Re: [313] OT: Fw: Fischerspooner live in the UK
good morning :) yes, it´s having an official fine video - the Burden Brothers did it - Lawrence Burden talks bout it 4 example at http://www.overloadmedia.co.uk/interviews/lawrence_burden.html man, I love their "black on black" video - very inspiring and did see it on MTV here :) - some years ago > What kind of visual representation did Jaguar get, was there an official > video? > > - Giles > > D I G I T A S // B O S T O N > -- > Giles Dickerson > Art Director > 800 Boylston Street > Boston, MA > 02199 > -- > mobile 617 899 9635 > office 617 369 8601 > >> -- >> From: Tim Maughan >> Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2002 12:39 PM >> To: Giles Dickerson; Tom Robbins/Magic Feet; 313 mailing list >> Subject: Re: [313] OT: Fw: Fischerspooner live in the UK >> >> >> hahah:0 what you got to understand is that MTv over here is slightly >> different to the US. we've got a lot of different MTV channels and I think a >> bit more variety of music. "jaguar" got some pretty heavy rotation over here >> when it was first released, as is GV's "la la land" at the moment - as well >> as that awesome Roni Size/Cypress Hill track. A few months ago even Funk >> D'void's "bass Invaders" was getting played. >> >> And anyways, just a few days ago wasn't Mr Sean Deason saying he was getting >> some of those MTV dollars;) >> >> >> >> on 9/5/02 5:30 pm, Giles Dickerson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>> That's your fault for watching MTV :) >>> >>> - Giles >>> >>> D I G I T A S // B O S T O N >>> -- >>> Giles Dickerson >>> Art Director >>> 800 Boylston Street >>> Boston, MA >>> 02199 >>> -- >>> mobile 617 899 9635 >>> office 617 369 8601 >>> -- From: Tim Maughan Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2002 12:21 PM To: Tom Robbins/Magic Feet; 313 mailing list Subject: Re: [313] OT: Fw: Fischerspooner live in the UK on 9/5/02 1:27 pm, Tom Robbins/Magic Feet at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > "Like Siegfried & Roy meets a drunken > Cirque de Soleil. no, they actually sound WORSE than that. that single of theres was on MTV last night, god it was f**k awful. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] demf website
> how do *you* know the reason why he is popular is because he's white? > No, he´s not popular, because of that - Mr Hawtin deserves some respect for his work, for sure But others do deserve the same respect - so we should take care that no one is KING of the tendency to lift Richie so high are in danger to create a king and if there´s a 5 to 6 difference on that page - that´s strange Why I think this way ? As I also work in the music-world I used to meet quite a few journalists ad musicians warning me in general like: "black people are difficult" - some were warning me that for example 4 hero are difficult, some people were saying theo parrish is difficult - meeting them in person resulted in some of the best talks I ever did have - learnt much, chatted much, laughed much, - But if this phenomenan "watch out - difficult" is also around in the US and I think it is, it does have a effect how black intelectual techno artists get placed the media - and this is just a little example of the media-game - Let´s say there´s this URB-magazine or so, maybe they sell better with a black artist on the cover, maybe with a white artist, maybe better with male or a female artist ? but if it does make a difference to their business, what do you think they will do ? -yes, they will take care that the better selling race/gender is selected - all those aspects (many many more) work on the popularity of artists - this is why *we* prefer to focus this because there is so much of this stuff working undercover I won´t deny that focusing can also bring problems - but this is the next level - we ain´t there by now out - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] demf website
am 30.04.2002 0:47 Uhr schrieb Jayson B. unter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > ability to market himself and his music FAR surpases anyone else in detroit. very interesting - how do you know that ? what are your facts, making you say this ? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] demf website
