Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA

[badi]

 that may be true - but this doesn't really effect you does it?

 what proportion of the music you buy is aligned with major record labels?

 it worries me when people use the rationalisation that it's only hurting
 snr. executives from major record labels when they download music off p2p
 programs and then they go and download detroit stuff or other stuff which
 major record labels have no rights vested within. Music from composers
they
 claim to support but then go and download free of charge?

 one thing that's strikingly clear - no matter where the music is from, and
 no matter how much it would normally cost - you can't compete with free.

actually it does...the house is collapsing on me as well, however, since i
(the independent) am struggling to move just a few units anyway, what
difference does it make...actually makes the struggle worth it because it
deflates the blow up dolls...

on another level, there used to be an inkling of subversiveness, and
idealism behind supporting scenes, generes, or subculcutures such as
detroit techno, so it appears to me that now is the time to put our money
where our mouths are if there is some substance to this movement or was it
all just bs so we could feel good about wanton consumerism...if this is a
movement where is the mobilization...now would be the time to do something
right?

Re: (313) Is this not the coolest mix?

[jonathan morse]

take a gander at the ~rktic directory and youll find some other nice mixes.
tracklistings too...

 From: Matt MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 17:56:11 -0500
 To: Kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: 313 list 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: Re: (313) Is this not the coolest mix?
 
 The Ronny Pries Back In the Days Mix -- finally there's something I
 can
 play for people and say 'this is why I like techno.'
 
 http://www.anodized.com/~rktic/rp-back_in_the_days.mp3
 http://www.anodized.com/~rktic/rp-back_in_the_days_playlist.txt
 
 thanks for posting this Kent, it's amazing... finally had some time to
 let it play all the way through.
 Woo!  I was sweating just listening to it, imagine hearing that on
 a giant system in a blacked-out warehouse... wow
 
 peace
 Matt MacQueen
 

RE: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA

[David Powers]

I don't think this is correct.  Most heads enjoy owning our favorite
music in some form, often vinyl for many collectors.  I personally
download tons of music.  I also am a vinyl junkie.  I'm not that fond of
ordering over the internet.  This means, most of what I download, I
can't find in my local (Chicago) record store.  When I happen to
download something I really like, and find it locally, I will usually
buy it on sight.

If I didn't download music, I would still buy the same amount of music.
There is just so much music out there.  However, my music buying choices
would be less informed.  There are artists I would not have discovered
without downloading.  I might even buy less, just because I had less of
an idea what might suit my tastes and where to look for it.  I do try to
avoid buying from major labels on purpose, so I mostly don't buy CDs and
download most of that type of thing.  I especially don't like paying
inflated prices to a major label for anything from an artist who is
dead.  I might buy a used/rare vinyl at a local store of course, but
that doesn't go to the record company.  

You can compete with free by offering a superior, reasonably priced, and
legitimate product.  For me personally, I also want to buy a product
that doesn't support a corporate agenda that is totally counter to my
interests as a musician/composer, and also my interests as a citizen.

-David

-Original Message-
From: Rc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:37 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA

that may be true - but this doesn't really effect you does it?

what proportion of the music you buy is aligned with major record
labels?

it worries me when people use the rationalisation that it's only hurting
snr. executives from major record labels when they download music off
p2p
programs and then they go and download detroit stuff or other stuff
which
major record labels have no rights vested within. Music from composers
they
claim to support but then go and download free of charge?

one thing that's strikingly clear - no matter where the music is from,
and
no matter how much it would normally cost - you can't compete with free.







on 11/9/03 8:49 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 i'm not sure what to think of all this.
 well, let's see...the recording industry has flooded the maketplace
with
 sh!t which, in reality has no value, overcharged people for it,
switched to
 a digital format so that they could screw the craftspeople (not
artists) who
 make this stuff...so people decided not to pay for it and are now they
are
 drowning in it and want to extort a life-jacket from you (the
consumer)...
 
 i think it's great!
 
 b
 

Re: (313) O-T: sample search

[Cyclone Wehner]

Guess that's Sprung In Herre then.
:)
At least it's credited.
:)
I can't find the interview where they talked sampling, I may not remember it
exactly. I've read heaps with them. Could have been the Remix mag I picked
up at Movement.

--
From: Redmond, Ja'Maul [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) O-T: sample search
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 4:49 AM


 Well with a little collaboration we found it out to be Bustin' Loose by
 Chuck Brown.

 With the additional info that the neptunes don't sample. I looked up the
 credits of the song Hot in Herre and it list Chuck Brown as one of the
 writers. This is usually done when an original song is sampled and cleared
 by the new artist.

 What a minute now that I think of it. That (don't sample) can't be true. The
 neptunes sample like a Mofo. For Bustah's Gimmie some mo they sampled The
 movie Pyscho's Theme Song. (Not the shower scene song, but the main movie
 theme). And if you give me awhile I can think of other samples they used on
 other productions in addition to these two songs.

 Just for info. I'm not blastin the Neptunes. I actually love their work. But
 they do sample.

 Ja'Maul Redmond

 PERKINS  WILL

 1100 South Tryon Street, Suite 300
 Charlotte, North Carolina 28203



 -Original Message-
 From: Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 11:44 PM
 To: 313 Detroit
 Subject: Re: (313) O-T: sample search


 Well they claim not to use samples. Both play multiple instruments. The
 closest they get is to listen to a record and recreate the vibe.

 --
From: Stephen Burd [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: (313) O-T: sample search
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 2:19 AM


 from what old song was the instrumental part of nelly's hot in here
 sampled?

 thanks :)
 -stephen

(313) LA Synthesis/Linear Systems

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

Did Tony Gallagher ever release anything under the Linear Systems name
after the break-up of LA Synthesis?

I heard that they were badly burned by their deal with Mr C  the Plink
Plonk label and won't release any more music.

So are any of them still in the music business

Tony Gallagher
Chris Johnston (Johnny Astro)
Carl Grant
?


I finally found the Matrix Surfer CD and it is one of the best techno
releases I've ever heard.
If that's what they were doing in '97 it would be frightening (in a good
way) to hear what they'd be releasing today


MEK

(313) New Donna Summer/Giorgio Moroder

[Cyclone Wehner]

Been enjoying the extended suite of MacArthur Park lately on Donna Summer's
reissued Bad Girls album, so I will be checking out for this!
Anyone willing to give a lowdown of best Moroder works?

From MTV:

 Along with hits like Hot Stuff and She Works Hard for the Money, The
 Journey: The Very Best of Donna Summer will feature two new songs from the
 disco diva and her longtime collaborator, producer Giorgio Moroder. The
 collection is due September 30. ...

Re: (313) New Donna Summer/Giorgio Moroder

[O.L. From The Basement]

Here are two classics:

Giorgio From Here To Eternity LP (Casablanca)
Donna Summer I Feel Love (Casablanca)

Orrin

- Original Message - 
From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 12:35 AM
Subject: (313) New Donna Summer/Giorgio Moroder


 Been enjoying the extended suite of MacArthur Park lately on Donna
Summer's
 reissued Bad Girls album, so I will be checking out for this!
 Anyone willing to give a lowdown of best Moroder works?

 From MTV:

  Along with hits like Hot Stuff and She Works Hard for the Money, The
  Journey: The Very Best of Donna Summer will feature two new songs from
the
  disco diva and her longtime collaborator, producer Giorgio Moroder. The
  collection is due September 30. ...

RE: (313) New Donna Summer/Giorgio Moroder

[Hindle, Simon (IT)]

I'll second the props for the From Here To Eternity LP - I picked this
up last week and it's simply marvellous. GET THIS ALBUM. The cover alone
is worth it.

He also scored the movie Electric Dreams and released a single (with
Phil Oakey) of the same name that's quite delicious.

The Chase is a great single, but my all-time favourite track of his
for sheer ostentation HAS to be his camp-as-all-hell superdisco cover of
the Battlestar Galactica theme, replete with overly self-indulgent
coked-up horn solos and foxy backing singers going galactica! every
now and then.

-Original Message-
From: O.L. From The Basement [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2003 3:33 PM
To: 313 Mailing List; Cyclone Wehner
Subject: Re: (313) New Donna Summer/Giorgio Moroder


Here are two classics:

Giorgio From Here To Eternity LP (Casablanca)
Donna Summer I Feel Love (Casablanca)

Orrin

- Original Message - 
From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 12:35 AM
Subject: (313) New Donna Summer/Giorgio Moroder


 Been enjoying the extended suite of MacArthur Park lately on Donna
Summer's
 reissued Bad Girls album, so I will be checking out for this! Anyone 
 willing to give a lowdown of best Moroder works?

 From MTV:

  Along with hits like Hot Stuff and She Works Hard for the Money,

  The
  Journey: The Very Best of Donna Summer will feature two new songs
from
the
  disco diva and her longtime collaborator, producer Giorgio Moroder. 
  The collection is due September 30. ...




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(313) Ob-La-Di ob-La-Da

[yussel]

A bunch of major things goin' on, wanted to let my main peeps in on
them...

First and foremost, I'm moving to Los Angeles at the end of October to be
the new Associate Editor for Urb Magazine. While I'm excited as hell, I'm
also pretty nervous since I've never even been to LA. I only know like 2
people there and have no idea where to live. So anyone with some LA
connection, please foward them to me.

Second, I have to get rid of most everything I own- particularly my bed
(full size, less than a year old, matress/boxspring/metal frame). I
suppose this is just for the Chicago gang cause you'd have to come get it.
I'd like $100 for it, but I might just be willing to give it away rather
than toss it. I also have some CD racks, a beat up old computer desk and
equally shabby file cabinet.

Oh and a wicked one-of-a-kind coffee table.

Any takers?

Third, for Detroit posse- me and Doris will be in Detroit Sep 26-28 for
what will probably be my last d-town trip for a long while. Going to the
Motor Reunion on Friday- (http://www.motorreunion.com/mr.aspx) and the
Paxahau/Kompakt party on Saturday (www.paxahau.com)

Hope to see, hear, drink with, everyone before I go.

Lates

Re: (313) BRITISH MURDER BOYS LIVE @ T-FUNKSHUN FRIDAY 12TH SEPTEMBER

[s mcgill]

cheers. I am not on soulseek but hopefully I will be recording it on Friday
live.

SMc
- Original Message -
From: Martijn de Blaauw [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: s mcgill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 313 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: (313) BRITISH MURDER BOYS LIVE @ T-FUNKSHUN FRIDAY 12TH
SEPTEMBER


 There's a three hour British Muder Boys set, recorded at the Famous Tresor
 Club during their love parade bash this year, out there on soulseek and
it's
 very good!
 If u are on slsk..i have it in my shares...give me a shout and i'll hook u
 up!
 cheerio,
 Martijn


 - Original Message -
 From: s mcgill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: 313 313@hyperreal.org
 Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 2:12 AM
 Subject: Re: (313) BRITISH MURDER BOYS LIVE @ T-FUNKSHUN FRIDAY 12TH
 SEPTEMBER


  sick meaning good right?
 
  :)
 
  - Original Message -
  From: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: s mcgill [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 313@hyperreal.org
  Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:23 PM
  Subject: Re: (313) BRITISH MURDER BOYS LIVE @ T-FUNKSHUN FRIDAY 12TH
  SEPTEMBER
 
 
   omg, surgeon and regis
   thats a sick lineup
  
  
   - Original Message -
   From: s mcgill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: 313 313@hyperreal.org
   Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 3:57 PM
   Subject: (313) BRITISH MURDER BOYS LIVE @ T-FUNKSHUN FRIDAY 12TH
 SEPTEMBER
  
  
T-funkshun Fri Sept 12th:
British Murder Boys Live
SURGEON  REGIS
+
SCOTT NOCTURNE
DAVID LAWTON
   
Well we have looked at the theatre in Masque many times and thought
 that
  a
live set would truly do it justice and finally we have the perfect
   offering.
   
