RE: [313] essential track id
: : -Original Message- : : From: Matthew MacQueen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : : Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 6:04 PM : : To: 313 mailing list : : Cc: Sean Creen; Maarten Baute : : Subject: RE: [313] essential track id : : : : : : George Krantz - Din Daa Daa snip : : Anyone know more about it? it shouldn't be played at 45 ;) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] carl craig + soulful dj's
But a few days later I saw him on a GAP billboard; how ironic. for what ? i don't get it ? is it because i stopped smoking pot or what ? anyway as a almost sick C2 follower I'll bet he plays disco, electro/italo, old house/techno, 80-ish stuff and new stuff covering all the mentioned before area's and problable will finish with his 'new' track which is kind of r'n'b-y %-) R. K. whose trying to catch up through 1900 mails (thank god for that yahoo - check all - delete button) np : legowelt - on a night train ;) __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] free herbert
not sure if I passed this on yet, but http://www.themechanicsofdestruction.org/ free herbert album. -Joe - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] another causality
A friend of mine has asked me to join him in doing a night of electroclash stuff - I told him I don't play that but I do play electro (yes there is a difference as far as I'm concerned). Now I've been quite split on the idea - do I play and risk getting lumped into the electroclash sh*t or do I play in hopes of turning some people on to Aux88, the Dexorcist, and abfahrt hinwil? I refuse to bend. MEK Otto [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org st.org cc: Subject: Re: [313] another causality 09/03/02 09:16 AM Cyclone wrote: Most of the press stories on it have contextualised electroclash so that people are reading about Drexciya, Model 500 and Cybotron, Sorry, but those are very few and far between. And *if* they are mentioned at all (I've never seen Drexciya or Model 500 mentioned, only Cybotron once, most of the time only Kraftwerk and/or Bambaataa get a nod), it's maybe as a quote from one of the artists that doesn't get followed up. You can count the journalists that wrote about electroca$h that are really knowledgable on one hand unfortunately. etc, whereas they have been written out of the narratives on electronica/trance/progressive, etc, and electroclash has an international scope of influence and reference (Germany - Kraftwerk to DJ Hell), US (Detroit, NY), UK (New Romantic groups) Not to mention Italian disco, German wave music and the whole The Hague scene. Pretty soon the UK and US influences will be sanitized away as well and we'll all be kneeling at the altar of Hell. Otto - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] another causality
dont forget anthony rother or volsoc :) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Otto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 10:30 PM Subject: Re: [313] another causality A friend of mine has asked me to join him in doing a night of electroclash stuff - I told him I don't play that but I do play electro (yes there is a difference as far as I'm concerned). Now I've been quite split on the idea - do I play and risk getting lumped into the electroclash sh*t or do I play in hopes of turning some people on to Aux88, the Dexorcist, and abfahrt hinwil? I refuse to bend. MEK Otto [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org st.org cc: Subject: Re: [313] another causality 09/03/02 09:16 AM Cyclone wrote: Most of the press stories on it have contextualised electroclash so that people are reading about Drexciya, Model 500 and Cybotron, Sorry, but those are very few and far between. And *if* they are mentioned at all (I've never seen Drexciya or Model 500 mentioned, only Cybotron once, most of the time only Kraftwerk and/or Bambaataa get a nod), it's maybe as a quote from one of the artists that doesn't get followed up. You can count the journalists that wrote about electroca$h that are really knowledgable on one hand unfortunately. etc, whereas they have been written out of the narratives on electronica/trance/progressive, etc, and electroclash has an international scope of influence and reference (Germany - Kraftwerk to DJ Hell), US (Detroit, NY), UK (New Romantic groups) Not to mention Italian disco, German wave music and the whole The Hague scene. Pretty soon the UK and US influences will be sanitized away as well and we'll all be kneeling at the altar of Hell. Otto - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Theo Parrish - Live In Detroit 99
Does anyone have a tracklisting for this? I specifically want to know what the tune is at about 17min30sec into it. It comes after a track with a vocal about 'Stars in your Eyes', and it sounds like Dave Clarke sampled it when he made Southside. Help. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] carl craig + soulful dj's
you saw carl craig on a GAP billboard? On Tue, 3 Sep 2002, MadR wrote: But a few days later I saw him on a GAP billboard; how ironic. for what ? i don't get it ? is it because i stopped smoking pot or what ? anyway as a almost sick C2 follower I'll bet he plays disco, electro/italo, old house/techno, 80-ish stuff and new stuff covering all the mentioned before area's and problable will finish with his 'new' track which is kind of r'n'b-y %-) R. K. whose trying to catch up through 1900 mails (thank god for that yahoo - check all - delete button) np : legowelt - on a night train ;) __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] carl craig + soulful dj's
Derrick May for Eastpak maybe, but C2 + GAP? -d On Tue, 3 Sep 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you saw carl craig on a GAP billboard? On Tue, 3 Sep 2002, MadR wrote: But a few days later I saw him on a GAP billboard; how ironic. for what ? i don't get it ? is it because i stopped smoking pot or what ? anyway as a almost sick C2 follower I'll bet he plays disco, electro/italo, old house/techno, 80-ish stuff and new stuff covering all the mentioned before area's and problable will finish with his 'new' track which is kind of r'n'b-y %-) R. K. whose trying to catch up through 1900 mails (thank god for that yahoo - check all - delete button) np : legowelt - on a night train ;) __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FW: [313] Questions for Carl Craig?
Matt MacQueen wrote: BTW, the reason for this feature is his new double mix CD forthcoming on React, 'The Workout', which no doubt listmembers Marsel, Otto and Fabrice will be well aware of as he's licensed tracks from all three of them. I know that he licensed a Duplex track, i.e. the Fabrice Lig remix of 'Meta', for it, but that was released on Clone, not on Keynote/Ground Zero (I released the 'Autosave' EP). Maybe that's the source of the confusion? OK I'm a week late to this thread, but has anyone seen or posted a final tracklist for this mix CD? SOunds right up my alley, can't wait! Here's what Marsel posted last week: double mix cd on react cd1 Coffee Shop Mike 'Musik' Digital Love G Flame 'Da Walls' Mix Connection Mr. G 'Flight' Phoenix G Flash 'Fix' KMS Productions Adult 'Hand 2 Phone' (Carl Craig Dub) Exclusive unreleased version Clone GusGus 'Your Moves Are Mine' Underwater Records Recloose 'Ain't Changin' (C's Dark Soul Update) Exclusive unreleased version !K7 Records Dave Angel 'Airborne' (Drums Suck Mix) Island Tres Demented 'Demented Drums' Not released as yet Planet E Moonstarr 'Greed' (Moonstarr Remix) Compost Records Ibex 'Oxygenate'Not released as yet Planet E Jah Wobble Bill Laswell 'Alsema Dub' (C2 Spiritual Dub) Exclusive unreleased version Palm Pictures Mathew Jonson 'She Is He' Itiswhatitis Recordings Magnat 'The Saga' (Mr. G's Qubed Mix) Qube Tres Demented 'Funkin The Drums' Not released as yet Planet E Anthony Shakir 'Sunrise' 7th City Todd Sines Natacha Bell 'Come Closer' (C2 remix) Not released as yet Planet E Stephen Brown 'Language' Transmat cd2 Carl Craig 'Experimento' Not released as yet Planet E Newworldaquarium 'Tresspassers' Delsin Records Terry Brooks 'Breaking Cycles' Deepart Records Soul Designer 'Emotional' F Communications Nuwalker 'Second Of September' Cheap Amp Fiddler 'Superficial' Genuine Bugge Wesseltoft 'Change' Jazzland Recordings Niko Marks 'Truly Something' (C's Dub) Exclusive unreleased version Planet E Urban Culture 'Wonders Of Wishing' KMS Productions Aardvarck 'Cult Copy' Rush Hour Niko Marks 'Chune' Not released as yet Planet E Syphon 'Trapped' Wave Music Duplex 'Meta' (Fabrice Lig Remix) Clone Max Mohr 'Tomty' Playhouse Mindlab 'Lick' (Neal White Mix) Salo Records System 7 'Civilization' A-Wave Records A lot of tracks on the Not released as yet label :) Cheers, Otto - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] another causality
Well it doesn't but realistically young listeners learn about music through a series of connections. I learnt about Miles Davis, Sly Stone and George Clinton, etc by listening to Prince as a kid and learning about what influenced him. Another generation learns about Marvin Gaye through liking D'Angelo. Purism can hurt music and, from my experiences, the listeners/hardcore fans are usually more elitist than the makers of the music. From: Ian Cheshire [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [313] another causality Date: 03/09/2002 20:04:21 To: 'Cyclone Wehner' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org But why should it take this electroclash for people to look at Model 500 , Drexicya etc? Surely anything is better than the same old progressive house and trance. Yeah TECHNO :0) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] jazzanova friday night in cleveland
so jazzanova is deejaying friday night in thieveland, im making the drive up from the burgh. anyone else going to be there? im pretty amped. tom andythepooh.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] another causality
Sorry, but as a media ho I collected all the big 'overview' stories on Electroclash last year in Seven and Musik and in Australia and all of those covered the history electro, and mentioned Juan, Cybotron and Drexciya. I was talking about general articles, not artist stories, which tend to be more artist-focussed. I have copies if you want to read them. I think it's ridiculous to attack DJ Hell personallyl. He has done his thing for years and he ALWAYS gives it up to others. The only reason for these sudden attacks is that he has (horror!) flirted with the pop world. I am certain that if suddenly Juan had a top 100 hit, and he has the talent to write one, or if Ashanti suddenly covered Model 500's Rain, and why not, it's a cool song, then there would be people on this list and in the 'underground' that would jump up and down all mad. A lot of fans/followers want this music to remain underground, despite their protests otherwise, as it's the cool alternative to the pop stuff they apparently despise! I am not singling out anyone but there is a general 'techno purist type' known world over who articulates these contradictions! Most of the press stories on it have contextualised electroclash so that people are reading about Drexciya, Model 500 and Cybotron, Sorry, but those are very few and far between. And *if* they are mentioned at all (I've never seen Drexciya or Model 500 mentioned, only Cybotron once, most of the time only Kraftwerk and/or Bambaataa get a nod), it's maybe as a quote from one of the artists that doesn't get followed up. You can count the journalists that wrote about electroca$h that are really knowledgable on one hand unfortunately. etc, whereas they have been written out of the narratives on electronica/trance/progressive, etc, and electroclash has an international scope of influence and reference (Germany - Kraftwerk to DJ Hell), US (Detroit, NY), UK (New Romantic groups) Not to mention Italian disco, German wave music and the whole The Hague scene. Pretty soon the UK and US influences will be sanitized away as well and we'll all be kneeling at the altar of Hell. Otto - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Theo Parrish - Live In Detroit 99
