Re: [313] domu+archive+neroli

2002-01-08 Thread enrico crivellaro

---you'll find the latest news about the neroli and
archive releases on www.neroli.it

thanx

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[313] WDET Top picks for 2001 and Top 300 Detroit artists

2002-01-08 Thread Otto

Ummm, what the subject header says :)
http://wdetfm.org/content/special_feature.php

I'm sure there's plenty of house and techno artists that are not on the 
list, but people here feel *should* be on the list, but in any case it's 
good to see Terrence Parker being mentioned (even if it is as a 'Techno DJ 
 Producer' and not 'House DJ  Producer').


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[313] test - ignore this

2002-01-08 Thread Micael Forsberg



[313] every dog vol 3

2002-01-08 Thread Jason Donnelly

on the most recent Bent Crayon mailout:


 MILLSART: Every Dog Has Its Day Vol. 3 2x12 (AXIS).  In time, all
 wrongdoings are eligible for correction. Even in the eye of a storm, we
 must endure the invalid as a objective fragment in the existence of
 mankind. Effortlessly, time passes over and onto, without you and without
 us. On it, we mark the acceptance of the new with the chance to begin
 again
 and give away the hand of the past, free of unadmissibles. Those who are
 punctual are thieves of time. Robbing from reserves of time that have been

 designated for nothing. In time, time tells truths or at least the truths
 you've been waiting for. Time is the oldest living thing we own. Its rate
 of speed is constant and in all, infinite. Some never have enough time,
 which are those people that are quick to reconize those who waste it. Is
 time or is it not? It has been said that seconds, minutes, hours, days,
 weeks, months, years, decades and centuries are just about all the average

 human can imagine and plan for. Millsart believes not. All that is needed
 to calculate is that 'one of these days is none of these days'. Now that
 you've read this, please be advised that Every Dog Has Its Day.


jason



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Re: [313] every dog vol 3

2002-01-08 Thread Alastair_Jones

Makes no sense whatsoever.
Unfortunately Mills influenced a whole generation of producers to put this
sort of gibberish on the back of their album sleeves.




Jason Donnelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 08/01/2002 11:26:30 AM

To:   313@hyperreal.org
cc:

Subject:  [313] every dog vol 3


on the most recent Bent Crayon mailout:

  MILLSART: Every Dog Has Its Day Vol. 3 2x12 (AXIS).  In time, all
  wrongdoings are eligible for correction. Even in the eye of a storm, we
  must endure the invalid as a objective fragment in the existence of
  mankind. Effortlessly, time passes over and onto, without you and
without
  us. On it, we mark the acceptance of the new with the chance to begin
  again
  and give away the hand of the past, free of unadmissibles. Those who
are
  punctual are thieves of time. Robbing from reserves of time that have
been
 
  designated for nothing. In time, time tells truths or at least the
truths
  you've been waiting for. Time is the oldest living thing we own. Its
rate
  of speed is constant and in all, infinite. Some never have enough time,
  which are those people that are quick to reconize those who waste it.
Is
  time or is it not? It has been said that seconds, minutes, hours, days,
  weeks, months, years, decades and centuries are just about all the
average
 
  human can imagine and plan for. Millsart believes not. All that is
needed
  to calculate is that 'one of these days is none of these days'. Now
that
  you've read this, please be advised that Every Dog Has Its Day.

jason



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Re: [313] every dog vol 3

2002-01-08 Thread robin pinning

 
 Makes no sense whatsoever.

i thought that, but then i thought maybe it was a zen trick to empty your
mind.

 Unfortunately Mills influenced a whole generation of producers to put this
 sort of gibberish on the back of their album sleeves.

what would you rather be written?

hmm i think we (313) may have had this discussion before. :)


robin...

   MILLSART: Every Dog Has Its Day Vol. 3 2x12 (AXIS).  In time, all
   wrongdoings are eligible for correction. Even in the eye of a storm, we
   must endure the invalid as a objective fragment in the existence of
   mankind. Effortlessly, time passes over and onto, without you and
 without
   us. On it, we mark the acceptance of the new with the chance to begin
   again
   and give away the hand of the past, free of unadmissibles. Those who
 are
   punctual are thieves of time. Robbing from reserves of time that have
 been
  
   designated for nothing. In time, time tells truths or at least the
 truths
   you've been waiting for. Time is the oldest living thing we own. Its
 rate
   of speed is constant and in all, infinite. Some never have enough time,
   which are those people that are quick to reconize those who waste it.
 Is
   time or is it not? It has been said that seconds, minutes, hours, days,
   weeks, months, years, decades and centuries are just about all the
 average
  
   human can imagine and plan for. Millsart believes not. All that is
 needed
   to calculate is that 'one of these days is none of these days'. Now
 that
   you've read this, please be advised that Every Dog Has Its Day.
 


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FW: [313] every dog vol 3

2002-01-08 Thread Odeluga, Ken

Great music, but I wish someone would deal with his grammar before
publishing his notes. It's embarrassing. Might be due to the fact that
they're usually put out by companies in countries where English is language
II ...

