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Phonopsia wrote: Despite a severe hangover, I made it up to Cargo for Sunday night. Some of the best £4 I've ever spent. Fat Freddy's (???)... were wicked. Their 15 That'd be Fat Freddy's Drop from Wellington/NZ. I saw them in Sydney/AU earlier on in the year and they were absolutely wicked. Apparently the lead singer (Dallas) is doing some work with Recloose in the studio for some upcoming Recloose stuff and also I think Dallas and the saxophonist from Fat Freddy's has just done a live show together for the North Sea Jazz Festival. Or was that a show elsewhere in Europe. Can't remember for sure... hazy memory...
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> > Recloose followed with a nice dub-into hip hop and house set that really hit > the spot. I've never been floored by his DJ mechanics, but I have to give it > up for his sense of when to drop the (very) short mix despite one horrendous > 4 minute train wreck in the middle that he wouldn't let go. Surprisingly, > after that he proceeded to enter deep house mixing zone and rode it out in > immaculate style, carrying every mix at legth to perfection. What a way to > end a beautful weekend in London! With so much coming up, this is shaping up > to be a legendary Summer! we had recloose up here at Eyes Down in manchester over the weekend. played more of a hiphop/downtempo set (probs to fit the night, eyes down aint known for it's techno :) ) which left the detroit heads wanting but overall was a proper groovin set... robin...
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I thought it was very average in Manchester. If I wanted a hip hop gig I'd go to one. Is this what planet-e is pushing for? And he could have played some better hip hop too *snigger*. Apart from that, the fact that an MC was talking over everything and one air conditioning wall unit upstairs blowing smoke really made it an average night. And those curtains just did NOTHING except get in the way. Whats the point? |-Original Message- |From: robin pinning [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Sent: 14 July 2003 12:20 |To: 313@hyperreal.org |Subject: Re: (313) 313 Weekend in London | | |> |> Recloose followed with a nice dub-into hip hop and house set that |> really hit the spot. I've never been floored by his DJ |mechanics, but |> I have to give it up for his sense of when to drop the (very) short |> mix despite one horrendous 4 minute train wreck in the |middle that he |> wouldn't let go. Surprisingly, after that he proceeded to enter deep |> house mixing zone and rode it out in immaculate style, |carrying every |> mix at legth to perfection. What a way to end a beautful weekend in |> London! With so much coming up, this is shaping up to be a legendary |> Summer! | | |we had recloose up here at Eyes Down in manchester over the |weekend. played more of a hiphop/downtempo set (probs to fit |the night, eyes down aint known for it's techno :) ) which |left the detroit heads wanting but overall was a proper groovin set... | | | |robin... |
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re. recloose in Manc. >If I wanted a hip hop gig I'd go to one. >Is this what planet-e is pushing for? You DID go to one. Eyes Down is a hip hop gig. I don't think Planet E had anything to do with it. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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A hip hop gig where they play deep house & disco. Interesting. It must be a manchester thing.. You know, next thing mills will be playing drum and bass. |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Sent: 14 July 2003 13:10 |To: 313@hyperreal.org |Subject: RE: (313) 313 Weekend in London | | | |re. recloose in Manc. | |>If I wanted a hip hop gig I'd go to one. |>Is this what planet-e is pushing for? | |You DID go to one. Eyes Down is a hip hop gig. |I don't think Planet E had anything to do with it. | | | | | | | |_ | |- End of message text | |This e-mail is sent by the above named in their |individual, non-business capacity and is not on |behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. | |PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming |e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and |telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you |give your consent to such monitoring | | |
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dont forget larry heard did a few very good drum and bass tunes - its all possible! ab -Original Message- From: Ryan Snowden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 9:38 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) 313 Weekend in London A hip hop gig where they play deep house & disco. Interesting. It must be a manchester thing.. You know, next thing mills will be playing drum and bass. |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Sent: 14 July 2003 13:10 |To: 313@hyperreal.org |Subject: RE: (313) 313 Weekend in London | | | |re. recloose in Manc. | |>If I wanted a hip hop gig I'd go to one. |>Is this what planet-e is pushing for? | |You DID go to one. Eyes Down is a hip hop gig. |I don't think Planet E had anything to do with it. | | | | | | | |_ | |- End of message text | |This e-mail is sent by the above named in their |individual, non-business capacity and is not on |behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. | |PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming |e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and |telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you |give your consent to such monitoring | | | --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003
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>A hip hop gig where they play deep house & disco. Interesting. It must be >a manchester thing.. You know, next thing mills will be playing drum and >bass. WTF? It's called sticking your neck out and trying to progress things. Yeah, they play disco, deep house, broken beat, hip hop, hungarian jazz, pop, techno, whatever. It's a hip hop party, because that's where they come from. alot of their guests are hip hop people too. I think they'd probably try to put more techno and house guests on but I think they worry that most house/techno people wouldn't understand the asthetics of the party. Recloose was someone who fitted in to their way of thinking because he plays across the board. Who was their last guest? was it ?ouestlove ? and, no. It isn't a 'Manchester' thing, it's a trying to do something different at no personal gain for the people in Manchester as there aren't alot of others trying. Jesus f**king christ. You've really pi**ed me off by saying that. Good parties in manchester are few and far between, can you not look to the positive points? They had to sell out that party to even break-even. They still went ahead anyway. they thought people might enjoy it. I was there at the end. Looked like a load of people enjoyed it to me. I certainly did. But then, if you're going to let a curtain ruin your night and then moan about it, then well, I dunno. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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Ryan Snowden wrote on Mon, 14 Jul 2003 about following: > A hip hop gig where they play deep house & disco. Interesting. It must be oh boy i feel that there is yet another roots of hip hop and electro discussion coming. it's current trend to play old funk, disco & soul in hip hop gigs, why not deep house, it's not that far.. sakke -- Timing must be perfect now. Two-timing must be better than perfect. http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/
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Cr4p to that. If you're going to put on a hip hop gig or broken beats then you get a hip hop dude, not some deep house dj off a label in detroit who has a few half baked outdated hip hop records in his collection which SURPRISE he is partial too. That combined with an MC trying to rhyme over aint-changin' really takes the piss! I can deal with curtains and heat, but I can deal with a gig which is "oh a bit of everything really". That's not progression, its LAME. |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Sent: 14 July 2003 13:26 |To: 313@hyperreal.org |Subject: RE: (313) 313 Weekend in London | | | |>A hip hop gig where they play deep house & disco. Interesting. It |>must |be |>a manchester thing.. You know, next thing mills will be playing drum |>and bass. | |WTF? | |It's called sticking your neck out and trying to progress |things. Yeah, they play disco, deep house, broken beat, hip |hop, hungarian jazz, pop, techno, whatever. It's a hip hop |party, because that's where they come from. alot of their |guests are hip hop people too. I think they'd probably try to |put more techno and house guests on but I think they worry |that most house/techno people wouldn't understand the |asthetics of the party. Recloose was someone who fitted in to |their way of thinking because he plays across the board. Who |was their last guest? was it ?ouestlove ? | |and, no. It isn't a 'Manchester' thing, it's a trying to do |something different at no personal gain for the people in |Manchester as there aren't alot of others trying. | |Jesus f**king christ. You've really pi**ed me off by saying |that. Good parties in manchester are few and far between, can |you not look to the positive points? | |They had to sell out that party to even break-even. They still |went ahead anyway. they thought people might enjoy it. I was |there at the end. Looked like a load of people enjoyed it to |me. I certainly did. But then, if you're going to let a |curtain ruin your night and then moan about it, then well, I |dunno. |_ | |- End of message text | |This e-mail is sent by the above named in their |individual, non-business capacity and is not on |behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. | |PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming |e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and |telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you |give your consent to such monitoring | | |
