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I was thinking... Detroit could capitalise on that Eminem song if they wanted to. Someone should do a techno answer record calling the shots on that Moby diss, which turns into a techno diss by default, clarifying that stuff, just knock it out, put it on the Internet, circulate some vinyls. A simple techno/electro record, catchy, with a rhyme. It would create a buzz and everybody would say, 'Hey, what's this underground techno thing?' Also people should send some CDs to Vibe, The Source, etc with a sticker "Detroit techno - too cool, too underground, for that muthaf*cker Eminem" or buy some pillows from the mall, some black silk pillow slips for them, tie a lovely CD like, say Stacey's Tomorrow, Derrick's Innovator, whatever, with a black ribbon and a red rose or something and attach a note, "If y'all gonna sleep on Detroit techno, do it in style." Bombard them with that stuff so they cannot ignore it. I think Mike Banks was onto something with the way he handled the Jaguar affair, basically creating all this press by subverting the media machine... You could take that further. I'm not sure it would work, but, there's some potential... -- >From: "Mike Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: [313] demf website >Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 5:06 PM > > It also helps that he is one of the hardest workers in Detroit. > > From my dealings with the people who have "made it" or whatever you want to > call it, the thing that separates all of them is that they work very hard. > Talent will only take you so far, it all comes down to how hard you work at > it. > > There are a lot of people who want to sit around, smoke dope, not return > phone calls and not work in the studio who think race is the reason they are > not blowing up. I do not care what color your skin is, your work ethic > determines where you end up. Hawtin sells more records than me for a reason, > he workers harder and smarter than I do. > > Where Kharris is coming from, and where I agree with her, it that his image > is much easier to market than say Juan Atkins. It is much easier for an A&R > or marketing exec to comprehend you and your weird science fiction music > when you are a skinny white dude who wears funny glasses and jump suits. The > larger music industry, in which Hawtin has an advantage, cannot comprehend > and sell an image of a middle aged black dude from Detroit making weird > electronic music from outer space. The only thing black they know how to > sell is rap music and sex jams, period. > > This is where race comes into it. Because of Hawtin's skin color, he can > play on stereotypes that black artists do not have access to. In the small > indie-dance scene, I do not think color is as big of an issue. In the larger > industry, where real money is made and where culture at large is > manufactured, black artists who do not play off of black stereotypes do not > get signed. Any good Detroit Techno artist is at odds with those racial > stereotypes in the US music industry, and therefore cannot get ahead. Black > people don't make sci-fi music, they make songs about sex, greed, and > violence(unless they are conscious brothers, and then they make typical > conscious brother music...) > > All of that being said, I think that if a lot of the black dudes who cry > race worked as hard and were as talented as Hawtin, they would be selling a > hell of a lot more records. The glass ceiling is definitely there, but most > dudes will never hit it because they do not have what it takes to get that > far. Juan is a perfect example of somebody who has hit that ceiling. Jeff > Mills has hit that ceiling. To avoid that ceiling Carl Craig is referencing > jazz and R&B. Race had nothing to do with why some people have not gotten as > far Mr. Mills, Mr. Craig, or Mr. Atkins. I do not care what color you are, > if you have talent and tenacity, you will get ahead in this business. > > Take care, > mt > >>From: FC3 Richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: "'neon tse tse'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>CC: "'313@hyperreal.org'" <313@hyperreal.org> >>Subject: RE: [313] demf website >>Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 22:21:19 -0700 >> >>i'll answer this one! >> >> >> > ability to market himself and his music FAR surpases anyone else >>in detroit. >> >> very interesting - >> >> how do you know that ? >> >> what are your facts, making you say this ? >> >>He is the only Detroit artist that I have seen lately that has had an ad in >>a magazine from Detroit lately. DJT-1000 had an ad for "The La
