Re: Fwd: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)

[Benn Glazier]

  
  

 From the discussions that we had in 95 to now. We’ve come a long way in many 
respects and gone backwards in so many others.
  

  
I’ve got my own children to tend to.
  

  
Thanks, I’m out. Unsubscribe.
  
  
  
  
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> On Jun 26, 2020 at 6:47 pm,   (mailto:barringtonphelo...@gmail.com)>  wrote:
>   
>   
>   
> I know it's time to unsubscribe. Well done. Bye 
>   
>   
>   
> On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 6:39 PM Denise Dalphond   (mailto:denisedalph...@gmail.com)>  wrote:
>   
> >   
> >   
> > At one point, Kent called me the Daphne of Techno. So I don’t really know 
> > where we are right here.   
> >   
> >   
> >
> >   
> > Denise
> >   
> >
> >   
> >   
> > On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 1:32 PM cnd  <3...@coke-smyth.net 
> > (mailto:3...@coke-smyth.net)>  wrote:
> >   
> > >  Ftr Denise is more welcome on this list than you Kent, purely on the
> > >  basis of being a female black academic.
> > >   
> > >  Moderation? I'd rather hang with Moodymann than the bay city rollers.
> > >   
> > >  $0.02
> > >   
> > >  B-)
> > >   
> > >  On 2020-06-24 18:30, kent williams wrote:
> > >   >  You said it well.
> > >   >
> > >   >  Denise deserves respect and attention.I've made myself clear in 
> > > the
> > >   >  last e-mail what I would like to see happen, and now I regret even
> > >   >  posting that on-list.
> > >   >
> > >   >  I'm not going to say any more on this. If anyone wants to e-mail me
> > >   >  directly, I'll read and respond.
> > >   >
> > >   >  On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 12:25 PM Kevin Kennedy   > > (mailto:the...@gmail.com)>
> > >   >  wrote:
> > >   >
> > >   >>  I rarely chime in on the list but trend towards paying attention
> > >   >>  when I can.
> > >   >>
> > >   >>  For many, it can be really difficult to cut through the 'noise' that
> > >   >>  happens on a daily basis, as we are 100% inundated with information
> > >   >>  about nearly any and every subject we could be interested in, and
> > >   >>  some we're not.
> > >   >>
> > >   >>  Maybe the choice of words "perspective" may have been in some ways
> > >   >>  incomplete/misleading, however the intent was understood by me to be
> > >   >>  one of a noble and humble nature.Most people don't have the time
> > >   >>  in their modern life to collect all of the reading documents and
> > >   >>  take the deeper dive necessary to understand any subject.
> > >   >>  Unfortunately, not all techno people are academics-but many are
> > >   >>  curious, which is a great trait for anyone academically-minded.
> > >   >>
> > >   >>  That said, I LOVEDr. Denise, and you all should know that she
> > >   >>  'keeps that same energy' for EVERYTHING...as Ethnomusicology is also
> > >   >>  her life's work.If many had as much passion and persistence to
> > >   >>  rely on, we'd all probably do much more than we already do.
> > >   >>
> > >   >>  Fire and emotional content aren't easy things to channel.It's
> > >   >>  taken me years to learn how to choose when and where I call out
> > >   >>  things I don't like.I've recently done an interview with Peter
> > >   >>  Kirn and while I had some opportunity to say whatever I chose, I
> > >   >>  realized that denigrating people can be messy.
> > >   >>
> > >   >>  DWELLER, as a whole, is a useful resource and may get one more
> > >   >>  person to understand better the history of this music and have a
> > >   >>  better appreciation for what makes it special and influential.We
> > >   >>  must all learn together, those who haven't learned the story should,
> > >   >>  and those who are attempting to be helpful should be encouraged to
> > >   >>  find other resources that could be more relevant if the ones they
> > >   >>  share are in some way not.
> > >   >>
> > >   >>  I'm going to say in closing that we all on this list have a duty to
> > >   >>  understand one another.We have to come together like buttcheeks
> > >   >>  instead of sniping at each other like the outside world does on a
> > >   >>  daily basis.We're all here on this list for the music first-But 
> > > we
> > >   >>  can also learn from each other.
> > >   >>
> > >   >>  I sincerely hope all of you are well.FBK out.
> > >   >>
> > >   >>  On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:34 AM kent williams
> > >   >>   mailto:chaircrus...@gmail.com)>  wrote:
> > >   >>
> > >   >>  On the one hand, Denise has valid points.
> > >   >>
> > >   >>  On the other hand she attacks people who have done nothing but good
> > >   >>  for the Techno community, has never minimized the contribution of
> > >   >>  black artists, and has never centered themselves in the discussion.
> > >   >>
> > >   >>  Denise, you need to find a way to make the points you want to make
> > > 

Re: Fwd: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)

[Joe Marougi]

You know what?  Same here.

I know announcing your departure is wack but in my case I wanted to since
I’ve been pretty combative towards her majesty. So in case folks here don’t
like me or my replies, wanted to let them know I won’t be around any more
to interrupt your experience.

Have fun with the list 



On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 10:47 AM Rob Taylor 
wrote:

> I know it's time to unsubscribe. Well done. Bye
>
> On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 6:39 PM Denise Dalphond 
> wrote:
>
>> At one point, Kent called me the Daphne of Techno. So I don’t really know
>> where we are right here.
>>
>> Denise
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 1:32 PM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Ftr Denise is more welcome on this list than you Kent, purely on the
>>> basis of being a female black academic.
>>>
>>> Moderation? I'd rather hang with Moodymann than the bay city rollers.
>>>
>>> $0.02
>>>
>>> B-)
>>>
>>> On 2020-06-24 18:30, kent williams wrote:
>>> > You said it well.
>>> >
>>> > Denise deserves respect and attention.  I've made myself clear in the
>>> > last e-mail what I would like to see happen, and now I regret even
>>> > posting that on-list.
>>> >
>>> > I'm not going to say any more on this. If anyone wants to e-mail me
>>> > directly, I'll read and respond.
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 12:25 PM Kevin Kennedy 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I rarely chime in on the list but trend towards paying attention
>>> >> when I can.
>>> >>
>>> >> For many, it can be really difficult to cut through the 'noise' that
>>> >> happens on a daily basis, as we are 100% inundated with information
>>> >> about nearly any and every subject we could be interested in, and
>>> >> some we're not.
>>> >>
>>> >> Maybe the choice of words "perspective" may have been in some ways
>>> >> incomplete/misleading, however the intent was understood by me to be
>>> >> one of a noble and humble nature.  Most people don't have the time
>>> >> in their modern life to collect all of the reading documents and
>>> >> take the deeper dive necessary to understand any subject.
>>> >> Unfortunately, not all techno people are academics-but many are
>>> >> curious, which is a great trait for anyone academically-minded.
>>> >>
>>> >> That said, I LOVE  Dr. Denise, and you all should know that she
>>> >> 'keeps that same energy' for EVERYTHING...as Ethnomusicology is also
>>> >> her life's work.  If many had as much passion and persistence to
>>> >> rely on, we'd all probably do much more than we already do.
>>> >>
>>> >> Fire and emotional content aren't easy things to channel.  It's
>>> >> taken me years to learn how to choose when and where I call out
>>> >> things I don't like.  I've recently done an interview with Peter
>>> >> Kirn and while I had some opportunity to say whatever I chose, I
>>> >> realized that denigrating people can be messy.
>>> >>
>>> >> DWELLER, as a whole, is a useful resource and may get one more
>>> >> person to understand better the history of this music and have a
>>> >> better appreciation for what makes it special and influential.  We
>>> >> must all learn together, those who haven't learned the story should,
>>> >> and those who are attempting to be helpful should be encouraged to
>>> >> find other resources that could be more relevant if the ones they
>>> >> share are in some way not.
>>> >>
>>> >> I'm going to say in closing that we all on this list have a duty to
>>> >> understand one another.  We have to come together like buttcheeks
>>> >> instead of sniping at each other like the outside world does on a
>>> >> daily basis.  We're all here on this list for the music first-But we
>>> >> can also learn from each other.
>>> >>
>>> >> I sincerely hope all of you are well.  FBK out.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:34 AM kent williams
>>> >>  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On the one hand, Denise has valid points.
>>> >>
>>> >> On the other hand she attacks people who have done nothing but good
>>> >> for the Techno community, has never minimized the contribution of
>>> >> black artists, and has never centered themselves in the discussion.
>>> >>
>>> >> Denise, you need to find a way to make the points you want to make
>>> >> without making other people want to leave the 313 list.
>>> >>
>>> >> I've never wanted to silence anyone on this list and have never
>>> >> banned anyone just for being outspoken, but at this point this list
>>> >> is a shadow of its former self, and a lot of it has to do with
>>> >> people posting things that make people feel uncomfortable.  And not
>>> >> the 'questioning my privilege' uncomfortable, like 'being personally
>>> >> attacked without justification' uncomfortable.
>>> >>
>>> >> I don't just see the public posts, I get private e-mails all the
>>> >> time with complaints about other list members.  Those are private,
>>> >> but regular list members only see what's on the list.
>>> >>
>>> >> No one can argue with Denise's contribution to music scholarship
>>> >> dealing with black music, and no one 

Re: Fwd: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)

[Rob Taylor]

I know it's time to unsubscribe. Well done. Bye

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 6:39 PM Denise Dalphond 
wrote:

> At one point, Kent called me the Daphne of Techno. So I don’t really know
> where we are right here.
>
> Denise
>
> On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 1:32 PM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
>
>> Ftr Denise is more welcome on this list than you Kent, purely on the
>> basis of being a female black academic.
>>
>> Moderation? I'd rather hang with Moodymann than the bay city rollers.
>>
>> $0.02
>>
>> B-)
>>
>> On 2020-06-24 18:30, kent williams wrote:
>> > You said it well.
>> >
>> > Denise deserves respect and attention.  I've made myself clear in the
>> > last e-mail what I would like to see happen, and now I regret even
>> > posting that on-list.
>> >
>> > I'm not going to say any more on this. If anyone wants to e-mail me
>> > directly, I'll read and respond.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 12:25 PM Kevin Kennedy 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> I rarely chime in on the list but trend towards paying attention
>> >> when I can.
>> >>
>> >> For many, it can be really difficult to cut through the 'noise' that
>> >> happens on a daily basis, as we are 100% inundated with information
>> >> about nearly any and every subject we could be interested in, and
>> >> some we're not.
>> >>
>> >> Maybe the choice of words "perspective" may have been in some ways
>> >> incomplete/misleading, however the intent was understood by me to be
>> >> one of a noble and humble nature.  Most people don't have the time
>> >> in their modern life to collect all of the reading documents and
>> >> take the deeper dive necessary to understand any subject.
>> >> Unfortunately, not all techno people are academics-but many are
>> >> curious, which is a great trait for anyone academically-minded.
>> >>
>> >> That said, I LOVE  Dr. Denise, and you all should know that she
>> >> 'keeps that same energy' for EVERYTHING...as Ethnomusicology is also
>> >> her life's work.  If many had as much passion and persistence to
>> >> rely on, we'd all probably do much more than we already do.
>> >>
>> >> Fire and emotional content aren't easy things to channel.  It's
>> >> taken me years to learn how to choose when and where I call out
>> >> things I don't like.  I've recently done an interview with Peter
>> >> Kirn and while I had some opportunity to say whatever I chose, I
>> >> realized that denigrating people can be messy.
>> >>
>> >> DWELLER, as a whole, is a useful resource and may get one more
>> >> person to understand better the history of this music and have a
>> >> better appreciation for what makes it special and influential.  We
>> >> must all learn together, those who haven't learned the story should,
>> >> and those who are attempting to be helpful should be encouraged to
>> >> find other resources that could be more relevant if the ones they
>> >> share are in some way not.
>> >>
>> >> I'm going to say in closing that we all on this list have a duty to
>> >> understand one another.  We have to come together like buttcheeks
>> >> instead of sniping at each other like the outside world does on a
>> >> daily basis.  We're all here on this list for the music first-But we
>> >> can also learn from each other.
>> >>
>> >> I sincerely hope all of you are well.  FBK out.
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:34 AM kent williams
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On the one hand, Denise has valid points.
>> >>
>> >> On the other hand she attacks people who have done nothing but good
>> >> for the Techno community, has never minimized the contribution of
>> >> black artists, and has never centered themselves in the discussion.
>> >>
>> >> Denise, you need to find a way to make the points you want to make
>> >> without making other people want to leave the 313 list.
>> >>
>> >> I've never wanted to silence anyone on this list and have never
>> >> banned anyone just for being outspoken, but at this point this list
>> >> is a shadow of its former self, and a lot of it has to do with
>> >> people posting things that make people feel uncomfortable.  And not
>> >> the 'questioning my privilege' uncomfortable, like 'being personally
>> >> attacked without justification' uncomfortable.
>> >>
>> >> I don't just see the public posts, I get private e-mails all the
>> >> time with complaints about other list members.  Those are private,
>> >> but regular list members only see what's on the list.
>> >>
>> >> No one can argue with Denise's contribution to music scholarship
>> >> dealing with black music, and no one should.
>> >>
>> >> But being aggressive and disagreeable on the mailing list makes it
>> >> about you, not about the music or the people.
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:21 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
>> >> Allgxxd
>> >>
>> >> I hear you essay
>> >>
>> >> Cheers
>> >>
>> >> On 2020-06-24 14:11, Daniel Bean wrote:
>> >>> Whoops sorry, meant to send that to the list.
>> >>>
>> >>> -- Forwarded message -
>> >>> From: DANIEL BEAN 
>> >>> 

Re: Fwd: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)

[Denise Dalphond]

At one point, Kent called me the Daphne of Techno. So I don’t really know
where we are right here.