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not sure if you are aware of this but there are people who want to go out and listen to quality music across a few different genres and just want to have a bit of fun with their mates. not everyone who goes to a club stands in a corner stroking their chin and taking notes on a pad. NOTE : THIS IS A HOUSE DJ PLAYING HIP HOP OH MY GOD I MUST GET ALL UPSET ON MY INTERNET MAILING LIST TOMORROW! ab -Original Message- From: Ryan Snowden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 9:57 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) 313 Weekend in London Cr4p to that. If you're going to put on a hip hop gig or broken beats then you get a hip hop dude, not some deep house dj off a label in detroit who has a few half baked outdated hip hop records in his collection which SURPRISE he is partial too. That combined with an MC trying to rhyme over aint-changin' really takes the piss! I can deal with curtains and heat, but I can deal with a gig which is "oh a bit of everything really". That's not progression, its LAME. |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Sent: 14 July 2003 13:26 |To: 313@hyperreal.org |Subject: RE: (313) 313 Weekend in London | | | |>A hip hop gig where they play deep house & disco. Interesting. It |>must |be |>a manchester thing.. You know, next thing mills will be playing drum |>and bass. | |WTF? | |It's called sticking your neck out and trying to progress |things. Yeah, they play disco, deep house, broken beat, hip |hop, hungarian jazz, pop, techno, whatever. It's a hip hop |party, because that's where they come from. alot of their |guests are hip hop people too. I think they'd probably try to |put more techno and house guests on but I think they worry |that most house/techno people wouldn't understand the |asthetics of the party. Recloose was someone who fitted in to |their way of thinking because he plays across the board. Who |was their last guest? was it ?ouestlove ? | |and, no. It isn't a 'Manchester' thing, it's a trying to do |something different at no personal gain for the people in |Manchester as there aren't alot of others trying. | |Jesus f**king christ. You've really pi**ed me off by saying |that. Good parties in manchester are few and far between, can |you not look to the positive points? | |They had to sell out that party to even break-even. They still |went ahead anyway. they thought people might enjoy it. I was |there at the end. Looked like a load of people enjoyed it to |me. I certainly did. But then, if you're going to let a |curtain ruin your night and then moan about it, then well, I |dunno. |_ | |- End of message text | |This e-mail is sent by the above named in their |individual, non-business capacity and is not on |behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. | |PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming |e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and |telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you |give your consent to such monitoring | | | --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003
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I think it's lame to go to a gig and hope everything confirms to a narrowly prescribed set of parameters - ie it all must be techno. There's not enough diversity in clubbing and I applaud anyone making the effort to promote variety in a club night. -Original Message- From: Ryan Snowden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 12:27 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) 313 Weekend in London Cr4p to that. If you're going to put on a hip hop gig or broken beats then you get a hip hop dude, not some deep house dj off a label in detroit who has a few half baked outdated hip hop records in his collection which SURPRISE he is partial too. That combined with an MC trying to rhyme over aint-changin' really takes the piss! I can deal with curtains and heat, but I can deal with a gig which is "oh a bit of everything really". That's not progression, its LAME. |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Sent: 14 July 2003 13:26 |To: 313@hyperreal.org |Subject: RE: (313) 313 Weekend in London | | | |>A hip hop gig where they play deep house & disco. Interesting. It |>must |be |>a manchester thing.. You know, next thing mills will be playing drum |>and bass. | |WTF? | |It's called sticking your neck out and trying to progress |things. Yeah, they play disco, deep house, broken beat, hip |hop, hungarian jazz, pop, techno, whatever. It's a hip hop |party, because that's where they come from. alot of their |guests are hip hop people too. I think they'd probably try to |put more techno and house guests on but I think they worry |that most house/techno people wouldn't understand the |asthetics of the party. Recloose was someone who fitted in to |their way of thinking because he plays across the board. Who |was their last guest? was it ?ouestlove ? | |and, no. It isn't a 'Manchester' thing, it's a trying to do |something different at no personal gain for the people in |Manchester as there aren't alot of others trying. | |Jesus f**king christ. You've really pi**ed me off by saying |that. Good parties in manchester are few and far between, can |you not look to the positive points? | |They had to sell out that party to even break-even. They still |went ahead anyway. they thought people might enjoy it. I was |there at the end. Looked like a load of people enjoyed it to |me. I certainly did. But then, if you're going to let a |curtain ruin your night and then moan about it, then well, I |dunno. |_ | |- End of message text | |This e-mail is sent by the above named in their |individual, non-business capacity and is not on |behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. | |PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming |e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and |telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you |give your consent to such monitoring | | | # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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Ryan Snowden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I thought it was very average in Manchester. If I wanted a hip hop gig I'd > go to one. Is this what planet-e is pushing for? And he could have played > some better hip hop too *snigger*. Apart from that, the fact that an MC was > talking over everything and one air conditioning wall unit upstairs blowing > smoke really made it an average night. And those curtains just did NOTHING > except get in the way. Whats the point? but this was at Eyes Down...they love their hiphop and i'll groove to anything that's quality and played on a nice clear PA that shakes plaster off the ceiling, and by people who are properly into this not just in it for the cash... people need to let go of the "i'll only dance to _insert fave genre_", a nice variety in a night really grabs me now rather than 5 hours of seemlessly blended techno loops...don't get me wrong i love techno too but if they're not playing that i don't fret but appreciate when i do go to a techno nite... oh yeah and about the venue...i love the down and dirty vibe of the place (band on the wall) it feels more like a party (as in block party) and less like i'm meant to be wearing a shirt and shiney shoes... overall hats off to the Eyes Down gang for putting him on robin...
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> oh boy i feel that there is yet another roots of hip hop and electro > discussion coming. it's current trend to play old funk, disco > & soul in > hip hop gigs, why not deep house, it's not that far.. Surely origins of hip-hop = cuttin up old funk/disco etc ? Anyhoo who cares as long as theres booty shakin soul in the music !! Peace, marc -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice.
