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where is the original topic? should we roll back to that topic, or it is awated for a week or two. if anyone of us wish to start a group, i think, he or she can start and inform the list. thanks. - Original Message - From: Chetan Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on No sir, though, you have not proven your point at all, but i still think personal comments should be avoided, If i like, i can start to think that earth is flat and nobody will object it as long as i don't argue that earth is really flat and try to convince others to believe the same. But if i decide that i will keep on insisting my view point till all persons in the world agree that earth is flat, this will not work at all. Still, i am not able to understand why sexual harassment of Blind women is beyond the scope of this list. When we discuss each and every problem faced by VIs then why to exclude this one? Are we selfish enough to think that since we majority of male will not face this problem therefore it is off topic? Now, i realize why one of our friend, Rajesh Parakh went so far to put forward his thoughts. Regards, Chetan Sharma - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 7:54 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on I have proved my point beyond doubt. These personal remarks in no way going to either hurt me nor I would like that I should reciprocate you in this public foray. Who is a disgrace to whom could be proved by reasons and deeds! But here it is not in my agenda of discussion! these personal remarks certainly could put you in trouble. Laws regarding defamation are very strong. In case I file a suit against you would have to deposit your passport and visit for attending the courts here. But rest assured I am not going to do any of such thing. With care and concern, Vip - Original Message - From: Vetrivel Murugan Adhimoolam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on That's indeed very true. But my another concern is that those poor students who have to listen to similar things in their class room and it can actually give a bad name to visually impaired community. - Original Message - From: Taraprakash [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Dear sir. Talking about sex and sexual harassment are two different things. If the mail I am responding to was written by a college lecturer, I am afraid, we can't stop this evil. You really need a refresher course for social and gender sensitization. Good luck - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on At least my friends have realized that this topic is a deviation from the central focus of this group. I hope in future they would find a legitimate forum to raise such issues. As far as my friend who suggested that this issue could be raised on a group called dreams and romance. I don't think he made any invaluable suggestion. The issue of sexual harassment is a love crime it could always be dealt on such forums. If we could discuss issues arising out of virus and malwares on this list related to technology. Than why not such maladies be discussed in the pertinent list. It is a crime related to romance and emotions. So its remedy could always be sought on such list. Where people should understand the value of some one's emotions. Discussing sex is not a crime rather as Freud puts it is the motive force in guiding human behavior whether professional or otherwise. In this list we can discuss cyber crimes not crimes related to sex. The discussion should be conclusive only when every body is convinced about certain things which are related to his argument and presumptions. It is always good to argue only healthy arguments could lead us towards a rational approach in life! I would keep on writing till you people are convinced that law has its on importance. No one could let himself be convinced that he or she is above law! With regards, Vip - Original Message - From: P. Subramani [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on What is wrong in discussing issues of sexual harassment particularly those raised
Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on
Friends, We at times get into too much of arguments. There is no need to start another group but hhis group can discuss anything related to blindness. Otherwise there is a group called sayeverything. Please close this topic. Kiran Please. - Original Message - From: BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chetan Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on where is the original topic? should we roll back to that topic, or it is awated for a week or two. if anyone of us wish to start a group, i think, he or she can start and inform the list. thanks. - Original Message - From: Chetan Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on No sir, though, you have not proven your point at all, but i still think personal comments should be avoided, If i like, i can start to think that earth is flat and nobody will object it as long as i don't argue that earth is really flat and try to convince others to believe the same. But if i decide that i will keep on insisting my view point till all persons in the world agree that earth is flat, this will not work at all. Still, i am not able to understand why sexual harassment of Blind women is beyond the scope of this list. When we discuss each and every problem faced by VIs then why to exclude this one? Are we selfish enough to think that since we majority of male will not face this problem therefore it is off topic? Now, i realize why one of our friend, Rajesh Parakh went so far to put forward his thoughts. Regards, Chetan Sharma - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 7:54 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on I have proved my point beyond doubt. These personal remarks in no way going to either hurt me nor I would like that I should reciprocate you in this public foray. Who is a disgrace to whom could be proved by reasons and deeds! But here it is not in my agenda of discussion! these personal remarks certainly could put you in trouble. Laws regarding defamation are very strong. In case I file a suit against you would have to deposit your passport and visit for attending the courts here. But rest assured I am not going to do any of such thing. With care and concern, Vip - Original Message - From: Vetrivel Murugan Adhimoolam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on That's indeed very true. But my another concern is that those poor students who have to listen to similar things in their class room and it can actually give a bad name to visually impaired community. - Original Message - From: Taraprakash [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Dear sir. Talking about sex and sexual harassment are two different things. If the mail I am responding to was written by a college lecturer, I am afraid, we can't stop this evil. You really need a refresher course for social and gender sensitization. Good luck - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on At least my friends have realized that this topic is a deviation from the central focus of this group. I hope in future they would find a legitimate forum to raise such issues. As far as my friend who suggested that this issue could be raised on a group called dreams and romance. I don't think he made any invaluable suggestion. The issue of sexual harassment is a love crime it could always be dealt on such forums. If we could discuss issues arising out of virus and malwares on this list related to technology. Than why not such maladies be discussed in the pertinent list. It is a crime related to romance and emotions. So its remedy could always be sought on such list. Where people should understand the value of some one's emotions. Discussing sex is not a crime rather as Freud puts it is the motive force in guiding human behavior whether professional or otherwise. In this list we can discuss cyber crimes not crimes related to sex. The discussion should be conclusive only when every body is convinced about certain things which are related to his argument and presumptions. It is always good to argue only healthy arguments could lead us
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That's what I believed. But after going through the comments, I have realised its importance and do not consider it a deviation. majority's view respected. - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on At least my friends have realized that this topic is a deviation from the central focus of this group. I hope in future they would find a legitimate forum to raise such issues. As far as my friend who suggested that this issue could be raised on a group called dreams and romance. I don't think he made any invaluable suggestion. The issue of sexual harassment is a love crime it could always be dealt on such forums. If we could discuss issues arising out of virus and malwares on this list related to technology. Than why not such maladies be discussed in the pertinent list. It is a crime related to romance and emotions. So its remedy could always be sought on such list. Where people should understand the value of some one's emotions. Discussing sex is not a crime rather as Freud puts it is the motive force in guiding human behavior whether professional or otherwise. In this list we can discuss cyber crimes not crimes related to sex. The discussion should be conclusive only when every body is convinced about certain things which are related to his argument and presumptions. It is always good to argue only healthy arguments could lead us towards a rational approach in life! I would keep on writing till you people are convinced that law has its on importance. No one could let himself be convinced that he or she is above law! With regards, Vip - Original Message - From: P. Subramani [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on What is wrong in discussing issues of sexual harassment particularly those raised Smirthi Singh? Although our group is for discussing accessibility, once a while there could be a deviation. This topic does really concern all of us. In any group for that matter, there will be some deviation of topics sometimes. So why don't accept and go on rather than otherwise. - Original Message - From: Vetrivel Murugan Adhimoolam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 1:08 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Dear Members, I have personally written to the moderator on this issue. So could we wait until a decision is made on this? Please... - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on I am putting the things in clear words again! Emphasis added it is not a question of discussing matters pertaining to sexual harassment or some thing else and their relevance for VCs. Question is since we have disowned several members from this list already. Why to just pick and choose. It is a known fact that this group is related to issues arising out of accessibility and otherwise. its not that we are that we are not concerned about these social issues. But again the question is, is it a proper forum to rays such issues? Though our parliament is competant to make laws for whole of the territory of india. But it can not alter the basic structure of our consitution. Likewise, the basic structure of this group here is to discuss issues related to accessibility. Then, a bonafide plaint is: Each member shal follow these guide lines if one is law abiding enough. If you want to flout with existing laws than law would take its own course!! With regards, Vip To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http
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Dear Dr. Vipin, I am not sure that my earlier message on AI reached you, as I didn't get the feedback and the same mail in my PC. Since, most of the AI members are of the opinion that sexual harassment of VI women is a very serious issue and can be discussed on AI, please respect the majority opinion and contribute. I am sure, with your vast experience and interaction with students, you should be having constructive suggestions on the subject. We will be obliged, if you share. Let us have your contribution and not objection. Please, let us stop this conflict here. I am very encouraged to sign out of this AI, as I don't understand the negative discussion on such an important subject. Kethan, please note this. regards - Original Message - From: Chetan Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on No sir, though, you have not proven your point at all, but i still think personal comments should be avoided, If i like, i can start to think that earth is flat and nobody will object it as long as i don't argue that earth is really flat and try to convince others to believe the same. But if i decide that i will keep on insisting my view point till all persons in the world agree that earth is flat, this will not work at all. Still, i am not able to understand why sexual harassment of Blind women is beyond the scope of this list. When we discuss each and every problem faced by VIs then why to exclude this one? Are we selfish enough to think that since we majority of male will not face this problem therefore it is off topic? Now, i realize why one of our friend, Rajesh Parakh went so far to put forward his thoughts. Regards, Chetan Sharma - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 7:54 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on I have proved my point beyond doubt. These personal remarks in no way going to either hurt me nor I would like that I should reciprocate you in this public foray. Who is a disgrace to whom could be proved by reasons and deeds! But here it is not in my agenda of discussion! these personal remarks certainly could put you in trouble. Laws regarding defamation are very strong. In case I file a suit against you would have to deposit your passport and visit for attending the courts here. But rest assured I am not going to do any of such thing. With care and concern, Vip - Original Message - From: Vetrivel Murugan Adhimoolam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on That's indeed very true. But my another concern is that those poor students who have to listen to similar things in their class room and it can actually give a bad name to visually impaired community. - Original Message - From: Taraprakash [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Dear sir. Talking about sex and sexual harassment are two different things. If the mail I am responding to was written by a college lecturer, I am afraid, we can't stop this evil. You really need a refresher course for social and gender sensitization. Good luck - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on At least my friends have realized that this topic is a deviation from the central focus of this group. I hope in future they would find a legitimate forum to raise such issues. As far as my friend who suggested that this issue could be raised on a group called dreams and romance. I don't think he made any invaluable suggestion. The issue of sexual harassment is a love crime it could always be dealt on such forums. If we could discuss issues arising out of virus and malwares on this list related to technology. Than why not such maladies be discussed in the pertinent list. It is a crime related to romance and emotions. So its remedy could always be sought on such list. Where people should understand the value of some one's emotions. Discussing sex is not a crime rather as Freud puts it is the motive force in guiding human behavior whether professional or otherwise. In this list we can discuss cyber crimes not crimes related to sex. The discussion should be conclusive only when every body is convinced about certain things which are related to his argument
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Dear Mr. Ram, I respect your feelings! - Original Message - From: Ram [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chetan Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 5:46 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Dear Dr. Vipin, I am not sure that my earlier message on AI reached you, as I didn't get the feedback and the same mail in my PC. Since, most of the AI members are of the opinion that sexual harassment of VI women is a very serious issue and can be discussed on AI, please respect the majority opinion and contribute. I am sure, with your vast experience and interaction with students, you should be having constructive suggestions on the subject. We will be obliged, if you share. Let us have your contribution and not objection. Please, let us stop this conflict here. I am very encouraged to sign out of this AI, as I don't understand the negative discussion on such an important subject. Kethan, please note this. regards - Original Message - From: Chetan Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on No sir, though, you have not proven your point at all, but i still think personal comments should be avoided, If i like, i can start to think that earth is flat and nobody will object it as long as i don't argue that earth is really flat and try to convince others to believe the same. But if i decide that i will keep on insisting my view point till all persons in the world agree that earth is flat, this will not work at all. Still, i am not able to understand why sexual harassment of Blind women is beyond the scope of this list. When we discuss each and every problem faced by VIs then why to exclude this one? Are we selfish enough to think that since we majority of male will not face this problem therefore it is off topic? Now, i realize why one of our friend, Rajesh Parakh went so far to put forward his thoughts. Regards, Chetan Sharma - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 7:54 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on I have proved my point beyond doubt. These personal remarks in no way going to either hurt me nor I would like that I should reciprocate you in this public foray. Who is a disgrace to whom could be proved by reasons and deeds! But here it is not in my agenda of discussion! these personal remarks certainly could put you in trouble. Laws regarding defamation are very strong. In case I file a suit against you would have to deposit your passport and visit for attending the courts here. But rest assured I am not going to do any of such thing. With care and concern, Vip - Original Message - From: Vetrivel Murugan Adhimoolam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on That's indeed very true. But my another concern is that those poor students who have to listen to similar things in their class room and it can actually give a bad name to visually impaired community. - Original Message - From: Taraprakash [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Dear sir. Talking about sex and sexual harassment are two different things. If the mail I am responding to was written by a college lecturer, I am afraid, we can't stop this evil. You really need a refresher course for social and gender sensitization. Good luck - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on At least my friends have realized that this topic is a deviation from the central focus of this group. I hope in future they would find a legitimate forum to raise such issues. As far as my friend who suggested that this issue could be raised on a group called dreams and romance. I don't think he made any invaluable suggestion. The issue of sexual harassment is a love crime it could always be dealt on such forums. If we could discuss issues arising out of virus and malwares on this list related to technology. Than why not such maladies be discussed in the pertinent list. It is a crime related to romance and emotions. So its remedy could always be sought on such list. Where people should understand the value of some one's emotions. Discussing sex is not a crime
Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on
