Re: [MBZ] OT: Sumitomo bets on cold air to store power

Twinkle twinkle little star, power equals I squared R > -Original Message- > From: Dan> Penoff via Mercedes > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Sumitomo bets on cold air to store power > > If we’re talking mnemonics, here are some I learned for electrical stuff: > > “Virgins Are Rare” - Ohm’s

Re: [MBZ] OT: Sumitomo bets on cold air to store power

Killjoy!    ;>) But doncha know, Albore has rescinded the laws of physics  (so he can run scams to make money) Scott Ritchey via Mercedes February 26, 2020 at 11:17 PM Second and third laws of thermodynamics say not/

Re: [MBZ] OT: Sumitomo bets on cold air to store power

Second and third laws of thermodynamics say not/ > > ... It also will counteract global warming! > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] OT: Sumitomo bets on cold air to store power

"It is impossible to violate the laws of physics and common sense without government funding." Herr Mann .. Circa common era KALEB!   QUOTES PAGE! G Mann via Mercedes February 26, 2020 at 9:58 PM "It is impossible to violate the laws of physics and common sense

Re: [MBZ] OT: Sumitomo bets on cold air to store power

"It is impossible to violate the laws of physics and common sense without government funding." Herr Mann .. Circa common era On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 8:42 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Good thinking! Send your proposal to all the remaining candidates to > see

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Re: [MBZ] was OT Stock Market - now cold homes

Remodel of the 1927 Seattle home in 1999 did not insulate the main floor, as that would have required damage to lathe and plaster. It did raise the second floor by 6” with sistered 2x12 and attendant insulation between floors for R-30 between stories. Upper story was removed and replaced with

Re: [MBZ] OT: Sumitomo bets on cold air to store power

Good thinking!  Send your proposal to all the remaining candidates to see which ones bite!  You can bet none of 'em has a clue about thermodynamics, so they are likely to go for it wholeheartedly! Some of the "pencil dust"  (quote from bahama tom) could blow our way to save more old MBs. Clay

Re: [MBZ] OT: Sumitomo bets on cold air to store power

But Jim, we could construct an almost perpetual energy machine. The excess heat from refrigeration gets dumped into a molten salt well, which powers transmission or something. Maybe it just pre-heats the solar tower stuff. There has got to be a way to make this all work. The Green New Rip

Re: [MBZ] OT: Sumitomo bets on cold air to store power

I just had an insight. Rare event The folks in Iceland use geothermal power and steam to heat their homes and cities. With global climate change, this super freezing rig would be a great way to pipe conditioned air into homes and business’ and better regulate temperatures in grow houses so

Re: [MBZ] OT: Sumitomo bets on cold air to store power

All it would take is a Summer’s Breeze. clay > On Feb 26, 2020, at 7:50 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > >> cooling air to minus 321 Fahrenheit (minus 196 Celsius) and then >> powering turbines with it as it warms and expands > > Where does the energy come from to warm the

Re: [MBZ] The mother of all travel trips

pretty soon you will accrue enough air miles to get bumps to first class. Just image, your own potty for the select few. Burritos and Tacos all around!!! clay > On Feb 25, 2020, at 6:39 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > So I was told the week after next they want me to go

Re: [MBZ] Action Required!

Keep going Max. Knock em out. Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 9:36 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > > "Amazon prime membership suspended. Update your credit card information > here. This email send from trusted sender." > > Yeah right... How do I send an email bomb? Maybe

[MBZ] Action Required!

"Amazon prime membership suspended. Update your credit card information here. This email send from trusted sender." Yeah right... How do I send an email bomb? Maybe start a go fund me page to hire a hacker to encrypt their data... Max Dillon Charleston SC

Re: [MBZ] OT Stock Market

Big advantage of my solar panels is that they protect the roof by absorbing all the sun's rays. On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 6:39 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Agreed. The house we built here in 1996 did not have adequate attic > ventilation, and as a result the roof

Re: [MBZ] OT: Sumitomo bets on cold air to store power

On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 18:58:11 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: > If we’re talking mnemonics, here are some I learned for electrical > stuff: > ELI the ICE man - Inductance (L) - E is ahead of I, Capacitive (C) - I > is ahead of E I still use this one at times ... Craig

Re: [MBZ] OT: Sumitomo bets on cold air to store power

If we’re talking mnemonics, here are some I learned for electrical stuff: “Virgins Are Rare” - Ohm’s Law (V = A x R) The “A” is really “I”, but this was helpful. ELI the ICE man - Inductance (L) - E is ahead of I, Capacitive (C) - I is ahead of E -D > On Feb 26, 2020, at 6:48 PM, Jim