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Has everyone gone mad? If you go to a gig and Vogel is playing, you don't expect him to break out in gospel house do you? |-Original Message- |From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Sent: 14 July 2003 14:36 |To: Ryan Snowden; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org |Subject: RE: (313) 313 Weekend in London | | |I think it's lame to go to a gig and hope everything confirms |to a narrowly prescribed set of parameters - ie it all must be |techno. There's not enough diversity in clubbing and I applaud |anyone making the effort to promote variety in a club night. | |-Original Message- |From: Ryan Snowden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 12:27 PM |To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 313@hyperreal.org |Subject: RE: (313) 313 Weekend in London | | |Cr4p to that. | |If you're going to put on a hip hop gig or broken beats then |you get a hip hop dude, not some deep house dj off a label in |detroit who has a few half baked outdated hip hop records in |his collection which SURPRISE he is partial too. That |combined with an MC trying to rhyme over aint-changin' really |takes the piss! I can deal with curtains and heat, but I can |deal with a gig which is "oh a bit of everything really". |That's not progression, its LAME. | ||-Original Message- ||From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ||Sent: 14 July 2003 13:26 ||To: 313@hyperreal.org ||Subject: RE: (313) 313 Weekend in London || || || ||>A hip hop gig where they play deep house & disco. Interesting. It ||>must ||be ||>a manchester thing.. You know, next thing mills will be playing drum ||>and bass. || ||WTF? || ||It's called sticking your neck out and trying to progress ||things. Yeah, they play disco, deep house, broken beat, hip ||hop, hungarian jazz, pop, techno, whatever. It's a hip hop ||party, because that's where they come from. alot of their ||guests are hip hop people too. I think they'd probably try to ||put more techno and house guests on but I think they worry ||that most house/techno people wouldn't understand the ||asthetics of the party. Recloose was someone who fitted in to ||their way of thinking because he plays across the board. Who ||was their last guest? was it ?ouestlove ? || ||and, no. It isn't a 'Manchester' thing, it's a trying to do ||something different at no personal gain for the people in ||Manchester as there aren't alot of others trying. || ||Jesus f**king christ. You've really pi**ed me off by saying ||that. Good parties in manchester are few and far between, can ||you not look to the positive points? || ||They had to sell out that party to even break-even. They still ||went ahead anyway. they thought people might enjoy it. I was ||there at the end. Looked like a load of people enjoyed it to ||me. I certainly did. But then, if you're going to let a ||curtain ruin your night and then moan about it, then well, I ||dunno. ||_ || ||- End of message text || ||This e-mail is sent by the above named in their ||individual, non-business capacity and is not on ||behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. || ||PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming ||e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and ||telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you ||give your consent to such monitoring || || || |### |## |Note: | |Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do |not necessarily represent |those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless |specifically stated. This email |and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely |for the use of the |individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have |received this email in |error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |Thank You. |### |## |
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Langsman, Marc wrote on Mon, 14 Jul 2003 about following: > > > oh boy i feel that there is yet another roots of hip hop and electro > > Surely origins of hip-hop = cuttin up old funk/disco etc ? now what did i just say... :) > Anyhoo who cares > as long as theres booty shakin soul in the music !! exactly. good music is good music no matter what. sakke -- Timing must be perfect now. Two-timing must be better than perfect. http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/
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>That's not progression, its LAME. come back to me when you've made your contribution. either that, or spare a thought at how much effort it takes, or financial contribution to do something. undergound music is a d.i.y thing. You MUST make your contribution. We take pleasure from people around the world busting their balls to make their own little effort so that we can enjoy it and take our personal pleasure from it. Be it putting out records, or doing parties. If everyone was take take take, the whole thing would fall apart very quickly because a) they're ain't no money in it, b) it's a lot of hard work for little thanks or monetary gain. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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> Has everyone gone mad? i dunno you possess a very 90s attitude to musicthis is the next millenium manthings changepeople (as i see it) want to go to a club and listen to just good music, whatever genre that's wat this whole non-mixing thing is all about...it allows you to move between genres better... (for a discussion on this see archives...it was a long discussion, don't assume that i think non-mixing is a totally good thing) > If you go to a gig and Vogel is playing, you don't expect him to break out > in gospel house do you? he'd be all the more interesting if he did...along with a shed load of other stylesanyway from what i hear (not seen him myself since 95) vogel plays all sorts of mad musics... robin...
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No, but it would be cool! Mills got cussed when he started playing disco cuts amongst his usual fare but sensible and open-minded people thought it was an inspired move. Are you one of those guys who moans at a Hood gig cos he plays Destiny's Child or Wu Tang? Possibly my favourite DJ is Laurent Garnier and he plays a bit of everything from house to techno to d'n'b to rave - and we love him for it. Why do think so many people rate FK ferchrissakes? I heard him an astonishing variety of genres at his last gig at Plastic People - I only heard one person bitching about it and he was a total nob. One of the reasons I'm looking forward to Carl Craig at Plastic People in London is because I am hoping he will mix it up. -Original Message- From: Ryan Snowden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 12:40 PM To: Robert Taylor; Ryan Snowden; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) 313 Weekend in London Has everyone gone mad? If you go to a gig and Vogel is playing, you don't expect him to break out in gospel house do you? |-Original Message- |From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Sent: 14 July 2003 14:36 |To: Ryan Snowden; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org |Subject: RE: (313) 313 Weekend in London | | |I think it's lame to go to a gig and hope everything confirms |to a narrowly prescribed set of parameters - ie it all must be |techno. There's not enough diversity in clubbing and I applaud |anyone making the effort to promote variety in a club night. | |-Original Message- |From: Ryan Snowden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 12:27 PM |To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 313@hyperreal.org |Subject: RE: (313) 313 Weekend in London | | |Cr4p to that. | |If you're going to put on a hip hop gig or broken beats then |you get a hip hop dude, not some deep house dj off a label in |detroit who has a few half baked outdated hip hop records in |his collection which SURPRISE he is partial too. That |combined with an MC trying to rhyme over aint-changin' really |takes the piss! I can deal with curtains and heat, but I can |deal with a gig which is "oh a bit of everything really". |That's not progression, its LAME. | ||-Original Message- ||From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ||Sent: 14 July 2003 13:26 ||To: 313@hyperreal.org ||Subject: RE: (313) 313 Weekend in London || || || ||>A hip hop gig where they play deep house & disco. Interesting. It ||>must ||be ||>a manchester thing.. You know, next thing mills will be playing drum ||>and bass. || ||WTF? || ||It's called sticking your neck out and trying to progress ||things. Yeah, they play disco, deep house, broken beat, hip ||hop, hungarian jazz, pop, techno, whatever. It's a hip hop ||party, because that's where they come from. alot of their ||guests are hip hop people too. I think they'd probably try to ||put more techno and house guests on but I think they worry ||that most house/techno people wouldn't understand the ||asthetics of the party. Recloose was someone who fitted in to ||their way of thinking because he plays across the board. Who ||was their last guest? was it ?ouestlove ? || ||and, no. It isn't a 'Manchester' thing, it's a trying to do ||something different at no personal gain for the people in ||Manchester as there aren't alot of others trying. || ||Jesus f**king christ. You've really pi**ed me off by saying ||that. Good parties in manchester are few and far between, can ||you not look to the positive points? || ||They had to sell out that party to even break-even. They still ||went ahead anyway. they thought people might enjoy it. I was ||there at the end. Looked like a load of people enjoyed it to ||me. I certainly did. But then, if you're going to let a ||curtain ruin your night and then moan about it, then well, I ||dunno. ||_ || ||- End of message text || ||This e-mail is sent by the above named in their ||individual, non-business capacity and is not on ||behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. || ||PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming ||e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and ||telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you ||give your consent to such monitoring || || || |### |## |Note: | |Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do |not necessarily represent |those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless |specifically stated. This email |and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely |for the use of
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>If you go to a gig and Vogel is playing, you don't expect him to break out >in gospel house do you? well, perhaps the world might show an interest in going to techno parties if he did. and not just us 'geeks' eh? _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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very good point, and one that's easy to forget/lose sight of...you're just a consumer otherwise...then you're stuck with Pete Tong/judge jules/fergie as the only type of dj that you see/hear a personal hell that one... r > >That's not progression, its LAME. > > come back to me when you've made your contribution. > > either that, or spare a thought at how much effort it takes, or financial > contribution to do something. > > undergound music is a d.i.y thing. You MUST make your contribution. > We take pleasure from people around the world busting their balls to make > their own little effort so that we can enjoy it and take our personal > pleasure from it. Be it putting out records, or doing parties. > > If everyone was take take take, the whole thing would fall apart very > quickly because a) they're ain't no money in it, b) it's a lot of hard work > for little thanks or monetary gain.