why is he the most popular dj on the world ? > --someone wrote: > > because he is the most popular techno dj in the world. > > --someone wrote: > >> so again we need to enter the question: >> >> why is he on so many photos ? >> >> >>> >>> 5 out of the 6 pics of dj's on the website are of richie whitewashing at it's finest *angry beyond measure* >>> >>> >>> if it was 5 different white artists, then maybe i can understand. But > if >>> all five are of Richie, then i don't think this is whitewashing in the >>> SLIGHTEST. Say what you want, but richie is a far more popular and well >>> recognized artist (please, don't just say because he's white), and most >>> likely *that* is why so many of those pictures are of him. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _ >>> Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com >>> >>> >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] demf website
that´s all fine with me, though I couldn´t flip as you do bout certain "coca cola"-aspects - still the question was: "why is he the MORE popular" ? many of the things you mentioned would fit to many different individual Detroit artists - the way you pronounced it also gives me the impression as if you think Mr Hawtin is the one doing it "better" - don´t want to go on with this - and no question: respect for Mr Hawtins work but I would prefer to see some more people (from Detroit) representing on the pictures too - (imagining about a million young people visiting the page) out m planetz2002 > 1. Richie Hawtin is more popular because he's a marketing genius. > > 2. The Plastikman logo is an icon. Just like Coca-Cola logo. > > 3. He ran an extremely successful recordlabel (+8) that didn't limit > itself to strictly Detroit, therefore it had more sucess outside of Detroit. > > 4. Spaztik is perhaps the most versitile track of all-time. It works with > house, techno, booty... Everyone plays it, everyone loves it. > > 5. Even today, Rich aligns himself with exciting new technologies that are > not only cutting edge, but great for filling column inches in magazines. > > 6. Plus, he is definately in the top 10 DJ/producers in the world when it > comes to quality records and amazing sets. > > But since quality in music is more or les subjective and I have no desire > to argue with anyone who believes that Richie is not a good artist, please > refer back to points 1-5 to answer the question 'why is hawtin more > popular?' > > > > On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, neon tse tse wrote: > >> Yes, Richie Hatwin is a serious good artist, >> >> but why is he the "far more popular" one ? >> >> because he´s "the best" ? >> >> do you believe in "the best" ? >> >> is it possible he´s "far more popular", >> >> because he also is on so many photos, jpgs, maybe ? >> >> so again we need to enter the question: >> >> why is he on so many photos ? >> >> >>> >>> >>>> 5 out of the 6 pics of dj's on the website are of richie >>>> >>>> >>>> whitewashing at it's finest >>>> >>>> >>>> *angry beyond measure* >>> >>> >>> if it was 5 different white artists, then maybe i can understand. But if >>> all five are of Richie, then i don't think this is whitewashing in the >>> SLIGHTEST. Say what you want, but richie is a far more popular and well >>> recognized artist (please, don't just say because he's white), and most >>> likely *that* is why so many of those pictures are of him. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _ >>> Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com >>> >>> >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] demf website
Yes, Richie Hatwin is a serious good artist, but why is he the "far more popular" one ? because he´s "the best" ? do you believe in "the best" ? is it possible he´s "far more popular", because he also is on so many photos, jpgs, maybe ? so again we need to enter the question: why is he on so many photos ? > > >> 5 out of the 6 pics of dj's on the website are of richie >> >> >> whitewashing at it's finest >> >> >> *angry beyond measure* > > > if it was 5 different white artists, then maybe i can understand. But if > all five are of Richie, then i don't think this is whitewashing in the > SLIGHTEST. Say what you want, but richie is a far more popular and well > recognized artist (please, don't just say because he's white), and most > likely *that* is why so many of those pictures are of him. > > > > > > > _ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] demf website
yeah, the mirror-image for the middleclass ... oops I did it again > > 5 out of the 6 pics of dj's on the website are of richie > > > whitewashing at it's finest > > > *angry beyond measure* > > -k > > > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Fw: Moby Responds To Eminem...
