[Repeater-Builder] Re: West Coast Electronics

2010-02-27 Thread hybridfan
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "skipp025" wrote: > > > "hybridfan" wrote: > > > OK, since we've activated the Wy Back Machine again, does > > anyone remember the VHF high band West Coast Electronics remote > > mount mobiles? > > > > I'm still looking for photos of the radio,

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Digest Number 7130

2010-02-27 Thread JOHN MACKEY
I agree! I just made another post and I definitely agree the transformers are the better route over active devices for long audio runs. The active devices are best suited for interfacing un-balanced devices to balanced connections in a production or control room. I am thinking of running a cable

Re: [Repeater-Builder] LOOONG audio runs

2010-02-27 Thread JOHN MACKEY
I think when I made the original post it was late & I was tired!! I work in broadcasting and use the 111C coils often in long analog audio runs for remote broadcasts. I do agree that transformers would be better than active balanced devices. The active devices are easier to deal with for short

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LOOONG audio runs

2010-02-27 Thread JOHN MACKEY
At the multi-FM broadcast transmitter site I work at ALL my network wiring is shielded cat5 or shielded cat6. I have never experienced some of the strange networking problems related to interference that I occasionally hear others complain about. At my studio I had a problem a couple years ago wh

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LOOONG audio runs

2010-02-27 Thread JOHN MACKEY
Using balanced audio in a broadcast environment, I have on rare occasions experienced issues with cross-talk between long runs of un-shielded balanced audio lines. (inductive pickup??) I always wondered if the wires were truly balanced when that happened. I prefer to used shielded balanced wirin

[Repeater-Builder] Files Uploaded

2010-02-27 Thread KD8BIW
Hello all, I've created 2 folders, and uploaded a few files to them They are "DB-224" and "DB Antennas". These are for passing along files relating to the Decible DB antennas. If the moderators could move some of the other files that are scattered around the files page, it would make it alot

Re: [Repeater-Builder] 900 meg Spectra radio

2010-02-27 Thread JOHN MACKEY
Because 900 Mhz is only available to amateurs in the US and not in Japan. The 900 Mhz amateur activity in the US is not very strong. -- Original Message -- Received: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 07:02:17 PM PST From: "Fuggitaboutit" To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com SNIP > Why cant someone just c

[Repeater-Builder] Re: LOOONG audio runs

2010-02-27 Thread larynl2
Shielding is not usually necessary for line level balanced pair audio on CAT 5 or any good twisted pair. CAT 5 is often used in broadcast audio work. Laryn K8TVZ --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "skipp025" wrote: > > > Joe wrote: > > I wonder if CAT 6 would be better than CAT5 due to

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LOOONG audio runs

2010-02-27 Thread TGundo 2003
Skipp- They make Shielded Cat 5 & 6, as well as shielded RJ45 ends. Takes a special crimp tool but it is available. Also, Belden and other wire manufactuers are making special series of Cat cables with low-skew design specifically for the purposes of sending Audio & Video down the Cat cables.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LOOONG audio runs

2010-02-27 Thread John J. Riddell
Skipp, yes you can get shielded Cat 5. I've used it a few times when running near AC fixtures etc. 73 John VE3AMZ - Original Message - From: "skipp025" To: Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 10:43 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LOOONG audio runs >> Joe wrote: >> I wonder if

[Repeater-Builder] Re: LOOONG audio runs

2010-02-27 Thread skipp025
> Joe wrote: > I wonder if CAT 6 would be better than CAT5 due to the > difference in twist? > Joe A number of different items in the specifications would be worth examining... like how much C per foot and I don't believe "CAT" network cables are shielded. s. > > Oz, in DFW wrote: > > Mak

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola Power Supply Questiona

2010-02-27 Thread Eric Lemmon
Graham, The "SP01" might refer to a power supply that is modified to operate on 230 VAC 50 Hz, or that is fitted with the special Type 1 plug used in New Zealand, or both. In any case, the "SP01" does, in fact, mean that the unit is a "special" product that may have been custom-made for a particu

[Repeater-Builder] Re: New to 900mhz,, PL or DPL?

2010-02-27 Thread Walter H
Then it's not COR [Carrier Operated Relay]. It would be RUS [Receiver UnSquelch]. And running any voice station strictly on PL/DPL is a bad idea. PL [CTCSS] is prone to falsing if it isn't AND'ed with carrier detect. I have to figure that DPL is better, but random energy from the 'hiss' has got t

[Repeater-Builder] 900 meg Spectra radio

2010-02-27 Thread Fuggitaboutit
Ya, I bought the cable from ebay and I had an old laptop. I've walked past this stuff for years at hamfests and heard the horror stories. Motorola did everything they could to make this radio proprietary ..like everything else. I even replaced the display caps and some on the audio. blah blah bla

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Micor UHF Repeater Base 9.6 vdc current requirement?

2010-02-27 Thread no6b
At 2/25/2010 12:36, you wrote: >Build it yourself. Use an LM7808 and and series two 1N4001's to lift the >ground lead up by 1.4 volts. I know 7809's are around but the 7808 is much >more common and cheaper. One thing to watch out for in lifting the ground pin above ground on the 78xx series d

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola Power Supply Questiona

2010-02-27 Thread zl3tda
Mike, Your comments and help is very much appreciated. You have gone to an effort to help me greatly and I extend my thanks to you. Great details! The TPN number is TPN2264 SP01 It has been mentioned to me that the SP could mean either special product or special price. I haven't actually powere

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Manual for HAL ID-1000?

