Re: What this list is and isn't about

[cnd]

Or asymmetrical politeness of gentlemen towards the fairer sex? Xx

On 2020-07-05 03:29, Edward Thompson wrote:

Im sure your time would be much better spent on a forum discussing the
benefits of marxism and why it is the only way forward for all and if
anyone disagrees they are a racist and should be silenced,
Please Kent...

On Wednesday, July 1, 2020, Denise Dalphond 
wrote:


Kent said he was gonna unsubscribe me. He didn’t. Still waiting on
that to happen.

I expect people to be compassionate, but you shouldn’t have
expectations.

I’m tired of being tone policed, especially when no men are being
told how to speak. --
Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
ethnomusicologist
schoolcraftwax.work [1]



Links:
--
[1] http://schoolcraftwax.work

Re: What this list is and isn't about

[Edward Thompson]

Im sure your time would be much better spent on a forum discussing the
benefits of marxism and why it is the only way forward for all and if
anyone disagrees they are a racist and should be silenced,
Please Kent...


On Wednesday, July 1, 2020, Denise Dalphond 
wrote:

> Kent said he was gonna unsubscribe me. He didn’t. Still waiting on that to
> happen.
>
> I expect people to be compassionate, but you shouldn’t have expectations.
>
> I’m tired of being tone policed, especially when no men are being told how
> to speak.
> --
> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
> ethnomusicologist
> schoolcraftwax.work
>

Re: What this list is and isn't about

[Sjoerd]

*mutters something about 'ur lives matter'*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frUWziA1yHM

On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 20:56, Denise Dalphond 
wrote:

> Joe, I blocked you a long time ago, too. It takes a lot of effort to sort
> through your loony messages. Which racist group? White people?
>
>
>
> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
> *ethnomusicologist*
> *schoolcraftwax.work *
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 2:40 PM Rob Taylor 
> wrote:
>
>> Very familiar, hence the comment. Please stop with this both Joe and
>> Denise.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 30 Jun 2020, at 19:26, Rob Taylor 
>> wrote:
>>
>> It is. Wtf.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 30 Jun 2020, at 19:07, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Not sure if you’re familiar with the context with that racist group and
>> Karen’s actions here.  Apparently not?
>>
>> If so you’d see that my comment was spot on.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:04 AM Daniel Bean 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This sounds quite racist.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 6:59 PM Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>>
 Don’t you have a black Hebrew Israelite rally to attend as the
 designated foot-kisser??



 On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:57 AM Denise Dalphond <
 denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Oh wow. I skim emails out of habit from being a mom in graduate school
> all those years. Somebody said I have a penis? No. I just remind you how
> small and skinny yours is. Or my alphaness just makes it limp. Either way,
> you’re too short.
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:45 PM The Archiver <
> thearchi...@thearchiver.net> wrote:
>
>> Can you close the door on your way out...
>>
>>
>>
>> On 30 Jun 2020, at 17:52, Denise Dalphond 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I’m still on the list, yo.
>>
>> This list is about making a huge deal about something and then not
>> doing it.
>>
>> Have you just been listening to DJ Hyperactive instead of dealing
>> with Hyperreal, Dan Sicko? Oh I mean Kent.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:36 AM kent williams <
>> chaircrus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> 1. Detroit techno music
>>> 2. Detroit house music
>>> 3. Music inspired by Detroint techno and house music
>>> 4. Ghettotech & Jit.
>>> 5. The people who make 1-4
>>> 6. The social and political context of 1-5
>>>
>>> What it isn't about:
>>> 1. Any individual list member unless they're in #5 above
>>> 2. The list admin.
>>>
>>> Since you're coming for me in particular.
>>> 0. "Corn music" - are you having a laugh?
>>> 1. "With all due respect" is a euphemism for "You supreme bell-end"
>>> "No offense" means "I'm going to be offensive."
>>> 2. I have made 3 albums and several EPs and I generally don't bring
>>> them up here. While I count Detroit music as a huge influence, my music 
>>> has
>>> diverged from anything that could be called techno, so I've made myself
>>> off-topic.
>>> 3. I have the job of list administrator (not moderator) because no
>>> one else wanted it.  I do the best I can and if you don't like it,
>>> unsubscribe. I posted instructions on how to do so the other day in the
>>> spirit of "Let me google that for you."
>>> 4. Do you mean "Langer" as in slang for penis?   That comment seems
>>> out of order on several levels.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:52 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
>>>
 I'm with Kevin and Denise on this one.

 This is a list about dark black music and rhythm control. With all
 due
 respect, a single mod who makes corn music doesn't really cut in
 politically.

 Noi offense Eamonn but at least Denise has a langer ;-)

 cheers

 C


 --
>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
>> ethnomusicologist
>> schoolcraftwax.work
>>
>> --
> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
> ethnomusicologist
> schoolcraftwax.work
>

Re: What this list is and isn't about

[Denise Dalphond]

It is nice. I didn’t send out the friend requests. All those people found
me. Many of them studied at Oxford University. I don’t know what that’s
about, although I am published through Oxford University Press. About
Detroit techno.

R U trying 2 say it’s very techno of me that I have all those friends?

I’m not really inviting you, Mario, 2 “connect.” I don’t hang out with ppl
that is into rape culture. It’s to anyone on this list who wants to read my
shit. How many ppl R on this list? More than a thousand? Maybe. That’s a
lot of ppl that may be into what I write.



On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:35 PM Mario De Block  wrote:

> that's an amazing, even interstellar increase in fb 'friends' you have,
> recently, as far as I know... Can one buy friends, on a way to 'global
> fame'?
>
> Anyway: why should I connect/follow up so closely on someone who's blocked
> me mailwise? I'm not cynical or lacking enough self-respect for that, I
> think. I'm open for wise, healthy contacts that feel safe and warm enough,
> and are mutually learnful and stimulating, personally. Yet, I do browse
> sometimes. One may find interesting stuff some time. The visit on Twitter
> was learnful on how you look upon the 313 list and many of its members. I
> don't feel included in all that.
>
> M.
> --
> *Van:* Denise Dalphond 
> *Verzonden:* woensdag 1 juli 2020 3:20
> *Aan:* Mario De Block ; 313@hyperreal.org <
> 313@hyperreal.org>
> *Onderwerp:* Re: What this list is and isn't about
>
>
> Here's my IG: https://www.instagram.com/schoolcraftwax
>
> And here's my FB: https://www.facebook.com/dalphond
>
> I'm maxed out on FB friends, but everything is public. You don't miss out
> on anything if we can't be friends.
>
> I try to be a public educator on the internet.
>
>
> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
> *ethnomusicologist*
> *schoolcraftwax.work*
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:11 PM Mario De Block 
> wrote:
>
>
> don't try to tell me having problems here, then - it's you yourself having 
> blocked
> me, with no reasoning. Especially not after my second mail. I didn't
> invite you on talking about rape culture. I only indicated it was an unjust
> suggestive point you tried to make.
>
> By the way, I nuanced what you didn't yourself. You tweeted, for instance:
>
> the 313 listserv is a place where racists & sexists thrive.
>
> the 313 Detroit techno listserv is a place where whitesplaining is the
> name of the game. & if you don't whitesplain & don't support the
> whitesplainers full tilt, you're villainous.
>
> techno and toxic whiteness are BFF. boyfriends 4ever.
>
> the 313 listserv is a place where mostly elderly white men will tell you who
> to listen to and who to like and what to think about it.
>
> on the 313 Detroit techno listserv, i'm accused, by kent williams, the elderly
> white man moderator, of making the list a shadow of what it used 2B. it's
> been dead [Skull] 4 years. boring AF. it's a shadow of its own death.
>
>
> I mean... The 313 list might better be (passively or actively) supported
> by its members, instead of openly accused of such behaviour, right?
>
> What do the other members think of this?
>
> I'm quite sure that anyone who's able to communicate constructively or at 
> least
> neutrally in an interpersonal sense (which is simply due as long as anyone
> doesn't cross lines with someone else), is welcome here. Of whatever 
> nationality,
> age, being a he/she/they, and with any possible skin colour or religion.
> As long as the love for Detroit and its culture is a structural link.
> And whoever crosses lines in whatever sense to anyone, should be able (or 
> brave
> enough) to be confronted with that, get into a righteous exchange, and take
> any eventual apt message, to get straight with facts and people. They
>  should not be blocked or unsubbed necessarily, but anyone in such interaction
> should be or feel invited to get into fair overthinking and conclusion, based
> on healthy exchange - with anyone being free of personal conclusion, but
> not free of interpersonal respect. Unless anything bad will take over and
> gets installed. A forum only exists by grace of anyone's constructive b
> ehaviour.
>
> This, at least, is my way of looking upon this.
>
> Mario
> --
> *Van:* Denise Dalphond 
> *Verzonden:* woensdag 1 juli 2020 2:37
> *Aan:* Mario De Block 
> *CC:* Kevin Kennedy ; list 313 <313@hyperreal.org>
> *Onderwerp:* Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about
>
> All my internet is public cause I’m tryin to get globally famous. Tell
> your friends. I don’t need to talk to you about rape culture, bro. I need
> to be able to talk about music in a safe environment, which this ain’t. I’m
> thankful for social networks.
>
> Read on.
>
>
> --
Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
ethnomusicologist
schoolcraftwax.work

Re: What this list is and isn't about

[Mario De Block]

that's an amazing, even interstellar increase in fb 'friends' you have, 
recently, as far as I know... Can one buy friends, on a way to 'global fame'?

Anyway: why should I connect/follow up so closely on someone who's blocked me 
mailwise? I'm not cynical or lacking enough self-respect for that, I think. I'm 
open for wise, healthy contacts that feel safe and warm enough, and are 
mutually learnful and stimulating, personally. Yet, I do browse sometimes. One 
may find interesting stuff some time. The visit on Twitter was learnful on how 
you look upon the 313 list and many of its members. I don't feel included in 
all that.

M.

Van: Denise Dalphond 
Verzonden: woensdag 1 juli 2020 3:20
Aan: Mario De Block ; 313@hyperreal.org <313@hyperreal.org>
Onderwerp: Re: What this list is and isn't about


Here's my IG: 
https://www.instagram.com/schoolcraftwax<https://www.instagram.com/schoolcraftwax/?hl=en>

And here's my FB: https://www.facebook.com/dalphond

I'm maxed out on FB friends, but everything is public. You don't miss out on 
anything if we can't be friends.

I try to be a public educator on the internet.


Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.
ethnomusicologist
schoolcraftwax.work<http://schoolcraftwax.work>


On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:11 PM Mario De Block 
mailto:madb...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

don't try to tell me having problems here, then - it's you yourself having 
blocked me, with no reasoning. Especially not after my second mail. I didn't 
invite you on talking about rape culture. I only indicated it was an unjust 
suggestive point you tried to make.

By the way, I nuanced what you didn't yourself. You tweeted, for instance:

the 313 listserv is a place where racists & sexists thrive.

the 313 Detroit techno listserv is a place where whitesplaining is the name of 
the game. & if you don't whitesplain & don't support the whitesplainers full 
tilt, you're villainous.

techno and toxic whiteness are BFF. boyfriends 4ever.

the 313 listserv is a place where mostly elderly white men will tell you who to 
listen to and who to like and what to think about it.

on the 313 Detroit techno listserv, i'm accused, by kent williams, the elderly 
white man moderator, of making the list a shadow of what it used 2B. it's been 
dead [Skull] 4 years. boring AF. it's a shadow of its own death.


I mean... The 313 list might better be (passively or actively) supported by its 
members, instead of openly accused of such behaviour, right?

What do the other members think of this?

I'm quite sure that anyone who's able to communicate constructively or at least 
neutrally in an interpersonal sense (which is simply due as long as anyone 
doesn't cross lines with someone else), is welcome here. Of whatever 
nationality, age, being a he/she/they, and with any possible skin colour or 
religion. As long as the love for Detroit and its culture is a structural link.
And whoever crosses lines in whatever sense to anyone, should be able (or brave 
enough) to be confronted with that, get into a righteous exchange, and take any 
eventual apt message, to get straight with facts and people. They
 should not be blocked or unsubbed necessarily, but anyone in such interaction 
should be or feel invited to get into fair overthinking and conclusion, based 
on healthy exchange - with anyone being free of personal conclusion, but not 
free of interpersonal respect. Unless anything bad will take over and gets 
installed. A forum only exists by grace of anyone's constructive behaviour.

This, at least, is my way of looking upon this.

Mario

Van: Denise Dalphond mailto:denisedalph...@gmail.com>>
Verzonden: woensdag 1 juli 2020 2:37
Aan: Mario De Block mailto:madb...@hotmail.com>>
CC: Kevin Kennedy mailto:the...@gmail.com>>; list 313 
<313@hyperreal.org<mailto:313@hyperreal.org>>
Onderwerp: Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about

All my internet is public cause I’m tryin to get globally famous. Tell your 
friends. I don’t need to talk to you about rape culture, bro. I need to be able 
to talk about music in a safe environment, which this ain’t. I’m thankful for 
social networks.

Read on.

Re: What this list is and isn't about

[Denise Dalphond]

Here's my IG: https://www.instagram.com/schoolcraftwax
<https://www.instagram.com/schoolcraftwax/?hl=en>

And here's my FB: https://www.facebook.com/dalphond

I'm maxed out on FB friends, but everything is public. You don't miss out
on anything if we can't be friends.

I try to be a public educator on the internet.


*Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
*ethnomusicologist*
*schoolcraftwax.work <http://schoolcraftwax.work>*


On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:11 PM Mario De Block  wrote:

>
> don't try to tell me having problems here, then - it's you yourself having 
> blocked
> me, with no reasoning. Especially not after my second mail. I didn't
> invite you on talking about rape culture. I only indicated it was an unjust
> suggestive point you tried to make.
>
> By the way, I nuanced what you didn't yourself. You tweeted, for instance:
>
> the 313 listserv is a place where racists & sexists thrive.
>
> the 313 Detroit techno listserv is a place where whitesplaining is the
> name of the game. & if you don't whitesplain & don't support the
> whitesplainers full tilt, you're villainous.
>
> techno and toxic whiteness are BFF. boyfriends 4ever.
>
> the 313 listserv is a place where mostly elderly white men will tell you who
> to listen to and who to like and what to think about it.
>
> on the 313 Detroit techno listserv, i'm accused, by kent williams, the elderly
> white man moderator, of making the list a shadow of what it used 2B. it's
> been dead [Skull] 4 years. boring AF. it's a shadow of its own death.
>
>
> I mean... The 313 list might better be (passively or actively) supported
> by its members, instead of openly accused of such behaviour, right?
>
> What do the other members think of this?
>
> I'm quite sure that anyone who's able to communicate constructively or at 
> least
> neutrally in an interpersonal sense (which is simply due as long as anyone
> doesn't cross lines with someone else), is welcome here. Of whatever 
> nationality,
> age, being a he/she/they, and with any possible skin colour or religion.
> As long as the love for Detroit and its culture is a structural link.
> And whoever crosses lines in whatever sense to anyone, should be able (or 
> brave
> enough) to be confronted with that, get into a righteous exchange, and take
> any eventual apt message, to get straight with facts and people. They
>  should not be blocked or unsubbed necessarily, but anyone in such interaction
> should be or feel invited to get into fair overthinking and conclusion, based
> on healthy exchange - with anyone being free of personal conclusion, but
> not free of interpersonal respect. Unless anything bad will take over and
> gets installed. A forum only exists by grace of anyone's constructive b
> ehaviour.
>
> This, at least, is my way of looking upon this.
>
> Mario
> ------
> *Van:* Denise Dalphond 
> *Verzonden:* woensdag 1 juli 2020 2:37
> *Aan:* Mario De Block 
> *CC:* Kevin Kennedy ; list 313 <313@hyperreal.org>
> *Onderwerp:* Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about
>
> All my internet is public cause I’m tryin to get globally famous. Tell
> your friends. I don’t need to talk to you about rape culture, bro. I need
> to be able to talk about music in a safe environment, which this ain’t. I’m
> thankful for social networks.
>
> Read on.
>
>
>

Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about

[Denise Dalphond]

All my internet is public cause I’m tryin to get globally famous. Tell your
friends. I don’t need to talk to you about rape culture, bro. I need to be
able to talk about music in a safe environment, which this ain’t. I’m
thankful for social networks.

Read on.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 8:26 PM Mario De Block  wrote:

> the moment you blocked me, was after I confronted you with having crossed
> a line with you openly suggesting we'd be supporting rape culture here.
> This, to me, is an example of an unhealthy proposition.
>
> You blocked me, instead of getting into a worthy, adultered discussion, to
> clear out on things. I wrote you back, later on, to try and clarify I'm not
> into rape culture, in any slightest sense. Not any atom in my body would
> think about raping anyone.
> Still, this did not change your attitude.
>
> Why explicitly supposing we'd support rape culture?
>
> Your public Twitter rants of late (all dated June 25th for some reason)
> state this 313 list is much too full of racists and sexists.
>
> That's another form of projecting - beyond boundaries, again.
>
>
> Mario
> --
> *Van:* Denise Dalphond 
> *Verzonden:* woensdag 1 juli 2020 2:17
> *Aan:* Mario De Block 
> *CC:* Kevin Kennedy ; list 313 <313@hyperreal.org>
> *Onderwerp:* Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about
>
> Not after I’ve been called names and silenced over and over again. If I
> had to block you, then you have problems. Mario, I’m writing this from my
> spam folder as I blocked you a long time ago, as well.
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 8:14 PM Mario De Block 
> wrote:
>
> Kent proposed that, indeed.
> Later on, you wrote: Take me off the list.
>
> Being able to be compassionate still requires some form of equivalency in
> communication, in leaving equal space for anyone involved. It requires
> being able to be vulnerable, too, and showing this, as to be honest if and
> where sensitive spots are touched. It requires everyone involved to want to
> bridge eventual differences in any relevant sense, with no structural
> haughtiness -nor fixed minority complex- from anyone's side, as this would
> complicate a healthy exchange. It requires well-conscious and
> self-conscious communication between people.
>
>
> My writing aimed at anyone interested and open to it, regardless of
> gender.
>
> Mario
>
>
> ------
> *Van:* Denise Dalphond 
> *Verzonden:* woensdag 1 juli 2020 2:01
> *Aan:* Kevin Kennedy 
> *CC:* list 313 <313@hyperreal.org>
> *Onderwerp:* Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about
>
> Kent said he was gonna unsubscribe me. He didn’t. Still waiting on that to
> happen.
>
> I expect people to be compassionate, but you shouldn’t have expectations.
>
> I’m tired of being tone policed, especially when no men are being told how
> to speak.
>
> --
> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
> ethnomusicologist
> schoolcraftwax.work
>
> --
> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
> ethnomusicologist
> schoolcraftwax.work
>
-- 
Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
ethnomusicologist
schoolcraftwax.work

Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about

[Mario De Block]

the moment you blocked me, was after I confronted you with having crossed a 
line with you openly suggesting we'd be supporting rape culture here. This, to 
me, is an example of an unhealthy proposition.

You blocked me, instead of getting into a worthy, adultered discussion, to 
clear out on things. I wrote you back, later on, to try and clarify I'm not 
into rape culture, in any slightest sense. Not any atom in my body would think 
about raping anyone.
Still, this did not change your attitude.

Why explicitly supposing we'd support rape culture?

Your public Twitter rants of late (all dated June 25th for some reason) state 
this 313 list is much too full of racists and sexists.

That's another form of projecting - beyond boundaries, again.


Mario

Van: Denise Dalphond 
Verzonden: woensdag 1 juli 2020 2:17
Aan: Mario De Block 
CC: Kevin Kennedy ; list 313 <313@hyperreal.org>
Onderwerp: Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about

Not after I’ve been called names and silenced over and over again. If I had to 
block you, then you have problems. Mario, I’m writing this from my spam folder 
as I blocked you a long time ago, as well.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 8:14 PM Mario De Block 
mailto:madb...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Kent proposed that, indeed.
Later on, you wrote: Take me off the list.

Being able to be compassionate still requires some form of equivalency in 
communication, in leaving equal space for anyone involved. It requires being 
able to be vulnerable, too, and showing this, as to be honest if and where 
sensitive spots are touched. It requires everyone involved to want to bridge 
eventual differences in any relevant sense, with no structural haughtiness -nor 
fixed minority complex- from anyone's side, as this would complicate a healthy 
exchange. It requires well-conscious and self-conscious communication between 
people.


My writing aimed at anyone interested and open to it, regardless of gender.

Mario



Van: Denise Dalphond 
Verzonden: woensdag 1 juli 2020 2:01
Aan: Kevin Kennedy 
CC: list 313 <313@hyperreal.org>
Onderwerp: Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about

Kent said he was gonna unsubscribe me. He didn’t. Still waiting on that to 
happen.

I expect people to be compassionate, but you shouldn’t have expectations.

I’m tired of being tone policed, especially when no men are being told how to 
speak.
--
Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
ethnomusicologist
schoolcraftwax.work
--
Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
ethnomusicologist
schoolcraftwax.work<http://schoolcraftwax.work>

Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about

[Denise Dalphond]

Not after I’ve been called names and silenced over and over again. If I had
to block you, then you have problems. Mario, I’m writing this from my spam
folder as I blocked you a long time ago, as well.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 8:14 PM Mario De Block  wrote:

> Kent proposed that, indeed.
> Later on, you wrote: Take me off the list.
>
> Being able to be compassionate still requires some form of equivalency in
> communication, in leaving equal space for anyone involved. It requires
> being able to be vulnerable, too, and showing this, as to be honest if and
> where sensitive spots are touched. It requires everyone involved to want to
> bridge eventual differences in any relevant sense, with no structural
> haughtiness -nor fixed minority complex- from anyone's side, as this would
> complicate a healthy exchange. It requires well-conscious and
> self-conscious communication between people.
>
>
> My writing aimed at anyone interested and open to it, regardless of
> gender.
>
> Mario
>
>
> --
> *Van:* Denise Dalphond 
> *Verzonden:* woensdag 1 juli 2020 2:01
> *Aan:* Kevin Kennedy 
> *CC:* list 313 <313@hyperreal.org>
> *Onderwerp:* Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about
>
> Kent said he was gonna unsubscribe me. He didn’t. Still waiting on that to
> happen.
>
> I expect people to be compassionate, but you shouldn’t have expectations.
>
> I’m tired of being tone policed, especially when no men are being told how
> to speak.
> --
> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
> ethnomusicologist
> schoolcraftwax.work
>
-- 
Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
ethnomusicologist
schoolcraftwax.work

Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about

[Mario De Block]

Kent proposed that, indeed.
Later on, you wrote: Take me off the list.

Being able to be compassionate still requires some form of equivalency in 
communication, in leaving equal space for anyone involved. It requires being 
able to be vulnerable, too, and showing this, as to be honest if and where 
sensitive spots are touched. It requires everyone involved to want to bridge 
eventual differences in any relevant sense, with no structural haughtiness -nor 
fixed minority complex- from anyone's side, as this would complicate a healthy 
exchange. It requires well-conscious and self-conscious communication between 
people.


My writing aimed at anyone interested and open to it, regardless of gender.

Mario



Van: Denise Dalphond 
Verzonden: woensdag 1 juli 2020 2:01
Aan: Kevin Kennedy 
CC: list 313 <313@hyperreal.org>
Onderwerp: Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about

Kent said he was gonna unsubscribe me. He didn’t. Still waiting on that to 
happen.

I expect people to be compassionate, but you shouldn’t have expectations.

I’m tired of being tone policed, especially when no men are being told how to 
speak.
--
Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
ethnomusicologist
schoolcraftwax.work<http://schoolcraftwax.work>

Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about

[Denise Dalphond]

Kent said he was gonna unsubscribe me. He didn’t. Still waiting on that to
happen.

I expect people to be compassionate, but you shouldn’t have expectations.

I’m tired of being tone policed, especially when no men are being told how
to speak.
-- 
Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
ethnomusicologist
schoolcraftwax.work

Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about

[Mario De Block]

and, as I was gently suggested by a constructive member: I mean he/she/they 
before, when I (honestly) tried to include people non-exclusively male or 
female, with an X mark (being used in some languages and concepts, still, but I 
take suggestions well in that matter).

M.

Van: Mario De Block 
Verzonden: woensdag 1 juli 2020 1:36
Aan: Kevin Kennedy ; list 313 <313@hyperreal.org>
Onderwerp: Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about


sure,
"Play some records, make some music, play that game on your phone that you 
downloaded and haven't tried yet...Heck, find something!"

Did that, and enjoyed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rBIBy7ytyM. But doing 
all this by ourselves doesn't speak volumes on the forum as such, . That's 
where communication starts. As I wrote just before. Starting with good 
intentions, with responsability, with a tiny bit of consciousness on what you 
write and what one will read. And correcting oneself if gaps or worse arise 
between members.

I simply, but conscientiously wrote what I did, inviting whatever person of 
whatever gender or X person to stop aiming below someone else's belt - which is 
a prime sexist trade, to me, in whatever direction- and to stop such crap. That 
simple call for simple and correct interpersonal behaviour again was received 
in total misunderstanding. Not any haughty, unjust projection should have any 
place here. It's the essence of maintaining a forum in correct spirit.

And if someone openly communicates a request to be unsubbed, his or her wish 
should be fulfilled, if the already guided link to do so autonomously should 
not work for itself.

We're here for the music, mainly, not for projecting whatever that's unjust and 
incorrect, and leaving others trying to cope with the distortions coming with 
that. One may have a bad day, or two, but not work it our interpersonally here 
(or wherever).


M.

Van: Kevin Kennedy 
Verzonden: woensdag 1 juli 2020 1:05
Aan: list 313 <313@hyperreal.org>
Onderwerp: Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about

Joe:

   You're not helping.  Not at all.  Please keep your sideshow baiting antics 
elsewhere before this turns into a roast-of you.  I will bring up the Detroit 
tradition of 'snapping' on you if necessary.  You've hung out with some of the 
Detroit family...you CAN get roasted, salted and shook...then sold by the bag 
for peanuts.

Denise:  This may be fun to you to antagonize others today-but I'd absolutely 
love to see better from someone who is a respected academic.  One of the many 
themes of Detroit Techno is escapism, maybe we should all consider escaping 
from arguing about politics and who said what and semantics.  At the end, all 
our coffins will be the same size (or our urn a similar amount of ashes).

Second, y'all mfers name-calling and picking fights aren't sh!t.  Be an adult 
please...and miss me all the way with the 'well she started it' BS.

Sometimes it's better to sit on your hands until they're numb than type out hot 
garbage that will be a permanent record.

Play some records, make some music, play that game on your phone that you 
downloaded and haven't tried yet...Heck, find something!

