Re: (313) But can they sing?
On Nov 3, 2005, at 3:53 PM, Ian Malbon wrote: Clearly there has been a move by many producers to incorporate more vocals in techno and related genres (Diva-house has always been an exception). I remember thinking this was going to become a trend when Juan dropped The Flow. Some, like Recloose, employ guest vocals, and others, like Jeremy Ellis, handle the task themselves. First, what's your general reaction to vocal tracks? And does it bother you when some of these vocalists can't quite cut it? I think that vocal tracks, used sparingly, can really enhance a set or an album, but it is easy to overdo it. Bad vocals can be pretty bad... or not, just as in rock music. It's not as much a matter of whether the vocals are on key as whether the style fits the rest of the music and the rest of the set. To choose some examples, I think Matthew Dear pulls it off really well, because his delivery sounds very techno to me. On the other hand, when I saw Safety Scissors live, I have to say his vocals were a low point. Maybe it's the difference between using live, dry (and not especially strong) vocals vs. studio-manipulated ones. But then to further contradict myself, I thought the Nitzer Ebb track on the first Dex Efx 909 mix ruined the flow of the mix, even though I have no problems with the track on its own. Overall, I like the move towards more vocals... I don't mind the blurring of the boundary between techno and pop music at all. But when DJing, you have to put each track into the context of the set as a whole (as always) and make sure you're neither playing too much of one style, nor constantly jarring people with tracks that are totally out of place. -- Tim Moore
(313) Derrick May Innovator Track List
OK I'm sure this comes up here a lot, but I couldn't find a good definitive answer in the archives. I have the Transmat (TMT CD 4) version of the Innovator 2xCD. The tracklist on the label is obviously wrong, but I haven't been able to fully figure out the correct one. The best I've found so far is this: http://elists.resynthesize.com/313/2000/09/49920/ CD1 1) rest 1:08 2) strings of the strings of life 8:22 3) another kaos beyond kaos 0:50 4) freestyle 4:30 5) beyond kaos1:31 6) the dance 7:13 7) a little spaced out0:57 8) daymares 0:33 9) it is what it is 6:27 10) ? (chords from it is...) 0:09 11) ? (another synth chord)0:09 12) beyond the dance (cult mix)6:59 13) original feel sureal 0:54 14) ? (beyond a synth chord) 0:19 r-theme6:21 CD2 1) to be or not to be 5:48 2) icon (montage mix) 5:49 3) phantom1:46 4) kaotic harmony 6:33 5) more phantom 1:11 6) salsa life 5:27 7) nude photo 5:39 8) the beginning (pt. 1) 5:25 9) the beginning (pt. 2) 3:30 10) another relic from the relics 1:01 11) drama 4:29 12) strings - the original mix 6:04 13) wiggin - juan atkins mix 6:14 But there are still some gaps. Does anybody know? -- Tim Moore
Re: (313) Stacey Pullen in SF
On Aug 11, 2005, at 2:41 PM, Carceri wrote: http://phuturenow.net/ Not sure if anyone had seen this, I thought it was worth mentioning. Where and when? That website doesn't seem to have any information about the event... -- Tim Moore
Re: (313) Re: legit mp3 downloads
*Everything* is an approximation! I'm pretty sure those pops and crackles weren't on the master! ;-) On Jun 23, 2005, at 3:43 PM, Guilherme Menegon Arantes wrote: May I be annoying, and raise a technical point here? Digitalised music is always an approximation, so I prefer to stick with the real thing and keep my vinyl. In a decent sound system anyone can tell the difference when comparing the real thing with .wav, .mp3 or any other standard digital format... I am planning to digitalise some vinyl in 24bit/96KHz (or higher) to see if this is a better solution. Anyone had experience with this? Fab? G -- On Thu, Jun 23, 2005 at 08:42:14PM -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:02:39 +0200 To: 313@hyperreal.org From: fab. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) legit mp3 downloads (artists get PAID)? Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's why i have embraked on the gargantuan task of ripping all my vinyl to mp3 - digital files ARE easier to use, although for me there is nothing like vinyl. the sound, the feel, the smelland the packaging. -- Tim Moore
Re: (313) New Richie Hawtin Mix CD: DE9: Transition
