Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me
tosh, if i've got this right, you're complaint is that there isn't eneogh mainstream media exposure for the music we love and like. why do you want that? because you have trouble finding or being exposed to decent music? i don't have any problem finding as much great house, techno, electro and disco as i want thanks to on-line record stores and d.loading dj sets. so i don't feel any lack. if it's question of respect or appreciation - well, this is underground music. i don't want to see the music i like packaged, pushed and treated the way britney spears' music is treated. james www.jbucknell.com Tosh Cooey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To 09/02/05 10:38 PM Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc Matt MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 313@hyperreal.org, Tosh Cooey [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me You're all far too bloody defensive. If you would defend your right to a free and open media marketplace as strong as you defend against a perceived slight against Matt's efforts then this would never be a problem. As John Osselaer previously said: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The set is from Switch Studios which I guess is a radio station in Brussels, --- That's national radio for ya. Studio Brussel is the youth channel of the national radio. Switch runs every Friday and Saturday, I believe from 8pm till the early morning hours. We've had quality dance shows on national radio from the early nineties on (Teknoville) ... John National radio. One more time, national radio, which means that the entire country is exposed. Granted it's a small country, probably the same size as the Chicago market that Matt services, but it's the idea. National radio is more mainstream than community radio is all that I said. I NEVER slighted community radio. If you have proof of a counter-example then I'll concede. Damn... Anyway, then Matt got all defensive and made comments like this: It's time people took community radio seriously as an alternative to the ClearChannel near-monopoly of programming. I disagree, I think it's time people took seriously the idea of PREVENTING or BREAKING-UP the ClearChannel near-monopoly of programming. And everyone who suggests well we have community radio and the internet blah blah is being disingenuous, because that is a position of RETREAT, and the englobulators will not stop and let you have community radio and internet radio all to yourselves, they HAVE to grow otherwise their share price stagnates and they can no longer raise money from the markets, so they WILL GROW into your nice little world, or close your little world down. Anyway, Matt, don't be so defensive, what you're doing is great, and you know it's appreciated, just by proof of the amount of support you get. Nothing would make me happier than for you to become syndicated and available across the country, nationaly, but until then you're a niche within a niche, just like I am. Tosh -- McIntosh Cooey - Twelve Hundred Group LLC - http://www.1200group.com/ Robert Taylor wrote: I know lots of people over in the UK who listen to the show on the net and not all of them are 'heads' - I play the show in the office/library - my colleagues who usually listen to Audioslave and U2 appreciate it and visitors to the library ask what's playing so regularly that maybe I should get a 'now playing' sign to put on the hatch! -Original Message- From: Matt MacQueen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 2:14 AM To: 313 Cc: Tosh Cooey; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me On Feb 7, 2005
Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me
honestly, james, i think that this a bit of a dangerous attitude. it's all well and good if we know where to find this music but if we can't recruit new listeners then it will become harder and harder to find what we want as it becomes harder for sympathetic businesses to survive. Original Message: - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:31:02 +1000 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me tosh, if i've got this right, you're complaint is that there isn't eneogh mainstream media exposure for the music we love and like. why do you want that? because you have trouble finding or being exposed to decent music? i don't have any problem finding as much great house, techno, electro and disco as i want thanks to on-line record stores and d.loading dj sets. so i don't feel any lack. if it's question of respect or appreciation - well, this is underground music. i don't want to see the music i like packaged, pushed and treated the way britney spears' music is treated. james www.jbucknell.com Tosh Cooey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To 09/02/05 10:38 PM Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc Matt MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 313@hyperreal.org, Tosh Cooey [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me You're all far too bloody defensive. If you would defend your right to a free and open media marketplace as strong as you defend against a perceived slight against Matt's efforts then this would never be a problem. As John Osselaer previously said: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The set is from Switch Studios which I guess is a radio station in Brussels, --- That's national radio for ya. Studio Brussel is the youth channel of the national radio. Switch runs every Friday and Saturday, I believe from 8pm till the early morning hours. We've had quality dance shows on national radio from the early nineties on (Teknoville) ... John National radio. One more time, national radio, which means that the entire country is exposed. Granted it's a small country, probably the same size as the Chicago market that Matt services, but it's the idea. National radio is more mainstream than community radio is all that I said. I NEVER slighted community radio. If you have proof of a counter-example then I'll concede. Damn... Anyway, then Matt got all defensive and made comments like this: It's time people took community radio seriously as an alternative to the ClearChannel near-monopoly of programming. I disagree, I think it's time people took seriously the idea of PREVENTING or BREAKING-UP the ClearChannel near-monopoly of programming. And everyone who suggests well we have community radio and the internet blah blah is being disingenuous, because that is a position of RETREAT, and the englobulators will not stop and let you have community radio and internet radio all to yourselves, they HAVE to grow otherwise their share price stagnates and they can no longer raise money from the markets, so they WILL GROW into your nice little world, or close your little world down. Anyway, Matt, don't be so defensive, what you're doing is great, and you know it's appreciated, just by proof of the amount of support you get. Nothing would make me happier than for you to become syndicated and available across the country, nationaly, but until then you're a niche within a niche, just like I am. Tosh -- McIntosh Cooey - Twelve Hundred Group LLC - http://www.1200group.com/ Robert Taylor wrote: I know lots of people over in the UK who listen to the show on the net and not all of them are 'heads' - I play the show
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survive? a 20 year run for a youth culture musical movement is way too long as it is. we're living on nostalga. we're a bunch of balding hippies waiting for punk to come along and put us out of our misery. still dancing to jeff mills playing 'strings of life'...might as well be dressed in cheesecloth at a grateful dead concert in the mid 80s. james www.jbucknell.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To 10/02/05 11:43 AM 313@hyperreal.org cc Please respond to Subject [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me honestly, james, i think that this a bit of a dangerous attitude. it's all well and good if we know where to find this music but if we can't recruit new listeners then it will become harder and harder to find what we want as it becomes harder for sympathetic businesses to survive. Original Message: - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:31:02 +1000 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me tosh, if i've got this right, you're complaint is that there isn't eneogh mainstream media exposure for the music we love and like. why do you want that? because you have trouble finding or being exposed to decent music? i don't have any problem finding as much great house, techno, electro and disco as i want thanks to on-line record stores and d.loading dj sets. so i don't feel any lack. if it's question of respect or appreciation - well, this is underground music. i don't want to see the music i like packaged, pushed and treated the way britney spears' music is treated. james www.jbucknell.com Tosh Cooey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To 09/02/05 10:38 PM Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc Matt MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 313@hyperreal.org, Tosh Cooey [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me You're all far too bloody defensive. If you would defend your right to a free and open media marketplace as strong as you defend against a perceived slight against Matt's efforts then this would never be a problem. As John Osselaer previously said: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The set is from Switch Studios which I guess is a radio station in Brussels, --- That's national radio for ya. Studio Brussel is the youth channel of the national radio. Switch runs every Friday and Saturday, I believe from 8pm till the early morning hours. We've had quality dance shows on national radio from the early nineties on (Teknoville) ... John National radio. One more time, national radio, which means that the entire country is exposed. Granted it's a small country, probably the same size as the Chicago market that Matt services, but it's the idea. National radio is more mainstream than community radio is all that I said. I NEVER slighted community radio. If you have proof of a counter-example then I'll concede. Damn... Anyway, then Matt got all defensive and made comments like this: It's time people took community radio seriously as an alternative to the ClearChannel near-monopoly of programming. I disagree, I think it's time people took seriously the idea of PREVENTING or BREAKING-UP the ClearChannel near-monopoly of programming. And everyone who suggests well we have community radio and the internet blah blah is being disingenuous, because that is a position
(313) Re: Europe (was RE: (313) Radio Fries...)