He's back and bringing a friend. After his unstoppable set at
  T-funkshun,
that he loved so much, we are proud to announce that Surgeon is
  returning
and bringing Regis too for what promises to be one of the finest
 nights
  we
have had at Masque and that is saying something.
   
Regis, one of the best producers in techno of the last decade,
brings
  his
sound (and verbal) to team up with his old cohort. Myself and David
  Lawton
will provide our own special blend of warm-up for the proceedings..
   
THIS IS AN ALLNIGHTER TOO. We have an after-party in a warehouse
just
   around
the corner.
   
   
Tickets available for £9 at:
   
  
 

http://www.ticketline.co.uk/event_details.asp?CPFlag=0EventId=22879Initial
=T
   
and selected record shops
   
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.tfunkshun.com
   
   
Enjoy.
   
   
  
  
 
 
 

RE: (313) O-T: sample search

[vinyl underground]

As far as I know, Hot in Herre containts no samples.

But Nelly sings the line 'I feel like bustin' loose' which he copied from
the Chuck Brown song.  Don't they call that an interpolation or something?

Martin
Vinyl Underground
c/o Watts
80 Abington Street
Northampton , UK
NN1 2BB
Tel: 44(0)1604 634433
Fax: 44(0)1604 626828

http://www.vinylunderground.co.uk

-Original Message-
From: Redmond, Ja'Maul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 10 September 2003 19:50
To: Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit
Subject: RE: (313) O-T: sample search


Well with a little collaboration we found it out to be Bustin' Loose by
Chuck Brown.

With the additional info that the neptunes don't sample. I looked up the
credits of the song Hot in Herre and it list Chuck Brown as one of the
writers. This is usually done when an original song is sampled and cleared
by the new artist.

What a minute now that I think of it. That (don't sample) can't be true. The
neptunes sample like a Mofo. For Bustah's Gimmie some mo they sampled The
movie Pyscho's Theme Song. (Not the shower scene song, but the main movie
theme). And if you give me awhile I can think of other samples they used on
other productions in addition to these two songs.

Just for info. I'm not blastin the Neptunes. I actually love their work. But
they do sample.

Ja'Maul Redmond

PERKINS  WILL

1100 South Tryon Street, Suite 300
Charlotte, North Carolina 28203



-Original Message-
From: Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 11:44 PM
To: 313 Detroit
Subject: Re: (313) O-T: sample search


Well they claim not to use samples. Both play multiple instruments. The
closest they get is to listen to a record and recreate the vibe.

--
From: Stephen Burd [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 
Subject: (313) O-T: sample search
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 2:19 AM


 from what old song was the instrumental part of nelly's hot in here
 sampled?

 thanks :)
 -stephen

RE: (313) viva italo

[Ploegmakers, Joost]

So I guess Modern Talking - you can win if you want, wasn't a big hit over 
there in the 80ies...?

Wouldn't exactly want to call it italo though. May sound a lot like it, but we 
wouldn't want to call Tiësto techno either would we...


Joost 



 -Original Message-
 From: Matt MacQueen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: donderdag 11 september 2003 0:11
 To: 313
 Subject: (313) viva italo
 
 
 what are the chances of a track ID from this TV ad?:)
 
 http://www.adformatie.nl/images/9621.mpg
 
 peace,
 Matt MacQueen
 
 

RE: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA

[Langsman, Marc]

Im totally down with this - I download a fair amount, but if its stuff I
like I'll go buy it [99.9% of the time on vinyl] otherwise it justs gets
deleted from my hd. I also like to keep hold of mp3s of stuff I buy on vinyl
so I can listen on my mp3 player without always having to encode myself or
do a mix with those tunes in. I think the amount I spend on music has
increased on avg due to the huge exposure I get to new material I wouldnt
normally get to hear etc.

The other thign I really like is the ability to download mp3s of live sets
that you cant buy in the shops. I wouldn't say Im not supporting the artists
though - I have for example some Jeff Mills live mp3 mixes sitting on my
player and although on the surface Jeff doesn't benefit from this
financially I always make the effort to go see him play out and like most
folk on this list I own a large proportion of the axis/purpose maker
catalogue :)

/2pence :D marc

 -Original Message-
 From: David Powers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 2:28 AM
 To: 'Rc'; 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: RE: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA
 
 
 I don't think this is correct.  Most heads enjoy owning our 
 favorite music in some form, often vinyl for many collectors. 
  I personally download tons of music.  I also am a vinyl 
 junkie.  I'm not that fond of ordering over the internet.  
 This means, most of what I download, I can't find in my local 
 (Chicago) record store.  When I happen to download something 
 I really like, and find it locally, I will usually buy it on sight.
 
 If I didn't download music, I would still buy the same amount 
 of music. There is just so much music out there.  However, my 
 music buying choices would be less informed.  There are 
 artists I would not have discovered without downloading.  I 
 might even buy less, just because I had less of an idea what 
 might suit my tastes and where to look for it.  I do try to 
 avoid buying from major labels on purpose, so I mostly don't 
 buy CDs and download most of that type of thing.  I 
 especially don't like paying inflated prices to a major label 
 for anything from an artist who is dead.  I might buy a 
 used/rare vinyl at a local store of course, but that doesn't 
 go to the record company.  
 
 You can compete with free by offering a superior, reasonably 
 priced, and legitimate product.  For me personally, I also 
 want to buy a product that doesn't support a corporate agenda 
 that is totally counter to my interests as a 
 musician/composer, and also my interests as a citizen.
 
 -David
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Rc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:37 PM
 To: 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA
 
 that may be true - but this doesn't really effect you does it?
 
 what proportion of the music you buy is aligned with major 
 record labels?
 
 it worries me when people use the rationalisation that it's 
 only hurting snr. executives from major record labels when 
 they download music off p2p programs and then they go and 
 download detroit stuff or other stuff which major record 
 labels have no rights vested within. Music from composers 
 they claim to support but then go and download free of charge?
 
 one thing that's strikingly clear - no matter where the music 
 is from, and no matter how much it would normally cost - you 
 can't compete with free.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 on 11/9/03 8:49 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  i'm not sure what to think of all this.
  well, let's see...the recording industry has flooded the maketplace
 with
  sh!t which, in reality has no value, overcharged people for it,
 switched to
  a digital format so that they could screw the craftspeople (not
 artists) who
  make this stuff...so people decided not to pay for it and 
 are now they
 are
  drowning in it and want to extort a life-jacket from you (the
 consumer)...
  
  i think it's great!
  
  b
  
 
 
 

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Re: RE: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA

[lee.herrington]

  I strongly agree with the ideas expressed by marc and david.  In fact, I 
would go so far as to say that there must be some independent labels that have 
benefited greatly as a result of increased file sharing.  
  I can name a number of labels and artists that i have been turned on to due 
to the trading of their material in digital format.
   -funky chocolate
   -ann aimee
   -psychostasia
   -music is
   -rick wade
   -newworldaquarium
   -headspace
   -moodsgrooves
  Because of my exposure to these producers and labels, I avidly hunt down all 
vinyl releases that I can get my hands on.  Just ask my wife...  she thinks i'm 
nuts.  :- )

cheers,
lrh
 
 From: Langsman, Marc [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2003/09/11 Thu AM 07:06:47 EDT
 To: 'David Powers' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
   'Rc' [EMAIL PROTECTED],  313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: RE: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA
 
 
 Im totally down with this - I download a fair amount, but if its stuff I
 like I'll go buy it [99.9% of the time on vinyl] otherwise it justs gets
 deleted from my hd. I also like to keep hold of mp3s of stuff I buy on vinyl
 so I can listen on my mp3 player without always having to encode myself or
 do a mix with those tunes in. I think the amount I spend on music has
 increased on avg due to the huge exposure I get to new material I wouldnt
 normally get to hear etc.
 
 The other thign I really like is the ability to download mp3s of live sets
 that you cant buy in the shops. I wouldn't say Im not supporting the artists
 though - I have for example some Jeff Mills live mp3 mixes sitting on my
 player and although on the surface Jeff doesn't benefit from this
 financially I always make the effort to go see him play out and like most
 folk on this list I own a large proportion of the axis/purpose maker
 catalogue :)
 
 /2pence :D marc
 
  -Original Message-
  From: David Powers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 2:28 AM
  To: 'Rc'; 313@hyperreal.org
  Subject: RE: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA
  
  
  I don't think this is correct.  Most heads enjoy owning our 
  favorite music in some form, often vinyl for many collectors. 
   I personally download tons of music.  I also am a vinyl 
  junkie.  I'm not that fond of ordering over the internet.  
  This means, most of what I download, I can't find in my local 
  (Chicago) record store.  When I happen to download something 
  I really like, and find it locally, I will usually buy it on sight.
  
  If I didn't download music, I would still buy the same amount 
  of music. There is just so much music out there.  However, my 
  music buying choices would be less informed.  There are 
  artists I would not have discovered without downloading.  I 
  might even buy less, just because I had less of an idea what 
  might suit my tastes and where to look for it.  I do try to 
  avoid buying from major labels on purpose, so I mostly don't 
  buy CDs and download most of that type of thing.  I 
  especially don't like paying inflated prices to a major label 
  for anything from an artist who is dead.  I might buy a 
  used/rare vinyl at a local store of course, but that doesn't 
  go to the record company.  
  
  You can compete with free by offering a superior, reasonably 
  priced, and legitimate product.  For me personally, I also 
  want to buy a product that doesn't support a corporate agenda 
  that is totally counter to my interests as a 
  musician/composer, and also my interests as a citizen.
  
  -David
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Rc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 5:37 PM
  To: 313@hyperreal.org
  Subject: Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA
  
  that may be true - but this doesn't really effect you does it?
  
  what proportion of the music you buy is aligned with major 
  record labels?
  
  it worries me when people use the rationalisation that it's 
  only hurting snr. executives from major record labels when 
  they download music off p2p programs and then they go and 
  download detroit stuff or other stuff which major record 
  labels have no rights vested within. Music from composers 
  they claim to support but then go and download free of charge?
  
  one thing that's strikingly clear - no matter where the music 
  is from, and no matter how much it would normally cost - you 
  can't compete with free.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  on 11/9/03 8:49 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   i'm not sure what to think of all this.
   well, let's see...the recording industry has flooded the maketplace
  with
   sh!t which, in reality has no value, overcharged people for it,
  switched to
   a digital format so that they could screw the craftspeople (not
  artists) who
   make this stuff...so people decided not to pay for it and 
  are now they
  are
   drowning in it and want to extort a life-jacket from you (the
  consumer)...
   
   i think it's 

(313) New Tunes

[ian cheshire]

WEll tis that time and I have two lovely records to shout about.

Scan 7 vs Scan X - F Comm

Final Destiny/Transit

Both lovely tracks but the Scan 7 one does it for me, its got pure detroit
all over it and it reminds me of my trip, wonderful :) Scan X also a lovely
track..both great to mix.


Senor Cocunut - Agoria Remix - Vital

Agoria never fail to impress me and this is the same, I really like this
one.

Well I am off to Poland then to Berlin with Claude Young, I hope he comes :)
Have a great weekend
all cos I can't wait!!...

Ian





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RE: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA

[Redmond, Ja'Maul]

I really think the buying public should form a c.d. boycott until this stuff
stops. If they think a thirty percent drop is bad what if just 10% of the
people we contacted through e-mail stopped buying c.d.'s? That's a lot of
people. And the sales would drop even more. I hate for the artist to be in
the middle of this, but then maybe more of them would step up also. 

I would love to try to get this started or join a boycott that may have
already started. I would need all the information,,i.e. facts,,rules and
everything to send to people so they can make an intelkligent decision
themselves. Does anyone know of where I can get the information behind the
lawsuits? 