On May 31, 2005, at 1:03 PM, Matt MacQueen wrote: i'll listen with an open mind but this press release gets at the whole problem i have with techno being so technical and 'of the second' it becomes utterly disposable. the second you've heard it it's suddenly irrelevant because another production method has replaced it. when all that's there is technique, pure technique, once that novelty wears off there's nothing underneath it. what is the real artistic statement? Reminds me of the Emperor's New Clothes. I shouldn't read press releases. -- MM http://sonicsunset.com Hey, someone has to experiment, right? I do agree that the product is more important than the process, but, really, what can you say about the product in a press release? Honestly, this reads better than your average mix CD blurb, which usually can't muster more than a few tired cliches and a bio of the DJ. While this is guilty of that too, at least there is something interesting to say about the mix itself. At the same time, you have to publicize somehow... I don't think anyone would say that new production and performance techniques have replaced existing ones as much as they have augmented them. And some of my favorite uses of new technology have been to blend old and new in ways that wouldn't otherwise be possible (some of Surgeon's Ableton mixes come to mind). -- Tim Moore
Re: (313) SF techno party time weekend
I'm definitely hitting the Sutekh joint and probably the 2LS one too. It would be cool to meet some SF 313ers. On May 12, 2005, at 7:32 PM, James Hurlbut wrote: Hey 313. Detroit countdown: 14 days 3 hrs, but who's counting? Here are some techno oriented events going on here in the bay area of the us this weekend for those who know, or maybe just for those who care: Tomorrow we have Andrew Weatherall and Keith Tenniswood aka 2 lone swordsmen aka radioactive man backed up by ninja tune playa Diplo at megaclub 1015. This club is super cookie cutter but has been booking quality acts on Fridays. Word is Ken Ishii will be making up his missed gig in two weeks, but I'll have to catch him at the fuse-in. shucks. check www.subalicious.net Then on Saturday, Adult is playing live at the indie rock joint Bottom of the Hill. punch a hipster in the face for me if you go. After Adult, one should swing over to Transplant for an all night warehouse jammy thinger. Sutekh of Kompakt, Force Inc., Soul Jazz (who would've thought), etc.. is doing a rare live PA (rare even though he lives here g...) thats at a newish space the Werepad www.werepad.com Not techno, but brokenbeat/house/good music related is that Victor Duplaix is playing on Saturday at Miguel Mig's Salted party. Last month they brought Ian Pooley which was very loud and bassy. That's at mighty at 119 utah street. http://mighty119.com/ That's 14 days 2 hrs and 48 min. till the D. over and out. -- Tim Moore
Re: (313) san fran
So are there a lot of San Franciscans on the list? I just moved here a couple of weeks ago from the DC area. I'm planning on hitting the Ark event on Saturday. It would be nice to meet a few more heads out here. Tim On Apr 20, 2005, at 5:01 PM, Melody Ng wrote: I also suggest Aquarius, which has an interesting selection of music - mostly on CD (I liken this place to the old Waterfront records or Red Eye in Sydney). They are slightly out of the way (1055 Valencia Street) but it's easy to get there And unlike the other stores, you can have a look in advance to see what they have in store - http://www.aquariusrecords.org/ But I agree, Ameoba is the place to go. You could literally spend hours in there. Just to give you an idea how big the place is http://melody.outer-rim.org/gallery/album10/aquariusrecords. m -Original Message- ## Notice: The information contained in this electronic mail is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may be confidential and/or privileged. If you have received this electronic mail in error, please delete it from your system and kindly notify the sender. If you are not the intended recipient you must not reproduce any part of this electronic mail or disclose its contents to any other party. ## -- Tim Moore
Re: (313) Monobox/Ae
On Mar 29, 2005, at 2:37 PM, darnistle wrote: Martin Dust wrote: Sorry, that's what all the glitch and chin kids call them up here ;) glitch and chin? LOL! Is that sorta like nipples and bass? ;) That sounds pretty good actually. Though personally I prefer drum bum. -- Tim Moore
Re: (313) DJ backpacks
On Oct 25, 2004, at 2:45 PM, jason kenjar wrote: Hey list- looking for some advice here. I could use a new backpack for my vinyl. The best one I've seen are the UR bags. They are made of strong material and have shoulder straps so I can wear it like a backpack. They also stand upright when full of record (some bags tip over) and have a large enough front pocket to carry around a good amount of stuff. The only thing Im not so sure about is the logo, I dont like wearing logos like underground resistance because when I travel, I get flagged. I might just get the UR bag, but I was wondering what you folks use? If you really like a bag that has a) shoulder straps, b) stands up right when full of record, c) strong material, and d) large pockets...please let me know. I really like my Shure bag. http://www.needlz.com/accessories/mrb.asp Really heavy-duty and lots of pockets. -- Tim Moore
