Re: Re[2]: [abcusers] spam
Try Toby Rider [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Steven Bennett wrote: Steve Bennett wrote: Hmmn -- I know a way to test that. If you're seeing this message, than that means my theory is probably correct, since the email address I'm using to send this to is NOT subscribed to the list, and I'm sending the message to the abcusers-list address. Well... *That* was an interesting experiment. Pity it actually worked. sigh What was also interesting was how many of the list member's mail programs bounced the message (quite a few). And everyone's replies came to me directly instead of to the list. Phil -- you suggested sending an email to Toby... I'm happy to do that, but I have absolutely no idea where to send that. The only list manager info I have is the subscription website, and there's no contact information there. Do you know? --Steve Bennett To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html -- Thomas Keays [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Project for someone or already available?
Displaying the first n bars would be my preference. It is a feature I would certainly use (and would save me having to generate such things by hand). Um, how hard would it then be to export this index of incipits to abcm2ps? Tom On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, Phil Taylor wrote: An index of incipits. It is a frequently-requested feature, and something I've been thinking about. Displaying such a beast in BarFly is difficult to fit in with the current user interface. One possibility would be to give the program the option of displaying only the first line, or the first n bars of each tune. Then you could select the whole file (or some subset of tunes) and print it. Would that do? To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] AbcIde
I was trying for several hours to download something completely unrelated from SF. I had the same problem. I concluded that they were having some server problem. So I wouldn't blame the abc project. on 1/29/04 7:26 AM, Exu Yangi wrote: From: Bert Van Vreckem [EMAIL PROTECTED] Exu Yangi wrote: mutter I thought I had the sources in the zip file /mutter OK, well I am trying to figure out how to get this puppy onto source forge. snip If you want, you can add your app to the ABC Music Project, already on SourceForge and home of quite a few other ABC related applications. See http://abc.sourceforge.net/ and https://sourceforge.net/projects/abc/. Feel free to contact me in private if you want help with using the SF facilities. If you let me know what your user name is, I'll add you to the project members. I had though that you were gone, since I got this: start of quote -- Not Found The requested URL /NMD/nmd/NMD.zip was not found on this server. -- -- Apache/1.3.26 Server at abc.sourceforge.net Port 80 - end of quote - And its like a couple of times. Cheers, bert I have looked at putting things on source forge, but am now going toward Savannah. The main problem being that sourceforge now wants me to assign them the copyright, along with any future works I may produce ! And they don't want to say anything at all about open source. Thank goes against the spirit, if not the letter, of open source. The idea behind open source is not to copyright it and take total control. However, I would be more than happy to send you the Python sources, if you would like to put them on your website. Phil -- Bert Van Vreckem http://flanders.blackmill.net/ Te audire non possum. Musa sapientum fixa est in aure. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html _ Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the most of your high-speed experience. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-uspage=byoa/premST=1 To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html -- Tom Keays / [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] is BarFly going to interwork with GarageBand?
On Tue, 13 Jan 2004, Phil Taylor wrote: http://www.apple.com/ilife/garageband/ If that's the case I don't see a lot of scope for interworking with BarFly. I got to looking on the Apple web site and found this item for a piano keyboard. Thinking back to the rather interesting recent discussion we had on about keyboard shortcuts for entering abc, this might be even better. Is BarFly one of the many music education and music creation software titles that the keyboard works with? M-Audio Keystation 49e - USB Midi Keyboard The perfect keyboard complement to iLife '04 and GarageBand. The M-Audio Keystation 49e is a 49-note, full size, velocity sensitive USB MIDI keyboard. The M-Audio Keystation 49e is a 49-note full-size, velocity-sensitive USB controller keyboard designed for easy integration with Macintosh computers. Mac users will enjoy the keyboard zero configuration, as the Keystation 49e is class compliant in OS X and needs no other drivers. Providing seamless compatibility with many music education and music creation software titles the 49e is ideal for classrooms and studios alike. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] name that mazurka
