Re: (313) Detroit... how did it go?
Isn't that the type of sh*t that the Woodstock people pulled? Was one of the reasons that people finally rioted and burned the place down. MEK Main criticism I had was NO FREE WATER. That was downright dangerous Monday.
Re: (313) Detroit... how did it go?
Detroit is made entirely of concrete, so that solves that problem. On Jun 5, 2006, at 10:09, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't that the type of sh*t that the Woodstock people pulled? Was one of the reasons that people finally rioted and burned the place down. MEK Main criticism I had was NO FREE WATER. That was downright dangerous Monday. -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk || mkbwriu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) Detroit... how did it go?
that hasnt stopped anyone from trying. Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Detroit is made entirely of concrete, so that solves that problem. On Jun 5, 2006, at 10:09, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't that the type of sh*t that the Woodstock people pulled? Was one of the reasons that people finally rioted and burned the place down. MEK Main criticism I had was NO FREE WATER. That was downright dangerous Monday. -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk || mkbwriu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) Detroit... how did it go?
I had forgotten about the 1990 Woodstock thing entirely. That should give some clue about my age - I was starting to reply about how I wasn't actually at Woodstock because I would have been kicked out by parents for hitchhiking to New York! The Woodstock I know was all peace/love/dope. No riots, just mud. j -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Isn't that the type of sh*t that the Woodstock people pulled? Was one of the reasons that people finally rioted and burned the place down. MEK
Re: (313) Detroit... how did it go?
great pics as always paisan! btw, you are always surrounded by beautiful womeni should come to boston and hang out with you :P - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Kent Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]; list 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 9:50 PM Subject: Re: (313) Detroit... how did it go? DETROIT MOVIES !!! http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/Agave16.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/AgavePlexusFinger20.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/AgaveWhatUp17.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/AgaveWhiteHat18.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/GlitchieHawtin14.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/MarcHouleOldDays26.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/Morning44.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/Morning45.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/NitzerChant10.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/SpeedyJLiebing10.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/SpeedyJLiebing17.AVI FOTOS !!! http://flickr.com/photos/dangerfellini/sets/ PaxaDEMF Movement 2006 http://jgphotoworks.com/otherdjs.html -- Original message -- From: Kent Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] I had a great time this year, actually, and feel like I was at a different festival than Tom Cox, even though I was hanging out with him half the time. I hope that Paxahau will take into account the criticism they got on the line-up, because it really should be more about Detroit music. At the same time, the music I saw was all great. Fred Giannelli, La Petit Orb, Szymanski, Jeremy Ellis, John Arnold, Tortured Soul, Dan Bell, Carl Craig, Starsky and Clutch, Deadbeat, Godfather, were all great musical experiences for me. Stacey Pullen, Mike Huckaby, and Harvey at Oslo were awesome as well. I wonder if there's some sort of dance music diet club going on. Huckaby is looking trimmer, and Boo Williams has dropped probably a hundred pounds! Boo was showing off his wife, and seemed as happy as I've ever seen him. Main criticism I had was NO FREE WATER. That was downright dangerous Monday. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/355 - Release Date: 02/06/2006
Re: (313) Detroit... how did it go?
well, they never pose naked in my bed for me so what's the point ? ; P telepathic regards, the kinky scientist -- Original message -- From: fab. [EMAIL PROTECTED] great pics as always paisan! btw, you are always surrounded by beautiful womeni should come to boston and hang out with you :P - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Kent Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]; list 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 9:50 PM Subject: Re: (313) Detroit... how did it go? DETROIT MOVIES !!! http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/Agave16.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/AgavePlexusFinger20.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/AgaveWhatUp17.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/AgaveWhiteHat18.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/GlitchieHawtin14.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/MarcHouleOldDays26.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/Morning44.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/Morning45.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/NitzerChant10.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/SpeedyJLiebing10.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/SpeedyJLiebing17.AVI FOTOS !!! http://flickr.com/photos/dangerfellini/sets/ PaxaDEMF Movement 2006 http://jgphotoworks.com/otherdjs.html -- Original message -- From: Kent Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] I had a great time this year, actually, and feel like I was at a different festival than Tom Cox, even though I was hanging out with him half the time. I hope that Paxahau will take into account the criticism they got on the line-up, because it really should be more about Detroit music. At the same time, the music I saw was all great. Fred Giannelli, La Petit Orb, Szymanski, Jeremy Ellis, John Arnold, Tortured Soul, Dan Bell, Carl Craig, Starsky and Clutch, Deadbeat, Godfather, were all great musical experiences for me. Stacey Pullen, Mike Huckaby, and Harvey at Oslo were awesome as well. I wonder if there's some sort of dance music diet club going on. Huckaby is looking trimmer, and Boo Williams has dropped probably a hundred pounds! Boo was showing off his wife, and seemed as happy as I've ever seen him. Main criticism I had was NO FREE WATER. That was downright dangerous Monday. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/355 - Release Date: 02/06/2006
Re: (313) Detroit... how did it go?
