Re: [313] Religious producers/DJ's (was: TERRENCE PARKER)
You know...I'm not totally convinced that its everyone else's fault that the younger djs aren't stepping up. Contrary to everyone's belief, being a dj and having it as a career is not as simple as it appears to be. There is a process you go through like everything else. You can't be a lawyer overnight, or a doctor or a construction worker or an artist. You can say I'm a be this, or I'm a be that but actually doing IT is something entirely different. I too know some individuals who are good but, come to discover, they lack the right mentality to succeed and you can't pass the blame for that. Its always some excuse but its lack of confidence, fear they might fail, laziness, procrastination, lack of discipline, no awareness etc, blah blah blah, on the individual. This is a game and you have to be a 'real' player to win. Look, I came across the Red Bull Academy website and found an article about Mr. James Barton of the Cream organisation in Liverpool and that guy pretty much said it all for me. Read it and weep. Quote -- ...there's a difference between being talented and being well known. Let me put my business hat on for two seconds: Being the best technical DJ, the best fantastic DJ is great. But if no one knows you, no one is going to pay to come and see you. So there's two jobs that need to be done. Most people have already got the DJ bit fixed. But in terms of exposure it's really difficult. There's a number of ways you can do it. You could make a record. A lot of DJs have been discovered through making a great record. You could start your own night, which was the norm 10 years ago when I was involved. When people wouldn't listen to me playing records, I started my own night. DJs need to be technically amazing, but they need awareness as well. It's up to them, in the early part of their careers, to develop their own awareness. Mind you, alot of these younger djs DON'T make their own productions. That's one problem. Even if its to get other prominent djs to play your music which is key, productions helps boost one's profile big time. Its got to be good too, not some mish mash. That don't count. Most importantly you need to be persistent. To play for an organisation or in a club like Cream you need to be pretty well known. You need to already have spent two, three years on the circuit, playing for 50, 100 or 200 people. That is part of the process of learning your trade. You can not expect to walk straight into Cream and play for 3,000 people on a million-pound sound system. There is a time and a point. For us it's a bit like watching a radar screen. Someone has to hit our radar screen before we give them a go. Ok, that's two, three years on the circuit, plus the time taken to perfect your skills. So give it...oh, 7-8 years tops. So you see that's why many 'old dudes' have long careers because the road to the promise land is a long, difficult one. You need to have that experience, you need to know how difficult it can be. It's f*cking difficult out there. It's really difficult to support yourself, to get the gigs. But it makes you a better, stronger person, a much stronger DJ. Whether you're a DJ or a businessman, you have to get round those things in order to succeed. When it's difficult, that's when you find out who the real players are. I'm a big believer in talent and that talent will always come through. Like a good record, it never goes away. It'll disappear for a while, but it will come back and it will keep coming back. The same applies to talent. But not unless you've got the desire and the will to keep coming back and take in rejections. You just need that total determination to keep going. Paul Oakenfold is a good example. He's got people who love him, he's got people who hate him. I've worked with him on and off for a long time and there's one thing that has always struck me about Paul: He is probably the hardest working person I've ever come across. He will go somewhere that nobody else will go. He will get on a plane and he will tour Peru if we asked him to tour Peru. Four or five years ago, when everyone was making a lot of cash here in the UK, he went to the States, dropped his fees and toured there. That's why he is now probably the wealthiest, highest-earning DJ ever. People like Oakenfold have been at the top of the game for 20 years and there is a good reason for that. The guys who are still here, who have been doing it for a long time, that's because they've took care of their careers. They might not be the most exciting DJs in the world but they're very professional, they conduct themselves in a certain way and you can rely on them. It's all about respect. If you lose respect for the people that you work with and you lose respect for the dancefloor, you're f*cked. The really cool guys[djs] are not interested in that. They'll still charge you an arm and a leg because they believe
Re: [313] Religious producers/DJ's (was: TERRENCE PARKER)
there are some old dudes who are still relevant. but there's a lot of them who are still djing just because they don't know what else to do with their lives. but they seem to have no interest in new music, new sounds, or new ideas. and that's why the new generation of kids (at least here in america) aren't flocking to events like they used to. now granted- its not all the djs fault. its the fault of promoters who won't take a chance and book new talent. and its also the fault of the public who only go check out a dj if its a tried and tested name. its a viscious cycle that is eating away at our music. yes- there are some exceptions. recloose is a new, young exciting name. the perlon guys are experiencing some new found popularity. i guess its mostly tied to production. if you can get you're records out there, you can get your name out. it just frustated me that i know so many great djs who could smoke the 'famous' dudes, but never get the chance. On Sun, 15 Sep 2002, glyph1001 wrote: Why should veteran jocks need to quit before they're ready to? If there's great young talent out there, then they can step up regardless of so-called tired jocks. Its up to the young djs with talent to knock the old guys out the box, not the old guys graciously stepping out of the way for them just because they're the younger generation. Just my 2 cents, g. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's actually a lot of tired old jocks (not saying TP is one) who need to retire so some newer, younger talent can step up. On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, T.J.Johnson wrote: Everybody retires at some point in their life! I bet that all of y'all people who are bitchin' about TP realizing his time are jealous that you can't retire after 20 years of service!!! I don't care if it is music or not. When something becomes your job, it is just that--your job. You will get sick of it. You will make enough money then quit happily!!! T! www.acidsonicresearch.com ~~go here www.mp313.com ~~and here PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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If someone has to retire so some younger talent can step up, them the younger talent may not be all that talented At 06:51 PM 9/14/2002, you wrote: There's actually a lot of tired old jocks (not saying TP is one) who need to retire so some newer, younger talent can step up. On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, T.J.Johnson wrote: Everybody retires at some point in their life! I bet that all of y'all people who are bitchin' about TP realizing his time are jealous that you can't retire after 20 years of service!!! I don't care if it is music or not. When something becomes your job, it is just that--your job. You will get sick of it. You will make enough money then quit happily!!! T! www.acidsonicresearch.com ~~go here www.mp313.com ~~and here PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Why should veteran jocks need to quit before they're ready to? If there's great young talent out there, then they can step up regardless of so-called tired jocks. Its up to the young djs with talent to knock the old guys out the box, not the old guys graciously stepping out of the way for them just because they're the younger generation. Just my 2 cents, g. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's actually a lot of tired old jocks (not saying TP is one) who need to retire so some newer, younger talent can step up. On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, T.J.Johnson wrote: Everybody retires at some point in their life! I bet that all of y'all people who are bitchin' about TP realizing his time are jealous that you can't retire after 20 years of service!!! I don't care if it is music or not. When something becomes your job, it is just that--your job. You will get sick of it. You will make enough money then quit happily!!! T! www.acidsonicresearch.com ~~go here www.mp313.com ~~and here PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sat, 14 Sep 2002, Lester Kenyatta Spence wrote: It's possible you are correct. But a few questions come to mind: 1. Are people, such as TP, who have become saved explicitly arguing that the only way that you can create inspirational music is through God? I'm sure there are people who hold that opinion. On the other hand, the broad range of music that I find genuinely inspirational -- Pygmy forest chants, East Indian classical music, house music, Gospel and Spirituals, Bach, Reggae, medieval liturgical music -- don't reflect any common theological viewpoint. Any musician or listener who thinks inspiration can only come from one idea of God is artificially narrowing their possibilities. 