Re: [313] Betr.: [313] jaguar sampling?
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RE: [313] code red
Yes John They all the Codered are available here: http://www.nuloop.com/LabelE.asp?label=919 just click on the part# to listen to the tracks Adrien roussel www.nuloop.com -Message d'origine- De : john holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : dimanche 21 janvier 2001 21:41 À : 313@hyperreal.org Objet : [313] code red 313ers, all of the code red releases have been re-released!!! so if you do not have some of them, i suggest you make your way to the nearest record store and pick them up. thought you all might like to know that. but hey, who knows if you even care about code red, since detroit is the scene you follow. but i thought that i would run the by you all anyway. peace, t __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
T-1000 TP
Hi there, Awhile back someone mentioned they had converted the T-1000 and TP sets from the Anthony Shakir benefit night at Motor into mp3. Could this person please get in contact with me! thanks jason
Fwd: delsin compilation, ..going thru life
.. Going Thru Life a Delsin Records compilation .. :: . : about this release :: .. Since the beginning Delsin strives for soul and innovation in abstract=20 dance music. This is not going unnoticed through the music world. Although= =20 officially around since 1996, in 2000 gears were shifted which resulted=20 into eight vinyl releases and this first cd-only compilation album. Thus far, every release had it=92s own impact. CiM=92s Service Pack is= already=20 been called a classic in the electronica genre, Aardvarck impressed all=20 beat scientists around the world, while LuckyEasy=92s sixteen minutes long= =20 epic =91Puddled Up=92 impressed by bringing back sweet memories to Plaid and= =20 Black Dog=92s best days. Norken=92s release made it to one of the choices of= =20 the month in German=92s Groove magazine, as Peel Seamus last single did in= =20 UK=92s iDJ. Now with this cd-only compilation Delsin wants to bring their music to a=20 broader audience. An audience which goes for smooth, soulful electronic=20 music.. where beauty, innovation and creativity are still the keywords. And= =20 with upcoming releases by Keith Tucker (as Optic Nerve), Deepart, CiM a.o.= =20 and albums by Ross154, Aardvarck and LuckyEasy the future for Delsin looks= =20 in that tradition very promising! For interviews, articles and none xxx-rated photo sessions, contact by=20 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or phone +31-20-6204-252-65 . .. . ::: : quote - unquote .. . ::: .. . The best between Detroit and electronica, De:Bug One of the best electronic labels of the year 2000, Mixmaster Morris =93A label that specialises in the very deepest strands of electronica=94,= Muzik =93I like the Delsin label a lot., Ian O=92Brien .. :: cd tracklisting : . .. 01) LuckyEasy - Blo sum (taken from 7dsr/lae1) 02) Future Beat Alliance - Eon Link 500 (taken from 12dsr/fba1) 03) Peel Seamus - Dimensions (taken from 11dsr/psm4) 04) Cellvoice - Benzedrine with Honey (taken from 3dsr/cvc1) 05) Aardvarck - Kabunkel (taken from 14dsr/aar2) 06) Norken - Home (taken from 9dsr/nor1) 07) Ross154 - Moon FM Desire (previously unreleased) 08) Plasm Nesonic - As seen on tv (taken from 8dsr/pns1) 09) MOS - Houses of Industry (Aroy Dee) (previously unreleased) 10) Peel Seamus - First of June (taken from 4dsr/psm3) 11) CiM - Shift (taken from 5dsr/cim1) 12) Aardvarck - Bay 2 (taken from 6dsr/aar1) =0C . .:: .. about the artists .. :: LuckyEasy .. are from East-Kilbride, near Glasgow, part of a movement of people best= =20 known for their label Ampoule. Also responsible for the Pub releases, which= =20 came out through the London based Vertical Form label, with remixes by=20 Arovane a.o. Future Beat Alliance .. is Matthew Puffett from Brighton. Started his career with releases=20 through his co-owned Void label. His last releases came through Italy=20 hottest label, Archive and Russ Gabriel=92s respected Ferox label. Peel Seamus .. is Marsel van der Wielen, owner and founder of Delsin Records. His=20 previous releases were praised by magazines as Muzik, Magic Feet and De:Bug= =20 and ended up in charts by Lee Grainge and Mixmaster Morris. His last single= =20 was chosen as =91Top Tune=92 by UK=92s iDJ magazine and listed in Muzik as= #1 by=20 London=92s record shop Atlas. Cellvoice .. are Sandor Caron and Richard Kruysdijk. Cellvoice is the collaboration=20 project by these artists mostly acting solo, with both albums out or coming= =20 through their own new Music for Speakers label. Sandor=92s music is praised= =20 by Kirk Degiorgio and Carl Craig. Richard caught attention with his=20 releases and live performances as Sonar Lodge. Aardvarck .. is Mike Kivits from Den Bosch. Active as Dj in the Dutch scene since the= =20 very beginning of house and techno. His first Delsin release immediately=20 sold out and caught the attention of Kirk Degiorgio (playing it on Kiss=20 FM), Jazzanova, Ian O=92Brien and more.. Norken .. is Lee Norris, who started his career as Metamatics for the Clear label.= =20 Nowadays he=92s running his own Neo Ouija label, which hosts artists as=20 Metamatics, Clatterbox, Arovane and more. As Norken he released last year=20 his successful album =01=91Soul Static Bureau=92. A new Metamatics album is= just=20 released by Sweden=92s Dot-label. Ross154 .. is well known for his releases for the respected Dutch labels Eevolute=20 and 100%Pure, also involved in the two successful Newworldaquarium=20 releases, which ended up in dj-sets by Carl Craig and got very positive=20 feedback from labels as Archive, Metamorphic, Music is.. and more. Plasm Nesonic .. is an undercover project by a well known techno artist from the USA,=20 around since the early years of techno. MOS ...is a collective of three electronic experimentalists. The collective=92s= =20 output ranges from heavily abstract soundart to melancholic Detroit techno= =20 rhythms. Aroy Dee is the man responsible for this last category, and is the= =20 first to
Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM?
Anyone at MIDEM and see the release of Final Scratch? You know how I've been going on about the future of DJ'ing? Well Hawtin and Acquaviva along with N2IT out of The Netherlands did their press release of Final Scratch yesterday. It's not the first time they've used the system, it was used during their Peel show a few months ago, and John has been using it at almost every gig for the last few months. Essentially the only aspect of DJ'ing that it changes is the carrying of vinyl and selecting of tracks to play. Now instead of carrying boxes of vinyl you need only a suitable powerful laptop, and instead of flipping through your record box you just double-click a track and it's ready to go. That is the only aspect of DJ'ing as we all currently know that changes. So now what? Tosh
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Re: [313] Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM?