A very good article on the Europe vs America thing in the last issue of the New York Review of Books. http://www.nybooks.com/articles/17726 Cheers Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com
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i find this whole US vs. the rest of the world, public radio vs. commnunity radio etc thread pretty disturbing i dont we (the list, humanity) really need any more excuses to be divisive...and i would really apreciate if we realy left politics out of list discussions (i know, im dreamingbut i had to express my sentiments) fab. - Original Message - From: Christopher Davey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 9:55 AM Subject: (313) Re: Europe (was RE: (313) Radio Fries...) A very good article on the Europe vs America thing in the last issue of the New York Review of Books. http://www.nybooks.com/articles/17726 Cheers Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com
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There's a grain of truth in that, but it probably isn't *quite* that bad James! Ken Odeluga Editor, Equities - Market Talk Dow Jones Newswires [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 February 2005 01:39 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me survive? a 20 year run for a youth culture musical movement is way too long as it is. we're living on nostalga. we're a bunch of balding hippies waiting for punk to come along and put us out of our misery. still dancing to jeff mills playing 'strings of life'...might as well be dressed in cheesecloth at a grateful dead concert in the mid 80s. james www.jbucknell.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To 10/02/05 11:43 AM 313@hyperreal.org cc Please respond to Subject [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me honestly, james, i think that this a bit of a dangerous attitude. it's all well and good if we know where to find this music but if we can't recruit new listeners then it will become harder and harder to find what we want as it becomes harder for sympathetic businesses to survive. Original Message: - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:31:02 +1000 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me tosh, if i've got this right, you're complaint is that there isn't eneogh mainstream media exposure for the music we love and like. why do you want that? because you have trouble finding or being exposed to decent music? i don't have any problem finding as much great house, techno, electro and disco as i want thanks to on-line record stores and d.loading dj sets. so i don't feel any lack. if it's question of respect or appreciation - well, this is underground music. i don't want to see the music i like packaged, pushed and treated the way britney spears' music is treated. james www.jbucknell.com Tosh Cooey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To 09/02/05 10:38 PM Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc Matt MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 313@hyperreal.org, Tosh Cooey [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me You're all far too bloody defensive. If you would defend your right to a free and open media marketplace as strong as you defend against a perceived slight against Matt's efforts then this would never be a problem. As John Osselaer previously said: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The set is from Switch Studios which I guess is a radio station in Brussels, --- That's national radio for ya. Studio Brussel is the youth channel of the national radio. Switch runs every Friday and Saturday, I believe from 8pm till the early morning hours. We've had quality dance shows on national radio from the early nineties on (Teknoville) ... John National radio. One more time, national radio, which means that the entire country is exposed. Granted it's a small country, probably the same size as the Chicago market that Matt services, but it's the idea. National radio is more mainstream than community radio is all that I said. I NEVER slighted community radio. If you have proof of a counter-example then I'll concede. Damn... Anyway, then Matt got all defensive and made comments like this: It's time people took community radio seriously as an alternative to the ClearChannel near-monopoly of programming. I disagree, I think it's time people took seriously the idea of PREVENTING or BREAKING-UP the ClearChannel near-monopoly of programming. And everyone who suggests well we have community radio and the internet blah blah is being disingenuous, because that is a position of RETREAT, and the englobulators will not stop and let you have community radio and internet radio all to yourselves, they HAVE to grow otherwise their share price stagnates and they can no longer raise money from the markets, so they WILL GROW into your nice little world, or close your little world down. Anyway, Matt, don't be so defensive, what you're doing is great, and you know it's appreciated, just by proof of the amount of support you get. Nothing would make me happier than for you to become syndicated and available across the country, nationaly, but until then you're a niche within a niche, just like I am. Tosh -- McIntosh Cooey - Twelve Hundred Group LLC - http://www.1200group.com/ Robert Taylor wrote: I know lots
Re: (313) Re: Europe (was RE: (313) Radio Fries...)
I agree that these topics are being treated in an unnecessarily divisive and polemical way, but I'd hesitate to expel politics from this list. While this probably isn't the place to discuss Social Security policy, the politics of culture and economic power are very relevant to any international music industry. culture industry-licious, Luis On Feb 10, 2005, at 3:56 AM, fab. wrote: i find this whole US vs. the rest of the world, public radio vs. commnunity radio etc thread pretty disturbing i dont we (the list, humanity) really need any more excuses to be divisive...and i would really apreciate if we realy left politics out of list discussions (i know, im dreamingbut i had to express my sentiments) fab. - Original Message - From: Christopher Davey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 9:55 AM Subject: (313) Re: Europe (was RE: (313) Radio Fries...) A very good article on the Europe vs America thing in the last issue of the New York Review of Books. http://www.nybooks.com/articles/17726 Cheers Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com
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On Feb 7, 2005, at 7:35 AM, Tosh Cooey wrote: downloaded matt mcqueen's latest radio show (a counter-argument to your claim that 'this' would never happen on american radio), a fabrice lig mix, an old mixmaster morris mix -- Matt's a great guy, but he's playing for a very very very small niche in a very very very small niche market, not exactly mainstream. Somehow i missed this thread, sorry for the late reply Tosh. I appreciate the olive branch, but that attitude cracks me up. there was once a time in the US when people probably said House music was very very small niche when it was on the air here 15-20 years ago and guess what... it fired up a world phenomenon that is still a part of the dance music culture you celebrate daily. if you said that back then to the people Djing on WBMX or Hotmix 5 or whatever, yeah, they could have said why bother? -- at that time it was niche, they were playing weirdo italo disco that was already 5 years old to US radio audiences. they played disco after disco was dead. but but they made a difference instead, they mixed it up and did their own music and called it house, those radio shows fundamentally shaped the future of electronic dance music forever. It was the same way with Mojo. A lot of what he played was pop, sure, but he mixed it with a lot of local detroit techno records that people then wanted to check out, get interested in, or at least listen to religiously on his his show. These were major market commercial stations! Now, what has happened in the last 10 years with Clear Channel and the homogenization of radio programming options absolutely sucks, sure, but has only made the independent stations that much more fired up to keep doing what they're doing.it hasn't devastated the airwaves... yet We're broadcasting in chicago on friday nights, prime time 9:30pm - 12:30 am... how you define a very very small niche but to me that's a HUUUGE opportunity to turn people on. We've had calls from as far as 50 miles north of the city who can pick us up on a clear night, and last I checked we were the 3rd or 4th largest city in the US. Think of how dense the population is in chicago. Having a broadcasting tower is a the great equalizer. It's time people took community radio seriously as an alternative to the ClearChannel near-monopoly of programming. Everyone in the US who just sits on the outside of radio and takes