Re: (313) Underated Producers
I've got some great Bryan Zentz records on both Intec and Tortured. Is that not techno? :-P -- Tim Moore On Oct 6, 2004, at 8:47 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tell you what. This got me thinking. (Yeah, yeah, I know that doesn't happen too often) Everyone bangs on about Tiesto etc. But bringing the conversation round a little, I noticed that the now famous Dj Mani in his top 10 list of labels name checked Intec (Carl Cox's label), and 2 of Billy Nasty's labels in his top 10. Now. This obviously proves DJ Mani is a total no-brainer, but also on another level too. If you ask me, at least with the likes of Tiesto etc you know where you stand. He's a popular trance dj, and does his thing to the masses. Carl Cox on the other hand, is a complete band-wagon jumper, who changes his micro style of music every few years or so to keep in with the kids. I forget how many times he's done it, but jesus. Billy Nasty is the same. Their current little thing is so called 'techno' (that's hard dance music to you and me) and f**kwits like Dj Mani are lapping it up and spending their money on it. There's 101 other worthy UK labels he could spend his money with, and has been for the last 15 years. Shame Dj Mani ignored all these and chose to spend his money with the jokers. He speaks of battles etc, and boycotts, but flippin 'eck, all us here in the UK have been battling against these jokers using the name techno from the year dot. It's nothing new. These clowns ruined that word 'techno' (and had done by about '92), such is which we can't use it anymore. I don't use it anyway, do you? Hmm, sorry, more ramblings. And if you guys from Renegade Rhythm come back with a story like well, me and the advent were having tea and scones and they say Carl Cox is alright, I'm gonna scream. Alex
Re: (313) Underated Producers
On Oct 1, 2004, at 9:22 AM, robin wrote: ok i wanna talk about music. my vote for a hugely underated producer is Gary Martin (teknotika) i mean check out that Serious Business 12 on Teknotika for recent proof. anyone else have a producer that you think is underated? robin.. Mathew Jonson just kidding I hear you on the Gary Martin thing. I like Jamie Bissmire a whole lot. I don't know if he's underrated or not, but I don't hear much mention of him. Not exactly 313 sound though. I found some really awesome minimal techhouse MP3s by a guy named Craque, but I can't find much information about him or anywhere to buy his stuff. -- Tim Moore
Re: (313) DJ MIXER: what would be your choice?
I've always liked playing on this guy http://www.allen-heath.com/xone464.asp -- Tim Moore On Sep 14, 2004, at 4:36 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi mates! which DJ mixer would u recommend for a club? it should have 3-4 inputs and most of all: great survival potential=) ../z99
Re: (313) Techno Films
On Aug 15, 2004, at 8:31 PM, David Gillies wrote: Simon Hindle wrote: Anime fillums are pretty techno I think - Ghost in the shell, Akira, (off topic can anyone recommend privately some good recent anime films)? So many manga films look techno, but it sh1ts me to tears that the majority of them have metal soundtracks. What the hells with that?!? I really enjoyed a series I saw on DVD recently called Boogiepop Phantom both for the complex and engaging storyline and for the totally kick ass soundtrack, which relied heavily on various types of electronic music. -- Tim Moore
Re: (313) Nitzer Ebb....eh?
On Jun 21, 2004, at 11:08 PM, Garrett wrote: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 5:48 PM Subject: (313) Nitzer Ebbeh? What's with their sudden popularity again? Is it a result of Richie Hawtin throwing them into his Decks, efx909 mix? i'm sure it had a lot to do with de9 but fwiw i can't remember a time he wasn't playing nitzer ebb.. Maybe this is an unpopular opinion but I've always thought that it was the low point of de9. It breaks what is otherwise a seamless flow through the mix. I don't dislike the track...I've heard it work well in other techno sets I guess... I do have to agree with the OP that they are low on my list of favorite EBM/industrial acts though. -- Tim Moore
Re: (313) ortofon cart question
On Jun 12, 2004, at 11:39 AM, Eric Kato wrote: Raph, Funny you mentioned the lick and wipe of the contacts. I do it, that's why I mentioned the rust problem with the Ortos. Ya, I usually keep a can of contact cleaner, except the damn can is never around when I need it!! A pencil eraser will do the trick a lot of the time, and it's easy to keep one in your record bag. -- Tim Moore
Re: (313) Ritchie and Magda last night in D.C.
