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Hey Francis, top party at the weekend! Big respeck for playing mr russell last. No need to apologise, top behaviour! Should have seen the idiots day out in Morecombe. Here's to the next one. Alex p.s. I thought A.I was crap too and I know nothing about films. p.p.s. top tip - putting a campsite in a field where theres loads of mushrooms growing is not conducive to good behaviour! _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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>I blame Francis and his camping/rave trips. Yes it kind of turned into one of those at points! (apology for my deranged behaviour towards the end of this event to be mailed to attendees later today) >I've been acting up today and talking rubbish so I apologise. I haven't even been able to face posting till now so here comes my longest post ever, relating to several threads that I can't be bothered to put into different replies: Of the films mentioned so far the ones I really like (unsure whether they are techno or not, tend to agree with Alex about the films being discussed being the kind of films a techno fan might like, but is that "rather than a techno film" or could that be one definition of what a techno film is?) Mulholland Drive (+ Eraserhead, Grandmother, Lost Highway and most Lynch stuff, though I like the book of Dune too much to think the film was good). Videodrome (snap on Cronenberg specially Existenz, Naked Lunch) The Phil Dick ones THX-1138 Pi City Of Lost Children atmospheric Tim Burton (eg. Batman, Sleepy Hollow) Metropolis Forbidden Planet and I can't believe nobody nominated The Day The Earth Stood Still (genius, Gort was the man [or robot!?]) + think I'll agree with "recently, eternal sunshine of the spotless mind gave me that feeling that really lush detroit techno gives me" I'm no film buff, lots of good sounding things have been mentioned that I know nothing about so if anyone can be bothered to hit me back off list with tiny descriptions (and likelihood of ever seeing it, don't have a DVD player but I may get one) I'd appreciate it. Ghost In The Shell Tetsuo Impostor Screamers Sankofa the films of Alejandro Jodorsky (this guy sounds intriguing - any good links?) Brainstorm Firestarter The Spook Who Sat By The Door Mantis (the tv pilot) Some of these sound like anime (I don't know what these terms [anime, manga, akira, etc.] really mean so if anyone wants to define them please do, on the other hand someone may want to tell me to stop wasting the time of a list about 313 techno and go and look on the internet - fair but some people on here seem to enjoy talking about this so why not let them correct my ignorance?) I'd like a few pointers in this direction, to be honest I watch little TV aside from the news, I tend to go to the cinema instead and even in a reasonable size UK city like Manchester these things don't really make the big screen but I'd appreciate the info. One thing I saw in this line (but not heard, it was being used as "visuals" at a club) was a Matrix spin off thing that appeared to be called "Rematriculated" and looked awesome - can anyone tell me about it (it wasn't the Matrix prequel thing, that was on too but this looked newer and more sophisticated). Personally (and as Sean said I think this is just down to whether you read the comics as a kid) I love comic book films - but only if they're faithful to the original and well done, recently I've loved both the Spiderman and X-Men ones but hated Daredevil and the Hulk. Must check Spawn and Hellboy, haven't seen these (is the latter out yet in the UK?). Films mentioned that I don't like: A.I. "can i add short circuit, back to the future". NO. I guess most of the films mentioned by myself and others are science fiction (or just plain whacky) and I think this link to techno is fair enough, personally I'm not feeling the 24 Hour Party People etc. link. In my still slightly addled mind this hooks up to Alex's question about what techno is. Which I'm not going to get into here (as I like to think about it walking to and from work instead) other than to say it's interesting (to me anyway) that I used to think of it as being machine music and since a high percentage of modern music (eg. pop acts' backing tracks) is now produced using computers in studios maybe most music is techno now! Seriously, I'm sure most people here (including me) wouldn't buy (or like) the idea but it's kind of amusing to think of it infiltrating and subverting to the point where it's the norm and I guess there's plenty of tracks from other current pigeon holes which if transported back 15 years people might describe as techno. OK I observe whatever conventions are current when I describe a record as techno but it's a bug-bear of mine that I walk into a good record shop and they have a tiny section marked "Techno" containing loop bangers and say they don't sell much techno now where they used to sell more but then have sections for "Electronica", "Nu Jazz" etc. that contain records that could well be (and formerly might have been) regarded as techno - I'm not getting at the people who run the shop, they're labelling things to people's expectations, what gets my goat is people who are convinced they "don't like techno" and then (OK probably unwittingly) make up a constant stream of new labels to avoid admitting that in fact that sound coming from the speakers is dynamite. End of rant. (that was a rant for me as I'm a gentle soul, can
Re: (313) 'Techno' Films/Ghost In The Shell
Cheers Brian. Ken On Tuesday, August 17, 2004, at 09:56 pm, Brian 'balistic' Prince wrote: I've seen a few episodes. It's good. Lots of scenarios involving artificial intelligence and the like. It suffers from the same over-abundance of bureaucratic drama as the GiTS movie, but if you can get past the section 6/section 9 crap, it's a good sci-fi show. Definitely the smartest anime TV series in years. The animation isn't amazing, since it's made for broadcast . . . in particular, the background paintings suck. Some of the CG stuff is rather nice though. Overall, enjoyable and thought-provoking. - Brian "balistic" Prince http://www.bprince.com - art and techno
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http://www.haackmovie.com/ from the Nashville Film Festival reviews: HAACK: THE KING OF TECHNO Documentary Total running time 74 min. USA 2003 DIR/PROD Philip Anagnos CAM T. Anotonio Somodevilla, Anagnos ED Anagnos, Kyle Yaskin No less than a secret history of modern music, this detailed, concise and entertaining look at the artistic legacy of composer/performer Bruce Haack explores both the roots of today's omnivorous technology-based approach to music (from the synthesizer up through ProTools) and the ceaseless imagination and drive that led to some of the most inventive and unique recordings of the twentieth century?even if they were on records made for children. Renaissance man Haack was a gifted composer, orchestrator, educator, engineer, and piano player. King of Techno is an accurate summation of Haack's legacy. Techno music (specifically with its aggressive soundscapes and completely synthetic construction) ties into Haack's sonic experiments as it does the electronic endeavors of Giorgio Moroder and Can and became a big influence on today?s techno musicians. Featuring revealing interviews with admirers (such as ?fourth Beastie Boy? Money Mark) and collaborators and vintage TV footage, the viewer is granted a look inside the evolving face of children's arts education (featuring a priceless clip of Haack on Mister Rogers' Neighborhood), the shifting paradigms of the music industry and the personal side of Haack in a film that is as playful and experimental as the music of Haack himself.
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Quoting Ken Odeluga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 'Ghost In The Shell: Stand Alone Complex' apparently now on DVD. > > Described as 'an ontological Law & Order > cop/counter-intelligence show. One episode references Jean-Luc Godard > extensively. Lots of thick detail and intriguing characters.' > > OK, so it doesn't sound like a film. I could google it, probably will. > But it seems more interesting to ask if this pings with anyone here. I've seen a few episodes. It's good. Lots of scenarios involving artificial intelligence and the like. It suffers from the same over-abundance of bureaucratic drama as the GiTS movie, but if you can get past the section 6/section 9 crap, it's a good sci-fi show. Definitely the smartest anime TV series in years. The animation isn't amazing, since it's made for broadcast . . . in particular, the background paintings suck. Some of the CG stuff is rather nice though. Overall, enjoyable and thought-provoking. - Brian "balistic" Prince http://www.bprince.com - art and techno
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Hey Marina. I think it was me missing the point really. when people explain, I understand. >section 25 an ex-listmembers uncle was in this band! cool uncle. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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On Tuesday, August 17, 2004, at 01:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: either I drank a large bottle of acid last night instead of my cocoa, or you lot are making no sense to me whatsoever. am I the only one that doesn't understand? 24 Hour Party People, a techno film? What? a bunch of gippo's from Manchester with a load of bands? I think you drank a large bottle of acid. LOL Anyway, nah, "24 Hour.." is Techno to ME because it relates musically to techno in my life (i.e. new order, joy division, section 25, etc), these were some of the bands I was listening to along with house and techno. These bands got attitude and a bit of tragedy as well, like Techno. It was the mood and texture I was getting at when selecting this film. Didn't mean to cause any confusion. I think the underscoring lesson here is that Techno is everything and anything you want it to be. Its the one characteristic that may very well be its curse and its blessing. Have a good day all, M.
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gonna head up there after pj harvey at the knitting factory On Tue, 17 Aug 2004, Greg Earle wrote: > On Aug 17, 2004, at 1:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > jack dangers just redid the Forbidden Planet soundtrack > > > > it's pretty good. > > Speaking of Jack Dangers and Techno films ... > > And he's going to be at The Egyptian theater in Hollywood tonight - > Tuesday the 17th, that is (as Tino Corp., along with Ben "DHS - > House Of God" Stokes) doing a live A/V performance as part of a > RES screening: > > http://www.res.com/magazine/articles/resscreeningaugust2004_2004-08 > -10.html > > No 313 videos unfortunately, but am looking forward to the Wagon Christ > joint. > > - Greg (posting for the benefit of the 3 or 4 LA 313'ers ;-) ) > >
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On Aug 17, 2004, at 1:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jack dangers just redid the Forbidden Planet soundtrack it's pretty good. Speaking of Jack Dangers and Techno films ... And he's going to be at The Egyptian theater in Hollywood tonight - Tuesday the 17th, that is (as Tino Corp., along with Ben "DHS - House Of God" Stokes) doing a live A/V performance as part of a RES screening: http://www.res.com/magazine/articles/resscreeningaugust2004_2004-08 -10.html No 313 videos unfortunately, but am looking forward to the Wagon Christ joint. - Greg (posting for the benefit of the 3 or 4 LA 313'ers ;-) )
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spoiler warning: don't read this if you haven't seen the movie.
http://dir.salon.com/ent/movies/feature/2001/10/23/mulholland_drive_analysis/index.html?pn=1
- Original Message -
From: Cyclone Wehner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, August 16, 2004 11:11 pm
Subject: Re: (313) TECHNO FILMS
> The Matrix OST was deplorable.
> Shocking.
>
> Angelo Badalamenti's soundtrack to Mulholland Dve sounded very
> Mayday to me.
>
> I guess that could pass as a techno film.
>
> I would freaking love to know what that film is about. I love
> David Lynch
> but he lost me with this one! I love subversive - but with some
> kind of
> logic (and/or narrative) please! ;)
>
>
>
> > Funny thing about this topic... When I think of techno films, I
> think of
> > films that I would love to hear rescored by a techno artist.
> They would be:
> >
> > The Crow
> > The Killer
> > Hardware
> > The Professional ("Leon" outside of the states)
> > Akira
> > Riding Bean
> > The Matrix
> > A Better Tomorrow
> > Hard Boiled (yes, I love the old John Woo/Chow Yun Fat flicks)
> > Black Moon Rising
> > The Terminator
> >
> > And a few other anime titles that I can't seem to remember the
> names of.
