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Haha you wound me to the core - I actually read the Guardian from time to time. You know I honestly don´t care if the Untrue album is ultimately awesome on some absolute scale of musical awesomeness. It sounded really good to me when I was wandering around downtown berlin at 3 AM the other night. Though nothing beats walking down in the holocaust memorial with deepchord ´the coldest season´ playing ... On Nov 9, 2007 1:22 PM, Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's middle-class Guardian-reading electronic music - it'll go on the shelf with all those Zero 7 and Massive Attack CDs
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Hmm. I don't think anyone has actually said it's new! -Original Message- From: fab. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 November 2007 07:55 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think yeah, i can't belive this album is getting championed as new musicfor me there is nothing fresh and innovative in this album nor dubstep in general. what's new about slowed down ukgarage with muted sound effects and samples of rainfall? sounds like moody garage for heartbroken croydon chavs to me. it's even got the helium vocals for crying out loud! i found it very boring and flat. and dubstep just sounds like the dnb-ish trip hop that used to come out on austrian compilations back in the early nineties - and there is nothing new about that. i bet this dubstep thing will be off the radar in 18 months, just like what happened to the ex-new thing, broken beats. new music is out there ppl but most of you disdain it.. f. - Original Message - From: Emile Facey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED]; list 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 2:14 PM Subject: Re: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think There's nothing like Burial to divide a group, people seem to absolutely love it or just don' get it at all. Personally I'm with Martin all the way here, give me some Scorn any day, Mick Harris has been doing it since '91. On 8 Nov 2007, at 11:51, Martin Dust wrote: On 8 Nov 2007, at 11:24, Odeluga, Ken wrote: But what about the 'garagey' trimmings of the latest Burial offering then ...? Not feeling it at all Ken and it's not getting much play in the studio at all, to my ears, it just sounds really old and a step backwards into a sound that Dubstep was trying to move away from but it seems to have fallen into a trap of it's own making. I much prefer Scorn over Burial... m
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On Nov 9, 2007, at 3:02, Odeluga, Ken wrote: Hmm. I don't think anyone has actually said it's new! Not like, the subject line of the thread or anything ;)
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Ah. Well I took that to mean as in 'newly released' rather than a 'new paradigm' or anything like that. I could be wrong, but from the feel I get from Kent's original post, I think he was trying to allude that his topic was a diversion from the last cantankerous fight we had on here ... -Original Message- From: Matthew Kane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 November 2007 08:24 To: Odeluga, Ken Cc: fab.; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think On Nov 9, 2007, at 3:02, Odeluga, Ken wrote: Hmm. I don't think anyone has actually said it's new! Not like, the subject line of the thread or anything ;)
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On 9 Nov 2007, at 07:54, fab. wrote: sounds like moody garage for heartbroken croydon chavs to me. If the kids around here were listening to anything as cool as Burial I'd be very happy, it's mostly really bad chart RB.
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- Original Message - From: Emile Facey To: fab. Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 9:40 AM Subject: Re: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think On 9 Nov 2007, at 07:54, fab. wrote: sounds like moody garage for heartbroken croydon chavs to me. If the kids around here were listening to anything as cool as Burial I'd be very happy, it's mostly really bad chart RB. Or bad drum n' bass or bad shouty hip hop. Hideous 109 speaker phone vibes. Tristan === [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phonopsia.co.uk
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It's middle-class Guardian-reading electronic music - it'll go on the shelf with all those Zero 7 and Massive Attack CDs Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Emile Facey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 November 2007 16:32 To: kent williams Cc: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think I think you're being a bit hard on yourself here Kent, Burial is just as popular with dubstep/garage heads here as it is with people who don't follow the scene from what I can tell, as Toby pointed out the album helped Burial cross over. On 8 Nov 2007, at 15:57, kent williams wrote: Interesting to watch a discussion like this blow up. I see everyone's points in the whole matter. I think I would react differently if I'd grown up in the UK and heard more of the good and the bad, and been exposed to the culture surrounding various genres, I'd hear the music differently. The context in the US is different. Unless you spend a lot of time watching the UK scene, you only hear what bubbles to the top of the pile. What I find interesting is how many Indie rock types in the US picked up on Burial. Probably looks like poor misguided Yanks getting it wrong again to people in the UK. OTOH to us, it looks like you drive on the wrong side of the road and add an extra syllable to aluminum to sound posh. # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
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Is it a big shelf you have there Rob? It's middle-class Guardian-reading electronic music - it'll go on the shelf with all those Zero 7 and Massive Attack CDs Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Emile Facey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 November 2007 16:32 To: kent williams Cc: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think I think you're being a bit hard on yourself here Kent, Burial is just as popular with dubstep/garage heads here as it is with people who don't follow the scene from what I can tell, as Toby pointed out the album helped Burial cross over. On 8 Nov 2007, at 15:57, kent williams wrote: Interesting to watch a discussion like this blow up. I see everyone's points in the whole matter. I think I would react differently if I'd grown up in the UK and heard more of the good and the bad, and been exposed to the culture surrounding various genres, I'd hear the music differently. The context in the US is different. Unless you spend a lot of time watching the UK scene, you only hear what bubbles to the top of the pile. What I find interesting is how many Indie rock types in the US picked up on Burial. Probably looks like poor misguided Yanks getting it wrong again to people in the UK. OTOH to us, it looks like you drive on the wrong side of the road and add an extra syllable to aluminum to sound posh. # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
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It's not my shelf! Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: pauley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 November 2007 12:29 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think Is it a big shelf you have there Rob? It's middle-class Guardian-reading electronic music - it'll go on the shelf with all those Zero 7 and Massive Attack CDs Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Emile Facey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 November 2007 16:32 To: kent williams Cc: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think I think you're being a bit hard on yourself here Kent, Burial is just as popular with dubstep/garage heads here as it is with people who don't follow the scene from what I can tell, as Toby pointed out the album helped Burial cross over. On 8 Nov 2007, at 15:57, kent williams wrote: Interesting to watch a discussion like this blow up. I see everyone's points in the whole matter. I think I would react differently if I'd grown up in the UK and heard more of the good and the bad, and been exposed to the culture surrounding various genres, I'd hear the music differently. The context in the US is different. Unless you spend a lot of time watching the UK scene, you only hear what bubbles to the top of the pile. What I find interesting is how many Indie rock types in the US picked up on Burial. Probably looks like poor misguided Yanks getting it wrong again to people in the UK. OTOH to us, it looks like you drive on the wrong side of the road and add an extra syllable to aluminum to sound posh. ## ### Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 ## ### # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