 Because in my opinion, the above is extremely counterproductive.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:50 PM Mario De Block 
mailto:madb...@hotmail.com>> wrote:


oh boy/girl/X (and I write X as to write inclusively here - at no specific 
person in that sense, if present)

Denise. Stop centering yourself endlessly. I conscientiously wrote whatever 
gender has whatever under the belt. You yourself ranted at whoever being shaped 
to small for you.

Look what you wrote a few hours ago. Look what you write. I don't take that. 
Return to sender.

M.

Van: Denise Dalphond mailto:denisedalph...@gmail.com>>
Verzonden: woensdag 1 juli 2020 0:45
Aan: Mario De Block mailto:madb...@hotmail.com>>
CC: Daniel Bean mailto:danbean@gmail.com>>; Joe 
Marougi mailto:jmaro...@gmail.com>>; Rob Taylor 
mailto:barringtonphelo...@gmail.com>>; The 
Archiver mailto:thearchi...@thearchiver.net>>; U 
Design mailto:uandidesigndetr...@gmail.com>>; 
list 313 <313@hyperreal.org<mailto:313@hyperreal.org>>
Onderwerp: Re: What this list is and isn't about

Why is anyone on this list concerned with my genitals? I don’t understand. 
You’ll never get close to them. Maybe you wanna go talk to a therapist.

When someone tells you they’re female and you still say he or X, it makes me 
think you’re stupid.

Oftentimes, people that act homophobic and sexist, also act racist.






On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:35 PM Mario De Block 
mailto:madb...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
anything D-related (in broad sense) would be welcome for me, on this forum - 
Kent proposals did well for that?
But why would anyone post snide comments, that freeze the atmosphere? 
Regardless of what he/she/X

Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about

[Mario De Block]

sure,
"Play some records, make some music, play that game on your phone that you 
downloaded and haven't tried yet...Heck, find something!"

Did that, and enjoyed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rBIBy7ytyM. But doing 
all this by ourselves doesn't speak volumes on the forum as such, . That's 
where communication starts. As I wrote just before. Starting with good 
intentions, with responsability, with a tiny bit of consciousness on what you 
write and what one will read. And correcting oneself if gaps or worse arise 
between members.

I simply, but conscientiously wrote what I did, inviting whatever person of 
whatever gender or X person to stop aiming below someone else's belt - which is 
a prime sexist trade, to me, in whatever direction- and to stop such crap. That 
simple call for simple and correct interpersonal behaviour again was received 
in total misunderstanding. Not any haughty, unjust projection should have any 
place here. It's the essence of maintaining a forum in correct spirit.

And if someone openly communicates a request to be unsubbed, his or her wish 
should be fulfilled, if the already guided link to do so autonomously should 
not work for itself.

We're here for the music, mainly, not for projecting whatever that's unjust and 
incorrect, and leaving others trying to cope with the distortions coming with 
that. One may have a bad day, or two, but not work it our interpersonally here 
(or wherever).


M.

Van: Kevin Kennedy 
Verzonden: woensdag 1 juli 2020 1:05
Aan: list 313 <313@hyperreal.org>
Onderwerp: Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about

Joe:

   You're not helping.  Not at all.  Please keep your sideshow baiting antics 
elsewhere before this turns into a roast-of you.  I will bring up the Detroit 
tradition of 'snapping' on you if necessary.  You've hung out with some of the 
Detroit family...you CAN get roasted, salted and shook...then sold by the bag 
for peanuts.

Denise:  This may be fun to you to antagonize others today-but I'd absolutely 
love to see better from someone who is a respected academic.  One of the many 
themes of Detroit Techno is escapism, maybe we should all consider escaping 
from arguing about politics and who said what and semantics.  At the end, all 
our coffins will be the same size (or our urn a similar amount of ashes).

Second, y'all mfers name-calling and picking fights aren't sh!t.  Be an adult 
please...and miss me all the way with the 'well she started it' BS.

Sometimes it's better to sit on your hands until they're numb than type out hot 
garbage that will be a permanent record.

Play some records, make some music, play that game on your phone that you 
downloaded and haven't tried yet...Heck, find something!

 Because in my opinion, the above is extremely counterproductive.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:50 PM Mario De Block 
mailto:madb...@hotmail.com>> wrote:


oh boy/girl/X (and I write X as to write inclusively here - at no specific 
person in that sense, if present)

Denise. Stop centering yourself endlessly. I conscientiously wrote whatever 
gender has whatever under the belt. You yourself ranted at whoever being shaped 
to small for you.

Look what you wrote a few hours ago. Look what you write. I don't take that. 
Return to sender.

M.

Van: Denise Dalphond mailto:denisedalph...@gmail.com>>
Verzonden: woensdag 1 juli 2020 0:45
Aan: Mario De Block mailto:madb...@hotmail.com>>
CC: Daniel Bean mailto:danbean@gmail.com>>; Joe 
Marougi mailto:jmaro...@gmail.com>>; Rob Taylor 
mailto:barringtonphelo...@gmail.com>>; The 
Archiver mailto:thearchi...@thearchiver.net>>; U 
Design mailto:uandidesigndetr...@gmail.com>>; 
list 313 <313@hyperreal.org<mailto:313@hyperreal.org>>
Onderwerp: Re: What this list is and isn't about

Why is anyone on this list concerned with my genitals? I don’t understand. 
You’ll never get close to them. Maybe you wanna go talk to a therapist.

When someone tells you they’re female and you still say he or X, it makes me 
think you’re stupid.

Oftentimes, people that act homophobic and sexist, also act racist.






On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:35 PM Mario De Block 
mailto:madb...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
anything D-related (in broad sense) would be welcome for me, on this forum - 
Kent proposals did well for that?
But why would anyone post snide comments, that freeze the atmosphere? 
Regardless of what he/she/X has under the belt, and the size of it.
A forum requires some form of connection (which D techno/house music is in 
itself), but to me, it also requires some engagement in wanting to preserve at 
least some essential spirit of that connection. A web forum requires digital 
communication, which just requires at least a minimal bit of estimation of how 
one's communication will or could be read or understood - and bridging 
miscommunication gaps, if happening, is as

Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about

[Kevin Kennedy]

Joe:

   You're not helping.  Not at all.  Please keep your sideshow baiting
antics elsewhere before this turns into a roast-of you.  I will bring up
the Detroit tradition of 'snapping' on you if necessary.  You've hung out
with some of the Detroit family...you CAN get roasted, salted and
shook...then sold by the bag for peanuts.

Denise:  This may be fun to you to antagonize others today-but I'd
absolutely love to see better from someone who is a respected academic.
One of the many themes of Detroit Techno is escapism, maybe we should all
consider escaping from arguing about politics and who said what and
semantics.  At the end, all our coffins will be the same size (or our urn a
similar amount of ashes).

Second, y'all mfers name-calling and picking fights aren't sh!t.  Be an
adult please...and miss me all the way with the 'well she started it' BS.

Sometimes it's better to sit on your hands until they're numb than type out
hot garbage that will be a permanent record.

Play some records, make some music, play that game on your phone that you
downloaded and haven't tried yet...Heck, find something!

 Because in my opinion, the above is extremely counterproductive.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:50 PM Mario De Block  wrote:

>
>
> oh boy/girl/X (and I write X as to write inclusively here - at no specific
> person in that sense, if present)
>
> Denise. Stop centering yourself endlessly. I conscientiously wrote
> whatever gender has whatever under the belt. You yourself ranted at whoever
> being shaped to small for you.
>
> Look what you wrote a few hours ago. Look what you write. I don't take
> that. Return to sender.
>
> M.
> --
> *Van:* Denise Dalphond 
> *Verzonden:* woensdag 1 juli 2020 0:45
> *Aan:* Mario De Block 
> *CC:* Daniel Bean ; Joe Marougi ;
> Rob Taylor ; The Archiver <
> thearchi...@thearchiver.net>; U Design ;
> list 313 <313@hyperreal.org>
> *Onderwerp:* Re: What this list is and isn't about
>
> Why is anyone on this list concerned with my genitals? I don’t understand.
> You’ll never get close to them. Maybe you wanna go talk to a therapist.
>
> When someone tells you they’re female and you still say he or X, it makes
> me think you’re stupid.
>
> Oftentimes, people that act homophobic and sexist, also act racist.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:35 PM Mario De Block 
> wrote:
>
> anything D-related (in broad sense) would be welcome for me, on this forum
> - Kent proposals did well for that?
> But why would anyone post snide comments, that freeze the atmosphere?
> Regardless of what he/she/X has under the belt, and the size of it.
> A forum requires some form of connection (which D techno/house music is in
> itself), but to me, it also requires some engagement in wanting to preserve
> at least some essential spirit of that connection. A web forum requires
> digital communication, which just requires at least a minimal bit of
> estimation of how one's communication will or could be read or understood -
> and bridging miscommunication gaps, if happening, is as essential.
>
>
> (ps, I don't think Joe compared BLM to KKK, he connected BHI to them, and
> this requires nuance too).
>
> € 0.02
>
> Mario
>
>
>

-- 
FBK

Absoloop/Orange 82

FW: What this list is and isn't about

[Mario De Block]

oh boy/girl/X (and I write X as to write inclusively here - at no specific 
person in that sense, if present)

Denise. Stop centering yourself endlessly. I conscientiously wrote whatever 
gender has whatever under the belt. You yourself ranted at whoever being shaped 
to small for you.

Look what you wrote a few hours ago. Look what you write. I don't take that. 
Return to sender.

M.

Van: Denise Dalphond 
Verzonden: woensdag 1 juli 2020 0:45
Aan: Mario De Block 
CC: Daniel Bean ; Joe Marougi ; Rob 
Taylor ; The Archiver 
; U Design ; list 
313 <313@hyperreal.org>
Onderwerp: Re: What this list is and isn't about

Why is anyone on this list concerned with my genitals? I don’t understand. 
You’ll never get close to them. Maybe you wanna go talk to a therapist.

When someone tells you they’re female and you still say he or X, it makes me 
think you’re stupid.

Oftentimes, people that act homophobic and sexist, also act racist.






On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:35 PM Mario De Block 
mailto:madb...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
anything D-related (in broad sense) would be welcome for me, on this forum - 
Kent proposals did well for that?
But why would anyone post snide comments, that freeze the atmosphere? 
Regardless of what he/she/X has under the belt, and the size of it.
A forum requires some form of connection (which D techno/house music is in 
itself), but to me, it also requires some engagement in wanting to preserve at 
least some essential spirit of that connection. A web forum requires digital 
communication, which just requires at least a minimal bit of estimation of how 
one's communication will or could be read or understood - and bridging 
miscommunication gaps, if happening, is as essential.


(ps, I don't think Joe compared BLM to KKK, he connected BHI to them, and this 
requires nuance too).

€ 0.02

Mario

FW: What this list is and isn't about

[Mario De Block]

(retry after failure of delivery notice, supposedly due to containing previous 
messages in text body)

anything D-related (in broad sense) would be welcome for me, on this forum - 
Kents proposals did well for that.
But why would anyone post snide comments, that freeze the atmosphere? 
Regardless of what he/she/X has under the belt, and the size of it.
A forum requires some form of connection (which D techno/house music is in 
itself), but to me, it also requires some engagement in wanting to preserve at 
least some essential spirit of that connection. A web forum requires digital 
communication, which just requires at least a minimal bit of estimation of how 
one's communication will or could be read or understood - and bridging 
miscommunication gaps, if happening, is as essential. If one isn't willing to 
cope with that, to me, deems worthy of questioning the whole point of taking 
part in a forum.


(ps, I don't think Joe compared BLM to KKK, he connected BHI to them, and this 
requires nuance too).

€ 0.02

Mario

Re: What this list is and isn't about

[Joe Marougi]

Woah dude wtf??  I compared the black Hebrew Israelites to KKK who are
entirely different.  Apparently you’re not familiar with them.

Where did you get BLM from what I wrote?

Honest mistake or are you joining Rob by putting words in my mouth?
 #fakenews appears strong with you two.