öhem, just 2 set things "straight" was posting that private, because it was not detroit, I don´t give a funk if list-people wonder if I´m gay or not but if gay people are only represented by elton john and pet shop boys on this list - that´s a problem :) - so we better find some cool "official" gay detroit representers and about those advanced pop artists moby and eminem can you imagine them being a couple ? eminem forcing moby 2 show him a lil respect, after moby was getting the beer outta the fridge for him ? wouldn´t it be great, if this sm-relation would stop them making music ? oops, there goes the mail > Well, I ain't no gay rapper, that's for sure, I like men too much and I > can't rap. ;) > > -- >> From: neon tse tse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: Cyclone Wehner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: [313] Fw: Moby Responds To Eminem... >> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 5:03 AM >> > >> d.c. >> >> http://www.gayhiphop.com/music/index.html >> >> didn´t find any detroit, >> >> but there´s cyclone up there :) >> >> m >> planetz2002 >> >>> Nah, it's someone who supported Peaches, that's how I found out. >>> >>> I heard about the NY guy - there was an article in Vibe or The Source on >>> him, this guy was definitely Detroit-based. >>> >>> -- >>>> From: "Jayson B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> Subject: Re: [313] Fw: Moby Responds To Eminem... >>>> Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 2:23 AM >>>> >>> >>>> >>>>> I heard there is a sensational (officially, as opposed to speculatively) >>>>> gay >>>>> rapper in Detroit actually! Anyone know his name? >>>> >>>> >>>> not that he really raps, but isn't Aaron Carl Gay? I think that kid is >>>> brilliant. >>>> >>>> _ >>>> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. >>>> >>> >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >> > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Europe/US Electroclash Magic Bus rant
what about starting a direct debate - the meaning of "underground" 2002 ? and what this so often used word means to people here ? - and now again a bit of drifting - I think the fashion statement also was interesting to the underground-question in general, because it´s true that most music "categorys" connected with youth-movements also were connected to specific youth-fashion-rituals (the techno-movement in europe was also connected with certain fashion styles) and many culturez include the aspects of decoration, presenting sexuality, beauty, beauty-resistance, body politix, body moves, dancing styles ... - participation and connecting the full range of communication aspects... mixed with the nightlife aspects Though I also do think, that many conclusionz of "pop"-analyziz based on the observation of a short decade in history (from 50ies to 90ies) are not as timeless, as they pretend to be and things have changed a lot "loss of innocence" - as we live in a time were many people in the "civilized world" can get almost any "image" or style home on the computer with a simple mouseclick - this is the reason why for example the senile glamourizing of the uncoded neo-80ies-nu-wave-style is yawn galore to me (most of it is obvioulsy created on the background of too lazy copied strategies of pop and pop-models (mirror-images) for selling more records) I think this level of "cleverness" can hardly feed any movement (underground or whatever) with substance - blub, sorry - it´s late and it´s in english and where was the 313-link ? ohem: Underground Resistance ? yes - what means underground to you ? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Disco
also catchin up: check out Bohannon, and he´s also definitively not offlist - very important part of Detroit´s music history and his almost minimal plain funk stomp is timeless - perfect and it´s obvious that many elements in house and techno-productions have been roaming in the same territory of beat-knowledge - Foot Stompin' Music > this is an ancient thread but i'm playing catchup. > > i know they're incredibly over-sampled and over-played, but the Chic > Organization had an immeasurible influence on both pop and electronic music. > all of the early Chic albums contain killer, if over-familiar, singles and > hidden-gem album tracks. even their Sister Sledge productions are paragons > of economy and melancholy beauty. "Good Times" is often cited as a big > influence on everything from deep house to Inner City to Goldie's "Inner > City Life." i can't recommend 'em enough. > > brian > > > -Original Message- > From: Gwendal Cobert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 1:21 AM > To: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: [313] Disco > > > I know this is off-topic, so replies could be off-list, but since there are > so many people knowledgeable on disco on this list... I'm currently > discovering there is more to the genre than Abba and Boney M, so I'd > appreciate recommendations for comps, albums... especially stuff like > Salsoul Orchestra > thanks in advance ! > Gwendal > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] D.I.S.