Sounds horrible, going through the box is part of the artform. It would make it too calculated, you can't flick through your box, land on something else and think hmmm, now maybe I can play that instead. The advantage is that it overcomes the dreaded, 'the airline lost my records, damn I will have to borrow Judge Jules' records or make a quick sortie to the local record store' syndrome. Anyone at MIDEM and see the release of Final Scratch? You know how I've been going on about the future of DJ'ing? Well Hawtin and Acquaviva along with N2IT out of The Netherlands did their press release of Final Scratch yesterday. It's not the first time they've used the system, it was used during their Peel show a few months ago, and John has been using it at almost every gig for the last few months. Essentially the only aspect of DJ'ing that it changes is the carrying of vinyl and selecting of tracks to play. Now instead of carrying boxes of vinyl you need only a suitable powerful laptop, and instead of flipping through your record box you just double-click a track and it's ready to go. That is the only aspect of DJ'ing as we all currently know that changes.
Re: [313] re[313] equipment
Get a Korg ES-1 and sample them all... They're damn cheap and really useful... Nick (Dj Pacific:) --- RocketKids [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: lots of laughs -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: dr [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org Datum: Sonntag, 21. Januar 2001 02:51 RON Betreff: Re: [313] equipment 'lovely percussive deep detroit-like filtered organs and strings' does not equal novation bass station. At 12:52 AM + 1/21/01, Saul Goode wrote: you should buy my mint novation super bass station they're $700 new, but i'm selling mine for $350 w/box and manual. 'm also selling a korg kaoss pad offers anyone??? peace From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (RocketKids) Reply-To: RocketKids [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] equipment Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:08:42 +0100 hi, im planning to buy some synthesizers or expanders, and im looking for those lovely percussive deep detroit-like filtered organs and strings...you should know what i talk about,,...maybe someone could tell me, what synth i should spend my money on? thanx ron ron lux _ salierstr.30 _ d-75177 pforzheim (+49)_7231_568568 _ cell (+49)_179_5251805 come to www.megahertz.org www.fortransit.com --- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/
Re: [313] Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM?
The smell of brand new vinyl out of the sleeve, the crackle of the record under the needle... there's something spiritual and special about vinyl that no other media can replicate... Old vinyl especially. I don't want your stupid toy... Who cares about the future... time and forces move around and come back on themselves... just because something is new, doesn't make it good... Nick (Dj Pacific:) --- Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds horrible, going through the box is part of the artform. It would make it too calculated, you can't flick through your box, land on something else and think hmmm, now maybe I can play that instead. The advantage is that it overcomes the dreaded, 'the airline lost my records, damn I will have to borrow Judge Jules' records or make a quick sortie to the local record store' syndrome. Anyone at MIDEM and see the release of Final Scratch? You know how I've been going on about the future of DJ'ing? Well Hawtin and Acquaviva along with N2IT out of The Netherlands did their press release of Final Scratch yesterday. It's not the first time they've used the system, it was used during their Peel show a few months ago, and John has been using it at almost every gig for the last few months. Essentially the only aspect of DJ'ing that it changes is the carrying of vinyl and selecting of tracks to play. Now instead of carrying boxes of vinyl you need only a suitable powerful laptop, and instead of flipping through your record box you just double-click a track and it's ready to go. That is the only aspect of DJ'ing as we all currently know that changes. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/
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Y'all won't believe this one: promising a blend of Scary ambient/illbient/chill, eclectic mixes and loungecore, could this guy be America's weirdest DJ yet? http://www.ouchytheclown.com/ - Tom NP: People Like Us: A Fistful Of Knuckles
Eric Powell (Bush Records)
hey all, just wondering if anyone has caught Eric Powell's set at one of the parties in Australia/overseas? he's playing here in Brisbane @ the Cross, a new night starting 7th feb @ Monastery (should be quite different to the normal mid week club night actually - they're incorporating music, fashion, art, technology and dance), and I'm having a quick chat with him for www.pulseradio.net - just wanting to hear any feedback from people who are more familiar with his sets than I - I've never seen him play before, although from doing some research on him and his label I am quite looking forward to it.. please email me if you have any comments that you wouldn't mind sharing.. thanks in advance Kath [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM?
And even then... Same reason why I refuse to play any CD's applies here as well. Pushing buttons has nothing to do with dj'ing as far as I am concerned. Imagine the joy of finally finding that record you've been after for several years, and then compare it to downloading that track from the internet... Nuff said I think. RD Sounds horrible, going through the box is part of the artform. It would make it too calculated, you can't flick through your box, land on something else and think hmmm, now maybe I can play that instead. The advantage is that it overcomes the dreaded, 'the airline lost my records, damn I will have to borrow Judge Jules' records or make a quick sortie to the local record store' syndrome. Anyone at MIDEM and see the release of Final Scratch? You know how I've been going on about the future of DJ'ing? Well Hawtin and Acquaviva along with N2IT out of The Netherlands did their press release of Final Scratch yesterday. It's not the first time they've used the system, it was used during their Peel show a few months ago, and John has been using it at almost every gig for the last few months. Essentially the only aspect of DJ'ing that it changes is the carrying of vinyl and selecting of tracks to play. Now instead of carrying boxes of vinyl you need only a suitable powerful laptop, and instead of flipping through your record box you just double-click a track and it's ready to go. That is the only aspect of DJ'ing as we all currently know that changes. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: 313-he Signup for FREE email and member home pages at http://www.turkey.com
Titonton @ Betalounge, 25th Jan 2001 8pm (PT)
Hi 313ers, It is my duty to tell everyone bout this so check it if you can... 25th January 2001 8.00pm (Pacific Time(? If this is wrong... I'm sorry)) *Titonton Duvante on Betalounge* and someone called Dj Anna (who I've never heard of) l8r, Nick (Dj Pacific:) __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/
Re: [313] Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM?
