Re: (313) it's a rave in hart plaza
I really dig it. But I am surprised that the hype kicks in now... Cee- Lo's last albums had that potential too. Maybe it's the DangerMouse connection. Each to his own, eh! On 18/04/2006, at 11:17 PM, Stoddard, Kamal wrote: ot Gnarls barkley sucks fatty. The only good song is I try and it's amazing. The rest shows they obviously didn't. same ole shxt on every other track. /ot K -Original Message- From: Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 1:31 AM To: 313 list Subject: Re: (313) it's a rave in hart plaza I wouldn't say it's the latest sounds on there, it's all pretty established, as I see it - the scene moves pretty fast. I think the next big thing will be that electronic type emo of Nathan Fake, and Border Community (which I really like but is v trendy). Sebastien Tellier even... If you wanted to be really hot hot hot you'd also get Gnarls Barkley for the urban side. I think the line-up is repping a certain scene different to before, that happens every year, keeps it different at least? On 18/04/2006, at 4:32 AM, fabrice Lig wrote: I think its a good thing to follow the new trends for a festival, but last year was perfect...Paxahau's job in their room was great, different than the main stage, more clubby atmosphere. But for me a Detroit festival is the chance to let all the Detroit legend and new artists from Detroit to express themselves in front of the people they deserve...So I mean, all the U.R, Transmat, Puzzlebox, Metroplex, KMS, etc people...Some special things...why not a J.Mills Wizard mix...Or philarmonic orchestra with U.R/Jeff Mills like in France. Some Hip-Hop artists from Detroit was a good idea...some Jazz stuff too... I remember last year, U.R camp' stress before their Live act...It was the first time they played live in fromt onf their families...Thats, what we expect as Detroit fans...See some Detroit artist playing in their real environment, I think its something special. At first a DETROIT tribute and then, some support artists like the European new artists or confirmed...But as I've seen in a previous message..., why to do a kind of Sonar or other European festival in US, when you are in the city where everything started...something than no other cities in the world can do ? Also, I'm afraid then the Mutek line up will be a bit similar than Detroit festival as they have lot of minimal acts...so even commercialy, I think its maybe not so good for the festival. So, finaly..Its a bit like doing a sweets festival in switzerland without chocolate as the star of the show ... ;-)...sorry for the comparison, ah ! ah ! Fabrice Fabrice Lig http://www.multimania.com/fabricelig/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) it's a rave in hart plaza Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:27:15 -0500 I'd rather it not happen at all instead of going this way (Derrick Carter, Donald Glaude, Planet of Drums, Josh Wink, Doc Martin, the overload of minimal, etc.) What I've noticed in all the previous incarnations, from DEMF (original) to Movement to Fuse-In, the music was progressive - as in future moving - forward thinking. The line-up for Pax's version of DEMF is mostly artists of today - right this split second - not the stuff that will be in a year or two. The rest of the line-up can't be announced too soon. MEK Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 04/14/2006 09:27:52 PM: The festival has always had its ups and downs. I'm just glad it's happening after all. Another year, another totally off the hook drama :) Fred
Re: (313) it's a rave in hart plaza
I don't think the fest should necessarily take that route, but I was just arguing if you *wanted* to follow the latest trend, that's the way to go. I think this year's festival is representing a certain sound/scene, not the latest sound. My favourite year was the Movement year probably... or the year Carl did it before Marvin intervened. But if it assumes a different character every year that's a good thing - so long as it's not all rave. BTW I don't think Derrick will be playing in 2006 from what I have been told but you never know. I do like some of that emotronica (cute name!) and I've never, ever been into indie (aside from Echo The Bunnymen). Richie Hawtin is supporting that sound, and is a big Nathan Fake fan, as it happens!!! I have his album and like it, but I also like the Voom Voom album at present (v good Detroit sounds on there, minimal, the lot, great stuff). The vibe on Gnarls is massive which intrigues me - as why now? I love that album but I have followed everything Cee-Lo does for years. It's very eccentric. If I were to advise on the fest (not likely!) I'd have Kelley Polar for sure. On 19/04/2006, at 12:29 AM, J.T. wrote: haha thats what i was about to say..gnarls barkley? ceelo and dangermouse? soul will never be hot hot hot and neither is ceelo's voice...very acquired taste. and emotronica or whatever is really developing in a whole different sphere than dance music...indie kids and hipsters and post-rockers etci know lots of these types...and now they're digging into old chi house and stuff. mostly they dont really get detroit techno...i dunno...it's pretty weird. gentrification of electronic music pt 17 every year of the festival there has been plenty of detroit techno, underground electro, underground house...with a sprinkling of more popular stuff. this year that's flipped, err except no electro at all so far and uh...welll...we'll s the festival was special for being a success (doh!) even while it pushed lesser-known (but QUALITY) electronic music -- the kinda stuff 313 used to be about. it's no surprise if it cant keep doing thatbut it also loses everything that made it so special. i'm really tired, feeling cynical...i should just leave it to MEK, who i think has put things very eloquently... ot Gnarls barkley sucks fatty. The only good song is I try and it's amazing. The rest shows they obviously didn't. same ole shxt on every other track. /ot K -Original Message- From: Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 1:31 AM To: 313 list Subject: Re: (313) it's a rave in hart plaza I wouldn't say it's the latest sounds on there, it's all pretty established, as I see it - the scene moves pretty fast. I think the next big thing will be that electronic type emo of Nathan Fake, and Border Community (which I really like but is v trendy). Sebastien Tellier even... If you wanted to be really hot hot hot you'd also get Gnarls Barkley for the urban side. I think the line-up is repping a certain scene different to before, that happens every year, keeps it different at least? On 18/04/2006, at 4:32 AM, fabrice Lig wrote: I think its a good thing to follow the new trends for a festival, but last year was perfect...Paxahau's job in their room was great, different than the main stage, more clubby atmosphere. But for me a Detroit festival is the chance to let all the Detroit legend and new artists from Detroit to express themselves in front of the people they deserve...So I mean, all the U.R, Transmat, Puzzlebox, Metroplex, KMS, etc people...Some special things...why not a J.Mills Wizard mix...Or philarmonic orchestra with U.R/Jeff Mills like in France. Some Hip-Hop artists from Detroit was a good idea...some Jazz stuff too... I remember last year, U.R camp' stress before their Live act...It was the first time they played live in fromt onf their families...Thats, what we expect as Detroit fans...See some Detroit artist playing in their real environment, I think its something special. At first a DETROIT tribute and then, some support artists like the European new artists or confirmed...But as I've seen in a previous message..., why to do a kind of Sonar or other European festival in US, when you are in the city where everything started...something than no other cities in the world can do ? Also, I'm afraid then the Mutek line up will be a bit similar than Detroit festival as they have lot of minimal acts...so even commercialy, I think its maybe not so good for the festival. So, finaly..Its a bit like doing a sweets festival in switzerland without chocolate as the star of the show ... ;-)...sorry for the comparison, ah ! ah ! Fabrice Fabrice Lig http://www.multimania.com/fabricelig/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) it's a rave in hart plaza Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:27:15 -0500 I'd rather it not happen at
Re: (313) chicago music festival
On 4/18/06, chad cumby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this is cool, but i hope they add to that lineup before july.. lots of great musicians old and young still active in chicago who draw big crowds. steve poindexter, hieroglyphic being, green velvet, dj funk (!), marshall jefferson, FARLEY FUNK, etc. even kenny jammin jason is on v103 every friday night for the oldschool mix. nah, what would they want with those guys? innovators from the city? phooey on that! they should book aphrodite, layo and bushwacka, magda, villalobos, charles feelgood, and dj dan. then their festival can be just like detroit's! :) tom
Re: (313) it's a rave in hart plaza
On 4/18/06, Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The vibe on Gnarls is massive which intrigues me - as why now? I love that album but I have followed everything Cee-Lo does for years. It's very eccentric. people think all hiphop from the south is either lil jon or outkast. they dont know what to do with cee-lo since he's neither of those things. If I were to advise on the fest (not likely!) I'd have Kelley Polar for sure. thats a really good idea. maybe they could put him right inbetween photek and regis. tom
Re: (313) chicago music festival
On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, chad cumby wrote: this could be a really great event in a nice venue, which has been poorly used since Daley bulldozed Meigs field to build it. I love that story!
