Re: (313) New Carl Craig Remix
- Original Message - From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 11:11 PM Subject: Re: (313) New Carl Craig Remix I am glad someone has heard of them. ;) rantNot only heard of them, but worship them. The Sea and Cake are the best band in the world. Period. This is the truth and I am right. ;) They share the same drummer with Tortoise. He is called John McIntyre. He is the best drummer in the world. Period. If you watch him drum you will know what being possessed by rhythm is. It is scary, intense, you fear for his body, and you feel every movement he makes for days. They also have a vocalist named Sam Prekop who is very cool and does weird minimalist paintings, a bassist who I know nothing about and a guitarist named Archer Prewitt, who is the best guitarist since Johnny Marr, and makes some funny comic books on the side. There is also a funny looking keyboard guy who tours with them, who does crazy sh*t with a pen on a ribbon controller. They got their name via some 'C' in Cake / Sea and Cake confusion. They inspire me more than anyone./rant That Carl Craig (let alone Stereolab) is remixing them should speak tombs. The Stereolab remix is called Tea and Cake. LOL. Unfortunately, 'Glass' is only available from the Thrill Jockey gal on the US tour, not for distrobution at the moment. Europe got dicked. Tristan === Text/Mixes: http://www.phonopsia.co.uk Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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he also played some keys and guitar on a couple tracks on j dilla's welcome 2 detroit LP a couple years back. i kinda dig that album. tom andythepooh.com
Re: (313) Remix - letters to editor
blindly embracing anything prolly aint the best policy. but that has nothing to do with the fact that it's an advance. if it's not one you choose to utilize, great. no one's saying it's a requirement. the hardware and the skills required to dj are exactly the same -- so how does this detract from the human(ity) interface with the technology? On Sunday, March 23, 2003, at 03:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone see the newest issue of Remix magazine (Massive Attack cover)? There are a few reactions to Chris Cowie's statements about doing away with vinyl in favor of mp3s and Final Scratch. Not sure what issue his statements were in - however - one letter writer was from the Detroit area and mentioned how the philosophy behind techno music was less about blindly embracing technological advances and more about the humanity behind the machine. I still have the issue with the letter but not the issue that the writer was responding to. If anyone does have it could they pass it along as it seems Remix's website doesn't have it available. I'd like to hear other people's responses to this topic but if it degrades into a vinyl vs. Final Scratch argument then I'm bowing out. can opener in hand MEK
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On Sunday, March 23, 2003, at 06:51 PM, Phonopsia wrote: rantNot only heard of them, but worship them. The Sea and Cake are the best band in the world. Period. This is the truth and I am right. ;) They share the same drummer with Tortoise. He is called John McIntyre. He is the best drummer in the world. Period. ok, wildly off topic and genre, and i have no idea who this band is, but it's impossible that their drummer is the best in the world as that position is already held by Danny Carey, Tool's drummer. ;P)
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Interesting observation, I thought there may be a generational divide among DJs on Final Scratch, but I don't think there is. For instance, I know Kevin Saunderson uses it, and is a fan, but then Marco Bailey is not interested. A few months ago when Francois K was out I asked him about it and he made the interesting point that FS actually isn't that innovative in that it doesn't really bring anything radically new to the culture, conceptually, when that is in fact what dance music needs to evolve. I have this on tape somewhere and should be able to find it if anyone is interested, it was a complex argument and I can't recall it totally. A lot of DJs are worried about computer's crashing too! But that may be beside the point. ;) Ps. How good are Kevin Saunderson's KS O2 on Trust The DJ and Mike Grant's Live At Villa Rouge Pt 1? Definitely file both under 'machine music with lottsa soul'. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Remix - letters to editor Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 6:28 PM blindly embracing anything prolly aint the best policy. but that has nothing to do with the fact that it's an advance. if it's not one you choose to utilize, great. no one's saying it's a requirement. the hardware and the skills required to dj are exactly the same -- so how does this detract from the human(ity) interface with the technology? On Sunday, March 23, 2003, at 03:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone see the newest issue of Remix magazine (Massive Attack cover)? There are a few reactions to Chris Cowie's statements about doing away with vinyl in favor of mp3s and Final Scratch. Not sure what issue his statements were in - however - one letter writer was from the Detroit area and mentioned how the philosophy behind techno music was less about blindly embracing technological advances and more about the humanity behind the machine. I still have the issue with the letter but not the issue that the writer was responding to. If anyone does have it could they pass it along as it seems Remix's website doesn't have it available. I'd like to hear other people's responses to this topic but if it degrades into a vinyl vs. Final Scratch argument then I'm bowing out. can opener in hand MEK