-Original Message-
From: Jason Donnelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 11:27 AM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: [313] every dog vol 3


on the most recent Bent Crayon mailout:

  MILLSART: Every Dog Has Its Day Vol. 3 2x12 (AXIS).  In time, all
  wrongdoings are eligible for correction. Even in the eye of a storm, we
  must endure the invalid as a objective fragment in the existence of
  mankind. Effortlessly, time passes over and onto, without you
and without
  us. On it, we mark the acceptance of the new with the chance to begin
  again
  and give away the hand of the past, free of unadmissibles.
Those who are
  punctual are thieves of time. Robbing from reserves of time
that have been
 
  designated for nothing. In time, time tells truths or at least
the truths
  you've been waiting for. Time is the oldest living thing we
own. Its rate
  of speed is constant and in all, infinite. Some never have enough time,
  which are those people that are quick to reconize those who
waste it. Is
  time or is it not? It has been said that seconds, minutes, hours, days,
  weeks, months, years, decades and centuries are just about all
the average
 
  human can imagine and plan for. Millsart believes not. All
that is needed
  to calculate is that 'one of these days is none of these
days'. Now that
  you've read this, please be advised that Every Dog Has Its Day.

jason



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Re: [313] every dog vol 3

2002-01-08 Thread Alastair_Jones

Yes, I think that we have been here before.
Am I the only one who gets slightly irritated by people thanking God for
their musical abilities? It's completely unnecessary. Besides, what the
lord giveth, the lord taketh away.




robin pinning [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 08/01/2002 11:45:11 AM

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 Makes no sense whatsoever.

i thought that, but then i thought maybe it was a zen trick to empty your
mind.

 Unfortunately Mills influenced a whole generation of producers to put
this
 sort of gibberish on the back of their album sleeves.

what would you rather be written?

hmm i think we (313) may have had this discussion before. :)


robin...

   MILLSART: Every Dog Has Its Day Vol. 3 2x12 (AXIS).  In time, all
   wrongdoings are eligible for correction. Even in the eye of a storm,
we
   must endure the invalid as a objective fragment in the existence of
   mankind. Effortlessly, time passes over and onto, without you and
 without
   us. On it, we mark the acceptance of the new with the chance to begin
   again
   and give away the hand of the past, free of unadmissibles. Those who
 are
   punctual are thieves of time. Robbing from reserves of time that have
 been
  
   designated for nothing. In time, time tells truths or at least the
 truths
   you've been waiting for. Time is the oldest living thing we own. Its
 rate
   of speed is constant and in all, infinite. Some never have enough
time,
   which are those people that are quick to reconize those who waste it.
 Is
   time or is it not? It has been said that seconds, minutes, hours,
days,
   weeks, months, years, decades and centuries are just about all the
 average
  
   human can imagine and plan for. Millsart believes not. All that is
 needed
   to calculate is that 'one of these days is none of these days'. Now
 that
   you've read this, please be advised that Every Dog Has Its Day.











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RE: [313] every dog vol 3

2002-01-08 Thread Odeluga, Ken
Here's one I'll never forget: Blake Baxter presents '313' (Tresor, '96)
Detroit as a city is a forgotten place but it can develop a new urban
role... (or very close). That's Detroit as a city mind, not as a pumpkin.

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Makes no sense whatsoever.
Unfortunately Mills influenced a whole generation of producers to put this
sort of gibberish on the back of their album sleeves.




Jason Donnelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 08/01/2002 11:26:30 AM

To:   313@hyperreal.org
cc:

Subject:  [313] every dog vol 3


on the most recent Bent Crayon mailout:

  MILLSART: Every Dog Has Its Day Vol. 3 2x12 (AXIS).  In time, all
  wrongdoings are eligible for correction. Even in the eye of a storm, we
  must endure the invalid as a objective fragment in the existence of
  mankind. Effortlessly, time passes over and onto, without you and
without
  us. On it, we mark the acceptance of the new with the chance to begin
  again
  and give away the hand of the past, free of unadmissibles. Those who
are
  punctual are thieves of time. Robbing from reserves of time that have
been
 
  designated for nothing. In time, time tells truths or at least the
truths
  you've been waiting for. Time is the oldest living thing we own. Its
rate
  of speed is constant and in all, infinite. Some never have enough time,
  which are those people that are quick to reconize those who waste it.
Is
  time or is it not? It has been said that seconds, minutes, hours, days,
  weeks, months, years, decades and centuries are just about all the
average
 
  human can imagine and plan for. Millsart believes not. All that is
needed
  to calculate is that 'one of these days is none of these days'. Now
that
  you've read this, please be advised that Every Dog Has Its Day.

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RE: [313] every dog vol 3

2002-01-08 Thread robin pinning

 Here's one I'll never forget: Blake Baxter presents '313' (Tresor, '96)
 Detroit as a city is a forgotten place but it can develop a new urban
 role... (or very close). 

That's Detroit as a city mind, not as a pumpkin.

not as a state of mind? :)

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RE: [313] every dog vol 3

2002-01-08 Thread Odeluga, Ken
Very good.