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- Original Message - From: Robert Taylor To: Odeluga, Ken ; Nick Breinich ; list 313 Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 12:20 PM Subject: RE: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think I'm not that down with Burial either - it's OK - nothing offensive - I just don't see what the fuss about it is - it's not really dubstep either, it's coffeestep - it's not 'hard' enough for me - I prefer the bumrattling basslines of DMZ releases myself I really liked the first album but based on a few listens to the clips last night I decided I didn't really need the second one that badly. I'll still probably buy it, because there were a few tracks that sounded pretty sweet to me, but it just didn't feel terribly essential next to the first album. Tristan === [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phonopsia.co.uk
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I'm not that down with Burial either - it's OK - nothing offensive - I just don't see what the fuss about it is - it's not really dubstep either, it's coffeestep - it's not 'hard' enough for me - I prefer the bumrattling basslines of DMZ releases myself Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 November 2007 15:27 To: Nick Breinich; list 313 Subject: RE: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think Dunno what camp I'm digging, but I like the Rustie record, and Loefah and mrk1 stuff for e.g. I don't see any consistency with the above and the new Burial, underlining (as if it's necessary, we all know this) how subjective our choices are, I think ... Especially as some people say it isn't a progression from the last Burial LP which I really couldn't get along with, but many loved. Go figure. Or maybe just like what you like and don't worry about it. -Original Message- From: Nick Breinich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 November 2007 15:10 To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think this has been my impression of the new record. it's the same thing for 45 minutes that I bought before. a few bright moments spoiled by the re-use of most of the sounds from the last record and the re-use of an entire idea. i was definitely hoping for a little more progression in his style. personally it's just a little boring to me. i'm also in the darker/heavier camp. anstam, combat recordings, scorn, vex'd etc. that's what i'm diggin way more than the garage leaning tracks i've heard. just my personal inclination. On Nov 8, 2007 9:40 AM, Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...than the stuff on Untrue, with basically is one idea for 45+ minutes # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
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On 9 Nov 2007, at 12:22, Robert Taylor wrote: It's middle-class Guardian-reading electronic music - it'll go on the shelf with all those Zero 7 and Massive Attack CDs Nice drop kick Rob :) We'll it is Friday I guess... m
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On Nov 8, 2007 10:09 AM, Nick Breinich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this has been my impression of the new record. it's the same thing for 45 minutes that I bought before. a few bright moments spoiled by the re-use of most of the sounds from the last record and the re-use of an entire idea. i was definitely hoping for a little more progression in his style. personally it's just a little boring to me. ?!?! its so completely different from the last album. i just dont know what to say about that, really. i'm also in the darker/heavier camp. anstam, combat recordings, scorn, vex'd etc. that's what i'm diggin way more than the garage leaning tracks i've heard. just my personal inclination. see, dark and heavy dont mean anything to me. i have so much dark and heavy music, i just dont need any more. in fact, i am of the opinion that dark and heavy music is exactly the easiest thing for people to make since it outnumbers more soulful and emotional sounding music 100 to 1. On Nov 8, 2007 10:18 AM, Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nah, at the very beginning, dubstep was just 2-step minus the vocals and adding on a bunch of echo and more dubwise bass. it was only after it got attacked by the garage outsiders that it became what it is now. in fact, i think im gonna have to do a mix of those old records, theyre still so good and entertaining and many of them would fit in just fine with broken beats, Recloose, Carl Craig, etc. at least thats what i used to mix them up with! That's not strictly true but I can't be arsed to map the early days of Dubstep out again :) i think youre going to have to do it man, since i was buying the records in 00-02 when the name was first being used. any timeline that includes anything outside of 2-step in its lineage is incorrect, and is likely on some revisionist history business. I've just played them both of these back to back and Black Secret sounds more modern than the stuff on Untrue, with basically is one idea for 45+ minutes, BST kicks its sorry ass if you ask me. but man, comparing the two straight up is just not what its all about! I think it's a fair call, one's ground break and one isn't. so only groundbreaking music is worth listening to? how does that make any sense? i mean, you know i love that mark archer record, but what is groundbreaking about it? absolutely nothing! its just good sh*t. Tom some of those sample have been used so much their udders are bleeding, even the stuff he's lifted from the More Rockers Crew has been done to death. and the 808 and 909 have been used 100 million times more than any sample from anything. does it make them less effective? 1000 bad uses of a sample dont make one good one any less good. It's defo not the fault of anyone, he's made an album and he loves it and stands by it, nothing more you can ask and if he's like me he won't give a flying crap what anyone else says and that's the way it should be. I'm just trying to avoid doing an edit job :) haha. On Nov 8, 2007 11:02 AM, Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Burial got a lot of exposure because he produced an album. Individual tracks on EPs here and there by artists already mentioned will never get the same amount of impact, especially on places like Pitchfork or even the Wire which still get excited by the old format. making entire albums of good material that flow and work well together is always more interesting to me than EPs or 12s, mainly because they are so infrequent. why is it an old format? technically, EPs and singles are far older! a good album has much more space for someone to work with. most people can't do it very well, especially in dance music. Burial has done it twice in the space of one year. that is nearly incredible. On Nov 9, 2007 2:54 AM, fab. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what's new about slowed down ukgarage with muted sound effects and samples of rainfall? sounds like moody garage for heartbroken croydon chavs to me. it's even got the helium vocals for crying out loud! i found it very boring and flat. nothing new about it, just something very excellent about it. good music is always new! and flat and boring? thats exactly the opposite of what i would say about this album in particular. i mean, i just cant see how someone puts that album on and that is the conclusion they come to. i can think of any number of criticisms that might make some sense, but those arent it. i bet this dubstep thing will be off the radar in 18 months, just like what happened to the ex-new thing, broken beats. broken beats existed before there was a scene for it, and it still exists to this day. just because *you* arent paying attention to it doesnt mean it doesnt exist. dubstep is 7 years old. it may have sucked for more of that than it was good, but so what? new music is out there ppl but most of you disdain it.. such as? i only disdain crappy music. On Nov 9, 2007 7:20 AM, Robert Taylor