I have a slightly different setting: X:1 T:Vincent Campbell's Mazurka #2 T:Phroinsias Ui Mhaonaigh's Mazurka #2 R:mazurka L:1/8 M:3/4 K:G GA|B2 BA GE|DB, D2 B,D|EC E2 CE|DB, D2 GA|B2 BA GE|DB, D2 B,D|E2 F2 D2|G4:| GA|B2 Bc dB|cB c2 DF|A2 A2 dc|BA B2 DG|B2 B2 dB|cB c2 DF|A2 Ac BA|G4:| on 1/8/04 4:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: X:1 T:Mazurka ? M:3/4 L:1/8 K:G DGA|:B2 BAGE|DB, D2 B,D|EC E2 CE|DB, D DGA|B2 BAGE|DB, D2 B,D|E2 F2 D2|[1 G3 DGA:|[2 G3 DGA| |:B2 B2 d2|cB c2 DF|A2 A2 dc|BA B2 GA|B2 B2 d2|cB c2 DF|A2 AcBA|[1 G3 DGA:|[2 G3|| -- Tom Keays / [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] abcm2ps under Panther
I am withdrawing my Mac OS X pre-compiled (binary) package of Jean-Francois Moine's abcm2ps . It has been reported that it does not unpack properly under Panther (Mac OS X 10.3) although it previously worked under Jaguar (10.2). A version of the Macintosh package (abcm2ps 3.7.9) that is more recent than the one I had up is available at the ABC Plus Project, but this very likely won't unpack under Panther either. [Perhaps someone can test this and report back.] Never-the-less, abcm2ps is worth exploring on the Macintosh computer since BarFly, as of version 1.5, interfaces with this program to output tunebooks in Postscript. BarFly also seemlessly passes abcm2ps files to Thomas Kiffe's MacGhostView macps2pdf module to create print-ready PDF tunebooks. When I upgrade to Panther (when I can afford it), I'll probably package up the most recent version and offer for download again. In the meantime, if someone else wants to make a stab at it, a pretty good overview of the process under Panther is described on the MacDevCenter. http://moinejf.free.fr/ http://abcplus.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kiffe.com/macghostview.html http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2003/10/24/unixapps.html -- Tom Keays / [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] abcm2ps update
Look on the abcplus website under binaries - http://abcplus.sourceforge.net/#abcm2ps%20binaries It is current, 3.7.5, same as on Jef's site. - http://moinejf.free.fr/ on 9/20/03 8:04 AM, Rickard Blixt wrote: Where do I get the newest abcm2ps version that is ready for Windows? -- Tom Keays / [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] abc for Pocket PC
on 9/8/03 11:51 AM, Wil Macaulay wrote: can it run Java? If there is a version of J2SE 1.3 or better, I think we could get Skink running on it... wil When I was unsuccessfully looking for an abc program that ran on Pocket PC devices several months ago, I too thought about Skink. However, (in my limited experience with it) I haven't found a way to switch from the three panel default display. Java issues aside, for it to be usable on a Pocket PC's limited screen real estate, Skink would have to toggle between display modes. One mode to view the abc, one mode to view the staff notation. A mode to view the list of tunes in the file would be nice also but not absolutely essential. -- Tom Keays / [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Archive Updated?
Hmm. I was looking for the url that was posted (this morning?) about the abcghost for windows (the minimal package containing abc2ps, ghostview, and abc2midi) and consulted the archives. The Date Index of the abcusers archives - http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/maillist.html seems to be stalled out at 8/25/03 (my own posting, ironically). Is this normal? The list hasn't been busy the past few days, but there has been traffic since then. -- Thomas Keays [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Page break formatting
Yes I agree. My long winded explanation can be boiled down to Irwin's succinct observation. I think Phil need not worry about implementing the %%newpage in BarFly. Especially if he adds the print output features he mentioned. On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, I. Oppenheim wrote: Yes. A newpage directive is only useful for applications that can deal with entire tunebooks, such as abcm2ps and potentially lilypond. Application that operate on the level of individual tunes, can better ignore it. -- Thomas Keays [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] ABC Music project page