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Its funny you should ask I helped promote Recloose and common factor back in 2001 at a gig called Raw Funk, also villalobos, eddie flashin fowlkes, heiko laux, alexander kowalski, isolee. Don't rant onto me about contribution and sacrafice. Promoters should know if they're coming or going - not just shove on a gig which cross-covers music genre's. You're a sell out promoter who's just trying to get punters if you start doing a sankeys. |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Sent: 14 July 2003 13:49 |To: 313@hyperreal.org |Subject: RE: (313) 313 Weekend in London | | | |>That's not progression, its LAME. | |come back to me when you've made your contribution. | |either that, or spare a thought at how much effort it takes, |or financial contribution to do something. | |undergound music is a d.i.y thing. You MUST make your |contribution. We take pleasure from people around the world |busting their balls to make their own little effort so that we |can enjoy it and take our personal pleasure from it. Be it |putting out records, or doing parties. | |If everyone was take take take, the whole thing would fall |apart very quickly because a) they're ain't no money in it, b) |it's a lot of hard work for little thanks or monetary gain. | |_ | |- End of message text | |This e-mail is sent by the above named in their |individual, non-business capacity and is not on |behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. | |PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming |e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and |telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you |give your consent to such monitoring | | |
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People might show and interest in going to "techno parties" if he didnt play techno? Strange... On Monday, Jul 14, 2003, at 08:54 America/Detroit, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you go to a gig and Vogel is playing, you don't expect him to break out in gospel house do you? well, perhaps the world might show an interest in going to techno parties if he did. and not just us 'geeks' eh? _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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Promoters should know if they're coming or going - not just shove on a gig which cross-covers music genre's. You're a sell out promoter who's just trying to get punters if you start doing a sankeys. >>>One word: Bollocks # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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Yeah maybe if he played classical with a hint of death metal it might attract a crowd. |-Original Message- |From: Adam H [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Sent: 14 July 2003 14:06 |To: 313@hyperreal.org |Subject: Re: (313) 313 Weekend in London | | |People might show and interest in going to "techno parties" if |he didnt |play techno? | |Strange... | | | |On Monday, Jul 14, 2003, at 08:54 America/Detroit, |[EMAIL PROTECTED] |wrote: | |> |>> If you go to a gig and Vogel is playing, you don't expect him to |>> break out |>> in gospel house do you? |> |> well, perhaps the world might show an interest in going to techno |> parties |> if he did. |> |> and not just us 'geeks' eh? |> _ |> |> - End of message text |> |> This e-mail is sent by the above named in their |> individual, non-business capacity and is not on |> behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. |> |> PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and |> other telecommunications on its e-mail and |telecommunications systems. |> By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring |> |> |> |
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> Yeah maybe if he played classical with a hint of death metal it might > attract a crowd. if the nite is a death metal nite with a broad mind and people enjoy it what's the problem? (hopefully you'll see the parallels with saturday in that) robin...
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I don't see what broad mindedness has to do with people going along to see recloose, a house producer on a primarily house record label and expecting to hear house. The broadmindedness comes in when they can still have a good time. And let me make this clear, I danced all night and I *also* had a great time. Not because I'm broad minded, but because life is too short :-) |-Original Message- |From: robin pinning [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Sent: 14 July 2003 14:10 |To: 313@hyperreal.org |Subject: RE: (313) 313 Weekend in London | | | |> Yeah maybe if he played classical with a hint of death metal |it might |> attract a crowd. | | |if the nite is a death metal nite with a broad mind and people |enjoy it what's the problem? | |(hopefully you'll see the parallels with saturday in that) | |robin... |
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Aaaarrgggh! There are lot of people who want to hear more than just techno when they go out. Many older clubbers (not me, I hasten to add) have stopped going clubbing cos they have gotten bored of the tyranny of the kick drum and would be tempted back by a bit of diversity. To cater for that isn't commercialism, it's common sense - commercial clubs are NOT diverse in the music policy - the kids at the moment love kick drums and little else (hence the popularity of hard house and hard trance). Haven't we been here before? Somebody ain't listening or is obtusely missing the point. -Original Message- From: Adam H [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 1:06 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) 313 Weekend in London People might show and interest in going to "techno parties" if he didnt play techno? Strange... On Monday, Jul 14, 2003, at 08:54 America/Detroit, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> If you go to a gig and Vogel is playing, you don't expect him to >> break out >> in gospel house do you? > > well, perhaps the world might show an interest in going to techno > parties > if he did. > > and not just us 'geeks' eh? > _ > > - End of message text > > This e-mail is sent by the above named in their > individual, non-business capacity and is not on > behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. > > PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming > e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and > telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you > give your consent to such monitoring > > > # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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Tyranny of the kick drum eh? O_o _I dont have a problem with diversity_ but I do have a problem with non-techno somehow being a techno progression, getting people into "techno parties" by not playing techno, etc etc On Monday, Jul 14, 2003, at 10:13 America/Detroit, Robert Taylor wrote: Aaaarrgggh! There are lot of people who want to hear more than just techno when they go out. Many older clubbers (not me, I hasten to add) have stopped going clubbing cos they have gotten bored of the tyranny of the kick drum and would be tempted back by a bit of diversity. To cater for that isn't commercialism, it's common sense - commercial clubs are NOT diverse in the music policy - the kids at the moment love kick drums and little else (hence the popularity of hard house and hard trance). Haven't we been here before? Somebody ain't listening or is obtusely missing the point. -Original Message- From: Adam H [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 1:06 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) 313 Weekend in London People might show and interest in going to "techno parties" if he didnt play techno? Strange... On Monday, Jul 14, 2003, at 08:54 America/Detroit, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you go to a gig and Vogel is playing, you don't expect him to break out in gospel house do you? well, perhaps the world might show an interest in going to techno parties if he did. and not just us 'geeks' eh? _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring ### ## Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. ### ##
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>Its funny you should ask >I helped promote Recloose and common factor back in 2001 at a gig called Raw >Funk, also villalobos, eddie flashin fowlkes, heiko laux, alexander >kowalski, isolee. OK, not in Manchester though? I'm talking about Manchester particuarly because it's a fickle market (obviously its smaller than London, and therefore the percentage of people interested is smaller) and one that needs someone to do something for the people who live here. It's ball breaking stuff to be honest. I did it for at least 5 years. >Don't rant onto me about contribution and sacrafice. OK, fair enough, I apologise. You caught me at a bad time. anyway, I'm sure people are sick of this now, so I'll shut up. But please remember, this isn't London or Glasgow - and we have to take what we can get. Rather that than nothing in my opinion. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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> Tyranny of the kick drum eh? O_o > > _I dont have a problem with diversity_ but I do have a problem with > non-techno somehow being a techno progression, getting people into > "techno parties" by not playing techno, etc etc techno came out of a huge variety of different types of musicmaybe going back to a more varied approach will yield a progression? no one knows the answer to this but i'm willing to give it a go :) robin...
