Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
Or you could wear one of these and make yourself look like anyone.. I'd go as Ahhnold. https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B00N3FV7XS/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_U_G4TXEb0PVYT40 -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) From: "Ken Hohhof" To: "af" Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 11:51:37 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Isn’t there a Zoom filter for that? I mean, it can change the background and “touch up my appearance”, why not add clothes? From: AF On Behalf Of Steven Kenney Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 10:34 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Always! These whole zoom meetings thing has made me wear more clothing at home than I ever have before. -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications [ http://www.wavedirect.net/ | http://www.wavedirect.net ] (519)737-WAVE (9283) From: "Bill Prince" < [ mailto:part15...@gmail.com | part15...@gmail.com ] > To: "af" < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 10:23:11 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Going commando to battle your router woes? bp On 5/21/2020 5:43 AM, Steven Kenney wrote: Too many benefits to virtualizing your routing infrastructure to list here. Its where things are going in the future. For me, its centralized management, backups, redundancy, flexibility. Also if you need more horsepower than a 1072 you can scale what you need pretty fast. You can clone or replicate entire boxes pretty quick. You can create templates to spin up new routers all with every config you need. I know its as easy as copying a config file over. That being said it really makes no sense to do this for under 10Gbps of traffic. I've always used hot spares. But consider this. A router is giving your issues locks you out, stops passing traffic etc. You need to go to the location or use some remote serial login like an open gear to try and determine whats wrong. You physically need to replace the hardware or switch plugs, copy configs. On a VM you can access it remotely and restore from backup in a couple minutes, even have it automatically failover to other hosts, or have its resources expanded as needed. From the comfort of your underwear at home... :) -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications [ http://www.wavedirect.net/ | http://www.wavedirect.net ] (519)737-WAVE (9283) From: "Josh Baird" [ mailto:joshba...@gmail.com | ] To: "af" [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | ] Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 7:50:34 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Virtualization of core network. I can run a number of MT CHR's on a single box (and with redundancy at both the hypervisor layer and L3). For example, I have a pair of vSphere boxes each with a CHR for customer aggregation, one for a BGP route reflector and another doing some other misc stuff. These boxes have 4-6 10Gbps interfaces that I can share between all of the CHR VM's. Driver development is also on CHR, not on MIkrotik X86. On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 6:17 PM Nate Burke < [ mailto:n...@blastcomm.com | n...@blastcomm.com ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN So Obviously I haven't had the need to run CHR, but I'm trying to figure out why you need it. Why bother to put Mikrotik in a VM instead of dedicated hardware? I'm not being difficult, I'm just trying to understand why this is a thing. Specifically for routing to hosts inside a VM Architecture, or are you virtualizing your core network routing. On 5/20/2020 4:31 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: BQ_BEGIN That's what I was thinking... I could see doing snapshots if you were using CHR on a more advanced VM setup, but I can't imagine why you'd bother with that on something like the Maxxwave that we're talking about here. On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 2:07 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies < [ mailto:m...@mailmt.com | m...@mailmt.com ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Josh, Why is this an issue? I'm working on a CHR VMWARE test box now. What is the purpose of the snapshot? Why not just use the backup/export features of mikrotik for your backup? Won't you have a generic VM/CHR router siting on the shelf ready to go as backup. Fire it up and reload the configuration with the mikrotik tools. That is what I'm doing now with my routerboards.  -- Best regards, Mark               [ mailto:m...@mailmt.com | mailto:m...@mailmt.com ] Myakka Technologies, Inc. [ http://www.myakka.com/ | www.Myakka.com ] -- Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 2:29:04 PM, you wrote: Depends on your backup tool. I'm using ghettoVCB and it would definitely be an interruption - really bad for stateful th
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
I considered getting a chromakey background so I could put anywhere I wanted in the background. Like Hawaii or somewhere on a beach and make people jealous. Instead I just hung a Red Wing championship banner to antagonize all the Maple Leaf fans. -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) From: "Ken Hohhof" To: "af" Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 11:51:37 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Isn’t there a Zoom filter for that? I mean, it can change the background and “touch up my appearance”, why not add clothes? From: AF On Behalf Of Steven Kenney Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 10:34 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Always! These whole zoom meetings thing has made me wear more clothing at home than I ever have before. -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications [ http://www.wavedirect.net/ | http://www.wavedirect.net ] (519)737-WAVE (9283) From: "Bill Prince" < [ mailto:part15...@gmail.com | part15...@gmail.com ] > To: "af" < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 10:23:11 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Going commando to battle your router woes? bp On 5/21/2020 5:43 AM, Steven Kenney wrote: Too many benefits to virtualizing your routing infrastructure to list here. Its where things are going in the future. For me, its centralized management, backups, redundancy, flexibility. Also if you need more horsepower than a 1072 you can scale what you need pretty fast. You can clone or replicate entire boxes pretty quick. You can create templates to spin up new routers all with every config you need. I know its as easy as copying a config file over. That being said it really makes no sense to do this for under 10Gbps of traffic. I've always used hot spares. But consider this. A router is giving your issues locks you out, stops passing traffic etc. You need to go to the location or use some remote serial login like an open gear to try and determine whats wrong. You physically need to replace the hardware or switch plugs, copy configs. On a VM you can access it remotely and restore from backup in a couple minutes, even have it automatically failover to other hosts, or have its resources expanded as needed. From the comfort of your underwear at home... :) -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications [ http://www.wavedirect.net/ | http://www.wavedirect.net ] (519)737-WAVE (9283) From: "Josh Baird" [ mailto:joshba...@gmail.com | ] To: "af" [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | ] Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 7:50:34 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Virtualization of core network. I can run a number of MT CHR's on a single box (and with redundancy at both the hypervisor layer and L3). For example, I have a pair of vSphere boxes each with a CHR for customer aggregation, one for a BGP route reflector and another doing some other misc stuff. These boxes have 4-6 10Gbps interfaces that I can share between all of the CHR VM's. Driver development is also on CHR, not on MIkrotik X86. On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 6:17 PM Nate Burke < [ mailto:n...@blastcomm.com | n...@blastcomm.com ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN So Obviously I haven't had the need to run CHR, but I'm trying to figure out why you need it. Why bother to put Mikrotik in a VM instead of dedicated hardware? I'm not being difficult, I'm just trying to understand why this is a thing. Specifically for routing to hosts inside a VM Architecture, or are you virtualizing your core network routing. On 5/20/2020 4:31 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: BQ_BEGIN That's what I was thinking... I could see doing snapshots if you were using CHR on a more advanced VM setup, but I can't imagine why you'd bother with that on something like the Maxxwave that we're talking about here. On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 2:07 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies < [ mailto:m...@mailmt.com | m...@mailmt.com ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Josh, Why is this an issue? I'm working on a CHR VMWARE test box now. What is the purpose of the snapshot? Why not just use the backup/export features of mikrotik for your backup? Won't you have a generic VM/CHR router siting on the shelf ready to go as backup. Fire it up and reload the configuration with the mikrotik tools. That is what I'm doing now with my routerboards.  -- Best regards, Mark               [ mailto:m...@mailmt.com | mailto:m...@mailmt.com ] Myakka Technologies, Inc. [ http://www.myakka.com/ | www.Myakka.com ] -- Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 2:29:04 PM, you wrote: Depends on your backup tool. I'm using
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
Isn’t there a Zoom filter for that? I mean, it can change the background and “touch up my appearance”, why not add clothes? From: AF On Behalf Of Steven Kenney Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 10:34 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Always! These whole zoom meetings thing has made me wear more clothing at home than I ever have before. -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) _ From: "Bill Prince" mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > To: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 10:23:11 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Going commando to battle your router woes? bp On 5/21/2020 5:43 AM, Steven Kenney wrote: Too many benefits to virtualizing your routing infrastructure to list here. Its where things are going in the future. For me, its centralized management, backups, redundancy, flexibility. Also if you need more horsepower than a 1072 you can scale what you need pretty fast. You can clone or replicate entire boxes pretty quick. You can create templates to spin up new routers all with every config you need. I know its as easy as copying a config file over. That being said it really makes no sense to do this for under 10Gbps of traffic. I've always used hot spares. But consider this. A router is giving your issues locks you out, stops passing traffic etc. You need to go to the location or use some remote serial login like an open gear to try and determine whats wrong. You physically need to replace the hardware or switch plugs, copy configs. On a VM you can access it remotely and restore from backup in a couple minutes, even have it automatically failover to other hosts, or have its resources expanded as needed. From the comfort of your underwear at home... :) -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) _ From: "Josh Baird" <mailto:joshba...@gmail.com> To: "af" <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 7:50:34 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Virtualization of core network. I can run a number of MT CHR's on a single box (and with redundancy at both the hypervisor layer and L3). For example, I have a pair of vSphere boxes each with a CHR for customer aggregation, one for a BGP route reflector and another doing some other misc stuff. These boxes have 4-6 10Gbps interfaces that I can share between all of the CHR VM's. Driver development is also on CHR, not on MIkrotik X86. On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 6:17 PM Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > wrote: So Obviously I haven't had the need to run CHR, but I'm trying to figure out why you need it. Why bother to put Mikrotik in a VM instead of dedicated hardware? I'm not being difficult, I'm just trying to understand why this is a thing. Specifically for routing to hosts inside a VM Architecture, or are you virtualizing your core network routing. On 5/20/2020 4:31 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: That's what I was thinking... I could see doing snapshots if you were using CHR on a more advanced VM setup, but I can't imagine why you'd bother with that on something like the Maxxwave that we're talking about here. On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 2:07 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies mailto:m...@mailmt.com> > wrote: Josh, Why is this an issue? I'm working on a CHR VMWARE test box now. What is the purpose of the snapshot? Why not just use the backup/export features of mikrotik for your backup? Won't you have a generic VM/CHR router siting on the shelf ready to go as backup. Fire it up and reload the configuration with the mikrotik tools. That is what I'm doing now with my routerboards.  -- Best regards, Mark               mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Technologies, Inc. <http://www.Myakka.com> www.Myakka.com -- Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 2:29:04 PM, you wrote: Depends on your backup tool. I'm using ghettoVCB and it would definitely be an interruption - really bad for stateful things. Keep in mind you're only backing up a vmdisk with maybe 128 megabytes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 9:55 AM Steven Kenney mailto:st...@wavedirect.org> > wrote: Most backup tools are agnostic. They use Vmwares' functions to do the backups and the vmware tools to either quiesce the file system, create deltas etc. The process in how it is done is similar across all platforms, Veeam Acronis, Nakivo etc. The performance is dependent on how well the hardware performs. For example I have one server that isn&
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
Only if it’s comfortable underwear, otherwise skip it. Everybody says that Zoom meetings only get them from the neck up so it doesn’t matter what’s going on below that. From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 9:02 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Underwear is the new business casual? From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 8:51 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out +1 while in underwear Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 8:44 AM Steven Kenney mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>> wrote: Too many benefits to virtualizing your routing infrastructure to list here. Its where things are going in the future. For me, its centralized management, backups, redundancy, flexibility. Also if you need more horsepower than a 1072 you can scale what you need pretty fast. You can clone or replicate entire boxes pretty quick. You can create templates to spin up new routers all with every config you need. I know its as easy as copying a config file over. That being said it really makes no sense to do this for under 10Gbps of traffic. I've always used hot spares. But consider this. A router is giving your issues locks you out, stops passing traffic etc. You need to go to the location or use some remote serial login like an open gear to try and determine whats wrong. You physically need to replace the hardware or switch plugs, copy configs. On a VM you can access it remotely and restore from backup in a couple minutes, even have it automatically failover to other hosts, or have its resources expanded as needed. From the comfort of your underwear at home... :) -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) From: "Josh Baird" mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> To: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 7:50:34 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Virtualization of core network. I can run a number of MT CHR's on a single box (and with redundancy at both the hypervisor layer and L3). For example, I have a pair of vSphere boxes each with a CHR for customer aggregation, one for a BGP route reflector and another doing some other misc stuff. These boxes have 4-6 10Gbps interfaces that I can share between all of the CHR VM's. Driver development is also on CHR, not on MIkrotik X86. On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 6:17 PM Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote: So Obviously I haven't had the need to run CHR, but I'm trying to figure out why you need it. Why bother to put Mikrotik in a VM instead of dedicated hardware? I'm not being difficult, I'm just trying to understand why this is a thing. Specifically for routing to hosts inside a VM Architecture, or are you virtualizing your core network routing. On 5/20/2020 4:31 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: That's what I was thinking... I could see doing snapshots if you were using CHR on a more advanced VM setup, but I can't imagine why you'd bother with that on something like the Maxxwave that we're talking about here. On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 2:07 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote: Josh, Why is this an issue? I'm working on a CHR VMWARE test box now. What is the purpose of the snapshot? Why not just use the backup/export features of mikrotik for your backup? Won't you have a generic VM/CHR router siting on the shelf ready to go as backup. Fire it up and reload the configuration with the mikrotik tools. That is what I'm doing now with my routerboards.  -- Best regards, Mark               mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.Myakka.com<http://www.Myakka.com> -- Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 2:29:04 PM, you wrote: Depends on your backup tool. I'm using ghettoVCB and it would definitely be an interruption - really bad for stateful things. Keep in mind you're only backing up a vmdisk with maybe 128 megabytes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 9:55 AM Steven Kenney mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>> wrote: Most backup tools are agnostic. They use Vmwares' functions to do the backups and the vmware tools to either quiesce the file system, create deltas etc. The process in how it is done is similar across all platforms, Veeam Acronis, Nakivo etc. The performance is dependent on how well the hardware performs. For example I have one server that isn'
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
Always! These whole zoom meetings thing has made me wear more clothing at home than I ever have before. -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) From: "Bill Prince" To: "af" Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 10:23:11 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Going commando to battle your router woes? bp On 5/21/2020 5:43 AM, Steven Kenney wrote: Too many benefits to virtualizing your routing infrastructure to list here. Its where things are going in the future. For me, its centralized management, backups, redundancy, flexibility. Also if you need more horsepower than a 1072 you can scale what you need pretty fast. You can clone or replicate entire boxes pretty quick. You can create templates to spin up new routers all with every config you need. I know its as easy as copying a config file over. That being said it really makes no sense to do this for under 10Gbps of traffic. I've always used hot spares. But consider this. A router is giving your issues locks you out, stops passing traffic etc. You need to go to the location or use some remote serial login like an open gear to try and determine whats wrong. You physically need to replace the hardware or switch plugs, copy configs. On a VM you can access it remotely and restore from backup in a couple minutes, even have it automatically failover to other hosts, or have its resources expanded as needed. From the comfort of your underwear at home... :) -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications [ http://www.wavedirect.net/ | http://www.wavedirect.net ] (519)737-WAVE (9283) From: "Josh Baird" [ mailto:joshba...@gmail.com | ] To: "af" [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | ] Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 7:50:34 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Virtualization of core network. I can run a number of MT CHR's on a single box (and with redundancy at both the hypervisor layer and L3). For example, I have a pair of vSphere boxes each with a CHR for customer aggregation, one for a BGP route reflector and another doing some other misc stuff. These boxes have 4-6 10Gbps interfaces that I can share between all of the CHR VM's. Driver development is also on CHR, not on MIkrotik X86. On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 6:17 PM Nate Burke < [ mailto:n...@blastcomm.com | n...@blastcomm.com ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN So Obviously I haven't had the need to run CHR, but I'm trying to figure out why you need it. Why bother to put Mikrotik in a VM instead of dedicated hardware? I'm not being difficult, I'm just trying to understand why this is a thing. Specifically for routing to hosts inside a VM Architecture, or are you virtualizing your core network routing. On 5/20/2020 4:31 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: BQ_BEGIN That's what I was thinking... I could see doing snapshots if you were using CHR on a more advanced VM setup, but I can't imagine why you'd bother with that on something like the Maxxwave that we're talking about here. On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 2:07 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies < [ mailto:m...@mailmt.com | m...@mailmt.com ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Josh, Why is this an issue? I'm working on a CHR VMWARE test box now. What is the purpose of the snapshot? Why not just use the backup/export features of mikrotik for your backup? Won't you have a generic VM/CHR router siting on the shelf ready to go as backup. Fire it up and reload the configuration with the mikrotik tools. That is what I'm doing now with my routerboards.  -- Best regards, Mark               [ mailto:m...@mailmt.com | mailto:m...@mailmt.com ] Myakka Technologies, Inc. [ http://www.myakka.com/ | www.Myakka.com ] -- Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 2:29:04 PM, you wrote: Depends on your backup tool. I'm using ghettoVCB and it would definitely be an interruption - really bad for stateful things. Keep in mind you're only backing up a vmdisk with maybe 128 megabytes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 9:55 AM Steven Kenney < [ mailto:st...@wavedirect.org | st...@wavedirect.org ] > wrote: Most backup tools are agnostic. They use Vmwares' functions to do the backups and the vmware tools to either quiesce the file system, create deltas etc. The process in how it is done is similar across all platforms, Veeam Acronis, Nakivo etc. The performance is dependent on how well the hardware performs. For example I have one server that isn't very large on the same host as a server that is a massive moving target (non stop writing/reading). One will backup much faster than the other depending on the storage capabilities, network capabilities .. overall