2. Are there people who have had epiphanies about the inspirational possibilities of music who do NOT believe in a higher being? My dad is a symphony conductor, my mom a composer. I grew up in a household surrounded by classical musicians. I've seen foul-mouthed, cynical, hard-drinking atheist classical musicians playing Brahms' Deutsches Reqium with tears streaming down their cheeks onto their instruments. A lot of musicians I know define God as being the thing they connect to through music. 3. Are there people who have NOT, like TP, had epiphanies but routinely produce uplifting music who themselves do not believe in a higher being? I think that there certainly must be. Uplifting music is never routine ;-) But I also think that religion is a shared language that describes something about the human condition that really can't be contained in definitions. If you don't have religion, you don't have a defining context for what the music does to you. Anyway here's my inspirational hit parade in no particular order: 1. Palestrina's Stabat Mater 2. Brian Eno's Spider and I from Before and After Science 3. Derrick May Strings of Life 4. Bach B Minor Mass 5. Brahms Deutsches Requim 6. Patrice Rushen Haven't You Heard 7. Wailers In My Fig Tree 8. Marian Anderson Lambs a Cryin and Tramping 9. Joan Armatrading Cool Blue Stole My Heart 10.Bach Unaccompanied Suites for 'Cello 11.Terrence Parker's Love's Got Me High If you heard any of the ceremony commemerating 9/11, Yo Yo Ma played a movement from the Bach Cello Suites when they were reading through the names ending in 'A' - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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theological viewpoint. Any musician or listener who thinks inspiration can only come from one idea of God is artificially narrowing their possibilities. h, ouch! I definately wouldn't go around saying that to the wrong person. There are plenty of people who credit God for their music and they might take HUGE offense to that. That seems kind of like saying that a christian is narrow-minded. T! www.acidsonicresearch.com ~~go here www.mp313.com ~~and here PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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People make crappy music and credit God for it. What makes them think God wants the blame for that, especially since they never cut him in on the publishing royalties? I just wouldn't have much to say to a musician of one religious persuasion who couldn't hear the inspiration in music by someone of a different persuasion. Music is music, and is only really about itself. On Sun, 15 Sep 2002, T.J.Johnson wrote: theological viewpoint. Any musician or listener who thinks inspiration can only come from one idea of God is artificially narrowing their possibilities. h, ouch! I definately wouldn't go around saying that to the wrong person. There are plenty of people who credit God for their music and they might take HUGE offense to that. That seems kind of like saying that a christian is narrow-minded. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: i have little problem with the idea of being positive or inspirational or uplifting. IMO the best music does that. i just dont see why belief in god is the way to do it. its possible to do those kinds of things without having any motive come from outside yourself. i see belief in god in this manner to be a crutch to someone who otherwise can't think positively for themselves. It's possible you are correct. But a few questions come to mind: 1. Are people, such as TP, who have become saved explicitly arguing that the only way that you can create inspirational music is through God? 2. Are there people who have had epiphanies about the inspirational possibilities of music who do NOT believe in a higher being? 3. Are there people who have NOT, like TP, had epiphanies but routinely produce uplifting music who themselves do not believe in a higher being? peace lks - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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There's actually a lot of tired old jocks (not saying TP is one) who need to retire so some newer, younger talent can step up. On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, T.J.Johnson wrote: Everybody retires at some point in their life! I bet that all of y'all people who are bitchin' about TP realizing his time are jealous that you can't retire after 20 years of service!!! I don't care if it is music or not. When something becomes your job, it is just that--your job. You will get sick of it. You will make enough money then quit happily!!! T! www.acidsonicresearch.com ~~go here www.mp313.com ~~and here PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Religious producers/DJ's (was: TERRENCE PARKER)
Hmm... this begs a question that i've been pondering for a while... How many (not to forget who) producers/DJ's are religious? I heard the Burden family is Jehova's Witnesses, but who else... And who are the atheists in our midst? And I guess since I'm posing the question, I should answer it too... I'm an atheist, but respecting and being interested in religion. Christian Bloch http://mp3.com/bloch http://www.mp313.com/christianblochmp313.htm Tresor/LL/Ungleich/AudioRiot/Restructured/Deep Night Essentials/Simple Muzik/Funque Droppings - Original Message - From: Wibo Lammerts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 9:02 AM Subject: [313] TERRENCE PARKER From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri Sep 13, 2002 2:49 am Subject: NEWS: TP's DJing career will soon be coming to a close! Greetings of peace everyone! Yes! It is true! I will soon retire from touring and having a DJ residency. This is not a joke! This is not a mistake. After more than 20 years on the WHEELS OF STEEL, my DJing career is coming to a close. I've been moving towards making this decision over the past 2 years. Now, I am in a place in my life where my relationship with GOD, my lovely wife, my gorgeous daughter, handsome newborn son, family and close friends, command that I pay attention to my own growth, development, and maturity. I imagine that I'll officially retire from DJing in 2003. Over the past 7 years, I've traveled all over the world, DJing in more than 100 cities. In those 7 years, I've averaged travel for a minimum of 45 weekends out of a 52 weekend year. That's a lot of time away from my family. On July 21st of this year, I was baptized in Jesus name, and received the precious gift of the Holy Ghost. On that day, the old TP died, and a new TP was born. Those who know me, know that I've been on this path of righteousness for quite sometime. I stopped smoking 12 years ago. I stopped drinking 2 years ago. I stopped cursing, swearing, and using GOD's name in vein 5 years ago. So this is nothing new. I've been religious most of my life. But now, GOD is leading me in a different direction. I plan to work heavily in the BUSINESS side of the music industry. I hope my contributions will help make a positive impact in the music industry. I'm not sure exactly how GOD plans to use me, and I am more uncertain of the new challenges I will soon face. But I know that according to Proverbs 3:5-6, I'll be just fine because I can do all things through Christ Jesus. This is not an attempt to force my religious beliefs on anyone. GOD's love doesn't flow like that. Instead, my purpose here is to share with you the miracle in my life, and the changes that shall be proven because of it. I'm not going to quit DJing tomorrow. I still plan to honor my commitments to DJ upcoming gigs in Iowa (USA), Germany, Japan, and other upcoming dates. I have a request to do a 30 city tour in 2003 with the man who released the first ever house record - Mr. Jesse Saunders! I'm also hoping to do a SPREAD LOVE DJ Tour with DJ Booming B in Germany in 2003. I just wanted to put all of you on notice so it wont be a surprise to those who truly care about me, my music, and my endeavors. So if you see I'm coming to your city or town, you better make certain you're there. If not, you might miss my final DJing performance in your area. If the right opportunity to DJ on the radio comes along, I might strongly consider this along with having my mixes featured on the internet. But I am just about done with touring as a DJ, or having a residency in any club. This brings me to my next announcement . . . . . I will spin for another 2 weeks at Tonic on Wednesdays, and then I will end my residency there. The staff, and everyone there has been great! The state of music in general has turned towards the worst! Artist and producers are releasing horrible records, DJs who can barely spin, or who have a limited knowledge and/or respect for music are getting paid enormously crazy amounts of money to DJ. And the masses of the people follow and worship them as if they were GOD. Back in the day, you could listen to the radio and hear songs about love and compassion. Now all day, everyday, major radio plays sex theme music that 3 and 4 year babies know all the lyrics and sexual dance steps to. The club/party scene is ruled by drugs. Very few people truly care about the music anymore. VERY SAD! I'm not perfect, but I've always tried to be positive. So my advice to all of the current and future aspiring DJs, please be mindful of the music you play. To the producers and recording artists, be mindful of the music you make. Those youthful in mind, body, spirit, and maturity are watching you! Don't let money be your motivation! DJing has been, and will always be part of me. If I never spin at another club or party again, I'll still go into my basement, and make a hot mix CD! Music