what´s up with this one - any detailed infos out there ? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] regarding 2 BUZINEZZ AZ UZUAL
be happy this is also gonna be my last comment on this thread for some time this morning I thought I did see some light when Mr Atkins came down to talk to us and Tamara was bringing it down 100 % - easy to understand I thought the time was there to bring us back but some ego-f*ckers don´t listen U JUST DON`T LISTEN U DON`T EVEN TRY TO LISTEN TO WHAT MR. ATKINS WAS SAYING U DON`T LISTEN TO SOME MESSAGES ON THE RECORDS YOU BUY U DON`T LISTEN TO LAURA, WORKING FOR J.ATKINS, RECLOOSE AND MANY OTHERS - this list is about 313-techno and not your ignorance U WANT TO HEAR YOURSELF - PROMOTE YOUR OWN VISION - YOUR OWN MUSIC U WANT TO MAKE YOUR OWN PARTY FOR YOUR TAKE-OVER EGO`S business as usual - you are my nightmare m - NO FEAR OF A BLACK PLANET > Hello, > Is it possible that this is the most ignorant person in America? How does the > fact that Juan Atkins is an African American this excludes him from being > racist? Where does this come from? > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Donnerstag, 7. März 2002 17:32 Uhr > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [313] Regarding Business > > Racism is a system of insitutionalized discrimination against one group by > another. > > Under this system in America white skin and whiteness is accorded certain > priveiliges. > > It comes from a historical precedent set by North American chattel slavery > where whites owned so called "black" people. > > The Civil Rights Movement was about African-Americans earning their rights to > be treated as full citizens of a country we continue to build. > > Juan Atkins is African-American. His decisions can not affect the lives of > whole groups of people thus he can not be a "racist." > > Ever heard of Cornel West? bell hooks? Manning Marable? Martin Luther King? > Michael Eric Dyson?? > > Or how about Screamin' Jay Hawkins? Ike Turner? Wyonnie Harris? Little > RIchard or my personal favorite Jimi Hendrix? > > > My name is not "buddy" it's Tamara and if you have a problem with me you can > address me by Ms. Harris. > > Apparently some people on this list need to go back to Reading Comprehension > 101 and re-read Juan's interview. And it also sounds like many people here > need to do some "Black" (because this a social construct people are named by > their geographies although in the '60's the term was appropriated) and > "white" history studies of the United States. > > > I can not say that I like Juan Atkins because I don't know him personally but > I do love his music. > > I have been a fan of Detroit Techno since I heard "Cosmic Car" as a kid > listening to the radio and Mojo. > > > > Tamara Harris > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Regarding Business - get with it
am 07.03.2002 0:02 Uhr schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED] unter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > REGARDING BUSINESS : the truth I know is: many clubs don´t book the good european artists and labels either - just a few > WHAT ABOUT THE LOVE PARADE > 1.5 MILLION PEOPLE IN ONE AFTERNOON > THIS IS THE BIGGEST EVENT IN THE WORLD The Loveparade is a bunch of M*therf*ckers - The music they do promote is formular-gimmick-techno-rubbish running on MtV- Oakenfoald-style They don´t invite really good European Artists you won´t see Delsin, 2000black, Source (germs), Basic Channel, Archive, Cheap there - just maybe at night in the clubs but not organized by the Bluff-parade Maybe they will catch some of the Neo-Wave-Techno-trash this year and find this funky - when it´s Green Velvet it´s the revolution. The main reason why Detroit techno artists are not coming over here that often is because it´s too high quality and won´t sell as easy as the bullshit does ... m planetz2002 > 10 years ago the world promoter > radio, press will contacting you > for detroit artist > > 10 years ago all european > majors or big independant > label will contact you also > for your detroit artist > > now, 95 % of european promoter > does not want to book detroit > dj often scare of no show, not > collecting the money back > for the 50 % deposit or flight. > > Label company does not > want to deal anymore too much > with Detroit artist as they do not > deliver on time what they did promis... > > > Demf is now controlling by > Carol Marvin who think that is > the biggest festival in the world !!! > WHAT ABOUT THE LOVE PARADE > 1.5 MILLION PEOPLE IN ONE AFTERNOON > THIS IS THE BIGGEST EVENT IN THE WORLD > > > Business is business, I'm > in the business since more than 10 years > and if you don't handle the business correctly > people will not follow any more, > and the reputation going down, down, > down. > > > regards black and white, i think > this is more into the USA... > We don't have to deal too much with this > problem in europ, but for sure in the > usa it is a real problem and i'm agree > with Laura for this... > > Detroit artist are really respect > in europ may be more than the usa > and lots of people here in europ will > still keep to listen detroit stuff all the > time. > > Regards, > > Fdjaaleb. > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Regarding Business
> I cant believe what bullshit this list is. dont you fools > know that the music knows no color? Theo Parrish: "every kind of music played by a black musician includes a black message" >for months on end on the [313] mailing list. that is just dumb, > not to mention COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC you call some lyrics, words, titles, music and statements by theo parrish, juan atkins, moodyman, robert hood, mike grant etc ... offlist ? - how can you expect people to shut up, when certain Detroit-tunes and lyrics they love include this subject directly ? This list doesn´t even come to the point to reflect it in the way it should be because everytime someone appears to shout STOP IT as long so many people STILL keep bumpin it against the wall REJECT IT or IGNORE IT by calling it COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC it needs to be corrected, everytime - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Regarding Business
