Re: [AFMUG] Trencher

[Jason McKemie]

That would be difficult with a 100sx, I put all my drops in 3/4" HDPE with
my 410sx.

On Tuesday, January 28, 2020, David Coudron 
wrote:

> We use EZ-Trencher.   It works OK for the ethernet runs to the house, but
> as mentioned below, it doesn’t go very deep.   The really nice thing about
> it is that one guy can lift it into the back of a service van, so no need
> for ramps or trailers.   However the wire feed process can be a bit tricky,
> the Cat 6 shielded cable we use can hang up every once and awhile.  One of
> the things we like about it is that we rigged up a wire pickup so that you
> could come back later and trench without having to take ends off the cable
> to feed it through.   The really daring guys don’t even unplug the cable.
> Works pretty good, you just have to be careful.
>
>
>
> From looking at the Lineward (and the Ditch Witch) I am guessing you could
> pull 1” conduit pretty easily for fiber runs to houses.  Anyone using
> either for that?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Timothy Steele
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 28, 2020 7:24 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Trencher
>
>
>
> why not an EZ-Trencher? or are you needing to go deeper than that?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 4:26 AM Steven Kenney 
> wrote:
>
> Looks about the size I was talking about.  Small enough to fit into a work
> van.  But powerful enough to do the job.
>
>
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> *From: *"Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 28, 2020 2:39:23 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Trencher
>
>
>
> I think that is going to vary depending on how much you use it.
>
> We have a Ditch Witch SX100.  Good little machine for 4-6” depth.  We have
> probably only run it 100 hours so far.
> We also have a Ditch Witch 4010DD with the plow attachment.  It has about
> 2000 hours on it and required a bit of work to get it back to good after
> purchase.
>
> Overall, I think they are decent machines for what they do.
>
>
>
> Jim Bouse
> Owner - Brazos WiFi
> 979-985-5912
> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steven Kenney
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 28, 2020 1:13 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Trencher
>
>
>
> We are looking to buy a trencher.  The vibrating type... however from what
> we've been told by many people they require constant maintenance because of
> the vibrations.  Things are always falling apart.
>
>
>
> Has anyone had any good luck with trenchers that are well built and will
> last more than a few years? If so which brand?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] FCC 3.5 GHz Spectrum Auction 105

[Steve Jones]

https://zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_aOHF6vjDT8mEiCTd-U6jHA

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020, 9:24 PM  wrote:

> link?
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 28, 2020 7:40 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FCC 3.5 GHz Spectrum Auction 105
>
> Alpha wireless is putting on a cbrs webinar and cambium will be there,
> hopefully the Q is similar to the cambium even, it's worth signing up for
> it
>
> On Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 7:34 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
>> With the underlying license.
>>
>> There is something weird there though - a few WinnForum presentations
>> have the GPWZ’s expiring by 2023.   I’m guessing that is when the last of
>> the licenses that have GWPZ’s expire even though there are NN licenses that
>> last longer.  I’m guessing none of those later expiration date licenses had
>> registered locations in 2015.   Hum… actually that makes sense - to have a
>> license that expires in 2025 you would have had to get it on or around 2015
>> and would not have had registered locations at that time.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 27, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>> Mark,
>>
>> Do the GPWZ areas expire on April 17th 2020 also?  Or they expire
>> whenever the grandfathered NN license expires?
>>
>> -sean
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 5:01 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Jan 27, 2020, at 2:20 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > <>
>>> >
>>> > In theory you could argue that a grandfathered NN license protects you
>>> from interference from a CBRS operator, but a person better make sure they
>>> don't have any of those "bodies in the trunk" if they try to call the FCC
>>> for help with that. We'd also likely be stuck with old equipment in that
>>> case.  If we use the advantages of the new rules then it's hard to argue
>>> that we should be protected by the old license, and if we're using old
>>> Wimax gear with our old license then we'll be less competitive than someone
>>> with modern electronics, another 100mhz, and 8 or 10 more db in the link
>>> budget.
>>>
>>>
>>> It’s not theory that you will be protected from CBRS interference if you
>>> are in the grandfathered wireless protection zones (GWPZ’s).   The SAS is
>>> REQUIRED to honor the GPWZ and CAN NOT assign a CBSD a frequency between
>>> 3650 and 3700Mhz.   You do not need to contact the FCC if you are getting
>>> interference from a CBSD - you need to contact the SAS the screwed up and
>>> granted the request.
>>>
>>> Note this is a little problematic - you can’t get a 3650-3700 frequency
>>> for a CBSD in a GWPZ even if it’s your own equipment.   There is no current
>>> mechanism in the SAS to say “It’s my GPWZ and I want to change the
>>> equipment I’m using to SAS operation and use the same frequency.   You
>>> would need to unregister the existing 90z equipment and then hope that
>>> someone else doesn’t get the channel.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium POE Splitter

[Ken Hohhof]

Each pair has a different number of twists per inch.  In Cat5 and Cat5e cable I 
observe the green and orange pairs, which are the data pairs, have the tightest 
twists.  I don’t remember if Cat6 is similar.  This leads me to believe the 
blue and brown pairs may have inferior crosstalk performance.  But GigE uses 
all 4 pairs for data, so my theory is probably wrong.  I guess the important 
thing is that none of the pairs have the same number of twists.

 

The reason I mention this is sometimes I see people assert that if you split a 
Cat5 cable into 2 as is being discussed, it will hurt the performance.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 5:24 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium POE Splitter

 

This is actually pretty simple:

 

Split the CAT5 into two, two pairs per radio, put the pairs on the data line.   
At the bottom use a 24V gigabit capable injector which puts the power on the 
data pairs.  We have a couple at PacketFlux, Chuck makes a couple, and there 
are others available.   The goal here is to get the 24V riding the data line 
along with the data.So effectively you have two 10/100 capable links up 
with power on them.

 

At the top, you reverse the process  get a device which will pull the power 
off of the data pairs, probably one of them from Chuck.   (See 800-GigE-PoE as 
an example).   Plug the cable from the bottom in the PoE port, then build 
yourself a cable for the radio which puts the extracted power on 4,5,7,8 and 
the data pins where they belong.

 

You could also use a single midspan Gigabit PoE injector at the bottom with 
power on all 4 pairs, then remove it using a similar one at the top.   Then 
your long CAT5 stays unsplit, and the splitting and PoE mess is all in a single 
cable harness.   To do this you'd take two cat5 cables, and then wire the 
1,2,3,6 pairs from each cable into a single RJ45 (putting one on 1,2,3,6 and 
the other on 4,5,7,8) which gets plugged into the non-PoE side of the 
extractor.   Then the remaining 4,5,7,8 wires you'd connect to the power which 
came out of the PoE extractor at the top. The bottom harness would be 
similar but for simplicity you can just put 24V in the injector and not connect 
4,5,7,8 on either CAT5.   Now I think about this, this is what I'd probably do 
and just use a single 800-GigE-PoE top and bottom.

 

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 9:17 AM Matt mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I have a case where I need to power up two separate Cambium 24 volt
SMs on rooftop but only need 100base to each.  Its very difficult to
run the second wire at this location which I need.  Anyone know of way
to split the cat5 at bottom and top to do this?  Not likely but
thought I would ask.

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Re: [AFMUG] FCC 3.5 GHz Spectrum Auction 105

[chuck]

link?

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 7:40 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC 3.5 GHz Spectrum Auction 105

Alpha wireless is putting on a cbrs webinar and cambium will be there, 
hopefully the Q is similar to the cambium even, it's worth signing up for it

On Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 7:34 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

  With the underlying license.   

  There is something weird there though - a few WinnForum presentations have 
the GPWZ’s expiring by 2023.   I’m guessing that is when the last of the 
licenses that have GWPZ’s expire even though there are NN licenses that last 
longer.  I’m guessing none of those later expiration date licenses had 
registered locations in 2015.   Hum… actually that makes sense - to have a 
license that expires in 2025 you would have had to get it on or around 2015 and 
would not have had registered locations at that time.

  Mark  


On Jan 27, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

Mark,

Do the GPWZ areas expire on April 17th 2020 also?  Or they expire whenever 
the grandfathered NN license expires?

-sean


On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 5:01 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:



  > On Jan 27, 2020, at 2:20 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
  > 
  > <>
  > 
  > In theory you could argue that a grandfathered NN license protects you 
from interference from a CBRS operator, but a person better make sure they 
don't have any of those "bodies in the trunk" if they try to call the FCC for 
help with that. We'd also likely be stuck with old equipment in that case.  If 
we use the advantages of the new rules then it's hard to argue that we should 
be protected by the old license, and if we're using old Wimax gear with our old 
license then we'll be less competitive than someone with modern electronics, 
another 100mhz, and 8 or 10 more db in the link budget.


  It’s not theory that you will be protected from CBRS interference if you 
are in the grandfathered wireless protection zones (GWPZ’s).   The SAS is 
REQUIRED to honor the GPWZ and CAN NOT assign a CBSD a frequency between 3650 
and 3700Mhz.   You do not need to contact the FCC if you are getting 
interference from a CBSD - you need to contact the SAS the screwed up and 
granted the request.

  Note this is a little problematic - you can’t get a 3650-3700 frequency 
for a CBSD in a GWPZ even if it’s your own equipment.   There is no current 
mechanism in the SAS to say “It’s my GPWZ and I want to change the equipment 
I’m using to SAS operation and use the same frequency.   You would need to 
unregister the existing 90z equipment and then hope that someone else doesn’t 
get the channel.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: OTA Antennas again

[chuck]

What kind of bandwidth do you need from the lowest to the highest channel?

I would assume all desired channels are in the UHF band.
Yagi's are great for a channel or three, but they are inherently narrow 
band.


A wide band log perodic will give you the most signal but do you really need 
that much signal?


I recently purchased a dipole in front of a reflector from Home Depot and I 
actually have too much signal.
I am only 5 miles away ( and one mile below) the majority of the 
transmitters, but I have tons of signal.


https://www.homedepot.com/p/RCA-Attic-Outdoor-Compact-Design-HDTV-Antenna-ANT705E/303087505

BTW, I left off the VHF dipole during assembly on purpose.  Very few areas 
have actual VHF tv transmitters any more.


-Original Message- 
From: Nate Burke

Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 7:37 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: OTA Antennas again

I know it's been brought up in the past, but I'm too lazy to go look
through the archives.

What good OTA Antennas are out there now?  Is channel master still the
gold standard?  Looking to mount inside an attic.  35 miles to the
transmitter across water, and through a couple sand dunes and a forest
(NW Indiana across lake Michigan to Chicago)

Looks like there are square and yagi antennas.  The Yagi antennas say
'line of sight'  Does that really mean LOS like we think of LOS, or LOS
as in it has to be aimed at the receiver?

Has to go in the attic because my mom says 'anything that goes on the
roof will leak', but she's ready to dump Comcast because they keep
raising her price and taking away her channels (last straw was them
pulling TCM from her package).  I was at least smart enough to put in a
conduit from the attic to the basement when they built the house.  Yagi
might be hard to aim in the attic.  Would it work just the same on a
post in the yard, or does the extra 15' of height to the attic really help.

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Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net

[Steve Jones]

To clarify that, not getting my customers to hit my servers, I'm talk8ng
about getting other providers customers to hit my servers

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020, 8:45 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> I'm curious, did you happen to try different servers from speedtest.net?
>
> I've been seeing a couple odd things about the automatic selection lately.
>
> I don't know anything about hosting the servers, but is there a mechanism
> similar to SEO that people can implement to get specific target users
> hitting their servers by default?
>
> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020, 8:20 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> You can say and publish 'Up-to' all you want.  All the customer hears is
>> 'guaranteed on my test, no matter what else I'm doing'
>>
>> What I really want is a device that would connect up to the customers
>> electric mains, so they can test that they're really getting their 200A
>> electric service multiple times a day.  Or to test their water service
>> delivery, randomly, hopefully while they're in the shower.
>>
>> On 1/28/2020 8:08 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:
>>
>> If there's no actual issue besides a test showing "I don't get what I pay
>> for", refer them to the up-to explanation for residential service. It
>> should be in everyone's TOS and list the 50+ variables of why a speedtest
>> won't always be perfect or accurate.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020, 8:00 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> You can't win.
>>>
>>> I had to tell one customer we would only troubleshoot speedtest.net or
>>> fast.com results, he was using some automatic speedtest and then
>>> reviewing the report and complaining he wasn't getting what he was paying
>>> for (our traffic graphs and preseem graphs say otherwise).  He was using
>>> something like testmy.net.
>>>
>>> This is a new thing, I'm waiting for speedtests that automatically
>>> complain to the ISP and demand a refund.  Even if everything works fine
>>> including streaming.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 7:37 PM
>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net
>>>
>>> On 1/28/20 17:24, Josh Baird wrote:
>>> > That's great and all, but most users will go to speedtest.net
>>> >  by default.  This is why you should consider
>>> > running your own Ookla server.
>>>
>>>
>>> We dealt with that by having a policy of not supporting speedtest.net
>>> results, and direct them to the test we will support.
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Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net

[Steve Jones]

I'm curious, did you happen to try different servers from speedtest.net?

I've been seeing a couple odd things about the automatic selection lately.

I don't know anything about hosting the servers, but is there a mechanism
similar to SEO that people can implement to get specific target users
hitting their servers by default?

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020, 8:20 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> You can say and publish 'Up-to' all you want.  All the customer hears is
> 'guaranteed on my test, no matter what else I'm doing'
>
> What I really want is a device that would connect up to the customers
> electric mains, so they can test that they're really getting their 200A
> electric service multiple times a day.  Or to test their water service
> delivery, randomly, hopefully while they're in the shower.
>
> On 1/28/2020 8:08 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:
>
> If there's no actual issue besides a test showing "I don't get what I pay
> for", refer them to the up-to explanation for residential service. It
> should be in everyone's TOS and list the 50+ variables of why a speedtest
> won't always be perfect or accurate.
>
> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020, 8:00 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> You can't win.
>>
>> I had to tell one customer we would only troubleshoot speedtest.net or
>> fast.com results, he was using some automatic speedtest and then
>> reviewing the report and complaining he wasn't getting what he was paying
>> for (our traffic graphs and preseem graphs say otherwise).  He was using
>> something like testmy.net.
>>
>> This is a new thing, I'm waiting for speedtests that automatically
>> complain to the ISP and demand a refund.  Even if everything works fine
>> including streaming.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 7:37 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net
>>
>> On 1/28/20 17:24, Josh Baird wrote:
>> > That's great and all, but most users will go to speedtest.net
>> >  by default.  This is why you should consider
>> > running your own Ookla server.
>>
>>
>> We dealt with that by having a policy of not supporting speedtest.net
>> results, and direct them to the test we will support.
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Re: [AFMUG] FCC 3.5 GHz Spectrum Auction 105

[Steve Jones]

Alpha wireless is putting on a cbrs webinar and cambium will be there,
hopefully the Q is similar to the cambium even, it's worth signing up for
it

On Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 7:34 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> With the underlying license.
>
> There is something weird there though - a few WinnForum presentations have
> the GPWZ’s expiring by 2023.   I’m guessing that is when the last of the
> licenses that have GWPZ’s expire even though there are NN licenses that
> last longer.  I’m guessing none of those later expiration date licenses had
> registered locations in 2015.   Hum… actually that makes sense - to have a
> license that expires in 2025 you would have had to get it on or around 2015
> and would not have had registered locations at that time.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Jan 27, 2020, at 8:19 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> Do the GPWZ areas expire on April 17th 2020 also?  Or they expire whenever
> the grandfathered NN license expires?
>
> -sean
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 5:01 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> > On Jan 27, 2020, at 2:20 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>> >
>> > <>
>> >
>> > In theory you could argue that a grandfathered NN license protects you
>> from interference from a CBRS operator, but a person better make sure they
>> don't have any of those "bodies in the trunk" if they try to call the FCC
>> for help with that. We'd also likely be stuck with old equipment in that
>> case.  If we use the advantages of the new rules then it's hard to argue
>> that we should be protected by the old license, and if we're using old
>> Wimax gear with our old license then we'll be less competitive than someone
>> with modern electronics, another 100mhz, and 8 or 10 more db in the link
>> budget.
>>
>>
>> It’s not theory that you will be protected from CBRS interference if you
>> are in the grandfathered wireless protection zones (GWPZ’s).   The SAS is
>> REQUIRED to honor the GPWZ and CAN NOT assign a CBSD a frequency between
>> 3650 and 3700Mhz.   You do not need to contact the FCC if you are getting
>> interference from a CBSD - you need to contact the SAS the screwed up and
>> granted the request.
>>
>> Note this is a little problematic - you can’t get a 3650-3700 frequency
>> for a CBSD in a GWPZ even if it’s your own equipment.   There is no current
>> mechanism in the SAS to say “It’s my GPWZ and I want to change the
>> equipment I’m using to SAS operation and use the same frequency.   You
>> would need to unregister the existing 90z equipment and then hope that
>> someone else doesn’t get the channel.
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Cat5 Water Blocking Dry Tape

[Lewis Bergman]

This is a little off the subject but more to do with water migration.

Decades of working with coaxial cable on towers has taught me that a small
cut out of the jacket at the bottom of a drop loop before entering a
shelter or cabinet goes a long way to preventing water migration into
connectors.

Water is a lot like electricity... Always seeking the path of least
resistance.

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020, 8:06 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> I agree. We've been using the shireen stuff on towers for awhile. If
> there's a bad enough leak, it will eventually make it to the bottom, but
> it's definitely better than nothing.
>
> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020, 4:51 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> We use the Shireen stuff.  I'd rate the dry gel tape as good not great.
>> It's certainly better than the Belden we used to use, which has a
>> cellophane
>> like wrap that seems to guide the water all the way to the RJ45 at the
>> bottom.
>>
>> The tape gets soggy, it doesn't turn into water blocking gel like in a gel
>> filled cable.  I'm not sure how I feel about some soggy tape inside the
>> cable 100 feet up, but I don't think I've experienced drops of water
>> coming
>> out the bottom of any of the Shireen cable.  You absolutely do want to
>> tape
>> or otherwise weatherproof the ends of any spare cables though, or they
>> will
>> absorb water and you'll have to cut off several feet if you ever want to
>> terminate and use them.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 4:16 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Cat5 Water Blocking Dry Tape
>>
>> Has anyone used shielded cat5 up tower with water blocking dry tape?
>> Does it work very well in case of water intrusion?
>>
>> Once in rare while we will get a run with water in it.  I always think
>> when
>> it happens someone did something wrong on install but a real pain when it
>> happens.
>>
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[AFMUG] OT: OTA Antennas again

[Nate Burke]

I know it's been brought up in the past, but I'm too lazy to go look 
through the archives.


What good OTA Antennas are out there now?  Is channel master still the 
gold standard?  Looking to mount inside an attic.  35 miles to the 
transmitter across water, and through a couple sand dunes and a forest 
(NW Indiana across lake Michigan to Chicago)


Looks like there are square and yagi antennas.  The Yagi antennas say 
'line of sight'  Does that really mean LOS like we think of LOS, or LOS 
as in it has to be aimed at the receiver?


Has to go in the attic because my mom says 'anything that goes on the 
roof will leak', but she's ready to dump Comcast because they keep 
raising her price and taking away her channels (last straw was them 
pulling TCM from her package).  I was at least smart enough to put in a 
conduit from the attic to the basement when they built the house.  Yagi 
might be hard to aim in the attic.  Would it work just the same on a 
post in the yard, or does the extra 15' of height to the attic really help.