This seems like a good place to house the new standard. http://abc.sourceforge.net/ http://abc.sourceforge.net/standard/abc2-draft.html However, whatever happened to Guido Gonzato's description of the current standard. I thought it was quite good; better than text file Chris Walshaw made. It seems to have vanished from: http://abcplus.sourceforge.net/abc-current.html -- Tom Keays / [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Installing abcm2ps on MacOSX
Launch Terminal (which is where abcm2ps lives unless you have some program with a GUI that can export to it; BarFly is supposed to do this in a future version). If you do a which command, you will find it in a fairly standard place. (BTW, % is given here as a generic Unix prompt.) % which abcm2ps /usr/local/bin/abcm2ps Now change directory (cd) to where the abc file lives. If it is in the your user folder, you are already there. If the file is called infile.abc and is in your desktop, % cd ~/Desktop % abcm2ps infile.abc Or more verbosely % /usr/local/bin/abcm2ps ~/Desktop/infile.abc You should get a postscript file named Out.ps in the same directory as the input file. BTW, the version you're using is the so-called standard version. Download the more featured development release at: - http://abcplus.sourceforge.net/abcm2ps-3.6.2.pkg.sit I made this same mistake and found that most of the cool features (ones I needed too) are not implemented. Phil Taylor turned me on to MacGhostView, a Carbon implememntation of GSView, which includes a copy of a GUI Postscript to PDF interface called Macps2pdf. acGhostview is $20 shareware, but the Macps2pdf which comes with it appears to be free, and works pretty cleanly. You might have to sort the folder that it comes in since it ends up way at the bottom out of sight. http://www.kiffe.com/macghostview.html Tom on 8/14/03 7:36 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need a little help. I have just gone ahead and downloaded abcm2ps-2.11.3.pkg for MacOSX from the sourceforge page, and after unstuffing it, I launched the installer. It seemed to operate appropriately (I have OS 10.2.6) but after it reports that the installation was successful, I cannot find the application anywhere on my hard disk. I have now run the installer twice with the same results. -- Tom Keays / [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] abcm2ps hangs
Huh! I'm running Mac OS X 10.2.4 on a newer iBook. I have the same version of abcm2ps as Phil does, downloaded as a Mac binary from abcplus @ sourceforge, same as his was. The tune converted to postscript no problems at all. No hanging. No overflow problems. Here's the console report. % abcm2ps ~/Desktop/wrens_nest.abc abcm2ps-3.6.2 (June 22, 2003) File /Users/thomaskeays/Desktop/wrens_nest.abc Output written on Out.ps (1 page, 1 title, 21263 bytes) Note, I ran this in Terminal rather than the BarFly export feature. However, just to see, I went back in and exported to abcm2ps from BarFly. Here's that console report. Welcome to Darwin! % /Users/thomaskeays/bfly.com; exit abcm2ps-3.6.2 (June 22, 2003) File infile.abc Output written on Out.ps (1 page, 1 title, 21232 bytes) logout [Process completed] I have had one tune that gave an overflow error. But it didn't hang abcm2ps and it produced fine postscript. Tom on 8/14/03 10:37 AM, Phil Taylor wrote: X:32 T:Wren's Nest, The C:Frankie Gavin R:jig D:De Dannan: Anthem. Z:id:hn-jig-32 M:6/8 K:Edor GAB ded|cAA A2c|BGE EFG|AFD AFD|GAB ded|cAA A2c|BGE AFD|1 GEE E2F:|2 GEE E2D|| |:E2e d2B|cBA B2A|GAB ~d3|cAA BAG|E2e d2B|cBA B2A|GAB cAB|GEE FED:| |:B,EE GED|B,EE E2D|B,EE GAB|AFD AFD|B,EE GED|B,EE E2F|GAB cAB|1 GEE FED:|2 GEE E2F|| -- Tom Keays / [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Roll again
on 8/9/03 5:08 PM, Erik Ronström wrote:
I'm transcribing a Swedish tunebook (Gotlandstoner, folk tunes from Gotland
collected by August Fredin in late 1900 century of about 850 tunes) into ABC.
I look forward to seeing this. There isn't enough Scandinavian music
available on the web.
Now, I have a question on the Irish roll sign (~). It defaults to +roll+ (i
guess, it doesn't say explicitly which +...+ symbol it maps to. Maybe that
would be a good idea?).
We've said this all before. Rolls are instrument (and player) specific.
The whole idea of the roll, unlike classical ornament notation, is that it
be generic (unspecified) and left for the player to determine.
This is a good thing.
I know the question was phrased in terms of the +roll+ notation, but it is
equivalent (near as I can tell) to the following macro notation. [Thanks to
Phil Taylor and his descriptions of roll macros in BarFly, of from which
this is drawn.]