no no no correction: this was not written for the use against any one of the originators and artists from Detroit as Mr Atkins, I was not saying that, no way, - Juan Atkins is the father of this music. He created this. - His Music is absolutely oustanding His label is one of the best labels in the scene and it´s not 15 years ago what the hell are you talking bout ? When he want´s to move to another level and he is scanning the justice of the music-industry by experience, by having created the ground for a scene before - it´s something completly different to what my statement was about. it was about the robot-kind-of-business-men-philosophy, ONLY being about business, as I was responding to the communication between Otto and Big Loada and that was about a different state of mind. I was answering to the statement - business first and music second - and yes giving special props to them staying independent cauze it´s a long way to go and some failed before reaching the goal and don´t deny that and what that can mean, how hard this can be. it is about surviving too - Mr Juan Atkins is a part of the scene whatever he also is fighting for now and whereever he is living this is his life and only because he is talking about business aspects and is involved with bigger business that doesn´t mean it´s his main subject - his quotes make sense to me (as far as the xlr8r interview for example was correct) and people can learn from it. That doesn´t proove them wrong, taking another route. Some things he is explaining seem to proove them but all people of the scene who made this happen, because they were about music first and then the business they deserve my full respect and get it. who am I to say anything else ? so don´t use my words for your own moral concept when your going to judge prooved outstanding artists I was not talking about this point of view though I will not reject your opinion for yourself but don´t play the artists against each other because I think there are other really shady people already calculating with this for some business, some big events ... > yeah, i think a lot of people are forgetting that there are plenty of > newer artist who do better with each release. > > just because juan or any of the old guard are having problems doesn't mean > that al is lost. > > you shouldn't judge the strength of the scene by the career of the guys > who did it fifteen years ago. Look at the people wo are doing it now. > > > > On Mon, 4 Mar 2002, Neontsetse wrote: > >> >>> The fact that they don't do it for techno... *shrug*... Their loss. It >>> gives us the chance to do it our way. And the fact that we've succeeded >>> so far pretty much without them... it pisses them off to no end. I like >>> :) >>> >> >>> Otto >>> >> >> yeah, keep em behind - >> >> all the hard working independent labels and artists >> >> will rise and rise and rise >> >> above the business machines >> >> soon Detroit techno labels will be even more succssfull, >> >> independent and many will be owned by briliant artists, >> >> many of them being black >> >> making highest quality music >> >> - that´s what I call good business >> >> making it happen, though no one >> >> would have seen this happen when it started >> >> full strike >> >> get of our back with any programmed vision >> >> how business works or should work >> >> and we still can blame the other´s, >> >> waiting for the bigger succes to step in then >> >> for making the quick buck´s >> >> buck off - Detroit techno shows us, what we want it to be like >> >> this is why this list is here >> >> DETROIT RISE >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FW: [313] Regarding Business
neontsetse services react to your requests and stop double spacing 4 your enjoyment this one got redesigned - c bullistic pints edition 2002 > The fact that they don't do it for techno... *shrug*... Their loss. It > gives us the chance to do it our way. And the fact that we've succeeded > so far pretty much without them... it pisses them off to no end. I like > :) > > Otto > yeah, keep em behind - all the hard working independent labels and artists will rise and rise and rise above the business machines soon Detroit techno labels will be even more succssfull, independent and many will be owned by briliant artists, many of them being black making highest quality music - that´s what I call good business making it happen, though no one would have seen this happen when it started full strike get of our back with any programmed vision how business works or should work and we still can blame the other´s, waiting for the bigger succes to step in then for making the quick buck´s buck off - Detroit techno shows us, what we want it to be like this is why this list is here DETROIT RISE - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] transmat 26
IT IS ABOUT THE MUSIC WHAT MOST PEOPLE HERE ARE TALKING ABOUT all the time - just on another level then you use to do it - you used to call some of my postings "crap, boring" without showing up you´re willing to explain any argument - and now again you think it´s the best time to come with a diss, using methods of suggestion and manipulation - at this moment many people will be tired and confused of the heavyness and mistakes and hurtings done in the debate You´re missing a debate about the history of the Dutch Colonization ? and the consequences in the music world ? The Dutch were in South Africa too ? Or you think this ain´t playing any role in this context ? all is just easyfunkyfunkyeasy ? > Hey Otto- you obviously haven't been keeping up with things on 313 list > recently- we don't talk about music any more- that is so last century- and > you also forgot to get on your soapbox, insult as many people as possible, > swear like a MF, double space your post, argue endlessly about nothing in > particular and generally be an asshole- don't let it happen again > > :) > > Jason Brunton > Iridite - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] re: (313) The Great White Hype...was IT'S ABOUT TIME!!!