Denise

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 1:32 PM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:

> Ftr Denise is more welcome on this list than you Kent, purely on the
> basis of being a female black academic.
>
> Moderation? I'd rather hang with Moodymann than the bay city rollers.
>
> $0.02
>
> B-)
>
> On 2020-06-24 18:30, kent williams wrote:
> > You said it well.
> >
> > Denise deserves respect and attention.  I've made myself clear in the
> > last e-mail what I would like to see happen, and now I regret even
> > posting that on-list.
> >
> > I'm not going to say any more on this. If anyone wants to e-mail me
> > directly, I'll read and respond.
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 12:25 PM Kevin Kennedy 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I rarely chime in on the list but trend towards paying attention
> >> when I can.
> >>
> >> For many, it can be really difficult to cut through the 'noise' that
> >> happens on a daily basis, as we are 100% inundated with information
> >> about nearly any and every subject we could be interested in, and
> >> some we're not.
> >>
> >> Maybe the choice of words "perspective" may have been in some ways
> >> incomplete/misleading, however the intent was understood by me to be
> >> one of a noble and humble nature.  Most people don't have the time
> >> in their modern life to collect all of the reading documents and
> >> take the deeper dive necessary to understand any subject.
> >> Unfortunately, not all techno people are academics-but many are
> >> curious, which is a great trait for anyone academically-minded.
> >>
> >> That said, I LOVE  Dr. Denise, and you all should know that she
> >> 'keeps that same energy' for EVERYTHING...as Ethnomusicology is also
> >> her life's work.  If many had as much passion and persistence to
> >> rely on, we'd all probably do much more than we already do.
> >>
> >> Fire and emotional content aren't easy things to channel.  It's
> >> taken me years to learn how to choose when and where I call out
> >> things I don't like.  I've recently done an interview with Peter
> >> Kirn and while I had some opportunity to say whatever I chose, I
> >> realized that denigrating people can be messy.
> >>
> >> DWELLER, as a whole, is a useful resource and may get one more
> >> person to understand better the history of this music and have a
> >> better appreciation for what makes it special and influential.  We
> >> must all learn together, those who haven't learned the story should,
> >> and those who are attempting to be helpful should be encouraged to
> >> find other resources that could be more relevant if the ones they
> >> share are in some way not.
> >>
> >> I'm going to say in closing that we all on this list have a duty to
> >> understand one another.  We have to come together like buttcheeks
> >> instead of sniping at each other like the outside world does on a
> >> daily basis.  We're all here on this list for the music first-But we
> >> can also learn from each other.
> >>
> >> I sincerely hope all of you are well.  FBK out.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:34 AM kent williams
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> On the one hand, Denise has valid points.
> >>
> >> On the other hand she attacks people who have done nothing but good
> >> for the Techno community, has never minimized the contribution of
> >> black artists, and has never centered themselves in the discussion.
> >>
> >> Denise, you need to find a way to make the points you want to make
> >> without making other people want to leave the 313 list.
> >>
> >> I've never wanted to silence anyone on this list and have never
> >> banned anyone just for being outspoken, but at this point this list
> >> is a shadow of its former self, and a lot of it has to do with
> >> people posting things that make people feel uncomfortable.  And not
> >> the 'questioning my privilege' uncomfortable, like 'being personally
> >> attacked without justification' uncomfortable.
> >>
> >> I don't just see the public posts, I get private e-mails all the
> >> time with complaints about other list members.  Those are private,
> >> but regular list members only see what's on the list.
> >>
> >> No one can argue with Denise's contribution to music scholarship
> >> dealing with black music, and no one should.
> >>
> >> But being aggressive and disagreeable on the mailing list makes it
> >> about you, not about the music or the people.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:21 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
> >> Allgxxd
> >>
> >> I hear you essay
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> On 2020-06-24 14:11, Daniel Bean wrote:
> >>> Whoops sorry, meant to send that to the list.
> >>>
> >>> -- Forwarded message -
> >>> From: DANIEL BEAN 
> >>> Date: Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:08 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
> >>> To: Denise Dalphond 
> >>>
> >>> Have to agree with Denise here, the idea that we can somehow
> >> ignore
> >>> race in 

Re: Fwd: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)

[Denise Dalphond]

The Associated Press now capitalizes the B in Black, so proper grammar
would be Black female scholar. However, I’m white. I’m more welcome here
because I’m smarter and prettier.

Denise Dalphond




On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 1:32 PM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:

> Ftr Denise is more welcome on this list than you Kent, purely on the
> basis of being a female black academic.
>
> Moderation? I'd rather hang with Moodymann than the bay city rollers.
>
> $0.02
>
> B-)
>
> On 2020-06-24 18:30, kent williams wrote:
> > You said it well.
> >
> > Denise deserves respect and attention.  I've made myself clear in the
> > last e-mail what I would like to see happen, and now I regret even
> > posting that on-list.
> >
> > I'm not going to say any more on this. If anyone wants to e-mail me
> > directly, I'll read and respond.
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 12:25 PM Kevin Kennedy 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I rarely chime in on the list but trend towards paying attention
> >> when I can.
> >>
> >> For many, it can be really difficult to cut through the 'noise' that
> >> happens on a daily basis, as we are 100% inundated with information
> >> about nearly any and every subject we could be interested in, and
> >> some we're not.
> >>
> >> Maybe the choice of words "perspective" may have been in some ways
> >> incomplete/misleading, however the intent was understood by me to be
> >> one of a noble and humble nature.  Most people don't have the time
> >> in their modern life to collect all of the reading documents and
> >> take the deeper dive necessary to understand any subject.
> >> Unfortunately, not all techno people are academics-but many are
> >> curious, which is a great trait for anyone academically-minded.
> >>
> >> That said, I LOVE  Dr. Denise, and you all should know that she
> >> 'keeps that same energy' for EVERYTHING...as Ethnomusicology is also
> >> her life's work.  If many had as much passion and persistence to
> >> rely on, we'd all probably do much more than we already do.
> >>
> >> Fire and emotional content aren't easy things to channel.  It's
> >> taken me years to learn how to choose when and where I call out
> >> things I don't like.  I've recently done an interview with Peter
> >> Kirn and while I had some opportunity to say whatever I chose, I
> >> realized that denigrating people can be messy.
> >>
> >> DWELLER, as a whole, is a useful resource and may get one more
> >> person to understand better the history of this music and have a
> >> better appreciation for what makes it special and influential.  We
> >> must all learn together, those who haven't learned the story should,
> >> and those who are attempting to be helpful should be encouraged to
> >> find other resources that could be more relevant if the ones they
> >> share are in some way not.
> >>
> >> I'm going to say in closing that we all on this list have a duty to
> >> understand one another.  We have to come together like buttcheeks
> >> instead of sniping at each other like the outside world does on a
> >> daily basis.  We're all here on this list for the music first-But we
> >> can also learn from each other.
> >>
> >> I sincerely hope all of you are well.  FBK out.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:34 AM kent williams
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> On the one hand, Denise has valid points.
> >>
> >> On the other hand she attacks people who have done nothing but good
> >> for the Techno community, has never minimized the contribution of
> >> black artists, and has never centered themselves in the discussion.
> >>
> >> Denise, you need to find a way to make the points you want to make
> >> without making other people want to leave the 313 list.
> >>
> >> I've never wanted to silence anyone on this list and have never
> >> banned anyone just for being outspoken, but at this point this list
> >> is a shadow of its former self, and a lot of it has to do with
> >> people posting things that make people feel uncomfortable.  And not
> >> the 'questioning my privilege' uncomfortable, like 'being personally
> >> attacked without justification' uncomfortable.
> >>
> >> I don't just see the public posts, I get private e-mails all the
> >> time with complaints about other list members.  Those are private,
> >> but regular list members only see what's on the list.
> >>
> >> No one can argue with Denise's contribution to music scholarship
> >> dealing with black music, and no one should.
> >>
> >> But being aggressive and disagreeable on the mailing list makes it
> >> about you, not about the music or the people.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:21 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
> >> Allgxxd
> >>
> >> I hear you essay
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> On 2020-06-24 14:11, Daniel Bean wrote:
> >>> Whoops sorry, meant to send that to the list.
> >>>
> >>> -- Forwarded message -
> >>> From: DANIEL BEAN 
> >>> Date: Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:08 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
> >>> To: Denise Dalphond 
> >>>
> 

Re: Fwd: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)

[cnd]

Ftr Denise is more welcome on this list than you Kent, purely on the 
basis of being a female black academic.


Moderation? I'd rather hang with Moodymann than the bay city rollers.

$0.02

B-)

On 2020-06-24 18:30, kent williams wrote:

You said it well.

Denise deserves respect and attention.  I've made myself clear in the
last e-mail what I would like to see happen, and now I regret even
posting that on-list.

I'm not going to say any more on this. If anyone wants to e-mail me
directly, I'll read and respond.

On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 12:25 PM Kevin Kennedy 
wrote:


I rarely chime in on the list but trend towards paying attention
when I can.

For many, it can be really difficult to cut through the 'noise' that
happens on a daily basis, as we are 100% inundated with information
about nearly any and every subject we could be interested in, and
some we're not.

Maybe the choice of words "perspective" may have been in some ways
incomplete/misleading, however the intent was understood by me to be
one of a noble and humble nature.  Most people don't have the time
in their modern life to collect all of the reading documents and
take the deeper dive necessary to understand any subject.
Unfortunately, not all techno people are academics-but many are
curious, which is a great trait for anyone academically-minded.

That said, I LOVE  Dr. Denise, and you all should know that she
'keeps that same energy' for EVERYTHING...as Ethnomusicology is also
her life's work.  If many had as much passion and persistence to
rely on, we'd all probably do much more than we already do.

Fire and emotional content aren't easy things to channel.  It's
taken me years to learn how to choose when and where I call out
things I don't like.  I've recently done an interview with Peter
Kirn and while I had some opportunity to say whatever I chose, I
realized that denigrating people can be messy.

DWELLER, as a whole, is a useful resource and may get one more
person to understand better the history of this music and have a
better appreciation for what makes it special and influential.  We
must all learn together, those who haven't learned the story should,
and those who are attempting to be helpful should be encouraged to
find other resources that could be more relevant if the ones they
share are in some way not.

I'm going to say in closing that we all on this list have a duty to
understand one another.  We have to come together like buttcheeks
instead of sniping at each other like the outside world does on a
daily basis.  We're all here on this list for the music first-But we
can also learn from each other.

I sincerely hope all of you are well.  FBK out.

On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:34 AM kent williams
 wrote:

On the one hand, Denise has valid points.

On the other hand she attacks people who have done nothing but good
for the Techno community, has never minimized the contribution of
black artists, and has never centered themselves in the discussion.

Denise, you need to find a way to make the points you want to make
without making other people want to leave the 313 list.

I've never wanted to silence anyone on this list and have never
banned anyone just for being outspoken, but at this point this list
is a shadow of its former self, and a lot of it has to do with
people posting things that make people feel uncomfortable.  And not
the 'questioning my privilege' uncomfortable, like 'being personally
attacked without justification' uncomfortable.

I don't just see the public posts, I get private e-mails all the
time with complaints about other list members.  Those are private,
but regular list members only see what's on the list.

No one can argue with Denise's contribution to music scholarship
dealing with black music, and no one should.

But being aggressive and disagreeable on the mailing list makes it
about you, not about the music or the people.

On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:21 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
Allgxxd

I hear you essay

Cheers

On 2020-06-24 14:11, Daniel Bean wrote:

Whoops sorry, meant to send that to the list.

-- Forwarded message -
From: DANIEL BEAN 
Date: Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
To: Denise Dalphond 

Have to agree with Denise here, the idea that we can somehow

ignore

race in techno (or any other American music forms for that matter)

is

ludicrous, especially at the moment.

On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 1:32 PM Denise Dalphond
 wrote:


Have you read my dissertation? Your suggestion makes no sense.