AI is very much useful to the member.I trust and wish this media can be used to discuss and exchange our views on various aspect of accessibility related issues including sensitive issues. Everyone can choose mails according to their topical interest and dell the non-interested topics. I found there cannot be any trouble in it. BV - Original Message - From: Hari Raghavan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chetan Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 10:29 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Hi friends, Frankly I have always felt that topics not central to our charter attract the maximum responses. Having said this, the point has got lost somewhere in the verbal volleys that have been circulating. Noone disagrees that everybody's time IS important and any topic important to any member is not to be trivialised. But the fact is that there are many other groups where such general topics can be raised and an exchange of views sought. And while I can always unsubscribe if I find the number of irrelevant mails too much, as someone had suggested, the fact remains that AI really helps us solve our technology, accesibility and work related problems which is why we cannot afford to get off the list. And that's why we joined it in the first place. However the final say on this matter rests with our moderator Kiran and we have to respect that. Warm regards, Hari -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chetan Sharma Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 11:29 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Hi list, I am not able to understand, why this group can not or should not discuss the sexual harassment of Blind women. If an extended discussion on stray dogs is relevant, if we can discuss reservations and concessions for VIs, and if any other problem faced by Blind and Visually impaired is a part and parcel of this list, why can't we discuss sexual harassment of Blind women? If somebody has joined group to discuss issues pertaining to computers and technology only then i think he/she misjudged the objectives of this group. There has been a persistent argument about the precious time. Please understand Everybody's time is equally important and precious. Do you think when smriti raise this issue, she was free and had no business at all? Is she passing her time by raising such issues? not at all. more over, first one or two lines, even subject can also suggest, what is written in the message. If one does not like something, he or she can easily delete the message. it is nowhere in the group's policy that every member has to read entire message and can not delete the message before reading it completely. With regards, Chetan Sharma - Original Message - From: Divyanshu Ganatra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on With all due respects, I believe this group is ment for discussing technology and computer related issues, and not sexual harassment. Let us not forget what we have joined this group for, and respect everyone's time and space on this forum. Having said that I leave it to the moderators judgement. Regards, Divyanshu -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Subramani L Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 9:53 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on The subject here is how we can help VI girls to safeguard themselves, so the topic can't be irrelevant to the group. Also, we don't merely discuss technology, disability-related issues are therefore allowed for discussion. Subramani -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vetrivel Murugan Adhimoolam Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:41 AM To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Hi everyone, I certainly understand the concerns of the member who finds lack of time in going through so many messages. However I would like to request the members to be careful while choosing certain expressions. For example the statement: We should not put our nose in each and every discussion to which we have no idea or have little knowledge to contribute. In my view this is unwarranted since none of us are specialized in all the fields and at the same time it cannot and should not be a barrier in contributing to the group. Believe me or not, my work load here in the US is so much and still I find time to go through the message list and choose which ones to read and which one to ignore based on certain priorities
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if you are interested in a particular topic just skip why bother none of the group members are illicit if you think others are illicit, the then something is definitely wrong. see the concern and actions of our dear mems. If you can't contribute, then don't - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Illicit people are mostly violent! If I raised some lawful issue I don't know why you people united yourself so tightly. Let us read the objectives of this group again and again and remind yourself. What we should discuss 'here' in this group or not. If you are not members of today's focus then please do become. That group was created specifically for these kinds of issues. Your convenience could cause inconvenience to so many. Now You people have to decide what to do or not. There is another group which is discussing hot political issues like capital punishment communalism etc. That is really fine. These issues fits in the scheme of its objectives. Aruni has provided a nice platform for this kind of discussions. before you see your comfort you should think about others. In temple you can not drink whine. Your freedom ends where my nose begins. You are all enlightened people I think you understand well what I want to convey. Don't be lethargic discuss these issues on today's focus. I would also join you there. With regards, unity of purpose is always better than unity of unholy conviction - Original Message - From: P. Subramani [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on What is wrong in discussing issues of sexual harassment particularly those raised Smirthi Singh? Although our group is for discussing accessibility, once a while there could be a deviation. This topic does really concern all of us. In any group for that matter, there will be some deviation of topics sometimes. So why don't accept and go on rather than otherwise. - Original Message - From: Vetrivel Murugan Adhimoolam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 1:08 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Dear Members, I have personally written to the moderator on this issue. So could we wait until a decision is made on this? Please... - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on I am putting the things in clear words again! Emphasis added it is not a question of discussing matters pertaining to sexual harassment or some thing else and their relevance for VCs. Question is since we have disowned several members from this list already. Why to just pick and choose. It is a known fact that this group is related to issues arising out of accessibility and otherwise. its not that we are that we are not concerned about these social issues. But again the question is, is it a proper forum to rays such issues? Though our parliament is competant to make laws for whole of the territory of india. But it can not alter the basic structure of our consitution. Likewise, the basic structure of this group here is to discuss issues related to accessibility. Then, a bonafide plaint is: Each member shal follow these guide lines if one is law abiding enough. If you want to flout with existing laws than law would take its own course!! With regards, Vip To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change
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Dear sir. Talking about sex and sexual harassment are two different things. If the mail I am responding to was written by a college lecturer, I am afraid, we can't stop this evil. You really need a refresher course for social and gender sensitization. Good luck - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on At least my friends have realized that this topic is a deviation from the central focus of this group. I hope in future they would find a legitimate forum to raise such issues. As far as my friend who suggested that this issue could be raised on a group called dreams and romance. I don't think he made any invaluable suggestion. The issue of sexual harassment is a love crime it could always be dealt on such forums. If we could discuss issues arising out of virus and malwares on this list related to technology. Than why not such maladies be discussed in the pertinent list. It is a crime related to romance and emotions. So its remedy could always be sought on such list. Where people should understand the value of some one's emotions. Discussing sex is not a crime rather as Freud puts it is the motive force in guiding human behavior whether professional or otherwise. In this list we can discuss cyber crimes not crimes related to sex. The discussion should be conclusive only when every body is convinced about certain things which are related to his argument and presumptions. It is always good to argue only healthy arguments could lead us towards a rational approach in life! I would keep on writing till you people are convinced that law has its on importance. No one could let himself be convinced that he or she is above law! With regards, Vip - Original Message - From: P. Subramani [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on What is wrong in discussing issues of sexual harassment particularly those raised Smirthi Singh? Although our group is for discussing accessibility, once a while there could be a deviation. This topic does really concern all of us. In any group for that matter, there will be some deviation of topics sometimes. So why don't accept and go on rather than otherwise. - Original Message - From: Vetrivel Murugan Adhimoolam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 1:08 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Dear Members, I have personally written to the moderator on this issue. So could we wait until a decision is made on this? Please... - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on I am putting the things in clear words again! Emphasis added it is not a question of discussing matters pertaining to sexual harassment or some thing else and their relevance for VCs. Question is since we have disowned several members from this list already. Why to just pick and choose. It is a known fact that this group is related to issues arising out of accessibility and otherwise. its not that we are that we are not concerned about these social issues. But again the question is, is it a proper forum to rays such issues? Though our parliament is competant to make laws for whole of the territory of india. But it can not alter the basic structure of our consitution. Likewise, the basic structure of this group here is to discuss issues related to accessibility. Then, a bonafide plaint is: Each member shal follow these guide lines if one is law abiding enough. If you want to flout with existing laws than law would take its own course!! With regards, Vip To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change
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That's indeed very true. But my another concern is that those poor students who have to listen to similar things in their class room and it can actually give a bad name to visually impaired community. - Original Message - From: Taraprakash [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Dear sir. Talking about sex and sexual harassment are two different things. If the mail I am responding to was written by a college lecturer, I am afraid, we can't stop this evil. You really need a refresher course for social and gender sensitization. Good luck - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on At least my friends have realized that this topic is a deviation from the central focus of this group. I hope in future they would find a legitimate forum to raise such issues. As far as my friend who suggested that this issue could be raised on a group called dreams and romance. I don't think he made any invaluable suggestion. The issue of sexual harassment is a love crime it could always be dealt on such forums. If we could discuss issues arising out of virus and malwares on this list related to technology. Than why not such maladies be discussed in the pertinent list. It is a crime related to romance and emotions. So its remedy could always be sought on such list. Where people should understand the value of some one's emotions. Discussing sex is not a crime rather as Freud puts it is the motive force in guiding human behavior whether professional or otherwise. In this list we can discuss cyber crimes not crimes related to sex. The discussion should be conclusive only when every body is convinced about certain things which are related to his argument and presumptions. It is always good to argue only healthy arguments could lead us towards a rational approach in life! I would keep on writing till you people are convinced that law has its on importance. No one could let himself be convinced that he or she is above law! With regards, Vip - Original Message - From: P. Subramani [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on What is wrong in discussing issues of sexual harassment particularly those raised Smirthi Singh? Although our group is for discussing accessibility, once a while there could be a deviation. This topic does really concern all of us. In any group for that matter, there will be some deviation of topics sometimes. So why don't accept and go on rather than otherwise. - Original Message - From: Vetrivel Murugan Adhimoolam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 1:08 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Dear Members, I have personally written to the moderator on this issue. So could we wait until a decision is made on this? Please... - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on I am putting the things in clear words again! Emphasis added it is not a question of discussing matters pertaining to sexual harassment or some thing else and their relevance for VCs. Question is since we have disowned several members from this list already. Why to just pick and choose. It is a known fact that this group is related to issues arising out of accessibility and otherwise. its not that we are that we are not concerned about these social issues. But again the question is, is it a proper forum to rays such issues? Though our parliament is competant to make laws for whole of the territory of india. But it can not alter the basic structure of our consitution. Likewise, the basic structure of this group here is to discuss issues related to accessibility. Then, a bonafide plaint is: Each member shal follow these guide lines if one is law abiding enough. If you want to flout with existing laws than law would take its own course!! With regards, Vip To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list
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I have proved my point beyond doubt. These personal remarks in no way going to either hurt me nor I would like that I should reciprocate you in this public foray. Who is a disgrace to whom could be proved by reasons and deeds! But here it is not in my agenda of discussion! these personal remarks certainly could put you in trouble. Laws regarding defamation are very strong. In case I file a suit against you would have to deposit your passport and visit for attending the courts here. But rest assured I am not going to do any of such thing. With care and concern, Vip - Original Message - From: Vetrivel Murugan Adhimoolam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on That's indeed very true. But my another concern is that those poor students who have to listen to similar things in their class room and it can actually give a bad name to visually impaired community. - Original Message - From: Taraprakash [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Dear sir. Talking about sex and sexual harassment are two different things. If the mail I am responding to was written by a college lecturer, I am afraid, we can't stop this evil. You really need a refresher course for social and gender sensitization. Good luck - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on At least my friends have realized that this topic is a deviation from the central focus of this group. I hope in future they would find a legitimate forum to raise such issues. As far as my friend who suggested that this issue could be raised on a group called dreams and romance. I don't think he made any invaluable suggestion. The issue of sexual harassment is a love crime it could always be dealt on such forums. If we could discuss issues arising out of virus and malwares on this list related to technology. Than why not such maladies be discussed in the pertinent list. It is a crime related to romance and emotions. So its remedy could always be sought on such list. Where people should understand the value of some one's emotions. Discussing sex is not a crime rather as Freud puts it is the motive force in guiding human behavior whether professional or otherwise. In this list we can discuss cyber crimes not crimes related to sex. The discussion should be conclusive only when every body is convinced about certain things which are related to his argument and presumptions. It is always good to argue only healthy arguments could lead us towards a rational approach in life! I would keep on writing till you people are convinced that law has its on importance. No one could let himself be convinced that he or she is above law! With regards, Vip - Original Message - From: P. Subramani [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on What is wrong in discussing issues of sexual harassment particularly those raised Smirthi Singh? Although our group is for discussing accessibility, once a while there could be a deviation. This topic does really concern all of us. In any group for that matter, there will be some deviation of topics sometimes. So why don't accept and go on rather than otherwise. - Original Message - From: Vetrivel Murugan Adhimoolam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 1:08 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Dear Members, I have personally written to the moderator on this issue. So could we wait until a decision is made on this? Please... - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on I am putting the things in clear words again! Emphasis added it is not a question of discussing matters pertaining to sexual harassment or some thing else and their relevance for VCs. Question is since we have disowned several members from this list already. Why to just pick and choose. It is a known fact that this group is related to issues arising out of accessibility and otherwise. its not that we are that we are not concerned about these social issues. But again the question is, is it a proper forum to rays such issues? Though our parliament is competant to make laws for whole of the territory
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Such personal remarks should be condemned by the law abiding members of this group in the strongest possible terms. No one has the right to insult anybody though one may differ with some one in the highest possible frequency! This is your democratic right. With regards, Vip - Original Message - From: Vetrivel Murugan Adhimoolam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on That's indeed very true. But my another concern is that those poor students who have to listen to similar things in their class room and it can actually give a bad name to visually impaired community. - Original Message - From: Taraprakash [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Dear sir. Talking about sex and sexual harassment are two different things. If the mail I am responding to was written by a college lecturer, I am afraid, we can't stop this evil. You really need a refresher course for social and gender sensitization. Good luck - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on At least my friends have realized that this topic is a deviation from the central focus of this group. I hope in future they would find a legitimate forum to raise such issues. As far as my friend who suggested that this issue could be raised on a group called dreams and romance. I don't think he made any invaluable suggestion. The issue of sexual harassment is a love crime it could always be dealt on such forums. If we could discuss issues arising out of virus and malwares on this list related to technology. Than why not such maladies be discussed in the pertinent list. It is a crime related to romance and emotions. So its remedy could always be sought on such list. Where people should understand the value of some one's emotions. Discussing sex is not a crime rather as Freud puts it is the motive force in guiding human behavior whether professional or otherwise. In this list we can discuss cyber crimes not crimes related to sex. The discussion should be conclusive only when every body is convinced about certain things which are related to his argument and presumptions. It is always good to argue only healthy arguments could lead us towards a rational approach in life! I would keep on writing till you people are convinced that law has its on importance. No one could let himself be convinced that he or she is above law! With regards, Vip - Original Message - From: P. Subramani [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on What is wrong in discussing issues of sexual harassment particularly those raised Smirthi Singh? Although our group is for discussing accessibility, once a while there could be a deviation. This topic does really concern all of us. In any group for that matter, there will be some deviation of topics sometimes. So why don't accept and go on rather than otherwise. - Original Message - From: Vetrivel Murugan Adhimoolam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 1:08 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Dear Members, I have personally written to the moderator on this issue. So could we wait until a decision is made on this? Please... - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on I am putting the things in clear words again! Emphasis added it is not a question of discussing matters pertaining to sexual harassment or some thing else and their relevance for VCs. Question is since we have disowned several members from this list already. Why to just pick and choose. It is a known fact that this group is related to issues arising out of accessibility and otherwise. its not that we are that we are not concerned about these social issues. But again the question is, is it a proper forum to rays such issues? Though our parliament is competant to make laws for whole of the territory of india. But it can not alter the basic structure of our consitution. Likewise, the basic structure of this group here is to discuss issues related to accessibility. Then, a bonafide plaint is: Each member shal follow these guide lines if one is law abiding enough. If you want to flout