On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 3:12 PM U Design 
wrote:

> I can speak from personal experience that the Detroit police have actually
> helped the team I worked with to find a venue, pull a liquor license, and
> get the proper insurance so we could have an all night party Movement
> weekend of 2003... But I also know people who have been brutalized by
> police because they were driving in the wrong neighborhood, ie driving in a
> white city while black.
>
> I know that Black Lives Matter is a very important movement because the
> systemic racism in this country is ridiculously disgusting and anyone who
> denies the fact that this movement is necessary, well, I imagine they've
> never looked into appropriation of black culture and black music. I imagine
> they've never asked the Detroit musicians they work with about the fears
> they have going north of 8 mile. I imagine they don't dig deep into
> conversations about any of this with the black musicians they know, and I
> imagine if they did broach the subject, they aren't really asking to learn,
> they are just asking to appease or make themselves look "woke".
>
> I know I'm white and I've used my white privilege more than a few times to
> snap back at people who were being racist. I've also used my skills in
> understanding how social networks work and worked on a number of teams
> where we created event programs to bridge racial and socioeconomic divides,
> creating a space where blacks and whites felt safe to come together. Its
> not easy, but its definitely necessary.
>
> I don't enjoy seeing these threads where people who love Detroit Techno
> are now comparing BLM to the KKK... or where someone who has studied
> in-depth about Detroit Techno and actually put out published writings about
> the music is being targeted because she's had some snarky responses to
> threads that I personally would've like to smack sense into the people
> writing them but since I tend to not engage with those posts, I guess I've
> "lucked out" and not been targeted in the same way.
>
> I fear that this list is about to succumb to the same political divide
> that is currently plaguing our country.   I would recommend the moderator
> maybe curate some topics to try and start/lead the conversations back
> toward Detroit Techno. There are some truly incredible stories in the
> history of Detroit Techno...
>
> Has anyone talked about the time that a vanful of Detroit's originators
> loaded into a cargo van to go to NYC for the music conference? I think 17
> people crammed into that van. Mike Banks was driving, Jeff Mills was in the
> passenger seat, the back was crammed with people. So full that Billy Love
> had to ride in the door well...
>
> Now those kinds of stories are what I'm always on the hunt for.
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 17:30 Denise Dalphond 
> wrote:
>
>> Black Lives Matter.
>>
>> How is this about police? Why you gotta make this about politics?
>> Everything is about politics with you. When you defund the police, you get
>> a little bit of chaos, that's to be expected. But I feel like we already
>> were havin chaos, so it's not even different.
>>
>> Since when is club culture about lovin the police??? The cops shut down
>> the parties. The best raves are illegal. A lot of electronic dance music
>> scholars have written so much about legal issues related to rave and dance
>> club culture. It's almost boring. Does anyone read anymore? Books?
>> Articles? Well researched stuff? No? Nothin?
>>
>>
>>
>> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
>> *ethnomusicologist*
>> *schoolcraftwax.work *
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:18 PM Rob Taylor 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  Not sure why you’re in this group Joe if you are equating any black
>>> movement with the KKK, esp if you are defending cops
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 30 Jun 2020, at 20:20, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> As much as I’d love to respond by saying “figures you’d defend a group
>>> that’s pretty much the black version of the KKK which makes you a bigger
>>> racist than they are ” I won’t out of respect to Rob’s request 
>>>
>>> Sorry guys, just taking advantage of the Wild West here while it lasts.
>>> See what happens when you abolish the police? 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:56 AM Denise Dalphond <
>>> denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Joe, I blocked you a long time ago, too. It takes a lot of effort to
 sort through your loony messages. Which racist group? White people?



 *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
 *ethnomusicologist*
 *schoolcraftwax.work *


 On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 2:40 PM Rob Taylor <
 

Re: What this list is and isn't about

[U Design]

I can speak from personal experience that the Detroit police have actually
helped the team I worked with to find a venue, pull a liquor license, and
get the proper insurance so we could have an all night party Movement
weekend of 2003... But I also know people who have been brutalized by
police because they were driving in the wrong neighborhood, ie driving in a
white city while black.

I know that Black Lives Matter is a very important movement because the
systemic racism in this country is ridiculously disgusting and anyone who
denies the fact that this movement is necessary, well, I imagine they've
never looked into appropriation of black culture and black music. I imagine
they've never asked the Detroit musicians they work with about the fears
they have going north of 8 mile. I imagine they don't dig deep into
conversations about any of this with the black musicians they know, and I
imagine if they did broach the subject, they aren't really asking to learn,
they are just asking to appease or make themselves look "woke".

I know I'm white and I've used my white privilege more than a few times to
snap back at people who were being racist. I've also used my skills in
understanding how social networks work and worked on a number of teams
where we created event programs to bridge racial and socioeconomic divides,
creating a space where blacks and whites felt safe to come together. Its
not easy, but its definitely necessary.

I don't enjoy seeing these threads where people who love Detroit Techno are
now comparing BLM to the KKK... or where someone who has studied in-depth
about Detroit Techno and actually put out published writings about the
music is being targeted because she's had some snarky responses to threads
that I personally would've like to smack sense into the people writing them
but since I tend to not engage with those posts, I guess I've "lucked out"
and not been targeted in the same way.

I fear that this list is about to succumb to the same political divide that
is currently plaguing our country.   I would recommend the moderator maybe
curate some topics to try and start/lead the conversations back toward
Detroit Techno. There are some truly incredible stories in the history of
Detroit Techno...

Has anyone talked about the time that a vanful of Detroit's originators
loaded into a cargo van to go to NYC for the music conference? I think 17
people crammed into that van. Mike Banks was driving, Jeff Mills was in the
passenger seat, the back was crammed with people. So full that Billy Love
had to ride in the door well...

Now those kinds of stories are what I'm always on the hunt for.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 17:30 Denise Dalphond 
wrote:

> Black Lives Matter.
>
> How is this about police? Why you gotta make this about politics?
> Everything is about politics with you. When you defund the police, you get
> a little bit of chaos, that's to be expected. But I feel like we already
> were havin chaos, so it's not even different.
>
> Since when is club culture about lovin the police??? The cops shut down
> the parties. The best raves are illegal. A lot of electronic dance music
> scholars have written so much about legal issues related to rave and dance
> club culture. It's almost boring. Does anyone read anymore? Books?
> Articles? Well researched stuff? No? Nothin?
>
>
>
> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
> *ethnomusicologist*
> *schoolcraftwax.work *
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:18 PM Rob Taylor 
> wrote:
>
>>  Not sure why you’re in this group Joe if you are equating any black
>> movement with the KKK, esp if you are defending cops
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 30 Jun 2020, at 20:20, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> As much as I’d love to respond by saying “figures you’d defend a group
>> that’s pretty much the black version of the KKK which makes you a bigger
>> racist than they are ” I won’t out of respect to Rob’s request 
>>
>> Sorry guys, just taking advantage of the Wild West here while it lasts.
>> See what happens when you abolish the police? 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:56 AM Denise Dalphond <
>> denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Joe, I blocked you a long time ago, too. It takes a lot of effort to
>>> sort through your loony messages. Which racist group? White people?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
>>> *ethnomusicologist*
>>> *schoolcraftwax.work *
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 2:40 PM Rob Taylor 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Very familiar, hence the comment. Please stop with this both Joe and
 Denise.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On 30 Jun 2020, at 19:26, Rob Taylor 
 wrote:

 It is. Wtf.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On 30 Jun 2020, at 19:07, Joe Marougi  wrote:

 
 Not sure if you’re familiar with the context with that racist group and
 Karen’s actions here.  Apparently not?

 If so you’d see that my comment was spot on.

Re: What this list is and isn't about

[Denise Dalphond]

Black Lives Matter.

How is this about police? Why you gotta make this about politics?
Everything is about politics with you. When you defund the police, you get
a little bit of chaos, that's to be expected. But I feel like we already
were havin chaos, so it's not even different.

Since when is club culture about lovin the police??? The cops shut down the
parties. The best raves are illegal. A lot of electronic dance music
scholars have written so much about legal issues related to rave and dance
club culture. It's almost boring. Does anyone read anymore? Books?
Articles? Well researched stuff? No? Nothin?



*Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
*ethnomusicologist*
*schoolcraftwax.work *


On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:18 PM Rob Taylor 
wrote:

>  Not sure why you’re in this group Joe if you are equating any black
> movement with the KKK, esp if you are defending cops
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 30 Jun 2020, at 20:20, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>
> 
> As much as I’d love to respond by saying “figures you’d defend a group
> that’s pretty much the black version of the KKK which makes you a bigger
> racist than they are ” I won’t out of respect to Rob’s request 
>
> Sorry guys, just taking advantage of the Wild West here while it lasts.
> See what happens when you abolish the police? 
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:56 AM Denise Dalphond 
> wrote:
>
>> Joe, I blocked you a long time ago, too. It takes a lot of effort to sort
>> through your loony messages. Which racist group? White people?
>>
>>
>>
>> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
>> *ethnomusicologist*
>> *schoolcraftwax.work *
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 2:40 PM Rob Taylor 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Very familiar, hence the comment. Please stop with this both Joe and
>>> Denise.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 30 Jun 2020, at 19:26, Rob Taylor 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> It is. Wtf.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 30 Jun 2020, at 19:07, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Not sure if you’re familiar with the context with that racist group and
>>> Karen’s actions here.  Apparently not?
>>>
>>> If so you’d see that my comment was spot on.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:04 AM Daniel Bean 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This sounds quite racist.


 On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 6:59 PM Joe Marougi  wrote:

> Don’t you have a black Hebrew Israelite rally to attend as the
> designated foot-kisser??
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:57 AM Denise Dalphond <
> denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Oh wow. I skim emails out of habit from being a mom in graduate
>> school all those years. Somebody said I have a penis? No. I just remind 
>> you
>> how small and skinny yours is. Or my alphaness just makes it limp. Either
>> way, you’re too short.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:45 PM The Archiver <
>> thearchi...@thearchiver.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Can you close the door on your way out...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 30 Jun 2020, at 17:52, Denise Dalphond 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> I’m still on the list, yo.
>>>
>>> This list is about making a huge deal about something and then not
>>> doing it.
>>>
>>> Have you just been listening to DJ Hyperactive instead of dealing
>>> with Hyperreal, Dan Sicko? Oh I mean Kent.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:36 AM kent williams <
>>> chaircrus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 1. Detroit techno music
 2. Detroit house music
 3. Music inspired by Detroint techno and house music
 4. Ghettotech & Jit.
 5. The people who make 1-4
 6. The social and political context of 1-5

 What it isn't about:
 1. Any individual list member unless they're in #5 above
 2. The list admin.

 Since you're coming for me in particular.
 0. "Corn music" - are you having a laugh?
 1. "With all due respect" is a euphemism for "You supreme bell-end"
 "No offense" means "I'm going to be offensive."
 2. I have made 3 albums and several EPs and I generally don't bring
 them up here. While I count Detroit music as a huge influence, my 
 music has
 diverged from anything that could be called techno, so I've made myself
 off-topic.
 3. I have the job of list administrator (not moderator) because no
 one else wanted it.  I do the best I can and if you don't like it,
 unsubscribe. I posted instructions on how to do so the other day in the
 spirit of "Let me google that for you."
 4. Do you mean "Langer" as in slang for penis?   That comment seems
 out of order on several levels.


 On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:52 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:

> I'm with Kevin and Denise on this one.
>
> This is a list about dark black music 

Re: What this list is and isn't about

[Mario De Block]

I think it would be good for all to check and read
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounders/black-hebrew-israelites. It says 
not all of its (sub)groups are racist/anti-white/antisemitic. Wikipedia refers 
to a source numbering them up to 144.

Just for the fact-based nuance.

Mario

Van: Joe Marougi 
Verzonden: dinsdag 30 juni 2020 22:37
Aan: Rob Taylor 
CC: Daniel Bean ; Denise Dalphond 
; The Archiver ; list 
313 <313@hyperreal.org>
Onderwerp: Re: What this list is and isn't about

What’s that got to do with D techno etc?

I didn’t get the memo where in order to be a fan/have a label etc that I also 
had to be a far leftist?

That group is unquestionably and unapologetically racist. Love how you try to 
paint me as having issue with  “any black movement” when I’ve only mentioned 
one who’s way out of bounds.

Nice try.  Why don’t you go break a few windows with your buddies since that’s 
who you appear to be.





On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:18 PM Rob Taylor 
mailto:barringtonphelo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 Not sure why you’re in this group Joe if you are equating any black movement 
with the KKK, esp if you are defending cops

Sent from my iPhone

On 30 Jun 2020, at 20:20, Joe Marougi 
mailto:jmaro...@gmail.com>> wrote:


As much as I’d love to respond by saying “figures you’d defend a group that’s 
pretty much the black version of the KKK which makes you a bigger racist than 
they are ” I won’t out of respect to Rob’s request 

Sorry guys, just taking advantage of the Wild West here while it lasts.  See 
what happens when you abolish the police? 



On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:56 AM Denise Dalphond 
mailto:denisedalph...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Joe, I blocked you a long time ago, too. It takes a lot of effort to sort 
through your loony messages. Which racist group? White people?



Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.
ethnomusicologist
schoolcraftwax.work<http://schoolcraftwax.work>


On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 2:40 PM Rob Taylor 
mailto:barringtonphelo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Very familiar, hence the comment. Please stop with this both Joe and Denise.

Sent from my iPhone

On 30 Jun 2020, at 19:26, Rob Taylor 
mailto:barringtonphelo...@gmail.com>> wrote:

It is. Wtf.

Sent from my iPhone

On 30 Jun 2020, at 19:07, Joe Marougi 
mailto:jmaro...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Not sure if you’re familiar with the context with that racist group and Karen’s 
actions here.  Apparently not?

If so you’d see that my comment was spot on.




On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:04 AM Daniel Bean 
mailto:danbean@gmail.com>> wrote:
This sounds quite racist.


On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 6:59 PM Joe Marougi 
mailto:jmaro...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Don’t you have a black Hebrew Israelite rally to attend as the designated 
foot-kisser??



On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:57 AM Denise Dalphond 
mailto:denisedalph...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Oh wow. I skim emails out of habit from being a mom in graduate school all 
those years. Somebody said I have a penis? No. I just remind you how small and 
skinny yours is. Or my alphaness just makes it limp. Either way, you’re too 
short.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:45 PM The Archiver 
mailto:thearchi...@thearchiver.net>> wrote:
Can you close the door on your way out...



On 30 Jun 2020, at 17:52, Denise Dalphond 
mailto:denisedalph...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I’m still on the list, yo.

This list is about making a huge deal about something and then not doing it.

Have you just been listening to DJ Hyperactive instead of dealing with 
Hyperreal, Dan Sicko? Oh I mean Kent.


On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:36 AM kent williams 
mailto:chaircrus...@gmail.com>> wrote:
1. Detroit techno music
2. Detroit house music
3. Music inspired by Detroint techno and house music
4. Ghettotech & Jit.
5. The people who make 1-4
6. The social and political context of 1-5

What it isn't about:
1. Any individual list member unless they're in #5 above
2. The list admin.

