Re: (313) The Techno Wheel
Music is human social expression through sound. People intemperate music with trend in culture, for example electro/ '80s music is considered socially acceptable especially on this mailing list in comparison to old school techno. Both are 80's dance music genre's that use the same concept is composition style - drum machine + synthesizer + sequencer The Detroit sound or what people identify as the Detroit sound is very '80s in nature, Rolandesque synthesizer stings/ chords with keyboard portamento. Mixing Ron Trent Altered States with Anthony Philips 1984. on 7/25/03 12:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shake said to me last week that the only people interested in history are historians, I disagree :) I agree with Shake but then again, I love history too The amount of times we've played out at clubs and people have asked me what kind of dance music is this? or is this classed as techno?. I do know what you mean about putting things in a box but this is how the kids of today understand things and they are the ones who are going to be buying the tunes, the least we could do is give them a clue and keep it interesting. Kids of today??? F*ck man - this is how 99.9% of the people I know and talk to on a daily basis understand things. It ain't just the kids of today - LOL I get asked that question **almost every day** - if I had a dollar for each time someone asked me is this classed as techno or what kind of dance music is this... well, you know, I'd have enough money that I'd never have to cook at home. It isn't just kids of today that ask me this - unless you want to lump people in the age range of 23 to 50 into the category of kids of today. Personally, I don't care anymore for genres except in the very basic of descriptions. If people ask me those kinds of questions I tell them it's good dance music or tell them to call it whatever the hell they want. If they like it or not is all the matters. Actually, if I like it or not is all that matters first. Lets give them a box of cool stuff to download/read and if breaking it into waves or years makes it easier then I'm all for it.? hmmm, I'm pretty confident that if I did a search for something like this I'd come up with a few websites already, and some books, and a few magazine articles, and maybe even some very general/generic CDs as well that have done this. How cool would it be to have a disk like the one Greg Wilson sent you with all the mixes and interviews on about electro-funk :) Man, you'd be tooled up to win any argument with that kind of info My objective in listening and buying music isn't to win an argument. I think a historical/chronological order of music - while interesting from a anal trainspotting/educational point of view - would ultimately be counterproductive. People want to go out and have a good time, not be preached to. And sh*t, if they don't know what you're playing anyway do you think they'd suddenly have an epiphany and go Oh, he's playing classic techno from era 1985 to 1997 in order of artist's height from tallest to shortest. Wow what a genius!
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what point was your post supposed to be making? totally went over my head i guess :P Music is human social expression through sound. wow, this reminds me of that part in 'adaptation' where nic cage starts off the orchid book with the history of the world... People intemperate music with trend in culture, for example electro/ '80s music is considered socially acceptable especially on this mailing list in comparison to old school techno. Both are 80's dance music genre's that use the same concept is composition style - drum machine + synthesizer + sequencer what is your point? what isnt socially acceptable as comparison? what are you trying to say? what does composition have to do with your point? it's obviously not uniquely 80's. and you left out the sampler..are you just trying to say detroit techno is 80's music and nobody but us crazy fans really like it cus its not trendy anymore? The Detroit sound or what people identify as the Detroit sound is very '80s in nature, Rolandesque synthesizer stings/ chords with keyboard portamento. huh? you dont prescribe a style of music to a particular time according to the instruments it uses. classical music! thats so 1400's!! all them violins and violas.. if people had studdenly stopped using those sounds at a particular time then you can make such a comment, but as long as they're still in widespread use, thats just ridiculous to say...does anybody say rock n roll is 50's music, gibson guitars and marshal drums and blah blah! yeah right hahaha. how do you ascribe a time frame to a music thats about as alive now as it ever was, it makes no sense. except from a marketing/'commercial standpoint. i dunno what you're trying to say, anyways. anyways the idea of doing a chronological mix seems pretty misguided to me because songs dont come out in the order they're made (ie you're gonna play a record released in 1987, followed by one made in 1988, but the one in 1988 has music on it produced in 1986..)..music doesnt evolve or get released that linearly..i'd say just play it by ear and do a *roughly* chronological mix...i dont think its closeminded or stupid or anything its just one mix like you were saying..and besides i hear it done all the time.. jt _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
(313) The Techno Wheel
Shake said to me last week that the only people interested in history are historians, I disagree :) The amount of times we've played out at clubs and people have asked me what kind of dance music is this? or is this classed as techno?. I do know what you mean about putting things in a box but this is how the kids of today understand things and they are the ones who are going to be buying the tunes, the least we could do is give them a clue and keep it interesting. Lets give them a box of cool stuff to download/read and if breaking it into waves or years makes it easier then I'm all for it. How cool would it be to have a disk like the one Greg Wilson sent you with all the mixes and interviews on about electro-funk :) Man, you'd be tooled up to win any argument with that kind of info Last week in the studio, two of the DUST DJ's accused me of wanting to reinvent the techno wheel, why? Well I was doing things that they considered to be outside of what is deemed techno (one example would be a long snare roll), for