Ja'Maul Redmond

PERKINS  WILL

1100 South Tryon Street, Suite 300
Charlotte, North Carolina 28203



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:30 PM
To: jurren baars
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA






$2000 for a thousand songs she allegedly shared through her computer?
that's $2 per song!!!

Do you suppose that the RIAA is looking at each song and each artist that
she downloaded and giving them their fair amount? As if she had bought a CD
from each of them - and then does that affect their chart position?

I really doubt they are distributing the money to the artists - many of whom
seem to be rather silent on the issue lately (that I've noticed). Anyone
see/hear/read artists speaking out against what the RIAA is doing?

I think their lawyers could drop $2000 at dinner after the pre-trial hearing
(business expense - it's a meeting to figure out the game plan, honest!).


MEK


 

  jurren baars

  [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:   313@hyperreal.org

  mail.comcc:

   Subject:  Re: (313) 12 year
old is sued by the RIAA 
  09/10/03 04:31 PM

 

 





the RIAA is now offering an amnesty program to filesharers, read here:
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNewsstoryID=3399602

some people are fighting back:
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=18658afl=frnd

the same thing is happening here in the netherlands; 'stichting brein' an
organisation that could be compared to the RIAA, has been demanding the
names of people who's IP adresses they've got. But the internetproviders
refuse to give those names, referring to those persons privacy rights.
christiaan alberdingk thijm [kazaa's lawyer] points out on the website of
his lawfirm why 'stichting brein' has not much chance of winning their fight
for those names.

i'm not sure what to think of all this.

first of all, the extreme long time it took the recording industry to do
something it could have done long ago, thereby only making things worse. and
secondly giving the public the wrong impression; the impression that
eventhough filesharing is not ok, it will have no consequence on you.

the way they sue 12 year olds doesn't really help them either, it's like a
shopkeeper who sees hundreds of people stealing from his shop day in day
out, and finally does something about it, by picking out the weekest person

that has ever done so, in the case a 12 year old.

third, i'm really puzzled by all these settlements. $2000 for a thousand
songs she allegedly shared through her computer? that's $2 per song!!! in
court the RIAA would have to convince the judge and the jury that this girls
filesharing has caused the recording industry $2000 damage. they could NEVER
pull that off! they would even face a hard time trying to prove that there
is a direct link beteen the decrease in sales in the music industry, and
filesharing. just look at the shift in sales towards dvd's or even
ringtones, and combine that with the bad economy.

jurren

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Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA

[Martin]

This is nothing more than PR spin, they will probably drop the case due to
the fact that this 12yr old won't have to money nor will her parents. Plus
that will teach her to collect Backstreets boys sh*te - should be made the
law I think...

And you should try buying CD's in the UK, 3 times as much - still it keeps
Mick Hucknall off the streets...

md



11/9/03 1:40 PM Redmond, Ja'[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I really think the buying public should form a c.d. boycott until this stuff
 stops. If they think a thirty percent drop is bad what if just 10% of the
 people we contacted through e-mail stopped buying c.d.'s? That's a lot of
 people. And the sales would drop even more. I hate for the artist to be in
 the middle of this, but then maybe more of them would step up also.
 
 I would love to try to get this started or join a boycott that may have
 already started. I would need all the information,,i.e. facts,,rules and
 everything to send to people so they can make an intelkligent decision
 themselves. Does anyone know of where I can get the information behind the
 lawsuits? 
 
 Ja'Maul Redmond
 
 PERKINS  WILL
 
 1100 South Tryon Street, Suite 300
 Charlotte, North Carolina 28203
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:30 PM
 To: jurren baars
 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA
 
 
 
 
 
 
 $2000 for a thousand songs she allegedly shared through her computer?
 that's $2 per song!!!
 
 Do you suppose that the RIAA is looking at each song and each artist that
 she downloaded and giving them their fair amount? As if she had bought a CD
 from each of them - and then does that affect their chart position?
 
 I really doubt they are distributing the money to the artists - many of whom
 seem to be rather silent on the issue lately (that I've noticed). Anyone
 see/hear/read artists speaking out against what the RIAA is doing?
 
 I think their lawyers could drop $2000 at dinner after the pre-trial hearing
 (business expense - it's a meeting to figure out the game plan, honest!).
 
 
 MEK
 
 
 
 
 jurren baars
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:   313@hyperreal.org
 
 mail.comcc:
 
  Subject:  Re: (313) 12 year
 old is sued by the RIAA
 09/10/03 04:31 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 the RIAA is now offering an amnesty program to filesharers, read here:
 http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNewsstoryID=3399602
 
 some people are fighting back:
 http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=18658afl=frnd
 
 the same thing is happening here in the netherlands; 'stichting brein' an
 organisation that could be compared to the RIAA, has been demanding the
 names of people who's IP adresses they've got. But the internetproviders
 refuse to give those names, referring to those persons privacy rights.
 christiaan alberdingk thijm [kazaa's lawyer] points out on the website of
 his lawfirm why 'stichting brein' has not much chance of winning their fight
 for those names.
 
 i'm not sure what to think of all this.
 
 first of all, the extreme long time it took the recording industry to do
 something it could have done long ago, thereby only making things worse. and
 secondly giving the public the wrong impression; the impression that
 eventhough filesharing is not ok, it will have no consequence on you.
 
 the way they sue 12 year olds doesn't really help them either, it's like a
 shopkeeper who sees hundreds of people stealing from his shop day in day
 out, and finally does something about it, by picking out the weekest person
 
 that has ever done so, in the case a 12 year old.
 
 third, i'm really puzzled by all these settlements. $2000 for a thousand
 songs she allegedly shared through her computer? that's $2 per song!!! in
 court the RIAA would have to convince the judge and the jury that this girls
 filesharing has caused the recording industry $2000 damage. they could NEVER
 pull that off! they would even face a hard time trying to prove that there
 is a direct link beteen the decrease in sales in the music industry, and
 filesharing. just look at the shift in sales towards dvd's or even
 ringtones, and combine that with the bad economy.
 
 jurren
 
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RE: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA

[Ploegmakers, Joost]

I think I saw David Bowie on TV the other day saying something like: you
know that something is really going wrong when an industry starts sueing
it's own customers.

I thought that was so spot on!

it's all getting totally rediculous.

Joost 

 -Original Message-
 From: Redmond, Ja'Maul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: donderdag 11 september 2003 15:41
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; jurren baars
 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: RE: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA
 
 
 I really think the buying public should form a c.d. boycott 
 until this stuff stops. If they think a thirty percent drop 
 is bad what if just 10% of the people we contacted through 
 e-mail stopped buying c.d.'s? That's a lot of people. And the 
 sales would drop even more. I hate for the artist to be in 
 the middle of this, but then maybe more of them would step up also. 
 
 I would love to try to get this started or join a boycott 
 that may have already started. I would need all the 
 information,,i.e. facts,,rules and everything to send to 
 people so they can make an intelkligent decision themselves. 
 Does anyone know of where I can get the information behind 
 the lawsuits? 
 
 Ja'Maul Redmond
 
 PERKINS  WILL
 
 1100 South Tryon Street, Suite 300
 Charlotte, North Carolina 28203
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:30 PM
 To: jurren baars
 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA
 
 
 
 
 
 
 $2000 for a thousand songs she allegedly shared through her computer?
 that's $2 per song!!!
 
 Do you suppose that the RIAA is looking at each song and each 
 artist that she downloaded and giving them their fair amount? 
 As if she had bought a CD from each of them - and then does 
 that affect their chart position?
 
 I really doubt they are distributing the money to the artists 
 - many of whom seem to be rather silent on the issue lately 
 (that I've noticed). Anyone see/hear/read artists speaking 
 out against what the RIAA is doing?
 
 I think their lawyers could drop $2000 at dinner after the 
 pre-trial hearing (business expense - it's a meeting to 
 figure out the game plan, honest!).
 
 
 MEK
 
 
  
 
   jurren baars
 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:   
 313@hyperreal.org
 
   mail.comcc:
 
Subject:  Re: 
 (313) 12 year
 old is sued by the RIAA 
   09/10/03 04:31 PM
 
  
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 the RIAA is now offering an amnesty program to filesharers, 
 read here: 
 http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNewsstoryID=3399602
 
 some people are fighting back: 
 http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=18658afl
=frnd

the same thing is happening here in the netherlands; 'stichting brein'
an organisation that could be compared to the RIAA, has been demanding
the names of people who's IP adresses they've got. But the
internetproviders refuse to give those names, referring to those persons
privacy rights. christiaan alberdingk thijm [kazaa's lawyer] points out
on the website of his lawfirm why 'stichting brein' has not much chance
of winning their fight for those names.

i'm not sure what to think of all this.

first of all, the extreme long time it took the recording industry to do
something it could have done long ago, thereby only making things worse.
and secondly giving the public the wrong impression; the impression that
eventhough filesharing is not ok, it will have no consequence on you.

the way they sue 12 year olds doesn't really help them either, it's like
a shopkeeper who sees hundreds of people stealing from his shop day in
day out, and finally does something about it, by picking out the weekest
person

that has ever done so, in the case a 12 year old.

third, i'm really puzzled by all these settlements. $2000 for a thousand
songs she allegedly shared through her computer? that's $2 per song!!!
in court the RIAA would have to convince the judge and the jury that
this girls filesharing has caused the recording industry $2000 damage.
they could NEVER pull that off! they would even face a hard time trying
to prove that there is a direct link beteen the decrease in sales in the
music industry, and filesharing. just look at the shift in sales towards
dvd's or even ringtones, and combine that with the bad economy.

jurren

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RE: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA

[Redmond, Ja'Maul]

you know that something is really going wrong when an industry starts
sueing it's own customers.


Exactly MY point!!
Ja'Maul Redmond

PERKINS  WILL

1100 South Tryon Street, Suite 300
Charlotte, North Carolina 28203



-Original Message-
From: Ploegmakers, Joost [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 9:52 AM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA


I think I saw David Bowie on TV the other day saying something like: you
know that something is really going wrong when an industry starts sueing
it's own customers.

I thought that was so spot on!

it's all getting totally rediculous.

Joost 

 -Original Message-
 From: Redmond, Ja'Maul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: donderdag 11 september 2003 15:41
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; jurren baars
 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: RE: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA
 
 
 I really think the buying public should form a c.d. boycott
 until this stuff stops. If they think a thirty percent drop 
 is bad what if just 10% of the people we contacted through 
 e-mail stopped buying c.d.'s? That's a lot of people. And the 
 sales would drop even more. I hate for the artist to be in 
 the middle of this, but then maybe more of them would step up also. 
 
 I would love to try to get this started or join a boycott
 that may have already started. I would need all the 
 information,,i.e. facts,,rules and everything to send to 
 people so they can make an intelkligent decision themselves. 
 Does anyone know of where I can get the information behind 
 the lawsuits? 
 
 Ja'Maul Redmond
 
 PERKINS  WILL
 
 1100 South Tryon Street, Suite 300
 Charlotte, North Carolina 28203
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:30 PM
 To: jurren baars
 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA
 
 
 
 
 
 
 $2000 for a thousand songs she allegedly shared through her computer?
 that's $2 per song!!!
 
 Do you suppose that the RIAA is looking at each song and each
 artist that she downloaded and giving them their fair amount? 
 As if she had bought a CD from each of them - and then does 
 that affect their chart position?
 
 I really doubt they are distributing the money to the artists
 - many of whom seem to be rather silent on the issue lately 
 (that I've noticed). Anyone see/hear/read artists speaking 
 out against what the RIAA is doing?
 
 I think their lawyers could drop $2000 at dinner after the
 pre-trial hearing (business expense - it's a meeting to 
 figure out the game plan, honest!).
 