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-Cyclone Ps. How good are Kevin Saunderson's KS O2 on Trust The DJ and Mike Grant's Live At Villa Rouge Pt 1? Definitely file both under 'machine music with lottsa soul'. I've heard the KMS TTDJ mix and it's sweet. Starts out with deep jazz-tech of 'Gloria Muse' by Blaze but still somehow takes in Moody Recordings cuts and Mark Broom. Sensibly paced too. However, my critical question on mx cd's at the mo is: Is it live? There's one instance of scratching, which doesn't really prove anything. I dunno. Caught In The Act by Hood I'd bet more strongly on being live: Minor mistakes, low-end boom from nudging the table, and scratching - that's the kind of evidence you need. k
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Something nice to look forward to (at last) Artist:PITCH BLACK CITY FEAT. ROBERTA SWEED Title:Runaway Label:MAHOGANI MUSIC Catalog #:MAHOG 003Executive Producer: Kenneth Dixon Jr. Second release on Kenny (aka Moodymann)'s new post-KDJ imprint. The last one, by Amp Dog Knight, sold out quickly and even got bootlegged by an ill-advised UK contingent (too bad we can't tell 43 that the next regime target should be all the pasty-white British scum who bootleg Detroit's musical underground -- the ironies are just too much to take). Another great piece of deep vocal house, with handclaps humming. One-sided, but you don't necessarily need more. Pasty-White British Scum? I ain't no bootlegger, but that offends. Does he fancy saying that face to face? _ - End of message text This e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, print or rely on this e-mail. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England with registered number OC303525. The registered office of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP is 1 Embankment Place, London WC2N 6RH. All partners in PricewaterhouseCoopers UK Associates A are authorised to conduct business as agents of, and all contracts for services to clients are with, PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. Visit our website http://www.pwcglobal.com
(313) Mix - Classics Not Classics Vol 2 Deep Deep Deep Chicago
Starting Where volume 1 left off, some of the lesser known cuts from darkest deepest old school chicago Krazy k - The Love of my Life (Missing Dog) Joe R Lewis - Acid Falls - Target Jackmaster Kurt - It's a Mans World - Jiszak Best of Ron Hardy - Flashback - Streetfire Last Generation - Feel my Love - Lower Level Code 3 - Code of Acid - International Latin House Mixx Blood Camero - Sweet Nectar - Saber M + M - I Wanna House (Inst.) - Missing PDC - Love for Sale - (Armando 303 mix) - Viola De Gamba Best Of Ron Hardy - Liquid Love - Streetfire Nick non Stop - Jack My Body - SRO Phortune - Unity - Jack Trax Critical Digital - It's House - Critical Disco - D - High Noon - Alleviated Master C J - Face it - State Street Visithttp://www.acid-house.netand right click save to disk
(313) Mix - Classics Not Classics Vol 2 Deep Deep Deep Chicago
Starting Where volume 1 left off, some of the lesser known cuts from darkest deepest old school chicago Krazy k - The Love of my Life (Missing Dog) Joe R Lewis - Acid Falls - Target Jackmaster Kurt - It's a Mans World - Jiszak Best of Ron Hardy - Flashback - Streetfire Last Generation - Feel my Love - Lower Level Code 3 - Code of Acid - International Latin House Mixx Blood Camero - Sweet Nectar - Saber M + M - I Wanna House (Inst.) - Missing PDC - Love for Sale - (Armando 303 mix) - Viola De Gamba Best Of Ron Hardy - Liquid Love - Streetfire Nick non Stop - Jack My Body - SRO Phortune - Unity - Jack Trax Critical Digital - It's House - Critical Disco - D - High Noon - Alleviated Master C J - Face it - State Street Visithttp://www.acid-house.netand right click save to disk
RE: (313) OT: Where to Buy Decks and Mixer (in the UK)
*Turnkey, Charing Cross Road for your real specialist kit. haggle them into the ground though. *Tottenham Court Road - start from the Tottenham Court Road end. Go into the first shop you see. Have a price in mind. Name it. So many of dozens (yes dozens) of the audio shops on that road are (1) owned by the same company (2) owned by people who are rivals/friends, that by the time you've got very far, news of what you want will have travelled the length of the road and you'll 'miraculously' find that someone wants to do you a deal! Enjoy! Ken -Original Message- From: Phonopsia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 1:04 PM To: 313 Subject: (313) OT: Where to Buy Decks and Mixer (in the UK) In the next week or so I'll be buying two turntables and a microphone, err... a mixer. The turntables will be of the Technics MKIII or M3D flavor, the mixer will be a Redsound Infader. Anyone seen good deals in the UK recently or can you recommend a good place? I suspect the best deals will be found online, rather than in a local (London) shoppe. A package discount would be cool... As I know a lot of places don't carry Redsound, I can do two different orders if need-be. Oh, and I don't need cartridges - do need slipmats. Conversely, if anyone's unloading used decks, I might be interested in a good deal. Please reply offlist if you would be so kind. :) Tristan === Text/Mixes: http://www.phonopsia.co.uk Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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(313) new Dopplereffekt LP 'Linear Accelerator' on Gigolo
Had a chance to listen to this at the weekend. It just couldn't be further from their previous stuff. If anyone heard the two tracks that were released as a single (Myon-Neutrino and Z-Boson), well, they are easily the most listenable of the six on there. It's like Kraftwerk's 'Radioactivity' LP (the sleeve artwork as well as the music) put through a noise blender, and frankly it was making my ears bleed. I just can't imagine ever voluntarily listening to it again. Anyone else heard it and want to comment?