Re: (313) new carl craig mixes/beauty room
Delia Gavin mix is great! I think the reason sweeney talks across it is so that people can't edit it and play it out ahead of its release. And I was always under the impression that tres demented used a 606, not an 808. Those toms are a bit of a giveaway. Carlos de Brito [EMAIL PROTECTED] 19/04/2006 2:07:36 am you can listen that remix for delia and gavin on this beats in space show: http://www.beatsinspace.net/audio/2006/jan31/bis013106part2.mp3 Part 2: ... 17. Lindstrom - Another Station (Todd Terje Remix) - Feedelity 18. Theo Parrish - Ugly Edit 7 19. Delia gavin - Revelee (Carl Craig remix) - DFA 20. Syclops - The Fly - Tirk ... sadly, tim sweeney talks massively over that track, but hey, you get an idea how killer that track must sound on a big system. c* [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Delia galvin from DFA??? It just can NOT be the new CC style... whaddya mean? I meant I think their music sounds like his new style music. or it reminds me of him anyway. do you not think? its probs just me then. just an opinion. I always thought they sounded pretty similar. darkness etc? 5 pound says both parties have been listening to alot of krautrock v.recently. p.s. hope its sunny in brazil. its fecking raining here. I blame you. ; ) but anyway. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
(313) hydrogen economy 4.15
approx time . artist . title . album or LABEL 00:00:00 . antipop consortium . we kill soap scum . arrhythmia 00:02:44 . vitalic . trahison . ok cowboy 00:07:20 . medeski martin and wood . hay hee hi ho (illyB remix) . note bleu 00:11:17 . once11 . before the operation . smile hunter 00:18:22 . jackson and his computer band . tv dogs . smash 00:21:54 . mia doi todd . muscle, bone, and blood (ammon contact mix) . la ninja 00:25:50 . lawrence . wasting a fall . idol tryouts 2 00:35:48 . one self . be your own (amp fiddler's bubz mix) . radio sampler 00:39:52 . gotan project . tango cancion . lunatico 00:45:42 . slam . human (swayzak rmx) . route de la slack 00:50:42 . ms john soda . plenty of . notes and the like 00:54:38 . le tigre . deceptacon (dfa rmx) . dfa remixes vol 1 01:00:44 . alta infidelidad . cancion de cuna . cactus y volcanes 01:04:18 . digitalis . synthetik . zeitraum 01:13:05 . system 01 . drugs work (3phase remix) . novamute 1.1 01:15:45 . technasia . birth of a hero . popsoda 01:22:13 . juno reactor . navaras . labyrinth 01:31:03 . adam beyer . ignition key (speedy j rmx) . TRUESOUL 01:40:26 . rei harakami . triple flat . november ep 01:46:33 . kenny larkin . my reflection . the narcissist 01:53:57 . dj kage . elektronk waves (brian kage . LUMINA 01:54:15 . adam jay . regret (dj kage remix) . LUMINA 01:58:44 . laurent garnier . greed (fabrice lig rmx) . FCOMM 02:05:10 . mark broom . honey rose . PURE PLASTIC 02:10:18 . abraham . what gives with you (herbert hand and fire dub) . JBO 02:18:03 . negativland . the perfect cut (rooty poops) . helter stupid 02:21:50 . mathew jonson . 911 how can i help you? . moss rocks 02:28:07 . localfields . simp . length scales 02:33:06 . jeff mills . if (we) . PURPOSE MAKER 02:44:01 . maetrik vs muriel ito . hometown destructor . data addict 02:45:12 . repeat repeat . blippy . SOMA 02:55:32 . millsart . b1 . every dog has its day vol 2 new stuff in the studio this week: antipop consortium technasia vitalic medeski martin and wood once11 future guests: april 29 - birthday show number 1! with brad rhodes may 13 - rescheduled birthday show number 2! with gys and mattysteps you can listen to the recording here: http://dirty.org/~mkb/media/ h2e20060415.mp3 the hydrogen economy is broadcast every saturday night at midnight US eastern (9PM PDT) on 90.3 WRIU FM in kingston, RI. webcasts are available at www.wriu.org and (most weeks) on dirtyradio.net. a podcast rss feed is available from the itunes music store http://hydrogenproject.com -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk || mkbwriu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SV: (313) new carl craig mixes/beauty room
Televised Green Smoke, yeah? -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Skickat: den 18 april 2006 16:19 Till: J.T.; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Ämne: RE: (313) new carl craig mixes/beauty room J.T. wrote: looking forward to hearing beauty room stuff... Yeah, me three. As we're on the subject, here's a trivia question to weed out the real geeks from the mere freaks: Can anyone name an original track by Carl Craig or even a remix by him, which features the sound of a TR-808 drum machine? (Sampled 808 allowed, I think.) Ken
(313) C2 808
Psyche - elements And yeah, yer right about the 606 on tres demented The information contained in this e-mail communication is solely intended for the person/legal person to whom it has been sent, and as it may contain information of a personal or confidential nature, it may not be made public by virtue of law, regulations or agreement. If someone other than the intended recipient should receive or come into possession of this e-mail communication, he/she will not be entitled to read, disseminate, disclose or duplicate it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to inform the sender of this e-mail message of this immediately, and to destroy the original e-mail communication. Neither Randstad Holding nv nor its subsidiaries accept any liability for incorrect and incomplete transmission or delayed receipt of this e-mail.
Re: (313) C2 808
Psyche - elements And yeah, yer right about the 606 on tres demented for the top end perc i agree. the kick could be a modded 606 i guess. hang on, i just realised no-one cares :) robin...
RE: (313) new carl craig mixes/beauty room
That's a ridiculous and unfair question about any early Ninties producers from Detroit, name tracks that didn't include an 808 sound? But okay, regarding your question: From Beyond It'a A Shame Evolution Galaxy Static Friendly Neurotic Etc... djBlkout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Güclüer, Hansi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 8:43 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: SV: (313) new carl craig mixes/beauty room Televised Green Smoke, yeah? -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Skickat: den 18 april 2006 16:19 Till: J.T.; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Ämne: RE: (313) new carl craig mixes/beauty room J.T. wrote: looking forward to hearing beauty room stuff... Yeah, me three. As we're on the subject, here's a trivia question to weed out the real geeks from the mere freaks: Can anyone name an original track by Carl Craig or even a remix by him, which features the sound of a TR-808 drum machine? (Sampled 808 allowed, I think.) Ken
(313) C2 808 pt 2
But But I care... From beyond is indeed an 808, excellent pick. -Original Message- From: dbooker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: woensdag 19 april 2006 15:33 To: 'Güclüer, Hansi'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) new carl craig mixes/beauty room That's a ridiculous and unfair question about any early Ninties producers from Detroit, name tracks that didn't include an 808 sound? But okay, regarding your question: From Beyond It'a A Shame Evolution Galaxy Static Friendly Neurotic Etc... djBlkout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Güclüer, Hansi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 8:43 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: SV: (313) new carl craig mixes/beauty room Televised Green Smoke, yeah? -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Skickat: den 18 april 2006 16:19 Till: J.T.; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Ämne: RE: (313) new carl craig mixes/beauty room J.T. wrote: looking forward to hearing beauty room stuff... Yeah, me three. As we're on the subject, here's a trivia question to weed out the real geeks from the mere freaks: Can anyone name an original track by Carl Craig or even a remix by him, which features the sound of a TR-808 drum machine? (Sampled 808 allowed, I think.) Ken The information contained in this e-mail communication is solely intended for the person/legal person to whom it has been sent, and as it may contain information of a personal or confidential nature, it may not be made public by virtue of law, regulations or agreement. If someone other than the intended recipient should receive or come into possession of this e-mail communication, he/she will not be entitled to read, disseminate, disclose or duplicate it. If you are not the intended recipient, you are requested to inform the sender of this e-mail message of this immediately, and to destroy the original e-mail communication. Neither Randstad Holding nv nor its subsidiaries accept any liability for incorrect and incomplete transmission or delayed receipt of this e-mail.
Re: (313) C2 808 pt 2 MORE ROLAND QUESTIONS
Ok, here goes quiz fans. Which cow's bell did Mr R.Oland sample for the cowbell on the 808??? I'll give you a clue. this cow also featured on a famous soft cheese package. very famous cow. rumour has it that derrick may ran round a field after a cow with a large boom microphone to try and sample it, with the members of YMO doing a kind of pincer movement to capture the cow. HOLD STILL FOR THE JAPANESE GENTLEMEN but I don't know if thats true. p.s. ralf from kraftwerk cycled all the way to switzerland to sample a cows bell near geneva. THATS A FACT. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
(313) complaining about the fuse-in line-up
You know I talk with people who are respected artists who have been on the mailing list, and they don't have much respect for the 'chattering class' aspect of the 313 list. I'm not calling anyone out, I'm just saying ... It is really easy to criticize an organization like Paxahau for their artistic choices, but I think it's missing a major point: Paxahau has survived in promotion for years -- and a mostly _respected_ player in the game -- by balancing art and commercialism. Now, they've taken on a job that could sink both their financial security and their reputation as promoters. Their job is to pack the Plaza. The way you do that is to book people who are famous to people who don't know that much about techno. Once they're there, they can learn a thing or two about real Detroit music. Some of them won't, but some people never learn anything. The 313 list is a collection of techno otaku. The perfect 313 list festival would likely attract people from the 313 list, their girlfriends and wingmen, and not many more people. That's not going to fill the plaza. I know a lot of people around my town who love dance music in the generic sense -- they know DJs, not producers, they can't identify famous tracks by title or artists. They're very excited about the festival, because of the names they recognize. They will go to see Richie, but once they're there, they will vote with their feet, and be wherever the music makes them feel good. The Detroit artists at the festival, who aren't Donald Glaude, or Richie Hawtin, etc should feel good about their chances with that crowd. And all those CelebriDJs on the schedule ought to know -- they better bring it, or they're going to be laughed out of town. Even kids who don't know who Ron Murphy is, who've never bought a 12, don't know Mike Banks from Mike Myers, who've never owned a turntable, know when a DJ is wack. I think it will be a brilliant festival weekend actually, and if you want to be a black t-shirt Debbie Downer about the whole deal, it's your right. Me, I'm going to be dancing like an idiot next to the kid in the tiger suit.
