Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Here is another way to run a single power source up the tower and then
branch off that and remote power cycle the branches:
https://streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DIN%2DRelay=0


On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:34 PM Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> Use a media converter and access the Packetflux over fiber too. :)
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:29 PM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> I like this, and it’s very similar to what I have been thinking of.
>>
>> On the power side, I am considering doing power distribution at the top.
>> You can retain IP based power control if you use something like a
>> PacketFlux 5ch PDU with a SiteMonitor.  Both are tiny and could likely fit
>> in the same enclosure as your fiber.  You would however have to run a
>> single CAT5 up the tower for the SiteMonitor.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 30, 2020, at 11:23 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I have been researching this heavily over the past few days and this is
>> what I am "thinking" about doing for fiber and power up tower.
>>
>> 1. Run a MPT/MPO fiber trunk cable up tower (12 fibers)
>> https://www.fs.com/products/68017.html  (indoor version but
>> available immediately in USA shipping)(could use this temporarily)
>> https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html  (custom length rugged outdoor
>> version but takes 30 days to get here from Asia)
>>
>> 2. Run each end of the MPT Trunk into a "MPT-12 to 6x LC Duplex Cassette"
>> (tower top this will be in an enclosure)
>> https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>>
>> 3. Run custom length FTTA LC connector Patch cables from the Tower Top
>> enclosure to each radio SFP
>> https://www.fs.com/c/ftta-patch-cables-3856
>>
>> 4. For Power run individual power wires or a combination of
>> multi-conductor wire "cord style." The cord below is 12 guage but has 4
>> conductors. If wired properly you could individually power 3 radios and use
>> a common ground wire and still be able to power cycle the 3 radios from the
>> ground. If I need 6 radios I will run a second cord. My towers are only
>> 150' tall so I think 12 guage should be more than big enough for me even
>> with Medusa AP's.
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/250-ft-12-4-SJOOW-SJO-SJ-SJ00W-Black-Rubber-Cord-Outdoor-Flexible-Wire-Cable/143388108175?hash=item216298e58f:g:KSQAAOSwA0JclR2G
>>
>>
>> I would run the power cords and fiber trunks into a common tower top
>> enclosure and wire out from there. I really like this Trunk cable idea with
>> the fiber because If done right there will be absolutely no splicing of
>> fiber at all. If the Trunk cable goes bad just run a new one up and plug it
>> into the Cassettes and everything should keep working. You could
>> standardize on a couple different lengths of the MPT fiber trunk 150' or
>> 250' and just stock those and coil up excess cable outside or something.
>>
>> I was un-aware that Medusa AP's needed 8 gauge wire at 300' but i guess
>> it could make sense.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:33 PM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>
>>> Would you happen to have a link handy for the specific OFDC that you are
>>> talking about?  I'm trying to spec out a similar situation right now.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:28 PM Adam Moffett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 In the past I went with individual pre terminated cable assemblies.  I
 went with a "core locked" fiber rather than a loose tube so there wouldn't
 be any icky pick oozing out.  The connectors were LC duplex because the
 radio manufacturer's approved SFP's were LC duplex (for both Trango and
 Telrad).  I went with individual cables because any tower climber can
 replace a cable, but I don't expect most tower climbers to be able to
 splice or terminate fiber.

 Today I'd strongly consider a Commscope OFDC enclosure up on the
 tower.  I'd use a 24F and pre-splice all the connectors in the OFDC and
 have the tower guys hang the whole assembly.  Then it would be pre
 terminated jumpers from the OFDC to the equipment.


 On 3/30/2020 5:34 PM, Matt wrote:

 What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors?


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Re: [AFMUG] AF11 custom combiner

[Kurt Fankhauser]

10k-11k per link on Aviat with full throughput license. That includes
Dish's and SFP's, power/fiber cable everything. Same price for 11/18ghz

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 12:59 PM Keefe John  wrote:

> What's the cost on those?
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 10:53 PM Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
>> Don't know if i had something else going on but my AF11 link that was
>> showing 650mbps in the interface was never able to pass more than about
>> 500mbps, switched to Aviat and wow 1.4bps full duplex is freaking amazing.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 12:58 AM Darin Steffl 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I messed up that last email. We're upgrading three AF11 links with Aviat
>>> this spring. We'll move the AF11 links to other towers that could use more
>>> than the 5ghz backhauls are providing.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 11:56 PM Darin Steffl 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Do what Kurt is doing and what I'm fine, replace the AF11 with aviat in
 same channels. The increase is from 650mb full duplex to 1400mb full
 duplex.

 On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 3:24 PM  wrote:

> Here is a circulator and BPF style.  "Should" work great with very
> little
> loss.
> But expensive.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:18 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: AF11 custom combiner
>
> This is the hybrid combiner version.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:06 PM
> To: Nate Burke ; af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: AF11 custom combiner
>
> Now that I think about it, this will not work without sharp bandpass
> filters
> on the transmitters.
> To do what I have drawn here without the filters you would need a
> hybrid
> combiner on the TX and you will lose another 3 dB in that.
>
> So 6 dB loss over all from one end to the other.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:00 PM
> To: Nate Burke ; af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: AF11 custom combiner
>
> Nate, I am posting this to the list too.  Want to see if I made a
> mistake
> here.  I don't have a ton of experience with the internals of the AF11.
> I think each diplexer feeds a TX and an RX right?
> Not sure how good the RX input filters are.  So I used a splitter
> rather
> than circulators.
>
> Circulators would have less loss but you have to have a pretty sharp
> bandpass filter on the front of the receivers to do that trick.
> You could add the filters.
>
> Not sure this will work without TX filters too but I think it will.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Nate Burke
> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 11:15 AM
> To: ch...@wbmfg.com
> Subject: Re: Re: AF11 custom combiner
>
> Both paths are dual polarity v/h
> SiteA
> Radio1 TX 11505
> Radio2 TX 11225
>
> SiteB
> Radio1 TX 11015
> Radio2 TX 10735
>
> Those are different Diplexers on the AF11 Radios  11015x11505 is the
> high diplexer  11225x10735 is the low diplexer.  If they were just
> single pol licenses, I'm already doing that with 2 radios on 1 AF11
> dish, one radio on V one radio on H.
>
> Thanks,
> Nate
>
>
> On 3/25/2020 12:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> > 10735 is pretty close to 11015.  Would these be tx frequencies?
> > Need to know what is RX and what is TX at this site.  Also what is
> on what
> > polarization.
> > -Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Wednesday, March
> 25,
> > 2020 10:55 AM To: ch...@wbmfg.com Subject: Re: AF11 custom combiner
> > The boss is asking the questions, and in his mind it should be as
> simple
> > as wire-nutting the 3 coax's together.  So I have to follow up with
> why
> > that won't work and present a solution for him.
> >
> > Channels we have are
> > 11505x11015 (high)
> > 11225x10735 (low)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Nate
> >
> > On 3/25/2020 11:10 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> >> Yes, you can do that and it is lossy.
> >> Circulators and splitters are frequently used.
> >> Being high/low licenses makes things a bit more difficult.
> >>
> >> If you can give me details as to what radios and frequencies you
> want to
> >> put on the AF11 dish I can think on it a bit.
> >>
> >> -Original Message- From: Nate Burke
> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:44 AM
> >> To: Chuck McCown
> >> Subject: AF11 custom combiner
> >>
> >> Chuck, We've been using your AF11 REMEC adapters in a couple
> places.  I
> >> have a location where I can't physically add another Dish, but I do
> have
> >> 2 licensed channels to the site.  1 high band and 1 low band. Is
> there
> >> a way to combine 2 dual 

Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Run a whole house UPS, get a couple of these 8KW units.
http://www.outbackpower.com/products/integrated-systems/flexpower-radian

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 4:20 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Yes, many models had the flaw/feature that they would turn off if there
> was a battery fault.  Combine that with batteries in a non controlled space
> and a charger that doesn't adjust the voltage for temperature and you can
> see a dead battery pretty rapidly.  Those things are time bombs.  If you're
> changing batteries on a schedule you're resetting the clock on the time
> bomb, but that baby is still ticking.
>
>
> On 3/30/2020 3:35 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Smart vs Back operate differently.  Probably the most annoying one, is
> that Back will have no output power when utility is hot but the battery is
> bad.  So your tower goes down when the power is just fine, but the battery
> is a little old.
>
> XL is faster charger, yes.  That recovers battery voltage when the power
> comes on.  I guess it might be good if your power goes up/down a lot, but
> in my experience it stays up when it's back up.
>
> As far as web/SNMP monitoring we use the PacketFlux site monitor usually.
> It works at 100% of AC sites.  In a couple data center like sites I do have
> the 961x cards and I will admit they're nicer overall.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 3:26 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> I’ve heard a lot of people say the key wasn’t Smart or Dumb, but XL or
>> not XL, on the premise that the XL models had a more robust charger.  But I
>> guess that’s for tower sites.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’ve run the little 500 VA BackUPS models for a long time with just a
>> battery change every 3-5 years.  They had several different model numbers
>> but all looked similar.  The larger tower models always seemed to get
>> swollen batteries that would get wedged inside.  The best SmartUPS model
>> for me was the 1400 VA rackmount XL.  Those didn’t seem to destroy
>> batteries like the tower models.
>>
>>
>>
>> What problems did you have with the BackUPS models?  For a home UPS you
>> probably aren’t using the web or SNMP monitoring.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2020 1:50 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS
>>
>>
>>
>> I've seen them at home because we threw them away at work.  I regretted
>> it every time and just threw them away, or replaced it with Smart UPS.
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:29 AM Seth Mattinen 
>> wrote:
>>
>> On 3/30/20 8:16 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> > No.  Just no.  No.  Back UPS are terrible.  Smart-UPS have been great
>> to
>> > us over the years.
>> >
>> > 100% of our issues are Back UPS related.
>>
>>
>> I'll use a Back-UPS at home, but that's about it.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Use a media converter and access the Packetflux over fiber too. :)

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:29 PM Josh Baird  wrote:

> I like this, and it’s very similar to what I have been thinking of.
>
> On the power side, I am considering doing power distribution at the top.
> You can retain IP based power control if you use something like a
> PacketFlux 5ch PDU with a SiteMonitor.  Both are tiny and could likely fit
> in the same enclosure as your fiber.  You would however have to run a
> single CAT5 up the tower for the SiteMonitor.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 30, 2020, at 11:23 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
> 
> I have been researching this heavily over the past few days and this is
> what I am "thinking" about doing for fiber and power up tower.
>
> 1. Run a MPT/MPO fiber trunk cable up tower (12 fibers)
> https://www.fs.com/products/68017.html  (indoor version but
> available immediately in USA shipping)(could use this temporarily)
> https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html  (custom length rugged outdoor
> version but takes 30 days to get here from Asia)
>
> 2. Run each end of the MPT Trunk into a "MPT-12 to 6x LC Duplex Cassette"
> (tower top this will be in an enclosure)
> https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html
>
> 3. Run custom length FTTA LC connector Patch cables from the Tower Top
> enclosure to each radio SFP
> https://www.fs.com/c/ftta-patch-cables-3856
>
> 4. For Power run individual power wires or a combination of
> multi-conductor wire "cord style." The cord below is 12 guage but has 4
> conductors. If wired properly you could individually power 3 radios and use
> a common ground wire and still be able to power cycle the 3 radios from the
> ground. If I need 6 radios I will run a second cord. My towers are only
> 150' tall so I think 12 guage should be more than big enough for me even
> with Medusa AP's.
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/250-ft-12-4-SJOOW-SJO-SJ-SJ00W-Black-Rubber-Cord-Outdoor-Flexible-Wire-Cable/143388108175?hash=item216298e58f:g:KSQAAOSwA0JclR2G
>
>
> I would run the power cords and fiber trunks into a common tower top
> enclosure and wire out from there. I really like this Trunk cable idea with
> the fiber because If done right there will be absolutely no splicing of
> fiber at all. If the Trunk cable goes bad just run a new one up and plug it
> into the Cassettes and everything should keep working. You could
> standardize on a couple different lengths of the MPT fiber trunk 150' or
> 250' and just stock those and coil up excess cable outside or something.
>
> I was un-aware that Medusa AP's needed 8 gauge wire at 300' but i guess it
> could make sense.
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:33 PM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> Would you happen to have a link handy for the specific OFDC that you are
>> talking about?  I'm trying to spec out a similar situation right now.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:28 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>>> In the past I went with individual pre terminated cable assemblies.  I
>>> went with a "core locked" fiber rather than a loose tube so there wouldn't
>>> be any icky pick oozing out.  The connectors were LC duplex because the
>>> radio manufacturer's approved SFP's were LC duplex (for both Trango and
>>> Telrad).  I went with individual cables because any tower climber can
>>> replace a cable, but I don't expect most tower climbers to be able to
>>> splice or terminate fiber.
>>>
>>> Today I'd strongly consider a Commscope OFDC enclosure up on the tower.
>>> I'd use a 24F and pre-splice all the connectors in the OFDC and have the
>>> tower guys hang the whole assembly.  Then it would be pre terminated
>>> jumpers from the OFDC to the equipment.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/30/2020 5:34 PM, Matt wrote:
>>>
>>> What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors?
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Josh Baird]

I like this, and it’s very similar to what I have been thinking of.