me this music has always been about innovation, ideas, great art work, propaganda and the third record not about block building in Cubase or Logic, I think Tom MagicFeet wrote an article about all this and about the damage done my minimal techno - my point being 99% of the public think they know what techno is, the truth is only 1% of what they know is true and that would be the 4 to the floor side of it...we have no one but ourselves to blame... md hi martin, don't get me the wrong way, i think history of this stuff is very important and sometimes it's good to have this stuff down in a way that isn't jounalism with an agenda (see blogs stuff etc). i like the way you're headed with this tho. i'm complaining about waves in the same way i complain about genres, and microgenresi use em, as we all do, but it doesn't stop me thinking they prevent a certain creativity... (it's a mistaking the menu for the meal situation for me) peace robin... While I agree Robin, I'm not trying to make this into a year zero thing, no point really. What I'm interested in doing is getting a good list together of the players, doing a mix of the tunes and adding some biog info. We could always do a mix of tunes that influenced the first wave, there's plenty of references points and I know there's a couple of the early players lurking on the list, should be to hard. And if we through in a copy of Dan's book and a couple of articles for good measure, it should make it easy for people to get into the History and therefore push the present into the future.
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I do know what you mean about putting things in a box but this is how the kids of today understand things and they are the ones who are going to be buying the tunes, the least we could do is give them a clue and keep it interesting. Lets give them a box of cool stuff to download/read and if breaking it into waves or years makes it easier then I'm all for it. i see the angle you come from here (and i partially agree on the need) but i'm not sure you encourage people to find their own things if you classify it down and neatly package it like that...or give a good picture of how things were (if indeed there is a single view on how things were...which there isn't) detroit techno (to me) is not _just_ about the tunes produced thereit is more an approach to many different kinds of music and a way of playing them. it'd be difficult to illustrate that easily to people not familiar with the material, any kind of classification (into waves, or whatever) is just trying to verbalise a feeling from a bunch of records do i make any sense here or am i just griping cos it's pissing it down in manchester. :) all that said, if there is web-space for any of this stuff and someone puts the effort in then it can't harm can it? at the very least it'll spark some discussion...and maybe get a few more people listening to more interesting music. robin...
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written in a chilled voice, drinking tea I do know what you mean about putting things in a box but this is how the kids of today understand things and they are the ones who are going to be buying the tunes, the least we could do is give them a clue and keep it interesting. Lets give them a box of cool stuff to download/read and if breaking it into waves or years makes it easier then I'm all for it. i see the angle you come from here (and i partially agree on the need) but i'm not sure you encourage people to find their own things if you classify it down and neatly package it like that...or give a good picture of how things were (if indeed there is a single view on how things were...which there isn't) One of the things I've been playing around with is the idea of a VS with a couple of house DJ's up here, the idea being we play all the records in chronological order, should make for an interesting night of music. I would also argue that because there isn't enough quality history stuff around it would only help encourage people to dip into the back catalogue as well as purchasing new material. There's a new generation coming that will never go into a record shop, own decks, care about a 909 in mint condition, times move on - and we should also. If you add new stuff on the same page it can only help. How many times have you seen on this list new DJ's mentioned? Not many...Where are they or we happy just to keep talking about the same old stuff? Lets get it out of the way and focus on the present and future. detroit techno (to me) is not _just_ about the tunes produced thereit is more an approach to many different kinds of music and a way of playing them. it'd be difficult to illustrate that easily to people not familiar with the material, any kind of classification (into waves, or whatever) is just trying to verbalise a feeling from a bunch of records I was just thinking of doing a mix not a brand, music with always be subjective but there's no getting away from the facts or time they where released and it's a great way to present things - think about the music not the myth or politics :) do i make any sense here or am i just griping cos it's pissing it down in manchester. :) You do, it pissing it down here as well - but then again that's normal all that said, if there is web-space for any of this stuff and someone puts the effort in then it can't harm can it? at the very least it'll spark some discussion...and maybe get a few more people listening to more interesting music. I may need some help with some of the 12's but I'm up for itanyone else Martin
