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Gotta love this one . . . http://www.dogsquad.co.uk/~lisa/gallery/albums/album18/Tristan.jpg
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Oh yes - that's genius eh? I think someone took a little movie of the event. teehee ... Fred Heutte wrote: Gotta love this one . . . http://www.dogsquad.co.uk/~lisa/gallery/albums/album18/Tristan.jpg
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ahh there he is :) -Original Message- From: lisa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 03/06/2004 07:18 To: Fred Heutte Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Movement 04 Oh yes - that's genius eh? I think someone took a little movie of the event. teehee ... Fred Heutte wrote: Gotta love this one . . . http://www.dogsquad.co.uk/~lisa/gallery/albums/album18/Tristan.jpg
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Hehehehehehe Who's playing behind T? -Original Message- From: Fred Heutte [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 5:39 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Movement 04 Gotta love this one . . . http://www.dogsquad.co.uk/~lisa/gallery/albums/album18/Tristan.jpg # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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That is All Out K from Rushhour, the guy on the left is Mike Kievits aka DJ Aardvarck. Can we now stop the Tristan Watkins adoration please? On 3-jun-04, at 11:48, Robert Taylor wrote: Hehehehehehe Who's playing behind T? -Original Message- From: Fred Heutte [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 5:39 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Movement 04 Gotta love this one . . . http://www.dogsquad.co.uk/~lisa/gallery/albums/album18/Tristan.jpg ### ## Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. ### ##
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At 05:48 AM 6/3/2004, you wrote: Hehehehehehe Who's playing behind T? Not sure which pic you're talking about, but I'm pretty sure that's the one Lisa snapped while sitting next to me at Aardvarck/High Tech Soul Stage. jeff
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Hehehehehehe Who's playing behind T? Funny innit! All Out K from Rushhour... _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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Can we now stop the Tristan Watkins adoration please? awww. it was fun. OK. But just one last high-five for the boy, check his tee! http://www.dogsquad.co.uk/~lisa/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album18id=Tristan_Hannah_01 teehee. last post, I promise. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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I wouldn't exactly call it adoration either! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:01 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Movement 04 Can we now stop the Tristan Watkins adoration please? awww. it was fun. OK. But just one last high-five for the boy, check his tee! http://www.dogsquad.co.uk/~lisa/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album18id=Tristan_Hannah_01 teehee. last post, I promise. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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who's Trance? :) -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 03/06/2004 12:03 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Subject: RE: (313) Movement 04 I wouldn't exactly call it adoration either! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:01 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Movement 04 Can we now stop the Tristan Watkins adoration please? awww. it was fun. OK. But just one last high-five for the boy, check his tee! http://www.dogsquad.co.uk/~lisa/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album18id=Tristan_Hannah_01 teehee. last post, I promise. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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now there's a tee-shirt with a message. i wonder if you can pick those up at Target. :-P From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2004/06/03 Thu AM 06:01:29 EDT To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Movement 04 Can we now stop the Tristan Watkins adoration please? awww. it was fun. OK. But just one last high-five for the boy, check his tee! http://www.dogsquad.co.uk/~lisa/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album18id=Tristan_Hannah_01 teehee. last post, I promise. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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The most funniest thing i got was this sticker Tom Linder gave to me with the 2 words Jit Happens On it. Simply brilliant because it is oh so true. I was hoping to see some jit during the liveset from electrofunk though. Musical highlights for me this weekend at the festival: Duplex, Orlando Voorn, Amp Fiddler, Mike Grant, Ron Trent, Terrence Parker Maurice Turner tagteaming at the mainstage Buzz Goree. Some new trends we saw and i now need to copy to be cool: - People tripping over a step-up at the 7th city party at a 3-per-minute rate and trying to cover that up by doing an extremely cool dance move - Holding a record in the air while dancing - Female house dj's who look like f*cking hippies The best afterparties for me where the For Those Who Know III and the Green Lights GO!!! party. On the last party there was not time to dance i ran into friends everywhere :) i was a bit dissapointed by Shawn Rudimans liveset though. His records do sound so much better :-/ Claude Young surprised me by playing a brilliant set and same goes for Jeff Samuels. KJ On 3-jun-04, at 15:11, Robert Taylor wrote: Detroit and the Movement Festival were mentioned in London's daily free paper, Metro, today. Great timing. They also mention going to a bar called Bookies so 'you can say you visited the wrong side of 8 Mile and lived to tell the tale' and then tell yuo to go shopping in Windsor - nice.