On the power side, I am considering doing power distribution at the top.  You 
can retain IP based power control if you use something like a PacketFlux 5ch 
PDU with a SiteMonitor.  Both are tiny and could likely fit in the same 
enclosure as your fiber.  You would however have to run a single CAT5 up the 
tower for the SiteMonitor.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 30, 2020, at 11:23 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I have been researching this heavily over the past few days and this is what 
> I am "thinking" about doing for fiber and power up tower.
> 
> 1. Run a MPT/MPO fiber trunk cable up tower (12 fibers)
> https://www.fs.com/products/68017.html  (indoor version but available 
> immediately in USA shipping)(could use this temporarily)
> https://www.fs.com/products/70220.html  (custom length rugged outdoor version 
> but takes 30 days to get here from Asia) 
> 
> 2. Run each end of the MPT Trunk into a "MPT-12 to 6x LC Duplex Cassette" 
> (tower top this will be in an enclosure)
> https://www.fs.com/products/57017.html  
> 
> 3. Run custom length FTTA LC connector Patch cables from the Tower Top 
> enclosure to each radio SFP
> https://www.fs.com/c/ftta-patch-cables-3856 
> 
> 4. For Power run individual power wires or a combination of multi-conductor 
> wire "cord style." The cord below is 12 guage but has 4 conductors. If wired 
> properly you could individually power 3 radios and use a common ground wire 
> and still be able to power cycle the 3 radios from the ground. If I need 6 
> radios I will run a second cord. My towers are only 150' tall so I think 12 
> guage should be more than big enough for me even with Medusa AP's.
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/250-ft-12-4-SJOOW-SJO-SJ-SJ00W-Black-Rubber-Cord-Outdoor-Flexible-Wire-Cable/143388108175?hash=item216298e58f:g:KSQAAOSwA0JclR2G
>   
> 
> I would run the power cords and fiber trunks into a common tower top 
> enclosure and wire out from there. I really like this Trunk cable idea with 
> the fiber because If done right there will be absolutely no splicing of fiber 
> at all. If the Trunk cable goes bad just run a new one up and plug it into 
> the Cassettes and everything should keep working. You could standardize on a 
> couple different lengths of the MPT fiber trunk 150' or 250' and just stock 
> those and coil up excess cable outside or something.
> 
> I was un-aware that Medusa AP's needed 8 gauge wire at 300' but i guess it 
> could make sense.
>  
> 
>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:33 PM Josh Baird  wrote:
>> Would you happen to have a link handy for the specific OFDC that you are 
>> talking about?  I'm trying to spec out a similar situation right now.
>> 
>>> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:28 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>> In the past I went with individual pre terminated cable assemblies.  I went 
>>> with a "core locked" fiber rather than a loose tube so there wouldn't be 
>>> any icky pick oozing out.  The connectors were LC duplex because the radio 
>>> manufacturer's approved SFP's were LC duplex (for both Trango and Telrad).  
>>> I went with individual cables because any tower climber can replace a 
>>> cable, but I don't expect most tower climbers to be able to splice or 
>>> terminate fiber.
>>> 
>>> Today I'd strongly consider a Commscope OFDC enclosure up on the tower.  
>>> I'd use a 24F and pre-splice all the connectors in the OFDC and have the 
>>> tower guys hang the whole assembly.  Then it would be pre terminated 
>>> jumpers from the OFDC to the equipment.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 3/30/2020 5:34 PM, Matt wrote:
 What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors?
 
 
 
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Josh Baird]

Would you happen to have a link handy for the specific OFDC that you are
talking about?  I'm trying to spec out a similar situation right now.

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 9:28 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> In the past I went with individual pre terminated cable assemblies.  I
> went with a "core locked" fiber rather than a loose tube so there wouldn't
> be any icky pick oozing out.  The connectors were LC duplex because the
> radio manufacturer's approved SFP's were LC duplex (for both Trango and
> Telrad).  I went with individual cables because any tower climber can
> replace a cable, but I don't expect most tower climbers to be able to
> splice or terminate fiber.
>
> Today I'd strongly consider a Commscope OFDC enclosure up on the tower.
> I'd use a 24F and pre-splice all the connectors in the OFDC and have the
> tower guys hang the whole assembly.  Then it would be pre terminated
> jumpers from the OFDC to the equipment.
>
>
> On 3/30/2020 5:34 PM, Matt wrote:
>
> What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Adam Moffett]

In the past I went with individual pre terminated cable assemblies.  I 
went with a "core locked" fiber rather than a loose tube so there 
wouldn't be any icky pick oozing out.  The connectors were LC duplex 
because the radio manufacturer's approved SFP's were LC duplex (for both 
Trango and Telrad).  I went with individual cables because any tower 
climber can replace a cable, but I don't expect most tower climbers to 
be able to splice or terminate fiber.


Today I'd strongly consider a Commscope OFDC enclosure up on the tower.  
I'd use a 24F and pre-splice all the connectors in the OFDC and have the 
tower guys hang the whole assembly.  Then it would be pre terminated 
jumpers from the OFDC to the equipment.



On 3/30/2020 5:34 PM, Matt wrote:

What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors?


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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Nate Burke]

Where are you getting the Tatical SM fiber from?  Pricing?

On 3/30/2020 5:22 PM, dave via AF wrote:
That may work for most radios limited by 4 possibly 6 450i or 
something equivalent.
 If running medusa 3.65 and 5.7 radios youll need #8 min by 2 pair pvc 
jacket or better for outdoor operation.
We have a few like this and learned the hard way even with #10 hybrid 
cable that would not fly due to the loss in the wire at 250'

We use Tactical SM fiber LC-LC pre-terminated
We also use Duracomms 
https://duracomm.com/product-category/rack-mount-power-supplies/centri-series-he1u-mu/

Note we use the 50Amp version of this.
Youll need most of it to get to the top to sustain that 48vDC those 
beast need lol.
We now have our 3rd site up with Fiber going to everything and #8 
stranded pairs up the tower for power.

Also, be sure and add in the surge stuff.


On 3/30/20 4:46 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
I've been thinking of offering hybrid fiber / 12 awg copper 
pre-terminated cables... if anyone has a desire for such a thing, let 
me know the fiber count, connector type and lengths you would want...


On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 2:35 PM Matt > wrote:


What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - Office 365 name change

[Bill Prince]

  
  
I don't really understand why. I mean, everyone knows what
  "Office" is (was). Maybe because it's become their main cash cow
  (besides Azure)?


bp



On 3/30/2020 10:13 AM, Ken Hohhof
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
They are renaming the plans.  I found the
  old plans confusing.  I don’t find the new ones any less
  confusing.
 
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/blog/2020/03/30/new-microsoft-365-offerings-small-and-medium-sized-businesses/
 
  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[dave via AF]

That may work for most radios limited by 4 possibly 6 450i or something 
equivalent.
 If running medusa 3.65 and 5.7 radios youll need #8 min by 2 pair pvc 
jacket or better for outdoor operation.
We have a few like this and learned the hard way even with #10 hybrid 
cable that would not fly due to the loss in the wire at 250'

We use Tactical SM fiber LC-LC pre-terminated
We also use Duracomms 
https://duracomm.com/product-category/rack-mount-power-supplies/centri-series-he1u-mu/

Note we use the 50Amp version of this.
Youll need most of it to get to the top to sustain that 48vDC those 
beast need lol.
We now have our 3rd site up with Fiber going to everything and #8 
stranded pairs up the tower for power.

Also, be sure and add in the surge stuff.


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I've been thinking of offering hybrid fiber / 12 awg copper 
pre-terminated cables... if anyone has a desire for such a thing, let 
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Trey Scarborough]

I went down that route and its just easier to run separate fiber and 
power wires. Unless you are getting billed per wire up the tower its 
really not worth the added expense.


On 3/30/2020 4:46 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
I've been thinking of offering hybrid fiber / 12 awg copper 
pre-terminated cables... if anyone has a desire for such a thing, let 
me know the fiber count, connector type and lengths you would want...


On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 2:35 PM Matt > wrote:


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

[Trey Scarborough]

I watch his series on speakers really like how he approaches things.

On 3/30/2020 10:15 AM, Robert wrote:

I like this guy, what do you think of him?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLWBG_fbJR0

On 3/30/20 7:47 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
From an MD friend of mine...Mix 1.5 cups everclear with 2/3 cup aloe 
gel. This gets you 62-65% ethanol. At my local liquor store, they had 
plenty of Everclear and it's cheap.




On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 11:52 PM Robert > wrote:


at 70 percent you better just wave the aloe over it because that
is going to need to be the end concentration to be an effective
solution...

On 3/28/20 9:13 PM, Doug Hass wrote:

Both of my local CVS stores have 70%. The higher percentage
stuff is really difficult to find.

For disinfectants, incidentally, vet supply companies have tons
of supply if you are running short of Lysol/etc. Stericide and
other brands are even still available on Amazon.

El El sáb, mar. 28, 2020 a la(s) 9:50 p. m., Tushar Patel
mailto:tpa...@ecpi.com>> escribió:

I want to know the same.

Tushar



On Mar 28, 2020, at 9:06 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:



Where are people finding masks, gloves, and sanitizer gel
or wipes?

Seems like none available online, and I don’t want to drive
to a dozen stores hoping to find some on the shelf.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Chris Fabien
*Sent:* Saturday, March 28, 2020 8:28 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

Chuck, we came up with a very similar approach. No shared
trucks, no shared spaces like lunchrooms, our office
building only has 3-4 employees in a 3200 sqft building
with 4 restrooms so we are assigning a restroom to each
person and literally zero contact, call them on the phone
if you need something. OSP guys working solo as much as
possible. We are providing masks, gloves, sanitizer for the
techs with customer contact and avoiding in-home work as
much as possible although some amount is unavoidable. I set
up SMS on our office number so we can ask customers text us
a photo of your router, cords, cable you just cut in the
yard etc.

On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 11:52 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I have stepped up our response to this at work.

Comments and suggestions are very much welcome.

1) Mechanic will work swing shift.  No overlap with day
shift employees.

2) PCB production stays in their part of the building.

3) Fabrication stay in their part of the building.

4) Avoid the lunchroom.

5) OSP construction one person per truck.

6) Bring lunch from home and eat it alone in the truck.

7) Vac excavators will have to do it with one person.
Much slower but safer.

8) More 2 way radio use to try to enforce the 10 foot rule.

Anything I can add?

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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[TJ Trout]

I've been thinking of offering hybrid fiber / 12 awg copper pre-terminated
cables... if anyone has a desire for such a thing, let me know the fiber
count, connector type and lengths you would want...

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 2:35 PM Matt  wrote:

> What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors?
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[AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Matt]

What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors?
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Re: [AFMUG] Oneweb is apparently bankrupt

[Ryan Ray]

Nothing quite like billionaires doing whatever they want. It's the American
way.

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 6:05 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Not sure how I feel about rumors SpaceX is eyeing RDOF as a source of
> funds.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ray
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 11:44 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Oneweb is apparently bankrupt
>
>
>
> Spacex next?
>
>
>
>
> http://tmfassociates.com/blog/2020/03/21/why-spacex-desperately-needs-a-government-bailout/
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 1:34 PM Robert Andrews 
> wrote:
>
> Expected to go out for funding based upon launch success and no market
> to pull money from...
>
> On 03/29/2020 01:06 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> > Ooops
> >
> >> On Mar 29, 2020, at 3:13 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> >>
> >> And another one bites the dust.
> >>
> >>
> https://www.wired.com/story/spacex-competitor-oneweb-is-reportedly-bankrupt/
> >>
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy

[Adam Moffett]

uhhon the customer's roof it's definitely not.

On 3/30/2020 4:28 PM, Carl Peterson wrote:

is that a euphemism?

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 3:23 PM Adam Moffett > wrote:


I'm betting it just displays signal level, but now your hands are
free to play with the antenna.


On 3/30/2020 4:18 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:

OK, so they need to activate the camera and have the inclination
on the screen.  Maybe they do but I couldn’t read the phone screen.
*From:* Ryan Ray
*Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2020 1:05 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy
Doh I just noticed you're the one who posted the thread! Shows me
for not paying attention.
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 12:05 PM Ryan Ray  wrote:

Here's your answer Ken. It's for a cell phone.

https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Post-sticking-up-on-new-450b-high-gain/m-p/116485#M9134
On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 10:05 PM Ken Hohhof 
wrote:

They also moved the LEDs to where you can actually see
them.  Might not be easy, but the old ones were
impossible, especially with a radome.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Kurt
Fankhauser
*Sent:* Saturday, March 28, 2020 11:48 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy

Thank god the original cord grip was a PITA

On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 12:42 AM Ken Hohhof
 wrote:

Yes, at least they did on the 3 GHz version.  My
guess would be they also did on the 5 GHz version but
old stock would have to be flushed out first, that’s
just my guess though.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of
*Kurt Fankhauser
*Sent:* Saturday, March 28, 2020 10:46 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy

did they change the cord grip yet for the Ethernet
cable?

On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 6:48 PM Ken Hohhof
 wrote:

If I understand the question, the answer is yes.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf
Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Saturday, March 28, 2020 5:25 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy

Is it aligned with the plane of the signal, like
could you attach an inclinometer to it?

*From:*Ken Hohhof

*Sent:*Saturday, March 28, 2020 3:01 PM

*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

*Subject:*[AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy

The new version 450b high gain has an added
vertical post sticking up from the plastic
housing on the rear.

Anybody know what this is for?  Just curious.

(I don’t know if the equivalent ePMP Force radios
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy

[Carl Peterson]

is that a euphemism?

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 3:23 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I'm betting it just displays signal level, but now your hands are free to
> play with the antenna.
>
>
> On 3/30/2020 4:18 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> OK, so they need to activate the camera and have the inclination on the
> screen.  Maybe they do but I couldn’t read the phone screen.
>
> *From:* Ryan Ray
> *Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2020 1:05 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy
>
> Doh I just noticed you're the one who posted the thread! Shows me for not
> paying attention.
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 12:05 PM Ryan Ray  wrote:
>
>> Here's your answer Ken. It's for a cell phone.
>>
>>
>> https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Post-sticking-up-on-new-450b-high-gain/m-p/116485#M9134
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 10:05 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> They also moved the LEDs to where you can actually see them.  Might not
>>> be easy, but the old ones were impossible, especially with a radome.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 28, 2020 11:48 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank god the original cord grip was a PITA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 12:42 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, at least they did on the 3 GHz version.  My guess would be they
>>> also did on the 5 GHz version but old stock would have to be flushed out
>>> first, that’s just my guess though.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 28, 2020 10:46 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> did they change the cord grip yet for the Ethernet cable?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 6:48 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
>>> If I understand the question, the answer is yes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 28, 2020 5:25 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is it aligned with the plane of the signal, like could you attach an
>>> inclinometer to it?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 28, 2020 3:01 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>>
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The new version 450b high gain has an added vertical post sticking up
>>> from the plastic housing on the rear.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Anybody know what this is for?  Just curious.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> (I don’t know if the equivalent ePMP Force radios have this.)
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy

[Adam Moffett]

I'm betting it just displays signal level, but now your hands are free 
to play with the antenna.