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
Yes. Zoom meetings are always from the neck up. On 5/21/2020 10:01 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Underwear is the new business casual? *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Thursday, May 21, 2020 8:51 AM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out +1 while in underwear Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 8:44 AM Steven Kenney <mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>> wrote: Too many benefits to virtualizing your routing infrastructure to list here. Its where things are going in the future. For me, its centralized management, backups, redundancy, flexibility. Also if you need more horsepower than a 1072 you can scale what you need pretty fast. You can clone or replicate entire boxes pretty quick. You can create templates to spin up new routers all with every config you need. I know its as easy as copying a config file over. That being said it really makes no sense to do this for under 10Gbps of traffic. I've always used hot spares. But consider this. A router is giving your issues locks you out, stops passing traffic etc. You need to go to the location or use some remote serial login like an open gear to try and determine whats wrong. You physically need to replace the hardware or switch plugs, copy configs. On a VM you can access it remotely and restore from backup in a couple minutes, even have it automatically failover to other hosts, or have its resources expanded as needed. From the comfort of your underwear at home... :) -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) *From: *"Josh Baird" mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> *To: *"af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 20, 2020 7:50:34 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Virtualization of core network. I can run a number of MT CHR's on a single box (and with redundancy at both the hypervisor layer and L3). For example, I have a pair of vSphere boxes each with a CHR for customer aggregation, one for a BGP route reflector and another doing some other misc stuff. These boxes have 4-6 10Gbps interfaces that I can share between all of the CHR VM's. Driver development is also on CHR, not on MIkrotik X86. On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 6:17 PM Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote: So Obviously I haven't had the need to run CHR, but I'm trying to figure out why you need it. Why bother to put Mikrotik in a VM instead of dedicated hardware? I'm not being difficult, I'm just trying to understand why this is a thing. Specifically for routing to hosts inside a VM Architecture, or are you virtualizing your core network routing. On 5/20/2020 4:31 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: That's what I was thinking... I could see doing snapshots if you were using CHR on a more advanced VM setup, but I can't imagine why you'd bother with that on something like the Maxxwave that we're talking about here. On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 2:07 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote: Josh, Why is this an issue? I'm working on a CHR VMWARE test box now. What is the purpose of the snapshot? Why not just use the backup/export features of mikrotik for your backup? Won't you have a generic VM/CHR router siting on the shelf ready to go as backup. Fire it up and reload the configuration with the mikrotik tools. That is what I'm doing now with my routerboards.  -- Best regards, Mark               mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.Myakka.com <http://www.Myakka.com> -- Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 2:29:04 PM, you wrote: Depends on your backup tool. I'm using ghettoVCB and it would definitely be an interruption - really bad for stateful things. Keep in mind you're only backing up a vmdisk with maybe 128 megabytes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy,
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
Going commando to battle your router woes? bp On 5/21/2020 5:43 AM, Steven Kenney wrote: Too many benefits to virtualizing your routing infrastructure to list here. Its where things are going in the future. For me, its centralized management, backups, redundancy, flexibility. Also if you need more horsepower than a 1072 you can scale what you need pretty fast. You can clone or replicate entire boxes pretty quick. You can create templates to spin up new routers all with every config you need. I know its as easy as copying a config file over. That being said it really makes no sense to do this for under 10Gbps of traffic. I've always used hot spares. But consider this. A router is giving your issues locks you out, stops passing traffic etc. You need to go to the location or use some remote serial login like an open gear to try and determine whats wrong. You physically need to replace the hardware or switch plugs, copy configs. On a VM you can access it remotely and restore from backup in a couple minutes, even have it automatically failover to other hosts, or have its resources expanded as needed. From the comfort of your underwear at home... :) -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) From: "Josh Baird" To: "af" Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 7:50:34 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Virtualization of core network. I can run a number of MT CHR's on a single box (and with redundancy at both the hypervisor layer and L3). For example, I have a pair of vSphere boxes each with a CHR for customer aggregation, one for a BGP route reflector and another doing some other misc stuff. These boxes have 4-6 10Gbps interfaces that I can share between all of the CHR VM's. Driver development is also on CHR, not on MIkrotik X86. On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 6:17 PM Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com> wrote: So Obviously I haven't had the need to run CHR, but I'm trying to figure out why you need it. Why bother to put Mikrotik in a VM instead of dedicated hardware? I'm not being difficult, I'm just trying to understand why this is a thing. Specifically for routing to hosts inside a VM Architecture, or are you virtualizing your core network routing. On 5/20/2020 4:31 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: That's what I was thinking... I could see doing snapshots if you were using CHR on a more advanced VM setup, but I can't imagine why you'd bother with that on something like the Maxxwave that we're talking about here. On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 2:07 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies <m...@mailmt.com> wrote: Josh, Why is this an issue? I'm working on a CHR VMWARE test box now. What is the purpose of the snapshot? Why not just use the backup/export features of mikrotik for your backup? Won't you have a generic VM/CHR router siting on the shelf ready to go as backup. Fire it up and reload the configuration with the mikrotik tools. That is what I'm doing now with my routerboards.  -- Best regards, Mark               mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.Myakka.com
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
Underwear is the new business casual? From: AF On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 8:51 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out +1 while in underwear Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 8:44 AM Steven Kenney mailto:st...@wavedirect.org> > wrote: Too many benefits to virtualizing your routing infrastructure to list here. Its where things are going in the future. For me, its centralized management, backups, redundancy, flexibility. Also if you need more horsepower than a 1072 you can scale what you need pretty fast. You can clone or replicate entire boxes pretty quick. You can create templates to spin up new routers all with every config you need. I know its as easy as copying a config file over. That being said it really makes no sense to do this for under 10Gbps of traffic. I've always used hot spares. But consider this. A router is giving your issues locks you out, stops passing traffic etc. You need to go to the location or use some remote serial login like an open gear to try and determine whats wrong. You physically need to replace the hardware or switch plugs, copy configs. On a VM you can access it remotely and restore from backup in a couple minutes, even have it automatically failover to other hosts, or have its resources expanded as needed. From the comfort of your underwear at home... :) -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) _ From: "Josh Baird" mailto:joshba...@gmail.com> > To: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 7:50:34 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Virtualization of core network. I can run a number of MT CHR's on a single box (and with redundancy at both the hypervisor layer and L3). For example, I have a pair of vSphere boxes each with a CHR for customer aggregation, one for a BGP route reflector and another doing some other misc stuff. These boxes have 4-6 10Gbps interfaces that I can share between all of the CHR VM's. Driver development is also on CHR, not on MIkrotik X86. On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 6:17 PM Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > wrote: So Obviously I haven't had the need to run CHR, but I'm trying to figure out why you need it. Why bother to put Mikrotik in a VM instead of dedicated hardware? I'm not being difficult, I'm just trying to understand why this is a thing. Specifically for routing to hosts inside a VM Architecture, or are you virtualizing your core network routing. On 5/20/2020 4:31 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: That's what I was thinking... I could see doing snapshots if you were using CHR on a more advanced VM setup, but I can't imagine why you'd bother with that on something like the Maxxwave that we're talking about here. On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 2:07 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies mailto:m...@mailmt.com> > wrote: Josh, Why is this an issue? I'm working on a CHR VMWARE test box now. What is the purpose of the snapshot? Why not just use the backup/export features of mikrotik for your backup? Won't you have a generic VM/CHR router siting on the shelf ready to go as backup. Fire it up and reload the configuration with the mikrotik tools. That is what I'm doing now with my routerboards.  -- Best regards, Mark               mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Technologies, Inc. <http://www.Myakka.com> www.Myakka.com -- Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 2:29:04 PM, you wrote: Depends on your backup tool. I'm using ghettoVCB and it would definitely be an interruption - really bad for stateful things. Keep in mind you're only backing up a vmdisk with maybe 128 megabytes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 9:55 AM Steven Kenney mailto:st...@wavedirect.org> > wrote: Most backup tools are agnostic. They use Vmwares' functions to do the backups and the vmware tools to either quiesce the file system, create deltas etc. The process in how it is done is similar across all platforms, Veeam Acronis, Nakivo etc. The performance is dependent on how well the hardware performs. For example I have one server that isn't very large on the same host as a server that is a massive moving target (non stop writing/reading). One will backup much faster than the other depending on the storage capabilities, network capabilities .. overall the hardware capabilities. If I moved both servers to a new host with better hardware, faster network,  the backups times and performance would increase on both. T
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
+1 while in underwear Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 8:44 AM Steven Kenney wrote: > Too many benefits to virtualizing your routing infrastructure to list > here. Its where things are going in the future. For me, its centralized > management, backups, redundancy, flexibility. Also if you need more > horsepower than a 1072 you can scale what you need pretty fast. You can > clone or replicate entire boxes pretty quick. You can create templates to > spin up new routers all with every config you need. I know its as easy as > copying a config file over. > > That being said it really makes no sense to do this for under 10Gbps of > traffic. I've always used hot spares. > > But consider this. A router is giving your issues locks you out, stops > passing traffic etc. You need to go to the location or use some remote > serial login like an open gear to try and determine whats wrong. You > physically need to replace the hardware or switch plugs, copy configs. > On a VM you can access it remotely and restore from backup in a couple > minutes, even have it automatically failover to other hosts, or have its > resources expanded as needed. From the comfort of your underwear at > home... :) > > -- > Steven Kenney > Network Operations Manager > WaveDirect Telecommunications > http://www.wavedirect.net > (519)737-WAVE (9283) > > -- > *From: *"Josh Baird" > *To: *"af" > *Sent: *Wednesday, May 20, 2020 7:50:34 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > Virtualization of core network. I can run a number of MT CHR's on a > single box (and with redundancy at both the hypervisor layer and L3). For > example, I have a pair of vSphere boxes each with a CHR for customer > aggregation, one for a BGP route reflector and another doing some other > misc stuff. These boxes have 4-6 10Gbps interfaces that I can share > between all of the CHR VM's. > Driver development is also on CHR, not on MIkrotik X86. > > On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 6:17 PM Nate Burke wrote: > >> So Obviously I haven't had the need to run CHR, but I'm trying to figure >> out why you need it. Why bother to put Mikrotik in a VM instead of >> dedicated hardware? I'm not being difficult, I'm just trying to understand >> why this is a thing. Specifically for routing to hosts inside a VM >> Architecture, or are you virtualizing your core network routing. >> >> On 5/20/2020 4:31 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: >> >> That's what I was thinking... I could see doing snapshots if you were >> using CHR on a more advanced VM setup, but I can't imagine why you'd bother >> with that on something like the Maxxwave that we're talking about here. >> >> On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 2:07 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies < >> m...@mailmt.com> wrote: >> >>> Josh, >>> >>> Why is this an issue? I'm working on a CHR VMWARE test box now. What >>> is the purpose of the snapshot? Why not just use the backup/export >>> features of mikrotik for your backup? Won't you have a generic VM/CHR >>> router siting on the shelf ready to go as backup. Fire it up and reload >>> the configuration with the mikrotik tools. That is what I'm doing now >>> with my routerboards.  >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Mark               >>> mailto:m...@mailmt.com >>> >>> Myakka Technologies, Inc. >>> www.Myakka.com >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 2:29:04 PM, you wrote: >>> >>> >>> Depends on your backup tool. I'm using ghettoVCB and it would >>> definitely be an interruption - really bad for stateful things. >>> >>> Keep in mind you're only backing up a vmdisk with maybe 128 megabytes. >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 9:55 AM Steven Kenney < >>> st...@wavedirect.org> wrote: >>> >>> Most backup tools are agnostic. They use Vmwares' functions to do the >>> backups and the vmware tools to either quiesce the file system, create >>> deltas etc. The process in how it is done is similar across all >>> platforms, Veeam Acronis, Nakivo etc. The performance is dependent on how >>> well the hardwar
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Personally I backup every VM on everything. I have an "office mikrotik" for various things (tools, vpn, etc), but none of my traffic is going through a VM/CHR. The snapshot is more collateral than anything, rather than specify a list of targets. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 3:07 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote: > Josh, > > Why is this an issue? I'm working on a CHR VMWARE test box now. What is > the purpose of the snapshot? Why not just use the backup/export features > of mikrotik for your backup? Won't you have a generic VM/CHR router siting > on the shelf ready to go as backup. Fire it up and reload the > configuration with the mikrotik tools. That is what I'm doing now with my > routerboards. > > > -- > Best regards, > Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com > > Myakka Technologies, Inc. > www.Myakka.com > > -- > > Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 2:29:04 PM, you wrote: > > > Depends on your backup tool. I'm using ghettoVCB and it would definitely > be an interruption - really bad for stateful things. > > Keep in mind you're only backing up a vmdisk with maybe 128 megabytes. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 9:55 AM Steven Kenney > wrote: > > Most backup tools are agnostic. They use Vmwares' functions to do the > backups and the vmware tools to either quiesce the file system, create > deltas etc. The process in how it is done is similar across all platforms, > Veeam Acronis, Nakivo etc. The performance is dependent on how well the > hardware performs. For example I have one server that isn't very large on > the same host as a server that is a massive moving target (non stop > writing/reading). One will backup much faster than the other depending on > the storage capabilities, network capabilities .. overall the hardware > capabilities. If I moved both servers to a new host with better hardware, > faster network, the backups times and performance would increase on both. > To the point where possibly there is no disruption for either server. > > The question is whether or not people have done virtual backups on CHR's > without disruptions, specifically on this Maxxwave. > > HA (high availability) has nothing to do with this scenario. The CHR > would have to be non responsive for quite a long time without any other > processes still taking place to it (the entire backup process would have > had to have crashed). For me HA only works if a server is down on 1 host, > it'll bring it up on another host. It won't bring up copies of VM's if a > backup is taking a while. If any backup takes that long I'd never use it > as a router. > > Now there is proactive HA - but that is a recipe for disaster when running > routers. DRS as well is part of that equation and I wouldn't recommend > that either for a router. It could possibly be a switching nightmare > unless you have the higher end vsphere setup with vswitches and virtual > networking. I'm just running standard Vsphere. > > I think though Mikrotik CHR's are pretty lightweight compared to some > servers. Most can be contained in memory with little disk IO so snapshots > and commits will be quick. The question was if any customers use the > Maxxwave and how it performs with backups/snapshots. > > Also I reviewed the spec sheet and it does show support for larger than > 10Gbps. > > > -- > Steven Kenney > Network Operations Manager > WaveDirect Telecommunications > http://www.wavedirect.net > (519)737-WAVE (9283) > > -- > *From: *"Josh Luthman" > *To: *"af" > *Sent: *Wednesday, May 20, 2020 9:22:04 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > Your backup lag/performance is your backup tool. If you do a snapshot and > copy, that will mostly halt your system until it can set aside a temporary > disk. If you do HA it won't cause any delay. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 8:51 AM Steven Kenney > wrote: > > I remember seeing these several years ago. Anyone know if they have > support coming for faster than 10Gbps? Anyone run these in an actual > vsphere environment? How are snapshots and backups for it? Any lag or > performance hits during the process? > > -- > Steven Kenney > Network Operations Manager > WaveDirect Telecommunications > http://www