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Martin, I think you could be somewhat slightly losing your grip on feasibility or even desirability here: I mean listen to yourself: One of the things I've been playing around with is the idea of a VS with a couple of house DJ's up here, the idea being we play all the records in chronological order, should make for an interesting night of music. How desirable is that? Is that how your sets go? In chrono order?! It's pretty anal isn't it?!? Also, this whole idea of a sort of grandstand, to me is a bit poncey and preachy, a bit like the BBC really - 'mission to explain'!!! It reeks of patronization to say the least. As we get older it's natural that we calcify in our views and in our views about our deep felt experience. We sometimes come to believe that what we experienced could be more important than what younger (note emphasis, *younger*) folks are experiencing in their life of new and awe-inspiring music today. I'm not for interpolating (i.e. butting in!) as if to say: hey-up you lot, you don't know where it's at, listen to 'nude photo', et al. How uncool would you have felt that to be at age 18? Also remember, 'techno' or whatever you call it, has *always* been a cult, always been an aquired taste. And it's always been quite literally *difficult* to acquire, because the records have always been publicized in a narrow, low key way, *if at all* and mostly printed in razor-thin volumes, when compared to virtually any other genre. Sorry for the rant and I don't wanna get at you, especially you as natch it's folk like yourselveswho've always kept this damned thing alive - just wanted to bring you to your senses - *but* I'm prepared to admit that it's me who needs bringing to my senses -Original Message- From: Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 4:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) The Techno Wheel written in a chilled voice, drinking tea I do know what you mean about putting things in a box but this is how the kids of today understand things and they are the ones who are going to be buying the tunes, the least we could do is give them a clue and keep it interesting. Lets give them a box of cool stuff to download/read and if breaking it into waves or years makes it easier then I'm all for it. i see the angle you come from here (and i partially agree on the need) but i'm not sure you encourage people to find their own things if you classify it down and neatly package it like that...or give a good picture of how things were (if indeed there is a single view on how things were...which there isn't) One of the things I've been playing around with is the idea of a VS with a couple of house DJ's up here, the idea being we play all the records in chronological order, should make for an interesting night of music. I would also argue that because there isn't enough quality history stuff around it would only help encourage people to dip into the back catalogue as well as purchasing new material. There's a new generation coming that will never go into a record shop, own decks, care about a 909 in mint condition, times move on - and we should also. If you add new stuff on the same page it can only help. How many times have you seen on this list new DJ's mentioned? Not many...Where are they or we happy just to keep talking about the same old stuff? Lets get it out of the way and focus on the present and future. detroit techno (to me) is not _just_ about the tunes produced thereit is more an approach to many different kinds of music and a way of playing them. it'd be difficult to illustrate that easily to people not familiar with the material, any kind of classification (into waves, or whatever) is just trying to verbalise a feeling from a bunch of records I was just thinking of doing a mix not a brand, music with always be subjective but there's no getting away from the facts or time they where released and it's a great way to present things - think about the music not the myth or politics :) do i make any sense here or am i just griping cos it's pissing it down in manchester. :) You do, it pissing it down here as well - but then again that's normal all that said, if there is web-space for any of this stuff and someone puts the effort in then it can't harm can it? at the very least it'll spark some discussion...and maybe get a few more people listening to more interesting music. I may need some help with some of the 12's but I'm up for itanyone else Martin
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What's wrong with minimal techno? What kind of damage has it done? ~Dave -- Original Message - Subject: (313) The Techno Wheel Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 11:50:10 + From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Shake said to me last week that the only people interested in history are historians, I disagree :) The amount of times we've played out at clubs and people have asked me what kind of dance music is this? or is this classed as techno?. I do know what you mean about putting things in a box but this is how the kids of today understand things and they are the ones who are going to be buying the tunes, the least we could do is give them a clue and keep it interesting. Lets give them a box of cool stuff to download/read and if breaking it into waves or years makes it easier then I'm all for it. How cool would it be to have a disk like the one Greg Wilson sent you with all the mixes and interviews on about electro-funk :) Man, you'd be tooled up to win any argument with that kind of info Last week in the studio, two of the DUST DJ's accused me of wanting to reinvent the techno wheel, why? Well I was doing things that they considered to be outside of what is deemed techno (one example would be a long snare roll), for me this music has always been about innovation, ideas, great art work, propaganda and the third record not about block building in Cubase or Logic, I think Tom MagicFeet wrote an article about all this and about the damage done my minimal techno - my point being 99% of the public think they know what techno is, the truth is only 1% of what they know is true and that would be the 4 to the floor side of it...we have no one but ourselves to blame... md hi martin, don't get me the wrong way, i think history of this stuff is very important and sometimes it's good to have this stuff down in a way that isn't jounalism with an agenda (see blogs stuff etc). i like the way you're headed with this tho. i'm complaining about waves in the same way i complain about genres, and microgenresi use em, as we all do, but it doesn't stop me thinking they prevent a certain creativity... (it's a mistaking the menu for the meal situation for me) peace robin... While I agree Robin, I'm not trying to make this into a year zero thing, no point really. What I'm interested in doing is getting a good list together of the players, doing a mix of the tunes and adding some biog info. We could always do a mix of tunes that influenced the first wave, there's plenty of references points and I know there's a couple of the early players lurking on the list, should be to hard. And if we through in a copy of Dan's book and a couple of articles for good measure, it should make it easy for people to get into the History and therefore push the present into the future.