On 3/30/2020 4:18 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
OK, so they need to activate the camera and have the inclination on 
the screen.  Maybe they do but I couldn’t read the phone screen.

*From:* Ryan Ray
*Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2020 1:05 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy
Doh I just noticed you're the one who posted the thread! Shows me for 
not paying attention.

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 12:05 PM Ryan Ray  wrote:

Here's your answer Ken. It's for a cell phone.

https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Post-sticking-up-on-new-450b-high-gain/m-p/116485#M9134
On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 10:05 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

They also moved the LEDs to where you can actually see them. 
Might not be easy, but the old ones were impossible,
especially with a radome.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Kurt
Fankhauser
*Sent:* Saturday, March 28, 2020 11:48 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy

Thank god the original cord grip was a PITA

On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 12:42 AM Ken Hohhof 
wrote:

Yes, at least they did on the 3 GHz version.  My guess
would be they also did on the 5 GHz version but old stock
would have to be flushed out first, that’s just my guess
though.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Kurt
Fankhauser
*Sent:* Saturday, March 28, 2020 10:46 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy

did they change the cord grip yet for the Ethernet cable?

On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 6:48 PM Ken Hohhof
 wrote:

If I understand the question, the answer is yes.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of
*ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Saturday, March 28, 2020 5:25 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy

Is it aligned with the plane of the signal, like could
you attach an inclinometer to it?

*From:*Ken Hohhof

*Sent:*Saturday, March 28, 2020 3:01 PM

*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

*Subject:*[AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy

The new version 450b high gain has an added vertical
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Anybody know what this is for?  Just curious.

(I don’t know if the equivalent ePMP Force radios have
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Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS

[Adam Moffett]

Yes, many models had the flaw/feature that they would turn off if there 
was a battery fault.  Combine that with batteries in a non controlled 
space and a charger that doesn't adjust the voltage for temperature and 
you can see a dead battery pretty rapidly.  Those things are time 
bombs.  If you're changing batteries on a schedule you're resetting the 
clock on the time bomb, but that baby is still ticking.



On 3/30/2020 3:35 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Smart vs Back operate differently.  Probably the most annoying one, is 
that Back will have no output power when utility is hot but the 
battery is bad.  So your tower goes down when the power is just fine, 
but the battery is a little old.


XL is faster charger, yes.  That recovers battery voltage when the 
power comes on.  I guess it might be good if your power goes up/down a 
lot, but in my experience it stays up when it's back up.


As far as web/SNMP monitoring we use the PacketFlux site monitor 
usually.  It works at 100% of AC sites.  In a couple data center like 
sites I do have the 961x cards and I will admit they're nicer overall.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 3:26 PM Ken Hohhof > wrote:


I’ve heard a lot of people say the key wasn’t Smart or Dumb, but
XL or not XL, on the premise that the XL models had a more robust
charger. But I guess that’s for tower sites.

I’ve run the little 500 VA BackUPS models for a long time with
just a battery change every 3-5 years.  They had several different
model numbers but all looked similar.  The larger tower models
always seemed to get swollen batteries that would get wedged
inside.  The best SmartUPS model for me was the 1400 VA rackmount
XL.  Those didn’t seem to destroy batteries like the tower models.

What problems did you have with the BackUPS models?  For a home
UPS you probably aren’t using the web or SNMP monitoring.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2020 1:50 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS

I've seen them at home because we threw them away at work.  I
regretted it every time and just threw them away, or replaced it
with Smart UPS.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:29 AM Seth Mattinen mailto:se...@rollernet.us>> wrote:

On 3/30/20 8:16 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> No.  Just no.  No.  Back UPS are terrible. Smart-UPS have
been great to
> us over the years.
>
> 100% of our issues are Back UPS related.


I'll use a Back-UPS at home, but that's about it.

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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy

[chuck]

OK, so they need to activate the camera and have the inclination on the screen. 
 Maybe they do but I couldn’t read the phone screen.  

From: Ryan Ray 
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 1:05 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy

Doh I just noticed you're the one who posted the thread! Shows me for not 
paying attention.


On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 12:05 PM Ryan Ray  wrote:

  Here's your answer Ken. It's for a cell phone.

  
https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Post-sticking-up-on-new-450b-high-gain/m-p/116485#M9134



  On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 10:05 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

They also moved the LEDs to where you can actually see them.  Might not be 
easy, but the old ones were impossible, especially with a radome.



From: AF  On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2020 11:48 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy



Thank god the original cord grip was a PITA



On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 12:42 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  Yes, at least they did on the 3 GHz version.  My guess would be they also 
did on the 5 GHz version but old stock would have to be flushed out first, 
that’s just my guess though.



  From: AF  On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
  Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2020 10:46 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy



  did they change the cord grip yet for the Ethernet cable? 



  On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 6:48 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

If I understand the question, the answer is yes.



From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2020 5:25 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy



Is it aligned with the plane of the signal, like could you attach an 
inclinometer to it?



From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2020 3:01 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy



The new version 450b high gain has an added vertical post sticking up 
from the plastic housing on the rear.



Anybody know what this is for?  Just curious.



(I don’t know if the equivalent ePMP Force radios have this.)




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Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS

[Josh Luthman]

Smart vs Back operate differently.  Probably the most annoying one, is that
Back will have no output power when utility is hot but the battery is bad.
So your tower goes down when the power is just fine, but the battery is a
little old.

XL is faster charger, yes.  That recovers battery voltage when the power
comes on.  I guess it might be good if your power goes up/down a lot, but
in my experience it stays up when it's back up.

As far as web/SNMP monitoring we use the PacketFlux site monitor usually.
It works at 100% of AC sites.  In a couple data center like sites I do have
the 961x cards and I will admit they're nicer overall.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 3:26 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I’ve heard a lot of people say the key wasn’t Smart or Dumb, but XL or not
> XL, on the premise that the XL models had a more robust charger.  But I
> guess that’s for tower sites.
>
>
>
> I’ve run the little 500 VA BackUPS models for a long time with just a
> battery change every 3-5 years.  They had several different model numbers
> but all looked similar.  The larger tower models always seemed to get
> swollen batteries that would get wedged inside.  The best SmartUPS model
> for me was the 1400 VA rackmount XL.  Those didn’t seem to destroy
> batteries like the tower models.
>
>
>
> What problems did you have with the BackUPS models?  For a home UPS you
> probably aren’t using the web or SNMP monitoring.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2020 1:50 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS
>
>
>
> I've seen them at home because we threw them away at work.  I regretted it
> every time and just threw them away, or replaced it with Smart UPS.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:29 AM Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
> On 3/30/20 8:16 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> > No.  Just no.  No.  Back UPS are terrible.  Smart-UPS have been great to
> > us over the years.
> >
> > 100% of our issues are Back UPS related.
>
>
> I'll use a Back-UPS at home, but that's about it.
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Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS

[Ken Hohhof]

I’ve heard a lot of people say the key wasn’t Smart or Dumb, but XL or not XL, 
on the premise that the XL models had a more robust charger.  But I guess 
that’s for tower sites.

 

I’ve run the little 500 VA BackUPS models for a long time with just a battery 
change every 3-5 years.  They had several different model numbers but all 
looked similar.  The larger tower models always seemed to get swollen batteries 
that would get wedged inside.  The best SmartUPS model for me was the 1400 VA 
rackmount XL.  Those didn’t seem to destroy batteries like the tower models.

 

What problems did you have with the BackUPS models?  For a home UPS you 
probably aren’t using the web or SNMP monitoring.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 1:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS

 

I've seen them at home because we threw them away at work.  I regretted it 
every time and just threw them away, or replaced it with Smart UPS.


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:29 AM Seth Mattinen mailto:se...@rollernet.us> > wrote:

On 3/30/20 8:16 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> No.  Just no.  No.  Back UPS are terrible.  Smart-UPS have been great to 
> us over the years.
> 
> 100% of our issues are Back UPS related.


I'll use a Back-UPS at home, but that's about it.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

[Robert Andrews]

Yep, I've been on the receiving end of that!

On 03/30/2020 11:17 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

On 3/30/20 11:13 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I just finished a 330,000' fiber build for one of the largest 
companies in the world.
I had to suffer through weekly (or more often) conference calls with 
project managers like this.
I will never work for them again.  Nobody knows anything but they mask 
it by having to take it up with their "team" and get back to you.



That's how I get out of things all the time by saying I have to talk to 
my wife about it.




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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy

[Ryan Ray]

Doh I just noticed you're the one who posted the thread! Shows me for not
paying attention.


On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 12:05 PM Ryan Ray  wrote:

> Here's your answer Ken. It's for a cell phone.
>
>
> https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Post-sticking-up-on-new-450b-high-gain/m-p/116485#M9134
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 10:05 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> They also moved the LEDs to where you can actually see them.  Might not
>> be easy, but the old ones were impossible, especially with a radome.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 28, 2020 11:48 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank god the original cord grip was a PITA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 12:42 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> Yes, at least they did on the 3 GHz version.  My guess would be they also
>> did on the 5 GHz version but old stock would have to be flushed out first,
>> that’s just my guess though.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 28, 2020 10:46 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy
>>
>>
>>
>> did they change the cord grip yet for the Ethernet cable?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 6:48 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> If I understand the question, the answer is yes.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 28, 2020 5:25 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy
>>
>>
>>
>> Is it aligned with the plane of the signal, like could you attach an
>> inclinometer to it?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 28, 2020 3:01 PM
>>
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy
>>
>>
>>
>> The new version 450b high gain has an added vertical post sticking up
>> from the plastic housing on the rear.
>>
>>
>>
>> Anybody know what this is for?  Just curious.
>>
>>
>>
>> (I don’t know if the equivalent ePMP Force radios have this.)
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy

[Ryan Ray]

Here's your answer Ken. It's for a cell phone.

https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Post-sticking-up-on-new-450b-high-gain/m-p/116485#M9134



On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 10:05 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> They also moved the LEDs to where you can actually see them.  Might not be
> easy, but the old ones were impossible, especially with a radome.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 28, 2020 11:48 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy
>
>
>
> Thank god the original cord grip was a PITA
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 12:42 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Yes, at least they did on the 3 GHz version.  My guess would be they also
> did on the 5 GHz version but old stock would have to be flushed out first,
> that’s just my guess though.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 28, 2020 10:46 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy
>
>
>
> did they change the cord grip yet for the Ethernet cable?
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 6:48 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> If I understand the question, the answer is yes.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 28, 2020 5:25 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy
>
>
>
> Is it aligned with the plane of the signal, like could you attach an
> inclinometer to it?
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 28, 2020 3:01 PM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy
>
>
>
> The new version 450b high gain has an added vertical post sticking up from
> the plastic housing on the rear.
>
>
>
> Anybody know what this is for?  Just curious.
>
>
>
> (I don’t know if the equivalent ePMP Force radios have this.)
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Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS

[Josh Luthman]

I've seen them at home because we threw them away at work.  I regretted it
every time and just threw them away, or replaced it with Smart UPS.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:29 AM Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 3/30/20 8:16 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> > No.  Just no.  No.  Back UPS are terrible.  Smart-UPS have been great to
> > us over the years.
> >
> > 100% of our issues are Back UPS related.
>
>
> I'll use a Back-UPS at home, but that's about it.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

[Cameron Crum]

Yep. When I lived in Salt Lake designing the Leap Wireless (Cricket) cell
network there in 2000-2001 I was contracting with Lucent. There were
biweekly "team" meetings that lasted 4-5 hours each that were mostly the
site aqc and construction teams talking about stuff that I didn't need my
RF Team wasting their time listening to. After the second week of the that,
I told my engineers they didn't need to attend anymore, and eventually I
told them I could  only be there for 1/2 hour each week to give a status
update. Otherwise I was available by phone call or email. I can't stand
projects run by committee and is probably why I haven't worked for anyone
else long term since 2003. My buddy who rents an office from me is an Azure
cloud solutions architect. Brilliant guy, but got placed as a team lead for
AT's azure solutions. He spends about 6 hours a day on conference calls.
I would have slit my wrists by now if I were him. I just couldn't do it.

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 1:14 PM  wrote:

> I just finished a 330,000' fiber build for one of the largest companies in
> the world.
> I had to suffer through weekly (or more often) conference calls with
> project
> managers like this.
> I will never work for them again.  Nobody knows anything but they mask it
> by
> having to take it up with their "team" and get back to you.
>
> For example we spent 6 weeks last summer in discussions as to how many
> leading zeros on the handhole marker post labels.  I voted for zero as
> that
> would make the significant digits down in the weeds.  They went with 4
> leading zeros.
>
> Yep, now at normal highway speeds you cannot read them.  Many of them you
> have to get out of the vehicle and walk over to read the digits
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Brian Webster
> Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 10:42 AM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query
>
> Having had to deal with Google on their Fiber builds in California.. I
> can attest to that. Rooms full of 30 somethings who talk to themselves and
> believe their own hype. Try to tell them about any reality and they just
> say, we are Google that can't stop us.. They learned that their name
> was
> not the magic word. Those pesky zoning, building and pole engineering
> requirements didn't know who Google was..and they really didn't care
> either.
>
> Thank you,
> Brian Webster
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert
> Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 7:44 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query
>
> Truth is always the funniest!
>
> On 3/29/20 3:50 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> > Now THAT is funny.
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020
> > 3:40 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query
> > Or..."Why Google fails at so many new projects..."
> >
> > On 3/29/20 2:31 PM, Larry Smith wrote:
> >> On Sun March 29 2020 14:49, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
> >>> And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees and perfect GPAs
> >>> that went no where.
> >> We used to call them paper tigers, loads of degrees and certifications,
> >> but could not do the actual job.
> >>
> >
> >
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

[chuck]

I gotta take this offer to the Manager...