pot-shots, have you ever scanned your dial for community or university stations, many of whom still truly CARE about the formatting, are non-commerical or ethical in how they conduct business, present alternative viewpoints to the mainstream stations, and work true musical diversity into their programming time? Many major markets have these. There are some amazing radio programs in NYC too. Here in chicago you can hear polish folk music to punk to salsa programming to underground hip-hop, you can find it on the air here. When Bill VanLoo was going to school in Michigan's Upper Peninsula, way up in the remote parts of the snow-buried rural land, he was pumping out detroit techno week after week. In Chicago I can think of a few other stations besides WNUR in chicago who have awesome programming on other nights. Is it mainstream? Only if you hit people squarely in the ears who had NO IDEA there were still good radio programs in the US, people click around. I'm not out to change the world and have techno on every radio station, but I am trying to turn people on to quality electronic music, one listener at a time. And i'm not even getting into the webcasting and site downloads.. i check the logs and we've got people from 50+ countries regularly listening. Community radio in the US is powerful, were' on the ghetto end of the dial, but don't sit there across the world and give us a little pat on the head. :) peace -- MM http://sonicsunset.com
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here in the raleigh-durham area of north carolina, you can catch the occasional house classic on the most popular station in the area, a commercial rb/hiphop station, during the live drive-time mixes that air on thursday and friday rush hour...pretty funny to hear the latest lil jon crap mixed into no way back..it is occasional, but it makes me think that there is a large audience that would be moderately receptive to more dance music (especially with vox) if it hit the commercial airwaves. and then there are the college stations from duke, unc (the first station in the world to simulcast on the internet, toot toot), and nc state, which play all sorts of good stuff, they're all fairly popular too. radio ain't dead yet, thanks to college radio, and the more respectable hiphop/rb stations which acknowledge their connection to other dance music and dance music history. you wont ever hear a set of deep techno, but you will hear some good stuff, and people's ears are pretty healthily fed around here big up clinically inclined!
RE: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me
I know lots of people over in the UK who listen to the show on the net and not all of them are 'heads' - I play the show in the office/library - my colleagues who usually listen to Audioslave and U2 appreciate it and visitors to the library ask what's playing so regularly that maybe I should get a 'now playing' sign to put on the hatch! -Original Message- From: Matt MacQueen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 2:14 AM To: 313 Cc: Tosh Cooey; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me On Feb 7, 2005, at 7:35 AM, Tosh Cooey wrote: downloaded matt mcqueen's latest radio show (a counter-argument to your claim that 'this' would never happen on american radio), a fabrice lig mix, an old mixmaster morris mix -- Matt's a great guy, but he's playing for a very very very small niche in a very very very small niche market, not exactly mainstream. Somehow i missed this thread, sorry for the late reply Tosh. I appreciate the olive branch, but that attitude cracks me up. there was once a time in the US when people probably said House music was very very small niche when it was on the air here 15-20 years ago and guess what... it fired up a world phenomenon that is still a part of the dance music culture you celebrate daily. if you said that back then to the people Djing on WBMX or Hotmix 5 or whatever, yeah, they could have said why bother? -- at that time it was niche, they were playing weirdo italo disco that was already 5 years old to US radio audiences. they played disco after disco was dead. but but they made a difference instead, they mixed it up and did their own music and called it house, those radio shows fundamentally shaped the future of electronic dance music forever. It was the same way with Mojo. A lot of what he played was pop, sure, but he mixed it with a lot of local detroit techno records that people then wanted to check out, get interested in, or at least listen to religiously on his his show. These were major market commercial stations! Now, what has happened in the last 10 years with Clear Channel and the homogenization of radio programming options absolutely sucks, sure, but has only made the independent stations that much more fired up to keep doing what they're doing.it hasn't devastated the airwaves... yet We're broadcasting in chicago on friday nights, prime time 9:30pm - 12:30 am... how you define a very very small niche but to me that's a HUUUGE opportunity to turn people on. We've had calls from as far as 50 miles north of the city who can pick us up on a clear night, and last I checked we were the 3rd or 4th largest city in the US. Think of how dense the population is in chicago. Having a broadcasting tower is a the great equalizer. It's time people took community radio seriously as an alternative to the ClearChannel near-monopoly of programming. Everyone in the US who just sits on the outside of radio and takes pot-shots, have you ever scanned your dial for community or university stations, many of whom still truly CARE about the formatting, are non-commerical or ethical in how they conduct business, present alternative viewpoints to the mainstream stations, and work true musical diversity into their programming time? Many major markets have these. There are some amazing radio programs in NYC too. Here in chicago you can hear polish folk music to punk to salsa programming to underground hip-hop, you can find it on the air here. When Bill VanLoo was going to school in Michigan's Upper Peninsula, way up in the remote parts of the snow-buried rural land, he was pumping out detroit techno week after week. In Chicago I can think of a few other stations besides WNUR in chicago who have awesome programming on other nights. Is it mainstream? Only if you hit people squarely in the ears who had NO IDEA there were still good radio programs in the US, people click around. I'm not out to change the world and have techno on every radio station, but I am trying to turn people on to quality electronic music, one listener at a time. And i'm not even getting into the webcasting and site downloads.. i check the logs and we've got people from 50+ countries regularly listening. Community radio in the US is powerful, were' on the ghetto end of the dial, but don't sit there across the world and give us a little pat on the head. :) peace -- MM http://sonicsunset.com # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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I'm not out to change the world and have techno on every radio station, but I am trying to turn people on to quality electronic music, one listener at a time. SLAP aha! the return of the virtual slap on the back : ) Keep it up Matt Dave, really appreciated here. I second JT's motion, long live the clinically inclined. I'm sure I say this every week mind, but I can truly appreciate the amount of time and effort put in. I mean, not as if you just rock up to the radio station every friday with a bunch of random records. But anyway, blah blah blah blah, big up Gerald and Dan too w/their shows... _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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You're all far too bloody defensive. If you would defend your right to a free and open media marketplace as strong as you defend against a perceived slight against Matt's efforts then this would never be a problem. As John Osselaer previously said: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The set is from Switch Studios which I guess is a radio station in Brussels, --- That's national radio for ya. Studio Brussel is the youth channel of the national radio. Switch runs every Friday and Saturday, I believe from 8pm till the early morning hours. We've had quality dance shows on national radio from the early nineties on (Teknoville) ... John National radio. One more time, national radio, which means that the entire country is exposed. Granted it's a small country, probably the same size as the Chicago market that Matt services, but it's the idea. National radio is more mainstream than community radio is all that I said. I NEVER slighted community radio. If you have proof of a counter-example then I'll concede. Damn... Anyway, then Matt got all defensive and made comments like this: It's time people took community