Does anyone have a tracklisting for this? There's a pretty complete one at http://www.twoplayer.net/theo/ I specifically want to know what the tune is at about 17min30sec into it. It comes after a track with a vocal about 'Stars in your Eyes', and it sounds like Dave Clarke sampled it when he made Southside. 'players association - hustlin' (first lp)' apparently... Cheers, Tom - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] which dj invented + 15
Hi peepz Who was the first dj to modify there turntables to plus 15? Was it the wizard or John Acquaviva or... Thanx Sam __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] brubaker
that's the usual suspects, ford broom there's only this 12 by them under this monicker - Original Message - From: Matthew MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] org [The Music Institute] (E-mail) 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 6:09 PM Subject: [313] brubaker Who is responsible for the Brubaker tracks on Ifach, the usual suspects (Ford, et. al.?) ? That track texas sun is great, and stringier and more detroit feeling than the typical clinical techno --but still good-- Ifach roster sound. Gotta find this on one wax... ace. cheers, Matt - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] which dj invented + 15
Dunno - but I know Dave Angel was fond of doing it in his banging hard phase in the early 90s. -Original Message- From: Sam Karmel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 9:41 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] which dj invented + 15 Hi peepz Who was the first dj to modify there turntables to plus 15? Was it the wizard or John Acquaviva or... Thanx Sam __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] CD Japan coupon (OT)
also received this this might be of interest to anyone on the list, cdjapan is where i purchased from the 21st by jeff mills speaking of mills, check axisrecords.com for samples from his new album at first sight - Original Message - From: Mxyzptlk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 1:54 AM Subject: [313] CD Japan coupon (OT) Hey. I know requests for Japanese music suppliers was made on at least these two lists. Here's a coupon I just got from CD Japan which might shave a few cents off of a purchase : - Hi. Thank you for being a valuable customer of CDJapan. We would like to offer you a 500 yen coupon valid for ordering any item available from CDJapan, including future releases. It is our way of expressing our appreciation. This coupon is valid until September 30th for an order with item price subtotal of 3,000 yen or more. To redeem your 500 yen coupon, add item(s) to shopping cart, and proceed with checkout as usual, and enter the following code: ZM148GUBI Coupon is valid for only one order, and the Coupon button will disappear once it is used, or after it expires on September 30th. It can not be applied on orders placed previously even if it is still active, but has not been shipped. We look forward for your visit again to CDJapan soon. http://www.cdjapan.co.jp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] which dj invented + 15
Sam Karmel wrote on Wed, 4 Sep 2002 about following: Who was the first dj to modify there turntables to plus 15? i dunno but i'd rather kill the dude; pitched technics are horrible to play at; and you end up playing all the time all the records at least at +4 - because pitch in area 0-+2 usually does nothing. and you can't mix long mixes with pitched decks, the pitch control stops being exact quite soon. ie. pitching will ruin the decks. also, the components in the pitch wont last long with wrong voltages and stuff. also - if you need to play records in the same set that are 117bpm and 150 bpm, play longer sets and build your set, and buy enough records to build the set from 117bpm to 150bpm. that's the right way. sakke -- random rants and links at: http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] re: brubaker
matt, brubaker (like nearly all the aliases) is peter ford and mark broom.. there was a brubaker track on their comp 'technoir' from a couple of years ago too.. v.good comp - was lucky enough to be given a copy by peter ford in smallfish one night :) used to love ifach.. stephen _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] TODAY: Kevin Blechdom/Goodiepal
September 4th at Gabe's 330 E Washington Iowa City Kevin Blechdom (tigerbeat6, orthlong musork, chicks on speed records) Goodiepal (ski-pp, V/VM, unbearable,RCA) Tristan Watkins (Metatrack DC/IC OG DJ) Hellenistic 'Mos Rose (IC,Bad Fathers/Committee guest MCs) Tristan will be playing his last Iowa City set before moving to London. Hellenistic 'Mos Rose will be presenting some rowdy, bangin hip hop Kevin Blechdom will be sharing her songs and laptop craziness. Goodiepal -- on his first US Tour, even more laptop craziness. And for those of you who are interested, Kevin and Goodiepal will be doing a master class at the University of Iowa School of Music. Here's the straight poop. ALSO Kevin and Goodiepal will be doing a Master Class at the University of Iowa in Studio 1 (2062 VMB) from 3:30 to 5:30. They'll be talking for about an hour and then critique student work - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] New Adonis on Mathematics records...aciiiiiied
Any info on mathematics... Can't find head nor tai about them - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] which dj invented + 15
- Original Message - From: Sakari Karipuro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 4:53 AM Subject: Re: [313] which dj invented + 15 Sam Karmel wrote on Wed, 4 Sep 2002 about following: Who was the first dj to modify there turntables to plus 15? i dunno but i'd rather kill the dude; pitched technics are horrible to play at; and you end up playing all the time all the records at least at +4 - because pitch in area 0-+2 usually does nothing. and you can't mix long mixes with pitched decks, the pitch control stops being exact quite soon. ie. pitching will ruin the decks. also, the components in the pitch wont last long with wrong voltages and stuff. Agreed it's harder to mix on pitched tables, but I've never seen any intensified 'dipping + diving' after switching back and forth. I've heard this is the case many times, but I must've switched mine at least twenty times, and the stobes bear no inexactitude. They're very close to the +3.33 and +6 marks. Maybe I'm just lucky? These turntables are 8 years old too, so go figure. also - if you need to play records in the same set that are 117bpm and 150 bpm, play longer sets and build your set, and buy enough records to build the set from 117bpm to 150bpm. that's the right way. It's definitely not the best way to do it, but I can't say I'd never do it again. I really like to play those Theo Parrish records and they don't get played out much unless I have +/-16 (or 15 if you rather). Of course, my solution should just be to get the Vestax, no? Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] claude young
here you go northerners... next 2 dates feature steve rachmad then fabrice lig. last friday of the month. paying guest lists available from innercity or on the superconductor website. SUPERCONDUCTOR @THINKTANK, LEEDS. The Electronic Underground... (Opposite Corn Exchange, 2A Call Lane) FRIDAY 27th SEPTEMBER CLAUDE YOUNG (DETA / DJAX / DOW / ELYPSIA / 7th CITY / FRICTIONAL / K7!) Detroit legend Claude Young makes a welcome return to Superconductor. Following the huge success of February's party Claude was eager to come back and treat the 'true people' of Leeds to another night of freestyle electronic funk. This is Claude's only date in the country till next year. Warm up by resident Dj DAN MOORE. 10 - 3AM £9 / £7 members £7 B4 11 Limited Capacity - Early arrival essential. Check out http://www.superconductor.ws to find out more. Info/Booking : 07814 256226 / [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] claude young
aqpparently also at The Temple Bar in Dublin/Ireland on the 5th Oct too :0) -Original Message- From: innercity records [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 September 2002 16:49 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] claude young here you go northerners... next 2 dates feature steve rachmad then fabrice lig. last friday of the month. paying guest lists available from innercity or on the superconductor website. SUPERCONDUCTOR @THINKTANK, LEEDS. The Electronic Underground... (Opposite Corn Exchange, 2A Call Lane) FRIDAY 27th SEPTEMBER CLAUDE YOUNG (DETA / DJAX / DOW / ELYPSIA / 7th CITY / FRICTIONAL / K7!) Detroit legend Claude Young makes a welcome return to Superconductor. Following the huge success of February's party Claude was eager to come back and treat the 'true people' of Leeds to another night of freestyle electronic funk. This is Claude's only date in the country till next year. Warm up by resident Dj DAN MOORE. 10 - 3AM £9 / £7 members £7 B4 11 Limited Capacity - Early arrival essential. Check out http://www.superconductor.ws to find out more. Info/Booking : 07814 256226 / [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] which dj invented + 15
I really like to play those Theo Parrish records and they don't get played out much unless I have +/-16 (or 15 if you rather). or just play the Theo's at the normal speed and not worry about it:) -Original Message- From: Tristan Watkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 September 2002 16:32 To: Sakari Karipuro; 313 Subject: Re: [313] which dj invented + 15 - Original Message - From: Sakari Karipuro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 4:53 AM Subject: Re: [313] which dj invented + 15 Sam Karmel wrote on Wed, 4 Sep 2002 about following: Who was the first dj to modify there turntables to plus 15? i dunno but i'd rather kill the dude; pitched technics are horrible to play at; and you end up playing all the time all the records at least at +4 - because pitch in area 0-+2 usually does nothing. and you can't mix long mixes with pitched decks, the pitch control stops being exact quite soon. ie. pitching will ruin the decks. also, the components in the pitch wont last long with wrong voltages and stuff. Agreed it's harder to mix on pitched tables, but I've never seen any intensified 'dipping + diving' after switching back and forth. I've heard this is the case many times, but I must've switched mine at least twenty times, and the stobes bear no inexactitude. They're very close to the +3.33 and +6 marks. Maybe I'm just lucky? These turntables are 8 years old too, so go figure. also - if you need to play records in the same set that are 117bpm and 150 bpm, play longer sets and build your set, and buy enough records to build the set from 117bpm to 150bpm. that's the right way. It's definitely not the best way to do it, but I can't say I'd never do it again. I really like to play those Theo Parrish records and they don't get played out much unless I have +/-16 (or 15 if you rather). Of course, my solution should just be to get the Vestax, no? Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] which dj invented + 15