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I think both dj's who only play techno and dj's who mix it are both valid approaches. Its just a style thing and this is some dj's style and they are good at it and can get away with it while some dj's i would prefer to hear play techno all night because this is what they play best. Neither is wrong, and really i can enjoy both just depending on what i feel like. I think the important thing is going to see a DJ's interpretation of the music and as long as its done tastefully and i'm in the mood for it then fine by me. Also techno doesn't haven't to be all 4/4 tyranny, there does exist techno without 4/4 beats. One more spanner in the works here-maybe peoples interpretation of dance music and or techno can differ from their exposure depending on their age and locality so its going to be impossible to come to a general consensus. Its all good if its good. Quest
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I don't want to take sides on this or anything. I just wondered if hip hop is not as mainstream there or something? Here in Chicago there are a million places to hear hip hop and not just the top 40 stuff but more underground (relatively) stuff plus tons of rare groove and funk and soul. With house it is still here, although quite a bit less, it isn't surprising to hear some deep house at all kinds of random small bars however. For techno, along with minimal, microhouse, electro (not clash) and experimental, there is very little, and almost zero Detroit style techno. The point being, for a US DJ to play hiphop is a kind of mainstream thing to do in my opinion, not that it isn't good but seems like that stuff already gets a lot of play. Of course things are different over there across the ocean. But I guess I could see how I might be disappointed if I went hoping to hear some Detroit style sounds and got hiphop which I get to hear constantly. /Dave -- Original Message ----- Subject: RE: (313) 313 Weekend in London Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 13:48:46 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org >That's not progression, its LAME. come back to me when you've made your contribution. either that, or spare a thought at how much effort it takes, or financial contribution to do something. undergound music is a d.i.y thing. You MUST make your contribution. We take pleasure from people around the world busting their balls to make their own little effort so that we can enjoy it and take our personal pleasure from it. Be it putting out records, or doing parties. If everyone was take take take, the whole thing would fall apart very quickly because a) they're ain't no money in it, b) it's a lot of hard work for little thanks or monetary gain. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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Just wondering whats the average age of an older clubber? Also, if hi vocals are hissy/ distorted is that my needle or the record damaged? Can you tell by looking at a record if its damaged? and if so how... -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 15 July 2003 2:13 a.m. To: Adam H; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) 313 Weekend in London Aaaarrgggh! There are lot of people who want to hear more than just techno when they go out. Many older clubbers (not me, I hasten to add) have stopped going clubbing cos they have gotten bored of the tyranny of the kick drum and would be tempted back by a bit of diversity. To cater for that isn't commercialism, it's common sense - commercial clubs are NOT diverse in the music policy - the kids at the moment love kick drums and little else (hence the popularity of hard house and hard trance). Haven't we been here before? Somebody ain't listening or is obtusely missing the point. -Original Message- From: Adam H [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 1:06 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) 313 Weekend in London People might show and interest in going to "techno parties" if he didnt play techno? Strange... On Monday, Jul 14, 2003, at 08:54 America/Detroit, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> If you go to a gig and Vogel is playing, you don't expect him to >> break out >> in gospel house do you? > > well, perhaps the world might show an interest in going to techno > parties > if he did. > > and not just us 'geeks' eh? > _ > > - End of message text > > This e-mail is sent by the above named in their > individual, non-business capacity and is not on > behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. > > PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming > e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and > telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you > give your consent to such monitoring > > > # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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At 04:17 PM 7/14/2003, Ralf Gill wrote: Just wondering whats the average age of an older clubber? Dunno. I'm 46, but I'm usually not able to BE out that late :-) (work + school, etc.) And if I was, it would be the overwhelming cigarette smoke WHICH would keep me away otherwise. I choose my venues with that in mind. jeff
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Just for the record, my email program has taken to capitalizing words now and then when memory is dragged upon - the word "which" in my last email has no special significance. jeff
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Ralf Gill wrote on Tue, 15 Jul 2003 about following: > Just wondering whats the average age of an older clubber? 28! > Also, if hi vocals are hissy/ distorted is that my needle or the record > damaged? Can you tell by looking at a record if its damaged? and if so > how... Could be worn-out record, or worn-out needle; OR just horribly badly mastered track, quite common mistake nowadays - just too much compression. try with other needle, if the sound is still the same, it's either record or mastering; then compare two copies of the record.. and you might want to read this too: http://needleexpress.com/faq.htm sakke -- Timing must be perfect now. Two-timing must be better than perfect. http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/
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Well, playing the same style all night at ~ the same bpm is just fooking boring, I don't care how old you are or what music happens to be popular. I felt this way 15 years ago and I still feel this way @ 37. Which btw, is prolly not the average age (if there is one). hehe lisa Ralf Gill wrote: Just wondering whats the average age of an older clubber? Also, if hi vocals are hissy/ distorted is that my needle or the record damaged? Can you tell by looking at a record if its damaged? and if so how... -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 15 July 2003 2:13 a.m. To: Adam H; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) 313 Weekend in London Aaaarrgggh! There are lot of people who want to hear more than just techno when they go out. Many older clubbers (not me, I hasten to add) have stopped going clubbing cos they have gotten bored of the tyranny of the kick drum and would be tempted back by a bit of diversity. To cater for that isn't commercialism, it's common sense - commercial clubs are NOT diverse in the music policy - the kids at the moment love kick drums and little else (hence the popularity of hard house and hard trance). Haven't we been here before? Somebody ain't listening or is obtusely missing the point. -Original Message- From: Adam H [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 1:06 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) 313 Weekend in London People might show and interest in going to "techno parties" if he didnt play techno? Strange... On Monday, Jul 14, 2003, at 08:54 America/Detroit, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you go to a gig and Vogel is playing, you don't expect him to break out in gospel house do you? well, perhaps the world might show an interest in going to techno parties if he did. and not just us 'geeks' eh? _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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Specifically Security on Automan 6..when the women speaks its sounds very tttss, distorted sibilance I think is the phrase used..is this the record or my setup? Anyone else heard this? -Original Message- From: Sakari Karipuro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 15 July 2003 10:13 a.m. To: Ralf Gill Cc: '313@hyperreal.org' Subject: RE: (313) 313 Weekend in London Ralf Gill wrote on Tue, 15 Jul 2003 about following: > Just wondering whats the average age of an older clubber? 28! > Also, if hi vocals are hissy/ distorted is that my needle or the record > damaged? Can you tell by looking at a record if its damaged? and if so > how... Could be worn-out record, or worn-out needle; OR just horribly badly mastered track, quite common mistake nowadays - just too much compression. try with other needle, if the sound is still the same, it's either record or mastering; then compare two copies of the record.. and you might want to read this too: http://needleexpress.com/faq.htm sakke -- Timing must be perfect now. Two-timing must be better than perfect. http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/
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Ryan Snowden wrote: Cr4p to that. If you're going to put on a hip hop gig or broken beats then you get a hip hop dude, not some deep house dj off a label in detroit who has a few half Have you seen Recloose dj at all before?? He's always far from being just a "deep house dj". The two times I've seen him at a "deep house" night here in Sydney, he's always been right across the board. From hip-hop to electro to deep house to funk to disco to broken beat to techno and beyond.