-Original Message- 
From: Seth Mattinen 
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 12:17 PM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query 


On 3/30/20 11:13 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I just finished a 330,000' fiber build for one of the largest companies 
in the world.
I had to suffer through weekly (or more often) conference calls with 
project managers like this.
I will never work for them again.  Nobody knows anything but they mask 
it by having to take it up with their "team" and get back to you.



That's how I get out of things all the time by saying I have to talk to 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

[Seth Mattinen]

On 3/30/20 11:13 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I just finished a 330,000' fiber build for one of the largest companies 
in the world.
I had to suffer through weekly (or more often) conference calls with 
project managers like this.
I will never work for them again.  Nobody knows anything but they mask 
it by having to take it up with their "team" and get back to you.



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Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

[chuck]

A bit more specific in the culture.  Basically it refers to Mormons that choose 
to imbibe.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 11:06 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

Is that comparable to the term “Easter Christian”, one who attends church once 
a year?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 11:37 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

 

I am technically a “Jack” Mormon anymore.  

 

From: Cameron Crum 

Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 10:14 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

 

Who said you mormons aren't any fun?

 

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:02 AM  wrote:

  I think it works better to mix 1.5 cups of everclear with several packages of 
jello and some water.  

  Refrigerate the mix until it sets up.

   

  Liberally apply the jello to the inside of your mouth.  

   

  From: Cameron Crum 

  Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 8:47 AM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

   

  From an MD friend of mine...Mix 1.5 cups everclear with 2/3 cup aloe gel. 
This gets you 62-65% ethanol. At my local liquor store, they had plenty of 
Everclear and it's cheap.  

   

   

   

  On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 11:52 PM Robert  wrote:

at 70 percent you better just wave the aloe over it because that is going 
to need to be the end concentration to be an effective solution...

On 3/28/20 9:13 PM, Doug Hass wrote:

  Both of my local CVS stores have 70%. The higher percentage stuff is 
really difficult to find.

   

  For disinfectants, incidentally, vet supply companies have tons of supply 
if you are running short of Lysol/etc. Stericide and other brands are even 
still available on Amazon.

   

  El El sáb, mar. 28, 2020 a la(s) 9:50 p. m., Tushar Patel 
 escribió:

I want to know the same.

Tushar 

 





  On Mar 28, 2020, at 9:06 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  

  Where are people finding masks, gloves, and sanitizer gel or wipes?

   

  Seems like none available online, and I don’t want to drive to a 
dozen stores hoping to find some on the shelf.

   

   

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Chris Fabien
  Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2020 8:28 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

   

   

  Chuck, we came up with a very similar approach. No shared trucks, no 
shared spaces like lunchrooms, our office building only has 3-4 employees in a 
3200 sqft building with 4 restrooms so we are assigning a restroom to each 
person and literally zero contact, call them on the phone if you need 
something. OSP guys working solo as much as possible. We are providing masks, 
gloves, sanitizer for the techs with customer contact and avoiding in-home work 
as much as possible although some amount is unavoidable. I set up SMS on our 
office number so we can ask customers text us a photo of your router, cords, 
cable you just cut in the yard etc. 

   

  On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 11:52 AM  wrote:

I have stepped up our response to this at work.

Comments and suggestions are very much welcome.

 

1)Mechanic will work swing shift.  No overlap with day shift 
employees.

2)PCB production stays in their part of the building.

3)Fabrication stay in their part of the building.

4)Avoid the lunchroom.

5)OSP construction one person per truck.

6)Bring lunch from home and eat it alone in the truck.

7)Vac excavators will have to do it with one person.  Much 
slower but safer.

8)More 2 way radio use to try to enforce the 10 foot rule.

 

Anything I can add?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

[chuck]

I just finished a 330,000' fiber build for one of the largest companies in 
the world.
I had to suffer through weekly (or more often) conference calls with project 
managers like this.
I will never work for them again.  Nobody knows anything but they mask it by 
having to take it up with their "team" and get back to you.


For example we spent 6 weeks last summer in discussions as to how many 
leading zeros on the handhole marker post labels.  I voted for zero as that 
would make the significant digits down in the weeds.  They went with 4 
leading zeros.


Yep, now at normal highway speeds you cannot read them.  Many of them you 
have to get out of the vehicle and walk over to read the digits


-Original Message- 
From: Brian Webster

Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 10:42 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

Having had to deal with Google on their Fiber builds in California.. I 
can attest to that. Rooms full of 30 somethings who talk to themselves and 
believe their own hype. Try to tell them about any reality and they just 
say, we are Google that can't stop us.. They learned that their name was 
not the magic word. Those pesky zoning, building and pole engineering 
requirements didn't know who Google was..and they really didn't care 
either.


Thank you,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com

-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 7:44 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

Truth is always the funniest!

On 3/29/20 3:50 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Now THAT is funny.

-Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020
3:40 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query
Or..."Why Google fails at so many new projects..."

On 3/29/20 2:31 PM, Larry Smith wrote:

On Sun March 29 2020 14:49, can...@believewireless.net wrote:

And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees and perfect GPAs
that went no where.

We used to call them paper tigers, loads of degrees and certifications,
but could not do the actual job.







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Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

[chuck]

Certainly not a favorite.

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 10:40 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

Meaning that you drink Jack?




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From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 11:37:24 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work


I am technically a “Jack” Mormon anymore.  

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 10:14 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

Who said you mormons aren't any fun?

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:02 AM  wrote:

  I think it works better to mix 1.5 cups of everclear with several packages of 
jello and some water.  
  Refrigerate the mix until it sets up.

  Liberally apply the jello to the inside of your mouth.  

  From: Cameron Crum 
  Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 8:47 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

  From an MD friend of mine...Mix 1.5 cups everclear with 2/3 cup aloe gel. 
This gets you 62-65% ethanol. At my local liquor store, they had plenty of 
Everclear and it's cheap.  



  On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 11:52 PM Robert  wrote:

at 70 percent you better just wave the aloe over it because that is going 
to need to be the end concentration to be an effective solution...


On 3/28/20 9:13 PM, Doug Hass wrote:

  Both of my local CVS stores have 70%. The higher percentage stuff is 
really difficult to find.

  For disinfectants, incidentally, vet supply companies have tons of supply 
if you are running short of Lysol/etc. Stericide and other brands are even 
still available on Amazon.

  El El sáb, mar. 28, 2020 a la(s) 9:50 p. m., Tushar Patel 
 escribió:

I want to know the same.


Tushar 



  On Mar 28, 2020, at 9:06 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:


  
  Where are people finding masks, gloves, and sanitizer gel or wipes?



  Seems like none available online, and I don’t want to drive to a 
dozen stores hoping to find some on the shelf.





  From: AF  On Behalf Of Chris Fabien
  Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2020 8:28 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work





  Chuck, we came up with a very similar approach. No shared trucks, no 
shared spaces like lunchrooms, our office building only has 3-4 employees in a 
3200 sqft building with 4 restrooms so we are assigning a restroom to each 
person and literally zero contact, call them on the phone if you need 
something. OSP guys working solo as much as possible. We are providing masks, 
gloves, sanitizer for the techs with customer contact and avoiding in-home work 
as much as possible although some amount is unavoidable. I set up SMS on our 
office number so we can ask customers text us a photo of your router, cords, 
cable you just cut in the yard etc. 



  On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 11:52 AM  wrote:

I have stepped up our response to this at work.

Comments and suggestions are very much welcome.



1)Mechanic will work swing shift.  No overlap with day shift 
employees.

2)PCB production stays in their part of the building.

3)Fabrication stay in their part of the building.

4)Avoid the lunchroom.

5)OSP construction one person per truck.

6)Bring lunch from home and eat it alone in the truck.

7)Vac excavators will have to do it with one person.  Much 
slower but safer.

8)More 2 way radio use to try to enforce the 10 foot rule.



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Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

[Robert Andrews]

I've been in a whole lotta tech companies.  Before I settled down into 
wispdom I think the final count was 26 ( some at the same time, highest 
count 4 ).   Nuc engineers are some of the best, some mostly populated 
by phd's ( medical company that ate itself alive after inventing pulse 
ox ) Give me a bunch of practical engineers that learned on a farm any 
day of the year.  They might be missing a finger tip or more, but they 
know how to get stuff done and not chase phantoms.   They know how to 
get others to do the math if it's beyond them and then make a practical 
application of it.  Most of all they learned how to be hungry, for 
knowledge, for success, for company of others like them.  They share 
because they know what they put out there comes back 10 fold.  They like 
the accolades of those that have also btdt.   They like a dollar that 
they honestly earned over that which just shows up.   They like to 
"beat" the system.   Google will eventually eat itself alive, they just 
had a huge runway to gather speed before gliding off and sputtering.


On 03/30/2020 09:42 AM, Brian Webster wrote:

Having had to deal with Google on their Fiber builds in California.. I can 
attest to that. Rooms full of 30 somethings who talk to themselves and believe 
their own hype. Try to tell them about any reality and they just say, we are 
Google that can't stop us.. They learned that their name was not the magic 
word. Those pesky zoning, building and pole engineering requirements didn't 
know who Google was..and they really didn't care either.

Thank you,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com

-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 7:44 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

Truth is always the funniest!

On 3/29/20 3:50 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Now THAT is funny.

-Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020
3:40 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query
Or..."Why Google fails at so many new projects..."

On 3/29/20 2:31 PM, Larry Smith wrote:

On Sun March 29 2020 14:49, can...@believewireless.net wrote:

And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees and perfect GPAs
that went no where.

We used to call them paper tigers, loads of degrees and certifications,
but could not do the actual job.









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[AFMUG] OT - Office 365 name change

[Ken Hohhof]

They are renaming the plans.  I found the old plans confusing.  I don't find
the new ones any less confusing.

 

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/blog/2020/03/30/new-microsoft-
365-offerings-small-and-medium-sized-businesses/

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

[Ken Hohhof]

Is that comparable to the term “Easter Christian”, one who attends church once 
a year?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 11:37 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

 

I am technically a “Jack” Mormon anymore.  

 

From: Cameron Crum 

Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 10:14 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

 

Who said you mormons aren't any fun?

 

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:02 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

I think it works better to mix 1.5 cups of everclear with several packages of 
jello and some water.  

Refrigerate the mix until it sets up.

 

Liberally apply the jello to the inside of your mouth.  

 

From: Cameron Crum 

Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 8:47 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

 

>From an MD friend of mine...Mix 1.5 cups everclear with 2/3 cup aloe gel. This 
>gets you 62-65% ethanol. At my local liquor store, they had plenty of 
>Everclear and it's cheap.  

 

 

 

On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 11:52 PM Robert mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> > wrote:

at 70 percent you better just wave the aloe over it because that is going to 
need to be the end concentration to be an effective solution...

On 3/28/20 9:13 PM, Doug Hass wrote:

Both of my local CVS stores have 70%. The higher percentage stuff is really 
difficult to find.

 

For disinfectants, incidentally, vet supply companies have tons of supply if 
you are running short of Lysol/etc. Stericide and other brands are even still 
available on Amazon.

 

El El sáb, mar. 28, 2020 a la(s) 9:50 p. m., Tushar Patel mailto:tpa...@ecpi.com> > escribió:

I want to know the same.

Tushar 

 





On Mar 28, 2020, at 9:06 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:



Where are people finding masks, gloves, and sanitizer gel or wipes?

 

Seems like none available online, and I don’t want to drive to a dozen stores 
hoping to find some on the shelf.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Chris Fabien
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2020 8:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

 

 

Chuck, we came up with a very similar approach. No shared trucks, no shared 
spaces like lunchrooms, our office building only has 3-4 employees in a 3200 
sqft building with 4 restrooms so we are assigning a restroom to each person 
and literally zero contact, call them on the phone if you need something. OSP 
guys working solo as much as possible. We are providing masks, gloves, 
sanitizer for the techs with customer contact and avoiding in-home work as much 
as possible although some amount is unavoidable. I set up SMS on our office 
number so we can ask customers text us a photo of your router, cords, cable you 
just cut in the yard etc. 

 

On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 11:52 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

I have stepped up our response to this at work.

Comments and suggestions are very much welcome.

 

1)Mechanic will work swing shift.  No overlap with day shift employees.

2)PCB production stays in their part of the building.

3)Fabrication stay in their part of the building.

4)Avoid the lunchroom.

5)OSP construction one person per truck.

6)Bring lunch from home and eat it alone in the truck.

7)Vac excavators will have to do it with one person.  Much slower but safer.

8)More 2 way radio use to try to enforce the 10 foot rule.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] AF11 custom combiner

[Keefe John]

What's the cost on those?


On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 10:53 PM Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> Don't know if i had something else going on but my AF11 link that was
> showing 650mbps in the interface was never able to pass more than about
> 500mbps, switched to Aviat and wow 1.4bps full duplex is freaking amazing.
>
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 12:58 AM Darin Steffl 
> wrote:
>
>> I messed up that last email. We're upgrading three AF11 links with Aviat
>> this spring. We'll move the AF11 links to other towers that could use more
>> than the 5ghz backhauls are providing.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 11:56 PM Darin Steffl 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Do what Kurt is doing and what I'm fine, replace the AF11 with aviat in
>>> same channels. The increase is from 650mb full duplex to 1400mb full
>>> duplex.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 3:24 PM  wrote:
>>>
 Here is a circulator and BPF style.  "Should" work great with very
 little
 loss.
 But expensive.

 -Original Message-
 From: ch...@wbmfg.com
 Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:18 PM
 To: af@af.afmug.com
 Subject: Re: AF11 custom combiner

 This is the hybrid combiner version.

