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Castle Morton. I remember a group of us getting thrown out of The Eclipse in Coventry (no-one turned up, so they shut early), and everyone heading down there. Strangest night I think I ever had. I seem to remember the MC at one sound system shout Die mugger, Die mugger, f*** off and die mugger, after some girl had been mugged near one of the sound system. Bomb Scare by 2 Bad Mice and Rabbit City 1 and 3... must have been played about 10 each times at least. :) Dscaper -- Aeonflux Radio - http://www.aeonflux.co.uk A man who know's what he knows, and knows what he doesn't know, is the sign of a man who knows. -Original Message- From: spw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 January 2003 22:49 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Exploring Drum and Bass I remember seeing Danny breakz Dan Donnelly and some other acts from Suburban Base label along with a MC perform a live P.A. They had this strange arm and leg motion dance which is hard to describe. Hardcore Will Never Die Also remember those Spiral Tribe raves in the U.K? Thousands of people camping out raving to hardcore in the English countryside. on 1/16/03 2:47 PM, Recoil at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a brilliant tape called Dark Intelligence by a local NYC DJ from that era...I remember liking it cool! do you remember the DJ's name? not a whole lot of stateside DJs were playing darkside hardcore in America back in 92/93, as far as i know where i live in Toronto, we were lucky to have some DJs playing really good obscure hardcore jungle, that they were getting shipped over from London Recoil live on InterFACE - Astral Physics -- every Tuesday 7-9 pm est, Toronto - http://www.pirate-radio.co.uk msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq: 98984143 :) = Adonis vrs. Panansonic (Vakio Blast First) http://pages.prodigy.net/stevepwats/adonis-panasonic.mp3
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Castle Morton. I remember a group of us getting thrown out of The Eclipse in Coventry (no-one turned up, so they shut early), and everyone heading down there. Man, some of the Spiral and other traveller Parties back then were a bit hit and miss, but Castle Morton was certainly an experience. Just thinking about it brings back all sorts of memories. What was the name of the Spiral MC who used to MC with EasyGroove? He used to just make up make up dark and cheeky little rhymes all the time. The whole Spiral Crowd crowd had a certain dark sense of humour that really appealed to me around that time, but I started scratching beneath the surface and getting too deeply into it all and found it was all a bit too much for me. It took me over a year to get my head straight from one eventful Spiral party. Doing Liquid Ketamin as a 17 year old in a caravan full of hardcore Spiral boys preaching the significance of the number 23 and why I should embrace my paranoia wasn't the best idea I ever had! Strangest night I think I ever had. I seem to remember the MC at one sound system shout Die mugger, Die mugger, f*** off and die mugger, after some girl had been mugged near one of the sound system. That sort of sh*t happened all the time. Worst thing I ever saw was a bunch of Travellers dragging a guy along the ground that they had tied up and heavily spiked for ripping people off, whilst about 3 small kids spat and kicked him. Crazy people, crazy parties. Stewart __ Freeserve AnyTime - Go online whenever you want for just £6.99 a month for your first 3 months, that's HALF PRICE! And then it's just £13.99 a month after that. For more information visit http://www.freeserve.com/time/ or call free on 0800 970 8890
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The Mighty Juan was involved with a track on JOS's LP wasn't he? He also got Wax Doctor and Alex Reece to remix I Wanna Be There and The Flow. -Original Message- From: spw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 1:30 AM To: spw; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Exploring Drum and Bass Yeah you really hear Detroits influence on projects like Jacob's Optical Stairway, and Inner City Life. Regarding Fred's comments. In 1992 break beat hardcore (pre- drum n' bass) was huge with the American rave scene (especially on the West Coast) with groups like the Prodigy enjoying much success, (remember The Movement from L.A?) there would be a resurgence in the sound with drum n bass around the mid 90's. Back in the early 90's break beat tracks like Charley were actually called jungle. I remember buying early UK break beat like The Scientist The Bee as far back as 1990 although I never really followed the sound with exceptions like Alter 8 Frequency and the ocassional technoid break beat track like Blapps Posse and the ones by Micky Finn. When progressive house started to dominate the American scene around 1993 thats when I started to see a disassociation with the old Detroit techno, Chicago house sound which was influential on late 80's early 90's techno. This is one of the main reasons techno is so unpopular in the US today. = Adonis vrs. Panansonic (Vakio Blast First) http://pages.prodigy.net/stevepwats/adonis-panasonic.mp3 Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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it came out in 97...the mixes were sold in music stores, not with the magazine as far as I know...The company that distributed them was DMC which is the same company that distributes the United DJ's of America collection... peace jeff -Original Message- From: Recoil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 4:39 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Exploring Drum and Bass I just picked up the Mixmag Live CD that featured LTJ Bukem, which if you ask me, is the Best DB mix I have ever heard. what year did this come out? I assume it was only avail. with the magazine? If anyone wanted to put it online somewhere I wouldn't mind (as it is probably promotional use only and no longer commercially available / for sale?) :P i dont have that mix, but if you like i can send you an mp3 of some other Bukem stuff that is probably just as good, or better let me know if you want em ez Liam Recoil live on InterFACE - Astral Physics -- every Tuesday 7-9 pm est, Toronto - http://www.pirate-radio.co.uk msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq: 98984143 :) _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
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Yeah you really hear Detroits influence on projects like Jacob's Optical Stairway, and Inner City Life. Regarding Fred's comments. In 1992 break beat hardcore (pre- drum n' bass) was huge with the American rave scene (especially on the West Coast) with groups like the Prodigy enjoying much success, (remember The Movement from L.A?) there would be a resurgence in the sound with drum n bass around the mid 90's. Back in the early 90's break beat tracks like Charley were actually called jungle. I remember buying early UK break beat like The Scientist The Bee as far back as 1990 although I never really followed the sound with exceptions like Alter 8 Frequency and the ocassional technoid break beat track like Blapps Posse and the ones by Micky Finn. When progressive house started to dominate the American scene around 1993 thats when I started to see a disassociation with the old Detroit techno, Chicago house sound which was influential on late 80's early 90's techno. This is one of the main reasons techno is so unpopular in the US today. = Adonis vrs. Panansonic (Vakio Blast First) http://pages.prodigy.net/stevepwats/adonis-panasonic.mp3
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-Original Message- From: spw [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 1:30 AM To: spw; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Exploring Drum and Bass Yeah you really hear Detroits influence on projects like Jacob's Optical Stairway, and Inner City Life.Also A Guy called Geralds Black Secret Technology has clear influences and refererance techno ...and on the Bukem Jounrey Inwards artwork there a picure of Bukem w Juan Atkins in his metroplex t shirt and the track Feel What You Feel has a very 313 feel to it
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Jungle (not drum and bass) first showed up in San Francisco in the late spring of 1994. Jesus, I wish we could have avoided it for that long over here. Still never mind, it's gone now, all of them make garage instead Funny how all the hardcore producers I ever knew went from sampling kiddies records and speeding them up so they sounded ridiculous, to instant credibility by making 'jungle'.(which of course was the product of creative thinking by 2 or 3 individuals, readily copied by all). It's weird, lots of kids I know and used to know are so called big names on this scene. I remember what they were into at school, and it wasn't music, that's for sure. Now they're all into making garage and drinking Cristal Before everybody shouts, I know there's a few obvious exceptions to this, but believe me, not many. I never understood foreigners love of 'jungle'. F***ing whack s**t made by talentless individuals who's f**king mam and dad bought them a sampler for their 17th birthday, either that or they'd sold enough e's to get one, or sold their souped-up XR3i when they realised you could make a few quid out of sampling the magic frigging roundabout. Anyway, I guess the grass is always greener etc.. Rant over, morning all. Nice day innit? _ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer.