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Gutted I never got there, all these reports are killing me but in a good way.. I did have ticket but due to powers above and beyond it just didn't happen.. anyway I am checking out the Kevin Suaderson mix on the site and I am a little dissapionted at his choice and his mixing but it seems lots of people were enjoying it, so what was the crowd like this year? I know when I went last year I heard many Detroiters complaining about a certain type of person( can't remebr the name given) coming in and so I wonder did Kevin pick up on this and played to the masses instead of playing what he would normally play? -Original Message- From: kj at technotourist dot org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 03/06/2004 14:13 To: 313 Mailinglist List Cc: Subject: Re: (313) Movement 04 The most funniest thing i got was this sticker Tom Linder gave to me with the 2 words Jit Happens On it. Simply brilliant because it is oh so true. I was hoping to see some jit during the liveset from electrofunk though. Musical highlights for me this weekend at the festival: Duplex, Orlando Voorn, Amp Fiddler, Mike Grant, Ron Trent, Terrence Parker Maurice Turner tagteaming at the mainstage Buzz Goree. Some new trends we saw and i now need to copy to be cool: - People tripping over a step-up at the 7th city party at a 3-per-minute rate and trying to cover that up by doing an extremely cool dance move - Holding a record in the air while dancing - Female house dj's who look like f*cking hippies The best afterparties for me where the For Those Who Know III and the Green Lights GO!!! party. On the last party there was not time to dance i ran into friends everywhere :) i was a bit dissapointed by Shawn Rudimans liveset though. His records do sound so much better :-/ Claude Young surprised me by playing a brilliant set and same goes for Jeff Samuels. KJ On 3-jun-04, at 15:11, Robert Taylor wrote: Detroit and the Movement Festival were mentioned in London's daily free paper, Metro, today. Great timing. They also mention going to a bar called Bookies so 'you can say you visited the wrong side of 8 Mile and lived to tell the tale' and then tell yuo to go shopping in Windsor - nice.
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Well, I guess I just get p***ed at people who just have a pop and do nothing to change anything, of course you are entitled to your say but music has always been subjective, I would just ask that people become more objective but then again I've never been one to take the easy way out. I wish Sheffield would get behind something like this, man I'm even saving my hard earned to make it over. Martin - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stewart Caig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 10:46 PM Subject: Re: (313) movement 04 Righty right, Stewart! The only difference between Atomly and Derrick May at this point is that he's done one festival. I'm sure he had a learning curve to overcome last year. But to say say that Atomly doesn't have a right to his opinion because he's never done it before is an empty argument. I too was a bit curious as to the lack of a VARIETY of live acts last year. And before anyone says there was this and that one playing live, yes there were a lot. There were also several of those live acts that played several times at different stages no less. I really applaud the fact that many of these performers decided to play for free. But, then again, who wouldn't?!? I think they could have easily filled the empty slots with hungry new talent from here and elsewhere easily. There are a lot of DJs and live acts that would have done it simply for the exposure, and many of them were here for the festival anyway, so no travel fees to worry about. I don't think that anyone was ever debating the fact that putting on a festival of this magnitute is a pain in the blankety-blank, but there is always room for progress and change for the better. If not, they should have just stopped after the success of the first year. Peace, Alex Stewart Caig [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/16/2004 05:17 PM To 313@hyperreal.org cc Subject Re: (313) movement 04 i have no problem with people making valid criticism. i hate seeing someone who is just being ignorant trying to tear down something do great like he could do better. pshaw. good luck man. when's the yearly ATOMLY ELECTRONIC MUSIC FESTIVAL gonna start featuring groundbreaking performers from all over the world? ha. crap analogy Its like, I went and saw that Cold Mountain and thought it kinda sucked. But I couldn't begin to make a movie like it, nor can I really comprehend the effort that must have gone into it. Does that make my opinion invalid? I dont think so. I look at things from an end product point of view, regardless of any other factors that went into it. If something sucks, I call it. /crap anlogy
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-- Original Message -- From: Stewart Caig [EMAIL PROTECTED] crap analogy Its like, I went and saw that Cold Mountain and thought it kinda sucked. But I couldn't begin to make a movie like it, nor can I really comprehend the effort that must have gone into it. Does that make my opinion invalid? I dont think so. I look at things from an end product point of view, regardless of any other factors that went into it. If something sucks, I call it. /crap anlogy he wasnt criticising the artistic integrity of the festival, he was criticising the ability of the festival to make money. big difference. art is subjective, making money is objective. tom andythepooh.com