 
 MEK
 
 
  
 
   jurren baars
 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:   
 313@hyperreal.org
 
   mail.comcc:
 
Subject:  Re:
 (313) 12 year
 old is sued by the RIAA 
   09/10/03 04:31 PM
 
  
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 the RIAA is now offering an amnesty program to filesharers,
 read here: 
 http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNewsstoryID=3399602
 
 some people are fighting back:
 http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=18658afl
=frnd

the same thing is happening here in the netherlands; 'stichting brein'
an organisation that could be compared to the RIAA, has been demanding
the names of people who's IP adresses they've got. But the
internetproviders refuse to give those names, referring to those persons
privacy rights. christiaan alberdingk thijm [kazaa's lawyer] points out
on the website of his lawfirm why 'stichting brein' has not much chance
of winning their fight for those names.

i'm not sure what to think of all this.

first of all, the extreme long time it took the recording industry to do
something it could have done long ago, thereby only making things worse.
and secondly giving the public the wrong impression; the impression that
eventhough filesharing is not ok, it will have no consequence on you.

the way they sue 12 year olds doesn't really help them either, it's like
a shopkeeper who sees hundreds of people stealing from his shop day in
day out, and finally does something about it, by picking out the weekest
person

that has ever done so, in the case a 12 year old.

third, i'm really puzzled by all these settlements. $2000 for a thousand
songs she allegedly shared through her computer? that's $2 per song!!!
in court the RIAA would have to convince the judge and the jury that
this girls filesharing has caused the recording industry $2000 damage.
they could NEVER pull that off! they would even face a hard time trying
to prove that there is a direct link beteen the decrease in sales in the
music industry, and filesharing. just look at the shift in sales towards
dvd's or even ringtones, and combine that with the bad economy.

jurren

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(313) Laurent Garnier

[Grammenos, Peter]

A new release from Garnier with three mixes he's done over the past few
years, one in detroit. Was anyone at the detroit show ? Too bad they didn't
add the Sonar mix from this year!


Laurent Garnier : Excess Luggage

Extremely limited release! Features 3 live mix CDs. Disc 1 'Mix At Sonar',
recorded live in June 2000, disc 2 'Mix In Detroit', recorded live in
November 2002, and disc 3 'PBB Late Night Mix'. Packaged in a metal
'mini-suitcase', which folds out, and features room for 2 more discs, which
will be available exclusively through the F Communications label website
('10 Years At The Rex Club Mix',  'BBC Annie On One Mix'). Also includes a
20 page color booklet designesd especially for this tour.

---
Peter Grammenos
Goldman Sachs  Co.
Tel : 212.902.2446
--- 

RE: (313) Laurent Garnier

[Dennis Donohue]

I was at the Detroit show (well, all three of them actually).  The party
happened at 3 different locations throughout the night, as it got busted at
the first location (Johannen gallery?) moved to corktown tavern (which had
to close due to bar laws) and then moved to the Works to wrap it up.
Wicked time, though, and he even played some remixes of his own stuff via CD
player (man with redface rework etc.)

Dennis



-Original Message-
From: Grammenos, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:06 AM
To: '313@hyperreal.org'
Subject: (313) Laurent Garnier



A new release from Garnier with three mixes he's done over the past few
years, one in detroit. Was anyone at the detroit show ? Too bad they didn't
add the Sonar mix from this year!


Laurent Garnier : Excess Luggage

Extremely limited release! Features 3 live mix CDs. Disc 1 'Mix At Sonar',
recorded live in June 2000, disc 2 'Mix In Detroit', recorded live in
November 2002, and disc 3 'PBB Late Night Mix'. Packaged in a metal
'mini-suitcase', which folds out, and features room for 2 more discs, which
will be available exclusively through the F Communications label website
('10 Years At The Rex Club Mix',  'BBC Annie On One Mix'). Also includes a
20 page color booklet designesd especially for this tour.

---
Peter Grammenos
Goldman Sachs  Co.
Tel : 212.902.2446
--- 

RE: (313) C.D. Boycott.

[Redmond, Ja'Maul]

I already have people wanting to put there name on a list .:)

I love it,,BUT


 actually what I would like to do, Is to send a very informative e-mail
including what the RIAA is doing and their Justification and Why as
consumers we shouldn't alow it. And then set a date where we would stop
purchasing c.d.s. We then can either send the e-mail to all of our friends
and/or start small boycotts within our individual cities. Also we will send
a copy to the RIAA with our intentions spelled out. 

I will defintetly start it here in Charlotte N.C. and to people I know
through e-mail.

If you feel that the RIAA is justified, then that's o.k. No one forces a
boycott. But I just believe if that 30% c.d.sales drops to  40% or even 50%
things will change. 

Now I heard the riaa was going to stop it anyway because of the
counter-suit. But I can't find where that is actually a fact. CNN and I
think Mixmag reported it. But the head of the RIAA has not made an official
announcement saying the same thing. 




Ja'Maul Redmond

PERKINS  WILL

1100 South Tryon Street, Suite 300
Charlotte, North Carolina 28203



-Original Message-
From: Redmond, Ja'Maul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 9:59 AM
To: Ploegmakers, Joost; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA


you know that something is really going wrong when an industry starts
sueing it's own customers.


Exactly MY point!!
Ja'Maul Redmond

PERKINS  WILL

1100 South Tryon Street, Suite 300
Charlotte, North Carolina 28203



-Original Message-
From: Ploegmakers, Joost [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 9:52 AM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA


I think I saw David Bowie on TV the other day saying something like: you
know that something is really going wrong when an industry starts sueing
it's own customers.

I thought that was so spot on!

it's all getting totally rediculous.

Joost 

 -Original Message-
 From: Redmond, Ja'Maul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: donderdag 11 september 2003 15:41
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; jurren baars
 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: RE: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA
 
 
 I really think the buying public should form a c.d. boycott until this 
 stuff stops. If they think a thirty percent drop is bad what if just 
 10% of the people we contacted through e-mail stopped buying c.d.'s? 
 That's a lot of people. And the sales would drop even more. I hate for 
 the artist to be in the middle of this, but then maybe more of them 
 would step up also.
 
 I would love to try to get this started or join a boycott that may 
 have already started. I would need all the information,,i.e. 
 facts,,rules and everything to send to people so they can make an 
 intelkligent decision themselves. Does anyone know of where I can get 
 the information behind the lawsuits?
 
 Ja'Maul Redmond
 
 PERKINS  WILL
 
 1100 South Tryon Street, Suite 300
 Charlotte, North Carolina 28203
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:30 PM
 To: jurren baars
 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA
 
 
 
 
 
 
 $2000 for a thousand songs she allegedly shared through her computer?
 that's $2 per song!!!
 
 Do you suppose that the RIAA is looking at each song and each artist 
 that she downloaded and giving them their fair amount? As if she had 
 bought a CD from each of them - and then does that affect their chart 
 position?
 
 I really doubt they are distributing the money to the artists
 - many of whom seem to be rather silent on the issue lately
 (that I've noticed). Anyone see/hear/read artists speaking 
 out against what the RIAA is doing?
 
 I think their lawyers could drop $2000 at dinner after the pre-trial 
 hearing (business expense - it's a meeting to figure out the game 
 plan, honest!).
 
 
 MEK
 
 
  
 
   jurren baars
 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:   
 313@hyperreal.org
 
   mail.comcc:
 
Subject:  Re:
 (313) 12 year
 old is sued by the RIAA 
   09/10/03 04:31 PM
 
  
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 the RIAA is now offering an amnesty program to filesharers, read here:
 http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNewsstoryID=3399602
 
 some people are fighting back: 
 http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=18658afl
=frnd

the same thing is happening here in the netherlands; 'stichting brein' an
organisation that could be compared to the RIAA, has been demanding the
names of people who's IP adresses they've got. But the internetproviders
refuse to give those names, referring to those persons privacy rights.
christiaan alberdingk thijm [kazaa's lawyer] points out on the website of
his lawfirm why 'stichting brein' has not much chance of winning 

Re: (313) Laurent Garnier

[Kev]

Hi,

Any info on when this is available / where from?

Kev

- Original Message -
From: Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 3:06 PM
Subject: (313) Laurent Garnier



 A new release from Garnier with three mixes he's done over the past few
 years, one in detroit. Was anyone at the detroit show ? Too bad they
didn't
 add the Sonar mix from this year!


 Laurent Garnier : Excess Luggage

 Extremely limited release! Features 3 live mix CDs. Disc 1 'Mix At Sonar',
 recorded live in June 2000, disc 2 'Mix In Detroit', recorded live in
 November 2002, and disc 3 'PBB Late Night Mix'. Packaged in a metal
 'mini-suitcase', which folds out, and features room for 2 more discs,
which
 will be available exclusively through the F Communications label website
 ('10 Years At The Rex Club Mix',  'BBC Annie On One Mix'). Also includes
a
 20 page color booklet designesd especially for this tour.

 ---
 Peter Grammenos
 Goldman Sachs  Co.
 Tel : 212.902.2446
 ---

RE: (313) Laurent Garnier

[Grammenos, Peter]

You can pre-order here -
http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?PID=6332538style=MUSICfrm=mm_911
03

It's out Sept 15.

-p

-Original Message-
From: Kev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:14 AM
To: Grammenos, Peter; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Laurent Garnier


Hi,

Any info on when this is available / where from?

Kev

- Original Message -
From: Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 3:06 PM
Subject: (313) Laurent Garnier



 A new release from Garnier with three mixes he's done over the past 
 few years, one in detroit. Was anyone at the detroit show ? Too bad 
 they
didn't
 add the Sonar mix from this year!


 Laurent Garnier : Excess Luggage

 Extremely limited release! Features 3 live mix CDs. Disc 1 'Mix At 
 Sonar', recorded live in June 2000, disc 2 'Mix In Detroit', recorded 
 live in November 2002, and disc 3 'PBB Late Night Mix'. Packaged in a 
 metal 'mini-suitcase', which folds out, and features room for 2 more 
 discs,
which
 will be available exclusively through the F Communications label 
 website ('10 Years At The Rex Club Mix',  'BBC Annie On One Mix'). 
 Also includes
a
 20 page color booklet designesd especially for this tour.

 ---
 Peter Grammenos
 Goldman Sachs  Co.
 Tel : 212.902.2446
 ---

(313) C.D. Boycott

[Redmond, Ja'Maul]

Just to let peeps know. 

YES , I file share and YES I download. 

I've download underground indie stuff but I've also downloaded mainstream
stuff. 

I've downloaded prince, bjork, lamb,billie holiday, and others. And Have
bought every last one of the c.d.'s as well. Except the lamb c.d. which I
couldn't even get in america. I have maybe some odd 200 singles downloaded.
But I have over a thousand of purchased  c.d's and more vinyl and cassettes.


Now I must go to work before I get fired and end up a homeless RIAA
hater,,lol.
 
Ja'Maul Redmond

PERKINS  WILL

1100 South Tryon Street, Suite 300
Charlotte, North Carolina 28203



-Original Message-
From: Redmond, Ja'Maul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 9:59 AM
To: Ploegmakers, Joost; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA


you know that something is really going wrong when an industry starts
sueing it's own customers.


Exactly MY point!!
Ja'Maul Redmond

PERKINS  WILL

1100 South Tryon Street, Suite 300
Charlotte, North Carolina 28203



-Original Message-
From: Ploegmakers, Joost [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 9:52 AM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA


I think I saw David Bowie on TV the other day saying something like: you
know that something is really going wrong when an industry starts sueing
it's own customers.

I thought that was so spot on!

it's all getting totally rediculous.

Joost 

 -Original Message-
 From: Redmond, Ja'Maul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: donderdag 11 september 2003 15:41
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; jurren baars
 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: RE: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA
 
 
 I really think the buying public should form a c.d. boycott until this 
 stuff stops. If they think a thirty percent drop is bad what if just 
 10% of the people we contacted through e-mail stopped buying c.d.'s? 
 That's a lot of people. And the sales would drop even more. I hate for 
 the artist to be in the middle of this, but then maybe more of them 
 would step up also.
 