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
Too many benefits to virtualizing your routing infrastructure to list here. Its where things are going in the future. For me, its centralized management, backups, redundancy, flexibility. Also if you need more horsepower than a 1072 you can scale what you need pretty fast. You can clone or replicate entire boxes pretty quick. You can create templates to spin up new routers all with every config you need. I know its as easy as copying a config file over. That being said it really makes no sense to do this for under 10Gbps of traffic. I've always used hot spares. But consider this. A router is giving your issues locks you out, stops passing traffic etc. You need to go to the location or use some remote serial login like an open gear to try and determine whats wrong. You physically need to replace the hardware or switch plugs, copy configs. On a VM you can access it remotely and restore from backup in a couple minutes, even have it automatically failover to other hosts, or have its resources expanded as needed. From the comfort of your underwear at home... :) -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) From: "Josh Baird" To: "af" Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 7:50:34 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Virtualization of core network. I can run a number of MT CHR's on a single box (and with redundancy at both the hypervisor layer and L3). For example, I have a pair of vSphere boxes each with a CHR for customer aggregation, one for a BGP route reflector and another doing some other misc stuff. These boxes have 4-6 10Gbps interfaces that I can share between all of the CHR VM's. Driver development is also on CHR, not on MIkrotik X86. On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 6:17 PM Nate Burke < [ mailto:n...@blastcomm.com | n...@blastcomm.com ] > wrote: So Obviously I haven't had the need to run CHR, but I'm trying to figure out why you need it. Why bother to put Mikrotik in a VM instead of dedicated hardware? I'm not being difficult, I'm just trying to understand why this is a thing. Specifically for routing to hosts inside a VM Architecture, or are you virtualizing your core network routing. On 5/20/2020 4:31 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: BQ_BEGIN That's what I was thinking... I could see doing snapshots if you were using CHR on a more advanced VM setup, but I can't imagine why you'd bother with that on something like the Maxxwave that we're talking about here. On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 2:07 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies < [ mailto:m...@mailmt.com | m...@mailmt.com ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Josh, Why is this an issue? I'm working on a CHR VMWARE test box now. What is the purpose of the snapshot? Why not just use the backup/export features of mikrotik for your backup? Won't you have a generic VM/CHR router siting on the shelf ready to go as backup. Fire it up and reload the configuration with the mikrotik tools. That is what I'm doing now with my routerboards.  -- Best regards, Mark               [ mailto:m...@mailmt.com ] [ mailto:m...@mailmt.com | mailto:m...@mailmt.com ] Myakka Technologies, Inc. [ http://www.myakka.com/ | www.Myakka.com ] -- Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 2:29:04 PM, you wrote: Depends on your backup tool. I'm using ghettoVCB and it would definitely be an interruption - really bad for stateful things. Keep in mind you're only backing up a vmdisk with maybe 128 megabytes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 9:55 AM Steven Kenney < [ mailto:st...@wavedirect.org ] [ mailto:st...@wavedirect.org | st...@wavedirect.org ] > wrote: Most backup tools are agnostic. They use Vmwares' functions to do the backups and the vmware tools to either quiesce the file system, create deltas etc. The process in how it is done is similar across all platforms, Veeam Acronis, Nakivo etc. The performance is dependent on how well the hardware performs. For example I have one server that isn't very large on the same host as a server that is a massive moving target (non stop writing/reading). One will backup much faster than the other depending on the storage capabilities, network capabilities .. overall the hardware capabilities. If I moved both servers to a new host with better hardware, faster network,  the backups times and performance would increase on both. To the point where possibly there is no disruption for either server. The question is whether or not people have done virtual backups on CHR's without disruptions, specifically on this Maxxwave.  HA (high availability) has nothing to do with this scenario. The CHR would have to be non responsive for quite a long time without any other
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to have crashed). For me HA only works if a server is down on 1 host, >>>> it'll bring it up on another host. It won't bring up copies of VM's if a >>>> backup is taking a while.  If any backup takes that long I'd never use it >>>> as a router.  >>>> >>>> Now there is proactive HA - but that is a recipe for disaster when >>>> running routers. DRS as well is part of that equation and I wouldn't >>>> recommend that either for a router. It could possibly be a switching >>>> nightmare unless you have the higher end vsphere setup with vswitches and >>>> virtual networking. I'm just running standard Vsphere.  >>>> >>>> I think though Mikrotik CHR's are pretty lightweight compared to some >>>> servers. Most can be contained in memory with little disk IO so snapshots >>>> and commits will be quick. The question was if any customers use the >>>> Maxxwave and how it performs with backups/snapshots. >>>> >>>> Also I reviewed the spec sheet and it does show support for larger than >>>> 10Gbps.  >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Steven Kenney >>>> Network Operations Manager >>>> WaveDirect Telecommunications >>>> http://www.wavedirect.net >>>> (519)737-WAVE (9283) >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" < >>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >>>> *To: *"af" < af@af.afmug.com> >>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 20, 2020 9:22:04 AM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >>>> >>>> Your backup lag/performance is your backup tool. If you do a snapshot >>>> and copy, that will mostly halt your system until it can set aside a >>>> temporary disk. If you do HA it won't cause any delay. >>>> >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>> Suite 1337 >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> >>>> On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 8:51 AM Steven Kenney < >>>> st...@wavedirect.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> I remember seeing these several years ago. Anyone know if they have >>>> support coming for faster than 10Gbps? Anyone run these in an actual >>>> vsphere environment? How are snapshots and backups for it? Any lag or >>>> performance hits during the process?  >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Steven Kenney >>>> Network Operations Manager >>>> WaveDirect Telecommunications >>>> http://www.wavedirect.net >>>> (519)737-WAVE (9283) >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser" < >>>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> >>>> *To: *"af" < af@af.afmug.com> >>>> *Sent: *Friday, May 15, 2020 11:02:28 AM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >>>> >>>> Baltic does not have any native x86 Mikrotik Router. They are using CHR >>>> on the Maxxwave Vengence appliance, which works remarkably well. >>>> >>>> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 9:52 AM Josh Luthman < >>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Baltic seems to be the go to for x86 Mikrotik. He seems to always be >>>> on top of it. >>>> >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>> Suite 1337 >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 3:13 PM Kurt Fankhauser < >>>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I will second the Baltic Networks Vengence 2 CHR. Has been nothing but >>>> totally reliable since we got one in January. Only pushing about 1.5gbps >>>> through it though, but BGP converge times are insanely fast and it was darn >>>> near the same cost as a CCR1072. >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 12:25 PM James Howard < >>>> ja...@litewire.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> Yeah, there seems to be is the key……  I did that with the last one >>>> and had some compatibility issues with the SFP+ cards and didn’t really >>>> end up saving any money over buying one already put together.  >>>> >>>>
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ossibly be a switching >>> nightmare unless you have the higher end vsphere setup with vswitches and >>> virtual networking. I'm just running standard Vsphere.  >>> >>> I think though Mikrotik CHR's are pretty lightweight compared to some >>> servers. Most can be contained in memory with little disk IO so snapshots >>> and commits will be quick. The question was if any customers use the >>> Maxxwave and how it performs with backups/snapshots. >>> >>> Also I reviewed the spec sheet and it does show support for larger than >>> 10Gbps.  >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Steven Kenney >>> Network Operations Manager >>> WaveDirect Telecommunications >>> http://www.wavedirect.net >>> (519)737-WAVE (9283) >>> >>> -- >>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" < >>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >>> *To: *"af" < af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 20, 2020 9:22:04 AM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >>> >>> Your backup lag/performance is your backup tool. If you do a snapshot >>> and copy, that will mostly halt your system until it can set aside a >>> temporary disk. If you do HA it won't cause any delay. >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 8:51 AM Steven Kenney < >>> st...@wavedirect.org> wrote: >>> >>> I remember seeing these several years ago. Anyone know if they have >>> support coming for faster than 10Gbps? Anyone run these in an actual >>> vsphere environment? How are snapshots and backups for it? Any lag or >>> performance hits during the process?  >>> >>> -- >>> Steven Kenney >>> Network Operations Manager >>> WaveDirect Telecommunications >>> http://www.wavedirect.net >>> (519)737-WAVE (9283) >>> >>> -- >>> *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser" < >>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> >>> *To: *"af" < af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Sent: *Friday, May 15, 2020 11:02:28 AM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >>> >>> Baltic does not have any native x86 Mikrotik Router. They are using CHR >>> on the Maxxwave Vengence appliance, which works remarkably well. >>> >>> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 9:52 AM Josh Luthman < >>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>> >>> Baltic seems to be the go to for x86 Mikrotik. He seems to always be >>> on top of it. >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 3:13 PM Kurt Fankhauser < >>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I will second the Baltic Networks Vengence 2 CHR. Has been nothing but >>> totally reliable since we got one in January. Only pushing about 1.5gbps >>> through it though, but BGP converge times are insanely fast and it was darn >>> near the same cost as a CCR1072. >>> >>> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 12:25 PM James Howard < >>> ja...@litewire.net> wrote: >>> >>> Yeah, there seems to be is the key……  I did that with the last one >>> and had some compatibility issues with the SFP+ cards and didn’t really >>> end up saving any money over buying one already put together.  >>> >>> *From:* AF [mailto: af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On >>> Behalf Of *Adam Moffett >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 11:13 AM >>> *To: * af@af.afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >>> >>> I'd imagine you can source a pretty burly network appliance PC from >>> somewhere. There seem to be dozens of options. >>> >>> On 5/12/2020 11:57 AM, James Howard wrote: >>> >>> Baltic says they aren’t sure when they’re going to get the Maxxwave >>> in again. We have one of the Maxxwave i7s and would just get more if they >>> were available. I was hoping Dennis would reply. They don’t seem to >>> list the PowerRouter that they used to sell on their site anymore. >>> >>> *From:* AF [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com >>> ] *On Behalf Of *Ken
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Virtualization of core network. I can run a number of MT CHR's on a single box (and with redundancy at both the hypervisor layer and L3). For example, I have a pair of vSphere boxes each with a CHR for customer aggregation, one for a BGP route reflector and another doing some other misc stuff. These boxes have 4-6 10Gbps interfaces that I can share between all of the CHR VM's. Driver development is also on CHR, not on MIkrotik X86. On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 6:17 PM Nate Burke wrote: > So Obviously I haven't had the need to run CHR, but I'm trying to figure > out why you need it. Why bother to put Mikrotik in a VM instead of > dedicated hardware? I'm not being difficult, I'm just trying to understand > why this is a thing. Specifically for routing to hosts inside a VM > Architecture, or are you virtualizing your core network routing. > > On 5/20/2020 4:31 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: > > That's what I was thinking... I could see doing snapshots if you were > using CHR on a more advanced VM setup, but I can't imagine why you'd bother > with that on something like the Maxxwave that we're talking about here. > > On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 2:07 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies < > m...@mailmt.com> wrote: > >> Josh, >> >> Why is this an issue? I'm working on a CHR VMWARE test box now. What >> is the purpose of the snapshot? Why not just use the backup/export >> features of mikrotik for your backup? Won't you have a generic VM/CHR >> router siting on the shelf ready to go as backup. Fire it up and reload >> the configuration with the mikrotik tools. That is what I'm doing now >> with my routerboards.  >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Mark               >> mailto:m...@mailmt.com >> >> Myakka Technologies, Inc. >> www.Myakka.com >> >> -- >> >> Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 2:29:04 PM, you wrote: >> >> >> Depends on your backup tool. I'm using ghettoVCB and it would >> definitely be an interruption - really bad for stateful things. >> >> Keep in mind you're only backing up a vmdisk with maybe 128 megabytes. >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 9:55 AM Steven Kenney < >> st...@wavedirect.org> wrote: >> >> Most backup tools are agnostic. They use Vmwares' functions to do the >> backups and the vmware tools to either quiesce the file system, create >> deltas etc. The process in how it is done is similar across all >> platforms, Veeam Acronis, Nakivo etc. The performance is dependent on how >> well the hardware performs. For example I have one server that isn't very >> large on the same host as a server that is a massive moving target (non >> stop writing/reading). One will backup much faster than the other >> depending on the storage capabilities, network capabilities .. overall the >> hardware capabilities. If I moved both servers to a new host with better >> hardware, faster network,  the backups times and performance would >> increase on both. To the point where possibly there is no disruption for >> either server. >> >> The question is whether or not people have done virtual backups on CHR's >> without disruptions, specifically on this Maxxwave.  >> >> HA (high availability) has nothing to do with this scenario. The CHR >> would have to be non responsive for quite a long time without any other >> processes still taking place to it (the entire backup process would have >> had to have crashed). For me HA only works if a server is down on 1 host, >> it'll bring it up on another host. It won't bring up copies of VM's if a >> backup is taking a while.  If any backup takes that long I'd never use it >> as a router.  >> >> Now there is proactive HA - but that is a recipe for disaster when >> running routers. DRS as well is part of that equation and I wouldn't >> recommend that either for a router. It could possibly be a switching >> nightmare unless you have the higher end vsphere setup with vswitches and >> virtual networking. I'm just running standard Vsphere.  >> >> I think though Mikrotik CHR's are pretty lightweight compared to some >> servers. Most can be contained in memory with little disk IO so snapshots >> and commits will be quick. The question was if any customers use the >> Maxxwave and how it performs with backups/snap
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
Virtualize the core networking. A) That's what everyone's moving to. B) Easier to make a limited number of paravirtualized drivers perform well and leave it to Microsoft, VMware, etc. to deal with implementing good drivers for every Tom, Dick, and Harry NIC out there. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Nate Burke" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 5:15:43 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out So Obviously I haven't had the need to run CHR, but I'm trying to figure out why you need it. Why bother to put Mikrotik in a VM instead of dedicated hardware? I'm not being difficult, I'm just trying to understand why this is a thing. Specifically for routing to hosts inside a VM Architecture, or are you virtualizing your core network routing. On 5/20/2020 4:31 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: That's what I was thinking... I could see doing snapshots if you were using CHR on a more advanced VM setup, but I can't imagine why you'd bother with that on something like the Maxxwave that we're talking about here. On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 2:07 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies < m...@mailmt.com > wrote: Josh, Why is this an issue? I'm working on a CHR VMWARE test box now. What is the purpose of the snapshot? Why not just use the backup/export features of mikrotik for your backup? Won't you have a generic VM/CHR router siting on the shelf ready to go as backup. Fire it up and reload the configuration with the mikrotik tools. That is what I'm doing now with my routerboards.  -- Best regards, Mark               mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.Myakka.com -- Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 2:29:04 PM, you wrote: Depends on your backup tool. I'm using ghettoVCB and it would definitely be an interruption - really bad for stateful things. Keep in mind you're only backing up a vmdisk with maybe 128 megabytes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 9:55 AM Steven Kenney < st...@wavedirect.org > wrote: Most backup tools are agnostic. They use Vmwares' functions to do the backups and the vmware tools to either quiesce the file system, create deltas etc. The process in how it is done is similar across all platforms, Veeam Acronis, Nakivo etc. The performance is dependent on how well the hardware performs. For example I have one server that isn't very large on the same host as a server that is a massive moving target (non stop writing/reading). One will backup much faster than the other depending on the storage capabilities, network capabilities .. overall the hardware capabilities. If I moved both servers to a new host with better hardware, faster network,  the backups times and performance would increase on both. To the point where possibly there is no disruption for either server. The question is whether or not people have done virtual backups on CHR's without disruptions, specifically on this Maxxwave.  HA (high availability) has nothing to do with this scenario. The CHR would have to be non responsive for quite a long time without any other processes still taking place to it (the entire backup process would have had to have crashed). For me HA only works if a server is down on 1 host, it'll bring it up on another host. It won't bring up copies of VM's if a backup is taking a while.  If any backup takes that long I'd never use it as a router.  Now there is proactive HA - but that is a recipe for disaster when running routers. DRS as well is part of that equation and I wouldn't recommend that either for a router. It could possibly be a switching nightmare unless you have the higher end vsphere setup with vswitches and virtual networking. I'm just running standard Vsphere.  I think though Mikrotik CHR's are pretty lightweight compared to some servers. Most can be contained in memory with little disk IO so snapshots and commits will be quick. The question was if any customers use the Maxxwave and how it performs with backups/snapshots. Also I reviewed the spec sheet and it does show support for larger than 10Gbps.  -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > To: "af" < af@af.afmug.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 9:22:04 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Your backup lag/performance is your backup tool. If you do a snapshot and copy, that will mostly halt your system until it ca