on one hand, the relief of not carrying about 80+ extra lbs while traveling is understood BUT personally, I have to side with the artform arguement. Seeing a set being pieced together with records and the DJ making the set come together is part of the thrill and artform. It seems we're getting too comfy with this laptop thing- as in the same vein with live PAs. to compare it to art, lets say. its the difference between watching a painter mix the paints and seeing the painting come together with the brush strokes piecing together a visually pleasing result. or watching a painter taking already prepaired elements and just taping them properly to the canvas. blahblahblahitsmonday diana --- stuffed bird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And even then... Same reason why I refuse to play any CD's applies here as well. Pushing buttons has nothing to do with dj'ing as far as I am concerned. Imagine the joy of finally finding that record you've been after for several years, and then compare it to downloading that track from the internet... Nuff said I think. RD Sounds horrible, going through the box is part of the artform. It would make it too calculated, you can't flick through your box, land on something else and think hmmm, now maybe I can play that instead. The advantage is that it overcomes the dreaded, 'the airline lost my records, damn I will have to borrow Judge Jules' records or make a quick sortie to the local record store' syndrome. Anyone at MIDEM and see the release of Final Scratch? You know how I've been going on about the future of DJ'ing? Well Hawtin and Acquaviva along with N2IT out of The Netherlands did their press release of Final Scratch yesterday. It's not the first time they've used the system, it was used during their Peel show a few months ago, and John has been using it at almost every gig for the last few months. Essentially the only aspect of DJ'ing that it changes is the carrying of vinyl and selecting of tracks to play. Now instead of carrying boxes of vinyl you need only a suitable powerful laptop, and instead of flipping through your record box you just double-click a track and it's ready to go. That is the only aspect of DJ'ing as we all currently know that changes. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: 313-he Signup for FREE email and member home pages at http://www.turkey.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/
Re: [313] Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM?
Yeah, I am on the artform side. I think it will be the demise of DJing the day that it becomes a machine-led thing. Big name DJs can have a clause in their contract where someone carries their boxes for them anyway, either that or they can carry them around, build up their muscle tone and look like David Morales. I reckon a big issue that would revolutionise DJing is BETTER SECURITY at airports. It's simply unacceptable the numbers of boxes that go missing or that don't arrive on time. I hear it happens a lot os. on one hand, the relief of not carrying about 80+ extra lbs while traveling is understood BUT personally, I have to side with the artform arguement. Seeing a set being pieced together with records and the DJ making the set come together is part of the thrill and artform. It seems we're getting too comfy with this laptop thing- as in the same vein with live PAs. to compare it to art, lets say. its the difference between watching a painter mix the paints and seeing the painting come together with the brush strokes piecing together a visually pleasing result. or watching a painter taking already prepaired elements and just taping them properly to the canvas.
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Re: [313] Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM?
Yeah, I am on the artform side. I think it will be the demise of DJing the day that it becomes a machine-led thing. how is it any less of an artform when technology is involved? I think the real issue here is unwarranted nostalgia holding us back from a better experience. How can you confidently state that there's no art to mixing mp3s using finalscratch when you haven't even tried it, and most likely haven't even seen anyone else try it? What, just because it doesn't rely on a crappy, outdated, extremely inconvenient technology, it's not as good? It's not about finding song x on npaster vs finding song x on a record and which is more rewarding - of course it's more rewarding to find song x on vinyl. but try to think of the possibilities that digital mixing opens up - you could easily play your own songs, the ones you don't want to spend $50 getting an acetate cut, or even more to have it actually released. You could work in live elements, you could do effects, the creative control is only limited to what your computer can do. And remember, this system works WITH your turntables - you can still bring your records along and play them the same as you did before. You're not being asked to abandon vinyl here... just to accept the possibility that vinyl is not the end-all, be-all of mixed music. Please don't waste my time arguing practicalities like mp3s don't sound as good or computers crash! - and don't waste my time telling me vinyl is superior becuase it's what we've always used. So what? It's romantic notions like that that'll hold the music back and let it stagnate. Of course there's room to acknowledge the past, but there's also plenty of room to move forward... the problem with accepting new technology might be striking a balance between the two... but denying new technology because it's not what we've always used is not the solution.
Re: [313] Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM?
Art in all forms is about expression. Moods emotions that an artform creates are different in each individual. Regardless of what the means are that are used to reach the musical end. what is created is what matters. (plagerisism aside) technological advancement is not the problem. The problem starts when quality and authentisity are compromised for laziness and lack of skill.IMO peace mg [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/22/01 10:47AM Yeah, I am on the artform side. I think it will be the demise of DJing the day that it becomes a machine-led thing. how is it any less of an artform when technology is involved? I think the real issue here is unwarranted nostalgia holding us back from a better experience. How can you confidently state that there's no art to mixing mp3s using finalscratch when you haven't even tried it, and most likely haven't even seen anyone else try it? What, just because it doesn't rely on a crappy, outdated, extremely inconvenient technology, it's not as good? It's not about finding song x on npaster vs finding song x on a record and which is more rewarding - of course it's more rewarding to find song x on vinyl. but try to think of the possibilities that digital mixing opens up - you could easily play your own songs, the ones you don't want to spend $50 getting an acetate cut, or even more to have it actually released. You could work in live elements, you could do effects, the creative control is only limited to what your computer can do. And remember, this system works WITH your turntables - you can still bring your records along and play them the same as you did before. You're not being asked to abandon vinyl here... just to accept the possibility that vinyl is not the end-all, be-all of mixed music. Please don't waste my time arguing practicalities like mp3s don't sound as good or computers crash! - and don't waste my time telling me vinyl is superior becuase it's what we've always used. So what? It's romantic notions like that that'll hold the music back and let it stagnate. Of course there's room to acknowledge the past, but there's also plenty of room to move forward... the problem with accepting new technology might be striking a balance between the two... but denying new technology because it's not what we've always used is not the solution. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Matthew Gerbasi |l| MediaVest Detroit |l| 248-458-8567|l| [EMAIL PROTECTED] aka [EMAIL PROTECTED] presently your future is history -- Basi
Re: [313] Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM?
Very nicely stated. Art in all forms is about expression. Moods emotions that an artform creates are different in each individual. Regardless of what the means are that are used to reach the musical end. what is created is what matters. (plagerisism aside) technological advancement is not the problem. The problem starts when quality and authentisity are compromised for laziness and lack of skill.IMO
Digital Jockey vs. Disc Jockey (was: Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM?)
