Post the paypal acct where we should donate. I have a couple bucks sitting in
my paypal acct doing nothing.
On Aug 7, 2011, at 10:52 PM, Chad Rebuck wrote:
> Hello Holland,
>
> You have been gracious enough in the past to cover the charges for the
> a2-16v.com domain. I am getting the list
I have an '88 GTI w/ a 2.0 longblock, CIS-E and them really bad idle
problems, rough idle and it stalls @ every light as soon as you press the
clutch. I've read everything in the archives about fuel/air mixture and how
to set the idle. Along the way I managed to get a salvaged 1.8 longblock,
for pa
I bought my 88 GTI with a suspension kit installed. Not sure what make
either the springs or the shocks. It's lowered between 1" -1 1/2". It has
the 14" black BBS wheels and 185 /60's. The tires don't look like the right
size (I think they're too thin). The right rear blew out the other day (real
l
I recently bought a '88 GTI 16V with a blown head gasket. I replaced the
gasket in my garage with a lot of help from people like Dennis G. (I didn't
know about the list then) I was almost as happy as when my first son was
born when it started up and didn't seem to leak ! It hadn't leaked at all
exc
Speedvision is the only reason I have cable. I've never heard of anyone
broadcasting the WHOLE 24 hours of Le Mans, and it was great!
Is this a done deal?
What's going to happen to the Speedvision touring championship?
What am I going to do every other weekend?
Couldn't they just buy The Nashville
What can be done about an oil pressure light that comes on 10 min into
normal street driving and oil temp (around 200 F) between 2100 and 2900 rpm
and eventually will be on all the time under 3000 rpm at 215 F.
It doesn't seem to burn any oil and runs fine.
I was thinking of those miracle-run-the-e
Sorry if everyone's already heard this oneit was new to me and I thought
it was pretty funny.
Apparently a cat somehow got into a Mercedes on a showroom floor on a Friday
a couple of months ago. Unfortunately for the cat it had died of suffocation
over the weekend. Mercedes was surprised that,
I read a stat. a couple years ago that claimed that the Cherokee/Wagoneer
line accounted for 40% of Chryslers complaints/recalls/lemons. Just passin'
that along.
Another one way up on their unreliable chart has since proven to be a hell
of a concept, the AMC Eagle. Years ahead of AUDI or Subaru(who
What if any is the mod for removing the A/C compressor and rerouting the
belts, the hoses and condenser were never there, all I have is a very heavy
pulley that in turn drives the alternator.
Thanks,
Steve
I thought this might be of interest.
(I got an invitation in the mail, and am passing it along; not affiliated or
anything)
>From the mailer it sounds like auto cross run over a gravel course, it costs
$45 for SCCA members and $55 for non members. It's Aug.11 @ 9:30 am @ the
TEAM O'NEIL RALLY SCHOO
I thought this might be of interest.
(I got an invitation in the mail, and am passing it along; not affiliated or
anything)
>From the mailer it sounds like auto cross run over a gravel course, it costs
$45 for SCCA members and $55 for non members. It's Aug.11 @ 9:30 am @ the
TEAM O'NEIL RALLY SCHOO
Does anyone have the original owner's manual? A lot of questions I've seen
posted are probably answered in it. Mark's question is a perfect example.
I'm sure someone out there could scan it and post it as a .pdf or something.
My latest question is; are the rear seats supposed to fold flat or do t
Does it actually do anything? My 2.0 didn't have it when I bought it. Should
I install it? The engine shakes a lot when it idles and it shifts pretty
hard but I'm pretty sure I don't have the hydraulic (front) mount. Also can
the rubber engine mount go bad?
TIA
Steve
It won't work without a serial #. I did the same thing. Anyone have a
bentley serial # out there?
TIA
-Original Message-
From: owner-a2_...@connecticom.com [mailto:owner-a2_...@connecticom.com]On
Behalf Of Francesco - FONTA RACING
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 9:59 AM
To: volkswagen
Subject
I can barely fit my hand between the tire and the fender, I bought the car
with the kit installed (all I know is that the springs are Neuspeed) I think
taking off the spoiler is a good idea. What other precautions are normally
taken for winter in the northeast? I know that the 195/55's are next to
Don't know about the 8V but the 2.0 Motronic ('90-'92) is the exact same
body but it opens both valves at the same time whereas the 1.8 opens in 2
stages. The 1.8 has 2 throttle position switches, full throttle and idle;
the 2.0 has an idle switch and a variable resistor (potentiometer) for
throttl
If you really want to kill them, I know some guys who know some guys.
