Re: [313] Black techno artists
hmm. I don't know where this thread started but to comment on these two artistically I would say that Angel has lost his way recently (in mine eyes), Rockliffe isn't a bad dj but I am not too sure about his productions. He needs to move way from that Carl Cox, Billy Nasty, Jim Masters stable to evolve (if he has that in the tank - remains...). Rachmad is probably the most in touch detroit-influenced black producer I can think of over here and he is from Holland. Everyone else is lost in the commercial cancer that is UK garage. 4-hero are too much of an innovation now to be linked with influences all the time, 'the boyz done good.' - Original Message - From: FC3 Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 8:51 PM Subject: RE: [313] Black techno artists DAVE ANGEL AND TREVOR ROCKLIFE as far as i know, and from some pics i have seen they appear to be black...Mr Angel was obviously heavily influenced by Detroit judging by his production sound. As far as more recently though, i don't think he has done anything. Trevor Rocklife has done some work with Blake Baxter and plays out some good quality records...if that is what you are looking for on the Europe tip. peace Jeff -Original Message- From: Gerald [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 3:50 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Black techno artists Figured since it's Black History Month... Just wanted to hear about Black artists and their influence on the music we all know and love TECHNO. Now we all know about the role a few Detroiter's had in the beginning. I'm more interested in hearing about more recent influences. Guys like Titonton Duvante, and Charles Noel come to mind. How about Europe? Anyone...? G - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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as far as i know, and from some pics i have seen they appear to be black...Mr Angel was obviously heavily influenced by Detroit judging by his production sound. As far as more recently though, i don't think he has done anything. Dave Angel is fully into the Detroit sound, plus his dad is a musician and he has a full jazz background. He is a funny guy. He has been working on a new album after leaving Island. Angel has a new Internet-order mix-CD, Dave Angel 01 - for more info check the web site (I think it's www.trustthedj.com). This is from an interview late last year: He is recording an ambitious third album with live instrumentation, vocalists, and calibre guests such as Roy Ayers, George Clinton and New Zealander Mark D' Clive-Lowe. Angel intends it to be his definitive future jazz LP. I've just been touring around the world, he says. I've kinda taken a bit of a break from the studio, you know. I'm still working on the album - I've been working on it now for about two years. I've taken a break from it because I'm just not happy in the environment that I'm working in right now, so my studio's under construction right now - a whole new studio getting built - and I just feel a change is needed in terms of equipment and environment. Angel has already laid down music with Clinton and Ayers. His hook-up with Clinton was an experience, Dave says. Crazy - bloody hard as well! I learnt a lot of things (laughs)... I learnt a lot of things. I learnt a lot of positive things - that's the only thing I can really tell ya! By contrast, Dave describes Ayers as a living genius - totally professional and just straight to the point. At any rate, Dave is in no rush to shop for a record deal for the album. I haven't got anybody backing me or anything - I'm just doing this all by myself, he asserts. I see it as my baby, and it's my project, funded by me - my time, my creation - and, really, I'd like to keep it that way for as long as I can. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Satisfied? To sum up (so far) that's Mr G, Rockliffe Rachmad. But no one's mentioned Orlando Voorn ... Amsterdam. I know very little about him myself ... a collaboration with Atkins circa 1995/6 - If you have Tresor's Infiniti Collection - it's on there ... yes he's definitely black, before I get asked, have seen pictures ... not that to me, that is the most salient aspect of him being Orlando Voorn. I'd appreciate more info on him myself. Peace -Original Message- From: s mcgill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 12:42 AM To: 313 Subject: Re: [313] Black techno artists hmm. I don't know where this thread started but to comment on these two artistically I would say that Angel has lost his way recently (in mine eyes), Rockliffe isn't a bad dj but I am not too sure about his productions. He needs to move way from that Carl Cox, Billy Nasty, Jim Masters stable to evolve (if he has that in the tank - remains...). Rachmad is probably the most in touch detroit-influenced black producer I can think of over here and he is from Holland. Everyone else is lost in the commercial cancer that is UK garage. 