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25/7/03 2:41 PM Odeluga, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Martin, I think you could be somewhat slightly losing your grip on feasibility or even desirability here: I mean listen to yourself: One of the things I've been playing around with is the idea of a VS with a couple of house DJ's up here, the idea being we play all the records in chronological order, should make for an interesting night of music. How desirable is that? Is that how your sets go? In chrono order?! It's pretty anal isn't it?!? Not anal at all, I reckon it would be interesting and a challenge from a DJ point of view, plus the music would be pretty cool Ken - it's only 5 hours of music, not a life mission dude :) The drink would be flowing, the BBQ would be cooking - should be a sweet party - lets keep it interesting *LOL* Also, this whole idea of a sort of grandstand, to me is a bit poncey and preachy, a bit like the BBC really - 'mission to explain'!!! It reeks of patronization to say the least. I go back to what I mentioned earlier, when people ask what kind of dance music is this - DJ hands punter a card with URL, punter grabs the info and downloads - this is an information war! My stuff is always written in a calm voice, but sure sometimes I end up sounding like a Tw*T - so be it :) As we get older it's natural that we calcify in our views and in our views about our deep felt experience. We sometimes come to believe that what we experienced could be more important than what younger (note emphasis, *younger*) folks are experiencing in their life of new and awe-inspiring music today. I'm not for interpolating (i.e. butting in!) as if to say: hey-up you lot, you don't know where it's at, listen to 'nude photo', et al. How uncool would you have felt that to be at age 18? Your unlikely to see any youngsters in Sheffield at Techno do's Ken, it's not interesting or happening enough and if they are their it to get pilled into next week :( Also remember, 'techno' or whatever you call it, has *always* been a cult, always been an aquired taste. And it's always been quite literally *difficult* to acquire, because the records have always been publicized in a narrow, low key way, *if at all* and mostly printed in razor-thin volumes, when compared to virtually any other genre. While I agree that it a cult, it should become a cult of personality, and I've heard there's no decks in Heaven or Hell so all that music with never be heard by a new generation, that's a crime - even if its only to stop them making the same mistakes... Sorry for the rant and I don't wanna get at you, especially you as natch it's folk like yourselveswho've always kept this damned thing alive - just wanted to bring you to your senses - *but* I'm prepared to admit that it's me who needs bringing to my senses Feel free to go for it fella :)
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From Tom's review of Dan's book... Moreover, there¹s little discussion of techno¹s bastard offspring, such as gabber and trance. Yet if this book has a single overriding fault, it is that too often Sicko fails to make connections or carry his themes through boldly enough. He rightly describes minimalism¹s original impetus as an attempt to find the lost funk in techno, but fails to point out that the hordes of minimal loop records that followed have been techno¹s undoing and are probably responsible for any current difficulties. He identifies commercially successful groups like 808 State, The Prodigy and Underworld but fails to underline that their success came only by adopting the kind of rock¹n¹roll trappings many of the music¹s originators were trying to get away from in the first place. And while he discusses genres like drum¹n¹bass, ambient and post-rock, he cannot pin down their relationship with techno. All the same, these are just personal observations, probably the kind of thing Sicko intended to generate in the first place. With such a vast subject, generalisations or omissions are inevitable and everybody with an interest in the subject is bound to find something here to take issue with - if the music didn¹t inspire debate and strong feelings it probably wouldn¹t be worth listening to anyway. What¹s more, as I¹ve already pointed out, Techno Rebels¹ is not meant to be an encyclopaedia or a definitive history, simply because such a work could probably never be completed... md 25/7/03 2:55 PM David [EMAIL PROTECTED] What's wrong with minimal techno? What kind of damage has it done? ~Dave -- Original Message - Subject: (313) The Techno Wheel Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 11:50:10 + From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Shake said to me last week that the only people interested in history are historians, I disagree :) The amount of times we've played out at clubs and people have asked me what kind of dance music is this? or is this classed as techno?. I do know what you mean about putting things in a box but this is how the kids of today understand things and