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Exactly the point I was going to make, but you beat me to it ;-) Of course this list is all about voicing your opinions and having discussions about wether or not you think some artist or festival or wathever is crap. No matter if you have extensive experience in that field or not. But saying stuff like ...How you can take over something like Movement and not turn a profit is beyond ridiculous to me, when you don't have the experience to know what you are talking about can only deserve a STFU. But anyway, let's please get back from shouting you suck! to the referee to playing in the field ourselves. Joost -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: dinsdag 17 februari 2004 2:32 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) movement 04 -- Original Message -- From: Stewart Caig [EMAIL PROTECTED] crap analogy Its like, I went and saw that Cold Mountain and thought it kinda sucked. But I couldn't begin to make a movie like it, nor can I really comprehend the effort that must have gone into it. Does that make my opinion invalid? I dont think so. I look at things from an end product point of view, regardless of any other factors that went into it. If something sucks, I call it. /crap anlogy he wasnt criticising the artistic integrity of the festival, he was criticising the ability of the festival to make money. big difference. art is subjective, making money is objective. tom andythepooh.com
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[Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]] anyway, i wonder why your name didnt pop up when they were getting their finances together this year since you seem to think its so easy. OK, I totally don't understand this reasoning. So from now on I can't complain about a record unless I offer to do a remix for them or something? I thought I was allowed to state my opinion-- maybe I'm wrong. I like how defensive you guys all got about this. I made a simple statement that they somehow managed to drop attendance from 1M to 600K and I think it was for good reason. They've lost all the excitement of the lineup and managed to take it from one of the most exciting festivals ever organized to something I only went to for one night last year. Carl Craig booked a diverse lineup that you couldn't see anywhere else in the world whereas last year they must've done all the bookings out of a Detroit white pages from 1996. In my opinion they're booking too many acts and spending too much money on people that I don't think will draw enough people to justify what they're paying for them. And anybody who says people aren't in this for profit is lying to themselves. If you're making music or doing shows for a living, you can't afford to lose money on every gig you play or every show you book. I know a lot of people who managed to still make a living off of music last year. In tight times you just have to be more careful about what you do. -- :: atomly :: [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] : www.atomly.com ... [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 312.804.5389 ... [ e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for atomly info and updates ...
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You talk about defensiveness, Atomly, but then you say things like this: Carl Craig booked a diverse lineup that you couldn't see anywhere else in the world whereas last year they must've done all the bookings out of a Detroit white pages from 1996. Let's review the evidence then. Open up the phone directory and we find: Akufen Amp Fiddler Andres Aril Brikha Ayro Ben Bracken Blaze (TBC) Brad Hales Buzz Goree Carl Craig and Detroit Experiment Carlos Souffront Clark Warner Danny Krivit Dabrye Delano Smith DJ Spinna (TBC) Double Helix Dwele D Wynn Eddie Fowlkes ESG Francois K Fusion Genesis Grandwizzard Theodore Jazzy Jay Jeff Mills Jimmy Edgar Jon Arnold John Beltran Juan Atkins Kevin Saunderson and Kenny Larkin K. Hand Korie Liquid Liquid Magda Marcellus Pittman Matthew Dear Mike Clark Mike Grant Milo (Wild Bunch/Massive Attack) Niko Marks (TBC) Norma Jean Bell Norm Talley Perspects Peven Everett Pole Reese Project Reggie Dokes Richie Hawtin (TBC) Rolando Ron Trent Sans Soliel Scott Zacharias Anthony (Shake) Shakir Slum Village Spacek Stacey Hale Stacy Pullen Szysmanski Tamion 12 The 3 Chairs featuring Kenny Dixon Jr. Theo Parrish Thinkbox Thomas Fehlman Time:Space Ursula Rucker Vikter Duplaix Wolf Eyes (pulled this list from the Freep lineup in an early May 2003 news story so it's not 100% accurate) I'll see Mike Grant, Agent X, my man Reggie Dokes, Shake, Kelli, Clark, Buzz, John Arnold, etc. etc. etc. ANY DAY. As for those attendance figures, everyone knows they are eyewash. If anything, the festival is too crowded at least half the time, given the physical limitations of Hart Plaza. But that also keeps the crowds to a manageable level. fred
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-- Original Message -- From: atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK, I totally don't understand this reasoning. So from now on I can't complain about a record unless I offer to do a remix for them or something? I thought I was allowed to state my opinion-- maybe I'm wrong. youre not critiqueing an artform, youre claiming that people who get paid to do business dont know how to do their business. there's a reason theyre called professionals. tom andythepooh.com
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[Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]] youre not critiqueing an artform, youre claiming that people who get paid to do business dont know how to do their business. there's a reason theyre called professionals. Well, then, you're saying business is immune to critique? -- :: atomly :: [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] : www.atomly.com ... [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 312.804.5389 ... [ e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for atomly info and updates ...