RE: [313] Religious producers/DJ's (was: TERRENCE PARKER)
Robert Hood is a Baptist (I think), and plays the organ at his local church on Sundays. I always imagine him belting out the chords from Rhythm... | -Original Message- | From: Christian Bloch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 3:21 PM | To: 313 | Subject: [313] Religious producers/DJ's (was: TERRENCE PARKER) | | | Hmm... this begs a question that i've been pondering for a | while... How many | (not to forget who) producers/DJ's are religious? I heard the | Burden family | is Jehova's Witnesses, but who else... And who are the atheists in our | midst? And I guess since I'm posing the question, I should answer it | too... I'm an atheist, but respecting and being interested in religion. | | Christian Bloch | http://mp3.com/bloch | http://www.mp313.com/christianblochmp313.htm | | Tresor/LL/Ungleich/AudioRiot/Restructured/Deep Night Essentials/Simple | Muzik/Funque Droppings | | | - Original Message - | From: Wibo Lammerts [EMAIL PROTECTED] | To: 313@hyperreal.org | Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 9:02 AM | Subject: [313] TERRENCE PARKER | | | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Date: Fri Sep 13, 2002 2:49 am | Subject: NEWS: TP's DJing career will soon be coming to a close! | | Greetings of peace everyone! | | Yes! It is true! I will soon retire from touring and having a DJ | residency. | This is not a joke! This is not a mistake. After more than 20 | years on the | WHEELS OF STEEL, my DJing career is coming to a close. | | I've been moving towards making this decision over the past 2 | years. Now, | I | am in a place in my life where my relationship with GOD, my lovely wife, | my | gorgeous daughter, handsome newborn son, family and close | friends, command | that I pay attention to my own growth, development, and maturity. I | imagine | that I'll officially retire from DJing in 2003. | | Over the past 7 years, I've traveled all over the world, DJing in more | than | 100 cities. | In those 7 years, I've averaged travel for a minimum of 45 | weekends out of | a | 52 weekend year. That's a lot of time away from my family. | | On July 21st of this year, I was baptized in Jesus name, and | received the | precious gift of the Holy Ghost. On that day, the old TP died, and a new | TP | was born. Those who know me, know that I've been on this path of | righteousness for quite sometime. | I stopped smoking 12 years ago. I stopped drinking 2 years ago. | I stopped | cursing, swearing, and using GOD's name in vein 5 years ago. So this is | nothing new. I've been religious most of my life. But now, GOD | is leading | me | in a different direction. I plan to work heavily in the BUSINESS side of | the | music industry. I hope my contributions will help make a positive impact | in | the music industry. I'm not sure exactly how GOD plans to use | me, and I am | more uncertain of the new challenges I will soon face. But I know that | according to Proverbs 3:5-6, I'll be just fine because I can do | all things | through Christ Jesus. | | This is not an attempt to force my religious beliefs on anyone. | GOD's love | doesn't flow like that. Instead, my purpose here is to share | with you the | miracle in my life, and the changes that shall be proven because of it. | | I'm not going to quit DJing tomorrow. I still plan to honor my | commitments | to DJ upcoming gigs in Iowa (USA), Germany, Japan, and other upcoming | dates. | I have a request to do a 30 city tour in 2003 with the man who released | the | first ever house record - Mr. Jesse Saunders! I'm also hoping to do a | SPREAD | LOVE DJ Tour with DJ Booming B in Germany in 2003. I just wanted to put | all | of you on notice so it wont be a surprise to those who truly care about | me, | my music, and my endeavors. So if you see I'm coming to your | city or town, | you better make certain you're there. If not, you might miss my final | DJing | performance in your area. | | If the right opportunity to DJ on the radio comes along, I | might strongly | consider this along with having my mixes featured on the internet. But I | am | just about done with touring as a DJ, or having a residency in any club. | | This brings me to my next announcement . . . . . I will spin | for another 2 | weeks at Tonic on Wednesdays, and then I will end my residency | there. The | staff, and everyone there has been great! | | The state of music in general has turned towards the worst! Artist and | producers are releasing horrible records, DJs who can barely | spin, or who | have a limited knowledge and/or respect for music are getting paid | enormously crazy amounts of money to DJ. And the masses of the people | follow | and worship them as if they were GOD. Back in the day, you | could listen to | the radio and hear songs about love and compassion. Now all | day, everyday, | major radio plays sex theme music that 3 and 4 year babies know all the | lyrics and sexual dance steps to. The club
Re: [313] Religious producers/DJ's (was: TERRENCE PARKER)
Hmm... this begs a question that i've been pondering for a while... How many (not to forget who) producers/DJ's are religious? I heard the Burden family is Jehova's Witnesses, but who else... And who are the atheists in our midst? And I guess since I'm posing the question, I should answer it too... I'm an atheist, but respecting and being interested in religion. I´m an atheist too... but most of the black people in Detroit do believe I guess... this probably dates back to the days of slavery?? somebody on this list must be able to explain? What does scare me.. is that in the US, there is on the dollar bills in god we trust this would never be tolerated here in Europe, because it is discriminating to the people who do not believe. And Bush saying: god is with us, with america and all that crap.. man... One would start to believe that all americans are religious. Cheerio, Maarten - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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... they're not 313 but they are Baptists: Phuture303. k -Original Message- From: Christian Bloch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 3:21 PM To: 313 Subject: [313] Religious producers/DJ's (was: TERRENCE PARKER) Hmm... this begs a question that i've been pondering for a while... How many (not to forget who) producers/DJ's are religious? I heard the Burden family is Jehova's Witnesses, but who else... And who are the atheists in our midst? And I guess since I'm posing the question, I should answer it too... I'm an atheist, but respecting and being interested in religion. Christian Bloch http://mp3.com/bloch http://www.mp313.com/christianblochmp313.htm Tresor/LL/Ungleich/AudioRiot/Restructured/Deep Night Essentials/Simple Muzik/Funque Droppings - Original Message - From: Wibo Lammerts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 9:02 AM Subject: [313] TERRENCE PARKER From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri Sep 13, 2002 2:49 am Subject: NEWS: TP's DJing career will soon be coming to a close! Greetings of peace everyone! Yes! It is true! I will soon retire from touring and having a DJ residency. This is not a joke! This is not a mistake. After more than 20 years on the WHEELS OF STEEL, my DJing career is coming to a close. I've been moving towards making this decision over the past 2 years. Now, I am in a place in my life where my relationship with GOD, my lovely wife, my gorgeous daughter, handsome newborn son, family and close friends, command that I pay attention to my own growth, development, and maturity. I imagine that I'll officially retire from DJing in 2003. Over the past 7 years, I've traveled all over the world, DJing in more than 100 cities. In those 7 years, I've averaged travel for a minimum of 45 weekends out of a 52 weekend year. That's a lot of time away from my family. On July 21st of this year, I was baptized in Jesus name, and received the precious gift of the Holy Ghost. On that day, the old TP died, and a new TP was born. Those who know me, know that I've been on this path of righteousness for quite sometime. I stopped smoking 12 years ago. I stopped drinking 2 years ago. I stopped cursing, swearing, and using GOD's name in vein 5 years ago. So this is nothing new. I've been religious most of my life. But now, GOD is leading me in a different direction. I plan to work heavily in the BUSINESS side of the music industry. I hope my contributions will help make a positive impact in the music industry. I'm not sure exactly how GOD plans to use me, and I am more uncertain of the new challenges I will soon face. But I know that according to Proverbs 3:5-6, I'll be just fine because I can do all things through Christ Jesus. This is not an attempt to force my