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That's not strictly true but I can't be arsed to map the early days of Dubstep out again :) i think youre going to have to do it man, since i was buying the records in 00-02 when the name was first being used. any timeline that includes anything outside of 2-step in its lineage is incorrect, and is likely on some revisionist history business. There's a early Radio 1 interview kicking around that does a good job, if you don't have it I'll dig it you up. I've just played them both of these back to back and Black Secret sounds more modern than the stuff on Untrue, with basically is one idea for 45+ minutes, BST kicks its sorry ass if you ask me. but man, comparing the two straight up is just not what its all about! I think it's a fair call, one's ground break and one isn't. so only groundbreaking music is worth listening to? how does that make any sense? i mean, you know i love that mark archer record, but what is groundbreaking about it? absolutely nothing! its just good sh*t. Not what I was inferring and I'd agree not every record is nor needs to ground breaking, I was reflecting back on K's comment and I stand by that statement tho, one changed the way people think/work, the other just smells of Pledge™ Tom some of those sample have been used so much their udders are bleeding, even the stuff he's lifted from the More Rockers Crew has been done to death. and the 808 and 909 have been used 100 million times more than any sample from anything. does it make them less effective? 1000 bad uses of a sample dont make one good one any less good. Out of context, but the sample use is just corn ball to me, all it was missing was dolphins and whale song ;) It's defo not the fault of anyone, he's made an album and he loves it and stands by it, nothing more you can ask and if he's like me he won't give a flying crap what anyone else says and that's the way it should be. I'm just trying to avoid doing an edit job :) haha. And for my punishment the job was Aly and AJ, from the Disney Channel - if you wanna hear some dark sh1t, you should try it for 8hrs :) m
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Nice enough, but too garridgy for my taste. From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:03:47 + To: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Emile Facey [EMAIL PROTECTED], kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED], list 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think On 9 Nov 2007, at 12:22, Robert Taylor wrote: It's middle-class Guardian-reading electronic music - it'll go on the shelf with all those Zero 7 and Massive Attack CDs Nice drop kick Rob :) We'll it is Friday I guess... m
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OK, I think we've beaten this horse so much it's protruding out of the other side of the earth now, so I'm out the door. ... Taking The Wire with me: MM and Sonny Simons ... Educational. Wishing you a *cool* weekend folks. Ken -Original Message- From: Alan Heneghan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 November 2007 15:46 To: Martin Dust; Robert Taylor Cc: Emile Facey; kent williams; list 313 Subject: Re: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think Nice enough, but too garridgy for my taste. From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:03:47 + To: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Emile Facey [EMAIL PROTECTED], kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED], list 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think On 9 Nov 2007, at 12:22, Robert Taylor wrote: It's middle-class Guardian-reading electronic music - it'll go on the shelf with all those Zero 7 and Massive Attack CDs Nice drop kick Rob :) We'll it is Friday I guess... m
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On Nov 9, 2007, at 10:47 AM, Martin Dust wrote: And for my punishment the job was Aly and AJ, from the Disney Channel - if you wanna hear some dark sh1t, you should try it for 8hrs :) Free Association Theatre: One night I was driving home from work and scanning the AM station for random stuff. I hit Radio Disney and they were using Front 242 (Junkdrome or Crapage, I think) for a music bumper. -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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fab. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/09/2007 01:54:43 AM: dnb-ish trip hop that used to come out on austrian compilations back in the early nineties hmm, that sounds good actually - any suggestions? i bet this dubstep thing will be off the radar in 18 months, just like what happened to the ex-new thing, broken beats. speak for yourself mate - I'm still digging the broken beats HOWEVER, broken beats never was a genre - was never intended to be a genre broken beats was how you played it - techno, jazz, house, drum bass, funk/RB, Afro/Latin, dubstep, etc. it's all in the mix some people just got it mixed up and thought broken beat was a genre it's not and never is if you're doing it right funny how the dance music press (that we all disdain) spits out hype and bullsh!t and no matter how much you try to ignore it, it still filters down infiltrating how and what we think MEK
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On Nov 9, 2007, at 10:57 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hmm, that sounds good actually - any suggestions? Kruder and Dorfmeister - The KD Sessions. -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I've just played them both of these back to back and Black Secret sounds more modern than the stuff on Untrue, with basically is one idea for 45+ minutes, BST kicks its sorry ass if you ask me. but man, comparing the two straight up is just not what its all about! I think it's a fair call, one's ground break and one isn't. so only groundbreaking music is worth listening to? how does that make any sense? i mean, you know i love that mark archer record, but what is groundbreaking about it? absolutely nothing! its just good sh*t. you want ground breaking? you know it's ground breaking when you struggle to find another track to follow it and sound as good ran into that last night while putting together some records Al Green Full of Fire - just couldn't find another track that stood up against it 1976 blam! MEK
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oh that sort of thing? I thought we were talking about some weirder pitched down db experiment that lived a short life. MEK Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/09/2007 10:11:02 AM: On Nov 9, 2007, at 10:57 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hmm, that sounds good actually - any suggestions? Kruder and Dorfmeister - The KD Sessions. -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I once got asked for 'bass and drum' by an American customer when I worked in a record shop - I played him a No U-Turn comp and he didn't like it cos it was too hard, so I then played him Roni Size's New Forms. That was too hard also, so I tried a Good Looking comp. Even that was too hard!He eventually went away with The K D Sessions, still convinced that he'd bought some drum n bass, despite my protestations Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 November 2007 16:18 To: Matt Kane's Brain Cc: 313@hyperreal.org; fab. Subject: Re: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think oh that sort of thing? I thought we were talking about some weirder pitched down db experiment that lived a short life. MEK Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/09/2007 10:11:02 AM: On Nov 9, 2007, at 10:57 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hmm, that sounds good actually - any suggestions? Kruder and Dorfmeister - The KD Sessions. -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk [EMAIL PROTECTED] # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
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On Nov 9, 2007 11:14 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you want ground breaking? you know it's ground breaking when you struggle to find another track to follow it and sound as good ran into that last night while putting together some records Al Green Full of Fire - just couldn't find another track that stood up against it 1976 blam! that sh*t is ridiculous, i have it packed for my gig tonight already! tom
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HOWEVER, broken beats never was a genre - was never intended to be a genre broken beats was how you played it - Y'know that's how I've always viewed detroit when used as a genre ie. it isn't, it's more an approach/attitude: house, disco, italo, detroit techno, electro etc etc Sorry to bring this back on topic :) robin...