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No sir, though, you have not proven your point at all, but i still think personal comments should be avoided, If i like, i can start to think that earth is flat and nobody will object it as long as i don't argue that earth is really flat and try to convince others to believe the same. But if i decide that i will keep on insisting my view point till all persons in the world agree that earth is flat, this will not work at all. Still, i am not able to understand why sexual harassment of Blind women is beyond the scope of this list. When we discuss each and every problem faced by VIs then why to exclude this one? Are we selfish enough to think that since we majority of male will not face this problem therefore it is off topic? Now, i realize why one of our friend, Rajesh Parakh went so far to put forward his thoughts. Regards, Chetan Sharma - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 7:54 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on I have proved my point beyond doubt. These personal remarks in no way going to either hurt me nor I would like that I should reciprocate you in this public foray. Who is a disgrace to whom could be proved by reasons and deeds! But here it is not in my agenda of discussion! these personal remarks certainly could put you in trouble. Laws regarding defamation are very strong. In case I file a suit against you would have to deposit your passport and visit for attending the courts here. But rest assured I am not going to do any of such thing. With care and concern, Vip - Original Message - From: Vetrivel Murugan Adhimoolam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on That's indeed very true. But my another concern is that those poor students who have to listen to similar things in their class room and it can actually give a bad name to visually impaired community. - Original Message - From: Taraprakash [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Dear sir. Talking about sex and sexual harassment are two different things. If the mail I am responding to was written by a college lecturer, I am afraid, we can't stop this evil. You really need a refresher course for social and gender sensitization. Good luck - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on At least my friends have realized that this topic is a deviation from the central focus of this group. I hope in future they would find a legitimate forum to raise such issues. As far as my friend who suggested that this issue could be raised on a group called dreams and romance. I don't think he made any invaluable suggestion. The issue of sexual harassment is a love crime it could always be dealt on such forums. If we could discuss issues arising out of virus and malwares on this list related to technology. Than why not such maladies be discussed in the pertinent list. It is a crime related to romance and emotions. So its remedy could always be sought on such list. Where people should understand the value of some one's emotions. Discussing sex is not a crime rather as Freud puts it is the motive force in guiding human behavior whether professional or otherwise. In this list we can discuss cyber crimes not crimes related to sex. The discussion should be conclusive only when every body is convinced about certain things which are related to his argument and presumptions. It is always good to argue only healthy arguments could lead us towards a rational approach in life! I would keep on writing till you people are convinced that law has its on importance. No one could let himself be convinced that he or she is above law! With regards, Vip - Original Message - From: P. Subramani [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on What is wrong in discussing issues of sexual harassment particularly those raised Smirthi Singh? Although our group is for discussing accessibility, once a while there could be a deviation. This topic does really concern all of us. In any group for that matter, there will be some deviation of topics sometimes. So why don't accept and go on rather than otherwise. - Original Message - From: Vetrivel Murugan Adhimoolam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent
Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on
What is wrong in discussing issues of sexual harassment particularly those raised Smirthi Singh? Although our group is for discussing accessibility, once a while there could be a deviation. This topic does really concern all of us. In any group for that matter, there will be some deviation of topics sometimes. So why don't accept and go on rather than otherwise. - Original Message - From: Vetrivel Murugan Adhimoolam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 1:08 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Dear Members, I have personally written to the moderator on this issue. So could we wait until a decision is made on this? Please... - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on I am putting the things in clear words again! Emphasis added it is not a question of discussing matters pertaining to sexual harassment or some thing else and their relevance for VCs. Question is since we have disowned several members from this list already. Why to just pick and choose. It is a known fact that this group is related to issues arising out of accessibility and otherwise. its not that we are that we are not concerned about these social issues. But again the question is, is it a proper forum to rays such issues? Though our parliament is competant to make laws for whole of the territory of india. But it can not alter the basic structure of our consitution. Likewise, the basic structure of this group here is to discuss issues related to accessibility. Then, a bonafide plaint is: Each member shal follow these guide lines if one is law abiding enough. If you want to flout with existing laws than law would take its own course!! With regards, Vip To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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you are absolutely right and I fully agree with you and this is what I meant in my earlier message. - Original Message - From: Taraprakash [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Thanks for clarity but the motive is not yet clear. I do respect your respect for the law of the list. I however, regret your insensitivity towards the socially relevant issues concerning blind men and women and also that of the conventions of the list. We all break laws sometimes and you have yourself done it recently by raising your objections on the list. Just to refresh your memory, you yourself have been part of discussion threads which did not have anything to do with access technology. Why such a move towards 'propriety' now? Are we smelling a sabotage tactics there? Will you please give any example when someone was banned from the group while raising issues directly concerning the blind? You are right that forming a group is very easy these days. It, however, always has been easier to hit a delete key if you thought the message was not relevant or useful to you. I beg to ask you for that sacrifice when it concerns such an important issue. - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on I am putting the things in clear words again! Emphasis added it is not a question of discussing matters pertaining to sexual harassment or some thing else and their relevance for VCs. Question is since we have disowned several members from this list already. Why to just pick and choose. It is a known fact that this group is related to issues arising out of accessibility and otherwise. its not that we are that we are not concerned about these social issues. But again the question is, is it a proper forum to rays such issues? Though our parliament is competant to make laws for whole of the territory of india. But it can not alter the basic structure of our consitution. Likewise, the basic structure of this group here is to discuss issues related to accessibility. Then, a bonafide plaint is: Each member shal follow these guide lines if one is law abiding enough. If you want to flout with existing laws than law would take its own course!! With regards, Vip To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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Hi One of the areas relevant to this list is disability and discussing sexual harrasement of blind women is quite within the ambit of this group. This group is not restricted to accessability, and discussing about the relevance of the topic is collective waste of time and resources. I hope discussing on this thread ceases. Harish. - Original Message - From: P. Subramani [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on What is wrong in discussing issues of sexual harassment particularly those raised Smirthi Singh? Although our group is for discussing accessibility, once a while there could be a deviation. This topic does really concern all of us. In any group for that matter, there will be some deviation of topics sometimes. So why don't accept and go on rather than otherwise. - Original Message - From: Vetrivel Murugan Adhimoolam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 1:08 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Dear Members, I have personally written to the moderator on this issue. So could we wait until a decision is made on this? Please... - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on I am putting the things in clear words again! Emphasis added it is not a question of discussing matters pertaining to sexual harassment or some thing else and their relevance for VCs. Question is since we have disowned several members from this list already. Why to just pick and choose. It is a known fact that this group is related to issues arising out of accessibility and otherwise. its not that we are that we are not concerned about these social issues. But again the question is, is it a proper forum to rays such issues? Though our parliament is competant to make laws for whole of the territory of india. But it can not alter the basic structure of our consitution. Likewise, the basic structure of this group here is to discuss issues related to accessibility. Then, a bonafide plaint is: Each member shal follow these guide lines if one is law abiding enough. If you want to flout with existing laws than law would take its own course!! With regards, Vip To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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Hi friends, Frankly I have always felt that topics not central to our charter attract the maximum responses. Having said this, the point has got lost somewhere in the verbal volleys that have been circulating. Noone disagrees that everybody's time IS important and any topic important to any member is not to be trivialised. But the fact is that there are many other groups where such general topics can be raised and an exchange of views sought. And while I can always unsubscribe if I find the number of irrelevant mails too much, as someone had suggested, the fact remains that AI really helps us solve our technology, accesibility and work related problems which is why we cannot afford to get off the list. And that's why we joined it in the first place. However the final say on this matter rests with our moderator Kiran and we have to respect that. Warm regards, Hari -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chetan Sharma Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 11:29 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Hi list, I am not able to understand, why this group can not or should not discuss the sexual harassment of Blind women. If an extended discussion on stray dogs is relevant, if we can discuss reservations and concessions for VIs, and if any other problem faced by Blind and Visually impaired is a part and parcel of this list, why can't we discuss sexual harassment of Blind women? If somebody has joined group to discuss issues pertaining to computers and technology only then i think he/she misjudged the objectives of this group. There has been a persistent argument about the precious time. Please understand Everybody's time is equally important and precious. Do you think when smriti raise this issue, she was free and had no business at all? Is she passing her time by raising such issues? not at all. more over, first one or two lines, even subject can also suggest, what is written in the message. If one does not like something, he or she can easily delete the message. it is nowhere in the group's policy that every member has to read entire message and can not delete the message before reading it completely. With regards, Chetan Sharma - Original Message - From: Divyanshu Ganatra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on With all due respects, I believe this group is ment for discussing technology and computer related issues, and not sexual harassment. Let us not forget what we have joined this group for, and respect everyone's time and space on this forum. Having said that I leave it to the moderators judgement. Regards, Divyanshu -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Subramani L Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 9:53 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on The subject here is how we can help VI girls to safeguard themselves, so the topic can't be irrelevant to the group. Also, we don't merely discuss technology, disability-related issues are therefore allowed for discussion. Subramani -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vetrivel Murugan Adhimoolam Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:41 AM To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Hi everyone, I certainly understand the concerns of the member who finds lack of time in going through so many messages. However I would like to request the members to be careful while choosing certain expressions. For example the statement: We should not put our nose in each and every discussion to which we have no idea or have little knowledge to contribute. In my view this is unwarranted since none of us are specialized in all the fields and at the same time it cannot and should not be a barrier in contributing to the group. Believe me or not, my work load here in the US is so much and still I find time to go through the message list and choose which ones to read and which one to ignore based on certain priorities and availability of my time. This is not to show to the group how much hard working I am, but to show that My inconveniences cannot and should not be used as tools to request other members to restrict their participation. Perhaps it would be great if we could receive comments from other members on this. Best Regards, Vetri. - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 9:15 AM Subject: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Dear Members, I think this group is purpose specific. However, WE have reduced it in to a forum
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that particular rape by a cab driver is a different issue as you and others know the reasons as to why such a thing happened, pre-requisites and the backgrounds to it. - Original Message - From: Subramani L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on For the kind information of those insisting that this group is only for 'technology-related-discussion', BPO's in Bangalore today spend a lot of their time overseeing protection of their women employees, because one woman was brutally raped and killed last year by a cab driver and they don't want that to happen again. Though technology is the thrust area of this group, we can't play down the importance of individual safety. Another example that I learnt today is JAN or Job Accessibility Network in the US, who facilitate accessible work environment for persons with disability in the US, spend a great deal of time instructing clients as to how they can evacuate disabledemployees in times of emergency. Now, is it fair for JAN to say, we can discuss only work places adjustments and evacuation is out of our services? Subramani -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Taraprakash Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 7:32 PM To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Thanks for clarity but the motive is not yet clear. I do respect your respect for the law of the list. I however, regret your insensitivity towards the socially relevant issues concerning blind men and women and also that of the conventions of the list. We all break laws sometimes and you have yourself done it recently by raising your objections on the list. Just to refresh your memory, you yourself have been part of discussion threads which did not have anything to do with access technology. Why such a move towards 'propriety' now? Are we smelling a sabotage tactics there? Will you please give any example when someone was banned from the group while raising issues directly concerning the blind? You are right that forming a group is very easy these days. It, however, always has been easier to hit a delete key if you thought the message was not relevant or useful to you. I beg to ask you for that sacrifice when it concerns such an important issue. - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on I am putting the things in clear words again! Emphasis added it is not a question of discussing matters pertaining to sexual harassment or some thing else and their relevance for VCs. Question is since we have disowned several members from this list already. Why to just pick and choose. It is a known fact that this group is related to issues arising out of accessibility and otherwise. its not that we are that we are not concerned about these social issues. But again the question is, is it a proper forum to rays such issues? Though our parliament is competant to make laws for whole of the territory of india. But it can not alter the basic structure of our consitution. Likewise, the basic structure of this group here is to discuss issues related to accessibility. Then, a bonafide plaint is: Each member shal follow these guide lines if one is law abiding enough. If you want to flout with existing laws than law would take its own course!! With regards, Vip To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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I don't understand one thing: On the one hand many of us want to wait for the moderator's decision. While on the other hand cannot stop ourselves from talking about the objectives of the group. Why this contradiction again and again? Please - Original Message - From: Hari Raghavan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chetan Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Hi friends, Frankly I have always felt that topics not central to our charter attract the maximum responses. Having said this, the point has got lost somewhere in the verbal volleys that have been circulating. Noone disagrees that everybody's time IS important and any topic important to any member is not to be trivialised. But the fact is that there are many other groups where such general topics can be raised and an exchange of views sought. And while I can always unsubscribe if I find the number of irrelevant mails too much, as someone had suggested, the fact remains that AI really helps us solve our technology, accesibility and work related problems which is why we cannot afford to get off the list. And that's why we joined it in the first place. However the final say on this matter rests with our moderator Kiran and we have to respect that. Warm regards, Hari -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chetan Sharma Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 11:29 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Hi list, I am not able to understand, why this group can not or should not discuss the sexual harassment of Blind women. If an extended discussion on stray dogs is relevant, if we can discuss reservations and concessions for VIs, and if any other problem faced by Blind and Visually impaired is a part and parcel of this list, why can't we discuss sexual harassment of Blind women? If somebody has joined group to discuss issues pertaining to computers and technology only then i think he/she misjudged the objectives of this group. There has been a persistent argument about the precious time. Please understand Everybody's time is equally important and precious. Do you think when smriti raise this issue, she was free and had no business at all? Is she passing her time by raising such issues? not at all. more over, first one or two lines, even subject can also suggest, what is written in the message. If one does not like something, he or she can easily delete the message. it is nowhere in the group's policy that every member has to read entire message and can not delete the message before reading it completely. With regards, Chetan Sharma - Original Message - From: Divyanshu Ganatra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on With all due respects, I believe this group is ment for discussing technology and computer related issues, and not sexual harassment. Let us not forget what we have joined this group for, and respect everyone's time and space on this forum. Having said that I leave it to the moderators judgement. Regards, Divyanshu -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Subramani L Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 9:53 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on The subject here is how we can help VI girls to safeguard themselves, so the topic can't be irrelevant to the group. Also, we don't merely discuss technology, disability-related issues are therefore allowed for discussion. Subramani -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vetrivel Murugan Adhimoolam Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:41 AM To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Hi everyone, I certainly understand the concerns of the member who finds lack of time in going through so many messages. However I would like to request the members to be careful while choosing certain expressions. For example the statement: We should not put our nose in each and every discussion to which we have no idea or have little knowledge to contribute. In my view this is unwarranted since none of us are specialized in all the fields and at the same time it cannot and should not be a barrier in contributing to the group. Believe me or not, my work load here in the US is so much and still I find time to go through the message list and choose which ones to read and which one to ignore based on certain priorities and availability of my time. This is not to show to the group how much hard working I am