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Subject: RE: [313] every dog vol 3



 Here's one I'll never forget: Blake Baxter presents '313' (Tresor, '96)
 Detroit as a city is a forgotten place but it can develop a new urban
 role... (or very close). 

That's Detroit as a city mind, not as a pumpkin.

not as a state of mind? :)

robin...


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Re: [313] every dog vol 3

2002-01-08 Thread Alastair_Jones

I wasn't suggesting insincerity, just that if you believe in God (or a god)
then it's between you and him, and there's no need to hand out the credits.
Bit like a over-long Oscars acceptance speech.




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 Yes, I think that we have been here before.
 Am I the only one who gets slightly irritated by people thanking God for
 their musical abilities? It's completely unnecessary. Besides, what the
 lord giveth, the lord taketh away.

it only irritates me if it seems insincere (cos eveyone does it to seem
deep that particular artist does too), i guess if it's heartfelt then i
don't mind. how you can tell if it's sincere or not i don't know :)

robin...










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Re: [313] every dog vol 3

2002-01-08 Thread T . J . Johnson
Well, since others are throwing around their opinions about this, I guess I'll 
toss mine out there.  I enjoy writings like this.  The concept of time and its 
existence have perplexed intelligent minds for forever (if forever exists).  
Without time there is no forever and with forever there is no need for time.  
Without forever there is time.  If time exists, who created it--man or greater? 
 What is the definition of existence?  Does this email exist?  Prove it!

I know this sounds like a bunch of ranting about nothing, but topics such as 
this are interesting to me and many other people  :)


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Re: [313] every dog vol 3

2002-01-08 Thread T . J . Johnson
The grammar isn't to the point where it bothers me.I'd have to read it 
directly from the record and not Jason's retyping it to actually analyze it 
though.  Maybe Jeff should hire an editor to fend off grammatical analysts!  ;)

On Tue, 08 January 2002, robin pinning wrote:

 
 
  Well, since others are throwing around their opinions about this, I
 guess I'll toss mine out there.  I enjoy writings like this.  The concept
 of time and its existence have perplexed intelligent minds for forever
 (if forever exists).  Without time there is no forever and with forever
 there is no need for time.  Without forever there is time.  If time
 exists, who created it--man or greater?  What is the definition of
 existence?  Does this email exist?  Prove it!
 
 :)
 
  
  I know this sounds like a bunch of ranting about nothing, but topics such 
  as this are interesting to me and many other people  :)
 
 
 i'm with you, i think the grammer on mills stuff is a little irritating
 but i guess that must be deliberate.
 
 robin...

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[313] every dog vol 3

2002-01-08 Thread Jason Donnelly
meant to say before everyone on the list hits the bent crayon site for a 
copy, 'every dog vol 3' was listed in the 'forth coming titles' section, so 
you might want to pre-order with John C to avoid the rush when its 
eventually released.


also worth a mention, and ready to ship is:

MR FINGERS: Amnesia 2LP (JACK TRAX). UK reissue of this Chicago house 
classic, originally issued in 1988; licensed from Trax, in original color 
sleeve. The classic Mr Fingers LP featuring all his finest early works. 
Tracklisting: A1 Can You Feel It, A2 Washing Machine, A3 Beyond The Clouds, 
B1 Slam Dance, B2 Stars, B3 Waterfalls, C1 Lets Dance All Night, C2 Bye 
Bye, C3 For So Long, D1 Amnesia, D2 Mystery Of Love, D3 The Juice. 16.99


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[313] [MELBOURNE] HEADSPACE 02 saturday 19th jan

2002-01-08 Thread Duncan Robertson
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H E A D S P A C E  02
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dj delayfrom 10:30pm - all night
$10 entry. $7 concession.
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bagsfor updates and discounts
toupee  filling the musical void for deep techno and
humdrum pure dub. A small cosy warehouse party.
zog

an apparat/zog joint production

more info at http://koan.net/headspace/
as it becomes available

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RE: [313] every dog vol 3

2002-01-08 Thread Odeluga, Ken
The grammar is not the point at all ... (but it is just as bad in the
origianl notes as in the transcript, I'm afraid) The point is whether we
really think Jeff is adding a great deal to the history of Western
philosophy with all this? Of course the validity of temporality (or not),
the beauty of the oppressed and rejected are noble topics and further, this
is not to suggest there's some sort of elitism about who can make a point or
write anything on a particular subject ... but at the end of the day (upon
which a dog will have his) facile, primary school sentiments are easily
recognisable as just that.

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [313] every dog vol 3


The grammar isn't to the point where it bothers me.I'd have to
read it directly from the record and not Jason's retyping it to
actually analyze it though.  Maybe Jeff should hire an editor to
fend off grammatical analysts!  ;)

On Tue, 08 January 2002, robin pinning wrote:



  Well, since others are throwing around their opinions about this, I
 guess I'll toss mine out there.  I enjoy writings like this.
The concept
 of time and its existence have perplexed intelligent minds for forever
 (if forever exists).  Without time there is no forever and with forever
 there is no need for time.  Without forever there is time.  If time
 exists, who created it--man or greater?  What is the definition of
 existence?  Does this email exist?  Prove it!