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[Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED]] You talk about defensiveness, Atomly, but then you say things like this: Carl Craig booked a diverse lineup that you couldn't see anywhere else in the world whereas last year they must've done all the bookings out of a Detroit white pages from 1996. I don't see that's defensive, but OK. As for those attendance figures, everyone knows they are eyewash. If anything, the festival is too crowded at least half the time, given the physical limitations of Hart Plaza. But that also keeps the crowds to a manageable level. Eyewash to us, but not to the city and certainly not to sponsors. As far as lineups are concerned, I'd certainly be much more apt to travel to see the likes of Tikiman, Rich circa DE9, Assault, Godfather, The Roots, Mos Def, Autechre, Stacey Pullen, Inner City, Tortoise, Jazzanova, Nobukazu Takemura, Kooky Scientist, Prefuse 73, Kit Clayton, Laurent Garnier, De La Soul, Mix Master Mike, Kenny Larkin, Todd Sines, Common Factor, Tiki Man, Derrick Carter, Perspects, A Guy Called Gerald, DBX, Cash Money and Derek Plaslaiko than what has been booked the last few years. Maybe it just comes down to personal preference, but I'd honestly pay money to see any of these people and put any four of them together and I'd travel to see it. The same can't be said, however, for the last few festivals. -- :: atomly :: [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] : www.atomly.com ... [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 312.804.5389 ... [ e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for atomly info and updates ...
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By most accounts, last year's lineup was the strongest since the first DEMF. Even accounting for some variation, I've found the lineups to be well above my quite high tolerance level for big public events. I mean, I'm the kind of person who will walk out of a movie half an hour in if it sucks. (Better choice: read the reviews and avoid bad movies! But you can't let movie reviewers run your life either :) I guess we'll just have to disagree about last year's performers. If this is charted as defensive, so be it. I am glad to see Derrick May is talking about mixing it up again this year and bringing in more bands. The festival can't progress without change. fred
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-- Original Message -- From: atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, then, you're saying business is immune to critique? im saying you dont need to be a professional artist to make good art, but business is a different story. provide some credentials involving free festivals that draw hundreds of thousands of people while getting corporate sponsors from the highest levels, showing me why youre more qualified to make these decisions than the people who are making them and i'll shut up. in the meantime you just sound like dj entropy trying to get on peoples' nerves. tom andythepooh.com
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[Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]] im saying you dont need to be a professional artist to make good art, but business is a different story. provide some credentials involving free festivals that draw hundreds of thousands of people while getting corporate sponsors from the highest levels, showing me why youre more qualified to make these decisions than the people who are making them and i'll shut up. in the meantime you just sound like dj entropy trying to get on peoples' nerves. Well, I think you're wrong, but whatever, it's not worth arguing about. Nothing on this list is worth arguing about, because every time I try I get a bunch of responses from people saying the same thing over and over because they don't understand the point I'm trying to make and then get a bunch of personal replies from people off list saying I agree. It's like shouting at a wall. I'm not trying to piss people off, I'm just stating my opinion. I think the festivals in 2000 and 2001 were some of the best lineups ever booked in North America and were diverse enough and groundbreaking enough to draw in people from all over the continent and even the world. Since then, though, I feel like the festival has shifted its focus from the groundbreaking and forward-thinking to the nostalgiac and established. Anyway, enough. If you wanna go to DEMF, have fun. I want Furthur back. -- :: atomly :: [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] : www.atomly.com ... [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 312.804.5389 ... [ e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for atomly info and updates ...