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I like the sound of the clips, the garagey element to it appeals to my ears funnily enough. Some of the vibe and approach reminds me just a little of SAW-era Aphex Twin. Perfect winter iPod music from what I can tell. robin... On 8 Nov 2007, at 09:00, Mann, Ravinder wrote: I agree with the garagey comment as it carries a beat I never got into, it took a leap of faith and a few listens. Not too keen on the title track tho. Dog Shelter is surely a lost Detroit Esc Co track.
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On 8 Nov 2007, at 11:24, Odeluga, Ken wrote: But what about the 'garagey' trimmings of the latest Burial offering then ...? Not feeling it at all Ken and it's not getting much play in the studio at all, to my ears, it just sounds really old and a step backwards into a sound that Dubstep was trying to move away from but it seems to have fallen into a trap of it's own making. I much prefer Scorn over Burial... m
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But what about the 'garagey' trimmings of the latest Burial offering then ...? -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 November 2007 11:26 To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think I just can't get down with the garage sound at all, it means something complete different in this grey city (on-top night clubs, shootings, gang fights and chavs on buses playing that bassline on their phones) but people seem to be digging it - good luck I say :) m On 8 Nov 2007, at 09:43, robin wrote: I like the sound of the clips, the garagey element to it appeals to my ears funnily enough. Some of the vibe and approach reminds me just a little of SAW-era Aphex Twin. Perfect winter iPod music from what I can tell. robin... On 8 Nov 2007, at 09:00, Mann, Ravinder wrote: I agree with the garagey comment as it carries a beat I never got into, it took a leap of faith and a few listens. Not too keen on the title track tho. Dog Shelter is surely a lost Detroit Esc Co track.
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I just can't get down with the garage sound at all, it means something complete different in this grey city (on-top night clubs, shootings, gang fights and chavs on buses playing that bassline on their phones) but people seem to be digging it - good luck I say :) m On 8 Nov 2007, at 09:43, robin wrote: I like the sound of the clips, the garagey element to it appeals to my ears funnily enough. Some of the vibe and approach reminds me just a little of SAW-era Aphex Twin. Perfect winter iPod music from what I can tell. robin... On 8 Nov 2007, at 09:00, Mann, Ravinder wrote: I agree with the garagey comment as it carries a beat I never got into, it took a leap of faith and a few listens. Not too keen on the title track tho. Dog Shelter is surely a lost Detroit Esc Co track.
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I agree with the garagey comment as it carries a beat I never got into, it took a leap of faith and a few listens. Not too keen on the title track tho. Dog Shelter is surely a lost Detroit Esc Co track. Rav. -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 November 2007 18:18 To: Mann, Ravinder Cc: kent williams; list 313 Subject: Re: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think On 7 Nov 2007, at 16:28, Mann, Ravinder wrote: Really feeling this, its something new and some old at the same time, in the same way Black Secret Technology was. The vocals took a bit of getting used but now they seem to form part of the soundscape as opposed to being words to listen too. Too garagey for my taste m To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://disclaimer.leedsmet.ac.uk/email.htm
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Maybe because I only bought it from bleep.com ... I'm sure it has more presence in the full form. Still, I find the stuff which grabs me even when I've only heard the mp3s is *bound* to grab me in the un-data-compressed format also And what do you know, the mp3s of the latest stuff is already switching on some synapses for me! Kind of puzzled how I'm supposed to get to the personal insults from here. I guess I must just be rubbish! ;-) Ken -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 November 2007 17:47 To: Odeluga, Ken Cc: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think I never got into the first Burial as much as I am into this. Though I'll go back and check it again. It just seemed colder without as much texture and feeling. On Nov 7, 2007 10:14 AM, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indeed, something 'OT' which is quite *on* T and very welcome. I felt the same about the first Burial but I will check this now. Thanks! Ken
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On Nov 8, 2007 4:00 AM, Mann, Ravinder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with the garagey comment as it carries a beat I never got into, it took a leap of faith and a few listens. Not too keen on the title track tho. man, the title track and raver are *the* jams on this one, IMO! total killers. tom
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There's nothing like Burial to divide a group, people seem to absolutely love it or just don' get it at all. Personally I'm with Martin all the way here, give me some Scorn any day, Mick Harris has been doing it since '91. On 8 Nov 2007, at 11:51, Martin Dust wrote: On 8 Nov 2007, at 11:24, Odeluga, Ken wrote: But what about the 'garagey' trimmings of the latest Burial offering then ...? Not feeling it at all Ken and it's not getting much play in the studio at all, to my ears, it just sounds really old and a step backwards into a sound that Dubstep was trying to move away from but it seems to have fallen into a trap of it's own making. I much prefer Scorn over Burial... m
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On Nov 8, 2007 8:14 AM, Emile Facey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's nothing like Burial to divide a group, people seem to absolutely love it or just don' get it at all. Personally I'm with Martin all the way here, give me some Scorn any day, Mick Harris has been doing it since '91. but there is nothing garage about that, which is of course one of the best things about Burial. the music is almost not comparable. of course, i feel that way about dubstep in general, it lost its 2-step roots and thats when it got boring. tom
