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On 8/27/06, Joost P [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I didn't want to interfere in all this, but in Fred's defense, he never insulted Tom's kid. He only attacked Tom about his mental state (and I happen to agree with him) hey, im glad to take all this free psychiatric advice from you and fred. obviously you guys have it much more together than me. i hope thats working out for you more than it is for fred. tom
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On 8/27/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS. I like Pittsburgh. We did a cool Plus 8 party there once. Clark Warner, John Acquaviva, myself and Rich. I spent the day @ the Andy Warhol museum. Cute city. i didnt go because i dont like watered down techno. tom
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PS. I like Pittsburgh. We did a cool Plus 8 party there once. Clark Warner, John Acquaviva, myself and Rich. I spent the day @ the Andy Warhol museum. Cute city. that was an amazing party. it was in the Crane building in the strip district. excellent sound.
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Re: my approach to Tom. Take a look at the Stephen Colbert roasting of George W. Bush earlier this year. Pretty low brow humor probably by your analysis J.T. but I loved it. no way man i loved that, and it was obviously over the heads of most attending! i think you are reaching to compare steven colbert's political humour to your way-too-personal-and-vengeful insulting of tom's children and mental health, but maybe in person you would've inflected your words just right... You are right about the BS aspect of PR. I was constantly surprised how Jeff Mills and Rich came off in a lot of interviews as their fame increased. Much differently than their personalities as human beings. see that's what i would thinkand even if tom is shooting flames out his nostrils etc expressing his distaste for (over-exposed/hyped techno celebrity here), i think he responds to reason at least as well or better than insulting his kids and intelligence etc...he's just shooting the sh;t... too much macho
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Hey, I didn't want to interfere in all this, but in Fred's defense, he never insulted Tom's kid. He only attacked Tom about his mental state (and I happen to agree with him), being in such a bad shape he would run the risk of his kid getting taken away from him by the authorities or something along those lines. I agree that's harsh, but Tom's not exactly in need of pity here and if anything is not insulting to Tom's kid, but Tom himself. On 27-aug-2006, at 21:56PM, J.T. wrote: Re: my approach to Tom. Take a look at the Stephen Colbert roasting of George W. Bush earlier this year. Pretty low brow humor probably by your analysis J.T. but I loved it. no way man i loved that, and it was obviously over the heads of most attending! i think you are reaching to compare steven colbert's political humour to your way-too-personal-and-vengeful insulting of tom's children and mental health, but maybe in person you would've inflected your words just right... You are right about the BS aspect of PR. I was constantly surprised how Jeff Mills and Rich came off in a lot of interviews as their fame increased. Much differently than their personalities as human beings. see that's what i would thinkand even if tom is shooting flames out his nostrils etc expressing his distaste for (over-exposed/ hyped techno celebrity here), i think he responds to reason at least as well or better than insulting his kids and intelligence etc...he's just shooting the sh;t... too much macho
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Yikes - what a happy crew that lot must be! I wonder what's in the 'members only' section - maybe them torturing kittens and puppies? :\ lisa FRED giannelli wrote: I smell a lawsuit http://www.bostonbeatdown.com/videoprofile.html telepathic regards, the kooky scientist
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There's the Neptunes - NERD - and Chad Hugo knows his techno and house and it's evidently an influence. Timbaland. And if Missy's Work It ain't a techno/electro record, I don't know what is?? That new Snoop single From Tha Chuuuch To Da Palace has a techno feel.\ Cyclone you live in Australia. What's that supposed to mean?
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and truth be told, a lot of electronic music is released without the artist making much of anything off the record/CD sales. its kinda a prerequisite to doing better live shows, which is where the money (if any) is. Jay Hogie says: BINGO! You gotta move a scheisseload of units before you make more than enough for peanut butter jelly (sorry, no bread). Economically, I think of releases as an opportunity to make money from giggin' - at least until I get my label going... Okay, not even then. Screw it, I live in Royal Oak, I'll just start robbing these yuppie fools. Who's down wit' me? JPH.
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we can torture them in my basement with trance until they give us their ATM PINs :) you bring the trance and the monitors, that shxt gets no place through my gear :P - Original Message - From: Jason Hogans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 list 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 10:09 PM Subject: Re: (313) Moby (cheddar) and truth be told, a lot of electronic music is released without the artist making much of anything off the record/CD sales. its kinda a prerequisite to doing better live shows, which is where the money (if any) is. Jay Hogie says: BINGO! You gotta move a scheisseload of units before you make more than enough for peanut butter jelly (sorry, no bread). Economically, I think of releases as an opportunity to make money from giggin' - at least until I get my label going... Okay, not even then. Screw it, I live in Royal Oak, I'll just start robbing these yuppie fools. Who's down wit' me? JPH.
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and truth be told, a lot of electronic music is released without the artist making much of anything off the record/CD sales. its kinda a prerequisite to doing better live shows, which is where the money (if any) is. Jay Hogie says: BINGO! You gotta move a scheisseload of units before you make more than enough for peanut butter jelly (sorry, no bread). Economically, I think of releases as an opportunity to make money from giggin' - at least until I get my label going... Okay, not even then. JPH. heard that robbie williams has a clause in his contract, where a certain percentage of the revenues from his concerts goes to the record company. wonder how they ever got him to sign that contract? jurren _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
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Memo from Alex Bond of PricewaterhouseCoopers Start of message text heard that robbie williams has a clause in his contract, where a certain percentage of the revenues from his concerts goes to the record company. wonder how they ever got him to sign that contract? By offering him a huge advance maybe? It was all over the papers here when he signed that deal - £80 million for 5 LP's. Ouch!! I guess they never learnt the Mariah Carey lesson eh? - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. _ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer.
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- Original Message - From: jurren baars [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 12:13 PM Subject: Re: (313) Moby (cheddar) heard that robbie williams has a clause in his contract, where a certain percentage of the revenues from his concerts goes to the record company. wonder how they ever got him to sign that contract? Not sure if there was sarcasm intended or not, but I'm pretty sure that clause would exist because it's the most lucrative recording contract ever. £10,000,000 I think? Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] New Mix in mp3, 'Live in Iowa City' available for a short time from http://phonopsia.isoprax.com
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heard that robbie williams has a clause in his contract, where a certain percentage of the revenues from his concerts goes to the record company. wonder how they ever got him to sign that contract? Robbie Williams has signed what is believed to be an -£80m- contract with EMI Records in what could be the UK's biggest record deal. If I made a 130 million dollar deal I would donate all my concert proceeds to charity or something. 20 million in the bank with 4% interest will give you about 800,000.00 a year, thats just interest. You would be making 800k a year for the rest of your life(increasing each year too) 130 million would give you about 5 million of interest per year. You would be making millions per year... Pardon me whilst I go shed some tears for Robbie, bad record company, bad bad bad ;)
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It's almost surreal always seeing him in the headlines, it makes me think back to 1991 watching him performing at a rave in front of 500 people standing behind his SY 77 keyboard. Now he's making Millions of dollars in album sales, tv commercials endorsements (Microsoft). Can you imagine a black man with Moby's electronica, techno celebrity status? The American music industry wouldn't allow for something like that to happen, the irony is Moby rips off black music. Out of curiosity I was listing to one of his live performances from his last album and he was trying to sound like a black Baptist preacher, I feaaal it, I fl it, yeaaah... in a shaky, black tone of voice. I guess he was trying to sound gospel, making holy spirit and jesus refrences, I remember thinking how uncomfortable it would have been to actually attend that concert, like going to a Christian rock concert. The we are made of stars song he perfromed on SNL sounds a little more endurable, back to his rock n'roll roots I geuss. To make this a little more on topic I remember when Moby dissed Jeff Mills for still playing dominator back in 92-93. This was when Moby was getting tied of the techno genre.