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Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net

[Nate Burke]

You can say and publish 'Up-to' all you want.  All the customer hears is 
'guaranteed on my test, no matter what else I'm doing'


What I really want is a device that would connect up to the customers 
electric mains, so they can test that they're really getting their 200A 
electric service multiple times a day.  Or to test their water service 
delivery, randomly, hopefully while they're in the shower.


On 1/28/2020 8:08 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:
If there's no actual issue besides a test showing "I don't get what I 
pay for", refer them to the up-to explanation for residential service. 
It should be in everyone's TOS and list the 50+ variables of why a 
speedtest won't always be perfect or accurate.


On Tue, Jan 28, 2020, 8:00 PM Ken Hohhof > wrote:


You can't win.

I had to tell one customer we would only troubleshoot
speedtest.net  or fast.com 
results, he was using some automatic speedtest and then reviewing
the report and complaining he wasn't getting what he was paying
for (our traffic graphs and preseem graphs say otherwise).  He was
using something like testmy.net .

This is a new thing, I'm waiting for speedtests that automatically
complain to the ISP and demand a refund.  Even if everything works
fine including streaming.


-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 7:37 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net

On 1/28/20 17:24, Josh Baird wrote:
> That's great and all, but most users will go to speedtest.net

>  by default.  This is why you should consider
> running your own Ookla server.


We dealt with that by having a policy of not supporting
speedtest.net  results, and direct them to
the test we will support.

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Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net

[Darin Steffl]

If there's no actual issue besides a test showing "I don't get what I pay
for", refer them to the up-to explanation for residential service. It
should be in everyone's TOS and list the 50+ variables of why a speedtest
won't always be perfect or accurate.

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020, 8:00 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> You can't win.
>
> I had to tell one customer we would only troubleshoot speedtest.net or
> fast.com results, he was using some automatic speedtest and then
> reviewing the report and complaining he wasn't getting what he was paying
> for (our traffic graphs and preseem graphs say otherwise).  He was using
> something like testmy.net.
>
> This is a new thing, I'm waiting for speedtests that automatically
> complain to the ISP and demand a refund.  Even if everything works fine
> including streaming.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 7:37 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net
>
> On 1/28/20 17:24, Josh Baird wrote:
> > That's great and all, but most users will go to speedtest.net
> >  by default.  This is why you should consider
> > running your own Ookla server.
>
>
> We dealt with that by having a policy of not supporting speedtest.net
> results, and direct them to the test we will support.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Cat5 Water Blocking Dry Tape

[Mathew Howard]

I agree. We've been using the shireen stuff on towers for awhile. If
there's a bad enough leak, it will eventually make it to the bottom, but
it's definitely better than nothing.

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020, 4:51 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> We use the Shireen stuff.  I'd rate the dry gel tape as good not great.
> It's certainly better than the Belden we used to use, which has a
> cellophane
> like wrap that seems to guide the water all the way to the RJ45 at the
> bottom.
>
> The tape gets soggy, it doesn't turn into water blocking gel like in a gel
> filled cable.  I'm not sure how I feel about some soggy tape inside the
> cable 100 feet up, but I don't think I've experienced drops of water coming
> out the bottom of any of the Shireen cable.  You absolutely do want to tape
> or otherwise weatherproof the ends of any spare cables though, or they will
> absorb water and you'll have to cut off several feet if you ever want to
> terminate and use them.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 4:16 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Cat5 Water Blocking Dry Tape
>
> Has anyone used shielded cat5 up tower with water blocking dry tape?
> Does it work very well in case of water intrusion?
>
> Once in rare while we will get a run with water in it.  I always think when
> it happens someone did something wrong on install but a real pain when it
> happens.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Trencher

[David Coudron]

We use EZ-Trencher.   It works OK for the ethernet runs to the house, but as 
mentioned below, it doesn’t go very deep.   The really nice thing about it is 
that one guy can lift it into the back of a service van, so no need for ramps 
or trailers.   However the wire feed process can be a bit tricky, the Cat 6 
shielded cable we use can hang up every once and awhile.  One of the things we 
like about it is that we rigged up a wire pickup so that you could come back 
later and trench without having to take ends off the cable to feed it through.  
 The really daring guys don’t even unplug the cable.   Works pretty good, you 
just have to be careful.

From looking at the Lineward (and the Ditch Witch) I am guessing you could pull 
1” conduit pretty easily for fiber runs to houses.  Anyone using either for 
that?

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Timothy Steele
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 7:24 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trencher

why not an EZ-Trencher? or are you needing to go deeper than that?

On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 4:26 AM Steven Kenney 
mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>> wrote:
Looks about the size I was talking about.  Small enough to fit into a work van. 
 But powerful enough to do the job.

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From: "Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]" 
mailto:j...@brazoswifi.com>>
To: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 2:39:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trencher

I think that is going to vary depending on how much you use it.
We have a Ditch Witch SX100.  Good little machine for 4-6” depth.  We have 
probably only run it 100 hours so far.
We also have a Ditch Witch 4010DD with the plow attachment.  It has about 2000 
hours on it and required a bit of work to get it back to good after purchase.

Overall, I think they are decent machines for what they do.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
http://www.brazoswifi.com

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steven Kenney
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 1:13 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Trencher

We are looking to buy a trencher.  The vibrating type... however from what 
we've been told by many people they require constant maintenance because of the 
vibrations.  Things are always falling apart.

Has anyone had any good luck with trenchers that are well built and will last 
more than a few years? If so which brand?

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Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net

[Ken Hohhof]

You can't win.

I had to tell one customer we would only troubleshoot speedtest.net or fast.com 
results, he was using some automatic speedtest and then reviewing the report 
and complaining he wasn't getting what he was paying for (our traffic graphs 
and preseem graphs say otherwise).  He was using something like testmy.net.

This is a new thing, I'm waiting for speedtests that automatically complain to 
the ISP and demand a refund.  Even if everything works fine including streaming.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 7:37 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net

On 1/28/20 17:24, Josh Baird wrote:
> That's great and all, but most users will go to speedtest.net 
>  by default.  This is why you should consider 
> running your own Ookla server.


We dealt with that by having a policy of not supporting speedtest.net results, 
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Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net

[Darin Steffl]

Our results on speedtest.net are always right on the money when we manually
select a preferred server that we peer with. The auto select is hit or miss
so we specify only one server we support.

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020, 7:50 PM Josh Baird  wrote:

> No, I mean running your own speedtest.net server (not mini).  Are you
> sure it was underperforming because of your uplinks and not the hardware
> you were hosting your server on?
>
> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 8:30 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> It was just around 4, and I was hardwired into a Tik, so maybe it's not
>> related to WIFI.  Multiple servers had the same results.
>>
>> Yes, We used to have our own ookla server, but since we only have
>> multiple 1g uplinks, not 10g, speedtest.net told us to go fly a kite,
>> and de-listed our server because it was 'underperforming'  I tried
>> working with them, but it would take about 2 weeks to get a response on
>> any ticket comment, so we decided it wasn't worth it that was a couple
>> years ago.
>>
>> Or do you mean like a speedtest MINI server?  Used to have one of those
>> too, but wasn't there some some file that needed to be updated every 37
>> days or something?  I'd always forget to do it.
>>
>> On 1/28/2020 7:17 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> > When you say "plugged in", apparently this time it had nothing to do
>> with
>> > WiFi or 2.4 GHz?
>> >
>> > Was it just random speeds in the neighborhood of 4 Mbps, or acting like
>> > there really was something limiting it to 4 Mbps?
>> >
>> > And was this the case with multiple speedtest.net servers?  I believe
>> the
>> > selection has become a lot smaller now that they only show servers that
>> > implement "secure testing".  I used to mostly use Comcast Chicago
>> because I
>> > got consistent results, but it has not been on the list for a few
>> months at
>> > least.  Do you remember what server you were using?  I'm guessing you
>> tried
>> > several.
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 7:00 PM
>> > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net
>> >
>> > Still taking calls this week.  I went to a customer yesterday that was
>> > complaining of slow speeds.  Plugged my laptop in, speedtest.net ran
>> only at
>> > 4mb/s  Speed.ui.com ran 20mb.  HD Youtube videos ran at full 20mb/s
>> It's
>> > getting really annoying that there isn't a problem, but customers think
>> > there is just because a website says so.  If only we could somehow
>> charge
>> > speedtest.net for the time that we're having to spend because of what
>> > they're telling customers.
>> >
>> > On 1/26/2020 2:41 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>> >> I'm not aware of any issue like this here.
>> >>
>> >> If there was a general issue like that I'd wonder if it tracks with a
>> >> certain class of device and therefore maybe a software update.  If it
>> >> was across multiple devices, I'd assume something changed at
>> >> speedtest.net, or at the speedtest.net server nearest your customers.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 1/25/2020 11:58 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> >>> Just looked back through the call logs.
>> >>>
>> >>> This one customer I was dealing with today reported "3 megabits". I
>> >>> had him go to speed.ui.com and he reports 10 and 2 (his plan).
>> >>>
>> >>> On 1/25/20 11:52 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
>>  I've been taking calls this week across the spectrum.  Warehouse
>>  WIFI With multiple controlled AP's to country house in the middle of
>>  a field.  Always 4mb on the download.
>> 
>>  On 1/25/2020 10:48 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> > Also customers installing range extenders aka "boosters" which
>> > often make things worse not better. Not sure why there would be an
>> > epidemic of this all of a sudden though.
>> >
>> > If this is a subdivision/apartment/townhome not rural, is the cable
>> > company rolling out new WiFi modem/routers or is there a new fiber
>> > company in the area?
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>> > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 10:29 AM
>> > To: af@af.afmug.com
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net
>> >
>> > I would look at local interference. It's not unusual for there to
>> > be 6 or more WiFi access points visible; often (usually?) on the
>> > same channel.
>> >
>> >
>> > bp
>> > 
>> >
>> > On 1/25/2020 7:27 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
>> >> It seems I've had a slew of calls this week of people who are only
>> >> getting 4mb on downloads on speedtest.net, uploads are normal. The
>> >> only thing in common is that they are on a WIFI device. If they
>> >> are Hardwired, everything seems fine, I can't find any network
>> issues.
>> >> Tik
>> >> BW Tests are always fine. Where I can see their in House WIFI,
>> >> signal/modulation looks ok. It's always 4mb on the download. I 

Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net

[Nate Burke]

When I would test to my server in the NOC, with speedtest.net, I would 
regularly get about 980mb.  I think since it couldn't give more than a 
1G result for all the people testing with their 1G Comcast connections, 
they didn't want it.  They also changed the reporting, so we couldn't 
see details of the tests anymore, just vague statistics.  Maybe that's 
changed back now.


On 1/28/2020 7:49 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
No, I mean running your own speedtest.net  
server (not mini).  Are you sure it was underperforming because of 
your uplinks and not the hardware you were hosting your server on?


On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 8:30 PM Nate Burke > wrote:


It was just around 4, and I was hardwired into a Tik, so maybe
it's not
related to WIFI.  Multiple servers had the same results.

Yes, We used to have our own ookla server, but since we only have
multiple 1g uplinks, not 10g, speedtest.net 
told us to go fly a kite,
and de-listed our server because it was 'underperforming'  I tried
working with them, but it would take about 2 weeks to get a
response on
any ticket comment, so we decided it wasn't worth it that was a
couple
years ago.

Or do you mean like a speedtest MINI server?  Used to have one of
those
too, but wasn't there some some file that needed to be updated
every 37
days or something?  I'd always forget to do it.

On 1/28/2020 7:17 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> When you say "plugged in", apparently this time it had nothing
to do with
> WiFi or 2.4 GHz?
>
> Was it just random speeds in the neighborhood of 4 Mbps, or
acting like
> there really was something limiting it to 4 Mbps?
>
> And was this the case with multiple speedtest.net
 servers? I believe the
> selection has become a lot smaller now that they only show
servers that
> implement "secure testing".  I used to mostly use Comcast
Chicago because I
> got consistent results, but it has not been on the list for a
few months at
> least.  Do you remember what server you were using?  I'm
guessing you tried
> several.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 7:00 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net
>
> Still taking calls this week.  I went to a customer yesterday
that was
> complaining of slow speeds.  Plugged my laptop in, speedtest.net
 ran only at
> 4mb/s Speed.ui.com  ran 20mb.  HD Youtube
videos ran at full 20mb/s  It's
> getting really annoying that there isn't a problem, but
customers think
> there is just because a website says so.  If only we could
somehow charge
> speedtest.net  for the time that we're
having to spend because of what
> they're telling customers.
>
> On 1/26/2020 2:41 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>> I'm not aware of any issue like this here.
>>
>> If there was a general issue like that I'd wonder if it tracks
with a
>> certain class of device and therefore maybe a software update. 
If it

>> was across multiple devices, I'd assume something changed at
>> speedtest.net , or at the speedtest.net
 server nearest your customers.
>>
>>
>> On 1/25/2020 11:58 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>> Just looked back through the call logs.
>>>
>>> This one customer I was dealing with today reported "3
megabits". I
>>> had him go to speed.ui.com  and he
reports 10 and 2 (his plan).
>>>
>>> On 1/25/20 11:52 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
 I've been taking calls this week across the spectrum.  Warehouse
 WIFI With multiple controlled AP's to country house in the
middle of
 a field.  Always 4mb on the download.

 On 1/25/2020 10:48 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Also customers installing range extenders aka "boosters" which
> often make things worse not better. Not sure why there would
be an
> epidemic of this all of a sudden though.
>
> If this is a subdivision/apartment/townhome not rural, is
the cable
> company rolling out new WiFi modem/routers or is there a new
fiber
> company in the area?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 10:29 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net
>
> I would look at local interference. It's not unusual for

Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net

[Josh Baird]

No, I mean running your own speedtest.net server (not mini).  Are you sure
it was underperforming because of your uplinks and not the hardware you
were hosting your server on?

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 8:30 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> It was just around 4, and I was hardwired into a Tik, so maybe it's not
> related to WIFI.  Multiple servers had the same results.
>
> Yes, We used to have our own ookla server, but since we only have
> multiple 1g uplinks, not 10g, speedtest.net told us to go fly a kite,
> and de-listed our server because it was 'underperforming'  I tried
> working with them, but it would take about 2 weeks to get a response on
> any ticket comment, so we decided it wasn't worth it that was a couple
> years ago.
>
> Or do you mean like a speedtest MINI server?  Used to have one of those
> too, but wasn't there some some file that needed to be updated every 37
> days or something?  I'd always forget to do it.
>
> On 1/28/2020 7:17 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> > When you say "plugged in", apparently this time it had nothing to do with
> > WiFi or 2.4 GHz?
> >
> > Was it just random speeds in the neighborhood of 4 Mbps, or acting like
> > there really was something limiting it to 4 Mbps?
> >
> > And was this the case with multiple speedtest.net servers?  I believe
> the
> > selection has become a lot smaller now that they only show servers that
> > implement "secure testing".  I used to mostly use Comcast Chicago
> because I
> > got consistent results, but it has not been on the list for a few months
> at
> > least.  Do you remember what server you were using?  I'm guessing you
> tried
> > several.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 7:00 PM
> > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net
> >
> > Still taking calls this week.  I went to a customer yesterday that was
> > complaining of slow speeds.  Plugged my laptop in, speedtest.net ran
> only at
> > 4mb/s  Speed.ui.com ran 20mb.  HD Youtube videos ran at full 20mb/s
> It's
> > getting really annoying that there isn't a problem, but customers think
> > there is just because a website says so.  If only we could somehow charge
> > speedtest.net for the time that we're having to spend because of what
> > they're telling customers.
> >
> > On 1/26/2020 2:41 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> >> I'm not aware of any issue like this here.
> >>
> >> If there was a general issue like that I'd wonder if it tracks with a
> >> certain class of device and therefore maybe a software update.  If it
> >> was across multiple devices, I'd assume something changed at
> >> speedtest.net, or at the speedtest.net server nearest your customers.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 1/25/2020 11:58 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> >>> Just looked back through the call logs.
> >>>
> >>> This one customer I was dealing with today reported "3 megabits". I
> >>> had him go to speed.ui.com and he reports 10 and 2 (his plan).
> >>>
> >>> On 1/25/20 11:52 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
>  I've been taking calls this week across the spectrum.  Warehouse
>  WIFI With multiple controlled AP's to country house in the middle of
>  a field.  Always 4mb on the download.
> 
>  On 1/25/2020 10:48 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> > Also customers installing range extenders aka "boosters" which
> > often make things worse not better. Not sure why there would be an
> > epidemic of this all of a sudden though.
> >
> > If this is a subdivision/apartment/townhome not rural, is the cable
> > company rolling out new WiFi modem/routers or is there a new fiber
> > company in the area?
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 10:29 AM
> > To: af@af.afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net
> >
> > I would look at local interference. It's not unusual for there to
> > be 6 or more WiFi access points visible; often (usually?) on the
> > same channel.
> >
> >
> > bp
> > 
> >
> > On 1/25/2020 7:27 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> >> It seems I've had a slew of calls this week of people who are only
> >> getting 4mb on downloads on speedtest.net, uploads are normal. The
> >> only thing in common is that they are on a WIFI device. If they
> >> are Hardwired, everything seems fine, I can't find any network
> issues.
> >> Tik
> >> BW Tests are always fine. Where I can see their in House WIFI,
> >> signal/modulation looks ok. It's always 4mb on the download. I can
> >> watch the traffic graph, and it just flatlines at 4mb with no
> >> other latency or packetloss.
> >>
> >> Anyone else seen something similar?
> >>
> 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net

[Chuck McCown]

+1

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 28, 2020, at 6:25 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:
> 
> 
> That's great and all, but most users will go to speedtest.net by default.  
> This is why you should consider running your own Ookla server.
> 
>> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 8:20 PM Matt  wrote:
>> > Have you considered running your own on-net speedtest.net server?  It's 
>> > dead simple.
>> >
>> 
>> Better yet.
>> https://github.com/librespeed/speedtest
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Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net

[Seth Mattinen]

On 1/28/20 17:24, Josh Baird wrote:
That's great and all, but most users will go to speedtest.net 
 by default.  This is why you should consider 
running your own Ookla server.



We dealt with that by having a policy of not supporting speedtest.net 
results, and direct them to the test we will support.


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Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net

[Nate Burke]

It was just around 4, and I was hardwired into a Tik, so maybe it's not 
related to WIFI.  Multiple servers had the same results.


Yes, We used to have our own ookla server, but since we only have 
multiple 1g uplinks, not 10g, speedtest.net told us to go fly a kite, 
and de-listed our server because it was 'underperforming'  I tried 
working with them, but it would take about 2 weeks to get a response on 
any ticket comment, so we decided it wasn't worth it that was a couple 
years ago.


Or do you mean like a speedtest MINI server?  Used to have one of those 
too, but wasn't there some some file that needed to be updated every 37 
days or something?  I'd always forget to do it.


On 1/28/2020 7:17 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

When you say "plugged in", apparently this time it had nothing to do with
WiFi or 2.4 GHz?

Was it just random speeds in the neighborhood of 4 Mbps, or acting like
there really was something limiting it to 4 Mbps?

And was this the case with multiple speedtest.net servers?  I believe the
selection has become a lot smaller now that they only show servers that
implement "secure testing".  I used to mostly use Comcast Chicago because I
got consistent results, but it has not been on the list for a few months at
least.  Do you remember what server you were using?  I'm guessing you tried
several.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 7:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net

Still taking calls this week.  I went to a customer yesterday that was
complaining of slow speeds.  Plugged my laptop in, speedtest.net ran only at
4mb/s  Speed.ui.com ran 20mb.  HD Youtube videos ran at full 20mb/s  It's
getting really annoying that there isn't a problem, but customers think
there is just because a website says so.  If only we could somehow charge
speedtest.net for the time that we're having to spend because of what
they're telling customers.