 I would love to try to get this started or join a boycott that may 
 have already started. I would need all the information,,i.e. 
 facts,,rules and everything to send to people so they can make an 
 intelkligent decision themselves. Does anyone know of where I can get 
 the information behind the lawsuits?
 
 Ja'Maul Redmond
 
 PERKINS  WILL
 
 1100 South Tryon Street, Suite 300
 Charlotte, North Carolina 28203
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:30 PM
 To: jurren baars
 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA
 
 
 
 
 
 
 $2000 for a thousand songs she allegedly shared through her computer?
 that's $2 per song!!!
 
 Do you suppose that the RIAA is looking at each song and each artist 
 that she downloaded and giving them their fair amount? As if she had 
 bought a CD from each of them - and then does that affect their chart 
 position?
 
 I really doubt they are distributing the money to the artists
 - many of whom seem to be rather silent on the issue lately
 (that I've noticed). Anyone see/hear/read artists speaking 
 out against what the RIAA is doing?
 
 I think their lawyers could drop $2000 at dinner after the pre-trial 
 hearing (business expense - it's a meeting to figure out the game 
 plan, honest!).
 
 
 MEK
 
 
  
 
   jurren baars
 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:   
 313@hyperreal.org
 
   mail.comcc:
 
Subject:  Re:
 (313) 12 year
 old is sued by the RIAA 
   09/10/03 04:31 PM
 
  
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 the RIAA is now offering an amnesty program to filesharers, read here:
 http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNewsstoryID=3399602
 
 some people are fighting back: 
 http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=18658afl
=frnd

the same thing is happening here in the netherlands; 'stichting brein' an
organisation that could be compared to the RIAA, has been demanding the
names of people who's IP adresses they've got. But the internetproviders
refuse to give those names, referring to those persons privacy rights.
christiaan alberdingk thijm [kazaa's lawyer] points out on the website of
his lawfirm why 'stichting brein' has not much chance of winning their fight
for those names.

i'm not sure what to think of all this.

first of all, the extreme long time it took the recording industry to do
something it could have done long ago, thereby only making things worse. and
secondly giving the public the wrong impression; the impression that
eventhough filesharing is not ok, it will have no consequence on you.

the way they sue 12 year olds doesn't really help them either, it's like a
shopkeeper who sees hundreds of people 

Re: (313) Ob-La-Di ob-La-Da

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

Congratulations on the new gig!
shake it up there at the URB towers

MEK



   
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   
  et   To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
313@hyperreal.org
   cc:  
   
  09/11/03 02:17 AMSubject:  (313) Ob-La-Di 
ob-La-Da   

   

   




A bunch of major things goin' on, wanted to let my main peeps in on
them...

First and foremost, I'm moving to Los Angeles at the end of October to be
the new Associate Editor for Urb Magazine. While I'm excited as hell, I'm
also pretty nervous since I've never even been to LA. I only know like 2
people there and have no idea where to live. So anyone with some LA
connection, please foward them to me.

Second, I have to get rid of most everything I own- particularly my bed
(full size, less than a year old, matress/boxspring/metal frame). I
suppose this is just for the Chicago gang cause you'd have to come get it.
I'd like $100 for it, but I might just be willing to give it away rather
than toss it. I also have some CD racks, a beat up old computer desk and
equally shabby file cabinet.

Oh and a wicked one-of-a-kind coffee table.

Any takers?

Third, for Detroit posse- me and Doris will be in Detroit Sep 26-28 for
what will probably be my last d-town trip for a long while. Going to the
Motor Reunion on Friday- (http://www.motorreunion.com/mr.aspx) and the
Paxahau/Kompakt party on Saturday (www.paxahau.com)

Hope to see, hear, drink with, everyone before I go.

Lates

RE: (313) C.D. Boycott

[Langsman, Marc]

 I've downloaded prince, bjork, lamb,billie holiday, and 
 others. And Have bought every last one of the c.d.'s as well. 
 Except the lamb c.d. which I couldn't even get in america. I 
 have maybe some odd 200 singles downloaded. But I have over a 
 thousand of purchased  c.d's and more vinyl and cassettes.

I quickly skimmed that para and didn't pick up on 'holiday'...*phew* very
close call to unsubbing from the 313 there ;) 

peace,
marc

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Re: (313) Laurent Garnier

[Kev]

dammit...just ordered from amazon :(

Kev

- Original Message -
From: Gavin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Kev' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED];
313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 3:33 PM
Subject: RE: (313) Laurent Garnier


 Yes, 1st of october it's released. Word of advice, if you order it direct
 from FCOM, you get 2 free bonus CD's/

 Et voila.






 -Original Message-
 From: Kev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 11 September 2003 15:14
 To: Grammenos, Peter; 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: Re: (313) Laurent Garnier


 Hi,

 Any info on when this is available / where from?

 Kev

 - Original Message -
 From: Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 313@hyperreal.org
 Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 3:06 PM
 Subject: (313) Laurent Garnier


 
  A new release from Garnier with three mixes he's done over the past few
  years, one in detroit. Was anyone at the detroit show ? Too bad they
 didn't
  add the Sonar mix from this year!
 
 
  Laurent Garnier : Excess Luggage
 
  Extremely limited release! Features 3 live mix CDs. Disc 1 'Mix At
Sonar',
  recorded live in June 2000, disc 2 'Mix In Detroit', recorded live in
  November 2002, and disc 3 'PBB Late Night Mix'. Packaged in a metal
  'mini-suitcase', which folds out, and features room for 2 more discs,
 which
  will be available exclusively through the F Communications label website
  ('10 Years At The Rex Club Mix',  'BBC Annie On One Mix'). Also
includes
 a
  20 page color booklet designesd especially for this tour.
 
  ---
  Peter Grammenos
  Goldman Sachs  Co.
  Tel : 212.902.2446
  ---
 

(313) Ken Ishii in Chicago

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

Ken Ishii is playing this Saturday (9/13) at Spundae in Chicago which is
really cool but look who they've paired him up with


Saturday 9/13:
Ken Ishi, Dave Ralph
Szmurlo and Sanchez *special birthday set*



AND they spelled his name wrong - on the email flyer there is a picture of
Ken with the same spelling of his name.

What the hell is wrong with these people?

they should stick with people like Tiesto or who ever DJ magazine readers
end up picking as their top 5 DJs this year.

oh, if you want to go to this, here is the info

Vision Nightclub
visionnightclub.com
640 N Dearborn
Chicago, IL
10pm - 5am, 21+ to enter
Tix Also Available at WANTICKETS.COM
and Another Level


MEK

RE: (313) Is this not the coolest mix?

[Ploegmakers, Joost]

shameless plug anyone from Holland on this list who also wouldn't mind
going mad on this kind of classic tracks once again, should definately
check out  Return up the Bass @ Tivoli de Helling(formerly de Vloer)
in Utrecht on saturday september 27th. Playing will be Eric Cycle (from
Quazar), P.A. (P.A. Presents), Plusminus and in the second room, little
old me will be playing tag with two friends, throwing house, electro,
techno, disco, new wave and what not into one big melting pot.
/shameless plug

hope to see you there,

and yes, this mix really cool. It's been ages since I last heard vortex,
one minor mess up in the middle, but who cares! Can I have some of your
water mate?

Joost 


 -Original Message-
 From: Matt MacQueen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: donderdag 11 september 2003 0:56
 To: Kent williams
 Cc: 313 list
 Subject: Re: (313) Is this not the coolest mix?
 
 
  The Ronny Pries Back In the Days Mix -- finally there's 
 something I
  can
  play for people and say 'this is why I like techno.'
 
  http://www.anodized.com/~rktic/rp-back_in_the_days.mp3
  http://www.anodized.com/~rktic/rp-back_in_the_days_playlist.txt
 
 thanks for posting this Kent, it's amazing... finally had 
 some time to 
 let it play all the way through.
 Woo!  I was sweating just listening to it, imagine 
 hearing that on 
 a giant system in a blacked-out warehouse... wow
 
 peace
 Matt MacQueen
 
 

Re: (313) Spundae Chicago

[Gary . Girard]

Bloody Spundae Chicago!

Anyone know how to stop those people from e-mailing their Spam?




[EMAIL PROTECTED] on 11/09/2003 15:44:38

To:   313@hyperreal.org
cc:

Subject:  (313) Ken Ishii in Chicago






Ken Ishii is playing this Saturday (9/13) at Spundae in Chicago which is
really cool but look who they've paired him up with


Saturday 9/13:
Ken Ishi, Dave Ralph
Szmurlo and Sanchez *special birthday set*



AND they spelled his name wrong - on the email flyer there is a picture of
Ken with the same spelling of his name.

What the hell is wrong with these people?

they should stick with people like Tiesto or who ever DJ magazine readers
end up picking as their top 5 DJs this year.

oh, if you want to go to this, here is the info

Vision Nightclub
visionnightclub.com
640 N Dearborn
Chicago, IL
10pm - 5am, 21+ to enter
Tix Also Available at WANTICKETS.COM
and Another Level


MEK

(313) RE: RIAA - Deviants Perverts

[Chris Anglesey]

...wonder how many of RIAA's staff and management were named on the list ??

RE: (313) Is this not the coolest mix?

[Langsman, Marc]

Aced 
/me bugs out in the office :] 
[better put those glowsticks back in my drawer!] 

peace,
marc

 -Original Message-
 From: Kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 2:44 PM
 To: 313 list
 Subject: (313) Is this not the coolest mix?
 
 
 The Ronny Pries Back In the Days Mix -- finally there's 
 something I can play for people and say 'this is why I like techno.'
 
 http://www.anodized.com/~rktic/rp-back_in_the_days.mp3
 http://www.anodized.com/~rktic/rp-back_in_the_days_playlist.txt
 
 

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Re: (313) Spundae Chicago

[atomly]

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 Bloody Spundae Chicago!
 
 Anyone know how to stop those people from e-mailing their Spam?

Did you read the mail?  It was from a list member.

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Re: (313) Spundae Chicago

[Gary . Girard]

I realise that, I mean all the other e-mails they send.

They must have got my address from 313  there's no way to unsub. I've
tried a few times!




atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 11/09/2003 16:11:34

To:   313@hyperreal.org
cc:

Subject:  Re: (313) Spundae Chicago


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 Bloody Spundae Chicago!

 Anyone know how to stop those people from e-mailing their Spam?

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RE: (313) Is this not the coolest mix?

[Mann, Ravinder [CCS]]

Im still at work but im trying hard not to rock to beat... Too much Whoa
DAMMITT
Energy Flash just kicked in I have shivers up my spine...

Nice Mix...its like... Seeing a good friend after a long time. Refreshing
yet you know each well.  

-Original Message-
From: Kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 08 September 2003 14:44
To: 313 list
Subject: (313) Is this not the coolest mix?


The Ronny Pries Back In the Days Mix -- finally there's something I can
play for people and say 'this is why I like techno.'

http://www.anodized.com/~rktic/rp-back_in_the_days.mp3
http://www.anodized.com/~rktic/rp-back_in_the_days_playlist.txt

(313) Washington Post article - net radio threatens to sue RIAA

[Erin Berg (WPL)]

Ha!  What goes around comes around - and this time from people who can
afford to fight back! Gotta love the law of karma...


http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=articlenode=contentId=A3
1245-2003Jul9notFound=true

Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA

[lisa]

It's yet another last ditch effort because they were unsuccessful in 
sueing many p2p companies whose software is used for legitimate purposes 
(of course, in addition to music sharing). Napster, et al were easy (in 
comparison) to tackle because of how they were constructed and used. the 
current crop of  p2p, not so easy plus they keep changing. so they came 
after the people, flexing their legal muscles whilst creeping people out 
at the thought that the government and/or RIAA can find out what you've 
been doing in the privacy of your home. privacy advocates have had lots 
to say about this (some of them in powerful positions) and although the 
US government could really give a f-ck ('cos they are quite interested 
in restricting our privacy), there are positive things happening in some 
courts choosing to not side with the RIAA. Let's hope it continues.