 :)

 
  I know this sounds like a bunch of ranting about nothing, but
topics such as this are interesting to me and many other people  :)


 i'm with you, i think the grammer on mills stuff is a little irritating
 but i guess that must be deliberate.

 robin...

TJ
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RE: [313] every dog vol 3

2002-01-08 Thread Odeluga, Ken
... The Everydog Has It's Day CD edition out on Musicman last year was a
different item?

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Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 1:42 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: [313] every dog vol 3


meant to say before everyone on the list hits the bent crayon site for a
copy, 'every dog vol 3' was listed in the 'forth coming titles'
section, so
you might want to pre-order with John C to avoid the rush when its
eventually released.

also worth a mention, and ready to ship is:

MR FINGERS: Amnesia 2LP (JACK TRAX). UK reissue of this Chicago house
classic, originally issued in 1988; licensed from Trax, in original color
sleeve. The classic Mr Fingers LP featuring all his finest early works.
Tracklisting: A1 Can You Feel It, A2 Washing Machine, A3 Beyond
The Clouds,
B1 Slam Dance, B2 Stars, B3 Waterfalls, C1 Lets Dance All Night, C2 Bye
Bye, C3 For So Long, D1 Amnesia, D2 Mystery Of Love, D3 The Juice. 16.99

jason


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RE: [313] every dog vol 3

2002-01-08 Thread robin pinning

 The grammar is not the point at all ... (but it is just as bad in the
 origianl notes as in the transcript, I'm afraid) The point is whether we
 really think Jeff is adding a great deal to the history of Western
 philosophy with all this? 

hmm, does that matter? the text JM provides is surely just setting the
stage for the music to follow. to get you in the right frame of mind to
get (grok) what JM wants you to take from the music.

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RE: [313] every dog vol 3

2002-01-08 Thread T . J . Johnson
On Tue, 08 January 2002, Odeluga, Ken wrote:

... but at the end of the day (upon
 which a dog will have his) facile, primary school sentiments are easily
 recognisable as just that.


Whoops!  Recognizable.  ;)

So the point is, that whoever recognizes Jeff's discussion topics are smarter 
than he is?  I don't get it.  I'm probably missing your point.  Anyways...

One good thing about Jeff's grammar:

He doesn't use a thesaurus when he writes.  He actually may, but what I'm 
actually trying to say is, he doesn't use huge words that only 4 people use on 
a regular basis, just to try to sound intelligent.  Grammar and vocabulary are 
not the only contributors to one's intelligence, as many of you know.  So, to 
try to pick apart someone's brain and basing an opinion about his/her 
intelligence on grammar and discussion topic choice is just as elementary as 
Jeff's discussions about time/space theories.  =)


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RE: [313] every dog vol 3

2002-01-08 Thread T . J . Johnson

 hmm, does that matter? the text JM provides is surely just setting the
 stage for the music to follow. to get you in the right frame of mind to
 get (grok) what JM wants you to take from the music.
 
 robin...

I agree whole-heartedly!  The text is there to try to get the listener into the 
same state of mind Jeff was in when he created the tracks, perhaps!  He does a 
great job too.  I don't think he is trying to prove to people how smart he 
thinks he is.  Duh!  I can't believe I just said Duh!  Remember that from 6th 
grade all you Gen-Xers?!?!?!  

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[313] Is there anyone who...

2002-01-08 Thread Micael Forsberg
...has a recordcompany on this list?

Maybe interested in releasing my music perhaps?
www.mp3.com/micaelforsberg

or maybe give me som comments about my music or recordlabels that might find
my music interesting.

Best regards
Micael Forsberg


Re: [313] every dog vol 3

2002-01-08 Thread Lester Kenyatta Spence
I've actually been thinking about offering my services as a liner notes
writer to detroit influenced artists.  Taking the liner notes from EVERY
DOG HAS ITS DAY away from the context of the album makes it even more
apparent that techno artists need real writers if they are serious about
taking their artform and making it into a long term life altering
movement.


peace
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Re: [313] every dog vol 3

2002-01-08 Thread allnight
time exists to organise the universe's knowlege

 -- Mensagem original ---

 De  : Jason Donnelly [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Para: 313@hyperreal.org
 Cc  :
 Data: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 11:26:30 +
 Assunto : [313] every dog vol 3

 on the most recent Bent Crayon mailout:

   MILLSART: Every Dog Has Its Day Vol. 3 2x12 (AXIS).  In time,
all
   wrongdoings are eligible for correction. Even in the eye of a
storm, we
   must endure the invalid as a objective fragment in the
existence of
   mankind. Effortlessly, time passes over and onto, without you
and without
   us. On it, we mark the acceptance of the new with the chance to
begin
   again
   and give away the hand of the past, free of unadmissibles.
Those who are
   punctual are thieves of time. Robbing from reserves of time
that have been
  
   designated for nothing. In time, time tells truths or at least
the truths
   you've been waiting for. Time is the oldest living thing we
own. Its rate
   of speed is constant and in all, infinite. Some never have
enough time,
   which are those people that are quick to reconize those who
waste it. Is
   time or is it not? It has been said that seconds, minutes,
hours, days,
   weeks, months, years, decades and centuries are just about all
the average
  
   human can imagine and plan for. Millsart believes not. All that
is needed
   to calculate is that 'one of these days is none of these days'.
Now that
   you've read this, please be advised that Every Dog Has Its Day.