radio seriously as an alternative to the ClearChannel near-monopoly of programming. I disagree, I think it's time people took seriously the idea of PREVENTING or BREAKING-UP the ClearChannel near-monopoly of programming. And everyone who suggests well we have community radio and the internet blah blah is being disingenuous, because that is a position of RETREAT, and the englobulators will not stop and let you have community radio and internet radio all to yourselves, they HAVE to grow otherwise their share price stagnates and they can no longer raise money from the markets, so they WILL GROW into your nice little world, or close your little world down. Anyway, Matt, don't be so defensive, what you're doing is great, and you know it's appreciated, just by proof of the amount of support you get. Nothing would make me happier than for you to become syndicated and available across the country, nationaly, but until then you're a niche within a niche, just like I am. Tosh -- McIntosh Cooey - Twelve Hundred Group LLC - http://www.1200group.com/ Robert Taylor wrote: I know lots of people over in the UK who listen to the show on the net and not all of them are 'heads' - I play the show in the office/library - my colleagues who usually listen to Audioslave and U2 appreciate it and visitors to the library ask what's playing so regularly that maybe I should get a 'now playing' sign to put on the hatch! -Original Message- From: Matt MacQueen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 2:14 AM To: 313 Cc: Tosh Cooey; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me On Feb 7, 2005, at 7:35 AM, Tosh Cooey wrote: downloaded matt mcqueen's latest radio show (a counter-argument to your claim that 'this' would never happen on american radio), a fabrice lig mix, an old mixmaster morris mix -- Matt's a great guy, but he's playing for a very very very small niche in a very very very small niche market, not exactly mainstream. Somehow i missed this thread, sorry for the late reply Tosh. I appreciate the olive branch, but that attitude cracks me up. there was once a time in the US when people probably said House music was very very small niche when it was on the air here 15-20 years ago and guess what... it fired up a world phenomenon that is still a part of the dance music culture you celebrate daily. if you said that back then to the people Djing on WBMX or Hotmix 5 or whatever, yeah, they could have said why bother? -- at that time it was niche, they were playing weirdo italo disco that was already 5 years old to US radio audiences. they played disco after disco was dead. but but they made a difference instead, they mixed it up and did their own music and called it house, those radio shows fundamentally shaped the future of electronic dance music forever. It was the same way with Mojo. A lot of what he played was pop, sure, but he mixed it with a lot of local detroit techno records that people then wanted to check out, get interested in, or at least listen to religiously on his his show. These were major market commercial stations! Now, what has happened in the last 10 years with Clear Channel and the homogenization of radio programming options absolutely sucks, sure, but has only made the independent stations that much more fired up to keep doing what they're doing.it hasn't devastated the airwaves... yet We're broadcasting in chicago on friday nights, prime time 9:30pm - 12:30 am... how you define a very very small niche but to me that's a HUUUGE opportunity to turn people on. We've had calls from as far as 50 miles north of the city who can pick us up on a clear night, and last I checked we were the 3rd or 4th largest city in the US. Think of how dense the population is in chicago. Having
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If you would defend your right to a free and open media marketplace as strong as you defend against a perceived slight against Matt's efforts then this would never be a problem. Fxck yerself. I went to 5 community action meetings with 2 including members of the fcc, where there was strong opposition to say the least. I'm talking hundreds in attendance and all voices in unison. Sounds like much more than what was said about matt. But didn't make a difference. You sound like an idiot for even suggesting that the monopoly is present due to lack of action on behalf of the people. C'mon dawg, everyone in the world (especially right now) should know that decisions at that level are being bought, not simply spoken for. Granted it's a small country, probably the same size as the Chicago market that Matt services, but it's the idea. You're wrong again. When you're talking radio and exposure (which you are by the use of the word niche market) it's not the idea, it's the coverage area and the number of listeners. National radio is more mainstream than community radio is all that I said. Not true. What you said was, ...What's even more remarkable is that this, for so many reasons, would *never* happen on American radio these days. (which sounds to me like marginalizing community radio) I think everyone that has replied were simply addressing this statement and giving counterexamples. Knowing that you're not physically here, trying to educate you about the real state of radio today is the most positive response you could've received. Obviously you didn't take it that way. And of course you wouldn't take community and indy radio seriously, you're not listening to it. Point is, I don't have to wait till mills and garnier decide to get eclectic to hear sets like that. And that's what's really important. So instead of slagging markets that you don't patronize. Why don't you give us some insight into the state of Canadian radio, and why this type of mixing/programming is so rare to you? I'd be really interested to hear. Anyway, then Matt got all defensive and made comments like this: It's time people took community radio seriously as an alternative to the ClearChannel near-monopoly of programming. I disagree, I think it's time people took seriously the idea of PREVENTING or BREAKING-UP the ClearChannel near-monopoly of programming. So should we also stop watching independent films and instead put pressure on the major studios to produce more leftfield movies for fear that they will eventually kill the indy market? No. I think you misjudge the position. It's not a position of retreat, it's using the weapons at your immediate disposal to fight the battle instead of asking the enemy if you can borrow his guns. Nothing would make me happier than for you to become syndicated and available across the country, nationaly, but until then you're a niche within a niche, just like I am. Really? I thought he was an integral part of a decentralized force of underground disk jockeys keeping the spirit of free radio alive (with more listeners than some national radio stations cough brussels cough. Peace and chicken grease. Kamal K. Stoddard Turner Broadcasting Systems ** I am exactly what I wanted to become since I was 5 years old. Since 5 year olds are not noted for mature judgement and sometimes aspire to piracy or gunfighting, this is not necessarily a sign of success. **
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Hey Tosh, Then where does Brave New Waves fit into the picture? It runs nationally across Canada, and the Northern U.S. States can pick it up as well - right. - Original Message - From: Stoddard, Kamal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Tosh Cooey' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:57 AM Subject: RE: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me If you would defend your right to a free and open media marketplace as strong as you defend against a perceived slight against Matt's efforts then this would never be a problem. Fxck yerself. I went to 5 community action meetings with 2 including members of the fcc, where there was strong opposition to say the least. I'm talking hundreds in attendance and all voices in unison. Sounds like much more than what was said about matt. But didn't make a difference. You sound like an idiot for even suggesting that the monopoly is present due to lack of action on behalf of the people. C'mon dawg, everyone in the world (especially right now) should know that decisions at that level are being bought, not simply spoken for. Granted it's a small country, probably the same size as the Chicago market that Matt services, but it's the idea. You're wrong again. When you're talking radio and exposure (which you are by the use of the word niche market) it's not the idea, it's the coverage area and the number of listeners. National radio is more mainstream than community radio is all that I said. Not true. What you said was, ...What's even more remarkable is that this, for so many reasons, would *never* happen on American radio these days. (which sounds to me like