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Remember this about Urb: it reflects to a large and admirable degree the market it is in. As of the 2000 census, there are 10 million people in Los Angeles: 31% Caucasian non-Latino 10% African-American 12% Asian-American 45% Latino (white and other races) Raymond Roker, the publisher of Urb, may have his limitations, but he saw the future in LA and successfully developed Urb in that direction. Thus it has become musically and culturally a far broader magazine than almost anything else out there. What magazine in Detroit can say the same? I give some credit to Metro Times, but even they fall short in my humble outsider view. (so did my old long-forgotten paper, the Unicorn Times in DC, but let's not bring up *archeology* shall we!) What real coverage does MT really give to the Arab-American community not to mention other groups and areas outside central Detroit (it is "Metro" Times after all!). But I used to work for a paper like that so I know what kind of monetary limits they are dealing with. All the same, vision is reflected in what you put in print... Of course, along those lines, to be sure, Raymond does have a weakness for putting the Chemicals, Armand, Wink, etc. etc. on the covers. I see him as sort of the Jann Wenner of the 1990s in some ways (of course, Rolling Stone ain't what it used to be, and neither is Urb). You should *see* Rolling Stone from circa 1969-70. A real mindblower of a magazine. As was Urb in the early 1990s. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It also helps that he is one of the hardest workers in Detroit. From my dealings with the people who have "made it" or whatever you want to call it, the thing that separates all of them is that they work very hard. Talent will only take you so far, it all comes down to how hard you work at it. There are a lot of people who want to sit around, smoke dope, not return phone calls and not work in the studio who think race is the reason they are not blowing up. I do not care what color your skin is, your work ethic determines where you end up. Hawtin sells more records than me for a reason, he workers harder and smarter than I do. Where Kharris is coming from, and where I agree with her, it that his image is much easier to market than say Juan Atkins. It is much easier for an A&R or marketing exec to comprehend you and your weird science fiction music when you are a skinny white dude who wears funny glasses and jump suits. The larger music industry, in which Hawtin has an advantage, cannot comprehend and sell an image of a middle aged black dude from Detroit making weird electronic music from outer space. The only thing black they know how to sell is rap music and sex jams, period. This is where race comes into it. Because of Hawtin's skin color, he can play on stereotypes that black artists do not have access to. In the small indie-dance scene, I do not think color is as big of an issue. In the larger industry, where real money is made and where culture at large is manufactured, black artists who do not play off of black stereotypes do not get signed. Any good Detroit Techno artist is at odds with those racial stereotypes in the US music industry, and therefore cannot get ahead. Black people don't make sci-fi music, they make songs about sex, greed, and violence(unless they are conscious brothers, and then they make typical conscious brother music...) All of that being said, I think that if a lot of the black dudes who cry race worked as hard and were as talented as Hawtin, they would be selling a hell of a lot more records. The glass ceiling is definitely there, but most dudes will never hit it because they do not have what it takes to get that far. Juan is a perfect example of somebody who has hit that ceiling. Jeff Mills has hit that ceiling. To avoid that ceiling Carl Craig is referencing jazz and R&B. Race had nothing to do with why some people have not gotten as far Mr. Mills, Mr. Craig, or Mr. Atkins. I do not care what color you are, if you have talent and tenacity, you will get ahead in this business. Take care, mt From: FC3 Richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'neon tse tse'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: "'313@hyperreal.org'" <313@hyperreal.org> Subject: RE: [313] demf website Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 22:21:19 -0700 i'll answer this one! > ability to market himself and his music FAR surpases anyone else in detroit. very interesting - how do you know that ? what are your facts, making you say this ? He is the only Detroit artist that I have seen lately that has had an ad in a magazine from Detroit lately. DJT-1000 had an ad for "The Last DJ on Earth" CD, but it only took up a quarter of the page from top to bottom. Richie Hawting on the other hand has thrown his picture out and made it recognizable with full page ads, huge posters, and stickers handed out all over the place. He has made the m_nus symbol almost as recognizable as his face. there is no point in arguing it...he just knows how to market himself. he isn't ge greatest everbut he is damn good. Peace Jeff > -Original Message- > From: neon tse tse [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 5:02 PM > To:Jayson B.; 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [313] demf website > > am 30.04.2002 0:47 Uhr schrieb Jayson B. unter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > > ability to market himself and his music FAR surpases anyone else in > detroit. > > very interesting - > > how do you know that ? > > what are your facts, making you say this ? > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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sorry - have one work to this - rhyms with sucks and starts with boll - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 