religious beliefs on anyone. GOD's love doesn't flow like that. Instead, my purpose here is to share with you the miracle in my life, and the changes that shall be proven because of it. I'm not going to quit DJing tomorrow. I still plan to honor my commitments to DJ upcoming gigs in Iowa (USA), Germany, Japan, and other upcoming dates. I have a request to do a 30 city tour in 2003 with the man who released the first ever house record - Mr. Jesse Saunders! I'm also hoping to do a SPREAD LOVE DJ Tour with DJ Booming B in Germany in 2003. I just wanted to put all of you on notice so it wont be a surprise to those who truly care about me, my music, and my endeavors. So if you see I'm coming to your city or town, you better make certain you're there. If not, you might miss my final DJing performance in your area. If the right opportunity to DJ on the radio comes along, I might strongly consider this along with having my mixes featured on the internet. But I am just about done with touring as a DJ, or having a residency in any club. This brings me to my next announcement . . . . . I will spin for another 2 weeks at Tonic on Wednesdays, and then I will end my residency there. The staff, and everyone there has been great! The state of music in general has turned towards the worst! Artist and producers are releasing horrible records, DJs who can barely spin, or who have a limited knowledge and/or respect for music are getting paid enormously crazy amounts of money to DJ. And the masses of the people follow and worship them as if they were GOD. Back in the day, you could listen to the radio and hear songs about love and compassion. Now all day, everyday, major radio plays sex theme music that 3 and 4 year babies know all the lyrics and sexual dance steps to. The club/party scene is ruled by drugs. Very few people truly care about the music anymore. VERY SAD! I'm not perfect, but I've always tried to be positive. So my advice to all of the current and future aspiring DJs, please be mindful of the music you play. To the producers and recording artists, be mindful of the music you make. Those youthful
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man.. most of the albums coming from detroit or chicago have the lines: thanks to: god, ... or something in that line gene farris, paul johnson, dj sneak, theo parrish, larry heard, lil´ louis, . check your liner notes! Cheers, M - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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easier might be to point out any exceptions to this rule: every black producer = religious/spiritual every white producer = atheist and you wonder what gives a track Soul? hansi (=mixed race, you can't even diss me ;) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On another similar tip, I went to see mike dunn and armando and asked them if they had ever done drugs... Because of the nature of their tracks... I got an instant no *jeez..what would they have made if they had of ? man.. most of the albums coming from detroit or chicago have the lines: thanks to: god, ... or something in that line gene farris, paul johnson, dj sneak, theo parrish, larry heard, lil´ louis, . check your liner notes! Cheers, M - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It's nice to see music having more of a spiritual feel to it tho... Same thing with Hip Hop. Just like B!tches-n-Money gets old, so does BUMP-TSS with no soul. -Original Message- From: Maarten Baute [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 10:42 AM To: Odeluga, Ken; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org Subject: Re: [313] Religious producers/DJ's (was: TERRENCE PARKER) man.. most of the albums coming from detroit or chicago have the lines: thanks to: god, ... or something in that line gene farris, paul johnson, dj sneak, theo parrish, larry heard, lil´ louis, . check your liner notes! Cheers, M - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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p dircon: On another similar tip, I went to see mike dunn and armando and asked them if they had ever done drugs... Because of the nature of their tracks... I got an instant no Josh Wink also says he's a clean head. He also had a spaced-out track called 'Hard Hit' (1997). I personally take with a pinch of salt (the hardest thing I've ever taken of course ;o) folks who claim *never* to have used 'drugs.' (By which I mean *any* drug from the hard to soft, relatively harmful to relatively harmless. I mean, be wise but get real, please. MAY I REQUEST NO THREAD ON DRUGS. Thx, k - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Also an interesting artist for this topic is Chris Korda who is the founder oh his Church of Euthanasia He also has some 'interesting' views on live :) At 16:41 +0200 13-09-2002, Maarten Baute wrote: man.. most of the albums coming from detroit or chicago have the lines: thanks to: god, ... or something in that line gene farris, paul johnson, dj sneak, theo parrish, larry heard, lil´ louis, . check your liner notes! Cheers, M - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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In Woody Allen's movie 'Hannah and Her Sisters' Max Von Sydow delivers a line that sums up my feelings about Bush's putative christianity: If Jesus Christ came back and saw what people were doing in His name, he'd never stop throwing up. I think there are a lot of people in 'the scene' who are more religious than you might imagine. They just don't feel it's their place to proselytize. On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, Maarten Baute wrote: And Bush saying: god is with us, with america and all that crap.. man... One would start to believe that all americans are religious. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I never thought it could happen, but the 'I Like To Watch' video made me physically ill. And the music was wack too. On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, Klaas-Jan Jongsma wrote: Also an interesting artist for this topic is Chris Korda who is the founder oh his Church of Euthanasia He also has some 'interesting' views on live :) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I never thought it could happen, but the 'I Like To Watch' video made me physically ill. And the music was wack too. me too... his statement SUCKS... he is hurting a lot of people by doing this video.. and he is also hurting my ears! just another media stunt or something - CANCEL! And besides... seeing all those cumshots was no good for me too ;) Cheers, Maarten - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, Christian Bloch wrote: Hmm... this begs a question that i've been pondering for a while... How many (not to forget who) producers/DJ's are religious? I heard the Burden family is Jehova's Witnesses, but who else... And who are the atheists in our midst? And I guess since I'm posing the question, I should answer it too... I'm an atheist, but respecting and being interested in religion. I think Farley has become saved. Either him or Frankie Knuckles...get the two confused sometimes. I've been knocking my head about this for a while. The most intensely religious experiences I've ever had have been (with one or two exceptions) on the dance floor, listening to house and techno. The reason that people worship or more appropriately pay reverance to the DJ is because the DJ is the modern shaman/priest. The first person to recognize that DJ'ing CAN be a godly force will be able to move MOUNTAINS, both artistically and otherwise. Curt Franklin (sp?) got it all wrong when he tried to introduce people to Christianity through hip-hop and new hack swing (pun intended). He should've been using house. peace lks - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, Maarten Baute wrote: Hmm... this begs a question that i've been pondering for a while... How many (not to forget who) producers/DJ's are religious? I heard the Burden family is Jehova's Witnesses, but who else... And who are the atheists in our midst? And I guess since I'm posing the question, I should answer it too... I'm an atheist, but respecting and being interested in religion. I?m an atheist too... but most of the black people in Detroit do believe I guess... this probably dates back to the days of slavery?? somebody on this list must be able to explain? As most black people in Detroit are Americans, and most Americans are Christian (at least this is what they say on surveys), we don't need to go back to slavery to understand this phenomenon. What does scare me.. is that in the US, there is on the dollar bills in god we trust this would never be tolerated here in Europe, because it is discriminating to the people who do not believe. Yep. I believe there was a big brouhaha about this back in the day. And Bush saying: god is with us, with america and all that crap.. man... One would start to believe that all americans are religious. No...but one would start to believe that Americans are very very arrogant to believe that God is with America, but not anyone else peace lks - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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another interesting TP post: Hello Everyone, and peace be with you! Music is a very important part of praising the LORD. I am not against all secular music. Like you, I agree that one