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but exactly the same could be said for techno with except the Cristal may be swapped for Cocaine. There has been plenty of dire 'techno' records in the UK top 40theres crap music in all categories esp when it becomes 'fashionable' or get some media attention. Once the media dies of we one who are true to the scene sticking around the the other moving onto the next fad. eg, some the Asian Underground sounds were quite creative iniailly, then it was the 'Indian Summer' when all things asian were seen as cool and a sh1tty breakbeat with a sitar and tabla sample were considered UK asain muisic. Im getting mile OT here... Rav -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 9:57 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Exploring Drum and Bass Jungle (not drum and bass) first showed up in San Francisco in the late spring of 1994. Jesus, I wish we could have avoided it for that long over here. Still never mind, it's gone now, all of them make garage instead Funny how all the hardcore producers I ever knew went from sampling kiddies records and speeding them up so they sounded ridiculous, to instant credibility by making 'jungle'.(which of course was the product of creative thinking by 2 or 3 individuals, readily copied by all). It's weird, lots of kids I know and used to know are so called big names on this scene. I remember what they were into at school, and it wasn't music, that's for sure. Now they're all into making garage and drinking Cristal Before everybody shouts, I know there's a few obvious exceptions to this, but believe me, not many. I never understood foreigners love of 'jungle'. F***ing whack s**t made by talentless individuals who's f**king mam and dad bought them a sampler for their 17th birthday, either that or they'd sold enough e's to get one, or sold their souped-up XR3i when they realised you could make a few quid out of sampling the magic frigging roundabout. Anyway, I guess the grass is always greener etc.. Rant over, morning all. Nice day innit? _ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer.
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True, true. I guess it just gets me going though! Bit of a rant in the morning is good for you! Mann, Ravinder [CCS] To: Alex Bond/UK/INF/[EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: k Subject: RE: (313) Exploring Drum and Bass 17/01/2003 10:15 but exactly the same could be said for techno with except the Cristal may be swapped for Cocaine. There has been plenty of dire 'techno' records in the UK top 40theres crap music in all categories esp when it becomes 'fashionable' or get some media attention. Once the media dies of we one who are true to the scene sticking around the the other moving onto the next fad. eg, some the Asian Underground sounds were quite creative iniailly, then it was the 'Indian Summer' when all things asian were seen as cool and a sh1tty breakbeat with a sitar and tabla sample were considered UK asain muisic. Im getting mile OT here... Rav -Original Message- From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:Friday, January 17, 2003 9:57 AM To:313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Exploring Drum and Bass Jungle (not drum and bass) first showed up in San Francisco in the late spring of 1994. Jesus, I wish we could have avoided it for that long over here. Still never mind, it's gone now, all of them make garage instead Funny how all the hardcore producers I ever knew went from sampling kiddies records and speeding them up so they sounded ridiculous, to instant credibility by making 'jungle'.(which of course was the product of creative thinking by 2 or 3 individuals, readily copied by all). It's weird, lots of kids I know and used to know are so called big names on this scene. I remember what they were into at school, and it wasn't music, that's for sure. Now they're all into making garage and drinking Cristal Before everybody shouts, I know there's a few obvious exceptions to this, but believe me, not many. I never understood foreigners love of 'jungle'. F***ing whack s**t made by talentless individuals who's f**king mam and dad bought them a sampler for their 17th birthday, either that or they'd sold enough e's to get one, or sold their souped-up XR3i when they realised you could make a few quid out of sampling the magic frigging roundabout. Anyway, I guess the grass is always greener etc.. Rant over, morning all. Nice day innit? _ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. _ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer.
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Alex Bond: F***ing whack s**t ha ha probably yeah made by talentless individuals most of them who's f**king mam and dad bought them a sampler for their 17th birthday, either that or they'd sold enough e's to get one, or sold their souped-up XR3i when they realised you could make a few quid out of sampling the magic frigging roundabout. don't see anything wrong with how they got their gear...how else are people supposed to start? not everyone has contacts with studios or can get free studio time. if one or two of them go onto make something really good, everyones a winner - even if they leave a trail of cristal sipping marketeers in their wake. This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you.
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Alex Bond: F***ing whack s**t ha ha probably yeah made by talentless individuals most of them who's f**king mam and dad bought them a sampler for their 17th birthday, either that or they'd sold enough e's to get one, or sold their souped-up XR3i when they realised you could make a few quid out of sampling the magic frigging roundabout. don't see anything wrong with how they got their gear...how else are people supposed to start? not everyone has contacts with studios or can get free studio time. if one or two of them go on to make something really good, everyones a winner - even if they leave a trail of cristal sipping marketeers in their wake. This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you.
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-- Original Message -- From: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] It ain't dnb but I urge you to check out Bukem's Earth 4 compilation (I hear the other 4 are good too) on Good Looking. There's a couple of gorgeous, almost Latin John Beltran tracks on it (Aztec Girl and Seven Miles High) and some great tracks by Makoto and Artemis - it all ranges from downbeat jazzy beats to some amazing house cuts - it's a bit of a change in direction for Bukem, though it's just his label rather than his tunes - but hardly surprising given its jazzy bent and quality production. yeah, that earth is particularly good. i play the house tunes from it pretty frequently. the older earths are more drum and bass and downtempo oriented, and earth 5 is pretty hiphop/breakbeat oriented, but still pretty fun overall. tom andythepooh.com
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On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, at 07:16 PM, FC2 Richards wrote: I just picked up the Mixmag Live CD that featured LTJ Bukem, which if you ask me, is the Best DB mix I have ever heard. i think i would agree with that. although the grooverider prototype years mix cd comes a close second. that's the most 'techno' dnb mix i've ever heard.. the mixes on it are just sick. - garrett
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Here's a set I played in Omaha earlier this month that moves from techno to drum and bass: http://www.atomly.com/music/atomly_-_live_in_omaha_20030102.mp3 -- :: atomly :: [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] : www.atomly.com ... [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 877.741.3571 ... [ send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] info and updates ...
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fux you, come to our place. we moved to efnet. we miss you adam, I want to have your baby online. -Joe - Original Message - From: atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:16 PM Subject: Re: (313) Exploring Drum and Bass Here's a set I played in Omaha earlier this month that moves from techno to drum and bass: http://www.atomly.com/music/atomly_-_live_in_omaha_20030102.mp3 -- :: atomly :: [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] : www.atomly.com ... [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 877.741.3571 ... [ send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] info and updates ...