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On Nov 8, 2007 8:49 AM, Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Burial new album stinks to it's very roots of garage Tom, it's positively dripping with it. which is why i like it! and why i think its great that suddenly all those garage records on my shelf are now cool when they werent just a few years ago. sh*t cracks me up. The whole point of Dubstep at the start was to throw out the rules but it's quickly become the worst parts of DnB and garage - I don't think it's sunk yet but the dog needs to learn more that one trick. nah, at the very beginning, dubstep was just 2-step minus the vocals and adding on a bunch of echo and more dubwise bass. it was only after it got attacked by the garage outsiders that it became what it is now. in fact, i think im gonna have to do a mix of those old records, theyre still so good and entertaining and many of them would fit in just fine with broken beats, Recloose, Carl Craig, etc. at least thats what i used to mix them up with! I've just played them both of these back to back and Black Secret sounds more modern than the stuff on Untrue, with basically is one idea for 45+ minutes, BST kicks its sorry ass if you ask me. but man, comparing the two straight up is just not what its all about! The break used throughout Untrue bores me to death, record static and Bladerunner samples just make it even more of a cliche. On tracks like Archangel I'm just waiting for Craig David to burst in and tell me what he's been up to this week. a cliche? thats wild, Burial is exactly not a cliche IMO. all the other dubstep stuff IS though! It's like a bad version of Timeless by Goldie, it never gets going for me and it even sound to broke to be a good monger same with that album. with BST and Timeless you are talking about music that is very 1995. sure, they are both timelessly great albums, but their perspective is not burial's. burial's perspective is more like mine, he loved that stuff, then watched it die. then he got into 2-step and loved that, and watched it die, too. if anything, his name is so powerful because it reflects the deaths of those great musics (and another aside, when the long running Steel City Jungle club night [the first all jungle club night in the US IIRC] ended, my friends and i threw a huge all jungle party called The Burial, named of course after the classic 94 joint by Leviticus). Not for me I guess. that sums it up more than any fault in the music, IMO! if anything, when the first Burial album blew up, i was bewildered at why so many people who didnt like 2-step or old school jungle were feeling it. now i guess it is obvious that he just touches something in people, and now people seem to be getting into more of that stuff that they might have overlooked at the time. which is superawesome since there is so much good music in those two genres. tom
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I agree with this, totally more my kind of thing. alot heavier and darker. dubstepwise i'm feeling the heavier, darker stuff - Appleblim, Gatekeeper, Shackleton, scanone, blackmass plastic, anstam, stormfield etc -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:51:12 + Subject: Re: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think On 8 Nov 2007, at 11:24, Odeluga, Ken wrote: But what about the 'garagey' trimmings of the latest Burial offering then ...? Not feeling it at all Ken and it's not getting much play in the studio at all, to my ears, it just sounds really old and a step backwards into a sound that Dubstep was trying to move away from but it seems to have fallen into a trap of it's own making. I much prefer Scorn over Burial... m --- AV Spam Filtering by M+Guardian - Risk Free Email (TM) ---
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On 8 Nov 2007, at 13:27, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: On Nov 8, 2007 8:14 AM, Emile Facey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's nothing like Burial to divide a group, people seem to absolutely love it or just don' get it at all. Personally I'm with Martin all the way here, give me some Scorn any day, Mick Harris has been doing it since '91. but there is nothing garage about that, which is of course one of the best things about Burial. the music is almost not comparable. of course, i feel that way about dubstep in general, it lost its 2-step roots and thats when it got boring. I don't really care enough to get divided by it but the spin is more interesting than the music, it's so well aimed I wish I'd thought of it :) The Burial new album stinks to it's very roots of garage Tom, it's positively dripping with it. The whole point of Dubstep at the start was to throw out the rules but it's quickly become the worst parts of DnB and garage - I don't think it's sunk yet but the dog needs to learn more that one trick. m
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this has been my impression of the new record. it's the same thing for 45 minutes that I bought before. a few bright moments spoiled by the re-use of most of the sounds from the last record and the re-use of an entire idea. i was definitely hoping for a little more progression in his style. personally it's just a little boring to me. i'm also in the darker/heavier camp. anstam, combat recordings, scorn, vex'd etc. that's what i'm diggin way more than the garage leaning tracks i've heard. just my personal inclination. On Nov 8, 2007 9:40 AM, Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...than the stuff on Untrue, with basically is one idea for 45+ minutes
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On 8 Nov 2007, at 14:51, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: On Nov 8, 2007 8:49 AM, Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Burial new album stinks to it's very roots of garage Tom, it's positively dripping with it. which is why i like it! and why i think its great that suddenly all those garage records on my shelf are now cool when they werent just a few years ago. sh*t cracks me up. As I mentioned earlier, it just aint for me. The whole point of Dubstep at the start was to throw out the rules but it's quickly become the worst parts of DnB and garage - I don't think it's sunk yet but the dog needs to learn more that one trick. nah, at the very beginning, dubstep was just 2-step minus the vocals and adding on a bunch of echo and more dubwise bass. it was only after it got attacked by the garage outsiders that it became what it is now. in fact, i think im gonna have to do a mix of those old records, theyre still so good and entertaining and many of them would fit in just fine with broken beats, Recloose, Carl Craig, etc. at least thats what i used to mix them up with! That's not strictly true but I can't be arsed to map the early days of Dubstep out again :) I've just played them both of these back to back and Black Secret sounds more modern than the stuff on Untrue, with basically is one idea for 45+ minutes, BST kicks its sorry ass if you ask me. but man, comparing the two straight up is just not what its all about! I think it's a fair call, one's ground break and one isn't. The break used throughout Untrue bores me to death, record static and Bladerunner samples just make it even more of a cliche. On tracks like Archangel I'm just waiting for Craig David to burst in and tell me what he's been up to this week. a cliche? thats wild, Burial is exactly not a cliche IMO. all the other dubstep stuff IS though! Tom some of those sample have been used so much their udders are bleeding, even the stuff he's lifted from the More Rockers Crew has been done to death. It's like a bad version of Timeless by Goldie, it never gets going for me and it even sound to broke to be a good monger same with that album. with BST and Timeless you are talking about music that is very 1995. sure, they are both timelessly great albums, but their perspective is not burial's. burial's perspective is more like mine, he loved that stuff, then watched it die. then he got into 2-step and loved that, and watched it die, too. if anything, his name is so powerful because it reflects the deaths of those great musics (and another aside, when the long running Steel City Jungle club night [the first all jungle club night in the US IIRC] ended, my friends and i threw a huge all jungle party called The Burial, named of course after the classic 94 joint by Leviticus). Except Timeless still makes me shiver Not for me I guess. that sums it up more than any fault in the music, IMO! if anything, when the first Burial album blew up, i was bewildered at why so many people who didnt like 2-step or old school jungle were feeling it. now i guess it is obvious that he just touches something in people, and now people seem to be getting into more of that stuff that they might have overlooked at the time. which is superawesome since there is so much good music in those two genres. It's defo not the fault of anyone, he's made an album and he loves it and stands by it, nothing more you can ask and if he's like me he won't give a flying crap what anyone else says and that's the way it should be. I'm just trying to avoid doing an edit job :) m