> >
>
RE: (313) Techno Films 23
jack dangers just redid the Forbidden Planet soundtrack it's pretty good. http://www.forcedexposure.com/bin/search.pl?search_string=forbidden+planet+explored&searchfield=keyword On Tue, 17 Aug 2004, Cobert, Gwendal wrote: > Oh, and while we're at it, Forbidden Planet has been mentioned, but no word > has been said of its great soundtrack : Louis & Bebe Barron were responsible > for it, they were also responsible, I think, for the samples of alien music > we can hear in the movie... other musicians who did a great deal of > electronic soundtracks would be Wendy/Walter Carlos (Tron, Clockwork Orange), > and John Carpenter (he scored a good number of his movies, tracks of him > sometimes resurface on comps or mixes)... > Gwendal > > -Original Message- > From: mxll [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 4:10 PM > To: Cobert, Gwendal; 313 List > Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films 23 > > > Thanx for finally spelling the guys name right > > Henrik > > > > >Regarding Jodorowsky, he's also a lot into psychanalysis and zen ; most > >famous for the Incal comic book, an amazing sci-fi series... very > >interesting guy. I don't think you can say he runs a "cult" though, as far > >as I'm aware. > >Gwendal > > > >-Original Message- > >From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 5:19 PM > >To: 313 List > >Subject: (313) Techno Films 23 > > > > > >Now I'm feeling a little better... > > > >For me I'd have to go for something by Alejandro Jodorsky, maybe Santa > >Sangre. Dark, twisted and outside norm, not a cliche in sight - a very > >clever film that works on many levels - very techno! > > > >Cheers > >Martin > > > > > > >
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ahhh, Mike. I was looking for explanations too, I couldn't understand why pretty much all those films were being quoted as techno films. I still reckon you were all scraping the barrel though ; ) & I was in a terrible mood at 7am this morning. I blame Francis and his camping/rave trips. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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well, I can't explain the first two but since I said Das Boot then - well yes, Das Boot it's the visual texture, the pacing, the claustrophobic atmosphere Seawolf? Submerge? every label of Surface records? sonar radar blips, depth charges, a crew of men incased in a steel ship underneath the ocean waves - hunting the enemy from underneath Submarines are very f'cking techno Alex Das Boot is a very techno film. Sure it's not sleek and ultra futuristic but neither is Metropolis I wouldn't call every submarine movie a techno movie - actually Das Boot is really the only one I would I don't think the film has to be set in the year 2525 to be techno nor does it have to have androids and computer chips MEK [EMAIL PROTECTED] com To: 313@hyperreal.org cc: 08/17/2004 01:44 Subject: Re: (313) Techno Films AM either I drank a large bottle of acid last night instead of my cocoa, or you lot are making no sense to me whatsoever. am I the only one that doesn't understand? 24 Hour Party People, a techno film? What? a bunch of gippo's from Manchester with a load of bands? Suspiria, wasn't that a b&w horror film? I can't remember the others, but good grief, my head is battered, I don't understand. and submarine films are techno too? I don't even know the rest of 'em, but you've all lost it if you ask me. either that or I have. please someone explain. weirdos. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
RE: (313) Techno Films 23
Oh, and while we're at it, Forbidden Planet has been mentioned, but no word has been said of its great soundtrack : Louis & Bebe Barron were responsible for it, they were also responsible, I think, for the samples of alien music we can hear in the movie... other musicians who did a great deal of electronic soundtracks would be Wendy/Walter Carlos (Tron, Clockwork Orange), and John Carpenter (he scored a good number of his movies, tracks of him sometimes resurface on comps or mixes)... Gwendal -Original Message- From: mxll [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 4:10 PM To: Cobert, Gwendal; 313 List Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films 23 Thanx for finally spelling the guys name right Henrik >Regarding Jodorowsky, he's also a lot into psychanalysis and zen ; most >famous for the Incal comic book, an amazing sci-fi series... very >interesting guy. I don't think you can say he runs a "cult" though, as far >as I'm aware. >Gwendal > >-Original Message- >From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 5:19 PM >To: 313 List >Subject: (313) Techno Films 23 > > >Now I'm feeling a little better... > >For me I'd have to go for something by Alejandro Jodorsky, maybe Santa >Sangre. Dark, twisted and outside norm, not a cliche in sight - a very >clever film that works on many levels - very techno! > >Cheers >Martin >
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Hello rt. Welcome. Martin would like to know what your favourite computer operating system is. *that was a joke btw Martin before the boys come hurtling over the pennines for me* ; ) _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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greetings m y first time here. Just subscribed 313. I'm very interested to know more about films/documentaries focused on a futuristic approach to 'music vs architecture'. Any reference apart from those would be greatly appreciated. regards to all rt - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 3:42 AM Subject: Re: (313) Techno Films > Architettura - a very short documentary about music and architecture (well > it was done by Iara Lee so it would be) just wish it was longer and went > into more detail about the buildings. As it is, the film is only 15 minutes > long. Far too short. > > La Voyage Dans la Lune (Voyage to the Moon/Trip to the Moon) - the special > affects in this turn of the century silent film are amazing, and the imagry > itself is fantastic. Everyone should be familiar with the rocket ship > lodging itelf in the eye of the moon. So atmospheric - old yet futuristic > (like Metropolis) > > MEK > >
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Regarding Jodorowsky, he's also a lot into psychanalysis and zen ; most famous for the Incal comic book, an amazing sci-fi series... very interesting guy. I don't think you can say he runs a "cult" though, as far as I'm aware. Gwendal -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 5:19 PM To: 313 List Subject: (313) Techno Films 23 Now I'm feeling a little better... For me I'd have to go for something by Alejandro Jodorsky, maybe Santa Sangre. Dark, twisted and outside norm, not a cliche in sight - a very clever film that works on many levels - very techno! Cheers Martin
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>Seriously though, I agree. This thread seems to have become more about some >films techno heads might like as opposed to films that somehow embody the >spirit, ideologies and essence of techno music. True Stuart. Don't get me wrong, you guys can talk about films all day, I don't mind. I know nothing about films and you guys have told me lots of films to check yesterday, but blimey, don't be trying to blag my head that 24 hour party people is some kind of techno film (and some of those others mentioned). Daft I may be, but I reckon I know that for sure. By some peoples arguments, I think I could make a case for every film being techno. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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> 24 Hour Party People, a techno film? > > What? a bunch of gippo's from Manchester with a load of bands? Well yeah, you know, they go to some parties and sometimes techno people go to parties and they do drugs and sometimes techno people do drugs and Shaun Ryder poisons a bunch of pigeons and sometimes techno people...hang on a sec. > Suspiria, wasn't that a b&w horror film? No, it was colour, but had a Goblins soundtrack which I guess is fairly heavily synthesised and so might appeal to a few techno heads. Personally I think Argento is one of the most overrated directors going, but that just me. > and submarine films are techno too? Of course, but only since UR did seawolf. Hang on, didnt they also do a track called Killer Whale or something? Does that make Free Willy a techno film too? Seriously though, I agree. This thread seems to have become more about some films techno heads might like as opposed to films that somehow embody the spirit, ideologies and essence of techno music.
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either I drank a large bottle of acid last night instead of my cocoa, or you lot are making no sense to me whatsoever. am I the only one that doesn't understand? 24 Hour Party People, a techno film? What? a bunch of gippo's from Manchester with a load of bands? Suspiria, wasn't that a b&w horror film? I can't remember the others, but good grief, my head is battered, I don't understand. and submarine films are techno too? I don't even know the rest of 'em, but you've all lost it if you ask me. either that or I have. please someone explain. weirdos. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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The Matrix OST was deplorable.
Shocking.
Angelo Badalamenti's soundtrack to Mulholland Dve sounded very Mayday to me.
I guess that could pass as a techno film.
I would freaking love to know what that film is about. I love David Lynch
but he lost me with this one! I love subversive - but with some kind of
logic (and/or narrative) please! ;)
> Funny thing about this topic... When I think of techno films, I think of
> films that I would love to hear rescored by a techno artist. They would be:
>
> The Crow
> The Killer
> Hardware
> The Professional ("Leon" outside of the states)
> Akira
> Riding Bean
> The Matrix
> A Better Tomorrow
> Hard Boiled (yes, I love the old John Woo/Chow Yun Fat flicks)
> Black Moon Rising
> The Terminator
>
> And a few other anime titles that I can't seem to remember the names of.
>
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Architettura - a very short documentary about music and architecture (well it was done by Iara Lee so it would be) just wish it was longer and went into more detail about the buildings. As it is, the film is only 15 minutes long. Far too short. La Voyage Dans la Lune (Voyage to the Moon/Trip to the Moon) - the special affects in this turn of the century silent film are amazing, and the imagry itself is fantastic. Everyone should be familiar with the rocket ship lodging itelf in the eye of the moon. So atmospheric - old yet futuristic (like Metropolis) MEK
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no you don't MEK [EMAIL PROTECTED] et To: matrix313 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: marina pure sonik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 313@hyperreal.org 08/16/2004 08:40 Subject: Re: (313) Techno Films PM shit- the you might as well say Groove On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, matrix313 wrote: > on 8/16/04 5:21 PM, marina pure sonik at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > 24 Hour Party People > > > okay. if youre gonna pull the "24 Hour..." card I gotta trump you with the > movie "Party Monster". Set during the heyday of the old LImelight in NYC and > stars Seth Green and Macaully Chaulkin as the ultimate clubkids. the music > is great (for us geezers, that is) and the plot and acting is pretty funny. > it's based on a true story. also: the best part is "Phez" from That 70's > Show plays Superstar DJ Keioki!! > > "If all else fails, just play techno. everyone will think youre cutting > edge." > > just one of the hilarious quotes from the movie :^) > >
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shit- the you might as well say Groove On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, matrix313 wrote: > on 8/16/04 5:21 PM, marina pure sonik at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > 24 Hour Party People > > > okay. if youre gonna pull the "24 Hour..." card I gotta trump you with the > movie "Party Monster". Set during the heyday of the old LImelight in NYC and > stars Seth Green and Macaully Chaulkin as the ultimate clubkids. the music > is great (for us geezers, that is) and the plot and acting is pretty funny. > it's based on a true story. also: the best part is "Phez" from That 70's > Show plays Superstar DJ Keioki!! > > "If all else fails, just play techno. everyone will think youre cutting > edge." > > just one of the hilarious quotes from the movie :^) > >
Re: (313) Alien was Re: (313) Techno Films
Ha ha, it's 'cause of the Olympics that I am watching all these DVDs - escape! I only enjoy sport when we beat the English. ;) > and as the 2nd and 3rd in his career! Andrew np American TV ignoring > the fact that their American Phelps is getting his ass kicked by Aussie > Thorpe. > Speaking of which: > What is it with lippy teenagers at this Olympics? First the Chinese > weightlifter > saying the 31year old Hungarian (who went on to win gold yet again) was > "old and over the hill", and then Phelps saying he would win 8 gold like > it was nothing for Dan Spitz to have won 7 years back. Geez, have some > respect.
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Tom Churchill wrote: Have I not been paying attention or has no-one mentioned Alien yet!? Ah yes, Ridley Scott's second film and the one he directed before Blade Runner. Excellent, but misses out, IMO, on the emotive angle of Blade Runner and Impostor. Love Giger, love Sigourney Weaver's strong female character (a first film for her, and a first for a strong female action lead), but it was her vs. the alien, whereas Blade Runner and Imposter was more "unselfish" in that people cared for each other (Alien had characters that hated each other practically, and was more "who'll be last standing" focused). Don't get me wrong, I *do* love the movie. Interesting that Ridley did those two outstanding films back to back and as the 2nd and 3rd in his career! Andrew np American TV ignoring the fact that their American Phelps is getting his ass kicked by Aussie Thorpe. Speaking of which: What is it with lippy teenagers at this Olympics? First the Chinese weightlifter saying the 31year old Hungarian (who went on to win gold yet again) was "old and over the hill", and then Phelps saying he would win 8 gold like it was nothing for Dan Spitz to have won 7 years back. Geez, have some respect. -- Andrew Duke scoring/sound design/source http://cognitionaudioworks.com
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Have I not been paying attention or has no-one mentioned Alien yet!?
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on 8/16/04 5:21 PM, marina pure sonik at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > 24 Hour Party People okay. if youre gonna pull the "24 Hour..." card I gotta trump you with the movie "Party Monster". Set during the heyday of the old LImelight in NYC and stars Seth Green and Macaully Chaulkin as the ultimate clubkids. the music is great (for us geezers, that is) and the plot and acting is pretty funny. it's based on a true story. also: the best part is "Phez" from That 70's Show plays Superstar DJ Keioki!! "If all else fails, just play techno. everyone will think youre cutting edge." just one of the hilarious quotes from the movie :^)
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At 05:49 PM 8/16/2004, George Jones IV - Logic7 wrote:
The Professional ("Leon" outside of the states)
Akira
The Terminator
Personally I can't imagine wanting to hear these films rescored, ESPECIALLY
Akira which has an absolutely stupendous soundtrack album.
--
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Funny thing about this topic... When I think of techno films, I think of
films that I would love to hear rescored by a techno artist. They would be:
The Crow
The Killer
Hardware
The Professional ("Leon" outside of the states)
Akira
Riding Bean
The Matrix
A Better Tomorrow
Hard Boiled (yes, I love the old John Woo/Chow Yun Fat flicks)
Black Moon Rising
The Terminator
And a few other anime titles that I can't seem to remember the names of.