Since you're coming for me in particular.
0. "Corn music" - are you having a laugh?
1. "With all due respect" is a euphemism for "You supreme bell-end" "No 
offense" means "I'm going to be offensive."
2. I have made 3 albums and several EPs and I generally don't bring them up 
here. While I count Detroit music as a huge influence, my music has diverged 
from anything that could be called techno, so I've made myself off-topic.
3. I have the job of list administrator (not moderator) because no one else 
wanted it.  I do the best I can and if you don't like it, unsubscribe. I posted 
instructions on how to do so the other day in the spirit of "Let me google that 
for you."
4. Do you mean "Langer" as in slang for penis?   That comment seems out of 
order on several levels.


On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:52 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
I'm with Kevin and Denise on this one.

This is a list about dark bl

Re: What this list is and isn't about

[Joe Marougi]

What’s that got to do with D techno etc?

I didn’t get the memo where in order to be a fan/have a label etc that I
also had to be a far leftist?

That group is unquestionably and unapologetically racist. Love how you try
to paint me as having issue with  “any black movement” when I’ve only
mentioned one who’s way out of bounds.

Nice try.  Why don’t you go break a few windows with your buddies since
that’s who you appear to be.





On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:18 PM Rob Taylor 
wrote:

>  Not sure why you’re in this group Joe if you are equating any black
> movement with the KKK, esp if you are defending cops
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 30 Jun 2020, at 20:20, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>
> 
>
> As much as I’d love to respond by saying “figures you’d defend a group
> that’s pretty much the black version of the KKK which makes you a bigger
> racist than they are ” I won’t out of respect to Rob’s request 
>
> Sorry guys, just taking advantage of the Wild West here while it lasts.
> See what happens when you abolish the police? 
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:56 AM Denise Dalphond 
> wrote:
>
>> Joe, I blocked you a long time ago, too. It takes a lot of effort to sort
>> through your loony messages. Which racist group? White people?
>>
>>
>>
>> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
>> *ethnomusicologist*
>> *schoolcraftwax.work *
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 2:40 PM Rob Taylor 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Very familiar, hence the comment. Please stop with this both Joe and
>>> Denise.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 30 Jun 2020, at 19:26, Rob Taylor 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> It is. Wtf.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 30 Jun 2020, at 19:07, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Not sure if you’re familiar with the context with that racist group and
>>> Karen’s actions here.  Apparently not?
>>>
>>> If so you’d see that my comment was spot on.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:04 AM Daniel Bean 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This sounds quite racist.


 On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 6:59 PM Joe Marougi  wrote:

> Don’t you have a black Hebrew Israelite rally to attend as the
> designated foot-kisser??
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:57 AM Denise Dalphond <
> denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Oh wow. I skim emails out of habit from being a mom in graduate
>> school all those years. Somebody said I have a penis? No. I just remind 
>> you
>> how small and skinny yours is. Or my alphaness just makes it limp. Either
>> way, you’re too short.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:45 PM The Archiver <
>> thearchi...@thearchiver.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Can you close the door on your way out...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 30 Jun 2020, at 17:52, Denise Dalphond 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> I’m still on the list, yo.
>>>
>>> This list is about making a huge deal about something and then not
>>> doing it.
>>>
>>> Have you just been listening to DJ Hyperactive instead of dealing
>>> with Hyperreal, Dan Sicko? Oh I mean Kent.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:36 AM kent williams <
>>> chaircrus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 1. Detroit techno music
 2. Detroit house music
 3. Music inspired by Detroint techno and house music
 4. Ghettotech & Jit.
 5. The people who make 1-4
 6. The social and political context of 1-5

 What it isn't about:
 1. Any individual list member unless they're in #5 above
 2. The list admin.

 Since you're coming for me in particular.
 0. "Corn music" - are you having a laugh?
 1. "With all due respect" is a euphemism for "You supreme bell-end"
 "No offense" means "I'm going to be offensive."
 2. I have made 3 albums and several EPs and I generally don't bring
 them up here. While I count Detroit music as a huge influence, my 
 music has
 diverged from anything that could be called techno, so I've made myself
 off-topic.
 3. I have the job of list administrator (not moderator) because no
 one else wanted it.  I do the best I can and if you don't like it,
 unsubscribe. I posted instructions on how to do so the other day in the
 spirit of "Let me google that for you."
 4. Do you mean "Langer" as in slang for penis?   That comment seems
 out of order on several levels.


 On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:52 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:

> I'm with Kevin and Denise on this one.
>
> This is a list about dark black music and rhythm control. With all
> due
> respect, a single mod who makes corn music doesn't really cut in
> politically.
>
> Noi offense Eamonn but at least Denise has a langer ;-)
>
> cheers
>
> C
>

Re: What this list is and isn't about

[Rob Taylor]

Just what is the black version of the kkk, Joe? Don’t mince your words 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 30 Jun 2020, at 21:18, Rob Taylor  wrote:
> 
>  Not sure why you’re in this group Joe if you are equating any black 
> movement with the KKK, esp if you are defending cops 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On 30 Jun 2020, at 20:20, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> As much as I’d love to respond by saying “figures you’d defend a group 
>> that’s pretty much the black version of the KKK which makes you a bigger 
>> racist than they are ” I won’t out of respect to Rob’s request 
>> 
>> Sorry guys, just taking advantage of the Wild West here while it lasts.  See 
>> what happens when you abolish the police? 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:56 AM Denise Dalphond  
>>> wrote:
>>> Joe, I blocked you a long time ago, too. It takes a lot of effort to sort 
>>> through your loony messages. Which racist group? White people?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.
>>> ethnomusicologist
>>> schoolcraftwax.work
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 2:40 PM Rob Taylor  
 wrote:
 Very familiar, hence the comment. Please stop with this both Joe and 
 Denise. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On 30 Jun 2020, at 19:26, Rob Taylor  
>> wrote:
>> 
> It is. Wtf. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On 30 Jun 2020, at 19:07, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Not sure if you’re familiar with the context with that racist group and 
>> Karen’s actions here.  Apparently not?
>> 
>> If so you’d see that my comment was spot on.  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:04 AM Daniel Bean  
>>> wrote:
>>> This sounds quite racist.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 6:59 PM Joe Marougi  wrote:
 Don’t you have a black Hebrew Israelite rally to attend as the 
 designated foot-kisser??
 
 
 
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:57 AM Denise Dalphond 
>  wrote:
> Oh wow. I skim emails out of habit from being a mom in graduate 
> school all those years. Somebody said I have a penis? No. I just 
> remind you how small and skinny yours is. Or my alphaness just makes 
> it limp. Either way, you’re too short. 
> 
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:45 PM The Archiver 
>>  wrote:
>> Can you close the door on your way out...
>> 
>> 
>> 
 On 30 Jun 2020, at 17:52, Denise Dalphond 
  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> I’m still on the list, yo. 
>>> 
>>> This list is about making a huge deal about something and then not 
>>> doing it. 
>>> 
>>> Have you just been listening to DJ Hyperactive instead of dealing 
>>> with Hyperreal, Dan Sicko? Oh I mean Kent. 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:36 AM kent williams 
  wrote:
 1. Detroit techno music
 2. Detroit house music
 3. Music inspired by Detroint techno and house music
 4. Ghettotech & Jit.
 5. The people who make 1-4
 6. The social and political context of 1-5
 
 What it isn't about:
 1. Any individual list member unless they're in #5 above
 2. The list admin.
 
 Since you're coming for me in particular.
 0. "Corn music" - are you having a laugh?
 1. "With all due respect" is a euphemism for "You supreme 
 bell-end" "No offense" means "I'm going to be offensive."
 2. I have made 3 albums and several EPs and I generally don't 
 bring them up here. While I count Detroit music as a huge 
 influence, my music has diverged from anything that could be 
 called techno, so I've made myself off-topic.
 3. I have the job of list administrator (not moderator) because no 
 one else wanted it.  I do the best I can and if you don't like it, 
 unsubscribe. I posted instructions on how to do so the other day 
 in the spirit of "Let me google that for you."
 4. Do you mean "Langer" as in slang for penis?   That comment 
 seems out of order on several levels.
 
 
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:52 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
> I'm with Kevin and Denise on this one.
> 
> This is a list about dark black music and rhythm control. With 
> all due 
> respect, a single mod who makes corn music doesn't really cut in 
> politically.
> 
> Noi offense Eamonn but at least Denise has a langer ;-)
> 
> cheers
> 
> C
> 
>> 
> 
>>> 

Re: What this list is and isn't about

[Rob Taylor]

 Not sure why you’re in this group Joe if you are equating any black movement 
with the KKK, esp if you are defending cops 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 30 Jun 2020, at 20:20, Joe Marougi  wrote:
> 
> 
> As much as I’d love to respond by saying “figures you’d defend a group that’s 
> pretty much the black version of the KKK which makes you a bigger racist than 
> they are ” I won’t out of respect to Rob’s request 
> 
> Sorry guys, just taking advantage of the Wild West here while it lasts.  See 
> what happens when you abolish the police? 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:56 AM Denise Dalphond  
>> wrote:
>> Joe, I blocked you a long time ago, too. It takes a lot of effort to sort 
>> through your loony messages. Which racist group? White people?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.
>> ethnomusicologist
>> schoolcraftwax.work
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 2:40 PM Rob Taylor  
>>> wrote:
>>> Very familiar, hence the comment. Please stop with this both Joe and 
>>> Denise. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On 30 Jun 2020, at 19:26, Rob Taylor  wrote:
> 
 It is. Wtf. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On 30 Jun 2020, at 19:07, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>> 
> 
> Not sure if you’re familiar with the context with that racist group and 
> Karen’s actions here.  Apparently not?
> 
> If so you’d see that my comment was spot on.  
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:04 AM Daniel Bean  
>> wrote:
>> This sounds quite racist.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 6:59 PM Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>> Don’t you have a black Hebrew Israelite rally to attend as the 
>>> designated foot-kisser??
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:57 AM Denise Dalphond 
  wrote:
 Oh wow. I skim emails out of habit from being a mom in graduate school 
 all those years. Somebody said I have a penis? No. I just remind you 
 how small and skinny yours is. Or my alphaness just makes it limp. 
 Either way, you’re too short. 
 
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:45 PM The Archiver 
>  wrote:
> Can you close the door on your way out...
> 
> 
> 
>>> On 30 Jun 2020, at 17:52, Denise Dalphond 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> I’m still on the list, yo. 
>> 
>> This list is about making a huge deal about something and then not 
>> doing it. 
>> 
>> Have you just been listening to DJ Hyperactive instead of dealing 
>> with Hyperreal, Dan Sicko? Oh I mean Kent. 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:36 AM kent williams 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 1. Detroit techno music
>>> 2. Detroit house music
>>> 3. Music inspired by Detroint techno and house music
>>> 4. Ghettotech & Jit.
>>> 5. The people who make 1-4
>>> 6. The social and political context of 1-5
>>> 
>>> What it isn't about:
>>> 1. Any individual list member unless they're in #5 above
>>> 2. The list admin.
>>> 
>>> Since you're coming for me in particular.
>>> 0. "Corn music" - are you having a laugh?
>>> 1. "With all due respect" is a euphemism for "You supreme bell-end" 
>>> "No offense" means "I'm going to be offensive."
>>> 2. I have made 3 albums and several EPs and I generally don't bring 
>>> them up here. While I count Detroit music as a huge influence, my 
>>> music has diverged from anything that could be called techno, so 
>>> I've made myself off-topic.
>>> 3. I have the job of list administrator (not moderator) because no 
>>> one else wanted it.  I do the best I can and if you don't like it, 
>>> unsubscribe. I posted instructions on how to do so the other day in 
>>> the spirit of "Let me google that for you."
>>> 4. Do you mean "Langer" as in slang for penis?   That comment seems 
>>> out of order on several levels.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:52 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
 I'm with Kevin and Denise on this one.
 
 This is a list about dark black music and rhythm control. With all 
 due 
 respect, a single mod who makes corn music doesn't really cut in 
 politically.
 
 Noi offense Eamonn but at least Denise has a langer ;-)
 
 cheers
 
 C
 
> 
 
>> -- 
>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
>> ethnomusicologist 
>> schoolcraftwax.work
 -- 
 Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
 ethnomusicologist 
 schoolcraftwax.work

Re: What this list is and isn't about

[Joe Marougi]

As much as I’d love to respond by saying “figures you’d defend a group
that’s pretty much the black version of the KKK which makes you a bigger
racist than they are ” I won’t out of respect to Rob’s request 

Sorry guys, just taking advantage of the Wild West here while it lasts.
See what happens when you abolish the police? 



On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:56 AM Denise Dalphond 
wrote:

> Joe, I blocked you a long time ago, too. It takes a lot of effort to sort
> through your loony messages. Which racist group? White people?
>
>
>
> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
> *ethnomusicologist*
> *schoolcraftwax.work *
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 2:40 PM Rob Taylor 
> wrote:
>
>> Very familiar, hence the comment. Please stop with this both Joe and
>> Denise.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 30 Jun 2020, at 19:26, Rob Taylor 
>> wrote:
>>
>> It is. Wtf.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 30 Jun 2020, at 19:07, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Not sure if you’re familiar with the context with that racist group and
>> Karen’s actions here.  Apparently not?
>>
>> If so you’d see that my comment was spot on.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:04 AM Daniel Bean 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This sounds quite racist.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 6:59 PM Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>>
 Don’t you have a black Hebrew Israelite rally to attend as the
 designated foot-kisser??