-Original Message-
From: owner-a2_...@connecticom.com
[mailto:owner-a2_...@connecticom.com]On Behalf Of Patrick Austin
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 8:04 PM
To: a2_...@connecticom.com
Subject: Update2:
Okay, correc
Any info on buying/installing aftermarket gauges would help.
I had in mind:
VDO Vision gauges (opinions?) oil pressure 80 psi, later I'd add an amp
gauge and possibly voltmeter( if it fits)
What I don't have any info on is what sender to use, buy one? which? use the
existing? is the existing just
t
manifold).
Good luck,
James Blumenfeld
87 GTI 16v
PS- Race and rally pix at:
http://briefcase.yahoo.com/w1jim
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 11:48:41 -0400
From: "Steven Arguello"
Subject: VDO Gauges
Thi
Not much help, except for moral support.
But my car does the same thing,
every time my wife gets in it everything that can, does go wrong.
Good luck.
Steve
-Original Message-
From: owner-a2_...@connecticom.com
[mailto:owner-a2_...@connecticom.com]On Behalf Of David Krzak
Sent: Monday, Augu
What about that test harness I've seen on some #1 plug wires?
-Original Message-
From: owner-a2_...@connecticom.com
[mailto:owner-a2_...@connecticom.com]On Behalf Of Ben Randolph
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 7:27 PM
To: a2_...@connecticom.com
Subject: Re: Broken Timing light
> From: "D
What are recommended brands and qualities? Is there any way to know what
size rotors you have other than measuring? Are there any differences between
1.8l and 2.0 brakes?
Thanks ,
Steve
Is there any cam that doesn't lessen low end hp and torque? I'm putting in a
1.8 while I fix my 2.0 and I've gotten use to the torque/hp. I want some
moderate hp gains but don't want to sacrifice driveability. I also plan to
eventually put this head on the 2.0 so that's another thing to consider.
I
but my GF's car
> >proves otherwise. It's one of those weird split year cars; big bumpers,
no
> >foglights, 1.8 motor, 9.4 brakes. It keeps me on my toes when shopping
for
> >parts.
> >As for pads, I like Mintex Red box, but everyone has there own opinions
> >ab
I'm not to worried about the brake and clutch, although they're a little to
far apart and slippery but the gas pedal seems very thin and set too far
back. What about adjusting the tension? It's low priority but now that I've
thought of it, I know it's going to bother me more and more. Any comments
i
(street car) and decrease the tension on the '87 GTi (ITA car).
--- Steven Arguello wrote:
> I'm not to worried about the brake and clutch, although they're a
> little to
> far apart and slippery but the gas pedal seems very thin and set
> too far
> back. What about
I did a lot of work in WTC #2 in the past five years luckily we lost that
account about a year ago.
>From down my street I used to be able to see the towers.
I figure it just got harder to hijack a plane, from now on to get control of
the plane they'll have to pretty much kill everyone on board bef
I woudn't call them ugly or at least not uglier than any other part of the
car.
At worst they're '80's and if you remember what people dressed like and wore
their hair I'd say they're not that bad.
Just my humble opinion.
Steve
-Original Message-
From: owner-a2_...@connecticom.com
[mailto:o
Could anyone who has installed one explain what (if any) fittings they used.
I haven't tried it yet but it looks very tight. I think I'd try to keep the
oil pressure switch, so I guess somewhere I'll need a T fitting.
Thanks
Steve
Can anyone tell me what differences there are between the CIS-E and
Motronic (1.8 and 2.0) injectors other than the threads. Does anyone know
why, if they're the same why did they thread them differently?
-Original Message-
From: owner-a2_...@connecticom.com
[mailto:owner-a2_...@connectic
-Original Message-
From: ranariv...@aol.com [mailto:ranariv...@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 6:14 AM
To: steven.argue...@worldnet.att.net
Subject: Re: 2.0
In a message dated 9/17/01 6:52:14 PM, steven.argue...@worldnet.att.net
writes:
<< Can anyone tell me what difference
Could whoever posted his URL for the page in which he shows how he did the
compressor removal repost it?