 -Original Message-
 From: ch...@wbmfg.com
 Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:06 PM
 To: Nate Burke ; af@af.afmug.com
 Subject: Re: AF11 custom combiner

 Now that I think about it, this will not work without sharp bandpass
 filters
 on the transmitters.
 To do what I have drawn here without the filters you would need a hybrid
 combiner on the TX and you will lose another 3 dB in that.

 So 6 dB loss over all from one end to the other.

 -Original Message-
 From: ch...@wbmfg.com
 Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:00 PM
 To: Nate Burke ; af@af.afmug.com
 Subject: AF11 custom combiner

 Nate, I am posting this to the list too.  Want to see if I made a
 mistake
 here.  I don't have a ton of experience with the internals of the AF11.
 I think each diplexer feeds a TX and an RX right?
 Not sure how good the RX input filters are.  So I used a splitter rather
 than circulators.

 Circulators would have less loss but you have to have a pretty sharp
 bandpass filter on the front of the receivers to do that trick.
 You could add the filters.

 Not sure this will work without TX filters too but I think it will.

 -Original Message-
 From: Nate Burke
 Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 11:15 AM
 To: ch...@wbmfg.com
 Subject: Re: Re: AF11 custom combiner

 Both paths are dual polarity v/h
 SiteA
 Radio1 TX 11505
 Radio2 TX 11225

 SiteB
 Radio1 TX 11015
 Radio2 TX 10735

 Those are different Diplexers on the AF11 Radios  11015x11505 is the
 high diplexer  11225x10735 is the low diplexer.  If they were just
 single pol licenses, I'm already doing that with 2 radios on 1 AF11
 dish, one radio on V one radio on H.

 Thanks,
 Nate


 On 3/25/2020 12:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
 > 10735 is pretty close to 11015.  Would these be tx frequencies?
 > Need to know what is RX and what is TX at this site.  Also what is on
 what
 > polarization.
 > -Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Wednesday, March 25,
 > 2020 10:55 AM To: ch...@wbmfg.com Subject: Re: AF11 custom combiner
 > The boss is asking the questions, and in his mind it should be as
 simple
 > as wire-nutting the 3 coax's together.  So I have to follow up with
 why
 > that won't work and present a solution for him.
 >
 > Channels we have are
 > 11505x11015 (high)
 > 11225x10735 (low)
 >
 > Thanks,
 > Nate
 >
 > On 3/25/2020 11:10 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
 >> Yes, you can do that and it is lossy.
 >> Circulators and splitters are frequently used.
 >> Being high/low licenses makes things a bit more difficult.
 >>
 >> If you can give me details as to what radios and frequencies you
 want to
 >> put on the AF11 dish I can think on it a bit.
 >>
 >> -Original Message- From: Nate Burke
 >> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:44 AM
 >> To: Chuck McCown
 >> Subject: AF11 custom combiner
 >>
 >> Chuck, We've been using your AF11 REMEC adapters in a couple
 places.  I
 >> have a location where I can't physically add another Dish, but I do
 have
 >> 2 licensed channels to the site.  1 high band and 1 low band. Is
 there
 >> a way to combine 2 dual band radios onto the same dish?  I already
 have
 >> the AF11 dish installed, so if there was just a way to do a
 >> splitter/combiner with the N Connectors, that would be ideal.  I
 didn't
 >> know if such a beast existed, or if it was something in your
 >> engineering/production toolbag, or if it's technically impossible.
 

Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

[Brian Webster]

Having had to deal with Google on their Fiber builds in California.. I can 
attest to that. Rooms full of 30 somethings who talk to themselves and believe 
their own hype. Try to tell them about any reality and they just say, we are 
Google that can't stop us.. They learned that their name was not the magic 
word. Those pesky zoning, building and pole engineering requirements didn't 
know who Google was..and they really didn't care either.

Thank you,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com

-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 7:44 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

Truth is always the funniest!

On 3/29/20 3:50 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> Now THAT is funny.
>
> -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 
> 3:40 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query
> Or..."Why Google fails at so many new projects..."
>
> On 3/29/20 2:31 PM, Larry Smith wrote:
>> On Sun March 29 2020 14:49, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
>>> And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees and perfect GPAs
>>> that went no where.
>> We used to call them paper tigers, loads of degrees and certifications,
>> but could not do the actual job.
>>
>
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[AFMUG] Announcement: TowerCoverage Intro Video

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We have recently added a new Intro video to 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

[Ken Hohhof]

Well, that demolishes the jocks=troglodytes stereotype.

 

And looking it up, apparently troglodyte means cave dweller aka caveman.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 10:06 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

 

I guess it all depends on upbringing. My father was a D1 football scholarship 
athlete and got a BSEE and MS in biomedical engineering in addition to being a 
fighter pilot. My grandfather was also a highshool athlete who got a deferred 
congressional nomination to the Naval Academy, but ended up going to Univ. of 
Akron instead and graduated with a BSEE. He ended up being one of Werner Von 
Braun's best friends and they did a lot of work on missiles and rockets  
together. I was a three sport athlete in HS and had offers for football and 
soccer for college. I ended up taking a soccer scholarship mostly because I had 
a neck injury that I was afraid would be compounded if I played college level 
football. I ended up with a BSEE as well. I'm 48 and still play organized 
soccer at least once and sometimes twice a week. We aren't all troglodytes.

 

 

On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 6:44 PM Robert mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> > wrote:

Truth is always the funniest!

On 3/29/20 3:50 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:
> Now THAT is funny.
>
> -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 
> 3:40 PM To: af@af.afmug.com   Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT 
> an honest query
> Or..."Why Google fails at so many new projects..."
>
> On 3/29/20 2:31 PM, Larry Smith wrote:
>> On Sun March 29 2020 14:49, can...@believewireless.net 
>>   wrote:
>>> And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees and perfect GPAs
>>> that went no where.
>> We used to call them paper tigers, loads of degrees and certifications,
>> but could not do the actual job.
>>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

[Mike Hammett]

Meaning that you drink Jack? 




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- Original Message -

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 11:37:24 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work 




I am technically a “Jack” Mormon anymore. 




From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 10:14 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work 


Who said you mormons aren't any fun? 


On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:02 AM < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






I think it works better to mix 1.5 cups of everclear with several packages of 
jello and some water. 
Refrigerate the mix until it sets up. 

Liberally apply the jello to the inside of your mouth. 




From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 8:47 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work 


>From an MD friend of mine...Mix 1.5 cups everclear with 2/3 cup aloe gel. This 
>gets you 62-65% ethanol. At my local liquor store, they had plenty of 
>Everclear and it's cheap. 




On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 11:52 PM Robert < i...@avantwireless.com > wrote: 



at 70 percent you better just wave the aloe over it because that is going to 
need to be the end concentration to be an effective solution... 


On 3/28/20 9:13 PM, Doug Hass wrote: 




Both of my local CVS stores have 70%. The higher percentage stuff is really 
difficult to find. 

For disinfectants, incidentally, vet supply companies have tons of supply if 
you are running short of Lysol/etc. Stericide and other brands are even still 
available on Amazon. 



El El sáb, mar. 28, 2020 a la(s) 9:50 p. m., Tushar Patel < tpa...@ecpi.com > 
escribió: 



I want to know the same. 


Tushar 




On Mar 28, 2020, at 9:06 PM, Ken Hohhof < af...@kwisp.com > wrote: 














Where are people finding masks, gloves, and sanitizer gel or wipes? 

Seems like none available online, and I don’t want to drive to a dozen stores 
hoping to find some on the shelf. 


From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Chris Fabien 
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2020 8:28 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work 




Chuck, we came up with a very similar approach. No shared trucks, no shared 
spaces like lunchrooms, our office building only has 3-4 employees in a 3200 
sqft building with 4 restrooms so we are assigning a restroom to each person 
and literally zero contact, call them on the phone if you need something. OSP 
guys working solo as much as possible. We are providing masks, gloves, 
sanitizer for the techs with customer contact and avoiding in-home work as much 
as possible although some amount is unavoidable. I set up SMS on our office 
number so we can ask customers text us a photo of your router, cords, cable you 
just cut in the yard etc. 



On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 11:52 AM < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






I have stepped up our response to this at work. 

Comments and suggestions are very much welcome. 



1) Mechanic will work swing shift. No overlap with day shift employees. 

2) PCB production stays in their part of the building. 

3) Fabrication stay in their part of the building. 

4) Avoid the lunchroom. 

5) OSP construction one person per truck. 

6) Bring lunch from home and eat it alone in the truck. 

7) Vac excavators will have to do it with one person. Much slower but safer. 

8) More 2 way radio use to try to enforce the 10 foot rule. 



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Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

[chuck]

Oh, I did read a book about the Moab uranium boom.  I knew some of the Hunt 
family.  

From: Robert 
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 10:34 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

Charlie Steen, amazing guy who found uranium in Utah and had a wild life...   


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Steen



On 3/30/20 8:59 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  No, I grew up in Oregon.  Who is Steen?

  From: Robert 
  Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 9:56 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

  Chuck, were you around Utah when Steen was making the splash around southern 
Utah?


  On 3/30/20 8:43 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I envy the role models you had.  

I came from dirt farmers, we lived in an unpainted house and the bathroom 
was a little building up the hill out the back door.  Electricity is magic.

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 9:40 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

LOL! You might be on to something.

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 10:37 AM  wrote:

  But just think though, without the sports you could have been successful!

  From: Cameron Crum 
  Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 9:06 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

  I guess it all depends on upbringing. My father was a D1 football 
scholarship athlete and got a BSEE and MS in biomedical engineering in addition 
to being a fighter pilot. My grandfather was also a highshool athlete who got a 
deferred congressional nomination to the Naval Academy, but ended up going to 
Univ. of Akron instead and graduated with a BSEE. He ended up being one of 
Werner Von Braun's best friends and they did a lot of work on missiles and 
rockets  together. I was a three sport athlete in HS and had offers for 
football and soccer for college. I ended up taking a soccer scholarship mostly 
because I had a neck injury that I was afraid would be compounded if I played 
college level football. I ended up with a BSEE as well. I'm 48 and still play 
organized soccer at least once and sometimes twice a week. We aren't all 
troglodytes. 


  On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 6:44 PM Robert  wrote:

Truth is always the funniest!

On 3/29/20 3:50 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> Now THAT is funny.
>
> -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 
> 3:40 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query
> Or..."Why Google fails at so many new projects..."
>
> On 3/29/20 2:31 PM, Larry Smith wrote:
>> On Sun March 29 2020 14:49, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
>>> And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees and perfect 
GPAs
>>> that went no where.
>> We used to call them paper tigers, loads of degrees and 
certifications,
>> but could not do the actual job.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

[chuck]

I am technically a “Jack” Mormon anymore.  

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 10:14 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

Who said you mormons aren't any fun?

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:02 AM  wrote:

  I think it works better to mix 1.5 cups of everclear with several packages of 
jello and some water.  
  Refrigerate the mix until it sets up.

  Liberally apply the jello to the inside of your mouth.  

  From: Cameron Crum 
  Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 8:47 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

  From an MD friend of mine...Mix 1.5 cups everclear with 2/3 cup aloe gel. 
This gets you 62-65% ethanol. At my local liquor store, they had plenty of 
Everclear and it's cheap.  



  On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 11:52 PM Robert  wrote:

at 70 percent you better just wave the aloe over it because that is going 
to need to be the end concentration to be an effective solution...


On 3/28/20 9:13 PM, Doug Hass wrote:

  Both of my local CVS stores have 70%. The higher percentage stuff is 
really difficult to find.

  For disinfectants, incidentally, vet supply companies have tons of supply 
if you are running short of Lysol/etc. Stericide and other brands are even 
still available on Amazon.

  El El sáb, mar. 28, 2020 a la(s) 9:50 p. m., Tushar Patel 
 escribió:

I want to know the same.


Tushar 



  On Mar 28, 2020, at 9:06 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:


  
  Where are people finding masks, gloves, and sanitizer gel or wipes?



  Seems like none available online, and I don’t want to drive to a 
dozen stores hoping to find some on the shelf.





  From: AF  On Behalf Of Chris Fabien
  Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2020 8:28 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work





  Chuck, we came up with a very similar approach. No shared trucks, no 
shared spaces like lunchrooms, our office building only has 3-4 employees in a 
3200 sqft building with 4 restrooms so we are assigning a restroom to each 
person and literally zero contact, call them on the phone if you need 
something. OSP guys working solo as much as possible. We are providing masks, 
gloves, sanitizer for the techs with customer contact and avoiding in-home work 
as much as possible although some amount is unavoidable. I set up SMS on our 
office number so we can ask customers text us a photo of your router, cords, 
cable you just cut in the yard etc. 



  On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 11:52 AM  wrote:

I have stepped up our response to this at work.

Comments and suggestions are very much welcome.



1)Mechanic will work swing shift.  No overlap with day shift 
employees.

2)PCB production stays in their part of the building.

3)Fabrication stay in their part of the building.

4)Avoid the lunchroom.

5)OSP construction one person per truck.

6)Bring lunch from home and eat it alone in the truck.

7)Vac excavators will have to do it with one person.  Much 
slower but safer.

8)More 2 way radio use to try to enforce the 10 foot rule.



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Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

[Robert]

Charlie Steen, amazing guy who found uranium in Utah and had a wild life...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Steen


On 3/30/20 8:59 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

No, I grew up in Oregon.  Who is Steen?
*From:* Robert
*Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2020 9:56 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query
Chuck, were you around Utah when Steen was making the splash around 
southern Utah?


On 3/30/20 8:43 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I envy the role models you had.
I came from dirt farmers, we lived in an unpainted house and the 
bathroom was a little building up the hill out the back door.  
Electricity is magic.