should not completely close one's ear to secular music, for GOD is present everywhere! One might miss out on some beautiful messages of love, hope, and inspiration if they completely turn their back on the world. Before I got saved, I use to feel like people in the church were judging me, and looking down on me because of my DJing. Now that I'm saved, I know that people are human first, and everyone (including people in church) are going to have an opinion about you no matter what you do. The key for me is knowing that whatever I do is right with GOD first. This is all that matters to me. So I don't want anyone to think that someone TOLD me to stop DJing in clubs and raves. I prayed about this to the LORD. I asked him to lead and guide me, so that my ways will be pleasing to him. This is what GOD laid upon my heart. HE is going to continue my path in music, but on a much higher lever. Far beyond my own expectations (one important thing about GOD is that in his word, there is no glass ceiling). All of these years, I have ministered to people through music. GOD wants me to continue in this. But he has a higher calling for me now. So I cannot continue in the ways of my yesterdays. Instead, I must trust in the LORD to see me through today, and my tomorrows. I know he doesn't want me to completely abandon secular music. But I must be mindful of what I play, what I produce, and how I deliver it to the flock. For example, this past Wednesday (September 11th) at Club TONIC, I played Aint No Stoppin' Us Now by McFadden Whitehead. This is a disco classic originally released on Philadelphia International Records in 1979. The song LOVE by RB artist Musiq is one of my more recent favorites. However, it's hard to see how one can get positive inspiration from Nelly's It's Hot In Here. So there has to be a proper balance, and a fine, carefully drawn line. I am not giving up music or DJing completely. Although I am really moved by Gospel Music, I really enjoy listening to all forms of music that is uplifting and positive. I currently see myself as an INSPIRATIONAL DJ. I am one who enjoys INSPIRATIONAL MUSIC. This doesn't mean that one can only find GOD in Gospel music. After all, you can't put GOD in a box. I'm just saying that I will not be DJing, or producing music in the same manner that most people have come to know me for. Now if someone asks me to spin at a Christian Rave, Christian Night Club (yes, there are such things), or other events which promote INSPIRATION or POSITIVITY, I will most likely say YES! But if a promoter wants me to come spin just because I've got skills, and wants me to blow up the spot to get the crowd hype, then my answer will be no. Those days are over. I will only blow up the spot for Jesus! Back in the early days of HOUSE Music, if the music felt good to a person and they began to shout, we would say they caught the House Ghost. Now, if I DJ at an event, I want people to catch the HOLY GHOST! I am still MAKING PRODUCING MUSIC. In fact, I recently finished a Gospel House remix of Karen Clark Sheard's I Wont Let Go which is from her new CD entitled 2nd Chance (Elektra Records). Karen was part of the internationally famous Detroit Gospel group, The Clark Sisters. I will continue to make music, and do remixes for anything I feel is INSPIRATIONAL. In other words, you won't hear me doing a remix for Ludacris' Move [EMAIL PROTECTED]. However, before I was saved, I did remixes for Eminem's Without Me. Although people at Universal Music (Eminem's MAIN distributor) told me they loved the remixes, the staff at Shady/Aftermath/Interscope Records decided not to use them. I thank GOD for that. Obviously, that was not the path GOD wanted me on. Regarding touring as a DJ, spinning in clubs and raves, I just don't feel the enthusiasm to be in that environment anymore. This is not to put down anyone who does. In the middle of all the alcohol and drug use that goes on in these venues, I was able to be a positive light in the midst of darkness. I tried my best to be someone people can look up to. I've had my moments of FALLING DOWN. Two years ago at Shake's Benefit Party @ Motor here in Detroit, I got so drunk that I had to be carried out of the club by DJ/Producer Mike Clark and driven home by DJ T.Linder and Superstar Sally (his girlfriend at that time). I had an epiphany that following morning (while feeling sick ALL DAY), and I decided not to drink ever again. It's been two (2) years now, and I haven't had a drink since. The deepest part of that experience is knowing that GOD was with me then even though I still had not given my life to him. He kept his angels around me in the form of Mike Clark, T.Linder, Superstar Sally, Al Oldham, and others. I love each and every one of those people who helped me that night.
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I've had my moments of FALLING DOWN. Two years ago at Shake's Benefit Party @ Motor here in Detroit, I got so drunk that I had to be carried out of the club by DJ/Producer Mike Clark and driven home by DJ T.Linder and Superstar Sally (his girlfriend at that time). I had an epiphany that following morning (while feeling sick ALL DAY), and I decided not to drink ever again. It's been two (2) years now, and I haven't had a drink since. The deepest part of that experience is knowing that GOD was with me then even though I still had not given my life to him. He kept his angels around me in the form of Mike Clark, T.Linder, Superstar Sally, Al Oldham, and others. I love each and every one of those people who helped me that night. GOD knew my heart and spared me from harm that night. Now I am saved, sanctified, and filled with the Holy Ghost! You know it's a bad hangover when you wake up and have an epiphany! I wonder what his views on DJ assault, booty etc are? I don't think any collaborations are planned? -- Mike - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Friday, September 13, 2002, 8:21:27 AM, a knob was tweaked and out came: CB Hmm... this begs a question that i've been pondering for a while... How many CB (not to forget who) producers/DJ's are religious? I heard the Burden family CB is Jehova's Witnesses, but who else... And who are the atheists in our CB midst? And I guess since I'm posing the question, I should answer it CB too... I'm an atheist, but respecting and being interested in religion. I suppose its ironic for an atheist to have a record coming out on Digital Soul :) To me, soul means basic human emotion . . . its that deep-running current of sadness and mortality that makes Detroit techno so sweet, at least to my ear. Anybody can have that kind of soul . . . you've just got filter out the social bullshit around you and find it on your own terms. When emotion is forced into the music, then it ain't soul. Whether you marvel at god's creation or at the sheer scope and chaos of the universe, its still the same emotion you're feeling. The basic feelings expressed by techno music are common to everyone, regardless of worldview. I think its possible to genuinely appreciate Claude Young's Gates of the Afterlife even if you don't believe in one. Being atheist isn't something I'd ever stamp on my work . . . that would make about as much sense as randomly listing other things I don't believe in in my liner notes . . . I'd like to thank my mom, my pop, my sis, and by the way, I don't like pizza - Brian balistic Prince http://www.bprince.com - art and techno Strokes of Defiance EP . . . soon. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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AMEN! On Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:36:15 -0400 Darren Longton (Merch) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's nice to see music having more of a spiritual feel to it tho... Same thing with Hip Hop. Just like B!tches-n-Money gets old, so does BUMP-TSS with no soul. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I dont believe in god in the typical sense... I think there is a common set of instinctive beliefs in us all that embodies and comprises a collective god I dont think this is an entity to which I answer to and no, I dont think there is heaven or hell. nice security blanket, nice reason to get up in the morning, but I dont buy it :) my 2 cents, no flames please -Joe - Original Message - From: Christian Bloch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 9:21 AM Subject: [313] Religious producers/DJ's (was: TERRENCE PARKER) Hmm... this begs a question that i've been pondering for a while... How many (not to forget who) producers/DJ's are religious? I heard the Burden family is Jehova's Witnesses, but who else... And who are the atheists in our midst? And I guess since I'm posing the question, I should answer it too... I'm an atheist, but respecting and being interested in religion. Christian Bloch http://mp3.com/bloch http://www.mp313.com/christianblochmp313.htm Tresor/LL/Ungleich/AudioRiot/Restructured/Deep Night Essentials/Simple Muzik/Funque Droppings - Original Message - From: Wibo Lammerts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 9:02 AM Subject: [313] TERRENCE PARKER From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri Sep 13, 2002 2:49 am Subject: NEWS: TP's DJing career will soon be coming to a close! Greetings of peace everyone! Yes! It is true! I will soon retire from touring and having a DJ residency. This is