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I simply don't feel like writing anything to contribute to this thread. It is off topic. Anybody writing to the list, and not to the moderator, claiming something is off topic is violation of the rules. so please stop. I too must stop but before that I will reitterate the topic is well with in the conventions of the list. Regards - Original Message - From: Hari Raghavan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chetan Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 10:29 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Hi friends, Frankly I have always felt that topics not central to our charter attract the maximum responses. Having said this, the point has got lost somewhere in the verbal volleys that have been circulating. Noone disagrees that everybody's time IS important and any topic important to any member is not to be trivialised. But the fact is that there are many other groups where such general topics can be raised and an exchange of views sought. And while I can always unsubscribe if I find the number of irrelevant mails too much, as someone had suggested, the fact remains that AI really helps us solve our technology, accesibility and work related problems which is why we cannot afford to get off the list. And that's why we joined it in the first place. However the final say on this matter rests with our moderator Kiran and we have to respect that. Warm regards, Hari -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chetan Sharma Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 11:29 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Hi list, I am not able to understand, why this group can not or should not discuss the sexual harassment of Blind women. If an extended discussion on stray dogs is relevant, if we can discuss reservations and concessions for VIs, and if any other problem faced by Blind and Visually impaired is a part and parcel of this list, why can't we discuss sexual harassment of Blind women? If somebody has joined group to discuss issues pertaining to computers and technology only then i think he/she misjudged the objectives of this group. There has been a persistent argument about the precious time. Please understand Everybody's time is equally important and precious. Do you think when smriti raise this issue, she was free and had no business at all? Is she passing her time by raising such issues? not at all. more over, first one or two lines, even subject can also suggest, what is written in the message. If one does not like something, he or she can easily delete the message. it is nowhere in the group's policy that every member has to read entire message and can not delete the message before reading it completely. With regards, Chetan Sharma - Original Message - From: Divyanshu Ganatra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on With all due respects, I believe this group is ment for discussing technology and computer related issues, and not sexual harassment. Let us not forget what we have joined this group for, and respect everyone's time and space on this forum. Having said that I leave it to the moderators judgement. Regards, Divyanshu -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Subramani L Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 9:53 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on The subject here is how we can help VI girls to safeguard themselves, so the topic can't be irrelevant to the group. Also, we don't merely discuss technology, disability-related issues are therefore allowed for discussion. Subramani -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vetrivel Murugan Adhimoolam Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:41 AM To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Hi everyone, I certainly understand the concerns of the member who finds lack of time in going through so many messages. However I would like to request the members to be careful while choosing certain expressions. For example the statement: We should not put our nose in each and every discussion to which we have no idea or have little knowledge to contribute. In my view this is unwarranted since none of us are specialized in all the fields and at the same time it cannot and should not be a barrier in contributing to the group. Believe me or not, my work load here in the US is so much and still I find time to go through the message list and choose which ones to read and which one to ignore based on certain priorities
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You need not go so far Rajesh. It's simple: anything relating to disability or affecting us as disabled persons, specially VI, can be discussed in this forum. We are educated and well-placed and certainly are in a position to create awareness about issues that affect us a great deal, such as the insensitive airlines. Behaving as human isn't certainly used here as an excuse to discuss off-topic things. As someone pointed out, if stray dogs are not off-topic, this can't be off-topic as well. Appologies for sounding too interventionist, but I will feel happy if people get the point. Subramani -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rajesh Parakh Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 10:52 PM To: Chetan Sharma; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on We must realize that we are first human being then professionals. if my mother, sister, wife or close friend would have gone through such a kind of troma, would i object to this discussion? no, certainly not. access india has grown over these years and apart from technology discussions problems faced by VIPSrelated issues cannot be considered as off-topic. any way moderator's decision is final. let's see what kiran has to say about this. regards, rajesh parakh. regards, rajesh., - Original Message - From: Chetan Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Hi list, I am not able to understand, why this group can not or should not discuss the sexual harassment of Blind women. If an extended discussion on stray dogs is relevant, if we can discuss reservations and concessions for VIs, and if any other problem faced by Blind and Visually impaired is a part and parcel of this list, why can't we discuss sexual harassment of Blind women? If somebody has joined group to discuss issues pertaining to computers and technology only then i think he/she misjudged the objectives of this group. There has been a persistent argument about the precious time. Please understand Everybody's time is equally important and precious. Do you think when smriti raise this issue, she was free and had no business at all? Is she passing her time by raising such issues? not at all. more over, first one or two lines, even subject can also suggest, what is written in the message. If one does not like something, he or she can easily delete the message. it is nowhere in the group's policy that every member has to read entire message and can not delete the message before reading it completely. With regards, Chetan Sharma - Original Message - From: Divyanshu Ganatra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on With all due respects, I believe this group is ment for discussing technology and computer related issues, and not sexual harassment. Let us not forget what we have joined this group for, and respect everyone's time and space on this forum. Having said that I leave it to the moderators judgement. Regards, Divyanshu -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Subramani L Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 9:53 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on The subject here is how we can help VI girls to safeguard themselves, so the topic can't be irrelevant to the group. Also, we don't merely discuss technology, disability-related issues are therefore allowed for discussion. Subramani -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vetrivel Murugan Adhimoolam Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:41 AM To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Hi everyone, I certainly understand the concerns of the member who finds lack of time in going through so many messages. However I would like to request the members to be careful while choosing certain expressions. For example the statement: We should not put our nose in each and every discussion to which we have no idea or have little knowledge to contribute. In my view this is unwarranted since none of us are specialized in all the fields and at the same time it cannot and should not be a barrier in contributing to the group. Believe me or not, my work load here in the US is so much and still I find time to go through the message list and choose which ones to read and which one to ignore based on certain priorities and availability of my time. This is not to show to the group how much hard working I am, but to show that My inconveniences cannot and should not be used as tools to request other members
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Because, like it or not, everybody can't resist the urge to speak up, because this group has been democratic and people are quite used to spelling out their views so freely, it is difficult to restrain ourselves from commenting on something we either feel so strongly about, or we so heartily hate. Subramani -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vetrivel Murugan Adhimoolam Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 1:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on I don't understand one thing: On the one hand many of us want to wait for the moderator's decision. While on the other hand cannot stop ourselves from talking about the objectives of the group. Why this contradiction again and again? Please - Original Message - From: Hari Raghavan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chetan Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Hi friends, Frankly I have always felt that topics not central to our charter attract the maximum responses. Having said this, the point has got lost somewhere in the verbal volleys that have been circulating. Noone disagrees that everybody's time IS important and any topic important to any member is not to be trivialised. But the fact is that there are many other groups where such general topics can be raised and an exchange of views sought. And while I can always unsubscribe if I find the number of irrelevant mails too much, as someone had suggested, the fact remains that AI really helps us solve our technology, accesibility and work related problems which is why we cannot afford to get off the list. And that's why we joined it in the first place. However the final say on this matter rests with our moderator Kiran and we have to respect that. Warm regards, Hari -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chetan Sharma Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 11:29 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Hi list, I am not able to understand, why this group can not or should not discuss the sexual harassment of Blind women. If an extended discussion on stray dogs is relevant, if we can discuss reservations and concessions for VIs, and if any other problem faced by Blind and Visually impaired is a part and parcel of this list, why can't we discuss sexual harassment of Blind women? If somebody has joined group to discuss issues pertaining to computers and technology only then i think he/she misjudged the objectives of this group. There has been a persistent argument about the precious time. Please understand Everybody's time is equally important and precious. Do you think when smriti raise this issue, she was free and had no business at all? Is she passing her time by raising such issues? not at all. more over, first one or two lines, even subject can also suggest, what is written in the message. If one does not like something, he or she can easily delete the message. it is nowhere in the group's policy that every member has to read entire message and can not delete the message before reading it completely. With regards, Chetan Sharma - Original Message - From: Divyanshu Ganatra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on With all due respects, I believe this group is ment for discussing technology and computer related issues, and not sexual harassment. Let us not forget what we have joined this group for, and respect everyone's time and space on this forum. Having said that I leave it to the moderators judgement. Regards, Divyanshu -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Subramani L Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 9:53 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on The subject here is how we can help VI girls to safeguard themselves, so the topic can't be irrelevant to the group. Also, we don't merely discuss technology, disability-related issues are therefore allowed for discussion. Subramani -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vetrivel Murugan Adhimoolam Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:41 AM To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Hi everyone, I certainly understand the concerns of the member who finds lack of time in going through so many messages. However I would like to request the members to be careful while choosing certain expressions. For example the statement: We
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I simply gave it as an example of how even those so technologically orientated among us can't afford to ignore personal safety issues and simply call danger to the personal safety of VI girls off topic. Subramani -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of P. Subramani Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 7:44 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on that particular rape by a cab driver is a different issue as you and others know the reasons as to why such a thing happened, pre-requisites and the backgrounds to it. - Original Message - From: Subramani L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on For the kind information of those insisting that this group is only for 'technology-related-discussion', BPO's in Bangalore today spend a lot of their time overseeing protection of their women employees, because one woman was brutally raped and killed last year by a cab driver and they don't want that to happen again. Though technology is the thrust area of this group, we can't play down the importance of individual safety. Another example that I learnt today is JAN or Job Accessibility Network in the US, who facilitate accessible work environment for persons with disability in the US, spend a great deal of time instructing clients as to how they can evacuate disabledemployees in times of emergency. Now, is it fair for JAN to say, we can discuss only work places adjustments and evacuation is out of our services? Subramani -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Taraprakash Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 7:32 PM To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Thanks for clarity but the motive is not yet clear. I do respect your respect for the law of the list. I however, regret your insensitivity towards the socially relevant issues concerning blind men and women and also that of the conventions of the list. We all break laws sometimes and you have yourself done it recently by raising your objections on the list. Just to refresh your memory, you yourself have been part of discussion threads which did not have anything to do with access technology. Why such a move towards 'propriety' now? Are we smelling a sabotage tactics there? Will you please give any example when someone was banned from the group while raising issues directly concerning the blind? You are right that forming a group is very easy these days. It, however, always has been easier to hit a delete key if you thought the message was not relevant or useful to you. I beg to ask you for that sacrifice when it concerns such an important issue. - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on I am putting the things in clear words again! Emphasis added it is not a question of discussing matters pertaining to sexual harassment or some thing else and their relevance for VCs. Question is since we have disowned several members from this list already. Why to just pick and choose. It is a known fact that this group is related to issues arising out of accessibility and otherwise. its not that we are that we are not concerned about these social issues. But again the question is, is it a proper forum to rays such issues? Though our parliament is competant to make laws for whole of the territory of india. But it can not alter the basic structure of our consitution. Likewise, the basic structure of this group here is to discuss issues related to accessibility. Then, a bonafide plaint is: Each member shal follow these guide lines if one is law abiding enough. If you want to flout with existing laws than law would take its own course!! With regards, Vip To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n To unsubscribe send
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At least my friends have realized that this topic is a deviation from the central focus of this group. I hope in future they would find a legitimate forum to raise such issues. As far as my friend who suggested that this issue could be raised on a group called dreams and romance. I don't think he made any invaluable suggestion. The issue of sexual harassment is a love crime it could always be dealt on such forums. If we could discuss issues arising out of virus and malwares on this list related to technology. Than why not such maladies be discussed in the pertinent list. It is a crime related to romance and emotions. So its remedy could always be sought on such list. Where people should understand the value of some one's emotions. Discussing sex is not a crime rather as Freud puts it is the motive force in guiding human behavior whether professional or otherwise. In this list we can discuss cyber crimes not crimes related to sex. The discussion should be conclusive only when every body is convinced about certain things which are related to his argument and presumptions. It is always good to argue only healthy arguments could lead us towards a rational approach in life! I would keep on writing till you people are convinced that law has its on importance. No one could let himself be convinced that he or she is above law! With regards, Vip - Original Message - From: P. Subramani [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on What is wrong in discussing issues of sexual harassment particularly those raised Smirthi Singh? Although our group is for discussing accessibility, once a while there could be a deviation. This topic does really concern all of us. In any group for that matter, there will be some deviation of topics sometimes. So why don't accept and go on rather than otherwise. - Original Message - From: Vetrivel Murugan Adhimoolam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 1:08 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Dear Members, I have personally written to the moderator on this issue. So could we wait until a decision is made on this? Please... - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on I am putting the things in clear words again! Emphasis added it is not a question of discussing matters pertaining to sexual harassment or some thing else and their relevance for VCs. Question is since we have disowned several members from this list already. Why to just pick and choose. It is a known fact that this group is related to issues arising out of accessibility and otherwise. its not that we are that we are not concerned about these social issues. But again the question is, is it a proper forum to rays such issues? Though our parliament is competant to make laws for whole of the territory of india. But it can not alter the basic structure of our consitution. Likewise, the basic structure of this group here is to discuss issues related to accessibility. Then, a bonafide plaint is: Each member shal follow these guide lines if one is law abiding enough. If you want to flout with existing laws than law would take its own course!! With regards, Vip To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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The issue arising out of airport incidence is issue related to accessible environment for which our list is meant. On this issue there is no such deviation. Such topics are rather encouraged on the list. With regards, Vip - Original Message - From: Subramani L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on I simply gave it as an example of how even those so technologically orientated among us can't afford to ignore personal safety issues and simply call danger to the personal safety of VI girls off topic. Subramani -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of P. Subramani Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 7:44 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on that particular rape by a cab driver is a different issue as you and others know the reasons as to why such a thing happened, pre-requisites and the backgrounds to it. - Original Message - From: Subramani L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on For the kind information of those insisting that this group is only for 'technology-related-discussion', BPO's in Bangalore today spend a lot of their time overseeing protection of their women employees, because one woman was brutally raped and killed last year by a cab driver and they don't want that to happen again. Though technology is the thrust area of this group, we can't play down the importance of individual safety. Another example that I learnt today is JAN or Job Accessibility Network in the US, who facilitate accessible work environment for persons with disability in the US, spend a great deal of time instructing clients as to how they can evacuate disabledemployees in times of emergency. Now, is it fair for JAN to say, we can discuss only work places adjustments and evacuation is out of our services? Subramani -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Taraprakash Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 7:32 PM To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Thanks for clarity but the motive is not yet clear. I do respect your respect for the law of the list. I however, regret your insensitivity towards the socially relevant issues concerning blind men and women and also that of the conventions of the list. We all break laws sometimes and you have yourself done it recently by raising your objections on the list. Just to refresh your memory, you yourself have been part of discussion threads which did not have anything to do with access technology. Why such a move towards 'propriety' now? Are we smelling a sabotage tactics there? Will you please give any example when someone was banned from the group while raising issues directly concerning the blind? You are right that forming a group is very easy these days. It, however, always has been easier to hit a delete key if you thought the message was not relevant or useful to you. I beg to ask you for that sacrifice when it concerns such an important issue. - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on I am putting the things in clear words again! Emphasis added it is not a question of discussing matters pertaining to sexual harassment or some thing else and their relevance for VCs. Question is since we have disowned several members from this list already. Why to just pick and choose. It is a known fact that this group is related to issues arising out of accessibility and otherwise. its not that we are that we are not concerned about these social issues. But again the question is, is it a proper forum to rays such issues? Though our parliament is competant to make laws for whole of the territory of india. But it can not alter the basic structure of our consitution. Likewise, the basic structure of this group here is to discuss issues related to accessibility. Then, a bonafide plaint is: Each member shal follow these guide lines if one is law abiding enough. If you want to flout with existing laws than law would take its own course!! With regards, Vip To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your