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
So Obviously I haven't had the need to run CHR, but I'm trying to figure out why you need it. Why bother to put Mikrotik in a VM instead of dedicated hardware? I'm not being difficult, I'm just trying to understand why this is a thing. Specifically for routing to hosts inside a VM Architecture, or are you virtualizing your core network routing. On 5/20/2020 4:31 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: That's what I was thinking... I could see doing snapshots if you were using CHR on a more advanced VM setup, but I can't imagine why you'd bother with that on something like the Maxxwave that we're talking about here. On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 2:07 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote: Josh, Why is this an issue? I'm working on a CHR VMWARE test box now. What is the purpose of the snapshot? Why not just use the backup/export features of mikrotik for your backup? Won't you have a generic VM/CHR router siting on the shelf ready to go as backup. Fire it up and reload the configuration with the mikrotik tools. That is what I'm doing now with my routerboards.  -- Best regards, Mark               mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.Myakka.com <http://www.Myakka.com> -- Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 2:29:04 PM, you wrote: Depends on your backup tool. I'm using ghettoVCB and it would definitely be an interruption - really bad for stateful things. Keep in mind you're only backing up a vmdisk with maybe 128 megabytes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 9:55 AM Steven Kenney mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>> wrote: Most backup tools are agnostic. They use Vmwares' functions to do the backups and the vmware tools to either quiesce the file system, create deltas etc. The process in how it is done is similar across all platforms, Veeam Acronis, Nakivo etc. The performance is dependent on how well the hardware performs. For example I have one server that isn't very large on the same host as a server that is a massive moving target (non stop writing/reading). One will backup much faster than the other depending on the storage capabilities, network capabilities .. overall the hardware capabilities. If I moved both servers to a new host with better hardware, faster network,  the backups times and performance would increase on both. To the point where possibly there is no disruption for either server. The question is whether or not people have done virtual backups on CHR's without disruptions, specifically on this Maxxwave.  HA (high availability) has nothing to do with this scenario. The CHR would have to be non responsive for quite a long time without any other processes still taking place to it (the entire backup process would have had to have crashed). For me HA only works if a server is down on 1 host, it'll bring it up on another host. It won't bring up copies of VM's if a backup is taking a while.  If any backup takes that long I'd never use it as a router.  Now there is proactive HA - but that is a recipe for disaster when running routers. DRS as well is part of that equation and I wouldn't recommend that either for a router. It could possibly be a switching nightmare unless you have the higher end vsphere setup with vswitches and virtual networking. I'm just running standard Vsphere.  I think though Mikrotik CHR's are pretty lightweight compared to some servers. Most can be contained in memory with little disk IO so snapshots and commits will be quick. The question was if any customers use the Maxxwave and how it performs with backups/snapshots. Also I reviewed the spec sheet and it does show support for larger than 10Gbps.  -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) *From: *"Josh Luthman" mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> *To: *"af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 20, 2020 9:22:04 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Your backup lag/performance is your backup tool. If you do a snapshot and copy, that will mostly halt your system until it can set aside a temporary disk. If you do HA it won't cause any delay. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 8
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
That's what I was thinking... I could see doing snapshots if you were using CHR on a more advanced VM setup, but I can't imagine why you'd bother with that on something like the Maxxwave that we're talking about here. On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 2:07 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote: > Josh, > > Why is this an issue? I'm working on a CHR VMWARE test box now. What is > the purpose of the snapshot? Why not just use the backup/export features > of mikrotik for your backup? Won't you have a generic VM/CHR router siting > on the shelf ready to go as backup. Fire it up and reload the > configuration with the mikrotik tools. That is what I'm doing now with my > routerboards. > > > -- > Best regards, > Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com > > Myakka Technologies, Inc. > www.Myakka.com > > -- > > Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 2:29:04 PM, you wrote: > > > Depends on your backup tool. I'm using ghettoVCB and it would definitely > be an interruption - really bad for stateful things. > > Keep in mind you're only backing up a vmdisk with maybe 128 megabytes. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 9:55 AM Steven Kenney > wrote: > > Most backup tools are agnostic. They use Vmwares' functions to do the > backups and the vmware tools to either quiesce the file system, create > deltas etc. The process in how it is done is similar across all platforms, > Veeam Acronis, Nakivo etc. The performance is dependent on how well the > hardware performs. For example I have one server that isn't very large on > the same host as a server that is a massive moving target (non stop > writing/reading). One will backup much faster than the other depending on > the storage capabilities, network capabilities .. overall the hardware > capabilities. If I moved both servers to a new host with better hardware, > faster network, the backups times and performance would increase on both. > To the point where possibly there is no disruption for either server. > > The question is whether or not people have done virtual backups on CHR's > without disruptions, specifically on this Maxxwave. > > HA (high availability) has nothing to do with this scenario. The CHR > would have to be non responsive for quite a long time without any other > processes still taking place to it (the entire backup process would have > had to have crashed). For me HA only works if a server is down on 1 host, > it'll bring it up on another host. It won't bring up copies of VM's if a > backup is taking a while. If any backup takes that long I'd never use it > as a router. > > Now there is proactive HA - but that is a recipe for disaster when running > routers. DRS as well is part of that equation and I wouldn't recommend > that either for a router. It could possibly be a switching nightmare > unless you have the higher end vsphere setup with vswitches and virtual > networking. I'm just running standard Vsphere. > > I think though Mikrotik CHR's are pretty lightweight compared to some > servers. Most can be contained in memory with little disk IO so snapshots > and commits will be quick. The question was if any customers use the > Maxxwave and how it performs with backups/snapshots. > > Also I reviewed the spec sheet and it does show support for larger than > 10Gbps. > > > -- > Steven Kenney > Network Operations Manager > WaveDirect Telecommunications > http://www.wavedirect.net > (519)737-WAVE (9283) > > -- > *From: *"Josh Luthman" > *To: *"af" > *Sent: *Wednesday, May 20, 2020 9:22:04 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > Your backup lag/performance is your backup tool. If you do a snapshot and > copy, that will mostly halt your system until it can set aside a temporary > disk. If you do HA it won't cause any delay. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 8:51 AM Steven Kenney > wrote: > > I remember seeing these several years ago. Anyone know if they have > support coming for faster than 10Gbps? Anyone run these in an actual > vsphere environment? How are snapshots and backups for it? Any lag or > performance hits during the process? > > -- > Steven Kenney > Network Operations Manager > WaveDirect Telecommunications > http://www.wavedirect.net > (519)737-WAVE (9283) > > -- > *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser&
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
Title: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Josh, Why is this an issue? I'm working on a CHR VMWARE test box now. What is the purpose of the snapshot? Why not just use the backup/export features of mikrotik for your backup? Won't you have a generic VM/CHR router siting on the shelf ready to go as backup. Fire it up and reload the configuration with the mikrotik tools. That is what I'm doing now with my routerboards. -- Best regards, Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.Myakka.com -- Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 2:29:04 PM, you wrote: Depends on your backup tool. I'm using ghettoVCB and it would definitely be an interruption - really bad for stateful things. Keep in mind you're only backing up a vmdisk with maybe 128 megabytes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 9:55 AM Steven Kenney <st...@wavedirect.org> wrote: Most backup tools are agnostic. They use Vmwares' functions to do the backups and the vmware tools to either quiesce the file system, create deltas etc. The process in how it is done is similar across all platforms, Veeam Acronis, Nakivo etc. The performance is dependent on how well the hardware performs. For example I have one server that isn't very large on the same host as a server that is a massive moving target (non stop writing/reading). One will backup much faster than the other depending on the storage capabilities, network capabilities .. overall the hardware capabilities. If I moved both servers to a new host with better hardware, faster network, the backups times and performance would increase on both. To the point where possibly there is no disruption for either server. The question is whether or not people have done virtual backups on CHR's without disruptions, specifically on this Maxxwave. HA (high availability) has nothing to do with this scenario. The CHR would have to be non responsive for quite a long time without any other processes still taking place to it (the entire backup process would have had to have crashed). For me HA only works if a server is down on 1 host, it'll bring it up on another host. It won't bring up copies of VM's if a backup is taking a while. If any backup takes that long I'd never use it as a router. Now there is proactive HA - but that is a recipe for disaster when running routers. DRS as well is part of that equation and I wouldn't recommend that either for a router. It could possibly be a switching nightmare unless you have the higher end vsphere setup with vswitches and virtual networking. I'm just running standard Vsphere. I think though Mikrotik CHR's are pretty lightweight compared to some servers. Most can be contained in memory with little disk IO so snapshots and commits will be quick. The question was if any customers use the Maxxwave and how it performs with backups/snapshots. Also I reviewed the spec sheet and it does show support for larger than 10Gbps. -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> To: "af" <af@af.afmug.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 9:22:04 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Your backup lag/performance is your backup tool. If you do a snapshot and copy, that will mostly halt your system until it can set aside a temporary disk. If you do HA it won't cause any delay. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 8:51 AM Steven Kenney <st...@wavedirect.org> wrote: I remember seeing these several years ago. Anyone know if they have support coming for faster than 10Gbps? Anyone run these in an actual vsphere environment? How are snapshots and backups for it? Any lag or performance hits during the process? -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> To: "af" <af@af.afmug.com> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 11:02:28 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Baltic does not have any native x86 Mikrotik Router. They are using CHR on the Maxxwave Vengence appliance, which works remarkably well. On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 9:52 AM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: Baltic seems to be the go to for x86 Mikrotik. He seems to always be on top of it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 3:13 PM Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote: I will second the Baltic Networks Vengence 2 CHR. Has been nothing but totally reliable sinc
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
ROS7 is delayed for release right now, They found it also cures COVID when coupled to a unicorn fart extractor, so its been Placed in the WHO wheelhouse for further developement On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 7:57 AM wrote: > Mike, > > I'm sure you'll argue that ROS v7 exists for some values of "exists", but > let's be honest, it doesn't exist for any practical values of exists. > > > Jared > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 > From: "Mike Hammett" > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > https://mikrotik.com/download > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/] > [ > https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL][https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb][https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions][https://twitter.com/ICSIL > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL%5D%5Bhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb%5D%5Bhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions%5D%5Bhttps://twitter.com/ICSIL> > ] > Midwest Internet Exchange[http://www.midwest-ix.com/] > [ > https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix][https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange][https://twitter.com/mdwestix > ] > The Brothers WISP[http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/] > [ > https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp][https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg > ] > > > > ---------------- > > From: fiber...@mail.com > To: af@af.afmug.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 12:09:30 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > People keep talking about ROS v7 like it's a thing that actually exists... > :) > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 > From: "Mike Hammett" > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > That's only until v7, when it'll run native. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions[ > http://www.ics-il.com/[http://www.ics-il.com/]] > [ > https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL]][https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb]][https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions]][https://twitter.com/ICSIL[https://twitter.com/ICSIL] > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL%5Bhttps://www.facebook.com/ICSIL%5D%5D%5Bhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb%5Bhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb%5D%5D%5Bhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions%5Bhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions%5D%5D%5Bhttps://twitter.com/ICSIL%5Bhttps://twitter.com/ICSIL%5D> > ] > Midwest Internet Exchange[ > http://www.midwest-ix.com/[http://www.midwest-ix.com/]] > [ > https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix[https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix]][https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange[https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange]][https://twitter.com/mdwestix[https://twitter.com/mdwestix] > ] > The Brothers WISP[ > http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/[http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/]] > [ > https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp[https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp]][https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg[https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg] > ] > > > > > > From: fiber...@mail.com > To: af@af.afmug.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 5:16:55 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > Sometimes I wonder about the business practices of Mikrotik... > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 > > From: "Dennis Burgess via AF" > > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > > Cc: "Dennis Burgess" > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > > > It runs 32 bit in emulation is what I heard. i.e. worse performance > than native 32bit.. > > > > > > > > Dennis Burgess > > > > Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless > Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security > Engineer, Enterprise Wireless Engineer > > Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level > > Cambium: ePMP > > > > Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” > > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net[ > http://www.linktechs.net][ht
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
Depends on your backup tool. I'm using ghettoVCB and it would definitely be an interruption - really bad for stateful things. Keep in mind you're only backing up a vmdisk with maybe 128 megabytes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 9:55 AM Steven Kenney wrote: > Most backup tools are agnostic. They use Vmwares' functions to do the > backups and the vmware tools to either quiesce the file system, create > deltas etc. The process in how it is done is similar across all platforms, > Veeam Acronis, Nakivo etc. The performance is dependent on how well the > hardware performs. For example I have one server that isn't very large on > the same host as a server that is a massive moving target (non stop > writing/reading). One will backup much faster than the other depending on > the storage capabilities, network capabilities .. overall the hardware > capabilities. If I moved both servers to a new host with better hardware, > faster network, the backups times and performance would increase on both. > To the point where possibly there is no disruption for either server. > > The question is whether or not people have done virtual backups on CHR's > without disruptions, specifically on this Maxxwave. > > HA (high availability) has nothing to do with this scenario. The CHR > would have to be non responsive for quite a long time without any other > processes still taking place to it (the entire backup process would have > had to have crashed). For me HA only works if a server is down on 1 host, > it'll bring it up on another host. It won't bring up copies of VM's if a > backup is taking a while. If any backup takes that long I'd never use it > as a router. > > Now there is proactive HA - but that is a recipe for disaster when running > routers. DRS as well is part of that equation and I wouldn't recommend > that either for a router. It could possibly be a switching nightmare > unless you have the higher end vsphere setup with vswitches and virtual > networking. I'm just running standard Vsphere. > > I think though Mikrotik CHR's are pretty lightweight compared to some > servers. Most can be contained in memory with little disk IO so snapshots > and commits will be quick. The question was if any customers use the > Maxxwave and how it performs with backups/snapshots. > > Also I reviewed the spec sheet and it does show support for larger than > 10Gbps. > > > -- > Steven Kenney > Network Operations Manager > WaveDirect Telecommunications > http://www.wavedirect.net > (519)737-WAVE (9283) > > -- > *From: *"Josh Luthman" > *To: *"af" > *Sent: *Wednesday, May 20, 2020 9:22:04 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > Your backup lag/performance is your backup tool. If you do a snapshot and > copy, that will mostly halt your system until it can set aside a temporary > disk. If you do HA it won't cause any delay. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 8:51 AM Steven Kenney > wrote: > >> I remember seeing these several years ago. Anyone know if they have >> support coming for faster than 10Gbps? Anyone run these in an actual >> vsphere environment? How are snapshots and backups for it? Any lag or >> performance hits during the process? >> >> -- >> Steven Kenney >> Network Operations Manager >> WaveDirect Telecommunications >> http://www.wavedirect.net >> (519)737-WAVE (9283) >> >> -- >> *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser" >> *To: *"af" >> *Sent: *Friday, May 15, 2020 11:02:28 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >> >> Baltic does not have any native x86 Mikrotik Router. They are using CHR >> on the Maxxwave Vengence appliance, which works remarkably well. >> >> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 9:52 AM Josh Luthman >> wrote: >> >>> Baltic seems to be the go to for x86 Mikrotik. He seems to always be on >>> top of it. >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 3:13 PM Kurt Fankhauser < >>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I will second the Baltic Networks Vengence 2 CHR. Has been nothing but >>>> totally reliable since we got one in Januar