Amen.. Theo of all people should be kept nicely in key. -Original Message- From: Ian Cheshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 8:38 AM To: 'Tristan Watkins'; Sakari Karipuro; 313 Subject: RE: [313] which dj invented + 15 I really like to play those Theo Parrish records and they don't get played out much unless I have +/-16 (or 15 if you rather). or just play the Theo's at the normal speed and not worry about it:) -Original Message- From: Tristan Watkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 September 2002 16:32 To: Sakari Karipuro; 313 Subject: Re: [313] which dj invented + 15 - Original Message - From: Sakari Karipuro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 4:53 AM Subject: Re: [313] which dj invented + 15 Sam Karmel wrote on Wed, 4 Sep 2002 about following: Who was the first dj to modify there turntables to plus 15? i dunno but i'd rather kill the dude; pitched technics are horrible to play at; and you end up playing all the time all the records at least at +4 - because pitch in area 0-+2 usually does nothing. and you can't mix long mixes with pitched decks, the pitch control stops being exact quite soon. ie. pitching will ruin the decks. also, the components in the pitch wont last long with wrong voltages and stuff. Agreed it's harder to mix on pitched tables, but I've never seen any intensified 'dipping + diving' after switching back and forth. I've heard this is the case many times, but I must've switched mine at least twenty times, and the stobes bear no inexactitude. They're very close to the +3.33 and +6 marks. Maybe I'm just lucky? These turntables are 8 years old too, so go figure. also - if you need to play records in the same set that are 117bpm and 150 bpm, play longer sets and build your set, and buy enough records to build the set from 117bpm to 150bpm. that's the right way. It's definitely not the best way to do it, but I can't say I'd never do it again. I really like to play those Theo Parrish records and they don't get played out much unless I have +/-16 (or 15 if you rather). Of course, my solution should just be to get the Vestax, no? Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] which dj invented + 15
God Bless you my son :0) -Original Message- From: Bulger, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 September 2002 16:48 To: 'Ian Cheshire'; 'Tristan Watkins'; Sakari Karipuro; 313 Subject: RE: [313] which dj invented + 15 Amen.. Theo of all people should be kept nicely in key. -Original Message- From: Ian Cheshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 8:38 AM To: 'Tristan Watkins'; Sakari Karipuro; 313 Subject: RE: [313] which dj invented + 15 I really like to play those Theo Parrish records and they don't get played out much unless I have +/-16 (or 15 if you rather). or just play the Theo's at the normal speed and not worry about it:) -Original Message- From: Tristan Watkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 September 2002 16:32 To: Sakari Karipuro; 313 Subject: Re: [313] which dj invented + 15 - Original Message - From: Sakari Karipuro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 4:53 AM Subject: Re: [313] which dj invented + 15 Sam Karmel wrote on Wed, 4 Sep 2002 about following: Who was the first dj to modify there turntables to plus 15? i dunno but i'd rather kill the dude; pitched technics are horrible to play at; and you end up playing all the time all the records at least at +4 - because pitch in area 0-+2 usually does nothing. and you can't mix long mixes with pitched decks, the pitch control stops being exact quite soon. ie. pitching will ruin the decks. also, the components in the pitch wont last long with wrong voltages and stuff. Agreed it's harder to mix on pitched tables, but I've never seen any intensified 'dipping + diving' after switching back and forth. I've heard this is the case many times, but I must've switched mine at least twenty times, and the stobes bear no inexactitude. They're very close to the +3.33 and +6 marks. Maybe I'm just lucky? These turntables are 8 years old too, so go figure. also - if you need to play records in the same set that are 117bpm and 150 bpm, play longer sets and build your set, and buy enough records to build the set from 117bpm to 150bpm. that's the right way. It's definitely not the best way to do it, but I can't say I'd never do it again. I really like to play those Theo Parrish records and they don't get played out much unless I have +/-16 (or 15 if you rather). Of course, my solution should just be to get the Vestax, no? Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] which dj invented + 15
Im sure a final scratch [or similar device] would solve all these problems outright :) Dear santa :) Marc -Original Message- From: Ian Cheshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 4:44 PM To: 'Bulger, Tim'; Ian Cheshire; 'Tristan Watkins'; Sakari Karipuro; 313 Subject: RE: [313] which dj invented + 15 God Bless you my son :0) -Original Message- From: Bulger, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 September 2002 16:48 To: 'Ian Cheshire'; 'Tristan Watkins'; Sakari Karipuro; 313 Subject: RE: [313] which dj invented + 15 Amen.. Theo of all people should be kept nicely in key. -Original Message- From: Ian Cheshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 8:38 AM To: 'Tristan Watkins'; Sakari Karipuro; 313 Subject: RE: [313] which dj invented + 15 I really like to play those Theo Parrish records and they don't get played out much unless I have +/-16 (or 15 if you rather). or just play the Theo's at the normal speed and not worry about it:) -Original Message- From: Tristan Watkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 September 2002 16:32 To: Sakari Karipuro; 313 Subject: Re: [313] which dj invented + 15 - Original Message - From: Sakari Karipuro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 4:53 AM Subject: Re: [313] which dj invented + 15 Sam Karmel wrote on Wed, 4 Sep 2002 about following: Who was the first dj to modify there turntables to plus 15? i dunno but i'd rather kill the dude; pitched technics are horrible to play at; and you end up playing all the time all the records at least at +4 - because pitch in area 0-+2 usually does nothing. and you can't mix long mixes with pitched decks, the pitch control stops being exact quite soon. ie. pitching will ruin the decks. also, the components in the pitch wont last long with wrong voltages and stuff. Agreed it's harder to mix on pitched tables, but I've never seen any intensified 'dipping + diving' after switching back and forth. I've heard this is the case many times, but I must've switched mine at least twenty times, and the stobes bear no inexactitude. They're very close to the +3.33 and +6 marks. Maybe I'm just lucky? These turntables are 8 years old too, so go figure. also - if you need to play records in the same set that are 117bpm and 150 bpm, play longer sets and build your set, and buy enough records to build the set from 117bpm to 150bpm. that's the right way. It's definitely not the best way to do it, but I can't say I'd never do it again. I really like to play those Theo Parrish records and they don't get played out much unless I have +/-16 (or 15 if you rather). Of course, my solution should just be to get the Vestax, no? Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] which dj invented + 15
Tristan Watkins wrote on Wed, 4 Sep 2002 about following: 150 bpm, play longer sets and build your set, and buy enough records to build the set from 117bpm to 150bpm. that's the right way. It's definitely not the best way to do it, but I can't say I'd never do it again. I really like to play those Theo Parrish records and they don't get played out much unless I have +/-16 (or 15 if you rather). Of course, my solution should just be to get the Vestax, no? mmm i dunno. i just usually think that tracks are done for some tempo for some reason. and i like to keep the tracks as they were intended to be. of course you need to always pitch up/down while playing but +16 is way overkill. if playin house i try to keep in between -2 - +4, with techno i can go up'n'down more but for example at +8 the bass goes awful. kinda weak. and think about vocals of house-tracks at +16. usually ruins the track totally.. kills the vibe totally because they start sounding like how gabber-heads used vocals - pitched too up. sakke -- random rants and links at: http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] which dj invented + 15
mmm i dunno. i just usually think that tracks are done for some tempo for some reason. and i like to keep the tracks as they were intended to be. Surely by that rational you wouldn't be impressed by someone cutting up a track as it was originally intended to be one whole piece of music ?? Personally I dislike the side-effects of speeding stuff up however its great for mixing in super old skool tunes with more uptempo modern sets. For example I often like to stick in mj loops or de la stuff at +7/8 [I havent fiddled with the pitch in my 12's]. Ideally if I had f/s or vinyl touch there wouldnt be a problem in this department. -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] which dj invented + 15