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[313] Boston Area 313'ers

2002-01-08 Thread Giles Dickerson
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[313] RE: (313) every dog vol 3

2002-01-08 Thread Wibo.Lammerts
So what can we expect? Another 2 slabs of old, dusty tracks?

W

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on the most recent Bent Crayon mailout:


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Re: [313] every dog vol 3

2002-01-08 Thread Alastair_Jones

I don't think that musicians need writers to transform their work into
something that is more meaningful. Most music is equivocal, and it is this
that has imbued it with so much power and meaning throughout history. If an
artist wants some sort of narrative to their work, you'd expect that they
would be able to string a few sentences together themselves.





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I've actually been thinking about offering my services as a liner notes
writer to detroit influenced artists.  Taking the liner notes from EVERY
DOG HAS ITS DAY away from the context of the album makes it even more
apparent that techno artists need real writers if they are serious about
taking their artform and making it into a long term life altering
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peace
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Re: [313] every dog vol 3

2002-01-08 Thread Lester Kenyatta Spence
On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 I don't think that musicians need writers to transform their work into
 something that is more meaningful. Most music is equivocal, and it is this
 that has imbued it with so much power and meaning throughout history. If an
 artist wants some sort of narrative to their work, you'd expect that they
 would be able to string a few sentences together themselves.

Well yes and no.  The bottom line is that the music should speak for
itself...it really doesn't NEED notes right?  I've got the cd, and it
would've STILL been played at full blast for nine hours straight on the
way home from the demf, without the notes.

But if you're going to add another layer to it...why not use a WRITER?
This is the jazz model more or less...and it works.  Wynton Marsalis
doesn't write his liner notes...Stanley Crouch does.  Now in some cases
the artist is a qualified writer in his/her own rightbut I'd argue
that these cases are the minority.


peace
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Re: [313] every dog vol 3

2002-01-08 Thread neontsetse
what´s the problem ? 

interesting thoughts - written in a simple understandable way - 

don´t know if someone else would write down those thoughts - 

language will be moving along and the advanced definitions of how people 

should communicate - seperating the classes will be gone tommorow  

so why you worry about this ? 

m
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Re: [313] every dog vol 3

2002-01-08 Thread Alastair_Jones

Well, yes I see your point. The same could be said for classical music.
Very few musicians have presumed themselves to be good writers as well. But
as a music enthusiast, I am interested in how the music came about, not in
a set of imposed ideas about what the music means.
alastair




Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 08/01/2002 04:26:07 PM

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Subject:  Re: [313] every dog vol 3


On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 I don't think that musicians need writers to transform their work into
 something that is more meaningful. Most music is equivocal, and it is
this
 that has imbued it with so much power and meaning throughout history. If
an
 artist wants some sort of narrative to their work, you'd expect that they
 would be able to string a few sentences together themselves.

Well yes and no.  The bottom line is that the music should speak for
itself...it really doesn't NEED notes right?  I've got the cd, and it
would've STILL been played at full blast for nine hours straight on the
way home from the demf, without the notes.

But if you're going to add another layer to it...why not use a WRITER?
This is the jazz model more or less...and it works.  Wynton Marsalis
doesn't write his liner notes...Stanley Crouch does.  Now in some cases
the artist is a qualified writer in his/her own rightbut I'd argue
that these cases are the minority.


peace
lks


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Re: [313] every dog vol 3

2002-01-08 Thread james boylan
I think some people are slightly embarrassed by the futurist 
philosophy/mythology that sometimes informs techno and look upon it with the 
same disdain as punks did on some of the excesses of progressive rock, 
musical or otherwise.


Personally, I like some decorations, so to speak...be they heartfelt, 
insightful, tongue-in-cheek or just plain pretentious rubbish.


Its always intriguing at the very least.




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Subject: Re: [313] every dog vol 3
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 08:30:30 -0800


Well, yes I see your point. The same could be said for classical music.
Very few musicians have presumed themselves to be good writers as well. But
as a music enthusiast, I am interested in how the music came about, not in
a set of imposed ideas about what the music means.
alastair




Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 08/01/2002 04:26:07 PM

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Subject:  Re: [313] every dog vol 3


On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 I don't think that musicians need writers to transform their work into
 something that is more meaningful. Most music is equivocal, and it is
this
 that has imbued it with so much power and meaning throughout history. If
an
 artist wants some sort of narrative to their work, you'd expect that 
they

 would be able to string a few sentences together themselves.

Well yes and no.  The bottom line is that the music should speak for
itself...it really doesn't NEED notes right?  I've got the cd, and it
would've STILL been played at full blast for nine hours straight on the
way home from the demf, without the notes.