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Oh! the original Rollerball, with James Caan. Great vision on what/ how corporations will run our lives in the future. You mean now, right? :-) jeff (hi Louis)
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my picks so far: Swordfish Underworld Hulk Blade (as well) Irreversible Equilibrium League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen HellBoy 24 Hour Party People
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Techno *can* be past rather than future--one of my favorites is the 1974 Gene Hackman film, 'The Conversation.' Of course, films like 'Blade Runner' and 'Minority Report' are always favorites, as well. Oh yeah... and I cannot forget about the 1992 monster-casted 'Sneakers.' River Pheonix and Dan Aykroyd were hilarious! Matthew -Quoted Message Begins- I have been thinking about 'techno' films - ie films that the techno community have adopted as part of their subculture - as lately I've been catching up on DVDs when I am too tired to do anything else constructive. ;) I guess hip-hop types have Star Wars but techno people I find are into Metropolis, Bladerunner and The Matrix - classic sci fi. Personally I didn't quite get into The Matrix. It's very strong visually - and very clever - but I found it very cold and devoid of any humanity and the third instalment was infuriating with its inconsistencies and poor script. However, it is fun observing spots in the first as though they took out obvious Sydney features, it's clearly Sydney and I know that Dymocks store spot well. ;) I much preferred Dark City, also shot in Sydney, with the underrated Rufus Sewell - who was so amazing as Stuart era super mack Charles II recently. Funny it came out before The Matrix... Some others might be (or these are some of my faves): Gattica (slept-on, what more can I say) Artificial Intelligence (very simple yet profound, loved the multiple endings) Minority Report (interesting, I almost warmed to Tom Cruise in this role) Anyway I am wondering if any of you esteemed people would like to suggest your favourite techno film/s. -Quoted Message Ends- Oakland University Classroom Support and Instructional Technical Services Office of Presentation Development 200C Elliott Hall Rochester, MI 48309-4401 (248) 370-4973 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Enemy of the State The Spook Who Sat By The Door Mantis (the tv pilot) Blade The Matrix series (would've been hands down the best techno film of all time if Will Smith would've taken the role of Neo like he was offered) Anti-techno films Terminator 2
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Well there is this pretty cool record on !K7 that I heard in a twonz mix: http://www.discogs.com/release/72393 I seem to remember it being kind of jacking with a cool synth line and the sample: "I want more life... [EMAIL PROTECTED]" Don't know which of the tracks that is though. ~David -- Original Message - Subject: (313) Bladerunner was Re: (313) Techno Films Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 07:44:42 -0300 From: Andrew Duke Cognition Audioworks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Ken Odeluga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ken Odeluga wrote: >Actually, I wonder what dialogue or sound effect from Blade runner have been >sampled? Although it's my favourite 'techno' film (poss my favourite film >ever too in fact) I don't seem to recall any bits of it on records. Just a >thought ... > > > >>-Original Message- >>From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 12:30 PM >>To: Anya K Stang; 313@hyperreal.org >>Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films >> >> >>Blade Runner is so techno - such a rich source of samples - is >>there any dialogue or sound effect that hasn't been used on a >>techno record? >> >>-Original Message- >>From: Anya K Stang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:23 AM >>To: 313@hyperreal.org >>Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films >> >> >>Blade Runner will always be "my" ultimate Techno film. >>Metropolis comes a pretty close second, then Solaris and 2001. >> >> >> Blade Runner is definitely my favorite film, of any category. So many levels to it, and it was what got me into Philip K Dick's writings as well as the art of sound design and scoring for visual media such as films. The film has extra resonace because it was also the favorite film of my best friend of 29 years, Jason Trenholm, who died on January 1st of this year; I can still vividly remember the first time we watched it together. I must see this film about 5 or 6 times a year and enjoy it thoroughly each and every time. Luckily, it is on cable TV about once a month so it is easy to see often. re: samples: googling comes up with a site that says that is has been sampled by 85 groups in114 songs using 219 different samples. Take care. Andrew -- Andrew Duke scoring/sound design/source http://cognitionaudioworks.com
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can i add short circuit back to the future ?
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Well, that was actually the James Lipton of Paxahau's choice. But since Paxahau did print up limited edition T-shirts and got the entire bar staff @ Motor to wear them for that night then I guess "Freddie Got Fingered" or at least that night @ Motor qualifies for a techno movie. For those who don't know about this you'll have to check the photo archives @ http://www.paxahau.com I forget how long ago that was. Actually, let me go in my closet and look @ the T-shirt. There is a date on that. OK, it was in February 2002. telepathic regards, fRED (who actually got badly fingered by Richie Hawtin @ his birthday party in Brooklyn a couple of years ago. Special gratitude to Clark Warner for keeping me company in the Emergency Room that night.) on 8/16/04 1:36 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Freddie Got Fingered is the most techno movie of all time. > > Right Fred? > > "Listen to my Hves!" > > > > On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Cyclone Wehner wrote: > >> I have been thinking about 'techno' films - ie films that the techno >> community have adopted as part of their subculture - as lately I've been >> catching up on DVDs when I am too tired to do anything else constructive. ;) >> >> I guess hip-hop types have Star Wars but techno people I find are into >> Metropolis, Bladerunner and The Matrix - classic sci fi. >> >> Personally I didn't quite get into The Matrix. It's very strong visually - >> and very clever - but I found it very cold and devoid of any humanity and >> the third instalment was infuriating with its inconsistencies and poor >> script. However, it is fun observing spots in the first as though they took >> out obvious Sydney features, it's clearly Sydney and I know that Dymocks >> store spot well. ;) >> >> I much preferred Dark City, also shot in Sydney, with the underrated Rufus >> Sewell - who was so amazing as Stuart era super mack Charles II recently. >> Funny it came out before The Matrix... >> >> Some others might be (or these are some of my faves): >> Gattica (slept-on, what more can I say) >> Artificial Intelligence (very simple yet profound, loved the multiple >> endings) >> Minority Report (interesting, I almost warmed to Tom Cruise in this role) >> >> Anyway I am wondering if any of you esteemed people would like to suggest >> your favourite techno film/s. >>
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I think that was a commissioned soundtrack. great, great music and movie IMO, but maybe its like whitecastle in that you have to experience it as a kid to enjoy it as an adult? :) -Joe > > From: "Robert Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2004/08/16 Mon PM 02:38:46 EDT > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > CC: "313 Detroit" <313@hyperreal.org> > Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films > > Has no-one mentioned Flash Gordon? > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 5:37 PM > To: Cyclone Wehner > Cc: 313 Detroit > Subject: Re: (313) Techno Films > > > Freddie Got Fingered is the most techno movie of all time. > > Right Fred? > > "Listen to my Hves!" > > > > On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Cyclone Wehner wrote: > > > I have been thinking about 'techno' films - ie films that the techno > > community have adopted as part of their subculture - as lately I've been > > catching up on DVDs when I am too tired to do anything else constructive. ;) > > > > I guess hip-hop types have Star Wars but techno people I find are into > > Metropolis, Bladerunner and The Matrix - classic sci fi. > > > > Personally I didn't quite get into The Matrix. It's very strong visually - > > and very clever - but I found it very cold and devoid of any humanity and > > the third instalment was infuriating with its inconsistencies and poor > > script. However, it is fun observing spots in the first as though they took > > out obvious Sydney features, it's clearly Sydney and I know that Dymocks > > store spot well. ;) > > > > I much preferred Dark City, also shot in Sydney, with the underrated Rufus > > Sewell - who was so amazing as Stuart era super mack Charles II recently. > > Funny it came out before The Matrix... > > > > Some others might be (or these are some of my faves): > > Gattica (slept-on, what more can I say) > > Artificial Intelligence (very simple yet profound, loved the multiple > > endings) > > Minority Report (interesting, I almost warmed to Tom Cruise in this role) > > > > Anyway I am wondering if any of you esteemed people would like to suggest > > your favourite techno film/s. > > > # > Note: > > Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily > represent > those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This > email > and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of > the > individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this > email in > error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Thank You. > # > >
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The most techno film ever is Thunderbirds Are Go ;) MEK
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me and my milenium falcon toy do not feel "exploited" On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Robert Taylor wrote: > It also kickstarted the exploitation of kids through merchandising. > Hollywood went seriously down hill after Star Wars' success (the triumph of > style over substance), not that that is Lucas' fault. It now only seems > concerned on capitalising on past successes instead of coming up with new > ideas. > In my not so humble opinion of course ;) > > > > -Original Message- > From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:59 AM > To: Stewart Caig; 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: (313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films) > > > My take on Star Wars is that it's 1930s sci-fi visually > rendered with an immense 21st-century budget. Immature, > swashbuckling, aimed-at-kids romp - yep, that's all true. > But that's pretty much the form. > > It's undeniable that it influenced practically a whole > generation, and caused loads of kids to develop a > fascination with outer space, aliens, snazzy futuristic > technology and kick-ass sound design which IMHO helped > to provide a cultural environment in which techno music, > when it came along a decade later, was able to capture > the imaginations of so many people who, as children, had > been awe-struck by Star Wars and never got over that > sense of fascination with the future and with imaginary > worlds. > > Brendan > > > -----Original Message- > > From: Stewart Caig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 16 August 2004 10:18 > > To: 313@hyperreal.org > > Subject: Re: (313) Techno Films > > > > > > >As for Star Wars, I agree with Sean - IMO it's the most > > overrated film of > > all time - I loved it when I was a kid, but when I saw the > > new editions as > > an adult I realised how shoddy they were - it was comparable > > to watching the > > A-Team again after 20 years and realising that it was aimed > > at people with > > tiny little brains (ie children) > > > > Thats a little condenscending to the many people on this list > > who do still > > hold Star Wars in high regard... > > # > Note: > > Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily > represent > those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This > email > and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of > the > individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this > email in > error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Thank You. > # > >
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is that dialog from Blade Runnerr that Stacey Pullen used to open his DJ Kicks CD? I've always assumed that it was, although now that I'm tyoing it outloud I'm doubting myselff. Can someone confirm? On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Ken Odeluga wrote: > Actually, I wonder what dialogue or sound effect from Blade runner have been > sampled? Although it's my favourite 'techno' film (poss my favourite film > ever too in fact) I don't seem to recall any bits of it on records. Just a > thought ... > > >-Original Message- > >From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 12:30 PM > >To: Anya K Stang; 313@hyperreal.org > >Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films > > > > > >Blade Runner is so techno - such a rich source of samples - is > >there any dialogue or sound effect that hasn't been used on a > >techno record? > > > >-Original Message- > >From: Anya K Stang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:23 AM > >To: 313@hyperreal.org > >Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films > > > > > >Blade Runner will always be "my" ultimate Techno film. > >Metropolis comes a pretty close second, then Solaris and 2001. > > > >I also relate to Sean on the Seven, KillBill and Snatch tip. > > > > > >Nothing out of the ordinary here. h. *shrugs* : ) > > > >Anya > > > >-- > >NEU: WLAN-Router für 0,- EUR* - auch für DSL-Wechsler! > >GMX DSL = supergünstig & kabellos http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl > > > >### > >## > >Note: > > > >Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not > >necessarily represent > >those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically > >stated. This email > >and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for > >the use of the > >individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have > >received this email in > >error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Thank You. > >### > >## > > > > > > > >
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>i think brazil and 12 monkeys are both pretty techno. i'm a huuuge gilliam fan...but 12 monkeys to me is a lot more "earthy" than brazil, doesnt quite have a techno mood/atmosphere..to me..i dunno.. >both of the first 2 mad max movies were great. the third was still tolerable, but nowhere near as good. the thunderdome/bartertown part was cool. the kids living the paradise valley sort of place was sappy. >what sucks about GITS? i thought the animation was good, and it has possibly one of the best purely sci-fi plots outside of bladerunner. the animation is great. the story is crap, watch it again. i always considered it one of my faves until i watched it again more recently and realized it is utterly terrible. the dialogue is terrible, the plot is nonsense, the fight scenes (which are most of the movie) are ridiculous. >ick. saw the US remake first (, naomi watts :) and hated it. figured i must have missed something in the translation so i rented the japanese version. i thought it was equally terrible and fell asleep. ill check out his other joints though you did miss something, the u.s. version is not so good compared to the original...i think it's really quite good, aside from a few cheesey parts. i like dark water better tho. very simple and very good.