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Most backup tools are agnostic. They use Vmwares' functions to do the backups and the vmware tools to either quiesce the file system, create deltas etc. The process in how it is done is similar across all platforms, Veeam Acronis, Nakivo etc. The performance is dependent on how well the hardware performs. For example I have one server that isn't very large on the same host as a server that is a massive moving target (non stop writing/reading). One will backup much faster than the other depending on the storage capabilities, network capabilities .. overall the hardware capabilities. If I moved both servers to a new host with better hardware, faster network, the backups times and performance would increase on both. To the point where possibly there is no disruption for either server. The question is whether or not people have done virtual backups on CHR's without disruptions, specifically on this Maxxwave. HA (high availability) has nothing to do with this scenario. The CHR would have to be non responsive for quite a long time without any other processes still taking place to it (the entire backup process would have had to have crashed). For me HA only works if a server is down on 1 host, it'll bring it up on another host. It won't bring up copies of VM's if a backup is taking a while. If any backup takes that long I'd never use it as a router. Now there is proactive HA - but that is a recipe for disaster when running routers. DRS as well is part of that equation and I wouldn't recommend that either for a router. It could possibly be a switching nightmare unless you have the higher end vsphere setup with vswitches and virtual networking. I'm just running standard Vsphere. I think though Mikrotik CHR's are pretty lightweight compared to some servers. Most can be contained in memory with little disk IO so snapshots and commits will be quick. The question was if any customers use the Maxxwave and how it performs with backups/snapshots. Also I reviewed the spec sheet and it does show support for larger than 10Gbps. -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) From: "Josh Luthman" To: "af" Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 9:22:04 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Your backup lag/performance is your backup tool. If you do a snapshot and copy, that will mostly halt your system until it can set aside a temporary disk. If you do HA it won't cause any delay. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 8:51 AM Steven Kenney < [ mailto:st...@wavedirect.org | st...@wavedirect.org ] > wrote: I remember seeing these several years ago. Anyone know if they have support coming for faster than 10Gbps? Anyone run these in an actual vsphere environment? How are snapshots and backups for it? Any lag or performance hits during the process? -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications [ http://www.wavedirect.net/ | http://www.wavedirect.net ] (519)737-WAVE (9283) From: "Kurt Fankhauser" < [ mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com | lists.wavel...@gmail.com ] > To: "af" < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] > Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 11:02:28 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Baltic does not have any native x86 Mikrotik Router. They are using CHR on the Maxxwave Vengence appliance, which works remarkably well. On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 9:52 AM Josh Luthman < [ mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com | j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Baltic seems to be the go to for x86 Mikrotik. He seems to always be on top of it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 3:13 PM Kurt Fankhauser < [ mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com | lists.wavel...@gmail.com ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN I will second the Baltic Networks Vengence 2 CHR. Has been nothing but totally reliable since we got one in January. Only pushing about 1.5gbps through it though, but BGP converge times are insanely fast and it was darn near the same cost as a CCR1072. On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 12:25 PM James Howard < [ mailto:ja...@litewire.net | ja...@litewire.net ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Yeah, there seems to be is the key…… I did that with the last one and had some compatibility issues with the SFP+ cards and didn’t really end up saving any money over buying one already put together. From: AF [mailto: [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com | af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] ] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 11:13 AM To: [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out I'd imagine you can source a pretty bu
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Your backup lag/performance is your backup tool. If you do a snapshot and copy, that will mostly halt your system until it can set aside a temporary disk. If you do HA it won't cause any delay. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 8:51 AM Steven Kenney wrote: > I remember seeing these several years ago. Anyone know if they have > support coming for faster than 10Gbps? Anyone run these in an actual > vsphere environment? How are snapshots and backups for it? Any lag or > performance hits during the process? > > -- > Steven Kenney > Network Operations Manager > WaveDirect Telecommunications > http://www.wavedirect.net > (519)737-WAVE (9283) > > -- > *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser" > *To: *"af" > *Sent: *Friday, May 15, 2020 11:02:28 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > Baltic does not have any native x86 Mikrotik Router. They are using CHR on > the Maxxwave Vengence appliance, which works remarkably well. > > On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 9:52 AM Josh Luthman > wrote: > >> Baltic seems to be the go to for x86 Mikrotik. He seems to always be on >> top of it. >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 3:13 PM Kurt Fankhauser >> wrote: >> >>> I will second the Baltic Networks Vengence 2 CHR. Has been nothing but >>> totally reliable since we got one in January. Only pushing about 1.5gbps >>> through it though, but BGP converge times are insanely fast and it was darn >>> near the same cost as a CCR1072. >>> >>> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 12:25 PM James Howard >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Yeah, there seems to be is the key…… I did that with the last one and >>>> had some compatibility issues with the SFP+ cards and didn’t really end up >>>> saving any money over buying one already put together. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 11:13 AM >>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I'd imagine you can source a pretty burly network appliance PC from >>>> somewhere. There seem to be dozens of options. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 5/12/2020 11:57 AM, James Howard wrote: >>>> >>>> Baltic says they aren’t sure when they’re going to get the Maxxwave in >>>> again. We have one of the Maxxwave i7s and would just get more if they >>>> were available. I was hoping Dennis would reply. They don’t seem to list >>>> the PowerRouter that they used to sell on their site anymore. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On >>>> Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:45 AM >>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >>>> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Baltic/Maxxwave has one, but their web store shows out of stock, is it >>>> actually discontinued? Linktechs might have one, if you don’t want to >>>> build your own. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *James Howard >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:17 AM >>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> So what is awesome and available now? We had an i7 box (network >>>> appliance I guess) running Mikrotik take a dump so we need to get another >>>> backup (or two). Nobody seems to have i7 based Mikrotik boxes available. >>>> BGP is a must. We’re running CHR on our current boxes. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On >>>> Behalf Of *Dennis Burgess via AF >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 9:51 AM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> *Cc:* Dennis Burgess >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I would not expect it to be "AWSOME&q
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I remember seeing these several years ago. Anyone know if they have support coming for faster than 10Gbps? Anyone run these in an actual vsphere environment? How are snapshots and backups for it? Any lag or performance hits during the process? -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) From: "Kurt Fankhauser" To: "af" Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 11:02:28 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Baltic does not have any native x86 Mikrotik Router. They are using CHR on the Maxxwave Vengence appliance, which works remarkably well. On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 9:52 AM Josh Luthman < [ mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com | j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ] > wrote: Baltic seems to be the go to for x86 Mikrotik. He seems to always be on top of it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 3:13 PM Kurt Fankhauser < [ mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com | lists.wavel...@gmail.com ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN I will second the Baltic Networks Vengence 2 CHR. Has been nothing but totally reliable since we got one in January. Only pushing about 1.5gbps through it though, but BGP converge times are insanely fast and it was darn near the same cost as a CCR1072. On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 12:25 PM James Howard < [ mailto:ja...@litewire.net | ja...@litewire.net ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Yeah, there seems to be is the key…… I did that with the last one and had some compatibility issues with the SFP+ cards and didn’t really end up saving any money over buying one already put together. From: AF [mailto: [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com | af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] ] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 11:13 AM To: [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out I'd imagine you can source a pretty burly network appliance PC from somewhere. There seem to be dozens of options. On 5/12/2020 11:57 AM, James Howard wrote: BQ_BEGIN Baltic says they aren’t sure when they’re going to get the Maxxwave in again. We have one of the Maxxwave i7s and would just get more if they were available. I was hoping Dennis would reply. They don’t seem to list the PowerRouter that they used to sell on their site anymore. From: AF [ [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com | mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] ] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:45 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | ] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Baltic/Maxxwave has one, but their web store shows out of stock, is it actually discontinued? Linktechs might have one, if you don’t want to build your own. From: AF < [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com | af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] > On Behalf Of James Howard Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:17 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out So what is awesome and available now? We had an i7 box (network appliance I guess) running Mikrotik take a dump so we need to get another backup (or two). Nobody seems to have i7 based Mikrotik boxes available. BGP is a must. We’re running CHR on our current boxes. From: AF [ [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com | mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] ] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess via AF Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 9:51 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] > Cc: Dennis Burgess < [ mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net | dmburg...@linktechs.net ] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out I would not expect it to be "AWSOME" till v7 Dennis Burgess Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, Enterprise Wireless Engineer Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level Cambium: ePMP Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: [ http://www.linktechs.net/ | http://www.linktechs.net ] Create Wireless Coverage's with [ http://www.towercoverage.com/ | www.towercoverage.com ] -Original Message- From: AF < [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com%3e | af-boun...@af.afmug.com> ] On Behalf Of [ mailto:fiber...@mail.com | fiber...@mail.com ] Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 11:51 PM To: [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Surprisingly bad BGP results from the CCR2004 [ https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=161044 | https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=161044 ] -- AF mailing list [ mailto:AF@af.afmug.com | AF@af.afmug.com ] [ http://af.afmug
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
Baltic does not have any native x86 Mikrotik Router. They are using CHR on the Maxxwave Vengence appliance, which works remarkably well. On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 9:52 AM Josh Luthman wrote: > Baltic seems to be the go to for x86 Mikrotik. He seems to always be on > top of it. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 3:13 PM Kurt Fankhauser > wrote: > >> I will second the Baltic Networks Vengence 2 CHR. Has been nothing but >> totally reliable since we got one in January. Only pushing about 1.5gbps >> through it though, but BGP converge times are insanely fast and it was darn >> near the same cost as a CCR1072. >> >> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 12:25 PM James Howard wrote: >> >>> Yeah, there seems to be is the key…… I did that with the last one and >>> had some compatibility issues with the SFP+ cards and didn’t really end up >>> saving any money over buying one already put together. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 11:13 AM >>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >>> >>> >>> >>> I'd imagine you can source a pretty burly network appliance PC from >>> somewhere. There seem to be dozens of options. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 5/12/2020 11:57 AM, James Howard wrote: >>> >>> Baltic says they aren’t sure when they’re going to get the Maxxwave in >>> again. We have one of the Maxxwave i7s and would just get more if they >>> were available. I was hoping Dennis would reply. They don’t seem to list >>> the PowerRouter that they used to sell on their site anymore. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On >>> Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:45 AM >>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >>> >>> >>> >>> Baltic/Maxxwave has one, but their web store shows out of stock, is it >>> actually discontinued? Linktechs might have one, if you don’t want to >>> build your own. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *James Howard >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:17 AM >>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >>> >>> >>> >>> So what is awesome and available now? We had an i7 box (network >>> appliance I guess) running Mikrotik take a dump so we need to get another >>> backup (or two). Nobody seems to have i7 based Mikrotik boxes available. >>> BGP is a must. We’re running CHR on our current boxes. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On >>> Behalf Of *Dennis Burgess via AF >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 9:51 AM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Cc:* Dennis Burgess >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >>> >>> >>> >>> I would not expect it to be "AWSOME" till v7 >>> >>> >>> >>> Dennis Burgess >>> >>> Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless >>> Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security >>> Engineer, Enterprise Wireless Engineer >>> Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level >>> Cambium: ePMP >>> >>> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" >>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >>> Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: AF On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com >>> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 11:51 PM >>> To: af@af.afmug.com >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >>> >>> Surprisingly bad BGP results from the CCR2004 >>> https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=161044 >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
Baltic seems to be the go to for x86 Mikrotik. He seems to always be on top of it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 3:13 PM Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > I will second the Baltic Networks Vengence 2 CHR. Has been nothing but > totally reliable since we got one in January. Only pushing about 1.5gbps > through it though, but BGP converge times are insanely fast and it was darn > near the same cost as a CCR1072. > > On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 12:25 PM James Howard wrote: > >> Yeah, there seems to be is the key…… I did that with the last one and >> had some compatibility issues with the SFP+ cards and didn’t really end up >> saving any money over buying one already put together. >> >> >> >> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 11:13 AM >> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >> >> >> >> I'd imagine you can source a pretty burly network appliance PC from >> somewhere. There seem to be dozens of options. >> >> >> >> On 5/12/2020 11:57 AM, James Howard wrote: >> >> Baltic says they aren’t sure when they’re going to get the Maxxwave in >> again. We have one of the Maxxwave i7s and would just get more if they >> were available. I was hoping Dennis would reply. They don’t seem to list >> the PowerRouter that they used to sell on their site anymore. >> >> >> >> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On >> Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:45 AM >> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >> >> >> >> Baltic/Maxxwave has one, but their web store shows out of stock, is it >> actually discontinued? Linktechs might have one, if you don’t want to >> build your own. >> >> >> >> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *James Howard >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:17 AM >> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >> >> >> >> So what is awesome and available now? We had an i7 box (network >> appliance I guess) running Mikrotik take a dump so we need to get another >> backup (or two). Nobody seems to have i7 based Mikrotik boxes available. >> BGP is a must. We’re running CHR on our current boxes. >> >> >> >> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On >> Behalf Of *Dennis Burgess via AF >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 9:51 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Cc:* Dennis Burgess >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >> >> >> >> I would not expect it to be "AWSOME" till v7 >> >> >> >> Dennis Burgess >> >> Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless >> Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security >> Engineer, Enterprise Wireless Engineer >> Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level >> Cambium: ePMP >> >> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" >> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >> Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com >> >> -Original Message- >> From: AF On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com >> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 11:51 PM >> To: af@af.afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >> >> Surprisingly bad BGP results from the CCR2004 >> https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=161044 >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> -- >> >> *Total Control Panel* >> >> Login <https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net> >> >> To: ja...@litewire.net >> <https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993&domain=litewire.net> >> >> From: af-boun...@af.afmug.com >> >> *You received this message because the domain afmug.com >> <http://afmug.com> is on your allow list.* >> >> >> -- >> >> *Total Control Panel* >> >> Login <https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net> >> >>
