Re: [PHP-DEV] bundling libxml2 / bundling locations

> Now on Windows or similar systems, where the average user is not used to > system administration (witness the number of codered attacks still going > around), we can pack all these dependant binary libraries into the > installer. I'm not sure who builds the installer, but I know I could make >

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> On Fri, 31 May 2002, Zeev Suraski wrote: > > > >As Rasmus stated earlier the reason the MySQL stuff is bundled is due to > > >an assurance from the MySQL developers to keep it updated. > > > > I don't think such an assurance existed to begin with, and whether it > > existed or not, it definitely

Re: [PHP-DEV] bundling libxml2 / bundling locations

On Fri, 31 May 2002, Zeev Suraski wrote: > >As Rasmus stated earlier the reason the MySQL stuff is bundled is due to > >an assurance from the MySQL developers to keep it updated. > > I don't think such an assurance existed to begin with, and whether it > existed or not, it definitely wasn't the c

RE: [PHP-DEV] bundling libxml2 / bundling locations

uild process if necessary). -1 on the bundling idea. +1 for choice. +1 for binary bundling on Windows. Joseph > -Original Message- > From: Zeev Suraski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 11:05 AM > To: Dan Kalowsky > Cc: brad lafountain; PHP Developm

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At 11:39 PM 5/30/2002, Dan Kalowsky wrote: >On Thu, 30 May 2002, brad lafountain wrote: > > > I personally will take responsiblity for bundling and upgrading it. > >As Rasmus stated earlier the reason the MySQL stuff is bundled is due to >an assurance from the MySQL developers to keep it updated.

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At 07:08 PM 5/30/2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >On Thu, 30 May 2002, brad lafountain wrote: > > > The 2M size has alot of stuff that we wouldn't need. Im sure we can get it > > down to under 500K. > >I still think 500kb is too much for something the most ppl already have >installed. How do you

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At 07:16 PM 5/30/2002, Stig S. Bakken wrote: >On Thu, 2002-05-30 at 18:08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Thu, 30 May 2002, brad lafountain wrote: > > > > > The 2M size has alot of stuff that we wouldn't need. Im sure we can > get it > > > down to under 500K. > > > > I still think 500kb is too

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On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 02:03:40PM -0700, brad lafountain wrote: > We are only talking about a few cvs commands here! We aren't talking about a > huge effort. Any effort like this seems like duplicated effort to me. > I don't see bad merges a problem here. It's not like I would be applying > p

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> Months from now I honistly can't say what i'll be doing. For all I know i > could get hit by a car. I don't plan on ditching my contributions anytime soon. > But I don't see my contributions a factor in deciding if we should bundle > libxml. Exactly the unspoken point. While I'm not saying yo

Re: [PHP-DEV] bundling libxml2 / bundling locations

At 16:39 30/05/2002 -0400, Dan Kalowsky wrote: >On Thu, 30 May 2002, brad lafountain wrote: > > > I personally will take responsiblity for bundling and upgrading it. > >Brad, > >Nothing personal (so please don't take it that way), but in my opinion >this isn't a good enough assurance. Historicall

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--- Dan Kalowsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 30 May 2002, brad lafountain wrote: > > > I personally will take responsiblity for bundling and upgrading it. > > Brad, > > Nothing personal (so please don't take it that way), but in my opinion > this isn't a good enough assurance. Histor

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On Thu, 30 May 2002, brad lafountain wrote: > I personally will take responsiblity for bundling and upgrading it. Brad, Nothing personal (so please don't take it that way), but in my opinion this isn't a good enough assurance. Historically you will see people come and people go with Open Sourc

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In regards to download size, I took a look at other languages: perl 6mb source python 6mb source activeperl 8.5mb binary activepython 7mb source, binaries are larger activetcl 8.5mb I don't think the increase of a half mb in php source size is that big a deal, esp. for something as important as

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At 19:29 30.05.2002, brad lafountain wrote: >--- "Stig S. Bakken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, 2002-05-30 at 18:08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > On Thu, 30 May 2002, brad lafountain wrote: > > > > > > > The 2M size has alot of stuff that we wouldn't need. Im sure we > can get > > it

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Hi > I still would like to see it bundled. I do understand that libxml2 is being > developed regulary but since domxml does require a semi-new version of libxml2 > that most people don't have. I don't know when 2.4.14 was released but the date > on the file server is 2/8/2002. Thats pretty recen

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--- "Stig S. Bakken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2002-05-30 at 18:08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Thu, 30 May 2002, brad lafountain wrote: > > > > > The 2M size has alot of stuff that we wouldn't need. Im sure we can get > it > > > down to under 500K. > > > > I still think 500kb i