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Uh-uh, I inadvertently started this by posting that MTV story. I thought it was interesting Moby is calling an end to Area 1/2 more as I saw it as a possible economic/cultural indicator. Is it because 18 hasn't sold as well as Play? Or because corporations are nervous of supporting such events in the current economic climate? Or something to do with the clampdown on 'rave' culture in the US? I think we've discussed Moby a lot in the past on 313 and it hasn't ever got us anywhere - and, he he, I'm not his biggest fan. Anyway 18 didn't live up to Play in terms of sales and ironically I think that Eminem diss was very damaging indeed. This is probably less of a salient issue than it was in the middle of the Play phenom. I think things are changing. There is very, very innovative electronic music made by 'pop' black musicians right now, it's just not called 'techno' as such, but it is techno, if you know what I mean. There's the Neptunes - NERD - and Chad Hugo knows his techno and house and it's evidently an influence. Timbaland. And if Missy's Work It ain't a techno/electro record, I don't know what is?? That new Snoop single From Tha Chuuuch To Da Palace has a techno feel. I think Jeff Mills is very charismatic - and therefore marketable - within a certain culture (I'm talking international, not just US market). I'm a little biased but he is way more charismatic than most of the superstar DJs, actually all the Detroit DJs have charisma. Not to be mean, but John Digweed has no charisma at all and yet he is a big name in the US dance culture! Anyway, you can't always use record sales as a baromoter since not every one who would go to - and enjoy - a Mills DJ gig would buy a record of his. I think this is something the wider music industry has yet to come to terms with, other ways to measure success. How many people per year would hear Mills DJ? Not sure if any of that made sense. can you imagine a black man with Moby's electronica, techno celebrity status? The American music industry wouldn't allow for something like that to happen, the irony is Moby rips off black music. Are there any black techno people out that there make crappy rocktronica for the masses and possess marketable qualities at the same time? I think it has more to do with marketability than with the color of ones skin. Just look at Will Smith. Made crappy rap for the masses, a crappy tv sitcom for the masses, crappy movies for the masses. Presto, a 20 million a picture, platinum record selling, oscar nominated superstar that makes Moby and Eminem look small in comparison. Will Smith is black, but at the same time he is extremely marketable to a majority of people. Lets face it, Jeff Mills is brilliant but he is not marketable. If he stopped making quality techno and started making crappy rocktronica he would still have to jump the hurdle of marketable personality. There are reasons why the people/work we like are not products for mass consumption. Either there will be a huge shift in the rabble(possible but highly improbable) or there will be a shift in the people/work we like(possible but highly questionable). Sometimes contributing something meaningful and pure means more than being on the cover of rolling stone and making millions of dollars. If Jeff Mills or Carl Craig want to chase superstardom, fine, but they are not going to succeed at it by doing the stuff that only appealed to a niche audience/market(ie all of us). techno wrote: It's almost surreal always seeing him in the headlines, it makes me think back to 1991 watching him performing at a rave in front of 500 people standing behind his SY 77 keyboard. Now he's making Millions of dollars in album sales, tv commercials endorsements (Microsoft). Can you imagine a black man with Moby's electronica, techno celebrity status? The American music industry wouldn't allow for something like that to happen, the irony is Moby rips off black music. Out of curiosity I was listing to one of his live performances from his last album and he was trying to sound like a black Baptist preacher, I feaaal it, I fl it, yeaaah... in a shaky, black tone of voice. I guess he was trying to sound gospel, making holy spirit and jesus refrences, I remember thinking how uncomfortable it would have been to actually attend that concert, like going to a Christian rock concert. The we are made of stars song he perfromed on SNL sounds a little more endurable, back to his rock n'roll roots I geuss. To make this a little more on topic I remember when Moby dissed Jeff Mills for still playing dominator back in 92-93. This was when Moby was getting tied of the techno genre.
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pardon my observation, but what people listen to has very little to do with the charisma of the artist. I know that a lot of people enjoy the anonymous aspect of electronic music. its nice to not recognize or be recognized sometimes imo of course - Original Message - From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 12:52 PM Subject: Re: (313) Moby Uh-uh, I inadvertently started this by posting that MTV story. I thought it was interesting Moby is calling an end to Area 1/2 more as I saw it as a possible economic/cultural indicator. Is it because 18 hasn't sold as well as Play? Or because corporations are nervous of supporting such events in the current economic climate? Or something to do with the clampdown on 'rave' culture in the US? I think we've discussed Moby a lot in the past on 313 and it hasn't ever got us anywhere - and, he he, I'm not his biggest fan. Anyway 18 didn't live up to Play in terms of sales and ironically I think that Eminem diss was very damaging indeed. This is probably less of a salient issue than it was in the middle of the Play phenom. I think things are changing. There is very, very innovative electronic music made by 'pop' black musicians right now, it's just not called 'techno' as such, but it is techno, if you know what I mean. There's the Neptunes - NERD - and Chad Hugo knows his techno and house and it's evidently an influence. Timbaland. And if Missy's Work It ain't a techno/electro record, I don't know what is?? That new Snoop single From Tha Chuuuch To Da Palace has a techno feel. I think Jeff Mills is very charismatic - and therefore marketable - within a certain culture (I'm talking international, not just US market). I'm a little biased but he is way more charismatic than most of the superstar DJs, actually all the Detroit DJs have charisma. Not to be mean, but John Digweed has no charisma at all and yet he is a big name in the US dance culture! Anyway, you can't always use record sales as a baromoter since not every one who would go to - and enjoy - a Mills DJ gig would buy a record of his. I think this is something the wider music industry has yet to come to terms with, other ways to measure success. How many people per year would hear Mills DJ? Not sure if any of that made sense. can you imagine a black man with Moby's electronica, techno celebrity status? The American music industry wouldn't allow for something like that to happen, the irony is Moby rips off black music. Are there any black techno people out that there make crappy rocktronica for the masses and possess marketable qualities at the same time? I think it has more to do with marketability than with the color of ones skin. Just look at Will Smith. Made crappy rap for the masses, a crappy tv sitcom for the masses, crappy movies for the masses. Presto, a 20 million a picture, platinum record selling, oscar nominated superstar that makes Moby and Eminem look small in comparison. Will Smith is black, but at the same time he is extremely marketable to a majority of people. Lets face it, Jeff Mills is brilliant but he is not marketable. If he stopped making quality techno and started making crappy rocktronica he would still have to jump the hurdle of marketable personality. There are reasons why the people/work we like are not products for mass consumption. Either there will be a huge shift in the rabble(possible but highly improbable) or there will be a shift in the people/work we like(possible but highly questionable). Sometimes contributing something meaningful and pure means more than being on the cover of rolling stone and making millions of dollars. If Jeff Mills or Carl Craig want to chase superstardom, fine, but they are not going to succeed at it by doing the stuff that only appealed to a niche audience/market(ie all of us). techno wrote: It's almost surreal always seeing him in the headlines, it makes me think back to 1991 watching him performing at a rave in front of 500 people standing behind his SY 77 keyboard. Now he's making Millions of dollars in album sales, tv commercials endorsements (Microsoft). Can you imagine a black man with Moby's electronica, techno celebrity status? The American music industry wouldn't allow for something like that to happen, the irony is Moby rips off black music. Out of curiosity I was listing to one of his live performances from his last album and he was trying to sound like a black Baptist preacher, I feaaal it, I fl it, yeaaah... in a shaky, black tone of voice. I guess he was trying to sound gospel, making holy spirit and jesus refrences, I remember thinking how uncomfortable it would have been to actually attend that concert, like going to a Christian rock concert. The we are made of stars song he perfromed on SNL sounds a little more
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Well presumably charisma gets you media attention, however you define it. But yeah the theory comes undone with John Digweed. ;) Inbox Message From: ::\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) Moby Date: 16/12/2002 5:17:02 To: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org pardon my observation, but what people listen to has very little to do with the charisma of the artist. I know that a lot of people enjoy the anonymous aspect of electronic music. its nice to not recognize or be recognized sometimes imo of course
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detroit artists are no different than artists anywhere else. a problem with *certain* detroit producers is they think they are much more important to the music than they are and they have a chip on their shoulder. I'm sure this happens everywhere, but detroit lives in its own little bubble. the more diversified my musical tastes become, the more I see detroit as somewhat close minded to new styles and new concepts. dont mistake a shxtty attitude or big ego for lack of charisma or discrimination based on race. I think its a cop-out for some people that dont want to take responsibility for their own actions. music falls into 2 main catagories: art and business. the businessmen who can also be artists tend to do better than the artists who have no sense of business and act like the world will beat down their doors if they make decent tracks. you have to sell yourself and you have to make connections. electronic musicians are more like orchestra conductors than rock stars. its not a high profile type of entertainment compared with other genres of popular music. if you wanna be a star, techno shouldnt be your music of choice from a production standpoint. - - Original Message - From: xx xx [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 1:55 PM Subject: Re: (313) Moby What majors companies look for is marketable products with manageable artists, with or without charisma. Artists from Detroit are charismatic but not manageable. Manageable in term of artists who always answer you're right to whatever could say a sell out AR at a major company who wants to sell to a sell-out crowd. From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Moby Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 04:52:02 +1100 Uh-uh, I inadvertently started this by posting that MTV story. I thought it was interesting Moby is calling an end to Area 1/2 more as I saw it as a possible economic/cultural indicator. Is it because 18 hasn't sold as well as Play? Or because corporations are nervous of supporting such events in the current economic climate? Or something to do with the clampdown on 'rave' culture in the US? I think we've discussed Moby a lot in the past on 313 and it hasn't ever got us anywhere - and, he he, I'm not his biggest fan. Anyway 18 didn't live up to Play in terms of sales and ironically I think that Eminem diss was very damaging indeed. This is probably less of a salient issue than it was in the middle of the Play phenom. I think things are changing. There is very, very innovative electronic music made by 'pop' black musicians right now, it's just not called 'techno' as such, but it is techno, if you know what I mean. There's the Neptunes - NERD - and Chad Hugo knows his techno and house and it's evidently an influence. Timbaland. And if Missy's Work It ain't a techno/electro record, I don't know what is?? That new Snoop single From Tha Chuuuch To Da Palace has a techno feel. I think Jeff Mills is very charismatic - and therefore marketable - within a certain culture (I'm talking international, not just US market). I'm a little biased but he is way more charismatic than most of the superstar DJs, actually all the Detroit DJs have charisma. Not to be mean, but John Digweed has no charisma at all and yet he is a big name in the US dance culture! Anyway, you can't always use record sales as a baromoter since not every one who would go to - and enjoy - a Mills DJ gig would buy a record of his. I think this is something the wider music industry has yet to come to terms with, other ways to measure success. How many people per year would hear Mills DJ? Not sure if any of that made sense. can you imagine a black man with Moby's electronica, techno celebrity status? The American music industry wouldn't allow for something like that to happen, the irony is Moby rips off black music. Are there any black techno people out that there make crappy rocktronica for the masses and possess marketable qualities at the same time? I think it has more to do with marketability than with the color of ones skin. Just look at Will Smith. Made crappy rap for the masses, a crappy tv sitcom for the masses, crappy movies for the masses. Presto, a 20 million a picture, platinum record selling, oscar nominated superstar that makes Moby and Eminem look small in comparison. Will Smith is black, but at the same time he is extremely marketable to a majority of people. Lets face it, Jeff Mills is brilliant but he is not marketable. If he stopped making quality techno and started making crappy rocktronica he would still have to jump the hurdle of marketable personality. There are reasons why the people/work we like are not products for mass consumption. Either there will be a huge shift in the rabble(possible but highly improbable
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Of course there are different components to what makes someone marketable, charisma is just one, but someone else raised charisma and I responded to that. Inbox Message From: Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) Moby Date: 16/12/2002 6:04:44 To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org John Digweed has no charisma at all and yet he is a big name in the US dance culture! Is John Digweed good or he is DJ cheez for the masses? Charisma isnt the only factor. Moby is not big based solely on charisma alone, he also makes rocktronica or in layman's terms, techno cheeze for the masses. Will Smith didnt make it on charisma alone either, he makes cheezy products for a mass audience.