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Anyone got the e-mail address for Mahogini music? Sorry can´t help. But did anyone hear the mahogany 002? It was released as a promo in detroit, me remembers. Cheers, Maarten
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I sent the 1st one about 1030...the second at 11 the 3rd at 11.30 and then they arrived all together... Dunno what happened Sorry bout that This is the 3rd time your message arrived at the list, dunno if you are aware of that? bye, kj -Original Message- From: Placid [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 1:06 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Mix - Classics Not Classics Vol 2 Deep Deep Deep Chicago Starting Where volume 1 left off, some of the lesser known cuts from darkest deepest old school chicago Krazy k - The Love of my Life (Missing Dog) Joe R Lewis - Acid Falls - Target Jackmaster Kurt - It's a Mans World - Jiszak Best of Ron Hardy - Flashback - Streetfire Last Generation - Feel my Love - Lower Level Code 3 - Code of Acid - International Latin House Mixx Blood Camero - Sweet Nectar - Saber M + M - I Wanna House (Inst.) - Missing PDC - Love for Sale - (Armando 303 mix) - Viola De Gamba Best Of Ron Hardy - Liquid Love - Streetfire Nick non Stop - Jack My Body - SRO Phortune - Unity - Jack Trax Critical Digital - It's House - Critical Disco - D - High Noon - Alleviated Master C J - Face it - State Street Visithttp://www.acid-house.netand right click save to disk -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. --
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Particularly offensive when 'Pasty-White British' are busy fighting and dieing for the current 'regime target'. And where would Detroits musical underground be without the 'pasty-white British scum' who worship the music? Not pressing up limited records to sell at an inflated price in order to get rich quick, thats for sure. As the statement says -- the ironies are just too much to take contingent (too bad we can't tell 43 that the next regime target should be all the pasty-white British scum who bootleg Detroit's musical underground -- the ironies are just too much to take). Another great piece of deep Pasty-White British Scum? I ain't no bootlegger, but that offends. Does he fancy saying that face to face?
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Does anyone have any information on the quality/ availability of this release? Thanks Charlie
RE: (313) Traxx/Hell/Beyer/Function in Brooklyn Sat 03.29.03
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Paul/Alex: And where would Detroits musical underground be without the 'pasty-white British scum' who worship the music? Not pressing up limited records to sell at an inflated price in order to get rich quick, thats for sure. So you're saying he has got no right to be pissed off at the bootleggers? Yes, a possible explanation for bootlegging Moodymann can be the bootleggers' frustration/irritation with his release policy (but it could just as well be that they wanted to earn a quick buck), so in that sense he contributed to being bootlegged. But that does *NOT* make bootlegging ethical behavior. Or if it's the politically-incorrect language: would you rather have him saying Tsk, tsk, you naughty people of unknown skin color living in the UK. You must not bootleg my records. As the statement says -- the ironies are just too much to take contingent (too bad we can't tell 43 that the next regime target should be all the pasty-white British scum who bootleg Detroit's musical underground -- the ironies are just too much to take). Another great piece of deep Pasty-White British Scum? I ain't no bootlegger, but that offends. Why? If Pasty-White British Scum would be referring to football hooligans, would you be equally offended and defensive? He's obviously not referring to all British people, so why not put on your Teflon suit and let it silde. No need to take it personal. Does he fancy saying that face to face? To the bootleggers, he probably does. Otto
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-Original Message- From: Otto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 March 2003 14:40 Or if it's the politically-incorrect language: would you rather have him saying Tsk, tsk, you naughty people of unknown skin color living in the UK. You must not bootleg my records. Maybe it would have been good if there was no racial slur, and I would also have been pleased not to find a joke about actually invading this country... but that's just my personal taste, not being a huge fan of either racism or militarism. Fair enough to those of you that are, go ahead and say what you want, but do be aware that not everyone is necessarily going to like it. Brendan
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Hello, The killer here is that it has taken years for music to pull people of all nations together and its ignorant comments like this that help to drive us apart real quick. Here in Britain, just like in the US we have people of all colours and from most countries, so unless you know what colour and nationality the person is that bootlegged the tracks I suggest you just say Scum! That way you can make your point about that fact that you are unhappy with bootleggers (not the colour of the bootlegger or should I say...lack of it) without offending your white friends here in the UK that buy tons of Detroit's musical underground I hope colour does not come into it again, music has no colour! Peace -Original Message- From: Paul Hudson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 March 2003 13:46 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) handbags Particularly offensive when 'Pasty-White British' are busy fighting and dieing for the current 'regime target'. And where would Detroits musical underground be without the 'pasty-white British scum' who worship the music? Not pressing up limited records to sell at an inflated price in order to get rich quick, thats for sure. As the statement says -- the ironies are just too much to take contingent (too bad we can't tell 43 that the next regime target should be all the pasty-white British scum who bootleg Detroit's musical underground -- the ironies are just too much to take). Another great piece of deep Pasty-White British Scum? I ain't no bootlegger, but that offends. Does he fancy saying that face to face?