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
It does not do BGP yet, no. It does not do ARM64 yet, no. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: fiber...@mail.com To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 7:56:27 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Mike, I'm sure you'll argue that ROS v7 exists for some values of "exists", but let's be honest, it doesn't exist for any practical values of exists. Jared Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 From: "Mike Hammett" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out https://mikrotik.com/download - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/] [https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL][https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb][https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions][https://twitter.com/ICSIL] Midwest Internet Exchange[http://www.midwest-ix.com/] [https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix][https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange][https://twitter.com/mdwestix] The Brothers WISP[http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/] [https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp][https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg] From: fiber...@mail.com To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 12:09:30 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out People keep talking about ROS v7 like it's a thing that actually exists... :) Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 From: "Mike Hammett" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out That's only until v7, when it'll run native. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/[http://www.ics-il.com/]] [https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL]][https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb]][https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions]][https://twitter.com/ICSIL[https://twitter.com/ICSIL]] Midwest Internet Exchange[http://www.midwest-ix.com/[http://www.midwest-ix.com/]] [https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix[https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix]][https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange[https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange]][https://twitter.com/mdwestix[https://twitter.com/mdwestix]] The Brothers WISP[http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/[http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/]] [https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp[https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp]][https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg[https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg]] From: fiber...@mail.com To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 5:16:55 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Sometimes I wonder about the business practices of Mikrotik... > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 > From: "Dennis Burgess via AF" > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > Cc: "Dennis Burgess" > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > It runs 32 bit in emulation is what I heard. i.e. worse performance than > native 32bit.. > > > > Dennis Burgess > > Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, > Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, > Enterprise Wireless Engineer > Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level > Cambium: ePMP > > Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: > http://www.linktechs.net[http://www.linktechs.net][http://www.linktechs.net[http://www.linktechs.net]] > > Create Wireless Coverage’s with > www.towercoverage.com[http://www.towercoverage.com][http://www.towercoverage.com[http://www.towercoverage.com]] > > > -Original Message- > From: AF On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:13 AM > To: af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > Well, I did expect it to match the RB4011, or even best it a bit. Alas, it > was not to be. Disappointing... > > Jared > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 > > From: "Dennis Burgess via AF" > > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > > Cc: "Dennis Burgess" > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > > > I would not expect it to be "AWSOME" till v7 > > > > > > > > Dennis Burgess &
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
Mike, I'm sure you'll argue that ROS v7 exists for some values of "exists", but let's be honest, it doesn't exist for any practical values of exists. Jared Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 From: "Mike Hammett" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out https://mikrotik.com/download - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/] [https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL][https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb][https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions][https://twitter.com/ICSIL] Midwest Internet Exchange[http://www.midwest-ix.com/] [https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix][https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange][https://twitter.com/mdwestix] The Brothers WISP[http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/] [https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp][https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg] From: fiber...@mail.com To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 12:09:30 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out People keep talking about ROS v7 like it's a thing that actually exists... :) Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 From: "Mike Hammett" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out That's only until v7, when it'll run native. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/[http://www.ics-il.com/]] [https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL]][https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb]][https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions]][https://twitter.com/ICSIL[https://twitter.com/ICSIL]] Midwest Internet Exchange[http://www.midwest-ix.com/[http://www.midwest-ix.com/]] [https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix[https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix]][https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange[https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange]][https://twitter.com/mdwestix[https://twitter.com/mdwestix]] The Brothers WISP[http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/[http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/]] [https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp[https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp]][https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg[https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg]] From: fiber...@mail.com To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 5:16:55 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Sometimes I wonder about the business practices of Mikrotik... > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 > From: "Dennis Burgess via AF" > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > Cc: "Dennis Burgess" > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > It runs 32 bit in emulation is what I heard. i.e. worse performance than > native 32bit.. > > > > Dennis Burgess > > Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, > Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, > Enterprise Wireless Engineer > Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level > Cambium: ePMP > > Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: > http://www.linktechs.net[http://www.linktechs.net][http://www.linktechs.net[http://www.linktechs.net]] > Create Wireless Coverage’s with > www.towercoverage.com[http://www.towercoverage.com][http://www.towercoverage.com[http://www.towercoverage.com]] > > -Original Message- > From: AF On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:13 AM > To: af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > Well, I did expect it to match the RB4011, or even best it a bit. Alas, it > was not to be. Disappointing... > > Jared > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 > > From: "Dennis Burgess via AF" > > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > > Cc: "Dennis Burgess" > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > > > I would not expect it to be "AWSOME" till v7 > > > > > > > > Dennis Burgess > > > > Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless > > Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, > > Security Engineer, Enterprise Wireless Engineer Hurricane Electric: > > IPv6 Sage Level > > Cambium: ePMP > > > > Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" > > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Suppo
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
https://mikrotik.com/download - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: fiber...@mail.com To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 12:09:30 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out People keep talking about ROS v7 like it's a thing that actually exists... :) Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 From: "Mike Hammett" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out That's only until v7, when it'll run native. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/] [https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL][https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb][https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions][https://twitter.com/ICSIL] Midwest Internet Exchange[http://www.midwest-ix.com/] [https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix][https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange][https://twitter.com/mdwestix] The Brothers WISP[http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/] [https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp][https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg] From: fiber...@mail.com To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 5:16:55 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Sometimes I wonder about the business practices of Mikrotik... > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 > From: "Dennis Burgess via AF" > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > Cc: "Dennis Burgess" > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > It runs 32 bit in emulation is what I heard. i.e. worse performance than > native 32bit.. > > > > Dennis Burgess > > Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, > Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, > Enterprise Wireless Engineer > Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level > Cambium: ePMP > > Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: > http://www.linktechs.net[http://www.linktechs.net] > Create Wireless Coverage’s with > www.towercoverage.com[http://www.towercoverage.com] > > -----Original Message- > From: AF On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:13 AM > To: af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > Well, I did expect it to match the RB4011, or even best it a bit. Alas, it > was not to be. Disappointing... > > Jared > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 > > From: "Dennis Burgess via AF" > > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > > Cc: "Dennis Burgess" > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > > > I would not expect it to be "AWSOME" till v7 > > > > > > > > Dennis Burgess > > > > Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless > > Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, > > Security Engineer, Enterprise Wireless Engineer Hurricane Electric: > > IPv6 Sage Level > > Cambium: ePMP > > > > Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" > > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: > > http://www.linktechs.net[http://www.linktechs.net] Create > > Wireless Coverage's with > > www.towercoverage.com[http://www.towercoverage.com] > > > > -Original Message- > > From: AF On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com > > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 11:51 PM > > To: af@af.afmug.com > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > > > Surprisingly bad BGP results from the CCR2004 > > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=161044[https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=161044] > > > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com[http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com] > > > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com[http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com] > > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com[http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com] > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com[http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com] > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com[http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com]-- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com[http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com] -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
I ran some x86 mikrotik boxes in the past and the nics were indeed the issue we had. Which brand name fiber cards (sfp+ and higher) would you recommend that is 100% compatible with Mikrotik? Also running CHR in Vsphere also is an option. Anyone comment on that sort of performance? -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) From: "af" To: "af" Cc: "Dennis Burgess" Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 3:08:32 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out We have some PR2200s still in stock, dual 4 core Xeons. Not exactly I7s though. Honestly any decent server should work as long as it has good NICs in it. .. Dennis Burgess Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, Enterprise Wireless Engineer Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level Cambium: ePMP Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office : 314-735-0270 Website: [ http://www.linktechs.net/ | http://www.linktechs.net ] Create Wireless Coverage’s with [ https://mail.wavedirect.org/www.towercoverage.com | www.towercoverage.com ] From: AF On Behalf Of James Howard Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:55 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Not looking to switch from Mikrotik. Just wanted to know if there are any preconfigured i7 or better boxes that anybody’s selling right now. From: AF [ [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com | mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] ] On Behalf Of [ mailto:fiber...@mail.com | fiber...@mail.com ] Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:41 AM To: [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out The Juniper MX204 is awesome and available now, but it'll set you back at least ten grand... Here's a list of software routers you can try out: * VyOS - free, version 1.3 will support XDP with both software and hardware offload [ https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=https%3a%2f%2fwww.danosproject.org&umid=2CCFDEBF-A575-7F05-908C-03E304C9E10D&auth=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-1f675966b1244d6dbea145adbce4f693f5a13320 | https://www.vyos.io/ ] * DANOS - free, load it on a white box switch to see some serious Mpps [ https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=https%3a%2f%2fwww.danosproject.org&umid=2CCFDEBF-A575-7F05-908C-03E304C9E10D&auth=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-1f675966b1244d6dbea145adbce4f693f5a13320 | https://www.danosproject.org/ ] * FRR+VPP - free [ https://github.com/FRRouting/frr/wiki/Alternate-forwarding-planes:-VPP | https://github.com/FRRouting/frr/wiki/Alternate-forwarding-planes:-VPP ] * TNSR - $400(?)/year for 10G license [ https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=https%3a%2f%2fwww.tnsr.com&umid=2CCFDEBF-A575-7F05-908C-03E304C9E10D&auth=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-4e46a7a9d0e82d4f31d55e3745a5ace78d242077 | https://www.tnsr.com/ ] * 6wind - ~3k$ for 10G license + 15% yearly [ https://www.6wind.com/vrouter-solutions/6wind-turbo-router/ | https://www.6wind.com/vrouter-solutions/6wind-turbo-router/ ] * Juniper vMX - ̃4k$ for perpetual 10G license with 2 million routes [ https://www.juniper.net/us/en/products-services/routing/mx-series/vmx/ | https://www.juniper.net/us/en/products-services/routing/mx-series/vmx/ ] * TheRouter - the Russian alternative :) [ https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=https%3a%2f%2ftherouter.net&umid=2CCFDEBF-A575-7F05-908C-03E304C9E10D&auth=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-2f374aea5294d27435634fca9a02d61a97e9f714 | https://therouter.net/ ] Jared Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 From: "James Howard" < [ mailto:ja...@litewire.net | ja...@litewire.net ] > To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out So what is awesome and available now? We had an i7 box (network appliance I guess) running Mikrotik take a dump so we need to get another backup (or two). Nobody seems to have i7 based Mikrotik boxes available. BGP is a must. We’re running CHR on our current boxes. From: AF [ [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com | mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] ] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess via AF Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 9:51 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] > Cc: Dennis Burgess < [ mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net | dmburg...@linktechs.net ] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out I would not expect it to be "AWSOME" till v
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V7? Isn't that a fairy tale? :) -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) From: "af" To: "af" Cc: "Dennis Burgess" Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:51:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out I would not expect it to be "AWSOME" till v7 Dennis Burgess Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, Enterprise Wireless Engineer Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level Cambium: ePMP Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 11:51 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Surprisingly bad BGP results from the CCR2004 https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=161044 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
Interesting and great thread. Thanks for the info. Makes me wonder why these 4011's are so good. I wonder how the 1072 compares. -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) From: fiber...@mail.com To: "af" Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 12:50:56 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Surprisingly bad BGP results from the CCR2004 https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=161044 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
People keep talking about ROS v7 like it's a thing that actually exists... :) Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 From: "Mike Hammett" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out That's only until v7, when it'll run native. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/] [https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL][https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb][https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions][https://twitter.com/ICSIL] Midwest Internet Exchange[http://www.midwest-ix.com/] [https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix][https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange][https://twitter.com/mdwestix] The Brothers WISP[http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/] [https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp][https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg] From: fiber...@mail.com To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 5:16:55 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Sometimes I wonder about the business practices of Mikrotik... > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 > From: "Dennis Burgess via AF" > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > Cc: "Dennis Burgess" > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > It runs 32 bit in emulation is what I heard. i.e. worse performance than > native 32bit.. > > > > Dennis Burgess > > Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, > Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, > Enterprise Wireless Engineer > Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level > Cambium: ePMP > > Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: > http://www.linktechs.net[http://www.linktechs.net] > Create Wireless Coverage’s with > www.towercoverage.com[http://www.towercoverage.com] > > -Original Message- > From: AF On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:13 AM > To: af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > Well, I did expect it to match the RB4011, or even best it a bit. Alas, it > was not to be. Disappointing... > > Jared > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 > > From: "Dennis Burgess via AF" > > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > > Cc: "Dennis Burgess" > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > > > I would not expect it to be "AWSOME" till v7 > > > > > > > > Dennis Burgess > > > > Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless > > Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, > > Security Engineer, Enterprise Wireless Engineer Hurricane Electric: > > IPv6 Sage Level > > Cambium: ePMP > > > > Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" > > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: > > http://www.linktechs.net[http://www.linktechs.net] Create > > Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com[http://www.towercoverage.com] > > > > -Original Message- > > From: AF On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com > > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 11:51 PM > > To: af@af.afmug.com > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > > > Surprisingly bad BGP results from the CCR2004 > > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=161044[https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=161044] > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com[http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com] > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com[http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com] > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com[http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com] > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com[http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com] > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com[http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com]-- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com[http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com] -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