 On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:57 AM Denise Dalphond <
 denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Oh wow. I skim emails out of habit from being a mom in graduate school
> all those years. Somebody said I have a penis? No. I just remind you how
> small and skinny yours is. Or my alphaness just makes it limp. Either way,
> you’re too short.
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:45 PM The Archiver <
> thearchi...@thearchiver.net> wrote:
>
>> Can you close the door on your way out...
>>
>>
>>
>> On 30 Jun 2020, at 17:52, Denise Dalphond 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I’m still on the list, yo.
>>
>> This list is about making a huge deal about something and then not
>> doing it.
>>
>> Have you just been listening to DJ Hyperactive instead of dealing
>> with Hyperreal, Dan Sicko? Oh I mean Kent.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:36 AM kent williams <
>> chaircrus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> 1. Detroit techno music
>>> 2. Detroit house music
>>> 3. Music inspired by Detroint techno and house music
>>> 4. Ghettotech & Jit.
>>> 5. The people who make 1-4
>>> 6. The social and political context of 1-5
>>>
>>> What it isn't about:
>>> 1. Any individual list member unless they're in #5 above
>>> 2. The list admin.
>>>
>>> Since you're coming for me in particular.
>>> 0. "Corn music" - are you having a laugh?
>>> 1. "With all due respect" is a euphemism for "You supreme bell-end"
>>> "No offense" means "I'm going to be offensive."
>>> 2. I have made 3 albums and several EPs and I generally don't bring
>>> them up here. While I count Detroit music as a huge influence, my music 
>>> has
>>> diverged from anything that could be called techno, so I've made myself
>>> off-topic.
>>> 3. I have the job of list administrator (not moderator) because no
>>> one else wanted it.  I do the best I can and if you don't like it,
>>> unsubscribe. I posted instructions on how to do so the other day in the
>>> spirit of "Let me google that for you."
>>> 4. Do you mean "Langer" as in slang for penis?   That comment seems
>>> out of order on several levels.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:52 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
>>>
 I'm with Kevin and Denise on this one.

 This is a list about dark black music and rhythm control. With all
 due
 respect, a single mod who makes corn music doesn't really cut in
 politically.

 Noi offense Eamonn but at least Denise has a langer ;-)

 cheers

 C


 --
>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
>> ethnomusicologist
>> schoolcraftwax.work
>>
>> --
> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
> ethnomusicologist
> schoolcraftwax.work
>

Re: What this list is and isn't about

[Denise Dalphond]

Joe, I blocked you a long time ago, too. It takes a lot of effort to sort
through your loony messages. Which racist group? White people?



*Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
*ethnomusicologist*
*schoolcraftwax.work *


On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 2:40 PM Rob Taylor 
wrote:

> Very familiar, hence the comment. Please stop with this both Joe and
> Denise.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 30 Jun 2020, at 19:26, Rob Taylor  wrote:
>
> It is. Wtf.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 30 Jun 2020, at 19:07, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>
> 
> Not sure if you’re familiar with the context with that racist group and
> Karen’s actions here.  Apparently not?
>
> If so you’d see that my comment was spot on.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:04 AM Daniel Bean 
> wrote:
>
>> This sounds quite racist.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 6:59 PM Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>
>>> Don’t you have a black Hebrew Israelite rally to attend as the
>>> designated foot-kisser??
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:57 AM Denise Dalphond <
>>> denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Oh wow. I skim emails out of habit from being a mom in graduate school
 all those years. Somebody said I have a penis? No. I just remind you how
 small and skinny yours is. Or my alphaness just makes it limp. Either way,
 you’re too short.

 On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:45 PM The Archiver <
 thearchi...@thearchiver.net> wrote:

> Can you close the door on your way out...
>
>
>
> On 30 Jun 2020, at 17:52, Denise Dalphond 
> wrote:
>
> 
> I’m still on the list, yo.
>
> This list is about making a huge deal about something and then not
> doing it.
>
> Have you just been listening to DJ Hyperactive instead of dealing with
> Hyperreal, Dan Sicko? Oh I mean Kent.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:36 AM kent williams 
> wrote:
>
>> 1. Detroit techno music
>> 2. Detroit house music
>> 3. Music inspired by Detroint techno and house music
>> 4. Ghettotech & Jit.
>> 5. The people who make 1-4
>> 6. The social and political context of 1-5
>>
>> What it isn't about:
>> 1. Any individual list member unless they're in #5 above
>> 2. The list admin.
>>
>> Since you're coming for me in particular.
>> 0. "Corn music" - are you having a laugh?
>> 1. "With all due respect" is a euphemism for "You supreme bell-end"
>> "No offense" means "I'm going to be offensive."
>> 2. I have made 3 albums and several EPs and I generally don't bring
>> them up here. While I count Detroit music as a huge influence, my music 
>> has
>> diverged from anything that could be called techno, so I've made myself
>> off-topic.
>> 3. I have the job of list administrator (not moderator) because no
>> one else wanted it.  I do the best I can and if you don't like it,
>> unsubscribe. I posted instructions on how to do so the other day in the
>> spirit of "Let me google that for you."
>> 4. Do you mean "Langer" as in slang for penis?   That comment seems
>> out of order on several levels.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:52 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm with Kevin and Denise on this one.
>>>
>>> This is a list about dark black music and rhythm control. With all
>>> due
>>> respect, a single mod who makes corn music doesn't really cut in
>>> politically.
>>>
>>> Noi offense Eamonn but at least Denise has a langer ;-)
>>>
>>> cheers
>>>
>>> C
>>>
>>>
>>> --
> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
> ethnomusicologist
> schoolcraftwax.work
>
> --
 Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
 ethnomusicologist
 schoolcraftwax.work

>>>

Re: What this list is and isn't about

[Rob Taylor]

Very familiar, hence the comment. Please stop with this both Joe and Denise. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 30 Jun 2020, at 19:26, Rob Taylor  wrote:
> 
> It is. Wtf. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On 30 Jun 2020, at 19:07, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Not sure if you’re familiar with the context with that racist group and 
>> Karen’s actions here.  Apparently not?
>> 
>> If so you’d see that my comment was spot on.  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:04 AM Daniel Bean  wrote:
>>> This sounds quite racist.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 6:59 PM Joe Marougi  wrote:
 Don’t you have a black Hebrew Israelite rally to attend as the designated 
 foot-kisser??
 
 
 
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:57 AM Denise Dalphond 
>  wrote:
> Oh wow. I skim emails out of habit from being a mom in graduate school 
> all those years. Somebody said I have a penis? No. I just remind you how 
> small and skinny yours is. Or my alphaness just makes it limp. Either 
> way, you’re too short. 
> 
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:45 PM The Archiver 
>>  wrote:
>> Can you close the door on your way out...
>> 
>> 
>> 
 On 30 Jun 2020, at 17:52, Denise Dalphond  
 wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> I’m still on the list, yo. 
>>> 
>>> This list is about making a huge deal about something and then not 
>>> doing it. 
>>> 
>>> Have you just been listening to DJ Hyperactive instead of dealing with 
>>> Hyperreal, Dan Sicko? Oh I mean Kent. 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:36 AM kent williams 
  wrote:
 1. Detroit techno music
 2. Detroit house music
 3. Music inspired by Detroint techno and house music
 4. Ghettotech & Jit.
 5. The people who make 1-4
 6. The social and political context of 1-5
 
 What it isn't about:
 1. Any individual list member unless they're in #5 above
 2. The list admin.
 
 Since you're coming for me in particular.
 0. "Corn music" - are you having a laugh?
 1. "With all due respect" is a euphemism for "You supreme bell-end" 
 "No offense" means "I'm going to be offensive."
 2. I have made 3 albums and several EPs and I generally don't bring 
 them up here. While I count Detroit music as a huge influence, my 
 music has diverged from anything that could be called techno, so I've 
 made myself off-topic.
 3. I have the job of list administrator (not moderator) because no one 
 else wanted it.  I do the best I can and if you don't like it, 
 unsubscribe. I posted instructions on how to do so the other day in 
 the spirit of "Let me google that for you."
 4. Do you mean "Langer" as in slang for penis?   That comment seems 
 out of order on several levels.
 
 
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:52 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
> I'm with Kevin and Denise on this one.
> 
> This is a list about dark black music and rhythm control. With all 
> due 
> respect, a single mod who makes corn music doesn't really cut in 
> politically.
> 
> Noi offense Eamonn but at least Denise has a langer ;-)
> 
> cheers
> 
> C
> 
>> 
> 
>>> -- 
>>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
>>> ethnomusicologist 
>>> schoolcraftwax.work
> -- 
> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
> ethnomusicologist 
> schoolcraftwax.work

Re: What this list is and isn't about

[Rob Taylor]

Now misogyny. Bingo!

Sent from my iPhone

> On 30 Jun 2020, at 19:07, Joe Marougi  wrote:
> 
> 
> Not sure if you’re familiar with the context with that racist group and 
> Karen’s actions here.  Apparently not?
> 
> If so you’d see that my comment was spot on.  
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:04 AM Daniel Bean  wrote:
>> This sounds quite racist.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 6:59 PM Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>> Don’t you have a black Hebrew Israelite rally to attend as the designated 
>>> foot-kisser??
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:57 AM Denise Dalphond 
  wrote:
 Oh wow. I skim emails out of habit from being a mom in graduate school all 
 those years. Somebody said I have a penis? No. I just remind you how small 
 and skinny yours is. Or my alphaness just makes it limp. Either way, 
 you’re too short. 
 
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:45 PM The Archiver 
>  wrote:
> Can you close the door on your way out...
> 
> 
> 
>>> On 30 Jun 2020, at 17:52, Denise Dalphond  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> I’m still on the list, yo. 
>> 
>> This list is about making a huge deal about something and then not doing 
>> it. 
>> 
>> Have you just been listening to DJ Hyperactive instead of dealing with 
>> Hyperreal, Dan Sicko? Oh I mean Kent. 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:36 AM kent williams  
>>> wrote:
>>> 1. Detroit techno music
>>> 2. Detroit house music
>>> 3. Music inspired by Detroint techno and house music
>>> 4. Ghettotech & Jit.
>>> 5. The people who make 1-4
>>> 6. The social and political context of 1-5
>>> 
>>> What it isn't about:
>>> 1. Any individual list member unless they're in #5 above
>>> 2. The list admin.
>>> 
>>> Since you're coming for me in particular.
>>> 0. "Corn music" - are you having a laugh?
>>> 1. "With all due respect" is a euphemism for "You supreme bell-end" "No 
>>> offense" means "I'm going to be offensive."
>>> 2. I have made 3 albums and several EPs and I generally don't bring 
>>> them up here. While I count Detroit music as a huge influence, my music 
>>> has diverged from anything that could be called techno, so I've made 
>>> myself off-topic.
>>> 3. I have the job of list administrator (not moderator) because no one 
>>> else wanted it.  I do the best I can and if you don't like it, 
>>> unsubscribe. I posted instructions on how to do so the other day in the 
>>> spirit of "Let me google that for you."
>>> 4. Do you mean "Langer" as in slang for penis?   That comment seems out 
>>> of order on several levels.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:52 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
 I'm with Kevin and Denise on this one.
 
 This is a list about dark black music and rhythm control. With all due 
 respect, a single mod who makes corn music doesn't really cut in 
 politically.
 
 Noi offense Eamonn but at least Denise has a langer ;-)
 
 cheers
 
 C
 
> 
 
>> -- 
>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
>> ethnomusicologist 
>> schoolcraftwax.work
 -- 
 Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
 ethnomusicologist 
 schoolcraftwax.work

Re: What this list is and isn't about

[Rob Taylor]

It is. Wtf. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 30 Jun 2020, at 19:07, Joe Marougi  wrote:
> 
> 
> Not sure if you’re familiar with the context with that racist group and 
> Karen’s actions here.  Apparently not?
> 
> If so you’d see that my comment was spot on.  
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:04 AM Daniel Bean  wrote:
>> This sounds quite racist.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 6:59 PM Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>> Don’t you have a black Hebrew Israelite rally to attend as the designated 
>>> foot-kisser??
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:57 AM Denise Dalphond 
  wrote:
 Oh wow. I skim emails out of habit from being a mom in graduate school all 
 those years. Somebody said I have a penis? No. I just remind you how small 
 and skinny yours is. Or my alphaness just makes it limp. Either way, 
 you’re too short. 
 
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:45 PM The Archiver 
>  wrote:
> Can you close the door on your way out...
> 
> 
> 
>>> On 30 Jun 2020, at 17:52, Denise Dalphond  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> I’m still on the list, yo. 
>> 
>> This list is about making a huge deal about something and then not doing 
>> it. 
>> 
>> Have you just been listening to DJ Hyperactive instead of dealing with 
>> Hyperreal, Dan Sicko? Oh I mean Kent. 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:36 AM kent williams  
>>> wrote:
>>> 1. Detroit techno music
>>> 2. Detroit house music
>>> 3. Music inspired by Detroint techno and house music
>>> 4. Ghettotech & Jit.
>>> 5. The people who make 1-4
>>> 6. The social and political context of 1-5
>>> 
>>> What it isn't about:
>>> 1. Any individual list member unless they're in #5 above
>>> 2. The list admin.
>>> 
>>> Since you're coming for me in particular.
>>> 0. "Corn music" - are you having a laugh?
>>> 1. "With all due respect" is a euphemism for "You supreme bell-end" "No 
>>> offense" means "I'm going to be offensive."
>>> 2. I have made 3 albums and several EPs and I generally don't bring 
>>> them up here. While I count Detroit music as a huge influence, my music 
>>> has diverged from anything that could be called techno, so I've made 
>>> myself off-topic.
>>> 3. I have the job of list administrator (not moderator) because no one 
>>> else wanted it.  I do the best I can and if you don't like it, 
>>> unsubscribe. I posted instructions on how to do so the other day in the 
>>> spirit of "Let me google that for you."
>>> 4. Do you mean "Langer" as in slang for penis?   That comment seems out 
>>> of order on several levels.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:52 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
 I'm with Kevin and Denise on this one.
 