they are the ones who are going to be buying the tunes, the least we could do is give them a clue and keep it interesting. Lets give them a box of cool stuff to download/read and if breaking it into waves or years makes it easier then I'm all for it. How cool would it be to have a disk like the one Greg Wilson sent you with all the mixes and interviews on about electro-funk :) Man, you'd be tooled up to win any argument with that kind of info Last week in the studio, two of the DUST DJ's accused me of wanting to reinvent the techno wheel, why? Well I was doing things that they considered to be outside of what is deemed techno (one example would be a long snare roll), for me this music has always been about innovation, ideas, great art work, propaganda and the third record not about block building in Cubase or Logic, I think Tom MagicFeet wrote an article about all this and about the damage done my minimal techno - my point being 99% of the public think they know what techno is, the truth is only 1% of what they know is true and that would be the 4 to the floor side of it...we have no one but ourselves to blame... md hi martin, don't get me the wrong way, i think history of this stuff is very important and sometimes it's good to have this stuff down in a way that isn't jounalism with an agenda (see blogs stuff etc). i like the way you're headed with this tho. i'm complaining about waves in the same way i complain about genres, and microgenresi use em, as we all do, but it doesn't stop me thinking they prevent a certain creativity... (it's a mistaking the menu for the meal situation for me) peace robin... While I agree Robin, I'm not trying to make this into a year zero thing, no point really. What I'm interested in doing is getting a good list together of the players, doing a mix of the tunes and adding some biog info. We could always do a mix of tunes that influenced the first wave, there's plenty of references points and I know there's a couple of the early players lurking on the list, should be to hard. And if we through in a copy of Dan's book and a couple of articles for good measure, it should make it easy for people to get into the History and therefore push the present into the future.
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Listen to what actual Detroit DJs play. It isn't only a bunch of Detroit tracks. For that matter, I think people like Plaslaiko and BMG with his laptop set are ahead of what most of the older guys do these days. And they are not any wave, but they rock. Detroit music is about attitude and also about an eclectic and international approach. You have to understand it from the viewpoint of us people who are stuck in this sh*thole of the midwest. Europe is a very far away place for us. Americans are not cosmopolitan at all. So the Detroit style of techno is about sweet Detroit records in part, sure, but also about getting out of here, about having an open minded attitude that tries to stay on top of what's happening on the other side of the ocean even though you are the only person that has ever heard of it. And the other part about Detroit is, the hardness and the edginess, if you've actually been there you understand. The softer moments of Detroit music need to be contextualized with the background of this edginess. Sometimes I think people overseas create a version of Detroit that seems a bit less edgy. I think that this whole idea is a bit silly. Why not just play good records? How does it help Detroit music for you to make this artificial version of it? Make a new myth, make your own propaganda for your stuff, model after them if you want, but quit worshipping this stuff. It's just music in the end. On the other hand, if I was in the UK and you had this party, I would come and drink all your beer. ~Dave -- Original Message - Subject: Re: (313) The Techno Wheel Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 15:54:03 + From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 313@hyperreal.org 25/7/03 2:41 PM Odeluga, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Martin, I think you could be somewhat slightly losing your grip on feasibility or even desirability here: I mean listen to yourself: One of the things I've been playing around with is the idea of a VS with a couple of house DJ's up here, the idea being we play all the records in chronological order, should make for an interesting night of music. How desirable is that? Is that how your sets go? In chrono order?! It's pretty anal isn't it?!? Not anal at all, I reckon it would be interesting and a challenge from a DJ point of view, plus the music would be pretty cool Ken - it's only 5 hours of music, not a life mission dude :) The drink would be flowing, the BBQ would be cooking - should be a sweet party - lets keep it interesting *LOL* Also, this whole idea of a sort of grandstand, to me is a bit poncey and preachy, a bit like the BBC really - 'mission to explain'!!! It reeks of patronization to say the least. I go back to what I mentioned earlier, when people ask what kind of dance music