I see benefits in both styles. In any given party, there's always a group of people that like to be up close to the dj to see him/her work the tables, and then there are people that are into the music just as much who sit back and dance/chill away from the dj. So, if you're not hell bent on seeing exactly what the dj is doing, then it shouldn't matter what medium s/he is using. I think being a digital-J could be really sweetbut for different reasons. With vinyl mixing, most of the effort and time is spent matching beats, creating a flow a flow on the fly. This creates a great live energy feeland is (and always will be) awesome to experience both as the dj and the listener. However, with a digital set already put together, the effort of the dj can be spent in other departments; especially effects. I've been toying around with some pre-made sets, and then working them through a Space Echo, Filter, spring reverb, and digi-reverb. The result is quite mind blowing and I'm actually way more animated tweaking all those effects than when I'm doing a straight up turntable mix. Though the source may be pre-made, the result is anything but stagnant sounding. For me, what counts is the end producthow it SOUNDS. As long as you're doing something creative on the fly...something that can compliment the mood of the crowd, isn't that what really counts for a dj? As a dj, I will always have a deep love for the tactile feel of vinyl. But, I'm not gonna turn my shoulder to new things that can enhance the experience. GYS set.go.recordings www.mp3.com/gys -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 10:47 AM To: Cyclone Wehner Cc: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: [313] Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM? Yeah, I am on the artform side. I think it will be the demise of DJing the day that it becomes a machine-led thing. how is it any less of an artform when technology is involved? I think the real issue here is unwarranted nostalgia holding us back from a better experience. How can you confidently state that there's no art to mixing mp3s using finalscratch when you haven't even tried it, and most likely haven't even seen anyone else try it? What, just because it doesn't rely on a crappy, outdated, extremely inconvenient technology, it's not as good? It's not about finding song x on npaster vs finding song x on a record and which is more rewarding - of course it's more rewarding to find song x on vinyl. but try to think of the possibilities that digital mixing opens up - you could easily play your own songs, the ones you don't want to spend $50 getting an acetate cut, or even more to have it actually released. You could work in live elements, you could do effects, the creative control is only limited to what your computer can do. And remember, this system works WITH your turntables - you can still bring your records along and play them the same as you did before. You're not being asked to abandon vinyl here... just to accept the possibility that vinyl is not the end-all, be-all of mixed music. Please don't waste my time arguing practicalities like mp3s don't sound as good or computers crash! - and don't waste my time telling me vinyl is superior becuase it's what we've always used. So what? It's romantic notions like that that'll hold the music back and let it stagnate. Of course there's room to acknowledge the past, but there's also plenty of room to move forward... the problem with accepting new technology might be striking a balance between the two... but denying new technology because it's not what we've always used is not the solution. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Titonton @ Betalounge, 25th Jan 2001 8pm (PT)
Titonton must be heard to be believed...he's one of the most energetic djs I've ever had the pleasure of knowing and he's one of the few where you can feel his energy in his sets. Awesome. GYS -Original Message- From: Nick Walsh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 9:22 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [313] Titonton @ Betalounge, 25th Jan 2001 8pm (PT) Hi 313ers, It is my duty to tell everyone bout this so check it if you can... 25th January 2001 8.00pm (Pacific Time(? If this is wrong... I'm sorry)) *Titonton Duvante on Betalounge* and someone called Dj Anna (who I've never heard of) l8r, Nick (Dj Pacific:) __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Digital Jockey vs. Disc Jockey (was: Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM?)
I see benefits in both styles. In any given party, there's always a group of people that like to be up close to the dj to see him/her work the tables, and then there are people that are into the music just as much who sit back and dance/chill away from the dj. So, if you're not hell bent on seeing exactly what the dj is doing, then it shouldn't matter what medium s/he is using. I don't know. I think the presence of a DJ is one thing that makes a great DJ, I can't overstate that, I love personality, presence. I interviewed two US DJs out here lately and they were agreeing that in the future the presentation aspect will be what distinguishes DJs and by this I mean not the lights etc but the actual performance - think of someone like Green Velvet. That may not be desirable to some but it's an interesting idea. I guess Hawtin would appreciate the technology described, I can see why. But then again I find him overly clinical as a DJ, as much as I like his production work and his ideas and concepts. I can't see too many house DJs adopting the new thing - can you imagine Kenny Dope pressing buttons, I don't think so. I am a big fan of technology and I see advantages in it (I spend my life on computers) but if that technology disenables the creativity of the artist then it's not especially cool, in my books. However, it's possible that the new technology could be used innovatively, sure, and then the divide between the DJ and live performer may become more tenuous and that could be inevitable and interesting - I guess that again is what interests Hawtin. I still think there is a future for the turntables - new avenues to explore. Like aren't some of the hip-hop turntablists establishing a way of notating scratches?
Re: [313] Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM?
Art in all forms is about expression. I would have to disagree. That is a very modernistic view of art. Jared Wilson FTM Records From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM? Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 03:01:17 +1100 Very nicely stated. Art in all forms is about expression. Moods emotions that an artform creates are different in each individual. Regardless of what the means are that are used to reach the musical end. what is created is what matters. (plagerisism aside) technological advancement is not the problem. The problem starts when quality and authentisity are compromised for laziness and lack of skill.IMO - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM?
how is it any less of an artform when technology is involved? I ain't got nothing against technology. I think you're missing the point. Technology can make for better creativity or it can hamper it, it's not an either/or argument. Do you really want to watch some dude just press a few buttons on a computer, a pre-planned set, there could be no spontaneity, by default. It would be as boring as hell. Any fool could use the new system as it would be a relative cinch. I am sure the turntablism will change but in a way that the DJ is still DJing, not the computer programme. Please don't waste my time arguing practicalities like mp3s don't sound as good or computers crash! - and don't waste my time telling me vinyl is superior becuase it's what we've always used. So what? It's romantic notions like that that'll hold the music back and let it stagnate. Of course there's room to acknowledge the past, but there's also plenty of room to move forward... the problem with accepting new technology might be striking a balance between the two... but denying new technology because it's not what we've always used is not the solution. Well romantic notions are not so bad, and romantic notions can change with the times. Art is a romantic notion to begin with, so maybe if you wish to abandon them all you can abandon that one and we can approach music in a purely practical, methodical way, boring ourselves in the process, but no one here has said what you have above. Again, it's not an either or argument.
Re: [313] Titonton @ Betalounge, 25th Jan 2001 8pm (PT)
*Titonton Duvante on Betalounge* and someone called Dj Anna (who I've never heard of) could this be dj ana dane? of metro area [flute] and main chica at environ..? if so, def should be quality stuff... j _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] radio2
Okay, THIS WEDNESDAY IS DETROIT... so don't miss it okay? It prolly won't be techno but it'll be Motown at the very least... cya, Nick (Dj Pacific:) --- FRANK JACK DANIEL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Radio 2 - 9pm wednesday 'sounds of the city' with charly gillet - a journey round the different rhythms of different cities. the first one was great, covering the rhythms of New Orleans and their influence on reggae. Mr gillet and Taj Mahal were tracking the changes. I am pretty sure there was to be one on Detroit, but I missed the last two so I don't know if its been and gone. _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/
Re: [313] Digital Jockey vs. Disc Jockey (was: Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM?)
I totally agree, but what I'm saying is that you can have presence with equipment other than turntables. How? It would have to be something that demands some kind of physicality. (Great debate by the way.)
Re: [313] Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM?