Re: [MBZ] OT: Sumitomo bets on cold air to store power

My other favorite whimsical mnemonic is Richardson's: > Big whirls have little whirls, > That feed on their velocity; > And little whirls have lesser whirls, > And so on to viscosity. a play on De Morgan's rhyme: > Great fleas have little fleas upon their backs to bite 'em, > And little fleas

Re: [MBZ] Opium Dreams

there was a similar kit car, but the Excalibur was factory built in Milwaukee.    Big chevrolet v8s.   Some with big cams, some built to normal spec. fmiser via Mercedes February 26, 2020 at 5:24 PM I know "Excalibur" to be a kit car. Fancy fiberglass body on

Re: [MBZ] Opium Dreams

I like to think of Excalibers as an old (classic) Mercedes that Liberace designed, less the candelabra. -D > On Feb 26, 2020, at 6:29 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > Excalibur cars were built in Milwaukee by Brooks Stevens. They were modeled > on the Mercedes Benz SS and SSK,

Re: [MBZ] OT Stock Market

Agreed. The house we built here in 1996 did not have adequate attic ventilation, and as a result the roof had a considerably shorter life. We had neighbors replacing roofs at 10-12 years. I was out of the house by then, but when I moved back down here one of the first things I did was calculate

Re: [MBZ] OT Stock Market

> Spraying insulating foam on the back (underside) of the roof. Not a good idea, IMHO. The underside of the roof needs cooling in order to keep the life of the roofing material itself from being compromised. The attic space is supposed to be the DMZ. -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] OT: Sumitomo bets on cold air to store power

On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 09:33:50 -0800 Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: > Don't forget that supercooling air also heats something else. > This is just a heat pump system. All the heat you'd need later, > plus some, is 'stored' in the environment. (Minus whatever might > escape off the earth by

Re: [MBZ] Opium Dreams

Excalibur cars were built in Milwaukee by Brooks Stevens.  They were modeled on the Mercedes Benz SS and SSK, thus the Mercedes reference.   Engine/drive train was Detriot big iron.  Think fiberglass kit car, but enlarged and factory built. http://www.excaliburclassics.com After Mr. Stevens

Re: [MBZ] Opium Dreams

> > Floyd Thursby wrote: > > > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/483272065699429/ > > > > 1966 Mercedes-Benz Excalibur > > North Charleston, SC· 6 days ago > > > > $44,000 > Craig wrote: > > So what is a 1966 Mercedes-Benz Excalibur? I don't recall they > had any models by that name

Re: [MBZ] The mother of all travel trips

Google *Norfolk International Airport*(NIA) is the closest airport serving northeastern North Carolina and the Outer Banks.*Norfolk International Airport*is located 60 miles from Kitty Hawk, N.C. RB On 26/02/2020 4:17 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 19:39:50 -0800 Kaleb

Re: [MBZ] Opium Dreams

On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 11:55:58 -0500 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/483272065699429/ > > 1966 Mercedes-Benz Excalibur > North Charleston, SC· 6 days ago > · > > >

Re: [MBZ] The mother of all travel trips

On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 19:39:50 -0800 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > So I was told the week after next they want me to go visit some dealers > that are part of a large dealer group. I was told they were out in > California. Today I was told what stores. It’s 3 stores. Once is in San >

Re: [MBZ] OT: Sumitomo bets on cold air to store power

> Allan wrote: > > > cooling air to minus 321 Fahrenheit (minus 196 Celsius) and > > then powering turbines with it as it warms and expands > > Where does the energy come from to warm the cold/liquified air? The atmosphere (DOH!) It also will counteract global warming!

Re: [MBZ] OT Stock Market

Absolutely. I’ve lived in the GWN so I know all too well about excess humidity in a house with a tight envelope. The house we built in Wisconsin had an air to air heat exchanger for just that reason. I would still do it on the ceiling/attic surface no matter what, as that’s an area where you’re

Re: [MBZ] OT Stock Market

On 26/02/2020 2:47 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: When I was researching energy saving enhancements to my house a few years ago this came up. Spraying insulating foam on the back (underside) of the roof. Only problem is that it’s difficult to do it once the house is built out. I did the

Re: [MBZ] OT Stock Market

When I was researching energy saving enhancements to my house a few years ago this came up. Spraying insulating foam on the back (underside) of the roof. Only problem is that it’s difficult to do it once the house is built out. I did the numbers and the payback wasn’t worth it. I’ve discussed

Re: [MBZ] Custom paint copied from the Mercedes Maybach 2 tone

On 26/02/2020 12:47 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: If I get this white $500E300 running I should repaint it like that, maybe blue/blue like this one, not silver over whatever that color is https://www.carscoops.com/2018/02/mercedes-luxes-maybach-s-class-even-2019/ --FT Blue would