I inquired about this and heard nothing back from the Final Scratch people. The only digital key correction that I've heard is on the Stanton turntables, and it sounds awful. Almost like a double beat. Mixing with it turned on is annoying and difficult. Anything beyond +2 irritates people with perfect pitch, +4 or greater starts sounding pretty awkward. -Original Message- From: Langsman, Marc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 8:57 AM To: 'Ian Cheshire'; Bulger, Tim; 'Tristan Watkins'; Sakari Karipuro; 313 Subject: RE: [313] which dj invented + 15 Im sure a final scratch [or similar device] would solve all these problems outright :) Dear santa :) Marc -Original Message- From: Ian Cheshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 4:44 PM To: 'Bulger, Tim'; Ian Cheshire; 'Tristan Watkins'; Sakari Karipuro; 313 Subject: RE: [313] which dj invented + 15 God Bless you my son :0) -Original Message- From: Bulger, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 September 2002 16:48 To: 'Ian Cheshire'; 'Tristan Watkins'; Sakari Karipuro; 313 Subject: RE: [313] which dj invented + 15 Amen.. Theo of all people should be kept nicely in key. -Original Message- From: Ian Cheshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 8:38 AM To: 'Tristan Watkins'; Sakari Karipuro; 313 Subject: RE: [313] which dj invented + 15 I really like to play those Theo Parrish records and they don't get played out much unless I have +/-16 (or 15 if you rather). or just play the Theo's at the normal speed and not worry about it:) -Original Message- From: Tristan Watkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 September 2002 16:32 To: Sakari Karipuro; 313 Subject: Re: [313] which dj invented + 15 - Original Message - From: Sakari Karipuro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 4:53 AM Subject: Re: [313] which dj invented + 15 Sam Karmel wrote on Wed, 4 Sep 2002 about following: Who was the first dj to modify there turntables to plus 15? i dunno but i'd rather kill the dude; pitched technics are horrible to play at; and you end up playing all the time all the records at least at +4 - because pitch in area 0-+2 usually does nothing. and you can't mix long mixes with pitched decks, the pitch control stops being exact quite soon. ie. pitching will ruin the decks. also, the components in the pitch wont last long with wrong voltages and stuff. Agreed it's harder to mix on pitched tables, but I've never seen any intensified 'dipping + diving' after switching back and forth. I've heard this is the case many times, but I must've switched mine at least twenty times, and the stobes bear no inexactitude. They're very close to the +3.33 and +6 marks. Maybe I'm just lucky? These turntables are 8 years old too, so go figure. also - if you need to play records in the same set that are 117bpm and 150 bpm, play longer sets and build your set, and buy enough records to build the set from 117bpm to 150bpm. that's the right way. It's definitely not the best way to do it, but I can't say I'd never do it again. I really like to play those Theo Parrish records and they don't get played out much unless I have +/-16 (or 15 if you rather). Of course, my solution should just be to get the Vestax, no? Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional
Re: [313] jazzanova friday night in cleveland
They'll also be making their Detroit stop at Alvin's Saturday, September 7...in case you hadn't heard. 2 sense From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] jazzanova friday night in cleveland Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 04:53:31 -0400 so jazzanova is deejaying friday night in thieveland, im making the drive up from the burgh. anyone else going to be there? im pretty amped. tom andythepooh.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] carl craig + soulful dj's
Hopefully the ads look kinda slick and Carl is getting tour sponsorship or a track licensed for national or international broadcast in their 'historically' slick ad campaigns outta dis deal as well! Personally, I'm happy to see someone we know getting their money swerve on provided it is appropriate or in keeping to their public/musical persona. Better someone talented and somewhat unique then another (more than likely..) aspiring no-talent/crowd chaser. Thoughts 2 sense From: Dan Sicko [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: MadR [EMAIL PROTECTED], James Hurlbut [EMAIL PROTECTED], dave cronin [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] carl craig + soulful dj's Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 21:24:23 -0700 (PDT) Derrick May for Eastpak maybe, but C2 + GAP? -d On Tue, 3 Sep 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you saw carl craig on a GAP billboard? On Tue, 3 Sep 2002, MadR wrote: But a few days later I saw him on a GAP billboard; how ironic. for what ? i don't get it ? is it because i stopped smoking pot or what ? anyway as a almost sick C2 follower I'll bet he plays disco, electro/italo, old house/techno, 80-ish stuff and new stuff covering all the mentioned before area's and problable will finish with his 'new' track which is kind of r'n'b-y %-) R. K. whose trying to catch up through 1900 mails (thank god for that yahoo - check all - delete button) np : legowelt - on a night train ;) __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] which dj invented + 15
On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Sakari Karipuro wrote: [snip] i dunno but i'd rather kill the dude; pitched technics are horrible to play at; and you end up playing all the time all the records at least at +4 - because pitch in area 0-+2 usually does nothing. and you can't mix long mixes with pitched decks, the pitch control stops being exact quite soon. ie. pitching will ruin the decks. also, the components in the pitch wont last long with wrong voltages and stuff. that's kind of untrue. they lose resolution so it's more difficult to get an exact match with the slider (as it's now twice as sensitive if you go from +/-8 all the way to +/-16), but it doesn't permanently damage the components. oftentimes the zero-point on the pitch slider goes off-center when the setting is changed, but it goes back when you reset it to the original pitch range. of course, if you're -that- obsessive (read: anal) (after all, this -is- the 313 list), you could always just get m3ds (no zero-position detent+switch like mk2s) and remove the little legend next to the slider that claims zero is in a certain 'official' spot. also - if you need to play records in the same set that are 117bpm and 150 bpm, play longer sets and build your set, and buy enough records to build the set from 117bpm to 150bpm. that's the right way. i kind of agree with this. i have a few specific records that i've found make good one-step bridges between different speeds of techno, that is to say they're within +/-(~10, dunno what my sliders are exactly) of both 120 armchair stuff and 140 injure-your-neck stuff. i wouldn't think it'd take a lot of these kinds of neutral-sounding, mid-tempo records to keep everything within +/-8 of the next track if you have even a rough idea beforehand of the speed/pace/feel timeline of a set (i.e. not alternating between both ends of the spectrum constantly). does anyone else have any suggestions for records of this type that make for good transitions between the realm of chin-stroking and rocking out? -j Jeffrey Paul -datavibe- [EMAIL PROTECTED] aim: x736e65616b phone: 130*21*16749 or 877-748-3467 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] which dj invented + 15
Langsman, Marc wrote on Wed, 4 Sep 2002 about following: mmm i dunno. i just usually think that tracks are done for some tempo for some reason. and i like to keep the tracks as they were intended to be. Surely by that rational you wouldn't be impressed by someone cutting up a track as it was originally intended to be one whole piece of music ?? .. i was talking about the tempo. Personally I dislike the side-effects of speeding stuff up however its great for mixing in super old skool tunes with more uptempo modern sets. For example I often like to stick in mj loops or de la stuff at +7/8 [I havent fiddled with the pitch in my 12's]. Ideally if I had f/s or vinyl touch there wouldnt be a problem in this department. i still wonder why you need to make it faster? just play them as they are. and remember kids, you can play slower stuff and then just change to faster stuff without beatmixing. it's not all about MIXING the tracks, it's all about the right selection. also, you can find modern tracks to build the set up from the supaoldskool tracks to faster tempos easily. i personally rather listen music unmixed than listening to someone forcefully trying to mix stuff that don't fit together. sakke -- random rants and links at: http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] which dj invented + 15
I've thought about pitching at least one of my decks - especially when I'd love to mix a Kraftwerk tune in with some Direct Beat tracks - I'd love to kick Musik Non-Stop up to about +10 and jack it properly. What is the chance of f*cking up the decks though? MEK Sakari Karipuro [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] iposti.net cc: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] which dj invented + 15 09/04/02 11:04 AM Tristan Watkins wrote on Wed, 4 Sep 2002 about following: 150 bpm, play longer sets and build your set, and buy enough records to build the set from 117bpm to 150bpm. that's the right way. It's definitely not the best way to do it, but I can't say I'd never do it again. I really like to play those Theo Parrish records and they don't get played out much unless I have +/-16 (or 15 if you rather). Of course, my solution should just be to get the Vestax, no? mmm i dunno. i just usually think that tracks are done for some tempo for some reason. and i like to keep the tracks as they were intended to be. of course you need to always pitch up/down while playing but +16 is way overkill. if playin house i try to keep in between -2 - +4, with techno i can go up'n'down more but for example at +8 the bass goes awful. kinda weak. and think about vocals of house-tracks at +16. usually ruins the track totally.. kills the vibe totally because they start sounding like how gabber-heads used vocals - pitched too up. sakke -- random rants and links at: http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] which dj invented + 15
obviously it would be a fairly trivial task to pitch-up the encoded mp3 in something like cooledit with key correction first. -Original Message- From: Bulger, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 5:27 PM To: 'Langsman, Marc'; 'Ian Cheshire'; 'Tristan Watkins'; Sakari Karipuro; 313 Subject: RE: [313] which dj invented + 15 I inquired about this and heard nothing back from the Final Scratch people. The only digital key correction that I've heard is on the Stanton turntables, and it sounds awful. Almost like a double beat. Mixing with it turned on is annoying and difficult. Anything beyond +2 irritates people with perfect pitch, +4 or greater starts sounding pretty awkward. -Original Message- From: Langsman, Marc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 8:57 AM To: 'Ian Cheshire'; Bulger, Tim; 'Tristan Watkins'; Sakari Karipuro; 313 Subject: RE: [313] which dj invented + 15 Im sure a final scratch [or similar device] would solve all these problems outright :) Dear santa :) Marc -Original Message- From: Ian Cheshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 4:44 PM To: 'Bulger, Tim'; Ian Cheshire; 'Tristan Watkins'; Sakari Karipuro; 313 Subject: RE: [313] which dj invented + 15 God Bless you my son :0) -Original Message- From: Bulger, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 September 2002 16:48 To: 'Ian Cheshire'; 'Tristan Watkins'; Sakari Karipuro; 313 Subject: RE: [313] which dj invented + 15 Amen.. Theo of all people should be kept nicely in key. -Original Message- From: Ian Cheshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 8:38 AM To: 'Tristan Watkins'; Sakari Karipuro; 313 Subject: RE: [313] which dj invented + 15 I really like to play those Theo Parrish records and they don't get played out much unless I have +/-16 (or 15 if you rather). or just play the Theo's at the normal speed and not worry about it:) -Original Message- From: Tristan Watkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 September 2002 16:32 To: Sakari Karipuro; 313 Subject: Re: [313] which dj invented + 15 - Original Message - From: Sakari Karipuro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 4:53 AM Subject: Re: [313] which dj invented + 15 Sam Karmel wrote on Wed, 4 Sep 2002 about following: Who was the first dj to modify there turntables to plus 15? i dunno but i'd rather kill the dude; pitched technics are horrible to play at; and you end up playing all the time all the records at least at +4 - because pitch in area 0-+2 usually does nothing. and you can't mix long mixes with pitched decks, the pitch control stops being exact quite soon. ie. pitching will ruin the decks. also, the components in the pitch wont last long with wrong voltages and stuff. Agreed it's harder to mix on pitched tables, but I've never seen any intensified 'dipping + diving' after switching back and forth. I've heard this is the case many times, but I must've switched mine at least twenty times, and the stobes bear no inexactitude. They're very close to the +3.33 and +6 marks. Maybe I'm just lucky? These turntables are 8 years old too, so go figure. also - if you need to play records in the same set that are 117bpm and 150 bpm, play longer sets and build your set, and buy enough records to build the set from 117bpm to 150bpm. that's the right way. It's definitely not the best way to do it, but I can't say I'd never do it again. I really like to play those Theo Parrish records and they don't get played out much unless I have +/-16 (or 15 if you rather). Of course, my solution should just be to get the Vestax, no? Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- - -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers.