I remember being in Amsterdam around 1990 and being shocked by the amount of music that was available on CD then. All the old Target, Music Man and RS stuff were all available on CD singles right back then. I then had a heated debate in a record shop with a DJ from Manchester who came to Europe every month to buy his music on CD as he swore that CD mixing was taking over from vinyl at dance clubs, and this was over 10 years ago! Well all I can say is I'm glad I can look back now and see how wrong he was and that I can spend many happy hours reminiscing through my vinyl collection of the past 10 years. I think the same thing will be said of Digital mixing in 10 years from now. I cant believe many DJs would trade the hassle of lugging big boxes of vinyl around only to lose the hands on buzz of cuing up a bit of vinyl and banging off a mix. Plus its an asthetic thing. You see a DJ stretched across a pair of decks and thier very prescence helps control and rock the crowd. Peace Stewart - Original Message - From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [313] Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM? Yeah, I am on the artform side. I think it will be the demise of DJing the day that it becomes a machine-led thing. Big name DJs can have a clause in their contract where someone carries their boxes for them anyway, either that or they can carry them around, build up their muscle tone and look like David Morales. I reckon a big issue that would revolutionise DJing is BETTER SECURITY at airports. It's simply unacceptable the numbers of boxes that go missing or that don't arrive on time. I hear it happens a lot os. on one hand, the relief of not carrying about 80+ extra lbs while traveling is understood BUT personally, I have to side with the artform arguement. Seeing a set being pieced together with records and the DJ making the set come together is part of the thrill and artform. It seems we're getting too comfy with this laptop thing- as in the same vein with live PAs. to compare it to art, lets say. its the difference between watching a painter mix the paints and seeing the painting come together with the brush strokes piecing together a visually pleasing result. or watching a painter taking already prepaired elements and just taping them properly to the canvas. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Digital Jockey vs. Disc Jockey (was: Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM?)
I totally agree, but what I'm saying is that you can have presence with equipment other than turntables. How? It would have to be something that demands some kind of physicality. (Great debate by the way.) well, the whole point of finalscratch is it still uses the turntables... really the only stage presence you're losing if you use that system is the turn around and dig in your record box part now unless you really dig checking out a dj's butt (which is totally understandable) I don't think it's all that big of a deal. I wish the finalscratch page was still up - if they've really launched the product like they apparently have, you'd think it would be up. It's pretty hard to explain quickly, but you get these special records that you put on any turntable... these records then send a signal to the computer which uses the signal to control the pitch, position, etc, of the mp3 or cd audio or whatever. You're still using vinyl, that's the cool thing. you're not just pushing buttons or whatever, you're playing records, but you're playing mp3s. here's an article: http://www.wirednews.com/news/culture/0,1284,18840,00.html
Re: [313] Digital Jockey vs. Disc Jockey (was: Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM?)
Dreadful, ominous name though finalscratch - they should change that now! What's that all about? well, the whole point of finalscratch is it still uses the turntables... really the only stage presence you're losing if you use that system is the turn around and dig in your record box part now unless you really dig checking out a dj's butt (which is totally understandable) I don't think it's all that big of a deal. I wish the finalscratch page was still up - if they've really launched the product like they apparently have, you'd think it would be up. It's pretty hard to explain quickly, but you get these special records that you put on any turntable... these records then send a signal to the computer which uses the signal to control the pitch, position, etc, of the mp3 or cd audio or whatever. You're still using vinyl, that's the cool thing. you're not just pushing buttons or whatever, you're playing records, but you're playing mp3s. here's an article: http://www.wirednews.com/news/culture/0,1284,18840,00.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A.E.S.
I got an old Tresor 12 a couple of days ago, which the label says is a sampler for a compilation called 'Detroit Techno Soul'. It's dated 93 I think. There are four tunes on it, including one by Shake, and there all worthwhile listens but one tune really stands out, it's called Music In My Head by A.E.S. Does anyone have any more info about the producer? It is an alias?...have they done anything else?? cos that tune has been making the last few miserable wintery, freezing cold days almost a pleasure. Cheers Chris
RE: [313] Digital Jockey vs. Disc Jockey (was: Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM?)
I totally agree, but what I'm saying is that you can have presence with equipment other than turntables. How? It would have to be something that demands some kind of physicality. (Great debate by the way.) I'm talking about effects. The effects I use are old school analogue with lots of physical manipulations possible: knobs, switches, etc., all that can drastically change the sound of whatever is going through it...if you've ever used a space echo, you'll know what I'm talking about. Very very physical device. Every dj that has used my set up has fallen in love with the effects I use; upon the first try, they are all really comfortable tweaking them. The effects are very dj friendly in that you can manipulate the sounds with the same actions as you do on a mixer or on the turntable itself. Using the effects is such a natural progression and compliments the turntable experience because of the spontaneity- if you take away the turntables and replaced them with a different sound source, this spontaneity can still be maintained through the use of the effects. They are analogue, like the turntable and thus all parameters can only be adjusted on the fly...no programming. Whatever signal you put through the effect chain becomes something much deeper than hitting play and letting people listen to some predisposed set. Hell, I've done entire ambient sets by routing an A.M. talk radio through this stuff...the result is quite musical and vibrant and you can't get a much more mundane source signal =] But alas, I'm sorta stepping into the realm of live production vs. djing so I'm not sure what this has contributed to the debate (and yes, this is a great one!) GYS
RE: [313] Digital Jockey vs. Disc Jockey (was: Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM?)
Just slap a UR sticker on the special control records and watch as everyone on the list drools over the new technology =] GYS It's pretty hard to explain quickly, but you get these special records that you put on any turntable... these records then send a signal to the computer which uses the signal to control the pitch, position, etc, of the mp3 or cd audio or whatever. You're still using vinyl, that's the cool thing. you're not just pushing buttons or whatever, you're playing records, but you're playing mp3s. here's an article: http://www.wirednews.com/news/culture/0,1284,18840,00.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM?
funny how we got off on this foo foo tangent and no one is discussing what the product actually is or isn't. interesting that this was first announced in 1998: http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/1998/FinalScratch.html http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/WNAMM99/N2IT/FinalScratch-10.html http://www.n2it.net/ haven't found the actual Midem press release.. Tosh? still involves the tactile end of vinyl, but appears to go much further. c'mon people, do you really think hawtin and acquaviva would endorse (unofficially or not) a product that amounts to sitting behind your laptop? or that makes djing *less* of an art? most or all of the comments made by the list have been completely valid. but if the mechanics of djing got relatively simple (or more reliable), aside from all the other live-ish things that could then be done, what would remain the largest responsibility of the dj? PROGRAMMING. constructing on the fly a multiple-hour set that really communicates and captivates. that is the art form, and it's not going anywhere.