marginalizing community radio) I think everyone that has replied were simply addressing this statement and giving counterexamples. Knowing that you're not physically here, trying to educate you about the real state of radio today is the most positive response you could've received. Obviously you didn't take it that way. And of course you wouldn't take community and indy radio seriously, you're not listening to it. Point is, I don't have to wait till mills and garnier decide to get eclectic to hear sets like that. And that's what's really important. So instead of slagging markets that you don't patronize. Why don't you give us some insight into the state of Canadian radio, and why this type of mixing/programming is so rare to you? I'd be really interested to hear. Anyway, then Matt got all defensive and made comments like this: It's time people took community radio seriously as an alternative to the ClearChannel near-monopoly of programming. I disagree, I think it's time people took seriously the idea of PREVENTING or BREAKING-UP the ClearChannel near-monopoly of programming. So should we also stop watching independent films and instead put pressure on the major studios to produce more leftfield movies for fear that they will eventually kill the indy market? No. I think you misjudge the position. It's not a position of retreat, it's using the weapons at your immediate disposal to fight the battle instead of asking the enemy if you can borrow his guns. Nothing would make me happier than for you to become syndicated and available across the country, nationaly, but until then you're a niche within a niche, just like I am. Really? I thought he was an integral part of a decentralized force of underground disk jockeys keeping the spirit of free radio alive (with more listeners than some national radio stations cough brussels cough. Peace and chicken grease. Kamal K. Stoddard Turner Broadcasting Systems ** I am exactly what I wanted to become since I was 5 years old. Since 5 year olds are not noted for mature judgement and sometimes aspire to piracy or gunfighting, this is not necessarily a sign of success. **
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Stoddard, Kamal wrote: If you would defend your right to a free and open media marketplace as strong as you defend against a perceived slight against Matt's efforts then this would never be a problem. Fxck yerself. I went to 5 community action meetings with 2 including members of the fcc, where there was strong opposition to say the least. I'm talking -- Well hoo-fxcking-ray for you! Do you want a prize? I gave money to community radio for years, including WDET in Detroit. But I must admit I only did it for the free t-shirts in order to look cool. Do I get a prize too while we're giving them out? Granted it's a small country, probably the same size as the Chicago market that Matt services, but it's the idea. You're wrong again. When you're talking radio and exposure (which you are by the use of the word niche market) it's not the idea, it's the coverage area and the number of listeners. -- Belgium has a population of about 9 million according to the CIA. I suspect that Belgium national radio has about the same potential market size as community radio in Chicago. So market reach is about equal. Chicago community radio relies on the community for funding. Belgium national radio relies on involuntary theft from the pockets of all Belgians, who are probably better off for it. This leads to being able to PLACE national advertisements for Belgian national radio, which leads to, I will ASSUME, a larger actual market, and hence reaching more people. How the hell you can compare taxpayer-funded national radio with community-funded community radio on a quantitative basis is beyond me. I can see comparing it on a qualitative basis; I bet communnity radio the world over is more LOVED than national radio. Not true. What you said was, ...What's even more remarkable is that this, for so many reasons, would *never* happen on American radio these days. (which sounds to me like marginalizing community radio) I think everyone that has replied were simply addressing this statement and giving counterexamples. And it's true. Garnier and Mills would *never* play on US radio which has a similar market size of Belgian national radio, and I won't even get started on those spoiled Brits with their BBC and how large *their* market is compared to any community radio in America. I think the problem here is my phrase American radio and since many of you here have, or help with, great shows, playing great music on community radio you take offense at this, but come on, you can't be so obtuse. Let me show you the absurdity of what you're saying: Tosh: Mills and Garnier would never play a gig in Zimbabwe, the people are too poor. You: Oh no they are not poor, look and Robert Mugabe, he has planes and cars and servants, the people of Zimbabwe are very well-off. Well yes, Mills and Garnier could go and play for Mugabe and friends, but don't be so nit-picky, honestly, it demeans your intellect. I don't have to wait till mills and garnier decide to get eclectic to hear sets like that. And that's what's really important. So instead of slagging -- I NEVER said it was a great set, I NEVER said anything about the set except that it happened and that I doubted it would EVER happen in the USA. The fact that you jumped on their set and criticized it speaks volumes. Damn, this was NEVER slight against Matt's efforts and everyone involved in community radio. It was a pretty obvious (to me at least) slight against the state of American radio these days, controlled as it is by two companies, but mostly just one. Perfectly defining American radio as that controlled by these companies would make my posting too academic, so I rely on people to realize that when I say American radio sucks I rely on people to know that Matt MacQueen is not included. Tosh
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those spoiled Brits with their BBC teehee, I know we're spoilt. please be aware though that every single one of us pay for the BBC though, and its not an option, the government just take it straight from our wages. Not that I'm complaining mind, the BBC is cool. And now you can get a freeview box with extra BBC channels (BBC4 has great music documentaries sometimes), and extra digital radio stations. which is great. but - yeah - anyway, we do pay for it. Thanks Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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Someone on LD was talking about hearing X-103 played on Radio 1 lunchtime radio! Alex - they don't take it from our wages but we have a tv licence that costs £121 a year - well worth it IMO. The digital radio stations BBC 6 and One Extra are excellent too. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 4:16 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me those spoiled Brits with their BBC teehee, I know we're spoilt. please be aware though that every single one of us pay for the BBC though, and its not an option, the government just take it straight from our wages. Not that I'm complaining mind, the BBC is cool. And now you can get a freeview box with extra BBC channels (BBC4 has great music documentaries sometimes), and extra digital radio stations. which is great. but - yeah - anyway, we do pay for it. Thanks Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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I'd gladly pay that just not to have f*cking adverts every 5 minutes like on cable especially e4 -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 February 2005 16:19 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me Someone on LD was talking about hearing X-103 played on Radio 1 lunchtime radio! Alex - they don't take it from our wages but we have a tv licence that costs £121 a year - well worth it IMO. The digital radio stations BBC 6 and One Extra are excellent too. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 4:16 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me those spoiled Brits with their BBC teehee, I know we're spoilt. please be aware though that every single one of us pay for the BBC though, and its not an option, the government just take it straight from our wages. Not that I'm complaining mind, the BBC is cool. And now you can get a freeview box with extra BBC channels (BBC4 has great music documentaries sometimes), and extra digital radio stations. which is great. but - yeah - anyway, we do pay for it. Thanks Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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Alex - they don't take it from our wages but we have a tv licence that costs £121 a year ah yes, sorry - of course. well worth it IMO. Yep for sure, a bargain, and, get this, I even have a tv licence. The digital radio stations BBC 6 and One Extra are excellent too. agreed - lets face it, its a pretty top quality broadcaster all round. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