RE: [313] carl craig's work out
Amp Fiddler 'Superficial' Genuine Speaking of Amp Fiddler (former P-Funk keys player!) there's a cool J.A.N. remix on the Basmentality 12 (Genuine 002) that I would tell fans of KDJ and Theo to drop a needle on. I like it alot. (TIP!!!) ha ha peace, Matt MacQueen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] which dj invented + 15
I've thought about pitching at least one of my decks - especially when I'd love to mix a Kraftwerk tune in with some Direct Beat tracks - I'd love to kick Musik Non-Stop up to about +10 and jack it properly. What is the chance of f*cking up the decks though? Music Non Stop works OK at 45pm (pitched down to 8)I find. MEK Sakari Karipuro [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] iposti.net cc: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] which dj invented + 15 09/04/02 11:04 AM Tristan Watkins wrote on Wed, 4 Sep 2002 about following: 150 bpm, play longer sets and build your set, and buy enough records to build the set from 117bpm to 150bpm. that's the right way. It's definitely not the best way to do it, but I can't say I'd never do it again. I really like to play those Theo Parrish records and they don't get played out much unless I have +/-16 (or 15 if you rather). Of course, my solution should just be to get the Vestax, no? mmm i dunno. i just usually think that tracks are done for some tempo for some reason. and i like to keep the tracks as they were intended to be. of course you need to always pitch up/down while playing but +16 is way overkill. if playin house i try to keep in between -2 - +4, with techno i can go up'n'down more but for example at +8 the bass goes awful. kinda weak. and think about vocals of house-tracks at +16. usually ruins the track totally.. kills the vibe totally because they start sounding like how gabber-heads used vocals - pitched too up. sakke -- random rants and links at: http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] which dj invented + 15
Music Non Stop works OK at 45pm (pitched down to 8)I find. the album version that is MEK Sakari Karipuro [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] iposti.net cc: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] which dj invented + 15 09/04/02 11:04 AM Tristan Watkins wrote on Wed, 4 Sep 2002 about following: 150 bpm, play longer sets and build your set, and buy enough records to build the set from 117bpm to 150bpm. that's the right way. It's definitely not the best way to do it, but I can't say I'd never do it again. I really like to play those Theo Parrish records and they don't get played out much unless I have +/-16 (or 15 if you rather). Of course, my solution should just be to get the Vestax, no? mmm i dunno. i just usually think that tracks are done for some tempo for some reason. and i like to keep the tracks as they were intended to be. of course you need to always pitch up/down while playing but +16 is way overkill. if playin house i try to keep in between -2 - +4, with techno i can go up'n'down more but for example at +8 the bass goes awful. kinda weak. and think about vocals of house-tracks at +16. usually ruins the track totally.. kills the vibe totally because they start sounding like how gabber-heads used vocals - pitched too up. sakke -- random rants and links at: http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] which dj invented + 15
Jeffrey Paul wrote on Wed, 4 Sep 2002 about following: On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Sakari Karipuro wrote: long mixes with pitched decks, the pitch control stops being exact quite soon. ie. pitching will ruin the decks. also, the components in the pitch wont last long with wrong voltages and stuff. but it doesn't permanently damage the components. oftentimes the zero-point on the pitch slider goes off-center when the setting is changed, but it goes back when you reset it to the original pitch range. well the components were selected +-8% in mind - i'm pretty damn sure they will not tolerate +-16 for long. (and over the years i've seen so many pitches just pretty much die after couple of years from pitching them - they start drifting pretty badly, so you cannot really do any beatmixing on them :) of course, if you're -that- obsessive (read: anal) (after all, this -is- the 313 list), of course i am! :) sakke -- random rants and links at: http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] which dj invented + 15
On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Bulger, Tim wrote: I inquired about this and heard nothing back from the Final Scratch people. The only digital key correction that I've heard is on the Stanton turntables, and it sounds awful. Almost like a double beat. Mixing with it turned on is annoying and difficult. Anything beyond +2 irritates people with perfect pitch, +4 or greater starts sounding pretty awkward. you could pitch the record up or down when digitizing it (only down would be functionally effective when recording originally from vinyl, anyways, for purposes of resolution in the digital copy) and then be able to pitch it another +/-4 (assumming factory-default decks) when playing it back with FS... or adjust it digitally with audio-editing software once you've recorded it (only pitching it up is advisable, at that point). (side note for the gearheads: in some of my more nitpicky and/or obsessive moments, i've digitized tracks that i want really nice copies of at -16 (with the slider set to +/-16) and then digitally downsampled them (using a nice, high-quality algorithm in a professional audio-editor) to circa the proper speed. in my mind it makes for better recordings, but it could be psychosomatic. it makes any pops or clicks from scratches or deeply-ingrained (that didn't make it out in the pre-recording wash) dirt less audible as well. ) -j Jeffrey Paul -datavibe- [EMAIL PROTECTED] aim: x736e65616b phone: 130*21*16749 or 877-748-3467 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] which dj invented + 15
This would work, but why couldn't you dynamically correct the key based on the amount of pitch? There should be a mathematical function for determining the amount of skew and correcting it. That way, you could record everything and the original speed and speed it up/slow it down without affecting the pitch in real time. -Original Message- From: Jeffrey Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 9:58 AM To: Bulger, Tim Cc: 'Langsman, Marc'; 'Ian Cheshire'; 'Tristan Watkins'; Sakari Karipuro; 313 Subject: RE: [313] which dj invented + 15 On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Bulger, Tim wrote: I inquired about this and heard nothing back from the Final Scratch people. The only digital key correction that I've heard is on the Stanton turntables, and it sounds awful. Almost like a double beat. Mixing with it turned on is annoying and difficult. Anything beyond +2 irritates people with perfect pitch, +4 or greater starts sounding pretty awkward. you could pitch the record up or down when digitizing it (only down would be functionally effective when recording originally from vinyl, anyways, for purposes of resolution in the digital copy) and then be able to pitch it another +/-4 (assumming factory-default decks) when playing it back with FS... or adjust it digitally with audio-editing software once you've recorded it (only pitching it up is advisable, at that point). (side note for the gearheads: in some of my more nitpicky and/or obsessive moments, i've digitized tracks that i want really nice copies of at -16 (with the slider set to +/-16) and then digitally downsampled them (using a nice, high-quality algorithm in a professional audio-editor) to circa the proper speed. in my mind it makes for better recordings, but it could be psychosomatic. it makes any pops or clicks from scratches or deeply-ingrained (that didn't make it out in the pre-recording wash) dirt less audible as well. ) -j Jeffrey Paul -datavibe- [EMAIL PROTECTED] aim: x736e65616b phone: 130*21*16749 or 877-748-3467 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] which dj invented + 15
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Wed, 4 Sep 2002 about following: I've thought about pitching at least one of my decks - especially when I'd love to mix a Kraftwerk tune in with some Direct Beat tracks - I'd love to kick Musik Non-Stop up to about +10 and jack it properly. What is the chance of f*cking up the decks though? older decks (older components) will definitely go bad faster - but as tristan said he hasn't have any problems. and i've seen some decks go down really fast (so they were totally un-usable), just in couple of years. i can't give any definitive answer. then again my friends other deck cannot be used between 0-+4 mark because it drifts so badly. above that it keeps the pitch so you can play but it is very slow to react to pitch changes. he has had the deck for couple of years and before that it had been mostly un-used in some club for few years. the deck was pitched up to maximum when he got it. and it's not the only one i've seen going bad. one could probably fix it by changing the whole pitch. sakke -- random rants and links at: http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] which dj invented + 15