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Was not the debate. I don't buy assumptions and stereotypes. The issue is more deep than that and you know it. Get the global pictures, not just 2 weak arguments. We cannot debate in few lines this subject, is more than art and business, or ego and bubble. Refer to my email posted on March second, 2002 on the same list. And now if you want to debate do it off list because, sounds like your tone is a little bit biter and that could put us very far. But we are adult, so I know you'll do it. From: ::\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: xx xx [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Moby Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:16:33 -0500 detroit artists are no different than artists anywhere else. a problem with *certain* detroit producers is they think they are much more important to the music than they are and they have a chip on their shoulder. I'm sure this happens everywhere, but detroit lives in its own little bubble. the more diversified my musical tastes become, the more I see detroit as somewhat close minded to new styles and new concepts. dont mistake a shxtty attitude or big ego for lack of charisma or discrimination based on race. I think its a cop-out for some people that dont want to take responsibility for their own actions. music falls into 2 main catagories: art and business. the businessmen who can also be artists tend to do better than the artists who have no sense of business and act like the world will beat down their doors if they make decent tracks. you have to sell yourself and you have to make connections. electronic musicians are more like orchestra conductors than rock stars. its not a high profile type of entertainment compared with other genres of popular music. if you wanna be a star, techno shouldnt be your music of choice from a production standpoint. - - Original Message - From: xx xx [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 1:55 PM Subject: Re: (313) Moby What majors companies look for is marketable products with manageable artists, with or without charisma. Artists from Detroit are charismatic but not manageable. Manageable in term of artists who always answer you're right to whatever could say a sell out AR at a major company who wants to sell to a sell-out crowd. From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Moby Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 04:52:02 +1100 Uh-uh, I inadvertently started this by posting that MTV story. I thought it was interesting Moby is calling an end to Area 1/2 more as I saw it as a possible economic/cultural indicator. Is it because 18 hasn't sold as well as Play? Or because corporations are nervous of supporting such events in the current economic climate? Or something to do with the clampdown on 'rave' culture in the US? I think we've discussed Moby a lot in the past on 313 and it hasn't ever got us anywhere - and, he he, I'm not his biggest fan. Anyway 18 didn't live up to Play in terms of sales and ironically I think that Eminem diss was very damaging indeed. This is probably less of a salient issue than it was in the middle of the Play phenom. I think things are changing. There is very, very innovative electronic music made by 'pop' black musicians right now, it's just not called 'techno' as such, but it is techno, if you know what I mean. There's the Neptunes - NERD - and Chad Hugo knows his techno and house and it's evidently an influence. Timbaland. And if Missy's Work It ain't a techno/electro record, I don't know what is?? That new Snoop single From Tha Chuuuch To Da Palace has a techno feel. I think Jeff Mills is very charismatic - and therefore marketable - within a certain culture (I'm talking international, not just US market). I'm a little biased but he is way more charismatic than most of the superstar DJs, actually all the Detroit DJs have charisma. Not to be mean, but John Digweed has no charisma at all and yet he is a big name in the US dance culture! Anyway, you can't always use record sales as a baromoter since not every one who would go to - and enjoy - a Mills DJ gig would buy a record of his. I think this is something the wider music industry has yet to come to terms with, other ways to measure success. How many people per year would hear Mills DJ? Not sure if any of that made sense. can you imagine a black man with Moby's electronica, techno celebrity status? The American music industry wouldn't allow for something like that to happen, the irony is Moby rips off black music. Are there any black techno people out that there make crappy rocktronica for the masses and possess marketable qualities at the same time? I think it has more to do with marketability than with the color of ones skin. Just look at Will Smith. Made crappy rap for the masses, a crappy tv sitcom for the masses, crappy movies
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my apologies, I didnt intend to sound bitter. Im just speaking based on my experiences. detroit is different than any other place on earth and not always for the better. its very very territorial. my hope is that the demfs break down the walls and expose the great minds in detroit to the sounds of the other electronic music hotspots. if you're from detroit and you dont make detroit techno and its easier to get shows in europe than it is in detroit, thats indicitive of something, dont you think? detroit has a sound and we're all proud of it, but I'd like to see more diversity. thats not bitter, thats just wishing detroit the best. diversity means more listeners = more events and more opportunities to perpertuate the detroit influence on all genres of electronic music. again, Im not debating anything with anyone, Im just stating my opinions based on my experiences. - Original Message - From: xx xx [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 5:11 PM Subject: Re: (313) Moby Was not the debate. I don't buy assumptions and stereotypes. The issue is more deep than that and you know it. Get the global pictures, not just 2 weak arguments. We cannot debate in few lines this subject, is more than art and business, or ego and bubble. Refer to my email posted on March second, 2002 on the same list. And now if you want to debate do it off list because, sounds like your tone is a little bit biter and that could put us very far. But we are adult, so I know you'll do it. From: ::\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: xx xx [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Moby Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:16:33 -0500 detroit artists are no different than artists anywhere else. a problem with *certain* detroit producers is they think they are much more important to the music than they are and they have a chip on their shoulder. I'm sure this happens everywhere, but detroit lives in its own little bubble. the more diversified my musical tastes become, the more I see detroit as somewhat close minded to new styles and new concepts. dont mistake a shxtty attitude or big ego for lack of charisma or discrimination based on race. I think its a cop-out for some people that dont want to take responsibility for their own actions. music falls into 2 main catagories: art and business. the businessmen who can also be artists tend to do better than the artists who have no sense of business and act like the world will beat down their doors if they make decent tracks. you have to sell yourself and you have to make connections. electronic musicians are more like orchestra conductors than rock stars. its not a high profile type of entertainment compared with other genres of popular music. if you wanna be a star, techno shouldnt be your music of choice from a production standpoint. - - Original Message - From: xx xx [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 1:55 PM Subject: Re: (313) Moby What majors companies look for is marketable products with manageable artists, with or without charisma. Artists from Detroit are charismatic but not manageable. Manageable in term of artists who always answer you're right to whatever could say a sell out AR at a major company who wants to sell to a sell-out crowd. From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Moby Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 04:52:02 +1100 Uh-uh, I inadvertently started this by posting that MTV story. I thought it was interesting Moby is calling an end to Area 1/2 more as I saw it as a possible economic/cultural indicator. Is it because 18 hasn't sold as well as Play? Or because corporations are nervous of supporting such events in the current economic climate? Or something to do with the clampdown on 'rave' culture in the US? I think we've discussed Moby a lot in the past on 313 and it hasn't ever got us anywhere - and, he he, I'm not his biggest fan. Anyway 18 didn't live up to Play in terms of sales and ironically I think that Eminem diss was very damaging indeed. This is probably less of a salient issue than it was in the middle of the Play phenom. I think things are changing. There is very, very innovative electronic music made by 'pop' black musicians right now, it's just not called 'techno' as such, but it is techno, if you know what I mean. There's the Neptunes - NERD - and Chad Hugo knows his techno and house and it's evidently an influence. Timbaland. And if Missy's Work It ain't a techno/electro record, I don't know what is?? That new Snoop single From Tha Chuuuch To Da Palace has a techno feel. I think Jeff Mills is very charismatic - and therefore marketable - within a certain culture (I'm talking international, not just US
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on 12/15/02 9:48 AM, Adam Haupt at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there any black techno people out that there make crappy rocktronica for the masses and possess marketable qualities at the same time? Why cant a Carl Craig or Cajmere character achieve pop music stardom? Will Smith is black, but at the same time he is extremely marketable to a majority of people. Will Smith?! what does he have to do with techno? on 12/15/02 11:52 AM, Cyclone Wehner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's the Neptunes - NERD - and Chad Hugo knows his techno and house and it's evidently an influence. Timbaland. And if Missy's Work It ain't a techno/electro record, I don't know what is?? That new Snoop single From Tha Chuuuch To Da Palace has a techno feel.\ Cyclone you live in Australia. Anyway, you can't always use record sales as a baromoter since not every one who would go to - and enjoy - a Mills DJ gig would buy a record of his. I think this is something the wider music industry has yet to come to terms with, other ways to measure success. How many people per year would hear Mills DJ? Not sure if any of that made sense. Jeff Mills can only sell out a hand full a good sized venues in select US cities, Paul Okenfold on the other hand can go on a fifty state tour and easily sell out each venue.