That message has been autoarchived to somewhere on my hard drive and I know
this is easier than tracking it down.
Thanks
Steve
I keep a 2lb(I think) fire extinguisher between the driver's seat and the
door, now, in a case like yours where would I point it at? If the fire's
behind the dash what good is spraying the outside of it?
Anyway, sorry about the car.
Steve
-Original Message-
From: owner-a2_...@connecticom.c
I know some of you have done this recently. I'm going to swap my dead 2.0
for my spare 1.8 I want to keep the 9A trans . I'm doing this in my garage
as soon as I sell the family SUV. Keeping in mind that it's dropped 1.5" and
I'll have uncomfortable, if any, access to underneath the car, my questio
Can anyone tell me the part # of a 1.8 CIS-E injector?
TIA
Steve
I swapped my spare 1.8 for my ran-it-w/o-oil 2.0 today. while I was there I
changed the bushings on the shift rod (more on that later), I started to
re-adjust the shift lever and went to see if I had actually selected a gear,
I could turn the rotor (the other wheel is on the ground) so, not in gear
Never heard of a 6K engine code. I just did the swap from a 2.0 to a 1.8(2.0
died) there are slight differences. I don't know what the manual says but
consensus on the list is that the 2.0 (Motronic) runs a higher fuel
pressure, the injectors open @ a higher pressure. If you run all CIS-E
component
Has anyone ever hooked up (or tried to) the cold start valve to the full
throttle switch? Does it or should it work?
Just wasting bandwidth.
Steve
Warmed up (oil temp 170) I'm idling @ 1500 rpm. What's the vaccum leak test
procedure other than to inspect all the intake hoses?
Steve
I wired the 2 inner (fog?) lights to a separate 2 position fog light switch,
the bulbs have only one intensity so the switch does nothing on the second
position. Since it's a little awkward feeling for that switch, my thought
was to wire the 1rst position to the high-beam output of the regular
head
After swapping out engine,tranny and axles a weak to medium vibration from
the front end got worse. Now it's a medium to strong. It used to start at
about 40-50 mph and get worse as I went faster. Then it was mostly a sound,
now you can feel it thought the steering wheel. Now it starts at 25 mph an
Thanks all for the info. I'm convinced i'ts at least the passenger axle, I'm
not sure if the vibration has killed the wheel bearing also. Does anyone
know about the vibration damper mentioned in Bentley chapter 5.2? It says it
comes on some models? Which? Does anyone think this might help? It doesn
Almost 100 hp per liter, reliable, normally aspirated, stock - all on an
overall soulless, clean cut commuter-mobile.
-Original Message-
From: owner-a2_...@connecticom.com
[mailto:owner-a2_...@connecticom.com]On Behalf Of Deutsch Sport Tuning
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:38 PM
To: ma
the fork has around an inch of free play, then it seems to bump up against a
stopper. well the stopper is where the clutch actually starts to release, I
dont think you can release it by hand. it goes to fully released in the next
1/4" of movement. I had the same problem till I checked a working tra
Most people here in Jersey only hotwire other people's cars.
I had a 20. ga ground break right around the coil and the same thing
happened only middle of winter/middle of nowhere/pitch dark/no flashlight.
That's probably a good addition to the GTI toolbox- 6'14 ga. wire alligator
clips on both si
I just replaced, in less than 10K miles the right rear pads. I thought I
had messed up adjusting the hand brake, so I loosened it till it no
longer does anything. Now after driving 1 mile the wheel is warm to the
touch. Other than replacing the caliper (If I do that, should I replace
both? ) Wh
Thanks, that's what I was looking for. It's an '88 and I did the 1st
part OK although I had to use major pressure to rotate the piston back,
I think I used a 12mm nut though. If I understood correctly the
handbrake mechanism is seizing & all I have to do is free it up some
how.
I'll just add it to
I have a "jammed" rear caliper. I got this out of the Benteley
Before running the engine or moving the car, pump the brake pedal at
least 40 times to reset the automatic adjustment of the rear calipers.
CAUTION-
Running the engine and providing vacuum boost to the brakes while
resetting the
The oil cooler is actualy sandwiched between the filter and the block.