I imagine this will come in time, but its a very cpu intensive task to be done realtime in software - F/S looks like it probably has enough trouble doing all its current dsp on a PIII. At present vinyl touch classic (www.mixmachines.com) does this but with hardware dsp. -Original Message- From: Bulger, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 6:13 PM To: Jeffrey Paul; Bulger, Tim Cc: Langsman, Marc; Ian Cheshire; Tristan Watkins; Sakari Karipuro; 313 Subject: RE: [313] which dj invented + 15 This would work, but why couldn't you dynamically correct the key based on the amount of pitch? There should be a mathematical function for determining the amount of skew and correcting it. That way, you could record everything and the original speed and speed it up/slow it down without affecting the pitch in real time. -Original Message- From: Jeffrey Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 9:58 AM To: Bulger, Tim Cc: 'Langsman, Marc'; 'Ian Cheshire'; 'Tristan Watkins'; Sakari Karipuro; 313 Subject: RE: [313] which dj invented + 15 On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Bulger, Tim wrote: I inquired about this and heard nothing back from the Final Scratch people. The only digital key correction that I've heard is on the Stanton turntables, and it sounds awful. Almost like a double beat. Mixing with it turned on is annoying and difficult. Anything beyond +2 irritates people with perfect pitch, +4 or greater starts sounding pretty awkward. you could pitch the record up or down when digitizing it (only down would be functionally effective when recording originally from vinyl, anyways, for purposes of resolution in the digital copy) and then be able to pitch it another +/-4 (assumming factory-default decks) when playing it back with FS... or adjust it digitally with audio-editing software once you've recorded it (only pitching it up is advisable, at that point). (side note for the gearheads: in some of my more nitpicky and/or obsessive moments, i've digitized tracks that i want really nice copies of at -16 (with the slider set to +/-16) and then digitally downsampled them (using a nice, high-quality algorithm in a professional audio-editor) to circa the proper speed. in my mind it makes for better recordings, but it could be psychosomatic. it makes any pops or clicks from scratches or deeply-ingrained (that didn't make it out in the pre-recording wash) dirt less audible as well. ) -j Jeffrey Paul -datavibe- [EMAIL PROTECTED] aim: x736e65616b phone: 130*21*16749 or 877-748-3467 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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then again my friends other deck cannot be used between 0-+4 mark because it drifts so badly. above that it keeps the pitch so you can play but it is very slow to react to pitch changes. I have 3 technics SL-1210mkII and I have the same problem, that is why I think I will make them back to normal this evening When I try to mix 2 tracks that are both between -2/+2 , then there is NO WAY I can keep them synced! NO WAY! Greets, Maarten - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] which dj invented + 15
On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Bulger, Tim wrote: This would work, but why couldn't you dynamically correct the key based on the amount of pitch? There should be a mathematical function for determining the amount of skew and correcting it. That way, you could record everything and the original speed and speed it up/slow it down without affecting the pitch in real time. it's a linear relation, pitch to speed. most not-lame programs i've ever used for audio editing allow you to adjust pitch, speed, or pitch+speed, each seperate. i was using the term pitch as a synonym for speed/tempo, as is the convention with techno and/or dj types, but with something like FS you could do anything you want to any digital file beforehand in an audio editor... timestretch, timecompress, pitchshift, offline effects, rearrange, whatever. maybe if they add realtime digital effects to finalscratch sometime in the future things like realtime pitch-matching (either manual arbitrary control or automatic compensation) in addition to beat-matching will be more prevalent. -j Jeffrey Paul -datavibe- [EMAIL PROTECTED] aim: x736e65616b phone: 130*21*16749 or 877-748-3467 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Maarten Baute wrote on Wed, 4 Sep 2002 about following: then again my friends other deck cannot be used between 0-+4 mark because it drifts so badly. above that it keeps the pitch so you can play but it is very slow to react to pitch changes. I have 3 technics SL-1210mkII and I have the same problem, that is why I think I will make them back to normal this evening When I try to mix 2 tracks that are both between -2/+2 , then there is NO WAY I can keep them synced! NO WAY! i'm afraid it _might_ be too late. we pitched the deck down and it didn't help. sakke -- random rants and links at: http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] for those who know
Wich song was first? adonis - no way back chic - jack le freak they both have the same bassline... Thanks, Maarten --- Do you know these tracks? http://www.morthenkiang.com/samples (taken from various mix tapes) --- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Maarten Baute wrote on Wed, 4 Sep 2002 about following: Wich song was first? adonis - no way back 1986 chic - jack le freak no idea. sakke -- random rants and links at: http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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if your talking of le chic by chic i think its from 76, definitely late seventies. i have the record at home, if you want i can take a look... fab. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] which dj invented + 15
-- Original Message -- From: Sakari Karipuro [EMAIL PROTECTED] i personally rather listen music unmixed than listening to someone forcefully trying to mix stuff that don't fit together. i agree with this, though i guess not too many others do. i hate drifting more than +/-4 off of 0 with any track im mixing in. if im going to play different tempos, i start them all off around 0 and ill do a variety of different mixes to go between tempos. alot of deejays i know cram in records at vastly retarded tempos to make them fit, and i hate it. tom andythepooh.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Wich song was first? adonis - no way back 1986 no, this was from 1984 chic - jack le freak no idea. I don´t know where the bassline came from. but the remix is from 198è.. I have the original le freak 7 wich is from 1976, but there is no bassline on that (liek the adonis one)... hmm.. still wondering. -- on a sidenote: I foun a 7 by speedy j for 7 euro: something for your mind with two mixes: exposure remix / speedy j mix is this worth any money? thanks, Maarten - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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198è.. 1987 I meant... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Maarten Baute wrote on Wed, 4 Sep 2002 about following: adonis - no way back 1986 no, this was from 1984 my copy of it on trax records says 1986. if you don't believe i can scan it for you tomorrow when i get new monitor for my windows box. Adonis - No Way Back TX112 produced by Adonis (P) 1986 Trax Records DISTRIBUTED BY PRECISION RECORDS NNN W NN PLACE CHICAGO IL. N N's represent numbers. the print is so god-damn awful that i can't say what numbers they are. many look like 3 8's :) perhaps it was released two years after it was made? sakke -- random rants and links at: http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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adonis - no way back 1986 no, this was from 1984 my copy of it on trax records says 1986. if you don't believe i can scan it for you tomorrow when i get new monitor for my windows box. Adonis - No Way Back TX112 produced by Adonis (P) 1986 Trax Records DISTRIBUTED BY PRECISION RECORDS NNN W NN PLACE CHICAGO IL. N you are right, it IS 1986.. I misslooked! my mistake! Sorry, Maarten - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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N's represent numbers. the print is so god-damn awful that i can't say what numbers they are. many look like 3 8's :) perhaps it was released two years after it was made? however, it was way back :D m pz2002 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] which dj invented + 15
ableton live does tempo changes while leaving pitch intact. as does max/msp and acid -Joe - Original Message - From: Langsman, Marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Bulger, Tim' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jeffrey Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Langsman, Marc [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ian Cheshire [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sakari Karipuro [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 1:16 PM Subject: RE: [313] which dj invented + 15 I imagine this will come in time, but its a very cpu intensive task to be done realtime in software - F/S looks like it probably has enough trouble doing all its current dsp on a PIII. At present vinyl touch classic (www.mixmachines.com) does this but with hardware dsp. -Original Message- From: Bulger, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 6:13 PM To: Jeffrey Paul; Bulger, Tim Cc: Langsman, Marc; Ian Cheshire; Tristan Watkins; Sakari Karipuro; 313 Subject: RE: [313] which dj invented + 15 This would work, but why couldn't you dynamically correct the key based on the amount of pitch? There should be a mathematical function for determining the amount of skew and correcting it. That way, you could record everything and the original speed and speed it up/slow it down without affecting the pitch in real time. -Original Message- From: Jeffrey Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 9:58 AM To: Bulger, Tim Cc: 'Langsman, Marc'; 'Ian Cheshire'; 'Tristan Watkins'; Sakari Karipuro; 313 Subject: RE: [313] which dj invented + 15 On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Bulger, Tim wrote: I inquired about this and heard nothing back from the Final Scratch people. The only digital key correction that I've heard is on the Stanton turntables, and it sounds awful. Almost like a double beat. Mixing with it turned on is annoying and difficult. Anything beyond +2 irritates people with perfect pitch, +4 or greater starts sounding pretty awkward. you could pitch the record up or down when digitizing it (only down would be functionally effective when recording originally from vinyl, anyways, for purposes of resolution in the digital copy) and then be able to pitch it another +/-4 (assumming factory-default decks) when playing it back with FS... or adjust it digitally with audio-editing software once you've recorded it (only pitching it up is advisable, at that point). (side note for the gearheads: in some of my more nitpicky and/or obsessive moments, i've digitized tracks that i want really nice copies of at -16 (with the slider set to +/-16) and then digitally downsampled them (using a nice, high-quality algorithm in a professional audio-editor) to circa the proper speed. in my mind it makes for better recordings, but it could be psychosomatic. it makes any pops or clicks from scratches or deeply-ingrained (that didn't make it out in the pre-recording wash) dirt less audible as well. ) -j Jeffrey Paul -datavibe- [EMAIL PROTECTED] aim: x736e65616b phone: 130*21*16749 or 877-748-3467 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] for those who know