On 1/26/2020 2:41 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

I'm not aware of any issue like this here.

If there was a general issue like that I'd wonder if it tracks with a
certain class of device and therefore maybe a software update.  If it
was across multiple devices, I'd assume something changed at
speedtest.net, or at the speedtest.net server nearest your customers.


On 1/25/2020 11:58 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

Just looked back through the call logs.

This one customer I was dealing with today reported "3 megabits". I
had him go to speed.ui.com and he reports 10 and 2 (his plan).

On 1/25/20 11:52 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

I've been taking calls this week across the spectrum.  Warehouse
WIFI With multiple controlled AP's to country house in the middle of
a field.  Always 4mb on the download.

On 1/25/2020 10:48 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Also customers installing range extenders aka "boosters" which
often make things worse not better. Not sure why there would be an
epidemic of this all of a sudden though.

If this is a subdivision/apartment/townhome not rural, is the cable
company rolling out new WiFi modem/routers or is there a new fiber
company in the area?


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 10:29 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net

I would look at local interference. It's not unusual for there to
be 6 or more WiFi access points visible; often (usually?) on the
same channel.


bp


On 1/25/2020 7:27 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

It seems I've had a slew of calls this week of people who are only
getting 4mb on downloads on speedtest.net, uploads are normal. The
only thing in common is that they are on a WIFI device. If they
are Hardwired, everything seems fine, I can't find any network issues.
Tik
BW Tests are always fine. Where I can see their in House WIFI,
signal/modulation looks ok. It's always 4mb on the download. I can
watch the traffic graph, and it just flatlines at 4mb with no
other latency or packetloss.

Anyone else seen something similar?






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Re: [AFMUG] Trencher

[Timothy Steele]

why not an EZ-Trencher? or are you needing to go deeper than that?

On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 4:26 AM Steven Kenney  wrote:

> Looks about the size I was talking about.  Small enough to fit into a work
> van.  But powerful enough to do the job.
>
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> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 28, 2020 2:39:23 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Trencher
>
> I think that is going to vary depending on how much you use it.
>
> We have a Ditch Witch SX100.  Good little machine for 4-6” depth.  We have
> probably only run it 100 hours so far.
> We also have a Ditch Witch 4010DD with the plow attachment.  It has about
> 2000 hours on it and required a bit of work to get it back to good after
> purchase.
>
> Overall, I think they are decent machines for what they do.
>
>
>
> Jim Bouse
> Owner - Brazos WiFi
> 979-985-5912
> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Steven Kenney
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 28, 2020 1:13 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Trencher
>
>
>
> We are looking to buy a trencher.  The vibrating type... however from what
> we've been told by many people they require constant maintenance because of
> the vibrations.  Things are always falling apart.
>
>
>
> Has anyone had any good luck with trenchers that are well built and will
> last more than a few years? If so which brand?
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net

[Josh Baird]

That's great and all, but most users will go to speedtest.net by default.
This is why you should consider running your own Ookla server.

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 8:20 PM Matt  wrote:

> > Have you considered running your own on-net speedtest.net server?  It's
> dead simple.
> >
>
> Better yet.
> https://github.com/librespeed/speedtest
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Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net

[Matt]

> Have you considered running your own on-net speedtest.net server?  It's dead 
> simple.
>

Better yet.
https://github.com/librespeed/speedtest

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Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net

[Ken Hohhof]

When you say "plugged in", apparently this time it had nothing to do with
WiFi or 2.4 GHz?

Was it just random speeds in the neighborhood of 4 Mbps, or acting like
there really was something limiting it to 4 Mbps?

And was this the case with multiple speedtest.net servers?  I believe the
selection has become a lot smaller now that they only show servers that
implement "secure testing".  I used to mostly use Comcast Chicago because I
got consistent results, but it has not been on the list for a few months at
least.  Do you remember what server you were using?  I'm guessing you tried
several.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 7:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net

Still taking calls this week.  I went to a customer yesterday that was
complaining of slow speeds.  Plugged my laptop in, speedtest.net ran only at
4mb/s  Speed.ui.com ran 20mb.  HD Youtube videos ran at full 20mb/s  It's
getting really annoying that there isn't a problem, but customers think
there is just because a website says so.  If only we could somehow charge
speedtest.net for the time that we're having to spend because of what
they're telling customers.

On 1/26/2020 2:41 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> I'm not aware of any issue like this here.
>
> If there was a general issue like that I'd wonder if it tracks with a 
> certain class of device and therefore maybe a software update.  If it 
> was across multiple devices, I'd assume something changed at 
> speedtest.net, or at the speedtest.net server nearest your customers.
>
>
> On 1/25/2020 11:58 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> Just looked back through the call logs.
>>
>> This one customer I was dealing with today reported "3 megabits". I 
>> had him go to speed.ui.com and he reports 10 and 2 (his plan).
>>
>> On 1/25/20 11:52 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
>>> I've been taking calls this week across the spectrum.  Warehouse 
>>> WIFI With multiple controlled AP's to country house in the middle of 
>>> a field.  Always 4mb on the download.
>>>
>>> On 1/25/2020 10:48 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
 Also customers installing range extenders aka "boosters" which 
 often make things worse not better. Not sure why there would be an 
 epidemic of this all of a sudden though.

 If this is a subdivision/apartment/townhome not rural, is the cable 
 company rolling out new WiFi modem/routers or is there a new fiber 
 company in the area?


 -Original Message-
 From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
 Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 10:29 AM
 To: af@af.afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net

 I would look at local interference. It's not unusual for there to 
 be 6 or more WiFi access points visible; often (usually?) on the 
 same channel.


 bp
 

 On 1/25/2020 7:27 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> It seems I've had a slew of calls this week of people who are only 
> getting 4mb on downloads on speedtest.net, uploads are normal. The 
> only thing in common is that they are on a WIFI device. If they 
> are Hardwired, everything seems fine, I can't find any network issues.
> Tik
> BW Tests are always fine. Where I can see their in House WIFI, 
> signal/modulation looks ok. It's always 4mb on the download. I can 
> watch the traffic graph, and it just flatlines at 4mb with no 
> other latency or packetloss.
>
> Anyone else seen something similar?
>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net

[Josh Baird]

Have you considered running your own on-net speedtest.net server?  It's
dead simple.

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 8:00 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> Still taking calls this week.  I went to a customer yesterday that was
> complaining of slow speeds.  Plugged my laptop in, speedtest.net ran
> only at 4mb/s  Speed.ui.com ran 20mb.  HD Youtube videos ran at full
> 20mb/s  It's getting really annoying that there isn't a problem, but
> customers think there is just because a website says so.  If only we
> could somehow charge speedtest.net for the time that we're having to
> spend because of what they're telling customers.
>
> On 1/26/2020 2:41 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> > I'm not aware of any issue like this here.
> >
> > If there was a general issue like that I'd wonder if it tracks with a
> > certain class of device and therefore maybe a software update.  If it
> > was across multiple devices, I'd assume something changed at
> > speedtest.net, or at the speedtest.net server nearest your customers.
> >
> >
> > On 1/25/2020 11:58 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> >> Just looked back through the call logs.
> >>
> >> This one customer I was dealing with today reported "3 megabits". I
> >> had him go to speed.ui.com and he reports 10 and 2 (his plan).
> >>
> >> On 1/25/20 11:52 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> >>> I've been taking calls this week across the spectrum.  Warehouse
> >>> WIFI With multiple controlled AP's to country house in the middle of
> >>> a field.  Always 4mb on the download.
> >>>
> >>> On 1/25/2020 10:48 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>  Also customers installing range extenders aka "boosters" which
>  often make things worse not better. Not sure why there would be an
>  epidemic of this all of a sudden though.
> 
>  If this is a subdivision/apartment/townhome not rural, is the cable
>  company rolling out new WiFi modem/routers or is there a new fiber
>  company in the area?
> 
> 
>  -Original Message-
>  From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>  Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 10:29 AM
>  To: af@af.afmug.com
>  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net
> 
>  I would look at local interference. It's not unusual for there to
>  be 6 or more WiFi access points visible; often (usually?) on the
>  same channel.
> 
> 
>  bp
>  
> 
>  On 1/25/2020 7:27 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> > It seems I've had a slew of calls this week of people who are only
> > getting 4mb on downloads on speedtest.net, uploads are normal. The
> > only thing in common is that they are on a WIFI device. If they are
> > Hardwired, everything seems fine, I can't find any network issues.
> > Tik
> > BW Tests are always fine. Where I can see their in House WIFI,
> > signal/modulation looks ok. It's always 4mb on the download. I can
> > watch the traffic graph, and it just flatlines at 4mb with no other
> > latency or packetloss.
> >
> > Anyone else seen something similar?
> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
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Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net

[Sterling Jacobson]

Hmmm, no speedtest server is actually from Ookla, it's someone hosting it on 
their network on their own host machine.

I wonder if you went to a different speedtest host if it would be "normal" 
speeds?

It's possible, even easy, for a speedtest server provider to set up a simple 
queue structure to limit speed test results per IP domain if they wanted.
Whoever's server that is could have a rule set up to limit your network, lol!

We run our own speedtest Ookla server on some older bare metal HP 1U server on 
10Gbps interface.
It does over 9Gbps easy from my home computer on 10Gbps connection.

Of course it sits on our own network/public IP so all of our customer default 
to it when testing.

I also have customers use the Ookla speedtest App on Windows/Mac/iPhone/Andriod 
instead of a browser.
Their app does a much shorter test usually and is more accurate/performant than 
all browsers I've tested so far.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 6:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net

Still taking calls this week.  I went to a customer yesterday that was 
complaining of slow speeds.  Plugged my laptop in, speedtest.net ran only at 
4mb/s  Speed.ui.com ran 20mb.  HD Youtube videos ran at full 20mb/s  It's 
getting really annoying that there isn't a problem, but customers think there 
is just because a website says so.  If only we could somehow charge 
speedtest.net for the time that we're having to spend because of what they're 
telling customers.

On 1/26/2020 2:41 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> I'm not aware of any issue like this here.
>
> If there was a general issue like that I'd wonder if it tracks with a 
> certain class of device and therefore maybe a software update.  If it 
> was across multiple devices, I'd assume something changed at 
> speedtest.net, or at the speedtest.net server nearest your customers.
>
>
> On 1/25/2020 11:58 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> Just looked back through the call logs.
>>
>> This one customer I was dealing with today reported "3 megabits". I 
>> had him go to speed.ui.com and he reports 10 and 2 (his plan).
>>
>> On 1/25/20 11:52 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
>>> I've been taking calls this week across the spectrum.  Warehouse 
>>> WIFI With multiple controlled AP's to country house in the middle of 
>>> a field.  Always 4mb on the download.
>>>
>>> On 1/25/2020 10:48 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
 Also customers installing range extenders aka "boosters" which 
 often make things worse not better. Not sure why there would be an 
 epidemic of this all of a sudden though.

 If this is a subdivision/apartment/townhome not rural, is the cable 
 company rolling out new WiFi modem/routers or is there a new fiber 
 company in the area?


 -Original Message-
 From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
 Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 10:29 AM
 To: af@af.afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net

 I would look at local interference. It's not unusual for there to 
 be 6 or more WiFi access points visible; often (usually?) on the 
 same channel.


 bp
 

 On 1/25/2020 7:27 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> It seems I've had a slew of calls this week of people who are only 
> getting 4mb on downloads on speedtest.net, uploads are normal. The 
> only thing in common is that they are on a WIFI device. If they 
> are Hardwired, everything seems fine, I can't find any network issues.
> Tik
> BW Tests are always fine. Where I can see their in House WIFI, 
> signal/modulation looks ok. It's always 4mb on the download. I can 
> watch the traffic graph, and it just flatlines at 4mb with no 
> other latency or packetloss.
>
> Anyone else seen something similar?
>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>


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Re: [AFMUG] RackMount Devices - Handles or No Handles

[Ken Hohhof]

New stuff I try to use M6, but I have lots of telco racks and telco stuff is 
all 12-24 (probably even to this day).

 

I’m sure there’s some 10-32 and M5 screws around also, but being an old telco 
industry guy, I consider those too wimpy.  I guess I accept the 10-32 stuff as 
legacy IT rack standard just like 12-24 is legacy telco rack standard.  
Anything I do metric is new, so M5 just doesn’t make sense.  Luckily most new 
stuff has the square holes so I just need a bag of M6 cage nuts.  Now if I 
could just find my tool for inserting and extracting cage nuts.

 

What I hate is stripping the threads in an old rack because I think it’s one 
size and it’s another.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 6:18 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RackMount Devices - Handles or No Handles

 

ug… no wonder this ends up aggravating me on a regular basis.  I think we 
settled on 12-24 for the majority of the equipment we have.

 

Mark





On Jan 28, 2020, at 6:06 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > wrote:

 

There are actually four standards:

 



 

Even better, the *two* active standards (IEC_60927-3-100 and IEA/ECA-310) each 
have a preferred thread sizes.   The IEC standard prefers M6x1, and the IEA/ECA 
standard prefers M5.

 

I'm assuming that you're talking about either a M5 or a M6 screw, not a 
non-metric 10-32 or 12-24.

 

 

 

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 8:53 AM Mark Radabaugh mailto:m...@amplex.net> > wrote:

Not a big concern for us.   If you get rid of the handles please leave a tapped 
hole in the center of the 1U bracket that matches the common rack screw (there 
are two standards - pick one) to use as a jack screw if the unit is being 
stubborn coming out of the rack.

 

Mark





On Jan 28, 2020, at 9:13 AM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

 

I can live without handles.

 

Not really a big deal unless it’s a super long, heavy server, and those 
typically go in 4 post racks or cabinets anyway with rear access.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Jason Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 1:24 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RackMount Devices - Handles or No Handles

 

Make keyholes for handles?  If you happen to need them slide them on. 
Removeable. Keep 1 set in the go bag. 

 

On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 10:09 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > wrote:

I'm wondering if anyone has strong opinions about handles on rackmount devices.

 

I'm in the process of switching the enclosure manufacturer on the RackInjector 
and in the process making some design changes that should make things better 
for both us and our customers.  I don't want to share too much just in case 
this doesn't work out - and no, this isn't a change to hot-swappable cards.

 

With the design we're working on, the handles we have on the front of the 
existing enclosure aren't very easy to implement in the new design.   So I'm 
thinking about just dropping them to save the hassle/pain/shipping 
issues/cost/etc/etc/etc.

 

My personal experience has been that although handles on enclosures are nice 
when removing a device from a rack, they are by no means necessary.   On 
occasion, I've also had handles become a liability instead of a help.   But on 
the other hand, when a device gets stuck in a rack (typically due to 
neighboring devices), it is nice to have them to add leverage when removing the 
enclosure.

 

I'm wondering what everyone else's thoughts on this are...

 

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Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net

[Nate Burke]

Still taking calls this week.  I went to a customer yesterday that was 
complaining of slow speeds.  Plugged my laptop in, speedtest.net ran 
only at 4mb/s  Speed.ui.com ran 20mb.  HD Youtube videos ran at full 
20mb/s  It's getting really annoying that there isn't a problem, but 
customers think there is just because a website says so.  If only we 
could somehow charge speedtest.net for the time that we're having to 
spend because of what they're telling customers.


On 1/26/2020 2:41 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

I'm not aware of any issue like this here.

If there was a general issue like that I'd wonder if it tracks with a 
certain class of device and therefore maybe a software update.  If it 
was across multiple devices, I'd assume something changed at 
speedtest.net, or at the speedtest.net server nearest your customers.



On 1/25/2020 11:58 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

Just looked back through the call logs.

This one customer I was dealing with today reported "3 megabits". I 
had him go to speed.ui.com and he reports 10 and 2 (his plan).


On 1/25/20 11:52 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
I've been taking calls this week across the spectrum.  Warehouse 
WIFI With multiple controlled AP's to country house in the middle of 
a field.  Always 4mb on the download.


On 1/25/2020 10:48 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Also customers installing range extenders aka "boosters" which 
often make things worse not better. Not sure why there would be an 
epidemic of this all of a sudden though.


If this is a subdivision/apartment/townhome not rural, is the cable 
company rolling out new WiFi modem/routers or is there a new fiber 
company in the area?



-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2020 10:29 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WIFI and 4mb Speedtest.net

I would look at local interference. It's not unusual for there to 
be 6 or more WiFi access points visible; often (usually?) on the 
same channel.



bp


On 1/25/2020 7:27 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

It seems I've had a slew of calls this week of people who are only
getting 4mb on downloads on speedtest.net, uploads are normal. The
only thing in common is that they are on a WIFI device. If they are
Hardwired, everything seems fine, I can't find any network issues. 
Tik

BW Tests are always fine. Where I can see their in House WIFI,
signal/modulation looks ok. It's always 4mb on the download. I can
watch the traffic graph, and it just flatlines at 4mb with no other
latency or packetloss.

Anyone else seen something similar?












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Re: [AFMUG] RackMount Devices - Handles or No Handles

[Mark Radabaugh]

ug… no wonder this ends up aggravating me on a regular basis.  I think we 
settled on 12-24 for the majority of the equipment we have.

Mark

> On Jan 28, 2020, at 6:06 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>  wrote:
> 
> There are actually four standards:
> 
> 
> 
> Even better, the *two* active standards (IEC_60927-3-100 and IEA/ECA-310) 
> each have a preferred thread sizes.   The IEC standard prefers M6x1, and the 
> IEA/ECA standard prefers M5.
> 
> I'm assuming that you're talking about either a M5 or a M6 screw, not a 
> non-metric 10-32 or 12-24.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 8:53 AM Mark Radabaugh  > wrote:
> Not a big concern for us.   If you get rid of the handles please leave a 
> tapped hole in the center of the 1U bracket that matches the common rack 
> screw (there are two standards - pick one) to use as a jack screw if the unit 
> is being stubborn coming out of the rack.
> 
> Mark
> 
>> On Jan 28, 2020, at 9:13 AM, Ken Hohhof > > wrote:
>> 
>> I can live without handles.
>>  
>> Not really a big deal unless it’s a super long, heavy server, and those 
>> typically go in 4 post racks or cabinets anyway with rear access.
>>  
>> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On 
>> Behalf Of Jason Wilson
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 1:24 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > >
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RackMount Devices - Handles or No Handles
>>  
>> Make keyholes for handles?  If you happen to need them slide them on. 
>> Removeable. Keep 1 set in the go bag. 
>>  
>> On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 10:09 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
>> mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:
>>> I'm wondering if anyone has strong opinions about handles on rackmount 
>>> devices.
>>>  
>>> I'm in the process of switching the enclosure manufacturer on the 
>>> RackInjector and in the process making some design changes that should make 
>>> things better for both us and our customers.  I don't want to share too 
>>> much just in case this doesn't work out - and no, this isn't a change to 
>>> hot-swappable cards.
>>>  
>>> With the design we're working on, the handles we have on the front of the 
>>> existing enclosure aren't very easy to implement in the new design.   So 
>>> I'm thinking about just dropping them to save the hassle/pain/shipping 
>>> issues/cost/etc/etc/etc.
>>>  
>>> My personal experience has been that although handles on enclosures are 
>>> nice when removing a device from a rack, they are by no means necessary.   
>>> On occasion, I've also had handles become a liability instead of a help.   
>>> But on the other hand, when a device gets stuck in a rack (typically due to 
>>> neighboring devices), it is nice to have them to add leverage when removing 
>>> the enclosure.
>>>  
>>> I'm wondering what everyone else's thoughts on this are...
>>>  
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[AFMUG] Ceph cluster on cheap hardware

[Jason McKemie]

Is anyone running a ceph cluster on cheap hardware in a production
environment? Looking at something like Atomic Pi boards.
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Re: [AFMUG] Calix (was RE: Google/Nest WiFi speedtest)

[chuck]

Wow that is odd.  Normally Calix is right on the ball with us.  