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Dear Dr. Vipin, Since most of the members of AI, including me feel strongly that sexual harassment of VI women is not beyond this forum, pleases respect the majority and go along. Let us be more meaningful players than police. I am sure that you, with your experience have some constructive suggestions on the subject. Please let us have the benefit of them rather than your objection. I am sure that you will oblige rather than object. regards - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Illicit people are mostly violent! If I raised some lawful issue I don't know why you people united yourself so tightly. Let us read the objectives of this group again and again and remind yourself. What we should discuss 'here' in this group or not. If you are not members of today's focus then please do become. That group was created specifically for these kinds of issues. Your convenience could cause inconvenience to so many. Now You people have to decide what to do or not. There is another group which is discussing hot political issues like capital punishment communalism etc. That is really fine. These issues fits in the scheme of its objectives. Aruni has provided a nice platform for this kind of discussions. before you see your comfort you should think about others. In temple you can not drink whine. Your freedom ends where my nose begins. You are all enlightened people I think you understand well what I want to convey. Don't be lethargic discuss these issues on today's focus. I would also join you there. With regards, unity of purpose is always better than unity of unholy conviction - Original Message - From: P. Subramani [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on What is wrong in discussing issues of sexual harassment particularly those raised Smirthi Singh? Although our group is for discussing accessibility, once a while there could be a deviation. This topic does really concern all of us. In any group for that matter, there will be some deviation of topics sometimes. So why don't accept and go on rather than otherwise. - Original Message - From: Vetrivel Murugan Adhimoolam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 1:08 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Dear Members, I have personally written to the moderator on this issue. So could we wait until a decision is made on this? Please... - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on I am putting the things in clear words again! Emphasis added it is not a question of discussing matters pertaining to sexual harassment or some thing else and their relevance for VCs. Question is since we have disowned several members from this list already. Why to just pick and choose. It is a known fact that this group is related to issues arising out of accessibility and otherwise. its not that we are that we are not concerned about these social issues. But again the question is, is it a proper forum to rays such issues? Though our parliament is competant to make laws for whole of the territory of india. But it can not alter the basic structure of our consitution. Likewise, the basic structure of this group here is to discuss issues related to accessibility. Then, a bonafide plaint is: Each member shal follow these guide lines if one is law abiding enough. If you want to flout with existing laws than law would take its own course!! With regards, Vip To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit
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Dear Tara: I think he is, rather unwittingly, suggesting the suitability of this topic being discussed in another forum. Subramani -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Taraprakash Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 7:17 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on For heaven's sake! Dream romance and sexual harassment! It shows what is the value of discussion on issues of academic and social interest for you. I wish you apologise, or may be explain how is the said issue fit for discussing at dream romance list but not here. - Original Message - From: Neeraj [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on yes that is write, we can discus these type of issues on different groupe also, like sayeverything, and dreamromance, With Regards Neeraj Manglik Mobile number: 9312902018 Yahoo id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype id: neerajmanglik We cannot be more sensitive to pleasure without being more sensitive to pain. - Original Message - From: Divyanshu Ganatra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on With all due respects, I believe this group is ment for discussing technology and computer related issues, and not sexual harassment. Let us not forget what we have joined this group for, and respect everyone's time and space on this forum. Having said that I leave it to the moderators judgement. Regards, Divyanshu -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Subramani L Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 9:53 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on The subject here is how we can help VI girls to safeguard themselves, so the topic can't be irrelevant to the group. Also, we don't merely discuss technology, disability-related issues are therefore allowed for discussion. Subramani -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vetrivel Murugan Adhimoolam Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:41 AM To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Hi everyone, I certainly understand the concerns of the member who finds lack of time in going through so many messages. However I would like to request the members to be careful while choosing certain expressions. For example the statement: We should not put our nose in each and every discussion to which we have no idea or have little knowledge to contribute. In my view this is unwarranted since none of us are specialized in all the fields and at the same time it cannot and should not be a barrier in contributing to the group. Believe me or not, my work load here in the US is so much and still I find time to go through the message list and choose which ones to read and which one to ignore based on certain priorities and availability of my time. This is not to show to the group how much hard working I am, but to show that My inconveniences cannot and should not be used as tools to request other members to restrict their participation. Perhaps it would be great if we could receive comments from other members on this. Best Regards, Vetri. - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 9:15 AM Subject: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Dear Members, I think this group is purpose specific. However, WE have reduced it in to a forum for general discussion. When we started the group there was a specific purpose behind it. There are so many things which could be discussed about the problems of VCs. I think we should have group purpose specific. So that we could be specialized in our approach in dealing with the problems related to us. Just casual remarks on issues are mere wastage of time for so many people here around. I received more than 300 messages on the issue of definition regarding the word blind. So many things which are important but do not fit in the scheme of this group could be taken up with free mind else where. Now initiating a group is not a big thing. Any body could start a group. We should not put our nose in each and every discussion to which we have no idea or have little knowledge to contribute to others. With regards, VIP I hope the group would not take it otherwise. This is a specialized world. and we are part and parcel of the same integrated globe. - Original Message - From: Naushad C A [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AccessIndia
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For the kind information of those insisting that this group is only for 'technology-related-discussion', BPO's in Bangalore today spend a lot of their time overseeing protection of their women employees, because one woman was brutally raped and killed last year by a cab driver and they don't want that to happen again. Though technology is the thrust area of this group, we can't play down the importance of individual safety. Another example that I learnt today is JAN or Job Accessibility Network in the US, who facilitate accessible work environment for persons with disability in the US, spend a great deal of time instructing clients as to how they can evacuate disabledemployees in times of emergency. Now, is it fair for JAN to say, we can discuss only work places adjustments and evacuation is out of our services? Subramani -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Taraprakash Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 7:32 PM To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Thanks for clarity but the motive is not yet clear. I do respect your respect for the law of the list. I however, regret your insensitivity towards the socially relevant issues concerning blind men and women and also that of the conventions of the list. We all break laws sometimes and you have yourself done it recently by raising your objections on the list. Just to refresh your memory, you yourself have been part of discussion threads which did not have anything to do with access technology. Why such a move towards 'propriety' now? Are we smelling a sabotage tactics there? Will you please give any example when someone was banned from the group while raising issues directly concerning the blind? You are right that forming a group is very easy these days. It, however, always has been easier to hit a delete key if you thought the message was not relevant or useful to you. I beg to ask you for that sacrifice when it concerns such an important issue. - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on I am putting the things in clear words again! Emphasis added it is not a question of discussing matters pertaining to sexual harassment or some thing else and their relevance for VCs. Question is since we have disowned several members from this list already. Why to just pick and choose. It is a known fact that this group is related to issues arising out of accessibility and otherwise. its not that we are that we are not concerned about these social issues. But again the question is, is it a proper forum to rays such issues? Though our parliament is competant to make laws for whole of the territory of india. But it can not alter the basic structure of our consitution. Likewise, the basic structure of this group here is to discuss issues related to accessibility. Then, a bonafide plaint is: Each member shal follow these guide lines if one is law abiding enough. If you want to flout with existing laws than law would take its own course!! With regards, Vip To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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I also accept the suggestion.BV. - Original Message - From: Sanjay Prasad [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Hi listers, Instead of creating a separate group why not we discuss all the relevant issues which affect directly or indirectly our lives. The founding members of this group should reconsider their decision of allowing only technology related matters to be discussed in this forum. if you feel one relevant issue is boring then you have the option of skipping those mails by referring their subjects. To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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Well, I sincerely doubt the validity of absolute legal metaphor about the scope of this group! To take the psychological perspective, may I call the emphasis on legal metaphor the availability heuristic? [like medical student's syndrome]. Well, let the matter remain sub judis till the moderator is free enough from his commitments to pay heed to the raging controversy. Let me hasten to add that whatever be the basic structure of this group, [and we need not be unduly reminded of such structure], modalities of tackling the menace of sexual harassment of VI girls are well within the collective interest of most of group members. To give the matter a technical twist, may I request the moderator to put up a polling counter on the site for soliciting the group opinion on recurring controversies to which this forum has become a home? Rajesh - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on I am putting the things in clear words again! Emphasis added it is not a question of discussing matters pertaining to sexual harassment or some thing else and their relevance for VCs. Question is since we have disowned several members from this list already. Why to just pick and choose. It is a known fact that this group is related to issues arising out of accessibility and otherwise. its not that we are that we are not concerned about these social issues. But again the question is, is it a proper forum to rays such issues? Though our parliament is competant to make laws for whole of the territory of india. But it can not alter the basic structure of our consitution. Likewise, the basic structure of this group here is to discuss issues related to accessibility. Then, a bonafide plaint is: Each member shal follow these guide lines if one is law abiding enough. If you want to flout with existing laws than law would take its own course!! With regards, Vip To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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It looks to me like this is getting a little out of hand. I would suggest we put this topic on hold until the moderator is free to resolve this issue. Divyanshu -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rajesh asudani Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 3:14 AM To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Well, I sincerely doubt the validity of absolute legal metaphor about the scope of this group! To take the psychological perspective, may I call the emphasis on legal metaphor the availability heuristic? [like medical student's syndrome]. Well, let the matter remain sub judis till the moderator is free enough from his commitments to pay heed to the raging controversy. Let me hasten to add that whatever be the basic structure of this group, [and we need not be unduly reminded of such structure], modalities of tackling the menace of sexual harassment of VI girls are well within the collective interest of most of group members. To give the matter a technical twist, may I request the moderator to put up a polling counter on the site for soliciting the group opinion on recurring controversies to which this forum has become a home? Rajesh - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on I am putting the things in clear words again! Emphasis added it is not a question of discussing matters pertaining to sexual harassment or some thing else and their relevance for VCs. Question is since we have disowned several members from this list already. Why to just pick and choose. It is a known fact that this group is related to issues arising out of accessibility and otherwise. its not that we are that we are not concerned about these social issues. But again the question is, is it a proper forum to rays such issues? Though our parliament is competant to make laws for whole of the territory of india. But it can not alter the basic structure of our consitution. Likewise, the basic structure of this group here is to discuss issues related to accessibility. Then, a bonafide plaint is: Each member shal follow these guide lines if one is law abiding enough. If you want to flout with existing laws than law would take its own course!! With regards, Vip To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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For heaven's sake! Dream romance and sexual harassment! It shows what is the value of discussion on issues of academic and social interest for you. I wish you apologise, or may be explain how is the said issue fit for discussing at dream romance list but not here. - Original Message - From: Neeraj [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on yes that is write, we can discus these type of issues on different groupe also, like sayeverything, and dreamromance, With Regards Neeraj Manglik Mobile number: 9312902018 Yahoo id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype id: neerajmanglik We cannot be more sensitive to pleasure without being more sensitive to pain. - Original Message - From: Divyanshu Ganatra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on With all due respects, I believe this group is ment for discussing technology and computer related issues, and not sexual harassment. Let us not forget what we have joined this group for, and respect everyone's time and space on this forum. Having said that I leave it to the moderators judgement. Regards, Divyanshu -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Subramani L Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 9:53 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on The subject here is how we can help VI girls to safeguard themselves, so the topic can't be irrelevant to the group. Also, we don't merely discuss technology, disability-related issues are therefore allowed for discussion. Subramani -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vetrivel Murugan Adhimoolam Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:41 AM To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Hi everyone, I certainly understand the concerns of the member who finds lack of time in going through so many messages. However I would like to request the members to be careful while choosing certain expressions. For example the statement: We should not put our nose in each and every discussion to which we have no idea or have little knowledge to contribute. In my view this is unwarranted since none of us are specialized in all the fields and at the same time it cannot and should not be a barrier in contributing to the group. Believe me or not, my work load here in the US is so much and still I find time to go through the message list and choose which ones to read and which one to ignore based on certain priorities and availability of my time. This is not to show to the group how much hard working I am, but to show that My inconveniences cannot and should not be used as tools to request other members to restrict their participation. Perhaps it would be great if we could receive comments from other members on this. Best Regards, Vetri. - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 9:15 AM Subject: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Dear Members, I think this group is purpose specific. However, WE have reduced it in to a forum for general discussion. When we started the group there was a specific purpose behind it. There are so many things which could be discussed about the problems of VCs. I think we should have group purpose specific. So that we could be specialized in our approach in dealing with the problems related to us. Just casual remarks on issues are mere wastage of time for so many people here around. I received more than 300 messages on the issue of definition regarding the word blind. So many things which are important but do not fit in the scheme of this group could be taken up with free mind else where. Now initiating a group is not a big thing. Any body could start a group. We should not put our nose in each and every discussion to which we have no idea or have little knowledge to contribute to others. With regards, VIP I hope the group would not take it otherwise. This is a specialized world. and we are part and parcel of the same integrated globe. - Original Message - From: Naushad C A [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AccessIndia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 7:36 PM Subject: [AI] question hello friends my name is Naushad and I am putting a question first time in access india. I am learning web programming from last one month. as a blind person actually I am struggling now with an issue about flash elements. How can I give disable friendly lables for flash element like buttons