But if you're going to add another layer to it...why not use a WRITER?
This is the jazz model more or less...and it works.  Wynton Marsalis
doesn't write his liner notes...Stanley Crouch does.  Now in some cases
the artist is a qualified writer in his/her own rightbut I'd argue
that these cases are the minority.


peace
lks


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Re: [313] every dog vol 3

2002-01-08 Thread Lester Kenyatta Spence
On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, james boylan wrote:

 I think some people are slightly embarrassed by the futurist
 philosophy/mythology that sometimes informs techno and look upon it with the
 same disdain as punks did on some of the excesses of progressive rock,
 musical or otherwise.

You're right.

 Personally, I like some decorations, so to speak...be they heartfelt,
 insightful, tongue-in-cheek or just plain pretentious rubbish.

I do too.  I think it creates an overall vibe that I find enjoyable.

 Its always intriguing at the very least.

I just wish it were done better.


peace
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Re: [313] ericfiedel

2002-01-08 Thread circonium
armin wrote: 

 anyone heard the new eric and/or fiedel? comments?

you mean the smith  hack LP? 

when i heard it first i immediately thought: 
it's a _real_ cooperation of eric (errorsmith) and 
soundhack; a mixture of eric's rather experimental, 
harsh, sometimes industrial sounds, and soundhack's 
gorgeous cut-up disco/funk monster tracks __ the 
result is right in the middle of both. 

one or other of the tracks will work perfectly on the 
dancefloor; other tracks will make dancing people slow 
down and look confused. for me the music is just much 
fun to listen to, and i will love to play it here and there 
and see what happens :) 

see http://www.smith-n-hack.de/  
for more details and short mp3's. 

ines

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[313] Mills' improvisational grammar

2002-01-08 Thread Brian 'balistic' Prince
Currently between my shoulder blades:

Theories and subjects of substance is the elementary element
that fuels the minds within our axis.

If publicly wearing such word salad at least once a week
for three years isn't a sign of love I don't know what is . . .

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[313] test

2002-01-08 Thread Benjamin Cuthbert (Merch)


[313] Metropolis film soundtrack

2002-01-08 Thread Vince Woolums
I'm sure this was covered already

I got DVD copy of Metropolis, and want to synch up the Mills soundtrack to
the film.

The film is nearly 2 hours long, but the soundtrack is only 1 hour long.

Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance,

Vince Woolums


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RE: [313] Metropolis film soundtrack

2002-01-08 Thread Grammenos, Peter

Mills took his own cuts and snips of the movie and his version was only an
hour long. I don't think the Lang estate gave him the rights to put out his
version, yet anyway. Nor do I think they were entirely happy with the parts
he extended / cut out.

There's an article my g-friend and i wrote after the screening of metropolis
by mills here in nyc - http://www.pgeb.com/muzak/mills.html

-pete



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I'm sure this was covered already

I got DVD copy of Metropolis, and want to synch up the Mills soundtrack to
the film.

The film is nearly 2 hours long, but the soundtrack is only 1 hour long.

Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance,

Vince Woolums


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[313] test delete me

2002-01-08 Thread scotto you know

I said delete me

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Re: FW: [313] every dog vol 3

2002-01-08 Thread Kent williams
On Tue, 8 Jan 2002, Odeluga, Ken wrote:

 Great music, but I wish someone would deal with his grammar before
 publishing his notes. It's embarrassing. Might be due to the fact that
 they're usually put out by companies in countries where English is language
 II ...


Mills isn't stupid or illiterate. I've thought often I could punch up
his pronouncements, but I believe he's saying exactly what he means to say.
I thought his Every Dog 3 essay was actually pretty sneaky and clever.
He's talking as directly as he can about what, to my mind, is the central
theme of his music.

Just because someone's writing is difficult doesn't mean it's bad.  If you
want to deal with artists who are easy to understand, check out David Lee
Roth. If anyone wants me to annotate that little essay for them, I will.




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Re: [313] every dog vol 3

2002-01-08 Thread kurt(bway.net)

But if you're going to add another layer to it...why not use a WRITER?




I don't know that we're supposed to take it that seriously. I think 
it's just supposed to come off as whimsical stoned nonsense.


hire a copywriter, and then you just get *insincere* whimsical stoned 
nonsense. (please see backs of countless '60's psychedelic-era albums 
with 'hip' notes from the band's manager etc.)



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[313] every dog v3

2002-01-08 Thread Mike Taylor
It is not an issue of Jeff Mills intelligence, it is a matter of style and 
art. The problem that I have always had with his notes is that it is a 
second rate attempt to write like Buckminster Fuller. The difference is that 
Fuller had a distinct and somewhat confusing style of discourse because he 
wanted to convey a very specific objective message about his experiences in 
'universe'. Fuller's style might be harder to navigate at first, but once 
you understand the style it becomes a very elegant and direct way to 
communicate ideas.


Mills on the other hand, writes in a style that might very well appear to be 
similar, but utterly lacks the directness and efficiency. There are 
definitely good ideas and concepts there, but they are all garbled and 
hidden by the affected writing style. If he really wanted to communicate 
ideas, he would do it as simply and as directly as possible.