Re: [313] Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM?
Please don't waste my time arguing practicalities like mp3s don't sound as good or computers crash! - and don't waste my time telling me vinyl Unfortunately I'm going to waste your time: MP3's really don't sound as good. Even when they are encoded at 256kBps. MP3 is, afterall, a compressed form of .wav, no matter how good the encoding is, it is still compressed. I heard Acquaviva use this technology on New Year's Eve, and there was a noticable difference (maybe only to the trained ear) between when he was mixing vinyl and anything from the computer. The very top and very bottom portions of the recording are lost to the compression method. Therefore, you lose a ton of the Bass. I would think that the bass would be the important part not to compress. No offense intended, but I disagree about the argument that MP3's sound the same as vinyl (especially on a large system). Cheers, Dennis From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM? Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:47:27 -0500 (EST) Yeah, I am on the artform side. I think it will be the demise of DJing the day that it becomes a machine-led thing. how is it any less of an artform when technology is involved? I think the real issue here is unwarranted nostalgia holding us back from a better experience. How can you confidently state that there's no art to mixing mp3s using finalscratch when you haven't even tried it, and most likely haven't even seen anyone else try it? What, just because it doesn't rely on a crappy, outdated, extremely inconvenient technology, it's not as good? It's not about finding song x on npaster vs finding song x on a record and which is more rewarding - of course it's more rewarding to find song x on vinyl. but try to think of the possibilities that digital mixing opens up - you could easily play your own songs, the ones you don't want to spend $50 getting an acetate cut, or even more to have it actually released. You could work in live elements, you could do effects, the creative control is only limited to what your computer can do. And remember, this system works WITH your turntables - you can still bring your records along and play them the same as you did before. You're not being asked to abandon vinyl here... just to accept the possibility that vinyl is not the end-all, be-all of mixed music. Please don't waste my time arguing practicalities like mp3s don't sound as good or computers crash! - and don't waste my time telling me vinyl is superior becuase it's what we've always used. So what? It's romantic notions like that that'll hold the music back and let it stagnate. Of course there's room to acknowledge the past, but there's also plenty of room to move forward... the problem with accepting new technology might be striking a balance between the two... but denying new technology because it's not what we've always used is not the solution. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Derrick May, eat my dust!
*LOL!* I just checked the mp3.com Detroit Techno charts today and found out that my track 'Say What?!' is on the 4th place! Don't see this as some shameless promotion... oh well.. what the heck ;-) Wow! And leaving good old Dicky May on the 10th place.. R. (Just sharing my moments of joy with you :) --- f:un[x]iun http://funxiun.2y.net http://www.mp3.com/scout303 ---
Re: [313] Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM?
c'mon people, do you really think hawtin and acquaviva would endorse (unofficially or not) a product that amounts to sitting behind your laptop? or that makes djing *less* of an art? Actually. Well I think again this comes back to how you define DJing and what you expect to experience. I think Hawtin places value purely on the sonic aspects, right, that could be why I never feel him as a punter. He doesn't have the physical presence of, say, Stacey Pullen, who you really feel, he communicates in a variety of ways. So I think it's quite possible that Hawtin could sit behind a laptop and if it were challenging enough technically (as I believe he would want to be) then sure he might endorse it. But it would lose me. It would be too clinical, too technical. I guess I've always loved RB/soul, so it could be that is why I value presence and performance and that kind of projection. It's not a technical thing.
Re: THE WIZARD-Jeff Mills-MARCH 1
THE WIZARD-- JEFF MILLS Thursday, MARCH 1, 2001 Why is this event being held on a Thursday night, thus effectively shutting out pretty much everyone who doesn't live in Detroit that doesn't have 2 vacation days to burn in order to go to it? (Not to mention all the peeps that won't go 'cos it's a work night/school night) Geez, and here I was just about to go to Expedia and book a flight, too ... Sigh. :-( - Greg (Technotourist, West Coast division - next stop, Sydney March 11)
Re: [313] A.E.S.
I got an old Tresor 12 a couple of days ago, which the label says is a sampler for a compilation called 'Detroit Techno Soul'. It's dated 93 I think. There are four tunes on it, including one by Shake, and there all worthwhile listens but one tune really stands out, it's called Music In My Head by A.E.S. Does anyone have any more info about the producer? It is an alias?...have they done anything else?? cos that tune has been making the last few miserable wintery, freezing cold days almost a pleasure. Cheers Chris a.e.s. are art forest, eddie fowlkes and santonio echols. 'music in my head' is taken from the detroit technosoul cd compilation. it was operated by eddie flashin' fowlkes for tresor, back in the underrated techno soul days around 1992-93 besides the 12 sampler from detroit technosoul album on tresor, there was a 12 out on pow-wow (a ny based label) with on a side three different mixes of music in my head. the b side features three different mixes of macro by eddie fowlkes, a track also feature on the compilation. to my knowledge it's one of the rare collaboration featuring art forest, eddie fowlkes and santonio echols all together. there were some 12 and tracks in the same vein on such labels as made in detroit, eff records (one of eddie's labels), cyren america (santonio's label) or alf records (art's label). some sounds dated, but others are underrated classics. santonio and art forest did some great stuff on cyren america. i think it's time to have a real talk about contribution of such labels as cyren america, eff records, serious grooves or artists as eddie flashin' fowlkes, santonio, art forest to 313 sound!!! 20001 time for a techno soul revival ? :) disk.system http://www.d2b.org/EAR
Birth of 313TechKnow
Hey 313ers, Quick announcement and invitation: The Tech-Gear list seems to have drifted away; this was an eGroups list with 313 music production techniques as the main focus. I was going to take over Tech-Gear as moderator, but apparently it was taken down before I got a response. Reason being that the active community just wasn't large enough. However, I think that list was a great idea, so a new list has been created to provide 313 producers, both novice and experienced, with a place to talk about specific production techniques, reviews of gear, etc. If you produce your own music and want to share ideas or get tips from other musicians, this is the place to do it. If you've ever wanted to start making your own detroit-style tracks and don't know where to begin, this is a great opportunity. I'm hoping to make 313TechKnow the perfect compliment to our list here at hyperreal. 313@hyperreal.org deals with the music we love; [EMAIL PROTECTED] will deal with how to make it. I'm going to keep an active role as moderator to ensure that all posts are 313 relevant so no one will have to deal with candy-ravers asking how to make Goa trance from their cracked copy of ReBirth =] That in mind however, the list will be still be open minded in styles; trying to enlist members with interests in everything from hard UR-style electro to the deep dubby minimal sounds coming out of berlin. Anyway, I would love to establish a strong community for the list, so if you are interested please subscribe. I'm going to do my best to recruit members with a throrough knowledge base about 313-related production techniques. http://www.egroups.com/group/313techknow GYS set.go.recordings
Re: [313] Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM?