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>> lot I'd >> > be a +1. If it'd add 1 MB to our .tar.gz I would be against. >> >> THe normal source distribution is almost 2 MB... > > > In that case I'm against :) > > Andi xpat is 300K. If Brad can get it down to 500K, and we replace xpat, then we realy are not growing all that much. I'

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At 19:03 30/05/2002 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >On Thu, 30 May 2002, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > > > Except with MySQL we have a commitment from the MySQL developers > > themselves to maintain it and keep it current. > >Which they do very often, isn't it Zak ;) But there is a point, there is >muc

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On Thu, 30 May 2002, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: > Except with MySQL we have a commitment from the MySQL developers > themselves to maintain it and keep it current. Which they do very often, isn't it Zak ;) But there is a point, there is much more familiarity between MySQL and PHP then between the li

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At 08:46 30/05/2002 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >On Thu, 30 May 2002, Andi Gutmans wrote: > > > I think that XML is a core technology and giving plug&play access to our > > users is important. Having bundled the MySQL library made it easier for > > people to get started with MySQL. Does that m

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On Thu, 2002-05-30 at 18:08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Thu, 30 May 2002, brad lafountain wrote: > > > The 2M size has alot of stuff that we wouldn't need. Im sure we can get it > > down to under 500K. > > I still think 500kb is too much for something the most ppl already have > installed.

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On Thu, 2002-05-30 at 03:29, Yasuo Ohgaki wrote: > I think we can remove expat bundle now.) Think again :-) Expat has been bundled for ages, and IMHO we should not drop it unless we have another bundled xml library and ext/xml can use that instead. - Stig -- PHP Development Mailing List

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> We bundle mysql for the very same reason Brad wants to bundle libxml2. Except with MySQL we have a commitment from the MySQL developers themselves to maintain it and keep it current. -Rasmus -- PHP Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsu

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On Thu, 2002-05-30 at 02:04, Markus Fischer wrote: > On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 08:12:27AM +0900, Yasuo Ohgaki wrote : > > Brad Lafountain wrote: > > >Ok, > > > > > > But take ext/domxml it requires a newerversion of libxml2. I didn't have > > > it > > >installed on my machine when i installed php

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On Thu, 30 May 2002, brad lafountain wrote: > The 2M size has alot of stuff that we wouldn't need. Im sure we can get it > down to under 500K. I still think 500kb is too much for something the most ppl already have installed. Derick ---

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--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Thu, 30 May 2002, Andi Gutmans wrote: > > > I think that XML is a core technology and giving plug&play access to our > > users is important. Having bundled the MySQL library made it easier for > > people to get started with MySQL. Does that mean I think every

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > The libxml project provides their own RPMs, so building them yourself is > not really needed. > Great! I'll check the spec file to see if I can use it out of box. -- Yasuo Ohgaki -- PHP Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http

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On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 10:53:38AM -0700, brad lafountain wrote: > It was mentioned before about bundling libxml2 with php with expat or instead > of expat. Where do we stand with this? I emailed the developer asking > permission to bundle it if we choose to do it (no response yet). for the rec

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Ignore that, Marko clarified his stance much better later. I really need to finish reading the overnight discussions before sending a reply. -- PHP Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php

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On Thu, 30 May 2002, Marko Karppinen wrote: > I think the solution would be to allow PECL to optionally fetch the > libraries an extension depends on, quite like FreeBSD ports. While this idea would be excellent, any recent readings on the FreeBSD list you'll find the limitations of the ports co

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Hi, ok, missed that. But i hope you know this would only really work on Windows I guess. Even sharing binaries from one Linux distribution to another is not possible sometimes because of the different GLIBCs used. IMHO that cries for more work then there would be benefit f

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Markus: > Honestly I see this being a point beyond the task of PECL. > There are too many things which can get fucked up (I just see > a secenery where someone accidantly installs libxml2 through > PECL though he has it in the system but in a non-standard > path). Really, this does not belong to P

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Hi, On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 10:06:50AM +0300, Marko Karppinen wrote : > Dan: > > If we start down this path of bundling external projects, why don't we > > just bundle every external project PHP supports to make it the easiest? > > This is just an absurd notion to bundle an actively develope

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Hi, On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 07:43:24AM +0300, Andi Gutmans wrote : > But if libxml2 is a moving target and it's hard to stay in sync then it > certainly sounds beneficial to take away this headache from our users. It seems we need to define 'hard to stay in sync'. The only hard thi

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Dan: > If we start down this path of bundling external projects, why don't we > just bundle every external project PHP supports to make it the easiest? > This is just an absurd notion to bundle an actively developed/maintained > piece of code. The headaches it will introduce are not worth the min

