Dan Penoff via Mercedes writes:
> I really like the electric fan. Makes so much more room in the engine
> compartment.
The downside is that they can and do fail. They are working in one of
the hottest parts of the engine bay. I don't know about MB fans but this
was a weak point when I owned a
I also believe 2000 was the first year that ESP was standard in the
210.1999
A non-ESP 210, even 4Matic, is tail-happy when you hit the throttle in
the snow.
I used to practice powersliding my 1999 wagon in a parking lot in early
snows every year.
I could usually catch the slide without lifting
I *think* the facelift (2000-2002, 2003 for the wagon) cars have additional
structural rigidity, or something related to the safety of the passengers.
Couldn't stop myself. Quote from the '99 crash test. "Additional structural
changes were made beginning with the 2000 E class models
I think the lack of an engine driven fan is what threw me off. I thought that
was one of the indicators of a facelift car. Now I know better. Thanks!
I’m thinking about making the guy an offer of maybe $2600 and seeing what his
reaction is. It still listed today, so I don’t think he’s had any
The 99 will not have steering wheel controls, that started in 00 with the
facelift models. Every year from 96-99 was just a little bit different then the
facelift models were pretty much the same till the end of the run.
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> On Oct 10, 2020, at 7:22 PM, Dan Penoff via
Good to know. I couldn’t figure out how this would be the case. I’ll have to go
back and look at pictures for the steering wheel - I could have been confusing
it with the 2001 I looked at today.
I really like the electric fan. Makes so much more room in the engine
compartment.
-D
> On Oct
The 99 in the link below is not a facelift car. The electric engine fan started
99 pre facelift.
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> On Oct 10, 2020, at 6:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> I would add that the 99 model was facelift car, so it’s got the newer stuff
> in the cabin and things
This is a 99 model year, but it’s definitely a facelift model as it has all the
stuff. I don’t know when the change took place exactly.
Delivery date was 10-5-98, “approximate” build date was October as well
according to the data card.
Steering wheel control buttons, door mirror turn signal
On 2020-10-10 19:06, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
I would add that the 99 model was facelift car, so it’s got the newer
stuff in the cabin and things like electric cooling fan instead of the
engine driven one.
I thought the main facelifts were
1998: optional 4matic, optional ESP.
2000:
I would add that the 99 model was facelift car, so it’s got the newer stuff in
the cabin and things like electric cooling fan instead of the engine driven one.
-D
> On Oct 10, 2020, at 5:39 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> Nope. Most dealers won’t let an owner see the VMI, short of
Yeah, I know, but I’m not looking for a project, I’m looking for something with
lower miles that needs a good Martha’ing and some basic maintenance and be
ready to make a 1200 mile trip without incident. I don’t need to shuttle a car
until the end of November, but if I get something now I can
Nope. Most dealers won’t let an owner see the VMI, short of maybe letting them
look at it on the computer screen. I have a source for them that emails them to
me. I just haven’t had a chance to get them the information. I might still get
it today, if not, Monday for sure.
We’ll see. I’m still
They first one looks decent, would likely be reasonable at $2800 though it
would pain me to pay that much!
--FT
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> On Oct 10, 2020, at 4:31 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> Went looking at a couple of W210s sedans with 4Matic,
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Can just the owner order a VMI?
$2800 is close enough to asking price so you will probably succeed.
On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 4:31 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> Went looking at a couple of W210s sedans with 4Matic, not something that’s
> common around here.
>
>
Went looking at a couple of W210s sedans with 4Matic, not something that’s
common around here.
First one:
https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/d/valrico-1999-mercedes-benz-e320-4matic/7207020887.html
Probably not what you are looking for. Only one here
clay monroe
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> On Nov 19, 2018, at 1:57 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> Not sure if I mentioned this, so if I did please excuse me and delete.
>
> I am now full-bore back into a search for a Ponton,
GLWT Search!
-
Max
Charleston SC
On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 4:58 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> Not sure if I mentioned this, so if I did please excuse me and delete.
>
> I am now full-bore back into a search for a Ponton, W110/W111/W108.
>
> W110/W111,
You know, Don, I wouldn’t be against that, The thing that is holding me back
is having a place to do it. I just don’t have a space where I could have a
vehicle out of service and carved up. I will seriously consider taking some
metalworking classes at the local vo-tech school when retirement
Don says:
>I think now is the time to expand your skill >set and learn new skills -
>body work. Welding if fun. Grinding is also >fun - that shower of sparks!