4-hero are too much of an innovation now to be linked with influences all the time, 'the boyz done good.' - Original Message - From: FC3 Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 8:51 PM Subject: RE: [313] Black techno artists DAVE ANGEL AND TREVOR ROCKLIFE as far as i know, and from some pics i have seen they appear to be black...Mr Angel was obviously heavily influenced by Detroit judging by his production sound. As far as more recently though, i don't think he has done anything. Trevor Rocklife has done some work with Blake Baxter and plays out some good quality records...if that is what you are looking for on the Europe tip. peace Jeff -Original Message- From: Gerald [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 3:50 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Black techno artists Figured since it's Black History Month... Just wanted to hear about Black artists and their influence on the music we all know and love TECHNO. Now we all know about the role a few Detroiter's had in the beginning. I'm more interested in hearing about more recent influences. Guys like Titonton Duvante, and Charles Noel come to mind. How about Europe? Anyone...? G - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Memo from Alex Bond of PricewaterhouseCoopers Start of message text Orlando is black, although I fail to see what it has to do with anything. He's also about 6'7, he is MASSIVE!! He is also a really cool guy, one of the good ones! (there's not many!) My Orlando top 3 . 1. Baruka - 'Raver of the lost funk' (Nightvision) 2. Infiniti - 'Game One' (w/Juan Atkins- Metroplex) 3. Basic B*stard Volume 4 - (Outland/Spiritual?) He has made many more very very good records, the names of which I can't remeber off the top of my head. There is a Baruka LP with a black cover and some eyes and lightning on - that's awesome also (is it on Buzz) Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 13/02/2002 11:36:23 To: s mcgill [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org 313@hyperreal.org cc: Subject: RE: [313] Black techno artists Satisfied? To sum up (so far) that's Mr G, Rockliffe Rachmad. But no one's mentioned Orlando Voorn ... Amsterdam. I know very little about him myself ... a collaboration with Atkins circa 1995/6 - If you have Tresor's Infiniti Collection - it's on there ... yes he's definitely black, before I get asked, have seen pictures ... not that to me, that is the most salient aspect of him being Orlando Voorn. I'd appreciate more info on him myself. Peace -Original Message- From: s mcgill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 12:42 AM To: 313 Subject: Re: [313] Black techno artists hmm. I don't know where this thread started but to comment on these two artistically I would say that Angel has lost his way recently (in mine eyes), Rockliffe isn't a bad dj but I am not too sure about his productions. He needs to move way from that Carl Cox, Billy Nasty, Jim Masters stable to evolve (if he has that in the tank - remains...). Rachmad is probably the most in touch detroit-influenced black producer I can think of over here and he is from Holland. Everyone else is lost in the commercial cancer that is UK garage. 4-hero are too much of an innovation now to be linked with influences all the time, 'the boyz done good.' - Original Message - From: FC3 Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 8:51 PM Subject: RE: [313] Black techno artists DAVE ANGEL AND TREVOR ROCKLIFE as far as i know, and from some pics i have seen they appear to be black...Mr Angel was obviously heavily influenced by Detroit judging by his production sound. As far as more recently though, i don't think he has done anything. Trevor Rocklife has done some work with Blake Baxter and plays out some good quality records...if that is what you are looking for on the Europe tip. peace Jeff -Original Message- From: Gerald [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 3:50 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Black techno artists Figured since it's Black History Month... Just wanted to hear about Black artists and their influence on the music we all know and love TECHNO. Now we all know about the role a few Detroiter's had in the beginning. I'm more interested in hearing about more recent influences. Guys like Titonton Duvante, and Charles Noel come to mind. How about Europe? Anyone...? G - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL
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Orlando Voorn comes from a hip hop background and is a pretty good hip hopm DJ
by all accounts (was it the DMC he won?)