What I am saying is that when an artist is executing their craft they are materializing their conceptual idea through expresion. they choose what others see or hear. That does not mean that every individual feels the same way as the artists does, but only that everyone is exposed to the artists output. then in turn every individual makes up their own mind as to what the artist is saying and is effected by that message. that is IMO why music is so amazing. One song can mean a million different things to a million differnent people even though they are listening to the same song peace mg darw_n [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/22/01 05:49PM Art in all forms is about expression. Expression by whom?? darw_n create, demonstrate, toneshift... search for djdarwin on napster www.sphereproductions.com www.mannequinodd.com www.mp3.com/darw_n - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Matthew Gerbasi |l| MediaVest Detroit |l| 248-458-8567|l| [EMAIL PROTECTED] aka [EMAIL PROTECTED] presently your future is history -- Basi
Re: [313] Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM?
I can see why John Aquaviva uses this program.It was the booking agent for Tresor club, A. Oldham, and me...we jumped into a black stationwagon to pick up Aquaviva from the Berlin-Tegel airport during Love Parade weekend. He was to play that night at Tresor and he had a MOTHERLOAD of records with him. Like four crates, all piled up on the cart, so I can definitely see what he uses it. =) G l y p h In a message dated 1/22/01 8:47:07 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: on one hand, the relief of not carrying about 80+ extra lbs while traveling is understood BUT personally, I have to side with the artform arguement. Seeing a set being pieced together with records and the DJ making the set come together is part of the thrill and artform. It seems we're getting too comfy with this laptop thing- as in the same vein with live PAs. to compare it to art, lets say. its the difference between watching a painter mix the paints and seeing the painting come together with the brush strokes piecing together a visually pleasing result. or watching a painter taking already prepaired elements and just taping them properly to the canvas. blahblahblahitsmonday diana
Re: [313] Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM?
getting off topic, and i honestly don't say this in some kind of bullsh*t i'm-from-detroit kinda way, but until you've seen rich at a Small Detroit Event, 5:00am, sweat pouring down the walls, no lights on, the whole room erupting, you haven't seen him. what he does at events around the world, that i've seen, is certainly great, but it's not the same. rightly so. true enough about the physicality of stacey (totally fun), and i know rich also has a more clinical side/reputation, so maybe what you say about the laptop is true. but having seen several plastikman live shows, i kinda doubt it. from what i can gather however, this is not a sit-behind-the-laptop proposition. and considering that rich has referred to this as the death of vinyl, i'll be really interested to see what happens. btw - none of this degrades the 'entertainment' (for lack of a better word) value of djs like stacey. i love to see stacey, derrick carter, claude.. people who really get physically into it. and it's always cracked me up how acquaviva can have the room going OFF and he looks like he's reading the newspaper... ;) --Original Message-- From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: January 22, 2001 7:16:07 PM GMT Subject: Re: [313] Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM? c'mon people, do you really think hawtin and acquaviva would endorse (unofficially or not) a product that amounts to sitting behind your laptop? or that makes djing *less* of an art? Actually. Well I think again this comes back to how you define DJing and what you expect to experience. I think Hawtin places value purely on the sonic aspects, right, that could be why I never feel him as a punter. He doesn't have the physical presence of, say, Stacey Pullen, who you really feel, he communicates in a variety of ways. So I think it's quite possible that Hawtin could sit behind a laptop and if it were challenging enough technically (as I believe he would want to be) then sure he might endorse it. But it would lose me. It would be too clinical, too technical. I guess I've always loved RB/soul, so it could be that is why I value presence and performance and that kind of projection. It's not a technical thing. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM?
That could well be true. But I have spoken to people from Detroit who have said similiar things. I am not sure about the word entertainment, that is kinda reductive and dismissive, to me anyway. It's artistry but a different manifestation of it. getting off topic, and i honestly don't say this in some kind of bullsh*t i'm-from-detroit kinda way, but until you've seen rich at a Small Detroit Event, 5:00am, sweat pouring down the walls, no lights on, the whole room erupting, you haven't seen him. what he does at events around the world, that i've seen, is certainly great, but it's not the same. rightly so. true enough about the physicality of stacey (totally fun), and i know rich also has a more clinical side/reputation, so maybe what you say about the laptop is true. but having seen several plastikman live shows, i kinda doubt it. from what i can gather however, this is not a sit-behind-the-laptop proposition. and considering that rich has referred to this as the death of vinyl, i'll be really interested to see what happens. btw - none of this degrades the 'entertainment' (for lack of a better word) value of djs like stacey. i love to see stacey, derrick carter, claude.. people who really get physically into it. and it's always cracked me up how acquaviva can have the room going OFF and he looks like he's reading the newspaper... ;)
Re: [313] Titonton @ Betalounge, 25th Jan 2001 8pm (PT)
Anna is an SF DJ who also plays with 1200 Hobos and the Future Primitive Soundsessions crew. Hip-hop etc... -ian. At 4:53 PM + 1/22/01, et machina wrote: *Titonton Duvante on Betalounge* and someone called Dj Anna (who I've never heard of) could this be dj ana dane? of metro area [flute] and main chica at environ..? if so, def should be quality stuff... j _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM?
agreed. should have chosen a different word... --Original Message-- From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: January 22, 2001 8:19:16 PM GMT Subject: Re: [313] Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM? That could well be true. But I have spoken to people from Detroit who have said similiar things. I am not sure about the word entertainment, that is kinda reductive and dismissive, to me anyway. It's artistry but a different manifestation of it. getting off topic, and i honestly don't say this in some kind of bullsh*t i'm-from-detroit kinda way, but until you've seen rich at a Small Detroit Event, 5:00am, sweat pouring down the walls, no lights on, the whole room erupting, you haven't seen him. what he does at events around the world, that i've seen, is certainly great, but it's not the same. rightly so. true enough about the physicality of stacey (totally fun), and i know rich also has a more clinical side/reputation, so maybe what you say about the laptop is true. but having seen several plastikman live shows, i kinda doubt it. from what i can gather however, this is not a sit-behind-the-laptop proposition. and considering that rich has referred to this as the death of vinyl, i'll be really interested to see what happens. btw - none of this degrades the 'entertainment' (for lack of a better word) value of djs like stacey. i love to see stacey, derrick carter, claude.. people who really get physically into it. and it's always cracked me up how acquaviva can have the room going OFF and he looks like he's reading the newspaper... ;) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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anyone wanting to hookup in Sydney call the New Hampshire Hotel. I will be staying there for the next three days. they may not have my room booked under my name because of the booking company that did it, but i will check for messages at the front desk. Just say you are leaving a message for Jeff Richards. I'm there, no matter what the front desk people say. I am looking for all things dealing with techno and house to do for the night life. day time may be taken by my girlfriend :) JEFF!