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Has no-one mentioned Flash Gordon? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 5:37 PM To: Cyclone Wehner Cc: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) Techno Films Freddie Got Fingered is the most techno movie of all time. Right Fred? "Listen to my Hves!" On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Cyclone Wehner wrote: > I have been thinking about 'techno' films - ie films that the techno > community have adopted as part of their subculture - as lately I've been > catching up on DVDs when I am too tired to do anything else constructive. ;) > > I guess hip-hop types have Star Wars but techno people I find are into > Metropolis, Bladerunner and The Matrix - classic sci fi. > > Personally I didn't quite get into The Matrix. It's very strong visually - > and very clever - but I found it very cold and devoid of any humanity and > the third instalment was infuriating with its inconsistencies and poor > script. However, it is fun observing spots in the first as though they took > out obvious Sydney features, it's clearly Sydney and I know that Dymocks > store spot well. ;) > > I much preferred Dark City, also shot in Sydney, with the underrated Rufus > Sewell - who was so amazing as Stuart era super mack Charles II recently. > Funny it came out before The Matrix... > > Some others might be (or these are some of my faves): > Gattica (slept-on, what more can I say) > Artificial Intelligence (very simple yet profound, loved the multiple > endings) > Minority Report (interesting, I almost warmed to Tom Cruise in this role) > > Anyway I am wondering if any of you esteemed people would like to suggest > your favourite techno film/s. > # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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uh...logan's run On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Simon Hindle wrote: > Yeah, word to those who namechecked Robocop - it's set in Detroit, for > heaven's sake! > > Tron and THX1138 definitely qualify, as does Rollerball. > > I'd also say Assault on Precinct 13 (if only for the soundtrack) and > Midnight Express (ditto!). And A Clockwork Orange. > > Anime fillums are pretty techno I think - Ghost in the shell, Akira, > (off topic can anyone recommend privately some good recent anime > films)? > > And the first matrix was supercool but the sequels sucked hard. > > >>> "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 16/08/2004 2:54:22 am > >>> > I have been thinking about 'techno' films - ie films that the techno > community have adopted as part of their subculture - as lately I've > been > catching up on DVDs when I am too tired to do anything else > constructive. ;) > > I guess hip-hop types have Star Wars but techno people I find are into > Metropolis, Bladerunner and The Matrix - classic sci fi. > > Personally I didn't quite get into The Matrix. It's very strong > visually - > and very clever - but I found it very cold and devoid of any humanity > and > the third instalment was infuriating with its inconsistencies and poor > script. However, it is fun observing spots in the first as though they > took > out obvious Sydney features, it's clearly Sydney and I know that > Dymocks > store spot well. ;) > > I much preferred Dark City, also shot in Sydney, with the underrated > Rufus > Sewell - who was so amazing as Stuart era super mack Charles II > recently. > Funny it came out before The Matrix... > > Some others might be (or these are some of my faves): > Gattica (slept-on, what more can I say) > Artificial Intelligence (very simple yet profound, loved the multiple > endings) > Minority Report (interesting, I almost warmed to Tom Cruise in this > role) > > Anyway I am wondering if any of you esteemed people would like to > suggest > your favourite techno film/s. >
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Freddie Got Fingered is the most techno movie of all time. Right Fred? "Listen to my Hves!" On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Cyclone Wehner wrote: > I have been thinking about 'techno' films - ie films that the techno > community have adopted as part of their subculture - as lately I've been > catching up on DVDs when I am too tired to do anything else constructive. ;) > > I guess hip-hop types have Star Wars but techno people I find are into > Metropolis, Bladerunner and The Matrix - classic sci fi. > > Personally I didn't quite get into The Matrix. It's very strong visually - > and very clever - but I found it very cold and devoid of any humanity and > the third instalment was infuriating with its inconsistencies and poor > script. However, it is fun observing spots in the first as though they took > out obvious Sydney features, it's clearly Sydney and I know that Dymocks > store spot well. ;) > > I much preferred Dark City, also shot in Sydney, with the underrated Rufus > Sewell - who was so amazing as Stuart era super mack Charles II recently. > Funny it came out before The Matrix... > > Some others might be (or these are some of my faves): > Gattica (slept-on, what more can I say) > Artificial Intelligence (very simple yet profound, loved the multiple > endings) > Minority Report (interesting, I almost warmed to Tom Cruise in this role) > > Anyway I am wondering if any of you esteemed people would like to suggest > your favourite techno film/s. >
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> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 16 August 2004 18:25 > > >The general point I'd make is this: when someone in 2004 thinks to > >themselves, say, "what movies came out in 1971?", I would be pretty > >confident that they'll forget a whole heap of awful cash-ins, turkeys, > flops > >and bombs that came out this year. > > Hopefully they wouldn't mention Star Wars because it came out in '77 Obviously! But here we're talking about Star Wars having been a watershed - this little sub-thread has come out of Rob's original comment that Star Wars marked a turning point for Hollywood. That things were good before Star Wars and bad afterwards. That's why I used 1971 as the year in my example above... Brendan
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-- Original Message -- From: Anya K Stang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Another one I thought of on the way home is >La cite des enfants perdu (The city of the lost children). great flick, always on my top 10 sci fi films of all time list. no one mentioned the terminator yet? predator was a pretty jungle/dnb movie. recently, eternal sunshine of the spotless mind gave me that feeling that really lush detroit techno gives me. same with lost in translation. tom andythepooh.com
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>The general point I'd make is this: when someone in 2004 thinks to >themselves, say, "what movies came out in 1971?", I would be pretty >confident that they'll forget a whole heap of awful cash-ins, turkeys, flops >and bombs that came out this year. Hopefully they wouldn't mention Star Wars because it came out in '77 MEK
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Another one I thought of on the way home is La cite des enfants perdu (The city of the lost children). And just for the record, I meant Tarkovsky's Solaris earlier. Don't even know the rehash. Das Boot got mentioned earlier as well. Anyone who hasn't seen it, do get the series and not the movie. Loads better, as Sakke (I think) said. And watch it in German if you can. So much gets lost in the dubbed version. Anya
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-- Original Message -- From: "J.T." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >i know it's blasphemous but i actually prefer the newer solaris. it has a nice soundtrack too. i havent seen the whole old one, fell asleep trying to watch it once. the new one was quite good though. there were some parts from the book i would have liked to have seen (like when he went out into the water/stuff to go to some little island type place) but i think it had the best parts of the book's plot down pat. and the soundtrack is quite nice, i wish it existed on vinyl. >i agree with brazil. 12 monekys and fisher king dont seem so techno to me tho i think brazil and 12 monkeys are both pretty techno. >the first mad max? no way, no it doesnt! both great movies, both technooo. road warrior is techno too. both of the first 2 mad max movies were great. the third was still tolerable, but nowhere near as good. >ghost in the shell (even tho it sucks) what sucks about GITS? i thought the animation was good, and it has possibly one of the best purely sci-fi plots outside of bladerunner. >ringu (just such great mood in this guy's movies, somewhat cold and detached but very rich feeling, i dunno..) ick. saw the US remake first (, naomi watts :) and hated it. figured i must have missed something in the translation so i rented the japanese version. i thought it was equally terrible and fell asleep. ill check out his other joints though >the thing (john carpenter) very techno >american psycho? it's so angular and minimal.. yeah thats a great movie. dont know how techno id consider it... >crouching tiger? no? great movie, looking fwd to that "Hero" flick with jet li thats along that fantasy/kung fu line. i think howard the duck was pretty techno. tom andythepooh.com
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Just to clarify (cos of bad edit) - TD did the soundtrack to Firestarter -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 6:10 PM To: 'J.T.'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Tangerine Dream. Good call on Dark Star - also an excellent opportunity to ge back on topic cos Drexiya sample it on the Bubble Metropolis EP (IIRC) There's also a good chunk of it on Blech! - -Original Message- From: J.T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 5:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films >Firestarter - the script and acting was pretty bad but the plot is great # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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> -Original Message-
> From: Greg Earle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 16 August 2004 17:29
>
> > much the same now as it was in, say, the late 1960s. To
> > think otherwise ("films were much better in the past") is,
> > I'd suggest, another way in which nostalgia can override
> > one's critical faculties.
>
> Whoa, cowboy. Is it nostalgia, or simply fact?
It is way OT, I agree, and not really my own specialist subject either, so
this'll be my last comment as well!
The general point I'd make is this: when someone in 2004 thinks to
themselves, say, "what movies came out in 1971?", I would be pretty
confident that they'll forget a whole heap of awful cash-ins, turkeys, flops
and bombs that came out this year. Selective memory will make the most
critically lauded films leap to the fore, and this sort of thing can
generally lead to a perception of the past being better than the present.
To be honest, this is a principle I find myself applying to music
nostalgists more than to movie buffs, and I feel that I'm on safer ground
when talking music. It's a common misconception, for example, that the 1960s
wasn't all Hendrix and Coltrane, and that an awful lot of crap came out
then; my general point to Rob was that the same thing applies to movies.
No-one spends too much time thinking about the rubbish, and so they only
tend to remember what was good.
> Plz 2 tell me your "particularly insightful"
> and "thought-provoking" Hollywood movies of the present day,
> Brendan.
I don't quite know about present day - will "fairly recent" do? I thought
that The Truman Show was a fairly timeless film, in that it didn't really
smack of contemporary Hollywood output. I also like Groundhog Day and the
games it plays with time and causality. These are pretty crappy examples, I
admit. But I'm sure I could dig about on IMDB and find loads of *really*
crappy movies from the 1970s, 1960s or even earlier.
As I said, though, I'm no expert on film in general, and am not denying in
any way that Hollywood is largely bankrupt in a creative sense. However, I'm
not totally convinced by the argument that every film made in the 1970s was
a masterpiece - surely it's obvious that bad films are as old as the movie
industry itself?
> Ob313: It's kinda like Techno to me - 10 years ago, the expanse of
> the sonic palette to fill in with new Techno was utterly vast.
> I was so happy to be around back then and hearing all this
> amazing music which truly sounded like "The Music Of The Future".
> Nowadays I hardly hear anything that sounds "new" to me anymore -
> so much music has come out in those 10 years that the sonic space
> has been filled up. Is it nostalgia on my part, or just the simple
> fact that, as time goes on, motifs get used up, styles get
> invented, used and over-saturated, and pretty soon there's
> hardly anywhere new to go (then the "revivals" happen ... lol).
My own musical taste in the early 1990s was pretty much defined by the
amount of "new" motifs, styles and sounds I heard in any particular track.
Once my taste in electronic music was locked down, so to speak, I'd
gravitate towards tracks that were most effective at integrating the motifs
I was most drawn to (cf. Detroit techno). As I get older, I'm aware that
this is more and more the case, and as you say, I don't find myself hearing
anything that sounds "new".
But the question is, is it a sense of nostalgia for the old stuff that's
somehow leading people like you or me away from the "new" stuff? That it is
getting made, but we're all too esconced in our own musical comfort zones to
encounter any of it? Or that, when we do hear it, age (and a nostalgic sense
of what "new"-sounding music should be like; namely that it should be made
with 909s and Juno synths!) somehow prevents us from perceiving the
"newness" in a piece of music?
Brendan
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Tangerine Dream. Good call on Dark Star - also an excellent opportunity to ge back on topic cos Drexiya sample it on the Bubble Metropolis EP (IIRC) There's also a good chunk of it on Blech! - -Original Message- From: J.T. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 5:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films >Firestarter - the script and acting was pretty bad but the plot is great # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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>the original Solaris by Andrei Tarkovsky - along with most of his other films especially Stalker. they're both s slow tho especially stalker...i love boris and arkady strugatsky's writing, and i don't think these movies even compare, tho they're good, nice for a sleepy afternoon...i know it's blasphemous but i actually prefer the newer solaris. it has a nice soundtrack too. >Das Boot - submarines anyone? yes. submarine movies. techno. even the one about the hunley (tiny hand-cranked sub used by confederates in the civil war)=techno. also shark movies. jaws, deep blue sea. technOOO >Brazil, La Jetée/12 Monkeys, the Fisher King i agree with brazil. 12 monekys and fisher king dont seem so techno to me tho >Escape from New York (kicks Mad Max's butt any time) the first mad max? no way, no it doesnt! both great movies, both technooo. road warrior is techno too. >The Adventures of Buckaroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension! (can't wait for the sequel... ;-) yeah, i guess, more like aphex twin taking the piss or something >Firestarter - the script and acting was pretty bad but the plot is great good soundtrack too. faltermeyer? i forget. seriously great plot. and i totally agree about jodorowsky and starship troopers. and 2001 and dark city and bladerunner and starwars and gattaca and akira and ghost in the shell (even tho it sucks)...and thx1138...and cronenberg..the matrix is goa trance. minority report is stupid. impostor was decent. i thought screamers was good -- the pk dick short story it's based on is amazing tho -- they totally got the ending backwards in the movie. dune yeah. yeah yeah. and vibrations sounds awesome. a no-handed rave maestro?! my adds: darkstar dark water (by the ringu guy) ringu (just such great mood in this guy's movies, somewhat cold and detached but very rich feeling, i dunno..) the thing (john carpenter) memories (4 stories by the akira guy) roujin z (akira guy again, about these robot hospital beds designed to take care of the elderly for us) american psycho? it's so angular and minimal.. crouching tiger? no? zatoichi then? last emperor? robocop 1 & 2. the totally unexplained 8 year old kids with uzi's in #2 rule. and the robot addicted to nuke. and ahh those huge glimmering skyscrapers of "detroit" haha strange days? mary shelley's frankenstein nosferatu dagon (it's the dathouven fishmen!) memento cus it's so repetetitititive pitch black? 28 days later? wargames? city of god? brazilian techno? get carter (with michael caine)? transformers the movie? howards end?