little brain fart here fred. hey if you make any electroish records in the future you should use the moniker the krumpy scientist Scotto On Jun 5, 2006, at 12:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well, they never pose naked in my bed for me so what's the point ? ; P telepathic regards, the kinky scientist -- Original message -- From: fab. [EMAIL PROTECTED] great pics as always paisan! btw, you are always surrounded by beautiful womeni should come to boston and hang out with you :P - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Kent Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]; list 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 9:50 PM Subject: Re: (313) Detroit... how did it go? DETROIT MOVIES !!! http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/Agave16.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/AgavePlexusFinger20.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/AgaveWhatUp17.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/AgaveWhiteHat18.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/GlitchieHawtin14.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/MarcHouleOldDays26.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/Morning44.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/Morning45.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/NitzerChant10.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/SpeedyJLiebing10.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/SpeedyJLiebing17.AVI FOTOS !!! http://flickr.com/photos/dangerfellini/sets/ PaxaDEMF Movement 2006 http://jgphotoworks.com/otherdjs.html -- Original message -- From: Kent Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] I had a great time this year, actually, and feel like I was at a different festival than Tom Cox, even though I was hanging out with him half the time. I hope that Paxahau will take into account the criticism they got on the line-up, because it really should be more about Detroit music. At the same time, the music I saw was all great. Fred Giannelli, La Petit Orb, Szymanski, Jeremy Ellis, John Arnold, Tortured Soul, Dan Bell, Carl Craig, Starsky and Clutch, Deadbeat, Godfather, were all great musical experiences for me. Stacey Pullen, Mike Huckaby, and Harvey at Oslo were awesome as well. I wonder if there's some sort of dance music diet club going on. Huckaby is looking trimmer, and Boo Williams has dropped probably a hundred pounds! Boo was showing off his wife, and seemed as happy as I've ever seen him. Main criticism I had was NO FREE WATER. That was downright dangerous Monday. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/355 - Release Date: 02/06/2006
Re: (313) Detroit... how did it go?
I had a great time this year, actually, and feel like I was at a different festival than Tom Cox, even though I was hanging out with him half the time. I hope that Paxahau will take into account the criticism they got on the line-up, because it really should be more about Detroit music. At the same time, the music I saw was all great. Fred Giannelli, La Petit Orb, Szymanski, Jeremy Ellis, John Arnold, Tortured Soul, Dan Bell, Carl Craig, Starsky and Clutch, Deadbeat, Godfather, were all great musical experiences for me. Stacey Pullen, Mike Huckaby, and Harvey at Oslo were awesome as well. I wonder if there's some sort of dance music diet club going on. Huckaby is looking trimmer, and Boo Williams has dropped probably a hundred pounds! Boo was showing off his wife, and seemed as happy as I've ever seen him. Main criticism I had was NO FREE WATER. That was downright dangerous Monday.
Re: (313) Detroit... how did it go?
DETROIT MOVIES !!! http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/Agave16.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/AgavePlexusFinger20.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/AgaveWhatUp17.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/AgaveWhiteHat18.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/GlitchieHawtin14.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/MarcHouleOldDays26.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/Morning44.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/Morning45.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/NitzerChant10.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/SpeedyJLiebing10.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/SpeedyJLiebing17.AVI FOTOS !!! http://flickr.com/photos/dangerfellini/sets/ PaxaDEMF Movement 2006 http://jgphotoworks.com/otherdjs.html -- Original message -- From: Kent Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] I had a great time this year, actually, and feel like I was at a different festival than Tom Cox, even though I was hanging out with him half the time. I hope that Paxahau will take into account the criticism they got on the line-up, because it really should be more about Detroit music. At the same time, the music I saw was all great. Fred Giannelli, La Petit Orb, Szymanski, Jeremy Ellis, John Arnold, Tortured Soul, Dan Bell, Carl Craig, Starsky and Clutch, Deadbeat, Godfather, were all great musical experiences for me. Stacey Pullen, Mike Huckaby, and Harvey at Oslo were awesome as well. I wonder if there's some sort of dance music diet club going on. Huckaby is looking trimmer, and Boo Williams has dropped probably a hundred pounds! Boo was showing off his wife, and seemed as happy as I've ever seen him. Main criticism I had was NO FREE WATER. That was downright dangerous Monday.
Re: (313) Detroit... how did it go?
I'll echo that - except I discovered the small bathroom right above the underground stage *did* have the cold water on...after I had spent probably $15 on 'smart' (for whom??) water. Lesson learned. jeff Main criticism I had was NO FREE WATER. That was downright dangerous Monday.