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It was always better back in the day... ;0) So, Atomly- you don't think that DEMF / Movement has ANY value?? RB -Original Message- From: atomly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 February 2004 4:33 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) movement 04 [Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]] im saying you dont need to be a professional artist to make good art, but business is a different story. provide some credentials involving free festivals that draw hundreds of thousands of people while getting corporate sponsors from the highest levels, showing me why youre more qualified to make these decisions than the people who are making them and i'll shut up. in the meantime you just sound like dj entropy trying to get on peoples' nerves. Well, I think you're wrong, but whatever, it's not worth arguing about. Nothing on this list is worth arguing about, because every time I try I get a bunch of responses from people saying the same thing over and over because they don't understand the point I'm trying to make and then get a bunch of personal replies from people off list saying I agree. It's like shouting at a wall. I'm not trying to piss people off, I'm just stating my opinion. I think the festivals in 2000 and 2001 were some of the best lineups ever booked in North America and were diverse enough and groundbreaking enough to draw in people from all over the continent and even the world. Since then, though, I feel like the festival has shifted its focus from the groundbreaking and forward-thinking to the nostalgiac and established. Anyway, enough. If you wanna go to DEMF, have fun. I want Furthur back. -- :: atomly :: [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] : www.atomly.com ... [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 312.804.5389 ... [ e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for atomly info and updates ... *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments, and destroy any copies thereof. Thank you. ***
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-- Original Message -- From: atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, I think you're wrong, but whatever, it's not worth arguing about. Nothing on this list is worth arguing about, because every time I try I get a bunch of responses from people saying the same thing over and over because they don't understand the point I'm trying to make and then get a bunch of personal replies from people off list saying I agree. It's like shouting at a wall. your opinion is about doing something youve never had any experience doing. i dont know what to say about that really. how many free festivals have you thrown with hundreds of thousands of attendees? sh*t, have you done ANYTHING even CLOSE to that scale of things? the number of things that could potentially happen in planning something like this boggles the mind. for you to sit there and make comments about their ability to pull it off when you couldnt even begin to do so yourself is absolutely useless. if you were an organizer of say the love parade in berlin perhaps your opinion would be worthwhile. in the meantime youre just a critic mouthing off from the peanut gallery. I'm not trying to piss people off, I'm just stating my opinion. clarify that: your unqualified opinion. I think the festivals in 2000 and 2001 were some of the best lineups ever booked in North America and were diverse enough and groundbreaking enough to draw in people from all over the continent and even the world. Since then, though, I feel like the festival has shifted its focus from the groundbreaking and forward-thinking to the nostalgiac and established. yeah, last year it shifted fosuc to people from detroit. what a novel concept considering the fact that it is the detroit electronic music festival. really, if you thought last year's lineup of up and coming people alongside some of the most influential cats in the business doesnt stand up to the past lineups, i dont know what to say. Anyway, enough. If you wanna go to DEMF, have fun. I want Furthur back. rave on. tom andythepooh.com
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Nice post, chief. Have a good one. [Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]] -- Original Message -- From: atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, I think you're wrong, but whatever, it's not worth arguing about. Nothing on this list is worth arguing about, because every time I try I get a bunch of responses from people saying the same thing over and over because they don't understand the point I'm trying to make and then get a bunch of personal replies from people off list saying I agree. It's like shouting at a wall. your opinion is about doing something youve never had any experience doing. i dont know what to say about that really. how many free festivals have you thrown with hundreds of thousands of attendees? sh*t, have you done ANYTHING even CLOSE to that scale of things? the number of things that could potentially happen in planning something like this boggles the mind. for you to sit there and make comments about their ability to pull it off when you couldnt even begin to do so yourself is absolutely useless. if you were an organizer of say the love parade in berlin perhaps your opinion would be worthwhile. in the meantime youre just a critic mouthing off from the peanut gallery. I'm not trying to piss people off, I'm just stating my opinion. clarify that: your unqualified opinion. I think the festivals in 2000 and 2001 were some of the best lineups ever booked in North America and were diverse enough and groundbreaking enough to draw in people from all over the continent and even the world. Since then, though, I feel like the festival has shifted its focus from the groundbreaking and forward-thinking to the nostalgiac and established. yeah, last year it shifted fosuc to people from detroit. what a novel concept considering the fact that it is the detroit electronic music festival. really, if you thought last year's lineup of up and coming people alongside some of the most influential cats in the business doesnt stand up to the past lineups, i dont know what to say. Anyway, enough. If you wanna go to DEMF, have fun. I want Furthur back. rave on. tom andythepooh.com -- :: atomly :: [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] : www.atomly.com ... [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 312.804.5389 ... [ e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for atomly info and updates ...