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"The two times I've seen him at a "deep house"
night here in Sydney, he's always been right across the board. From
hip-hop to electro to deep house to funk to disco to broken beat to
techno and beyond."
That sounds like a *real* deep house set to me - anything else is just
scratching the surface (no pun intended)
but then again I'm 33 and I wear ear plugs in clubs (at least in this town
ha ha ha)
MEK
David Gillies
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cc: 313@hyperreal.org
07/14/03 06:42 PM Subject: Re: (313) 313 Weekend
in London
Ryan Snowden wrote:
>Cr4p to that.
>
>If you're going to put on a hip hop gig or broken beats then you get a hip
>hop dude, not some deep house dj off a label in detroit who has a few half
>
Have you seen Recloose dj at all before?? He's always far from being
just a "deep house dj". The two times I've seen him at a "deep house"
night here in Sydney, he's always been right across the board. From
hip-hop to electro to deep house to funk to disco to broken beat to
techno and beyond.
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On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 12:24:47 +0100, "Ryan Snowden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I thought it was very average in Manchester. If I wanted a hip hop gig > I'd > go to one. Is this what planet-e is pushing for? And he could have > played > some better hip hop too *snigger*. Apart from that, the fact that an MC > was > talking over everything and one air conditioning wall unit upstairs > blowing > smoke really made it an average night. And those curtains just did > NOTHING > except get in the way. Whats the point? On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 13:07:52 +0100, "Ryan Snowden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > A hip hop gig where they play deep house & disco. Interesting. It must > be > a manchester thing.. You know, next thing mills will be playing drum and > bass. Well Mills plays disco and house as well as techno. Laurent Garnier whilst being a techno/tech-house producer (to box him in) plays anything and everything. I've seen him layup 155bpm Roni Size records alongside Luke Slater records. The key is to playing good music, no matter what the genre. Who says you can't play Sade next to T La Rock next to Common Factor next to Drexciya? Throw the rule book out the window. Are the tracks good? Yes. Does the transition work? Quite possibly. Unfortunately, some DJs are a little one-dimensional in the attitude towards playing music, and those that can trascend genres are typically better DJs IMHO. When I was younger, it was detroit tech and nothing else. I gradually eased into other genres such as house, and now I'll play whatever I think will make people dance and be happy. I remember a night in Adelaide where HMC used to play for 6 or so hours, and it would range from dub to minimal tech, vocal house some electro, and whatever. Recloose the two times I've seen him (as previously mentioned by a few other Sydney-siders) laid down the full 9, hip-hop, broken beat, house, electro etc.. Sure, you wouldn't put him on at a straight up hip hop night, but put him on at a 'deep house' night and it will work because he's the type of artist that has a following of slightly older persons who are more excepting to a little variet in their music tastes - as long as it's off class, then it's all good. -- Benn Glazier aka DJ Royal [EMAIL PROTECTED] ph:+61 (0)413 316 618 http://www.royaltech.net
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "The two times I've seen him at a "deep house" night here in Sydney, he's always been right across the board. From hip-hop to electro to deep house to funk to disco to broken beat to techno and beyond." That sounds like a *real* deep house set to me - anything else is just scratching the surface (no pun intended) Sheeet. Wish we could get more deep house sets like that in Sydney :-D I think your comment just further cements that in my mind I'm just not sure exactly what the hell deep house is since everyone seems to have a different definition. Perhaps thats what this thread is all about?? ;-) Although some days I'm not even sure what exactly techno is either. I guess at the end of the day its all either "good music" or "bad music". but then again I'm 33 and I wear ear plugs in clubs (at least in this town ha ha ha) I'm 26 and I wear ear plugs. Does that make me old before my time? ;-)
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-- Original Message -- From: Ryan Snowden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Yeah maybe if he played classical with a hint of death metal it might >attract a crowd. the amount of death metal that draws heavily from classical music is pretty large. youre just showing your weak minded musical view. anyway, ive played classical records in sets with alot of "techno". ive played hiphop records too. and ive played metal and punk records mixed with breakcore (for ed luna down in columbus even, accidentily got him moshing to "waiting room" by fugazi). on thursday night i played a set that went from detroit house to disco to techno to hiphop to dub, non-mixed half of it, and heads loved it and filled the dancefloor the whole time. phooey on you. tom andythepooh.com
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-- Original Message -- From: Ryan Snowden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >I don't see what broad mindedness has to do with people going along to see >recloose, a house producer on a primarily house record label and expecting >to hear house. okay, by "house", which planet e records are you talking about? do you mean the detroit experiment? or the innerzone orchestra? or the 4th wave record? or maybe their release of the 2000 black LP "the good good"? wait you must mean the quadrant record. or maybe that new tres demented. no wait, i know, youre referring to "dencity", "dislocate", "procession", "M.I.A.", "absence of one", "cardiology", "landscaping", and "insomnia in dub", all tunes by recloose, none of which resemble "house" music in any way shape or form. in case you werent counting, recloose's material (all released on planet e of course) is a track or two away from 50% downtempo in a hiphop/dub stylee. so are you just not paying attention or what? tom andythepooh.com
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-- Original Message -- From: "David Powers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >But I guess I could see how I might be disappointed if I went hoping to hear some Detroit style sounds and got hiphop which I get to hear constantly. i think ryan should email mr recloose and let him know that his artistic vision of what a deejay set should sound like just isnt living up to his expectations, and that he should play more "house". i know id love to receive an email like that from someone. tom andythepooh.com
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lamer |-Original Message- |From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Sent: 15 July 2003 09:12 |To: 313@hyperreal.org |Subject: RE: (313) 313 Weekend in London | | |-- Original Message -- |From: Ryan Snowden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | |>Yeah maybe if he played classical with a hint of death metal it might |>attract a crowd. | |the amount of death metal that draws heavily from classical |music is pretty large. youre just showing your weak minded |musical view. anyway, ive played classical records in sets |with alot of "techno". ive played hiphop records too. and ive |played metal and punk records mixed with breakcore (for ed |luna down in columbus even, accidentily got him moshing to |"waiting room" by fugazi). on thursday night i played a set |that went from detroit house to disco to techno to hiphop to |dub, non-mixed half of it, and heads loved it and filled the |dancefloor the whole time. phooey on you. | |tom | | |andythepooh.com | | | | |