Re: (313) C2 808 pt 2 MORE ROLAND QUESTIONS
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 3:05 PM Subject: Re: (313) C2 808 pt 2 MORE ROLAND QUESTIONS Ok, here goes quiz fans. Which cow's bell did Mr R.Oland sample for the cowbell on the 808??? I'll give you a clue. this cow also featured on a famous soft cheese package. very famous cow. http://www.discogs.com/release/109493 Tristan === [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phonopsia.co.uk
RE: (313) C2 808 pt 2 MORE ROLAND QUESTIONS
My girl friend owns a Bull called Randoff. She used it in a TV commercial that was only shown in Canada... Has now't to do with 313 but there was a mention of cowsshe did has a conversation with Carl Craig about Randoff once though, so that's a 313 connection -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 April 2006 15:06 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) C2 808 pt 2 MORE ROLAND QUESTIONS Ok, here goes quiz fans. Which cow's bell did Mr R.Oland sample for the cowbell on the 808??? I'll give you a clue. this cow also featured on a famous soft cheese package. very famous cow. rumour has it that derrick may ran round a field after a cow with a large boom microphone to try and sample it, with the members of YMO doing a kind of pincer movement to capture the cow. HOLD STILL FOR THE JAPANESE GENTLEMEN but I don't know if thats true. p.s. ralf from kraftwerk cycled all the way to switzerland to sample a cows bell near geneva. THATS A FACT. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
AW: Re: (313) C2 808 pt 2 MORE ROLAND QUESTIONS
the milka cow. easy. neeext :D ronny Ok, here goes quiz fans. Which cow's bell did Mr R.Oland sample for the cowbell on the 808??? I'll give you a clue. this cow also featured on a famous soft cheese package. very famous cow. rumour has it that derrick may ran round a field after a cow with a large boom microphone to try and sample it, with the members of YMO doing a kind of pincer movement to capture the cow. HOLD STILL FOR THE JAPANESE GENTLEMEN but I don't know if thats true. p.s. ralf from kraftwerk cycled all the way to switzerland to sample a cows bell near geneva. THATS A FACT. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) complaining about the fuse-in line-up
On 4/19/06, Kent Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know I talk with people who are respected artists who have been on the mailing list, and they don't have much respect for the 'chattering class' aspect of the 313 list. I'm not calling anyone out, I'm just saying ... too bad for them if they dont like the chattering class. my job isnt to appease anyone, its to talk about things in an honest manner. if they dont like that, there must be a reason. honesty must frighten them. It is really easy to criticize an organization like Paxahau for their artistic choices, but I think it's missing a major point: Paxahau has survived in promotion for years -- and a mostly _respected_ player in the game -- by balancing art and commercialism. Now, they've taken on a job that could sink both their financial security and their reputation as promoters. look, if you go back to when they announced that paxahau was doing it, i expressed hope that they would be able to do a decent job and get some good results. then we got that lineup. and all positivity was drained from my feelings about them doing the festival. Their job is to pack the Plaza. The way you do that is to book people who are famous to people who don't know that much about techno. Once they're there, they can learn a thing or two about real Detroit music. Some of them won't, but some people never learn anything. there are ways to do this, and ways not to do it. the orb is an interesting and decently respectable choice. donald glaude isnt. richie hawtin, for as much hating on that dood as ive done, is even still alright. POTD isnt. The 313 list is a collection of techno otaku. The perfect 313 list festival would likely attract people from the 313 list, their girlfriends and wingmen, and not many more people. That's not going to fill the plaza. ive never expressed anything negative about past festival lineups, and there were plenty of people at those. i think almost every festival thus far has done a better job of having a balance of good stuff and stuff that will draw lots of people. this one is heavily weighted towards the drawing lots of people end. They will go to see Richie, but once they're there, they will vote with their feet, and be wherever the music makes them feel good. The Detroit artists at the festival, who aren't Donald Glaude, or Richie Hawtin, etc should feel good about their chances with that crowd. yeah right. come on now, you know as well as i that people who are excited about donald glaude or POTD are not going to be the people who even give someone like shake or aux 88 the time of day. its a fundamental difference in music. just because bad trance and house uses similar instruments and structures as good house and techno doesnt mean that theyre related. theyre not. hiphop and soul are much closer to detroit house and techno than doc martin or photek are. And all those CelebriDJs on the schedule ought to know -- they better bring it, or they're going to be laughed out of town. Even kids who don't know who Ron Murphy is, who've never bought a 12, don't know Mike Banks from Mike Myers, who've never owned a turntable, know when a DJ is wack. i absolutely disagree. ive witnessed morons at raves going nuts to any number of deejays who couldnt mix, couldnt select a decent track, couldnt do a damn thing! this is what happens when you deal with lowest common denominator music. and thats just what we're starting to see in this lineup. I think it will be a brilliant festival weekend actually, and if you want to be a black t-shirt Debbie Downer about the whole deal, it's your right. Me, I'm going to be dancing like an idiot next to the kid in the tiger suit. ill be there like always. ill pitch in my money and do my part to make sure that the festival is a success. my family and i (not even counting all the people who are in the large group of people you know we got with) spend a pretty ludicrous amount of money and time to go to this festival. but i will only be burned once. if i wanted to hear bad dance music, i could do that in pittsburgh just fine. i want to go to detroit for something special, not some LCD nonsense. tom
Re: (313) C2 808 pt 2 MORE ROLAND QUESTIONS
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Re: (313) complaining about the fuse-in line-up
this is way too sunny. i prefer to be a black t-shirt debbie downer. i do not have faith that the masses have good taste, they are generally followers...they take what you give em, the more popular it is the more they believe it's good. that beginning bit about ohh i talk to respected artists and they don't like it...hahaha thats so lame i dont even know how to respond to it. they can speak for themselves, no? and people can discuss the lineup all they want. if there's general dissatsifaction, and disappointment with paxahau, so be it. it's on them to redeem themselves in our eyes, if they care, and i dont think anyone would blame them if they don't...festivals aren't pleasant anyways, they are for the masses. most of us probably aren't the target audience, so who cares what we think anyways..except each other? no need to sugarcoat opinions here i'm just waiting for the rest of the lineup with high expectations and trying not to prejudge...judging the list so far aint pretty, but it's not worth much since i guess it's only 25% of the schedule or something. it is frustrating that people will write off the festival already, and that it's not attractive to foreign visitors thus far, but...we'll se -Original Message- From: Kent Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Apr 19, 2006 10:07 AM To: list 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) complaining about the fuse-in line-up You know I talk with people who are respected artists who have been on the mailing list, and they don't have much respect for the 'chattering class' aspect of the 313 list. I'm not calling anyone out, I'm just saying ... It is really easy to criticize an organization like Paxahau for their artistic choices, but I think it's missing a major point: Paxahau has survived in promotion for years -- and a mostly _respected_ player in the game -- by balancing art and commercialism. Now, they've taken on a job that could sink both their financial security and their reputation as promoters. Their job is to pack the Plaza. The way you do that is to book people who are famous to people who don't know that much about techno. Once they're there, they can learn a thing or two about real Detroit music. Some of them won't, but some people never learn anything. The 313 list is a collection of techno otaku. The perfect 313 list festival would likely attract people from the 313 list, their girlfriends and wingmen, and not many more people. That's not going to fill the plaza. I know a lot of people around my town who love dance music in the generic sense -- they know DJs, not producers, they can't identify famous tracks by title or artists. They're very excited about the festival, because of the names they recognize. They will go to see Richie, but once they're there, they will vote with their feet, and be wherever the music makes them feel good. The Detroit artists at the festival, who aren't Donald Glaude, or Richie Hawtin, etc should feel good about their chances with that crowd. And all those CelebriDJs on the schedule ought to know -- they better bring it, or they're going to be laughed out of town. Even kids who don't know who Ron Murphy is, who've never bought a 12, don't know Mike Banks from Mike Myers, who've never owned a turntable, know when a DJ is wack. I think it will be a brilliant festival weekend actually, and if you want to be a black t-shirt Debbie Downer about the whole deal, it's your right. Me, I'm going to be dancing like an idiot next to the kid in the tiger suit.