Re: [PHP-DEV] bundling libxml2 / bundling locations

On Thu, 30 May 2002, Andi Gutmans wrote: > I think that XML is a core technology and giving plug&play access to our > users is important. Having bundled the MySQL library made it easier for > people to get started with MySQL. Does that mean I think every library > should be bundled with PHP? N

Re: [PHP-DEV] bundling libxml2 / bundling locations

On Wed, 29 May 2002, brad lafountain wrote: > My point of view is domxml does require a newish version of libxml2. It't not > going to hurt if we bundle that version with php. The configure script can even It does hurt... adding almost 2 MB to a distribution is simply insane IMO. Even people wh

Re: [PHP-DEV] bundling libxml2 / bundling locations

On Thu, 30 May 2002, Yasuo Ohgaki wrote: > Markus Fischer wrote: > > On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 09:58:31AM +0900, Yasuo Ohgaki wrote : > > > >>Markus Fischer wrote: > >> > >"Build outta the box" > > +1 for libxml2 bundle. This already discussed, isn't this? > >>> > >>> > >>> -1 > >>

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On Thu, 30 May 2002, Yasuo Ohgaki wrote: > Brad Lafountain wrote: > > > But take ext/domxml it requires a newerversion of libxml2. I didn't have it > > installed on my machine when i installed php. If we bundle say a specfic > > version of libxml2 that domxml depends on, then it won't matter how

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On Wed, 29 May 2002, Alexander Wagner wrote: > > But take ext/domxml it requires a newerversion of libxml2. I didn't > > have it installed on my machine when i installed php. If we bundle > > say a specfic version of libxml2 that domxml depends on, then it > > won't matter how fast pased the dev

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I think that XML is a core technology and giving plug&play access to our users is important. Having bundled the MySQL library made it easier for people to get started with MySQL. Does that mean I think every library should be bundled with PHP? No, I don't. But if libxml2 is a moving target and

Re: [PHP-DEV] bundling libxml2 / bundling locations

On Wed, 29 May 2002, brad lafountain wrote: > Hello all, > > It was mentioned before about bundling libxml2 with php with expat or instead > of expat. Where do we stand with this? I emailed the developer asking > permission to bundle it if we choose to do it (no response yet). -1 on this idea.

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My point of view is domxml does require a newish version of libxml2. It't not going to hurt if we bundle that version with php. The configure script can even detect a version that is installed on the system. If its greater than the packaged one then it can use that one instead alsogive the user to

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Markus Fischer wrote: > On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 09:58:31AM +0900, Yasuo Ohgaki wrote : > >>Markus Fischer wrote: >> >"Build outta the box" +1 for libxml2 bundle. This already discussed, isn't this? >>> >>> >>> -1 >>> >>> It's very actively developed. What is the reason of shared

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On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 09:58:31AM +0900, Yasuo Ohgaki wrote : > Markus Fischer wrote: > >>>"Build outta the box" > >> > >>+1 for libxml2 bundle. This already discussed, isn't this? > > > > > >-1 > > > >It's very actively developed. What is the reason of shared > >libraries if we don'

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On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 08:12:27AM +0900, Yasuo Ohgaki wrote : > Brad Lafountain wrote: > >Ok, > > > > But take ext/domxml it requires a newerversion of libxml2. I didn't have > > it > >installed on my machine when i installed php. If we bundle say a specfic > >version of libxml2 that domxml de

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Brad Lafountain wrote: > Ok, > > But take ext/domxml it requires a newerversion of libxml2. I didn't have it > installed on my machine when i installed php. If we bundle say a specfic > version of libxml2 that domxml depends on, then it won't matter how fast pased > the development is, ext/domx

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brad lafountain wrote: > Ok, > > But take ext/domxml it requires a newerversion of libxml2. I didn't > have it installed on my machine when i installed php. If we bundle > say a specfic version of libxml2 that domxml depends on, then it > won't matter how fast pased the development is, ext/domxml

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Ok, But take ext/domxml it requires a newerversion of libxml2. I didn't have it installed on my machine when i installed php. If we bundle say a specfic version of libxml2 that domxml depends on, then it won't matter how fast pased the development is, ext/domxml won't use it. We can obvisouly p

Re: [PHP-DEV] bundling libxml2 / bundling locations

On Wed, 29 May 2002, brad lafountain wrote: > Hello all, > > It was mentioned before about bundling libxml2 with php with expat or instead > of expat. Where do we stand with this? I emailed the developer asking > permission to bundle it if we choose to do it (no response yet). öhm, libxml2 is a