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On 7 Nov 2007, at 18:17, kent williams wrote: Haha. I've heard a lot of garage and while he's obviously inspired by some garage, it's a lot messier and less dance-floor pandering. I like the messiness. I also like the fact that he puts stuff together just with sound forge.
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Kent Wrote: in the same way Black Secret Technology was. The vocals took a bit of getting used but now they seem to form part of the soundscape as opposed to being words to listen too. I've just played them both of these back to back and Black Secret sounds more modern than the stuff on Untrue, with basically is one idea for 45+ minutes, BST kicks its sorry ass if you ask me. The break used throughout Untrue bores me to death, record static and Bladerunner samples just make it even more of a cliche. On tracks like Archangel I'm just waiting for Craig David to burst in and tell me what he's been up to this week. It's like a bad version of Timeless by Goldie, it never gets going for me and it even sound to broke to be a good monger Not for me I guess. m
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Interesting to watch a discussion like this blow up. I see everyone's points in the whole matter. I think I would react differently if I'd grown up in the UK and heard more of the good and the bad, and been exposed to the culture surrounding various genres, I'd hear the music differently. The context in the US is different. Unless you spend a lot of time watching the UK scene, you only hear what bubbles to the top of the pile. What I find interesting is how many Indie rock types in the US picked up on Burial. Probably looks like poor misguided Yanks getting it wrong again to people in the UK. OTOH to us, it looks like you drive on the wrong side of the road and add an extra syllable to aluminum to sound posh.
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Burial got a lot of exposure because he produced an album. Individual tracks on EPs here and there by artists already mentioned will never get the same amount of impact, especially on places like Pitchfork or even the Wire which still get excited by the old format. -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 November 2007 15:58 To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think Interesting to watch a discussion like this blow up. I see everyone's points in the whole matter. I think I would react differently if I'd grown up in the UK and heard more of the good and the bad, and been exposed to the culture surrounding various genres, I'd hear the music differently. The context in the US is different. Unless you spend a lot of time watching the UK scene, you only hear what bubbles to the top of the pile. What I find interesting is how many Indie rock types in the US picked up on Burial. Probably looks like poor misguided Yanks getting it wrong again to people in the UK. OTOH to us, it looks like you drive on the wrong side of the road and add an extra syllable to aluminum to sound posh. For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, confidential and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for confirming orders and information. Telegraph Media Group Limited is a limited liability company registered in England and Wales (company number 451593). Our registered office address is: 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT.
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Dunno what camp I'm digging, but I like the Rustie record, and Loefah and mrk1 stuff for e.g. I don't see any consistency with the above and the new Burial, underlining (as if it's necessary, we all know this) how subjective our choices are, I think ... Especially as some people say it isn't a progression from the last Burial LP which I really couldn't get along with, but many loved. Go figure. Or maybe just like what you like and don't worry about it. -Original Message- From: Nick Breinich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 November 2007 15:10 To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think this has been my impression of the new record. it's the same thing for 45 minutes that I bought before. a few bright moments spoiled by the re-use of most of the sounds from the last record and the re-use of an entire idea. i was definitely hoping for a little more progression in his style. personally it's just a little boring to me. i'm also in the darker/heavier camp. anstam, combat recordings, scorn, vex'd etc. that's what i'm diggin way more than the garage leaning tracks i've heard. just my personal inclination. On Nov 8, 2007 9:40 AM, Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...than the stuff on Untrue, with basically is one idea for 45+ minutes
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--- Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dunno what camp I'm digging, but I like the Rustie record, and Loefah and mrk1 stuff Which Rustie one Ken? The one on Stuff Records for a couple of months back? Just asking because I got a couple of new bits of his from RubaDub today but havnt listened to them yet (one track on a Rushhour distributed 12 comp and a few tracks on another new Glasgow label Dress2sweat's debut 12) Cheers BT
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I think you're being a bit hard on yourself here Kent, Burial is just as popular with dubstep/garage heads here as it is with people who don't follow the scene from what I can tell, as Toby pointed out the album helped Burial cross over. On 8 Nov 2007, at 15:57, kent williams wrote: Interesting to watch a discussion like this blow up. I see everyone's points in the whole matter. I think I would react differently if I'd grown up in the UK and heard more of the good and the bad, and been exposed to the culture surrounding various genres, I'd hear the music differently. The context in the US is different. Unless you spend a lot of time watching the UK scene, you only hear what bubbles to the top of the pile. What I find interesting is how many Indie rock types in the US picked up on Burial. Probably looks like poor misguided Yanks getting it wrong again to people in the UK. OTOH to us, it looks like you drive on the wrong side of the road and add an extra syllable to aluminum to sound posh.
