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2019-10-26 Thread Clay Monroe via Mercedes
Randy, it might be a matter of apples and tangerines. There were a number of asian autos I have owned that I liked and gave good service. For some reason most of them were not held onto for overly long, being upgraded to fresher asian iron by SWMBA. This group likes the reliability of those b

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2019-10-25 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> I drove the truck about 150 miles at highway speeds with only 1 lug holding > on each of the driver's side wheels. The accepted/recommended practice is to pull a few from the other side, so that _all_ wheels have a reasonable number of lugs, and drive carefully until you can get it up to the

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2019-10-25 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 08:18:46 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: > I sent ya off for research, huh?  Good job! Thank you. What all this shows is the Gilbreths were interested in making things more efficiently and faster. What Deming was interested in was making quality things. All the dif

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2019-10-25 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
Not all lug bolts are junk. You might recall my story of a year or more back relating to my 2013 F150 Supercrew. Someone removed all of the lug nuts on one side of the truck except for the locking lug nuts. I guess trying to steal the wheels and tires. They did not get the locking lugs off but

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2019-10-25 Thread Dan--- via Mercedes
I am not a brand snob by any sense. I’ve owned several Asian cars (Nissan, Mazda) and been quite pleased with them and would not hesitate to buy another should the need for a basic, “gas and go” reliable low maintenance surface. Our 2005 Mazda 6 went 160k in around 10 years time. Other than a co

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2019-10-25 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
I know many of you are not fond of Asian cars, but I have to defend them somewhat. We have a 2007 Honda Accord that has served us very well so far. It is my wife's car and she drives it hard. We acquired it a year old in 2008 with 23K miles on it and it now has about 80K miles on it - almost al

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2019-10-25 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
At my Wallyworld, they aren't necessarily the sharpest tools in the shed. Let's say your torque spec is 90 ft-lb. They get out the rattle wrench and the 90 ft-lb springy socket. They don't know or care if the wrench is more powerful than the torque limiter was made for. They hammer the lugs down

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2019-10-25 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
What sold me on German machinery is the "crack" noise of the high quality DIN bolt when you loosen it.  I had just worked on a stinking hondog 305 engine, is which every phillips bolt was soft, rounded off or broke.    I don't believe the ISO bolts forced on the Germans by the frogs are as good

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2019-10-25 Thread Dan--- via Mercedes
My tire guys use a torque wrench *and* a second tech to verify the torque, both of which sign off on the work order. -D > On Oct 25, 2019, at 9:14 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > THeisen's farm store uses the torque wrench, and I have seen them look up the > spec. Once in Wally

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2019-10-25 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
I sent ya off for research, huh?  Good job! BTW the book "12 is Enough" is entertaining.  It is about the Gilbreth family. Craig via Mercedes wrote on 10/24/19 10:36 PM: On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 20:46:43 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: Q: Why are many of the US built wretched ricebox ca

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2019-10-25 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
THeisen's farm store uses the torque wrench, and I have seen them look up the spec.   Once in Wallyland, I think maybe the one up in Mitch's part of the world, i saw them use a torque wrench. Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote on 10/24/19 10:25 PM: I recommended my favorite tire shop (and he p

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2019-10-24 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
I think the problem is more cultural than industrial. If the US loses it will be because leadership was not committed to win. In most regards the US equipment during WWII that was qualitatively inferior to allies and the axis powers. But the rate of US WWII production is astounding: a new Lib

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2019-10-24 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
Peter Frederick via Mercedes writes: > Speaking of junk, a friend of mine had the wheel fall off of his 07 Pontiac > G6 (same as a Chebbie Malibu, a car I destest) the other day. Lug bolts. all > 5, broke off. In the nearly 50 years I've been driving and paying attention > to cars, I've neve

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2019-10-24 Thread Clay Monroe via Mercedes
The US will lose the next war because we no longer have the industrial infrastructure to supply the arms required. This came to me as I was walking the dog the other day and seeing the 40 year old homes in the neighborhoods rotting away. Low cost, slap dash construction with T1-11 and no under

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2019-10-24 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 20:51:08 -0500 Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote: > Seems this isn't at all uncommon, all the parts places stock > replacement lug studs! How did we unlearn how to make decent lug > studs? Could it be counterfeit bolts which do not meet spec? There was a great emphasis on l

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2019-10-24 Thread Clay Monroe via Mercedes
The appliances are not cheap. The things are expensive, do not remain reliable and functional for very long and do not repair. That is idiocy. But it does keep the factories churning out consumer goods. Except not our factories. Alaska is a small town. No way for economy of scale, so the co

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2019-10-24 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 20:46:43 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: > Q: Why are many of the US built wretched ricebox cars better > built/reliable than American iron and the Alabama spawn of of DBAG? > > A:  Because W Edwards Deming was asked by the Japanese to help them > build better produc

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2019-10-24 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
I recommended my favorite tire shop (and he plans to replace all the studs on the front, both sides). I've been using my tire place for about 20 years now, putting tires on four cars on a regular basis, so does my brother -- they know us by name now. Firestone dealer, although they will get an

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2019-10-24 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Methinks the bolts are pretty much the same, (hardened)  but now the tar monkeys all want the 1000 ft/lb rattle renches.   no bolt made for 40-80 ft/lb will stand up to that. Just another good reason to never let the tarshop monkeys put a wheel on your car! One of my monkeys  a few years ago

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2019-10-24 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
The main problem is that the electronics are not cheap, and the only way to keep the vehicles affordable for the masses is to reduce the overall build quality. Gonna be a problem now that the average car loan is 5 years -- I'm not sure most modern vehicles are still going to be running at 5 ye

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2019-10-24 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Q: Why are many of the US built wretched ricebox cars better built/reliable than American iron and the Alabama spawn of of DBAG? A:  Because W Edwards Deming was asked by the Japanese to help them build better products.  He taught them well.  He also taught the Americans during WWII.  After th

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2019-10-24 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
It's like anything else. Appliances come to mind. Things that were once considered "durable goods" are now considered to be consumables. You buy them (probably on credit), use them until they break (probably shortly after the financing is paid off), then repeat. When a consumer is willing to repla

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2019-10-24 Thread Clay Monroe via Mercedes
Why are many of the US built wretched ricebox cars better built/reliable than American iron and the Alabama spawn of of DBAG? During the extensive searching for a replacement for the elderly cheep grand crumpet I am finding the selection of higher end lines to be the same prastic and overly c

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2019-10-23 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
I like that term: wretched ricebox Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote on 10/23/19 7:06 PM: why are people so keen to go into debt on depreciating assets? Fear, and/or pride. Various proportions. The Mad Men should be proud... Works in our favor, because it makes an older Mercedes very afforda