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Thanks for clarity but the motive is not yet clear. I do respect your respect for the law of the list. I however, regret your insensitivity towards the socially relevant issues concerning blind men and women and also that of the conventions of the list. We all break laws sometimes and you have yourself done it recently by raising your objections on the list. Just to refresh your memory, you yourself have been part of discussion threads which did not have anything to do with access technology. Why such a move towards 'propriety' now? Are we smelling a sabotage tactics there? Will you please give any example when someone was banned from the group while raising issues directly concerning the blind? You are right that forming a group is very easy these days. It, however, always has been easier to hit a delete key if you thought the message was not relevant or useful to you. I beg to ask you for that sacrifice when it concerns such an important issue. - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on I am putting the things in clear words again! Emphasis added it is not a question of discussing matters pertaining to sexual harassment or some thing else and their relevance for VCs. Question is since we have disowned several members from this list already. Why to just pick and choose. It is a known fact that this group is related to issues arising out of accessibility and otherwise. its not that we are that we are not concerned about these social issues. But again the question is, is it a proper forum to rays such issues? Though our parliament is competant to make laws for whole of the territory of india. But it can not alter the basic structure of our consitution. Likewise, the basic structure of this group here is to discuss issues related to accessibility. Then, a bonafide plaint is: Each member shal follow these guide lines if one is law abiding enough. If you want to flout with existing laws than law would take its own course!! With regards, Vip To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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hi list, nothing wrong in discussing any issue relating to disability and disabled persons whether accessability or sexual harassment. the very purpose is to draw the atention of the group towards the burning issues. all of us should try to find ways to curb such vicious happenings cheers dattu aggarwal rajesh asudani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I sincerely doubt the validity of absolute legal metaphor about the scope of this group! To take the psychological perspective, may I call the emphasis on legal metaphor the availability heuristic? [like medical student's syndrome]. Well, let the matter remain sub judis till the moderator is free enough from his commitments to pay heed to the raging controversy. Let me hasten to add that whatever be the basic structure of this group, [and we need not be unduly reminded of such structure], modalities of tackling the menace of sexual harassment of VI girls are well within the collective interest of most of group members. To give the matter a technical twist, may I request the moderator to put up a polling counter on the site for soliciting the group opinion on recurring controversies to which this forum has become a home? Rajesh - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra To: Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on I am putting the things in clear words again! Emphasis added it is not a question of discussing matters pertaining to sexual harassment or some thing else and their relevance for VCs. Question is since we have disowned several members from this list already. Why to just pick and choose. It is a known fact that this group is related to issues arising out of accessibility and otherwise. its not that we are that we are not concerned about these social issues. But again the question is, is it a proper forum to rays such issues? Though our parliament is competant to make laws for whole of the territory of india. But it can not alter the basic structure of our consitution. Likewise, the basic structure of this group here is to discuss issues related to accessibility. Then, a bonafide plaint is: Each member shal follow these guide lines if one is law abiding enough. If you want to flout with existing laws than law would take its own course!! With regards, Vip To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in - Find out what India is talking about on - Yahoo! Answers India Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Yahoo! Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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Dear Members, I have personally written to the moderator on this issue. So could we wait until a decision is made on this? Please... - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on I am putting the things in clear words again! Emphasis added it is not a question of discussing matters pertaining to sexual harassment or some thing else and their relevance for VCs. Question is since we have disowned several members from this list already. Why to just pick and choose. It is a known fact that this group is related to issues arising out of accessibility and otherwise. its not that we are that we are not concerned about these social issues. But again the question is, is it a proper forum to rays such issues? Though our parliament is competant to make laws for whole of the territory of india. But it can not alter the basic structure of our consitution. Likewise, the basic structure of this group here is to discuss issues related to accessibility. Then, a bonafide plaint is: Each member shal follow these guide lines if one is law abiding enough. If you want to flout with existing laws than law would take its own course!! With regards, Vip To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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Hello Ramakrishna, I fully agree with you and also appreciate your view in this regards. Actually, I am appreciating your views not for this that you are supporting my point, but also from this point of you that you have stressed its relevancy to Blind girls. Really, we should think over seriously on this issue that in which forum may a girl raise this issue only for asking specific suggestion? while most of blind girls live quiet separate from the society and they do not know that how they can save themselves from this sexual harassment specially in various blind institutions. I want to your introduction, if you should like to prefer it. Thanks, rakesh. - Original Message - From: K Ramkrishna [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chetan Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Well said Chetan, this site has been formulated with a view to discuss issues relating to computer-technology, access, advocacy and any other relevant issues like concessions, legal issues, etc. Pls remember we have a no. of ladies in our group sexual harassment is a very serious issue howling at them. It is surprising how any one of us can think that sexual harassment is beyond the scope of this site. Its true that everyone of us may be interested in a specific range of topics are free to read mails related to that delete others, but to say that mails relating to the preferred issues of some of us should only be referred to the site is not fair. A shop displays a no. of products that is the beauty of a shop u may pick up whatever u choose to buy, does it mean we should condemn the shop for shelving other products. So pls let us be very careful before blowing whistle or usurping the right of the moderator. Its right we had a extended discussion on stray dogs, which some of us did not like. Now we need to address the sexual harassment issue. Vetri Taraprakash have raised some que.'s which are very relevant we need to discuss find answers for them. Finally, there had been a mention that some NGOs institutions involved in blind welfare are exposing their ladies inmates to sexual harassment. We, as a group, should bring to book the list of such NGOs institutions irrespective of the popularity of the head of the orgn. publicise this adequately. So let us look at the positive side of the issue noting that we have a responsibility to protect the vulnerable section of the society. Rgds, (K. Ramkrishna) 5.12.06 - Original Message - From: Chetan Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Hi list, I am not able to understand, why this group can not or should not discuss the sexual harassment of Blind women. If an extended discussion on stray dogs is relevant, if we can discuss reservations and concessions for VIs, and if any other problem faced by Blind and Visually impaired is a part and parcel of this list, why can't we discuss sexual harassment of Blind women? If somebody has joined group to discuss issues pertaining to computers and technology only then i think he/she misjudged the objectives of this group. There has been a persistent argument about the precious time. Please understand Everybody's time is equally important and precious. Do you think when smriti raise this issue, she was free and had no business at all? Is she passing her time by raising such issues? not at all. more over, first one or two lines, even subject can also suggest, what is written in the message. If one does not like something, he or she can easily delete the message. it is nowhere in the group's policy that every member has to read entire message and can not delete the message before reading it completely. With regards, Chetan Sharma - Original Message - From: Divyanshu Ganatra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on With all due respects, I believe this group is ment for discussing technology and computer related issues, and not sexual harassment. Let us not forget what we have joined this group for, and respect everyone's time and space on this forum. Having said that I leave it to the moderators judgement. Regards, Divyanshu -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Subramani L Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 9:53 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on The subject here is how we can help VI girls to safeguard themselves, so the topic can't be irrelevant to the group. Also, we don't merely discuss technology, disability-related issues are therefore allowed
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dear list members, we have already spent much time in discussing this topic now i request to end the conterversy and give atention towards other crucial subjects. regards dattu agarwal Dattu Agarwal Agarwal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi list, nothing wrong in discussing any issue relating to disability and disabled persons whether accessability or sexual harassment. the very purpose is to draw the atention of the group towards the burning issues. all of us should try to find ways to curb such vicious happenings cheers dattu aggarwal rajesh asudani wrote: Well, I sincerely doubt the validity of absolute legal metaphor about the scope of this group! To take the psychological perspective, may I call the emphasis on legal metaphor the availability heuristic? [like medical student's syndrome]. Well, let the matter remain sub judis till the moderator is free enough from his commitments to pay heed to the raging controversy. Let me hasten to add that whatever be the basic structure of this group, [and we need not be unduly reminded of such structure], modalities of tackling the menace of sexual harassment of VI girls are well within the collective interest of most of group members. To give the matter a technical twist, may I request the moderator to put up a polling counter on the site for soliciting the group opinion on recurring controversies to which this forum has become a home? Rajesh - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra To: Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on I am putting the things in clear words again! Emphasis added it is not a question of discussing matters pertaining to sexual harassment or some thing else and their relevance for VCs. Question is since we have disowned several members from this list already. Why to just pick and choose. It is a known fact that this group is related to issues arising out of accessibility and otherwise. its not that we are that we are not concerned about these social issues. But again the question is, is it a proper forum to rays such issues? Though our parliament is competant to make laws for whole of the territory of india. But it can not alter the basic structure of our consitution. Likewise, the basic structure of this group here is to discuss issues related to accessibility. Then, a bonafide plaint is: Each member shal follow these guide lines if one is law abiding enough. If you want to flout with existing laws than law would take its own course!! With regards, Vip To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in - Find out what India is talking about on - Yahoo! Answers India Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Yahoo! Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in - Find out what India is talking about on - Yahoo! Answers India Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Yahoo! Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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Dear Neeraj, What's happening with us. How can you treat such a serious issue relating to visually impaired ladies in such a casual fashion? Is this a topic of discussion under romance and dream? It only shows that we are getting more and more insensitive. regards - Original Message - From: Taraprakash [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on For heaven's sake! Dream romance and sexual harassment! It shows what is the value of discussion on issues of academic and social interest for you. I wish you apologise, or may be explain how is the said issue fit for discussing at dream romance list but not here. - Original Message - From: Neeraj [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on yes that is write, we can discus these type of issues on different groupe also, like sayeverything, and dreamromance, With Regards Neeraj Manglik Mobile number: 9312902018 Yahoo id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype id: neerajmanglik We cannot be more sensitive to pleasure without being more sensitive to pain. - Original Message - From: Divyanshu Ganatra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on With all due respects, I believe this group is ment for discussing technology and computer related issues, and not sexual harassment. Let us not forget what we have joined this group for, and respect everyone's time and space on this forum. Having said that I leave it to the moderators judgement. Regards, Divyanshu -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Subramani L Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 9:53 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on The subject here is how we can help VI girls to safeguard themselves, so the topic can't be irrelevant to the group. Also, we don't merely discuss technology, disability-related issues are therefore allowed for discussion. Subramani -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vetrivel Murugan Adhimoolam Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:41 AM To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Hi everyone, I certainly understand the concerns of the member who finds lack of time in going through so many messages. However I would like to request the members to be careful while choosing certain expressions. For example the statement: We should not put our nose in each and every discussion to which we have no idea or have little knowledge to contribute. In my view this is unwarranted since none of us are specialized in all the fields and at the same time it cannot and should not be a barrier in contributing to the group. Believe me or not, my work load here in the US is so much and still I find time to go through the message list and choose which ones to read and which one to ignore based on certain priorities and availability of my time. This is not to show to the group how much hard working I am, but to show that My inconveniences cannot and should not be used as tools to request other members to restrict their participation. Perhaps it would be great if we could receive comments from other members on this. Best Regards, Vetri. - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 9:15 AM Subject: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Dear Members, I think this group is purpose specific. However, WE have reduced it in to a forum for general discussion. When we started the group there was a specific purpose behind it. There are so many things which could be discussed about the problems of VCs. I think we should have group purpose specific. So that we could be specialized in our approach in dealing with the problems related to us. Just casual remarks on issues are mere wastage of time for so many people here around. I received more than 300 messages on the issue of definition regarding the word blind. So many things which are important but do not fit in the scheme of this group could be taken up with free mind else where. Now initiating a group is not a big thing. Any body could start a group. We should not put our nose in each and every discussion to which we have no idea or have little knowledge to contribute to others. With regards, VIP I hope the group would not take it otherwise. This is a specialized world. and we are part and parcel of the same integrated
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Well, We have been discussing the eligibility of this issue on this list and not whereelse we can discuss this issue. We may disagree on certain issues, but should not make irresponsible, insensitive and illogical suggestions. I am very disappointed to read the suggestion of neeraj. For god's sake! apply some rational before making such comments. Regards, Chetan Sharma - Original Message - From: K Ramkrishna [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Dear Neeraj, What's happening with us. How can you treat such a serious issue relating to visually impaired ladies in such a casual fashion? Is this a topic of discussion under romance and dream? It only shows that we are getting more and more insensitive. regards - Original Message - From: Taraprakash [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on For heaven's sake! Dream romance and sexual harassment! It shows what is the value of discussion on issues of academic and social interest for you. I wish you apologise, or may be explain how is the said issue fit for discussing at dream romance list but not here. - Original Message - From: Neeraj [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on yes that is write, we can discus these type of issues on different groupe also, like sayeverything, and dreamromance, With Regards Neeraj Manglik Mobile number: 9312902018 Yahoo id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype id: neerajmanglik We cannot be more sensitive to pleasure without being more sensitive to pain. - Original Message - From: Divyanshu Ganatra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on With all due respects, I believe this group is ment for discussing technology and computer related issues, and not sexual harassment. Let us not forget what we have joined this group for, and respect everyone's time and space on this forum. Having said that I leave it to the moderators judgement. Regards, Divyanshu -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Subramani L Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 9:53 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on The subject here is how we can help VI girls to safeguard themselves, so the topic can't be irrelevant to the group. Also, we don't merely discuss technology, disability-related issues are therefore allowed for discussion. Subramani -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vetrivel Murugan Adhimoolam Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:41 AM To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Hi everyone, I certainly understand the concerns of the member who finds lack of time in going through so many messages. However I would like to request the members to be careful while choosing certain expressions. For example the statement: We should not put our nose in each and every discussion to which we have no idea or have little knowledge to contribute. In my view this is unwarranted since none of us are specialized in all the fields and at the same time it cannot and should not be a barrier in contributing to the group. Believe me or not, my work load here in the US is so much and still I find time to go through the message list and choose which ones to read and which one to ignore based on certain priorities and availability of my time. This is not to show to the group how much hard working I am, but to show that My inconveniences cannot and should not be used as tools to request other members to restrict their participation. Perhaps it would be great if we could receive comments from other members on this. Best Regards, Vetri. - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 9:15 AM Subject: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Dear Members, I think this group is purpose specific. However, WE have reduced it in to a forum for general discussion. When we started the group there was a specific purpose behind it. There are so many things which could be discussed about the problems of VCs. I think we should have group purpose specific. So that we could be specialized in our approach in dealing with the problems related to us. Just casual remarks on issues are mere wastage of time for so