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clarify that: your unqualified opinion. tom, why are you so pissed? who cares...people can say whatever they want...i think energy is better spent not arguing over tossed-off comments...why not stop and try to understand someone else's viewpoint...if you find no value in it, write it off, dont waste your energy arguing...i dont know if i agree with atomly but there is always room for criticism and improvement I think the festivals in 2000 and 2001 were some of the best lineups ever booked in North America and were diverse enough and groundbreaking enough to draw in people from all over the continent and even the world. Since then, though, I feel like the festival has shifted its focus from the groundbreaking and forward-thinking to the nostalgiac and established. i dont think its that easy to blame the roster for any decline in demf success/fun. the first year it was fresh and new. ford was running commercials on tv with model 500 and plugging the festival in mainstream publications. there was as much or more nostalgic/established stuff the first year as any other. i just hope for a focus on live music. artists actually performing their own stuff adds so much more energy and vitality and personality to the experience. i think. the first year seemed to have an excellent balance of live stuff and dj'ing, with the balance shifting towards dj's ever since. i mean 1st year you had scion, poobahs, dbx, adult, guy called gerald, scan 7, puzzlebox showcase, etc etc etc all live! there's been good live stuff every year but they really covered the spectrum 1st year. last year only a few names on the roster even had live next to their name, leaving me to guess or just hope that some of the others would be live too...but i couldnt afford to go just guessing and hoping. hype it up! accentuate the personalities in electronic music! put on something to show the uninitiated its real music not just dj/club culture jt _ Click here for a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
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-- Original Message -- From: J. T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] tom, why are you so pissed? who cares...people can say whatever they want...i think energy is better spent not arguing over tossed-off comments...why not stop and try to understand someone else's viewpoint...if you find no value in it, write it off, dont waste your energy arguing...i dont know if i agree with atomly but there is always room for criticism and improvement i have no problem with people making valid criticism. i hate seeing someone who is just being ignorant trying to tear down something do great like he could do better. pshaw. good luck man. when's the yearly ATOMLY ELECTRONIC MUSIC FESTIVAL gonna start featuring groundbreaking performers from all over the world? ha. last year only a few names on the roster even had live next to their name, leaving me to guess or just hope that some of the others would be live too...but i couldnt afford to go just guessing and hoping. dabrye, amp fiddler, pole, dwele, detroit experiment, liquid liquid, esg, midwest product, john arnold, ayro, double helix, norma jean bell, time:space, etc. those are just the people that i caught playing live. thats not some joker business there. i think perhaps the only spots lacking live acts last year was the headlining spots each day. throughout the day you could catch any number of people playing on any number of different setups from staight up live to half electronic half live. tom andythepooh.com
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i have no problem with people making valid criticism. i hate seeing someone who is just being ignorant trying to tear down something do great like he could do better. pshaw. good luck man. when's the yearly ATOMLY ELECTRONIC MUSIC FESTIVAL gonna start featuring groundbreaking performers from all over the world? ha. crap analogy Its like, I went and saw that Cold Mountain and thought it kinda sucked. But I couldn't begin to make a movie like it, nor can I really comprehend the effort that must have gone into it. Does that make my opinion invalid? I dont think so. I look at things from an end product point of view, regardless of any other factors that went into it. If something sucks, I call it. /crap anlogy
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i have no problem with people making valid criticism. i hate seeing someone who is just being ignorant trying to tear down something do great like he could do better. pshaw. good luck man. when's the yearly ATOMLY ELECTRONIC MUSIC FESTIVAL gonna start featuring groundbreaking performers from all over the world? ha. aww man go easy tho. dabrye, amp fiddler, pole, dwele, detroit experiment, liquid liquid, esg, midwest product, john arnold, ayro, double helix, norma jean bell, time:space, etc. those are just the people that i caught playing live. thats not some joker business there. i think no it's decent, but a little light on detroit techno and electro. dwele and njb had already played previous years as well. pole's last album was terrible. anyways i didnt go so i cant comment a whole lot, except to say as nice as that is the balance has still shifted towards dj's, and the live acts, as good as they may be, dont pack the punch of the first two years rosters..the third year left a taste in my mouth bad enough to not go last year, hopefully it was betetr than the third..yeah? hey so why cant kraftwerk play? coachella is good enough but not the d?? bitches! :P _ Check out the great features of the new MSN 9 Dial-up, with the MSN Dial-up Accelerator. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/