It's on the same threaded pipe that the filter threads onto held on with
a thin nut. Overtightening the filter will compress the gasket between
the cooler and block. That gasket is about 1/8" thick, 3/8" wide and 2"
in diameter.
'88 GTi has a bad vibration in the front wheels, gets worse when you turn.
I've changed both axles, and the low-speed-turning part of the
vibration/noise went away. Now I'm pretty sure the front wheel bearings are
both bad.
What are my options?
What's the most cost-effective (cheapest) way to r
As far as I can tell, the labor you can save is not having to remove the 2
bolts that attach the carrier to the strut, the lower mount and the outer
axle have to be removed either way.
The Harbor Freight press, is just a press, can you use that to remove both
halves of the bearing? or do you need a
Different trannys/clutch disks have different size shaft/holes. Could you be
doing the old too big a shaft in too small a hole?? It should slide right in
w/a little jiggling.
Steve
-Original Message-
From: a2-16v-list-ad...@mail.a2-16v.com
[mailto:a2-16v-list-ad...@mail.a2-16v.com] On Beha
Need to adjust cable? Self-adjusting clutch cable?
I'm not affiliated but I've been to the one in 2002 and it was great. Check
out the entry list!!
http://rallynewyork.com/rnyusa04-entries.html
Good Luck All
Steve
Another consideration, the 16V trannies have a larger diameter splined
shaft, the thingy that goes into the clutch plate. Maybe it can handle more
torque? The PO of my A2 GTI had mated a 2.0 to an 8V tranny (I was told
off an 8v Jetta) it had the tall 5th but, it also had the 100mm flanges as
I
I'm considering using the GTI for rallycross. I can't do an all-out refit or
buy another car. So I have to babystep my way and since it's already dropped
1 1/2", step one is a skid plate. Has anyone fabricated one? Any ideas?
Thx
Steve
Is it worth it to rebuild a shortblock 2.0 that I ran w/out oil? (had the
oil changed @ JiffyLube 500miles after replacing the head gasket, the dude
over-tightened the oil filter and crushed the gasket between the oil cooler
and block. It let go after 20 min on the highway in pouring rain, oil
pr
The 2.0l Motronic throttle body has a position sensor (potentiometer)
Steve
On 8/10/05 12:01 AM, "Chad Rebuck" wrote:
> Decided today that I'd get rid of the stock fuel injection and go with a
> stand alone efi system. Ordered a couple items:
>
> http://www.rossmachineracing.com/16vfuelrail.h
Autozone; or most auto parts chains same price, lifetime warranty. I'm on my
3rd since removing the ac compressor.
Good Luck,
Steve
On 9/6/05 11:45 PM, "jlpawli...@aol.com" wrote:
> Does anyone have one available for sale that is in working order? I am afraid
> mine has seen the ghost. I am loc
I recently found a good 2.0 16V in a Passat. Looks just like the GTi's
They're asking $175. Is this a good deal? I noticed a hydraulic clutch, how
much modification would I need to get in a Gti?
It'd make a great winter project.
Steve
PS I have a 2.0 16V (I ran it w/out oil) that's just taking up
. If
> the recipient car is an 8V Digifant or CIS car, you will have to
> convert to
> either full Motronic or 1.8 16V CIS-E injection and ignition. Of
> course you could always go stand alone, like MegaSquirt, SDS, TECII
> or III, etc., as long as you don't have to pass e
>> Redline oil exclusively. It's in perfect condition. Neuspeed wants
>> $279.95 for it new, $200 and it's yours. I'll pay shipping.
>>
>> --Holland
>> h...@pacbell.net
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2005, at 14:28, Steven Arguello wrote:
>>
Maybe it's contagious; I now have the same problem. I hear one or both pumps
go on w/ignition and stop, can't tell if it's still on when it cranks and
the noise is a lot less than it used to make. I pulled an injector and it's
dry. Shouldn't something come out when cranking? To me it sounds like th
Anyone running a 2.0 w/stock CIS-E or have any input one way or another? The
PO had a 2.0 w/ a hacked Motronic/CIS-E hybrid and it ran like crap. Don't
have $$ to do anything fancy.
Thanks,
Steve
Thanks.