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am i the only one who would actually love to see a good chunk of the people in the lineup? i feel like i don't follow the correct sub sub genre of music for this list anymore. On Apr 19, 2006, at 10:07, Kent Williams wrote: You know I talk with people who are respected artists who have been on the mailing list, and they don't have much respect for the 'chattering class' aspect of the 313 list. I'm not calling anyone out, I'm just saying ... -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk || mkbwriu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 4/19/06, Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: am i the only one who would actually love to see a good chunk of the people in the lineup? i feel like i don't follow the correct sub sub genre of music for this list anymore. well this is the 313 list, not the Berlin minimal list. but what do i know? tom
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On Apr 19, 2006, at 11:08, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: well this is the 313 list, not the Berlin minimal list. but what do i know? yeah we spend plenty of time yammering about dusty disco classics and krautrock and kraftwerk and funk and house, none of which is detroit techno either. -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk || mkbwriu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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JT: it is frustrating that people will write off the festival already, and that it's not attractive to foreign visitors thus far, but...we'll se I was about to comment (from the pov of a european who has been before and would like to go again) that the way the line-up has been announced and the nature of it so far is unlikely to draw the kind of people who'd normal stump up the 100s to come to Detroit for the festival. I like to think that the local artists and djs will be announced later but this delay is going to help even less in attracting overseas visitors. The festival should be a celebration of Detroit music shouldn't it. Not just another generic rave? matt kane: i feel like i don't follow the correct sub sub genre of music for this list anymore. Personally i don't really go in for sub-genres and that perhaps is the problem here. robin...
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On 4/19/06, Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah we spend plenty of time yammering about dusty disco classics and krautrock and kraftwerk and funk and house, none of which is detroit techno either. in general its all connected through sampling or influence. it is 313 afterall, not 313 techno. and all those funk, house, disco, and krautrock jams are what made detroit techno and house possible, as discussed in listmember dan bean's recent article in WaxPoetics. this stuff is enough steps removed from detroit music that i wouldnt automatically assume people on this list would or wouldnt like it, just like any other random genre. tom
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On 19 Apr 2006, at 16:11, Matt Kane's Brain wrote: On Apr 19, 2006, at 11:08, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: well this is the 313 list, not the Berlin minimal list. but what do i know? yeah we spend plenty of time yammering about dusty disco classics and krautrock and kraftwerk and funk and house, none of which is detroit techno either. I think a lot of us on here appreciate the whole spectrum of electronic music that Detroit techno has it's roots in too. (As well as the music from Detroit of course). robin...
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On 4/19/06, robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The festival should be a celebration of Detroit music shouldn't it. Not just another generic rave? youd be suprised at how much that idea is railed against in forums like detroitluv or even this one, apparently. i mean if i wanted to hear drum and bass, id go to london. if i wanted to hear ubercoolische minimal, id go to berlin. if i wanted to hear bad club music, id go to any random club in the world. i wanna hear detroit music. thus, i should go to detroit. tom
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can - check worms - check can opener - check I'm staying outta this one (mainly because I haven't slept all night and I might just be hallucinating what I just read) MEK Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED]To Thomas D. Cox, Jr. 04/19/06 10:11 AM [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc 313@hyperreal.org Subject Re: (313) complaining about the fuse-in line-up On Apr 19, 2006, at 11:08, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: well this is the 313 list, not the Berlin minimal list. but what do i know? yeah we spend plenty of time yammering about dusty disco classics and krautrock and kraftwerk and funk and house, none of which is detroit techno either. -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk || mkbwriu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I was about to comment (from the pov of a european who has been before and would like to go again) that the way the line-up has been announced and the nature of it so far is unlikely to draw the kind of people who'd normal stump up the 100s to come to Detroit for the festival. Yeah well im in the same boat, but having said that I spent about a grand all in coming over from the UK for the second festival and ended up spending most my time drunk in Greektown or somewhere chasing after some Texan girls from the hotel. To my credit I did find myself at an afterparty at one point which was great until I realised there was no bar and it was Adam X on the decks so I left, only to later discover that Drexciya played live about 20 minutes later (It was Alex's eyes only party)! So from a musical standpoint my jaunt to Detoit was an abject failure. From a getting it on with cute Texan chicks standpoint though it was worth every penny! I guess what im saying is if I ever stumped up the cash to go back it wouldn't neccesarily be for the line up as much as just to have a mad 3 days in Detroit again. Im sure there would always be enough good music going on at some point to satisfy my need for that.
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-LOL see you there matt!! actually i wanted to reply to JT but that was last week and i didnt want to open what appeared to be a dead thread, but now since kent gone and resuscitated it i think i will.. first of all i totally disagree with the sub-sub genre thing.for me the only real discriminator for music is whether i like it or not. its either good or bad. period. JT was talking about how a 2 hour set of non.stop minimal clicky house (whatever, call it what you want) would be boring.well, i agree! a 2 hour set of non.stop whatever would be boring, be it pure 313 techno or pure Chi.house!! that to me is called a crap dj, whether i like the music he represents or not. So it's either good or bad music and it's either good or bad djing. Genres and pidgeholing are created by the press and spin doctors, as we have often stated on this list. i also find it quite amusing (i often find hypocrisy amusing) that Daniel Bell gets the thumbs up while Richie Hawtin or trendy minimalists get totally shatted on. Where is the line folks? Why isn't Daniel Bell called a (gasp!) trendy minimalist? Have you heard his sets? there more german stuff on there than there is on the Kompakt distribution list! Have most of you even heard a set by Villalobos or Zip? There's more detroit stuff in there than i have heard at a derrick may gig and i'm talking out of personal experience. And last thing, where the hell do you think most of these trendy minimalists got their insipiration from? Yes that's right, Detroit and Chicago!! Ok, sorry for the rant, but the elitist attitude really gets under my skin and im tired of reading total BS. And please, do not consider me a champion of the trendy minimalist sound. I would find that somewhat limiting and insulting. I hate it when the deadhead-factor rears its ugly head on this list. (personal jab: Tom, i bet you would still complain even if they had Theo, Kenny, Carl Craig and Norm Tally playing for 48hrs non.stop) fab. CITYMORB MUSIC www.citymorb.net | [EMAIL PROTECTED] out now: CTM002 SMBP - Stars Falling ep. next release: CTM004 Vermont - The Santa Cruz Operation ep. - Original Message - From: Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Kent Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: list 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 5:06 PM Subject: Re: (313) complaining about the fuse-in line-up am i the only one who would actually love to see a good chunk of the people in the lineup? i feel like i don't follow the correct sub sub genre of music for this list anymore. On Apr 19, 2006, at 10:07, Kent Williams wrote: You know I talk with people who are respected artists who have been on the mailing list, and they don't have much respect for the 'chattering class' aspect of the 313 list. I'm not calling anyone out, I'm just saying ... -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk || mkbwriu [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/318 - Release Date: 18/04/2006
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HEAR HEAR - Original Message - From: Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 5:11 PM Subject: Re: (313) complaining about the fuse-in line-up On Apr 19, 2006, at 11:08, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: well this is the 313 list, not the Berlin minimal list. but what do i know? yeah we spend plenty of time yammering about dusty disco classics and krautrock and kraftwerk and funk and house, none of which is detroit techno either. -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk || mkbwriu [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/318 - Release Date: 18/04/2006
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Thanks, Tom, for carefully and civilly answering everything I said. Now there are two ways to look at what Paxahau is doing. I think my way might end up being more fun, but you have to be true to yourself. Everything you've said is completely reasonable -- I don't even disagree with you. As for being the 'chattering class' -- well we can hardly escape it. The 313 list is where I found out about some of my favorite music first, so to me the list matters. That may give me fewer cool points than people who got into it because they helped Juan Atkins with his algebra homework, but I don't want to front like I'm someone I'm not. I know that it upsets some musicians and DJs when they get called out here, but overall I'd say the 313 list has been a positive force in promoting Detroit music around the world. I don't want you to paste on a smiley face on and pull yourr punches. It's a mailing list, after all, and anyone who gets upset by what someone says on 313 probably needs to grow thicker skin. I just see no reason in the lineup not to go and have a great time. If it bothers you at least you can be one of those geezers that can say 'man, 2000 was so much cooler.'
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that is one of the most stupid things i have read on this list fab. - Original Message - From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 5:16 PM Subject: Re: (313) complaining about the fuse-in line-up On 4/19/06, robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The festival should be a celebration of Detroit music shouldn't it. Not just another generic rave? youd be suprised at how much that idea is railed against in forums like detroitluv or even this one, apparently. i mean if i wanted to hear drum and bass, id go to london. if i wanted to hear ubercoolische minimal, id go to berlin. if i wanted to hear bad club music, id go to any random club in the world. i wanna hear detroit music. thus, i should go to detroit. tom -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/318 - Release Date: 18/04/2006
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tom you'd be complain even if the new kids on the block were going to be at the festival and signing free autographs. to reproduce you with computer program would simply require a couple lines of profane code. Thomas D. Cox wrote: On 4/19/06, Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: am i the only one who would actually love to see a good chunk of the people in the lineup? i feel like i don't follow the correct sub sub genre of music for this list anymore. well this is the 313 list, not the Berlin minimal list. but what do i know? tom
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The Detroit-Berlin connection that goes back almost 20 years should go without saying on the 313 list. It might not be to your taste -- and face it, 90% of every techno subgenre is derivative crap. But it's not like there's no connection. On 4/19/06, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well this is the 313 list, not the Berlin minimal list. but what do i know?