2010-02-27 Thread Greg Beat
I will send those specific pages -- How to program Diode matrix and schematic diagram for the HAL ID-1A to Repeater Builders for posting (access), The FULL manual is still available for HAL Communications, Urbana, IL greg w9gb

Re: [Repeater-Builder] LOOONG audio runs

2010-02-27 Thread Joe
Oz, in DFW wrote: > > Make sure you use twisted pair. Station wire like that use to wire > houses is often not twisted. Ethernet cable is good and has a high > twist pitch - better for this application. > I wonder if CAT 6 would be better than CAT5 due to the difference in twist? Joe

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Micor UHF Repeater Base 9.6 vdc current requirement?

2010-02-27 Thread scomind
Hi Jeff, >In general I don't like raising the ground on 7xxx series fixed regulators by adding diodes to what would normally be the ground lead. You're right, the diode trick is not recommended. National recommends putting a voltage divider across the output of the regulator and connecting the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] LOOONG audio runs

2010-02-27 Thread Oz, in DFW
I vigorously second Jeff's recommendation. This is an application where iron is still the right answer. Make sure you use twisted pair. Station wire like that use to wire houses is often not twisted. Ethernet cable is good and has a high twist pitch - better for this application. Repeat coils

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Micor Stock Power Supplies

2010-02-27 Thread Eric Lemmon
Jim, I performed load tests on many different power supplies, including the ferroresonant supplies common to Motorola and GE stations. The results are posted in the Power Supplies folder in the Files section of the Repeater-Builder Group. As shown by the efficiency numbers, switchers are far mor

[Repeater-Builder] Micor Stock Power Supplies

2010-02-27 Thread James
I have been following the 9.6 Volt Micor Voltage information. One post indicated that if one were to replace the Stock MICOR Supply with a switcher and add the 9.6 Volt circuit, the monthly electric bill to run the repeater could be significantly reduced. Is this due to the fact that the switche

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Suggestions for signal generator?

2010-02-27 Thread Kris Kirby
On Sat, 27 Feb 2010, AJ wrote: > Anyone have a suggestion for a simple 50 ohm signal generator? I > have a number of VHF Phelps Dodge duplexers and several UHF flat pack > duplexers I'd like to be able to test prior to sale and possibly rough > tune for a few projects duing the waning weeks of

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Manual for HAL ID-1000?

2010-02-27 Thread Greg Beat
Chris - I have 2 of the HAL ID-1A units that I picked up surplus from a Western NY utility company last year. They used these 2 units on their older repeater systems (circa 1970s) -- and one unit -- was converted fro 120 VAC to 12 VDC. YES, they are diode matrix programmed (for ID) -- which was

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Digest Number 7130

2010-02-27 Thread Al Wolfe
John, You will save yourself a lot of grief by using real transformer isolation at each end in addition to balanced lines. The $12 dollar ones at RS will work fine for communication audio frequencies. If you want to go first class find some WE111 repeat coils. For wire CAT 5 will work a

[Repeater-Builder] Suggestions for signal generator?

2010-02-27 Thread AJ
Anyone have a suggestion for a simple 50 ohm signal generator? I have a number of VHF Phelps Dodge duplexers and several UHF flat pack duplexers I'd like to be able to test prior to sale and possibly rough tune for a few projects duing the waning weeks of winter. I realize a network analyzer woul

RE: [Repeater-Builder] LOOONG audio runs

2010-02-27 Thread Jeff DePolo
> I have a odd situation where I need to run long audio cables > between my > repeater controller and two repeaters. In this case, the > repeater controller > will be connected to 2 repeaters in the same cabinette. The other two > repeaters will connected thru about 140 feet of wiring to the > o

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Micor UHF Repeater Base 9.6 vdc current requirement?

2010-02-27 Thread Jeff DePolo
> In a station, the 9.6 volt circuitry *could* be run from 12 volts, as > long as its regulated. I'm not suggesting someone does that, because > the circuits were optimized for 9.6 volts, but I'm trying to > make a point. Point taken, but to add to your cautionary note, there are some circuits

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Looking for Preamp info

2010-02-27 Thread George C
Just had one on the bench last night, about 3 db hotter than anything else. I have no info, was told by the guy I got it from that tehre is a GaAsFET in there. I had this on a Mastr repeater, one cavity ahead of it, it ahead of duplexer, and at 50 watts into PD526 has zip desense. GeorgeC W2DB

RE: [Repeater-Builder] LOOONG audio runs

2010-02-27 Thread Eric Lemmon
John, The professional sound and recording industry addressed this problem long ago, when wired microphones and other pickups needed to be run several hundred feet from the performer on stage to the mixing board. We used balanced twisted pair shielded cable with XLR connectors on each end. A dev

Re: [Repeater-Builder] LOOONG audio runs

2010-02-27 Thread James Delancy
I have to stick my nose into this one. Use balanced audio ESPECIALLY if there is any other strong RF at or near your site. 140 feet is a good AM broadcast antenna! Shield grounds for your cable should be at one end (best bet is at the controller for everything!) It also might be wise to sna