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Thank you John Peel! (RIP) MEK Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4.co.uk To [EMAIL PROTECTED], 02/09/05 10:19 AM 313@hyperreal.org cc Subject RE: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me Someone on LD was talking about hearing X-103 played on Radio 1 lunchtime radio! Alex - they don't take it from our wages but we have a tv licence that costs £121 a year - well worth it IMO. The digital radio stations BBC 6 and One Extra are excellent too. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 4:16 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me those spoiled Brits with their BBC teehee, I know we're spoilt. please be aware though that every single one of us pay for the BBC though, and its not an option, the government just take it straight from our wages. Not that I'm complaining mind, the BBC is cool. And now you can get a freeview box with extra BBC channels (BBC4 has great music documentaries sometimes), and extra digital radio stations. which is great. but - yeah - anyway, we do pay for it. Thanks Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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Okay Tosh, that's like saying it's time Americans got a new president, isn't it... And a lot of Americans did try. But rules for radio and media are set by the FCC, and the tone of their decision making is typically set by the administration. This is an administration that believes that corporations are good, monopolies are not really a big deal, and any kind of government intervention in such matters amount to some kind of pinko communism. Most Americans appear to believe this. So Clear Channel is probably what a lot of Americans deserve. It's framed as free speech, God forbid the government interfere with Clear Channel's right to free speech on radio waves it bought. The USA no longer has any notion of public good, except for freeways so we can drive our SUV's. There is no counter-philosophy in existence anymore which might challenge such thinking, or if there is, nobody reads about it because you won't see it in the corporate controlled newspaper. I'm taking a class with other adults on democracy right now, and almost all people believe that democracy and capitalism are identical. Any vaguely socialist idea must have something to do with gulags. However, when given the chance we do put lots of crazy stuff on the air waves. Community based radio IS the equivelant of the national radio that European countries have, that's why you here NPR (National Public Radio) news on the exact same stations that play techno or other types of adventurous programs. Not that NPR is so great, but that's just my opinion. You just can't compare the way Europe treats media to the way America is. Americans would never pay for a national radio that broadcast music most people probably hate. Americans don't want to find ANY kind of art via government means. Just remember, America is Europe's great utopian experiment! Good work guys... ;) Hey at least we invented house and techno and jazz and rock and roll right?! ~David -- Original Message - Subject: Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 12:38:40 +0100 From: Tosh Cooey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] You're all far too bloody defensive. If you would defend your right to a free and open media marketplace as strong as you defend against a perceived slight against Matt's efforts then this would never be a problem. As John Osselaer previously said: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The set is from Switch Studios which I guess is a radio station in Brussels, --- That's national radio for ya. Studio Brussel is the youth channel of the national radio. Switch runs every Friday and Saturday, I believe from 8pm till the early morning hours. We've had quality dance shows on national radio from the early nineties on (Teknoville) ... John National radio. One more time, national radio, which means that the entire country is exposed. Granted it's a small country, probably the same size as the Chicago market that Matt services, but it's the idea. National radio is more mainstream than community radio is all that I said. I NEVER slighted community radio. If you have proof of a counter-example then I'll concede. Damn... Anyway, then Matt got all defensive and made comments like this: It's time people took community radio seriously as an alternative to the ClearChannel near-monopoly of programming. I disagree, I think it's time people took seriously the idea of PREVENTING or BREAKING-UP the ClearChannel near-monopoly of programming. And everyone who suggests well we have community radio and the internet blah blah is being disingenuous, because that is a position of RETREAT, and the englobulators will not stop and let you have community radio and internet radio all to yourselves, they HAVE to grow otherwise their share price stagnates and they can no longer raise money from the markets, so they WILL GROW into your nice little world, or close your little world down. Anyway, Matt, don't be so defensive, what you're doing is great, and you know it's appreciated, just by proof of the amount of support you get. Nothing would make me happier than for you to become syndicated and available across the country, nationaly, but until then you're a niche within a niche, just like I am. Tosh -- McIntosh Cooey - Twelve Hundred Group LLC - http://www.1200group.com/ Robert Taylor wrote: I know lots of people over in the UK who listen to the show on the net and not all of them are 'heads' - I play the show in the office/library - my colleagues who usually listen to Audioslave and U2 appreciate it and visitors to the library ask what's playing so regularly that maybe I should get a 'now playing' sign to put on the hatch! -Original Message- From: Matt MacQueen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 2:14 AM To: 313 Cc: Tosh Cooey; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But rules for radio and media are set by the FCC, and the tone of their decision making is typically set by the administration. This is an administration that believes that corporations are good, monopolies are not really a big deal, and any kind of government intervention in such matters amount to some kind of pinko communism. -- I definately don't want to defend the current administration, but actually ClearChannel hasn't become what it is ONLY in the last five years. Hey at least we invented house and techno and jazz and rock and roll right?! Now this is something that bugs me. Some Europeans will often say America has no culture. But what do Europeans watch on TeeVee, at the movies, the music they listen to, much of modern minimalist art, AOL, etc. etc. etc. I always have to correct them by saying that actually America doesn't have a lot of *traditions* or *history*, relatively, but they export culture like nobody ever has. Fxcking ponces. Tosh
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You just can't compare the way Europe treats media to the way America is. Americans would never pay for a national radio that broadcast music most people probably hate. Americans don't want to find ANY kind of art via government means. America is quite hostile to artists and the arts in general. The general US public doesn't trust intelligent people (or those they perceive to be more intelligent than themselves). Europe is very different and maybe the polar opposite. Might be one of the reasons techno is so popular in Europe. MEK
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-Original Message- From: Tosh Cooey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 February 2005 17:23 Now this is something that bugs me. Some Europeans will often say America has no culture. I don't think you'll find any Europeans on this list who would often say that, this being a mailing list about music that sprang from a city in America. There probably isn't much ground for that sort of Europe vs USA debate here. It's certainly the case that mainstream media in America is far more commercially-oriented than it is culturally-oriented, but that's becoming the case in Europe as well as the media here becomes more - well - Americanised... Brendan