is this - DJ hands punter a card with URL, punter grabs the info and downloads - this is an information war! My stuff is always written in a calm voice, but sure sometimes I end up sounding like a Tw*T - so be it :) As we get older it's natural that we calcify in our views and in our views about our deep felt experience. We sometimes come to believe that what we experienced could be more important than what younger (note emphasis, *younger*) folks are experiencing in their life of new and awe-inspiring music today. I'm not for interpolating (i.e. butting in!) as if to say: hey-up you lot, you don't know where it's at, listen to 'nude photo', et al. How uncool would you have felt that to be at age 18? Your unlikely to see any youngsters in Sheffield at Techno do's Ken, it's not interesting or happening enough and if they are their it to get pilled into next week :( Also remember, 'techno' or whatever you call it, has *always* been a cult, always been an aquired taste. And it's always been quite literally *difficult* to acquire, because the records have always been publicized in a narrow, low key way, *if at all* and mostly printed in razor-thin volumes, when compared to virtually any other genre. While I agree that it a cult, it should become a cult of personality, and I've heard there's no decks in Heaven or Hell so all that music with never be heard by a new generation, that's a crime - even if its only to stop them making the same mistakes... Sorry for the rant and I don't wanna get at you, especially you as natch it's folk like yourselveswho've always kept this damned thing alive - just wanted to bring you to your senses - *but* I'm prepared to admit that it's me who needs bringing to my senses Feel free to go for it fella :)
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Dave don't read too much into this, I did say it was only five hours of music not a life mission... 25/7/03 3:39 PM David [EMAIL PROTECTED] Listen to what actual Detroit DJs play. It isn't only a bunch of Detroit tracks. For that matter, I think people like Plaslaiko and BMG with his laptop set are ahead of what most of the older guys do these days. And they are not any wave, but they rock. Sure, but lets hear about them and get the mixes up :) Detroit music is about attitude and also about an eclectic and international approach. You have to understand it from the viewpoint of us people who are stuck in this sh*thole of the midwest. You should try Sheffield or Manchester mate, it where Gods finger stopped when he made this planet man :) Europe is a very far away place for us. Americans are not cosmopolitan at all. What's with NYC then, 16 fing bucks for a beer... So the Detroit style of techno is about sweet Detroit records in part, sure, but also about getting out of here, about having an open minded attitude that tries to stay on top of what's happening on the other side of the ocean even though you are the only person that has ever heard of it. And the other part about Detroit is, the hardness and the edginess, if you've actually been there you understand. The softer moments of Detroit music need to be contextualized with the background of this edginess. Sometimes I think people overseas create a version of Detroit that seems a bit less edgy. The waves things was only an idea to help get the music out there, kids want it easy these days, making it harder only cost us bucks... I think that this whole idea is a bit silly. Thanks, we brits are silly - check Monty Python :) Why not just play good records? Do that all day long, easy... How does it help Detroit music for you to make this artificial version of it? ? What by playing records in order for just one night, wish I'd never mentioned it now LOL On the other hand, if I was in the UK and you had this party, I would come and drink all your beer. Yeah right, you never been up north to a drinking party have you? But you are welcome if you think you can hold a gallon, eat a ton of meat and blaze away like a good 'en. Give me a shout if you are ever over or I'll drop you a line when I'm back in Detroit - loser pays the tab... :) md
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There's a new generation coming that will never go into a record shop, own decks, care about a 909 in mint condition... sorry but that is such a BS statement. It can be argued then that there is a new generation coming that will never go into an acoustic guitar shop or care about a pre-war Gibson either. This new generation has among it some people who will one day go into a record shop, own decks and maybe even plunk down well over 10 grand for a old classic guitar. I know when I was 15 I wouldn't have cared much about a 909 either - I was happy playing my Rickenbacher. sure, the majority of the new generation won't ever go into a record shop etc. but then again most of the people I know in my age bracket don't either. You're talking about very specialized areas of interest - I wonder if there is a ballroom dancing email list that having a similar discussion about the new generation? MEK