Re: [MBZ] OT Stock Market

On 26/02/2020 12:09 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: One of the best things i've come across for making a building energy efficient is a thin layer of insulating foam sprayed on, then added fiberglass or stabilized cellulose in the remaining space. Seals out bugs, generally mice, drafts,

Re: [MBZ] Custom paint copied from the Mercedes Maybach 2 tone

If I get this white $500E300 running I should repaint it like that, maybe blue/blue like this one, not silver over whatever that color is https://www.carscoops.com/2018/02/mercedes-luxes-maybach-s-class-even-2019/ --FT On 2/26/20 12:13 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: If they had been a

Re: [MBZ] This is the one Andrew needs

Pass, but keep trying. What about that R class you were going to inspect? On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:10 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Fly down with some cash, tools, and part, fix it in the driveway and > drive it home > >

Re: [MBZ] Opium Dreams

Catch-22: If I buy the car I can't afford a chauffeur. On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:04 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Andrew needs that one. > > RB > > On 26/02/2020 10:55 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: > >

Re: [MBZ] OT Stock Market

One of the best things i've come across for making a building energy efficient is a thin layer of insulating foam sprayed on, then added fiberglass or stabilized cellulose in the remaining space.  Seals out bugs, generally mice, drafts, etc and also makes a vapor barrier.  Also good sprayed on

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Has issues, but is currently selling for peanuts. I see messages from Jamie Kop, although not sure if he's a serious bidder. The gray-beige/brown color combo is stunning IMO.

Re: [MBZ] OT: Sumitomo bets on cold air to store power

> Thats why its a storage device not a net generator. Well, really they're ALL just storage devices. Many politicians operate on the flawed principle that they are 'generating' tax revenue. Most of them are really only figuring out ways to raid the pockets of others, rather than actually

Re: [MBZ] OT Stock Market

On 25/02/2020 5:22 PM, Clay via Mercedes wrote: Anchorage homes for the most part have not been built recently enough to benefit from knowledge of proper arctic and cold weather techniques. Mostly standard 2x4 with fiberglass batting if any. On the plus side, the bettering of the climate

Re: [MBZ] OT: Sumitomo bets on cold air to store power

exactly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermodynamic_equations The behavior of a Thermodynamic system is summarized in the laws of Thermodynamics , which concisely are: * Zeroth

Re: [MBZ] OT: Sumitomo bets on cold air to store power

Curt Raymond writes: > Thats why its a storage device not a net generator. I mean, to be technically correct, cold is the absence of energy. The energy "storage" is the ambient environment outside of the cold air, which seems like very diffuse storage for something like utility-scale electrical

Re: [MBZ] OT: Sumitomo bets on cold air to store power

Thats why its a storage device not a net generator. I wondered that at first too. ;) -Curt On Wednesday, February 26, 2020, 11:51:42 AM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: > cooling air to minus 321 Fahrenheit (minus 196 Celsius) and then > powering turbines with it as it warms and

Re: [MBZ] OT: Sumitomo bets on cold air to store power

Don't forget that supercooling air also heats something else. This is just a heat pump system. All the heat you'd need later, plus some, is 'stored' in the environment. (Minus whatever might escape off the earth by radiation.) Regarding thermodynamics, which IS what is being talked about: The

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[MBZ] 400E looks decent, kinda high

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Sumitomo bets on cold air to store power

I'm no physicist, but it seems like a very indirect way to tap any of those sources. The idea seems to be: first, use (1), (2), or (3) to chill air to cryogenic temperatures. Then, use more of (1), (2), or (3) to warm it back up and then convert the expansion of the air to mechanical energy and

Re: [MBZ] OT: Sumitomo bets on cold air to store power

Promoting great alarm when it causes the "next ice age" But how does it get supercooled without major energy input? Meade Dillon via Mercedes February 26, 2020 at 11:06 AM Oops, mis-read your question. I think the warming happens when the liquefied air is exposed

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Re: [MBZ] Testing generator armature

The growler is, in effect, and inductance tester. It's looking for side-effects of shorted armature windings. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] OT: Sumitomo bets on cold air to store power

> Where does the energy come from to warm the cold/liquified air? There are only three possible answers, ultimately: 1) The sun (solar, wind, hydro, fuels); 2) _A_ sun (nuclear fission, geothermal); 3) Orbital mechanics (tidal). -- Jim ___

Re: [MBZ] Custom paint copied from the Mercedes Maybach 2 tone

If they had been a bit more subtle, it might not look so bad. Black and Dark Grey or maybe Grey and Silver, or even White and Cream so that the pattern is there but not so glaringly obvious. RB On 25/02/2020 2:05 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: De gustibus non es disputandum. Here

Re: [MBZ] OT: Sumitomo bets on cold air to store power

On 26/02/2020 11:06 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Oops, mis-read your question. I think the warming happens when the liquefied air is exposed to ambient temperatures, no energy input required. - Max Hey, when that happens, the earth will cool off and we can go back to

[MBZ] This is the one Andrew needs

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Sumitomo bets on cold air to store power

Oops, mis-read your question. I think the warming happens when the liquefied air is exposed to ambient temperatures, no energy input required. - Max Charleston SC On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:04 PM Meade Dillon wrote: > Unicorn farts? No, sorry, it comes from solar and wind power.