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oops, not meant for the list :) -Joe - Original Message - From: ::) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:21 PM Subject: Re: (313) Exploring Drum and Bass fux you, come to our place. we moved to efnet. we miss you adam, I want to have your baby online. -Joe - Original Message - From: atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:16 PM Subject: Re: (313) Exploring Drum and Bass Here's a set I played in Omaha earlier this month that moves from techno to drum and bass: http://www.atomly.com/music/atomly_-_live_in_omaha_20030102.mp3 -- :: atomly :: [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] : www.atomly.com ... [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 877.741.3571 ... [ send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] info and updates ...
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On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, at 07:16 PM, FC2 Richards wrote: I just picked up the Mixmag Live CD that featured LTJ Bukem, which if you ask me, is the Best DB mix I have ever heard. i don't know what his new stuff is like, but I've heard some Bukem sets from 93/94 that are amazing! he played nice atmospheric hardcore jungle - dark and ruff with this spaced out glacial feel to it - my favorite also I recommend LTJ Bukem with Conrad live @ Kings of the Jungle- around late 94/early 95 - one of the best atmospheric DB sets I've ever heard Liam Recoil live on InterFACE - Astral Physics -- every Tuesday 7-9 pm est, Toronto - http://www.pirate-radio.co.uk msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq: 98984143 :) _ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
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There's 2 more dnb mix cd's that I _really_ like: Kemistry (r.i.p.) Storm - DJ Kicks http://www.k7.com/data.pl?release=k7074 Jumpin' Jack Frost - Fine Tuning Vol 1 (J Majik's The Lizard is in this mix. Great tune.) http://www.epitonic.com/artists/jumpinjackfrost.html http://www.dunerecordings.com/ JJF has been around for ages, and he co-runs V Recordings. Check out their releases. Anya -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 3:09 AM To: FC2 Richards Cc: 'Jongsma, K.J.'; '313@hyperreal.org' Subject: Re: (313) Exploring Drum and Bass On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, at 07:16 PM, FC2 Richards wrote: I just picked up the Mixmag Live CD that featured LTJ Bukem, which if you ask me, is the Best DB mix I have ever heard. i think i would agree with that. although the grooverider prototype years mix cd comes a close second. that's the most 'techno' dnb mix i've ever heard.. the mixes on it are just sick. - garrett
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some of these not meant for the list posts make for a better read than the legitimate discussion threads. :^) peace, lrh -Original Message- From: ::) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:22 PM To: ::); atomly; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Exploring Drum and Bass oops, not meant for the list :) -Joe - Original Message - From: ::) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:21 PM Subject: Re: (313) Exploring Drum and Bass fux you, come to our place. we moved to efnet. we miss you adam, I want to have your baby online. -Joe - Original Message - From: atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:16 PM Subject: Re: (313) Exploring Drum and Bass Here's a set I played in Omaha earlier this month that moves from techno to drum and bass: http://www.atomly.com/music/atomly_-_live_in_omaha_20030102.mp3 -- :: atomly :: [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] : www.atomly.com ... [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 877.741.3571 ... [ send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] info and updates ...
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If you like it hard and dark, check out Ed Rush's Torque mix on No U-Turn. Doc Scott's Mixmag Live does the business too. -Original Message- From: Stang Anya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:40 AM To: 313 Subject: RE: (313) Exploring Drum and Bass There's 2 more dnb mix cd's that I _really_ like: Kemistry (r.i.p.) Storm - DJ Kicks http://www.k7.com/data.pl?release=k7074 Jumpin' Jack Frost - Fine Tuning Vol 1 (J Majik's The Lizard is in this mix. Great tune.) http://www.epitonic.com/artists/jumpinjackfrost.html http://www.dunerecordings.com/ JJF has been around for ages, and he co-runs V Recordings. Check out their releases. Anya -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 3:09 AM To: FC2 Richards Cc: 'Jongsma, K.J.'; '313@hyperreal.org' Subject: Re: (313) Exploring Drum and Bass On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, at 07:16 PM, FC2 Richards wrote: I just picked up the Mixmag Live CD that featured LTJ Bukem, which if you ask me, is the Best DB mix I have ever heard. i think i would agree with that. although the grooverider prototype years mix cd comes a close second. that's the most 'techno' dnb mix i've ever heard.. the mixes on it are just sick. - garrett Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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*This* seems pretty anal to me !-D OK, there are worse offenders, but I don't think you are completely blameless. Whereabouts is your place of work located may I ask Anya? Ken -Original Message- From: Stang Anya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:40 AM To: 313 Subject: RE: (313) Exploring Drum and Bass There's 2 more dnb mix cd's that I _really_ like: Kemistry (r.i.p.) Storm - DJ Kicks http://www.k7.com/data.pl?release=k7074 Jumpin' Jack Frost - Fine Tuning Vol 1 (J Majik's The Lizard is in this mix. Great tune.) http://www.epitonic.com/artists/jumpinjackfrost.html http://www.dunerecordings.com/ JJF has been around for ages, and he co-runs V Recordings. Check out their releases. Anya -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 3:09 AM To: FC2 Richards Cc: 'Jongsma, K.J.'; '313@hyperreal.org' Subject: Re: (313) Exploring Drum and Bass On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, at 07:16 PM, FC2 Richards wrote: I just picked up the Mixmag Live CD that featured LTJ Bukem, which if you ask me, is the Best DB mix I have ever heard. i think i would agree with that. although the grooverider prototype years mix cd comes a close second. that's the most 'techno' dnb mix i've ever heard.. the mixes on it are just sick. - garrett
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I think she's saying the whole list is anally fixated including herself! I think the whole world is, it's just the subject that varies. Here's it's music, with others it's soccer or films. -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 2:42 PM To: Stang Anya; 313 Subject: RE: (313) Exploring Drum and Bass *This* seems pretty anal to me !-D OK, there are worse offenders, but I don't think you are completely blameless. Whereabouts is your place of work located may I ask Anya? Ken -Original Message- From: Stang Anya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:40 AM To: 313 Subject: RE: (313) Exploring Drum and Bass There's 2 more dnb mix cd's that I _really_ like: Kemistry (r.i.p.) Storm - DJ Kicks http://www.k7.com/data.pl?release=k7074 Jumpin' Jack Frost - Fine Tuning Vol 1 (J Majik's The Lizard is in this mix. Great tune.) http://www.epitonic.com/artists/jumpinjackfrost.html http://www.dunerecordings.com/ JJF has been around for ages, and he co-runs V Recordings. Check out their releases. Anya -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 3:09 AM To: FC2 Richards Cc: 'Jongsma, K.J.'; '313@hyperreal.org' Subject: Re: (313) Exploring Drum and Bass On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, at 07:16 PM, FC2 Richards wrote: I just picked up the Mixmag Live CD that featured LTJ Bukem, which if you ask me, is the Best DB mix I have ever heard. i think i would agree with that. although the grooverider prototype years mix cd comes a close second. that's the most 'techno' dnb mix i've ever heard.. the mixes on it are just sick. - garrett Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Who said I'm blameless? Not me. : ) Of course I'm anal - I *am* subbed to 313 after all. ; ) And the sun's shining on the Isle of Dogs today. Anya -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 2:42 PM To: Stang Anya; 313 Subject: RE: (313) Exploring Drum and Bass *This* seems pretty anal to me !