That makes sense. The 2.0 ran great @ 6k+, could barely idle. I guess cams
or anything done to better airflow would only make it worse (and better).
Steve
-Original Message-
From: a2-16v-list-ad...@mail.a2-16v.com
[mailto:a2-16v-list-ad...@mail.a2-16v.com] On Behalf Of makino...@a
Is the list still up?
Steve
On Jan 26, 2006, at 1:26 PM, Chad Rebuck wrote:
I have moved the list to a new computer so just making sure
everything is working. Anyone doing anything new with their 16v?
I might as well ask to get some emails flowing.
Later. Chad
___
While slowing down for a red light, the brake pedal went to the
firewall. I dropped a gear and snuck through and at the next light
the brakes were fine. Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Steve
10:57 PM, Galen Bergthold wrote:
If the brake fluid level is fine I would suspect the master
cylinder. My experience is that rhis only gets worse. Fortunately
this is easily fixed w/a new MC, and is a good opportunity to flush
all the old fluid out of your brake lines.
GBergthold
From: S
I've torn down the Passat 2.0 I picked up over the winter. Thinking
about a cam or set of cams and a new clutch. Will stock CIS-E be able
to deliver enough fuel? Which injectors do I use?
Steve
On Mar 21, 2006, at 12:15 AM, darner wrote:
I'm still on here, too. Car (89 GTi 16v) awaits new cl
found this @ adirondack
Rear caliper update kit. Updates your car to the lighter aluminum VW
Mk4 calipers. Kit includes all parts necessary for conversion.
Includes new left rear and right rear aluminum calipers, required
hydraulic hoses and banjo bolts. No additional parts or modifications
Sorry, my mail store broke and I lost my old emails... A while back
someone posted a mixed batch of parts for sale. Any of that still
around? I remember a rear wheel bearing and timing belt.
Thanks,
Steve
1. What other than change crank & intermediate shaft seals should I
do to the bottom end?
2. Anyone looking to sell a cam or set? I'm looking for as much top
end with a little loss of low end.
3. Can a stock CIS-E system provide enough fuel for a 2.0 w/cams?
Just by tweaking f/a mixture screw
Email me off-list please.
Thanks,
Steve
Wanted: Mid 80s VW for ITB racing. I'm ready to get started and would
like to find a car ready or close to it. Current log book and legal
for ITB inspection. Some updates or work needed would be fine. What I
need is a good starter car. Also looking for a trailer preferably
aluminum. Email i
I'm glad you're all back...
What differences are between Motronic and cis-e injectors? Which
should I use in a 9A w/stock cis-e? I have 4 of each.
Thanks.
Steve
My Gti is a little too ghetto for my northern NJ whitebread town. On a curvy
hilly backroad one town over I passed a cop coming the other way. He could only
have seen me for less than a couple of seconds. A mile down the road he pulls
me over. He says he had me doing 48 in a 35 zone (I was doing
Have the exact same problem -sort of on-going since dropping in the
2.0- but I have a new distributor and a new O2 sensor and coolant
temp values according to Bentley. I have the Bentley CD version and I
get lost in the fuel delivery section. I end up guessing. Cold
Running Enrichment, Cold
Could someone post photos of a clean/stock engine. I have hoses and
harnesses all over the place and don't really know where they go.
Thanks
Steve
TT Dynaflow exhaust got way too loud after running a gravel/sand road
rally. Shop said it wasn't leaking anywhere, just the tip broke off.
(I kept it) Put a new muffler in, still loud. I'm still adjusting
everything and haven't fully tightened the 2 clamps that hold the
muffler. It's quiet
I have the same problems! 1 mis-fire from idle (hasn't gone away
after 1500 miles) 2 No heat (need some help with that) 3 made it home
on parking lights- missing bolt on alternator support (fixed that)
How do you fix the flapper door? Bentley doesn't say much.
Are Digifant injectors the sa
to the full closed position so no heat is allowed into
the cabin on the cool setting.
From: Steven Arguello
To: Matthew Yip
CC: a2-16v-list@mail.a2-16v.com
Subject: Re: [a2-16v-list] Mis-fire from idle...
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:45:11 -0500
I have the same problems! 1 mis-fire from i
I think I haven't figured out how to see pictures online. Where did
they go?