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and truth be told, a lot of electronic music is released without the artist making much of anything off the record/CD sales. its kinda a prerequisite to doing better live shows, which is where the money (if any) is. - Original Message - From: techno [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 5:11 PM Subject: Re: (313) Moby on 12/15/02 9:48 AM, Adam Haupt at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there any black techno people out that there make crappy rocktronica for the masses and possess marketable qualities at the same time? Why cant a Carl Craig or Cajmere character achieve pop music stardom? Will Smith is black, but at the same time he is extremely marketable to a majority of people. Will Smith?! what does he have to do with techno? on 12/15/02 11:52 AM, Cyclone Wehner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's the Neptunes - NERD - and Chad Hugo knows his techno and house and it's evidently an influence. Timbaland. And if Missy's Work It ain't a techno/electro record, I don't know what is?? That new Snoop single From Tha Chuuuch To Da Palace has a techno feel.\ Cyclone you live in Australia. Anyway, you can't always use record sales as a baromoter since not every one who would go to - and enjoy - a Mills DJ gig would buy a record of his. I think this is something the wider music industry has yet to come to terms with, other ways to measure success. How many people per year would hear Mills DJ? Not sure if any of that made sense. Jeff Mills can only sell out a hand full a good sized venues in select US cities, Paul Okenfold on the other hand can go on a fifty state tour and easily sell out each venue.
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sorry all, this was not intended for the list. - Original Message - From: ::) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FRED giannelli [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Matthew L. Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 5:54 PM Subject: Re: (313) Moby assaulted my condolances fred. give my best wishes to your family -Joe DelCimmuto - Original Message - From: FRED giannelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Matthew L. Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 5:47 PM Subject: Re: (313) Moby assaulted Well it wasn't me, I was too busy dealing with this. http://www.boston.com/dailynews/344/sports/Joseph_Giannelli_popular_UConn:.s html Actually, I met Moby once and told him that my Uncle was @ UConn. I guess Moby studied philosophy there for a little while. Perhaps the assailants where radical anti-Catholics. Now that the Pope has accepted Cardinal Law before the whole institution gets condemned for crimes against humanity. What a bunch of drama queens announcing such a controversial resignation on Friday the 13th !!! Maybe the assailants were just drunken rednecks who mistook Moby for a wannabe Saint. Or else just a bunch of Boston a--holes. telepathic regards, the kooky scientist on 12/13/02 5:27 PM, Matthew L. Thompson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't been paying too close attention to most of the discussion on 313 the last few days, but please pardon me if this story has made the list already... Matt www.magicmattkelly.com - http://www.azcentral.com/offbeat/articles/1213MobyAttack13-ON.html Associated Press Dec. 13, 2002 07:15 AM BOSTON - Techno artist Moby was attacked by two men while signing autographs outside a nightclub following a radio station-sponsored holiday concert, police said. According to police and witnesses, Moby, whose real name is Richard M. Melville, was approached by the men about 1 a.m. Thursday outside the Paradise Rock Club. One of the men punched Moby in the back of the head and on the right side of his face, breaking the singer's glasses and cutting and bruising his face. When two club security guards tried to stop the attack, the assailants sprayed a mace-like substance at Moby, Moby's manager and the guards, and then fled, police said. Moby, 37, declined medical attention. The assailants said nothing during the attack, and the motive is unknown, said Paradise manager Jeff Marshall. During the concert, Moby, a self-described pacifist, had spoken out against aggression and violence. He wrote on his Web site that he is not angry about the attack, just mystified about the motive. He has asked the attackers to post an explanation. Moby is electronic music's first bona fide superstar. His 1999 album Play sold 10 million copies. For the past two years, the Connecticut native has headlined a touring festival that has featured guests such as David Bowie.
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For being the biggest Techno artist around it's a little disheartening that the AP/CNN can't get his last name right... ...Moby, whose real name is Richard M. Melville... J - Original Message - From: ian cheshire [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mark S. Krüx [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ::) [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Matthew L. Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: RE: (313) Moby assaulted yeah i saw this earlier today while surfing dj-sets and saw the article.. man poor guy.. -Original Message- From: Mark S. Krüx [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 December 2002 22:41 To: ::); Matthew L. Thompson; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Moby assaulted Im no moby fan, but he surely doesnt deserve physical harm I think we can all agree on the above... Laters, m* --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 06/12/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 06/12/02
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Yes, I thought his correct name was Richard M. Hall, is it not? I was beginning to wonder how many aliases Moby had Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.magicmattkelly.com - Original Message - From: JMG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 9:04 PM Subject: Re: (313) Moby assaulted For being the biggest Techno artist around it's a little disheartening that the AP/CNN can't get his last name right... ...Moby, whose real name is Richard M. Melville... J
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like moby or not, but I hope this doesnt trigger a slew of Im glad he got beat up emails. that would be truely disappointing and really not true to the openness and serenity of the techno crowd as a whole. I hope he recovers and that if they are eminem fans, that eminem comes out and shames these idiots on in some public way. Im no moby fan, but he surely doesnt deserve physical harm -Joe - Original Message - From: Matthew L. Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 5:27 PM Subject: (313) Moby assaulted I haven't been paying too close attention to most of the discussion on 313 the last few days, but please pardon me if this story has made the list already... Matt www.magicmattkelly.com - http://www.azcentral.com/offbeat/articles/1213MobyAttack13-ON.html Associated Press Dec. 13, 2002 07:15 AM BOSTON - Techno artist Moby was attacked by two men while signing autographs outside a nightclub following a radio station-sponsored holiday concert, police said. According to police and witnesses, Moby, whose real name is Richard M. Melville, was approached by the men about 1 a.m. Thursday outside the Paradise Rock Club. One of the men punched Moby in the back of the head and on the right side of his face, breaking the singer's glasses and cutting and bruising his face. When two club security guards tried to stop the attack, the assailants sprayed a mace-like substance at Moby, Moby's manager and the guards, and then fled, police said. Moby, 37, declined medical attention. The assailants said nothing during the attack, and the motive is unknown, said Paradise manager Jeff Marshall. During the concert, Moby, a self-described pacifist, had spoken out against aggression and violence. He wrote on his Web site that he is not angry about the attack, just mystified about the motive. He has asked the attackers to post an explanation. Moby is electronic music's first bona fide superstar. His 1999 album Play sold 10 million copies. For the past two years, the Connecticut native has headlined a touring festival that has featured guests such as David Bowie.
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Im no moby fan, but he surely doesnt deserve physical harm I think we can all agree on the above... Laters, m*
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Well it wasn't me, I was too busy dealing with this. http://www.boston.com/dailynews/344/sports/Joseph_Giannelli_popular_UConn:.s html Actually, I met Moby once and told him that my Uncle was @ UConn. I guess Moby studied philosophy there for a little while. Perhaps the assailants where radical anti-Catholics. Now that the Pope has accepted Cardinal Law before the whole institution gets condemned for crimes against humanity. What a bunch of drama queens announcing such a controversial resignation on Friday the 13th !!! Maybe the assailants were just drunken rednecks who mistook Moby for a wannabe Saint. Or else just a bunch of Boston a--holes. telepathic regards, the kooky scientist on 12/13/02 5:27 PM, Matthew L. Thompson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't been paying too close attention to most of the discussion on 313 the last few days, but please pardon me if this story has made the list already... Matt www.magicmattkelly.com - http://www.azcentral.com/offbeat/articles/1213MobyAttack13-ON.html Associated Press Dec. 13, 2002 07:15 AM BOSTON - Techno artist Moby was attacked by two men while signing autographs outside a nightclub following a radio station-sponsored holiday concert, police said. According to police and witnesses, Moby, whose real name is Richard M. Melville, was approached by the men about 1 a.m. Thursday outside the Paradise Rock Club. One of the men punched Moby in the back of the head and on the right side of his face, breaking the singer's glasses and cutting and bruising his face. When two club security guards tried to stop the attack, the assailants sprayed a mace-like substance at Moby, Moby's manager and the guards, and then fled, police said. Moby, 37, declined medical attention. The assailants said nothing during the attack, and the motive is unknown, said Paradise manager Jeff Marshall. During the concert, Moby, a self-described pacifist, had spoken out against aggression and violence. He wrote on his Web site that he is not angry about the attack, just mystified about the motive. He has asked the attackers to post an explanation. Moby is electronic music's first bona fide superstar. His 1999 album Play sold 10 million copies. For the past two years, the Connecticut native has headlined a touring festival that has featured guests such as David Bowie.
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yeah i saw this earlier today while surfing dj-sets and saw the article.. man poor guy.. -Original Message- From: Mark S. Krüx [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 December 2002 22:41 To: ::); Matthew L. Thompson; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Moby assaulted Im no moby fan, but he surely doesnt deserve physical harm I think we can all agree on the above... Laters, m* --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 06/12/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 06/12/02
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my condolances fred. give my best wishes to your family -Joe DelCimmuto - Original Message - From: FRED giannelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Matthew L. Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 5:47 PM Subject: Re: (313) Moby assaulted Well it wasn't me, I was too busy dealing with this. http://www.boston.com/dailynews/344/sports/Joseph_Giannelli_popular_UConn:.s html Actually, I met Moby once and told him that my Uncle was @ UConn. I guess Moby studied philosophy there for a little while. Perhaps the assailants where radical anti-Catholics. Now that the Pope has accepted Cardinal Law before the whole institution gets condemned for crimes against humanity. What a bunch of drama queens announcing such a controversial resignation on Friday the 13th !!! Maybe the assailants were just drunken rednecks who mistook Moby for a wannabe Saint. Or else just a bunch of Boston a--holes. telepathic regards, the kooky scientist on 12/13/02 5:27 PM, Matthew L. Thompson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't been paying too close attention to most of the discussion on 313 the last few days, but please pardon me if this story has made the list already... Matt www.magicmattkelly.com - http://www.azcentral.com/offbeat/articles/1213MobyAttack13-ON.html Associated Press Dec. 13, 2002 07:15 AM BOSTON - Techno artist Moby was attacked by two men while signing autographs outside a nightclub following a radio station-sponsored holiday concert, police said. According to police and witnesses, Moby, whose real name is Richard M. Melville, was approached by the men about 1 a.m. Thursday outside the Paradise Rock Club. One of the men punched Moby in the back of the head and on the right side of his face, breaking the singer's glasses and cutting and bruising his face. When two club security guards tried to stop the attack, the assailants sprayed a mace-like substance at Moby, Moby's manager and the guards, and then fled, police said. Moby, 37, declined medical attention. The assailants said nothing during the attack, and the motive is unknown, said Paradise manager Jeff Marshall. During the concert, Moby, a self-described pacifist, had spoken out against aggression and violence. He wrote on his Web site that he is not angry about the attack, just mystified about the motive. He has asked the attackers to post an explanation. Moby is electronic music's first bona fide superstar. His 1999 album Play sold 10 million copies. For the past two years, the Connecticut native has headlined a touring festival that has featured guests such as David Bowie.