-D OK, there are worse offenders, but I don't think you are completely blameless. Whereabouts is your place of work located may I ask Anya? Ken -Original Message- From: Stang Anya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:40 AM To: 313 Subject: RE: (313) Exploring Drum and Bass There's 2 more dnb mix cd's that I _really_ like: Kemistry (r.i.p.) Storm - DJ Kicks http://www.k7.com/data.pl?release=k7074 Jumpin' Jack Frost - Fine Tuning Vol 1 (J Majik's The Lizard is in this mix. Great tune.) http://www.epitonic.com/artists/jumpinjackfrost.html http://www.dunerecordings.com/ JJF has been around for ages, and he co-runs V Recordings. Check out their releases. Anya -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 3:09 AM To: FC2 Richards Cc: 'Jongsma, K.J.'; '313@hyperreal.org' Subject: Re: (313) Exploring Drum and Bass On Tuesday, January 14, 2003, at 07:16 PM, FC2 Richards wrote: I just picked up the Mixmag Live CD that featured LTJ Bukem, which if you ask me, is the Best DB mix I have ever heard. i think i would agree with that. although the grooverider prototype years mix cd comes a close second. that's the most 'techno' dnb mix i've ever heard.. the mixes on it are just sick. - garrett
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If you like it hard and dark, check out Ed Rush's Torque mix on No U-Turn. Doc Scott's Mixmag Live does the business too. you heathens! that angry death metal DB is for basement boys - haha just kidding. the real dark jungle came out in 92-93 Recoil live on InterFACE - Astral Physics -- every Tuesday 7-9 pm est, Toronto - http://www.pirate-radio.co.uk msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq: 98984143 :) _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
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I just picked up the Mixmag Live CD that featured LTJ Bukem, which if you ask me, is the Best DB mix I have ever heard. My only problem with it is the fact that they didn't beak the tracks down, so it is only one track front to back... what year did this come out? I assume it was only avail. with the magazine? If anyone wanted to put it online somewhere I wouldn't mind (as it is probably promotional use only and no longer commercially available / for sale?) :P peace Matt MacQueen
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I think it came out around '95, but it wasn't free with the magazine. It was part of the Mixmag Live series, which was mostly awful but they did also put out mixes by Garnier and Hawtin (still Hawtin's best released mix CD IMO). Sean. -Original Message- From: Matthew MacQueen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 January 2003 17:21 To: 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Emile Facey; Mann, Ravinder [CCS]; FC2 Richards; Jongsma, K.J. Subject: RE: (313) Exploring Drum and Bass I just picked up the Mixmag Live CD that featured LTJ Bukem, which if you ask me, is the Best DB mix I have ever heard. My only problem with it is the fact that they didn't beak the tracks down, so it is only one track front to back... what year did this come out? I assume it was only avail. with the magazine? If anyone wanted to put it online somewhere I wouldn't mind (as it is probably promotional use only and no longer commercially available / for sale?) :P peace Matt MacQueen
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Yep, 1995 is right. http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amguid=12:27:26|PMsql=Akt6qoauauijn
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They were released commercially in the UK. I think they were re-released in 3-packs a few years ago too. It was a great series. The Laurent Garnier, Derrick Carter and Dimitri mixes are excellent. Joey Beltram did a ravey one with Moby which was cool if memory serves me. The best of all and one of the best ever CD mixes IMHO is the Ritchie Hawtin one. I don't know if they are all still available but I have seen a few of them in high street stores here in the UK. -Original Message- From: Matthew MacQueen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 5:21 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Emile Facey; Mann, Ravinder [CCS]; FC2 Richards; Jongsma, K.J. Subject: RE: (313) Exploring Drum and Bass I just picked up the Mixmag Live CD that featured LTJ Bukem, which if you ask me, is the Best DB mix I have ever heard. My only problem with it is the fact that they didn't beak the tracks down, so it is only one track front to back... what year did this come out? I assume it was only avail. with the magazine? If anyone wanted to put it online somewhere I wouldn't mind (as it is probably promotional use only and no longer commercially available / for sale?) :P peace Matt MacQueen Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Nah, that Bukem Mixmag tops Hawtin's Mixmag any day... what *is* killer, though, is Bukem's The Rebirth mix from '95/'96. Unfortunately, it too is all one track. Matthew -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:29 PM To: 'Matthew MacQueen'; 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Emile Facey; Mann, Ravinder [CCS]; FC2 Richards; Jongsma, K.J. Subject: RE: (313) Exploring Drum and Bass They were released commercially in the UK. I think they were re-released in 3-packs a few years ago too. It was a great series. The Laurent Garnier, Derrick Carter and Dimitri mixes are excellent. Joey Beltram did a ravey one with Moby which was cool if memory serves me. The best of all and one of the best ever CD mixes IMHO is the Ritchie Hawtin one. I don't know if they are all still available but I have seen a few of them in high street stores here in the UK. -Original Message- From: Matthew MacQueen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 5:21 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Emile Facey; Mann, Ravinder [CCS]; FC2 Richards; Jongsma, K.J. Subject: RE: (313) Exploring Drum and Bass I just picked up the Mixmag Live CD that featured LTJ Bukem, which if you ask me, is the Best DB mix I have ever heard. My only problem with it is the fact that they didn't beak the tracks down, so it is only one track front to back... what year did this come out? I assume it was only avail. with the magazine? If anyone wanted to put it online somewhere I wouldn't mind (as it is probably promotional use only and no longer commercially available / for sale?) :P peace Matt MacQueen Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Was just listening to the Hawtin MixMag live CD in the car this morning. Still a great CD with great tracks. Not to get into the whole Hawtin debate but I just loved him back in the early to mid 90s. At 05:23 PM 1/16/2003 +, Sean Creen wrote: I think it came out around '95, but it wasn't free with the magazine. It was part of the Mixmag Live series, which was mostly awful but they did also put out mixes by Garnier and Hawtin (still Hawtin's best released mix CD IMO). Sean. -Original Message- From: Matthew MacQueen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 January 2003 17:21 To: 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Emile Facey; Mann, Ravinder [CCS]; FC2 Richards; Jongsma, K.J. Subject: RE: (313) Exploring Drum and Bass I just picked up the Mixmag Live CD that featured LTJ Bukem, which if you ask me, is the Best DB mix I have ever heard. My only problem with it is the fact that they didn't beak the tracks down, so it is only one track front to back... what year did this come out? I assume it was only avail. with the magazine? If anyone wanted to put it online somewhere I wouldn't mind (as it is probably promotional use only and no longer commercially available / for sale?) :P peace Matt MacQueen
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I have a brilliant tape called Dark Intelligence by a local NYC DJ from that era...I remember liking it cool! do you remember the DJ's name? not a whole lot of stateside DJs were playing darkside hardcore in America back in 92/93, as far as i know where i live in Toronto, we were lucky to have some DJs playing really good obscure hardcore jungle, that they were getting shipped over from London Recoil live on InterFACE - Astral Physics -- every Tuesday 7-9 pm est, Toronto - http://www.pirate-radio.co.uk msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq: 98984143 :) From: Mark S. Krüx [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Recoil [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) Exploring Drum and Bass Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 11:52:57 -0500 _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