not a joke! This is not a mistake. After more than 20 years on the WHEELS OF STEEL, my DJing career is coming to a close. I've been moving towards making this decision over the past 2 years. Now, I am in a place in my life where my relationship with GOD, my lovely wife, my gorgeous daughter, handsome newborn son, family and close friends, command that I pay attention to my own growth, development, and maturity. I imagine that I'll officially retire from DJing in 2003. Over the past 7 years, I've traveled all over the world, DJing in more than 100 cities. In those 7 years, I've averaged travel for a minimum of 45 weekends out of a 52 weekend year. That's a lot of time away from my family. On July 21st of this year, I was baptized in Jesus name, and received the precious gift of the Holy Ghost. On that day, the old TP died, and a new TP was born. Those who know me, know that I've been on this path of righteousness for quite sometime. I stopped smoking 12 years ago. I stopped drinking 2 years ago. I stopped cursing, swearing, and using GOD's name in vein 5 years ago. So this is nothing new. I've been religious most of my life. But now, GOD is leading me in a different direction. I plan to work heavily in the BUSINESS side of the music industry. I hope my contributions will help make a positive impact in the music industry. I'm not sure exactly how GOD plans to use me, and I am more uncertain of the new challenges I will soon face. But I know that according to Proverbs 3:5-6, I'll be just fine because I can do all things through Christ Jesus. This is not an attempt to force my religious beliefs on anyone. GOD's love doesn't flow like that. Instead, my purpose here is to share with you the miracle in my life, and the changes that shall be proven because of it. I'm not going to quit DJing tomorrow. I still plan to honor my commitments to DJ upcoming gigs in Iowa (USA), Germany, Japan, and other upcoming dates. I have a request to do a 30 city tour in 2003 with the man who released the first ever house record - Mr. Jesse Saunders! I'm also hoping to do a SPREAD LOVE DJ Tour with DJ Booming B in Germany in 2003. I just wanted to put all of you on notice so it wont be a surprise to those who truly care about me, my music, and my endeavors. So if you see I'm coming to your city or town, you better make certain you're there. If not, you might miss my final DJing performance in your area. If the right opportunity to DJ on the radio comes along, I might strongly consider this along with having my mixes featured on the internet. But I am just about done with touring as a DJ, or having a residency in any club. This brings me to my next announcement . . . . . I will spin for another 2 weeks at Tonic on Wednesdays, and then I will end my residency there. The staff, and everyone there has been great! The state of music in general has turned towards the worst! Artist and producers are releasing horrible records, DJs who can barely spin, or who have a limited knowledge and/or respect for music are getting paid enormously crazy amounts of money to DJ. And the masses of the people follow and worship them as if they were GOD. Back in the day, you could listen to the radio and hear songs about love and compassion. Now all day, everyday, major radio plays sex theme music that 3
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No there probably won't be any collaborations but this makes me think why is sex so bad in the eyes of Christians? I know it all comes down to creationism vs. evolution - but really in the end it's about the state controlling the masses. Religion is just a means of making everyone fall in line - not a way of keeping you from FALLING DOWN. You can be spiritual without being religious so it's really sad for me to read TP's words. His music has always been quite spiritual for me and now I have a feeling it's going to just be religious. Spiritual music has a voodoo quality to it that makes you move your body (I don't mean that in any negative way) and is sexual because sex is part of Life, part of what it means to be a human - religious music removes all that in the name of making you this sterile, sexless, vessel of the Lord. If he only wants to play to Christians then fine - preach to the converted then... go hide yourself away, pull out of society. Even Jesus walked among the sinful because he knew even he was not free from sin (whatever that is). Religion is the opium of the masses. MEK Michael Lees [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: K cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Religious producers/DJ's (was: TERRENCE PARKER) 09/13/02 10:48 AM I've had my moments of FALLING DOWN. Two years ago at Shake's Benefit Party @ Motor here in Detroit, I got so drunk that I had to be carried out of the club by DJ/Producer Mike Clark and driven home by DJ T.Linder and Superstar Sally (his girlfriend at that time). I had an epiphany that following morning (while feeling sick ALL DAY), and I decided not to drink ever again. It's been two (2) years now, and I haven't had a drink since. The deepest part of that experience is knowing that GOD was with me then even though I still had not given my life to him. He kept his angels around me in the form of Mike Clark, T.Linder, Superstar Sally, Al Oldham, and others. I love each and every one of those people who helped me that night. GOD knew my heart and spared me from harm that night. Now I am saved, sanctified, and filled with the Holy Ghost! You know it's a bad hangover when you wake up and have an epiphany! I wonder what his views on DJ assault, booty etc are? I don't think any collaborations are planned? -- Mike - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Is is true that in some US high schools you're not allowed to teach the widely-accepted scientific fact of evolution 'cos it might upset the bible bashers, who have no objection to having their kids taught to hate and discriminate? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 4:37 PM To: Michael Lees Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Religious producers/DJ's (was: TERRENCE PARKER) No there probably won't be any collaborations but this makes me think why is sex so bad in the eyes of Christians? I know it all comes down to creationism vs. evolution - but really in the end it's about the state controlling the masses. Religion is just a means of making everyone fall in line - not a way of keeping you from FALLING DOWN. You can be spiritual without being religious so it's really sad for me to read TP's words. His music has always been quite spiritual for me and now I have a feeling it's going to just be religious. Spiritual music has a voodoo quality to it that makes you move your body (I don't mean that in any negative way) and is sexual because sex is part of Life, part of what it means to be a human - religious music removes all that in the name of making you this sterile, sexless, vessel of the Lord. If he only wants to play to Christians then fine - preach to the converted then... go hide yourself away, pull out of society. Even Jesus walked among the sinful because he knew even he was not free from sin (whatever that is). Religion is the opium of the masses. MEK Michael Lees [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: K cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Religious producers/DJ's (was: TERRENCE PARKER) 09/13/02 10:48 AM I've had my moments of FALLING DOWN. Two years ago at Shake's Benefit Party @ Motor here in Detroit, I got so drunk that I had to be carried out of the club by DJ/Producer Mike Clark and driven home by DJ T.Linder and Superstar Sally (his girlfriend at that time). I had an epiphany that following morning (while feeling sick ALL DAY), and I decided not to drink ever again. It's been two (2) years now, and I haven't had a drink since. The deepest part of that experience is knowing that GOD was with me then even though I still had not given my life to him. He kept his angels around me in the form of Mike Clark, T.Linder, Superstar Sally, Al Oldham, and others. I love each and every one of those people who helped me that night. GOD knew my heart and spared me from harm that night. Now I am saved, sanctified, and filled with the Holy Ghost! You know it's a bad hangover when you wake up and have an epiphany! I wonder what his views on DJ assault, booty etc are? I don't think any collaborations are planned? -- Mike - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Religious producers/DJ's (was: TERRENCE PARKER)