> actually, you couldn't be further from the truth. you don't know me - you > don't know where i'm from or who i am. you don't know what I do and you > certainly don't fucking know what i think. > hold on - this wasn´t adressed to you it was directly connected to this statement: > don't expect me to give a damn what you think. but wait - I have to say I´m sorry 2 Tom and you in this case as I didn´t know the heavy meaning of "f" in germs the word "schwul" for homosexuals is the only used word nowadays and not nasty or discriminting - the translation I used - didn´t show up "f" is discriminating - I did ask some friends about it - and they explained it to me that it is heavy - SORRY - hold on don´t go from the list because of me - you can call me fucker and tink I´m a fucker though - don´t care - still I have no respect for the other entry - to show up how nasty the one discrimination is, to come up with another ... no one in the world would make me take back my answer on that one but Tim and Tom - please enter the debate again it´s good you made this point clear but the whole debate didn´t start with this mistake and shouldn´t be stopped m planetz2002 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] The -not white - talking drums
> > -Race/ Culture and who owns music. Hey i don't get this?, no race culture > owns music, music has no colour. Music has no colour - would be true, if the music would be as "free and individual" as people try to sell this artform - but music is made by humans (most times - otherwise aliens as martians or alien artform or sun ra :D ) but - humans are having their roots in different culturez and most of the music has it origins in the culturez even all individual outstanding artists do have their sources that were there b4 - and you can hear it when you will take some time to research - one xample for the african roots in music: much modern music and much Detroit techno works with the paradox effect of the syncope - this effect and the meaning of the syncope is a very strong magical and deep effect - (mathematicaly also interesting) the means you have two time lines starting from the same point but still in realtion to each another - two time dimensions running at the same time - you can´t resist when this starts working on you ! it has a religious effect Bach used to have this in his music too but he didn´t develope it to a point that you could compare it with african tribe patterns the complex syncope in the pattern is coming from the culture of african tribes and is working sometimes stronger deeper sometimes less in all modern music "pop, rock, trance ...etc - now there´s much more of those fundamental elements coming from black culture in the modern music - Africa and African tribes do not profit on having worked out various complex patterns with various religious effects and many other elements in music culture, but the sons and daughters of the culture who were slaved and shipped and brought to america, england, jamaica etc... they still have kept some of the basic knowledge of this highest level developed music culture ... and kept on developing it - (blues, gospel, jazz, rocknroll, reggae, so much more was created under stongest influence of this tradition, and was mainly again developed by by black people ...) The "european music culture" used to make "listening music" over many centurys and didn´t take care to innovate and develope the tribal music-culture on a serious level (incl participation (dancing, singing) and communication) so they started to steal the elements of the opressed black cuture, but also rarely understood what was the source) - the thing is that the european culture is full of certain "elitist individualism philosophy and the calculating ego mind" "isolation of the individualz- effect", that does reject the view to the sources I´m not going to tell you that Mozart, Vivaldi, Ravel, Gershwin haven´t done great nice music too with good intensions too they also do have their influences on the music nowadays - but if you step into music culture you will see, that the innovators and basic creators with substance of the music we hear and dance to nowadays have the main ingrediants and roots created in Africa and by the sons and daughters of Africa try to see this in the context of the opression, that is still continuing on a more silent level and then you should understand why you can´t come along with the simple argument - music has no colour - music of many colours - the main ingrediant nowadays has got it´s roots in black culture and the more you see this the more you will wonder how little people want to see and know about it m planetz2002 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] The Great White Hype...was IT'S ABOUT TIME!!!