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I just picked up the Mixmag Live CD that featured LTJ Bukem, which if you ask me, is the Best DB mix I have ever heard. what year did this come out? I assume it was only avail. with the magazine? If anyone wanted to put it online somewhere I wouldn't mind (as it is probably promotional use only and no longer commercially available / for sale?) :P i dont have that mix, but if you like i can send you an mp3 of some other Bukem stuff that is probably just as good, or better let me know if you want em ez Liam Recoil live on InterFACE - Astral Physics -- every Tuesday 7-9 pm est, Toronto - http://www.pirate-radio.co.uk msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq: 98984143 :) _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
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It ain't dnb but I urge you to check out Bukem's Earth 4 compilation (I hear the other 4 are good too) on Good Looking. There's a couple of gorgeous, almost Latin John Beltran tracks on it (Aztec Girl and Seven Miles High) and some great tracks by Makoto and Artemis - it all ranges from downbeat jazzy beats to some amazing house cuts - it's a bit of a change in direction for Bukem, though it's just his label rather than his tunes - but hardly surprising given its jazzy bent and quality production. -Original Message- From: Recoil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 8:39 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Exploring Drum and Bass I just picked up the Mixmag Live CD that featured LTJ Bukem, which if you ask me, is the Best DB mix I have ever heard. what year did this come out? I assume it was only avail. with the magazine? If anyone wanted to put it online somewhere I wouldn't mind (as it is probably promotional use only and no longer commercially available / for sale?) :P i dont have that mix, but if you like i can send you an mp3 of some other Bukem stuff that is probably just as good, or better let me know if you want em ez Liam Recoil live on InterFACE - Astral Physics -- every Tuesday 7-9 pm est, Toronto - http://www.pirate-radio.co.uk msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq: 98984143 :) _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Pardon the extended digression. Yes, there is Detroit content (a little). The history of drum and bass looks very different from the US side as opposed to the UK side. Jungle (not drum and bass) first showed up in San Francisco in the late spring of 1994. Ameba, the little shop on Haight St where I spent many hours both looking for records and mixing on the store system, started getting stock from a dodgy distributor in Chicago. This was going completely in the opposite direction of the trip hop and acid jazz scene that was starting to choke SF. So naturally my friends at the store jumped all over this strange new hybrid of dub and breakbeat 'ardkore. The first one I bought, was a white label Moonshine re-release of Shy FX's Original Nuttah on yellow vinyl. Soon thereafter the first Looking Good/Good Looking releases starting coming in -- I have most of the first ten or so. For a while there were only a handful of DJs playing jungle at all on the west coast, although I recall sets in 1995 by Jonah Sharpe and great live performance by Gamall Awad using a Mac and Cubase and a couple synths. It turned out, though, a lot of DJs really liked jungle but wouldn't play it out for fear of alienating the audience. In '95 jungle was still pretty unknown in the US. I played Bukem's Horizons as a set closer a couple times, once at sunset on Bolinas Beach on the 4th of July, and still hear about that. On one of my trips to the D that year I played some jungle on the store system at Somewhere in Detroit and got a lot of amazed looks. It seemed at the time that there might be some techno/jungle hybrids but it never really happened beyond some good experiments by some of the Detroit producers. At that point, jungle was still under the covers for the most part except for tower block radio and small parties in London. But the commercial feeding frenzy was just starting, and Mixmaster Morris, who'd been playing the ambient sound for quite some time, wrote a somewhat tongue-in-cheek article for Mixmag that fall called What the f*** is jungle? This was just at the brink of when jungle was repositioned as drum and bass, and the sound increasingly focused on what the wider market would go for, which was darkness/techstep/etc., on the one hand, and ambient/intelligent (or even dolphin I kid you not) on the other. Much of the creativity that distinguished jungle in the 1993-95 era was rubbed out by the rush to commercial success. And a lot of offshoot styles like jump-up never seemed to make much headway here. I still think the 93-95 era had stellar music, and really amazingly consistent and excellent material from LGR/GLR and of course Metalheadz and especially the label that really made it happen, Moving Shadow. This was followed by the second generation including Certificate 18 and the others previously mentioned. It's worth recalling, once more, the crucial influence that Dego and Mark Mac had on shaping up the early jungle scene and setting the stage for what followed. And finally, I have to mention Rob Haigh. Renegade Snares, the 1993 Omni Trio release on Shadow that really laid it down, is the one everyone remembers, but he's done ten years of amazingly consistent and deep work. One of the very few producers whose work I will buy on sight. I lost interest in spinning jungle very much in about 1997. The evolution of the music had slowed to a crawl as a million imitators of the Amen break and the first three or four Ed Rush and Optical records swamped the scene. The American side, anyway, developed into a scattering of little self-conscious and often snotty cliques, putting on a club night or two in a given city and exercising all the petty little stunts that people in small scenes do. But I would still call myself an original junglist as much as you can be in the States, and when the mood is right I'll pull out those old atmospheric and ruff tracks and turn up the bass ... phred
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I remember seeing Danny breakz Dan Donnelly and some other acts from Suburban Base label along with a MC perform a live P.A. They had this strange arm and leg motion dance which is hard to describe. Hardcore Will Never Die Also remember those Spiral Tribe raves in the U.K? Thousands of people camping out raving to hardcore in the English countryside. on 1/16/03 2:47 PM, Recoil at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a brilliant tape called Dark Intelligence by a local NYC DJ from that era...I remember liking it cool! do you remember the DJ's name? not a whole lot of stateside DJs were playing darkside hardcore in America back in 92/93, as far as i know where i live in Toronto, we were lucky to have some DJs playing really good obscure hardcore jungle, that they were getting shipped over from London Recoil live on InterFACE - Astral Physics -- every Tuesday 7-9 pm est, Toronto - http://www.pirate-radio.co.uk msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq: 98984143 :) = Adonis vrs. Panansonic (Vakio Blast First) http://pages.prodigy.net/stevepwats/adonis-panasonic.mp3