RE: [313] Moby, underground techno
In the beggining techno was underground, but then it was only techno, today everybody that use somekind of filter is techno. So if we talking about big events you cant make event, book Moby, FBS, Underworld(without emerson), Paul van Dyk and call it Techno, because its POP. So if I follow your reasoning then Jeff Mills, Laurent Garnier, Richie Hawtin, Dave Clarke, Mark Broom, Derrick May, Juan Atkins, Claude Young, Ken Ishii, etc... who all play or played the I love techno party together with Underworld, Pills, Mixmaster Mike and others for 3 people here in Belgium (which does qualify as a big event me thinks) do not play techno but pop? I'd give a lot to hear their opinion on that... you can stop that some records go out of thier original place on scene, but when you start to make songs with that purpose you are history for underground electronic music. Then you go on Top of the Pops. When I heard Laurent Garnier play 'Man With The Red Face' live as early as 1999 I don't think that he made that track with the specific purpose of becoming a hit record. If you could actually know which techno/house records will cross over into the mainstream I'm willing to bet that all names mentioned above would not hesitate to make such a track. Or did you think that Rolando's 'Knights Of The Jaguar' was pre-conceived to becoming a hit record? He would be glad to hear that... I could be misreading your thoughts, so feel free to correct me. And at the and of a day, i see, that one leter is missing-t ,i mean you CANT stop some records... And by that i also mean on Rolando, and Laurent Garnier etc. Im still saying that moby goes in studio and makes songs like pizza`s. A little bit of everything on top and its one million selling record. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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counter-culturally yours, Counter-Culture and all its bragging rights are just as toolish as Pop Culture: there's just less of you to do it. Whatever happened to real individuality? a sincere amen to that Jayson... RD _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interested in Turkey? Visit http://www.turkey.com! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:54:18 -0400 David Bitterman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the message was aimed more towards the POP headliners such as Moby, Oakenfold, Underworld, etc.., NOT at their more underground stage partners. Do you honestly believe that when Underworld made 'Cowgirl' and 'Dubnobasswithmyheadman' that they were aiming to becoming a pop-band? I don't think so, they were just trying to bring there version of the music we all know and love: techno. The way they evolved was not the way I liked, so I just stopped buying their records, not because they lost 'underground-credibility', but just because I didn't dig what they made. Point being if I flip through the MAJOR FM radio stations I may pass that shitty Moby track on a POP station. I'm not going to catch slak or Elektrostatik EVER on those same stations. True, just because major FM stations cater the majority of the audience which would rather hear Moby than Elektrostatic, not because they do not want to support the underground, but just because they just don't dig the music and rather hear things they know. Needless to say, I meet these dumb azz f*ckin promoters from time to time and consider them mostly a disease. They have no concept whatsoever. They are just trying to make a buck and be cool at the same time. Throw a bunch of names on a flyer, add whatever local talent is pandering to you, hire a bunch of stupid light systems, and voila. Instant success party. Sorry to burst your underground bubble, but when a promoter asks Derrick May and Jeff Mills for his party he too is trying to make a buck by putting a bunch of names on a flyer. He just chose a smaller market which is much easier to target and is almost surely a success. Personally I'd rather shoot myself in the foot than attempt to throw a party of that caliber. Well, why don't you get behind the screen and try to throw a different party then? Don't get me wrong on the previous paragraphs, I do agree with you to a great extent concerning the big events having no concept and only out to make money, but that goes for pop as well as techno as any other musical form. I myself have been throwing parties since 1993, and continue to do so to this very day with just one thing in mind: fun and music. I haven't gotten a penny out of it, but the memories and thank you's of my friends have made up for that in huge fashion. But I do not claim to be underground, I'm just bringing the music I like to whoever wants to hear it. So stop complaining and just do it! It was in a recent Autechre interview that they discussed art without a dissident edge, basically saying that without that propulsion away from the establishment or from compromise the art isn't really communicating anything revolutionary or otherwise. Does art really need to be revolutionary? I don't find Jeff Mills' 'Every Dog' revolutionary in the least, but for me it is well and truly art. Is it dissident? Not at all IMO, but it's just good music to my ears, and that's all that matters. I think these people (wack promoters) should go get a job at a burger joint and contribute more to society. I won't tell you what I REALLY think they should go do... I do believe that organizing a concert for 1 people and making their day is a bit more contribution to society than serving burgers and being attacked by antiglobalist-movements, but that's just my opinion. Back to you! RD D(bit) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interested in Turkey? Visit http://www.turkey.com! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Indeed, and imagine the pain they must be going through when: - making big bucks dj'ing around the globe - being revered by millions of people - being revered by countless producers and influencing every techno / house / d'n'b producer I for one couldn't take that much disrespect... Honestly I think some people here have to start making up their minds, always stating that techno is underground and should not become commercial and at the same time always complaining about lack of exposure or being mad whenever a big event does not pay respect to the underground. What'll it be? RD On Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:10:50 + Jayson B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i know that the B3 is probably used to it, and probably don't even know or care that they're not being promoted, but i could never deal with that kind of pain on a repeated basis... which is worse? being booked alongside dj supahcheese under the title the innovators or not being booked at all? I understand where everyone is coming from on this issue, but as for the B3 being completely downtrodden is quite a bit of a myth. I don't see any of them driving rusted out minivans and eating bakes beans out of a can. Last time i checked, they were getting pimped out Ford focuses at cPOP. downtrodden? i think not. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interested in Turkey? Visit http://www.turkey.com! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Moby, underground techno
Honestly I think some people here have to start making up their minds, always stating that techno is underground and should not become commercial and at the same time always complaining about lack of exposure or being mad whenever a big event does not pay respect to the underground. What'll it be? RD In the beggining techno was underground, but then it was only techno, today everybody that use somekind of filter is techno. So if we talking about big events you cant make event, book Moby, FBS, Underworld(without emerson), Paul van Dyk and call it Techno, because its POP. you can stop that some records go out of thier original place on scene, but when you start to make songs with that purpose you are history for underground electronic music. Then you go on Top of the Pops. Long time ago Moby and crew made that. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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they've been assimilated.. no more soul.. moby.. that's pop music... those who want music to be popular have no purpose other than to sell their product or seek praise and adulation, something they wouldn't need if they had a purpose.. furthermore they probably are talking about disco-house and superstar dj'ing anyways, so let them go, we don't have a movement until it's back underground... and none of those artists on the borderline are making music worth fighting for.. at least i wouldn't... counter-culturally yours, ryan -Original Message- From: Berislav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 9:03 AM To: 313 Subject: RE: [313] Moby, underground techno Honestly I think some people here have to start making up their minds, always stating that techno is underground and should not become commercial and at the same time always complaining about lack of exposure or being mad whenever a big event does not pay respect to the underground. What'll it be? RD In the beggining techno was underground, but then it was only techno, today everybody that use somekind of filter is techno. So if we talking about big events you cant make event, book Moby, FBS, Underworld(without emerson), Paul van Dyk and call it Techno, because its POP. you can stop that some records go out of thier original place on scene, but when you start to make songs with that purpose you are history for underground electronic music. Then you go on Top of the Pops. Long time ago Moby and crew made that. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Moby, underground techno
In the beggining techno was underground, but then it was only techno, today everybody that use somekind of filter is techno. So if we talking about big events you cant make event, book Moby, FBS, Underworld(without emerson), Paul van Dyk and call it Techno, because its POP. So if I follow your reasoning then Jeff Mills, Laurent Garnier, Richie Hawtin, Dave Clarke, Mark Broom, Derrick May, Juan Atkins, Claude Young, Ken Ishii, etc... who all play or played the I love techno party together with Underworld, Pills, Mixmaster Mike and others for 3 people here in Belgium (which does qualify as a big event me thinks) do not play techno but pop? I'd give a lot to hear their opinion on that... you can stop that some records go out of thier original place on scene, but when you start to make songs with that purpose you are history for underground electronic music. Then you go on Top of the Pops. When I heard Laurent Garnier play 'Man With The Red Face' live as early as 1999 I don't think that he made that track with the specific purpose of becoming a hit record. If you could actually know which techno/house records will cross over into the mainstream I'm willing to bet that all names mentioned above would not hesitate to make such a track. Or did you think that Rolando's 'Knights Of The Jaguar' was pre-conceived to becoming a hit record? He would be glad to hear that... I could be misreading your thoughts, so feel free to correct me. RD Long time ago Moby and crew made that. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interested in Turkey? Visit http://www.turkey.com! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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they've been assimilated.. no more soul... WORD! moby.. that's pop music... those who want music to be popular have no purpose other than to sell their product or seek praise and adulation, something they wouldn't need if they had a purpose.. furthermore they probably are talking about disco-house and superstar dj'ing anyways, so let them go, we don't have a movement until it's back underground... and none of those artists on the borderline are making music worth fighting for.. at least i wouldn't... counter-culturally yours, ryan -Original Message- From: Berislav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 9:03 AM To: 313 Subject: RE: [313] Moby, underground techno Honestly I think some people here have to start making up their minds, always stating that techno is underground and should not become commercial and at the same time always complaining about lack of exposure or being mad whenever a big event does not pay respect to the underground. What'll it be? RD In the beggining techno was underground, but then it was only techno, today everybody that use somekind of filter is techno. So if we talking about big events you cant make event, book Moby, FBS, Underworld(without emerson), Paul van Dyk and call it Techno, because its POP. you can stop that some records go out of thier original place on scene, but when you start to make songs with that purpose you are history for underground electronic music. Then you go on Top of the Pops. Long time ago Moby and crew made that. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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POP! Oh I can't wait til we see Berislav in the big lights headlining the I MADE IT festival. Yes Berislav's latest tune I am Underground has gone double platinum overnight!! Berislav has been invited to make millions of dollars touring with a full orchestra and a bus full of grill cheese sandwiches. But don't fret folks because everyone knows that artists who go double platinum have MILLIONs of dollars to spend, and don't need or want their music to be heard by anyone. Why would Bersilav sell his music to advertisements when he can eat all those grill cheese sandwiches on the bus? Shit happens, roll with the punches, or kill yourself like Kurt Kobain. -todd - Original Message - From: Berislav [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 9:02 AM Subject: RE: [313] Moby, underground techno Honestly I think some people here have to start making up their minds, always stating that techno is underground and should not become commercial and at the same time always complaining about lack of exposure or being mad whenever a big event does not pay respect to the underground. What'll it be? RD In the beggining techno was underground, but then it was only techno, today everybody that use somekind of filter is techno. So if we talking about big events you cant make event, book Moby, FBS, Underworld(without emerson), Paul van Dyk and call it Techno, because its POP. you can stop that some records go out of thier original place on scene, but when you start to make songs with that purpose you are history for underground electronic music. Then you go on Top of the Pops. Long time ago Moby and crew made that. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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they've been assimilated.. no more soul.. You've been assimilated to. moby.. that's pop music... those who want music to be popular have no purpose other than to sell their product or seek praise and adulation, something they wouldn't need if they had a purpose.. He does have a purpose. He wants to sell a fucload of records. we don't have a movement until it's back underground... Catch Phrase #1 and none of those artists on the borderline are making music worth fighting for opinions are a beautiful thing, but they're not law. .. at least i wouldn't... good thing you stated this. counter-culturally yours, Counter-Culture and all its bragging rights are just as toolish as Pop Culture: there's just less of you to do it. Whatever happened to real individuality? _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You've been assimilated to. so beit.. He does have a purpose. He wants to sell a fucload of records. he's bones and guts, just like the rest of us. if he(they) want/s to sell records, no problem. we all have to work and i don't see anything wrong with selling records.. cool job right?.. i just don't see his relevance to the techno community, or what's left of it if he's popular like that. i think his name comes up here because there is resentment the ramifications of pop music, good, bad, or whatever.. whoever asked for a stance was correct.. although the lines are blurred.. it's either all pop or there is still such a thing as underground music, which is always changing and thrives through support on a different level.. i think there will always be both, they are necessary ends. and none of those artists on the borderline are making music worth fighting for .. at least i wouldn't... good thing you stated this. (that's why it was there, jayson.) if all the backstreet boys fans are buying fucloads of rob hood records, he won't need our support. Counter-Culture and all its bragging rights are just as toolish as Pop Culture: there's just less of you to do it. Whatever happened to real individuality? in the end we are all the same with different perspectives, real individuals, no two just alike... so it may be cliche', but i feel that a message is clearer when there are fewer people involved.. make sense? i just don't think it's as cut and dry as selling some records.. people have egos and are selfish interests, it's human nature. i'm off track now, hope i made some sense of it. if not, that's my own non-sensical individuality or sleep deprivation kicking in. take care. ;) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You know, I promised myself I would not get into this thead. The really sad thing about area one or moby or whoever is that it will represent this music in 20 years. I was talking with some black dudes I worked with about a year ago about music, and they absolutely refused to believe that disco was black music. They just kept bringing up Saturday Night Fever and John Travolta. It is going to be exactly the same thing in 20 years. Afterall, Duran Duran and Flock of Seaguls represent the width and breath of New Wave in the popular consciousness of America. Take care, Mike - Original Message - From: Scotto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [313] Moby this is not a new thing it has been going on in music for a long time. look at all the '50's blues artist that when in the '60's electric blues became popular with white ardencies you then had muddy waters and howlin' wolf opening up for the cream and the animals etc. and of course the cream had there name bigger then muddy's on the fliers but I can guarantee that he was happy to be making a living doing what he loved. when you make music for a living and when you don't get money from your record sales (be bad record deal or out of print) for what ever reason you have to make money the way you know how. playing live! Scott Laakso --- --- imajin/ imagine http://www.mp3.com/i_majin http://www.ampcast.com/imagine - Original Message - From: Jayson B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 6:10 PM Subject: RE: [313] Moby i know that the B3 is probably used to it, and probably don't even know or care that they're not being promoted, but i could never deal with that kind of pain on a repeated basis... which is worse? being booked alongside dj supahcheese under the title the innovators or not being booked at all? I understand where everyone is coming from on this issue, but as for the B3 being completely downtrodden is quite a bit of a myth. I don't see any of them driving rusted out minivans and eating bakes beans out of a can. Last time i checked, they were getting pimped out Ford focuses at cPOP. downtrodden? i think not. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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lemme remind you that the best things in life are free... cars and money are necessary, and nice, but i don't think that's the _artist's_ intention when he puts out his _art_ (not tracks) to the world... anyway, enough of this sh*# from me, the bandwidth is getting clogged as it is. doesn't need me adding to the pile of junk. :) last word on 313 from me on this subject. Mike From: Jayson B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] Moby Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:10:50 + i know that the B3 is probably used to it, and probably don't even know or care that they're not being promoted, but i could never deal with that kind of pain on a repeated basis... which is worse? being booked alongside dj supahcheese under the title the innovators or not being booked at all? I understand where everyone is coming from on this issue, but as for the B3 being completely downtrodden is quite a bit of a myth. I don't see any of them driving rusted out minivans and eating bakes beans out of a can. Last time i checked, they were getting pimped out Ford focuses at cPOP. downtrodden? i think not. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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keep posting. thank you! --- Jayson B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i know that the B3 is probably used to it, and probably don't even know or care that they're not being promoted, but i could never deal with that kind of pain on a repeated basis... which is worse? being booked alongside dj supahcheese under the title the innovators or not being booked at all? I understand where everyone is coming from on this issue, but as for the B3 being completely downtrodden is quite a bit of a myth. I don't see any of them driving rusted out minivans and eating bakes beans out of a can. Last time i checked, they were getting pimped out Ford focuses at cPOP. downtrodden? i think not. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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this is not a new thing it has been going on in music for a long time. look at all the '50's blues artist that when in the '60's electric blues became popular with white ardencies you then had muddy waters and howlin' wolf opening up for the cream and the animals etc. and of course the cream had there name bigger then muddy's on the fliers but I can guarantee that he was happy to be making a living doing what he loved. when you make music for a living and when you don't get money from your record sales (be bad record deal or out of print) for what ever reason you have to make money the way you know how. playing live! Scott Laakso --- --- imajin/ imagine http://www.mp3.com/i_majin http://www.ampcast.com/imagine - Original Message - From: Jayson B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 6:10 PM Subject: RE: [313] Moby i know that the B3 is probably used to it, and probably don't even know or care that they're not being promoted, but i could never deal with that kind of pain on a repeated basis... which is worse? being booked alongside dj supahcheese under the title the innovators or not being booked at all? I understand where everyone is coming from on this issue, but as for the B3 being completely downtrodden is quite a bit of a myth. I don't see any of them driving rusted out minivans and eating bakes beans out of a can. Last time i checked, they were getting pimped out Ford focuses at cPOP. downtrodden? i think not. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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it's not really hating on Moby/Oakenfold whatever... they can do their thing, every type of music needs its mainstream counterpart, and the underground for those who know. okay, hype up Moby and Oakenfold to bring people in, but to not even |mention| the three guys who SHOULD be getting the most love from this city just pisses me off, although this is hardly anything new got an analogy for you, seeing your email addy... how would you feel if you came home from a war and your own local newspaper, in their welcome-home article, mentions some dildo who cleaned toilets during his stint and not you? same deal. it's gotta hurt... i know that the B3 is probably used to it, and probably don't even know or care that they're not being promoted, but i could never deal with that kind of pain on a repeated basis... so i've gotta give Detroit DJ's who put up with this major respect Mike From: FC3 Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Scotto' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] Moby Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 03:04:10 -0700 yes...promoted by ford. the flier for LA has Juan Atkins name on it for that show. the ad in URB has a whole little square with Juan, Kevin, and Derrick's names in it. i don't see what the big deal is with everyone hatin on moby. if i remember right (sometimes my memory is a little off) but alot of people consider Go (not the frickin movie) to be classic. I don't think that Juan, Kevin, or Derrick, would have joined on for this tour if they didn't have some kind of respect for him. or maybe they just want to see Outkast for free. jeff ps please note that i NEVER said i am on moby's dick. just shouldn't talk about someone if they aren't here to defend themselves...heh -Original Message- From: Scotto [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 2:11 AM To:313 Subject: Re: [313] Moby I thaught ford was promoting area 1 Scott Laakso --- - Original Message - From: Michael Kim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:41 AM Subject: Re: [313] Moby my question is, is the B3 gonna be there? might actually make it worth going to, although i probably won't stick around for Oakenfold and Moby. i heard a radio advertisement, but no mention at all of any Detroit DJ. sad... these punkass promoters won't even mention their names. Mike From: Michael Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Moby Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 20:10:03 -0400 You know, it has been a long time since we have talked about Moby. What do you guys think about his music, is he good or a Corporate Whore? What about the Arena One Tour Sponsored by Best Buy? Is our culture being stolen from us? Disscuss... Also, What is going on with Carol Marvin? Take care, Mike Taylor - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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i know that the B3 is probably used to it, and probably don't even know or care that they're not being promoted, but i could never deal with that kind of pain on a repeated basis... which is worse? being booked alongside dj supahcheese under the title the innovators or not being booked at all? I understand where everyone is coming from on this issue, but as for the B3 being completely downtrodden is quite a bit of a myth. I don't see any of them driving rusted out minivans and eating bakes beans out of a can. Last time i checked, they were getting pimped out Ford focuses at cPOP. downtrodden? i think not. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] moby: All the Moby That's Fit to Print