*From:* Cameron Crum
*Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2020 9:40 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query
LOL! You might be on to something.
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 10:37 AM  wrote:

But just think though, without the sports you could have been
successful!
*From:* Cameron Crum
*Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2020 9:06 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query
I guess it all depends on upbringing. My father was a D1 football
scholarship athlete and got a BSEE and MS in biomedical
engineering in addition to being a fighter pilot. My grandfather
was also a highshool athlete who got a deferred congressional
nomination to the Naval Academy, but ended up going to Univ. of
Akron instead and graduated with a BSEE. He ended up being one of
Werner Von Braun's best friends and they did a lot of work on
missiles and rockets together. I was a three sport athlete in HS
and had offers for football and soccer for college. I ended up
taking a soccer scholarship mostly because I had a neck injury
that I was afraid would be compounded if I played college level
football. I ended up with a BSEE as well. I'm 48 and still play
organized soccer at least once and sometimes twice a week. We
aren't all troglodytes.
On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 6:44 PM Robert 
wrote:

Truth is always the funniest!

On 3/29/20 3:50 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> Now THAT is funny.
>
> -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Sunday, March
29, 2020
> 3:40 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an
honest query
> Or...    "Why Google fails at so many new projects..."
>
> On 3/29/20 2:31 PM, Larry Smith wrote:
>> On Sun March 29 2020 14:49, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
>>> And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees
and perfect GPAs
>>> that went no where.
>> We used to call them paper tigers, loads of degrees and
certifications,
>> but could not do the actual job.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

[Adam Moffett]

I was going to mention upbringing, but I didn't want to seem whiny.  I 
don't think I was a weak or unathletic kid.  There was just no emphasis 
on organized sports at our house.  I could outrun most other kids on 
foot or on a bike.  I did a lot of outdoor climbing, hiking, and 
such.    But baseball, soccer, football, etc just weren't things I ever 
did, so I sucked at all of them.  I could never throw or catch very well 
either.just not something I ever did outside of gym class.


I think the "troglodyte" label doesn't have anything to do with being 
athletic.  I think it's that we glorify certain games and certain kids 
who are good at those games start to think that this one skill makes 
them better than other people.  Then those kids begin to assert 
themselves in the manner of a troglodyte.


Of course I've never met any actual early hominids so maybe troglodytes 
were total sweat hearts for all I know.



On 3/30/2020 11:36 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

But just think though, without the sports you could have been successful!
*From:* Cameron Crum
*Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2020 9:06 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query
I guess it all depends on upbringing. My father was a D1 football 
scholarship athlete and got a BSEE and MS in biomedical engineering in 
addition to being a fighter pilot. My grandfather was also a highshool 
athlete who got a deferred congressional nomination to the Naval 
Academy, but ended up going to Univ. of Akron instead and graduated 
with a BSEE. He ended up being one of Werner Von Braun's best friends 
and they did a lot of work on missiles and rockets  together. I was a 
three sport athlete in HS and had offers for football and soccer for 
college. I ended up taking a soccer scholarship mostly because I had a 
neck injury that I was afraid would be compounded if I played college 
level football. I ended up with a BSEE as well. I'm 48 and still play 
organized soccer at least once and sometimes twice a week. We aren't 
all troglodytes.

On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 6:44 PM Robert  wrote:

Truth is always the funniest!

On 3/29/20 3:50 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> Now THAT is funny.
>
> -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Sunday, March 29,
2020
> 3:40 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query
> Or...    "Why Google fails at so many new projects..."
>
> On 3/29/20 2:31 PM, Larry Smith wrote:
>> On Sun March 29 2020 14:49, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
>>> And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees and
perfect GPAs
>>> that went no where.
>> We used to call them paper tigers, loads of degrees and
certifications,
>> but could not do the actual job.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

[Cameron Crum]

Who said you mormons aren't any fun?

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 11:02 AM  wrote:

> I think it works better to mix 1.5 cups of everclear with several packages
> of jello and some water.
> Refrigerate the mix until it sets up.
>
> Liberally apply the jello to the inside of your mouth.
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2020 8:47 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work
>
> From an MD friend of mine...Mix 1.5 cups everclear with 2/3 cup aloe gel.
> This gets you 62-65% ethanol. At my local liquor store, they had plenty of
> Everclear and it's cheap.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 11:52 PM Robert  wrote:
>
>> at 70 percent you better just wave the aloe over it because that is going
>> to need to be the end concentration to be an effective solution...
>>
>> On 3/28/20 9:13 PM, Doug Hass wrote:
>>
>> Both of my local CVS stores have 70%. The higher percentage stuff is
>> really difficult to find.
>>
>> For disinfectants, incidentally, vet supply companies have tons of supply
>> if you are running short of Lysol/etc. Stericide and other brands are even
>> still available on Amazon.
>>
>> El El sáb, mar. 28, 2020 a la(s) 9:50 p. m., Tushar Patel <
>> tpa...@ecpi.com> escribió:
>>
>>> I want to know the same.
>>>
>>> Tushar
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 28, 2020, at 9:06 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Where are people finding masks, gloves, and sanitizer gel or wipes?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Seems like none available online, and I don’t want to drive to a dozen
>>> stores hoping to find some on the shelf.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chris Fabien
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 28, 2020 8:28 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chuck, we came up with a very similar approach. No shared trucks, no
>>> shared spaces like lunchrooms, our office building only has 3-4 employees
>>> in a 3200 sqft building with 4 restrooms so we are assigning a restroom to
>>> each person and literally zero contact, call them on the phone if you need
>>> something. OSP guys working solo as much as possible. We are providing
>>> masks, gloves, sanitizer for the techs with customer contact and avoiding
>>> in-home work as much as possible although some amount is unavoidable. I set
>>> up SMS on our office number so we can ask customers text us a photo of your
>>> router, cords, cable you just cut in the yard etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 11:52 AM  wrote:
>>>
>>> I have stepped up our response to this at work.
>>>
>>> Comments and suggestions are very much welcome.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1)Mechanic will work swing shift.  No overlap with day shift
>>> employees.
>>>
>>> 2)PCB production stays in their part of the building.
>>>
>>> 3)Fabrication stay in their part of the building.
>>>
>>> 4)Avoid the lunchroom.
>>>
>>> 5)OSP construction one person per truck.
>>>
>>> 6)Bring lunch from home and eat it alone in the truck.
>>>
>>> 7)Vac excavators will have to do it with one person.  Much slower
>>> but safer.
>>>
>>> 8)More 2 way radio use to try to enforce the 10 foot rule.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

[Ken Hohhof]

I wonder if Sterno could be used as hand sanitizer.  Or pudding.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 10:46 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

 

Isopropyl doesn’t taste all that bad... 

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 9:44 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

 

Everclear also won’t have the bad tasting stuff they add to isopropyl alcohol.  
Although maybe that would be a good thing, since we’re not supposed to be 
touching our faces.

 

I’m looking at a bottle of MG Chemicals Isopropyl Alcohol Electronics Cleaner 
99.953% Pure Anhydrous on a shelf here along with the soldering supplies.  That 
sounds strong enough.  I have it for washing flux off PCBs.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 9:48 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

 

>From an MD friend of mine...Mix 1.5 cups everclear with 2/3 cup aloe gel. This 
>gets you 62-65% ethanol. At my local liquor store, they had plenty of 
>Everclear and it's cheap. 

 

 

 

On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 11:52 PM Robert mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> > wrote:

at 70 percent you better just wave the aloe over it because that is going to 
need to be the end concentration to be an effective solution...

On 3/28/20 9:13 PM, Doug Hass wrote:

Both of my local CVS stores have 70%. The higher percentage stuff is really 
difficult to find.

 

For disinfectants, incidentally, vet supply companies have tons of supply if 
you are running short of Lysol/etc. Stericide and other brands are even still 
available on Amazon.

 

El El sáb, mar. 28, 2020 a la(s) 9:50 p. m., Tushar Patel mailto:tpa...@ecpi.com> > escribió:

I want to know the same.

Tushar 

 

 

On Mar 28, 2020, at 9:06 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:



Where are people finding masks, gloves, and sanitizer gel or wipes?

 

Seems like none available online, and I don’t want to drive to a dozen stores 
hoping to find some on the shelf.

 

 

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Of Chris Fabien
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2020 8:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

 

 

Chuck, we came up with a very similar approach. No shared trucks, no shared 
spaces like lunchrooms, our office building only has 3-4 employees in a 3200 
sqft building with 4 restrooms so we are assigning a restroom to each person 
and literally zero contact, call them on the phone if you need something. OSP 
guys working solo as much as possible. We are providing masks, gloves, 
sanitizer for the techs with customer contact and avoiding in-home work as much 
as possible although some amount is unavoidable. I set up SMS on our office 
number so we can ask customers text us a photo of your router, cords, cable you 
just cut in the yard etc. 

 

On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 11:52 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

I have stepped up our response to this at work.

Comments and suggestions are very much welcome.

 

1)Mechanic will work swing shift.  No overlap with day shift employees.

2)PCB production stays in their part of the building.

3)Fabrication stay in their part of the building.

4)Avoid the lunchroom.

5)OSP construction one person per truck.

6)Bring lunch from home and eat it alone in the truck.

7)Vac excavators will have to do it with one person.  Much slower but safer.

8)More 2 way radio use to try to enforce the 10 foot rule.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

[chuck]

I think it works better to mix 1.5 cups of everclear with several packages of 
jello and some water.  
Refrigerate the mix until it sets up.

Liberally apply the jello to the inside of your mouth.  

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 8:47 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

>From an MD friend of mine...Mix 1.5 cups everclear with 2/3 cup aloe gel. This 
>gets you 62-65% ethanol. At my local liquor store, they had plenty of 
>Everclear and it's cheap.  



On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 11:52 PM Robert  wrote:

  at 70 percent you better just wave the aloe over it because that is going to 
need to be the end concentration to be an effective solution...


  On 3/28/20 9:13 PM, Doug Hass wrote:

Both of my local CVS stores have 70%. The higher percentage stuff is really 
difficult to find.

For disinfectants, incidentally, vet supply companies have tons of supply 
if you are running short of Lysol/etc. Stericide and other brands are even 
still available on Amazon.

El El sáb, mar. 28, 2020 a la(s) 9:50 p. m., Tushar Patel  
escribió:

  I want to know the same.


  Tushar 



On Mar 28, 2020, at 9:06 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:



Where are people finding masks, gloves, and sanitizer gel or wipes?



Seems like none available online, and I don’t want to drive to a dozen 
stores hoping to find some on the shelf.





From: AF  On Behalf Of Chris Fabien
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2020 8:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work





Chuck, we came up with a very similar approach. No shared trucks, no 
shared spaces like lunchrooms, our office building only has 3-4 employees in a 
3200 sqft building with 4 restrooms so we are assigning a restroom to each 
person and literally zero contact, call them on the phone if you need 
something. OSP guys working solo as much as possible. We are providing masks, 
gloves, sanitizer for the techs with customer contact and avoiding in-home work 
as much as possible although some amount is unavoidable. I set up SMS on our 
office number so we can ask customers text us a photo of your router, cords, 
cable you just cut in the yard etc. 



On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 11:52 AM  wrote:

  I have stepped up our response to this at work.

  Comments and suggestions are very much welcome.



  1)Mechanic will work swing shift.  No overlap with day shift 
employees.

  2)PCB production stays in their part of the building.

  3)Fabrication stay in their part of the building.

  4)Avoid the lunchroom.

  5)OSP construction one person per truck.

  6)Bring lunch from home and eat it alone in the truck.

  7)Vac excavators will have to do it with one person.  Much slower 
but safer.

  8)More 2 way radio use to try to enforce the 10 foot rule.



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Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

[chuck]

No, I grew up in Oregon.  Who is Steen?

From: Robert 
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 9:56 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

Chuck, were you around Utah when Steen was making the splash around southern 
Utah?


On 3/30/20 8:43 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  I envy the role models you had.  

  I came from dirt farmers, we lived in an unpainted house and the bathroom was 
a little building up the hill out the back door.  Electricity is magic.

  From: Cameron Crum 
  Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 9:40 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

  LOL! You might be on to something.

  On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 10:37 AM  wrote:

But just think though, without the sports you could have been successful!

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 9:06 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

I guess it all depends on upbringing. My father was a D1 football 
scholarship athlete and got a BSEE and MS in biomedical engineering in addition 
to being a fighter pilot. My grandfather was also a highshool athlete who got a 
deferred congressional nomination to the Naval Academy, but ended up going to 
Univ. of Akron instead and graduated with a BSEE. He ended up being one of 
Werner Von Braun's best friends and they did a lot of work on missiles and 
rockets  together. I was a three sport athlete in HS and had offers for 
football and soccer for college. I ended up taking a soccer scholarship mostly 
because I had a neck injury that I was afraid would be compounded if I played 
college level football. I ended up with a BSEE as well. I'm 48 and still play 
organized soccer at least once and sometimes twice a week. We aren't all 
troglodytes. 


On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 6:44 PM Robert  wrote:

  Truth is always the funniest!

  On 3/29/20 3:50 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
  > Now THAT is funny.
  >
  > -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 
  > 3:40 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query
  > Or..."Why Google fails at so many new projects..."
  >
  > On 3/29/20 2:31 PM, Larry Smith wrote:
  >> On Sun March 29 2020 14:49, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
  >>> And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees and perfect 
GPAs
  >>> that went no where.
  >> We used to call them paper tigers, loads of degrees and certifications,
  >> but could not do the actual job.
  >>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

[Robert]

That's the stuff!   Grab it!

On 3/30/20 8:44 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Everclear also won’t have the bad tasting stuff they add to isopropyl 
alcohol.  Although maybe that would be a good thing, since we’re not 
supposed to be touching our faces.


I’m looking at a bottle of MG Chemicals Isopropyl Alcohol Electronics 
Cleaner 99.953% Pure Anhydrous on a shelf here along with the 
soldering supplies.  That sounds strong enough.  I have it for washing 
flux off PCBs.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
*Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2020 9:48 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

From an MD friend of mine...Mix 1.5 cups everclear with 2/3 cup aloe 
gel. This gets you 62-65% ethanol. At my local liquor store, they had 
plenty of Everclear and it's cheap.