Until the system is balanced for all participants - in terms agreeable 
to each (artists, consumers/users, prod/dist companies, etc.) - it will 
not work and someone will be unhappy. So change must happen.


Martin, it's often cheaper for me to order new, non-US CDs  vinyl from 
a shop in Leeds than to get them here, even including shipping. Pretty 
ridiculous eh? And you should see how much they cost in Vancouver! I 
checked out a few vinyl  CD DJ shops there and found the prices to be 
really inflated. And yes, that's including the conversion from CA to US 
currency.  :P


On this general topic, ya'll might enjoy this:

http://www.downhillbattle.org/itunes/

lisa


Martin wrote:

This is nothing more than PR spin, they will probably drop the case due to
the fact that this 12yr old won't have to money nor will her parents. Plus
that will teach her to collect Backstreets boys sh*te - should be made the
law I think...

And you should try buying CD's in the UK, 3 times as much - still it keeps
Mick Hucknall off the streets...

md



11/9/03 1:40 PM Redmond, Ja'[EMAIL PROTECTED]



I really think the buying public should form a c.d. boycott until this stuff
stops. If they think a thirty percent drop is bad what if just 10% of the
people we contacted through e-mail stopped buying c.d.'s? That's a lot of
people. And the sales would drop even more. I hate for the artist to be in
the middle of this, but then maybe more of them would step up also.

I would love to try to get this started or join a boycott that may have
already started. I would need all the information,,i.e. facts,,rules and
everything to send to people so they can make an intelkligent decision
themselves. Does anyone know of where I can get the information behind the
lawsuits? 


Ja'Maul Redmond

PERKINS  WILL

1100 South Tryon Street, Suite 300
Charlotte, North Carolina 28203



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:30 PM
To: jurren baars
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA








$2000 for a thousand songs she allegedly shared through her computer?


that's $2 per song!!!

Do you suppose that the RIAA is looking at each song and each artist that
she downloaded and giving them their fair amount? As if she had bought a CD
from each of them - and then does that affect their chart position?

I really doubt they are distributing the money to the artists - many of whom
seem to be rather silent on the issue lately (that I've noticed). Anyone
see/hear/read artists speaking out against what the RIAA is doing?

I think their lawyers could drop $2000 at dinner after the pre-trial hearing
(business expense - it's a meeting to figure out the game plan, honest!).


MEK




   jurren baars

   [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:   313@hyperreal.org

   mail.comcc:

Subject:  Re: (313) 12 year
old is sued by the RIAA
   09/10/03 04:31 PM









the RIAA is now offering an amnesty program to filesharers, read here:
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNewsstoryID=3399602

some people are fighting back:
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=18658afl=frnd

the same thing is happening here in the netherlands; 'stichting brein' an
organisation that could be compared to the RIAA, has been demanding the
names of people who's IP adresses they've got. But the internetproviders
refuse to give those names, referring to those persons privacy rights.
christiaan alberdingk thijm [kazaa's lawyer] points out on the website of
his lawfirm why 'stichting brein' has not much chance of winning their fight
for those names.

i'm not sure what to think of all this.

first of all, the extreme long time it took the recording industry to do
something it could have done long ago, thereby only making things worse. and
secondly giving the public the wrong impression; the impression that
eventhough filesharing is not ok, it will have no consequence on you.

the way they sue 

Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA

[Martin]

11/9/03 3:31 PM [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Martin, it's often cheaper for me to order new, non-US CDs  vinyl from
 a shop in Leeds than to get them here, even including shipping. Pretty
 ridiculous eh? And you should see how much they cost in Vancouver! I
 checked out a few vinyl  CD DJ shops there and found the prices to be
 really inflated. And yes, that's including the conversion from CA to US
 currency.  :P

Really - surely we should be doing more licensing deals to make it cheaper
for the punter - I know we are looking to try and do this but it's so hard
to get anyone to reply...
martin

RE: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA

[Grammenos, Peter]

Yet some more conspiracy theories :

Shock factor aside, however, some observers believed the Senate's interest
in fighting illegal porn file-swapping is largely fueled by lobbying from
the recording industry. 

Wendy Seltzer, an attorney with the Electronic Frontier Foundation, said the
Senate was using the ever-popular political cause of cracking down on child
porn as a pretext to target peer-to-peer networks. There are plenty of other
technologies that pornographers employ that lawmakers leave alone


http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,60368,00.html




-Original Message-
From: lisa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:32 AM
To: Martin
Cc: Redmond, Ja'Maul; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; jurren baars;
313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA


It's yet another last ditch effort because they were unsuccessful in 
sueing many p2p companies whose software is used for legitimate purposes 
(of course, in addition to music sharing). Napster, et al were easy (in 
comparison) to tackle because of how they were constructed and used. the 
current crop of  p2p, not so easy plus they keep changing. so they came 
after the people, flexing their legal muscles whilst creeping people out 
at the thought that the government and/or RIAA can find out what you've 
been doing in the privacy of your home. privacy advocates have had lots 
to say about this (some of them in powerful positions) and although the 
US government could really give a f-ck ('cos they are quite interested 
in restricting our privacy), there are positive things happening in some 
courts choosing to not side with the RIAA. Let's hope it continues.

Until the system is balanced for all participants - in terms agreeable 
to each (artists, consumers/users, prod/dist companies, etc.) - it will 
not work and someone will be unhappy. So change must happen.

Martin, it's often cheaper for me to order new, non-US CDs  vinyl from 
a shop in Leeds than to get them here, even including shipping. Pretty 
ridiculous eh? And you should see how much they cost in Vancouver! I 
checked out a few vinyl  CD DJ shops there and found the prices to be 
really inflated. And yes, that's including the conversion from CA to US 
currency.  :P

On this general topic, ya'll might enjoy this:

http://www.downhillbattle.org/itunes/

lisa


Martin wrote:
 This is nothing more than PR spin, they will probably drop the case 
 due to the fact that this 12yr old won't have to money nor will her 
 parents. Plus that will teach her to collect Backstreets boys sh*te - 
 should be made the law I think...
 
 And you should try buying CD's in the UK, 3 times as much - still it 
 keeps Mick Hucknall off the streets...
 
 md
 
 
 
 11/9/03 1:40 PM Redmond, Ja'[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
I really think the buying public should form a c.d. boycott until this 
stuff stops. If they think a thirty percent drop is bad what if just 
10% of the people we contacted through e-mail stopped buying c.d.'s? 
That's a lot of people. And the sales would drop even more. I hate for 
the artist to be in the middle of this, but then maybe more of them 
would step up also.

I would love to try to get this started or join a boycott that may 
have already started. I would need all the information,,i.e. 
facts,,rules and everything to send to people so they can make an 
intelkligent decision themselves. Does anyone know of where I can get 
the information behind the lawsuits?

Ja'Maul Redmond

PERKINS  WILL

1100 South Tryon Street, Suite 300
Charlotte, North Carolina 28203



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:30 PM
To: jurren baars
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA







$2000 for a thousand songs she allegedly shared through her computer?

that's $2 per song!!!

Do you suppose that the RIAA is looking at each song and each artist 
that she downloaded and giving them their fair amount? As if she had 
bought a CD from each of them - and then does that affect their chart 
position?

I really doubt they are distributing the money to the artists - many 
of whom seem to be rather silent on the issue lately (that I've 
noticed). Anyone see/hear/read artists speaking out against what the 
RIAA is doing?

I think their lawyers could drop $2000 at dinner after the pre-trial 
hearing (business expense - it's a meeting to figure out the game 
plan, honest!).


MEK




jurren baars

[EMAIL PROTECTED]To:   313@hyperreal.org

mail.comcc:

 Subject:  Re: (313) 12 
year old is sued by the RIAA
09/10/03 04:31 PM









the RIAA is now offering an amnesty program to filesharers, read here: 
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNewsstoryID=3399602

some people are fighting back: 

RE: (313) C.D. Boycott.

[Michael Long]

Very informative site

http://www.boycott-riaa.com/

Mike


-Original Message-
From: Redmond, Ja'Maul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 9:13 AM
To: 313@hyperreal.org; Stephen Burd
Subject: RE: (313) C.D. Boycott.


I already have people wanting to put there name on a list .:)

I love it,,BUT


 actually what I would like to do, Is to send a very informative e-mail
including what the RIAA is doing and their Justification and Why as
consumers we shouldn't alow it. And then set a date where we would stop
purchasing c.d.s. We then can either send the e-mail to all of our friends
and/or start small boycotts within our individual cities. Also we will send
a copy to the RIAA with our intentions spelled out.

I will defintetly start it here in Charlotte N.C. and to people I know
through e-mail.

If you feel that the RIAA is justified, then that's o.k. No one forces a
boycott. But I just believe if that 30% c.d.sales drops to  40% or even 50%
things will change.

Now I heard the riaa was going to stop it anyway because of the
counter-suit. But I can't find where that is actually a fact. CNN and I
think Mixmag reported it. But the head of the RIAA has not made an official
announcement saying the same thing.




Ja'Maul Redmond

PERKINS  WILL

1100 South Tryon Street, Suite 300
Charlotte, North Carolina 28203



-Original Message-
From: Redmond, Ja'Maul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 9:59 AM
To: Ploegmakers, Joost; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA


you know that something is really going wrong when an industry starts
sueing it's own customers.


Exactly MY point!!
Ja'Maul Redmond

PERKINS  WILL

1100 South Tryon Street, Suite 300
Charlotte, North Carolina 28203



-Original Message-
From: Ploegmakers, Joost [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 9:52 AM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA


I think I saw David Bowie on TV the other day saying something like: you
know that something is really going wrong when an industry starts sueing
it's own customers.

I thought that was so spot on!

it's all getting totally rediculous.

Joost

 -Original Message-
 From: Redmond, Ja'Maul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: donderdag 11 september 2003 15:41
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; jurren baars
 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: RE: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA


 I really think the buying public should form a c.d. boycott until this
 stuff stops. If they think a thirty percent drop is bad what if just
 10% of the people we contacted through e-mail stopped buying c.d.'s?
 That's a lot of people. And the sales would drop even more. I hate for
 the artist to be in the middle of this, but then maybe more of them
 would step up also.

 I would love to try to get this started or join a boycott that may
 have already started. I would need all the information,,i.e.
 facts,,rules and everything to send to people so they can make an
 intelkligent decision themselves. Does anyone know of where I can get
 the information behind the lawsuits?

 Ja'Maul Redmond

 PERKINS  WILL

 1100 South Tryon Street, Suite 300
 Charlotte, North Carolina 28203



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:30 PM
 To: jurren baars
 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA






 $2000 for a thousand songs she allegedly shared through her computer?
 that's $2 per song!!!

 Do you suppose that the RIAA is looking at each song and each artist
 that she downloaded and giving them their fair amount? As if she had
 bought a CD from each of them - and then does that affect their chart
 position?

 I really doubt they are distributing the money to the artists
 - many of whom seem to be rather silent on the issue lately
 (that I've noticed). Anyone see/hear/read artists speaking
 out against what the RIAA is doing?

 I think their lawyers could drop $2000 at dinner after the pre-trial
 hearing (business expense - it's a meeting to figure out the game
 plan, honest!).


 MEK




   jurren baars

   [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:
 313@hyperreal.org

   mail.comcc:

Subject:  Re:
 (313) 12 year
 old is sued by the RIAA
   09/10/03 04:31 PM









 the RIAA is now offering an amnesty program to filesharers, read here:
 http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNewsstoryID=3399602

 some people are fighting back:
 http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=18658afl
=frnd

the same thing is happening here in the netherlands; 'stichting brein' an
organisation that could be compared to the RIAA, has been demanding the
names of people who's IP adresses they've got. But the internetproviders
refuse to give those names, referring 

(313) 7-Hurtz/Electroleum

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

F*cking cool new CD from Output Recordings

electro/techno funk and as deep as the RIAA's pockets

get this before you boycott any CD purchases

www.outputrecordings.com

MEK

Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA

[jurren baars]

Michael.Elliot-Knight wrote:

$2000 for a thousand songs she allegedly shared through her computer?
that's $2 per song!!!