 This is a list about dark black music and rhythm control. With all due 
 respect, a single mod who makes corn music doesn't really cut in 
 politically.
 
 Noi offense Eamonn but at least Denise has a langer ;-)
 
 cheers
 
 C
 
> 
 
>> -- 
>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
>> ethnomusicologist 
>> schoolcraftwax.work
 -- 
 Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
 ethnomusicologist 
 schoolcraftwax.work

RE: What this list is and isn't about

[The Archiver]

3. I have the job of list administrator (not moderator) because no one else 
wanted it. 

 

Maybe it’s time you passed the baton over to someone else. It’s clear that this 
list sometimes needs a small amount of moderation. You’re obviously not the 
person to do this as you have repeatedly done nothing in the past and this list 
has lost valuable contributors because of your lack of action. 

 

There should be more than one moderator so it’s not just one person opinion 
that shapes this list. 

 

 

 

From: kent williams [mailto:chaircrus...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 30 June 2020 15:35
To: list 313 <313@hyperreal.org>
Subject: What this list is and isn't about

 

1. Detroit techno music

2. Detroit house music

3. Music inspired by Detroint techno and house music

4. Ghettotech & Jit.

5. The people who make 1-4

6. The social and political context of 1-5

What it isn't about:
1. Any individual list member unless they're in #5 above
2. The list admin.

Since you're coming for me in particular.
0. "Corn music" - are you having a laugh?
1. "With all due respect" is a euphemism for "You supreme bell-end" "No 
offense" means "I'm going to be offensive."

2. I have made 3 albums and several EPs and I generally don't bring them up 
here. While I count Detroit music as a huge influence, my music has diverged 
from anything that could be called techno, so I've made myself off-topic.

3. I have the job of list administrator (not moderator) because no one else 
wanted it.  I do the best I can and if you don't like it, unsubscribe. I posted 
instructions on how to do so the other day in the spirit of "Let me google that 
for you."
4. Do you mean "Langer" as in slang for penis?   That comment seems out of 
order on several levels.



On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:52 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net 
<mailto:3...@coke-smyth.net> > wrote:

I'm with Kevin and Denise on this one.

This is a list about dark black music and rhythm control. With all due 
respect, a single mod who makes corn music doesn't really cut in 
politically.

Noi offense Eamonn but at least Denise has a langer ;-)

cheers

C

Re: What this list is and isn't about

[Joe Marougi]

Not sure if you’re familiar with the context with that racist group and
Karen’s actions here.  Apparently not?

If so you’d see that my comment was spot on.




On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:04 AM Daniel Bean  wrote:

> This sounds quite racist.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 6:59 PM Joe Marougi  wrote:
>
>> Don’t you have a black Hebrew Israelite rally to attend as the designated
>> foot-kisser??
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:57 AM Denise Dalphond <
>> denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh wow. I skim emails out of habit from being a mom in graduate school
>>> all those years. Somebody said I have a penis? No. I just remind you how
>>> small and skinny yours is. Or my alphaness just makes it limp. Either way,
>>> you’re too short.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:45 PM The Archiver <
>>> thearchi...@thearchiver.net> wrote:
>>>
 Can you close the door on your way out...



 On 30 Jun 2020, at 17:52, Denise Dalphond 
 wrote:

 
 I’m still on the list, yo.

 This list is about making a huge deal about something and then not
 doing it.

 Have you just been listening to DJ Hyperactive instead of dealing with
 Hyperreal, Dan Sicko? Oh I mean Kent.


 On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:36 AM kent williams 
 wrote:

> 1. Detroit techno music
> 2. Detroit house music
> 3. Music inspired by Detroint techno and house music
> 4. Ghettotech & Jit.
> 5. The people who make 1-4
> 6. The social and political context of 1-5
>
> What it isn't about:
> 1. Any individual list member unless they're in #5 above
> 2. The list admin.
>
> Since you're coming for me in particular.
> 0. "Corn music" - are you having a laugh?
> 1. "With all due respect" is a euphemism for "You supreme bell-end"
> "No offense" means "I'm going to be offensive."
> 2. I have made 3 albums and several EPs and I generally don't bring
> them up here. While I count Detroit music as a huge influence, my music 
> has
> diverged from anything that could be called techno, so I've made myself
> off-topic.
> 3. I have the job of list administrator (not moderator) because no one
> else wanted it.  I do the best I can and if you don't like it, 
> unsubscribe.
> I posted instructions on how to do so the other day in the spirit of "Let
> me google that for you."
> 4. Do you mean "Langer" as in slang for penis?   That comment seems
> out of order on several levels.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:52 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
>
>> I'm with Kevin and Denise on this one.
>>
>> This is a list about dark black music and rhythm control. With all
>> due
>> respect, a single mod who makes corn music doesn't really cut in
>> politically.
>>
>> Noi offense Eamonn but at least Denise has a langer ;-)
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> C
>>
>>
>> --
 Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
 ethnomusicologist
 schoolcraftwax.work

 --
>>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
>>> ethnomusicologist
>>> schoolcraftwax.work
>>>
>>

Re: What this list is and isn't about

[Denise Dalphond]

Did I just get called Jesus’ friend?

Take me off the list. Why is this so challenging for you. Maybe you a drama
queen.



On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 2:00 PM Roberto Ty  wrote:

> Ok please stop all this nonsense on both sides. Rise above and stay on
> topic. Keep the personal attacks away from this list.
>
> On Jun 30, 2020, at 1:59 PM, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>
> Don’t you have a black Hebrew Israelite rally to attend as the designated
> foot-kisser??
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:57 AM Denise Dalphond 
> wrote:
>
>> Oh wow. I skim emails out of habit from being a mom in graduate school
>> all those years. Somebody said I have a penis? No. I just remind you how
>> small and skinny yours is. Or my alphaness just makes it limp. Either way,
>> you’re too short.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:45 PM The Archiver 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Can you close the door on your way out...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 30 Jun 2020, at 17:52, Denise Dalphond 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> I’m still on the list, yo.
>>>
>>> This list is about making a huge deal about something and then not doing
>>> it.
>>>
>>> Have you just been listening to DJ Hyperactive instead of dealing with
>>> Hyperreal, Dan Sicko? Oh I mean Kent.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:36 AM kent williams 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 1. Detroit techno music
 2. Detroit house music
 3. Music inspired by Detroint techno and house music
 4. Ghettotech & Jit.
 5. The people who make 1-4
 6. The social and political context of 1-5

 What it isn't about:
 1. Any individual list member unless they're in #5 above
 2. The list admin.

 Since you're coming for me in particular.
 0. "Corn music" - are you having a laugh?
 1. "With all due respect" is a euphemism for "You supreme bell-end" "No
 offense" means "I'm going to be offensive."
 2. I have made 3 albums and several EPs and I generally don't bring
 them up here. While I count Detroit music as a huge influence, my music has
 diverged from anything that could be called techno, so I've made myself
 off-topic.
 3. I have the job of list administrator (not moderator) because no one
 else wanted it.  I do the best I can and if you don't like it, unsubscribe.
 I posted instructions on how to do so the other day in the spirit of "Let
 me google that for you."
 4. Do you mean "Langer" as in slang for penis?   That comment seems out
 of order on several levels.


 On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:52 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:

> I'm with Kevin and Denise on this one.
>
> This is a list about dark black music and rhythm control. With all due
> respect, a single mod who makes corn music doesn't really cut in
> politically.
>
> Noi offense Eamonn but at least Denise has a langer ;-)
>
> cheers
>
> C
>
>
> --
>>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
>>> ethnomusicologist
>>> schoolcraftwax.work
>>>
>>> --
>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
>> ethnomusicologist
>> schoolcraftwax.work
>>
>
> --
Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
ethnomusicologist
schoolcraftwax.work

Re: What this list is and isn't about

[Daniel Bean]

This sounds quite racist.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 6:59 PM Joe Marougi  wrote:

> Don’t you have a black Hebrew Israelite rally to attend as the designated
> foot-kisser??
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:57 AM Denise Dalphond 
> wrote:
>
>> Oh wow. I skim emails out of habit from being a mom in graduate school
>> all those years. Somebody said I have a penis? No. I just remind you how
>> small and skinny yours is. Or my alphaness just makes it limp. Either way,
>> you’re too short.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:45 PM The Archiver 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Can you close the door on your way out...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 30 Jun 2020, at 17:52, Denise Dalphond 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> I’m still on the list, yo.
>>>
>>> This list is about making a huge deal about something and then not doing
>>> it.
>>>
>>> Have you just been listening to DJ Hyperactive instead of dealing with
>>> Hyperreal, Dan Sicko? Oh I mean Kent.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:36 AM kent williams 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 1. Detroit techno music
 2. Detroit house music
 3. Music inspired by Detroint techno and house music
 4. Ghettotech & Jit.
 5. The people who make 1-4
 6. The social and political context of 1-5

 What it isn't about:
 1. Any individual list member unless they're in #5 above
 2. The list admin.

 Since you're coming for me in particular.
 0. "Corn music" - are you having a laugh?
 1. "With all due respect" is a euphemism for "You supreme bell-end" "No
 offense" means "I'm going to be offensive."
 2. I have made 3 albums and several EPs and I generally don't bring
 them up here. While I count Detroit music as a huge influence, my music has
 diverged from anything that could be called techno, so I've made myself
 off-topic.
 3. I have the job of list administrator (not moderator) because no one
 else wanted it.  I do the best I can and if you don't like it, unsubscribe.
 I posted instructions on how to do so the other day in the spirit of "Let
 me google that for you."
 4. Do you mean "Langer" as in slang for penis?   That comment seems out
 of order on several levels.


 On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:52 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:

> I'm with Kevin and Denise on this one.
>
> This is a list about dark black music and rhythm control. With all due
> respect, a single mod who makes corn music doesn't really cut in
> politically.
>
> Noi offense Eamonn but at least Denise has a langer ;-)
>
> cheers
>
> C
>
>
> --
>>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
>>> ethnomusicologist
>>> schoolcraftwax.work
>>>
>>> --
>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
>> ethnomusicologist
>> schoolcraftwax.work
>>
>

Re: What this list is and isn't about

[Roberto Ty]

Ok please stop all this nonsense on both sides. Rise above and stay on topic. 
Keep the personal attacks away from this list.

> On Jun 30, 2020, at 1:59 PM, Joe Marougi  wrote:
> 
> Don’t you have a black Hebrew Israelite rally to attend as the designated 
> foot-kisser??
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:57 AM Denise Dalphond  > wrote:
> Oh wow. I skim emails out of habit from being a mom in graduate school all 
> those years. Somebody said I have a penis? No. I just remind you how small 
> and skinny yours is. Or my alphaness just makes it limp. Either way, you’re 
> too short. 
> 
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:45 PM The Archiver  > wrote:
> Can you close the door on your way out...
> 
> 
> 
>> On 30 Jun 2020, at 17:52, Denise Dalphond > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I’m still on the list, yo. 
>> 
>> This list is about making a huge deal about something and then not doing it. 
>> 
>> Have you just been listening to DJ Hyperactive instead of dealing with 
>> Hyperreal, Dan Sicko? Oh I mean Kent. 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:36 AM kent williams > > wrote:
>> 1. Detroit techno music
>> 2. Detroit house music
>> 3. Music inspired by Detroint techno and house music
>> 4. Ghettotech & Jit.
>> 5. The people who make 1-4
>> 6. The social and political context of 1-5
>> 
>> What it isn't about:
>> 1. Any individual list member unless they're in #5 above
>> 2. The list admin.
>> 
>> Since you're coming for me in particular.
>> 0. "Corn music" - are you having a laugh?
>> 1. "With all due respect" is a euphemism for "You supreme bell-end" "No 
>> offense" means "I'm going to be offensive."
>> 2. I have made 3 albums and several EPs and I generally don't bring them up 
>> here. While I count Detroit music as a huge influence, my music has diverged 
>> from anything that could be called techno, so I've made myself off-topic.
>> 3. I have the job of list administrator (not moderator) because no one else 
>> wanted it.  I do the best I can and if you don't like it, unsubscribe. I 
>> posted instructions on how to do so the other day in the spirit of "Let me 
>> google that for you."
>> 4. Do you mean "Langer" as in slang for penis?   That comment seems out of 
>> order on several levels.
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:52 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net <>> wrote:
>> I'm with Kevin and Denise on this one.
>> 
>> This is a list about dark black music and rhythm control. With all due 
>> respect, a single mod who makes corn music doesn't really cut in 
>> politically.
>> 
>> Noi offense Eamonn but at least Denise has a langer ;-)
>> 
>> cheers
>> 
>> C
>> 
> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
>> ethnomusicologist 
>> schoolcraftwax.work -- 
> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
> ethnomusicologist 
> schoolcraftwax.work 

Re: What this list is and isn't about

[Joe Marougi]

Don’t you have a black Hebrew Israelite rally to attend as the designated
foot-kisser??