Re: (313) Detroit... how did it go?
On 6/4/06, Kent Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had a great time this year, actually, and feel like I was at a different festival than Tom Cox, even though I was hanging out with him half the time. I hope that Paxahau will take into account the criticism they got on the line-up, because it really should be more about Detroit music. At the same time, the music I saw was all great. Fred Giannelli, La Petit Orb, Szymanski, Jeremy Ellis, John Arnold, Tortured Soul, Dan Bell, Carl Craig, Starsky and Clutch, Deadbeat, Godfather, were all great musical experiences for me. Stacey Pullen, Mike Huckaby, and Harvey at Oslo were awesome as well. the problem is that that was ALL the good music (+ louie vega and the NYC cats on the house stage on monday), spread over 3 days of the festival and 4 nights of potential after parties. its not that i didnt really enjoy all of those sets, because i did. but when you take into account the normal 18 hours or so of music enjoyment i got on every single other day ive been at a festival and compare it to the fact that i had to hide from bad music on many occasions and it was a large large difference in total overall enjoyment. i am really salty i missed the saturday night stuff, id have like to have seen shake really badly. and i only had one new discovery of unexpectedly good music at this festival, which was mikkel metal or whatever his name was. i liked what he played at the festival, and ive since listened to some of his releases and i really liked them as well, especially the more downtempo stuff. anyway, if they could keep things as organized and well flowing as they did this year but bring in lineups more like what we've seen in the past, paxahau would be in really good shape and would have my support. they did a good job on actually RUNNING the festival, but they need serious help with booking the music. if they booked good music, all the other complaints i have would probably disappear. Main criticism I had was NO FREE WATER. That was downright dangerous Monday. there was a water fountain near the food court area that was free and cold, strangely i guess not many people knew about it since there wasnt even a line! it was funny watching minto get busted trying to jump over the counter at the food court to get to a sink to soak his head on monday afternoon! tom
Re: (313) Detroit... how did it go?
there was a water fountain near the food court area that was free and cold, strangely i guess not many people knew about it since there wasnt even a line! That's because it was shut completely off (purposely - the valve just behind the knob was shut off) on Saturday. I wrenched it back on to a trickle, but it seemed to be pinched off at another source. I'm not sure when I noticed it back on at a decent flow - seems like it wasn't until Monday. In the meantime, the bathrooms near it had only hot water. jeff
Re: (313) Detroit... how did it go?
netflix ala techno. thanks for the wonderful post! I vote Fred as head documentarian for every DEMF/Movement here out. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DETROIT MOVIES !!! http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/Agave16.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/AgavePlexusFinger20.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/AgaveWhatUp17.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/AgaveWhiteHat18.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/GlitchieHawtin14.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/MarcHouleOldDays26.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/Morning44.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/Morning45.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/NitzerChant10.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/SpeedyJLiebing10.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/SpeedyJLiebing17.AVI FOTOS !!! http://flickr.com/photos/dangerfellini/sets/ PaxaDEMF Movement 2006 http://jgphotoworks.com/otherdjs.html -- Original message -- From: Kent Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] I had a great time this year, actually, and feel like I was at a different festival than Tom Cox, even though I was hanging out with him half the time. I hope that Paxahau will take into account the criticism they got on the line-up, because it really should be more about Detroit music. At the same time, the music I saw was all great. Fred Giannelli, La Petit Orb, Szymanski, Jeremy Ellis, John Arnold, Tortured Soul, Dan Bell, Carl Craig, Starsky and Clutch, Deadbeat, Godfather, were all great musical experiences for me. Stacey Pullen, Mike Huckaby, and Harvey at Oslo were awesome as well. I wonder if there's some sort of dance music diet club going on. Huckaby is looking trimmer, and Boo Williams has dropped probably a hundred pounds! Boo was showing off his wife, and seemed as happy as I've ever seen him. Main criticism I had was NO FREE WATER. That was downright dangerous Monday. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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That better be a paid position because I can't pay the bills this month. telepathic love, ®ed -- Original message -- From: diana potts [EMAIL PROTECTED] netflix ala techno. thanks for the wonderful post! I vote Fred as head documentarian for every DEMF/Movement here out. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DETROIT MOVIES !!! http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/Agave16.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/AgavePlexusFinger20.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/AgaveWhatUp17.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/AgaveWhiteHat18.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/GlitchieHawtin14.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/MarcHouleOldDays26.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/Morning44.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/Morning45.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/NitzerChant10.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/SpeedyJLiebing10.AVI http://telepathica.com/danger.fellini/SpeedyJLiebing17.AVI FOTOS !!! http://flickr.com/photos/dangerfellini/sets/ PaxaDEMF Movement 2006 http://jgphotoworks.com/otherdjs.html -- Original message -- From: Kent Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] I had a great time this year, actually, and feel like I was at a different festival than Tom Cox, even though I was hanging out with him half the time. I hope that Paxahau will take into account the criticism they got on the line-up, because it really should be more about Detroit music. At the same time, the music I saw was all great. Fred Giannelli, La Petit Orb, Szymanski, Jeremy Ellis, John Arnold, Tortured Soul, Dan Bell, Carl Craig, Starsky and Clutch, Deadbeat, Godfather, were all great musical experiences for me. Stacey Pullen, Mike Huckaby, and Harvey at Oslo were awesome as well. I wonder if there's some sort of dance music diet club going on. Huckaby is looking trimmer, and Boo Williams has dropped probably a hundred pounds! Boo was showing off his wife, and seemed as happy as I've ever seen him. Main criticism I had was NO FREE WATER. That was downright dangerous Monday. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: (313) Detroit... how did it go?