Sorry - no offense to TP - he does what he needs to get by but really... stop using a talent that God gave him? That's just too bad that God has asked him to stop using it. MEK Michael.Elliot-Knight @fallon.com To: Michael Lees [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: 313@hyperreal.org 09/13/02 11:36 AMSubject: Re: [313] Religious producers/DJ's (was: TERRENCE PARKER) No there probably won't be any collaborations but this makes me think why is sex so bad in the eyes of Christians? I know it all comes down to creationism vs. evolution - but really in the end it's about the state controlling the masses. Religion is just a means of making everyone fall in line - not a way of keeping you from FALLING DOWN. You can be spiritual without being religious so it's really sad for me to read TP's words. His music has always been quite spiritual for me and now I have a feeling it's going to just be religious. Spiritual music has a voodoo quality to it that makes you move your body (I don't mean that in any negative way) and is sexual because sex is part of Life, part of what it means to be a human - religious music removes all that in the name of making you this sterile, sexless, vessel of the Lord. If he only wants to play to Christians then fine - preach to the converted then... go hide yourself away, pull out of society. Even Jesus walked among the sinful because he knew even he was not free from sin (whatever that is). Religion is the opium of the masses. MEK Michael Lees [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: K cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Religious producers/DJ's (was: TERRENCE PARKER) 09/13/02 10:48 AM I've had my moments of FALLING DOWN. Two years ago at Shake's Benefit Party @ Motor here in Detroit, I got so drunk that I had to be carried out of the club by DJ/Producer Mike Clark and driven home by DJ T.Linder and Superstar Sally (his girlfriend at that time). I had an epiphany that following morning (while feeling sick ALL DAY), and I decided not to drink ever again. It's been two (2) years now, and I haven't had a drink since. The deepest part of that experience is knowing that GOD was with me then even though I still had not given my life to him. He kept his angels around me in the form of Mike Clark, T.Linder, Superstar Sally, Al Oldham, and others. I love each and every one of those people who helped me that night. GOD knew my heart and spared me from harm that night. Now I am saved, sanctified, and filled with the Holy Ghost! You know it's a bad hangover when you wake up and have an epiphany! I wonder what his views on DJ assault, booty etc are? I don't think any collaborations are planned? -- Mike - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Religious producers/DJ's (was: TERRENCE PARKER)
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [313] Religious producers/DJ's (was: TERRENCE PARKER) Sorry - no offense to TP - he does what he needs to get by but really... stop using a talent that God gave him? That's just too bad that God has asked him to stop using it. No offense intended of course, but I think we should try not to poke holes in faith. As soon as you attempt to get too rational about a belief, it sort of kicks the soul out of it, no? Not too mention that most faith opporates at a different level than ahteistic logic. I'm not religious, but I deeply respect what religion does for people, and I try not to second-guess religiously motivated actions that seem odd to non-believers. If TP feels the need to exit the scene b/c it feels like he's acting in bad faith, I'd not want to stand in his way. He's got to do what he feels is right for himself, his family and the core of his beliefs. More power to him for having the courage to embark on a new mission, I say. Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Friday, September 13, 2002, 11:41:05 AM, a knob was tweaked and out came: RT Is is true that in some US high schools you're not allowed to teach the RT widely-accepted scientific fact of evolution 'cos it might upset the bible RT bashers, who have no objection to having their kids taught to hate and RT discriminate? Evolution is taught almost uniformly in all public schools. The few exceptions are in the southern bible belt of America. Unfortunately, creation science /is/ pretty much uniquely American, and its perpetrators quite vocal. That said, I live in a very religious state (Utah), and the kids here are definitely not taught creationism in public schools. Even Brigham Young University, a major religious academy, offers majors in microbiology and the like. You need to realize that the US is not morally congruous. Each state has its own character. I'm presently in a region where pornography is illegal, and you're not allowed to purchase alcahol or dance in public on a sunday, but I can hop on a plane to Reno, Nevada and in an hour have access to legalized gambling and prostitution, and if the November elections go the way I'm thinking they will, it will be legal to posses small amounts of recreational marijuana there within a year. Painting a whole populous with a single brush is a bit discriminatory in itself, yeah? - Brian balistic Prince http://www.bprince.com - art and techno Strokes of Defiance EP . . . soon. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Religious producers/DJ's (was: TERRENCE PARKER)
Apologies in advance for two short commments. No there probably won't be any collaborations but this makes me think why is sex so bad in the eyes of Christians? I'm not sure which Christians you're referring to here, but the reason why many unreligious people think this about Christians is the old Puritanical attitudes getting associated with all of Christianity. Most Christians think sex is so important that it not be taken lightly, as it often is. stop using a talent that God gave him? That's just too bad that God has asked him to stop using it. I'm sure God was rocking out every time he played, but even happier to see his family getting more attention than they used to. BTW: I have it on good authority that God's favorite DJ's are Frankie Knuckles, Kevin Saunderson, and TP... John http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amgsql=A5dmsa9cgq23a - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Religious producers/DJ's (was: TERRENCE PARKER)
he has a family. family is more important than touring so people can dance. Im glad he recognizes this. -Joe - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [313] Religious producers/DJ's (was: TERRENCE PARKER) Sorry - no offense to TP - he does what he needs to get by but really... stop using a talent that God gave him? That's just too bad that God has asked him to stop using it. MEK Michael.Elliot-Knight @fallon.com To: Michael Lees [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: 313@hyperreal.org 09/13/02 11:36 AMSubject: Re: [313] Religious producers/DJ's (was: TERRENCE PARKER) No there probably won't be any collaborations but this makes me think why is sex so bad in the eyes of Christians? I know it all comes down to creationism vs. evolution - but really in the end it's about the state controlling the masses. Religion is just a means of making everyone fall in line - not a way of keeping you from FALLING DOWN. You can be spiritual without being religious so it's really sad for me to read TP's words. His music has always been quite spiritual for me and now I have a feeling it's going to just be religious. Spiritual music has a voodoo quality to it that makes you move your body (I don't mean that in any negative way) and is sexual because sex is part of Life, part of what it means to be a human - religious music removes all that in the name of making you this sterile, sexless, vessel of the Lord. If he only wants to play to Christians then fine - preach to the converted then... go hide yourself away, pull out of society. Even Jesus walked among the sinful because he knew even he was not free from sin (whatever that is). Religion is the opium of the masses. MEK Michael Lees [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: K cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Religious producers/DJ's (was: TERRENCE PARKER) 09/13/02 10:48 AM I've had my moments of FALLING DOWN. Two years ago at Shake's Benefit Party @ Motor here in Detroit, I got so drunk that I had to be carried out of the club by DJ/Producer Mike Clark and driven home by DJ T.Linder and Superstar Sally (his girlfriend at that time). I had an epiphany that following morning (while feeling sick ALL DAY), and I decided not to drink ever again. It's been two (2) years now, and I haven't had a drink since. The deepest part of that experience is knowing that GOD was with me then even though I still had not given my life to him. He kept his angels around me in the form of Mike Clark, T.Linder, Superstar Sally, Al Oldham, and others. I love each and every one of those people who helped me that night. GOD knew my heart and spared me from harm that night. Now I am saved, sanctified, and filled with the Holy Ghost! You know it's a bad hangover when you wake up and have an epiphany! I wonder what his views on DJ assault, booty etc are? I don't think any collaborations are planned? -- Mike - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Religious producers/DJ's (was: TERRENCE PARKER)