Re: [MBZ] Testing generator armature

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LCR_meter On 26/02/2020 9:24 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: No, Never heard of it, so I doubt I have one. But I did just remember the old trick that you can hook a generator up to a battery and it becomes a motor.   That would be a good test. Surely the

Re: [MBZ] OT: Sumitomo bets on cold air to store power

Unicorn farts? No, sorry, it comes from solar and wind power. This is to store excess energy which has lumpy production flow instead of smooth and steady like nukes or fossil fuels. - Max Charleston SC On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:51 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes <

Re: [MBZ] Opium Dreams

Andrew needs that one. RB On 26/02/2020 10:55 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/483272065699429/ 1966 Mercedes-Benz Excalibur North Charleston, SC· 6 days ago ·

Re: [MBZ] 1983 Mercedes-Benz 240d Manual 4 speed $2k, doesn't look too bad

“The aft passenger door is fitted with the most opulent, glass suspension mechanism the scrap bin can provide. No movement is ensured by its fierce wedging among the regulating mechanism. “ Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 26, 2020, at 10:50 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes > wrote: > > Is that

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Sumitomo bets on cold air to store power

> cooling air to minus 321 Fahrenheit (minus 196 Celsius) and then > powering turbines with it as it warms and expands Where does the energy come from to warm the cold/liquified air? Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] 1983 Mercedes-Benz 240d Manual 4 speed $2k, doesn't look too bad

Is that a special order from the Classic Center? --FT On 2/26/20 11:31 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: The dealer sells that lumber for $434.87 On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 5:52 AM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: An option Bob R Sent from my iPhone On

Re: [MBZ] OT: Sumitomo bets on cold air to store power

I would love to see the thermodynamic analysis of this --FT On 2/26/20 11:38 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Although intriguing, it sounds enormously inefficient. - Max Charleston SC On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:31 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com>

Re: [MBZ] OT: Sumitomo bets on cold air to store power

Although intriguing, it sounds enormously inefficient. - Max Charleston SC On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:31 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > ELECTRICITYJapanese machinery giant bets on cold air to store > powerPublished: > Wednesday, February 26, 2020

Re: [MBZ] 1983 Mercedes-Benz 240d Manual 4 speed $2k, doesn't look too bad

The dealer sells that lumber for $434.87 On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 5:52 AM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > An option > > Bob R > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Feb 25, 2020, at 10:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >

[MBZ] OT: Sumitomo bets on cold air to store power

ELECTRICITYJapanese machinery giant bets on cold air to store powerPublished: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 Sumitomo Heavy Industries Ltd. sees a future in super-cold air. The Tokyo-based industrial machinery giant invested $46 million in Highview Power, which stores electricity by cooling air

Re: [MBZ] Testing generator armature

yes, that too.  That much I know. These old generators are bringing $100 to $150 now, so I want to get them working and sold.   I tried selling them as cores a couple years ago for $25 but got no takers.   Cores now are going for $50. Rick Knoble via Mercedes

Re: [MBZ] Testing generator armature

I remember "back in the day", you had to polarize a generator before using it for the first time Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

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No,   Never heard of it, so I doubt I have one. But I did just remember the old trick that you can hook a generator up to a battery and it becomes a motor.   That would be a good test. Surely the youboobs or yesterdaystactor will have the how to for that.    Thanks Randy and Jim.  Randy's

Re: [MBZ] Testing generator armature

Well, every armature winding should have a fairly constant inductance. Got an RLC bridge? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

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Can you spin them up using an electric motor and see if they produce proper voltage?RBSent from my Galaxy Tab® A Original message From: Curley McLain via Mercedes Date: 2020-02-25 10:08 PM (GMT-06:00) To: Mercedes_Discussion_List Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>

[MBZ] OT The Worm Turns

NYT briefing this morning. Chinese young people not buying gummint propaganda. US warned to “get ready” U.S. is warned to get ready for coronavirus Federal health officials said on Tuesday that an outbreak in the U.S. was a question of when, not if, and urged hospitals, businesses and schools