On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 11:52 PM Robert > wrote:


at 70 percent you better just wave the aloe over it because that
is going to need to be the end concentration to be an effective
solution...

On 3/28/20 9:13 PM, Doug Hass wrote:

Both of my local CVS stores have 70%. The higher percentage
stuff is really difficult to find.

For disinfectants, incidentally, vet supply companies have
tons of supply if you are running short of Lysol/etc.
Stericide and other brands are even still available on Amazon.

El El sáb, mar. 28, 2020 a la(s) 9:50 p. m., Tushar Patel
mailto:tpa...@ecpi.com>> escribió:

I want to know the same.

Tushar



On Mar 28, 2020, at 9:06 PM, Ken Hohhof
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:



Where are people finding masks, gloves, and sanitizer
gel or wipes?

Seems like none available online, and I don’t want to
drive to a dozen stores hoping to find some on the shelf.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Chris
Fabien
*Sent:* Saturday, March 28, 2020 8:28 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

Chuck, we came up with a very similar approach. No
shared trucks, no shared spaces like lunchrooms, our
office building only has 3-4 employees in a 3200 sqft
building with 4 restrooms so we are assigning a
restroom to each person and literally zero contact,
call them on the phone if you need something. OSP guys
working solo as much as possible. We are providing
masks, gloves, sanitizer for the techs with customer
contact and avoiding in-home work as much as possible
although some amount is unavoidable. I set up SMS on
our office number so we can ask customers text us a
photo of your router, cords, cable you just cut in the
yard etc.

On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 11:52 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I have stepped up our response to this at work.

Comments and suggestions are very much welcome.

1)    Mechanic will work swing shift.  No overlap
with day shift employees.

2)    PCB production stays in their part of the
building.

3)    Fabrication stay in their part of the building.

4)    Avoid the lunchroom.

5)    OSP construction one person per truck.

6)    Bring lunch from home and eat it alone in
the truck.

7)    Vac excavators will have to do it with one
person. Much slower but safer.

8)    More 2 way radio use to try to enforce the
10 foot rule.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

[Robert]

Chuck, were you around Utah when Steen was making the splash around 
southern Utah?


On 3/30/20 8:43 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I envy the role models you had.
I came from dirt farmers, we lived in an unpainted house and the 
bathroom was a little building up the hill out the back door.  
Electricity is magic.

*From:* Cameron Crum
*Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2020 9:40 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query
LOL! You might be on to something.
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 10:37 AM  wrote:

But just think though, without the sports you could have been
successful!
*From:* Cameron Crum
*Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2020 9:06 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query
I guess it all depends on upbringing. My father was a D1 football
scholarship athlete and got a BSEE and MS in biomedical
engineering in addition to being a fighter pilot. My grandfather
was also a highshool athlete who got a deferred congressional
nomination to the Naval Academy, but ended up going to Univ. of
Akron instead and graduated with a BSEE. He ended up being one of
Werner Von Braun's best friends and they did a lot of work on
missiles and rockets  together. I was a three sport athlete in HS
and had offers for football and soccer for college. I ended up
taking a soccer scholarship mostly because I had a neck injury
that I was afraid would be compounded if I played college level
football. I ended up with a BSEE as well. I'm 48 and still play
organized soccer at least once and sometimes twice a week. We
aren't all troglodytes.
On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 6:44 PM Robert  wrote:

Truth is always the funniest!

On 3/29/20 3:50 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> Now THAT is funny.
>
> -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Sunday, March
29, 2020
> 3:40 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an
honest query
> Or...    "Why Google fails at so many new projects..."
>
> On 3/29/20 2:31 PM, Larry Smith wrote:
>> On Sun March 29 2020 14:49, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
>>> And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees and
perfect GPAs
>>> that went no where.
>> We used to call them paper tigers, loads of degrees and
certifications,
>> but could not do the actual job.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

[Cameron Crum]

Yeah, it was pretty amazing. One of the reasons my grandfather got the
academy recommendation is because he built his one generator out of a
tractor motor and sold electricity to his nearby neighbors for $0.25  per
lightbulb/month when he was 17. He grew up in a house with a dirt floor and
no electricity in eastern KY with 13 brothers and sisters. His father was a
cooper. He was a huge influence on my life. I think sometimes it takes
upbringings like yours and his to really foster that creative "gene". When
you  have to build or make everything you have, you teach yourself a lot.

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 10:44 AM  wrote:

> I envy the role models you had.
>
> I came from dirt farmers, we lived in an unpainted house and the bathroom
> was a little building up the hill out the back door.  Electricity is magic.
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2020 9:40 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query
>
> LOL! You might be on to something.
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 10:37 AM  wrote:
>
>> But just think though, without the sports you could have been successful!
>>
>> *From:* Cameron Crum
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2020 9:06 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query
>>
>> I guess it all depends on upbringing. My father was a D1 football
>> scholarship athlete and got a BSEE and MS in biomedical engineering in
>> addition to being a fighter pilot. My grandfather was also a highshool
>> athlete who got a deferred congressional nomination to the Naval Academy,
>> but ended up going to Univ. of Akron instead and graduated with a BSEE. He
>> ended up being one of Werner Von Braun's best friends and they did a lot of
>> work on missiles and rockets  together. I was a three sport athlete in HS
>> and had offers for football and soccer for college. I ended up taking a
>> soccer scholarship mostly because I had a neck injury that I was afraid
>> would be compounded if I played college level football. I ended up with a
>> BSEE as well. I'm 48 and still play organized soccer at least once and
>> sometimes twice a week. We aren't all troglodytes.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 6:44 PM Robert  wrote:
>>
>>> Truth is always the funniest!
>>>
>>> On 3/29/20 3:50 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>> > Now THAT is funny.
>>> >
>>> > -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020
>>> > 3:40 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query
>>> > Or..."Why Google fails at so many new projects..."
>>> >
>>> > On 3/29/20 2:31 PM, Larry Smith wrote:
>>> >> On Sun March 29 2020 14:49, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
>>> >>> And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees and perfect
>>> GPAs
>>> >>> that went no where.
>>> >> We used to call them paper tigers, loads of degrees and
>>> certifications,
>>> >> but could not do the actual job.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

[chuck]

Isopropyl doesn’t taste all that bad... 

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 9:44 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

Everclear also won’t have the bad tasting stuff they add to isopropyl alcohol.  
Although maybe that would be a good thing, since we’re not supposed to be 
touching our faces.

 

I’m looking at a bottle of MG Chemicals Isopropyl Alcohol Electronics Cleaner 
99.953% Pure Anhydrous on a shelf here along with the soldering supplies.  That 
sounds strong enough.  I have it for washing flux off PCBs.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 9:48 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

 

>From an MD friend of mine...Mix 1.5 cups everclear with 2/3 cup aloe gel. This 
>gets you 62-65% ethanol. At my local liquor store, they had plenty of 
>Everclear and it's cheap. 

 

 

 

On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 11:52 PM Robert  wrote:

  at 70 percent you better just wave the aloe over it because that is going to 
need to be the end concentration to be an effective solution...

  On 3/28/20 9:13 PM, Doug Hass wrote:

Both of my local CVS stores have 70%. The higher percentage stuff is really 
difficult to find.

 

For disinfectants, incidentally, vet supply companies have tons of supply 
if you are running short of Lysol/etc. Stericide and other brands are even 
still available on Amazon.

 

El El sáb, mar. 28, 2020 a la(s) 9:50 p. m., Tushar Patel  
escribió:

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On Mar 28, 2020, at 9:06 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:



Where are people finding masks, gloves, and sanitizer gel or wipes?

 

Seems like none available online, and I don’t want to drive to a dozen 
stores hoping to find some on the shelf.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chris Fabien
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2020 8:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

 

 

Chuck, we came up with a very similar approach. No shared trucks, no 
shared spaces like lunchrooms, our office building only has 3-4 employees in a 
3200 sqft building with 4 restrooms so we are assigning a restroom to each 
person and literally zero contact, call them on the phone if you need 
something. OSP guys working solo as much as possible. We are providing masks, 
gloves, sanitizer for the techs with customer contact and avoiding in-home work 
as much as possible although some amount is unavoidable. I set up SMS on our 
office number so we can ask customers text us a photo of your router, cords, 
cable you just cut in the yard etc. 

 

On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 11:52 AM  wrote:

  I have stepped up our response to this at work.

  Comments and suggestions are very much welcome.

   

  1)Mechanic will work swing shift.  No overlap with day shift 
employees.

  2)PCB production stays in their part of the building.

  3)Fabrication stay in their part of the building.

  4)Avoid the lunchroom.

  5)OSP construction one person per truck.

  6)Bring lunch from home and eat it alone in the truck.

  7)Vac excavators will have to do it with one person.  Much slower 
but safer.

  8)More 2 way radio use to try to enforce the 10 foot rule.

   

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

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Everclear also won’t have the bad tasting stuff they add to isopropyl alcohol.  
Although maybe that would be a good thing, since we’re not supposed to be 
touching our faces.

 

I’m looking at a bottle of MG Chemicals Isopropyl Alcohol Electronics Cleaner 
99.953% Pure Anhydrous on a shelf here along with the soldering supplies.  That 
sounds strong enough.  I have it for washing flux off PCBs.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 9:48 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

 

>From an MD friend of mine...Mix 1.5 cups everclear with 2/3 cup aloe gel. This 
>gets you 62-65% ethanol. At my local liquor store, they had plenty of 
>Everclear and it's cheap. 

 

 

 

On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 11:52 PM Robert mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> > wrote:

at 70 percent you better just wave the aloe over it because that is going to 
need to be the end concentration to be an effective solution...

On 3/28/20 9:13 PM, Doug Hass wrote:

Both of my local CVS stores have 70%. The higher percentage stuff is really 
difficult to find.

 

For disinfectants, incidentally, vet supply companies have tons of supply if 
you are running short of Lysol/etc. Stericide and other brands are even still 
available on Amazon.

 

El El sáb, mar. 28, 2020 a la(s) 9:50 p. m., Tushar Patel mailto:tpa...@ecpi.com> > escribió:

I want to know the same.

Tushar 

 





On Mar 28, 2020, at 9:06 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:



Where are people finding masks, gloves, and sanitizer gel or wipes?

 

Seems like none available online, and I don’t want to drive to a dozen stores 
hoping to find some on the shelf.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Chris Fabien
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2020 8:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

 

 

Chuck, we came up with a very similar approach. No shared trucks, no shared 
spaces like lunchrooms, our office building only has 3-4 employees in a 3200 
sqft building with 4 restrooms so we are assigning a restroom to each person 
and literally zero contact, call them on the phone if you need something. OSP 
guys working solo as much as possible. We are providing masks, gloves, 
sanitizer for the techs with customer contact and avoiding in-home work as much 
as possible although some amount is unavoidable. I set up SMS on our office 
number so we can ask customers text us a photo of your router, cords, cable you 
just cut in the yard etc. 

 

On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 11:52 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

I have stepped up our response to this at work.

Comments and suggestions are very much welcome.

 

1)Mechanic will work swing shift.  No overlap with day shift employees.

2)PCB production stays in their part of the building.

3)Fabrication stay in their part of the building.

4)Avoid the lunchroom.

5)OSP construction one person per truck.

6)Bring lunch from home and eat it alone in the truck.

7)Vac excavators will have to do it with one person.  Much slower but safer.

8)More 2 way radio use to try to enforce the 10 foot rule.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

[chuck]

I envy the role models you had.  

I came from dirt farmers, we lived in an unpainted house and the bathroom was a 
little building up the hill out the back door.  Electricity is magic.

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 9:40 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

LOL! You might be on to something.

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 10:37 AM  wrote:

  But just think though, without the sports you could have been successful!

  From: Cameron Crum 
  Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 9:06 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

  I guess it all depends on upbringing. My father was a D1 football scholarship 
athlete and got a BSEE and MS in biomedical engineering in addition to being a 
fighter pilot. My grandfather was also a highshool athlete who got a deferred 
congressional nomination to the Naval Academy, but ended up going to Univ. of 
Akron instead and graduated with a BSEE. He ended up being one of Werner Von 
Braun's best friends and they did a lot of work on missiles and rockets  
together. I was a three sport athlete in HS and had offers for football and 
soccer for college. I ended up taking a soccer scholarship mostly because I had 
a neck injury that I was afraid would be compounded if I played college level 
football. I ended up with a BSEE as well. I'm 48 and still play organized 
soccer at least once and sometimes twice a week. We aren't all troglodytes. 


  On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 6:44 PM Robert  wrote:

Truth is always the funniest!

On 3/29/20 3:50 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> Now THAT is funny.
>
> -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 
> 3:40 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query
> Or..."Why Google fails at so many new projects..."
>
> On 3/29/20 2:31 PM, Larry Smith wrote:
>> On Sun March 29 2020 14:49, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
>>> And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees and perfect GPAs
>>> that went no where.
>> We used to call them paper tigers, loads of degrees and certifications,
>> but could not do the actual job.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

[Cameron Crum]

LOL! You might be on to something.

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 10:37 AM  wrote:

> But just think though, without the sports you could have been successful!
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2020 9:06 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query
>
> I guess it all depends on upbringing. My father was a D1 football
> scholarship athlete and got a BSEE and MS in biomedical engineering in
> addition to being a fighter pilot. My grandfather was also a highshool
> athlete who got a deferred congressional nomination to the Naval Academy,
> but ended up going to Univ. of Akron instead and graduated with a BSEE. He
> ended up being one of Werner Von Braun's best friends and they did a lot of
> work on missiles and rockets  together. I was a three sport athlete in HS
> and had offers for football and soccer for college. I ended up taking a
> soccer scholarship mostly because I had a neck injury that I was afraid
> would be compounded if I played college level football. I ended up with a
> BSEE as well. I'm 48 and still play organized soccer at least once and
> sometimes twice a week. We aren't all troglodytes.
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 6:44 PM Robert  wrote:
>
>> Truth is always the funniest!
>>
>> On 3/29/20 3:50 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> > Now THAT is funny.
>> >
>> > -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020
>> > 3:40 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query
>> > Or..."Why Google fails at so many new projects..."
>> >
>> > On 3/29/20 2:31 PM, Larry Smith wrote:
>> >> On Sun March 29 2020 14:49, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
>> >>> And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees and perfect
>> GPAs
>> >>> that went no where.
>> >> We used to call them paper tigers, loads of degrees and certifications,
>> >> but could not do the actual job.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

[chuck]

But just think though, without the sports you could have been successful!