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Brendan Nelson: Maybe it would have been good if there was no racial slur, and I would also have been pleased not to find a joke about actually invading this country... Well, at least invading the UK was a joke, for the Netherlands they've actually made it legal to invade us: http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=107_cong_public_lawsdocid=f:publ206.107 See Section 2008... (The International Criminal Court is located in The Hague) Otto
Re: (313) Deepest Shade Of Techno Vol 2 CD
Does anyone have any information on the quality/ availability of this release? The quality is high IMHO - it's a really nice compilation of classic mid-90s soulful Detroit techno. And you can buy it for the bargain price of £6.80 from http://www.dollisonline.co.uk/ (it's on the second page of CD albums) Cheers, Tom
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I usually don't reply to things like this, as it just clutters up an already cluttered list. /disclaimer Why are you taking offense if you didn't bootleg? It seems clear that the comment is directed soley at the bootleggers, and not at all at Brittish people in general. Cheers, Dennis -Original Message- From: rob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 9:52 AM To: Paul Hudson; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) handbags Hello, The killer here is that it has taken years for music to pull people of all nations together and its ignorant comments like this that help to drive us apart real quick. Here in Britain, just like in the US we have people of all colours and from most countries, so unless you know what colour and nationality the person is that bootlegged the tracks I suggest you just say Scum! That way you can make your point about that fact that you are unhappy with bootleggers (not the colour of the bootlegger or should I say...lack of it) without offending your white friends here in the UK that buy tons of Detroit's musical underground I hope colour does not come into it again, music has no colour! Peace -Original Message- From: Paul Hudson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 March 2003 13:46 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) handbags Particularly offensive when 'Pasty-White British' are busy fighting and dieing for the current 'regime target'. And where would Detroits musical underground be without the 'pasty-white British scum' who worship the music? Not pressing up limited records to sell at an inflated price in order to get rich quick, thats for sure. As the statement says -- the ironies are just too much to take contingent (too bad we can't tell 43 that the next regime target should be all the pasty-white British scum who bootleg Detroit's musical underground -- the ironies are just too much to take). Another great piece of deep Pasty-White British Scum? I ain't no bootlegger, but that offends. Does he fancy saying that face to face?
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I felt offended and im neither pasty-white nor british. i wonder how the authero fo that comment would have felt if the target of the slur were to be non-white. my 2 eurocent - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 4:53 PM Subject: Re: (313) handbags Pasty-White British Scum? I ain't no bootlegger, but that offends. Why? If Pasty-White British Scum would be referring to football hooligans, would you be equally offended and defensive? He's obviously not referring to all British people, so why not put on your Teflon suit and let it silde. No need to take it personal. I can't explain it Otto, I just found it pretty offensive. I'm sorry. I'm not really sure why. Probably something to do with being bored at work and making throwaway comments again. For this I apologise to the list - I do it quite reguarly I suppose. I appreciate the comments aren't aimed directly at me of course. I just don't see where 'pasty white' comes into it. What's wrong with 'bootlegging scum'? Why bring anything else into it? it only leads me to believe something I don't particuarly want to bring up. Please someone tell me - why 'pasty-white'? 'Pasty-White British Scum' used to refer to football hooligans would be just as narrow minded. Football hooligans come from a diverse mix of class and culture. Even the most famous UK football hooligan isn't white, and ever heard of Birmingham's 'Zulu's'? A rum bunch pal. And - more to the point, maybe some of us British scumbags could have helped him out finding his bootleggers if he'd have asked - we all have an ear to the ground Because, I for one think it's disgusting that people can profit from other peoples music just via a bootleg, especially in this industry where money is tight and people have families to feed. Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, print or rely on this e-mail. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England with registered number OC303525. The registered office of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP is 1 Embankment Place, London WC2N 6RH. All partners in PricewaterhouseCoopers UK Associates A are authorised to conduct business as agents of, and all contracts for services to clients are with, PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. Visit our website http://www.pwcglobal.com
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Any nation that lets people tuck their pants into their socks has something wrong with it :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 March 2003 15:53 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) handbags Pasty-White British Scum? I ain't no bootlegger, but that offends. Why? If Pasty-White British Scum would be referring to football hooligans, would you be equally offended and defensive? He's obviously not referring to all British people, so why not put on your Teflon suit and let it silde. No need to take it personal. I can't explain it Otto, I just found it pretty offensive. I'm sorry. I'm not really sure why. Probably something to do with being bored at work and making throwaway comments again. For this I apologise to the list - I do it quite reguarly I suppose. I appreciate the comments aren't aimed directly at me of course. I just don't see where 'pasty white' comes into it. What's wrong with 'bootlegging scum'? Why bring anything else into it? it only leads me to believe something I don't particuarly want to bring up. Please someone tell me - why 'pasty-white'? 'Pasty-White British Scum' used to refer to football hooligans would be just as narrow minded. Football hooligans come from a diverse mix of class and culture. Even the most famous UK football hooligan isn't white, and ever heard of Birmingham's 'Zulu's'? A rum bunch pal. And - more to the point, maybe some of us British scumbags could have helped him out finding his bootleggers if he'd have asked - we all have an ear to the ground Because, I for one think it's disgusting that people can profit from other peoples music just via a bootleg, especially in this industry where money is tight and people have families to feed. Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, print or rely on this e-mail. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England with registered number OC303525. The registered office of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP is 1 Embankment Place, London WC2N 6RH. All partners in PricewaterhouseCoopers UK Associates A are authorised to conduct business as agents of, and all contracts for services to clients are with, PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. Visit our website http://www.pwcglobal.com