The earliest techno records I heard by him were his early frequency stuff
('hey, hey, hey' is the only title I can remember off hand) which was big on
the early 90s rave scene, hard, kinda funky and very European sounding. Then of
course there were his collaborations with Juan and Blake Baxter (Basic
Bastard?), the famous 'Flash' by Fix and his label Slamdunk. My personal
favourites though are the 12 he did on Fragile and the double Baruka album that
came out on Buzz (Both of which I have and neither of which i can remember)
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Subject: RE: [313] Black techno artists
Satisfied? To sum up (so far) that's Mr G, Rockliffe Rachmad. But no one's
mentioned Orlando Voorn ... Amsterdam. I know very little about him myself
... a collaboration with Atkins circa 1995/6 - If you have Tresor's Infiniti
Collection - it's on there ... yes he's definitely black, before I get
asked, have seen pictures ... not that to me, that is the most salient
aspect of him being Orlando Voorn.
I'd appreciate more info on him myself.
Peace
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From: s mcgill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 12:42 AM
To: 313
Subject: Re: [313] Black techno artists
hmm. I don't know where this thread started but to comment on these two
artistically I would say that Angel has lost his way recently (in mine
eyes), Rockliffe isn't a bad dj but I am not too sure about his
productions.
He needs to move way from that Carl Cox, Billy Nasty, Jim Masters stable to
evolve (if he has that in the tank - remains...).
Rachmad is probably the most in touch detroit-influenced black producer I
can think of over here and he is from Holland. Everyone else is lost in the
commercial cancer that is UK garage. 4-hero are too much of an innovation
now to be linked with influences all the time, 'the boyz done good.'
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From: FC3 Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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DAVE ANGEL AND TREVOR ROCKLIFE
as far as i know, and from some pics i have seen they appear to be
black...Mr Angel was obviously heavily influenced by Detroit judging by
his
production sound. As far as more recently though, i don't think he has
done
anything. Trevor Rocklife has done some work with Blake Baxter and plays
out some good quality records...if that is what you are looking
for on the
Europe tip.
peace
Jeff
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From: Gerald [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 3:50 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: [313] Black techno artists
Figured since it's Black History Month...
Just wanted to hear about Black artists and their influence on
the music
we all know and love TECHNO. Now we all know about the role a few
Detroiter's had in the beginning. I'm more interested in hearing about
more recent influences. Guys like Titonton Duvante, and Charles Noel
come to mind. How about Europe?
Anyone...?
G
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This guy is almost black. http://www.techstylism.com/pic/spot/jlafro.html // janos ... See how ridiculous this gets? Admittedly this is just a tactless thing to say, but I can see where he's coming from. Janos, imho 'blackness' such as it is, is not a question of degree, it's probably more a quality of ethnicity and concommittent experience which either is - or isn't. Which is why, to me Daryl Hall John Oates (to use a perhaps too obvious example) are amongst the blackest soul singers around ... sigh, does anybody get this? -Original Message- From: janos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 11:22 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Black techno artists This guy is almost black. http://www.techstylism.com/pic/spot/jlafro.html // janos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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DAVE ANGEL AND TREVOR ROCKLIFE as far as i know, and from some pics i have seen they appear to be black...Mr Angel was obviously heavily influenced by Detroit judging by his production sound. As far as more recently though, i don't think he has done anything. Trevor Rocklife has done some work with Blake Baxter and plays out some good quality records...if that is what you are looking for on the Europe tip. peace Jeff -Original Message- From: Gerald [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 3:50 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Black techno artists Figured since it's Black History Month... Just wanted to hear about Black artists and their influence on the music we all know and love TECHNO. Now we all know about the role a few Detroiter's had in the beginning. I'm more interested in hearing about more recent influences. Guys like Titonton Duvante, and Charles Noel come to mind. How about Europe? Anyone...? G - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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DAVE ANGEL AND TREVOR ROCKLIFE are black. - Original Message - From: FC3 Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 3:51 PM Subject: RE: [313] Black techno artists as far as i know, and from some pics i have seen they appear to be black...Mr Angel was obviously heavily influenced by Detroit judging by his production sound. As far as more recently though, i don't think he has done anything. Trevor Rocklife has done some work with Blake Baxter and plays out some good quality records...if that is what you are looking for on the Europe tip. peace Jeff -Original Message- From: Gerald [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 3:50 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Black techno artists Figured since it's Black History Month... Just wanted to hear about Black artists and their influence on the music we all know and love TECHNO. Now we all know about the role a few Detroiter's had in the beginning. I'm more interested in hearing about more recent influences. Guys like Titonton Duvante, and Charles Noel come to mind. How about Europe? Anyone...? G - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Original Message Subject: Re: [313] Black techno artists Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 23:14:26 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ok then - let's discuss some American artists (black artists that is) that don't get their dues, within the techno/house/drumbass/etc. community that is, because we all know that outside of it they are virtually unknown. So I'll throw out a couple of names just to get the ball rolling (hopefully). Pick which ever you want and tell us what and why you think they are -- oh man I feel like I should be wearing a tweed coat with elbow patches. Eddie Flashin' Fowlkes (or is it Old Skool now) - he was there along with the other magnificent three but never got the recognition. Alan Oldham - not only is he a great music producer but without him DJAX-UP-BEATS would not be the same. Has never made enough comic books. and here's some that aren't in the dance music genres but should be celebrated and discovered James Blood Ulmer - guitarist Steve Coleman and the M-Base Collective Andrew Cyrille - drummer Just thought we could talk about the artists instead of bitching about whether we should be talking about the artists. Oh I'll also add Mary Wilson of the original Supremes - listen to her with Cannonball Adderly for proof of her superior voice (compared to scary Diana Ross) MEK glyph1001 cc: Subject: Re: [313] Black techno artists 02/09/02 12:30 PM Please respond to glyph1001 Right on!! Can't say it better myself. =) Have a nice day! g. If you ain't feelin' it, this ain't for you! --Steve Harvey (Kings of Comedy) Nicole Slavin wrote: at the risk of being slated, how can so many people remove the context of this music. it comes from a society and a place that has been a long time marginalised. and, you will find the same problems in any european country you decide to venture into. you cannot divorce the artists' experience from their music and to deny that race is an issue for this music is well, frankly, weird. why the dismissiveness towards this subject? would you look at a piece of art without wondering about its social and historical context, would you read a book and take it only at face value? i know many people on the list feel this subject has been talked to death, but it hasn't. it is still relevant and unresolved. how can you say you have no need to understand problems of the US, they are our problems too and the cultural and policitical and economic hegemonies of the US run the entire world. do you want us to be programmed and passive forever? there, i've had my say, criticise if you will. N -Original Message- From: Berislav Oremus To: 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org Date: 09 February 2002 07:07 Subject: Re: [313] Black techno artists With no disrespect intended (I really love your music and your contributions to the list), I think a lot of Europeans have trouble relating to racial problems in the US this is so offtopic again, but im asking my self how we europeans cant understand a racial problem in us, and again everything we do (in smaller countreys) is so not democratic and we always live on some teritory of economic sanctions, but we have to understand a rical problem in US. im confused i have a very big respect for black artist, and realy i dont have any problems with black or white. but i dont have any need to understand problems in US, at the same time that somebody from US have no need to understand problems that we have, or we had and lets take that off this list... music learnd
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- Original Message - From: glyph1001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 List 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 2:48 AM Subject: [Fwd: Re: [313] Black techno artists] Eddie Flashin' Fowlkes (or is it Old Skool now) - he was there along with the other magnificent three but never got the recognition. Alan Oldham - not only is he a great music producer but without him DJAX-UP-BEATS would not be the same. Has never made enough comic books. Word!!! I've been thinking that for some time now. How about Butch Strange? Saw him at the Motor 5 year anniversay party and he ripped it up! I guess DEMF2 counts as recognition, but what about Keith Worthy? He had a great set, and I never hear about him here. In the broader sense, how about Ron Trent, Chez Damier, Alton Miller, Marc Kinchen, TP, Mike Clark and others who helped make the house scene in Detroit early on, but have never really been recognized outside of Detroit for their contributions to the entire history of house (at least relative to those from Chicago and New York). It's obvious that the more recent Detroit house artists like Theo Parrish don't get their just due, but what about these guys that have been prominent for a while but don't get the recognition they deserve globally? Tristan -- http://www.mp313.com - Music http://www.metrotechno.net - DC techno + more http://www.metatrackstudios.com - DC DJ/Production studios http://phonopsia.tripod.com - Hub [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email