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/17/arts/17AREA.html?searchpv=nytToday All about Moby, and a mention of Juan ... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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my question is, is the B3 gonna be there? might actually make it worth going to, although i probably won't stick around for Oakenfold and Moby. i heard a radio advertisement, but no mention at all of any Detroit DJ. sad... these punkass promoters won't even mention their names. Mike From: Michael Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Moby Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 20:10:03 -0400 You know, it has been a long time since we have talked about Moby. What do you guys think about his music, is he good or a Corporate Whore? What about the Arena One Tour Sponsored by Best Buy? Is our culture being stolen from us? Disscuss... Also, What is going on with Carol Marvin? Take care, Mike Taylor - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I thaught ford was promoting area 1 Scott Laakso --- - Original Message - From: Michael Kim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:41 AM Subject: Re: [313] Moby my question is, is the B3 gonna be there? might actually make it worth going to, although i probably won't stick around for Oakenfold and Moby. i heard a radio advertisement, but no mention at all of any Detroit DJ. sad... these punkass promoters won't even mention their names. Mike From: Michael Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Moby Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 20:10:03 -0400 You know, it has been a long time since we have talked about Moby. What do you guys think about his music, is he good or a Corporate Whore? What about the Arena One Tour Sponsored by Best Buy? Is our culture being stolen from us? Disscuss... Also, What is going on with Carol Marvin? Take care, Mike Taylor - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] moby: All the Moby That's Fit to Print
I have an piece with Juan Atkins and Kevin Saunderson concerning the festival, white castle and commercialism on it's way for Selekta. Just gimme a minute...or a lot. diana --- Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/17/arts/17AREA.html?searchpv=nytToday All about Moby, and a mention of Juan ... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Moby
I saw the show last weekend in Camden, NJ and Ford was all over the Area 1 Tent. It was very similar to the white tent they had at DEMF. -Original Message- From: Scotto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 3:11 AM To: 313 Subject: Re: [313] Moby I thaught ford was promoting area 1 Scott Laakso --- - Original Message - From: Michael Kim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 1:41 AM Subject: Re: [313] Moby my question is, is the B3 gonna be there? might actually make it worth going to, although i probably won't stick around for Oakenfold and Moby. i heard a radio advertisement, but no mention at all of any Detroit DJ. sad... these punkass promoters won't even mention their names. Mike From: Michael Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Moby Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 20:10:03 -0400 You know, it has been a long time since we have talked about Moby. What do you guys think about his music, is he good or a Corporate Whore? What about the Arena One Tour Sponsored by Best Buy? Is our culture being stolen from us? Disscuss... Also, What is going on with Carol Marvin? Take care, Mike Taylor - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Moby
It looks like at the Minneapolis show only Kevin Saunderson is going to be on the bill. There seems to be little info on these lesser acts (read the sarcasm). Who will be there depends on where you live. MEK From: Michael Kim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Moby Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 05:41:43 + my question is, is the B3 gonna be there? might actually make it worth going to, although i probably won't stick around for Oakenfold and Moby. i heard a radio advertisement, but no mention at all of any Detroit DJ. sad... these punkass promoters won't even mention their names. Mike From: Michael Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Moby Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 20:10:03 -0400 You know, it has been a long time since we have talked about Moby. What do you guys think about his music, is he good or a Corporate Whore? What about the Arena One Tour Sponsored by Best Buy? Is our culture being stolen from us? Disscuss... Also, What is going on with Carol Marvin? Take care, Mike Taylor - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Moby vs. The Belleville 3
bloody hell.. New Order! I saw them play about 14 years ago, highlight of our high school years.. tofugirl Moby is going on a North American tour with an interesting list of friends: http://www.areafestival.com Click on schedules at the bottom right-hand corner for a complete schedule and lineup. Thoughts?
Re: [313] Moby vs. The Belleville 3
oh but I still think moby is 'the evil one'.. he can't sway me even with New Order. bloody hell.. New Order! I saw them play about 14 years ago, highlight of our high school years..
Re: [313] Moby vs. The Belleville 3
Yeah, even though I don't think to highly of Moby I don't think I could pass on New Order, the Orb, the Roots, Carl Cox, and Outkast. I remember New Order as one of the groups that turned me onto techno way back when they toured with Echo the Bunnymen and Gene Loves Jezebel. I didn't like them before but seeing and hearing them live blew my mind. I'm very curious to see how they are going to fit everyone in Midway Stadium[for the Minneapolis show] (that's where they have the bands play at the State Fair... stuff like the Oakridge Boys and the Dixie Chicks). The grounds of the stadium are a stock car race track. H. MTV2... My reason for putting together AREA:ONE is that there is a lot of music in the world that I love that does not always get the appropriate exposure - Moby That's interesting... most of these acts get loads of exposure! MEK From: tofugirl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Moby vs. The Belleville 3 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:05:28 +1000 bloody hell.. New Order! I saw them play about 14 years ago, highlight of our high school years.. tofugirl Moby is going on a North American tour with an interesting list of friends: http://www.areafestival.com Click on schedules at the bottom right-hand corner for a complete schedule and lineup. Thoughts? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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I find it slightly amusing that Focus is sponsoring this one too alongside MTV(2). Also with their own focus stage. Is there such as overkill with these darned cars? It'll be interesting to see who they chose as their local dj for the beginning. (speaking of the Detroit date) d --- tofugirl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bloody hell.. New Order! I saw them play about 14 years ago, highlight of our high school years.. tofugirl Moby is going on a North American tour with an interesting list of friends: http://www.areafestival.com Click on schedules at the bottom right-hand corner for a complete schedule and lineup. Thoughts? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/
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for those with email editorial pet peeves: is there such thing as overkill with these darned cars should be inserted and corrected. morning d --- diana potts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find it slightly amusing that Focus is sponsoring this one too alongside MTV(2). Also with their own focus stage. Is there such as overkill with these darned cars? It'll be interesting to see who they chose as their local dj for the beginning. (speaking of the Detroit date) d --- tofugirl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bloody hell.. New Order! I saw them play about 14 years ago, highlight of our high school years.. tofugirl Moby is going on a North American tour with an interesting list of friends: http://www.areafestival.com Click on schedules at the bottom right-hand corner for a complete schedule and lineup. Thoughts? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/
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actually, it's working... before that damned commercial, and all there sponsorships, I could care less about anything made by Ford (I like Audi), and I didn't even know what a Focus was. Now, ever since their little marriage with us, I kinda wanna get a silver one... darw_n... ... :i: explore. - Original Message - From: diana potts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [313] Moby vs. The Belleville 3 I find it slightly amusing that Focus is sponsoring this one too alongside MTV(2). Also with their own focus stage. Is there such as overkill with these darned cars? It'll be interesting to see who they chose as their local dj for the beginning. (speaking of the Detroit date) d --- tofugirl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bloody hell.. New Order! I saw them play about 14 years ago, highlight of our high school years.. tofugirl Moby is going on a North American tour with an interesting list of friends: http://www.areafestival.com Click on schedules at the bottom right-hand corner for a complete schedule and lineup. Thoughts? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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- Original Message - From: tofugirl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 2:09 AM Subject: Re: [313] Moby vs. The Belleville 3 oh but I still think moby is 'the evil one'.. he can't sway me even with New Order. bloody hell.. New Order! I saw them play about 14 years ago, highlight of our high school years.. About a month ago I looked into the new New Order album. Apparently a lot of it will be very raw and non-electronic (which is good!), but Paul Oakenfeld and The Chemical Bors. are also listed as collaborators. I'll be interested to hear the results. It's cool that the tour is happening, and Ford really is expanding their influence. There is a weekly of deep music as my friend Tobey puts it in D.C. now that's sponsored by Ford Focus. It would seem they're interested in supporting even small endeavors, b/c this is at a very small club. I also think it's pretty cool they're billed as The Innovators. Tristan -- http://ampcast.com/phonopsia - Music http://phonopsia.tripod.com - Mixes, pics, thought, travelogue info [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email FrogboyMCI - AOL Instant Messenger _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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Perhaps slight inelegance would be the perspective, cuz you know we' alls sum elegant mo' fo's ;) LG From: diana potts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: diana potts [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Moby vs. The Belleville 3 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 05:29:24 -0700 (PDT) for those with email editorial pet peeves: is there such thing as overkill with these darned cars should be inserted and corrected. morning d --- diana potts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find it slightly amusing that Focus is sponsoring this one too alongside MTV(2). Also with their own focus stage. Is there such as overkill with these darned cars? It'll be interesting to see who they chose as their local dj for the beginning. (speaking of the Detroit date) d --- tofugirl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bloody hell.. New Order! I saw them play about 14 years ago, highlight of our high school years.. tofugirl Moby is going on a North American tour with an interesting list of friends: http://www.areafestival.com Click on schedules at the bottom right-hand corner for a complete schedule and lineup. Thoughts? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] Moby is a Soul Sampler
Nuttin' dead bout someone rippin off and gainin' $$ off what we DO for a living From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: laura gavoor [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Moby is a Soul Sampler Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:49:30 -0500 (EST) An d as for Mute records, what black artists do they have?? Nuttin but the truth, nuttin but a dead horse, CE - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] , _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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An d as for Mute records, what black artists do they have?? Nuttin but the truth, nuttin but a dead horse, CE
Re: [313] Moby..is tekkno/electronica
Dot - dot - ditty, dot - dot - dash. Damned if I know. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( ) on 03/23/2001 10:59:47 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org cc: Subject: [313] Moby..is tekkno/electronica Anybody see his performance with Gil Scott and the Blue man group ..interesting He's always been on the more mainstream end of things and though as some have mentioned he has stand out tracks for the most part it seems he's never really took the dive in as it where , he just kinda dangles his toes in the techno pool Not that I'm into it , but I dont think even the punk rock community really is into his stuff as well.. ..blast from the past anybody remeber the KMS party with 808 state Moby? __ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Moby on Mute
Scott Laakso --- --- imajin/ imagine http://www.mp3.com/i_majin http://www.ampcast.com/imagine - Original Message - Most respected? By who? Moby's accountant? HMV retailers? A coterie of reviewers? come on mute is an awesome label is has to numerous of good bands to list. Can, wire, loop, plastikman, liabach, spk, cabert voiltare jist to name a few I can think of in a second! and I didnt even scratch the scratch on the surface. But I guess shifting a few more Moby units you know it's a big record company and they can carry big artist. not that I think mute thought go was going to be a mtv hit but I'm sure they are not mad about it. come on get off moby's back he's enjoying the stardom while it last and in the pop world that's not long! is there anything wrong with that or is it a case of indie rockers blues! that what happened to pavement when they became popular all the indie rocker snobs suddenly started to hate pavement. guess it's was there loss.