04:07 Subject: FW: Re: [313] demf website how do *you* know the reason why he is popular is because he's white? because we take the time to think/study the world at a level that goes beyond the superficial...because we look at the world with a critical eye..because we care enough about humanity to study/learn/understand concepts of institutional priviledge etc.. i have nothing against richie..he is a great artist..he however has also benefitted greatly from racial priveledge.._that_ is what has made him more accessible and _that_ is what has made him popular and _that_ is why his picture gets overplayed -k _ mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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i'll answer this one! > ability to market himself and his music FAR surpases anyone else in detroit. very interesting - how do you know that ? what are your facts, making you say this ? He is the only Detroit artist that I have seen lately that has had an ad in a magazine from Detroit lately. DJT-1000 had an ad for "The Last DJ on Earth" CD, but it only took up a quarter of the page from top to bottom. Richie Hawting on the other hand has thrown his picture out and made it recognizable with full page ads, huge posters, and stickers handed out all over the place. He has made the m_nus symbol almost as recognizable as his face. there is no point in arguing it...he just knows how to market himself. he isn't ge greatest everbut he is damn good. Peace Jeff > -Original Message- > From: neon tse tse [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 5:02 PM > To: Jayson B.; 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [313] demf website > > am 30.04.2002 0:47 Uhr schrieb Jayson B. unter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > > ability to market himself and his music FAR surpases anyone else in > detroit. > > very interesting - > > how do you know that ? > > what are your facts, making you say this ? > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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- the information in the pictures on the DEMF-page is currently transporting the same conclusion - and this is wrong information - this is what I was saying what makes this information wrong? what "facts" do you have to support that it is wrong? _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Actually- from issues 25-90, Urb featured minority artist (mostly black) on 33 out of 65 covers. That's over 50% you can see them at www.urb.com /click: back issues ironically, according the the US census burea, 75% of the population is white. and richie's only been on the cover once. On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, neon tse tse wrote: > > > how do *you* know the reason why he is popular is because he's white? > > > > No, he?s not popular, because of that - > > Mr Hawtin deserves some respect for his work, for sure > > But others do deserve the same respect - > > so we should take care that no one is KING of > > the tendency to lift Richie so high are in danger to create a king > > and if there?s a 5 to 6 difference on that page - that?s strange > > Why I think this way ? > > As I also work in the music-world I used to meet quite a few journalists > > ad musicians warning me in general like: "black people are difficult" - > > some were warning me that for example 4 hero are difficult, > > some people were saying theo parrish is difficult - > > meeting them in person resulted in some of the best talks > > I ever did have - learnt much, chatted much, laughed much, - > > But if this phenomenan "watch out - difficult" is also around in the US > > and I think it is, it does have a effect how black intelectual techno > > artists get placed the media - > > and this is just a little example of the media-game - > > Let?s say there?s this URB-magazine or so, maybe they sell better with > > a black artist on the cover, maybe with a white artist, maybe better > > with male or a female artist ? > > but if it does make a difference to their business, what do you think > > they will do ? -yes, they will take care that the better selling race/gender > > is selected - all those aspects (many many more) work on the popularity > > of artists - > > this is why *we* prefer to focus this > > because there is so much of this stuff working undercover > > I won?t deny that focusing can also bring problems - > > but this is the next level - we ain?t there by now > > out > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> how do *you* know the reason why he is popular is because he's white? > No, he´s not popular, because of that - Mr Hawtin deserves some respect for his work, for sure But others do deserve the same respect - so we should take care that no one is KING of the tendency to lift Richie so high are in danger to create a king and if there´s a 5 to 6 difference on that page - that´s strange Why I think this way ? As I also work in the music-world I used to meet quite a few journalists ad musicians warning me in general like: "black people are difficult" - some were warning me that for example 4 hero are difficult, some people were saying theo parrish is difficult - meeting them in person resulted in some of the best talks I ever did have - learnt