From: Tushar Patel 
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 9:05 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix (was RE: Google/Nest WiFi speedtest)

My experience with Calix sales people is horrendous!!

 

They don’t return calls or email  weeks at a time!! 

 

Can’t even get a quote out of this guys!!

 

I hope that is not how their supports works too.

 

How can you do business with a company who can’t even give a quote and what I 
have heard is everyone gets different price too!!

 

Tushar

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Hill
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 7:24 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix (was RE: Google/Nest WiFi speedtest)

 

Mike’s our Sales Rep, he relocated to Kentucky.  I can share your contact info 
with him if you’d like





 


  

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   Operations Manager

 Amplex Internet

  (419)837-5015 Ext 1047 

  www.amplex.net

 

 

 










  On Jan 27, 2020, at 6:38 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

   

  Yeah, Mike did live in Naperville. I forget at times that there's a cluster 
of people on the list that know where Naperville is.

  I've worked with Liz as well. I've attached her information here.



  -
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  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






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  From: "Ken Hohhof" 
  To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
  Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 5:21:48 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix (was RE: Google/Nest WiFi speedtest)

  I remember talking to a Mike Carpinelli at a WISPAmerica, I’d have to dig out 
his card, but I think you’re right he lived in Naperville or something.  But I 
also remember various “team” members named Liz, Brian, Scott.  I don’t remember 
who did what.  I think Liz, maybe last name Christie, was Great Lakes region 
manager?  But they should be easy enough to contact and find out who to deal 
with.  First step: NDA.

   

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
  Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 12:09 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix (was RE: Google/Nest WiFi speedtest)

   

  Hrm, he must have moved. He used to live not far from me.



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  Midwest Internet Exchange

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  From: "Josh Luthman" 
  To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
  Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 11:21:01 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix (was RE: Google/Nest WiFi speedtest)

  That's my guy for Ohio.  He lives in Kentucky.


   

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

   

   

  On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 9:13 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

Mike's my regional guy. He's probably yours too.



-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Jason McKemie" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 2:52:12 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix (was RE: Google/Nest WiFi speedtest)

Gotcha, thanks.

 

So you are buying your hardware direct from Calix?  Do you have a contact 
there? 

 

On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 1:59 PM Darin Steffl  
wrote:

  Calix used to be an add-on at $50 upfront and $10 per month. We've since 
increased all our plans $10 per month and now the first router is FREE and 
customers love it. If they need a mesh, it's just $5 per month, nothing upfront.

   

  This has gotten our take rates 99% for new customers and we've had great 
luck upgrading existing customers too because they get a speed increase and a 
free router for just $10 more with our new plans.

   

  On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 1:47 PM Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

So are you including this as part of the service or is it an add-on?  
Do you charge an upfront fee?

 

On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 11:52 AM Darin Steffl  
wrote:

  I didn't find it hard to get 1000+ of these deployed over 2 years. We 
are a small wisp and we've only emailed existing customers about it twice and 
many switch to it. Also anytime a customer calls and doesn't have one, we 
upsell. 

   

  On Fri, Jan 24, 2020, 11:27 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Calix CPE is probably an easier decision for a FISP, or for a new 
WISP just starting deployment, or for a big provider that deploys a pallet load 
of routers every day.

 

For an established small WISP with maybe a couple thousand existing 
customers and a modest number of new customers monthly, 

Re: [AFMUG] Cat5 Water Blocking Dry Tape

[dave via AF]

We only use Superior Essex Cat5e and now Cat6

https://www.discount-low-voltage.com/Cable/Burial-Category-5e/SE-04-601-55

The link is just for the image not specific to vendor choice.


On 1/28/20 4:50 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

We use the Shireen stuff.  I'd rate the dry gel tape as good not great.
It's certainly better than the Belden we used to use, which has a cellophane
like wrap that seems to guide the water all the way to the RJ45 at the
bottom.

The tape gets soggy, it doesn't turn into water blocking gel like in a gel
filled cable.  I'm not sure how I feel about some soggy tape inside the
cable 100 feet up, but I don't think I've experienced drops of water coming
out the bottom of any of the Shireen cable.  You absolutely do want to tape
or otherwise weatherproof the ends of any spare cables though, or they will
absorb water and you'll have to cut off several feet if you ever want to
terminate and use them.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 4:16 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Cat5 Water Blocking Dry Tape

Has anyone used shielded cat5 up tower with water blocking dry tape?
Does it work very well in case of water intrusion?

Once in rare while we will get a run with water in it.  I always think when
it happens someone did something wrong on install but a real pain when it
happens.

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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium POE Splitter

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

This is actually pretty simple:

Split the CAT5 into two, two pairs per radio, put the pairs on the data
line.   At the bottom use a 24V gigabit capable injector which puts the
power on the data pairs.  We have a couple at PacketFlux, Chuck makes a
couple, and there are others available.   The goal here is to get the 24V
riding the data line along with the data.So effectively you have two
10/100 capable links up with power on them.

At the top, you reverse the process  get a device which will pull the
power off of the data pairs, probably one of them from Chuck.   (See
800-GigE-PoE as an example).   Plug the cable from the bottom in the PoE
port, then build yourself a cable for the radio which puts the extracted
power on 4,5,7,8 and the data pins where they belong.

You could also use a single midspan Gigabit PoE injector at the bottom with
power on all 4 pairs, then remove it using a similar one at the top.   Then
your long CAT5 stays unsplit, and the splitting and PoE mess is all in a
single cable harness.   To do this you'd take two cat5 cables, and then
wire the 1,2,3,6 pairs from each cable into a single RJ45 (putting one on
1,2,3,6 and the other on 4,5,7,8) which gets plugged into the non-PoE side
of the extractor.   Then the remaining 4,5,7,8 wires you'd connect to the
power which came out of the PoE extractor at the top. The bottom
harness would be similar but for simplicity you can just put 24V in the
injector and not connect 4,5,7,8 on either CAT5.   Now I think about this,
this is what I'd probably do and just use a single 800-GigE-PoE top and
bottom.

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 9:17 AM Matt  wrote:

> I have a case where I need to power up two separate Cambium 24 volt
> SMs on rooftop but only need 100base to each.  Its very difficult to
> run the second wire at this location which I need.  Anyone know of way
> to split the cat5 at bottom and top to do this?  Not likely but
> thought I would ask.
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Re: [AFMUG] RackMount Devices - Handles or No Handles

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

There are actually four standards:

[image: image.png]

Even better, the *two* active standards (IEC_60927-3-100 and IEA/ECA-310)
each have a preferred thread sizes.   The IEC standard prefers M6x1, and
the IEA/ECA standard prefers M5.

I'm assuming that you're talking about either a M5 or a M6 screw, not a
non-metric 10-32 or 12-24.



On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 8:53 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> Not a big concern for us.   If you get rid of the handles please leave a
> tapped hole in the center of the 1U bracket that matches the common rack
> screw (there are two standards - pick one) to use as a jack screw if the
> unit is being stubborn coming out of the rack.
>
> Mark
>
> On Jan 28, 2020, at 9:13 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> I can live without handles.
>
> Not really a big deal unless it’s a super long, heavy server, and those
> typically go in 4 post racks or cabinets anyway with rear access.
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jason Wilson
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 28, 2020 1:24 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RackMount Devices - Handles or No Handles
>
> Make keyholes for handles?  If you happen to need them slide them on.
> Removeable. Keep 1 set in the go bag.
>
> On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 10:09 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
> I'm wondering if anyone has strong opinions about handles on
> rackmount devices.
>
> I'm in the process of switching the enclosure manufacturer on the
> RackInjector and in the process making some design changes that should make
> things better for both us and our customers.  I don't want to share too
> much just in case this doesn't work out - and no, this isn't a change to
> hot-swappable cards.
>
> With the design we're working on, the handles we have on the front of the
> existing enclosure aren't very easy to implement in the new design.   So
> I'm thinking about just dropping them to save the hassle/pain/shipping
> issues/cost/etc/etc/etc.
>
> My personal experience has been that although handles on enclosures are
> nice when removing a device from a rack, they are by no means necessary.
>  On occasion, I've also had handles become a liability instead of a help.
>  But on the other hand, when a device gets stuck in a rack (typically due
> to neighboring devices), it is nice to have them to add leverage when
> removing the enclosure.
>
> I'm wondering what everyone else's thoughts on this are...
>
> --
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Re: [AFMUG] RackMount Devices - Handles or No Handles

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Those are amazingly expensive (we looked at that particular handle set).  I
don't remember the exact price but it was over $10/set in Qty.


On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 9:10 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> It appears there are handles that can be retrofitted into the area where
> the rack screws go.  Seem kind of silly to me though.
>
> http://rack-handle.com/Rack%20Handle%20Datasheets/Piton1UHandle3001.PDF
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mark Radabaugh
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 28, 2020 9:53 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RackMount Devices - Handles or No Handles
>
>
>
> Not a big concern for us.   If you get rid of the handles please leave a
> tapped hole in the center of the 1U bracket that matches the common rack
> screw (there are two standards - pick one) to use as a jack screw if the
> unit is being stubborn coming out of the rack.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Jan 28, 2020, at 9:13 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>
>
> I can live without handles.
>
>
>
> Not really a big deal unless it’s a super long, heavy server, and those
> typically go in 4 post racks or cabinets anyway with rear access.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jason Wilson
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 28, 2020 1:24 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RackMount Devices - Handles or No Handles
>
>
>
> Make keyholes for handles?  If you happen to need them slide them on.
> Removeable. Keep 1 set in the go bag.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 10:09 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
> I'm wondering if anyone has strong opinions about handles on
> rackmount devices.
>
>
>
> I'm in the process of switching the enclosure manufacturer on the
> RackInjector and in the process making some design changes that should make
> things better for both us and our customers.  I don't want to share too
> much just in case this doesn't work out - and no, this isn't a change to
> hot-swappable cards.
>
>
>
> With the design we're working on, the handles we have on the front of the
> existing enclosure aren't very easy to implement in the new design.   So
> I'm thinking about just dropping them to save the hassle/pain/shipping
> issues/cost/etc/etc/etc.
>
>
>
> My personal experience has been that although handles on enclosures are
> nice when removing a device from a rack, they are by no means necessary.
>  On occasion, I've also had handles become a liability instead of a help.
>  But on the other hand, when a device gets stuck in a rack (typically due
> to neighboring devices), it is nice to have them to add leverage when
> removing the enclosure.
>
>
>
> I'm wondering what everyone else's thoughts on this are...
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Cat5 Water Blocking Dry Tape

[Ken Hohhof]

We use the Shireen stuff.  I'd rate the dry gel tape as good not great.
It's certainly better than the Belden we used to use, which has a cellophane
like wrap that seems to guide the water all the way to the RJ45 at the
bottom.

The tape gets soggy, it doesn't turn into water blocking gel like in a gel
filled cable.  I'm not sure how I feel about some soggy tape inside the
cable 100 feet up, but I don't think I've experienced drops of water coming
out the bottom of any of the Shireen cable.  You absolutely do want to tape
or otherwise weatherproof the ends of any spare cables though, or they will
absorb water and you'll have to cut off several feet if you ever want to
terminate and use them. 


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 4:16 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Cat5 Water Blocking Dry Tape

Has anyone used shielded cat5 up tower with water blocking dry tape?
Does it work very well in case of water intrusion?

Once in rare while we will get a run with water in it.  I always think when
it happens someone did something wrong on install but a real pain when it
happens.

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[AFMUG] Cat5 Water Blocking Dry Tape

[Matt]

Has anyone used shielded cat5 up tower with water blocking dry tape?
Does it work very well in case of water intrusion?

Once in rare while we will get a run with water in it.  I always think
when it happens someone did something wrong on install but a real pain
when it happens.

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Re: [AFMUG] managed routers and parental controls

[Jon Langeler]

How much does Plume cost on the low end?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Jan 28, 2020, at 1:08 PM, Carl Peterson  wrote:
> 
> 
> We use Plume for stuff like this.  It is a managed service they buy from us 
> on top of the internet and the customer gets a customized APP and we have a 
> backend NOC and cloud support much like you would get with Calix.  I'd 
> probably do it with Calix if it were 100% up to me but there are pros and 
> cons to each.  
> 
>> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 11:43 AM Steve Jones  
>> wrote:
>> Cambium has the new 3rd party integration. We have been looking into it and 
>> it will probably worth a poke.i can't remember what's it's called thou, it's 
>> in the release notes
>> 
>>> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020, 11:01 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>> Generally I'm against Mikrotik as a managed router, specifically because 
>>> you can't turn anything over to the customer.  Even fairly knowledgeable 
>>> consumers won't know what to do with a Mikrotik, and they could do some 
>>> dangerous stuff.  
>>> 
>>> With Cambium CnPilot (and probably most products made for this purpose) the 
>>> customer can have a separate login with less rights and get a simple 
>>> "Linksys" style webpage to do stuff like that.  The time based rules are 
>>> usually built in feature.  I'm pretty damn sure they exist in the CnPilot, 
>>> but I'm not in a position to check right now.
>>> 
>>> When the subject said "parental controls" I thought it was going to be 
>>> blocking porno.  I'm 100% hands off on that for a lot of reasons.   I 
>>> looked into it providing it as a service, but I just don't think there 
>>> would be enough demand to make it viable.  Even if it was viable I'm not 
>>> sure I'd want to take responsibility for it.
>>> 
>>> -Adam
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 1/28/2020 11:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
 Those of you who supply managed routers (especially if you do this for 
 everybody), do you set up parental controls?
 
  
 
 I had a request today from someone who wanted to turn off Internet at 
 night to keep his 3 kids from using their devices.  I thought this was 
 kind of silly since they are 21, 23 and 24 years old.  (Maybe like 
 senators who have to put their devices in a cubby in the cloakroom.  OK, I 
 just thought that, didn’t say it out loud.)
 
  
 
 This guy has a leased Mikrotik from us, and Mikrotik does have a Kids 
 control feature that could probably do this.  But I don’t want to get into 
 this, especially because I fear constant requests to override or tweak the 
 settings.  I also don’t want to give customers management control over a 
 router that we are supposed to be managing.
 
  
 
 And in this case he wanted to do it across the board, but many people 
 might want it set up by MAC address for each person in the family, so 
 maybe the older kids would have later bedtimes and the parents wouldn’t 
 have any restrictions.  Or they might want the bandwidth restricted so the 
 kids could do schoolwork but not stream video.
 
  
 
 What do you guys do?  I’m going to guess Calix maybe has a cloud portal 
 where the customer can do things like this on their own, while some 
 settings are restricted to the carrier?  What about other cloud managed 
 routers like the Cambium stuff?
 
 
 
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Re: [AFMUG] managed routers and parental controls

[Carl Peterson]

Yeah, we made a deal with them.  We pay a monthly per subscriber that we
sell plume to.   If you set up a network with Plumes we bought, your App
defaults so our settings/support info and they show up in our NOC/Support
console.  It took a year or so because at first they weren't set up for
it.  I'll ask our office for contact info for Plume's BD side of the
house.

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 3:27 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:

> I use Plume at home.   Did you make a deal with them to be a reseller?
> Any info you can share would be appreciated.
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Carl Peterson
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 28, 2020 10:08 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] managed routers and parental controls
>
>
>
> We use Plume for stuff like this.  It is a managed service they buy from
> us on top of the internet and the customer gets a customized APP and we
> have a backend NOC and cloud support much like you would get with Calix.
> I'd probably do it with Calix if it were 100% up to me but there are pros
> and cons to each.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 11:43 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> Cambium has the new 3rd party integration. We have been looking into it
> and it will probably worth a poke.i can't remember what's it's called thou,
> it's in the release notes
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020, 11:01 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> Generally I'm against Mikrotik as a managed router, specifically because
> you can't turn anything over to the customer.  Even fairly knowledgeable
> consumers won't know what to do with a Mikrotik, and they could do some
> dangerous stuff.
>
> With Cambium CnPilot (and probably most products made for this purpose)
> the customer can have a separate login with less rights and get a simple
> "Linksys" style webpage to do stuff like that.  The time based rules are
> usually built in feature.  I'm pretty damn sure they exist in the CnPilot,
> but I'm not in a position to check right now.
>
> When the subject said "parental controls" I thought it was going to be
> blocking porno.  I'm 100% hands off on that for a lot of reasons.   I
> looked into it providing it as a service, but I just don't think there
> would be enough demand to make it viable.  Even if it was viable I'm not
> sure I'd want to take responsibility for it.
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
>
>
> On 1/28/2020 11:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Those of you who supply managed routers (especially if you do this for
> everybody), do you set up parental controls?
>
>
>
> I had a request today from someone who wanted to turn off Internet at
> night to keep his 3 kids from using their devices.  I thought this was kind
> of silly since they are 21, 23 and 24 years old.  (Maybe like senators who
> have to put their devices in a cubby in the cloakroom.  OK, I just thought
> that, didn’t say it out loud.)
>
>
>
> This guy has a leased Mikrotik from us, and Mikrotik does have a Kids
> control feature that could probably do this.  But I don’t want to get into
> this, especially because I fear constant requests to override or tweak the
> settings.  I also don’t want to give customers management control over a
> router that we are supposed to be managing.
>
>
>
> And in this case he wanted to do it across the board, but many people
> might want it set up by MAC address for each person in the family, so maybe
> the older kids would have later bedtimes and the parents wouldn’t have any
> restrictions.  Or they might want the bandwidth restricted so the kids
> could do schoolwork but not stream video.
>
>
>
> What do you guys do?  I’m going to guess Calix maybe has a cloud portal
> where the customer can do things like this on their own, while some
> settings are restricted to the carrier?  What about other cloud managed
> routers like the Cambium stuff?
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] managed routers and parental controls

[SmarterBroadband]

I use Plume at home.   Did you make a deal with them to be a reseller?   Any 
info you can share would be appreciated.

Adam

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 10:08 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] managed routers and parental controls

 

We use Plume for stuff like this.  It is a managed service they buy from us on 
top of the internet and the customer gets a customized APP and we have a 
backend NOC and cloud support much like you would get with Calix.  I'd probably 
do it with Calix if it were 100% up to me but there are pros and cons to each.  

 

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 11:43 AM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Cambium has the new 3rd party integration. We have been looking into it and it 
will probably worth a poke.i can't remember what's it's called thou, it's in 
the release notes

 

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020, 11:01 AM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Generally I'm against Mikrotik as a managed router, specifically because you 
can't turn anything over to the customer.  Even fairly knowledgeable consumers 
won't know what to do with a Mikrotik, and they could do some dangerous stuff.  

With Cambium CnPilot (and probably most products made for this purpose) the 
customer can have a separate login with less rights and get a simple "Linksys" 
style webpage to do stuff like that.  The time based rules are usually built in 
feature.  I'm pretty damn sure they exist in the CnPilot, but I'm not in a 
position to check right now.