Breandan Breathnach, in the CRE, specifies this for fiddle
rolls. Other instruments were specified with rolls
appropriate to their inherent limitations.
m: ~n2 = (3o/n/m/ n
m: ~n3 = n (3o/n/m/ n
Banjo style rolls. (Sometimes used on fiddle too.)
m: ~n2 = (3nnn
m: ~n3 = (3nnn n
Flute rolls. They can be generalized to this:
m: ~n2 = (3p/n/m/ n
m: ~n3 = n (3p/n/m/ n
but the bottom and top notes have to be handled differently.
m: ~C3 = C (3E/C/D/ C %Cranns on C?
m: ~C2 = (3E/C/D/ C
m: ~c3 = c (3e/c/d/ c
m: ~c2 = (3e/c/d/ c
m: ~D3 = D (3F/D/E/ D %and on D?
m: ~D2 = (3F/D/E/ D
m: ~d3 = d (3f/d/e/ d
m: ~c2 = (3f/d/e/ d
Henrik Norbeck reckons that rolls should be timed like this,
based on experiments with a MIDI sequencer.
m: ~n2 = {o}n{m}n
m: ~n3 = n{o}n{m}n
He specifies that the gracenotes should take their time from
the following note, so perhaps they should be written as
~n2 = o/4n3/4m/4n3/4
~n3 = no/4n3/4m/4n3/4
--
Tom Keays / [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [abcusers] Cattle
on 7/29/03 11:03 AM, Phil Taylor wrote: The singular of cattle is cow. [...] I referred to bull semen at one point and my supervisor (himself a world expert in the field of Reproductive Biology) wanted it changed to cow semen. I saw a man milk a bull, fie, man, fie. I saw a man milk a bull, who's the fool now? I saw a man milk a bull, Every pull a bucketful. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] ABC Standard 2.0 revision III
on 7/28/03 2:55 PM, I. Oppenheim wrote: I hereby publicly release the third draft revision of the ABC 2.0 standard: http://www.joods.nl/~chazzanut/abc/abc2-draft.html I'm confused now. I thought Guido Gonzato was doing this. http://abcplus.sourceforge.net/abc2-draft.html Did I miss the passing of the torch. If not, which one is the definitive version? Irwin's is more up-to-date (I guess) but the structure of the two documents is not completely parallel and some things seem to be gone. E.G., Multiple occurrances of fields is not in Irwin's. http://abcplus.sourceforge.net/abc2-draft.html#Multiple%20occurrances%20of%2 0fields To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Help - getting ABC files on BarFly
on 7/24/03 5:25 AM, Phil Taylor wrote: The Carbon version of BarFly (because it has to live in a Unix environment) can open untyped files provided that they have a .abc or .txt extension, but you won't be able to run that under BasiliskII. But there is hope, even in Unix. You can set file type and creator using Mac OS X Terminal, if you have installed Apple's Developer Tools. Type this to find out the file's Type and Creator. /Developer/Tools/GetFileInfo /Users/thomaskeays/Desktop/McLennan.abc file: /Users/thomaskeays/Desktop/McLennan.abc type: TEXT creator: attributes: avbstclinmed created: 09/17/2001 18:56:58 modified: 09/17/2001 18:56:58 Note this file, because I downloaded it, doesn't have a creator associated with it. Do this /Developer/Tools/SetFile -c Bfly -t TEXT /Users/thomaskeays/Desktop/McLennan.abc where Bfly is the creator designator for BarFly. Run the previous command /Developer/Tools/GetFileInfo /Users/thomaskeays/Desktop/McLennan.abc file: /Users/thomaskeays/Desktop/McLennan.abc type: TEXT creator: Bfly attributes: avbstclinmed created: 09/17/2001 18:56:58 modified: 09/17/2001 18:56:58 To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Help - getting ABC files on BarFly
BTW, instead of /Developer/Tools/GetFileInfo /Users/thomaskeays/Desktop/McLennan.abc I could have typed /Developer/Tools/GetFileInfo ~/Desktop/McLennan.abc Because /Users/thomaskeays is my home directory. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Version 2.0.0 voice overlay and lyrics