much, chatted much, laughed much, - But if this phenomenan "watch out - difficult" is also around in the US and I think it is, it does have a effect how black intelectual techno artists get placed the media - and this is just a little example of the media-game - Let´s say there´s this URB-magazine or so, maybe they sell better with a black artist on the cover, maybe with a white artist, maybe better with male or a female artist ? but if it does make a difference to their business, what do you think they will do ? -yes, they will take care that the better selling race/gender is selected - all those aspects (many many more) work on the popularity of artists - this is why *we* prefer to focus this because there is so much of this stuff working undercover I won´t deny that focusing can also bring problems - but this is the next level - we ain´t there by now out - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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how do *you* know the reason why he is popular is because he's white? because we take the time to think/study the world at a level that goes beyond the superficial...because we look at the world with a critical eye..because we care enough about humanity to study/learn/understand concepts of institutional priviledge etc.. i have nothing against richie..he is a great artist..he however has also benefitted greatly from racial priveledge.._that_ is what has made him more accessible and _that_ is what has made him popular and _that_ is why his picture gets overplayed -k _ mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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am 30.04.2002 0:47 Uhr schrieb Jayson B. unter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > ability to market himself and his music FAR surpases anyone else in detroit. very interesting - how do you know that ? what are your facts, making you say this ? why is it that when someone asks you a question, that you keep answering it with the similiar question? Actual Facts? don't have too many. But the whole plastikman concept, the way richie markets his cd's and his persona, and the style that he plays, is just flat out more marketable than the way CC or D may or any of them. Richie markets a style that goes along with his music, that goes beyond just the music. And that style simply is more accepted than the styles of other artists. how do *you* know the reason why he is popular is because he's white? _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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am 30.04.2002 0:47 Uhr schrieb Jayson B. unter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > ability to market himself and his music FAR surpases anyone else in detroit. very interesting - how do you know that ? what are your facts, making you say this ? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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why is he the most popular dj on the world ? > --someone wrote: > > because he is the most popular techno dj in the world. > > --someone wrote: > >> so again we need to enter the question: >> >> why is he on so many photos ? >> >> >>> >>> 5 out of the 6 pics of dj's on the website are of richie whitewashing at it's finest *angry beyond measure* >>> >>> >>> if it was 5 different white artists, then maybe i can understand. But > if >>> all five are of Richie, then i don't think this is whitewashing in the >>> SLIGHTEST. Say what you want, but richie is a far more popular and well >>> recognized artist (please, don't just say because he's white), and most >>> likely *that* is why so many of those pictures are of him. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _ >>> Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com >>> >>> >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yes, Richie Hatwin is a serious good artist, but why is he the "far more popular" one ? because he's far more accessable, along with his music. because his ability to market himself and his music FAR surpases anyone else in detroit. That point in itself is extremely difficult to dispute. because he´s "the best" ? do you believe in "the best" ? well, yeah, i kinda do ;-) is it possible he´s "far more popular", because he also is on so many photos, jpgs, maybe ? possible? yeah. and monkey's might fly out of my butt. so again we need to enter the question: why is he on so many photos ? we don't really need to ask it again, because i still don't think its the reason for his popularity (and i also don't think its because he's a white boy). Getting pictures in magazines a superb dj/producer does not make. _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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oh- i COMPLETELY agree that there should be other artists photos on the site. i found it thoroughly pathetic that PCM used photos of artist who have publicly dismissed them (Hawtin and May) but i sensed this thread going into another black/white debate, which i don't think anyone is in the mood for right now. so i felt it pertinent to present other reasons why Hawtin is Hawtin :) On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, neon tse tse wrote: > that?s all fine with me, > > though I