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Dear Members, I think this group is purpose specific. However, WE have reduced it in to a forum for general discussion. When we started the group there was a specific purpose behind it. There are so many things which could be discussed about the problems of VCs. I think we should have group purpose specific. So that we could be specialized in our approach in dealing with the problems related to us. Just casual remarks on issues are mere wastage of time for so many people here around. I received more than 300 messages on the issue of definition regarding the word blind. So many things which are important but do not fit in the scheme of this group could be taken up with free mind else where. Now initiating a group is not a big thing. Any body could start a group. We should not put our nose in each and every discussion to which we have no idea or have little knowledge to contribute to others. With regards, VIP I hope the group would not take it otherwise. This is a specialized world. and we are part and parcel of the same integrated globe. - Original Message - From: Naushad C A [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AccessIndia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 7:36 PM Subject: [AI] question hello friends my name is Naushad and I am putting a question first time in access india. I am learning web programming from last one month. as a blind person actually I am struggling now with an issue about flash elements. How can I give disable friendly lables for flash element like buttons and other movie clips. willyou please give me a reply? Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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Hi everyone, I certainly understand the concerns of the member who finds lack of time in going through so many messages. However I would like to request the members to be careful while choosing certain expressions. For example the statement: We should not put our nose in each and every discussion to which we have no idea or have little knowledge to contribute. In my view this is unwarranted since none of us are specialized in all the fields and at the same time it cannot and should not be a barrier in contributing to the group. Believe me or not, my work load here in the US is so much and still I find time to go through the message list and choose which ones to read and which one to ignore based on certain priorities and availability of my time. This is not to show to the group how much hard working I am, but to show that My inconveniences cannot and should not be used as tools to request other members to restrict their participation. Perhaps it would be great if we could receive comments from other members on this. Best Regards, Vetri. - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 9:15 AM Subject: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Dear Members, I think this group is purpose specific. However, WE have reduced it in to a forum for general discussion. When we started the group there was a specific purpose behind it. There are so many things which could be discussed about the problems of VCs. I think we should have group purpose specific. So that we could be specialized in our approach in dealing with the problems related to us. Just casual remarks on issues are mere wastage of time for so many people here around. I received more than 300 messages on the issue of definition regarding the word blind. So many things which are important but do not fit in the scheme of this group could be taken up with free mind else where. Now initiating a group is not a big thing. Any body could start a group. We should not put our nose in each and every discussion to which we have no idea or have little knowledge to contribute to others. With regards, VIP I hope the group would not take it otherwise. This is a specialized world. and we are part and parcel of the same integrated globe. - Original Message - From: Naushad C A [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AccessIndia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 7:36 PM Subject: [AI] question hello friends my name is Naushad and I am putting a question first time in access india. I am learning web programming from last one month. as a blind person actually I am struggling now with an issue about flash elements. How can I give disable friendly lables for flash element like buttons and other movie clips. willyou please give me a reply? Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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Hello to all, Yes Vetri! I agree with you. Being a member of an intellectual group, we should have some patience for remarking on knowledge of anyone of us because expression and open discussion on any point will create self confidence in a person. Thanks, Rakesh. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Vetrivel Murugan Adhimoolam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Hi everyone, I certainly understand the concerns of the member who finds lack of time in going through so many messages. However I would like to request the members to be careful while choosing certain expressions. For example the statement: We should not put our nose in each and every discussion to which we have no idea or have little knowledge to contribute. In my view this is unwarranted since none of us are specialized in all the fields and at the same time it cannot and should not be a barrier in contributing to the group. Believe me or not, my work load here in the US is so much and still I find time to go through the message list and choose which ones to read and which one to ignore based on certain priorities and availability of my time. This is not to show to the group how much hard working I am, but to show that My inconveniences cannot and should not be used as tools to request other members to restrict their participation. Perhaps it would be great if we could receive comments from other members on this. Best Regards, Vetri. - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 9:15 AM Subject: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Dear Members, I think this group is purpose specific. However, WE have reduced it in to a forum for general discussion. When we started the group there was a specific purpose behind it. There are so many things which could be discussed about the problems of VCs. I think we should have group purpose specific. So that we could be specialized in our approach in dealing with the problems related to us. Just casual remarks on issues are mere wastage of time for so many people here around. I received more than 300 messages on the issue of definition regarding the word blind. So many things which are important but do not fit in the scheme of this group could be taken up with free mind else where. Now initiating a group is not a big thing. Any body could start a group. We should not put our nose in each and every discussion to which we have no idea or have little knowledge to contribute to others. With regards, VIP I hope the group would not take it otherwise. This is a specialized world. and we are part and parcel of the same integrated globe. - Original Message - From: Naushad C A [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AccessIndia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 7:36 PM Subject: [AI] question hello friends my name is Naushad and I am putting a question first time in access india. I am learning web programming from last one month. as a blind person actually I am struggling now with an issue about flash elements. How can I give disable friendly lables for flash element like buttons and other movie clips. willyou please give me a reply? Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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Definitely - Original Message - From: rakesh kumar gupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 12:54 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Hello to all, Yes Vetri! I agree with you. Being a member of an intellectual group, we should have some patience for remarking on knowledge of anyone of us because expression and open discussion on any point will create self confidence in a person. Thanks, Rakesh. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Vetrivel Murugan Adhimoolam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Hi everyone, I certainly understand the concerns of the member who finds lack of time in going through so many messages. However I would like to request the members to be careful while choosing certain expressions. For example the statement: We should not put our nose in each and every discussion to which we have no idea or have little knowledge to contribute. In my view this is unwarranted since none of us are specialized in all the fields and at the same time it cannot and should not be a barrier in contributing to the group. Believe me or not, my work load here in the US is so much and still I find time to go through the message list and choose which ones to read and which one to ignore based on certain priorities and availability of my time. This is not to show to the group how much hard working I am, but to show that My inconveniences cannot and should not be used as tools to request other members to restrict their participation. Perhaps it would be great if we could receive comments from other members on this. Best Regards, Vetri. - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 9:15 AM Subject: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Dear Members, I think this group is purpose specific. However, WE have reduced it in to a forum for general discussion. When we started the group there was a specific purpose behind it. There are so many things which could be discussed about the problems of VCs. I think we should have group purpose specific. So that we could be specialized in our approach in dealing with the problems related to us. Just casual remarks on issues are mere wastage of time for so many people here around. I received more than 300 messages on the issue of definition regarding the word blind. So many things which are important but do not fit in the scheme of this group could be taken up with free mind else where. Now initiating a group is not a big thing. Any body could start a group. We should not put our nose in each and every discussion to which we have no idea or have little knowledge to contribute to others. With regards, VIP I hope the group would not take it otherwise. This is a specialized world. and we are part and parcel of the same integrated globe. - Original Message - From: Naushad C A [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AccessIndia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 7:36 PM Subject: [AI] question hello friends my name is Naushad and I am putting a question first time in access india. I am learning web programming from last one month. as a blind person actually I am struggling now with an issue about flash elements. How can I give disable friendly lables for flash element like buttons and other movie clips. willyou please give me a reply? Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Send instant messages to your online friends http://in.messenger.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http
Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on
Patience for what my dear friends! Everyone knows what is the basic purpose of this group. I did not say that there should be voting on the issue! Realism should not be set aside for winning cheap populism. Let us not be eluded and deceived by those who under the garb of intellectualism and idealism of patience want to robe us of our precious time. Those who have knowledge about the common law are aware of the fact that once the group is moderated by some one if he allows certain issues to be raised which are not in the very objectives of this group and the group belongs to public domain. he could be held vicariously liable and could be sued in the courts for adequate compensation by any of the member for damages. So please bear with our friend Kiran! He is not going to pay some thing from his pocket. Law of tort is getting stronger and stronger these days and courts are very sensitive about the harms caused to some one even indirectly. The only remedy I could perceive under the circumstances that this group has expended like anything. Now we could declare this group as unmoderated and declare that 'any discussion which is catering to the wellbeing of VCs could be taken up directly or indirectly and every person who joins this group has to act according to his own good conscience. No member is in any way liable for the damages caused to him by reading the contents of this group. With lots of love and care to all! Vip Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra Deptt. of Political Science, Sri Aurobindo College, Delhi University Mobile: +91993958 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype Id. vipin.malhotra - Original Message - From: rakesh kumar gupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Hello to all, Yes Vetri! I agree with you. Being a member of an intellectual group, we should have some patience for remarking on knowledge of anyone of us because expression and open discussion on any point will create self confidence in a person. Thanks, Rakesh. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Vetrivel Murugan Adhimoolam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Hi everyone, I certainly understand the concerns of the member who finds lack of time in going through so many messages. However I would like to request the members to be careful while choosing certain expressions. For example the statement: We should not put our nose in each and every discussion to which we have no idea or have little knowledge to contribute. In my view this is unwarranted since none of us are specialized in all the fields and at the same time it cannot and should not be a barrier in contributing to the group. Believe me or not, my work load here in the US is so much and still I find time to go through the message list and choose which ones to read and which one to ignore based on certain priorities and availability of my time. This is not to show to the group how much hard working I am, but to show that My inconveniences cannot and should not be used as tools to request other members to restrict their participation. Perhaps it would be great if we could receive comments from other members on this. Best Regards, Vetri. - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 9:15 AM Subject: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Dear Members, I think this group is purpose specific. However, WE have reduced it in to a forum for general discussion. When we started the group there was a specific purpose behind it. There are so many things which could be discussed about the problems of VCs. I think we should have group purpose specific. So that we could be specialized in our approach in dealing with the problems related to us. Just casual remarks on issues are mere wastage of time for so many people here around. I received more than 300 messages on the issue of definition regarding the word blind. So many things which are important but do not fit in the scheme of this group could be taken up with free mind else where. Now initiating a group is not a big thing. Any body could start a group. We should not put our nose in each and every discussion to which we have no idea or have little knowledge to contribute to others. With regards, VIP I hope the group would not take it otherwise. This is a specialized world. and we are part and parcel of the same integrated globe. - Original Message - From: Naushad C A [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AccessIndia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 7:36 PM Subject: [AI] question hello friends my name is Naushad
Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on
Nothing in this world is so definite as you are claiming for yourself!! enjoy if you are comfortable like this! - Original Message - From: Vetrivel Murugan Adhimoolam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 4:11 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Definitely - Original Message - From: rakesh kumar gupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 12:54 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Hello to all, Yes Vetri! I agree with you. Being a member of an intellectual group, we should have some patience for remarking on knowledge of anyone of us because expression and open discussion on any point will create self confidence in a person. Thanks, Rakesh. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Vetrivel Murugan Adhimoolam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED]; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Hi everyone, I certainly understand the concerns of the member who finds lack of time in going through so many messages. However I would like to request the members to be careful while choosing certain expressions. For example the statement: We should not put our nose in each and every discussion to which we have no idea or have little knowledge to contribute. In my view this is unwarranted since none of us are specialized in all the fields and at the same time it cannot and should not be a barrier in contributing to the group. Believe me or not, my work load here in the US is so much and still I find time to go through the message list and choose which ones to read and which one to ignore based on certain priorities and availability of my time. This is not to show to the group how much hard working I am, but to show that My inconveniences cannot and should not be used as tools to request other members to restrict their participation. Perhaps it would be great if we could receive comments from other members on this. Best Regards, Vetri. - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 9:15 AM Subject: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Dear Members, I think this group is purpose specific. However, WE have reduced it in to a forum for general discussion. When we started the group there was a specific purpose behind it. There are so many things which could be discussed about the problems of VCs. I think we should have group purpose specific. So that we could be specialized in our approach in dealing with the problems related to us. Just casual remarks on issues are mere wastage of time for so many people here around. I received more than 300 messages on the issue of definition regarding the word blind. So many things which are important but do not fit in the scheme of this group could be taken up with free mind else where. Now initiating a group is not a big thing. Any body could start a group. We should not put our nose in each and every discussion to which we have no idea or have little knowledge to contribute to others. With regards, VIP I hope the group would not take it otherwise. This is a specialized world. and we are part and parcel of the same integrated globe. - Original Message - From: Naushad C A [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AccessIndia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 7:36 PM Subject: [AI] question hello friends my name is Naushad and I am putting a question first time in access india. I am learning web programming from last one month. as a blind person actually I am struggling now with an issue about flash elements. How can I give disable friendly lables for flash element like buttons and other movie clips. willyou please give me a reply? Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on
Hi Rakesh,
I think that we have made our points very clear and there is no reason to
bother about personalized messages being forwarded to the list again and
again. So my suggestion is that we should not be carried away by certain
messages being forwarded out of anger and I am sure that majority of the
list members will share those concerns that we raised.
Vetri.
- Original Message -
From: rakesh kumar gupta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED];
accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 3:43 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on
Hello DR. Vipin,
It seems that you want to run this group according your choice
undemocratically and you also want to declare that you are the only
person,who has all type of knowledge of all type of law, other members
have
no knowledge in this regard.
I am telling you with great regret that being a lecturer in Delhi
University, you haven't followed proper procedure of any complain and any
disliking in this regard. My dear friend! if you had whenever or have any
objection or any complain against raising any issue or procedure of
immoderation even though today also, you should directly send your email
to Kiran {the moderator} for it.
Take care,
Rakesh Kumar Gupta,
PGT. / LECTURER of political science.
Mob: (91) 9868250258.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on
Patience for what my dear friends!