On Jun 4, 2006, at 3:48 PM, Kent Williams wrote: Main criticism I had was NO FREE WATER. That was downright dangerous Monday. i can not count the parties i have been to where it was way hot and the promoters were handing out free water. i know paxahau was not running the water, it was an indie vender, but they should have had better communication with the city on the drinking fountains and bathrooms and the water there. bonaroo (for example) has plenty of free water and misters to keep you cool. usually it is not that hot for the demf, but you need to be prepared. this with the fact most bottles were not given out with caps so it gets spilled and you drink it way to fast. i dont know there exact reasons for no battle caps, i have herd the projectile excuse but it you bought the smart water it came with a cap, so that kinda blows that out of the water for me. i was also very upset about the bait and switch on the entrance fee, i really think $20 is to much for a festival that has been historically FREE, ecpacally for the second year of charging, which makes me perdict and entrance fee of $30-35 next year. and really how many people who are interested but not a big fan will dole out that kind of cash to come? imo not many, which for a music scene like ours makes the death even quicker. i was very happy with the fact every stage was on time with in five minutes and the lack of sound in the vender tent was really what the fest needed. the side sound tents have been a complaint of mine since the 2nd fest, with a couple of exception like the industrial stage and the d-luv stage i guess my main complaint is the price and the fact the it will constantly increase now to the point where i can not go all weekend because i'm freakin poor. and really do we need rich to close the fest two years in a row, those who know me know i'm a hudge richie fan. the later not being as big a deal as the first. scotto
RE: (313) Detroit... how did it go?
-Original Message- From: Alex Lugo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01 June 2006 21:46 To: dbooker; 'Tristan Watkins'; 'Thomas D. Cox, Jr.'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Detroit... how did it go? What do you mean. Their money is almost worth the same now. The good old days are gone.. :) Yeah, but even with Bush in the white house, you can always console yourself with the knowledge that you aren't Canadian. ;) Apologies to the Canadians. As an Anglo-American-Sorta-Anglo-again, I need someone else to pick on, and there are far too many antipodeans in London for me to get away with picking on them. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.7.2/349 - Release Date: 26/05/2006
Re: (313) Detroit... how did it go?
hi everyone [this was supposed to go out yesterday ] I applaud the crew of the Jason's [Huveare, Clark, Simon -- are there any more?] and Chuck Flask and the rest of the Paxahau crew for giving it a go. After going to all but one of the DEMFs, I am happy to say that I was at the fest -- for support of them and the music in general. I don't know if the programming [or diversity of it] worked for some of us, especially those of us playing at or hitting the numerous after parties [Carl Craig opening on Sunday? Adam Marshall from 2-3? I slept til 5 on Monday.] Considering Paxahau's history dating back to 1993 [1217, anyone?], we can't expect much else that speaks to this kind of lineup -- with Richie closing the night and half of Germany on the lineup. They brought some true gems and surprises to the weekend with The Orb and Nitzer Ebb [playing to a backup tape like they did when I last saw them in 1990, right?] Anyone in their position is going to be unbiased with their choices of artists + programming [much of it has to do with coordinating after parties around acts that will already be in town for the fest, which, of course, Paxahau has a vested interest in]. When it was in the hands of Derrick, Carl, or Kevin, it ended up echoing their musical tastes and preferences [albeit a bit wider in scope than this year's lineup]. We all have our wishlists of talent to be heard at the festival -- while some were amped to see Photek or the Orb on the lineup, others would have been excited see something more avant or no-wave in nature such as Tortoise or Liquid Liquid [nice ones]. Somewhat household name hip hop acts like the Roots, Slum Village, Mos Def, etc. always seem to bring together the factions of deep soul and sterile techno somehow when presented in the lineup [deny it or not, they have a lot do with one another than you might admit]. A main stage performance by someone of this size might have helped balance the sound, diversity, and attendance for this year. There were moments [Saturday night] where we would go from stage to stage searching for something OTHER than minimal techno [and I've been making the sh*t for years!]... sometimes you just have to let go I am happy to hear the Jason + the crew of Paxahau will be signing another contract for producing next year's fest. I hope that they do a little more digging in the local talent pool, and also expand their scope to include more aspects of electronic music [afro house, no wave, disco / electro house, etc... ] in the future. ps. nice meeting some of you there [Tom] and seeing you again [Minto, Fred H + G, etc.] next year! +odd -- Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: On 6/1/06, Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: True, but to attribute the emptyness at DEMF to a lack of foreign travel is a bit wrong me thinks. IIRC the demographics have never attributed more than 10% to foreign travellers in past years (unless you count the Canadians, who obviously don't count ;). i wasnt just implying that it was the people from europe/uk/australia/asia(i didnt see hardly any japanese cats, and i see lots of those guys every year!) but anyone from outside of the detroit area. it seems like paxahau has the detroit region's minimal techno scene on lock. those guys dont care about seeing detroit people, they want to see out of town deejays and artists. the people from out of town want to see detroit artists. POTD are on tour constantly, why drive to detroit to see them when you can just wait till they show up in your town? tom -- Todd Sines director + SCALE: http://www.scale.gs/ +1.646.330.4873 studio 195 Chrystie St. #403A, NY, NY 10002 // connecting the space between + within.