That's only until v7, when it'll run native. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: fiber...@mail.com To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 5:16:55 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Sometimes I wonder about the business practices of Mikrotik... > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 > From: "Dennis Burgess via AF" > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > Cc: "Dennis Burgess" > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > It runs 32 bit in emulation is what I heard. i.e. worse performance than > native 32bit.. > > > > Dennis Burgess > > Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, > Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, > Enterprise Wireless Engineer > Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level > Cambium: ePMP > > Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com > > -Original Message- > From: AF On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:13 AM > To: af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > Well, I did expect it to match the RB4011, or even best it a bit. Alas, it > was not to be. Disappointing... > > Jared > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 > > From: "Dennis Burgess via AF" > > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > > Cc: "Dennis Burgess" > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > > > I would not expect it to be "AWSOME" till v7 > > > > > > > > Dennis Burgess > > > > Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless > > Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, > > Security Engineer, Enterprise Wireless Engineer Hurricane Electric: > > IPv6 Sage Level > > Cambium: ePMP > > > > Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" > > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net Create > > Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com > > > > -Original Message- > > From: AF On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com > > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 11:51 PM > > To: af@af.afmug.com > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > > > Surprisingly bad BGP results from the CCR2004 > > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=161044 > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
Sometimes I wonder about the business practices of Mikrotik... > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 > From: "Dennis Burgess via AF" > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > Cc: "Dennis Burgess" > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > It runs 32 bit in emulation is what I heard. i.e. worse performance than > native 32bit.. > > > > Dennis Burgess > > Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, > Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, > Enterprise Wireless Engineer > Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level > Cambium: ePMP > > Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com > > -Original Message- > From: AF On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:13 AM > To: af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > Well, I did expect it to match the RB4011, or even best it a bit. Alas, it > was not to be. Disappointing... > > Jared > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 > > From: "Dennis Burgess via AF" > > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > > Cc: "Dennis Burgess" > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > > > I would not expect it to be "AWSOME" till v7 > > > > > > > > Dennis Burgess > > > > Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless > > Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, > > Security Engineer, Enterprise Wireless Engineer Hurricane Electric: > > IPv6 Sage Level > > Cambium: ePMP > > > > Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" > > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net Create > > Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com > > > > -Original Message- > > From: AF On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com > > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 11:51 PM > > To: af@af.afmug.com > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > > > Surprisingly bad BGP results from the CCR2004 > > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=161044 > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
It runs 32 bit in emulation is what I heard. i.e. worse performance than native 32bit.. Dennis Burgess Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, Enterprise Wireless Engineer Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level Cambium: ePMP Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:13 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Well, I did expect it to match the RB4011, or even best it a bit. Alas, it was not to be. Disappointing... Jared > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 > From: "Dennis Burgess via AF" > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > Cc: "Dennis Burgess" > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > I would not expect it to be "AWSOME" till v7 > > > > Dennis Burgess > > Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless > Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, > Security Engineer, Enterprise Wireless Engineer Hurricane Electric: > IPv6 Sage Level > Cambium: ePMP > > Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net Create > Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com > > -Original Message- > From: AF On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 11:51 PM > To: af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > Surprisingly bad BGP results from the CCR2004 > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=161044 > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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We have some PR2200s still in stock, dual 4 core Xeons. Not exactly I7s though. Honestly any decent server should work as long as it has good NICs in it. .. [LTI-Full_175px] Dennis Burgess Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, Enterprise Wireless Engineer Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level Cambium: ePMP Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net/> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com From: AF On Behalf Of James Howard Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:55 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Not looking to switch from Mikrotik. Just wanted to know if there are any preconfigured i7 or better boxes that anybody’s selling right now. From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com<mailto:fiber...@mail.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:41 AM To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out The Juniper MX204 is awesome and available now, but it'll set you back at least ten grand... Here's a list of software routers you can try out: * VyOS - free, version 1.3 will support XDP with both software and hardware offload https://www.vyos.io/<https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=https%3a%2f%2fwww.danosproject.org&umid=2CCFDEBF-A575-7F05-908C-03E304C9E10D&auth=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-1f675966b1244d6dbea145adbce4f693f5a13320> * DANOS - free, load it on a white box switch to see some serious Mpps https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=https%3a%2f%2fwww.danosproject.org&umid=FBD91069-A57A-9D05-B2B7-DB316D063F53&auth=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-54028fedd3de2904d007150971cc30835c1d74c7<https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=https%3a%2f%2fwww.danosproject.org&umid=2CCFDEBF-A575-7F05-908C-03E304C9E10D&auth=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-1f675966b1244d6dbea145adbce4f693f5a13320> * FRR+VPP - free https://github.com/FRRouting/frr/wiki/Alternate-forwarding-planes:-VPP * TNSR - $400(?)/year for 10G license https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=https%3a%2f%2fwww.tnsr.com&umid=FBD91069-A57A-9D05-B2B7-DB316D063F53&auth=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-50d39b5d17d74da73864bbfc3794d6163e8dc3c7<https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=https%3a%2f%2fwww.tnsr.com&umid=2CCFDEBF-A575-7F05-908C-03E304C9E10D&auth=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-4e46a7a9d0e82d4f31d55e3745a5ace78d242077> * 6wind - ~3k$ for 10G license + 15% yearly https://www.6wind.com/vrouter-solutions/6wind-turbo-router/ * Juniper vMX - ̃4k$ for perpetual 10G license with 2 million routes https://www.juniper.net/us/en/products-services/routing/mx-series/vmx/ * TheRouter - the Russian alternative :) https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=https%3a%2f%2ftherouter.net&umid=FBD91069-A57A-9D05-B2B7-DB316D063F53&auth=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-486987e3788be6be7abcd837f035361d7f6af972<https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=https%3a%2f%2ftherouter.net&umid=2CCFDEBF-A575-7F05-908C-03E304C9E10D&auth=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-2f374aea5294d27435634fca9a02d61a97e9f714> Jared Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 From: "James Howard" mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out So what is awesome and available now? We had an i7 box (network appliance I guess) running Mikrotik take a dump so we need to get another backup (or two). Nobody seems to have i7 based Mikrotik boxes available. BGP is a must. We’re running CHR on our current boxes. From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess via AF Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 9:51 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Cc: Dennis Burgess mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out I would not expect it to be "AWSOME" till v7 Dennis Burgess Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, Enterprise Wireless Engineer Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level Cambium: ePMP Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercovera
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
I will second the Baltic Networks Vengence 2 CHR. Has been nothing but totally reliable since we got one in January. Only pushing about 1.5gbps through it though, but BGP converge times are insanely fast and it was darn near the same cost as a CCR1072. On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 12:25 PM James Howard wrote: > Yeah, there seems to be is the key…… I did that with the last one and had > some compatibility issues with the SFP+ cards and didn’t really end up > saving any money over buying one already put together. > > > > *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 11:13 AM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > > > I'd imagine you can source a pretty burly network appliance PC from > somewhere. There seem to be dozens of options. > > > > On 5/12/2020 11:57 AM, James Howard wrote: > > Baltic says they aren’t sure when they’re going to get the Maxxwave in > again. We have one of the Maxxwave i7s and would just get more if they > were available. I was hoping Dennis would reply. They don’t seem to list > the PowerRouter that they used to sell on their site anymore. > > > > *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:45 AM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > > > Baltic/Maxxwave has one, but their web store shows out of stock, is it > actually discontinued? Linktechs might have one, if you don’t want to > build your own. > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *James Howard > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:17 AM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > > > So what is awesome and available now? We had an i7 box (network appliance > I guess) running Mikrotik take a dump so we need to get another backup (or > two). Nobody seems to have i7 based Mikrotik boxes available. BGP is a > must. We’re running CHR on our current boxes. > > > > *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Dennis Burgess via AF > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 9:51 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Cc:* Dennis Burgess > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > > > I would not expect it to be "AWSOME" till v7 > > > > Dennis Burgess > > Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless > Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security > Engineer, Enterprise Wireless Engineer > Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level > Cambium: ePMP > > Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com > > -Original Message- > From: AF On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 11:51 PM > To: af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > Surprisingly bad BGP results from the CCR2004 > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=161044 > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > > *Total Control Panel* > > Login <https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net> > > To: ja...@litewire.net > <https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993&domain=litewire.net> > > From: af-boun...@af.afmug.com > > *You received this message because the domain afmug.com <http://afmug.com> > is on your allow list.* > > > -- > > *Total Control Panel* > > Login <https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net> > > To: ja...@litewire.net > <https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993&domain=litewire.net> > > From: af-boun...@af.afmug.com > > *You received this message because the domain afmug.com <http://afmug.com> > is on your allow list.* > > > > > > -- > > *Total Control Panel* > > Login <https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net> > > To: ja...@litewire.net > <https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993&domain=litewire.net> > > From: af-boun...@af.afmug.com > > *You received this message because the domain afmug.com <http://afmug.com> > is on your allow list.* > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
Yeah, there seems to be is the key…… I did that with the last one and had some compatibility issues with the SFP+ cards and didn’t really end up saving any money over buying one already put together. From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 11:13 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out I'd imagine you can source a pretty burly network appliance PC from somewhere. There seem to be dozens of options. On 5/12/2020 11:57 AM, James Howard wrote: Baltic says they aren’t sure when they’re going to get the Maxxwave in again. We have one of the Maxxwave i7s and would just get more if they were available. I was hoping Dennis would reply. They don’t seem to list the PowerRouter that they used to sell on their site anymore. From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:45 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Baltic/Maxxwave has one, but their web store shows out of stock, is it actually discontinued? Linktechs might have one, if you don’t want to build your own. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of James Howard Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:17 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out So what is awesome and available now? We had an i7 box (network appliance I guess) running Mikrotik take a dump so we need to get another backup (or two). Nobody seems to have i7 based Mikrotik boxes available. BGP is a must. We’re running CHR on our current boxes. From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess via AF Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 9:51 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Cc: Dennis Burgess mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out I would not expect it to be "AWSOME" till v7 Dennis Burgess Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, Enterprise Wireless Engineer Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level Cambium: ePMP Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com<http://www.towercoverage.com> -Original Message- From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com%3e> On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com<mailto:fiber...@mail.com> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 11:51 PM To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Surprisingly bad BGP results from the CCR2004 https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=161044 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com Total Control Panel Login<https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net> To: ja...@litewire.net<https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993&domain=litewire.net> From: af-boun...@af.afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> You received this message because the domain afmug.com is on your allow list. Total Control Panel Login<https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net> To: ja...@litewire.net<https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993&domain=litewire.net> From: af-boun...@af.afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> You received this message because the domain afmug.com is on your allow list. Total Control Panel Login<https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net> To: ja...@litewire.net<https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993&domain=litewire.net> From: af-boun...@af.afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> You received this message because the domain afmug.com is on your allow list. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