i have little problem with the idea of being positive or inspirational or uplifting. IMO the best music does that. i just dont see why belief in god is the way to do it. its possible to do those kinds of things without having any motive come from outside yourself. i see belief in god in this manner to be a crutch to someone who otherwise can't think positively for themselves. tom -- Original Message -- From: Maarten Baute [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Maarten Baute [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 17:39:06 +0200 another interesting TP post: Hello Everyone, and peace be with you! Music is a very important part of praising the LORD. I am not against all secular music. Like you, I agree that one should not completely close one's ear to secular music, for GOD is present everywhere! One might miss out on some beautiful messages of love, hope, and inspiration if they completely turn their back on the world. Before I got saved, I use to feel like people in the church were judging me, and looking down on me because of my DJing. Now that I'm saved, I know that people are human first, and everyone (including people in church) are going to have an opinion about you no matter what you do. The key for me is knowing that whatever I do is right with GOD first. This is all that matters to me. So I don't want anyone to think that someone TOLD me to stop DJing in clubs and raves. I prayed about this to the LORD. I asked him to lead and guide me, so that my ways will be pleasing to him. This is what GOD laid upon my heart. HE is going to continue my path in music, but on a much higher lever. Far beyond my own expectations (one important thing about GOD is that in his word, there is no glass ceiling). All of these years, I have ministered to people through music. GOD wants me to continue in this. But he has a higher calling for me now. So I cannot continue in the ways of my yesterdays. Instead, I must trust in the LORD to see me through today, and my tomorrows. I know he doesn't want me to completely abandon secular music. But I must be mindful of what I play, what I produce, and how I deliver it to the flock. For example, this past Wednesday (September 11th) at Club TONIC, I played Aint No Stoppin' Us Now by McFadden Whitehead. This is a disco classic originally released on Philadelphia International Records in 1979. The song LOVE by RB artist Musiq is one of my more recent favorites. However, it's hard to see how one can get positive inspiration from Nelly's It's Hot In Here. So there has to be a proper balance, and a fine, carefully drawn line. I am not giving up music or DJing completely. Although I am really moved by Gospel Music, I really enjoy listening to all forms of music that is uplifting and positive. I currently see myself as an INSPIRATIONAL DJ. I am one who enjoys INSPIRATIONAL MUSIC. This doesn't mean that one can only find GOD in Gospel music. After all, you can't put GOD in a box. I'm just saying that I will not be DJing, or producing music in the same manner that most people have come to know me for. Now if someone asks me to spin at a Christian Rave, Christian Night Club (yes, there are such things), or other events which promote INSPIRATION or POSITIVITY, I will most likely say YES! But if a promoter wants me to come spin just because I've got skills, and wants me to blow up the spot to get the crowd hype, then my answer will be no. Those days are over. I will only blow up the spot for Jesus! Back in the early days of HOUSE Music, if the music felt good to a person and they began to shout, we would say they caught the House Ghost. Now, if I DJ at an event, I want people to catch the HOLY GHOST! I am still MAKING PRODUCING MUSIC. In fact, I recently finished a Gospel House remix of Karen Clark Sheard's I Wont Let Go which is from her new CD entitled 2nd Chance (Elektra Records). Karen was part of the internationally famous Detroit Gospel group, The Clark Sisters. I will continue to make music, and do remixes for anything I feel is INSPIRATIONAL. In other words, you won't hear me doing a remix for Ludacris' Move [EMAIL PROTECTED]. However, before I was saved, I did remixes for Eminem's Without Me. Although people at Universal Music (Eminem's MAIN distributor) told me they loved the remixes, the staff at Shady/Aftermath/Interscope Records decided not to use them. I thank GOD for that. Obviously, that was not the path GOD wanted me on. Regarding touring as a DJ, spinning in clubs and raves, I just don't feel the enthusiasm to be in that environment anymore. This is not to put down anyone who does. In the middle of all the alcohol and drug use that goes on in these venues, I was able to be a positive light in the midst of darkness. I tried my best to be someone people can look up to. I've had my moments of FALLING DOWN. Two years ago at Shake's Benefit Party @ Motor here in Detroit, I got
Re: [313] Religious producers/DJ's (was: TERRENCE PARKER)
Terrence has always taken good care of his family and loves them to pieces. Though he often has traveled to DJ, that profession has allowed him to be present most days to take his daughter to school and pick her up afterwards. The last time I spoke to him on the phone he was folding laundry. I don't think you intended to suggest that he has neglected his family, but I don't want your statements to be construed that way. On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, ::P wrote: he has a family. family is more important than touring so people can dance. Im glad he recognizes this. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Religious producers/DJ's (was: TERRENCE PARKER)
true enough. I was merely pointing out that maybe some of the attitude that hes abandoning the music is misguided. I respect a man that will leave something he loves in the interest of his children and wife. we need more people like that if you ask me I appreciate your words and clarification -Joe - Original Message - From: Kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 list 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [313] Religious producers/DJ's (was: TERRENCE PARKER) Terrence has always taken good care of his family and loves them to pieces. Though he often has traveled to DJ, that profession has allowed him to be present most days to take his daughter to school and pick her up afterwards. The last time I spoke to him on the phone he was folding laundry. I don't think you intended to suggest that he has neglected his family, but I don't want your statements to be construed that way. On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, ::P wrote: he has a family. family is more important than touring so people can dance. Im glad he recognizes this. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Religious producers/DJ's (was: TERRENCE PARKER)
the man dont wanna spin records at partys no more. whats the big trouble? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [313] Religious producers/DJ's (was: TERRENCE PARKER) Sorry - no offense to TP - he does what he needs to get by but really... stop using a talent that God gave him? That's just too bad that God has asked him to stop using it. MEK Michael.Elliot-Knight @fallon.com To: Michael Lees [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: 313@hyperreal.org 09/13/02 11:36 AMSubject: Re: [313] Religious producers/DJ's (was: TERRENCE PARKER) No there probably won't be any collaborations but this makes me think why is sex so bad in the eyes of Christians? I know it all comes down to creationism vs. evolution - but really in the end it's about the state controlling the masses. Religion is just a means of making everyone fall in line - not a way of keeping you from FALLING DOWN. You can be spiritual without being religious so it's really sad for me to read TP's words. His music has always been quite spiritual for me and now I have a feeling it's going to just be religious. Spiritual music has a voodoo quality to it that makes you move your body (I don't mean that in any negative way) and is sexual because sex is part of Life, part of what it means to be a human - religious music removes all that in the name of making you this sterile, sexless, vessel of the Lord. If he only wants to play to Christians then fine - preach to the converted then... go hide yourself away, pull out of society. Even Jesus walked among the sinful because he knew even he was not free from sin (whatever that is). Religion is the opium of the masses. MEK Michael Lees [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: K cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Religious producers/DJ's (was: TERRENCE PARKER) 09/13/02 10:48 AM I've had my moments of FALLING DOWN. Two years ago at Shake's Benefit Party @ Motor here in Detroit, I got so drunk that I had to be carried out of the club by DJ/Producer Mike Clark and driven home by DJ T.Linder and Superstar Sally (his girlfriend at that time). I had an epiphany that following morning (while feeling sick ALL DAY), and I decided not to drink ever again. It's been two (2) years now, and I haven't had a drink since. The deepest part of that experience is knowing that GOD was with me then even though I still had not given my life to him. He kept his angels around me in the form of Mike Clark, T.Linder, Superstar Sally, Al Oldham, and others. I love each and every one of those people who helped me that night. GOD knew my heart and spared me from harm that night. Now I am saved, sanctified, and filled with the Holy Ghost! You know it's a bad hangover when you wake up and have an epiphany! I wonder what his views on DJ assault, booty etc are? I don't think any collaborations are planned? -- Mike - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Religious producers/DJ's (was: TERRENCE PARKER)
Everybody retires at some point in their life! I bet that all of y'all people who are bitchin' about TP realizing his time are jealous that you can't retire after 20 years of service!!! I don't care if it is music or not. When something becomes your job, it is just that--your job. You will get sick of it. You will make enough money then quit happily!!! T! www.acidsonicresearch.com ~~go here www.mp313.com ~~and here PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