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***adam x was singing.*** I didn't know he sang!?!?! And now for the million dollar question (literally)! Any guesses about the likelyhood that the festival will continue next year? -Original Message- From: scotto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 4:58 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Detroit... how did it go? no, not really any, mostly minimal or house. but monday had a industrial feel on the main stage. adam x was singing. scotto On May 30, 2006, at 9:26 PM, DB wrote: So there was plenty of Dreciya/Aux88/UR/Electrofunk/Dopplereffekt style Electro then... right? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: not enough STADIUM TECHNO Yeah where are all you guys? We're feenin' for news. On 30/05/2006, at 9:22 PM, Anton Banks ((313)) wrote: Any word about how the festival did this year? Looking forward to the sets and photos...
Re: (313) Detroit... how did it go?
On 5/31/06, Anton Banks (313) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any guesses about the likelyhood that the festival will continue next year? my guess would be not with paxahau in command. attendance this year was MUCH thinner than in past years. i guess this goes to show, catering to trendy minimal cats and ravers isnt the way to break even. i think ive figured out why, and it was mainly by reports of the afterparties. what i think happened was that paxahau got full of themselves for throwing the banging/minimal techno parties every year that every white suburban detroit kid and some of the out of towners went to. they got that whole crowd every time. all the parties with the real detroit techno, house, and electro split all the rest of that crowd. this time, since much less of the crowd from the previous festivals were in attendance, the detroit music afterparties were relatively lighly populated while the minimal/whatever parties werent any crazier than years previous (though this is just from what i heard from others who went to the parties!). tom
Re: (313) Detroit... how did it go?
Actually, contrary to what Complainas D. Coxigrump here has to say, word over the weekend from the Paxahau camp was that the city has already agreed to give them next year's contract (at least verbally). I agree that attendance seemed light, but reports in the local media confirmed a higher attendance on Saturday than the previous year. I suppose we'll have to wait for the final numbers to see whether there was less overall. As for lower attendance at afterparties, you can't blame light attendance on Paxahau, that's simply ridiculous. There are so many other factors to consider: 1) Saturday night had an overwhelming number of events compared to other nights, spreading the crowd thin. 2) Many parties had much higher admission costs ($25+) and the lower cost events seemed to be fewer and far between this year. Factor in having to pay for the festival this year, I'm sure many had to budget accordingly and sacrfice some nightlife. 3)There have been several discussions on the list about the lack of new blood coming into this scene, at least compared to previous decades. Less new people means that serious festival attendees are probably the same ones that have been coming for the past seven years, meaning they're all seven years older. I don't know about you, but all day at the festival plus a 4-6 hour afterparty just isn't as easy it used to be. And that's just one day - three days in a row is nearly impossible. From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Detroit... how did it go? Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 22:03:54 -0400 On 5/31/06, Anton Banks (313) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any guesses about the likelyhood that the festival will continue next year? my guess would be not with paxahau in command. attendance this year was MUCH thinner than in past years. i guess this goes to show, catering to trendy minimal cats and ravers isnt the way to break even. i think ive figured out why, and it was mainly by reports of the afterparties. what i think happened was that paxahau got full of themselves for throwing the banging/minimal techno parties every year that every white suburban detroit kid and some of the out of towners went to. they got that whole crowd every time. all the parties with the real detroit techno, house, and electro split all the rest of that crowd. this time, since much less of the crowd from the previous festivals were in attendance, the detroit music afterparties were relatively lighly populated while the minimal/whatever parties werent any crazier than years previous (though this is just from what i heard from others who went to the parties!). tom
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On 5/31/06, Carissa Tintinalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, contrary to what Complainas D. Coxigrump here has to say, word over the weekend from the Paxahau camp was that the city has already agreed to give them next year's contract (at least verbally). what the city does with the contract is meaningless if paxahau lost massive amounts of money. which, judging by the general lack of people and expensive set ups (massive amounts of fencing and security people enforcing it, bigger sound, etc), points to exactly that. its possible that they budgeted for this many people (if they were really smart, they did) but i just doubt it. I agree that attendance seemed light, but reports in the local media confirmed a higher attendance on Saturday than the previous year. I suppose we'll have to wait for the final numbers to see whether there was less overall. attendance more than seemed light. every