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I don't think any Europeans have said there is no culture in the US anyhow. Both Europeans and American enjoy a symbiotic relationship in this respect - a cultural cross-pollination where ideas and innovation flow here and there - someone in America innovates in an art form, sends it over to Europe, they f*** with it and send it back, and so on and so forth. Let's not get into a willy-waving contest about 'who's the most cultured' -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 5:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 Subject: Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me [WARNING POLITICAL] You just can't compare the way Europe treats media to the way America is. Americans would never pay for a national radio that broadcast music most people probably hate. Americans don't want to find ANY kind of art via government means. America is quite hostile to artists and the arts in general. The general US public doesn't trust intelligent people (or those they perceive to be more intelligent than themselves). Europe is very different and maybe the polar opposite. Might be one of the reasons techno is so popular in Europe. MEK # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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I disagree, I think it's time people took seriously the idea of PREVENTING or BREAKING-UP the ClearChannel near-monopoly of programming. So should we also stop watching independent films and instead put pressure on the major studios to produce more leftfield movies for fear that they will eventually kill the indy market? No. I think you misjudge the position. It's not a position of retreat, it's using the weapons at your immediate disposal to fight the battle instead of asking the enemy if you can borrow his guns. Yes, thank you. I really can't add much else to Kamal's words here... they articulated my feeling better than I probably could have. I guess Tosh maybe a tone I perceived set me off to a kneejerk reaction, but I'm so TIRED of of people telling me over the years it's just a tiny tiny niche, why bother in the US, etc, marginalizing the effect, all US radio is dead/worthless, etc. That's B.S. If I had a nickel for everytime I heard that... I'd be, uh, ordering lots more records. It's not a lost cause NOR is the solution is a singleminded coup (or outlaw) of ClearChannel. Personally I prefer to soak whoever will listen with music, over faxing the government protest letters and trying to prevent them.. god knows there are small armies of lawyers and politicians already trying to do just that.. and I bet those attorneys can't pack a crate or DJ for sh!t either... ha. But more power to them, there's no single silver bullet, there are dozens of good forward-thinking electronic music programs in the US.. check Beats in Space on WNYU, Crush Collision on WCBN, Small Change on WFMU, and as you mentioned Liz Copeland on WDET, etc.) Hell in Chicago there are probably at least 4 or 5 other shows I can think of that are pushing their own forms of future funk, deep house, techno, or whatever you want to call it... point is there ARE alternatives, and they're not pissing in the wind, many have powerful transmitters and prime airtime. ClearChannel is emerging as a bigger target than Micro$oft for anti-trust legislation, it's just that with the current administration in office, they are sitting well protected ...for now? For ever? But my personal position is do what you can with with you got on the air, it's (ok, I can't resist the UR-ism) a form of sonic warfare. The question is where are you most equipped to fight, and with what tools are you most effective? What inspires you? Does fighting corporations inspire you? Knock yourself out, I'd prefer to Rock the Discotheque, in your car, living room or via podcast. this is radio clash using aural ammunition this is radio clash can we get that world to listen? this is radio clash on pirate satellite orbiting your living room, cashing in the bill of rights. this is radio clash on pirate satellite this is radio clash -- everybody hold on tight!! PS -- Brave New Waves is pretty legendary, now sure there isn't massive population density up there, but who cares, they have like, what, 4 hours, EVERY WEEKNIGHT? That's a stunning amount of airtime, even if it's late night... music for interiors. It's hitting people upside their heads with indie labels. There are lots of formats and labels that would kill to have that kind of exposure... they must get promos by the truckload too. I have caught some of their interviews archived online too, they bring a depth to it a typical mixshow doesn't by having that much time to stretch it out. peace -- MM http://sonicsunset.com
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Here, here - Matt remind me to get you lots of cold hops soup when we are over in May for a Niche event in the D ;) M this is radio clash using aural ammunition this is radio clash can we get that world to listen? this is radio clash on pirate satellite orbiting your living room, cashing in the bill of rights. this is radio clash on pirate satellite this is radio clash -- everybody hold on tight!!
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Sorry I haven't followed all the details of this thread but I can speak from personal experience of meeting him and say that Matt has a solid knowledge of music that covers such a wide breadth it leaves me pretty breathless- his enthusiasm for the subject and willingness to actually get up and DO something to further other people's enjoyment and education also carries a lot of weight in my book- as anyone who's ever played excellent music in front of 20 people all night will know, its not about quantity, its all about the quality and Matt and Dave are ALL about the quality -I'm not saying you play to 20 people every week before I get an ear bashing Matt :) Jason On 9 Feb 2005, at 22:00, Matt MacQueen wrote: I disagree, I think it's time people took seriously the idea of PREVENTING or BREAKING-UP the ClearChannel near-monopoly of programming. So should we also stop watching independent films and instead put pressure on the major studios to produce more leftfield movies for fear that they will eventually kill the indy market? No. I think you misjudge the position. It's not a position of retreat, it's using the weapons at your immediate disposal to fight the battle instead of asking the enemy if you can borrow his guns. Yes, thank you. I really can't add much else to Kamal's words here... they articulated my feeling better than I probably could have. I guess Tosh maybe a tone I perceived set me off to a kneejerk reaction, but I'm so TIRED of of people telling me over the years it's just a tiny tiny niche, why bother in the US, etc, marginalizing the effect, all US radio is dead/worthless, etc. That's B.S. If I had a nickel for everytime I heard that... I'd be, uh, ordering lots more records. It's not a lost cause NOR is the solution is a singleminded coup (or outlaw) of ClearChannel. Personally I prefer to soak whoever will listen with music, over faxing the government protest letters and trying to prevent them.. god knows there are small armies of lawyers and politicians already trying to do just that.. and I bet those attorneys can't pack a crate or DJ for sh!t either... ha. But more power to them, there's no single silver bullet, there are dozens of good forward-thinking electronic music programs in the US.. check Beats in Space on WNYU, Crush Collision on WCBN, Small Change on WFMU, and as you mentioned Liz Copeland on WDET, etc.) Hell in Chicago there are probably at least 4 or 5 other shows I can think of that are pushing their own forms of future funk, deep house, techno, or whatever you want to call it... point is there ARE alternatives, and they're not pissing in the wind, many have powerful transmitters and prime airtime. ClearChannel is emerging as a bigger target than Micro$oft for anti-trust legislation, it's just that with the current administration in office, they are sitting well protected ...for now? For ever? But my personal position is do what you can with with you got on the air, it's (ok, I can't resist the UR-ism) a form of sonic warfare. The question is where are you most equipped to fight, and with what tools are you most effective? What inspires you? Does fighting corporations inspire you? Knock yourself out, I'd prefer to Rock the Discotheque, in your car, living room or via podcast. this is radio clash using aural ammunition this is radio clash can we get that world to listen? this is radio clash on pirate satellite orbiting your living room, cashing in the bill of rights. this is radio clash on pirate satellite this is radio clash -- everybody hold on tight!! PS -- Brave New Waves is pretty legendary, now sure there isn't massive population density up there, but who cares, they have like, what, 4 hours, EVERY WEEKNIGHT? That's a stunning amount of airtime, even if it's late night... music for interiors. It's hitting people upside their heads with indie labels. There are lots of formats and labels that would kill to have that kind of exposure... they must get promos by the truckload too. I have caught some of their interviews archived online too, they bring a depth to it a typical mixshow doesn't by having that much time to stretch it out. peace -- MM http://sonicsunset.com