Re: [313] Moby on Mute
Don't forget Luke Slater's on Mute too. Most respected? By who? Moby's accountant? HMV retailers? A coterie of reviewers? come on mute is an awesome label is has to numerous of good bands to list. Can, wire, loop, plastikman, liabach, spk, cabert voiltare jist to name a few I can think of in a second! and I didnt even scratch the scratch on the surface.
Re: [313] Moby (sorry) - techno and blues
Ludovic Navarre, a.k.a. St. Germain From: Gwendal Cobert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: '313 mailing list' 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Moby (sorry) - techno and blues Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 15:19:05 +0100 Hi - I don't want to start a new thread about Moby - but sometimes ago, one of the list's subscribers said that other people had already mixed together old blues and gospel with techno - would you have some names ? Thanks in advance Gwendal - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] Moby (sorry) - techno and blues
Thomas brinkmann Soul center janos On Thursday 23 November 2000 15:29, laura gavoor wrote: Ludovic Navarre, a.k.a. St. Germain From: Gwendal Cobert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: '313 mailing list' 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Moby (sorry) - techno and blues Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 15:19:05 +0100 Hi - I don't want to start a new thread about Moby - but sometimes ago, one of the list's subscribers said that other people had already mixed together old blues and gospel with techno - would you have some names ? Thanks in advance Gwendal - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ __ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Moby (sorry) - techno and blues
I have it -Alabama Blues- on a FNAC Records comp entitled La Collection from the very early 90s From: Gwendal Cobert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'laura gavoor' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [313] Moby (sorry) - techno and blues Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 15:36:12 +0100 thanks - that was on Boulevard, right ? -Original Message- From: laura gavoor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 2:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Moby (sorry) - techno and blues Ludovic Navarre, a.k.a. St. Germain From: Gwendal Cobert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: '313 mailing list' 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Moby (sorry) - techno and blues Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 15:19:05 +0100 Hi - I don't want to start a new thread about Moby - but sometimes ago, one of the list's subscribers said that other people had already mixed together old blues and gospel with techno - would you have some names ? Thanks in advance Gwendal - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ ___ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
RE: [313] Moby (sorry) - techno and blues
It's also on the very recent compilation From Detroit to St. Germain Jurri -Original Message- From: laura gavoor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: donderdag 23 november 2000 15:47 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] Moby (sorry) - techno and blues I have it -Alabama Blues- on a FNAC Records comp entitled La Collection from the very early 90s From: Gwendal Cobert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'laura gavoor' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [313] Moby (sorry) - techno and blues Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 15:36:12 +0100 thanks - that was on Boulevard, right ? -Original Message- From: laura gavoor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 2:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Moby (sorry) - techno and blues Ludovic Navarre, a.k.a. St. Germain From: Gwendal Cobert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: '313 mailing list' 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Moby (sorry) - techno and blues Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 15:19:05 +0100 Hi - I don't want to start a new thread about Moby - but sometimes ago, one of the list's subscribers said that other people had already mixed together old blues and gospel with techno - would you have some names ? Thanks in advance Gwendal - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ ___ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Moby (sorry) - techno and blues
the soul center tracks are really well done - especially the soul center 2 series From: Janos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Moby (sorry) - techno and blues Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 15:37:28 +0100 Thomas brinkmann Soul center janos On Thursday 23 November 2000 15:29, laura gavoor wrote: Ludovic Navarre, a.k.a. St. Germain From: Gwendal Cobert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: '313 mailing list' 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Moby (sorry) - techno and blues Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 15:19:05 +0100 Hi - I don't want to start a new thread about Moby - but sometimes ago, one of the list's subscribers said that other people had already mixed together old blues and gospel with techno - would you have some names ? Thanks in advance Gwendal - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ __ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] Moby (sorry) - techno and blues
This track is also on the more recent compilation called 'From Detroit to St. Gemain' which contains most of the early FNAC releases that he did. todd - Original Message - From: laura gavoor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 2:46 PM Subject: RE: [313] Moby (sorry) - techno and blues I have it -Alabama Blues- on a FNAC Records comp entitled La Collection from the very early 90s From: Gwendal Cobert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'laura gavoor' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [313] Moby (sorry) - techno and blues Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 15:36:12 +0100 thanks - that was on Boulevard, right ? -Original Message- From: laura gavoor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 2:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Moby (sorry) - techno and blues Ludovic Navarre, a.k.a. St. Germain From: Gwendal Cobert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: '313 mailing list' 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Moby (sorry) - techno and blues Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 15:19:05 +0100 Hi - I don't want to start a new thread about Moby - but sometimes ago, one of the list's subscribers said that other people had already mixed together old blues and gospel with techno - would you have some names ? Thanks in advance Gwendal - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ ___ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Moby
oh sh*tno pleaseI try to get out but they keep pulling me back in! All I have to say is this (directly quoted from page 109 of the Oct 2nd Time magazine): A SOUL TO KEEP by Julie Rawe What's an eternal soul fetching these days? The one belonging to electronica artist MOBY went for a paltry $41 when it was auctioned last week on eBay by a former longtime friend. Indie-film director Paul Yates claims Moby has been selling out: all 18 songs on his platinum album, PLAY, have been licensed for use in commercials and TV shows ranging from Nissan ads to Dawson's Creek. Yates also alleges that Moby is trying to doctor his image: the musician is now distancing himself from Yates' upcoming comedy, PORNO, which includes a scene of Moby playing guitar with two sex toys strapped to his head. As executive producer, Moby no longer agrees with the film creatively, his manager says. And if the film never makes it to theaters, perhaps copies will pop up on eBay. Fred From: J. S. Landau [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Moby Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 16:12:42 -0400 Just thought this was an interesting piece of news I received about everyone's favorite artist. Courtesy of Sideline news. Moby phones home Mute succes Moby is to work together with John Williams, who composed the soundtracks for toppers as ET and its predecessor Close Encounters Of The Third Kind. Moby and John will be composing the music for a brand new computer game. The duo will also be writing the score for the cartoon Astro Knights, an animated series about aliens that live on the moon. Moby, 28, will also be writing a special dance-track for an Astro Knights character, the space pirate Bertha Budd. That dance-track will most probably be issued as a single. Moby meets the king of orchestral pop music. Should be wonderful, really. Josh Landau phase 10, the grind WCBN-FM 88.3 FM, Ann Arbor www.wcbn.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
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Fair enough ... I just put in my .02 about his age to counteract the doctoring of his image. see, I didn't even mention his name, er pseudonym ... whatever. -d (reaching for his revolver) :P *enough* about Moby, please. We laid this to rest in 1993 on ne-raves in the fabled Moby, go away thread, after he showed up on alt.rave to whinge at those who were annoyed with his mimicking actually playing drumpads during his shows of that era, when it was all on DAT. So, let Moby be Moby, and let's move on. phred - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