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>the original Solaris by Andrei Tarkovsky - along with most of his other films especially Stalker. they're both s slow tho especially stalker...i love boris and arkady strugatsky's writing, and i don't think these movies even compare, tho they're good, nice for a sleepy afternoon...i know it's blasphemous but i actually prefer the newer solaris. it has a nice soundtrack too. >Das Boot - submarines anyone? yes. submarine movies. techno. even the one about the hunley (tiny hand-cranked sub used by confederates in the civil war)=techno. also shark movies. jaws, deep blue sea. technOOO >Brazil, La Jetée/12 Monkeys, the Fisher King i agree with brazil. 12 monekys and fisher king dont seem so techno to me tho >Escape from New York (kicks Mad Max's butt any time) the first mad max? no way, no it doesnt! both great movies, both technooo. road warrior is techno too. >The Adventures of Buckaroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension! (can't wait for the sequel... ;-) yeah, i guess, more like aphex twin taking the piss or something >Firestarter - the script and acting was pretty bad but the plot is great good soundtrack too. faltermeyer? i forget. seriously great plot. and i totally agree about jodorowsky and starship troopers. and 2001 and dark city and bladerunner and starwars and gattaca and akira and ghost in the shell (even tho it sucks)...and thx1138...and cronenberg..the matrix is goa trance. minority report is stupid. impostor was decent. i thought screamers was good -- the pk dick short story it's based on is amazing tho -- they totally got the ending backwards in the movie. dune yeah. yeah yeah. and vibrations sounds awesome. a no-handed rave maestro?! my adds: darkstar dark water (by the ringu guy) ringu (just such great mood in this guy's movies, somewhat cold and detached but very rich feeling, i dunno..) the thing (john carpenter) memories (4 stories by the akira guy) roujin z (akira guy again, about these robot hospital beds designed to take care of the elderly for us) american psycho? it's so angular and minimal.. crouching tiger? no? zatoichi then? last emperor? robocop 1 & 2. the totally unexplained 8 year old kids with uzi's in #2 rule. and the robot addicted to nuke. and ahh those huge glimmering skyscrapers of "detroit" haha strange days? mary shelley's frankenstein nosferatu dagon (it's the dathouven fishmen!) memento cus it's so repetetitititive pitch black? 28 days later? wargames? city of god? brazilian techno? get carter (with michael caine)? transformers the movie? howards end?
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not sure if these were mentioned The Abyss - the original theatre release was really cool underwater, paranoia, claustrophobic, plus a bit Drexcyian. That is until the end of the film where it all went a bit wobbly and felt like ET in a bathtub. Anyone see the directors cut? Apparently it has some footage that was cut that makes the film more complete and better. The Thing - both the 1951 original and the John Carpenter remake MEK
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there exists a nice early-80s analog cover of the closing theme... http://www.discogs.com/release/145810 - bot - Original Message - From: Ken Odeluga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, August 16, 2004 5:35 am Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films > Actually, I wonder what dialogue or sound effect from Blade runner > have been > sampled? Although it's my favourite 'techno' film (poss my > favourite film > ever too in fact) I don't seem to recall any bits of it on > records. Just a > thought ... > > >-Original Message- > >From: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 12:30 PM > >To: Anya K Stang; 313@hyperreal.org > >Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films > > > > > >Blade Runner is so techno - such a rich source of samples - is > >there any dialogue or sound effect that hasn't been used on a > >techno record? > > > >-Original Message----- > >From: Anya K Stang [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:23 AM > >To: 313@hyperreal.org > >Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films > > > > > >Blade Runner will always be "my" ultimate Techno film. > >Metropolis comes a pretty close second, then Solaris and 2001. > > > >I also relate to Sean on the Seven, KillBill and Snatch tip. > > > > > >Nothing out of the ordinary here. h. *shrugs* : ) > > > >Anya > > > >-- > >NEU: WLAN-Router für 0,- EUR* - auch für DSL-Wechsler! > >GMX DSL = supergünstig & kabellos http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl > > > >### > >## > >Note: > > > >Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not > >necessarily represent > >those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically > >stated. This email > >and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for > >the use of the > >individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have > >received this email in > >error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >Thank You. > >### > >## > > > > > > > >
Re: (313) Bladerunner was Re: (313) Techno Films
I didn't see "I Dreamt Music" by DJ Icey which samples just that part of
the film's dialogue after Deckard wakes up from his dream about unicorns.
"Emile Facey
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was Re: (313) Techno Films
That's a pretty good list and includes pretty much every Blade Runner
sample
that I know except - Scape One - Not Human. Which uses 'my mother, I'll
tell
you about my mother' and I'm pretty sure Photek used a SFX on his stuff
too.
on 16/8/04 12:47 pm, Robert Taylor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Here's a list of samples used:
> http://www.sloth.org/samples-bin/samples/source?exact=Blade+Runner -
though
> not particularly exhaustive technowise - it seems lots of rock and hiphop
acts
> love it too.
> -Original Message-
> From: Andrew Duke Cognition Audioworks
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:45 AM
> To: Ken Odeluga
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> Subject: (313) Bladerunner was Re: (313) Techno Films
>
>
>
>
> Ken Odeluga wrote:
>
>> Actually, I wonder what dialogue or sound effect from Blade runner have
been
>> sampled? Although it's my favourite 'techno' film (poss my favourite
film
>> ever too in fact) I don't seem to recall any bits of it on records. Just
a
>> thought ...
>>
>>
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 12:30 PM
>>> To: Anya K Stang; 313@hyperreal.org
>>> Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films
>>>
>>>
>>> Blade Runner is so techno - such a rich source of samples - is
>>> there any dialogue or sound effect that hasn't been used on a
>>> techno record?
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Anya K Stang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:23 AM
>>> To: 313@hyperreal.org
>>> Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films
>>>
>>>
>>> Blade Runner will always be "my" ultimate Techno film.
>>> Metropolis comes a pretty close second, then Solaris and 2001.
>>>
>>>
>>>
> Blade Runner is definitely my favorite film, of any category. So many
> levels
> to it, and it was what got me into Philip K Dick's writings as well as
the
> art of sound design and scoring for visual media such as films. The
> film has
> extra resonace because it was also the favorite film of my best friend of
> 29 years, Jason Trenholm, who died on January 1st of this year; I can
> still vividly remember the first time we watched it together. I must
> see this film about 5 or 6 times a year and enjoy it thoroughly each and
> every time. Luckily, it is on cable TV about once a month so it is easy
> to see often. re: samples: googling comes up with a site that says
> that is has been sampled by 85 groups in114 songs using 219 different
> samples. Take care. Andrew
RE: (313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films)
Tut! Namedropping is bad form, as Christpher Walken was telling me the other day -Original Message- From: Greg Earle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 4:29 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films) Re: "Blade Runner". There's a lot of reasons to hate living in Los Angeles, but there's the occasional side benefit - I got to see the Premiere of the Director's Cut of "Blade Runner", and managed to get into the screening where Rutger Hauer attended and gave a talk afterwards. When the movie ended and Rutger came out, we gave him a 5-minute standing ovation. Now THAT ruled. :-) - Greg # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Mon, 16 Aug 2004 about following: Das Boot - submarines anyone? I just recently acquired the original full length tv-series dvd of this one, it's A LOT longer than the directors cut(3h36min for directors cut and 4h42min for the original tv-series (PAL timings)), but gives a lot more depth in to the story and clears out some awkward editing -related problems in scenes. sakke -- System error?:: Success props to mozilla.org
Re: (313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films)
[This is getting 'WAY OT. My last comment on the thread.]
On Aug 16, 2004, at 12:27 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd say that it's misleading to imagine Hollywood cinema
prior to Star Wars as having put substance over style;
it had been pretty schlocky since its inception, IMHO.
The proportion of films coming out of Hollywood which are
particularly insightful or thought-provoking seems pretty
much the same now as it was in, say, the late 1960s. To
think otherwise ("films were much better in the past") is,
I'd suggest, another way in which nostalgia can override
one's critical faculties.
Whoa, cowboy. Is it nostalgia, or simply fact?
I must be watching the wrong Hollywood flicks - what I see
these days (speaking as someone that's gone to movies for,
oh, 35 years or so, and whose movie-watching has gone up
dramatically the last 2 1/2 years due to NetFlix and, oh,
a very yummy movie-spooning partner ;) ) is a lot of
retreads (remaking old movies == creative bankruptcy, IMHO),
milking the cow dry (how many more comic book-derived movies
do we need?), and, in general - for me anyway - I don't see
much of anything that doesn't rehash old and already-done
plotlines. For the occasional original gem like "Magnolia"
there's a thousand identikit been-there, done-that movies
I've seen. Plz 2 tell me your "particularly insightful"
and "thought-provoking" Hollywood movies of the present day,
Brendan.
Ob313: It's kinda like Techno to me - 10 years ago, the expanse of
the sonic palette to fill in with new Techno was utterly vast.
I was so happy to be around back then and hearing all this
amazing music which truly sounded like "The Music Of The Future".
Nowadays I hardly hear anything that sounds "new" to me anymore -
so much music has come out in those 10 years that the sonic space
has been filled up. Is it nostalgia on my part, or just the simple
fact that, as time goes on, motifs get used up, styles get
invented, used and over-saturated, and pretty soon there's
hardly anywhere new to go (then the "revivals" happen ... lol).
Anyway ...
Re: Hating on "Star Wars". Context is everything. Maybe you'd
think differently about the movies (the original 3, anyway) if
you were 19 years old in 1977 when the first one came out ... it
hit the geek set like an atomic blast. No amount of revisionist
history will ever take away what it was like to see "A New Hope"
at Graumann's Chinese in 1977 for me.
Re: "Blade Runner". There's a lot of reasons to hate living in
Los Angeles, but there's the occasional side benefit - I got to
see the Premiere of the Director's Cut of "Blade Runner", and
managed to get into the screening where Rutger Hauer attended and
gave a talk afterwards. When the movie ended and Rutger came out,
we gave him a 5-minute standing ovation. Now THAT ruled. :-)
- Greg
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I'd agree that some films are obvious about their "technocity" (that is the
state of being techno?)
Bladerunner, 2001, Ghost in the Shell, Robocop, Tron, etc.
then there are the other films that have the texture and feel of a techno
film without being overtly techno - Kurosawa's work is a prime example
sometimes I prefer this type of film
other films that haven't been mentioned yet:
Brother from Another Planet
Contact - the Jodie Foster starring film. Thought it was very techno until
the end when it became some feel good/pull-at -the-heart-strings film.
However, I'm not sure how they would have done it otherwise.
the original Solaris by Andrei Tarkovsky - along with most of his other
films especially Stalker.
Das Boot - submarines anyone?
Brazil, La Jetée/12 Monkeys, the Fisher King
Delicatessen
Frankenstein
Alien and Aliens - every sequel after that can go into the garbage
Godzilla - the original b&w film
Escape from New York (kicks Mad Max's butt any time)
The Adventures of Buckaroo Bonzai Across the 8th Dimension! (can't wait for
the sequel... ;-)
Repo Man
Pi of course - the soundtrack alone did it
Close Encounters of the Third Kind
Brainstorm
Firestarter - the script and acting was pretty bad but the plot is great
Rivers and Tides - a documentary about artist Andy Goldsworthy who uses
nature to create some amazing artwork
"Robert Taylor"
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08/16/04 10:49 AM
Posted on behalf of Kamal Stoddard:
The most techno films to me, as sean said, were not particularly sci-fi
(maybe because most sci-fi films subconciously, through exclusion, suggest
that blacks don't belong in the future). But bladerunner was dope. As was
the spook who sat by the door, really techno imho. Eraserhead was already
mentioned, but I have to second it as it's one of my favorites of all time.
Sankofa ranks up there in my book, and is probably one of the most
underrated films out as well. The whole cadence and rhythm of the movie
screams techno to me, not to mention the drums (oh the drums). Hard to find
though. Fear and loathing in las vegas always feels really techno to me.
Last but not least (and I'm prolly gonna roast for this) Jisatsu Circle has
to be mentioned. The opening scene alone is ill enough for me. I may come
up with more later but because I can't post, I may not feel like bothering
anyone again to post for me.
Oh...and star wars OWNS! ("I'm afraid the deflector shields will be quite
operational when your friends arrive")
Anyone wanting some low quality samples from the star wars series check
this one http://www.dailywav.com/sq.html
scroll down and enjoy. check the whole site for random television and movie
samples pulled at some guys discretion. the simpsons ones are golden. take
it light y'all.
Kamal K. Stoddard
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>Actually, I wonder what dialogue or sound effect from Blade runner have been >sampled? Although it's my favourite 'techno' film (poss my favourite film >ever too in fact) I don't seem to recall any bits of it on records. Just a >thought ... Stacey Pullen opens his DJ Kicks CD with it (the Bladerunner soundtrack record) and also drops some other bits of it into the mix later on. MEK
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Santa really is the one to track down, it's a real master piece. I promise you won't be disappointed. Jodorsky now runs a small cult in France and is a master of all things Tarot - interesting but very twisted individual. Cheers Martin On 16 Aug 2004, at 16:18, Brendan Nelson wrote: -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 August 2004 16:19 Now I'm feeling a little better... For me I'd have to go for something by Alejandro Jodorsky, maybe Santa Sangre. Dark, twisted and outside norm, not a cliche in sight - a very clever film that works on many levels - very techno!