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 9:06 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

I guess it all depends on upbringing. My father was a D1 football scholarship 
athlete and got a BSEE and MS in biomedical engineering in addition to being a 
fighter pilot. My grandfather was also a highshool athlete who got a deferred 
congressional nomination to the Naval Academy, but ended up going to Univ. of 
Akron instead and graduated with a BSEE. He ended up being one of Werner Von 
Braun's best friends and they did a lot of work on missiles and rockets  
together. I was a three sport athlete in HS and had offers for football and 
soccer for college. I ended up taking a soccer scholarship mostly because I had 
a neck injury that I was afraid would be compounded if I played college level 
football. I ended up with a BSEE as well. I'm 48 and still play organized 
soccer at least once and sometimes twice a week. We aren't all troglodytes. 


On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 6:44 PM Robert  wrote:

  Truth is always the funniest!

  On 3/29/20 3:50 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
  > Now THAT is funny.
  >
  > -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 
  > 3:40 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query
  > Or..."Why Google fails at so many new projects..."
  >
  > On 3/29/20 2:31 PM, Larry Smith wrote:
  >> On Sun March 29 2020 14:49, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
  >>> And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees and perfect GPAs
  >>> that went no where.
  >> We used to call them paper tigers, loads of degrees and certifications,
  >> but could not do the actual job.
  >>
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Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS

[Seth Mattinen]

On 3/30/20 8:16 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
No.  Just no.  No.  Back UPS are terrible.  Smart-UPS have been great to 
us over the years.


100% of our issues are Back UPS related.



I'll use a Back-UPS at home, but that's about it.

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Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS

[Josh Luthman]

No.  Just no.  No.  Back UPS are terrible.  Smart-UPS have been great to us
over the years.

100% of our issues are Back UPS related.

If you can, refurb ones are fantastic - especially the 750.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 8:44 AM Colin Stanners  wrote:

> We've seen many people use the APC Back-UPS series for a long time without
> issues. Older models had replaceable batteries and will often work fine
> with a new battery; they don't have a calibration command so it's good to
> put a light load (30-50%) and let them run down to empty once or twice so
> that they recalibrate themselves to the new battery.
>
> Some new Back-UPS models don't have the replaceable batteries.
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020, 7:10 AM can...@believewireless.net <
> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>
>> What is a good UPS to use at home?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

[Robert]

I like this guy, what do you think of him?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLWBG_fbJR0

On 3/30/20 7:47 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
From an MD friend of mine...Mix 1.5 cups everclear with 2/3 cup aloe 
gel. This gets you 62-65% ethanol. At my local liquor store, they had 
plenty of Everclear and it's cheap.




On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 11:52 PM Robert > wrote:


at 70 percent you better just wave the aloe over it because that
is going to need to be the end concentration to be an effective
solution...

On 3/28/20 9:13 PM, Doug Hass wrote:

Both of my local CVS stores have 70%. The higher percentage stuff
is really difficult to find.

For disinfectants, incidentally, vet supply companies have tons
of supply if you are running short of Lysol/etc. Stericide and
other brands are even still available on Amazon.

El El sáb, mar. 28, 2020 a la(s) 9:50 p. m., Tushar Patel
mailto:tpa...@ecpi.com>> escribió:

I want to know the same.

Tushar



On Mar 28, 2020, at 9:06 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:



Where are people finding masks, gloves, and sanitizer gel or
wipes?

Seems like none available online, and I don’t want to drive
to a dozen stores hoping to find some on the shelf.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Chris Fabien
*Sent:* Saturday, March 28, 2020 8:28 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

Chuck, we came up with a very similar approach. No shared
trucks, no shared spaces like lunchrooms, our office
building only has 3-4 employees in a 3200 sqft building with
4 restrooms so we are assigning a restroom to each person
and literally zero contact, call them on the phone if you
need something. OSP guys working solo as much as possible.
We are providing masks, gloves, sanitizer for the techs with
customer contact and avoiding in-home work as much as
possible although some amount is unavoidable. I set up SMS
on our office number so we can ask customers text us a photo
of your router, cords, cable you just cut in the yard etc.

On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 11:52 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I have stepped up our response to this at work.

Comments and suggestions are very much welcome.

1) Mechanic will work swing shift.  No overlap with day
shift employees.

2) PCB production stays in their part of the building.

3) Fabrication stay in their part of the building.

4) Avoid the lunchroom.

5) OSP construction one person per truck.

6) Bring lunch from home and eat it alone in the truck.

7) Vac excavators will have to do it with one person. 
Much slower but safer.

8) More 2 way radio use to try to enforce the 10 foot rule.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

[Cameron Crum]

I guess it all depends on upbringing. My father was a D1 football
scholarship athlete and got a BSEE and MS in biomedical engineering in
addition to being a fighter pilot. My grandfather was also a highshool
athlete who got a deferred congressional nomination to the Naval Academy,
but ended up going to Univ. of Akron instead and graduated with a BSEE. He
ended up being one of Werner Von Braun's best friends and they did a lot of
work on missiles and rockets  together. I was a three sport athlete in HS
and had offers for football and soccer for college. I ended up taking a
soccer scholarship mostly because I had a neck injury that I was afraid
would be compounded if I played college level football. I ended up with a
BSEE as well. I'm 48 and still play organized soccer at least once and
sometimes twice a week. We aren't all troglodytes.


On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 6:44 PM Robert  wrote:

> Truth is always the funniest!
>
> On 3/29/20 3:50 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> > Now THAT is funny.
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020
> > 3:40 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query
> > Or..."Why Google fails at so many new projects..."
> >
> > On 3/29/20 2:31 PM, Larry Smith wrote:
> >> On Sun March 29 2020 14:49, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
> >>> And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees and perfect GPAs
> >>> that went no where.
> >> We used to call them paper tigers, loads of degrees and certifications,
> >> but could not do the actual job.
> >>
> >
> >
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Next December

[Cameron Crum]

As for the shortage, I did see an article that said the worlds largest
condom maker had switched exclusively to gloves for this deal, so there
will be a condom shortage soon.

On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 7:17 PM David Coudron 
wrote:

> That virus stuff is beyond my pay grade, I was really just trying to find
> a way to work that Austin Powers scene into a discussion somewhere and this
> was about as close as I could get to a topic that would support it 
>
>
>
> However, our whole world is shut down over a virus that wasn’t supposed to
> be able to jump from animals to humans.   But it did.   I am not really
> pushing the theory that hard, as again, it is way above my pay grade.   But
> you have to wonder about those kinds of things, as isolated things are
> meant to stay isolated.   Whether it is zebra mussels or other invasive
> species, or viruses, inter-planetary travel could have the possibility of
> bringing something here that doesn’t have a natural check in our nature
> checks and balances kind of planet.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 7:07 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Next December
>
>
>
> https://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/1988/09/28
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 6:58 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Next December
>
>
>
> I've wondered about that.  I recall an article by someone purporting to
> know about such things.  They suggested that we needn't be worried about
> alien viruses because they would have evolved in a world with no humans and
> no creatures anything like humans.  Therefore they couldn't have evolved
> the means to infect human cells and use them to multiply.
>
> .but until we meet an alien virus we won't know what one looks like.
>
> On 3/29/2020 2:51 PM, David Coudron wrote:
>
> I wonder what viruses will be brought back from Mars.Globalization
> brings its own set up problems, travel to and from other planets could also
> bring some new challenges to us that are bigger than this virus.  Everyone
> would need to go through an Austin Powers level de-contamination process
> before they can come back into society 
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 1:41 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Next December
>
>
>
> I actually saw a prediction that with lower birthrate and blocking
> immigration, this country is headed for the population actually shrinking
> for probably the first time ever.  And I think that prediction was before
> the virus hit.  I think the 2008 recession caused lower rate of family
> formation, home ownership, and yes procreation.
>
>
>
> If I were at the age where you decide to “start a family”, I’m not sure
> I’d decide to bring someone into the world right now.  Wait and see what
> life post apocalypse looks like.  I wouldn’t be surprised if some people
> were freezing eggs and stuff.  Or signing up with SpaceX for that Mars
> colony.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *David Coudron
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 1:02 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Next December
>
>
>
> I was trying to be funny.   I should know by now I am not that good at it
> 
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:36 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Next December
>
>
>
> I would suspect the opposite would happen.
>
>
>
> Or are you assuming that exam gloves aren’t the only protection in short
> supply?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *David Coudron
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:23 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Next December
>
>
>
> That would mean couples aren’t practicing good social distancing habits in
> their homes.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:18 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Next December
>
>
>
> Corona Boomers.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work

[Cameron Crum]

>From an MD friend of mine...Mix 1.5 cups everclear with 2/3 cup aloe gel.
This gets you 62-65% ethanol. At my local liquor store, they had plenty of
Everclear and it's cheap.



On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 11:52 PM Robert  wrote:

> at 70 percent you better just wave the aloe over it because that is going
> to need to be the end concentration to be an effective solution...
>
> On 3/28/20 9:13 PM, Doug Hass wrote:
>
> Both of my local CVS stores have 70%. The higher percentage stuff is
> really difficult to find.
>
> For disinfectants, incidentally, vet supply companies have tons of supply
> if you are running short of Lysol/etc. Stericide and other brands are even
> still available on Amazon.
>
> El El sáb, mar. 28, 2020 a la(s) 9:50 p. m., Tushar Patel 
> escribió:
>
>> I want to know the same.
>>
>> Tushar
>>
>>
>> On Mar 28, 2020, at 9:06 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Where are people finding masks, gloves, and sanitizer gel or wipes?
>>
>>
>>
>> Seems like none available online, and I don’t want to drive to a dozen
>> stores hoping to find some on the shelf.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chris Fabien
>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 28, 2020 8:28 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid measures at work
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Chuck, we came up with a very similar approach. No shared trucks, no
>> shared spaces like lunchrooms, our office building only has 3-4 employees
>> in a 3200 sqft building with 4 restrooms so we are assigning a restroom to
>> each person and literally zero contact, call them on the phone if you need
>> something. OSP guys working solo as much as possible. We are providing
>> masks, gloves, sanitizer for the techs with customer contact and avoiding
>> in-home work as much as possible although some amount is unavoidable. I set
>> up SMS on our office number so we can ask customers text us a photo of your
>> router, cords, cable you just cut in the yard etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 11:52 AM  wrote:
>>
>> I have stepped up our response to this at work.
>>
>> Comments and suggestions are very much welcome.
>>
>>
>>
>> 1)Mechanic will work swing shift.  No overlap with day shift
>> employees.
>>
>> 2)PCB production stays in their part of the building.
>>
>> 3)Fabrication stay in their part of the building.
>>
>> 4)Avoid the lunchroom.
>>
>> 5)OSP construction one person per truck.
>>
>> 6)Bring lunch from home and eat it alone in the truck.
>>
>> 7)Vac excavators will have to do it with one person.  Much slower but
>> safer.
>>
>> 8)More 2 way radio use to try to enforce the 10 foot rule.
>>
>>
>>
>> Anything I can add?
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Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Cambium 820c

[Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]]

We put up an 80Ghz Aviat and it IS a nice radio.
Time will tell if it REMAINS a nice radio.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
http://www.brazoswifi.com

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 8:02 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Cambium 820c

Voice in the back of my head says that sounds like me back when I bought 
Trango, and again when I bought Exalt G2.  But Aviat does appear to have a nice 
radio.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Jason McKemie
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 12:30 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Cambium 820c

I'm not even sure why anyone is still buying 820C radios with the pricing that 
Aviat is running.

On Sunday, March 29, 2020, Kurt Fankhauser 
mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Looking at the specs it appears Aviat is a better radio. 4096 quam vs 2048 
quam. (1.4gbps vs 1.2gbps) SFP+ ports vs SFP ports. So why is Cambium pricing 
the 820c at double the Aviat? Sounds like Cambium should be cheaper since the 
Aviat clearly has some advantages.
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Re: [AFMUG] Oneweb is apparently bankrupt

[Ken Hohhof]

Not sure how I feel about rumors SpaceX is eyeing RDOF as a source of funds.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ryan Ray
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 11:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Oneweb is apparently bankrupt

 

Spacex next? 

 

http://tmfassociates.com/blog/2020/03/21/why-spacex-desperately-needs-a-government-bailout/

 

On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 1:34 PM Robert Andrews mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> > wrote:

Expected to go out for funding based upon launch success and no market 
to pull money from...

On 03/29/2020 01:06 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> Ooops
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2020, at 3:13 PM, Bill Prince >  > wrote:
>>
>> And another one bites the dust.
>>
>> https://www.wired.com/story/spacex-competitor-oneweb-is-reportedly-bankrupt/
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Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Cambium 820c

[Ken Hohhof]

Voice in the back of my head says that sounds like me back when I bought 
Trango, and again when I bought Exalt G2.  But Aviat does appear to have a nice 
radio.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 12:30 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Cambium 820c

 

I'm not even sure why anyone is still buying 820C radios with the pricing that 
Aviat is running.

On Sunday, March 29, 2020, Kurt Fankhauser mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Looking at the specs it appears Aviat is a better radio. 4096 quam vs 2048 
quam. (1.4gbps vs 1.2gbps) SFP+ ports vs SFP ports. So why is Cambium pricing 
the 820c at double the Aviat? Sounds like Cambium should be cheaper since the 
Aviat clearly has some advantages.

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