Do you suppose that the RIAA is looking at each song and each artist that
she downloaded and giving them their fair amount?
As if she had bought a CD from each of them - and then does that affect
their chart position?

I really doubt they are distributing the money to the artists - many of
whom seem to be rather silent on the issue lately (that I've noticed).
Anyone see/hear/read artists speaking out against what the RIAA is doing?

i think i can safely say that of those $2000 exactly $0.00 goes to the 
artists.


why?

the RIAA protects the rights of the copyright owners. many, if not [almost] 
all artists signed to a major label will have signed a contract stating that 
the recordcompany will become the owner of all copyright. in return they'll 
pay for production and promotion, and the artist will get a percentage of 
the profits, or a certain amount that's agreed upon between both the artist 
and the recordlabel.


the only way artists are concerned in all this, is that if recordsales 
continue to drop, recordcompanies will offer their artists less money for 
their services.


jurren

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(313) RECORDING INDUSTRY SLASHED CD LABELS, RAISED PRICES DURING PERIOD IN

[ulysses]

RECORDING INDUSTRY SLASHED CD LABELS, RAISED PRICES DURING PERIOD IN
DISPUTE
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article.asp?section_id=2article_id=453

JAMES K. WILLCOX - While few dispute the [RIAA] numbers, some, such
as George Ziemann, are challenging the RIAA's inferences from them.
Ziemann, an Arizona-based musician and owner of Macwizards, a music
production company, was propelled into the debate when he wasn't able
to sell his band's CDs via online auctions on sites such as eBay,
Amazon, and Yahoo because they were burned on recordable CD-Rs. . .

As a result of that experience, Ziemann researched the RIAA's figures
and came to very different conclusions, released in a much-circulated
article, The RIAA's Statistics Don't Add Up, posted on his Web site
(azoz.com). He makes two key assertions: 1) that the labels raised CD
prices during a down economy, and 2) that they slashed the number of
new releases by almost 25% during the past three years. He says that
these factors, and not downloading, are responsible for sluggish CD
sales.

To arrive at the first conclusion, Ziemann took the RIAA's numbers
for the retail value of CDs sold and divided it by the units shipped
to determine an average CD price. He found that prices have steadily
increased, from an average of $12.05 in 1990 to $14.23 in 2001.

Although the numbers for 2002 weren't available when Ziemann did his
analysis, using the same formula we determined that the average CD
price reached $14.99 in 2002. But when you exclude the promotionally
priced CDs sold through record clubs or non-music stores like
Starbucks and the Gap, the average price rose from $14.31 in 1998 to
$17.09 in 2002. . .

In Ziemann's assessment, the combination of fewer releases and higher
prices - not free downloads - caused sales to slump. His argument is
bolstered by Josh Bernoff, an analyst at Forrester Research, who
pointed out in a report issued last August that this isn't the first
time booming CD sales have plunged. For instance, during the
recession in 1991 - long before anyone even knew what a download was -
CD sales growth fell from 15% to 4%. When you consider that the
annual rise in the country's gross domestic product slowed by 36%
from 1999 to 2002 and that the SP 500 dropped an equally depressing
28.78% during the same period, the recent 9% decline in sales doesn't
seem so dramatic - particularly for a format that's been around for
20 years.

AW: (313) Is this not the coolest mix?

[Ronny Pries]

:)

You just made my day.

Ronny

 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
 Von: Mann, Ravinder [CCS] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. September 2003 17:19
 An: 'Kent williams'
 Cc: '313'
 Betreff: RE: (313) Is this not the coolest mix?
 
 
 Im still at work but im trying hard not to rock to beat... 
 Too much Whoa DAMMITT Energy Flash just kicked in I have 
 shivers up my spine...
 
 Nice Mix...its like... Seeing a good friend after a long 
 time. Refreshing yet you know each well.  
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: 08 September 2003 14:44
 To: 313 list
 Subject: (313) Is this not the coolest mix?
 
 
 The Ronny Pries Back In the Days Mix -- finally there's 
 something I can play for people and say 'this is why I like techno.'
 
http://www.anodized.com/~rktic/rp-back_in_the_days.mp3
http://www.anodized.com/~rktic/rp-back_in_the_days_playlist.txt

(313)Beltran tonight

[john arnold]

Hello list,

I will be having John Beltran as my guest this evening(9/11/03), 10-2am.

where:

Lush Lounge
10241 joseph campau
hamtramck
313-872-6220

cheers,

john

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(313) Lfo

[Martin]

New LFO site

http://www.warprecords.com/lfo/

(313) sampling vs. replaying vs. interpolation (was re: Neptunes/Nelly)

[andrewduke]

distinctions need to be made re: sampling, replaying,
and interpolating because the terms are often confused
and/or misused.

sampling is re-using already-recorded lyrics as well as
already-recorded music or both.

many replay already-recorded music (or revocalize in
the case of re-singing or re-rapping) instead of
sampling already-recorded music/lyrics for two reasons:
#1: legally replaying already-recorded music/lyrics is
cheaper than legally sampling already-recorded
music/lyrics; #2: some artists will allow their
already-recorded music/lyrics to be
replayed/sung/rapped in a new release, but will not
allow it to be sampled

here's a complicated example:  mantronix records a song
called king of the beats in which he chops up a ton
of things and makes a medley.  there aren't any
credits.  snap takes a snippet from king of the beats
(one which i'm guessing was mantronix messing with bob
james' take me to the mardi gras; you'd recognize
this from the tone of the percussion; missy's work it
samples run-dmc sampling bob james' take me to the
mardi gras; anyway, i'm digressing; snap used the
mantronix bit to form the instrumental basis for the
power; they grabbed lyrics from a chill rob g acapella
, rearranged 'em, and added new ones, as well as
stealing chill rob g's flow-style and came up with the
power; the proper credits for the power should have
credited the beat as having been sampled from
mantronix, the rap as being sampled from chill rob g,
and also the rap as being an interpolation of rob g
(because the new non-rob g lyrics were also in his
style); unfortunately neither rob g nor mantronix got
credited.   despite rob g and his label winning a legal
battle with snap (and this getting some money), rob g's
career was ruined because his hardcore fans thought
the power was a rob g song and thought he had sold
out.  the label then re-released the rob g album that
contained the song that snap had sampled and
interpolated for the power and, to make matters
worse, added a rob g version of the power (against
rob g's wishes). this version was basically snap's the
power with a different (and out of tune) vocalist
singing I've got the power! (it sounds dreadful). so
the woman was replaying (vocaly) the original the
power's hook. complicated, innit?  i'm figuring
mantronix didn't put up a fuss because, even though he
was sampled for the power not because that bit may or
may not have originated from bob james (it's messed up
too much to prove it either way), there *are* bits in
that same song (and elsewhere) where mantronix did not
mess things up enough to render the original
unrecognizable; so he probably wanted to avoid
potential hot water.  why run dmc and bob james didn't
get mentioned in the credits for the missy song, i
dunno.

interpolation is something similar to sampling and
replaying in that the new piece (that contains the
interpolation) is based on something that came before
but different in that nothing is lifted or re-done
exactly as is: interpolation is doing a new piece
based on the ideas/themes of something else, and, like
sampling and replaying, applies to things other than
music (for example, there is a mountain dew (soda/pop)
tv commercial that interpolates a looney tunes cartoon
sketch; ie it has live humans recreating a famous wile
coyote scene from a cartoon; at the end of the tv
commercial, it says in the small print at the bottom of
the screen that it is based on themes created by loony
tunes ie interpolation)

nelly's rap in hot in herre is an interpolation of
the funk classic bustin' loose ie nelly is rapping
with the same flow as bustin' loose and quoting a
smidgeon of the bustin' loose lyrics in his rap. thus
the credit.  but the neptunes, at least in that song,
are not doing any sampling, replaying, or interpolation
of bustin' loose's music.  

the neptunes are involved with other songs that feature
sampling/replaying/interpolate on occasion, however. 
one example i can think of is this one:  they produced
p.diddy's d.i.d.d.y; the title chant in d.i.d.d.y
is an interpolation of bdp/krs one's jimmy (the way
krs one says the j the i the m the m the y...it's
jimmy is echoed in the same way in d.i.d.d.y); also
there is a credit for eric b and rakim on d.i.d.d.y
which could refer to p.diddy interpolating a bit of a
rakim rap on d.i.d.d.y or perhaps the neptunes
replaying or sampling a bit of an eric b beat and/or
bdp beat.  i've tried but haven't been able to figure
out which it is.

the confusing thing about credits is that though it
might say X contains an interpolation of Y in the
credits, it doesn't say whether it is the music or the
lyrics or both from Y that are being interpolated in
X; and it is even more confusing when, instead of
saying in the credits what is sampled, what is
replayed, and what is interpolated, there is just a
long line of names in the credits. some hip hop and r n
b songs these days have literally ten or more names in
the credits because there is so much sampling 

Re: (313) Ken Ishii in Chicago

[MM]

well spundae is from the westcoast and they are typical westcoast promotions,
and yes i wish they would go away...welcome to my world for the last 10
years  ;-)


michael


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ken Ishii is playing this Saturday (9/13) at Spundae in Chicago which is
 really cool but look who they've paired him up with

 Saturday 9/13:
 Ken Ishi, Dave Ralph
 Szmurlo and Sanchez *special birthday set*

 AND they spelled his name wrong - on the email flyer there is a picture of
 Ken with the same spelling of his name.

 What the hell is wrong with these people?

 they should stick with people like Tiesto or who ever DJ magazine readers
 end up picking as their top 5 DJs this year.

 oh, if you want to go to this, here is the info

 Vision Nightclub
 visionnightclub.com
 640 N Dearborn
 Chicago, IL
 10pm - 5am, 21+ to enter
 Tix Also Available at WANTICKETS.COM
 and Another Level

 MEK

Re: (313) Lfo

[Roland van Oorschot]

At 20:08 11-9-2003, you wrote:

New LFO site

http://www.warprecords.com/lfo/


Thanx!

Did some deeplinking again:
http://downloads.warprecords.com/lfo/LFO_FREAK.mov

Enjoy the video =)

R.


---
http://www.funxiun.com

.dark.elektronix.

RE: (313) Spundae Chicago

[FC2 Richards]

o...Dave Ralph! 

MY Hero!!

I'm just s sad that I can't get out of town this weekend, because I'd
really like to waste my money and go see him!  And who is this Ken Ishi guy?

;)

Jeff

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 3:01 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Spundae Chicago



Bloody Spundae Chicago!

Anyone know how to stop those people from e-mailing their Spam?




[EMAIL PROTECTED] on 11/09/2003 15:44:38

To:   313@hyperreal.org
cc:

Subject:  (313) Ken Ishii in Chicago






Ken Ishii is playing this Saturday (9/13) at Spundae in Chicago which is
really cool but look who they've paired him up with


Saturday 9/13:
Ken Ishi, Dave Ralph
Szmurlo and Sanchez *special birthday set*



AND they spelled his name wrong - on the email flyer there is a picture of
Ken with the same spelling of his name.

What the hell is wrong with these people?

they should stick with people like Tiesto or who ever DJ magazine readers
end up picking as their top 5 DJs this year.

oh, if you want to go to this, here is the info

Vision Nightclub
visionnightclub.com
640 N Dearborn
Chicago, IL
10pm - 5am, 21+ to enter
Tix Also Available at WANTICKETS.COM
and Another Level


MEK

RE: (313) Spundae Chicago

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

Ken is a Japanese techno artist who had worked with Inner City and does
some pretty cool sh*t - has released several iK7 records (including an X
mix) and used to be on RS, Reel, and Sublime

you might know him as Flare

MEK



   
  FC2 Richards  
   
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:   '313@hyperreal.org' 
313@hyperreal.org 
  .navy.mil   cc:  
   
   Subject:  RE: (313) Spundae 
Chicago 
  09/11/03 04:47 AM 
   

   

   




o...Dave Ralph!