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hey so why cant kraftwerk play? coachella is good enough but not the d?? bitches! :P $$ _ Check out the great features of the new MSN 9 Dial-up, with the MSN Dial-up Accelerator. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/
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oh yeah...that stuff i see in my wallet sometimes... just karl bartos would be cool tho even. hey so why cant kraftwerk play? coachella is good enough but not the d?? bitches! :P $$ _ Let the advanced features services of MSN Internet Software maximize your online time. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200363ave/direct/01/
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On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 05:05:08PM -0500, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: when's the yearly ATOMLY ELECTRONIC MUSIC FESTIVAL gonna start featuring groundbreaking performers from all over the world? ha. I think he's on to something. -j -- Rev. Jeffrey Paul-datavibe- [EMAIL PROTECTED] aim:x736e65616b pgp:0x15FA257E phone:8777483467 70E0 B896 D5F3 8BF4 4BEE 2CCF EF2F BA28 15FA 257E
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Righty right, Stewart! The only difference between Atomly and Derrick May at this point is that he's done one festival. I'm sure he had a learning curve to overcome last year. But to say say that Atomly doesn't have a right to his opinion because he's never done it before is an empty argument. I too was a bit curious as to the lack of a VARIETY of live acts last year. And before anyone says there was this and that one playing live, yes there were a lot. There were also several of those live acts that played several times at different stages no less. I really applaud the fact that many of these performers decided to play for free. But, then again, who wouldn't?!? I think they could have easily filled the empty slots with hungry new talent from here and elsewhere easily. There are a lot of DJs and live acts that would have done it simply for the exposure, and many of them were here for the festival anyway, so no travel fees to worry about. I don't think that anyone was ever debating the fact that putting on a festival of this magnitute is a pain in the blankety-blank, but there is always room for progress and change for the better. If not, they should have just stopped after the success of the first year. Peace, Alex Stewart Caig [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/16/2004 05:17 PM To 313@hyperreal.org cc Subject Re: (313) movement 04 i have no problem with people making valid criticism. i hate seeing someone who is just being ignorant trying to tear down something do great like he could do better. pshaw. good luck man. when's the yearly ATOMLY ELECTRONIC MUSIC FESTIVAL gonna start featuring groundbreaking performers from all over the world? ha. crap analogy Its like, I went and saw that Cold Mountain and thought it kinda sucked. But I couldn't begin to make a movie like it, nor can I really comprehend the effort that must have gone into it. Does that make my opinion invalid? I dont think so. I look at things from an end product point of view, regardless of any other factors that went into it. If something sucks, I call it. /crap anlogy
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Is that not due to the fact that it's free? Why not offer your help - if you think we do this for profit your on the wrong mailing list. Martin Dust - Original Message - From: atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 5:54 PM Subject: Re: (313) movement 04 [Oliver Ruehl [EMAIL PROTECTED]] movement 2004 http://www.freep.com/news/locway/move14_20040214.htm Man... Give it back to Carl Craig. How you can take over something like Movement and not turn a profit is beyond ridiculous to me. -- :: atomly :: [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] : www.atomly.com ... [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 312.804.5389 ... [ e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for atomly info and updates ...
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-- Original Message -- From: atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Man... Give it back to Carl Craig. How you can take over something like Movement and not turn a profit is beyond ridiculous to me. IIRC it did lose money for the first two years as well, didnt it? anyway, i wonder why your name didnt pop up when they were getting their finances together this year since you seem to think its so easy. tom andythepooh.com
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[Oliver Ruehl [EMAIL PROTECTED]] movement 2004 http://www.freep.com/news/locway/move14_20040214.htm Man... Give it back to Carl Craig. How you can take over something like Movement and not turn a profit is beyond ridiculous to me. -- :: atomly :: [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] : www.atomly.com ... [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 312.804.5389 ... [ e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for atomly info and updates ...