FrogboyMCI - AOL Instant Messenger - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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- Original Message - From: glyph1001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 List 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 2:48 AM Subject: [Fwd: Re: [313] Black techno artists] Eddie Flashin' Fowlkes (or is it Old Skool now) - he was there along with the other magnificent three but never got the recognition. Alan Oldham - not only is he a great music producer but without him DJAX-UP-BEATS would not be the same. Has never made enough comic books. Word!!! I've been thinking that for some time now. How about Butch Strange? Saw him at the Motor 5 year anniversay party and he ripped it up! I guess DEMF2 counts as recognition, but what about Keith Worthy? He had a great set, and I never hear about him here. In the broader sense, how about Ron Trent, Chez Damier, Alton Miller, Marc Kinchen, TP, Mike Clark and others who helped make the house scene in Detroit early on, but have never really been recognized outside of Detroit for their contributions to the entire history of house (at least relative to those from Chicago and New York). It's obvious that the more recent Detroit house artists like Theo Parrish don't get their just due, but what about these guys that have been prominent for a while but don't get the recognition they deserve globally? Tristan -- i still don't get it. what are you aiming at? how where should this recognition express itself? on mtv, usa today? how many people know stephen king? and how many know malcolm lowry? all those you mention are more or less known to people into this music. some will reach a certain status as innovators, some will be forgotten. some will blow up by accident because the time is right and/or because they work towards it. maybe this has sometimes to do with the quality and the aim of their work too? to blame it all on the circumstances seems to me as banal as the opposite, which is to blame it all on the lack of marketing skills. tp has a relatively huge fanbase in germany because of his djing. all of his records i know of are mediocre. alan oldham's stuff lacks originality big time. just to be a detroiter and having started in 1988 is not enough. theo parrish moodymann are in the game since what, 5 years? and they are veritable stars in their circles already. but they don't produce music that can be played in a handy-dandy friday night house-set, which is a precondition for global recognition. i think one has to refrain from taking popmusic as a reference, because it is subjected to mechanisms that lie beyond the music. one has to play to these rules if one wants to be constantly successful. one has to adapt and deny oneself constantly. success is the only criteria for the value of this type of shit. self-esteem is not supposed to grow because of one's name in the paper or a certain number on one's bank statement, but because one feels that he/she is doing the right thing and maybe because one lifts the artform to new heights. the name all over the paper and the big bucks in the bank are most of the time and as long as this capitalist etc society stands a sign that one submitted adapted oneself successfully to the expectations of society. same as good marks at school. same as any institutional or mainstream recognition. in this sense most of the time mainstream success can be used as a sign for irrelevance. despite the subject of this so far lame thread i'm not touching concrete exploitation repression of black people in the usa. i'm not very familiar with the details. black history month seems a cynical joke to me though. basta! armin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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- Original Message - From: Arne Weinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [313] Black techno artists Again: Is it really a question of the colour of the skin? This was discussed before. Arne, With no disrespect intended (I really love your music and your contributions to the list), I think a lot of Europeans have trouble relating to racial problems in the US (well, many Americans still believe in a color-blind uptopia too). Even some critical race theorists posit a future in which we can look *beyond* the color of one's skin (and this doesn't mean ignoring it). But at the moment, at least in America, this remains a utopian vision and not a reality. Case in point: racial injustice is still so pronounced in the US (and the evidence is still very clear today) that we have a month dedicated to celebration of African-American history, and more intensive educational focus on that neglected perspective on American and global history. So without re-hashing the debate about whether or not race is or should be an issue still in the US (or on this list), I would hope we could at least pay respect to Gerald's idea that we could recognize current influential African-American electronic music producers/DJs. It's a timely topic. Titonton's a great example! ...and like Gerald said, how about Europe? I for one, wouldn't know the color of a lot of European producer's skin to even comment. Tristan -- http://www.mp313.com - Music http://www.metrotechno.net - DC techno + more http://www.metatrackstudios.com - DC DJ/Production studios http://phonopsia.tripod.com - Hub [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email FrogboyMCI - AOL Instant Messenger - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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With no disrespect intended (I really love your music and your contributions to the list), I think a lot of Europeans have trouble relating to racial problems in the US this is so offtopic again, but im asking my self how we europeans cant understand a racial problem in us, and again everything we do (in smaller countreys) is so not democratic and we always live on some teritory of economic sanctions, but we have to understand a rical problem in US. im confused i have a very big respect for black artist, and realy i dont have any problems with black or white. but i dont have any need to understand problems in US, at the same time that somebody from US have no need to understand problems that we have, or we had and lets take that off this list... music learnd me to be tolerant b. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello Tristan! First of all I don't want to start a mess or something! Really not! I didn't knew about the celebration month for African-American history. Maybe I'm a dreamer but I also hope that there will be a color-blind utopia. I just was scared about another senseless discussion about which color is doing the better music. I remember a discussion some months ago. Somebody posted that real 313 related music should not be produced by white people. I don't want to read such messages anymore! Sorry if anybody feels angry about it! Arne Subject: Re: [313] Black techno artists Again: Is it really a question of the colour of the skin? This was discussed before. Arne, With no disrespect intended (I really love your music and your contributions to the list), I think a lot of Europeans have trouble relating to racial problems in the US (well, many Americans still believe in a color-blind uptopia too). Even some critical race theorists posit a future in which we can look *beyond* the color of one's skin (and this doesn't mean ignoring it). But at the moment, at least in America, this remains a utopian vision and not a reality. Case in point: racial injustice is still so pronounced in the US (and the evidence is still very clear today) that we have a month dedicated to celebration of African-American history, and more intensive educational focus on that neglected perspective on American and global history. So without re-hashing the debate about whether or not race is or should be an issue still in the US (or on this list), I would hope we could at least pay respect to Gerald's idea that we could recognize current influential African-American electronic music producers/DJs. It's a timely topic. Titonton's a great example! ...and like Gerald said, how about Europe? I for one, wouldn't know the color of a lot of European producer's skin to even comment. Tristan -- http://www.mp313.com - Music http://www.metrotechno.net - DC techno + more http://www.metatrackstudios.com - DC DJ/Production studios http://phonopsia.tripod.com - Hub [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email FrogboyMCI - AOL Instant Messenger Arne Weinberg KEYNOTE Rec. formerly known as GROUND ZERO Rec. / STARBABY Rec. *** - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Black techno artists
- Original Message - From: Berislav Oremus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 2:06 AM Subject: Re: [313] Black techno artists With no disrespect intended (I really love your music and your contributions to the list), I think a lot of Europeans have trouble relating to racial problems in the US this is so offtopic again, but im asking my self how we europeans cant understand a racial problem in us, and again everything we do (in smaller countreys) is so not democratic and we always live on some teritory of economic sanctions, but we have to understand a rical problem in US. im confused i have a very big respect for black artist, and realy i dont have any problems with black or white. but i dont have any need to understand problems in US, at the same time that somebody from US have no need to understand problems that we have, or we had and lets take that off this list... music learnd me to be tolerant The only reason I'm not taking this off list, is b/c I know how racial threads on 313 spiral. I am feeling every word that you're saying in terms of US imperialism abroad, but what I think a lot of Europeans (and color-blind Americans) have trouble seeing is that the history of oppression in America *to its own people* is still a living factor here (as witnessed by too man examples to cite). This is clearly not the right forum to go into a history of race relations in the US, but I just wanted to clarify my point, that engrained capitalistic-patriarchal-white supremasist societal forces (as Bell Hooks would have it - and I happen to think she's right) are very different than white supremacist attitudes *in the specific*. These would be the same societal forces encouraging US imperialism abroad. Black History month is a recognition of a lineage of historical oppression in the US (and the triumphs that overcome these forces) that is still not dead - and it has a critical value to many citizens concerned with the reversal of these wrongs. We should respect that for what it is - regardless of how poorly I may have outlined its importance. The reason why I specifically pinpointed Europeans is because race relations (although still problematic) in Europe, do not operate in the same way that they do in the US, and since this list is mostly Euro-American I commented as such. I'd be glad to go into more detail off-list if anyone doubts the differences between American and European race realtions. Sorry to be so Americocentric with this post, but it's (to my knowledge) the only place where Black History month is acknowledged (other than Canada???), and I think awareness of all that the symbolism of this calendrial occurence means should be amplified, not censored. And yes, music can be an incredibly powerful force in teaching tollerance, but this is at an individual level, which is so much different than understanding the societal forces that come to bear on the racially disenfranchised in the US, or imperialistic forces abroad. Tristan -- http://www.mp313.com - Music http://www.metrotechno.net - DC techno + more http://www.metatrackstudios.com - DC DJ/Production studios http://phonopsia.tripod.com - Hub [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email FrogboyMCI - AOL Instant Messenger - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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at the risk of being slated, how can so many people remove the context of this music. it comes from a society and a place that has been a long time marginalised. and, you will find the same problems in any european country you decide to venture into. you cannot divorce the artists' experience from their music and to deny that race is an issue for this music is well, frankly, weird. why the dismissiveness towards this subject? would you look at a piece of art without wondering about its social and historical context, would you read a book and take it only at face value? i know many people on the list feel this subject has been talked to death, but it hasn't. it is still relevant and unresolved. how can you say you have no need to understand problems of the US, they are our problems too and the cultural and policitical and economic hegemonies of the US run the entire world. do you want us to be programmed and passive forever? there, i've had my say, criticise if you will. N -Original Message- From: Berislav Oremus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org Date: 09 February 2002 07:07 Subject: Re: [313] Black techno artists With no disrespect intended (I really love your music and your contributions to the list), I think a lot of Europeans have trouble relating to racial problems in the US this is so offtopic again, but im asking my self how we europeans cant understand a racial problem in us, and again everything we do (in smaller countreys) is so not democratic and we always live on some teritory of economic sanctions, but we have to understand a rical problem in US. im confused i have a very big respect for black artist, and realy i dont have any problems with black or white. but i dont have any need to understand problems in US, at the same time that somebody from US have no need to understand problems that we have, or we had and lets take that off this list... music learnd me to be tolerant b. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Black techno artists
Right on!! Can't say it better myself. =) Have a nice day! g. If you ain't feelin' it, this ain't for you! --Steve Harvey (Kings of Comedy) Nicole Slavin wrote: at the risk of being slated, how can so many people remove the context of this music. it comes from a society and a place that has been a long time marginalised. and, you will find the same problems in any european country you decide to venture into. you cannot divorce the artists' experience from their music and to deny that race is an issue for this music is well, frankly, weird. why the dismissiveness towards this subject? would you look at a piece of art without wondering about its social and historical context, would you read a book and take it only at face value? i know many people on the list feel this subject has been talked to death, but it hasn't. it is still relevant and unresolved. how can you say you have no need to understand problems of the US, they are our problems too and the cultural and policitical and economic hegemonies of the US run the entire world. do you want us to be programmed and passive forever? there, i've had my say, criticise if you will. N -Original Message- From: Berislav Oremus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org Date: 09 February 2002 07:07 Subject: Re: [313] Black techno artists With no disrespect intended (I really love your music and your contributions to the list), I think a lot of Europeans have trouble relating to racial problems in the US this is so offtopic again, but im asking my self how we europeans cant understand a racial problem in us, and again everything we do (in smaller countreys) is so not democratic and we always live on some teritory of economic sanctions, but we have to understand a rical problem in US. im confused i have a very big respect for black artist, and realy i dont have any problems with black or white. but i dont have any need to understand problems in US, at the same time that somebody from US have no need to understand problems that we have, or we had and lets take that off this list... music learnd me to be tolerant b. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Black techno artists
Again: Is it really a question of the colour of the skin? This was discussed before. Cheers, Arne Gerald schrieb: Figured since it's Black History Month... Just wanted to hear about Black artists and their influence on the music we all know and love TECHNO. Now we all know about the role a few Detroiter's had in the beginning. I'm more interested in hearing about more recent influences. Guys like Titonton Duvante, and Charles Noel come to mind. How about Europe? Anyone...? G - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Arne Weinberg KEYNOTE Rec. formerly known as GROUND ZERO Rec. / STARBABY Rec. *** - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