Did

you know Portia Maultsby was my teacher? Have you seen that chart

of

Black music genres floating around IG and FB? She made that.
That’s part of her life’s work. And now, since I got to help

her

with it in graduate school, I get to help her update it
professionally. So, s.

Do you not live in the United States? Do you not understand what

is

changing here in the United States? Stop embarrassing yourself.

And why didn’t you get 

Re: Fwd: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)

[Joe Marougi]

That’s the worst part about you.  Your commitment to not admitting
when/that you (God forbid) could have been wrong or handled something the
wrong way:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-squeaky-wheel/201811/why-certain-people-will-never-admit-they-were-wrong%3Famp


On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 11:24 PM Denise Dalphond 
wrote:

> I blocked Kent a long time ago, so I had to go to my spam folder to read
> this. Took me a minute. I have no response to Kent directly.
>
> This all started because Andrew Duke sent a list to our listserv and I
> asked a pretty neutral question and then somebody tried to white wash it.
> That's it. Relax.
>
>
>
> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
> *ethnomusicologist*
> *schoolcraftwax.work *
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:34 AM kent williams 
> wrote:
>
>> On the one hand, Denise has valid points.
>>
>> On the other hand she attacks people who have done nothing but good for
>> the Techno community, has never minimized the contribution of black
>> artists, and has never centered themselves in the discussion.
>>
>> Denise, you need to find a way to make the points you want to make
>> without making other people want to leave the 313 list.
>>
>> I've never wanted to silence anyone on this list and have never banned
>> anyone just for being outspoken, but at this point this list is a shadow of
>> its former self, and a lot of it has to do with people posting things that
>> make people feel uncomfortable.  And not the 'questioning my privilege'
>> uncomfortable, like 'being personally attacked without justification'
>> uncomfortable.
>>
>> I don't just see the public posts, I get private e-mails all the time
>> with complaints about other list members.  Those are private, but regular
>> list members only see what's on the list.
>>
>> No one can argue with Denise's contribution to music scholarship dealing
>> with black music, and no one should.
>>
>> But being aggressive and disagreeable on the mailing list makes it about
>> you, not about the music or the people.
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:21 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Allgxxd
>>>
>>> I hear you essay
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> On 2020-06-24 14:11, Daniel Bean wrote:
>>> > Whoops sorry, meant to send that to the list.
>>> >
>>> > -- Forwarded message -
>>> > From: DANIEL BEAN 
>>> > Date: Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:08 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
>>> > To: Denise Dalphond 
>>> >
>>> > Have to agree with Denise here, the idea that we can somehow ignore
>>> > race in techno (or any other American music forms for that matter) is
>>> > ludicrous, especially at the moment.
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 1:32 PM Denise Dalphond
>>> >  wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Have you read my dissertation? Your suggestion makes no sense. Did
>>> >> you know Portia Maultsby was my teacher? Have you seen that chart of
>>> >> Black music genres floating around IG and FB? She made that.
>>> >> That’s part of her life’s work. And now, since I got to help her
>>> >> with it in graduate school, I get to help her update it
>>> >> professionally. So, s.
>>> >>
>>> >> Do you not live in the United States? Do you not understand what is
>>> >> changing here in the United States? Stop embarrassing yourself.
>>> >>
>>> >> And why didn’t you get mad at Andrew Duke for sharing it?
>>> >>
>>> >> Denise Dalphond
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 5:24 AM Sjoerd 
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Denise, is there any Social Justice Bandwagon you will not jump on?
>>> >> For the love of the 808, please refrain from this and find common
>>> >> ground in the beauty of this music instead of trying to sow division
>>> >> between people by this racebaiting.
>>> >>
>>> >> I think few people care if the writer of the article has a Black or
>>> >> White skin colour, since what matters is the message, and the
>>> >> message is T-E-C-H-N-O and Unity between people from all walks of
>>> >> life.
>>> >>
>>> >> Andrew, thanks for posting this. A lot has been written on the
>>> >> subject of Detroit Techno and I appreciate someone took the time and
>>> >> effort to collect them all. Seriously, the further we move forward
>>> >> in time, the more I realize that the future about this technological
>>> >> dystopia was already written way back in the 80's, with the origins
>>> >> of Techno in the Motorcity.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 at 16:11, Denise Dalphond
>>> >>  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> A majority of those articles and books are by white people. What do
>>> >> they mean by Black perspective. You could also go to the Dancecult
>>> >> website: https://dancecult-research.net/references/
>>> >>
>>> >> Denise
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 9:53 AM Andrew Duke
>>> >>  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Dweller Electronics
>>> >>
>>> >> writings from a black perspective
>>> >>
>>> >> Our co-editor Ryan Clarke has researched a list of articles,
>>> >> interviews and documentaries 

Re: Fwd: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)

[kent williams]

Jesus wept.

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 1:24 AM Denise Dalphond 
wrote:

> I blocked Kent a long time ago, so I had to go to my spam folder to read
> this. Took me a minute. I have no response to Kent directly.
>
>
>>>
>>>

Re: Fwd: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)

[Denise Dalphond]

I blocked Kent a long time ago, so I had to go to my spam folder to read
this. Took me a minute. I have no response to Kent directly.

This all started because Andrew Duke sent a list to our listserv and I
asked a pretty neutral question and then somebody tried to white wash it.
That's it. Relax.



*Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
*ethnomusicologist*
*schoolcraftwax.work *


On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:34 AM kent williams 
wrote:

> On the one hand, Denise has valid points.
>
> On the other hand she attacks people who have done nothing but good for
> the Techno community, has never minimized the contribution of black
> artists, and has never centered themselves in the discussion.
>
> Denise, you need to find a way to make the points you want to make without
> making other people want to leave the 313 list.
>
> I've never wanted to silence anyone on this list and have never banned
> anyone just for being outspoken, but at this point this list is a shadow of
> its former self, and a lot of it has to do with people posting things that
> make people feel uncomfortable.  And not the 'questioning my privilege'
> uncomfortable, like 'being personally attacked without justification'
> uncomfortable.
>
> I don't just see the public posts, I get private e-mails all the time with
> complaints about other list members.  Those are private, but regular list
> members only see what's on the list.
>
> No one can argue with Denise's contribution to music scholarship dealing
> with black music, and no one should.
>
> But being aggressive and disagreeable on the mailing list makes it about
> you, not about the music or the people.
>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:21 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
>
>> Allgxxd
>>
>> I hear you essay
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> On 2020-06-24 14:11, Daniel Bean wrote:
>> > Whoops sorry, meant to send that to the list.
>> >
>> > -- Forwarded message -
>> > From: DANIEL BEAN 
>> > Date: Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:08 PM
>> > Subject: Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
>> > To: Denise Dalphond 
>> >
>> > Have to agree with Denise here, the idea that we can somehow ignore
>> > race in techno (or any other American music forms for that matter) is
>> > ludicrous, especially at the moment.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 1:32 PM Denise Dalphond
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Have you read my dissertation? Your suggestion makes no sense. Did
>> >> you know Portia Maultsby was my teacher? Have you seen that chart of
>> >> Black music genres floating around IG and FB? She made that.
>> >> That’s part of her life’s work. And now, since I got to help her
>> >> with it in graduate school, I get to help her update it
>> >> professionally. So, s.
>> >>
>> >> Do you not live in the United States? Do you not understand what is
>> >> changing here in the United States? Stop embarrassing yourself.
>> >>
>> >> And why didn’t you get mad at Andrew Duke for sharing it?
>> >>
>> >> Denise Dalphond
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 5:24 AM Sjoerd 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Denise, is there any Social Justice Bandwagon you will not jump on?
>> >> For the love of the 808, please refrain from this and find common
>> >> ground in the beauty of this music instead of trying to sow division
>> >> between people by this racebaiting.
>> >>
>> >> I think few people care if the writer of the article has a Black or
>> >> White skin colour, since what matters is the message, and the
>> >> message is T-E-C-H-N-O and Unity between people from all walks of
>> >> life.
>> >>
>> >> Andrew, thanks for posting this. A lot has been written on the
>> >> subject of Detroit Techno and I appreciate someone took the time and
>> >> effort to collect them all. Seriously, the further we move forward
>> >> in time, the more I realize that the future about this technological
>> >> dystopia was already written way back in the 80's, with the origins
>> >> of Techno in the Motorcity.
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 at 16:11, Denise Dalphond
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> A majority of those articles and books are by white people. What do
>> >> they mean by Black perspective. You could also go to the Dancecult
>> >> website: https://dancecult-research.net/references/
>> >>
>> >> Denise
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 9:53 AM Andrew Duke
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Dweller Electronics
>> >>
>> >> writings from a black perspective
>> >>
>> >> Our co-editor Ryan Clarke has researched a list of articles,
>> >> interviews and documentaries about techno and its history. We have
>> >> compiled it into this library that will be updated as we find more
>> >> relevant work.
>> >>
>> >> It is organized by date and divided into two lists “Reading” and
>> >> “Audio/Visual”.
>> >>
>> >> https://dwellerforever.blog/library
>> >  --
>> > Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
>> > ethnomusicologist
>> > schoolcraftwax.work [1]
>> >
>> > Links:
>> > --
>> > [1] http://schoolcraftwax.work
>>
>>

Re: Fwd: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)

[kent williams]

You said it well.

Denise deserves respect and attention.  I've made myself clear in the last
e-mail what I would like to see happen, and now I regret even posting that
on-list.

I'm not going to say any more on this. If anyone wants to e-mail me
directly, I'll read and respond.

On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 12:25 PM Kevin Kennedy  wrote:

> I rarely chime in on the list but trend towards paying attention when I
> can.
>
> For many, it can be really difficult to cut through the 'noise' that
> happens on a daily basis, as we are 100% inundated with information about
> nearly any and every subject we could be interested in, and some we're not.
>
> Maybe the choice of words "perspective" may have been in some ways
> incomplete/misleading, however the intent was understood by me to be one of
> a noble and humble nature.  Most people don't have the time in their modern
> life to collect all of the reading documents and take the deeper dive
> necessary to understand any subject.  Unfortunately, not all techno people
> are academics-but many are curious, which is a great trait for anyone
> academically-minded.
>
> That said, I LOVE  Dr. Denise, and you all should know that she 'keeps
> that same energy' for EVERYTHING...as Ethnomusicology is also her life's
> work.  If many had as much passion and persistence to rely on, we'd all
> probably do much more than we already do.
>
> Fire and emotional content aren't easy things to channel.  It's taken me
> years to learn how to choose when and where I call out things I don't
> like.  I've recently done an interview with Peter Kirn and while I had some
> opportunity to say whatever I chose, I realized that denigrating people can
> be messy.
>
> DWELLER, as a whole, is a useful resource and may get one more person to
> understand better the history of this music and have a better appreciation
> for what makes it special and influential.  We must all learn together,
> those who haven't learned the story should, and those who are attempting to
> be helpful should be encouraged to find other resources that could be more
> relevant if the ones they share are in some way not.
>
> I'm going to say in closing that we all on this list have a duty to
> understand one another.  We have to come together like buttcheeks instead
> of sniping at each other like the outside world does on a daily basis.
> We're all here on this list for the music first-But we can also learn from
> each other.
>
> I sincerely hope all of you are well.  FBK out.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:34 AM kent williams 
> wrote:
>
>> On the one hand, Denise has valid points.
>>
>> On the other hand she attacks people who have done nothing but good for
>> the Techno community, has never minimized the contribution of black
>> artists, and has never centered themselves in the discussion.
>>
>> Denise, you need to find a way to make the points you want to make
>> without making other people want to leave the 313 list.
>>
>> I've never wanted to silence anyone on this list and have never banned
>> anyone just for being outspoken, but at this point this list is a shadow of
>> its former self, and a lot of it has to do with people posting things that
>> make people feel uncomfortable.  And not the 'questioning my privilege'
>> uncomfortable, like 'being personally attacked without justification'
>> uncomfortable.
>>
>> I don't just see the public posts, I get private e-mails all the time
>> with complaints about other list members.  Those are private, but regular
>> list members only see what's on the list.
>>
>> No one can argue with Denise's contribution to music scholarship dealing
>> with black music, and no one should.
>>
>> But being aggressive and disagreeable on the mailing list makes it about
>> you, not about the music or the people.
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:21 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Allgxxd
>>>
>>> I hear you essay
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> On 2020-06-24 14:11, Daniel Bean wrote:
>>> > Whoops sorry, meant to send that to the list.
>>> >
>>> > -- Forwarded message -
>>> > From: DANIEL BEAN 
>>> > Date: Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:08 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
>>> > To: Denise Dalphond 
>>> >
>>> > Have to agree with Denise here, the idea that we can somehow ignore
>>> > race in techno (or any other American music forms for that matter) is
>>> > ludicrous, especially at the moment.
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 1:32 PM Denise Dalphond
>>> >  wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Have you read my dissertation? Your suggestion makes no sense. Did
>>> >> you know Portia Maultsby was my teacher? Have you seen that chart of
>>> >> Black music genres floating around IG and FB? She made that.
>>> >> That’s part of her life’s work. And now, since I got to help her
>>> >> with it in graduate school, I get to help her update it
>>> >> professionally. So, s.
>>> >>
>>> >> Do you not live in the United States? Do you not understand what is
>>> >> 

Re: Fwd: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)

[Kevin Kennedy]

I rarely chime in on the list but trend towards paying attention when I
can.