We currently have this notation for voice overlay (although this is first I'd ever heard of it). A2 E2 G2 A2|A B c d e f g a A A A A A A A A A G F E D C B, A,|] John Chambers explained was functionally equivalent to doing this. [V:1] A2 E2 G2 A2 | A B c d e f g a |] [V:2] | A A A A A A A A |] [V:3] | A G F E D C B, A,|] He went on, in a later email, to suggest that, because they are actually transient voices that, rather than have to continue to notate the two mostly empty voices throughout a piece that an an alternate notation could be used and he suggested. [V:1] | A2 E2 G2 A2 | A B c d e f g a | g2 f2 e2 a2 |] [V:1+]| | A A A A A A A A | [V:1+]| | A G F E D C B, A,| In a parallel track, Richard Robinson proposed this variant of the first to improve readability, where presumably the second voices were also to be considered transient for that bar. A2 E2 G2 A2 |[v:1] A B c d e f g a [v:2] A A A A A A A A [v:3] A G F E D C B, A,|] OK. I liked John's idea of transient voices as he expressed them: [V:1+]. While using separate lines for each transient voice certainly improves readability, it is much harder to write. I really like the compactness of the original. So, how about combining the two ideas? A2 E2 G2 A2 |[V:1] A B c d e f g a [V:1+] A A A A A A A A [V:1+] A G F E D C B, A,|] Or use Richard's lower case idea [v:1+]. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Version 2.0.0 voice overlay and lyrics
Oooh. I like Jack's suggestion. Mainly because nothing would have to be changed. If it ain't broke and all that... However, I don't think it has to be as complicated as Jack has it. A2 E2 G2 A2 [[ A B c d e f g a \ A A A A A A A A \ A G F E D C B, A, ] D2 E2 A2 ... If the standard already says that A2 E2 G2 A2|A B c d e f g a A A A A A A A A A G F E D C B, A,|] is ok, then A2 E2 G2 A2|A B c d e f g a \ A A A A A A A A \ A G F E D C B, A,|] must also be ok! To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] expected abc audience
Arent Storm wrote: When trying to fit abcusers in a few groups having [1] abc-sightreaders (without much need for software) [2] abc-collectors [3] abc-software-only-users (1st language) [4] abc-as- interchange-file-format-users (2nd language) It is also reasonable to assume that many (most?) of the abc users actually fall in several of these camps. I myself fit into all of them and I would be hard pressed to characterize myself as doing one over any other. I use the plaintext abc as an aid memoire (using my Palm) to jumpstart me on tunes. I maintain a small collection of morris dance tunes. I use BarFly and PalmAbc for transcribing, displaying and playing tunes (especially the former for when I want to check the accuracy of my transcriptions). I frequently send or receive tunes to and from individuals and listservs. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] New standard(s)
Jack Campin writes: I use A: for the author of the words. This violates the 1.6 spec, but the area idea just doesn't work - you can't fit the geographic description of a tune into a one-liner. And in another email continues: Better to use the O: field hierarchically: O:Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada O:Bradford and Bingley, Yorkshire, England There is a corpus of music that uses both the A: and O: fields. In these cases origin O: is used not as a country or province name, but in the sense of nationality and area A: is used as the geographic designator. This example (slightly edited) from Steve Allen's An ABC Library of Morris Tunes http://www.ucolick.org/~sla/morris/music/ shows how tunes have been transcribed out of Lionel Bacon's Handbook of Morris Dancing. Why not use composer/author C: like the standard specifies rather than bullying it into A:? Are you using author in some special sense? How about: C: John Lennon, music C: Paul McCartney, words %abc X:1 T:Beaux of London City M:9/8 C: S:Bacon (News) N:transposed from F to G A:Adderbury O:English R:Slip Jig P:A.(AB3)6 K:G P:A |:\ D | GGG BAG Bd D | G2G B2A G2 \ D | GGG BAG Bd D | GDG B2A G2 :|\ P:B %?: the music demands a rest, but it is not in Bacon |: d2c BAG Bd2 | A2A A2B c3 |\ d2c BAG Bd D | GDG B2A G2 :| To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] !