> because you're not doing anything else but worry about someone else's > bee's wax. what are you doing for yourself? if you're not part of the > solution, you're part of the problem. > > i mean no offense at all, but its the truth. Yeah of course I see this - and agree with it ! I´m doing some stuff 4 it - don´t want to highlight as it ain´t enough also it´s obvious that there are a lot of people on the list acting and connected with the 313-scene too - putting some work into it (writers, bookers, musicians, dh´s, labels, record-shops, dancers...) and some doing it for a long time ...- connected with the music - and are playing their role in the business too and that´s the reason why it´s good to communicate about it - this list is a source for knowledge (could sometimes be a deeper source if would not only go with the argument - only music and would take some time to scan the work they´ve bought with buying a record and accept there´s much to learn and understand from it - connected with the music ) the other view is: this list is full of debates about the business of other people - if you say this argument, everything beside your own work would need to be cutted out - and this would be no-more-words - said it b4 - always a solution too. but as long as we are talking people on 313 - and feel the need to communicate this list is the chance to communicate and to step deeper into to the intensions, backgrounds visions of the music, the artists - and the to reflect the role we´re playing ... to connect and to take care that the substance in the art, which is the true source for the sense of sub-culture get´s reflected in a sensefull way - much of the debates show up how many questions and views and mistakes (my mistakes included) are out there - I think it´s great to see how many people now wrote much, wrote long letters showing up they care about a debate and want to participate - including the feedback including to show up their own experiences, morals, reasons and visions I think it´s important as long as the debate is there people do say their feelings, views, worries and thoughts with respect for the artists why there is this list realy listening to them who are doing the music - and then there´s the chance to drop the ego´s sometime and move more together for a change of all the shit that is seperating people - (this is one movement of a various movements on various levels - hip hop did bring in some changes in society on some levels, based on much of the alterative information it transports - over here it did) - but the subcultures are getting soaky as people are getting lost in postmodern slowdown - though so much is needed to be stopped - this debate should continue and shouldn´t again be stopped by them, who want the music to be just a tasty collectable item I do like them too - but I don´t like them to stop this again more views, thoughts, worries, analyzing first, in the debate - - 4 a united "love movement - revolution of change" m planetz2002 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jayson B. unter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > sorry MOTHERFUCKER - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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am 01.03.2002 19:10 Uhr schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED] unter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > People, you are always going to be broke if you're worrying about someone > else's income. always going to e broke ? who are you talking to ? what you mean by that ? m planetz2002 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] re: (313) The Great White Hype...was IT'S ABOUT TIME!!!
> don't expect me to give a damn what you think. don´t be searching 4 mistakes for switching it off - yes. please speak up and say what you don´t agree with, but do enter the subject and don´t suggest there´s nothing 4 you and others "to give a damn" about it - then, if you enter this subject, you will make mistakes too - cauze this shit is heavy and it is complex the shit is embated and hidden in various corrupt files in us living in the "master and servant" "up and down" structures on the globe scann the reality of the structures for this simple top priority view: the story of the opression of black people on this globe - man, how long is this happening ? how much longer should we compromise with theese structures and stay calm ? Opression of black people in US keeps going on since five centurys FIVE CENTURYS - REALITY and MIND CONTROL we are living now, today, and the shit is still there as the structures of the game for the competitions were built long time ago in the past - the advantage of the "civilized world" (built on war, slavery, robbery, stealing, raping - colonization) - in the game is obvious - - playing monopoly with already "owning" all the money streets and hotels - take a break and try to feel how many souls were and still are controlled, regulated and dominated by this reality - - now inside of the structures there are also phenomenans out there putting dust in our eyes, that do not reflect the reality of the priority if you are not realizing and even denying this it starts another effect - you make are playing your role in it - you delete the voices by making them seem and later go "crazy, emotional and agressive" - you might have heard of this, as a reaction to "mobbing" ? 4 example - the many hidden mindtricks the structures implant on us people - they are hidden inside of us too, even when it´s about this "subculture" we always are a part of the structures on the globe - Laura said it: competition - competition makes us focus the fear on our own buts. We fear what might happen, if we would have no money to survive No one really wants to exchange his life with soemebody starving and this does implant various compromises - walking through life the compromises implant much hidden shit, because it requires certain surfaces of identity (stereotypes) to make it to play the game that always does enter the inner side - if it doesn´t get reflected .. but when you do play the game, there´s not much time to reflect ... your mind is getting soaky - MIND CONTROL enters right here .. the structures of the competition are regulating the chances of the complete cultures to get realized, understood and paid ! and that´s the REALITY CONTROL - Most of what I write here was already included in Lauras mail ... ... you wanted to hide away, because of some offensive language, that wasn´t even adressed to your name in th first place to hide away from this reality is a part of the game to shut up or to speak "clever and correct" is the first thing you learn in school, later in your job, in life to become successfull - the story of the calculating mind - again - in a debate like this - mistakes will be made many mistakes, when you enter this discussion it´s impossible to go without XTRA PROPS 4 LAURA AND DIANA`S ENTRY`S - reflections of high quality m planetz2002 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