year before this one i can remember sitting near the main stage as the sun was going down completely amazed by the never ending rivers of people coming down into the bowl. this year, you could easily walk up the stairs with no problem. other stages were similar, there had to have been under 500 people at the pyramid stage monday night, compared with any other festival thats completely ludicrous. As for lower attendance at afterparties, you can't blame light attendance on Paxahau, that's simply ridiculous. There are so many other factors to consider: how is it ridiculous? they obviously shifted the demographic that the festival had previously catered to. it resulted in a different crowd who were out looking for different things that in previous years. and that was demonstrated at nearly every single event that anyone i know attended. obviously the 2000 people who attend their yearly after parties make up the vast majority of people who were coming out for that kind of music. i wouldnt be surprised to hear total attendance being down as much as 25% or more. if they try to say otherwise, im going to assume someone is lying. because the people just werent there. why would someone travel from england or germany to hear photek or planet of the drums? they wouldnt! so they didnt! simple! 1) Saturday night had an overwhelming number of events compared to other nights, spreading the crowd thin. what is overwhelming? i distinctly remember having far more to choose from on just about any night over the past 3 festivals than saturday this year. maybe you mean overwhelmingly bad parties, which i agree, there were many. 2) Many parties had much higher admission costs ($25+) and the lower cost events seemed to be fewer and far between this year. Factor in having to pay for the festival this year, I'm sure many had to budget accordingly and sacrfice some nightlife. people paid for the festival last year, and there were way more people from my experience and the experience of everyone i talk to. 3)There have been several discussions on the list about the lack of new blood coming into this scene, at least compared to previous decades. Less new people means that serious festival attendees are probably the same ones that have been coming for the past seven years, meaning they're all seven years older. I don't know about you, but all day at the festival plus a 4-6 hour afterparty just isn't as easy it used to be. And that's just one day - three days in a row is nearly impossible. wuss. i dont see why it seems so ludicrous to say that this year's festival proves that the real detroit music draws a better crowd. previous years included lineups with far less big name talent, far less promotion time, far less organization, pretty much any kind of disadvantage you can think of. and they all had way more people attending who were way more up for having a good time. i dont see how anyone who attended this year could say otherwise, unless theyre really into deluding themselves or their head is so far up paxahau's various orifaces that they cant tell whats going on anymore. i had a good time this year, but it was DESPITE the festival, not BECAUSE of it. there were long periods of time this year where i had to go hide from the music because everything on every stage was so awful i couldnt stand to hear it. that never happened to me before. and judging by how lightly attended the festival was especially during the early sets, alot of people seemed to feel the same way. tom
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Love him or hate him, I 100% agree with Tom's statements. All of them. I was in shock when I entered at the lack of people. I don't care what the numbers say. I've been there every year, as many as you have, and it was significantly emptier than any other year. Whatever the reason for this are inconsequential. The fact is that it was emptier. His deductions as to why this was aren't that farfetched. --- Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/31/06, Carissa Tintinalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, contrary to what Complainas D. Coxigrump here has to say, word over the weekend from the Paxahau camp was that the city has already agreed to give them next year's contract (at least verbally). what the city does with the contract is meaningless if paxahau lost massive amounts of money. which, judging by the general lack of people and expensive set ups (massive amounts of fencing and security people enforcing it, bigger sound, etc), points to exactly that. its possible that they budgeted for this many people (if they were really smart, they did) but i just doubt it. I agree that attendance seemed light, but reports in the local media confirmed a higher attendance on Saturday than the previous year. I suppose we'll have to wait for the final numbers to see whether there was less overall. attendance more than seemed light. every year before this one i can remember sitting near the main stage as the sun was going down completely amazed by the never ending rivers of people coming down into the bowl. this year, you could easily walk up the stairs with no problem. other stages were similar, there had to have been under 500 people at the pyramid stage monday night, compared with any other festival thats completely ludicrous. As for lower attendance at afterparties, you can't blame light attendance on Paxahau, that's simply ridiculous. There are so many other factors to consider: how is it ridiculous? they obviously shifted the demographic that the festival had previously catered to. it resulted in a different crowd who were out looking for different things that in previous years. and that was demonstrated at nearly every single event that anyone i know attended. obviously the 2000 people who attend their yearly after parties make up the vast majority of people who were coming out for that kind of music. i wouldnt be surprised to hear total attendance being down as much as 25% or more. if they try to say otherwise, im going to assume someone is lying. because the people just werent there. why would someone travel from england or germany to hear photek or planet of the drums? they wouldnt! so they didnt! simple! 