Everyone knows what is the basic purpose of this group. I did not say
that
there should be voting on the issue!
Realism should not be set aside for winning cheap populism. Let us not be
eluded and deceived by those who under the garb of intellectualism and
idealism of patience want to robe us of our precious time.
Those who have knowledge about the common law are aware of the fact that
once the group is moderated by some one if he allows certain issues to
be
raised which are not in the very objectives of this group and the group
belongs to public domain. he could be held vicariously liable and could
be
sued in the courts for adequate compensation by any of the member for
damages.
So please bear with our friend Kiran! He is not going to pay some thing
from
his pocket. Law of tort is getting stronger and stronger these days and
courts are very sensitive about the harms caused to some one even
indirectly.
The only remedy I could perceive under the circumstances that this group
has
expended like anything. Now we could declare this group as unmoderated
and
declare that 'any discussion which is catering to the wellbeing of VCs
could be taken up directly or indirectly and every person who joins this
group has to act according to his own good conscience. No member is in
any
way liable for the damages caused to him by reading the contents of this
group.
With lots of love and care to all!
Vip
Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra
Deptt. of Political Science, Sri Aurobindo College,
Delhi University
Mobile: +91993958
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Skype Id. vipin.malhotra
- Original Message -
From: rakesh kumar gupta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on
Hello to all,
Yes Vetri! I agree with you.
Being a member of an intellectual group, we should have some patience
for
remarking on knowledge of anyone of us because expression and open
discussion on any point will create self confidence in a person.
Thanks,
Rakesh.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From: Vetrivel Murugan Adhimoolam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED];
accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on
Hi everyone,
I certainly understand the concerns of the member who finds lack of
time
in
going through so many messages. However I would like to request the
members
to be careful while choosing certain expressions. For example the
statement:
We should not put our nose in
each and every discussion to which we have no idea or have little
knowledge
to contribute. In my view this is unwarranted since none of us are
specialized in all the fields and at the same time it cannot and should
not
be a barrier in contributing to the group. Believe me or not, my work
load
here in the US is so much and still I find time to go through the
message
list and choose which ones to read and which one to ignore based on
certain
priorities and availability of my time. This is not to show to the
group
how
much hard working I am, but to show that My inconveniences cannot and
should
not be used as tools to request other members to restrict
Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on
Noone can appreciate that in PC or technology related group, issues related
to rape or sexual harassment should be raised.
there is a yung friend of us Amit Bhat some days back he started a group
called today's focuss. I think that kind of group should be useful for
people like you.
please don't take undue advantage of the popularity of this forum for
raising such issues which are no less important but lack contextual
importance for this group.
I think I have made my point clear to all those who keep on raising such
issues with genuin concern.
With regards,
Vip
- Original Message -
From: Vetrivel Murugan Adhimoolam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on
Hi Rakesh,
I think that we have made our points very clear and there is no reason to
bother about personalized messages being forwarded to the list again and
again. So my suggestion is that we should not be carried away by certain
messages being forwarded out of anger and I am sure that majority of the
list members will share those concerns that we raised.
Vetri.
- Original Message -
From: rakesh kumar gupta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED];
accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 3:43 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on
Hello DR. Vipin,
It seems that you want to run this group according your choice
undemocratically and you also want to declare that you are the only
person,who has all type of knowledge of all type of law, other members
have
no knowledge in this regard.
I am telling you with great regret that being a lecturer in Delhi
University, you haven't followed proper procedure of any complain and any
disliking in this regard. My dear friend! if you had whenever or have any
objection or any complain against raising any issue or procedure of
immoderation even though today also, you should directly send your
email
to Kiran {the moderator} for it.
Take care,
Rakesh Kumar Gupta,
PGT. / LECTURER of political science.
Mob: (91) 9868250258.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on
Patience for what my dear friends!
Everyone knows what is the basic purpose of this group. I did not say
that
there should be voting on the issue!
Realism should not be set aside for winning cheap populism. Let us not
be
eluded and deceived by those who under the garb of intellectualism and
idealism of patience want to robe us of our precious time.
Those who have knowledge about the common law are aware of the fact that
once the group is moderated by some one if he allows certain issues to
be
raised which are not in the very objectives of this group and the group
belongs to public domain. he could be held vicariously liable and could
be
sued in the courts for adequate compensation by any of the member for
damages.
So please bear with our friend Kiran! He is not going to pay some thing
from
his pocket. Law of tort is getting stronger and stronger these days and
courts are very sensitive about the harms caused to some one even
indirectly.
The only remedy I could perceive under the circumstances that this group
has
expended like anything. Now we could declare this group as unmoderated
and
declare that 'any discussion which is catering to the wellbeing of VCs
could be taken up directly or indirectly and every person who joins this
group has to act according to his own good conscience. No member is in
any
way liable for the damages caused to him by reading the contents of this
group.
With lots of love and care to all!
Vip
Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra
Deptt. of Political Science, Sri Aurobindo College,
Delhi University
Mobile: +91993958
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Skype Id. vipin.malhotra
- Original Message -
From: rakesh kumar gupta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on
Hello to all,
Yes Vetri! I agree with you.
Being a member of an intellectual group, we should have some patience
for
remarking on knowledge of anyone of us because expression and open
discussion on any point will create self confidence in a person.
Thanks,
Rakesh.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From: Vetrivel Murugan Adhimoolam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED];
accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on
Hi everyone,
I certainly understand the concerns of the member who finds lack of
time
in
going through so many messages. However I would like
Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on
The subject here is how we can help VI girls to safeguard themselves, so the topic can't be irrelevant to the group. Also, we don't merely discuss technology, disability-related issues are therefore allowed for discussion. Subramani -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vetrivel Murugan Adhimoolam Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:41 AM To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Hi everyone, I certainly understand the concerns of the member who finds lack of time in going through so many messages. However I would like to request the members to be careful while choosing certain expressions. For example the statement: We should not put our nose in each and every discussion to which we have no idea or have little knowledge to contribute. In my view this is unwarranted since none of us are specialized in all the fields and at the same time it cannot and should not be a barrier in contributing to the group. Believe me or not, my work load here in the US is so much and still I find time to go through the message list and choose which ones to read and which one to ignore based on certain priorities and availability of my time. This is not to show to the group how much hard working I am, but to show that My inconveniences cannot and should not be used as tools to request other members to restrict their participation. Perhaps it would be great if we could receive comments from other members on this. Best Regards, Vetri. - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 9:15 AM Subject: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Dear Members, I think this group is purpose specific. However, WE have reduced it in to a forum for general discussion. When we started the group there was a specific purpose behind it. There are so many things which could be discussed about the problems of VCs. I think we should have group purpose specific. So that we could be specialized in our approach in dealing with the problems related to us. Just casual remarks on issues are mere wastage of time for so many people here around. I received more than 300 messages on the issue of definition regarding the word blind. So many things which are important but do not fit in the scheme of this group could be taken up with free mind else where. Now initiating a group is not a big thing. Any body could start a group. We should not put our nose in each and every discussion to which we have no idea or have little knowledge to contribute to others. With regards, VIP I hope the group would not take it otherwise. This is a specialized world. and we are part and parcel of the same integrated globe. - Original Message - From: Naushad C A [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AccessIndia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 7:36 PM Subject: [AI] question hello friends my name is Naushad and I am putting a question first time in access india. I am learning web programming from last one month. as a blind person actually I am struggling now with an issue about flash elements. How can I give disable friendly lables for flash element like buttons and other movie clips. willyou please give me a reply? Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.i n To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on
that group was not todays focus, but that is sayeverything.
With Regards
Neeraj Manglik
Mobile number: 9312902018
Yahoo id:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
msn id:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
skype id:
neerajmanglik
We cannot be more sensitive to pleasure without being more sensitive to
pain.
- Original Message -
From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on
Noone can appreciate that in PC or technology related group, issues
related
to rape or sexual harassment should be raised.
there is a yung friend of us Amit Bhat some days back he started a group
called today's focuss. I think that kind of group should be useful for
people like you.
please don't take undue advantage of the popularity of this forum for
raising such issues which are no less important but lack contextual
importance for this group.
I think I have made my point clear to all those who keep on raising such
issues with genuin concern.
With regards,
Vip
- Original Message -
From: Vetrivel Murugan Adhimoolam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on
Hi Rakesh,
I think that we have made our points very clear and there is no reason to
bother about personalized messages being forwarded to the list again and
again. So my suggestion is that we should not be carried away by certain
messages being forwarded out of anger and I am sure that majority of the
list members will share those concerns that we raised.
Vetri.
- Original Message -
From: rakesh kumar gupta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED];
accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 3:43 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on
Hello DR. Vipin,
It seems that you want to run this group according your choice
undemocratically and you also want to declare that you are the only
person,who has all type of knowledge of all type of law, other members
have
no knowledge in this regard.
I am telling you with great regret that being a lecturer in Delhi
University, you haven't followed proper procedure of any complain and
any
disliking in this regard. My dear friend! if you had whenever or have
any
objection or any complain against raising any issue or procedure of
immoderation even though today also, you should directly send your
email
to Kiran {the moderator} for it.
Take care,
Rakesh Kumar Gupta,
PGT. / LECTURER of political science.
Mob: (91) 9868250258.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on
Patience for what my dear friends!
Everyone knows what is the basic purpose of this group. I did not say
that
there should be voting on the issue!
Realism should not be set aside for winning cheap populism. Let us not
be
eluded and deceived by those who under the garb of intellectualism and
idealism of patience want to robe us of our precious time.
Those who have knowledge about the common law are aware of the fact
that
once the group is moderated by some one if he allows certain issues
to
be
raised which are not in the very objectives of this group and the group
belongs to public domain. he could be held vicariously liable and
could
be
sued in the courts for adequate compensation by any of the member for
damages.
So please bear with our friend Kiran! He is not going to pay some thing
from
his pocket. Law of tort is getting stronger and stronger these days and
courts are very sensitive about the harms caused to some one even
indirectly.
The only remedy I could perceive under the circumstances that this
group
has
expended like anything. Now we could declare this group as unmoderated
and
declare that 'any discussion which is catering to the wellbeing of VCs
could be taken up directly or indirectly and every person who joins
this
group has to act according to his own good conscience. No member is in
any
way liable for the damages caused to him by reading the contents of
this
group.
With lots of love and care to all!
Vip
Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra
Deptt. of Political Science, Sri Aurobindo College,
Delhi University
Mobile: +91993958
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Skype Id. vipin.malhotra
- Original Message -
From: rakesh kumar gupta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on
Hello to all,
Yes Vetri! I agree with you.
Being a member of an intellectual group, we should have some patience
for
remarking on knowledge of anyone of us because expression and open
Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on
That's well said Chetan!! Also it is my humble request to the members: There is a link at the bottom of every message from the group and it takes just a fraction of second to press enter on it and learn the objectives of the group. So much of resistance against raising of VH women's issues clearly exemplifies the fact that Irrespective of our formal degrees, we refuse to be self-critical. Rather we are so desperate to shut our world in the name of technology and so forth. This is precisely what I meant in my previous message when I raised a question regard to the sensitization of VH men on women's issues. - Original Message - From: Chetan Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Hi list, I am not able to understand, why this group can not or should not discuss the sexual harassment of Blind women. If an extended discussion on stray dogs is relevant, if we can discuss reservations and concessions for VIs, and if any other problem faced by Blind and Visually impaired is a part and parcel of this list, why can't we discuss sexual harassment of Blind women? If somebody has joined group to discuss issues pertaining to computers and technology only then i think he/she misjudged the objectives of this group. There has been a persistent argument about the precious time. Please understand Everybody's time is equally important and precious. Do you think when smriti raise this issue, she was free and had no business at all? Is she passing her time by raising such issues? not at all. more over, first one or two lines, even subject can also suggest, what is written in the message. If one does not like something, he or she can easily delete the message. it is nowhere in the group's policy that every member has to read entire message and can not delete the message before reading it completely. With regards, Chetan Sharma - Original Message - From: Divyanshu Ganatra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on With all due respects, I believe this group is ment for discussing technology and computer related issues, and not sexual harassment. Let us not forget what we have joined this group for, and respect everyone's time and space on this forum. Having said that I leave it to the moderators judgement. Regards, Divyanshu -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Subramani L Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 9:53 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on The subject here is how we can help VI girls to safeguard themselves, so the topic can't be irrelevant to the group. Also, we don't merely discuss technology, disability-related issues are therefore allowed for discussion. Subramani -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vetrivel Murugan Adhimoolam Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:41 AM To: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra; accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Hi everyone, I certainly understand the concerns of the member who finds lack of time in going through so many messages. However I would like to request the members to be careful while choosing certain expressions. For example the statement: We should not put our nose in each and every discussion to which we have no idea or have little knowledge to contribute. In my view this is unwarranted since none of us are specialized in all the fields and at the same time it cannot and should not be a barrier in contributing to the group. Believe me or not, my work load here in the US is so much and still I find time to go through the message list and choose which ones to read and which one to ignore based on certain priorities and availability of my time. This is not to show to the group how much hard working I am, but to show that My inconveniences cannot and should not be used as tools to request other members to restrict their participation. Perhaps it would be great if we could receive comments from other members on this. Best Regards, Vetri. - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 9:15 AM Subject: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on Dear Members, I think this group is purpose specific. However, WE have reduced it in to a forum for general discussion. When we started the group there was a specific purpose behind it. There are so many things which could be discussed about the problems of VCs. I think we should have group purpose specific. So that we could be specialized
Re: [AI] Proposal for starting a separate group on
I am putting the things in clear words again! Emphasis added it is not a question of discussing matters pertaining to sexual harassment or some thing else and their relevance for VCs. Question is since we have disowned several members from this list already. Why to just pick and choose. It is a known fact that this group is related to issues arising out of accessibility and otherwise. its not that we are that we are not concerned about these social issues. But again the question is, is it a proper forum to rays such issues? Though our parliament is competant to make laws for whole of the territory of india. But it can not alter the basic structure of our consitution. Likewise, the basic structure of this group here is to discuss issues related to accessibility. Then, a bonafide plaint is: Each member shal follow these guide lines if one is law abiding enough. If you want to flout with existing laws than law would take its own course!! With regards, Vip To unsubscribe send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