On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:57 AM Denise Dalphond 
wrote:

> Oh wow. I skim emails out of habit from being a mom in graduate school all
> those years. Somebody said I have a penis? No. I just remind you how small
> and skinny yours is. Or my alphaness just makes it limp. Either way, you’re
> too short.
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:45 PM The Archiver 
> wrote:
>
>> Can you close the door on your way out...
>>
>>
>>
>> On 30 Jun 2020, at 17:52, Denise Dalphond 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I’m still on the list, yo.
>>
>> This list is about making a huge deal about something and then not doing
>> it.
>>
>> Have you just been listening to DJ Hyperactive instead of dealing with
>> Hyperreal, Dan Sicko? Oh I mean Kent.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:36 AM kent williams 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 1. Detroit techno music
>>> 2. Detroit house music
>>> 3. Music inspired by Detroint techno and house music
>>> 4. Ghettotech & Jit.
>>> 5. The people who make 1-4
>>> 6. The social and political context of 1-5
>>>
>>> What it isn't about:
>>> 1. Any individual list member unless they're in #5 above
>>> 2. The list admin.
>>>
>>> Since you're coming for me in particular.
>>> 0. "Corn music" - are you having a laugh?
>>> 1. "With all due respect" is a euphemism for "You supreme bell-end" "No
>>> offense" means "I'm going to be offensive."
>>> 2. I have made 3 albums and several EPs and I generally don't bring them
>>> up here. While I count Detroit music as a huge influence, my music has
>>> diverged from anything that could be called techno, so I've made myself
>>> off-topic.
>>> 3. I have the job of list administrator (not moderator) because no one
>>> else wanted it.  I do the best I can and if you don't like it, unsubscribe.
>>> I posted instructions on how to do so the other day in the spirit of "Let
>>> me google that for you."
>>> 4. Do you mean "Langer" as in slang for penis?   That comment seems out
>>> of order on several levels.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:52 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
>>>
 I'm with Kevin and Denise on this one.

 This is a list about dark black music and rhythm control. With all due
 respect, a single mod who makes corn music doesn't really cut in
 politically.

 Noi offense Eamonn but at least Denise has a langer ;-)

 cheers

 C


 --
>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
>> ethnomusicologist
>> schoolcraftwax.work
>>
>> --
> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
> ethnomusicologist
> schoolcraftwax.work
>

Re: What this list is and isn't about

[Denise Dalphond]

Oh wow. I skim emails out of habit from being a mom in graduate school all
those years. Somebody said I have a penis? No. I just remind you how small
and skinny yours is. Or my alphaness just makes it limp. Either way, you’re
too short.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:45 PM The Archiver 
wrote:

> Can you close the door on your way out...
>
>
>
> On 30 Jun 2020, at 17:52, Denise Dalphond 
> wrote:
>
> 
> I’m still on the list, yo.
>
> This list is about making a huge deal about something and then not doing
> it.
>
> Have you just been listening to DJ Hyperactive instead of dealing with
> Hyperreal, Dan Sicko? Oh I mean Kent.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:36 AM kent williams 
> wrote:
>
>> 1. Detroit techno music
>> 2. Detroit house music
>> 3. Music inspired by Detroint techno and house music
>> 4. Ghettotech & Jit.
>> 5. The people who make 1-4
>> 6. The social and political context of 1-5
>>
>> What it isn't about:
>> 1. Any individual list member unless they're in #5 above
>> 2. The list admin.
>>
>> Since you're coming for me in particular.
>> 0. "Corn music" - are you having a laugh?
>> 1. "With all due respect" is a euphemism for "You supreme bell-end" "No
>> offense" means "I'm going to be offensive."
>> 2. I have made 3 albums and several EPs and I generally don't bring them
>> up here. While I count Detroit music as a huge influence, my music has
>> diverged from anything that could be called techno, so I've made myself
>> off-topic.
>> 3. I have the job of list administrator (not moderator) because no one
>> else wanted it.  I do the best I can and if you don't like it, unsubscribe.
>> I posted instructions on how to do so the other day in the spirit of "Let
>> me google that for you."
>> 4. Do you mean "Langer" as in slang for penis?   That comment seems out
>> of order on several levels.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:52 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm with Kevin and Denise on this one.
>>>
>>> This is a list about dark black music and rhythm control. With all due
>>> respect, a single mod who makes corn music doesn't really cut in
>>> politically.
>>>
>>> Noi offense Eamonn but at least Denise has a langer ;-)
>>>
>>> cheers
>>>
>>> C
>>>
>>>
>>> --
> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
> ethnomusicologist
> schoolcraftwax.work
>
> --
Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
ethnomusicologist
schoolcraftwax.work

Re: What this list is and isn't about

[Joe Marougi]

❤️

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:45 AM The Archiver 
wrote:

> Can you close the door on your way out...
>
>
>
> On 30 Jun 2020, at 17:52, Denise Dalphond 
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> I’m still on the list, yo.
>
> This list is about making a huge deal about something and then not doing
> it.
>
> Have you just been listening to DJ Hyperactive instead of dealing with
> Hyperreal, Dan Sicko? Oh I mean Kent.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:36 AM kent williams 
> wrote:
>
>> 1. Detroit techno music
>> 2. Detroit house music
>> 3. Music inspired by Detroint techno and house music
>> 4. Ghettotech & Jit.
>> 5. The people who make 1-4
>> 6. The social and political context of 1-5
>>
>> What it isn't about:
>> 1. Any individual list member unless they're in #5 above
>> 2. The list admin.
>>
>> Since you're coming for me in particular.
>> 0. "Corn music" - are you having a laugh?
>> 1. "With all due respect" is a euphemism for "You supreme bell-end" "No
>> offense" means "I'm going to be offensive."
>> 2. I have made 3 albums and several EPs and I generally don't bring them
>> up here. While I count Detroit music as a huge influence, my music has
>> diverged from anything that could be called techno, so I've made myself
>> off-topic.
>> 3. I have the job of list administrator (not moderator) because no one
>> else wanted it.  I do the best I can and if you don't like it, unsubscribe.
>> I posted instructions on how to do so the other day in the spirit of "Let
>> me google that for you."
>> 4. Do you mean "Langer" as in slang for penis?   That comment seems out
>> of order on several levels.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:52 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm with Kevin and Denise on this one.
>>>
>>> This is a list about dark black music and rhythm control. With all due
>>> respect, a single mod who makes corn music doesn't really cut in
>>> politically.
>>>
>>> Noi offense Eamonn but at least Denise has a langer ;-)
>>>
>>> cheers
>>>
>>> C
>>>
>>>
>>> --
> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
> ethnomusicologist
> schoolcraftwax.work
>
>

Re: What this list is and isn't about

[The Archiver]

Can you close the door on your way out...



> On 30 Jun 2020, at 17:52, Denise Dalphond  wrote:
> 
> 
> I’m still on the list, yo. 
> 
> This list is about making a huge deal about something and then not doing it. 
> 
> Have you just been listening to DJ Hyperactive instead of dealing with 
> Hyperreal, Dan Sicko? Oh I mean Kent. 
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:36 AM kent williams  
>> wrote:
>> 1. Detroit techno music
>> 2. Detroit house music
>> 3. Music inspired by Detroint techno and house music
>> 4. Ghettotech & Jit.
>> 5. The people who make 1-4
>> 6. The social and political context of 1-5
>> 
>> What it isn't about:
>> 1. Any individual list member unless they're in #5 above
>> 2. The list admin.
>> 
>> Since you're coming for me in particular.
>> 0. "Corn music" - are you having a laugh?
>> 1. "With all due respect" is a euphemism for "You supreme bell-end" "No 
>> offense" means "I'm going to be offensive."
>> 2. I have made 3 albums and several EPs and I generally don't bring them up 
>> here. While I count Detroit music as a huge influence, my music has diverged 
>> from anything that could be called techno, so I've made myself off-topic.
>> 3. I have the job of list administrator (not moderator) because no one else 
>> wanted it.  I do the best I can and if you don't like it, unsubscribe. I 
>> posted instructions on how to do so the other day in the spirit of "Let me 
>> google that for you."
>> 4. Do you mean "Langer" as in slang for penis?   That comment seems out of 
>> order on several levels.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:52 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
>>> I'm with Kevin and Denise on this one.
>>> 
>>> This is a list about dark black music and rhythm control. With all due 
>>> respect, a single mod who makes corn music doesn't really cut in 
>>> politically.
>>> 
>>> Noi offense Eamonn but at least Denise has a langer ;-)
>>> 
>>> cheers
>>> 
>>> C
>>> 
>>> 
> -- 
> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
> ethnomusicologist 
> schoolcraftwax.work

Re: What this list is and isn't about

[Joe Marougi]

Anybody else picture this as soon as they see a message from her?

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7a/a9/d6/7aa9d64c4ef973a92e72b700a028ab1f.jpg




On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:52 AM Denise Dalphond 
wrote:

> I’m still on the list, yo.
>
> This list is about making a huge deal about something and then not doing
> it.
>
> Have you just been listening to DJ Hyperactive instead of dealing with
> Hyperreal, Dan Sicko? Oh I mean Kent.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:36 AM kent williams 
> wrote:
>
>> 1. Detroit techno music
>> 2. Detroit house music
>> 3. Music inspired by Detroint techno and house music
>> 4. Ghettotech & Jit.
>> 5. The people who make 1-4
>> 6. The social and political context of 1-5
>>
>> What it isn't about:
>> 1. Any individual list member unless they're in #5 above
>> 2. The list admin.
>>
>> Since you're coming for me in particular.
>> 0. "Corn music" - are you having a laugh?
>> 1. "With all due respect" is a euphemism for "You supreme bell-end" "No
>> offense" means "I'm going to be offensive."
>> 2. I have made 3 albums and several EPs and I generally don't bring them
>> up here. While I count Detroit music as a huge influence, my music has
>> diverged from anything that could be called techno, so I've made myself
>> off-topic.
>> 3. I have the job of list administrator (not moderator) because no one
>> else wanted it.  I do the best I can and if you don't like it, unsubscribe.
>> I posted instructions on how to do so the other day in the spirit of "Let
>> me google that for you."
>> 4. Do you mean "Langer" as in slang for penis?   That comment seems out
>> of order on several levels.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:52 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm with Kevin and Denise on this one.
>>>
>>> This is a list about dark black music and rhythm control. With all due
>>> respect, a single mod who makes corn music doesn't really cut in
>>> politically.
>>>
>>> Noi offense Eamonn but at least Denise has a langer ;-)
>>>
>>> cheers
>>>
>>> C
>>>
>>>
>>> --
> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
> ethnomusicologist
> schoolcraftwax.work
>

Re: What this list is and isn't about

[Denise Dalphond]

I’m still on the list, yo.

This list is about making a huge deal about something and then not doing
it.

Have you just been listening to DJ Hyperactive instead of dealing with
Hyperreal, Dan Sicko? Oh I mean Kent.


On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:36 AM kent williams 
wrote:

> 1. Detroit techno music
> 2. Detroit house music
> 3. Music inspired by Detroint techno and house music
> 4. Ghettotech & Jit.
> 5. The people who make 1-4
> 6. The social and political context of 1-5
>
> What it isn't about:
> 1. Any individual list member unless they're in #5 above
> 2. The list admin.
>
> Since you're coming for me in particular.
> 0. "Corn music" - are you having a laugh?
> 1. "With all due respect" is a euphemism for "You supreme bell-end" "No
> offense" means "I'm going to be offensive."
> 2. I have made 3 albums and several EPs and I generally don't bring them
> up here. While I count Detroit music as a huge influence, my music has
> diverged from anything that could be called techno, so I've made myself
> off-topic.
> 3. I have the job of list administrator (not moderator) because no one
> else wanted it.  I do the best I can and if you don't like it, unsubscribe.
> I posted instructions on how to do so the other day in the spirit of "Let
> me google that for you."
> 4. Do you mean "Langer" as in slang for penis?   That comment seems out of
> order on several levels.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:52 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
>
>> I'm with Kevin and Denise on this one.
>>
>> This is a list about dark black music and rhythm control. With all due
>> respect, a single mod who makes corn music doesn't really cut in
>> politically.
>>
>> Noi offense Eamonn but at least Denise has a langer ;-)
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> C
>>
>>
>> --
Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
ethnomusicologist
schoolcraftwax.work

What this list is and isn't about

[kent williams]

1. Detroit techno music
2. Detroit house music
3. Music inspired by Detroint techno and house music
4. Ghettotech & Jit.
5. The people who make 1-4
6. The social and political context of 1-5

What it isn't about:
1. Any individual list member unless they're in #5 above
2. The list admin.

Since you're coming for me in particular.
0. "Corn music" - are you having a laugh?
1. "With all due respect" is a euphemism for "You supreme bell-end" "No
offense" means "I'm going to be offensive."
2. I have made 3 albums and several EPs and I generally don't bring them up
here. While I count Detroit music as a huge influence, my music has
diverged from anything that could be called techno, so I've made myself
off-topic.
3. I have the job of list administrator (not moderator) because no one else
wanted it.  I do the best I can and if you don't like it, unsubscribe. I
posted instructions on how to do so the other day in the spirit of "Let me
google that for you."
4. Do you mean "Langer" as in slang for penis?   That comment seems out of
order on several levels.


On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:52 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:

> I'm with Kevin and Denise on this one.
>
> This is a list about dark black music and rhythm control. With all due
> respect, a single mod who makes corn music doesn't really cut in
> politically.
>
> Noi offense Eamonn but at least Denise has a langer ;-)
>
> cheers
>
> C
>
>
>