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LOL, do you mean the bit about Paul's girlfriend, the cow and Carl Craig? I had to re-read that one a couple of times just to check... I'm staying outta this one (mainly because I haven't slept all night and I might just be hallucinating what I just read)
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please stop with the personal flames - it's getting old and boring to read either discuss the music or take it off list MEK /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mi.netTo Thomas D. Cox, Jr. 04/19/06 10:37 AM [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc 313@hyperreal.org Subject Re: (313) complaining about the fuse-in line-up tom you'd be complain even if the new kids on the block were going to be at the festival and signing free autographs. to reproduce you with computer program would simply require a couple lines of profane code. Thomas D. Cox wrote: On 4/19/06, Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: am i the only one who would actually love to see a good chunk of the people in the lineup? i feel like i don't follow the correct sub sub genre of music for this list anymore. well this is the 313 list, not the Berlin minimal list. but what do i know? tom
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Zoinks! goes back to sleep under office desk MEK Dan Bean [EMAIL PROTECTED] o.uk To 313@hyperreal.org 04/19/06 10:41 AM cc Subject Re: (313) complaining about the fuse-in line-up LOL, do you mean the bit about Paul's girlfriend, the cow and Carl Craig? I had to re-read that one a couple of times just to check... I'm staying outta this one (mainly because I haven't slept all night and I might just be hallucinating what I just read)
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Well it's a great debate but, when I called to find out about the possibility of adding a renewed Detroit classic (Label) to any kind of of DEMF functions I was told pack it up it's too late already? My response..but you just announced 2-3weeks ago? How could that be? I figured they'd need more submissions? Clearly they took a head-start on things but without leaving any possibilities for Detroit's own? That list lacks... djBlkout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 10:46 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) complaining about the fuse-in line-up On 4/19/06, Kent Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know I talk with people who are respected artists who have been on the mailing list, and they don't have much respect for the 'chattering class' aspect of the 313 list. I'm not calling anyone out, I'm just saying ... too bad for them if they dont like the chattering class. my job isnt to appease anyone, its to talk about things in an honest manner. if they dont like that, there must be a reason. honesty must frighten them. It is really easy to criticize an organization like Paxahau for their artistic choices, but I think it's missing a major point: Paxahau has survived in promotion for years -- and a mostly _respected_ player in the game -- by balancing art and commercialism. Now, they've taken on a job that could sink both their financial security and their reputation as promoters. look, if you go back to when they announced that paxahau was doing it, i expressed hope that they would be able to do a decent job and get some good results. then we got that lineup. and all positivity was drained from my feelings about them doing the festival. Their job is to pack the Plaza. The way you do that is to book people who are famous to people who don't know that much about techno. Once they're there, they can learn a thing or two about real Detroit music. Some of them won't, but some people never learn anything. there are ways to do this, and ways not to do it. the orb is an interesting and decently respectable choice. donald glaude isnt. richie hawtin, for as much hating on that dood as ive done, is even still alright. POTD isnt. The 313 list is a collection of techno otaku. The perfect 313 list festival would likely attract people from the 313 list, their girlfriends and wingmen, and not many more people. That's not going to fill the plaza. ive never expressed anything negative about past festival lineups, and there were plenty of people at those. i think almost every festival thus far has done a better job of having a balance of good stuff and stuff that will draw lots of people. this one is heavily weighted towards the drawing lots of people end. They will go to see Richie, but once they're there, they will vote with their feet, and be wherever the music makes them feel good. The Detroit artists at the festival, who aren't Donald Glaude, or Richie Hawtin, etc should feel good about their chances with that crowd. yeah right. come on now, you know as well as i that people who are excited about donald glaude or POTD are not going to be the people who even give someone like shake or aux 88 the time of day. its a fundamental difference in music. just because bad trance and house uses similar instruments and structures as good house and techno doesnt mean that theyre related. theyre not. hiphop and soul are much closer to detroit house and techno than doc martin or photek are. And all those CelebriDJs on the schedule ought to know -- they better bring it, or they're going to be laughed out of town. Even kids who don't know who Ron Murphy is, who've never bought a 12, don't know Mike Banks from Mike Myers, who've never owned a turntable, know when a DJ is wack. i absolutely disagree. ive witnessed morons at raves going nuts to any number of deejays who couldnt mix, couldnt select a decent track, couldnt do a damn thing! this is what happens when you deal with lowest common denominator music. and thats just what we're starting to see in this lineup. I think it will be a brilliant festival weekend actually, and if you want to be a black t-shirt Debbie Downer about the whole deal, it's your right. Me, I'm going to be dancing like an idiot next to the kid in the tiger suit. ill be there like always. ill pitch in my money and do my part to make sure that the festival is a success. my family and i (not even counting all the people who are in the large group of people you know we got with) spend a pretty ludicrous amount of money and time to go to this festival. but i will only be burned once. if i wanted to hear bad dance music, i could do that in pittsburgh just fine. i want to go to detroit for something special, not some LCD nonsense. tom
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Now, that made me choke on my sandwich. :-) Great point. Chris -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 7:37 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) chicago music festival nah, what would they want with those guys? innovators from the city? phooey on that! they should book aphrodite, layo and bushwacka, magda, villalobos, charles feelgood, and dj dan. then their festival can be just like detroit's! :) tom
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Thank you Tom! -Original Message- From: fab. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 11:35 AM To: Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) complaining about the fuse-in line-up that is one of the most stupid things i have read on this list fab. - Original Message - From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 5:16 PM Subject: Re: (313) complaining about the fuse-in line-up On 4/19/06, robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The festival should be a celebration of Detroit music shouldn't it. Not just another generic rave? youd be suprised at how much that idea is railed against in forums like detroitluv or even this one, apparently. i mean if i wanted to hear drum and bass, id go to london. if i wanted to hear ubercoolische minimal, id go to berlin. if i wanted to hear bad club music, id go to any random club in the world. i wanna hear detroit music. thus, i should go to detroit. tom -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/318 - Release Date: 18/04/2006
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first of all i totally disagree with the sub-sub genre thing.for me the only real discriminator for music is whether i like it or not. its either good or bad. period. well sure, but thats like saying nothing... JT was talking about how a 2 hour set of non.stop minimal clicky house (whatever, call it what you want) would be boring.well, i agree! a 2 hour set of non.stop whatever would be boring, be it pure 313 techno or pure Chi.house!! that to me is called a crap dj, whether i like the music he represents or not. well sure...but minimal clicky house is a much more compartmentalized genre than detroit techno or chi house...within detroit techno, there is minimal clicky detroit techno, bangin techno...etc etc...if every song is going to have clicks and static farts...it's going to be real boring if you dont particularly like clicks and static farts...this was my point about the specificity of sub-sub-genres Genres and pidgeholing are created by the press and spin doctors, as we have often stated on this list. not entirely. labels and artists pidgeon-hole themselves sometimes, for better or for worse. it's just the way of things...everything is a derivative of something else that was a derivative of something else, ad infinitum...but some things even more than others... i also find it quite amusing (i often find hypocrisy amusing) that Daniel Bell gets the thumbs up while Richie Hawtin or trendy minimalists get totally shatted on. Where is the line folks? Why isn't Daniel Bell called a (gasp!) trendy minimalist? Have you heard his sets? there more german stuff on there than there is on the Kompakt distribution list! uuhhh. i'll just use your reasoning here. i like what i hear from dan bell more than what i hear from richie hawtin, and his sets are more eclectic..at least the one recent set i have. maybe he does make trendy minimal music too, i dunno. i might like it anyways. i like some ark stuff that i've heard. i just don't like the disproportionate balance of the festival on this kind of stuff, which is a very specific sound. its just not very eclectic so far... Have most of you even heard a set by Villalobos or Zip? There's more detroit stuff in there than i have heard at a derrick may gig and i'm talking out of personal experience. yes, i agree. but villalobos isnt booked is he? that would be cool...i'm surprised he's not. And last thing, where the hell do you think most of these trendy minimalists got their insipiration from? Yes that's right, Detroit and Chicago!! who cares, if it doesnt sound good it doesnt sound good :P the pvssycat dolls probably cite prince as an inspiration, dont mean much Ok, sorry for the rant, but the elitist attitude really gets under my skin and im tired of reading total BS. And please, do not consider me a champion of the trendy minimalist sound. I would find that somewhat limiting and insulting. i think you may have missed my point...i dont mind trendy minimalist stuff at all (just because it's trendy, that is), i probably like some of it, disco and italo stuff is awfully trendy right now too and i like much of that as well. but when popularity/trendiness makes eclecticism suffer, it's troubling to me.