couldn?t flip as you do bout certain "coca cola"-aspects - > > still the question was: "why is he the MORE popular" ? > > many of the things you mentioned would fit > > to many different individual Detroit artists - > > the way you pronounced it also gives me the impression > > as if you think Mr Hawtin is the one doing it "better" - > > don?t want to go on with this - > > and no question: respect for Mr Hawtins work > > but I would prefer to see some more people (from Detroit) > > representing on the pictures too - > > (imagining about a million young people visiting the page) > > out > > m > planetz2002 > > > > > > > 1. Richie Hawtin is more popular because he's a marketing genius. > > > > 2. The Plastikman logo is an icon. Just like Coca-Cola logo. > > > > 3. He ran an extremely successful recordlabel (+8) that didn't limit > > itself to strictly Detroit, therefore it had more sucess outside of Detroit. > > > > 4. Spaztik is perhaps the most versitile track of all-time. It works with > > house, techno, booty... Everyone plays it, everyone loves it. > > > > 5. Even today, Rich aligns himself with exciting new technologies that are > > not only cutting edge, but great for filling column inches in magazines. > > > > 6. Plus, he is definately in the top 10 DJ/producers in the world when it > > comes to quality records and amazing sets. > > > > But since quality in music is more or les subjective and I have no desire > > to argue with anyone who believes that Richie is not a good artist, please > > refer back to points 1-5 to answer the question 'why is hawtin more > > popular?' > > > > > > > > On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, neon tse tse wrote: > > > >> Yes, Richie Hatwin is a serious good artist, > >> > >> but why is he the "far more popular" one ? > >> > >> because he?s "the best" ? > >> > >> do you believe in "the best" ? > >> > >> is it possible he?s "far more popular", > >> > >> because he also is on so many photos, jpgs, maybe ? > >> > >> so again we need to enter the question: > >> > >> why is he on so many photos ? > >> > >> > >>> > >>> > 5 out of the 6 pics of dj's on the website are of richie > > > whitewashing at it's finest > > > *angry beyond measure* > >>> > >>> > >>> if it was 5 different white artists, then maybe i can understand. But if > >>> all five are of Richie, then i don't think this is whitewashing in the > >>> SLIGHTEST. Say what you want, but richie is a far more popular and well > >>> recognized artist (please, don't just say because he's white), and most > >>> likely *that* is why so many of those pictures are of him. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _ > >>> Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > >>> > >>> > >>> - > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> > >> > >> > >> - > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> > > > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yeah, why didn't PCM just ask for some promotional photos of some of the
artists slated to play this year? They or their respective booking agencies
should have some photos of them in action. What more, wouldn't Richie have
a case against PCM for using his image when he doesn't endorse them or this
year's DEMF?
MEK
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that´s all fine with me,
though I couldn´t flip as you do bout certain "coca cola"-aspects -
still the question was: "why is he the MORE popular" ?
many of the things you mentioned would fit
to many different individual Detroit artists -
the way you pronounced it also gives me the impression
as if you think Mr Hawtin is the one doing it "better" -
don´t want to go on with this -
and no question: respect for Mr Hawtins work
but I would prefer to see some more people (from Detroit)
representing on the pictures too -
(imagining about a million young people visiting the page)
out
m
planetz2002
> 1. Richie Hawtin is more popular because he's a marketing genius.
>
> 2. The Plastikman logo is an icon. Just like Coca-Cola logo.
>
> 3. He ran an extremely successful recordlabel (+8) that didn't limit
> itself to strictly Detroit, therefore it had more sucess outside of
Detroit.
>
> 4. Spaztik is perhaps the most versitile track of all-time. It works with
> house, techno, booty... Everyone plays it, everyone loves it.
>
> 5. Even today, Rich aligns himself with exciting new technologies that
are
> not only cutting edge, but great for filling column inches in magazines.
>
> 6. Plus, he is definately in the top 10 DJ/producers in the world when it
> comes to quality records and amazing sets.
>
> But since quality in music is more or les subjective and I have no desire
> to argue with anyone who believes that Richie is not a good artist,
please
> refer back to points 1-5 to answer the question 'why is hawtin more
> popular?'
>
>
>
> On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, neon tse tse wrote:
>
>> Yes, Richie Hatwin is a serious good artist,
>>
>> but why is he the "far more popular" one ?
>>
>> because he´s "the best" ?
>>
>> do you believe in "the best" ?
>>
>> is it possible he´s "far more popular",
>>
>> because he also is on so many photos, jpgs, maybe ?
>>
>> so again we need to enter the question:
>>
>> why is he on so many photos ?