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FH: But I would still call myself an original junglist as much as you can be in the States, and when the mood is right I'll pull out those old atmospheric and ruff tracks and turn up the bass ... I never got into spinning jungle/D+B (though I have a small collection of Jungle vinyl) but when DJ DB started playing it here in NYC around '93/'94 I picked up a couple of his first Jungle tapes (He was my favorite DJ afterall so bought 'em any of his tapes I could find without a thought). I got these tapes home, popped one in the deck and was like 'What the FU*K is that!?!?' It took me at least a few months before I *got* it if ya know what I mean. Much like Fred I too totally lost interest in Jungle around late '96 early '97 when it seemed to go in a direction I really didn't like, especially here in NY. In late '98, when I was working on an EDM magazine, I got a bunch of promo CDs and went to a bunch of D+B parties in NYC and at WMC in '99 and '00...I also got to interview/meet some of my heros which was cool, but I never *really* got back into the music. The novelty had worn off for me I guessand I just wasn't feeling the newer stuff I was hearing at that time. I think a lot of it is that I ain't all that great a dancer and D+B is just too much of a strain on my weak abilities on the floor;-) Anyway my favorite Jungle mix is Alex Reece's mix on One In the Jungle on BBC1 in '96...I have it on tape and still pop it in from time to time when I'm in the mood. It's a great driving tape... Cheers, m* - Original Message - From: Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 4:57 PM Subject: RE: (313) Exploring Drum and Bass Pardon the extended digression. Yes, there is Detroit content (a little). The history of drum and bass looks very different from the US side as opposed to the UK side. Jungle (not drum and bass) first showed up in San Francisco in the late spring of 1994. Ameba, the little shop on Haight St where I spent many hours both looking for records and mixing on the store system, started getting stock from a dodgy distributor in Chicago. This was going completely in the opposite direction of the trip hop and acid jazz scene that was starting to choke SF. So naturally my friends at the store jumped all over this strange new hybrid of dub and breakbeat 'ardkore. The first one I bought, was a white label Moonshine re-release of Shy FX's Original Nuttah on yellow vinyl. Soon thereafter the first Looking Good/Good Looking releases starting coming in -- I have most of the first ten or so. For a while there were only a handful of DJs playing jungle at all on the west coast, although I recall sets in 1995 by Jonah Sharpe and great live performance by Gamall Awad using a Mac and Cubase and a couple synths. It turned out, though, a lot of DJs really liked jungle but wouldn't play it out for fear of alienating the audience. In '95 jungle was still pretty unknown in the US. I played Bukem's Horizons as a set closer a couple times, once at sunset on Bolinas Beach on the 4th of July, and still hear about that. On one of my trips to the D that year I played some jungle on the store system at Somewhere in Detroit and got a lot of amazed looks. It seemed at the time that there might be some techno/jungle hybrids but it never really happened beyond some good experiments by some of the Detroit producers. At that point, jungle was still under the covers for the most part except for tower block radio and small parties in London. But the commercial feeding frenzy was just starting, and Mixmaster Morris, who'd been playing the ambient sound for quite some time, wrote a somewhat tongue-in-cheek article for Mixmag that fall called What the f*** is jungle? This was just at the brink of when jungle was repositioned as drum and bass, and the sound increasingly focused on what the wider market would go for, which was darkness/techstep/etc., on the one hand, and ambient/intelligent (or even dolphin I kid you not) on the other. Much of the creativity that distinguished jungle in the 1993-95 era was rubbed out by the rush to commercial success. And a lot of offshoot styles like jump-up never seemed to make much headway here. I still think the 93-95 era had stellar music, and really amazingly consistent and excellent material from LGR/GLR and of course Metalheadz and especially the label that really made it happen, Moving Shadow. This was followed by the second generation including Certificate 18 and the others previously mentioned. It's worth recalling, once more, the crucial influence that Dego and Mark Mac had on shaping up the early jungle scene and setting the stage for what followed. And finally, I have to mention Rob Haigh. Renegade Snares, the 1993 Omni Trio release on Shadow that really laid it down, is the one everyone remembers, but he's done ten years of amazingly consistent and deep work
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I just picked up the Mixmag Live CD that featured LTJ Bukem, which if you ask me, is the Best DB mix I have ever heard. My only problem with it is the fact that they didn't beak the tracks down, so it is only one track front to back... peace Jeff -Original Message- From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 7:37 PM To: 'Lee Herrington IV'; m a t t [d] Cc: 313 Subject: RE: (313) Exploring Drum and Bass I lost track on Drum Bass years ago but there was an era that it produced some amazing records. I forgot most of the titles but i loved almost all the PFM stuff, Certificate 18, Source Direct did some really beautiful things as well! The first Logical Progression from LTJ Bukem is an essential DB compilation IMHO. Nowadays most of it is the same as loop techno for me... getting on my nerves :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] i still pop on paralell universe, [4hero] from time to time. and that in order to dance 6 comp on rs has some great ,detroit-inspired db works... check out jazz juice - deroit. peace, lrh -Original Message- From: m a t t [d] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 3:48 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Exploring Drum and Bass of, dare I say it, soulful drum n bass. I've been thinking about this a lot myself lately. Back in 95 I read an interview with Alex Reece who said how much he was inspired by UR and their melodies. Last week I went back to some of my favourite d+b records from 94 -99. While mixing some of my favourite examples of what would later be given the kiss of death by the label 'inteligent'. If you listen to some of the early reece, pim, wax doctor, the d+b that was put out on RS (esp the model 500 remixes), hidden agenda, creative source stuff etc there are IMHO a lot of at least superficial similarities to the detroit sound - the momentum of the beats, the use of strings, new sounds, eq levels in the production, use of dissonance, the funk in the spaces between the beats. Mixing them to maximise the beat and bass switches and absolutely minimise breakdowns I find it quite close in feeling and emotion to the feeling and emotion of dancing to a long deep soulful techno mix - with a big smile on my face :) It was these tunes that started making me want to find out more about this detroit sound I was hearing about. The mix I refer to isn't 100% perfect, but if anyone is interested I can host it for others to hear what I'm talking about. Maybe it's just nostalgia (already!) :)) -- has anyone else experienced or thought about something similar along these themes? Matt - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. --
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have to agree with you jeff there. I have that too. A tear jerking darker ie sadder section in the middle, ive tried to follow the tracks carefully and im think sequence of tracks on the listing doesnt match the sequence of tracks recorded but they do contain one and only - pfm we can change the future - code of practice breathless - intense rav -Original Message- From: FC2 Richards [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 3:16 AM To: 'Jongsma, K.J.' Cc: '313@hyperreal.org' Subject: RE: (313) Exploring Drum and Bass I just picked up the Mixmag Live CD that featured LTJ Bukem, which if you ask me, is the Best DB mix I have ever heard. My only problem with it is the fact that they didn't beak the tracks down, so it is only one track front to back... peace Jeff -Original Message- From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 7:37 PM To: 'Lee Herrington IV'; m a t t [d] Cc: 313 Subject: RE: (313) Exploring Drum and Bass I lost track on Drum Bass years ago but there was an era that it produced some amazing records. I forgot most of the titles but i loved almost all the PFM stuff, Certificate 18, Source Direct did some really beautiful things as well! The first Logical Progression from LTJ Bukem is an essential DB compilation IMHO. Nowadays most of it is the same as loop techno for me... getting on my nerves :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] i still pop on paralell universe, [4hero] from time to time. and that in order to dance 6 comp on rs has some great ,detroit-inspired db works... check out jazz juice - deroit. peace, lrh -Original Message- From: m a t t [d] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 