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i agree. there is no place on this list for those comments. i wont be buying this guy's records in a hurry. ab -Original Message- From: Fabrizio Nahum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 2:28 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) handbags I felt offended and im neither pasty-white nor british. i wonder how the authero fo that comment would have felt if the target of the slur were to be non-white. my 2 eurocent - Original Message - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003
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I'm sorry you feel this way KJ. Music is a sound and can't been seen, so hence has no colour you can like it or not. As for Race is always an issue... I don't know what colour you are? It makes no difference to me either it's what you've got to say and do that interests me, not the colour of your skin. If you have a problem with colour then I can understand why race is always an issue to you in your world, however, please don't accuse the rest of us of being the same as you! It is however your right to voice your own opinion, I will choose not to listen to it next time, as I feel you have been misguided in life. I hope you have a nice day though :O) Peace. -Original Message- From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 March 2003 15:36 To: 'rob' Subject: RE: (313) handbags I hope colour does not come into it again, music has no colour! bullshit, music HAS colour, like it or not. Race is always an issue -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. --
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Nice to see another private message pop-up on this list, how nice of you look better next time will you! -Original Message- From: rob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 5:08 PM To: Jongsma, K.J. Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) handbags I'm sorry you feel this way KJ. Music is a sound and can't been seen, so hence has no colour you can like it or not. As for Race is always an issue... I don't know what colour you are? It makes no difference to me either it's what you've got to say and do that interests me, not the colour of your skin. If you have a problem with colour then I can understand why race is always an issue to you in your world, however, please don't accuse the rest of us of being the same as you! It is however your right to voice your own opinion, I will choose not to listen to it next time, as I feel you have been misguided in life. I hope you have a nice day though :O) Peace. -Original Message- From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 March 2003 15:36 To: 'rob' Subject: RE: (313) handbags I hope colour does not come into it again, music has no colour! bullshit, music HAS colour, like it or not. Race is always an issue -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. -- -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. --
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(too bad we can't tell 43 that the next regime target should be all the pasty-white British scum who bootleg Detroit's musical underground -- the ironies are just too much to take). How does he know the bootleggers are white?? Is it because they're from Britain?? Or is he making the assumption that your skin turns 'pasty-white' after living in the country for some time? Someone should let him know what Britain is really like? This is racism pure and simple nothing to do with music so I think we shouldn't rise to such Cr*p. -Mike
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Pasty-White British Scum? I ain't no bootlegger, but that offends. Why? If Pasty-White British Scum would be referring to football hooligans, would you be equally offended and defensive? The bottom line is the 'pasty-white' part of the comment was unnecessary and basically racist... If someone said 'black American scum', would that not be offensive? The skin colour of the bootleggers is irrelevant, surely - there was no need to bring 'pasty-white' into the equation... Cheers, Tom
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Rob wrote in response to KJ: I'm sorry you feel this way KJ. Music is a sound and can't been seen, so hence has no colour you can like it or not. As for Race is always an issue... I don't know what colour you are? It makes no difference to me either it's what you've got to say and do that interests me, not the colour of your skin. If you have a problem with colour then I can understand why race is always an issue to you in your world, however, please don't accuse the rest of us of being the same as you! Okay, let's nip this one in the bud before it escalates: Yes, music *itself* has no colour, BUT: the producers *do* have colour. As I think anyone will agree, skin colour and race -no matter what it is- influences (no, not determine, just influence) a whole host of social and economic factors. For quite a few producers, especially from Detroit, these factors are tightly connected to their music and their philosophy behind it. Of course, from an ethics point of view skin colour and race should not matter, but the fact is that they do. To deny that race is an issue is a slap in the face for the people for whom it is a daily fact of life. The only solution is to acknowledge that there are differences and then move beyond them. Just don't deny it. That is what KJ in his, ahem, eloquent, post was getting at. Otto