however, it was way back :D anyway.. now we know that chic sampled adones for their jack the freak remix from le freak. It is kind of a chicago remix so this makes sense. Adonis rules by the way! Greets, Maarten - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] pitch shift [was + 15]
the main problem here is that while there is a linear relationship between pitch (tone) and speed (tempo) for a single frequency (e.g. the fundamental tone), it isn't quite so well-mannered when you pitch shift an entire voice because of the harmonics (esp. with crazy detroit strings, etc). if you do a linear pitch shift (e.g. using the fader on your 1200s), you shift the entire spectral structure which transposes the formants and changes the size of the resonant body of the sound which can make stuff sound really funny (esp. in tracks whose sense of funk comes from the tibre of the voices). to avoid this, you can use a re-pitcher with harmonic correction such as the time pitch machine in logic, which analyzes the formants to maintain the original timbre of the voice. you could do this to digitized files for use in final skratch or cd decks and rock it at +16 like dave angel without losing the nuances of your sound. 0d On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Bulger, Tim wrote: This would work, but why couldn't you dynamically correct the key based on the amount of pitch? There should be a mathematical function for determining the amount of skew and correcting it. That way, you could record everything and the original speed and speed it up/slow it down without affecting the pitch in real time. it's a linear relation, pitch to speed. most not-lame programs i've ever used for audio editing allow you to adjust pitch, speed, or pitch+speed, each seperate. i was using the term pitch as a synonym for speed/tempo, as is the convention with techno and/or dj types, but with something like FS you could do anything you want to any digital file beforehand in an audio editor... timestretch, timecompress, pitchshift, offline effects, rearrange, whatever. maybe if they add realtime digital effects to finalscratch sometime in the future things like realtime pitch-matching (either manual arbitrary control or automatic compensation) in addition to beat-matching will be more prevalent. -j Jeffrey Paul -datavibe- [EMAIL PROTECTED] aim: x736e65616b phone: 130*21*16749 or 877-748-3467 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] which dj invented + 15
::) wrote on Wed, 4 Sep 2002 about following: ableton live does tempo changes while leaving pitch intact. as does max/msp and acid it's called time-stretching, keeps the pitch but changes the tempo. then there's pitch-shifting. which does just the opposite. changes the pitch but not the tempo. ableton doesn't reach the quality of acid in time-stretching but it is, afterall, quite new software (and warp-marks rule!). before acid, sound forge did it quite well. sakke -- random rants and links at: http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] which dj invented + 15
it's called time-stretching, keeps the pitch but changes the tempo. example of 500% time-stretching, cfr. speedy j - something for your mind (plus 8, !hype): oeettthhigg g ffoo yyyuu iind - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] which dj invented + 15
Maarten Baute wrote on Wed, 4 Sep 2002 about following: it's called time-stretching, keeps the pitch but changes the tempo. example of 500% time-stretching, cfr. speedy j - something for your mind (plus 8, !hype): mmm i like the track. i have the music man 12 and i'm not sure if the mix names are correct - and i can't check them now as i don't have any working record player :) i think it's a bit nervous track. not annoying. sakke -- random rants and links at: http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] which dj invented + 15
So does the new Denon tables DP-DJ151's...I just bought some...I like the feature, but they still have to iron out the new functionality. Unfortunetly it also creates a slight chorus effect while maintaining the pitch. kindof a bummer. d$ -Original Message- From: ::) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 2:37 PM To: Langsman, Marc; 'Bulger, Tim'; Jeffrey Paul Cc: Langsman, Marc; Ian Cheshire; Tristan Watkins; Sakari Karipuro; 313 Subject: Re: [313] which dj invented + 15 ableton live does tempo changes while leaving pitch intact. as does max/msp and acid -Joe - Original Message - From: Langsman, Marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Bulger, Tim' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jeffrey Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Langsman, Marc [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ian Cheshire [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sakari Karipuro [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 1:16 PM Subject: RE: [313] which dj invented + 15 I imagine this will come in time, but its a very cpu intensive task to be done realtime in software - F/S looks like it probably has enough trouble doing all its current dsp on a PIII. At present vinyl touch classic (www.mixmachines.com) does this but with hardware dsp. -Original Message- From: Bulger, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 6:13 PM To: Jeffrey Paul; Bulger, Tim Cc: Langsman, Marc; Ian Cheshire; Tristan Watkins; Sakari Karipuro; 313 Subject: RE: [313] which dj invented + 15 This would work, but why couldn't you dynamically correct the key based on the amount of pitch? There should be a mathematical function for determining the amount of skew and correcting it. That way, you could record everything and the original speed and speed it up/slow it down without affecting the pitch in real time. -Original Message- From: Jeffrey Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 9:58 AM To: Bulger, Tim Cc: 'Langsman, Marc'; 'Ian Cheshire'; 'Tristan Watkins'; Sakari Karipuro; 313 Subject: RE: [313] which dj invented + 15 On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Bulger, Tim wrote: I inquired about this and heard nothing back from the Final Scratch people. The only digital key correction that I've heard is on the Stanton turntables, and it sounds awful. Almost like a double beat. Mixing with it turned on is annoying and difficult. Anything beyond +2 irritates people with perfect pitch, +4 or greater starts sounding pretty awkward. you could pitch the record up or down when digitizing it (only down would be functionally effective when recording originally from vinyl, anyways, for purposes of resolution in the digital copy) and then be able to pitch it another +/-4 (assumming factory-default decks) when playing it back with FS... or adjust it digitally with audio-editing software once you've recorded it (only pitching it up is advisable, at that point). (side note for the gearheads: in some of my more nitpicky and/or obsessive moments, i've digitized tracks that i want really nice copies of at -16 (with the slider set to +/-16) and then digitally downsampled them (using a nice, high-quality algorithm in a professional audio-editor) to circa the proper speed. in my mind it makes for better recordings, but it could be psychosomatic. it makes any pops or clicks from scratches or deeply-ingrained (that didn't make it out in the pre-recording wash) dirt less audible as well. ) -j Jeffrey Paul -datavibe- [EMAIL PROTECTED] aim: x736e65616b phone: 130*21*16749 or 877-748-3467 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] ymo
Hi, I just bought my first yellow magic orchestra lp for only 2 euro. It is called BMG, and is from 1981. Can anyone point me out to a decent biography of these guys. And can anyone describe there role in the develpment of electronical music? Ow.. and is the ymo track that juan atkins played at DEMF2002 on this lp? (don´t know where to find the audio now) thanks, Maarten --- Do you know these tracks? http://www.morthenkiang.com/samples (taken from various mix tapes) --- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] ymo
It is called BMG, and is from 1981. no it isn´t, uit is called BGM should read my mails once again before I send them. SORRY! will never do this kind of bandwith wasting again! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] control id
I would like two id's (it was around 9am/9:30 am) richie played this track right before he did the plastikman airplane bit. it had a classic rock sound to it the bass line reminded me of a very popular blues remake but the anme excapes me right now. then it was the airpalnes. then he played this track that sounded like a new palstikman track??? anyone? scotto lansing, mi. ps. I heard a remix of peter framtons do you beleive lie I do. who does this. it was not at control but I heard it this weekend and was woundering who it was. I think I heard it at the last dance? forget. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] ymo
Can anyone point me out to a decent biography of these guys. I'm biased but All Music Guide has a good section on yrs majesty, YMO. http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amgsql=Baq6atr69kl7x And can anyone describe there role in the develpment of electronical music? Did what Kraftwerk did, slightly later and almost as well? Close enough. They also used more varied influences than Kraftwerk, were bouncier poppier, and made the direct link between video-game-type music and music-type music... The YMO track that usually gets played is Computer Game, which is on the first LP from 1978, and I *think* I remember Juan playing that one. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] A great tragedy and loss......... (fwd)
i really really hate to be the bearer of unfortunate news, but i just received this in my inbox i really don't know what else to say.. rt -- Forwarded message -- Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 15:38:19 -0400 From: mike clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Subject: A great tragedy and loss. I was just informed today that one of my UR brothers is not with us anymore. James Drexciya Stinson died last night of heart complication.. It is a big loss for his friends, fans, and family. He will be greatly missed. One of the true brothers of the Underground. mike clark - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] control id
there are some new plastikman tracks if I can get it ok'd, Ill post them to the web. -Joe - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 2:40 PM Subject: [313] control id I would like two id's (it was around 9am/9:30 am) richie played this track right before he did the plastikman airplane bit. it had a classic rock sound to it the bass line reminded me of a very popular blues remake but the anme excapes me right now. then it was the airpalnes. then he played this track that sounded like a new palstikman track??? anyone? scotto lansing, mi. ps. I heard a remix of peter framtons do you beleive lie I do. who does this. it was not at control but I heard it this weekend and was woundering who it was. I think I heard it at the last dance? forget. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Fwd: A great tragedy and loss.........