When the subject said "parental controls" I thought it was going to be blocking 
porno.  I'm 100% hands off on that for a lot of reasons.   I looked into it 
providing it as a service, but I just don't think there would be enough demand 
to make it viable.  Even if it was viable I'm not sure I'd want to take 
responsibility for it.

-Adam

 

 

On 1/28/2020 11:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Those of you who supply managed routers (especially if you do this for 
everybody), do you set up parental controls?

 

I had a request today from someone who wanted to turn off Internet at night to 
keep his 3 kids from using their devices.  I thought this was kind of silly 
since they are 21, 23 and 24 years old.  (Maybe like senators who have to put 
their devices in a cubby in the cloakroom.  OK, I just thought that, didn’t say 
it out loud.)

 

This guy has a leased Mikrotik from us, and Mikrotik does have a Kids control 
feature that could probably do this.  But I don’t want to get into this, 
especially because I fear constant requests to override or tweak the settings.  
I also don’t want to give customers management control over a router that we 
are supposed to be managing.

 

And in this case he wanted to do it across the board, but many people might 
want it set up by MAC address for each person in the family, so maybe the older 
kids would have later bedtimes and the parents wouldn’t have any restrictions.  
Or they might want the bandwidth restricted so the kids could do schoolwork but 
not stream video.

 

What do you guys do?  I’m going to guess Calix maybe has a cloud portal where 
the customer can do things like this on their own, while some settings are 
restricted to the carrier?  What about other cloud managed routers like the 
Cambium stuff?

 

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[AFMUG] Cambium PPPoE and QoS

[Adam Moffett]

If you're marking traffic with DSCP tags to use the high priority 
channel in a PMP450 system, will that be broken if you start doing 
PPPoE?  Or does the AP look for DSCP tags inside the PPPoE session?


Does it make any difference if the PPPoE client is on the SM vs being on 
a Router past the SM?




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Re: [AFMUG] Trencher

[Steven Kenney]

Looks about the size I was talking about. Small enough to fit into a work van. 
But powerful enough to do the job. 

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From: "Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 2:39:23 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trencher 



I think that is going to vary depending on how much you use it. 

We have a Ditch Witch SX100. Good little machine for 4-6” depth. We have 
probably only run it 100 hours so far. 
We also have a Ditch Witch 4010DD with the plow attachment. It has about 2000 
hours on it and required a bit of work to get it back to good after purchase. 

Overall, I think they are decent machines for what they do. 




Jim Bouse 
Owner - Brazos WiFi 
979-985-5912 
[ http://www.brazoswifi.com/ | http://www.brazoswifi.com ] 





From: AF  On Behalf Of Steven Kenney 
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 1:13 PM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Trencher 





We are looking to buy a trencher. The vibrating type... however from what we've 
been told by many people they require constant maintenance because of the 
vibrations. Things are always falling apart. 





Has anyone had any good luck with trenchers that are well built and will last 
more than a few years? If so which brand? 





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Re: [AFMUG] Trencher

[Steven Kenney]

That looks and sounds about what we are looking for. Just a little big! You'd 
need a trailer or pickup to haul that thing around. 



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(519)737-WAVE (9283) 


From: "Adam Moffett"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 2:36:49 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trencher 



My last experience was a Vermeer SPX-25. It laid cable quick enough. Depth went 
to about 10-12". 


The Vermeer dealer brought one out to demo to us. We intentionally took him to 
a lot where we knew there were buried chunks of concrete. With a straight blade 
and some feathering on the controls it would displace or cut up just about 
anything it bumped into. The chute blade lays out cable for you, but it's more 
blunt on the leading edge so it's not quite as unstoppable. 

Every time you use it you have to check the whole plow assembly for loose bolts 
though. Not that they were loose every time, but if you didn't check you'd find 
out the hard way that something was loose. Nothing came apart on the tractor 
piece, just the plow assembly. Keep a torque wrench with the unit and make it 
part of your procedure to check the bolts on the plow before starting a cable 
run. 


I can understand why a rental company wouldn't want to deal with thatbut I 
don't think it's as big a problem as you think it is. 



On 1/28/2020 2:26 PM, Steven Kenney wrote: 



I agree.. however we need them small enough installers can use them 
periodically. For larger projects where they'll be going on all day, yes we'd 
get a bigger one. 

We looked at renting one just to try instead of doing it manually (by spade) 
and nobody would rent them because of how often they fall apart. 

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From: "Adam Moffett" [ mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com |  ] 
To: "af" [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com |  ] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 2:23:07 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trencher 



Sounds like you mean a vibratory plow? 


They'll all last more than a few years, but they'll all need bolts tightened 
frequently. Just an opinion. 


I'd bet the bigger ones can absorb the vibration better. 


On 1/28/2020 2:12 PM, Steven Kenney wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

We are looking to buy a trencher. The vibrating type... however from what we've 
been told by many people they require constant maintenance because of the 
vibrations. Things are always falling apart. 

Has anyone had any good luck with trenchers that are well built and will last 
more than a few years? If so which brand? 

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Re: [AFMUG] Trencher

[Steven Kenney]

Nice thanks I'll take a look 

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From: "Ryan Hill"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 2:28:17 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trencher 

We have had a Lineward for years and it’s virtually bullet proof, especially if 
its well maintained and the PMs are performed weekly 

[ https://lineward.com/ | https://lineward.com/ ] 





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Amplex I nternet 
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On Jan 28, 2020, at 2:26 PM, Steven Kenney < [ mailto:st...@wavedirect.org | 
st...@wavedirect.org ] > wrote: 

I agree.. however we need them small enough installers can use them 
periodically. For larger projects where they'll be going on all day, yes we'd 
get a bigger one. 

We looked at renting one just to try instead of doing it manually (by spade) 
and nobody would rent them because of how often they fall apart. 

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WaveDirect Telecommunications 
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(519)737-WAVE (9283) 


From: "Adam Moffett" < [ mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com | dmmoff...@gmail.com ] > 
To: "af" < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] > 
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 2:23:07 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trencher 



Sounds like you mean a vibratory plow? 


They'll all last more than a few years, but they'll all need bolts tightened 
frequently. Just an opinion. 


I'd bet the bigger ones can absorb the vibration better. 


On 1/28/2020 2:12 PM, Steven Kenney wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

We are looking to buy a trencher. The vibrating type... however from what we've 
been told by many people they require constant maintenance because of the 
vibrations. Things are always falling apart. 

Has anyone had any good luck with trenchers that are well built and will last 
more than a few years? If so which brand? 

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Network Operations Manager 
WaveDirect Telecommunications 
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(519)737-WAVE (9283) 




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Re: [AFMUG] managed routers and parental controls

[Mark Radabaugh]

Well that’s one way to kick the little birds out of the nest.

No Internets for you!  Get a job!  Find your own place to live!

Mark

> On Jan 28, 2020, at 11:40 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> Those of you who supply managed routers (especially if you do this for 
> everybody), do you set up parental controls?
>  
> I had a request today from someone who wanted to turn off Internet at night 
> to keep his 3 kids from using their devices.  I thought this was kind of 
> silly since they are 21, 23 and 24 years old.  (Maybe like senators who have 
> to put their devices in a cubby in the cloakroom.  OK, I just thought that, 
> didn’t say it out loud.)
>  
> This guy has a leased Mikrotik from us, and Mikrotik does have a Kids control 
> feature that could probably do this.  But I don’t want to get into this, 
> especially because I fear constant requests to override or tweak the 
> settings.  I also don’t want to give customers management control over a 
> router that we are supposed to be managing.
>  
> And in this case he wanted to do it across the board, but many people might 
> want it set up by MAC address for each person in the family, so maybe the 
> older kids would have later bedtimes and the parents wouldn’t have any 
> restrictions.  Or they might want the bandwidth restricted so the kids could 
> do schoolwork but not stream video.
>  
> What do you guys do?  I’m going to guess Calix maybe has a cloud portal where 
> the customer can do things like this on their own, while some settings are 
> restricted to the carrier?  What about other cloud managed routers like the 
> Cambium stuff?
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium POE Splitter

[Mathew Howard]

The Pro is better, in general. The main problem that I've had with the
normal Powerbox is dropping power on ports, which can generally be fixed by
turning on "long cable mode", or something like that.

The Pro also gets you gigabit, an SFP port, and it can do 24v or 48v (but
not both at the same time).

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 12:41 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> You know I think we did have some weird issues when we tried to use a
> Powerbox.  Is the secret to get the "Pro" version?
>
> And for whatever it's worth, I'm pretty content with the Ubiquiti EP S16.
> I don't understand how some of the ports can do 24V passive or 48V 802.3at,
> but can't be configured for 48V passive.  Only the first 4 ports can do 48V
> passive..but that's not a big deal unless you're using AirFiber or LTU
> Rocket.  Edgepoint costs a bit more than Powerbox, but so far I like it.
> On 1/28/2020 1:12 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Use a pro power box, seems to be flawless instead of the base having
> random weird issues
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020, 1:05 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
>> Yeah, that might work, but that's just going to be putting both SM's on
>> the same layer 2 network anyway... it'd be simpler/cheaper to just throw a
>> MikroTik PowerBox up there, if that's acceptable.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 11:55 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> Is this ePMP or 450?  I wonder if you could enable POE out on the AUX
>>> port of a 450i SM to run a second SM?  Multiple problems, like 450i SM
>>> needs 48V, plus Cambium never talks about using the AUX port for another SM
>>> but rather for things like cameras.  I’m not sure if the AUX port POE out
>>> is 48 or 24 volts.  Plus the 450i SM is hideously expensive.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Carl Peterson
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 28, 2020 11:45 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium POE Splitter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've never done it, but UBNT has some gigabit 24V A+B POE injectors for
>>> AirFiber.  You should just be able to split it out on both sides so A POE
>>> powers one and B POE powers the other.  If the topside devices cant take
>>> power on the data pins, you would need to pick the power off with gigabit
>>> power taps and put it back onto the power pins.  Much (1000X) easier to
>>> just use a Netonxi 6 min in one of their little plastic od enclosures.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 11:32 AM Mathew Howard 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> There are ways you could do power on two pairs... might not be very
>>> pretty, but it can certainly be done.
>>>
>>> It's hard to say what would be the best way to do it, without knowing
>>> exactly what we're trying to accomplish.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 10:30 AM Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> You can do fast Ethernet with 2 pair, I'm not aware of a way to send
>>> power up there as well, however.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 28, 2020, Matt  wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a case where I need to power up two separate Cambium 24 volt
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Re: [AFMUG] Trencher

[Adam Moffett]

That looks like a nice compact plow.  I'll definitely keep it in mind.

I'm not trying to say the Vermeer was hard, but if you're chopping 
through rocks with your plow I'm betting you'll find a loose bolt now 
and again.



On 1/28/2020 2:40 PM, Ryan Hill wrote:

Yeah thats way too much work.

The Lineward is way easier to manage, maintain, and use



/     Rya//n H//ill /
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On Jan 28, 2020, at 2:36 PM, Adam Moffett > wrote:


My last experience was a Vermeer SPX-25.  It laid cable quick 
enough.  Depth went to about 10-12".


The Vermeer dealer brought one out to demo to us.  We intentionally 
took him to a lot where we knew there were buried chunks of 
concrete.  With a straight blade and some feathering on the controls 
it would displace or cut up just about anything it bumped into.  The 
chute blade lays out cable for you, but it's more blunt on the 
leading edge so it's not quite as unstoppable.


Every time you use it you have to check the whole plow assembly for 
loose bolts though.  Not that they were loose every time, but if you 
didn't check you'd find out the hard way that something was loose. 
Nothing came apart on the tractor piece, just the plow assembly.   
Keep a torque wrench with the unit and make it part of your procedure 
to check the bolts on the plow before starting a cable run.


I can understand why a rental company wouldn't want to deal with 
thatbut I don't think it's as big a problem as you think it is.



On 1/28/2020 2:26 PM, Steven Kenney wrote:
I agree.. however we need them small enough installers can use them 
periodically.  For larger projects where they'll be going on all 
day, yes we'd get a bigger one.


We looked at renting one just to try instead of doing it manually 
(by spade) and nobody would rent them because of how often they fall 
apart.


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(519)737-WAVE (9283)


*From: *"Adam Moffett" 
*To: *"af" 
*Sent: *Tuesday, January 28, 2020 2:23:07 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Trencher

Sounds like you mean a vibratory plow?

They'll all last more than a few years, but they'll all need bolts 
tightened frequently.  Just an opinion.


I'd bet the bigger ones can absorb the vibration better.


On 1/28/2020 2:12 PM, Steven Kenney wrote:

We are looking to buy a trencher.  The vibrating type... however
from what we've been told by many people they require constant
maintenance because of the vibrations.  Things are always
falling apart.

Has anyone had any good luck with trenchers that are well built
and will last more than a few years? If so which brand?

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Re: [AFMUG] Trencher

[Ryan Hill]

Yeah thats way too much work.

The Lineward is way easier to manage, maintain, and use



  
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> On Jan 28, 2020, at 2:36 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> My last experience was a Vermeer SPX-25.  It laid cable quick enough.  Depth 
> went to about 10-12".  
> 
> The Vermeer dealer brought one out to demo to us.  We intentionally took him 
> to a lot where we knew there were buried chunks of concrete.  With a straight 
> blade and some feathering on the controls it would displace or cut up just 
> about anything it bumped into.  The chute blade lays out cable for you, but 
> it's more blunt on the leading edge so it's not quite as unstoppable.
> 
> Every time you use it you have to check the whole plow assembly for loose 
> bolts though.  Not that they were loose every time, but if you didn't check 
> you'd find out the hard way that something was loose.  Nothing came apart on 
> the tractor piece, just the plow assembly.   Keep a torque wrench with the 
> unit and make it part of your procedure to check the bolts on the plow before 
> starting a cable run. 
> 
> I can understand why a rental company wouldn't want to deal with thatbut 
> I don't think it's as big a problem as you think it is.
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/28/2020 2:26 PM, Steven Kenney wrote:
>> I agree.. however we need them small enough installers can use them 
>> periodically.  For larger projects where they'll be going on all day, yes 
>> we'd get a bigger one.  
>> 
>> We looked at renting one just to try instead of doing it manually (by spade) 
>> and nobody would rent them because of how often they fall apart.  
>> 
>> -- 
>> Steven Kenney
>> Network Operations Manager
>> WaveDirect Telecommunications
>> http://www.wavedirect.net 
>> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>> 
>> From: "Adam Moffett"  
>> To: "af"  
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 2:23:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trencher
>> 
>> Sounds like you mean a vibratory plow?  
>> 
>> They'll all last more than a few years, but they'll all need bolts tightened 
>> frequently.  Just an opinion. 
>> 
>> I'd bet the bigger ones can absorb the vibration better.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 1/28/2020 2:12 PM, Steven Kenney wrote:
>> We are looking to buy a trencher.  The vibrating type... however from what 
>> we've been told by many people they require constant maintenance because of 
>> the vibrations.  Things are always falling apart.   
>> 
>> Has anyone had any good luck with trenchers that are well built and will 
>> last more than a few years? If so which brand?
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Trencher

[Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]]

I think that is going to vary depending on how much you use it.
We have a Ditch Witch SX100.  Good little machine for 4-6” depth.  We have 
probably only run it 100 hours so far.
We also have a Ditch Witch 4010DD with the plow attachment.  It has about 2000 
hours on it and required a bit of work to get it back to good after purchase.

Overall, I think they are decent machines for what they do.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
http://www.brazoswifi.com

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steven Kenney
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 1:13 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Trencher

We are looking to buy a trencher.  The vibrating type... however from what 
we've been told by many people they require constant maintenance because of the 
vibrations.  Things are always falling apart.

Has anyone had any good luck with trenchers that are well built and will last 
more than a few years? If so which brand?

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Re: [AFMUG] Trencher

[Adam Moffett]

My last experience was a Vermeer SPX-25.  It laid cable quick enough.  
Depth went to about 10-12".


The Vermeer dealer brought one out to demo to us.  We intentionally took 
him to a lot where we knew there were buried chunks of concrete.  With a 
straight blade and some feathering on the controls it would displace or 
cut up just about anything it bumped into.  The chute blade lays out 
cable for you, but it's more blunt on the leading edge so it's not quite 
as unstoppable.


Every time you use it you have to check the whole plow assembly for 
loose bolts though.  Not that they were loose every time, but if you 
didn't check you'd find out the hard way that something was loose.  
Nothing came apart on the tractor piece, just the plow assembly.   Keep 
a torque wrench with the unit and make it part of your procedure to 
check the bolts on the plow before starting a cable run.


I can understand why a rental company wouldn't want to deal with 
thatbut I don't think it's as big a problem as you think it is.



On 1/28/2020 2:26 PM, Steven Kenney wrote:
I agree.. however we need them small enough installers can use them 
periodically.  For larger projects where they'll be going on all day, 
yes we'd get a bigger one.


We looked at renting one just to try instead of doing it manually (by 
spade) and nobody would rent them because of how often they fall apart.


--
Steven Kenney
Network Operations Manager
WaveDirect Telecommunications
http://www.wavedirect.net
(519)737-WAVE (9283)


*From: *"Adam Moffett" 
*To: *"af" 
*Sent: *Tuesday, January 28, 2020 2:23:07 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Trencher

Sounds like you mean a vibratory plow?

They'll all last more than a few years, but they'll all need bolts 
tightened frequently.  Just an opinion.


I'd bet the bigger ones can absorb the vibration better.


On 1/28/2020 2:12 PM, Steven Kenney wrote:

We are looking to buy a trencher.  The vibrating type... however
from what we've been told by many people they require constant
maintenance because of the vibrations.  Things are always falling
apart.

Has anyone had any good luck with trenchers that are well built
and will last more than a few years? If so which brand?

-- 
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Network Operations Manager
WaveDirect Telecommunications
http://www.wavedirect.net
(519)737-WAVE (9283)


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Re: [AFMUG] Trencher

[Ryan Hill]

We have had a Lineward for years and it’s virtually bullet proof, especially if 
its well maintained and the PMs are performed weekly

https://lineward.com/ 





  
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   Operations Manager
 Amplex Internet
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> On Jan 28, 2020, at 2:26 PM, Steven Kenney  wrote:
> 
> I agree.. however we need them small enough installers can use them 
> periodically.  For larger projects where they'll be going on all day, yes 
> we'd get a bigger one.  
> 
> We looked at renting one just to try instead of doing it manually (by spade) 
> and nobody would rent them because of how often they fall apart.  
> 
> -- 
> Steven Kenney
> Network Operations Manager
> WaveDirect Telecommunications
> http://www.wavedirect.net
> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
> 
> From: "Adam Moffett" 
> To: "af" 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 2:23:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trencher
> 
> Sounds like you mean a vibratory plow?  
> 
> They'll all last more than a few years, but they'll all need bolts tightened 
> frequently.  Just an opinion. 
> 
> I'd bet the bigger ones can absorb the vibration better.
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/28/2020 2:12 PM, Steven Kenney wrote:
> We are looking to buy a trencher.  The vibrating type... however from what 
> we've been told by many people they require constant maintenance because of 
> the vibrations.  Things are always falling apart.   
> 
> Has anyone had any good luck with trenchers that are well built and will last 
> more than a few years? If so which brand?
> 
> -- 
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> Network Operations Manager
> WaveDirect Telecommunications
> http://www.wavedirect.net 
> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Trencher

[Jason McKemie]

I have a 410sx that I use for customer drops and some main runs.  It's been
pretty dependable overall.