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VideoDrome (Come on that movie is totally techno!)
that was going to go on my list - the quote "Long Live the New Flesh" was
even lifted and used quite effectively by Jim Thirwell/Scraping Feotus off
the Wheel (my industrial hero)
MEK
"Stewart Caig"
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08/16/04 06:17 AM
Thouigh I mentioned them earlier I am surprised nobody has picked up on the
Cronenberg links with techno. Seeing as, for me at least, one of the key
ideaologies within techno is the fusion of the organic and the synthetic,
the warm soul of man and the cold soul of the machine. Much of Cronenberg's
works explore themes of similar fusions, contrasts and blurring the line
between the organic and synthetic . Check, for example, Naked Lunch,
VideoDrome (Come on that movie is totally techno!) and eXistenZ.
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I'm generally agreed with everyone on the Blade Runner,
Metropolis and 2001 mentions. Solaris, though, has always
struck me as being a bit of an "ambient" film, or more
accurately a "Basic Channel" film; when I watch it, I
can't help thinking how it would work with a dubbed
soundtrack by Vainqueur or Maurizio...
Here are another two which I've not noticed anyone mention
so far (although I may have just missed them) - Robocop
(it's set in Detroit!) and Brother From Another Planet
(Claude Young used the title as a pseudonym!). So both
fairly techno films, and with heavily on-topic aspects
to them as well.
Maybe Robocop is more of a "rave" film though?
Brendan
> -Original Message-
> From: Anya K Stang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 16 August 2004 11:23
> To: 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films
>
>
> Blade Runner will always be "my" ultimate Techno film.
> Metropolis comes a pretty close second, then Solaris and 2001.
>
> I also relate to Sean on the Seven, KillBill and Snatch tip.
>
>
> Nothing out of the ordinary here. h. *shrugs* : )
>
> Anya
>
> --
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Coincidentally, that film has been sitting on my desk here for ages - will watch it now Sounds pretty techno to me! Martin - I'm reminded of that Bjork quote - time to bring it up again? ;) -Original Message- From: Stewart Caig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 3:24 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Techno Films 23 > Now I'm feeling a little better... > > For me I'd have to go for something by Alejandro Jodorsky, maybe Santa > Sangre. Dark, twisted and outside norm, not a cliche in sight - a very > clever film that works on many levels - very techno! Hmm, only Jodorsky film I've seen is the Holy Mountain. The part where the 7 characters representing the planets are introduced is superb and I guess pretty techno, even though I actually feel lame saying that. Pretty soon we're going to be saying things like 'wow that is just sooo techno' # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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lovely words :) my personal choice for 'the' techno film would be Bladerunner. I can watch it so many times and it never gets old. I think the Bladerunner soundtrack is a *must have* - it's so beautiful, one of my all-time fav soundtracks. I also liked Dark City, and Dune always felt techno to me ... but I tend to be into the sci-fi fantasy stuff. anything that has elements of beauty & technology with a dark edge - that always says 'techno' to me. lisa - Original Message - From: Rikhard Dukes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, August 16, 2004 8:44 am Subject: Re: (313) Bladerunner was Re: (313) Techno Films > > >>> Blade Runner is so techno - such a rich source of samples > > Word on that. One of my favorite quotes is the last one by Gaff > (Olmos), "It's too bad she won't live! But then again, who does?". > > In peculiar way the 80's futuristic technology there works like an > alternative version of the future we know of. Btw. the Tyrell corp. > pyramid looks a bit like the one in Las Vegas, even though the > settings were based on L.A. Movie in itself is a jewel, and not least > because of the marvelous soundtrack. In relation to techno culture and > a state of mind; Blade Runner's elements in visuals, sounds and > dialogue are dictated largely by aesthetics rather than advancing the > plot. The story in itself is just a backdrop for creating the > mood. In > a same way electronic music and techno is primarily driven by > aesthetics of the sound. The sound dictates how idea's, visions and > thoughts behind are brought out in their final form. > > The replicants sought purity and perfection; they had no moral > dilemmas and they saw the life transparently. Techno as a phenomenom > through music and gatherings seeks the same kind of purity. Where life > and those short bypassing moments matter more than the moments before > or after. The four year lifespan of nothing but their prime time can > be extended to any other phenomenom. Techno culture, styles, moods, > events, genre's, movements... All have their short prime time, after > which they melt away or emerge into a new one's. > > Rikhard Dukes >
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> Now I'm feeling a little better... > > For me I'd have to go for something by Alejandro Jodorsky, maybe Santa > Sangre. Dark, twisted and outside norm, not a cliche in sight - a very > clever film that works on many levels - very techno! Hmm, only Jodorsky film I've seen is the Holy Mountain. The part where the 7 characters representing the planets are introduced is superb and I guess pretty techno, even though I actually feel lame saying that. Pretty soon we're going to be saying things like 'wow that is just sooo techno'
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> -Original Message- > From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 16 August 2004 16:19 > > Now I'm feeling a little better... > > For me I'd have to go for something by Alejandro Jodorsky, > maybe Santa Sangre. Dark, twisted and outside norm, not a > cliche in sight - a very clever film that works on many > levels - very techno! I saw a bit of Holy Mountain at the weekend, but was too out of it to properly take it in. Very intriguing though, I'll need to give it another try. Alejandro Jodorsky was originally going to film Dune, before it got handed over to David Lynch. It would have been really interesting to see what he'd have made of it! I also recently read an interview with Jodorsky in which he says that the only American film of the last few decades that he can be arsed with is the "amazing" Starship Troopers, which he describes as an "art film". I am definitely with him on that one - Starship Troopers is a criminally underrated masterpiece, IMO, and it's good to know I've got some back-up from an art-house heavyweight such as Jodorsky :) Brendan
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On Aug 16, 2004, at 2:54 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway I am wondering if any of you esteemed people would like to suggest your favourite techno film/s. "Real Genius". mlasers ... Oh, wait, you didn't mean "technology" ... ? ;-) - Greg
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Brian 'balistic' Prince wrote on Mon, 16 Aug 2004 about following: Quoting Robert Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: No black soldiers in Saving Private Ryan either, which is quite shocking It is accurate, as far as I know. American combat units had not yet been integrated. Black troops were mostly used in the motor pool and engineering divisions, as well as by the military police. According to Ambrose, Stephen E. in "Citizen Soldiers": "There were no black infantry units in ETO (european theatre of operations). There were nine negro field artillery battalions, a few anti-aircraft battalions, and a half a dozen tank and tank destroyer battalions. Some did well, some average, some were poor." Also "Patton had not been eager to accept black tankers, because he fancied that black men did not have quick enough reflexes to drive tanks in battle." He also writes in the book how nazi POW's in american camps were telling they were treated better in the camps than black people in US army. (It was common that black people were in guard-duty at POW-camps) Quite sad in my opinion. (Also remember that Ambrose was known to be rewriting the history in his books a little, so he's not 100% reliable source) I watched too much History Channel while I was unemployed . . . i wish i'd see that channel! sakke -- System error?:: Success props to mozilla.org
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Can't say I've heard of Sankofa and Jisatsu Circle - will have to check them
out.
-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 3:49 PM
To: Brian 'balistic' Prince
Cc: 313 Detroit
Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films
Posted on behalf of Kamal Stoddard:
The most techno films to me, as sean said, were not particularly sci-fi (maybe
because most sci-fi films subconciously, through exclusion, suggest that blacks
don't belong in the future). But bladerunner was dope. As was the spook who sat
by the door, really techno imho. Eraserhead was already mentioned, but I have
to second it as it's one of my favorites of all time. Sankofa ranks up there in
my book, and is probably one of the most underrated films out as well. The
whole cadence and rhythm of the movie screams techno to me, not to mention the
drums (oh the drums). Hard to find though. Fear and loathing in las vegas
always feels really techno to me. Last but not least (and I'm prolly gonna
roast for this) Jisatsu Circle has to be mentioned. The opening scene alone is
ill enough for me. I may come up with more later but because I can't post, I
may not feel like bothering anyone again to post for me.
Oh...and star wars OWNS! ("I'm afraid the deflector shields will be quite
operational when your friends arrive")
Anyone wanting some low quality samples from the star wars series check this
one http://www.dailywav.com/sq.html
scroll down and enjoy. check the whole site for random television and movie
samples pulled at some guys discretion. the simpsons ones are golden. take it
light y'all.
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Posted on behalf of Kamal Stoddard:
The most techno films to me, as sean said, were not particularly sci-fi (maybe
because most sci-fi films subconciously, through exclusion, suggest that blacks
don't belong in the future). But bladerunner was dope. As was the spook who sat
by the door, really techno imho. Eraserhead was already mentioned, but I have
to second it as it's one of my favorites of all time. Sankofa ranks up there in
my book, and is probably one of the most underrated films out as well. The
whole cadence and rhythm of the movie screams techno to me, not to mention the
drums (oh the drums). Hard to find though. Fear and loathing in las vegas
always feels really techno to me. Last but not least (and I'm prolly gonna
roast for this) Jisatsu Circle has to be mentioned. The opening scene alone is
ill enough for me. I may come up with more later but because I can't post, I
may not feel like bothering anyone again to post for me.
Oh...and star wars OWNS! ("I'm afraid the deflector shields will be quite
operational when your friends arrive")
Anyone wanting some low quality samples from the star wars series check this
one http://www.dailywav.com/sq.html
scroll down and enjoy. check the whole site for random television and movie
samples pulled at some guys discretion. the simpsons ones are golden. take it
light y'all.
Kamal K. Stoddard
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Ahem - http://8thwood.com/saving_private_ryan.htm -Original Message- From: Brian 'balistic' Prince [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 1:28 PM To: Robert Taylor Cc: 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Quoting Robert Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > No black soldiers in Saving Private Ryan either, which is quite shocking It is accurate, as far as I know. American combat units had not yet been integrated. Black troops were mostly used in the motor pool and engineering divisions, as well as by the military police. It wasn't until the Korean war that you had black soldiers in the same front-line units as whites. I watched too much History Channel while I was unemployed . . . - Brian "balistic" Prince http://www.bprince.com - art and techno # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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Quoting Robert Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > No black soldiers in Saving Private Ryan either, which is quite shocking It is accurate, as far as I know. American combat units had not yet been integrated. Black troops were mostly used in the motor pool and engineering divisions, as well as by the military police. It wasn't until the Korean war that you had black soldiers in the same front-line units as whites. I watched too much History Channel while I was unemployed . . . - Brian "balistic" Prince http://www.bprince.com - art and techno
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-- Original Message -- From: "Brendan Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Is it true that Rutger Hauer himself wrote that just before >the scene was shot? If so, that's a pretty bloody impressive >piece of screenwriting, especially coming from an actor. im not sure. it is like beautiful futuristic techno poetry. a little corny, but bah who cares. it sounds so ultra cool. tom andythepooh.com
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-- Original Message --
From: "Brendan Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>The proportion of films coming out of Hollywood which are
>particularly insightful or thought-provoking seems pretty
>much the same now as it was in, say, the late 1960s. To
>think otherwise ("films were much better in the past") is,
>I'd suggest, another way in which nostalgia can override
>one's critical faculties.
i wasnt alive then, but it seems to me that the early to mid 70s
was the best time for film. think about the ridiculous amount of
diverse good films coming out by kubrick, coppola, and scorcese
alone. before that it seems like people were too afraid to deal
with things in a frank and explicit manner, and after that things
got corny.