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Yep the Stuff one Dave. I got it when it came out, digitized and played it every now and then, thinking 'fairly good, nothing too special' but recently it's really crept up on me, in that old fashioned way. It's not sophisticated, not particularly new, or even that clever. It's just (naively?) well done, phat and has that presence you get when made by someone who's really 'feeling it'. One to keep an eye on I think. Also lots of 'Detroitish' washes and strings... Before the complaints start to roll in. -Original Message- From: David Beattie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 November 2007 16:19 To: list 313 Subject: RE: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think --- Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dunno what camp I'm digging, but I like the Rustie record, and Loefah and mrk1 stuff Which Rustie one Ken? The one on Stuff Records for a couple of months back? Just asking because I got a couple of new bits of his from RubaDub today but havnt listened to them yet (one track on a Rushhour distributed 12 comp and a few tracks on another new Glasgow label Dress2sweat's debut 12) Cheers BT
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I make my living selling 78rpm records now. If you guys don't stop this nonsense about old and new music I'm going to unsubscribe :P dated vs fresh makes sense...i guess that's what you guys mean? bah. i'm going to go listen to a hawaiian record from 1931 now. still sounds fresh!
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I dunno about that criticism Ken (granted, you DO like it :P) Maybe you're talking about that rb/hiphop facelift thing though, which is intentionally a little more mindless and mainstream. I'd call at least some of his stuff sophisticated, clever, and using new as a description for music is really misguided anyways. Rustie is awesome. So is Stuff. I3 Glasgow On Nov 8, 2007 11:42 AM, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep the Stuff one Dave. I got it when it came out, digitized and played it every now and then, thinking 'fairly good, nothing too special' but recently it's really crept up on me, in that old fashioned way. It's not sophisticated, not particularly new, or even that clever. It's just (naively?) well done, phat and has that presence you get when made by someone who's really 'feeling it'. One to keep an eye on I think. Also lots of 'Detroitish' washes and strings... Before the complaints start to roll in. -Original Message- From: David Beattie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 November 2007 16:19 To: list 313 Subject: RE: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think --- Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dunno what camp I'm digging, but I like the Rustie record, and Loefah and mrk1 stuff Which Rustie one Ken? The one on Stuff Records for a couple of months back? Just asking because I got a couple of new bits of his from RubaDub today but havnt listened to them yet (one track on a Rushhour distributed 12 comp and a few tracks on another new Glasgow label Dress2sweat's debut 12) Cheers BT
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yeah, i can't belive this album is getting championed as new musicfor me there is nothing fresh and innovative in this album nor dubstep in general. what's new about slowed down ukgarage with muted sound effects and samples of rainfall? sounds like moody garage for heartbroken croydon chavs to me. it's even got the helium vocals for crying out loud! i found it very boring and flat. and dubstep just sounds like the dnb-ish trip hop that used to come out on austrian compilations back in the early nineties - and there is nothing new about that. i bet this dubstep thing will be off the radar in 18 months, just like what happened to the ex-new thing, broken beats. new music is out there ppl but most of you disdain it.. f. - Original Message - From: Emile Facey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED]; list 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 2:14 PM Subject: Re: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think There's nothing like Burial to divide a group, people seem to absolutely love it or just don' get it at all. Personally I'm with Martin all the way here, give me some Scorn any day, Mick Harris has been doing it since '91. On 8 Nov 2007, at 11:51, Martin Dust wrote: On 8 Nov 2007, at 11:24, Odeluga, Ken wrote: But what about the 'garagey' trimmings of the latest Burial offering then ...? Not feeling it at all Ken and it's not getting much play in the studio at all, to my ears, it just sounds really old and a step backwards into a sound that Dubstep was trying to move away from but it seems to have fallen into a trap of it's own making. I much prefer Scorn over Burial... m
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Let's all just say no to gratuitous button pushing mmkay On Nov 7, 2007 12:07 PM, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ahh tom, you're like the bad song i've heard way too many times. your buttons are so obvious, and so fun to push
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On Nov 7, 2007 12:49 PM, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hows your kid doing, tom? he's already more intelligent than you and kooky put together and he's not even 6. and he has better taste in music! it must suck to be crap compared to a child, im sorry you are so trash. On Nov 7, 2007 12:55 PM, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nothing that is on topic for this list youre so cool! tom
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nothing that is on topic for this list - Original Message - From: kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Mann, Ravinder [EMAIL PROTECTED]; list 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 12:49 PM Subject: Re: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think Well another county heard from. You're entitled to your opinion of course, but here's a question: What's really rocking you if you can't feel this CD? On Nov 7, 2007 11:34 AM, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sounded like complete weaksauce to me. more garbage that gets better reaction than it deserves because the bar has been lowered to such a degree that C-work gets an A that said, I'm glad you're moved by it
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hows your kid doing, tom? - Original Message - From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 12:45 PM Subject: Re: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think On Nov 7, 2007 12:34 PM, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sounded like complete weaksauce to me. more garbage that gets better reaction than it deserves because the bar has been lowered to such a degree that C-work gets an A HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA your existence is such a joke, i can barely breathe when i read your posts! i love it! sucker. tom
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sounded like complete weaksauce to me. more garbage that gets better reaction than it deserves because the bar has been lowered to such a degree that C-work gets an A that said, I'm glad you're moved by it - Original Message - From: Mann, Ravinder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]; list 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 11:28 AM Subject: RE: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think Really feeling this, its something new and some old at the same time, in the same way Black Secret Technology was. The vocals took a bit of getting used but now they seem to form part of the soundscape as opposed to being words to listen too. Rav. -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 November 2007 16:03 To: list 313 Subject: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think The new Burial Untrue -- our friend TomCox turned me on to it. I was underwhelmed by the first Burial CD, but 'Untrue' really hits me hard. There's nothing new about dub effects, vinyl crackle, sampled drums, or vocal samples. But Burial applies his cutup methods to produce something crazily funky, emotional and atmospheric. In particular the track Etched Headplate which has a beat that verges on House slays me. The start/stop beat has some teasing drama. Almost a 'Shades of Jae' effect. In fact, to bring it back to Detroit, Burial reminds me a bit of Moodyman and Theo Parrish, in the way he finds little fragmentary samples and makes something out of them that leaves their original context behind. To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://disclaimer.leedsmet.ac.uk/email.htm
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Indeed, something 'OT' which is quite *on* T and very welcome. I felt the same about the first Burial but I will check this now. Thanks! Ken -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 November 2007 16:03 To: list 313 Subject: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think The new Burial Untrue -- our friend TomCox turned me on to it. I was underwhelmed by the first Burial CD, but 'Untrue' really hits me hard. There's nothing new about dub effects, vinyl crackle, sampled drums, or vocal samples. But Burial applies his cutup methods to produce something crazily funky, emotional and atmospheric. In particular the track Etched Headplate which has a beat that verges on House slays me. The start/stop beat has some teasing drama. Almost a 'Shades of Jae' effect. In fact, to bring it back to Detroit, Burial reminds me a bit of Moodyman and Theo Parrish, in the way he finds little fragmentary samples and makes something out of them that leaves their original context behind.