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I think you're missing the point that when a dj crosses genre's then that just his "sound". A gig which crosses genre's is entirely different and usually has a pants trance room for the kids, a drum and bass room for the girls, a house room and a techno room, etc. This is off topic. We were talking how the gig was sh1t because *I* thought he played lame hip hop and the fact someone on a mic was chatting through everything. |-Original Message- |From: Benn Glazier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Sent: 15 July 2003 06:43 |To: Ryan Snowden; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 313@hyperreal.org |Subject: RE: (313) 313 Weekend in London | | |On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 12:24:47 +0100, "Ryan Snowden" |<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: |> I thought it was very average in Manchester. If I wanted a hip hop |> gig I'd go to one. Is this what planet-e is pushing for? And he |> could have played |> some better hip hop too *snigger*. Apart from that, the |fact that an MC |> was |> talking over everything and one air conditioning wall unit upstairs |> blowing smoke really made it an average night. And those curtains |> just did NOTHING |> except get in the way. Whats the point? | |On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 13:07:52 +0100, "Ryan Snowden" |<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: |> A hip hop gig where they play deep house & disco. Interesting. It |> must be a manchester thing.. You know, next thing mills will be |> playing drum and bass. | |Well Mills plays disco and house as well as techno. Laurent |Garnier whilst being a techno/tech-house producer (to box him |in) plays anything and everything. I've seen him layup 155bpm |Roni Size records alongside Luke Slater records. | |The key is to playing good music, no matter what the genre. |Who says you can't play Sade next to T La Rock next to Common |Factor next to Drexciya? Throw the rule book out the window. |Are the tracks good? Yes. Does the transition work? Quite possibly. | |Unfortunately, some DJs are a little one-dimensional in the |attitude towards playing music, and those that can trascend |genres are typically better DJs IMHO. When I was younger, it |was detroit tech and nothing else. I gradually eased into |other genres such as house, and now I'll play whatever I think |will make people dance and be happy. | |I remember a night in Adelaide where HMC used to play for 6 or |so hours, and it would range from dub to minimal tech, vocal |house some electro, and whatever. Recloose the two times I've |seen him (as previously mentioned by a few other |Sydney-siders) laid down the full 9, hip-hop, broken beat, |house, electro etc.. Sure, you wouldn't put him on at a |straight up hip hop night, but put him on at a 'deep house' |night and it will work because he's the type of artist that |has a following of slightly older persons who are more |excepting to a little variet in their music tastes - as long |as it's off class, then it's all good. | | |-- | |Benn Glazier |aka DJ Royal |[EMAIL PROTECTED] |ph:+61 (0)413 316 618 |http://www.royaltech.net |
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> From there I wandered around the corner to catch the last hour of Tom > Churchill's set... Glad you enjoyed it - good to see you on Sunday too! Managed to put the records back in order for once, so here's what I played - I know there was a tune or two you were asking about... Francois K - Looking At The Stars (Wave) Cesario Evora - Angola [Carl Craig mix] (BMG) I:Cube - Vacjack (Versatile) Pepe Bradock - 4 (Atavisme) Why Sheep? - Earthborn [Recloose mix] (Third Ear) Nutmeg - State Of Mind (Neroli) Unknown - Our Music (Our Music) Needs - Reminiscence (Clairaudience) Aroy Dee - Planets (NWAQ) Thomas Fehlmann - Andrea Is Delighted (~Scape) Ben Neville - The Norris Division Sucked (Telegraph) Melchior Production - Love Is (Playhouse) Fabrice Lig - Escape From Nowhere [John Tejada mix] (Raygun) Elijah - Ice2Go (Iridite) Drexciya - Black Sea (Warp) Dexter - I Don't Care (Klackson) Drug Punks - Drug [Morillo dub] (Sondos) Pastamusik - Charmin (Pastamusik) Luke Slater - Nothing At All [Console mix] (Novamute) Kemit Sources - Bor Dlan [I:Cube mix] (Versatile) World 2 World - Jupiter Jazz (UR) Los Hermanos - Tres b2 (Los Hermanos) Rhythim Is Rhythim - The Dance (Transmat) Somatik - Interaktion (Twisted Funk) Clara Hill - Here [Extended dub] (Sonar Kollektiv) Rick Wade - Big Foot (Music Is...) Swag - The Party's Over (Version) Freaks vs 012 - I'm An Angry Instrument (Wash House) Strand - Revival Tent (Tactile) Cargo on Sunday was cool - we listened to Fat Freddy's Drop while we ate dinner outside, had a boogie to Recloose, who was dropping some nice midtempo broken beat, house, hip hop and stuff, then headed over the road for the last hour or so of Co-Op, which was absolutely rammed with Domu tearing it up. Back-to-back CDR/dubplate action from IG Culture and Orin Walters finished the night off in style... Big shouts to all the 313ers I met over the weekend - and thanks for coming along on Saturday night. Extra big shout to the Brixton Techno Mafia :) Glasgow people - don't forget Titonton is playing at Higher Ground at the Riverside on Saturday night, and there's also a Traxx party at the Unit going on all night with myself, Simon Cordiner and Martin from Rubadub/Club 69 supplying the tunes... Cheers, Tom
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-- Original Message -- From: Ryan Snowden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >lamer good witty retort. tom andythepooh.com
Re: (313) 313 Weekend in London
Well, I know I've put thing into categories before (electro vs.
electroclash anyone??) but I'm stepping away from that attitude more and
more. It is just good or bad music and it's a personal opinion when it
comes to that even.
If everything had to fit into defined categories then I doubt a record like
"Techno: The New Dance Sound of Detroit" would be made today (at least by a
major label).
If you listen to that record - none of the songs really sound the same.
There are tracks that sound similar to Chicago house, some are electro
based, some are pretty wild electronic r&b tunes. It's all techno - or
house.
These categories serve more of a purpose for people to say "I am this - I
am not that". They brand themselves and their mindset - can be good or bad
depending on how far you take it I suppose.
MEK
David Gillies
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cc: 313@hyperreal.org
07/15/03 02:08 AMSubject: Re: (313) 313 Weekend
in London
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>"The two times I've seen him at a "deep house"
>night here in Sydney, he's always been right across the board. From
>hip-hop to electro to deep house to funk to disco to broken beat to
>techno and beyond."
>
>That sounds like a *real* deep house set to me - anything else is just
>scratching the surface (no pun intended)
>
Sheeet. Wish we could get more deep house sets like that in Sydney :-D I
think your comment just further cements that in my mind I'm just not
sure exactly what the hell deep house is since everyone seems to have a
different definition. Perhaps thats what this thread is all about?? ;-)
Although some days I'm not even sure what exactly techno is either. I
guess at the end of the day its all either "good music" or "bad music".