MY Hero!!

I'm just s sad that I can't get out of town this weekend, because I'd
really like to waste my money and go see him!  And who is this Ken Ishi
guy?

;)

Jeff

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 3:01 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Spundae Chicago



Bloody Spundae Chicago!

Anyone know how to stop those people from e-mailing their Spam?




[EMAIL PROTECTED] on 11/09/2003 15:44:38

To:   313@hyperreal.org
cc:

Subject:  (313) Ken Ishii in Chicago






Ken Ishii is playing this Saturday (9/13) at Spundae in Chicago which is
really cool but look who they've paired him up with


Saturday 9/13:
Ken Ishi, Dave Ralph
Szmurlo and Sanchez *special birthday set*



AND they spelled his name wrong - on the email flyer there is a picture of
Ken with the same spelling of his name.

What the hell is wrong with these people?

they should stick with people like Tiesto or who ever DJ magazine readers
end up picking as their top 5 DJs this year.

oh, if you want to go to this, here is the info

Vision Nightclub
visionnightclub.com
640 N Dearborn
Chicago, IL
10pm - 5am, 21+ to enter
Tix Also Available at WANTICKETS.COM
and Another Level


MEK

RE: (313) Spundae Chicago

[Quest Pond]

I love some of Ken Ishii's early releases,minimal, funky and wierd, he is sort 
of like a Japanese style Dan Bell type in my mind. 

Unfortunately last time i saw him playing in Sydney expecting him to dig out 
'garden in the palm' and 'Pneuma' style stuff,  he bludgeoned me to boredom 
with 4/4 average house music instead.  Does he always do this?


Another legend disappoints...


Quest Pond


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 11 September 2003 7:26 PM
 To: FC2 Richards
 Cc: '313@hyperreal.org'
 Subject: RE: (313) Spundae Chicago
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Ken is a Japanese techno artist who had worked with Inner 
 City and does
 some pretty cool sh*t - has released several iK7 records 
 (including an X
 mix) and used to be on RS, Reel, and Sublime
 
 you might know him as Flare
 
 MEK
 
 
   
  
   FC2 Richards
  
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]To:   
 '313@hyperreal.org' 313@hyperreal.org 
   .navy.mil   cc:
  
Subject:  RE: 
 (313) Spundae Chicago 
   09/11/03 04:47 AM   
  
   
  
   
  
 
 
 
 
 o...Dave Ralph!
 
 MY Hero!!
 
 I'm just s sad that I can't get out of town this weekend, 
 because I'd
 really like to waste my money and go see him!  And who is 
 this Ken Ishi
 guy?
 
 ;)
 
 Jeff
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 3:01 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: Re: (313) Spundae Chicago
 
 
 
 Bloody Spundae Chicago!
 
 Anyone know how to stop those people from e-mailing their Spam?
 
 
 
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 11/09/2003 15:44:38
 
 To:   313@hyperreal.org
 cc:
 
 Subject:  (313) Ken Ishii in Chicago
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Ken Ishii is playing this Saturday (9/13) at Spundae in 
 Chicago which is
 really cool but look who they've paired him up with
 
 
 Saturday 9/13:
 Ken Ishi, Dave Ralph
 Szmurlo and Sanchez *special birthday set*
 
 
 
 AND they spelled his name wrong - on the email flyer there is 
 a picture of
 Ken with the same spelling of his name.
 
 What the hell is wrong with these people?
 
 they should stick with people like Tiesto or who ever DJ 
 magazine readers
 end up picking as their top 5 DJs this year.
 
 oh, if you want to go to this, here is the info
 
 Vision Nightclub
 visionnightclub.com
 640 N Dearborn
 Chicago, IL
 10pm - 5am, 21+ to enter
 Tix Also Available at WANTICKETS.COM
 and Another Level
 
 
 MEK
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

RE: (313) Spundae Chicago

[doris]

when he played the majestic at the first demf, he was rather 
underwhelming.  but then again, nobody showed up so maybe he wasn't quite 
feelin' it.


On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, Quest Pond wrote:

 Unfortunately last time i saw him playing in Sydney expecting him to dig
 out 'garden in the palm' and 'Pneuma' style stuff, he bludgeoned me to
 boredom with 4/4 average house music instead.  Does he always do this?

RE: (313) Spundae Chicago

[yussel]

he was underwhelming in chicago in 1997 (98?)

the first record he played was Suger Daddy-O. And he started it at 45
instead of 33 1/3. S he just grabbed off the needle and put it back to the
beginning.

He also was no good at the transmat miami party in '01

proceed with caution.

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, doris wrote:

 when he played the majestic at the first demf, he was rather
 underwhelming.  but then again, nobody showed up so maybe he wasn't quite
 feelin' it.


 On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, Quest Pond wrote:

  Unfortunately last time i saw him playing in Sydney expecting him to dig
  out 'garden in the palm' and 'Pneuma' style stuff, he bludgeoned me to
  boredom with 4/4 average house music instead.  Does he always do this?

RE: (313) Spundae Chicago

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

But BUY HIS RECORDS!

;)

MEK



   
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  et   To:   doris [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]  
   cc:   Quest Pond [EMAIL 
PROTECTED], 
  09/11/03 02:03 PM 313@hyperreal.org   
   
   Subject:  RE: (313) Spundae 
Chicago 

   




he was underwhelming in chicago in 1997 (98?)

the first record he played was Suger Daddy-O. And he started it at 45
instead of 33 1/3. S he just grabbed off the needle and put it back to the
beginning.

He also was no good at the transmat miami party in '01

proceed with caution.

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, doris wrote:

 when he played the majestic at the first demf, he was rather
 underwhelming.  but then again, nobody showed up so maybe he wasn't quite
 feelin' it.


 On Thu, 11 Sep 2003, Quest Pond wrote:

  Unfortunately last time i saw him playing in Sydney expecting him to
dig
  out 'garden in the palm' and 'Pneuma' style stuff, he bludgeoned me to
  boredom with 4/4 average house music instead.  Does he always do this?

(313) Ken Ishii in Chicago

[Phonopsia]

- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: doris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Quest Pond [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 8:03 PM
Subject: RE: (313) Spundae Chicago


 he was underwhelming in chicago in 1997 (98?)

 the first record he played was Suger Daddy-O. And he started it at 45
 instead of 33 1/3. S he just grabbed off the needle and put it back to the
 beginning.


Was this the party in the high school gym with Derrick May, Derrick Carter
and John Acquaviva, where the main room DJs were on decks at the top of some
bleachers? If so, I must agree. Trainwrecks galore from Ishii! The sound in
there was ass, so who knows if that had anything to do with it. Think it was
early '98 if memory timelines of ex-girlfriends can be trusted. ;) Derrick
Carter was very very good that night - first time I saw him. Derrick May
played mostly tracks from the Mayday mix in a very similar order. Good, but
a bit deflating.

Tristan
===
http://www.phonopsia.co.uk
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: (313)Beltran tonight

[scotto]

if you want to hear what john is playing these dayz, i have a set of him
playing my old radio show up in the archive. it's some very nice brazilian
house. recorded late winter 2003 (feb?)

www.plaztikjezuz.com/radioshow.html --quicklink

-scotto
 lansing, mi.
 plaztikjezuz.com


- Original Message -
From: john arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 12:45 PM
Subject: (313)Beltran tonight



 Hello list,

 I will be having John Beltran as my guest this evening(9/11/03), 10-2am.

 where:

 Lush Lounge
 10241 joseph campau
 hamtramck
 313-872-6220

 cheers,

 john

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Re: (313) 12 year old is sued by the RIAA

[Rc]

The P2P lobby group (made up of all the P2P software owners) have agreed to
pay the $2000 on behalf of the girl.

If the other 260 people that were sued by the RIAA were smart they'd ask the
P2P lobby group to pay for their costs too.

After all it is only the P2P companies and ISPs that are making money from
the infringing trade of copyright material across networks.




on 12/9/03 12:45 AM, Martin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This is nothing more than PR spin, they will probably drop the case due to
 the fact that this 12yr old won't have to money nor will her parents. Plus
 that will teach her to collect Backstreets boys sh*te - should be made the
 law I think...
 
 And you should try buying CD's in the UK, 3 times as much - still it keeps
 Mick Hucknall off the streets...
 
 md
 
 
 
 11/9/03 1:40 PM Redmond, Ja'[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 I really think the buying public should form a c.d. boycott until this stuff
 stops. If they think a thirty percent drop is bad what if just 10% of the
 people we contacted through e-mail stopped buying c.d.'s? That's a lot of
 people. And the sales would drop even more. I hate for the artist to be in
 the middle of this, but then maybe more of them would step up also.
 
 I would love to try to get this started or join a boycott that may have
 already started. I would need all the information,,i.e. facts,,rules and
 everything to send to people so they can make an intelkligent decision
 themselves. Does anyone know of where I can get the information behind the
 lawsuits? 
 
 Ja'Maul Redmond
 
 PERKINS  WILL
 
 1100 South Tryon Street, Suite 300
 Charlotte, North Carolina 28203
 
 
 
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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:30 PM
 To: jurren baars
 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
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 $2000 for a thousand songs she allegedly shared through her computer?
 that's $2 per song!!!
 
 Do you suppose that the RIAA is looking at each song and each artist that
 she downloaded and giving them their fair amount? As if she had bought a CD
 from each of them - and then does that affect their chart position?
 
 I really doubt they are distributing the money to the artists - many of whom
 seem to be rather silent on the issue lately (that I've noticed). Anyone
 see/hear/read artists speaking out against what the RIAA is doing?
 
 I think their lawyers could drop $2000 at dinner after the pre-trial hearing
 (business expense - it's a meeting to figure out the game plan, honest!).
 
 
 MEK
 
 
 
 
 jurren baars
 
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 Subject:  Re: (313) 12 year
 old is sued by the RIAA
 09/10/03 04:31 PM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 the RIAA is now offering an amnesty program to filesharers, read here:
 http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNewsstoryID=3399602
 
 some people are fighting back:
 http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=18658afl=frnd
 
 the same thing is happening here in the netherlands; 'stichting brein' an
 organisation that could be compared to the RIAA, has been demanding the
 names of people who's IP adresses they've got. But the internetproviders
 refuse to give those names, referring to those persons privacy rights.
 christiaan alberdingk thijm [kazaa's lawyer] points out on the website of
 his lawfirm why 'stichting brein' has not much chance of winning their fight
 for those names.
 
 i'm not sure what to think of all this.
 
 first of all, the extreme long time it took the recording industry to do
 something it could have done long ago, thereby only making things worse. and
 secondly giving the public the wrong impression; the impression that
 eventhough filesharing is not ok, it will have no consequence on you.
 
 the way they sue 12 year olds doesn't really help them either, it's like a
 shopkeeper who sees hundreds of people stealing from his shop day in day
 out, and finally does something about it, by picking out the weekest person
 
 that has ever done so, in the case a 12 year old.
 
 third, i'm really puzzled by all these settlements. $2000 for a thousand
 songs she allegedly shared through her computer? that's $2 per song!!! in
 court the RIAA would have to convince the judge and the jury that this girls
 filesharing has caused the recording industry $2000 damage. they could NEVER
 pull that off! they would even face a hard time trying to prove that there
 is a direct link beteen the decrease in sales in the music industry, and
 filesharing. just look at the shift in sales towards dvd's or even
 ringtones, and combine that with the bad economy.
 
 jurren
 
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