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> 5 out of the 6 pics of dj's on the website are of richie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> whitewashing at it's finest
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *angry beyond measure*
>>>
>>>
>>> if it was 5 different white artists, then maybe i can understand. But
if
>>> all five are of Richie, then i don't think this is whitewashing in the
>>> SLIGHTEST. Say what you want, but richie is a far more popular and
well
>>> recognized artist (please, don't just say because he's white), and most
>>> likely *that* is why so many of those pictures are of him.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [313] demf website
that´s all fine with me, though I couldn´t flip as you do bout certain "coca cola"-aspects - still the question was: "why is he the MORE popular" ? many of the things you mentioned would fit to many different individual Detroit artists - the way you pronounced it also gives me the impression as if you think Mr Hawtin is the one doing it "better" - don´t want to go on with this - and no question: respect for Mr Hawtins work but I would prefer to see some more people (from Detroit) representing on the pictures too - (imagining about a million young people visiting the page) out m planetz2002 > 1. Richie Hawtin is more popular because he's a marketing genius. > > 2. The Plastikman logo is an icon. Just like Coca-Cola logo. > > 3. He ran an extremely successful recordlabel (+8) that didn't limit > itself to strictly Detroit, therefore it had more sucess outside of Detroit. > > 4. Spaztik is perhaps the most versitile track of all-time. It works with > house, techno, booty... Everyone plays it, everyone loves it. > > 5. Even today, Rich aligns himself with exciting new technologies that are > not only cutting edge, but great for filling column inches in magazines. > > 6. Plus, he is definately in the top 10 DJ/producers in the world when it > comes to quality records and amazing sets. > > But since quality in music is more or les subjective and I have no desire > to argue with anyone who believes that Richie is not a good artist, please > refer back to points 1-5 to answer the question 'why is hawtin more > popular?' > > > > On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, neon tse tse wrote: > >> Yes, Richie Hatwin is a serious good artist, >> >> but why is he the "far more popular" one ? >> >> because he´s "the best" ? >> >> do you believe in "the best" ? >> >> is it possible he´s "far more popular", >> >> because he also is on so many photos, jpgs, maybe ? >> >> so again we need to enter the question: >> >> why is he on so many photos ? >> >> >>> >>> 5 out of the 6 pics of dj's on the website are of richie whitewashing at it's finest *angry beyond measure* >>> >>> >>> if it was 5 different white artists, then maybe i can understand. But if >>> all five are of Richie, then i don't think this is whitewashing in the >>> SLIGHTEST. Say what you want, but richie is a far more popular and well >>> recognized artist (please, don't just say because he's white), and most >>> likely *that* is why so many of those pictures are of him. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _ >>> Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com >>> >>> >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >> >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] demf website
1. Richie Hawtin is more popular because he's a marketing genius. 2. The Plastikman logo is an icon. Just like Coca-Cola logo. 3. He ran an extremely successful recordlabel (+8) that didn't limit itself to strictly Detroit, therefore it had more sucess outside of Detroit. 4. Spaztik is perhaps the most versitile track of all-time. It works with house, techno, booty... Everyone plays it, everyone loves it. 5. Even today, Rich aligns himself with exciting new technologies that are not only cutting edge, but great for filling column inches in magazines. 6. Plus, he is definately in the top 10 DJ/producers in the world when it comes to quality records and amazing sets. But since quality in music is more or les subjective and I have no desire to argue with anyone who believes that Richie is not a good artist, please refer back to points 1-5 to answer the question 'why is hawtin more popular?' On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, neon tse tse wrote: > Yes, Richie Hatwin is a serious good artist, > > but why is he the "far more popular" one ? > > because he?s "the best" ? > > do you believe in "the best" ? > > is it possible he?s "far more popular", > > because he also is on so many photos, jpgs, maybe ? > > so again we need to enter the question: > > why is he on so many photos ? > > > > > > > >> 5 out of the 6 pics of dj's on the website are of richie > >> > >> > >> whitewashing at it's finest > >> > >> > >> *angry beyond measure* > > > > > > if it was 5 different white artists, then maybe i can understand. But if > > all five are of Richie, then i don't think this is whitewashing in the > > SLIGHTEST. Say what you want, but richie is a far more popular and well > > recognized artist (please, don't just say because he's white), and most > > likely *that* is why so many of those pictures are of him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _ > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] demf website
Yes, Richie Hatwin is a serious good artist, but why is he the "far more popular" one ? because he´s "the best" ? do you believe in "the best" ? is it possible he´s "far more popular", because he also is on so many photos, jpgs, maybe ? so again we need to enter the question: why is he on so many photos ? > > >> 5 out of the 6 pics of dj's on the website are of richie >> >> >> whitewashing at it's finest >> >> >> *angry beyond measure* > > > if it was 5 different white artists, then maybe i can understand. But if > all five are of Richie, then i don't think this is whitewashing in the > SLIGHTEST. Say what you want, but richie is a far more popular and well > recognized artist (please, don't just say because he's white), and most > likely *that* is why so many of those pictures are of him. > > > > > > > _ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] demf website