1) Saturday night had an overwhelming number of events compared to other nights, spreading the crowd thin. what is overwhelming? i distinctly remember having far more to choose from on just about any night over the past 3 festivals than saturday this year. maybe you mean overwhelmingly bad parties, which i agree, there were many. 2) Many parties had much higher admission costs ($25+) and the lower cost events seemed to be fewer and far between this year. Factor in having to pay for the festival this year, I'm sure many had to budget accordingly and sacrfice some nightlife. people paid for the festival last year, and there were way more people from my experience and the experience of everyone i talk to. 3)There have been several discussions on the list about the lack of new blood coming into this scene, at least compared to previous decades. Less new people means that serious festival attendees are probably the same ones that have been coming for the past seven years, meaning they're all seven years older. I don't know about you, but all day at the festival plus a 4-6 hour afterparty just isn't as easy it used to be. And that's just one day - three days in a row is nearly impossible. wuss. i dont see why it seems so ludicrous to say that this year's festival proves that the real detroit music draws a better crowd. previous years included lineups with far less big name talent, far less promotion time, far less organization, pretty much any kind of disadvantage you can think of. and they all had way more people attending who were way more up for having a good time. i dont see how anyone who attended this year could say otherwise, unless theyre really into deluding themselves or their head is so far up paxahau's various orifaces that they cant tell whats going on anymore. i had a good time this year, but it was DESPITE the festival, not BECAUSE of it. there were long periods of time this year where i had to go hide from the music because everything on every stage was so awful i couldnt stand to hear it. that never happened to me before. and judging by how lightly attended the festival was especially during the early sets,
Re: (313) Detroit... how did it go?
I agree that attendance seemed light, but reports in the local media confirmed a higher attendance on Saturday than the previous year. I suppose we'll have to wait for the final numbers to see whether there was less overall. attendance more than seemed light. every year before this one i can remember sitting near the main stage as the sun was going down completely amazed by the never ending rivers of people coming down into the bowl. this year, you could easily walk up the stairs with no problem. other stages were similar, there had to have been under 500 people at the pyramid stage monday night, compared with any other festival thats completely ludicrous. Yeah, I think there were about a third as many people Monday night at the main stage as there were the year before with UR and Mos Def. It felt like the life had been sucked out of the main stage. On the other hand it was nice to have room to breathe and it didn't take 20 minutes to get from one stage to another. The Freep today said that Pax expected to break even--but I also don't know how that could have happened unless Jesus was counting the money. I totally disagree about the lack of cheap afterparties. There were alot of afterparties for $5 bucks. Saw Ayro-Arnold for $5. Saw Shake for $5. Saw Dez and Malik Alston for $5. I didn't go to any minimal parties tho. Did anyone go to that party at the Top of the Ponch w/ Scan 7? Interested to hear about that one. What about the one in the book building w/ Neil Landstrum? What about Juan's party on Gratiot and Bellevue and the C2/Derrick May/Kenny Larkin party at St. Andrews? Anyone catch these? Scott Ellis
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i have heard from a very reliable source that Paxahau didn't loose any money on this years festival. AFAIK that would be a first for this festival... KJ On 1-jun-2006, at 4:03, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: On 5/31/06, Anton Banks (313) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any guesses about the likelyhood that the festival will continue next year? my guess would be not with paxahau in command. attendance this year was MUCH thinner than in past years. i guess this goes to show, catering to trendy minimal cats and ravers isnt the way to break even. i think ive figured out why, and it was mainly by reports of the afterparties. what i think happened was that paxahau got full of themselves for throwing the banging/minimal techno parties every year that every white suburban detroit kid and some of the out of towners went to. they got that whole crowd every time. all the parties with the real detroit techno, house, and electro split all the rest of that crowd. this time, since much less of the crowd from the previous festivals were in attendance, the detroit music afterparties were relatively lighly populated while the minimal/whatever parties werent any crazier than years previous (though this is just from what i heard from others who went to the parties!). tom
Re: (313) Detroit... how did it go?