3:48 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Exploring Drum and Bass of, dare I say it, soulful drum n bass. I've been thinking about this a lot myself lately. Back in 95 I read an interview with Alex Reece who said how much he was inspired by UR and their melodies. Last week I went back to some of my favourite d+b records from 94 -99. While mixing some of my favourite examples of what would later be given the kiss of death by the label 'inteligent'. If you listen to some of the early reece, pim, wax doctor, the d+b that was put out on RS (esp the model 500 remixes), hidden agenda, creative source stuff etc there are IMHO a lot of at least superficial similarities to the detroit sound - the momentum of the beats, the use of strings, new sounds, eq levels in the production, use of dissonance, the funk in the spaces between the beats. Mixing them to maximise the beat and bass switches and absolutely minimise breakdowns I find it quite close in feeling and emotion to the feeling and emotion of dancing to a long deep soulful techno mix - with a big smile on my face :) It was these tunes that started making me want to find out more about this detroit sound I was hearing about. The mix I refer to isn't 100% perfect, but if anyone is interested I can host it for others to hear what I'm talking about. Maybe it's just nostalgia (already!) :)) -- has anyone else experienced or thought about something similar along these themes? Matt - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. --
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Yeah, that mix is awesome. It was one of the mixes that made me go out and buy some decks! But what happened to Bukem? Every mix he committed to CD after this was a load of *hit. All his Mills/hip-hop style cut up mixing was traded in for boring, smooth, bland intro mixes, yuk! From: Mann, Ravinder [CCS] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 08:59:23 - To: 'FC2 Richards' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Jongsma, K.J.'[EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: '313@hyperreal.org' 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Exploring Drum and Bass have to agree with you jeff there. I have that too. A tear jerking darker ie sadder section in the middle, ive tried to follow the tracks carefully and im think sequence of tracks on the listing doesnt match the sequence of tracks recorded but they do contain one and only - pfm we can change the future - code of practice breathless - intense rav -Original Message- From: FC2 Richards [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 3:16 AM To: 'Jongsma, K.J.' Cc: '313@hyperreal.org' Subject: RE: (313) Exploring Drum and Bass I just picked up the Mixmag Live CD that featured LTJ Bukem, which if you ask me, is the Best DB mix I have ever heard. My only problem with it is the fact that they didn't beak the tracks down, so it is only one track front to back... peace Jeff -Original Message- From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 7:37 PM To: 'Lee Herrington IV'; m a t t [d] Cc: 313 Subject: RE: (313) Exploring Drum and Bass I lost track on Drum Bass years ago but there was an era that it produced some amazing records. I forgot most of the titles but i loved almost all the PFM stuff, Certificate 18, Source Direct did some really beautiful things as well! The first Logical Progression from LTJ Bukem is an essential DB compilation IMHO. Nowadays most of it is the same as loop techno for me... getting on my nerves :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] i still pop on paralell universe, [4hero] from time to time. and that in order to dance 6 comp on rs has some great ,detroit-inspired db works... check out jazz juice - deroit. peace, lrh -Original Message- From: m a t t [d] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 3:48 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Exploring Drum and Bass of, dare I say it, soulful drum n bass. I've been thinking about this a lot myself lately. Back in 95 I read an interview with Alex Reece who said how much he was inspired by UR and their melodies. Last week I went back to some of my favourite d+b records from 94 -99. While mixing some of my favourite examples of what would later be given the kiss of death by the label 'inteligent'. If you listen to some of the early reece, pim, wax doctor, the d+b that was put out on RS (esp the model 500 remixes), hidden agenda, creative source stuff etc there are IMHO a lot of at least superficial similarities to the detroit sound - the momentum of the beats, the use of strings, new sounds, eq levels in the production, use of dissonance, the funk in the spaces between the beats. Mixing them to maximise the beat and bass switches and absolutely minimise breakdowns I find it quite close in feeling and emotion to the feeling and emotion of dancing to a long deep soulful techno mix - with a big smile on my face :) It was these tunes that started making me want to find out more about this detroit sound I was hearing about. The mix I refer to isn't 100% perfect, but if anyone is interested I can host it for others to hear what I'm talking about. Maybe it's just nostalgia (already!) :)) -- has anyone else experienced or thought about something similar along these themes? Matt - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. --
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of, dare I say it, soulful drum n bass. I've been thinking about this a lot myself lately. Back in 95 I read an interview with Alex Reece who said how much he was inspired by UR and their melodies. Last week I went back to some of my favourite d+b records from 94 -99. While mixing some of my favourite examples of what would later be given the kiss of death by the label 'inteligent'. If you listen to some of the early reece, pim, wax doctor, the d+b that was put out on RS (esp the model 500 remixes), hidden agenda, creative source stuff etc there are IMHO a lot of at least superficial similarities to the detroit sound - the momentum of the beats, the use of strings, new sounds, eq levels in the production, use of dissonance, the funk in the spaces between the beats. Mixing them to maximise the beat and bass switches and absolutely minimise breakdowns I find it quite close in feeling and emotion to the feeling and emotion of dancing to a long deep soulful techno mix - with a big smile on my face :) It was these tunes that started making me want to find out more about this detroit sound I was hearing about. The mix I refer to isn't 100% perfect, but if anyone is interested I can host it for others to hear what I'm talking about. Maybe it's just nostalgia (already!) :)) -- has anyone else experienced or thought about something similar along these themes? Matt - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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i still pop on paralell universe, [4hero] from time to time. and that in order to dance 6 comp on rs has some great ,detroit-inspired db works... check out jazz juice - deroit. peace, lrh -Original Message- From: m a t t [d] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 3:48 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Exploring Drum and Bass of, dare I say it, soulful drum n bass. I've been thinking about this a lot myself lately. Back in 95 I read an interview with Alex Reece who said how much he was inspired by UR and their melodies. Last week I went back to some of my favourite d+b records from 94 -99. While mixing some of my favourite examples of what would later be given the kiss of death by the label 'inteligent'. If you listen to some of the early reece, pim, wax doctor, the d+b that was put out on RS (esp the model 500 remixes), hidden agenda, creative source stuff etc there are IMHO a lot of at least superficial similarities to the detroit sound - the momentum of the beats, the use of strings, new sounds, eq levels in the production, use of dissonance, the funk in the spaces between the beats. Mixing them to maximise the beat and bass switches and absolutely minimise breakdowns I find it quite close in feeling and emotion to the feeling and emotion of dancing to a long deep soulful techno mix - with a big smile on my face :) It was these tunes that started making me want to find out more about this detroit sound I was hearing about. The mix I refer to isn't 100% perfect, but if anyone is