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 1:26 PM Steven Kenney  wrote:

> I agree.. however we need them small enough installers can use them
> periodically.  For larger projects where they'll be going on all day, yes
> we'd get a bigger one.
>
> We looked at renting one just to try instead of doing it manually (by
> spade) and nobody would rent them because of how often they fall apart.
>
> --
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> Network Operations Manager
> WaveDirect Telecommunications
> http://www.wavedirect.net
> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>
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> *From: *"Adam Moffett" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 28, 2020 2:23:07 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Trencher
>
> Sounds like you mean a vibratory plow?
>
> They'll all last more than a few years, but they'll all need bolts
> tightened frequently.  Just an opinion.
>
> I'd bet the bigger ones can absorb the vibration better.
>
>
> On 1/28/2020 2:12 PM, Steven Kenney wrote:
>
> We are looking to buy a trencher.  The vibrating type... however from what
> we've been told by many people they require constant maintenance because of
> the vibrations.  Things are always falling apart.
>
> Has anyone had any good luck with trenchers that are well built and will
> last more than a few years? If so which brand?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Trencher

[Steven Kenney]

I agree.. however we need them small enough installers can use them 
periodically. For larger projects where they'll be going on all day, yes we'd 
get a bigger one. 

We looked at renting one just to try instead of doing it manually (by spade) 
and nobody would rent them because of how often they fall apart. 

-- 
Steven Kenney 
Network Operations Manager 
WaveDirect Telecommunications 
http://www.wavedirect.net 
(519)737-WAVE (9283) 


From: "Adam Moffett"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 2:23:07 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trencher 



Sounds like you mean a vibratory plow? 


They'll all last more than a few years, but they'll all need bolts tightened 
frequently. Just an opinion. 


I'd bet the bigger ones can absorb the vibration better. 


On 1/28/2020 2:12 PM, Steven Kenney wrote: 



We are looking to buy a trencher. The vibrating type... however from what we've 
been told by many people they require constant maintenance because of the 
vibrations. Things are always falling apart. 

Has anyone had any good luck with trenchers that are well built and will last 
more than a few years? If so which brand? 

-- 
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Network Operations Manager 
WaveDirect Telecommunications 
[ http://www.wavedirect.net/ | http://www.wavedirect.net ] 
(519)737-WAVE (9283) 




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Re: [AFMUG] Calix (was RE: Google/Nest WiFi speedtest)

[Steven Kenney]

We are looking at them, among others. I especially like how their routers are 
their own linux operating system based off OpenWRT and docker. They can load 
pretty much any type of app on it. 

The costs initially looked ok, but initially we are looking to buy the higher 
end stuff for our current fiber projects. Anyone have any expertise with their 
cli? Is it similar to cisco/juniper? I'm due to get a demo soon. 

-- 
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Network Operations Manager 
WaveDirect Telecommunications 
http://www.wavedirect.net 
(519)737-WAVE (9283) 


From: "Darin Steffl"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 11:50:13 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix (was RE: Google/Nest WiFi speedtest) 

We also committed to purchasing 1500 Calix routers and got a deal we're happy 
with. We spread the shipments out 150 at a time every couple months and it 
worked well. 

If you're having trouble with sales guys returning calls, reach out to this 
contact and ask him to help. Be respectful but he should be able to light a 
fire for you. 

[ mailto:skip.hirv...@calix.com | skip.hirv...@calix.com ] 

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020, 10:30 AM Cassidy B. Larson < [ mailto:c...@infowest.com | 
c...@infowest.com ] > wrote: 



Just like all other vendors, your price is based on the QTY you order. You have 
more leverage to get better pricing if you order more QTY. 
We ordered 1000 Calix units last year and got a GREAT deal. Then they allowed 
us to spread out shipment delivery to 100 a month. 

We do the same thing with our radio vendors too. It gives them months to know 
what kind of stock they need to keep on hand to fulfill our orders. 




BQ_BEGIN

On Jan 28, 2020, at 9:05 AM, Tushar Patel < [ mailto:tpa...@ecpi.com | 
tpa...@ecpi.com ] > wrote: 

My experience with Calix sales people is horrendous!! 
They don’t return calls or email weeks at a time!! 
Can’t even get a quote out of this guys!! 
I hope that is not how their supports works too. 
How can you do business with a company who can’t even give a quote and what I 
have heard is everyone gets different price too!! 
Tushar 
From: AF [ [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com | mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] 
] On Behalf Of Ryan Hill 
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 7:24 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | 
af@af.afmug.com ] > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix (was RE: Google/Nest WiFi speedtest) 
Mike’s our Sales Rep, he relocated to Kentucky. I can share your contact info 
with him if you’d like 



 
Ryan Hill 
Operations Manager 
Amplex I nternet 
(419)837-5015 Ext 1047 
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BQ_BEGIN

On Jan 27, 2020, at 6:38 PM, Mike Hammett < [ mailto:af...@ics-il.net | 
af...@ics-il.net ] > wrote: 


Yeah, Mike did live in Naperville. I forget at times that there's a cluster of 
people on the list that know where Naperville is. 

I've worked with Liz as well. I've attached her information here. 


- 
Mike Hammett 
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https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions ] [ 
https://twitter.com/ICSIL ] 
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https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange ] [ 
https://twitter.com/mdwestix ] 
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https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg ] 



From: "Ken Hohhof" < [ mailto:af...@kwisp.com | af...@kwisp.com ] > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | 
af@af.afmug.com ] > 
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 5:21:48 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix (was RE: Google/Nest WiFi speedtest) 
I remember talking to a Mike Carpinelli at a WISPAmerica, I’d have to dig out 
his card, but I think you’re right he lived in Naperville or something. But I 
also remember various “team” members named Liz, Brian, Scott. I don’t remember 
who did what. I think Liz, maybe last name Christie, was Great Lakes region 
manager? But they should be easy enough to contact and find out who to deal 
with. First step: NDA. 
From: AF < [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com | af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] > On 
Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 12:09 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | 
af@af.afmug.com ] > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix (was RE: Google/Nest WiFi speedtest) 


Hrm, he must have moved. He used to live not far from me. 


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Re: [AFMUG] Trencher

[Adam Moffett]

Sounds like you mean a vibratory plow?

They'll all last more than a few years, but they'll all need bolts 
tightened frequently.  Just an opinion.


I'd bet the bigger ones can absorb the vibration better.


On 1/28/2020 2:12 PM, Steven Kenney wrote:
We are looking to buy a trencher.  The vibrating type... however from 
what we've been told by many people they require constant maintenance 
because of the vibrations.  Things are always falling apart.


Has anyone had any good luck with trenchers that are well built and 
will last more than a few years? If so which brand?


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[AFMUG] Trencher

[Steven Kenney]

We are looking to buy a trencher. The vibrating type... however from what we've 
been told by many people they require constant maintenance because of the 
vibrations. Things are always falling apart. 

Has anyone had any good luck with trenchers that are well built and will last 
more than a few years? If so which brand? 

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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium POE Splitter

[Adam Moffett]

You know I think we did have some weird issues when we tried to use a 
Powerbox.  Is the secret to get the "Pro" version?


And for whatever it's worth, I'm pretty content with the Ubiquiti EP 
S16.  I don't understand how some of the ports can do 24V passive or 48V 
802.3at, but can't be configured for 48V passive. Only the first 4 ports 
can do 48V passive..but that's not a big deal unless you're using 
AirFiber or LTU Rocket.  Edgepoint costs a bit more than Powerbox, but 
so far I like it.


On 1/28/2020 1:12 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Use a pro power box, seems to be flawless instead of the base having 
random weird issues


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020, 1:05 PM Mathew Howard > wrote:


Yeah, that might work, but that's just going to be putting both
SM's on the same layer 2 network anyway... it'd be simpler/cheaper
to just throw a MikroTik PowerBox up there, if that's acceptable.

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 11:55 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Is this ePMP or 450?  I wonder if you could enable POE out on
the AUX port of a 450i SM to run a second SM?  Multiple
problems, like 450i SM needs 48V, plus Cambium never talks
about using the AUX port for another SM but rather for things
like cameras.  I’m not sure if the AUX port POE out is 48 or
24 volts.  Plus the 450i SM is hideously expensive.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Carl Peterson
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 28, 2020 11:45 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium POE Splitter

I've never done it, but UBNT has some gigabit 24V A+B POE
injectors for AirFiber.  You should just be able to split it
out on both sides so A POE powers one and B POE powers the
other.  If the topside devices cant take power on the data
pins, you would need to pick the power off with gigabit power
taps and put it back onto the power pins.  Much (1000X) easier
to just use a Netonxi 6 min in one of their little plastic
od enclosures.

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 11:32 AM Mathew Howard
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:

There are ways you could do power on two pairs... might
not be very pretty, but it can certainly be done.

It's hard to say what would be the best way to do it,
without knowing exactly what we're trying to accomplish.

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 10:30 AM Jason McKemie
mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:

You can do fast Ethernet with 2 pair, I'm not aware of
a way to send power up there as well, however.

On Tuesday, January 28, 2020, Matt
mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I have a case where I need to power up two
separate Cambium 24 volt
SMs on rooftop but only need 100base to each.  Its
very difficult to
run the second wire at this location which I
need.  Anyone know of way
to split the cat5 at bottom and top to do this? 
Not likely but
thought I would ask.

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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium POE Splitter

[Josh Luthman]

Use a pro power box, seems to be flawless instead of the base having random
weird issues

Josh Luthman
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On Tue, Jan 28, 2020, 1:05 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Yeah, that might work, but that's just going to be putting both SM's on
> the same layer 2 network anyway... it'd be simpler/cheaper to just throw a
> MikroTik PowerBox up there, if that's acceptable.
>
> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 11:55 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Is this ePMP or 450?  I wonder if you could enable POE out on the AUX
>> port of a 450i SM to run a second SM?  Multiple problems, like 450i SM
>> needs 48V, plus Cambium never talks about using the AUX port for another SM
>> but rather for things like cameras.  I’m not sure if the AUX port POE out
>> is 48 or 24 volts.  Plus the 450i SM is hideously expensive.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Carl Peterson
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 28, 2020 11:45 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium POE Splitter
>>
>>
>>
>> I've never done it, but UBNT has some gigabit 24V A+B POE injectors for
>> AirFiber.  You should just be able to split it out on both sides so A POE
>> powers one and B POE powers the other.  If the topside devices cant take
>> power on the data pins, you would need to pick the power off with gigabit
>> power taps and put it back onto the power pins.  Much (1000X) easier to
>> just use a Netonxi 6 min in one of their little plastic od enclosures.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 11:32 AM Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>> There are ways you could do power on two pairs... might not be very
>> pretty, but it can certainly be done.
>>
>> It's hard to say what would be the best way to do it, without knowing
>> exactly what we're trying to accomplish.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 10:30 AM Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>> You can do fast Ethernet with 2 pair, I'm not aware of a way to send
>> power up there as well, however.
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 28, 2020, Matt  wrote:
>>
>> I have a case where I need to power up two separate Cambium 24 volt
>> SMs on rooftop but only need 100base to each.  Its very difficult to
>> run the second wire at this location which I need.  Anyone know of way
>> to split the cat5 at bottom and top to do this?  Not likely but
>> thought I would ask.
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Re: [AFMUG] managed routers and parental controls

[Carl Peterson]

We use Plume for stuff like this.  It is a managed service they buy from us
on top of the internet and the customer gets a customized APP and we have a
backend NOC and cloud support much like you would get with Calix.  I'd
probably do it with Calix if it were 100% up to me but there are pros and
cons to each.

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 11:43 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Cambium has the new 3rd party integration. We have been looking into it
> and it will probably worth a poke.i can't remember what's it's called thou,
> it's in the release notes
>
> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020, 11:01 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Generally I'm against Mikrotik as a managed router, specifically because
>> you can't turn anything over to the customer.  Even fairly knowledgeable
>> consumers won't know what to do with a Mikrotik, and they could do some
>> dangerous stuff.
>>
>> With Cambium CnPilot (and probably most products made for this purpose)
>> the customer can have a separate login with less rights and get a simple
>> "Linksys" style webpage to do stuff like that.  The time based rules are
>> usually built in feature.  I'm pretty damn sure they exist in the CnPilot,
>> but I'm not in a position to check right now.
>>
>> When the subject said "parental controls" I thought it was going to be
>> blocking porno.  I'm 100% hands off on that for a lot of reasons.   I
>> looked into it providing it as a service, but I just don't think there
>> would be enough demand to make it viable.  Even if it was viable I'm not
>> sure I'd want to take responsibility for it.
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/28/2020 11:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> Those of you who supply managed routers (especially if you do this for
>> everybody), do you set up parental controls?
>>
>>
>>
>> I had a request today from someone who wanted to turn off Internet at
>> night to keep his 3 kids from using their devices.  I thought this was kind
>> of silly since they are 21, 23 and 24 years old.  (Maybe like senators who
>> have to put their devices in a cubby in the cloakroom.  OK, I just thought
>> that, didn’t say it out loud.)
>>
>>
>>
>> This guy has a leased Mikrotik from us, and Mikrotik does have a Kids
>> control feature that could probably do this.  But I don’t want to get into
>> this, especially because I fear constant requests to override or tweak the
>> settings.  I also don’t want to give customers management control over a
>> router that we are supposed to be managing.
>>
>>
>>
>> And in this case he wanted to do it across the board, but many people
>> might want it set up by MAC address for each person in the family, so maybe
>> the older kids would have later bedtimes and the parents wouldn’t have any
>> restrictions.  Or they might want the bandwidth restricted so the kids
>> could do schoolwork but not stream video.
>>
>>
>>
>> What do you guys do?  I’m going to guess Calix maybe has a cloud portal
>> where the customer can do things like this on their own, while some
>> settings are restricted to the carrier?  What about other cloud managed
>> routers like the Cambium stuff?
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium POE Splitter

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah, that might work, but that's just going to be putting both SM's on the
same layer 2 network anyway... it'd be simpler/cheaper to just throw a
MikroTik PowerBox up there, if that's acceptable.

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 11:55 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Is this ePMP or 450?  I wonder if you could enable POE out on the AUX port
> of a 450i SM to run a second SM?  Multiple problems, like 450i SM needs
> 48V, plus Cambium never talks about using the AUX port for another SM but
> rather for things like cameras.  I’m not sure if the AUX port POE out is 48
> or 24 volts.  Plus the 450i SM is hideously expensive.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Carl Peterson
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 28, 2020 11:45 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium POE Splitter
>
>
>
> I've never done it, but UBNT has some gigabit 24V A+B POE injectors for
> AirFiber.  You should just be able to split it out on both sides so A POE
> powers one and B POE powers the other.  If the topside devices cant take
> power on the data pins, you would need to pick the power off with gigabit
> power taps and put it back onto the power pins.  Much (1000X) easier to
> just use a Netonxi 6 min in one of their little plastic od enclosures.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 11:32 AM Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
> There are ways you could do power on two pairs... might not be very
> pretty, but it can certainly be done.
>
> It's hard to say what would be the best way to do it, without knowing
> exactly what we're trying to accomplish.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 10:30 AM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
> You can do fast Ethernet with 2 pair, I'm not aware of a way to send power
> up there as well, however.
>
> On Tuesday, January 28, 2020, Matt  wrote:
>
> I have a case where I need to power up two separate Cambium 24 volt
> SMs on rooftop but only need 100base to each.  Its very difficult to
> run the second wire at this location which I need.  Anyone know of way
> to split the cat5 at bottom and top to do this?  Not likely but
> thought I would ask.
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium POE Splitter

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah... depending on what the goal is, you could do the same thing with two
separate Gigabit POE injectors too, you'd just need to have you cat5 cables
wired appropriately. Depending on specifically what type of SM we're
talking about, you might be able to feed them power on the data pairs, in
which case it'd be pretty simple (some of the ePMP SMs can, others can't...
I don't know about PMP450). If you have to split the power back off at the
top, you'll end up with a bit of a rat's nest of wiring.

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 11:46 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> I've never done it, but UBNT has some gigabit 24V A+B POE injectors for
> AirFiber.  You should just be able to split it out on both sides so A POE
> powers one and B POE powers the other.  If the topside devices cant take
> power on the data pins, you would need to pick the power off with gigabit
> power taps and put it back onto the power pins.  Much (1000X) easier to
> just use a Netonxi 6 min in one of their little plastic od enclosures.
>
> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 11:32 AM Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> There are ways you could do power on two pairs... might not be very
>> pretty, but it can certainly be done.
>> It's hard to say what would be the best way to do it, without knowing
>> exactly what we're trying to accomplish.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 10:30 AM Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> You can do fast Ethernet with 2 pair, I'm not aware of a way to send
>>> power up there as well, however.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 28, 2020, Matt  wrote:
>>>
 I have a case where I need to power up two separate Cambium 24 volt
 SMs on rooftop but only need 100base to each.  Its very difficult to
 run the second wire at this location which I need.  Anyone know of way
 to split the cat5 at bottom and top to do this?  Not likely but
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium POE Splitter

[Ken Hohhof]

Is this ePMP or 450?  I wonder if you could enable POE out on the AUX port of a 
450i SM to run a second SM?  Multiple problems, like 450i SM needs 48V, plus 
Cambium never talks about using the AUX port for another SM but rather for 
things like cameras.  I’m not sure if the AUX port POE out is 48 or 24 volts.  
Plus the 450i SM is hideously expensive.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 11:45 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium POE Splitter

 

I've never done it, but UBNT has some gigabit 24V A+B POE injectors for 
AirFiber.  You should just be able to split it out on both sides so A POE 
powers one and B POE powers the other.  If the topside devices cant take power 
on the data pins, you would need to pick the power off with gigabit power taps 
and put it back onto the power pins.  Much (1000X) easier to just use a Netonxi 
6 min in one of their little plastic od enclosures.  

 

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 11:32 AM Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com> > wrote:

There are ways you could do power on two pairs... might not be very pretty, but 
it can certainly be done.

It's hard to say what would be the best way to do it, without knowing exactly 
what we're trying to accomplish.

 

 

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 10:30 AM Jason McKemie 
mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> > 
wrote:

You can do fast Ethernet with 2 pair, I'm not aware of a way to send power up 
there as well, however.

On Tuesday, January 28, 2020, Matt mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I have a case where I need to power up two separate Cambium 24 volt
SMs on rooftop but only need 100base to each.  Its very difficult to
run the second wire at this location which I need.  Anyone know of way
to split the cat5 at bottom and top to do this?  Not likely but
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium POE Splitter

[Carl Peterson]

I've never done it, but UBNT has some gigabit 24V A+B POE injectors for
AirFiber.  You should just be able to split it out on both sides so A POE
powers one and B POE powers the other.  If the topside devices cant take
power on the data pins, you would need to pick the power off with gigabit
power taps and put it back onto the power pins.  Much (1000X) easier to
just use a Netonxi 6 min in one of their little plastic od enclosures.