RE: (313) complaining about the fuse-in line-up
Ok, it will be my final words... I agree with the ones who whant to hear some other things than Detroit music at Detroit festival...I think, have good music is the most important...in all the ways... But I seems to be logic, than a festival in Detroit brings mainly the Detroit related musics...and then some good music around...I fee its a bit strange than finaly, most of the Detroit artist will play in afterparty...in the Dark again...even for the celebration of their music...So it promises to have good after-parties ;-). And finaly...I think the the wise decision this year...was to cancel the festival and have more than a year to prepare THE next Detroit festival (2007)...quietly, correctly ...Paxahau, Kevin Saunderson and others had/have 2 months to prepare the previous festivals and this year too...so regarding that parameters they did a good job...but Can we imagine a festival prepared during a year...I hope to see that one day...in DETROIT... 6 months of promotions without any doubt on the fact than it will happen or not...One year to book the hotel rooms, to prepare the after-parties...organize travels with friends...A dream... Fabrice From: dbooker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'fab.' [EMAIL PROTECTED],'Thomas D. Cox, Jr.' [EMAIL PROTECTED],313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) complaining about the fuse-in line-up Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:14:31 -0400 Thank you Tom! -Original Message- From: fab. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 11:35 AM To: Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) complaining about the fuse-in line-up that is one of the most stupid things i have read on this list fab. - Original Message - From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 5:16 PM Subject: Re: (313) complaining about the fuse-in line-up On 4/19/06, robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The festival should be a celebration of Detroit music shouldn't it. Not just another generic rave? youd be suprised at how much that idea is railed against in forums like detroitluv or even this one, apparently. i mean if i wanted to hear drum and bass, id go to london. if i wanted to hear ubercoolische minimal, id go to berlin. if i wanted to hear bad club music, id go to any random club in the world. i wanna hear detroit music. thus, i should go to detroit. tom -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/318 - Release Date: 18/04/2006
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no! not at all. my trendy arse cannot wait for this! - Original Message - From: Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] am i the only one who would actually love to see a good chunk of the people in the lineup?
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- Original Message - From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] if i wanted to hear ubercoolische minimal, id go to berlin. consider yourself lucky that you have the funds and time to go to berlin. i do not! so i will continue to welcome this trendy sh1t (as you would call it) that i love at a festival less than 3 hours from my home.
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- Original Message - From: J.T. it's just the way of things...everything is a derivative of something else that was a derivative of something else, ad infinitum... Spin Dr. Margulis: http://www.isepp.org/Pages/San%20Jose%2004-05/MargulisSaganSJ.html Symbiogenesis is a theory of evolution. It argues that symbiosis is a primary force of evolution, because acquisition and accumulation of random mutations or genetic drift are not sufficient to explain how new inherited variations occur. According to this theory, new cell organelles, new bodies, new organs and new species arise from symbiosis, in which independent organisms merge to form composites. To some degree, Darwin emphasized competition as the primary driving process of evolution, symbiogenesis emphasizes that co-operation can also be important to the process of evolution.
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And finaly...I think the the wise decision this year...was to cancel the festival and have more than a year to prepare THE next Detroit festival (2007)...quietly, correctly ... Amen to that Fabrice! That is EXACTLY what they should have done. The rush to produce this is showing up more and more each year. MEK
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- Original Message - From: skept consider yourself lucky that you have the funds and time to go to berlin. i do not! so i will continue to welcome this trendy sh1t (as you would call it) that i love at a festival less than 3 hours from my home. Coming soon to a rave near you.
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- Original Message - From: seek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Coming soon to a rave near you. any amount of making fun of me or whatever jaded comments you might have do not change my opinion.
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On Apr 19, 2006, at 13:58, seek wrote: Coming soon to a rave near you. man, would i love to be at a rave where i wasn't the only one playing techno :( -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk || mkbwriu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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- Original Message - From: Michael.Elliot-Knight The rush to produce this is showing up more and more each year. Gimme an 'R'!!! Dude, are Rush going to be there too?! (Not surprised.) seek np: Bubbles + Alex Lifeson - 'Closer to the Heart'
(313) Good fares to Detroit now on American Airlines (and maybe Northwest) from the US West/South
Heads up, festival goers - this won't last long: LAX/SAN/SJC/PDX/ABQ/AUS/OKC-DTW - $153 r/t, $189 all-in. Must travel Tues/Wed./Sat., which is a suck festival-wise. (Coming in, anyway. Either get there on the 1st day or come into town a few days early.) More info: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5652423 - Greg
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On 4/19/06, fab. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (personal jab: Tom, i bet you would still complain even if they had Theo, Kenny, Carl Craig and Norm Tally playing for 48hrs non.stop) if they were the only thing booked, yeah id complain! ive seen great sets over the years in genres such as hiphop, jazz, soul, reggae, electro, downtempo, etc. i am most passionate about the kind of stuff those guys in particular make and play, but i listen to all music. i want that diversity! i want to see dabrye playing before far freddy's drop playing before the detroit experiment playing before legowelt playing before theo. thats most along my idea of what the festival was and should continue to be! tom
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I'd be all about reuniting Bananarama for a closer.
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On 4/19/06, Kent Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Detroit-Berlin connection that goes back almost 20 years should go without saying on the 313 list. It might not be to your taste -- and face it, 90% of every techno subgenre is derivative crap. But it's not like there's no connection. well, i dont hear the connection in this music like i do in other stuff from berlin. i mean, im a huge basic channel, soundhack, etc fan. i like the sleeparchive stuff too. you can hear it. this minimal stuff sounds more like progressive house, the music's crossover to john digweed cemented that in my mind. for example, deep dish used to have obvious connections to what happened in detroit and chicago. where they are now, there's no connection. and thats about where minimal stuff is these days, IMO. tom
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On 4/19/06, fabrice Lig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with the ones who whant to hear some other things than Detroit music at Detroit festival...I think, have good music is the most important...in all the ways... just to clarify, i have never said it should be strictly detroit music. i knew when paxahau took over that they would lean towards the trendy minimal stuff and the banging techno, thats what they do at their afterparties every year and in their other events. but man, i never would have thought we'd see ravey stuff and minimal to the exclusion of everything else worldwide. the bunker crew being there last year was easily one of the highlights of any of the festivals ive been to. there's nothing at all on that level here. i do want music from all over. where are the delsin guys? the rush hour guys? the clone guys? where is environ? danny wang and the balihu crew? man, im not even a fan but id even like it if they put some of the italo/cosmic stuff thats coming out from lindstrom and the like if it meant more variety. what about the italian techno guys? man, why isnt UR getting a label showcase? these are the questions i have, and i want answers! tom
Re: (313) Good fares to Detroit now on American Airlines (and maybe Northwest)
I wrote: Heads up, festival goers - this won't last long: LAX/SAN/SJC/PDX/ABQ/AUS/OKC-DTW - $153 r/t, $189 all-in. Must travel Tues/Wed./Sat., which is a suck festival-wise. (Coming in, anyway. Either get there on the 1st day or come into town a few days early.) More info: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5652423 Oops, my bad. Apparently this fare is only valid up until the week of Memorial Day weekend. (Figures, eh?) The last days it could've been gotten were from May 17th to May 23rd. After that the fare (on American) jumps up to $304 or $327 for the festival weekend timeframe ... Sorry to get anyone's hopes up. - Greg P.S. This is a great new site, for incoming (via plane) out-of-town festival goers: http://www.FareCompare.COM/
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yep - totally agree the line-up as it stands right now is pretty thin - sure there's a few drum bass artists but how about some funk, soul, jazz, spoken word, ELECTROFUNK, experimental noise, etc. what we have is: Kompakt minimal Kompakt downtempo Kompakt ambient and some artists that tour so often in the US you could set your clocks to their performance dates I think, really, truly, so far - with what has been announced - they have gone half assed in either direction If they want to make the money - go for it - book Mylo, Moby, and MIA or Lady Sovereign. Seriously, make it a proper Pop fest like Coachella. Or, try to live up to the previous festivals' examples and get some high tech soul of all kinds. Paxahau is throwing a bigger Paxahau party - that's all it appears to be at this point. MEK Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To il.com 313@hyperreal.org cc 04/19/06 01:25 PM Subject Re: (313) complaining about the fuse-in line-up On 4/19/06, fab. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (personal jab: Tom, i bet you would still complain even if they had Theo, Kenny, Carl Craig and Norm Tally playing for 48hrs non.stop) if they were the only thing booked, yeah id complain! ive seen great sets over the years in genres such as hiphop, jazz, soul, reggae, electro, downtempo, etc. i am most passionate about the kind of stuff those guys in particular make and play, but i listen to all music. i want that diversity! i want to see dabrye playing before far freddy's drop playing before the detroit experiment playing before legowelt playing before theo. thats most along my idea of what the festival was and should continue to be! tom
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On 4/19/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kompakt ambient one thing i do have to say is that i appreciate bringing in some more ambient kinda stuff. thats cool, and its something i cant have enough of. but there are other good people to bring too, like louis haiman and even some better german stuff like Gas and the like. tom
(313) RE: Nico Marks/Bone cd
Those are indeed Niko Marks tracks on Subject Detroit Vol. 3: Major Artery People Know House Whether they will be released or not has yet to be decided. Ahnne http://www.7mzdt.com/subjectdetroit www.subjectdetroit.com -Original Message- From: ryan burns [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 1:29 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Nico Marks/Bone cd on both the newest dj bone mix cd's they end with a Nico Marks track. anyone know what records these are on and when they are comming out. i have never heard Nico Marks tracks as good as those 2. -burns
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- Original Message - From: Michael.Elliot-Knight the line-up as it stands right now is pretty thin - sure there's a few drum bass artists but how about some funk, soul, jazz, spoken word, ELECTROFUNK, experimental noise, etc. Too late to get in touch with these folks and book a few handfuls of their acts?: http://www.electronicpm.co.uk/epm__djs_performers.php Damn: they booked Donald, Doc and Josh; why not Tiesto? Same outfit: http://www.amonly.com/
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On 4/19/06, seek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Too late to get in touch with these folks and book a few handfuls of their acts?: http://www.electronicpm.co.uk/epm__djs_performers.php sh*t, they could just book their whole roster and id be happy: Adam X, Alden Tyrell, Alexander Robotnick, Andrea Parker, Bass Junkie, Clandestine, Clone Records, Damon Wild, Dan Curtin, Detroit Grand Pubahs, Dexter, Dirt Crew, Disco D, Dj 3000, Dj Bone, Dj Dex, Dj Dijital, Dj Godfather, Dj Nasty, Dmx Krew, Duplex, Dynamix Ii, Ectomorph, Egyptian Lover, Exzakt, Fabrice Lig Aka Soul Designer, Fastgraph, Francisco, Freddy Fresh, Galaxy 2 Galaxy, Imatran Voima, International Deejay Gigolos, Jackal And Hyde, Kirk Degiorgio, Klakson, Los Hermanos, Marco Passarani, Mat101, Motor, Neil Landstrumm, Octave One, Oliver Way, Orlando Voorn, Phuture 303, Putsch 79, Raiders Of The Lost Arp, Random Noise Generation, Red Planet, Robert Hood, S2, Scan 7, Serge, Seymour Bits, Space Djz, Steffi, Suburban Knight, Tek Bros, The Hacker, Underground Resistance now THAT'S what a DEMF lineup should look like. to
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Damn: they booked Donald, Doc and Josh; why not Tiesto? or Bashful, Grumpy, or Sneezy. MEK
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louis already played...(and it was great!!!) as did rush hour and clone...(and serge from clone especially was great!!) maybe this is all jumping the gun and paxahau booked what they know best, and the most obvious clubby stuff first, and just wanted to get a preliminary lineup out there...aint over yet! i'm sure they're working very hard and i am not trying to undermine them or criticize them before they are even done...its just that the initial lineup makes me very cynical.. one thing i do have to say is that i appreciate bringing in some more ambient kinda stuff. thats cool, and its something i cant have enough of. but there are other good people to bring too, like louis haiman and even some better german stuff like Gas and the like. tom
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- Original Message - From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. http://www.electronicpm.co.uk/epm__djs_performers.php sh*t, they could just book their whole roster and id be happy: Freddy Fresh === Fresh is the word!!! np: Accidentally Classic
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- Original Message - From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. but there are other good people to bring too, like louis haiman = fwdthought focus area: make it so.