Re: (313) Radio Fries - Don't Tread On Me [WARNING POLITICAL]
hi Europe treats media to the way America is. Americans would never pay for a national radio that broadcast music most people probably hate. Americans don't want to find ANY kind of art via government means. I'm not sure publicly funded broadcasts would get off the ground if they were being launched NOW, it's just a case that most people have grown up with them and accept them (in many cases as a neccessary evil they can't avoid like Income Taxes) Just remember, America is Europe's great utopian experiment! Good work guys... ;) eh...thanks Jason
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Ok so I am listening to an MP3 of Mills and Garnier playing their funk/rare groove/disco/rock'n'roll set. The set is from Switch Studios which I guess is a radio station in Brussels, which for the enlightenment for many Americans is in Belgium, where the waffels come from. What's even more remarkable is that this, for so many reasons, would *never* happen on American radio these days. Seriously, Americans seem so good at revolution, why not start a few, because the gall that many have to slight Europe, freedom fries honestly, seems so uh... misplaced at this moment and from this perspective. Maybe I'm wrong and seeing things funny. Tosh
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do you have a link for the mix? Somebody else posted in to 313 in the summer, no idea where from... who cares what happens on the radio and other maninstream corpoate owned media - we now have the internet, cheap broadband and mp3s. i use my ipod like a radio. there's a wealth of great mixes out there. today i've -- But it's exactly this kind of elitism that marginalizes electronic music culture in America. I mean no matter how much somebody dislikes Tiesto, he can still play a mainstream radio show in Europe, but I can't imagine anywhere this would happen in America, Canada included. The homogeny and hegemony seem too strong. Maybe you're right about the internet, and maybe Europe is just 15 years behind still, afterall Mills and Hawtin were mainstream radio regulars before. I guess it remains to be seen. downloaded matt mcqueen's latest radio show (a counter-argument to your claim that 'this' would never happen on american radio), a fabrice lig mix, an old mixmaster morris mix -- Matt's a great guy, but he's playing for a very very very small niche in a very very very small niche market, not exactly mainstream. ps. ' freedom fries'? so the republican party are a bunch of parochial torturers. what's that got to do with the average american? are you as a canadian responsible repsonsible for canada's absurd and disgusting censorship laws? I'm not too sure which ones you're referring to, but I hear that Canada is allowed to see a tit on TV. Wouldn't know, haven't been around. Tosh
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Sorry Michael, since Alex is not as lucid as previous I feel the need to try and fill his funny shoes, so I am forwarding this to the list, hope you don't hate me for it... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not too sure which ones you're referring to, but I hear that Canada is allowed to see a tit on TV. I live in the states and I saw a tit on TV the other day. It was giving a state of the union speech. MEK Was that a tit, or a git? Tosh PS. How do we judge Bush Jr. if in a relatively short amount of time mostly representative democracy flourishes in the Middle-East? Say ten years? It's like I tell my East German girlfriend when I want to rile her up, look baby, American Presidents are pretty good, Ronald Reagan saved your ass from Communism with his 'Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!' speech!
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I don't know what radio you listen to, but here in the atl, it's good. Dude, I heard that set and frankly, the excitement was more from knowing that jeff and garnier (techno old guard) still had the balls to play that stuff to the generally picky and elitist euro dance music crowds (yeh I still think dancing should be a learning experience). The music wasn't groundbreaking in it's programming or selection. I hear that kinda stuff on more than a few radio stations here (WCLK, WRFG, WREK, WRAS, etc). Completely deliberate eclectic programming spanning the gamut of music history. The reason this opinion of american radio persists is because of the ameriklan consolidation of media control. Clear channel dictates playlists for something like 70% of amerikkkan radio. College radio and independent (radio free) stations have always and (IMO) will continue to set the bar for wider consumption of eclectic and divergent tastes in this country. Total eclectisism may have been groundbre! aking when Mojo was rocking, but even though I wasn't in detroit back then we had More than a few cats who were doing the equivalent for our city. I remember hearing Kraftwerk, 2live crew, muddy waters, new edition, and parliament all in the same hour of less talk, more music. Now I'll tell you what was shocking, to turn on my radio in the car sometime last week (never do, I like the wind sounds) and hear a two hour set of drone and glitch ambient...at like 8:30 pm. Strange but true. Still not sure if I liked it though. ButI'll tell you what I do like! Joakim's remix of MR. No on New religion. Mr. Keeling!!! Please keep doing the thing you're doing with this label! The original is like italo horror core getting some in the bathroom at studio54. joakims version straps the beat down to a solid 4x4 and drops some arped synths that seem to compliment it in it's own rather than updating the sound per-se. Joakim takes a noticably lighter mood and the bass is clear and simple. Really nice. My kids really like this one too. :) Kamal K. Stoddard Turner Broadcasting Systems ** I am exactly what I wanted to become since I was 5 years old. Since 5 year olds are not noted for mature judgement and sometimes aspire to piracy or gunfighting, this is not necessarily a sign of success. ** -Original Message- From: Tosh Cooey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 8:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Radio Fries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do you have a link for the mix? Somebody else posted in to 313 in the summer, no idea where from... who cares what happens on the radio and other maninstream corpoate owned media - we now have the internet, cheap broadband and mp3s. i use my ipod like a radio. there's a wealth of great mixes out there. today i've -- But it's exactly this kind of elitism that marginalizes electronic -- music culture in America. I mean no matter how much somebody dislikes Tiesto, he can still play a mainstream radio show in Europe, but I can't imagine anywhere this would happen in America, Canada included. The homogeny and hegemony seem too strong. Maybe you're right about the internet, and maybe Europe is just 15 years behind still, afterall Mills and Hawtin were mainstream radio regulars before. I guess it remains to be seen. downloaded matt mcqueen's latest radio show (a counter-argument to your claim that 'this' would never happen on american radio), a fabrice lig mix, an old mixmaster morris mix -- Matt's a great guy, but he's playing for a very very very small -- niche in a very very very small niche market, not exactly mainstream. ps. ' freedom fries'? so the republican party are a bunch of parochial torturers. what's that got to do with the average american? are you as a canadian responsible repsonsible for canada's absurd and disgusting censorship laws? I'm not too sure which ones you're referring to, but I hear that Canada is allowed to see a tit on TV. Wouldn't know, haven't been around. Tosh
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i think alex bond should be getting props for all his good work with New Religion too. This was a private response so I edited out some stuff, but... Alright I'm not a dunce I swear, but I didn't know alex was doing stuff w/them. Well PROPS MAING, for doing yo thaing. New religion (and the dust fellas) has all but restored my faith that new labels can have vision and passion. For real. Thanks. yeah that joakim mix is wicked init? Yeh. Disco heat for real. Git down that picks you up. Kamal K. Stoddard Turner Broadcasting Systems ** I am exactly what I wanted to become since I was 5 years old. Since 5 year olds are not noted for mature judgement and sometimes aspire to piracy or gunfighting, this is not necessarily a sign of success. **
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ButI'll tell you what I do like! Joakim's remix of MR. No on New religion. Hey Kamal. I'm glad you like it! More soon. Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