RE: [313] Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM?
humans by nature resist change. they would rather stick to something that feels familiar. Especially if it comes to things that are material. Or a way of keeping time. people become very defensive when it comes to change. I am not saying that this MP3 thing is good or bad. I don't know since my only exposure to it is through this meduim. I don't think that people will take kindly to it, especially the old schoolers. The people at +8 are always looking for new and exciting things. I believe that this is something that may get dropped rather quickly by Richie. As for John, I don't know. I really don't know much about the guy other then the fact that he has one of the largest record collections of anyone i have ever heard of. I don't think that someone like him would have their performance hurt by something like this. I believe that he has such a vast knowlege of music and he knows how to read a crowd well enough to keep spontanaity in his sets. I am sure his computer has so many tracks loaded into it that he could play a different set every night and not repeat a track for a couple of years (slight exaggeration)...But I don't think that someone like Derrick May would resort to this. He is a purist. plain and simple. and i think all purists stick to what they know. The people who came up with this idea are not evil for wanting change, they just had an idea and want it to work. No one should be angry with the people who think change is a good thing. sometimes it is. but in my eyes today, i can't see this working. the way computer technology has been going for the past 5 years MP3's will become outdated in the next 2 years. there will be a new file format and it will have DVD quality sound. and no one will want to use the present format anymore. vinyl has stood the test of time, and it isn't going to disappear anytime soon. JEFF! -Original Message- From: Nick Walsh [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 4:54 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM? The smell of brand new vinyl out of the sleeve, the crackle of the record under the needle... there's something spiritual and special about vinyl that no other media can replicate... Old vinyl especially. I don't want your stupid toy... Who cares about the future... time and forces move around and come back on themselves... just because something is new, doesn't make it good...
RE: [313] Digital Jockey vs. Disc Jockey (was: Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM?)
how??? KISS has a great presence...why not ask them. its all about your personality. as long as you acknowlege people and don't sit there and stare at a comuter screen all night. just like I don't like watching DJ's that stare at thier records all night. but then again, not everyone can be as entertaining as T-1000. JEFF! -Original Message- From: Cyclone Wehner [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 9:18 AM To: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: [313] Digital Jockey vs. Disc Jockey (was: Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM?) I totally agree, but what I'm saying is that you can have presence with equipment other than turntables. How? It would have to be something that demands some kind of physicality. (Great debate by the way.) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM?
Sorry my friend :0 expression is to art what O2 is for fire etc etc If you don't express, nothing will come out in any form unless you also call that a expression but then again to prove there is white swan, you have to prove there is black one too anyway just old 2 liner :0 n.v. finding forester :0)) good one - Original Message - From: JARED WILSON [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [313] Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM? Art in all forms is about expression. I would have to disagree. That is a very modernistic view of art. Jared Wilson FTM Records From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM? Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 03:01:17 +1100 Very nicely stated. Art in all forms is about expression. Moods emotions that an artform creates are different in each individual. Regardless of what the means are that are used to reach the musical end. what is created is what matters. (plagerisism aside) technological advancement is not the problem. The problem starts when quality and authentisity are compromised for laziness and lack of skill.IMO - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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I miss the incredible sounds of frankfurt that were prevalent in the early 90s.. working on a retrospective http://www.vinyl.vg/frankfurt eventually I hope to make this page an archive of information and tunes on the entire FFM scene long live harthouse mad wax | vinyl groove http://www.vinyl.vg/mad_wax
RE: [313] A.E.S.
santonio and art forest did some great stuff on cyren america. i think it's time to have a real talk about contribution of such labels as cyren america, eff records, serious grooves or artists as eddie flashin' fowlkes, santonio, art forest to 313 sound!!! i've an record on express records [007 - 1990] produced by art forest. it's by mc-x, 2 tracks 'theme song' and the m.l. king sampling 'all men are created equal'. if anyone wants it - 5 dollars postage and it's yours. cheers simon ** Commonwealth Bank of Australia (ABN 48 123 123 124) **
Re: [313] Re: THE WIZARD-Jeff Mills-MARCH 1
Sorry E, Detroit not being a venue rich city, not to mention that all the decent sized LEGAL venues are owned by SFX (large corporate entertainment monopoly currently being investigated by the US government) coupled with Mr. Mills' time and availability necessitated this event being held on a thursday night. Anyhoo, since when did a weeknight thaing detract from a righteous party??? It's the Wizardwork it out wif da boss, bra!!! Peace, LG From: Greg Earle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Re: THE WIZARD-Jeff Mills-MARCH 1 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:41:58 -0800 THE WIZARD-- JEFF MILLS Thursday, MARCH 1, 2001 Why is this event being held on a Thursday night, thus effectively shutting out pretty much everyone who doesn't live in Detroit that doesn't have 2 vacation days to burn in order to go to it? (Not to mention all the peeps that won't go 'cos it's a work night/school night) Geez, and here I was just about to go to Expedia and book a flight, too ... Sigh. :-( - Greg (Technotourist, West Coast division - next stop, Sydney March 11) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] Re: THE WIZARD-Jeff Mills-MARCH 1
Sorry E, Detroit not being a venue rich city, not to mention that all the decent sized LEGAL venues are owned by SFX (large corporate entertainment monopoly currently being investigated by the US government) coupled with Mr. Mills' time and availability necessitated this event being held on a thursday night. Anyhoo, since when did a weeknight thaing detract from a righteous party??? It's the Wizardwork it out wif da boss, bra!!! Peace, LG From: Greg Earle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Re: THE WIZARD-Jeff Mills-MARCH 1 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 11:41:58 -0800 THE WIZARD-- JEFF MILLS Thursday, MARCH 1, 2001 Why is this event being held on a Thursday night, thus effectively shutting out pretty much everyone who doesn't live in Detroit that doesn't have 2 vacation days to burn in order to go to it? (Not to mention all the peeps that won't go 'cos it's a work night/school night) Geez, and here I was just about to go to Expedia and book a flight, too ... Sigh. :-( - Greg (Technotourist, West Coast division - next stop, Sydney March 11) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] Future of DJ'ing, also anyone at MIDEM?
there will be a new file format and it will have DVD quality sound. DIVX;), MPEG7?? darw_n create, demonstrate, toneshift... search for djdarwin on napster www.sphereproductions.com www.mannequinodd.com www.mp3.com/darw_n