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thats what it already looked like, 80% of those peeps have played in the past...of course i'd love to see many again Adam X, Alden Tyrell, Alexander Robotnick, Andrea Parker, Bass Junkie, Clandestine, Clone Records, Damon Wild, Dan Curtin, Detroit Grand Pubahs, Dexter, Dirt Crew, Disco D, Dj 3000, Dj Bone, Dj Dex, Dj Dijital, Dj Godfather, Dj Nasty, Dmx Krew, Duplex, Dynamix Ii, Ectomorph, Egyptian Lover, Exzakt, Fabrice Lig Aka Soul Designer, Fastgraph, Francisco, Freddy Fresh, Galaxy 2 Galaxy, Imatran Voima, International Deejay Gigolos, Jackal And Hyde, Kirk Degiorgio, Klakson, Los Hermanos, Marco Passarani, Mat101, Motor, Neil Landstrumm, Octave One, Oliver Way, Orlando Voorn, Phuture 303, Putsch 79, Raiders Of The Lost Arp, Random Noise Generation, Red Planet, Robert Hood, S2, Scan 7, Serge, Seymour Bits, Space Djz, Steffi, Suburban Knight, Tek Bros, The Hacker, Underground Resistance now THAT'S what a DEMF lineup should look like. to
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I just want to see the rest of the line-up. I'm happy about some of the artists (hey, i like bleepy minimal, so long as it doesn't get too boring), less happy about others. I also want to see some more afterparties announced! like, any chance of a UR party this year
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- Original Message - From: Michael.Elliot-Knight Damn: they booked Donald, Doc and Josh; why not Tiesto? or Bashful, Grumpy, or Sneezy. and Dasher, and Dancer, and Comet, and Cupid, and Blitzen, and the Donner Party: they'll eat all of the hammy djs.
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- Original Message - From: J.T. maybe this is all jumping the gun and paxahau booked what they know best, and the most obvious clubby stuff first, and just wanted to get a preliminary lineup out there...aint over yet! Too late: the fat lady has sung: Well it's a great debate but, when I called to find out about the possibility of adding a renewed Detroit classic (Label) to any kind of of DEMF functions I was told pack it up it's too late already? My response..but you just announced 2-3weeks ago? How could that be?
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On 4/19/06, J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thats what it already looked like, 80% of those peeps have played in the past...of course i'd love to see many again i know it has, ive seen many of those guys the only times ive seen them at the festival. and i missed louis' set (was it 03?) unfortunately, but still the idea is that he has a whole label's worth of artists that he's supporting who that kind of ambient techno stuff. same with all those other labels. even if they didnt wanna repeat bookings (which obviously they dont mind THAT much since hawin is playing yet again!) there were other artists on those labels who could come over here and rock it. and i mean im just coming up with my suggestions off the top of my head, im sure a quick jaunt through my 12s would come up with many more names and organizations.. tom
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hmm yeah well we'll see... damon..maybe call them back and talk in a german accent... har har Too late: the fat lady has sung: Well it's a great debate but, when I called to find out about the possibility of adding a renewed Detroit classic (Label) to any kind of of DEMF functions I was told pack it up it's too late already? My response..but you just announced 2-3weeks ago? How could that be?
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I've made the long journey twice but I don't really feel any particular draw to this event to be honest- it kind of feels like they've picked some OK and some very not OK people to play and the Detroit to be announced people are tacked on as a necessity since the event is held in Detroit. I haven't got any any axe to grind at all with the promoters (I've only ever heard of them through the 313 list before and there have been an equal amount of I love em and I hate em accounts ass far as I remember- I'm just giving the viewpoint of somebody who loves music from Detroit (Techno and otherwise) and isn't really that attracted to this festival. I'd love to come over to see a few old friends but I can't see it happening. Jason On 19 Apr 2006, at 16:12, robin wrote: JT: it is frustrating that people will write off the festival already, and that it's not attractive to foreign visitors thus far, but...we'll se I was about to comment (from the pov of a european who has been before and would like to go again) that the way the line-up has been announced and the nature of it so far is unlikely to draw the kind of people who'd normal stump up the 100s to come to Detroit for the festival. I like to think that the local artists and djs will be announced later but this delay is going to help even less in attracting overseas visitors. The festival should be a celebration of Detroit music shouldn't it. Not just another generic rave? matt kane: i feel like i don't follow the correct sub sub genre of music for this list anymore. Personally i don't really go in for sub-genres and that perhaps is the problem here. robin...
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Reading all of the annoying negative emails the jaded 313 lister's continue to swamp my inbox has gotten me so annoyed. All the crap about how the line-up would be better if... or how the festival sucks because... I think maybe they should stop sitting behind a computer venting out their life frustrations, and maybe try to learn how to become a positive influence within the music again. Complaining all the time makes the music struggle to progress and die. All that negativity with no positive points. 313ers obviously started listening to the music because they found something in it that they loved. But then somehow along the way, the constant trying to prove they knew more than the other, turned them into being so judgemental that I'm surprised they can find enjoyment in the music anymore at all. What a sad life to live!! I love the music, and I love Detroit, and I love the fact that during the 3 days, the most amazing music plays while the best dancers jit non-stop. And at night, I love that my friends and their friends of friends throw crazy events in warehouses and 9-story buildings. I take pride in knowing that my contribution to the Detroit music scene has been much more than just a bunch of jaded words on an email list. My contribution has helped (and will continue to help) encourage positive growth and development within the scene, both within the city and internationally. I take pride in that every day and it keeps me smiling and still loving the music. I feel sorry for the jaded people who have never been able to experience or somehow lost that type of positive feeling. Detroit music has always incorporated a huge variety of music. The whole essence of Detroit is about listening to every genre and gaining influences. There is a huge list of outside talent that will bring in outside music into the city for that weekend, which will encourage music inspiration. Plus every Detroiter I know is working to develop the new sound so all of that outside talent can listen to it to bring it back out to the outside world. I don't understand how something good like that has been somehow twisted into the foul stream of crap that I've been forced to deal with overloading my inbox. I personally think that Paxahau is doing fine, and I will give them as much support as I can. If anyone else wants to join me here, it's a great place to be. Positive energy encourages growth within the music and new collaborations. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 19/04/2006 18:45 To: Matt Kane's Brain Cc: Kent Williams; list 313 Subject: Re: (313) complaining about the fuse-in line-up no! not at all. my trendy arse cannot wait for this! - Original Message - From: Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] am i the only one who would actually love to see a good chunk of the people in the lineup?
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That's the spirit, great post, Keep The Faith... m - Original Message - From: Svagr, Jodie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reading all of . I personally think that Paxahau is doing fine, and I will give them as much support as I can. If anyone else wants to join me here, it's a great place to be. snip Positive energy encourages growth within the music and new collaborations.