tom
andythepooh.com
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> >>> Blade Runner is so techno - such a rich source of samples Word on that. One of my favorite quotes is the last one by Gaff (Olmos), "It's too bad she won't live! But then again, who does?". In peculiar way the 80's futuristic technology there works like an alternative version of the future we know of. Btw. the Tyrell corp. pyramid looks a bit like the one in Las Vegas, even though the settings were based on L.A. Movie in itself is a jewel, and not least because of the marvelous soundtrack. In relation to techno culture and a state of mind; Blade Runner's elements in visuals, sounds and dialogue are dictated largely by aesthetics rather than advancing the plot. The story in itself is just a backdrop for creating the mood. In a same way electronic music and techno is primarily driven by aesthetics of the sound. The sound dictates how idea's, visions and thoughts behind are brought out in their final form. The replicants sought purity and perfection; they had no moral dilemmas and they saw the life transparently. Techno as a phenomenom through music and gatherings seeks the same kind of purity. Where life and those short bypassing moments matter more than the moments before or after. The four year lifespan of nothing but their prime time can be extended to any other phenomenom. Techno culture, styles, moods, events, genre's, movements... All have their short prime time, after which they melt away or emerge into a new one's. Rikhard Dukes
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No black soldiers in Saving Private Ryan either, which is quite shocking -Original Message- From: Ken Odeluga [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 12:34 PM To: 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films I'll tell you my least-favourite sort of techno film too: 'Logan's Run'! Do you know I hadn't realized that there were no African-Americans in it before I heard 'Black Hollywood' on 'Nighttime World' II?! Not saying it's compulsory to represent all colours and creeds but it does 'cause unease when this sort of thing happens ... k # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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> -Original Message- > From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 16 August 2004 13:47 > > it is one of my favorite movies ever. the best sample ive heard > using it is the "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. > Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams > glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments > will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die." part. Is it true that Rutger Hauer himself wrote that just before the scene was shot? If so, that's a pretty bloody impressive piece of screenwriting, especially coming from an actor. Brendan
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It never did swing my brick Ken...and after a weekend with a splitting headache my motor skills are properly bust so there's no wonder that last mail didn't make an sense ;) Mr. G...as in... Alec G - "These are not the droids you are looking for" is a classic line, right up there with anything Caine ever said...Not sure if that line is actually correct but I like to remember it that way ;) Martin On 16 Aug 2004, at 13:29, Ken Odeluga wrote: Come again Martin? Mr G? Are we talking use of samples here? I'm well behind on all this! k -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 1:17 PM To: 313 List; Robert Taylor Subject: Re: (313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films) I've never liked Star Wars and boy did I try - the only thing I really liked was the robot names and a few classic line for Mr. G Cheers Martin On 16 Aug 2004, at 13:54, Robert Taylor wrote: I think you might be onto something! -Original Message- From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 11:49 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films) I think Star Wars is a particular bugbear of yours partly because so many people - especially in the world of electronic music - like it so much ;)
Re: (313) Bladerunner was Re: (313) Techno Films
-- Original Message -- From: "Emile Facey (Plant43)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >That's a pretty good list and includes pretty much every Blade Runner sample >that I know except - Scape One - Not Human. Which uses 'my mother, I'll tell >you about my mother' and I'm pretty sure Photek used a SFX on his stuff too. its been absolutely hammered in drum and bass, i cant even calculate how many records ive owned in that genre with bladerunner samples. it is one of my favorite movies ever. the best sample ive heard using it is the "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die." part. tom andythepooh.com
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I'll tell you my least-favourite sort of techno film too: 'Logan's Run'! Do you know I hadn't realized that there were no African-Americans in it before I heard 'Black Hollywood' on 'Nighttime World' II?! Not saying it's compulsory to represent all colours and creeds but it does 'cause unease when this sort of thing happens ... k
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Come again Martin? Mr G? Are we talking use of samples here? I'm well behind on all this! k >-Original Message- >From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 1:17 PM >To: 313 List; Robert Taylor >Subject: Re: (313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films) > > >I've never like Star Wars and boy did I try - the only thing I really >liked was the robot names and a few classic line for Mr. G > > >Cheers >Martin > > >On 16 Aug 2004, at 13:54, Robert Taylor wrote: > >> >> I think you might be onto something! >> -Original Message- >> From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 11:49 AM >> To: 313@hyperreal.org >> Subject: RE: (313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films) >> >> >> I think Star Wars is a particular bugbear of yours partly >> because so many people - especially in the world of electronic >> music - like it so much ;) >> >> > > >
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I've never like Star Wars and boy did I try - the only thing I really liked was the robot names and a few classic line for Mr. G Cheers Martin On 16 Aug 2004, at 13:54, Robert Taylor wrote: I think you might be onto something! -Original Message- From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 11:49 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films) I think Star Wars is a particular bugbear of yours partly because so many people - especially in the world of electronic music - like it so much ;)
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> Anyway I am wondering if any of you esteemed people would like to suggest > your favourite techno film/s. [Quick break from work] Has anyone mentioned 'Forbidden Planet' yet? [Back to work now]
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I think you might be onto something! -Original Message- From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 11:49 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films) I think Star Wars is a particular bugbear of yours partly because so many people - especially in the world of electronic music - like it so much ;) # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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That's a pretty good list and includes pretty much every Blade Runner sample that I know except - Scape One - Not Human. Which uses 'my mother, I'll tell you about my mother' and I'm pretty sure Photek used a SFX on his stuff too. on 16/8/04 12:47 pm, Robert Taylor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Here's a list of samples used: > http://www.sloth.org/samples-bin/samples/source?exact=Blade+Runner - though > not particularly exhaustive technowise - it seems lots of rock and hiphop acts > love it too. > -Original Message- > From: Andrew Duke Cognition Audioworks > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:45 AM > To: Ken Odeluga > Cc: Anya K Stang; 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: (313) Bladerunner was Re: (313) Techno Films > > > > > Ken Odeluga wrote: > >> Actually, I wonder what dialogue or sound effect from Blade runner have been >> sampled? Although it's my favourite 'techno' film (poss my favourite film >> ever too in fact) I don't seem to recall any bits of it on records. Just a >> thought ... >> >> >> >>> -Original Message----- >>> From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 12:30 PM >>> To: Anya K Stang; 313@hyperreal.org >>> Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films >>> >>> >>> Blade Runner is so techno - such a rich source of samples - is >>> there any dialogue or sound effect that hasn't been used on a >>> techno record? >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Anya K Stang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:23 AM >>> To: 313@hyperreal.org >>> Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films >>> >>> >>> Blade Runner will always be "my" ultimate Techno film. >>> Metropolis comes a pretty close second, then Solaris and 2001. >>> >>> >>> > Blade Runner is definitely my favorite film, of any category. So many > levels > to it, and it was what got me into Philip K Dick's writings as well as the > art of sound design and scoring for visual media such as films. The > film has > extra resonace because it was also the favorite film of my best friend of > 29 years, Jason Trenholm, who died on January 1st of this year; I can > still vividly remember the first time we watched it together. I must > see this film about 5 or 6 times a year and enjoy it thoroughly each and > every time. Luckily, it is on cable TV about once a month so it is easy > to see often. re: samples: googling comes up with a site that says > that is has been sampled by 85 groups in114 songs using 219 different > samples. Take care. Andrew
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I think Star Wars is a particular bugbear of yours partly
because so many people - especially in the world of electronic
music - like it so much ;)
The 1970s probably was Hollywood's heyday, but I'd suggest
that that was more down to the social backdrop in the US at
the time. Vietnam, severe recession, post-1960s souring of
the hippie dream - these all inspired a lot of the 1970s
movies that I myself still hold in extremely high regard.
My favourite film from the 1970s (and possibly my favourite
film ever) is "Network"; they very rarely make films like
that anymore.
Brendan
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 16 August 2004 13:39
> To: Brendan Nelson; 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films)
>
>
> I guess you're right - Star Wars is a particular bugbear of
> mine, but it is more to do with what it represents to me than
> anything else. That and the fact that I think it's sh!te ;)
> I suppose I am nostalgic for what I see as Hollywood's heyday
> - the 70s - they definitely don't make films like The
> Godfather and Taxi Driver anymore IMO, so I've been hoist by
> my own pertard yet agian :)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 11:28 AM
> To: 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films)
>
>
> I'd say that the exploitation of kids through merchandising
> had been around for a long time before then. Star Wars did
> change that whole market, though, largely due to the fact
> that the film's design was so effective that there was
> *demand* among kids for replicas of the film's starships,
> characters, droids and so on. Things like Star Trek had
> never created that sort of demand, largely because the
> design was much more mediocre.
>
> The big question is, were kids made to want these replicas,
> or did they just *want* them? Speaking for myself, I
> just *wanted* to have a model of the Millennium Falcon.
> Previous generations of kids were just the same with
> model warplanes, tanks and cars: Star Wars just came
> up with things that were far better-looking than the
> standard military fare kids had wanted before.
>
> I'd say that it's misleading to imagine Hollywood cinema
> prior to Stars Wars as having put substance over style;
> it had been pretty schlocky since its inception, IMHO.
> The proportion of films coming out of Hollywood which are
> particularly insightful or thought-provoking seems pretty
> much the same now as it was in, say, the late 1960s. To
> think otherwise ("films were much better in the past") is,
> I'd suggest, another way in which nostalgia can override
> one's critical faculties.
>
> Brendan
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 16 August 2004 13:16
> > To: Brendan Nelson; Stewart Caig; 313@hyperreal.org
> > Subject: RE: (313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films)
> >
> >
> > It also kickstarted the exploitation of kids through merchandising.
> > Hollywood went seriously down hill after Star Wars' success
> > (the triumph of style over substance), not that that is
> > Lucas' fault. It now only seems concerned on capitalising on
> > past successes instead of coming up with new ideas.
> > In my not so humble opinion of course ;)
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:59 AM
> > To: Stewart Caig; 313@hyperreal.org
> > Subject: (313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films)
> >
> >
> > My take on Star Wars is that it's 1930s sci-fi visually
> > rendered with an immense 21st-century budget. Immature,
> > swashbuckling, aimed-at-kids romp - yep, that's all true.
> > But that's pretty much the form.
> >
> > It's undeniable that it influenced practically a whole
> > generation, and caused loads of kids to develop a
> > fascination with outer space, aliens, snazzy futuristic
> > technology and kick-ass sound design which IMHO helped
> > to provide a cultural environment in which techno music,
> > when it came along a decade later, was able to capture
> > the imaginations of so many people who, as children, had
> > been awe-struck by Star Wars and never got over that
> > sense of fascination with the future and with imaginary
> > worlds.
> >
> > Brendan
> >
> > >
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I guess you're right - Star Wars is a particular bugbear of mine, but it is
more to do with what it represents to me than anything else. That and the fact
that I think it's sh!te ;)
I suppose I am nostalgic for what I see as Hollywood's heyday - the 70s - they
definitely don't make films like The Godfather and Taxi Driver anymore IMO, so
I've been hoist by my own pertard yet agian :)
-Original Message-
From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 11:28 AM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films)
I'd say that the exploitation of kids through merchandising
had been around for a long time before then. Star Wars did
change that whole market, though, largely due to the fact
that the film's design was so effective that there was
*demand* among kids for replicas of the film's starships,
characters, droids and so on. Things like Star Trek had
never created that sort of demand, largely because the
design was much more mediocre.
The big question is, were kids made to want these replicas,
or did they just *want* them? Speaking for myself, I
just *wanted* to have a model of the Millennium Falcon.
Previous generations of kids were just the same with
model warplanes, tanks and cars: Star Wars just came
up with things that were far better-looking than the
standard military fare kids had wanted before.
I'd say that it's misleading to imagine Hollywood cinema
prior to Stars Wars as having put substance over style;
it had been pretty schlocky since its inception, IMHO.
The proportion of films coming out of Hollywood which are
particularly insightful or thought-provoking seems pretty
much the same now as it was in, say, the late 1960s. To
think otherwise ("films were much better in the past") is,
I'd suggest, another way in which nostalgia can override
one's critical faculties.
Brendan
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 16 August 2004 13:16
> To: Brendan Nelson; Stewart Caig; 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films)
>
>
> It also kickstarted the exploitation of kids through merchandising.
> Hollywood went seriously down hill after Star Wars' success
> (the triumph of style over substance), not that that is
> Lucas' fault. It now only seems concerned on capitalising on
> past successes instead of coming up with new ideas.
> In my not so humble opinion of course ;)
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:59 AM
> To: Stewart Caig; 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: (313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films)
>
>
> My take on Star Wars is that it's 1930s sci-fi visually
> rendered with an immense 21st-century budget. Immature,
> swashbuckling, aimed-at-kids romp - yep, that's all true.
> But that's pretty much the form.
>
> It's undeniable that it influenced practically a whole
> generation, and caused loads of kids to develop a
> fascination with outer space, aliens, snazzy futuristic
> technology and kick-ass sound design which IMHO helped
> to provide a cultural environment in which techno music,
> when it came along a decade later, was able to capture
> the imaginations of so many people who, as children, had
> been awe-struck by Star Wars and never got over that
> sense of fascination with the future and with imaginary
> worlds.
>
> Brendan
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Stewart Caig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 16 August 2004 10:18
> > To: 313@hyperreal.org
> > Subject: Re: (313) Techno Films
> >
> >
> > >As for Star Wars, I agree with Sean - IMO it's the most
> > overrated film of
> > all time - I loved it when I was a kid, but when I saw the
> > new editions as
> > an adult I realised how shoddy they were - it was comparable
> > to watching the
> > A-Team again after 20 years and realising that it was aimed
> > at people with
> > tiny little brains (ie children)
> >
> > Thats a little condenscending to the many people on this list
> > who do still
> > hold Star Wars in high regard...