- Original Message - From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 4:57 AM Subject: Re: (313) Detroit... how did it go? why would someone travel from england or germany to hear photek or planet of the drums? they wouldnt! so they didnt! simple! True, but to attribute the emptyness at DEMF to a lack of foreign travel is a bit wrong me thinks. IIRC the demographics have never attributed more than 10% to foreign travellers in past years (unless you count the Canadians, who obviously don't count ;). Sad to hear it was so empty though! Tristan === [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phonopsia.co.uk
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. why would someone travel from england or germany to hear photek or planet of the drums? they wouldnt! so they didnt! simple! I'm certainly in this boat being from the UK. The problem has been there in previous years too (the announcement needs to be earlier so we can make plans for flights etc). This years festival just wasn't as appealing as previous years to me and others with a love for detroit music imo. I'm not saying that the Euro contingent make up huge numbers but i think having Europeans in attendance is going to add to the buzz of the event. Maybe if Paxahau do take on next year they can involve more of the musics from Detroit (electro, beatdown house...that kind of thing) and get that announcement up in time for people to make plans. I mean it's not impossible right. I'd love to come to Detroit again. Here's hoping robin...
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We count them, just not at par djB -Original Message- From: Tristan Watkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 4:34 AM To: Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Detroit... how did it go? - Original Message - From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 4:57 AM Subject: Re: (313) Detroit... how did it go? why would someone travel from england or germany to hear photek or planet of the drums? they wouldnt! so they didnt! simple! True, but to attribute the emptyness at DEMF to a lack of foreign travel is a bit wrong me thinks. IIRC the demographics have never attributed more than 10% to foreign travellers in past years (unless you count the Canadians, who obviously don't count ;). Sad to hear it was so empty though! Tristan === [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phonopsia.co.uk
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What do you mean. Their money is almost worth the same now. The good old days are gone.. :) --- dbooker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We count them, just not at par djB -Original Message- From: Tristan Watkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 4:34 AM To: Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Detroit... how did it go? - Original Message - From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 4:57 AM Subject: Re: (313) Detroit... how did it go? why would someone travel from england or germany to hear photek or planet of the drums? they wouldnt! so they didnt! simple! True, but to attribute the emptyness at DEMF to a lack of foreign travel is a bit wrong me thinks. IIRC the demographics have never attributed more than 10% to foreign travellers in past years (unless you count the Canadians, who obviously don't count ;). Sad to hear it was so empty though! Tristan === [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phonopsia.co.uk __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Yeah where are all you guys? We're feenin' for news. On 30/05/2006, at 9:22 PM, Anton Banks ((313)) wrote: Any word about how the festival did this year? Looking forward to the sets and photos...
Re: (313) Detroit... how did it go?
not enough STADIUM TECHNO Yeah where are all you guys? We're feenin' for news. On 30/05/2006, at 9:22 PM, Anton Banks ((313)) wrote: Any word about how the festival did this year? Looking forward to the sets and photos...
Re: (313) Detroit... how did it go?
So there was plenty of Dreciya/Aux88/UR/Electrofunk/Dopplereffekt style Electro then... right? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: not enough STADIUM TECHNO Yeah where are all you guys? We're feenin' for news. On 30/05/2006, at 9:22 PM, Anton Banks ((313)) wrote: Any word about how the festival did this year? Looking forward to the sets and photos...
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coming from baltimore it was really refreshing to hear real detroit techno. Robert Hood blew my mind as well as Jeremy Ellis with his live MPC drumming (who i saw three times this weekend). i am inspired...all in all an amazing weekend! Jeremy w. ` house mix: http://www.box.net/public/h22hbcbyg5 CC: 313@hyperreal.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 01:01:28 +1000 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) Detroit... how did it go? Yeah where are all you guys? We're feenin' for news. On 30/05/2006, at 9:22 PM, Anton Banks ((313)) wrote: Any word about how the festival did this year? Looking forward to the sets and photos... _ Join the next generation of Hotmail and you could win the adventure of a lifetime http://www.imagine-msn.com/minisites/sweepstakes/mail/register.aspx
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no, not really any, mostly minimal or house. but monday had a industrial feel on the main stage. adam x was singing. scotto On May 30, 2006, at 9:26 PM, DB wrote: So there was plenty of Dreciya/Aux88/UR/Electrofunk/Dopplereffekt style Electro then... right? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: not enough STADIUM TECHNO Yeah where are all you guys? We're feenin' for news. On 30/05/2006, at 9:22 PM, Anton Banks ((313)) wrote: Any word about how the festival did this year? Looking forward to the sets and photos...
(313) Detroit... how did it go?
Any word about how the festival did this year? Looking forward to the sets and photos...
RE: (313) Detroit... how did it go?
HA! I guess it went really well since everyone seems to still be recovering! -Original Message- From: Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 11:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 Subject: Re: (313) Detroit... how did it go? Yeah where are all you guys? We're feenin' for news. On 30/05/2006, at 9:22 PM, Anton Banks ((313)) wrote: Any word about how the festival did this year? Looking forward to the sets and photos...