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On 4/19/06, Svagr, Jodie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reading all of the annoying negative emails the jaded 313 lister's continue to swamp my inbox has gotten me so annoyed. All the crap about how the line-up would be better if... or how the festival sucks because... I think maybe they should stop sitting behind a computer venting out their life frustrations, and maybe try to learn how to become a positive influence within the music again. i do all the positive things i need to. i dont ruin festivals. Complaining all the time makes the music struggle to progress and die. who is complaining all the time? i complain when people ruin good things with bad music. 313ers obviously started listening to the music because they found something in it that they loved. But then somehow along the way, the constant trying to prove they knew more than the other, turned them into being so judgemental that I'm surprised they can find enjoyment in the music anymore at all. What a sad life to live!! maybe your life is sad. quit projecting your faults onto other people. I love the music, and I love Detroit, and I love the fact that during the 3 days, the most amazing music plays while the best dancers jit non-stop. wheres the music to jit to on this lineup? And at night, I love that my friends and their friends of friends throw crazy events in warehouses and 9-story buildings. I take pride in knowing that my contribution to the Detroit music scene has been much more than just a bunch of jaded words on an email list. yeah, its a bunch of whiny words on an email list. good job! congratualtions! im tired of your nonsense. seriously. you had no point except everyone should be happy with whatever they give us. and its not gonna happen if this is what theyre going to offer. tom
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By the way Tom, with what you said about Detroit i mean if i wanted to hear drum and bass, id go to london. if i wanted to hear ubercoolische minimal, id go to berlin. if i wanted to hear bad club music, id go to any random club in the world. i wanna hear detroit music. thus, i should go to detroit. shows how apparent it is that you grew up listening to only one aspect of the Detroit culture and that you very possibly have a limited knowledge of the full scope of Detroits music scene. I know of at least one Detroit DnB producer that is better than any London DnB I've ever heard. His names Ojibiwa, and he combines Motown and Jazz influences over the DnB. It's amazing. There's also amazing genres of Industrial by Blazaebla, minimal by N. Khotari, plus hundreds of hidden gems that have never gotten global coverage but are still a huge part of the culture... Stop trying to think that you know what Detroit should sound like. There's a lot more to the city than one type of sound. Thats what makes it Detroit. Pigeonholing it into one sound doesn't represent the city accurately. From: dbooker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 19/04/2006 17:14 To: 'fab.'; 'Thomas D. Cox, Jr.'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) complaining about the fuse-in line-up Thank you Tom! -Original Message- From: fab. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 11:35 AM To: Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) complaining about the fuse-in line-up that is one of the most stupid things i have read on this list fab. - Original Message - From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 5:16 PM Subject: Re: (313) complaining about the fuse-in line-up On 4/19/06, robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The festival should be a celebration of Detroit music shouldn't it. Not just another generic rave? youd be suprised at how much that idea is railed against in forums like detroitluv or even this one, apparently. i mean if i wanted to hear drum and bass, id go to london. if i wanted to hear ubercoolische minimal, id go to berlin. if i wanted to hear bad club music, id go to any random club in the world. i wanna hear detroit music. thus, i should go to detroit. tom -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/318 - Release Date: 18/04/2006
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wow, that's sunshiney. good for you, altho i think taking this list that seriously is kinda silly. anyways, some hearsay...a friend told me mad mike told him he and a lot of more established and accomplished detroit artists this list is supposed to be about would not be participating if the festival got too lame. i think we're in danger of seeing that happen, but again...i'm just nervously waiting to see what happens. i also know many great artists who have no interest in participating regardless. festivals arent for everyone, i think i was lucky to have such a good time at the previosu years and i'm not surprised if it ends. not mad.
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On 4/19/06, Svagr, Jodie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: shows how apparent it is that you grew up listening to only one aspect of the Detroit culture and that you very possibly have a limited knowledge of the full scope of Detroits music scene. I know of at least one Detroit DnB producer that is better than any London DnB I've ever heard. His names Ojibiwa, and he combines Motown and Jazz influences over the DnB. It's amazing. im sure its the greatest thing since sliced bread. i think they should just have a jungle festival instead since thats what detroit's culture is all about. tom
RE: (313) DEMF supporters here
a bit sunshiny I know... plur all the way... lol I've heard the rumours as well, from the mouth of a few. I think that goes back to the long-lasting divide between the rave scene and the old skool producers that were always against the drugs. First thing they said was how could a rave promoter know anything about Detroit music? That divide in the Detroit scene has been happening for a long time, and may never change. I recognize both sides of the scene have been integral to its development, and I for one am a bit happy that the rave promoters are finally getting an opportunity to represent by throwing the fest. From: J.T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 19/04/2006 22:15 To: Svagr, Jodie; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) DEMF supporters here wow, that's sunshiney. good for you, altho i think taking this list that seriously is kinda silly. anyways, some hearsay...a friend told me mad mike told him he and a lot of more established and accomplished detroit artists this list is supposed to be about would not be participating if the festival got too lame. i think we're in danger of seeing that happen, but again...i'm just nervously waiting to see what happens. i also know many great artists who have no interest in participating regardless. festivals arent for everyone, i think i was lucky to have such a good time at the previosu years and i'm not surprised if it ends. not mad.
Re: (313) complaining about the fuse-in line-up
On Wed. 19 Apr 2006 at 2:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd be all about reuniting Bananarama for a closer. Yeah! And then they get joined on-stage by unannounced guests New Order as they back Siobhan Fahey on her version of She's Lost Control. And then Kylie comes out and they all do Can't Get You Out Of My Blue Monday Head. Hey, a man can dream, can't he? :) - Greg **
Re: (313) DEMF supporters here
wheres the music to jit to on this lineup? Jit! At the DEMF? I can't remember ever hearing that except in the tents along the walkways, in between the speedcore and darkstep.. Anyway, Rob and me are going to set up a grandstand for an audience outside the Paxahau office, put together a live webcam broadcast and sell beer and souvenirs to the onlookers while we watch the angry 313ers storm the front door, take over the computers, and get on the phones to cut deals and bring in our favorite DJs so that we can all disagree with our own lineup instead of someone else's. I don't know if we can get a permit for the grandstand but I have a third cousin whose uncle is a retired cop, so we have connections downtown if you know what I'm sayin'. fh
(313) complaining...home deliveries ?
Its the same everywhere, difficulties often push you to make some concession, against your will and your taste. Ive totally no idea whats the real situation, and how Paxahau have to handle it. But it seems that they have choosen to proceed like this. Well, lets have a break of this blippy clicky ubercooglitchy music that is widly spread in europe (to much/not enough, here? not there?...) Whatever... I most likely wont go to the festival, so what i like, its when Detroit come to visit us. And i cant wait for this Friday : http://warmupper.free.fr/technorama/technorama_08.htm http://www.paradisemassage.org/pm_newsletters/technorama/technorama.html http://www.batofar.org/21_04/ ~ KiDDy
RE: (313) DEMF supporters here
Nice one FH!! Thats what I'm talking about, a little creativity in your response to the Paxahau line-up. And as for a jit... I've only heard that term in Gettho Tech Clubs.. another great section of Detroit music. From: Fred Heutte [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 19/04/2006 22:39 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) DEMF supporters here wheres the music to jit to on this lineup? Jit! At the DEMF? I can't remember ever hearing that except in the tents along the walkways, in between the speedcore and darkstep.. Anyway, Rob and me are going to set up a grandstand for an audience outside the Paxahau office, put together a live webcam broadcast and sell beer and souvenirs to the onlookers while we watch the angry 313ers storm the front door, take over the computers, and get on the phones to cut deals and bring in our favorite DJs so that we can all disagree with our own lineup instead of someone else's. I don't know if we can get a permit for the grandstand but I have a third cousin whose uncle is a retired cop, so we have connections downtown if you know what I'm sayin'. fh
Re: (313) DEMF supporters here
Complaining all the time makes the music struggle to progress and die. ^ if it wasnt dissatisfaction that made some people change the fossilised musical schemes (the other day) then what was it? the problem appears when the complaining (for a reason) buy tickets and attend something that isnt 100% their thing because they had no time to find anything better. Plus every Detroiter I know is working to develop the new sound so all of that outside talent can listen to it to bring it back out to the outside world. ^tell your dear D-friends to continue (best of luck) ,maybe someday the sound of '89 gets abandoned :))) hopefully without the use of all that pc glitchy clicks or farty (knarz'y?) basslines flooding the record shops for the last decade ;/ personally i find the currect state of electronic music pretty depressing (especially the dance area). billions of labels,zillions of artists and nothing decent to listen to except for some underrated gems recorded by people who never appear on the flyers ;/ if anywhere... alleluja. the bad news is: keepin' it real ,yo bro ;/ aint enough (unless im alone with my opinion which is possible,sure) /v12
RE: (313) DEMF supporters here
i see people jittin every year at the festival...down in front of the main stage and over in the house/electro tents especially.
RE: (313) DEMF supporters here
It's wicked... Detroiter's are amazing on the dance floor. From: J.T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 19/04/2006 23:32 To: Svagr, Jodie; Fred Heutte; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) DEMF supporters here i see people jittin every year at the festival...down in front of the main stage and over in the house/electro tents especially.