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 11:32 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> There are ways you could do power on two pairs... might not be very
> pretty, but it can certainly be done.
> It's hard to say what would be the best way to do it, without knowing
> exactly what we're trying to accomplish.
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 10:30 AM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> You can do fast Ethernet with 2 pair, I'm not aware of a way to send
>> power up there as well, however.
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 28, 2020, Matt  wrote:
>>
>>> I have a case where I need to power up two separate Cambium 24 volt
>>> SMs on rooftop but only need 100base to each.  Its very difficult to
>>> run the second wire at this location which I need.  Anyone know of way
>>> to split the cat5 at bottom and top to do this?  Not likely but
>>> thought I would ask.
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Re: [AFMUG] managed routers and parental controls

[Steve Jones]

Cambium has the new 3rd party integration. We have been looking into it and
it will probably worth a poke.i can't remember what's it's called thou,
it's in the release notes

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020, 11:01 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Generally I'm against Mikrotik as a managed router, specifically because
> you can't turn anything over to the customer.  Even fairly knowledgeable
> consumers won't know what to do with a Mikrotik, and they could do some
> dangerous stuff.
>
> With Cambium CnPilot (and probably most products made for this purpose)
> the customer can have a separate login with less rights and get a simple
> "Linksys" style webpage to do stuff like that.  The time based rules are
> usually built in feature.  I'm pretty damn sure they exist in the CnPilot,
> but I'm not in a position to check right now.
>
> When the subject said "parental controls" I thought it was going to be
> blocking porno.  I'm 100% hands off on that for a lot of reasons.   I
> looked into it providing it as a service, but I just don't think there
> would be enough demand to make it viable.  Even if it was viable I'm not
> sure I'd want to take responsibility for it.
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
> On 1/28/2020 11:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Those of you who supply managed routers (especially if you do this for
> everybody), do you set up parental controls?
>
>
>
> I had a request today from someone who wanted to turn off Internet at
> night to keep his 3 kids from using their devices.  I thought this was kind
> of silly since they are 21, 23 and 24 years old.  (Maybe like senators who
> have to put their devices in a cubby in the cloakroom.  OK, I just thought
> that, didn’t say it out loud.)
>
>
>
> This guy has a leased Mikrotik from us, and Mikrotik does have a Kids
> control feature that could probably do this.  But I don’t want to get into
> this, especially because I fear constant requests to override or tweak the
> settings.  I also don’t want to give customers management control over a
> router that we are supposed to be managing.
>
>
>
> And in this case he wanted to do it across the board, but many people
> might want it set up by MAC address for each person in the family, so maybe
> the older kids would have later bedtimes and the parents wouldn’t have any
> restrictions.  Or they might want the bandwidth restricted so the kids
> could do schoolwork but not stream video.
>
>
>
> What do you guys do?  I’m going to guess Calix maybe has a cloud portal
> where the customer can do things like this on their own, while some
> settings are restricted to the carrier?  What about other cloud managed
> routers like the Cambium stuff?
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium POE Splitter

[Mathew Howard]

There are ways you could do power on two pairs... might not be very pretty,
but it can certainly be done.
It's hard to say what would be the best way to do it, without knowing
exactly what we're trying to accomplish.


On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 10:30 AM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> You can do fast Ethernet with 2 pair, I'm not aware of a way to send power
> up there as well, however.
>
> On Tuesday, January 28, 2020, Matt  wrote:
>
>> I have a case where I need to power up two separate Cambium 24 volt
>> SMs on rooftop but only need 100base to each.  Its very difficult to
>> run the second wire at this location which I need.  Anyone know of way
>> to split the cat5 at bottom and top to do this?  Not likely but
>> thought I would ask.
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Re: [AFMUG] managed routers and parental controls

[Adam Moffett]

Generally I'm against Mikrotik as a managed router, specifically because 
you can't turn anything over to the customer.  Even fairly knowledgeable 
consumers won't know what to do with a Mikrotik, and they could do some 
dangerous stuff.


With Cambium CnPilot (and probably most products made for this purpose) 
the customer can have a separate login with less rights and get a simple 
"Linksys" style webpage to do stuff like that. The time based rules are 
usually built in feature.  I'm pretty damn sure they exist in the 
CnPilot, but I'm not in a position to check right now.


When the subject said "parental controls" I thought it was going to be 
blocking porno.  I'm 100% hands off on that for a lot of reasons.   I 
looked into it providing it as a service, but I just don't think there 
would be enough demand to make it viable.  Even if it was viable I'm not 
sure I'd want to take responsibility for it.


-Adam



On 1/28/2020 11:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Those of you who supply managed routers (especially if you do this for 
everybody), do you set up parental controls?


I had a request today from someone who wanted to turn off Internet at 
night to keep his 3 kids from using their devices.  I thought this was 
kind of silly since they are 21, 23 and 24 years old.  (Maybe like 
senators who have to put their devices in a cubby in the cloakroom.  
OK, I just thought that, didn’t say it out loud.)


This guy has a leased Mikrotik from us, and Mikrotik does have a Kids 
control feature that could probably do this.  But I don’t want to get 
into this, especially because I fear constant requests to override or 
tweak the settings.  I also don’t want to give customers management 
control over a router that we are supposed to be managing.


And in this case he wanted to do it across the board, but many people 
might want it set up by MAC address for each person in the family, so 
maybe the older kids would have later bedtimes and the parents 
wouldn’t have any restrictions.  Or they might want the bandwidth 
restricted so the kids could do schoolwork but not stream video.


What do you guys do?  I’m going to guess Calix maybe has a cloud 
portal where the customer can do things like this on their own, while 
some settings are restricted to the carrier?  What about other cloud 
managed routers like the Cambium stuff?



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Re: [AFMUG] Calix (was RE: Google/Nest WiFi speedtest)

[Darin Steffl]

We also committed to purchasing 1500 Calix routers and got a deal we're
happy with. We spread the shipments out 150 at a time every couple months
and it worked well.

If you're having trouble with sales guys returning calls, reach out to this
contact and ask him to help. Be respectful but he should be able to light a
fire for you.

skip.hirv...@calix.com

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020, 10:30 AM Cassidy B. Larson  wrote:

> Just like all other vendors, your price is based on the QTY you order.
> You have more leverage to get better pricing if you order more QTY.
>
> We ordered 1000 Calix units last year and got a GREAT deal. Then they
> allowed us to spread out shipment delivery to 100 a month.
>
> We do the same thing with our radio vendors too.  It gives them months to
> know what kind of stock they need to keep on hand to fulfill our orders.
>
>
>
> On Jan 28, 2020, at 9:05 AM, Tushar Patel  wrote:
>
> My experience with Calix sales people is horrendous!!
>
> They don’t return calls or email  weeks at a time!!
>
> Can’t even get a quote out of this guys!!
>
> I hope that is not how their supports works too.
>
> How can you do business with a company who can’t even give a quote and
> what I have heard is everyone gets different price too!!
>
> Tushar
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Ryan Hill
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 28, 2020 7:24 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Calix (was RE: Google/Nest WiFi speedtest)
>
> Mike’s our Sales Rep, he relocated to Kentucky.  I can share your contact
> info with him if you’d like
>
>
>
>
>
> * Ryan Hill *
>Operations Manager
>  *Amplex I**nternet*
>   (419)837-5015 Ext 1047
>   www.amplex.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 27, 2020, at 6:38 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>
> Yeah, Mike did live in Naperville. I forget at times that there's a
> cluster of people on the list that know where Naperville is.
>
> I've worked with Liz as well. I've attached her information here.
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Monday, January 27, 2020 5:21:48 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Calix (was RE: Google/Nest WiFi speedtest)
> I remember talking to a Mike Carpinelli at a WISPAmerica, I’d have to dig
> out his card, but I think you’re right he lived in Naperville or
> something.  But I also remember various “team” members named Liz, Brian,
> Scott.  I don’t remember who did what.  I think Liz, maybe last name
> Christie, was Great Lakes region manager?  But they should be easy enough
> to contact and find out who to deal with.  First step: NDA.
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Monday, January 27, 2020 12:09 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Calix (was RE: Google/Nest WiFi speedtest)
>
>
> Hrm, he must have moved. He used to live not far from me.
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Monday, January 27, 2020 11:21:01 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Calix (was RE: Google/Nest WiFi speedtest)
> That's my guy for Ohio.  He lives in Kentucky.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 9:13 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> Mike's my regional guy. He's probably yours too.
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest 

Re: [AFMUG] managed routers and parental controls

[Darin Steffl]

Calix can do this direct on the router. Users have one login that allows
access to wifi stuff, dhcp, port forwarding, and scheduling access.

Thanks support login which only the ISP has has other settings like WAN
stuff, voip, etc that you don't want the customer to touch. There's also a
mobile app customers can download to achieve the same parental control.
Netvalet is the current app but it will be EOL soon and replaced with
Command IQ

I know you can't say this but the parents should also kick the kids out and
make them work and find their own place to live.

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020, 10:40 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Those of you who supply managed routers (especially if you do this for
> everybody), do you set up parental controls?
>
>
>
> I had a request today from someone who wanted to turn off Internet at
> night to keep his 3 kids from using their devices.  I thought this was kind
> of silly since they are 21, 23 and 24 years old.  (Maybe like senators who
> have to put their devices in a cubby in the cloakroom.  OK, I just thought
> that, didn’t say it out loud.)
>
>
>
> This guy has a leased Mikrotik from us, and Mikrotik does have a Kids
> control feature that could probably do this.  But I don’t want to get into
> this, especially because I fear constant requests to override or tweak the
> settings.  I also don’t want to give customers management control over a
> router that we are supposed to be managing.
>
>
>
> And in this case he wanted to do it across the board, but many people
> might want it set up by MAC address for each person in the family, so maybe
> the older kids would have later bedtimes and the parents wouldn’t have any
> restrictions.  Or they might want the bandwidth restricted so the kids
> could do schoolwork but not stream video.
>
>
>
> What do you guys do?  I’m going to guess Calix maybe has a cloud portal
> where the customer can do things like this on their own, while some
> settings are restricted to the carrier?  What about other cloud managed
> routers like the Cambium stuff?
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium POE Splitter

[Adam Moffett]

You could build a kit with two switches where each port gets it's own 
VLAN.  You could do it such that port 1 at the top = port 1 at the 
bottom, port 2 at the top = port 2 at the bottom, and so on.


That might be a reasonable way to do a small MDU when you do AAA and 
rate control per SM.


Generally it'd be cheaper to pull up 2-5 cables at once than it would be 
to buy the switches, but if you can't do multiple cables ,or if it's too 
labor intensive to do that, then this is not a crazy solution.




On 1/28/2020 11:35 AM, David Coudron wrote:
This of course would only work if you only need one ethernet 
connection at the bottom, but need two at the top.
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[AFMUG] managed routers and parental controls

[Ken Hohhof]

Those of you who supply managed routers (especially if you do this for
everybody), do you set up parental controls?

 

I had a request today from someone who wanted to turn off Internet at night
to keep his 3 kids from using their devices.  I thought this was kind of
silly since they are 21, 23 and 24 years old.  (Maybe like senators who have
to put their devices in a cubby in the cloakroom.  OK, I just thought that,
didn't say it out loud.)

 

This guy has a leased Mikrotik from us, and Mikrotik does have a Kids
control feature that could probably do this.  But I don't want to get into
this, especially because I fear constant requests to override or tweak the
settings.  I also don't want to give customers management control over a
router that we are supposed to be managing.

 

And in this case he wanted to do it across the board, but many people might
want it set up by MAC address for each person in the family, so maybe the
older kids would have later bedtimes and the parents wouldn't have any
restrictions.  Or they might want the bandwidth restricted so the kids could
do schoolwork but not stream video.

 

What do you guys do?  I'm going to guess Calix maybe has a cloud portal
where the customer can do things like this on their own, while some settings
are restricted to the carrier?  What about other cloud managed routers like
the Cambium stuff?

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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium POE Splitter

[Adam Moffett]

Newer Cambium SMs are polarity agnostic, but yeah good point that the 
blue/brown swap might be necessary depending on the model of SM.


On 1/28/2020 11:35 AM, David Coudron wrote:


Depending on what you mean by split, you could do a Cambium POE on the 
bottom and a POE powered switch on the top in some kind of weather 
proof enclosure.   You have to switch the blue and brown wires on both 
ends to get the POE side of things right, but we have done that in the 
past where we use a Ubiquiti power supply to power the Cambium radio. 
This of course would only work if you only need one ethernet 
connection at the bottom, but need two at the top.


Regards,

David Coudron

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 28, 2020 10:30 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium POE Splitter

You can do fast Ethernet with 2 pair, I'm not aware of a way to send 
power up there as well, however.


On Tuesday, January 28, 2020, Matt > wrote:


I have a case where I need to power up two separate Cambium 24 volt
SMs on rooftop but only need 100base to each.  Its very difficult to
run the second wire at this location which I need.  Anyone know of way
to split the cat5 at bottom and top to do this?  Not likely but
thought I would ask.

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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium POE Splitter

[David Coudron]

Depending on what you mean by split, you could do a Cambium POE on the bottom 
and a POE powered switch on the top in some kind of weather proof enclosure.   
You have to switch the blue and brown wires on both ends to get the POE side of 
things right, but we have done that in the past where we use a Ubiquiti power 
supply to power the Cambium radio.   This of course would only work if you only 
need one ethernet connection at the bottom, but need two at the top.

Regards,

David Coudron

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 10:30 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium POE Splitter

You can do fast Ethernet with 2 pair, I'm not aware of a way to send power up 
there as well, however.

On Tuesday, January 28, 2020, Matt 
mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I have a case where I need to power up two separate Cambium 24 volt
SMs on rooftop but only need 100base to each.  Its very difficult to
run the second wire at this location which I need.  Anyone know of way
to split the cat5 at bottom and top to do this?  Not likely but
thought I would ask.

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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium POE Splitter

[Adam Moffett]

A switch at the top.

Mikrotik and Ubiquiti both make outdoor PoE switches.  That's all I got.

If you need separate L2 paths for each SM then use a switch at top and 
bottom and a VLAN for each SM.



On 1/28/2020 11:29 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
You can do fast Ethernet with 2 pair, I'm not aware of a way to send 
power up there as well, however.


On Tuesday, January 28, 2020, Matt > wrote:


I have a case where I need to power up two separate Cambium 24 volt
SMs on rooftop but only need 100base to each.  Its very difficult to
run the second wire at this location which I need.  Anyone know of way
to split the cat5 at bottom and top to do this?  Not likely but
thought I would ask.

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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium POE Splitter

[Jason McKemie]

You can do fast Ethernet with 2 pair, I'm not aware of a way to send power
up there as well, however.

On Tuesday, January 28, 2020, Matt  wrote:

> I have a case where I need to power up two separate Cambium 24 volt
> SMs on rooftop but only need 100base to each.  Its very difficult to
> run the second wire at this location which I need.  Anyone know of way
> to split the cat5 at bottom and top to do this?  Not likely but
> thought I would ask.
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Re: [AFMUG] Calix (was RE: Google/Nest WiFi speedtest)

[Cassidy B. Larson]

Just like all other vendors, your price is based on the QTY you order.  You 
have more leverage to get better pricing if you order more QTY.

We ordered 1000 Calix units last year and got a GREAT deal. Then they allowed 
us to spread out shipment delivery to 100 a month. 

We do the same thing with our radio vendors too.  It gives them months to know 
what kind of stock they need to keep on hand to fulfill our orders. 



> On Jan 28, 2020, at 9:05 AM, Tushar Patel  wrote:
> 
> My experience with Calix sales people is horrendous!!
>  
> They don’t return calls or email  weeks at a time!! 
>  
> Can’t even get a quote out of this guys!!
>  
> I hope that is not how their supports works too.
>  
> How can you do business with a company who can’t even give a quote and what I 
> have heard is everyone gets different price too!!
>  
> Tushar
>  
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] On 
> Behalf Of Ryan Hill
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 7:24 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix (was RE: Google/Nest WiFi speedtest)
>  
> Mike’s our Sales Rep, he relocated to Kentucky.  I can share your contact 
> info with him if you’d like
> 
> 
>  
> 
>   
>  Ryan Hill 
>Operations Manager
>  Amplex Internet
>   (419)837-5015 Ext 1047 
>   www.amplex.net 
>  
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 27, 2020, at 6:38 PM, Mike Hammett > > wrote:
>>  
>> Yeah, Mike did live in Naperville. I forget at times that there's a cluster 
>> of people on the list that know where Naperville is.
>> 
>> I've worked with Liz as well. I've attached her information here.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>   
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>   
>>  
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > >
>> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 5:21:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix (was RE: Google/Nest WiFi speedtest)
>> 
>> I remember talking to a Mike Carpinelli at a WISPAmerica, I’d have to dig 
>> out his card, but I think you’re right he lived in Naperville or something.  
>> But I also remember various “team” members named Liz, Brian, Scott.  I don’t 
>> remember who did what.  I think Liz, maybe last name Christie, was Great 
>> Lakes region manager?  But they should be easy enough to contact and find 
>> out who to deal with.  First step: NDA.
>>  
>> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On 
>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 12:09 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > >
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix (was RE: Google/Nest WiFi speedtest)
>>  
>> Hrm, he must have moved. He used to live not far from me.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>   
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>   
>>  
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> From: "Josh Luthman" > >
>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > >
>> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 11:21:01 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix (was RE: Google/Nest WiFi speedtest)
>> 
>> That's my guy for Ohio.  He lives in Kentucky.
>>  
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>  
>>  
>> On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 9:13 AM Mike Hammett > > wrote:
>>> Mike's my regional guy. He's probably yours too.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>>   
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount Devices - Handles or No Handles

[Adam Moffett]

Maybe a stud with a square head where you can slip the handle on.  Like 
removable climbing steps on telephone poles.


.but yeah handles are nice to have, not need to have.

On 1/28/2020 2:23 AM, Jason Wilson wrote:
Make keyholes for handles?  If you happen to need them slide them on. 
Removeable. Keep 1 set in the go bag.


On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 10:09 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:


I'm wondering if anyone has strong opinions about handles on
rackmount devices.

I'm in the process of switching the enclosure manufacturer on the
RackInjector and in the process making some design changes that
should make things better for both us and our customers.  I don't
want to share too much just in case this doesn't work out - and
no, this isn't a change to hot-swappable cards.

With the design we're working on, the handles we have on the front
of the existing enclosure aren't very easy to implement in the new
design.   So I'm thinking about just dropping them to save the
hassle/pain/shipping issues/cost/etc/etc/etc.

My personal experience has been that although handles on
enclosures are nice when removing a device from a rack, they are
by no means necessary.  On occasion, I've also had handles become
a liability instead of a help.   But on the other hand, when a
device gets stuck in a rack (typically due to neighboring
devices), it is nice to have them to add leverage when removing
the enclosure.

I'm wondering what everyone else's thoughts on this are...

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[AFMUG] Cambium POE Splitter

[Matt]

I have a case where I need to power up two separate Cambium 24 volt
SMs on rooftop but only need 100base to each.  Its very difficult to
run the second wire at this location which I need.  Anyone know of way
to split the cat5 at bottom and top to do this?  Not likely but
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Re: [AFMUG] RackMount Devices - Handles or No Handles

[Ken Hohhof]

It appears there are handles that can be retrofitted into the area where the 
rack screws go.  Seem kind of silly to me though.

http://rack-handle.com/Rack%20Handle%20Datasheets/Piton1UHandle3001.PDF

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 9:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RackMount Devices - Handles or No Handles

 

Not a big concern for us.   If you get rid of the handles please leave a tapped 
hole in the center of the 1U bracket that matches the common rack screw (there 
are two standards - pick one) to use as a jack screw if the unit is being 
stubborn coming out of the rack.

 

Mark





On Jan 28, 2020, at 9:13 AM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

 

I can live without handles.