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I also like the fact that he puts stuff together just with sound forge. Yeah, course he does - can't believe you bought that load of old balls ;)
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On 7 Nov 2007, at 16:28, Mann, Ravinder wrote: Really feeling this, its something new and some old at the same time, in the same way Black Secret Technology was. The vocals took a bit of getting used but now they seem to form part of the soundscape as opposed to being words to listen too. Too garagey for my taste m
Re: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think
Well another county heard from. You're entitled to your opinion of course, but here's a question: What's really rocking you if you can't feel this CD? On Nov 7, 2007 11:34 AM, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sounded like complete weaksauce to me. more garbage that gets better reaction than it deserves because the bar has been lowered to such a degree that C-work gets an A that said, I'm glad you're moved by it
Re: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think
I never got into the first Burial as much as I am into this. Though I'll go back and check it again. It just seemed colder without as much texture and feeling. On Nov 7, 2007 10:14 AM, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indeed, something 'OT' which is quite *on* T and very welcome. I felt the same about the first Burial but I will check this now. Thanks! Ken
Re: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think
On Nov 7, 2007 12:34 PM, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sounded like complete weaksauce to me. more garbage that gets better reaction than it deserves because the bar has been lowered to such a degree that C-work gets an A HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA your existence is such a joke, i can barely breathe when i read your posts! i love it! sucker. tom
RE: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think
Really feeling this, its something new and some old at the same time, in the same way Black Secret Technology was. The vocals took a bit of getting used but now they seem to form part of the soundscape as opposed to being words to listen too. Rav. -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 November 2007 16:03 To: list 313 Subject: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think The new Burial Untrue -- our friend TomCox turned me on to it. I was underwhelmed by the first Burial CD, but 'Untrue' really hits me hard. There's nothing new about dub effects, vinyl crackle, sampled drums, or vocal samples. But Burial applies his cutup methods to produce something crazily funky, emotional and atmospheric. In particular the track Etched Headplate which has a beat that verges on House slays me. The start/stop beat has some teasing drama. Almost a 'Shades of Jae' effect. In fact, to bring it back to Detroit, Burial reminds me a bit of Moodyman and Theo Parrish, in the way he finds little fragmentary samples and makes something out of them that leaves their original context behind. To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://disclaimer.leedsmet.ac.uk/email.htm
Re: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think
So what? Hit us - I'm curious. MEK /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/07/2007 11:55:38 AM: nothing that is on topic for this list - Original Message - From: kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Mann, Ravinder [EMAIL PROTECTED]; list 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 12:49 PM Subject: Re: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think Well another county heard from. You're entitled to your opinion of course, but here's a question: What's really rocking you if you can't feel this CD? On Nov 7, 2007 11:34 AM, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sounded like complete weaksauce to me. more garbage that gets better reaction than it deserves because the bar has been lowered to such a degree that C-work gets an A that said, I'm glad you're moved by it
Re: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think
ahh tom, you're like the bad song i've heard way too many times. your buttons are so obvious, and so fun to push time to change the channel - Original Message - From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 1:00 PM Subject: Re: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think On Nov 7, 2007 12:49 PM, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hows your kid doing, tom? he's already more intelligent than you and kooky put together and he's not even 6. and he has better taste in music! it must suck to be crap compared to a child, im sorry you are so trash. On Nov 7, 2007 12:55 PM, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nothing that is on topic for this list youre so cool! tom
(313) OT -- something actually new, I think
The new Burial Untrue -- our friend TomCox turned me on to it. I was underwhelmed by the first Burial CD, but 'Untrue' really hits me hard. There's nothing new about dub effects, vinyl crackle, sampled drums, or vocal samples. But Burial applies his cutup methods to produce something crazily funky, emotional and atmospheric. In particular the track Etched Headplate which has a beat that verges on House slays me. The start/stop beat has some teasing drama. Almost a 'Shades of Jae' effect. In fact, to bring it back to Detroit, Burial reminds me a bit of Moodyman and Theo Parrish, in the way he finds little fragmentary samples and makes something out of them that leaves their original context behind.
Re: (313) OT -- something actually new, I think
On Nov 7, 2007, at 11:03 AM, kent williams wrote: In fact, to bring it back to Detroit, Burial reminds me a bit of Moodyman and Theo Parrish, in the way he finds little fragmentary samples and makes something out of them that leaves their original context behind. I only heard an album 'sampler' which was just extracts mixed up by Kode9, but to me it brought Convextion to mind. I was also nonplussed by Burial's first album, but I got some definite chills from the bits I've heard so far. -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