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I don't know Adam. What's the business model? Let me see: Hire multiple giant sound systems for three days, install them on gigantic custom built stages, pay people at the top of their profession to perform, and your only revenue stream is charging people who set up vendor tents and sell funnel cakes. Maybe sell some souvenir shwag yourself as icing on the cake. I'm at a net loss after promoting 20 or 30 shows, and I get to actually charge admission! The red ink last year came from not attracting any big sponsors. This year, maybe they'll be able to cut a deal. On Sat, 14 Feb 2004, atomly wrote: [Oliver Ruehl [EMAIL PROTECTED]] movement 2004 http://www.freep.com/news/locway/move14_20040214.htm Man... Give it back to Carl Craig. How you can take over something like Movement and not turn a profit is beyond ridiculous to me.
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I really think to say that is to totally ignore the economic situation. Very few people in the music industry are cutting a profit right now, period, especially where underground music is concerned. If anyone can find an industry person who disagrees, I'd love to meet 'em! -- From: atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) movement 04 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 4:54 AM [Oliver Ruehl [EMAIL PROTECTED]] movement 2004 http://www.freep.com/news/locway/move14_20040214.htm Man... Give it back to Carl Craig. How you can take over something like Movement and not turn a profit is beyond ridiculous to me. -- :: atomly :: [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] : www.atomly.com ... [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 312.804.5389 ... [ e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for atomly info and updates ...
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I couldn't disagree more. Many businesses aren't profitable in their first year or two. Even moreso for turnarounds, which Movement is. DEMF had the advantage of launching during a huge economic upswing, which ended shortly thereafter. Movement is operating in a context of a bad economy (Michigan is second only to my own Oregon in unemployment) and contracting ad budgets. The music industry itself, as we know, is an utter shambles. Those who think they know how to run Movement better might want to call up and volunteer. Maybe if your ideas are that good they'll bring you on as staff. Better yet, invest a few hundred thousand dollars and have a deciding voice in how the show runs. That is in fact how many major festivals of all kinds operate. fred -- mail forwarded, original message follows -- To: 313@hyperreal.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] atomly Subject: Re: (313) movement 04 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 11:54:38 -0600 [Oliver Ruehl [EMAIL PROTECTED]] movement 2004 http://www.freep.com/news/locway/move14_20040214.htm Man... Give it back to Carl Craig. How you can take over something like Movement and not turn a profit is beyond ridiculous to me. -- :: atomly :: [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] : www.atomly.com ... [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 312.804.5389 ... [ e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for atomly info and updates ...
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Just wanted to agree too... I think that by ourdays, festivals are more Cultural events, than some private companies sources of profit... I can tell you that 80% of the live acts I've made in last 3 years in festivals (even if its 90% in Europe, where its the same situation anyway) were possible because of some sponsors or Governement cultural budgets... Specially for free festivals... Even if I think that lots of governement budgets are too low...or (its the case in Belgium) just dedicated to Classical music, nothing for electronic, rock music etc... So, its also the moment to talk about sponsoring for underground music...(because I know that if we are talking about Movement, we will have to talk about sponsorship..) If we need to wear a Ford t-shirt (ok its maybe too much ;-)..., to have a chance to make the people ear/discover our music ...why not... Sponsoring exist for many centuries...it made possible some of the nicest italian sculptures and peinting during renaissance hey !...of course Ford didn't exist by these days, but was the same kind of business...;-) Fabrice Lig From: Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Fw: Re: (313) movement 04 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:58:40 -0800 I couldn't disagree more. Many businesses aren't profitable in their first year or two. Even moreso for turnarounds, which Movement is. DEMF had the advantage of launching during a huge economic upswing, which ended shortly thereafter. Movement is operating in a context of a bad economy (Michigan is second only to my own Oregon in unemployment) and contracting ad budgets. The music industry itself, as we know, is an utter shambles. Those who think they know how to run Movement better might want to call up and volunteer. Maybe if your ideas are that good they'll bring you on as staff. Better yet, invest a few hundred thousand dollars and have a deciding voice in how the show runs. That is in fact how many major festivals of all kinds operate. fred -- mail forwarded, original message follows -- To: 313@hyperreal.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] atomly Subject: Re: (313) movement 04 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 11:54:38 -0600 [Oliver Ruehl [EMAIL PROTECTED]] movement 2004 http://www.freep.com/news/locway/move14_20040214.htm Man... Give it back to Carl Craig. How you can take over something like Movement and not turn a profit is beyond ridiculous to me. -- :: atomly :: [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] : www.atomly.com ... [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 312.804.5389 ... [ e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for atomly info and updates ... _ Grand concours Saint Valentin! http://www.fr.msn.be/saintvalentin/concours/