On Tue, 2003-07-08 at 09:11, Bernard Hill wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Where does this bang thing come from? ! was always called shriek when I were a lad. From a version of the New Hacker's Dictionary http://www.antionline.com/jargon/bang.php bang 1. n. Common spoken name for ! (ASCII 011), especially when used in pronouncing a bang path in spoken hackish. In elder days this was considered a CMUish usage, with MIT and Stanford hackers preferring excl or shriek; but the spread of Unix has carried `bang' with it (esp. via the term bang path) and it is now certainly the most common spoken name for !. Note that it is used exclusively for non-emphatic written !; one would not say Congratulations bang (except possibly for humorous purposes), but if one wanted to specify the exact characters `foo!' one would speak Eff oh oh bang. See shriek, ASCII. 2. interj. An exclamation signifying roughly I have achieved enlightenment!, or The dynamite has cleared out my brain! Often used to acknowledge that one has perpetrated a thinko immediately after one has been called on it. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] proposal for developers: modular ABC
on 7/7/03 2:03 PM, John Chambers wrote: This is one of the reasons that I turned jcabc2ps into a normal unix filter that reads stdin if there are no input files. That way I can stick any sort of preprocessor on the beginning, and not worry about cleaning up intermediate files. Does abcm2ps work this way too? With the discussion on the list to merge the two efforts, this seems like a good first step. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Stars and Bangs
on 7/5/03 9:10 PM, John Walsh wrote: Well, if \ is the symbol for continuation, which tells the program Don't feel you have to put a linebreak here, you could have \\ for and I really mean it. I have to admit I haven't taken the time to fully understand all the ins and out of the codepages discussion but I would have thought that, harking back to the use of \ as an escape character -- ie, that it prints reserved characters -- that \\ would print \ and couldn't be used as a nobreak. Do we have another collision of a character being used in multiple manners? Personally, whenever I see the \ used as a continuation symbol (especially on tunes exchanged in listservs), the first thing I do is remove them. I hadn't tuned into ! as a line-break so much (I will be more aware now) but likely I would do the same thing. Regarding the *, it is a symbol that was mentioned in the 1.6 standard as forcing a right-justified line-break (albeit for MusicTeX which did not do this as the default). Perhaps, despite the widespread instances of ! as line-breaks, it would be better to use * for this -- making * the equivalent of ! and deprecating ! (if you can deprecate something that wasn't in the standard to begin with) -- rather than messing with changing the !...! usage. While !...! may be less used than !, it is already part of the standard. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Re: Stars and Bangs
on 7/6/03 2:55 PM, I. Oppenheim wrote: If there exists an explicit linebreak command, there is no reason why a bare newline should continue to imply a linebreak. You're getting away from the original intent of abc and one that most of the musicians in this group, I think, still want to retain -- i.e., that the abc transcription be HUMAN-readable. Humans don't require explicit !break! commands if there is a newline. I wouldn't want to see a reversal in such a basic assumption in the standard. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Re: Stars and Bangs
on 7/6/03 3:03 PM, Jeff Bigler wrote: If there exists an explicit linebreak command, there is no reason why a bare newline should continue to imply a linebreak. I can think of two reasons. a) There's a lot of ABC already in existence that depends on that assumption. b) It's nice to have the two levels of linebreak, one that can be overridden and one that can't. Jeff said it better than I did. There is nothing to prevent me from transcribing a tune so I can read it directly from the abc itself. Irwin's proposal doesn't preclude that since the !break! would only be used if the abc program wasn't handling a particular linebreak correctly. However, why complicate something that already works just fine? And as Jeff says, it would be nice to have the two levels of linebreak. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Stars and Bangs
on 7/6/03 3:16 PM, I. Oppenheim wrote: \\ will be equivalent to !break! * will be equivalent to !nobreak! But * is already part of the standard as a right-justified linebreak and I've seen plenty of tunes that use it. Furthermore, \ is already used as a continuation so having \\ as a linebreak is counterintuitive. I think the first idea of \\ = !nobreak! * = !break! was better. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] explicit !break!
on 7/6/03 3:33 PM, I. Oppenheim wrote: a) There's a lot of ABC already in existence that depends on that assumption. As I said already, I seriously doubt that. Tunes for which the linebreaks are important for some reason or another, should make them explicit. No really. Look at all the Irish tunes on the web that are set in phrases of four or eight bars so that you can see the patterns in the tunes. Classical musicians don't (necessarily) do this since they are sight-reading the music, but folk musicians who use the written music to memorize it, most certainly DO. Newline must be preserved in the standard. Use some other parameter, if you have to, to determine whether the abc parser will adhere to it or ignore it. Use the explicit !break! or !nobreak! designators as you see fit. OK. I'm done with this thread. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] BarFly style macros
on 7/6/03 5:21 PM, Henrik Norbeck wrote:
Phil, I've got a question for you, since I've never tried BarFly myself.
How do you actually treat the macros when it comes to playback
and printing.
m: ~G3=G{A}G{F}G
Is that only for playback? Or do you use it for printing too?
You go to Viewer Preferences... and click the Enable macros option and it
substitutes the notes for the ~ ornament. If it isn't enabled, the ~
appears above or below the note (depending on where the note is on the
staff). I mostly leave it turned off for viewing and on for playing.