 

Not really a big deal unless it’s a super long, heavy server, and those 
typically go in 4 post racks or cabinets anyway with rear access.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Jason Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 1:24 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RackMount Devices - Handles or No Handles

 

Make keyholes for handles?  If you happen to need them slide them on. 
Removeable. Keep 1 set in the go bag. 

 

On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 10:09 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > wrote:

I'm wondering if anyone has strong opinions about handles on rackmount devices.

 

I'm in the process of switching the enclosure manufacturer on the RackInjector 
and in the process making some design changes that should make things better 
for both us and our customers.  I don't want to share too much just in case 
this doesn't work out - and no, this isn't a change to hot-swappable cards.

 

With the design we're working on, the handles we have on the front of the 
existing enclosure aren't very easy to implement in the new design.   So I'm 
thinking about just dropping them to save the hassle/pain/shipping 
issues/cost/etc/etc/etc.

 

My personal experience has been that although handles on enclosures are nice 
when removing a device from a rack, they are by no means necessary.   On 
occasion, I've also had handles become a liability instead of a help.   But on 
the other hand, when a device gets stuck in a rack (typically due to 
neighboring devices), it is nice to have them to add leverage when removing the 
enclosure.

 

I'm wondering what everyone else's thoughts on this are...

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Calix (was RE: Google/Nest WiFi speedtest)

[Tushar Patel]

My experience with Calix sales people is horrendous!!

 

They don’t return calls or email  weeks at a time!! 

 

Can’t even get a quote out of this guys!!

 

I hope that is not how their supports works too.

 

How can you do business with a company who can’t even give a quote and what I 
have heard is everyone gets different price too!!

 

Tushar

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Hill
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 7:24 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix (was RE: Google/Nest WiFi speedtest)

 

Mike’s our Sales Rep, he relocated to Kentucky.  I can share your contact info 
with him if you’d like





 


  

 Ryan Hill 

   Operations Manager

 Amplex Internet

  (419)837-5015 Ext 1047 

    www.amplex.net

 

 

 










On Jan 27, 2020, at 6:38 PM, Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

 

Yeah, Mike did live in Naperville. I forget at times that there's a cluster of 
people on the list that know where Naperville is.

I've worked with Liz as well. I've attached her information here.



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  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 





  _  


From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com> >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 5:21:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix (was RE: Google/Nest WiFi speedtest)

I remember talking to a Mike Carpinelli at a WISPAmerica, I’d have to dig out 
his card, but I think you’re right he lived in Naperville or something.  But I 
also remember various “team” members named Liz, Brian, Scott.  I don’t remember 
who did what.  I think Liz, maybe last name Christie, was Great Lakes region 
manager?  But they should be easy enough to contact and find out who to deal 
with.  First step: NDA.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 12:09 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix (was RE: Google/Nest WiFi speedtest)

 

Hrm, he must have moved. He used to live not far from me.



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  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 





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From: "Josh Luthman" mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 11:21:01 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix (was RE: Google/Nest WiFi speedtest)

That's my guy for Ohio.  He lives in Kentucky.


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 9:13 AM Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

Mike's my regional guy. He's probably yours too.



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From: "Jason McKemie" mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 2:52:12 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix (was RE: Google/Nest WiFi speedtest)

Gotcha, thanks.

 

So you are buying your hardware direct from Calix?  Do you have a contact 
there? 

 

On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 1:59 PM Darin Steffl mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> > wrote:

Calix used to 

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount Devices - Handles or No Handles

[Matt]

Kind of like handles but not essential.  Be super nice if it fit in this though.
https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-Hinged-Mounting-Bracket-WALLMOUNTH1/dp/B9ADH3

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 12:09 AM Forrest Christian (List Account)
 wrote:
>
> I'm wondering if anyone has strong opinions about handles on rackmount 
> devices.
>
> I'm in the process of switching the enclosure manufacturer on the 
> RackInjector and in the process making some design changes that should make 
> things better for both us and our customers.  I don't want to share too much 
> just in case this doesn't work out - and no, this isn't a change to 
> hot-swappable cards.
>
> With the design we're working on, the handles we have on the front of the 
> existing enclosure aren't very easy to implement in the new design.   So I'm 
> thinking about just dropping them to save the hassle/pain/shipping 
> issues/cost/etc/etc/etc.
>
> My personal experience has been that although handles on enclosures are nice 
> when removing a device from a rack, they are by no means necessary.   On 
> occasion, I've also had handles become a liability instead of a help.   But 
> on the other hand, when a device gets stuck in a rack (typically due to 
> neighboring devices), it is nice to have them to add leverage when removing 
> the enclosure.
>
> I'm wondering what everyone else's thoughts on this are...
>
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Re: [AFMUG] RackMount Devices - Handles or No Handles

[Mark Radabaugh]

Not a big concern for us.   If you get rid of the handles please leave a tapped 
hole in the center of the 1U bracket that matches the common rack screw (there 
are two standards - pick one) to use as a jack screw if the unit is being 
stubborn coming out of the rack.

Mark

> On Jan 28, 2020, at 9:13 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> I can live without handles.
>  
> Not really a big deal unless it’s a super long, heavy server, and those 
> typically go in 4 post racks or cabinets anyway with rear access.
>  
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf 
> Of Jason Wilson
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 1:24 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RackMount Devices - Handles or No Handles
>  
> Make keyholes for handles?  If you happen to need them slide them on. 
> Removeable. Keep 1 set in the go bag. 
>  
> On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 10:09 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
> mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:
>> I'm wondering if anyone has strong opinions about handles on rackmount 
>> devices.
>>  
>> I'm in the process of switching the enclosure manufacturer on the 
>> RackInjector and in the process making some design changes that should make 
>> things better for both us and our customers.  I don't want to share too much 
>> just in case this doesn't work out - and no, this isn't a change to 
>> hot-swappable cards.
>>  
>> With the design we're working on, the handles we have on the front of the 
>> existing enclosure aren't very easy to implement in the new design.   So I'm 
>> thinking about just dropping them to save the hassle/pain/shipping 
>> issues/cost/etc/etc/etc.
>>  
>> My personal experience has been that although handles on enclosures are nice 
>> when removing a device from a rack, they are by no means necessary.   On 
>> occasion, I've also had handles become a liability instead of a help.   But 
>> on the other hand, when a device gets stuck in a rack (typically due to 
>> neighboring devices), it is nice to have them to add leverage when removing 
>> the enclosure.
>>  
>> I'm wondering what everyone else's thoughts on this are...
>>  
>> -- 
>> - Forrest
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>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com 
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] RackMount Devices - Handles or No Handles

[Eric Muehleisen]

I'd rather see an option to easily remove the top panel to get easier
access to the cards/pins. The RackInjector is super light. If at some point
you include an internal power supply the weight might warrant some handles.

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 12:09 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> I'm wondering if anyone has strong opinions about handles on
> rackmount devices.
>
> I'm in the process of switching the enclosure manufacturer on the
> RackInjector and in the process making some design changes that should make
> things better for both us and our customers.  I don't want to share too
> much just in case this doesn't work out - and no, this isn't a change to
> hot-swappable cards.
>
> With the design we're working on, the handles we have on the front of the
> existing enclosure aren't very easy to implement in the new design.   So
> I'm thinking about just dropping them to save the hassle/pain/shipping
> issues/cost/etc/etc/etc.
>
> My personal experience has been that although handles on enclosures are
> nice when removing a device from a rack, they are by no means necessary.
>  On occasion, I've also had handles become a liability instead of a help.
>  But on the other hand, when a device gets stuck in a rack (typically due
> to neighboring devices), it is nice to have them to add leverage when
> removing the enclosure.
>
> I'm wondering what everyone else's thoughts on this are...
>
> --
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Re: [AFMUG] RackMount Devices - Handles or No Handles

[Ken Hohhof]

I can live without handles.

 

Not really a big deal unless it’s a super long, heavy server, and those 
typically go in 4 post racks or cabinets anyway with rear access.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jason Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 1:24 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RackMount Devices - Handles or No Handles

 

Make keyholes for handles?  If you happen to need them slide them on. 
Removeable. Keep 1 set in the go bag. 

 

On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 10:09 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > wrote:

I'm wondering if anyone has strong opinions about handles on rackmount devices.

 

I'm in the process of switching the enclosure manufacturer on the RackInjector 
and in the process making some design changes that should make things better 
for both us and our customers.  I don't want to share too much just in case 
this doesn't work out - and no, this isn't a change to hot-swappable cards.

 

With the design we're working on, the handles we have on the front of the 
existing enclosure aren't very easy to implement in the new design.   So I'm 
thinking about just dropping them to save the hassle/pain/shipping 
issues/cost/etc/etc/etc.

 

My personal experience has been that although handles on enclosures are nice 
when removing a device from a rack, they are by no means necessary.   On 
occasion, I've also had handles become a liability instead of a help.   But on 
the other hand, when a device gets stuck in a rack (typically due to 
neighboring devices), it is nice to have them to add leverage when removing the 
enclosure.

 

I'm wondering what everyone else's thoughts on this are...

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Commercial Sales

[Matt Hoppes]

Good points. 

> On Jan 28, 2020, at 8:30 AM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:
> 
> Gotcha. I think Ken has a better approach. But, if you are really looking for 
> the whole state, I would maybe not think of them as a sales person. More of a 
> Channel Manager. Their job would be to go out and build those partnerships 
> Ken mentioned and to setup a program, train partners, continue to measure 
> their success, cull the ones that don't continue to perform, and develop the 
> channel by continuing to bring in more highly qualified partners. It also 
> takes your target from tens of thousands to a few thousand IT people.
> it seems that approach would lead to more sales that are better qualified and 
> likely of a higher tier than a straight salesperson who would likely end up 
> just taking calls from inside sales.
> 
> In addition, a channel manager would be easier to manage and much easier to 
> find than the type of aggressive sales person you are going to need. We use 
> Hubspot to promote through our web site and track the sales process. No 
> matter what path you decide on I recommend it highly. Not cheap but good 
> results and great tracking from first look through to sales cycle completion.
> 
>> On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 6:43 AM Matt Hoppes 
>>  wrote:
>> To bring in larger commercial sales that aren’t natively calling. 
>> 
>>> On Jan 27, 2020, at 10:25 PM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I guess I don't understand why you would want to pay a salesperson with a 
>>> 100% close rate. Why not spend the money on either front line phone 
>>> answering people or installers? If you have more than a 2 day wait list it 
>>> seems pointless to guess sales staff. 
>>> 
 On Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 8:31 PM Matt Hoppes 
  wrote:
 I know you don’t believe it but it’s true. 
 
 I see you don’t include pricing on your website. We do. I suspect that 
 contributes to some of the difference. 
 
 When people call us they’ve already looked at the webpage and aren’t so 
 much calling for pricing as much as calling to get service. 
 
> On Jan 27, 2020, at 9:22 PM, Darin Steffl  wrote:
> 
> Matt,
> 
> Plenty of people call who are price shopping. They're paying $30 to $55 
> per month with a competitor for worse service. But they call and ask if 
> we can offer faster service for the same or less money. We give them our 
> pricing and if it's $1 more than what they have now, they go radio 
> silent. This isn't everyone obviously but it's a significant number of 
> the 35% who don't commit to our service. 
> 
> I know your numbers are exaggerated because there is simply nowhere near 
> a 100% close rate on ISP sales. I don't believe your claim. Sorry 
> 
>> On Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 7:27 PM Matt Hoppes 
>>  wrote:
>> Not exaggerated. 
>> 
>> Folks who call us are ready to dump Comcast. It’s barely a sell and more 
>> a schedule of when we can get there. 
>> 
>> Same with businesses who call. They already made their mind up they want 
>> us when they call. 
>> 
>> I’m trying to drum up sales for folks who haven’t called or don’t know 
>> of us. 
>> 
>> Why would someone call and then not signup?  Literally the only folks 
>> who don’t signup on the first call are folks outside our coverage area. 
>> 
>>> On Jan 27, 2020, at 8:18 PM, Darin Steffl  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have to assume you're exaggerating with a 100% close rate. That's 
>>> literally not possible.
>>> 
>>> Looking at our stats of current and canceled subs, then comparing it to 
>>> serviceable subs who didn't go with us, we're at a 65% close rate for 
>>> residential. Very fair in my opinion. We are definitely not cheap. Our 
>>> minimum is now $65 monthly but I feel good not having as many cheap and 
>>> complaining customers. 
>>> 
 On Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 7:13 PM Lewis Bergman  
 wrote:
 Wow... Sounds like you are to cheap. Just kidding. I assume you have 
 little to no completion. 
 
> On Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 6:29 PM Matt Hoppes 
>  wrote:
> Our close ratio of leads we get is 100%. So not likely. This person 
> would be drumming up new leads that are not organically coming in. 
> 
>> On Jan 27, 2020, at 7:16 PM, Lewis Bergman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I would hope an effective sales person in the position you describe 
>> could triple the close ratio of the leads you get currently and 
>> generate a few every month you are not currently seeing. 
>> 
>>> On Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 6:06 PM Matt Hoppes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> We are looking at hiring a commercial sales rep. 
>>> 
>>> Their job would be to sell direct to larger businesses dedicated 
>>> fiber internet service. 
>>> 
>>> Assuming a 

Re: [AFMUG] Commercial Sales

[Lewis Bergman]

Gotcha. I think Ken has a better approach. But, if you are really looking
for the whole state, I would maybe not think of them as a sales person.
More of a Channel Manager. Their job would be to go out and build those
partnerships Ken mentioned and to setup a program, train partners, continue
to measure their success, cull the ones that don't continue to perform, and
develop the channel by continuing to bring in more highly qualified
partners. It also takes your target from tens of thousands to a few
thousand IT people.
it seems that approach would lead to more sales that are better qualified
and likely of a higher tier than a straight salesperson who would likely
end up just taking calls from inside sales.

In addition, a channel manager would be easier to manage and much easier to
find than the type of aggressive sales person you are going to need. We use
Hubspot to promote through our web site and track the sales process. No
matter what path you decide on I recommend it highly. Not cheap but good
results and great tracking from first look through to sales cycle
completion.

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 6:43 AM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> To bring in larger commercial sales that aren’t natively calling.
>
> On Jan 27, 2020, at 10:25 PM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
> I guess I don't understand why you would want to pay a salesperson with a
> 100% close rate. Why not spend the money on either front line phone
> answering people or installers? If you have more than a 2 day wait list it
> seems pointless to guess sales staff.
>
> On Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 8:31 PM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> I know you don’t believe it but it’s true.
>>
>> I see you don’t include pricing on your website. We do. I suspect that
>> contributes to some of the difference.
>>
>> When people call us they’ve already looked at the webpage and aren’t so
>> much calling for pricing as much as calling to get service.
>>
>> On Jan 27, 2020, at 9:22 PM, Darin Steffl 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Matt,
>>
>> Plenty of people call who are price shopping. They're paying $30 to $55 per
>> month with a competitor for worse service. But they call and ask if we can
>> offer faster service for the same or less money. We give them our pricing
>> and if it's $1 more than what they have now, they go radio silent. This
>> isn't everyone obviously but it's a significant number of the 35% who don't
>> commit to our service.
>>
>> I know your numbers are exaggerated because there is simply nowhere near
>> a 100% close rate on ISP sales. I don't believe your claim. Sorry
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 7:27 PM Matt Hoppes <
>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Not exaggerated.
>>>
>>> Folks who call us are ready to dump Comcast. It’s barely a sell and more
>>> a schedule of when we can get there.
>>>
>>> Same with businesses who call. They already made their mind up they want
>>> us when they call.
>>>
>>> I’m trying to drum up sales for folks who haven’t called or don’t know
>>> of us.
>>>
>>> Why would someone call and then not signup?  Literally the only folks
>>> who don’t signup on the first call are folks outside our coverage area.
>>>
>>> On Jan 27, 2020, at 8:18 PM, Darin Steffl 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have to assume you're exaggerating with a 100% close rate. That's
>>> literally not possible.
>>>
>>> Looking at our stats of current and canceled subs, then comparing it to
>>> serviceable subs who didn't go with us, we're at a 65% close rate for
>>> residential. Very fair in my opinion. We are definitely not cheap. Our
>>> minimum is now $65 monthly but I feel good not having as many cheap and
>>> complaining customers.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 7:13 PM Lewis Bergman 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Wow... Sounds like you are to cheap. Just kidding. I assume you have
 little to no completion.

 On Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 6:29 PM Matt Hoppes <
 mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Our close ratio of leads we get is 100%. So not likely. This person
> would be drumming up new leads that are not organically coming in.
>
> On Jan 27, 2020, at 7:16 PM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
> I would hope an effective sales person in the position you describe
> could triple the close ratio of the leads you get currently and generate a
> few every month you are not currently seeing.
>
> On Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 6:06 PM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> We are looking at hiring a commercial sales rep.
>>
>> Their job would be to sell direct to larger businesses dedicated
>> fiber internet service.
>>
>> Assuming a sales area the size of Pennsylvania - is it reasonable to
>> assume a closed sale count for business fiber customers of 4-6 accounts 
>> per
>> month?
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>>
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Calix (was RE: Google/Nest WiFi speedtest)

[Ryan Hill]

Mike’s our Sales Rep, he relocated to Kentucky.  I can share your contact info 
with him if you’d like



  
 Ryan Hill 
   Operations Manager
 Amplex Internet
  (419)837-5015 Ext 1047 
  www.amplex.net 






> On Jan 27, 2020, at 6:38 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, Mike did live in Naperville. I forget at times that there's a cluster 
> of people on the list that know where Naperville is.
> 
> I've worked with Liz as well. I've attached her information here.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>   
>  
>  
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>   
>  
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
>  
> 
> 
>  
> From: "Ken Hohhof" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 5:21:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix (was RE: Google/Nest WiFi speedtest)
> 
> I remember talking to a Mike Carpinelli at a WISPAmerica, I’d have to dig out 
> his card, but I think you’re right he lived in Naperville or something.  But 
> I also remember various “team” members named Liz, Brian, Scott.  I don’t 
> remember who did what.  I think Liz, maybe last name Christie, was Great 
> Lakes region manager?  But they should be easy enough to contact and find out 
> who to deal with.  First step: NDA.
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 12:09 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix (was RE: Google/Nest WiFi speedtest)
>  
> Hrm, he must have moved. He used to live not far from me.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>   
>  
>  
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>   
>  
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
>  
> 
> 
>  
> From: "Josh Luthman"  >
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  >
> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 11:21:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix (was RE: Google/Nest WiFi speedtest)
> 
> That's my guy for Ohio.  He lives in Kentucky.
>  
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>  
>  
> On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 9:13 AM Mike Hammett  > wrote:
> Mike's my regional guy. He's probably yours too.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>   
>  
>  
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>   
>  
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
>  
> 
> 
>  
> From: "Jason McKemie"  >
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  >
> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 2:52:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix (was RE: Google/Nest WiFi speedtest)
> 
> Gotcha, thanks.
>  
> So you are buying your hardware direct from Calix?  Do you have a contact 
> there? 
>  
> On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 1:59 PM Darin Steffl  > wrote:
> Calix used to be an add-on at $50 upfront and $10 per month. We've since 
> increased all our plans $10 per month and now the first router is FREE and 
> customers love it. If they need a mesh, it's just $5 per month, nothing 
> upfront.
>  
> This has gotten our take rates 99% for new customers and we've had great luck 
> upgrading existing customers too because they get a speed increase and a free 
> router for just $10 more with our new plans.
>  
> On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 1:47 PM Jason McKemie 
> mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> 
> wrote:
> So are you including this as part of the service or is