interested I can host it for others to hear what I'm talking about. Maybe it's just nostalgia (already!) :)) -- has anyone else experienced or thought about something similar along these themes? Matt - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I lost track on Drum Bass years ago but there was an era that it produced some amazing records. I forgot most of the titles but i loved almost all the PFM stuff, Certificate 18, Source Direct did some really beautiful things as well! The first Logical Progression from LTJ Bukem is an essential DB compilation IMHO. Nowadays most of it is the same as loop techno for me... getting on my nerves :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] i still pop on paralell universe, [4hero] from time to time. and that in order to dance 6 comp on rs has some great ,detroit-inspired db works... check out jazz juice - deroit. peace, lrh -Original Message- From: m a t t [d] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 3:48 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Exploring Drum and Bass of, dare I say it, soulful drum n bass. I've been thinking about this a lot myself lately. Back in 95 I read an interview with Alex Reece who said how much he was inspired by UR and their melodies. Last week I went back to some of my favourite d+b records from 94 -99. While mixing some of my favourite examples of what would later be given the kiss of death by the label 'inteligent'. If you listen to some of the early reece, pim, wax doctor, the d+b that was put out on RS (esp the model 500 remixes), hidden agenda, creative source stuff etc there are IMHO a lot of at least superficial similarities to the detroit sound - the momentum of the beats, the use of strings, new sounds, eq levels in the production, use of dissonance, the funk in the spaces between the beats. Mixing them to maximise the beat and bass switches and absolutely minimise breakdowns I find it quite close in feeling and emotion to the feeling and emotion of dancing to a long deep soulful techno mix - with a big smile on my face :) It was these tunes that started making me want to find out more about this detroit sound I was hearing about. The mix I refer to isn't 100% perfect, but if anyone is interested I can host it for others to hear what I'm talking about. Maybe it's just nostalgia (already!) :)) -- has anyone else experienced or thought about something similar along these themes? Matt - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. --
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On Sun, Jan 12, 2003 at 12:23:15PM -0600, Jkenjar wrote: any closet jungle fans on the list? Anybody have any favorite artists or lables worth looking into. Hit me back privatley if you are too embarressed to /me raises hand. i'm from detroit, and have been listening to techno and electro locally for more than half a decade. i've been listening to jungle and hardcore for about as long, if not a tad longer. i'm probably going to catch some flames for this, oh well. ;) i like my techno in the same vein i like my jungle. i'm just a fan of hard, raw, energetic music. i can understand and respect the glitchy stuff, and the minimal stuff, and the experimental stuff. i just don't like it. there might be a few exceptions, tracks here and there that'll catch my ear; on a whole, though, the glitchy/minimal/newschool stuff seems to me to be mostly homogenized garbage. in that respect, most of the newschool jungle coming out in the last few years has been homogenized garbage, too. hoover basslines are wonderful when done correctly, same with vocal samples, but by themselves, neither of those things do a good track automatically make. i'll still go apesh't over a properly-stitched amen mashup, though. anyways, here's my favorites from the jungle side of things : older stuff : lemon d - this is LA - metalheadz everything from no-u-turn between 1996 and 1998. ;) j majik - your sound - metalheadz nasty habits - shadowboxing - 31 panacea - low profile darkness LP - position chrome (stormbringer!!!) newer stuff : dylan - retribution - biotic doc scott - drumz 2000 - metalheadz most of the stuff on n2o in the last couple years dom+roland - thunder RMX - moving shadow technical itch - viking - moving shadow technical itch et al - killabite LP - techitch klute - song seller - 31 a lot of the new technical itch records coming out REALLY disappoint me. same with panacea and bad company. there's a trend going in jungle to embrace a latin influence on a swing or jazzier tip for some reason, and most everything produced with that influence has been mainstream dancefloor garbage. i'm a big fan of UR's approach to music; this music is for a revolution of thought, and revolutions don't often come from people sitting around in black turtlenecks, stroking their chin stubble. revolution comes from motivation, and motivation isn't found in pretentious complacency. ;) --darkcube [ ethereal / subterrain / uberhax0r ] --email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] / AOL IM : el8haqr --#include /usr/include/cya/std_disclaimer.h
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No need to be embarrassed about liking good music. I'm not so into it now - it's either too hard, dull and repetetive (much like a lot of British/European techno) - like Renegade Hardware/Bad Company, or it's gone commercial like Shy FX. I still like some DJ Hype/Ganja Kru material but most of it fails to hold my interest these days. I was a big fan of No U-Turn and Metalheads back in the day though. Adam F's Metropolis kicks ass and Goldie's Inner City Life is a classic - a rare case of, dare I say it, soulful drum n bass. -Original Message- From: Joe Stanievich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 7:58 PM To: Jkenjar Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Exploring Drum and Bass On Sun, Jan 12, 2003 at 12:23:15PM -0600, Jkenjar wrote: any closet jungle fans on the list? Anybody have any favorite artists or lables worth looking into. Hit me back privatley if you are too embarressed to /me raises hand. i'm from detroit, and have been listening to techno and electro locally for more than half a decade. i've been listening to jungle and hardcore for about as long, if not a tad longer. i'm probably going to catch some flames for this, oh well. ;) i like my techno in the same vein i like my jungle. i'm just a fan of hard, raw, energetic music. i can understand and respect the glitchy stuff, and the minimal stuff, and the experimental stuff. i just don't like it. there might be a few exceptions, tracks here and there that'll catch my ear; on a whole, though, the glitchy/minimal/newschool stuff seems to me to be mostly homogenized garbage. in that respect, most of the newschool jungle coming out in the last few years has been homogenized garbage, too. hoover basslines are wonderful when done correctly, same with vocal samples, but by themselves, neither of those things do a good track automatically make. i'll still go apesh't over a properly-stitched amen mashup, though. anyways, here's my favorites from the jungle side of things : older stuff : lemon d - this is LA - metalheadz everything from no-u-turn between 1996 and 1998. ;) j majik - your sound - metalheadz nasty habits - shadowboxing - 31 panacea - low profile darkness LP - position chrome (stormbringer!!!) newer stuff : dylan - retribution - biotic doc scott - drumz 2000 - metalheadz most of the stuff on n2o in the last couple years dom+roland - thunder RMX - moving shadow technical itch - viking - moving shadow technical itch et al - killabite LP - techitch klute - song seller - 31 a lot of the new technical itch records coming out REALLY disappoint me. same with panacea and bad company. there's a trend going in jungle to embrace a latin influence on a swing or jazzier tip for some reason, and most everything produced with that influence has been mainstream dancefloor garbage. i'm a big fan of UR's approach to music; this music is for a revolution of thought, and revolutions don't often come from people sitting around in black turtlenecks, stroking their chin stubble. revolution comes from motivation, and motivation isn't found in pretentious complacency. ;) --darkcube [ ethereal / subterrain / uberhax0r ] --email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] / AOL IM : el8haqr --#include /usr/include/cya/std_disclaimer.h Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]