I had no idea there were other people from DC/MD on this list! I'll echo the praise, and add that I hope the crowd response from Friday will convince the Buzzlife folks to book more techno in the future. They already have Miss Kitten Selway coming next month... -- Tim Moore On Jun 12, 2004, at 5:56 PM, LR T wrote: I was there as well and agree, it was a great night. They were both here last summer (well in Baltimore) at a July 4th party and it was so-so. I think that was part of the Control tour and had a very different sound/feel. But last night they were both on and played great tracks. Ritchie played hard, reminded me of his sets from a few years back. Banging. Magda pulls out the coolest tracks, her style is unique and was a great way to start out the night. Still smiling about getting too see both of them two weekends in a row, first Mutek and then back home in DC. Unfortunately that will probably be it for techno here for a looong time. Lara From: Arturo Lopez [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Ritchie and Magda last night in D.C. Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 15:14:48 -0400 Hey, just wanted to say that the Ritchie and Magda show last night here in DC went really well. We don't get to see either of these two around here very often (I think the last time Ritchie played here was like 3 years ago), so this was a real treat for us. You detroiters get spoiled with the quality of music you have access to :) If you are anywhere near any of the locations for this Minimize/Maximize tour, you should really make an effort to come out. -Art
Re: (313) need a new mixer. advice please!
I'll second the Stanton rec. I've got the same model and it's been great. It may have more bells whistles than you need (3 channels, fx loop, adjustable fader slopes) so you may prefer to opt for a more basic model, but as far as audio components go, if you're looking for a good mixer at mid-range price I'd say Stanton or Rane. -- Tim Moore On Mar 10, 2004, at 12:10 PM, Rob Tyte wrote: My behringer became very very noisy very very quickly on the x-fader I would not buy another one personally. I ended up buying a STANTON SMX-501 Mixer from Jason Brunton who is on this list I've had no problems and love it!! Should come in under EUR400.00 as well! -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 March 2004 17:02 To: 'matt kane's brain'; jurren baars; 313@hyperreal.org Subject:RE: (313) need a new mixer. advice please! That would be my recomendation to avoid, but hey ho. -Original Message- From: matt kane's brain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 March 2004 5:00 To: jurren baars; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) need a new mixer. advice please! At 11:54 AM 3/10/2004, jurren baars wrote: the price plays a huge factor. so no ah recommendations (400 euro's tops). try a behringer. i have a behringer non-dj mixer which i love. i hear their customer service is quite lacking though (from a guy who sells behringer stuff to people no less) -- unsigned short int to_yer_mama; http://www.mkb-dj.org Matthew Kane : Software Engineer : Zebra Atlantek, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments, and destroy any copies thereof. Thank you. ***
Re: (313) how do you mix
On Jan 9, 2004, at 9:24 PM, /0 wrote: i used to do the ableton live DJ thing but it felt more like doing a PA of ripped off 1-2-4-8 bar loops than a DJ set. I probably jsut freaked myself out :) -Joe I like the idea that it can kind of break down the boundaries between a DJ set and a live PA. The difference between mixing a prerecorded track and sampling it in another track is really just a matter of degree, innit? :-) For me, a lot of the appeal is to be able to do some interesting things in real time that you just can't really do with turntables. But on the other hand, sometimes you just want to play a track and let it stand on its own for a little while. I guess you can do that with Ableton, too, if you want. -- Tim Moore
Re: (313) how do you mix
On Jan 8, 2004, at 10:10 AM, robin wrote: so here's a question. once you get used to mixing with decent eqs (where they will properly cut) do you find it hard to go back to mixing with just a bog standard no-eq mixer? i know i do (my style is a lot simpler and more choppy with no eq), i just wondered if everyone else does. Definitely. There are a few big clubs around here with old-style rotary club mixers (Rane or Urei) where you're lucky if there's a master EQ...definitely no per-channel. Hate it...I can barely mix on those things, never mind anything like cuts. But I'm not much of a cutter anyway, to get back to the original question. I tend to go for long, smooth mixes. EQ the bass a lot to smooth out the mix...sometimes cut the treble slightly on the incoming if both of the tracks have a lot of high freqs. I enjoy the type of techno DJ that can roll through 30+ tracks in an hour, but I've never been that way myself. I tend to ride the mixes too long to blast through records like that. Not to mention that I'm totally indecisive about what to play next a lot of the time, so I end up waiting until the last minute to mix the next track in. -- Tim Moore
Re: (313) how do you mix
On Jan 8, 2004, at 5:45 PM, /0 wrote: I mix with a laptop, traktor, an oxygen 8, a mixer, an ineko, and an electrix mofx :) Good answer! :-) I've got a 12 PowerBook w/Reason and an Edirol USB controller, and a copy of Ableton Live is on order. I'm looking forward to seeing what I can do with that, either alongside or instead of a traditional turntable setup. I always regret admitting this in public DJ forums, but I really kind of hate spinning vinyl. I could do without the scratches, the pops, the cleaning solutions, the stacks of crates in my house and (most of all) the heavy bags! -- Tim Moore