5 out of the 6 pics of dj's on the website are of richie whitewashing at it's finest *angry beyond measure* if it was 5 different white artists, then maybe i can understand. But if all five are of Richie, then i don't think this is whitewashing in the SLIGHTEST. Say what you want, but richie is a far more popular and well recognized artist (please, don't just say because he's white), and most likely *that* is why so many of those pictures are of him. _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] demf website
beyond whitewashing, hawtin was the first artist to publicly chastise PCM after carl craig's firing. yet they continue to trade on his image. talk about a lack of self-respect on PCM's part. On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > 5 out of the 6 pics of dj's on the website are of richie > > > whitewashing at it's finest > > > *angry beyond measure* > > -k > > > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] demf website
now now ... it seems obvious to me that they had pictures left from last year. I'm assuming Derrick asked to have his pictures taken down. I don't think there's a conspiracy amid the JPEGs. ;) -d At 1:42 PM -0400 4/29/2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 5 out of the 6 pics of dj's on the website are of richie whitewashing at it's finest *angry beyond measure* -k mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] demf website
yeah, the mirror-image for the middleclass ... oops I did it again > > 5 out of the 6 pics of dj's on the website are of richie > > > whitewashing at it's finest > > > *angry beyond measure* > > -k > > > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] demf website
The correct URL for the fOCUS://DEMF site is indeed: http://www.electronicmusicfest.com The site has been down the last few days, and we're currently working on bringing it back up. Cheers, Bill "Jongsma, K.J." wrote: > > It seems to be down the last couple of days... > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > www.electronicmusicfest.com > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > > > > > >From: DJ HEAT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: DETROIT <313@hyperreal.org> > > >Subject: [313] demf website > > >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 05:49:59 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >can anyone help me find the demf website? www.demf.org > > >is not working is this the right site? > > > > > >__ > > >Do You Yahoo!? > > >Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > > >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > >- > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > _ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] demf website
mMmmm, not workin either.. 154
RE: [313] demf website
It seems to be down the last couple of days... [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.electronicmusicfest.com > > > Cheers! > > > > >From: DJ HEAT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: DETROIT <313@hyperreal.org> > >Subject: [313] demf website > >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 05:49:59 -0700 (PDT) > > > >can anyone help me find the demf website? www.demf.org > >is not working is this the right site? > > > >__ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > >- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] demf website
www.electronicmusicfest.com Cheers! From: DJ HEAT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: DETROIT <313@hyperreal.org> Subject: [313] demf website Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 05:49:59 -0700 (PDT) can anyone help me find the demf website? www.demf.org is not working is this the right site? __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] DEMF Website?
Dave Barnett wrote: > who is responsible for the DMEF web site?, i would like to know detailed > information about who was at this years event, plenty of photos of the > 'large' crowd that attended I can't seem to get through to the DEMF site itself, both demf.net and demf.org appear to be down. There were a bunch of articles (some with photos) written, here's what the Freep wrote: http://www.freep.com/entertainment/music/efest30_2530.htm Sonicnet.com wrote 8 articles of which I don't have the direct URLs, but if you search for 'detroit' in their music archives section, they'll show up. And there's of course the TechnoTourist report :) http://technotourist.org/demf.html > (links to the audio and video files at > groovetech of course) and i know it is very early to say - who might be at > next year's event, information on getting to and around Detroit, where to > stay, what to see, what record shops to visit, where to guest dj I'm working on it, I'll post something to the list in a few weeks for comments. Hmmm, the TechnoTourist Guide to Detroit? Lonely Planet watch out! :) > (i know some Adelaide (South Australia) people are interested > in going to it next year). Yep, quite a few 313-members that I met on my holiday there were seriously thinking about it and let's face it: after last year, how can you afford to miss next year's edition? Might be a nice competition to see if there will be more Ozzies or Dutchies :) Anyway, this gives me an opportunity to give big thanks to the 313.au massive for going out of their way to provide hospitality, parties (great house scene in Perth!), radio show appearances or simply all-around friendliness: Askew, Cyclone, 3jane, tan, Jason M., Scott Nexus, Benn, Patrick HAF, james bond, Emma, Chris, Bo, Tim, Kate, Nicole, A_Zed, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jason B. (all three of them), Dave Clark, Josh Dissonance and my apologies to those I forgot, it's not on purpose. Cheers, Otto