Subject: A great tragedy and loss. I was just informed today that one of my UR brothers is not with us anymore. James Drexciya Stinson died last night of heart complication.. It is a big loss for his friends, fans, and family. He will be greatly missed. One of the true brothers of the Underground. mike clark - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Fwd: A great tragedy and loss.........
i hope to god this is just a really really bad rumor Donna Gardner wrote: Subject: A great tragedy and loss. I was just informed today that one of my UR brothers is not with us anymore. James Drexciya Stinson died last night of heart complication.. It is a big loss for his friends, fans, and family. He will be greatly missed. One of the true brothers of the Underground. mike clark - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Fwd: A great tragedy and loss.........
This is not a rumor. My partner and I spoke to his wife today because we thought the same thing at first. This is definitely true. This is a great loss indeed. Peace, Alex www.fulcruminn.net -Original Message- From: newgun [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 4:37 PM To: Donna Gardner Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Fwd: A great tragedy and loss. i hope to god this is just a really really bad rumor Donna Gardner wrote: Subject: A great tragedy and loss. I was just informed today that one of my UR brothers is not with us anymore. James Drexciya Stinson died last night of heart complication.. It is a big loss for his friends, fans, and family. He will be greatly missed. One of the true brothers of the Underground. mike clark - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] A great tragedy and loss......... (fwd)
All I can imagine right now are calm seas, tides withdrawn out of respect for the passing of the tsunami. Has anyone got a photograph of Mr. Stinson? I'd like to do a digital painting in his memory. I've been meaning to do a piece with a Drexciyan motif for a while . . . I now wish I'd started on it sooner. - Brian balistic Prince http://www.bprince.com - art and techno Strokes of Defiance EP . . . soon. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] A great tragedy and loss......... (fwd)
On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Brian 'balistic' Prince wrote: All I can imagine right now are calm seas, tides withdrawn out of respect for the passing of the tsunami. Has anyone got a photograph of Mr. Stinson? I'd like to do a digital painting in his memory. I've been meaning to do a piece with a Drexciyan motif for a while . . . I now wish I'd started on it sooner. Wait a second. Heart complications? How old was he? Damn. lks - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] A great tragedy and loss......... (fwd)
my regards to james's friends and family. he will truely be missed by many people. i wish the best for those who were closest to him, and for those who enjoyed his creative endevors. wishing everyone well, mike (tangible) - Original Message - From: Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Brian 'balistic' Prince [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [313] A great tragedy and loss. (fwd) On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Brian 'balistic' Prince wrote: All I can imagine right now are calm seas, tides withdrawn out of respect for the passing of the tsunami. Has anyone got a photograph of Mr. Stinson? I'd like to do a digital painting in his memory. I've been meaning to do a piece with a Drexciyan motif for a while . . . I now wish I'd started on it sooner. Wait a second. Heart complications? How old was he? Damn. lks - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] A great tragedy and loss......... (fwd)
a while ago i was lisening to an interview with drexciya. not sure wich guy it was, but he was saying he was moving down south to warmer weather because of health reasons. i wondered why he had to move to warmer weather. so i asked a freind of mine thats a doctor and he said its usually because of emphysema. anyway. god bless him. burns From: Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Brian 'balistic' Prince [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] A great tragedy and loss. (fwd) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 16:55:00 -0400 (EDT) On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Brian 'balistic' Prince wrote: All I can imagine right now are calm seas, tides withdrawn out of respect for the passing of the tsunami. Has anyone got a photograph of Mr. Stinson? I'd like to do a digital painting in his memory. I've been meaning to do a piece with a Drexciyan motif for a while . . . I now wish I'd started on it sooner. Wait a second. Heart complications? How old was he? Damn. lks - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] RUMOR OR FACT
James Drexciya Stinson died of heart complication???| Someone please confirm or deny... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] ymo
At 02:38 PM 9/4/2002, Maarten Baute wrote: Hi, I just bought my first yellow magic orchestra lp for only 2 euro. It is called BMG, and is from 1981. Can anyone point me out to a decent biography of these guys. And can anyone describe there role in the develpment of electronical music? Certainly not to knock AMG (Hi John! :-), but Nick Kent is probably *the* YMO whiz on the internet. http://www.artcontext.org/artskool/jem/ymo1.html Wow...what a question. I have been a J-pop fan for decades and I could say more than anyone prolly wants to hear on this subject. One could skip backwards to Rydeen or Tong Poo, but I'd rather tell you to go out and track down 1981's Technodelic and judge their impact for yourself. Grab Sakamoto's B2 Unit, Hosono's Philharmony and SFX for starters on some of the bazillion solo projects (not to mention the whole incestuous Bill Nelson, Masami Tsuchiya, Sylvian/ex-Japan members' projects, Dolby, etc.) and production/guesting appearances (Sandii the Sunsetz, anyone?). See if you can grab the 1993 'reunion' record, Technodon while you're at it. Naughty Boys has some great moments. Great to see YMO dropped on this list; they are often unfairly passed over when examining the roots of modern electronic music. For an idea about the how wide ranging the influences are, check Hosono's collaborations (same for Sakamoto). BTW, there are some *great* YMO lists available via yahoogroups - pne of which has an ftp where (only) rare and deleted tracks can be checked out. (YMOrare) jeff jeff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] new (unreleased) plastikman tracks
earlier today I mentioned that there are some new plastikman tracks out there. fyi, they are not new, they are mearly unreleased. I will NOT be sending these out in any form. (this includes any p2p services) dont email me about it because I'll just delete it. -Joe - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] RUMOR OR FACT
I'm sure it is true considering the first email that was forwarded from Rob was from Mike Clark.. And he would know.. ~E [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James Drexciya Stinson died of heart complication???| Someone please confirm or deny... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] new (unreleased) plastikman tracks
are these the same tracks he gave out at his bday party in nyc this year? they were on a mini-cd, can't remember the names of them right now. they were tracks i had never heard before. -p -Original Message- From: ::P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 6:46 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] new (unreleased) plastikman tracks earlier today I mentioned that there are some new plastikman tracks out there. fyi, they are not new, they are mearly unreleased. I will NOT be sending these out in any form. (this includes any p2p services) dont email me about it because I'll just delete it. -Joe - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] amp fiddler, superficial... kdj edit.
hey folks. matt's spot-on about that kdj edit of amp fiddler's superficial track. if anyone would like the .mp3 of that track, and is a soulseek user... give me a holler and i'll put you on my user list. eyesight4 peace. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