>
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>I just *wanted* to have a model of the Millennium Falcon. Me too. My mate Dan had one of these when we were little. (Dan does those critical phase records with kirk.) I remember we threw it out of the window to see if it would fly. It didn't. and it went in a little pond. What a rip-off. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
RE: (313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films)
I'd say that the exploitation of kids through merchandising
had been around for a long time before then. Star Wars did
change that whole market, though, largely due to the fact
that the film's design was so effective that there was
*demand* among kids for replicas of the film's starships,
characters, droids and so on. Things like Star Trek had
never created that sort of demand, largely because the
design was much more mediocre.
The big question is, were kids made to want these replicas,
or did they just *want* them? Speaking for myself, I
just *wanted* to have a model of the Millennium Falcon.
Previous generations of kids were just the same with
model warplanes, tanks and cars: Star Wars just came
up with things that were far better-looking than the
standard military fare kids had wanted before.
I'd say that it's misleading to imagine Hollywood cinema
prior to Stars Wars as having put substance over style;
it had been pretty schlocky since its inception, IMHO.
The proportion of films coming out of Hollywood which are
particularly insightful or thought-provoking seems pretty
much the same now as it was in, say, the late 1960s. To
think otherwise ("films were much better in the past") is,
I'd suggest, another way in which nostalgia can override
one's critical faculties.
Brendan
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 16 August 2004 13:16
> To: Brendan Nelson; Stewart Caig; 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: (313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films)
>
>
> It also kickstarted the exploitation of kids through merchandising.
> Hollywood went seriously down hill after Star Wars' success
> (the triumph of style over substance), not that that is
> Lucas' fault. It now only seems concerned on capitalising on
> past successes instead of coming up with new ideas.
> In my not so humble opinion of course ;)
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:59 AM
> To: Stewart Caig; 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: (313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films)
>
>
> My take on Star Wars is that it's 1930s sci-fi visually
> rendered with an immense 21st-century budget. Immature,
> swashbuckling, aimed-at-kids romp - yep, that's all true.
> But that's pretty much the form.
>
> It's undeniable that it influenced practically a whole
> generation, and caused loads of kids to develop a
> fascination with outer space, aliens, snazzy futuristic
> technology and kick-ass sound design which IMHO helped
> to provide a cultural environment in which techno music,
> when it came along a decade later, was able to capture
> the imaginations of so many people who, as children, had
> been awe-struck by Star Wars and never got over that
> sense of fascination with the future and with imaginary
> worlds.
>
> Brendan
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Stewart Caig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 16 August 2004 10:18
> > To: 313@hyperreal.org
> > Subject: Re: (313) Techno Films
> >
> >
> > >As for Star Wars, I agree with Sean - IMO it's the most
> > overrated film of
> > all time - I loved it when I was a kid, but when I saw the
> > new editions as
> > an adult I realised how shoddy they were - it was comparable
> > to watching the
> > A-Team again after 20 years and realising that it was aimed
> > at people with
> > tiny little brains (ie children)
> >
> > Thats a little condenscending to the many people on this list
> > who do still
> > hold Star Wars in high regard...
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RE: (313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films)
It also kickstarted the exploitation of kids through merchandising. Hollywood went seriously down hill after Star Wars' success (the triumph of style over substance), not that that is Lucas' fault. It now only seems concerned on capitalising on past successes instead of coming up with new ideas. In my not so humble opinion of course ;) -Original Message- From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:59 AM To: Stewart Caig; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films) My take on Star Wars is that it's 1930s sci-fi visually rendered with an immense 21st-century budget. Immature, swashbuckling, aimed-at-kids romp - yep, that's all true. But that's pretty much the form. It's undeniable that it influenced practically a whole generation, and caused loads of kids to develop a fascination with outer space, aliens, snazzy futuristic technology and kick-ass sound design which IMHO helped to provide a cultural environment in which techno music, when it came along a decade later, was able to capture the imaginations of so many people who, as children, had been awe-struck by Star Wars and never got over that sense of fascination with the future and with imaginary worlds. Brendan > -Original Message- > From: Stewart Caig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 16 August 2004 10:18 > To: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: (313) Techno Films > > > >As for Star Wars, I agree with Sean - IMO it's the most > overrated film of > all time - I loved it when I was a kid, but when I saw the > new editions as > an adult I realised how shoddy they were - it was comparable > to watching the > A-Team again after 20 years and realising that it was aimed > at people with > tiny little brains (ie children) > > Thats a little condenscending to the many people on this list > who do still > hold Star Wars in high regard... # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
RE: (313) Techno Films
Scanners too - many a time that tunes like Seawolf has made me feel like my head is about to explode -Original Message- From: Stewart Caig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 11:18 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Techno Films Thouigh I mentioned them earlier I am surprised nobody has picked up on the Cronenberg links with techno. Seeing as, for me at least, one of the key ideaologies within techno is the fusion of the organic and the synthetic, the warm soul of man and the cold soul of the machine. Much of Cronenberg's works explore themes of similar fusions, contrasts and blurring the line between the organic and synthetic . Check, for example, Naked Lunch, VideoDrome (Come on that movie is totally techno!) and eXistenZ. - Original Message - From: "Brendan Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Anya K Stang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 12:04 PM Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films I'm generally agreed with everyone on the Blade Runner, Metropolis and 2001 mentions. Solaris, though, has always struck me as being a bit of an "ambient" film, or more accurately a "Basic Channel" film; when I watch it, I can't help thinking how it would work with a dubbed soundtrack by Vainqueur or Maurizio... Here are another two which I've not noticed anyone mention so far (although I may have just missed them) - Robocop (it's set in Detroit!) and Brother From Another Planet (Claude Young used the title as a pseudonym!). So both fairly techno films, and with heavily on-topic aspects to them as well. Maybe Robocop is more of a "rave" film though? Brendan > -Original Message- > From: Anya K Stang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 16 August 2004 11:23 > To: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films > > > Blade Runner will always be "my" ultimate Techno film. > Metropolis comes a pretty close second, then Solaris and 2001. > > I also relate to Sean on the Seven, KillBill and Snatch tip. > > > Nothing out of the ordinary here. h. *shrugs* : ) > > Anya > > -- > NEU: WLAN-Router für 0,- EUR* - auch für DSL-Wechsler! > GMX DSL = supergünstig & kabellos http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl > > # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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Thouigh I mentioned them earlier I am surprised nobody has picked up on the Cronenberg links with techno. Seeing as, for me at least, one of the key ideaologies within techno is the fusion of the organic and the synthetic, the warm soul of man and the cold soul of the machine. Much of Cronenberg's works explore themes of similar fusions, contrasts and blurring the line between the organic and synthetic . Check, for example, Naked Lunch, VideoDrome (Come on that movie is totally techno!) and eXistenZ. - Original Message - From: "Brendan Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Anya K Stang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 12:04 PM Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films I'm generally agreed with everyone on the Blade Runner, Metropolis and 2001 mentions. Solaris, though, has always struck me as being a bit of an "ambient" film, or more accurately a "Basic Channel" film; when I watch it, I can't help thinking how it would work with a dubbed soundtrack by Vainqueur or Maurizio... Here are another two which I've not noticed anyone mention so far (although I may have just missed them) - Robocop (it's set in Detroit!) and Brother From Another Planet (Claude Young used the title as a pseudonym!). So both fairly techno films, and with heavily on-topic aspects to them as well. Maybe Robocop is more of a "rave" film though? Brendan > -Original Message- > From: Anya K Stang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 16 August 2004 11:23 > To: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films > > > Blade Runner will always be "my" ultimate Techno film. > Metropolis comes a pretty close second, then Solaris and 2001. > > I also relate to Sean on the Seven, KillBill and Snatch tip. > > > Nothing out of the ordinary here. h. *shrugs* : ) > > Anya > > -- > NEU: WLAN-Router für 0,- EUR* - auch für DSL-Wechsler! > GMX DSL = supergünstig & kabellos http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl > >
RE: (313) Techno Films
I'm generally agreed with everyone on the Blade Runner, Metropolis and 2001 mentions. Solaris, though, has always struck me as being a bit of an "ambient" film, or more accurately a "Basic Channel" film; when I watch it, I can't help thinking how it would work with a dubbed soundtrack by Vainqueur or Maurizio... Here are another two which I've not noticed anyone mention so far (although I may have just missed them) - Robocop (it's set in Detroit!) and Brother From Another Planet (Claude Young used the title as a pseudonym!). So both fairly techno films, and with heavily on-topic aspects to them as well. Maybe Robocop is more of a "rave" film though? Brendan > -Original Message- > From: Anya K Stang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 16 August 2004 11:23 > To: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films > > > Blade Runner will always be "my" ultimate Techno film. > Metropolis comes a pretty close second, then Solaris and 2001. > > I also relate to Sean on the Seven, KillBill and Snatch tip. > > > Nothing out of the ordinary here. h. *shrugs* : ) > > Anya > > -- > NEU: WLAN-Router für 0,- EUR* - auch für DSL-Wechsler! > GMX DSL = supergünstig & kabellos http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl > >
(313) Star Wars (was RE: (313) Techno Films)
My take on Star Wars is that it's 1930s sci-fi visually rendered with an immense 21st-century budget. Immature, swashbuckling, aimed-at-kids romp - yep, that's all true. But that's pretty much the form. It's undeniable that it influenced practically a whole generation, and caused loads of kids to develop a fascination with outer space, aliens, snazzy futuristic technology and kick-ass sound design which IMHO helped to provide a cultural environment in which techno music, when it came along a decade later, was able to capture the imaginations of so many people who, as children, had been awe-struck by Star Wars and never got over that sense of fascination with the future and with imaginary worlds. Brendan > -Original Message- > From: Stewart Caig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 16 August 2004 10:18 > To: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: (313) Techno Films > > > >As for Star Wars, I agree with Sean - IMO it's the most > overrated film of > all time - I loved it when I was a kid, but when I saw the > new editions as > an adult I realised how shoddy they were - it was comparable > to watching the > A-Team again after 20 years and realising that it was aimed > at people with > tiny little brains (ie children) > > Thats a little condenscending to the many people on this list > who do still > hold Star Wars in high regard...
RE: (313) Techno Films
Also Syn's If Only You Could See and his Limelight and Sequential aliases - the man was obsessed with it -Original Message- From: Tom Churchill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:47 AM To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) Techno Films > It's used on a lot of early to mid 90s techno and trance records - IIRC Pete > Namlook is the chief culprit Yeah, 'Fires Of Ork' is one that springs to mind... Carl Craig also used big chunks of the soundtrack as interludes on his Radio One Essential Mix a few years back... # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
RE: (313) Bladerunner was Re: (313) Techno Films
Here's a list of samples used: http://www.sloth.org/samples-bin/samples/source?exact=Blade+Runner - though not particularly exhaustive technowise - it seems lots of rock and hiphop acts love it too. -Original Message- From: Andrew Duke Cognition Audioworks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:45 AM To: Ken Odeluga Cc: Anya K Stang; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Bladerunner was Re: (313) Techno Films Ken Odeluga wrote: >Actually, I wonder what dialogue or sound effect from Blade runner have been >sampled? Although it's my favourite 'techno' film (poss my favourite film >ever too in fact) I don't seem to recall any bits of it on records. Just a >thought ... > > > >>-Original Message- >>From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 12:30 PM >>To: Anya K Stang; 313@hyperreal.org >>Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films >> >> >>Blade Runner is so techno - such a rich source of samples - is >>there any dialogue or sound effect that hasn't been used on a >>techno record? >> >>-Original Message- >>From: Anya K Stang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:23 AM >>To: 313@hyperreal.org >>Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films >> >> >>Blade Runner will always be "my" ultimate Techno film. >>Metropolis comes a pretty close second, then Solaris and 2001. >> >> >> Blade Runner is definitely my favorite film, of any category. So many levels to it, and it was what got me into Philip K Dick's writings as well as the art of sound design and scoring for visual media such as films. The film has extra resonace because it was also the favorite film of my best friend of 29 years, Jason Trenholm, who died on January 1st of this year; I can still vividly remember the first time we watched it together. I must see this film about 5 or 6 times a year and enjoy it thoroughly each and every time. Luckily, it is on cable TV about once a month so it is easy to see often. re: samples: googling comes up with a site that says that is has been sampled by 85 groups in114 songs using 219 different samples. Take care. Andrew -- Andrew Duke scoring/sound design/source http://cognitionaudioworks.com # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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> It's used on a lot of early to mid 90s techno and trance records - IIRC Pete > Namlook is the chief culprit Yeah, 'Fires Of Ork' is one that springs to mind... Carl Craig also used big chunks of the soundtrack as interludes on his Radio One Essential Mix a few years back...