I have to agree with LKS on this one. If techno would like to be viewed as 
more than disposable culture, it really needs to properly curate itself. A 
good first step would be properly written liner notes that place the music 
in a historical context and provide a clear concept of what the music is 
about. Detroit does not have London and NYC to consistently lie about its 
cultural credibility through its mass media arms. There is no VH1 to pound 
the idea of the goodness and authenticity of Detroit in a way there is for 
classic rock. There will not be a Derrick May: Behind The Music in the US.


I have to agree with LKS. I have read his posts to 313 and Afro-Futurism 
over the years and he is usually right on the money. As far a liner-note 
writers go, you could do a lot worse than LKS.


Take care,
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[313] Track ID please

2002-01-08 Thread Arne Weinberg
Hello dear 313'lers

can anybody tell me which record Claude Young plays on the new Double Mix CD of 
Rok/Claude Young-Berlin,Detroit. It is number 10 of the Claude Young mix cd, 
right before he plays the Jeff Mills track.

Thanx in advance

Arne

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[313] changing subscriptions

2002-01-08 Thread kenneth taylor



hi everyone--

can someone tell me how to change email addresses for this list?  I'm having 
a ton of trouble resubscribing from a different account.


any help is good.

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Re: [313] every dog vol 3

2002-01-08 Thread :P


 The grammar is not the point at all ... (but it is just as bad in the
 origianl notes as in the transcript, I'm afraid) The point is whether we
 really think Jeff is adding a great deal to the history of Western
 philosophy with all this? Of course the validity of temporality (or not),
 the beauty of the oppressed and rejected are noble topics and further,
this
 is not to suggest there's some sort of elitism about who can make a point
or
 write anything on a particular subject ... but at the end of the day (upon
 which a dog will have his) facile, primary school sentiments are easily
 recognisable as just that.


If you buy CDs to be touched deep down inside by the liner notes, you will
most likely be disappointed.

if you want to read about time and space, get a book by carl sagan or
stephen hawking.  turn to mills when you want hard techno.

I personally think mills is being a bullshit artist because his writings
sound a lot like your average guy trying to project intelligence through
abstract CD liner rantings.

dont get me wrong, he can write whatever he wants on cds and records, and I
encourage him to do so.  I just know better than to waste my time reading
that wankery.

remember, time and space = stephen hawking, banging techno = mills.

I haven't slept in a while tho so I might just be grouchy :\


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Re: [313] changing subscriptions

2002-01-08 Thread Roland van Oorschot

At 21:27 8-1-02 +, kenneth taylor wrote:
can someone tell me how to change email addresses for this list?  I'm 
having a ton of trouble resubscribing from a different account.


The only way is:
- unsubscribe the old address
- subscribe the new address

On hyperreal there's no such tool like in Yahoogroups.
Or you should write the moderator of this list and ask him politly to 
change your e-mail address.


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Re: [313] every dog vol 3

2002-01-08 Thread Mad'R
whaaa

this is funny
I remember a quote from Drexcya about why they give that much interviews
(not)

it's to cult or not to cult

Mad'R

jullie zijn een stelletje droogkloten zonder dat je het zelf door hebt


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 I don't think that musicians need writers to transform their work into
 something that is more meaningful. Most music is equivocal, and it is this
 that has imbued it with so much power and meaning throughout history. If
an
 artist wants some sort of narrative to their work, you'd expect that they
 would be able to string a few sentences together themselves.





 Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 08/01/2002 04:03:44 PM

 To:   Jason Donnelly [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 cc:   313@hyperreal.org

 Subject:  Re: [313] every dog vol 3


 I've actually been thinking about offering my services as a liner notes
 writer to detroit influenced artists.  Taking the liner notes from EVERY
 DOG HAS ITS DAY away from the context of the album makes it even more
 apparent that techno artists need real writers if they are serious about
 taking their artform and making it into a long term life altering
 movement.


 peace
 lks




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Re: [313] every dog vol 3

2002-01-08 Thread Cyclone Wehner
It's usually sincerely meant. Why dhouldn't they? You don't have to read it,
right?
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Yes, I think that we have been here before.
Am I the only one who gets slightly irritated by people thanking God for
their musical abilities? It's completely unnecessary. Besides, what the
lord giveth, the lord taketh away.




robin pinning [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 08/01/2002 11:45:11 AM

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 Makes no sense whatsoever.

i thought that, but then i thought maybe it was a zen trick to empty your
mind.

 Unfortunately Mills influenced a whole generation of producers to put
this
 sort of gibberish on the back of their album sleeves.

what would you rather be written?

hmm i think we (313) may have had this discussion before. :)


robin...