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I agree that pasty-white smacks of unthinking stereotyping - Dixon seems obtusely unaware of his audience (whether he likes it or not, most of his records are sold to white Europeans) and rather troubled that he isn't playing records and selling records to people he feels his music is made for - but this is what is interesting in this whole debacle - you guys should be investigating why Mr Dixon feels so strongly about the way he sees white culture appropriating and exploiting black culture, rather than wasting your time getting mock offended cos a black artist is saying disparaging things about white bootleggers. -Original Message- From: Tom Churchill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 4:20 PM To: Otto Koppius; 313 Subject: Re: (313) handbags Pasty-White British Scum? I ain't no bootlegger, but that offends. Why? If Pasty-White British Scum would be referring to football hooligans, would you be equally offended and defensive? The bottom line is the 'pasty-white' part of the comment was unnecessary and basically racist... If someone said 'black American scum', would that not be offensive? The skin colour of the bootleggers is irrelevant, surely - there was no need to bring 'pasty-white' into the equation... Cheers, Tom Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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We've all got our handbags in a twist again over this issue haven't we? We all said we wouldn't but we've all fallen for the same ruse as last year - someone says something controversial (to me it seems quite deliberate) and then the bad feeling ricochets around before exhausting itself. We all agree that the senseless bootlegging of artists whose music we love (even if we can't really love the producers of the same!) is wrong - so no disagreeing with KDJ on that - but ... We all also agree that the statements out of Mahogini go too far. I feel though that they're pure theatre - cynical use of theatre though - I fully agree, and it doesn't matter what one *really* thinks once you've dared to use such ruses, because the offence you've caused is the same. The way we feel about politicians who choose to play the 'race card' is similar. Ask Bill Clinton about Sistah Souljah - those who know. Those who don't, I hope you get my drift. There's no justification. I'd have hoped someone like KDJ would be wiser than that, no matter how embittered he might feel because of history - personal as well as collective. But I can't expect that everyone will try to be as enmlightened. When you come out of Detroit, that's pretty embittered. All I know is that he makes great music. He's aware how dependent he is on pasty whites for his success - example: never forget the St Albans connection! St Albans is a small sleepy town in the south of England. You can't get more pasty and white than that! (Hint: Peacefrog!) But he's not prepared to pull his punches when he doesn't like something. Don't take it personally. Maybe don't buy the music. I'd say having a damaging argument on the list isn't going to be much use either. What we need more of are the things which bring us together. (Good music?) It's a better way to eventually try to sort out the things which can potentially keep as apart. k
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Hi label, his words or he at least okays them - I would have thought. -Original Message- From: Andy Kellman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 4:59 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) handbags So it has been determined that Dixon was the person who wrote the blurb? No one else could have possibly written it? It's odd to me that we can accuse him of assuming things (the race of the bootleggers, etc), and yet the majority of this discussion has been based on the assumption that Dixon wrote the words.
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On Monday, March 24, 2003 12:05 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting observation, I thought there may be a generational divide among DJs on Final Scratch, but I don't think there is. For instance, I know Kevin Saunderson uses it, and is a fan, but then Marco Bailey is not interested. A few months ago when Francois K was out I asked him about it and he made the interesting point that FS actually isn't that innovative in that it doesn't really bring anything radically new to the culture, conceptually, when that is in fact what dance music needs to evolve. on one level that's true; minus the digging through the hard drive rather than digging through the crates, you end up with the same experience. but where it does bring new things to the culture is in how you choose to use it. play a track that's an hour old (and may have originated anywhere on the globe), play your own personal remix of anything, have access to thousands of records rather than, at most, about 200 (and avoid breaking your back in the process), program your sets with great attention to the venue, mood, whatever... it does not radically change dj culture straight out of the box. but it does give djs a chance to radically change how they approach their work, which you could argue brings greater humanity to the whole process. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Remix - letters to editor Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 6:28 PM blindly embracing anything prolly aint the best policy. but that has nothing to do with the fact that it's an advance. if it's not one you choose to utilize, great. no one's saying it's a requirement. the hardware and the skills required to dj are exactly the same -- so how does this detract from the human(ity) interface with the technology? On Sunday, March 23, 2003, at 03:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone see the newest issue of Remix magazine (Massive Attack cover)? There are a few reactions to Chris Cowie's statements about doing away with vinyl in favor of mp3s and Final Scratch. Not sure what issue his statements were in - however - one letter writer was from the Detroit area and mentioned how the philosophy behind techno music was less about blindly embracing technological advances and more about the humanity behind the machine. I still have the issue with the letter but not the issue that the writer was responding to. If anyone does have it could they pass it along as it seems Remix's website doesn't have it available. I'd like to hear other people's responses to this topic but if it degrades into a vinyl vs. Final Scratch argument then I'm bowing out. can opener in hand MEK