Steve
On Apr 2, 2007, at 12:33 AM, Matthew Yip wrote:
I think I've figured some of this "posting pictures online" business
- here are some pictures of the finished wheel wells and the new
Nasty-Car style door bars.
My TT resonator is not doing anything...the exhaust is very loud only
inside the car (drove on the freeway for 1 1/2 hrs was temporarily
deaf for about 20 mins). What options are there? Can you swap the
resonator?
Thanks, Steve
Ongoing (year+) hesitating/misfire under load. Did all the tests in
the Bentley (again). DPR current 10.3mA no fluctuation. New O2
sensor, and I even tried putting the old one back. Before I buy a 3rd
sensor, I wanted to double check. How is the O2 sensor ground?
Through the pipe/manifold?
, 2007, at 9:44 PM, John S. Lagnese wrote:
If you unplug it the car should run richer and eliminate the
problem, if the problem is still there its most likely not the OXS.
John
- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Arguello"
To: "a2-16v"
Sent: Tuesday, September 04,
Oil temp 245 to 260 in traffic. 225 to 235 on the freeway. How can I
tell if the thermostat is opening?
It's been like this since putting in the 2.0. I remember the 1.8 ran
cooler, 225 in traffic never past 240.
I'm guessing the radiator's old.
Thanks,
Steve
The water pump had a bolt/lug sheared off flush to the block. My
extractor broke off in the hole I had drilled in the bolt. I ended up
drilling and tapping another smaller hole. I used gasket sealer and
didn't think it would hold. It has so far, but I effed up and put the
old pump and the o
The front non-hydraulic mount bracket broke. I haven't been able to
find a replacement (no longer available, convert to hydraulic). Does
anyone know where to find a bracket? I'm going to have it welded. Has
anyone had experience with a welded bracket?
Thanks,
Steve
the geometry. It'll probably last as long as the car.
http://www.mk2vr6.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1092
Lotsa Luck
Eric
85 GTI with VR6 Power
At 03:02 PM 11/11/2007, Steven Arguello wrote:
The front non-hydraulic mount bracket broke. I haven't been able to
find a replacemen
I couldn't find the archives but I bet this has been discussed
before. What ignition cables should I get? Plugs?
Steve
Blew the timing belt running the Pine Barrens Express night road rally
in South Jersey. As luck would have it, after hours of running through
cranberry bogs and backwoods dirt roads, the timing belt broke just as
we turned onto an asphalt road and we managed to coast into the
parking of the
I had a 740i too'cept it was a Volvo. Bought it with 180K miles
and the odo running less than half the time, odo went @ 220K. Sold a
couple years later still running strong. Best brakes ever.
Steve
Ugliest car I ever owned...Electronic speedo/odo and flaky wiring,
you'd honk the horn and the windshield wipers ran Anyway I killed
my last 2.0 because of messing with the cluster.
Steve
At one point I had 2 '88 GTi's, before getting rid of the 2nd one, I
stripped it. Now I have 2 of pretty much everything. 2 airboxes/fuel
distributors, 2 ecu's, 2 knock sensor cu's. Except only 1 knock sensor
and only 1 coolant temp sensor. I tried every combination of what I
have and never
I don't know if these are the correct part #s. If anyone can check
these (my spares) for me, thanks
Knock Sensor= 811 907 397 E
ECU= 811 906 264 F
I'm guessing that these are both CIS-E 1.8
I'll check the ones on the car as soon as my garage is above 50 deg.
Thanks again,
Steve
Which head gasket set should I get 1.8 or 2.0?
Steve
I would have thought that the 9A ECU would be very different from the
CIS-E, like say Motronic on it somewhere. I'm going to get everything
back to CIS-E. Right? I only have 1 harness and it's CIS-E. What's the
CIS-E airbox part number? Will stock CIS-E be able to put enough fuel
into the
The Bentley talks about a ground for the green O2 wire shield. Where
is it located? Is there a ground to the exhaust anywhere? (for the O2
sensor). How many grounds are there on the head? I bought my GTi with
a hacked hybrid CIS_E/Motronic set-up. They had a Motronic throttle
body, 2 wire i
I think I might have "cleaned that up". I just have a brown 12 going
to the head. Thanks
Steve
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