   MILLSART: Every Dog Has Its Day Vol. 3 2x12 (AXIS).  In time, all
   wrongdoings are eligible for correction. Even in the eye of a storm,
we
   must endure the invalid as a objective fragment in the existence of
   mankind. Effortlessly, time passes over and onto, without you and
 without
   us. On it, we mark the acceptance of the new with the chance to begin
   again
   and give away the hand of the past, free of unadmissibles. Those who
 are
   punctual are thieves of time. Robbing from reserves of time that have
 been
  
   designated for nothing. In time, time tells truths or at least the
 truths
   you've been waiting for. Time is the oldest living thing we own. Its
 rate
   of speed is constant and in all, infinite. Some never have enough
time,
   which are those people that are quick to reconize those who waste it.
 Is
   time or is it not? It has been said that seconds, minutes, hours,
days,
   weeks, months, years, decades and centuries are just about all the
 average
  
   human can imagine and plan for. Millsart believes not. All that is
 needed
   to calculate is that 'one of these days is none of these days'. Now
 that
   you've read this, please be advised that Every Dog Has Its Day.











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Re: [313] every dog vol 3

2002-01-08 Thread Analog Headz
i am not saying nothing about mills. but sagen and hawking?
i would touch their stuff about time too.
martin heidegger -time and being sounds better. or henri Bergson.

*BTW*
i am really like the music mills but it got nothing to do with that.
A

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  The grammar is not the point at all ... (but it is just as bad in the
  origianl notes as in the transcript, I'm afraid) The point is whether we
  really think Jeff is adding a great deal to the history of Western
  philosophy with all this? Of course the validity of temporality (or
not),
  the beauty of the oppressed and rejected are noble topics and further,
 this
  is not to suggest there's some sort of elitism about who can make a
point
 or
  write anything on a particular subject ... but at the end of the day
(upon
  which a dog will have his) facile, primary school sentiments are easily
  recognisable as just that.


 If you buy CDs to be touched deep down inside by the liner notes, you will
 most likely be disappointed.

 if you want to read about time and space, get a book by carl sagan or
 stephen hawking.  turn to mills when you want hard techno.

 I personally think mills is being a bullshit artist because his writings
 sound a lot like your average guy trying to project intelligence through
 abstract CD liner rantings.

 dont get me wrong, he can write whatever he wants on cds and records, and
I
 encourage him to do so.  I just know better than to waste my time reading
 that wankery.

 remember, time and space = stephen hawking, banging techno = mills.

 I haven't slept in a while tho so I might just be grouchy :\


 -Joe


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Re: [313] Metropolis film soundtrack

2002-01-08 Thread Analog Headz
i don`t get how u can cut an hour from a film like metropolis
a
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 Mills took his own cuts and snips of the movie and his version was only an
 hour long. I don't think the Lang estate gave him the rights to put out
his
 version, yet anyway. Nor do I think they were entirely happy with the
parts
 he extended / cut out.

 There's an article my g-friend and i wrote after the screening of
metropolis
 by mills here in nyc - http://www.pgeb.com/muzak/mills.html

 -pete



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 I'm sure this was covered already

 I got DVD copy of Metropolis, and want to synch up the Mills soundtrack to
 the film.

 The film is nearly 2 hours long, but the soundtrack is only 1 hour long.

 Any suggestions?

 Thanks in advance,

 Vince Woolums


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Re: [313] Metropolis film soundtrack

2002-01-08 Thread Cyclone Wehner
As I understand it, they are making a longer version, so more music will be
composed. It was originally done for possibly playing at a party as a
backdrop. It works really well!

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i don`t get how u can cut an hour from a film like metropolis
a
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 Mills took his own cuts and snips of the movie and his version was only an
 hour long. I don't think the Lang estate gave him the rights to put out
his
 version, yet anyway. Nor do I think they were entirely happy with the
parts
 he extended / cut out.

 There's an article my g-friend and i wrote after the screening of
metropolis
 by mills here in nyc - http://www.pgeb.com/muzak/mills.html

 -pete



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 I'm sure this was covered already

 I got DVD copy of Metropolis, and want to synch up the Mills soundtrack to
 the film.

 The film is nearly 2 hours long, but the soundtrack is only 1 hour long.

 Any suggestions?

 Thanks in advance,

 Vince Woolums


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[313] Simple Request

2002-01-08 Thread Joel Fernandez
Greetings,

Where can I purchase a DEMF 2000 poster?  Any assistance would be greatly
appreciated.  Thanks in advance.

Ciao,

Joel Fernandez.


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Re: [313] Metropolis film soundtrack

2002-01-08 Thread Kao Jyan
there are a few versions of metropolis around (including a colored version).
i rented one that seemed to be maybe 1/2 hour longer than the cd.
and for the most part i could kinda figure out when the music was in time.
i thought the music was perfect for the movie too.
i remember mention a while ago that it was gonna get a dvd release but i
don't know if that's true or not.
kaojyan

 As I understand it, they are making a longer version, so more music will
be
 composed. It was originally done for possibly playing at a party as a
 backdrop. It works really well!




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Re: [313] Detroit club drug culture in UK press

2002-01-08 Thread s mcgill
Excuse me, don't you mean 'real football'?

Liverpool FC are hard as hell

;)

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Anyway, the good small record shops
are in the lower Haight -- Tweekin, Zebra, Open Mind -- and the cool bars
like the Top, Niki's and Mad Dog in the Fog, where the expatriates from
the UK and Ireland watch soccer (er, football) via satellite on the telly.


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