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- Original Message - From: Andy Kellman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 4:58 PM Subject: RE: (313) handbags It's odd to me that we can accuse him of assuming things (the race of the bootleggers, etc), and yet the majority of this discussion has been based on the assumption that Dixon wrote the words. My thought exactly. If you read the comment again, the voice is clearly not first-person, and it seems to me this was just on a mailing list from a distributor rather than from the source? That's what the format looks like anyway... Alex, can you clarify? - Original Message - From: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] There's no justification. I'd have hoped someone like KDJ would be wiser than that, no matter how embittered he might feel because of history - personal as well as collective. I don't think its so much of a historical beef as contemporary American reality. - Original Message - From: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] you guys should be investigating why Mr Dixon feels so strongly about the way he sees white culture appropriating and exploiting black culture, rather than wasting your time getting mock offended cos a black artist is saying disparaging things about white bootleggers. Precisely. Whoever said it, it's not fair. It wasn't wise. Unless he actually knows that the people are white (a possibility, and even more of a likelihood if this was a distributor, as they would be more likely to know where the boots are coming from), it's a poorly invoked stereotype - but it's really not worth getting upset about it. What is the impact of black-on-white stereotyping? It's certainly nothing compared to the daily reality of economic and political inequality that many black Americans face every day (and yes, it is a much different thing in the states than in the UK, although racism here is *beginning* to resemble the American variety more with each day that black English youth look to African Americans for a cultural model, as the assimilate-to-white-cultural-values-or-else element of racism emerges from a recent history of nonracialised identity) - but that bit is probably not really topical... All IMHO or course. :P Tristan === Text/Mixes: http://www.phonopsia.co.uk Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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or if you're a bit more imaginative, you can create carefully crafted pieces of audio, tones and whatnot, and control them from the turntables... playing pre-written music isnt the only use for turntables you know :) -Joe On Monday, March 24, 2003 12:05 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting observation, I thought there may be a generational divide among DJs on Final Scratch, but I don't think there is. For instance, I know Kevin Saunderson uses it, and is a fan, but then Marco Bailey is not interested. A few months ago when Francois K was out I asked him about it and he made the interesting point that FS actually isn't that innovative in that it doesn't really bring anything radically new to the culture, conceptually, when that is in fact what dance music needs to evolve. on one level that's true; minus the digging through the hard drive rather than digging through the crates, you end up with the same experience. but where it does bring new things to the culture is in how you choose to use it. play a track that's an hour old (and may have originated anywhere on the globe), play your own personal remix of anything, have access to thousands of records rather than, at most, about 200 (and avoid breaking your back in the process), program your sets with great attention to the venue, mood, whatever... it does not radically change dj culture straight out of the box. but it does give djs a chance to radically change how they approach their work, which you could argue brings greater humanity to the whole process. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Remix - letters to editor Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 6:28 PM blindly embracing anything prolly aint the best policy. but that has nothing to do with the fact that it's an advance. if it's not one you choose to utilize, great. no one's saying it's a requirement. the hardware and the skills required to dj are exactly the same -- so how does this detract from the human(ity) interface with the technology? On Sunday, March 23, 2003, at 03:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone see the newest issue of Remix magazine (Massive Attack cover)? There are a few reactions to Chris Cowie's statements about doing away with vinyl in favor of mp3s and Final Scratch. Not sure what issue his statements were in - however - one letter writer was from the Detroit area and mentioned how the philosophy behind techno music was less about blindly embracing technological advances and more about the humanity behind the machine. I still have the issue with the letter but not the issue that the writer was responding to. If anyone does have it could they pass it along as it seems Remix's website doesn't have it available. I'd like to hear other people's responses to this topic but if it degrades into a vinyl vs. Final Scratch argument then I'm bowing out. can opener in hand MEK
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of course it is. the fact that this is getting so much air is suprising to me. the fxcked up ATTITUDES of some of the detroit producers is shocking. absolutely contrary to what the music has come to stand for with the audience. all the more reason to go to a show and see someone you've never heard of before, or maybe take your mom out for lunch at white castle instead of buying that 12 theres too much talent out there to be throwing money at assh0les. my .02 (too bad we can't tell 43 that the next regime target should be all the pasty-white British scum who bootleg Detroit's musical underground -- the ironies are just too much to take). How does he know the bootleggers are white?? Is it because they're from Britain?? Or is he making the assumption that your skin turns 'pasty-white' after living in the country for some time? Someone should let him know what Britain is really like? This is racism pure and simple nothing to do with music so I think we shouldn't rise to such Cr*p. -Mike
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all of this race is an issue bullshxt is just that. Race is, and always will be as much of an issue as you make it. I never even contemplated race and techno before I joined this damn list. its all music, who cares what color the artist is. I can't tell the difference by listening to it, so who cares. of course, I don't think detroit was the birthing place of techno either, but thats just flamebait here (no replies please :P) -Joe Nice to see another private message pop-up on this list, how nice of you look better next time will you! -Original Message- From: rob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 5:08 PM To: Jongsma, K.J. Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) handbags I'm sorry you feel this way KJ. Music is a sound and can't been seen, so hence has no colour you can like it or not. As for Race is always an issue... I don't know what colour you are? It makes no difference to me either it's what you've got to say and do that interests me, not the colour of your skin. If you have a problem with colour then I can understand why race is always an issue to you in your world, however, please don't accuse the rest of us of being the same as you! It is however your right to voice your own opinion, I will choose not to listen to it next time, as I feel you have been misguided in life. I hope you have a nice day though :O) Peace. -Original Message- From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 March 2003 15:36 To: 'rob' Subject: RE: (313) handbags I hope colour does not come into it again, music has no colour! bullshit, music HAS colour, like it or not. Race is always an issue -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. -- -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. --