>Learning new things keeps you young . . .
Meh. He doesn't have acreage or an airplane hangar. He has an HOA, that he
fortunately
I think now is the time to expand your skill set and learn new skills -
body work. Welding if fun. Grinding is also fun - that shower of sparks!
Learning new things keeps you young . . .
On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 3:58 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> Not sure if I
Not sure if I mentioned this, so if I did please excuse me and delete.
I am now full-bore back into a search for a Ponton, W110/W111/W108.
W110/W111, gas/diesel, auto/manual. If I had the perfect car it would be a 230S
(67/68) with AC, but second choice would be any model year W110/W111 diesel
the '83 240D by the end of this year...
-Curt
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I still it's best to buy the cheapest daily driver
, April 01, 2015 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] The Search Continues
It just keeps getting better
The guy with the granny car that had the trashed exterior and rusty door
bottom emails me tonight asking if I'll give him $5k for the car as-is.
This is after he turns down an offer
As long as your executor describes things truthfully, you've got nothing to
worry about...
Dan
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Remind me not to invite Dan to my personal estate sale.
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True story - A man attended his own funeral!
Unfortunately, he was not alive to enjoy it.
On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 1:12 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
As long as your executor describes things truthfully, you've got nothing
to worry about...
Dan
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On Apr 2, 2015,
engine is cleaned but then not properly treated with a preservative
coating as called for in the maintenance manual.
-Max
My favorite preservative is diesel fuel and motor oil
(only half kidding)
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I think that concrete will pass a fair amount of moisture, which is going
to contribute to corrosion in general.
I find that the aluminum engine parts on my MB's corrode, and they are not
exposed to salted winter roads or even salt air. My bet is that happens
when an engine is cleaned but then
Any number of places.
I'll usually look at Kelley, NADA and Edmunds to start. After a few weeks of
watching the market you can get a pretty good idea of the value ranges based on
how people are advertising, too.
Right now I would say that around here a really nice W140 with low miles is
going
Craig wrote:
Aluminum engine parts being corroded comes from winter driving on
salted roads, not from being parked on a concrete slab.
Parking on grass and letting the snow pile up around them is far worse than
parking on concrete with air under them. Grass is probably worse than letting
That it may, but I have direct experience with cars being stored in an unheated
area in temperate climates that had corrosion on aluminum parts due to
condensation from the concrete. None of them were driven on roads when salt
was present.
As the slab heats and cools along with the ambient
Which half?
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 8:57 AM, Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
engine is cleaned but then not properly treated with a preservative
coating as called for in the maintenance manual.
-Max
My favorite preservative is diesel fuel and motor oil
(only half kidding)
Maybe I should buy it for 2k. You are mean.
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On Apr 1, 2015, at 10:00 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
It just keeps getting better
The guy with the granny car that had the trashed exterior and rusty door
bottom emails me tonight asking if I'll give him $5k
It just keeps getting better
The guy with the granny car that had the trashed exterior and rusty door bottom
emails me tonight asking if I'll give him $5k for the car as-is. This is after
he turns down an offer for $5k yesterday before I saw it, or so he says.
This is the ad for
It just keeps getting better
The guy with the granny car that had the trashed exterior and rusty
door bottom emails me tonight asking if I'll give him $5k for the
car as-is. This is after he turns down an offer for $5k yesterday
before I saw it, or so he says.
This is the ad for
I think I'd hafta let 'im find another buyer.
Wilton
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Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 11:00 PM
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It just keeps getting better
The guy
On 01/04/2015 6:19 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:
That it may, but I have direct experience with cars being stored in an unheated
area in temperate climates that had corrosion on aluminum parts due to
condensation from the concrete. None of them were driven on roads when salt
was present.
As the
On Tue, 31 Mar 2015 21:25:30 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
However, when I looked under the hood I could immediately tell the car
had sat for long periods on a concrete slab. The aluminum parts on the
engine were badly corroded.
Aluminum engine parts being corroded comes from
Where do you get the value ranges?
Thanks,
Gerry
All things being equal, if I had a choice of a 1996 S320 with 103k, three
owner, well serviced and a 1998 S420 with 61k, one owner, dealer serviced,
I'll buy the S420.
They're both in the high $5k value range, and both are asking $6500 or
Murphy strikes again. I thought this one might be THE ONE!