>but then again I'm 33 and I wear ear plugs in clubs (at least in this town
>ha ha ha)
>
I'm 26 and I wear ear plugs. Does that make me old before my time? ;-)
Re: (313) 313 Weekend in London
"It is just good or bad music and it's a personal opinion when it
comes to that even."
"It's all techno - or house."
"They brand themselves and their mindset - can be good or bad depending on
how far you take it I suppose."
Can I get some syrup for my waffles?
;D
MEK
Michael.Elliot-Knight
@fallon.com To: David Gillies
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
cc: 313@hyperreal.org
07/15/03 10:59 AM Subject: Re: (313) 313
Weekend in London
Well, I know I've put thing into categories before (electro vs.
electroclash anyone??) but I'm stepping away from that attitude more and
more. It is just good or bad music and it's a personal opinion when it
comes to that even.
If everything had to fit into defined categories then I doubt a record like
"Techno: The New Dance Sound of Detroit" would be made today (at least by a
major label).
If you listen to that record - none of the songs really sound the same.
There are tracks that sound similar to Chicago house, some are electro
based, some are pretty wild electronic r&b tunes. It's all techno - or
house.
These categories serve more of a purpose for people to say "I am this - I
am not that". They brand themselves and their mindset - can be good or bad
depending on how far you take it I suppose.
MEK
David Gillies
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
cc: 313@hyperreal.org
07/15/03 02:08 AMSubject: Re: (313) 313
Weekend in London
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>"The two times I've seen him at a "deep house"
>night here in Sydney, he's always been right across the board. From
>hip-hop to electro to deep house to funk to disco to broken beat to
>techno and beyond."
>
>That sounds like a *real* deep house set to me - anything else is just
>scratching the surface (no pun intended)
>
Sheeet. Wish we could get more deep house sets like that in Sydney :-D I
think your comment just further cements that in my mind I'm just not
sure exactly what the hell deep house is since everyone seems to have a
different definition. Perhaps thats what this thread is all about?? ;-)
Although some days I'm not even sure what exactly techno is either. I
guess at the end of the day its all either "good music" or "bad music".
>but then again I'm 33 and I wear ear plugs in clubs (at least in this town
>ha ha ha)
>
I'm 26 and I wear ear plugs. Does that make me old before my time? ;-)
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a drum and bass room for the > girls > huh? girls like dnb? > This is off topic. We were talking how the gig was sh1t because *I* thought > he played lame hip hop and the fact someone on a mic was chatting through > everything. > pussies always cry off topic when they can't hang =P > |-Original Message- > |From: Benn Glazier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > |Sent: 15 July 2003 06:43 > |To: Ryan Snowden; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 313@hyperreal.org > |Subject: RE: (313) 313 Weekend in London > | > | > |On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 12:24:47 +0100, "Ryan Snowden" > |<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > |> I thought it was very average in Manchester. If I wanted a hip hop > |> gig I'd go to one. Is this what planet-e is pushing for? And he > |> could have played > |> some better hip hop too *snigger*. Apart from that, the > |fact that an MC > |> was > |> talking over everything and one air conditioning wall unit upstairs > |> blowing smoke really made it an average night. And those curtains > |> just did NOTHING > |> except get in the way. Whats the point? > | > |On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 13:07:52 +0100, "Ryan Snowden" > |<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > |> A hip hop gig where they play deep house & disco. Interesting. It > |> must be a manchester thing.. You know, next thing mills will be > |> playing drum and bass. > | > |Well Mills plays disco and house as well as techno. Laurent > |Garnier whilst being a techno/tech-house producer (to box him > |in) plays anything and everything. I've seen him layup 155bpm > |Roni Size records alongside Luke Slater records. > | > |The key is to playing good music, no matter what the genre. > |Who says you can't play Sade next to T La Rock next to Common > |Factor next to Drexciya? Throw the rule book out the window. > |Are the tracks good? Yes. Does the transition work? Quite possibly. > | > |Unfortunately, some DJs are a little one-dimensional in the > |attitude towards playing music, and those that can trascend > |genres are typically better DJs IMHO. When I was younger, it > |was detroit tech and nothing else. I gradually eased into > |other genres such as house, and now I'll play whatever I think > |will make people dance and be happy. > | > |I remember a night in Adelaide where HMC used to play for 6 or > |so hours, and it would range from dub to minimal tech, vocal > |house some electro, and whatever. Recloose the two times I've > |seen him (as previously mentioned by a few other > |Sydney-siders) laid down the full 9, hip-hop, broken beat, > |house, electro etc.. Sure, you wouldn't put him on at a > |straight up hip hop night, but put him on at a 'deep house' > |night and it will work because he's the type of artist that > |has a following of slightly older persons who are more > |excepting to a little variet in their music tastes - as long > |as it's off class, then it's all good. > | > | > |-- > | > |Benn Glazier > |aka DJ Royal > |[EMAIL PROTECTED] > |ph:+61 (0)413 316 618 > |http://www.royaltech.net > | >
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its only rock'n'roll On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > "It is just good or bad music and it's a personal opinion when it > comes to that even." > > "It's all techno - or house." > > "They brand themselves and their mindset - can be good or bad depending on > how far you take it I suppose." > > Can I get some syrup for my waffles? > > ;D > > MEK > > > > > Michael.Elliot-Knight > @fallon.com To: David Gillies > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > cc: 313@hyperreal.org > 07/15/03 10:59 AMSubject: Re: (313) 313 > Weekend in London > > > > > > > > Well, I know I've put thing into categories before (electro vs. > electroclash anyone??) but I'm stepping away from that attitude more and > more. It is just good or bad music and it's a personal opinion when it > comes to that even. > If everything had to fit into defined categories then I doubt a record like > "Techno: The New Dance Sound of Detroit" would be made today (at least by a > major label). > If you listen to that record - none of the songs really sound the same. > There are tracks that sound similar to Chicago house, some are electro > based, some are pretty wild electronic r&b tunes. It's all techno - or > house. > These categories serve more of a purpose for people to say "I am this - I > am not that". They brand themselves and their mindset - can be good or bad > depending on how far you take it I suppose. > > MEK > > > > > > David Gillies > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >cc: 313@hyperreal.org > > 07/15/03 02:08 AMSubject: Re: (313) 313 > Weekend in London > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >"The two times I've seen him at a "deep house" > >night here in Sydney, he's always been right across the board. From > >hip-hop to electro to deep house to funk to disco to broken beat to > >techno and beyond." > > > >That sounds like a *real* deep house set to me - anything else is just > >scratching the surface (no pun intended) > > > Sheeet. Wish we could get more deep house sets like that in Sydney :-D I > think your comment just further cements that in my mind I'm just not > sure exactly what the hell deep house is since everyone seems to have a > different definition. Perhaps thats what this thread is all about?? ;-) > > Although some days I'm not even sure what exactly techno is either. I > guess at the end of the day its all either "good music" or "bad music". > > >but then again I'm 33 and I wear ear plugs in clubs (at least in this town > >ha ha ha) > > > I'm 26 and I wear ear plugs. Does that make me old before my time? ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a drum and bass room for the girls uh? girls like dnb? Yeah, haven't heard the saying; "Women respond to bass"?