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I wasn't aware that all british were pasty white or scum...I'm a kind of pastel beige british floater, but I haven't pressed a bootleg yet, maybe michael jackson should have tried that instead of forking out for plastic surgeons? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2003 8:36 a.m. To: Jongsma, K.J.; 'rob'; Jongsma, K.J. Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) handbags all of this race is an issue bullshxt is just that. Race is, and always will be as much of an issue as you make it. I never even contemplated race and techno before I joined this damn list. its all music, who cares what color the artist is. I can't tell the difference by listening to it, so who cares. of course, I don't think detroit was the birthing place of techno either, but thats just flamebait here (no replies please :P) -Joe Nice to see another private message pop-up on this list, how nice of you look better next time will you! -Original Message- From: rob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 5:08 PM To: Jongsma, K.J. Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) handbags I'm sorry you feel this way KJ. Music is a sound and can't been seen, so hence has no colour you can like it or not. As for Race is always an issue... I don't know what colour you are? It makes no difference to me either it's what you've got to say and do that interests me, not the colour of your skin. If you have a problem with colour then I can understand why race is always an issue to you in your world, however, please don't accuse the rest of us of being the same as you! It is however your right to voice your own opinion, I will choose not to listen to it next time, as I feel you have been misguided in life. I hope you have a nice day though :O) Peace. -Original Message- From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 March 2003 15:36 To: 'rob' Subject: RE: (313) handbags I hope colour does not come into it again, music has no colour! bullshit, music HAS colour, like it or not. Race is always an issue -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. -- -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. --
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Anyone see the newest issue of Remix magazine (Massive Attack cover)? There are a few reactions to Chris Cowie's statements about doing away with vinyl in favor of mp3s and Final Scratch. Not sure what issue his statements were in - however - one letter writer was from the Detroit area and mentioned how the philosophy behind techno music was less about blindly embracing technological advances and more about the humanity behind the machine. I still have the issue with the letter but not the issue that the writer was responding to. If anyone does have it could they pass it along as it seems Remix's website doesn't have it available. what kind of issues do you have with this letter and these ideas ? back in '88 derrick may says the same thing in an interview in UK mag music technology, specifically that he and other first wave producers used mostly fairly simple technology that was in no way the latest or state of the art at the time, and that the ideas behind the music were more important. i guess the name itself is problematic, but it never meant that the music was just about using the newest technology. cripes that classics not classics 2 acid mix 2 is excellent - thanks so much ! ! ! that has made my day so far ! ! ! p-dogg
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Before chucking mud at Dixon, and at each other, perhaps we could have some clarification as to where and who the statement originates from?! The tone of the discussion on here is in part almost as disgraceful as the statement itself - which I do consider in fact racist. But I don't want to jump to conclusions and judge someone by a text snippet he may or may not have written himself. I don't have the connections but before slagging him off in public it might help to actually talk to him about it. Damn, I so wish Laura were here, she'd set y'all straight on this issue. Bless her memory. Respect, Anya
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RE: (313) handbags vs. humanity ;)
Before chucking mud at Dixon, and at each other, perhaps we could have some clarification My thoughts exactly... can everyone chill out. You know how the internet is. Unless I heard someone say something or it was a direct quote, it's all assumptions stacked on assumptions and false conclusions. All subject to each layer of editorialization along the way. This could all be moot if he didn't say/write the slur. It's all too easy to judge people falsely and that works both ways. Just because you read it on a mailing list doesn't mean someone said it/wrote it... Racial slurs are horrible but ones that get falsely attributed to people who didn't even say them are far worse. I'd love it if a piece of music generated this much conversation, jee. I'm more interested that there isn't an instrumental or a dub version of it... 1-sided records have to be absolute knockouts to pull that off. We shall see. If it kick it kick, period Matt MacQueen
(313) handbags vs. the animals
So was the handbag leather ? ;) Just got some fresh records in the mail today: Headman : It Rough - Chicken Lips Remix - 12. Have y'all heard this? Sounds like a lost Traxx record updated. Nice! Joshua : Hustlin' EP - Select. This is the first release on his new label. I know there are some fans out there. He takes great liberties with repition as he's prone to do, but this will definitely move some arses. Walter Jones: All God's Children - Westbound. Sweet Maurice Fulton mix. Saw him DJ last night as well. Was somefin' else I tell ya... Tristan === Text/Mixes: http://www.phonopsia.co.uk Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