Thanks!
Just got done looking at it. Cosmetics were rough, passenger door
had lots of rust underneath. Owner didn't even know it.
The search continues
Dan
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when using CL: Screen shot any ads you're interested in.
Don't most browsers have a Save As... command? Takes up a lot less
disk space than a bitmapped image. I routinely do this when buying
cars or instruments, that way I can retrieve the description and
photos for future reference.
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I am trying to change the outcome of that quote. I have to keep my investment
in the 300D under $500 to qualify for LeMons.
clay
On Mar 31, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Dwight Giles wrote:
As used to be repeated on this list, nothing as expensive as a cheap
Mercedes. Good luck on the 420 Dan.
On
Me too.
Unfortunately, when a seller completely fails to mention the rattlecan paint
job on the right rear quarter it's tough to know...
First impressions weren't bad, it had some dings and parking lot wounds that
weren't deal killers. However, when I looked under the hood I could
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Absolutely.
I learned a long, long time ago that it's far better to pay the money up
front and buy the best car possible than buying something cheaper
So are you buying it?
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On Mar 31, 2015, at 1:54 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
The guy with the S320 I looked at Saturday called me.
I called out the diagnosis on his car correctly - it had a transmission
cooler leak, and the mechanic was too lazy to clean out
The guy with the S320 I looked at Saturday called me.
I called out the diagnosis on his car correctly - it had a transmission cooler
leak, and the mechanic was too lazy to clean out or replace the coolant
reservoir.
They're flushing the system today and replacing the reservoir. At their
So are you buying it?
N. Still kickin tires.
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Going to look at the Granny car this evening. One owner, 61k, dealer
maintained. The seller (Granny's son, I believe) just told me he turned down a
$5k offer (he's asking $6500).
Good. Now I know where I need to be if I'm interested.
Dan
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On Mar 28, 2015, at 10:14 PM, Kaleb
It's a 1998 S420.
Dan
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On Mar 31, 2015, at 1:26 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
Going to look at the Granny car this evening. One owner, 61k, dealer
maintained. The seller (Granny's son, I believe) just told me he turned down
a $5k offer (he's asking $6500).
ISO The holy grail.
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So are you buying it?
N. Still kickin tires.
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Thanks!
Just got done looking at it. Cosmetics were rough, passenger door had lots of
rust underneath. Owner didn't even know it.
The search continues
Dan
On Mar 31, 2015, at 6:58 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com wrote:
As used to be repeated on this list, nothing as expensive
Absolutely.
I learned a long, long time ago that it's far better to pay the money up front
and buy the best car possible than buying something cheaper and having to deal
with fix-up/clean-up.
Hopefully tonight's car will be the one.
The S320 from this weekend was nice, but the guy isn't
Of course; me, too on the 420. 'Hope it goes well.
Wilt
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Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 4:52 PM
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Absolutely.
I learned a long, long
As used to be repeated on this list, nothing as expensive as a cheap
Mercedes. Good luck on the 420 Dan.
On Mar 31, 2015 4:53 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
Absolutely.
I learned a long, long time ago that it's far better to pay the money up
front and buy the best car possible than
But it seems to be getting better, thank goodness.
Looked at this 1996 S320 today:
http://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/cto/4947867972.html
Been chasing this guy for a week. He just reposted the ad a few days ago and
raised the price $400 - it had been up for over a month at $6400. I suspected
And in far poorer condition, too.
Kaleb, you might be able to comment on something I came across the other day
A guy in Sarasota has been advertising an S500. It's listed as a private sale.
I talk to him and he starts talking about how it's got an open title and
that he's selling it for
If they can reassign it, who's name would be on the bill of sale for the seller?
Dan
On Mar 28, 2015, at 9:30 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote:
That 420 that I posted looked pretty darn nice, had heated seats and only
119k if I recall for $4500. That 500 I posted was 800 if
That 96 420 I posted the other day was much cheaper than that.
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On Mar 28, 2015, at 5:59 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
But it seems to be getting better, thank goodness.
Looked at this 1996 S320 today:
http://tampa.craigslist.org/hdo/cto/4947867972.html
That 420 that I posted looked pretty darn nice, had heated seats and only 119k
if I recall for $4500. That 500 I posted was 800 if that's the one you were
thinking of.
If it's a dealer then yes they don't have to register it, they can reassign it
in the 1st or 2nd etc reassignment spot on the
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