For many, it can be really difficult to cut through the 'noise' that
happens on a daily basis, as we are 100% inundated with information about
nearly any and every subject we could be interested in, and some we're not.

Maybe the choice of words "perspective" may have been in some ways
incomplete/misleading, however the intent was understood by me to be one of
a noble and humble nature.  Most people don't have the time in their modern
life to collect all of the reading documents and take the deeper dive
necessary to understand any subject.  Unfortunately, not all techno people
are academics-but many are curious, which is a great trait for anyone
academically-minded.

That said, I LOVE  Dr. Denise, and you all should know that she 'keeps that
same energy' for EVERYTHING...as Ethnomusicology is also her life's work.
If many had as much passion and persistence to rely on, we'd all probably
do much more than we already do.

Fire and emotional content aren't easy things to channel.  It's taken me
years to learn how to choose when and where I call out things I don't
like.  I've recently done an interview with Peter Kirn and while I had some
opportunity to say whatever I chose, I realized that denigrating people can
be messy.

DWELLER, as a whole, is a useful resource and may get one more person to
understand better the history of this music and have a better appreciation
for what makes it special and influential.  We must all learn together,
those who haven't learned the story should, and those who are attempting to
be helpful should be encouraged to find other resources that could be more
relevant if the ones they share are in some way not.

I'm going to say in closing that we all on this list have a duty to
understand one another.  We have to come together like buttcheeks instead
of sniping at each other like the outside world does on a daily basis.
We're all here on this list for the music first-But we can also learn from
each other.

I sincerely hope all of you are well.  FBK out.




On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:34 AM kent williams 
wrote:

> On the one hand, Denise has valid points.
>
> On the other hand she attacks people who have done nothing but good for
> the Techno community, has never minimized the contribution of black
> artists, and has never centered themselves in the discussion.
>
> Denise, you need to find a way to make the points you want to make without
> making other people want to leave the 313 list.
>
> I've never wanted to silence anyone on this list and have never banned
> anyone just for being outspoken, but at this point this list is a shadow of
> its former self, and a lot of it has to do with people posting things that
> make people feel uncomfortable.  And not the 'questioning my privilege'
> uncomfortable, like 'being personally attacked without justification'
> uncomfortable.
>
> I don't just see the public posts, I get private e-mails all the time with
> complaints about other list members.  Those are private, but regular list
> members only see what's on the list.
>
> No one can argue with Denise's contribution to music scholarship dealing
> with black music, and no one should.
>
> But being aggressive and disagreeable on the mailing list makes it about
> you, not about the music or the people.
>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:21 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
>
>> Allgxxd
>>
>> I hear you essay
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> On 2020-06-24 14:11, Daniel Bean wrote:
>> > Whoops sorry, meant to send that to the list.
>> >
>> > -- Forwarded message -
>> > From: DANIEL BEAN 
>> > Date: Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:08 PM
>> > Subject: Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
>> > To: Denise Dalphond 
>> >
>> > Have to agree with Denise here, the idea that we can somehow ignore
>> > race in techno (or any other American music forms for that matter) is
>> > ludicrous, especially at the moment.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 1:32 PM Denise Dalphond
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Have you read my dissertation? Your suggestion makes no sense. Did
>> >> you know Portia Maultsby was my teacher? Have you seen that chart of
>> >> Black music genres floating around IG and FB? She made that.
>> >> That’s part of her life’s work. And now, since I got to help her
>> >> with it in graduate school, I get to help her update it
>> >> professionally. So, s.
>> >>
>> >> Do you not live in the United States? Do you not understand what is
>> >> changing here in the United States? Stop embarrassing yourself.
>> >>
>> >> And why didn’t you get mad at Andrew Duke for sharing it?
>> >>
>> >> Denise Dalphond
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 5:24 AM Sjoerd 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Denise, is there any Social Justice Bandwagon you will not jump on?
>> >> For the love of the 808, please refrain from this and find common
>> >> ground in the beauty of this music instead of trying to sow division
>> >> between people by this 

Re: Fwd: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)

[kent williams]

On the one hand, Denise has valid points.

On the other hand she attacks people who have done nothing but good for the
Techno community, has never minimized the contribution of black artists,
and has never centered themselves in the discussion.

Denise, you need to find a way to make the points you want to make without
making other people want to leave the 313 list.

I've never wanted to silence anyone on this list and have never banned
anyone just for being outspoken, but at this point this list is a shadow of
its former self, and a lot of it has to do with people posting things that
make people feel uncomfortable.  And not the 'questioning my privilege'
uncomfortable, like 'being personally attacked without justification'
uncomfortable.

I don't just see the public posts, I get private e-mails all the time with
complaints about other list members.  Those are private, but regular list
members only see what's on the list.

No one can argue with Denise's contribution to music scholarship dealing
with black music, and no one should.

But being aggressive and disagreeable on the mailing list makes it about
you, not about the music or the people.

On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 9:21 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:

> Allgxxd
>
> I hear you essay
>
> Cheers
>
> On 2020-06-24 14:11, Daniel Bean wrote:
> > Whoops sorry, meant to send that to the list.
> >
> > -- Forwarded message -
> > From: DANIEL BEAN 
> > Date: Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:08 PM
> > Subject: Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
> > To: Denise Dalphond 
> >
> > Have to agree with Denise here, the idea that we can somehow ignore
> > race in techno (or any other American music forms for that matter) is
> > ludicrous, especially at the moment.
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 1:32 PM Denise Dalphond
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> Have you read my dissertation? Your suggestion makes no sense. Did
> >> you know Portia Maultsby was my teacher? Have you seen that chart of
> >> Black music genres floating around IG and FB? She made that.
> >> That’s part of her life’s work. And now, since I got to help her
> >> with it in graduate school, I get to help her update it
> >> professionally. So, s.
> >>
> >> Do you not live in the United States? Do you not understand what is
> >> changing here in the United States? Stop embarrassing yourself.
> >>
> >> And why didn’t you get mad at Andrew Duke for sharing it?
> >>
> >> Denise Dalphond
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 5:24 AM Sjoerd 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Denise, is there any Social Justice Bandwagon you will not jump on?
> >> For the love of the 808, please refrain from this and find common
> >> ground in the beauty of this music instead of trying to sow division
> >> between people by this racebaiting.
> >>
> >> I think few people care if the writer of the article has a Black or
> >> White skin colour, since what matters is the message, and the
> >> message is T-E-C-H-N-O and Unity between people from all walks of
> >> life.
> >>
> >> Andrew, thanks for posting this. A lot has been written on the
> >> subject of Detroit Techno and I appreciate someone took the time and
> >> effort to collect them all. Seriously, the further we move forward
> >> in time, the more I realize that the future about this technological
> >> dystopia was already written way back in the 80's, with the origins
> >> of Techno in the Motorcity.
> >>
> >> On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 at 16:11, Denise Dalphond
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> A majority of those articles and books are by white people. What do
> >> they mean by Black perspective. You could also go to the Dancecult
> >> website: https://dancecult-research.net/references/
> >>
> >> Denise
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 9:53 AM Andrew Duke
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> Dweller Electronics
> >>
> >> writings from a black perspective
> >>
> >> Our co-editor Ryan Clarke has researched a list of articles,
> >> interviews and documentaries about techno and its history. We have
> >> compiled it into this library that will be updated as we find more
> >> relevant work.
> >>
> >> It is organized by date and divided into two lists “Reading” and
> >> “Audio/Visual”.
> >>
> >> https://dwellerforever.blog/library
> >  --
> > Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
> > ethnomusicologist
> > schoolcraftwax.work [1]
> >
> > Links:
> > --
> > [1] http://schoolcraftwax.work
>
>

Re: Fwd: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)

[cnd]

Allgxxd

I hear you essay

Cheers

On 2020-06-24 14:11, Daniel Bean wrote:

Whoops sorry, meant to send that to the list.

-- Forwarded message -
From: DANIEL BEAN 
Date: Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
To: Denise Dalphond 

Have to agree with Denise here, the idea that we can somehow ignore
race in techno (or any other American music forms for that matter) is
ludicrous, especially at the moment.

On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 1:32 PM Denise Dalphond
 wrote:


Have you read my dissertation? Your suggestion makes no sense. Did
you know Portia Maultsby was my teacher? Have you seen that chart of
Black music genres floating around IG and FB? She made that.
That’s part of her life’s work. And now, since I got to help her
with it in graduate school, I get to help her update it
professionally. So, s.

Do you not live in the United States? Do you not understand what is
changing here in the United States? Stop embarrassing yourself.

And why didn’t you get mad at Andrew Duke for sharing it?

Denise Dalphond

On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 5:24 AM Sjoerd 
wrote:

Denise, is there any Social Justice Bandwagon you will not jump on?
For the love of the 808, please refrain from this and find common
ground in the beauty of this music instead of trying to sow division
between people by this racebaiting.

I think few people care if the writer of the article has a Black or
White skin colour, since what matters is the message, and the
message is T-E-C-H-N-O and Unity between people from all walks of
life.

Andrew, thanks for posting this. A lot has been written on the
subject of Detroit Techno and I appreciate someone took the time and
effort to collect them all. Seriously, the further we move forward
in time, the more I realize that the future about this technological
dystopia was already written way back in the 80's, with the origins
of Techno in the Motorcity.

On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 at 16:11, Denise Dalphond
 wrote:

A majority of those articles and books are by white people. What do
they mean by Black perspective. You could also go to the Dancecult
website: https://dancecult-research.net/references/

Denise

On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 9:53 AM Andrew Duke
 wrote:

Dweller Electronics

writings from a black perspective

Our co-editor Ryan Clarke has researched a list of articles,
interviews and documentaries about techno and its history. We have
compiled it into this library that will be updated as we find more
relevant work.

It is organized by date and divided into two lists “Reading” and
“Audio/Visual”.

https://dwellerforever.blog/library

 --
Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
ethnomusicologist
schoolcraftwax.work [1]

Links:
--
[1] http://schoolcraftwax.work

Fwd: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)

[Daniel Bean]

Whoops sorry, meant to send that to the list.

-- Forwarded message -
From: Daniel Bean 
Date: Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
To: Denise Dalphond 


Have to agree with Denise here, the idea that we can somehow ignore race in
techno (or any other American music forms for that matter) is ludicrous,
especially at the moment.

On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 1:32 PM Denise Dalphond 
wrote:

> Have you read my dissertation? Your suggestion makes no sense. Did you
> know Portia Maultsby was my teacher? Have you seen that chart of Black
> music genres floating around IG and FB? She made that. That’s part of her
> life’s work. And now, since I got to help her with it in graduate school, I
> get to help her update it professionally. So, s.
>
> Do you not live in the United States? Do you not understand what is
> changing here in the United States? Stop embarrassing yourself.
>
> And why didn’t you get mad at Andrew Duke for sharing it?
>
>
> Denise Dalphond
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 5:24 AM Sjoerd  wrote:
>
>> Denise, is there any Social Justice Bandwagon you will not jump on? For
>> the love of the 808, please refrain from this and find common ground in the
>> beauty of this music instead of trying to sow division between people by
>> this racebaiting.
>>
>> I think few people care if the writer of the article has a Black or White
>> skin colour, since what matters is the message, and the message is
>> T-E-C-H-N-O and Unity between people from all walks of life.
>>
>> Andrew, thanks for posting this. A lot has been written on the subject of
>> Detroit Techno and I appreciate someone took the time and effort to collect
>> them all. Seriously, the further we move forward in time, the more I
>> realize that the future about this technological dystopia was already
>> written way back in the 80's, with the origins of Techno in the Motorcity.
>>
>> On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 at 16:11, Denise Dalphond 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A majority of those articles and books are by white people. What do they
>>> mean by Black perspective. You could also go to the Dancecult website:
>>> https://dancecult-research.net/references/
>>>
>>> Denise
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 9:53 AM Andrew Duke <
>>> andrewdukecognit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Dweller Electronics

 writings from a black perspective

 Our co-editor Ryan Clarke has researched a list of articles, interviews
 and documentaries about techno and its history. We have compiled it into
 this library that will be updated as we find more relevant work.

 It is organized by date and divided into two lists “Reading” and
 “Audio/Visual”.

 https://dwellerforever.blog/library

 --
> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
> ethnomusicologist
> schoolcraftwax.work
>