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Re: [abcusers] source and copyright
This discuss has me thinking that there are two conflicting needs at work here. On one hand, as pointed out by John and others, there are already fields in place where copyright related information can be included. On the other hand, represented by Laura and whoever it was that started off this thread, there is a desire to format the output of abc files in a specific way so as to include the copyright information in a manner comparable to how it is formatted on printed sheet music. I was reminded in this of the similarity in the evolution of abc and html. With html, browsers came into existence that formatted tags in a specific, proprietary, and often conflicting way -- i.e., Netscape and Explorer had differing ways to display given tags. Similarly, there are many abc programs in existence that have varying ways of handling and displaying the same abc tune. We're never going to get anywhere in this discussion because we all have different preferences for how the output of an abc file is handled. abc, like html, is meant to be a language for encoding the content, not for specifying the presentation. In web pages, there is an ever growing movement to separate the content from the presentation -- html (or xml) for the content and cascading style sheets for the presentation of the content. With two different style sheets, the same html can be displayed completely differently according to the wishes of the author. So how about the creation of a style sheet language to overlay on top of abc itself? John == John Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John This is the main advantage of that little circle-c in a C or Z line. John In the C line, it says that the composition itself is copyright by John the composer; in the Z line, it says that the transcription (but not John the music) is copyright by the transcriber. A copyright symbol on a B John or D line similarly tells you who owns rights to the book or John recording, although they may not own the tune itself. This is a nice theory. Unfortunately, the way the abc printing programs I know anything about deal with the C: line doesn't correspond to the way any printed music I know of would actually print a copyright. That is, what you expect printed music to have is something like: Title Composer name first page of music (c) date Composer name If I say in my ABC: C: Laura Conrad (c) 2003 it's not going to print that way. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] abc repository similiar to olga.net?
There is Richard Moon's TuneDB http://tunedb.woodenflute.com/ which has several thousand tunes in it. It allows searching by name or abc fragment. Very cool. on 3/3/03 3:33 PM, Toby Rider wrote: Has anyone thought of compiling a centralized database of abc tunes similar to olga.net.. I find that resource incredibly useful. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] Re: abcusers-digest V1 #839
John wrote: This is feasible right now. If I'd had a PowerBook with its nifty wireless stuff, could it have handled the task? If so, I could have also displayed the music on a real screen that people could read, unlike the tiny window on my cell phone. But look as I might, I can't tell if there's a way to make the Mac connect to the Net like my cute little phone can. The answer is no. You have to be in range of a WiFi wireless network -- ie, a range of 150 feet. So unless you happen to be playing in a Starbucks or at an airport, then the likelihood of finding a network is pretty slim. However, Powerbooks come with Bluetooth (very short range -- couple of feet -- networks) cards now so you might still be able to do the cell phone trick if your phone also has Bluetooth. Haven't tried it myself. Tom To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] abc in web pages
Has anyone ever put together a HOWTO for serving abc, midi, gif, png, and pdf from a server? I know of the various abc projects from sourceforge and elsewhere. I've checked out bits of it casually but haven't really figured out how you get past abc2ps (ie, I see how to get from abc to postscript, but not beyond that). From: John Chambers 2. Have just the ABC on hand, and convert it on the fly via CGI programs. This looks the same to a user, but is slower. It uses CPU time on the server. But the only extra disk space is the programs. From: Jon Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] A reason I haven't seen given for going for #2 is the flexibilty and ease of maintanence it offers. For example, as it stands, I can offer any song at folkinfo in abc, MIDI, png and pdf and in any key. If there was for example to be found an error in the tune or a typo in the lyrics, only one change would be needed. Tom To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[abcusers] RE: Pocket PC player?
Keith wrote: I seen, and heard, abc player software for Palm PDAs. Are there any out there for Pocket PC 2002 systems? I'm on this list in digest mode which means that everybody else probably answered this already, but here goes. Steve (?) who created PalmABC said at one point that he was writing a PocketPC version. Steve's Palm software is mostly a player and editor and does not display tunes in staff notation so I don't know if that is an indicator what the PocketPC software will be. I haven't heard of any other efforts but I know that they would be welcome. http://www.gander.demon.co.uk/palmabc.htm As long as I am here, I'll ask my own question: Has anyone tried to port unix abc software to the Sharp Zaurus which runs Linux and Java? That would be cool! Tom To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