Well, there are a lot of "supply chain" issues now. Some things are weeks out, others arrive next day, it's a mixed bag. From: AF On Behalf Of James Howard Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:57 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Baltic says they aren't sure when they're going to get the Maxxwave in again. We have one of the Maxxwave i7s and would just get more if they were available. I was hoping Dennis would reply. They don't seem to list the PowerRouter that they used to sell on their site anymore. From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:45 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Baltic/Maxxwave has one, but their web store shows out of stock, is it actually discontinued? Linktechs might have one, if you don't want to build your own. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of James Howard Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:17 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out So what is awesome and available now? We had an i7 box (network appliance I guess) running Mikrotik take a dump so we need to get another backup (or two). Nobody seems to have i7 based Mikrotik boxes available. BGP is a must. We're running CHR on our current boxes. From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess via AF Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 9:51 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Cc: Dennis Burgess mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out I would not expect it to be "AWSOME" till v7 Dennis Burgess Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, Enterprise Wireless Engineer Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level Cambium: ePMP Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com <http://www.towercoverage.com> -Original Message- From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com%3e> > On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com <mailto:fiber...@mail.com> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 11:51 PM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Surprisingly bad BGP results from the CCR2004 https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3 <https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=161044> &t=161044 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com _ Total Control Panel <https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net> Login To: <https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993&domain=litewire. net> ja...@litewire.net From: <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> af-boun...@af.afmug.com You received this message because the domain afmug.com is on your allow list. _ Total Control Panel Login <https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net> To: ja...@litewire.net <https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993&domain=litewire. net> From: af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> You received this message because the domain afmug.com is on your allow list. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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We built our own using Lanner i7 appliances loaded with Intel X710's. On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 11:58 AM James Howard wrote: > Baltic says they aren’t sure when they’re going to get the Maxxwave in > again. We have one of the Maxxwave i7s and would just get more if they > were available. I was hoping Dennis would reply. They don’t seem to list > the PowerRouter that they used to sell on their site anymore. > > > > *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:45 AM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > > > Baltic/Maxxwave has one, but their web store shows out of stock, is it > actually discontinued? Linktechs might have one, if you don’t want to > build your own. > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *James Howard > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:17 AM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > > > So what is awesome and available now? We had an i7 box (network appliance > I guess) running Mikrotik take a dump so we need to get another backup (or > two). Nobody seems to have i7 based Mikrotik boxes available. BGP is a > must. We’re running CHR on our current boxes. > > > > *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Dennis Burgess via AF > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 9:51 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Cc:* Dennis Burgess > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > > > I would not expect it to be "AWSOME" till v7 > > > > Dennis Burgess > > Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless > Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security > Engineer, Enterprise Wireless Engineer > Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level > Cambium: ePMP > > Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com > > -Original Message- > From: AF On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 11:51 PM > To: af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > Surprisingly bad BGP results from the CCR2004 > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=161044 > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > > *Total Control Panel* > > Login <https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net> > > To: ja...@litewire.net > <https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993&domain=litewire.net> > > From: af-boun...@af.afmug.com > > *You received this message because the domain afmug.com <http://afmug.com> > is on your allow list.* > > > -- > > *Total Control Panel* > > Login <https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net> > > To: ja...@litewire.net > <https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993&domain=litewire.net> > > From: af-boun...@af.afmug.com > > *You received this message because the domain afmug.com <http://afmug.com> > is on your allow list.* > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
I'd imagine you can source a pretty burly network appliance PC from somewhere. There seem to be dozens of options. On 5/12/2020 11:57 AM, James Howard wrote: Baltic says they aren’t sure when they’re going to get the Maxxwave in again. We have one of the Maxxwave i7s and would just get more if they were available. I was hoping Dennis would reply. They don’t seem to list the PowerRouter that they used to sell on their site anymore. *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:45 AM *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Baltic/Maxxwave has one, but their web store shows out of stock, is it actually discontinued? Linktechs might have one, if you don’t want to build your own. *From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *James Howard *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:17 AM *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out So what is awesome and available now? We had an i7 box (network appliance I guess) running Mikrotik take a dump so we need to get another backup (or two). Nobody seems to have i7 based Mikrotik boxes available. BGP is a must. We’re running CHR on our current boxes. *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis Burgess via AF *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 9:51 AM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> *Cc:* Dennis Burgess <mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out I would not expect it to be "AWSOME" till v7 Dennis Burgess Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, Enterprise Wireless Engineer Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level Cambium: ePMP Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com <http://www.towercoverage.com> -Original Message- From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com%3e> On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com <mailto:fiber...@mail.com> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 11:51 PM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Surprisingly bad BGP results from the CCR2004 https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=161044 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com *Total Control Panel* Login <https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net> To: ja...@litewire.net <https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993&domain=litewire.net> From: af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> /You received this message because the domain afmug.com is on your allow list./ *Total Control Panel* Login <https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net> To: ja...@litewire.net <https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993&domain=litewire.net> From: af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> /You received this message because the domain afmug.com is on your allow list./ -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
Baltic says they aren't sure when they're going to get the Maxxwave in again. We have one of the Maxxwave i7s and would just get more if they were available. I was hoping Dennis would reply. They don't seem to list the PowerRouter that they used to sell on their site anymore. From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:45 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Baltic/Maxxwave has one, but their web store shows out of stock, is it actually discontinued? Linktechs might have one, if you don't want to build your own. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of James Howard Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:17 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out So what is awesome and available now? We had an i7 box (network appliance I guess) running Mikrotik take a dump so we need to get another backup (or two). Nobody seems to have i7 based Mikrotik boxes available. BGP is a must. We're running CHR on our current boxes. From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess via AF Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 9:51 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Cc: Dennis Burgess mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out I would not expect it to be "AWSOME" till v7 Dennis Burgess Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, Enterprise Wireless Engineer Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level Cambium: ePMP Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com<http://www.towercoverage.com> -Original Message- From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com%3e> On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com<mailto:fiber...@mail.com> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 11:51 PM To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Surprisingly bad BGP results from the CCR2004 https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=161044 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com Total Control Panel Login<https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net> To: ja...@litewire.net<https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993&domain=litewire.net> From: af-boun...@af.afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> You received this message because the domain afmug.com is on your allow list. Total Control Panel Login<https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net> To: ja...@litewire.net<https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993&domain=litewire.net> From: af-boun...@af.afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> You received this message because the domain afmug.com is on your allow list. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
Not looking to switch from Mikrotik. Just wanted to know if there are any preconfigured i7 or better boxes that anybody’s selling right now. From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:41 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out The Juniper MX204 is awesome and available now, but it'll set you back at least ten grand... Here's a list of software routers you can try out: · VyOS - free, version 1.3 will support XDP with both software and hardware offload https://www.vyos.io/<https://www.danosproject.org/> · DANOS - free, load it on a white box switch to see some serious Mpps https://www.danosproject.org/ · FRR+VPP - free https://github.com/FRRouting/frr/wiki/Alternate-forwarding-planes:-VPP · TNSR - $400(?)/year for 10G license https://www.tnsr.com/ · 6wind - ~3k$ for 10G license + 15% yearly https://www.6wind.com/vrouter-solutions/6wind-turbo-router/ · Juniper vMX - ̃4k$ for perpetual 10G license with 2 million routes https://www.juniper.net/us/en/products-services/routing/mx-series/vmx/ · TheRouter - the Russian alternative :) https://therouter.net/ Jared Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 From: "James Howard" mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out So what is awesome and available now? We had an i7 box (network appliance I guess) running Mikrotik take a dump so we need to get another backup (or two). Nobody seems to have i7 based Mikrotik boxes available. BGP is a must. We’re running CHR on our current boxes. From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess via AF Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 9:51 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Cc: Dennis Burgess mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out I would not expect it to be "AWSOME" till v7 Dennis Burgess Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, Enterprise Wireless Engineer Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level Cambium: ePMP Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com<http://www.towercoverage.com> -Original Message- From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com%3e> On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com<mailto:fiber...@mail.com> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 11:51 PM To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Surprisingly bad BGP results from the CCR2004 https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=161044 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com Total Control Panel Login<https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net> To: ja...@litewire.net<https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993&domain=litewire.net> From: af-boun...@af.afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> You received this message because the domain afmug.com is on your allow list. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com Total Control Panel Login<https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net> To: ja...@litewire.net<https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993&domain=litewire.net> From: af-boun...@af.afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> You received this message because the domain afmug.com is on your allow list. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
Baltic/Maxxwave has one, but their web store shows out of stock, is it actually discontinued? Linktechs might have one, if you don't want to build your own. From: AF On Behalf Of James Howard Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:17 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out So what is awesome and available now? We had an i7 box (network appliance I guess) running Mikrotik take a dump so we need to get another backup (or two). Nobody seems to have i7 based Mikrotik boxes available. BGP is a must. We're running CHR on our current boxes. From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess via AF Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 9:51 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Cc: Dennis Burgess mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out I would not expect it to be "AWSOME" till v7 Dennis Burgess Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, Enterprise Wireless Engineer Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level Cambium: ePMP Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com <http://www.towercoverage.com> -Original Message- From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com%3e> > On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com <mailto:fiber...@mail.com> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 11:51 PM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Surprisingly bad BGP results from the CCR2004 https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3 <https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=161044> &t=161044 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com _ Total Control Panel <https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net> Login To: <https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993&domain=litewire. net> ja...@litewire.net From: <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> af-boun...@af.afmug.com You received this message because the domain afmug.com is on your allow list. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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The Juniper MX204 is awesome and available now, but it'll set you back at least ten grand... Here's a list of software routers you can try out: VyOS - free, version 1.3 will support XDP with both software and hardware offload https://www.vyos.io/ DANOS - free, load it on a white box switch to see some serious Mpps https://www.danosproject.org/ FRR+VPP - free https://github.com/FRRouting/frr/wiki/Alternate-forwarding-planes:-VPP TNSR - $400(?)/year for 10G license https://www.tnsr.com/ 6wind - ~3k$ for 10G license + 15% yearly https://www.6wind.com/vrouter-solutions/6wind-turbo-router/ Juniper vMX - ̃4k$ for perpetual 10G license with 2 million routes https://www.juniper.net/us/en/products-services/routing/mx-series/vmx/ TheRouter - the Russian alternative :) https://therouter.net/ Jared Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 From: "James Howard" To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out So what is awesome and available now? We had an i7 box (network appliance I guess) running Mikrotik take a dump so we need to get another backup (or two). Nobody seems to have i7 based Mikrotik boxes available. BGP is a must. We’re running CHR on our current boxes. From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess via AF Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 9:51 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Dennis Burgess Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out I would not expect it to be "AWSOME" till v7 Dennis Burgess Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, Enterprise Wireless Engineer Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level Cambium: ePMP Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com -Original Message- From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 11:51 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Surprisingly bad BGP results from the CCR2004 https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=161044 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com Total Control Panel Login To: ja...@litewire.net From: af-boun...@af.afmug.com You received this message because the domain afmug.com is on your allow list. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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I've always been a fan of just loading it on some used server. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "James Howard" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:16:50 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out So what is awesome and available now? We had an i7 box (network appliance I guess) running Mikrotik take a dump so we need to get another backup (or two). Nobody seems to have i7 based Mikrotik boxes available. BGP is a must. We’re running CHR on our current boxes. From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess via AF Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 9:51 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Dennis Burgess Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out I would not expect it to be "AWSOME" till v7 Dennis Burgess Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, Enterprise Wireless Engineer Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level Cambium: ePMP Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com -Original Message- From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 11:51 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Surprisingly bad BGP results from the CCR2004 https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=161044 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com Total Control Panel Login To: ja...@litewire.net From: af-boun...@af.afmug.com You received this message because the domain afmug.com is on your allow list. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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So what is awesome and available now? We had an i7 box (network appliance I guess) running Mikrotik take a dump so we need to get another backup (or two). Nobody seems to have i7 based Mikrotik boxes available. BGP is a must. We're running CHR on our current boxes. From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess via AF Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 9:51 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Dennis Burgess Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out I would not expect it to be "AWSOME" till v7 Dennis Burgess Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, Enterprise Wireless Engineer Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level Cambium: ePMP Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com<http://www.towercoverage.com> -Original Message- From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com%3e> On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com<mailto:fiber...@mail.com> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 11:51 PM To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Surprisingly bad BGP results from the CCR2004 https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=161044 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com Total Control Panel Login<https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net> To: ja...@litewire.net<https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993&domain=litewire.net> From: af-boun...@af.afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> You received this message because the domain afmug.com is on your allow list. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Well, I did expect it to match the RB4011, or even best it a bit. Alas, it was not to be. Disappointing... Jared > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 > From: "Dennis Burgess via AF" > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > Cc: "Dennis Burgess" > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > I would not expect it to be "AWSOME" till v7 > > > > Dennis Burgess > > Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, > Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, > Enterprise Wireless Engineer > Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level > Cambium: ePMP > > Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com > > -Original Message- > From: AF On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 11:51 PM > To: af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > Surprisingly bad BGP results from the CCR2004 > https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=161044 > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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I would not expect it to be "AWSOME" till v7 Dennis Burgess Mikrotik : Trainer, Network Associate, Routing Engineer, Wireless Engineer, Traffic Control Engineer, Inter-Networking Engineer, Security Engineer, Enterprise Wireless Engineer Hurricane Electric: IPv6 Sage Level Cambium: ePMP Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 11:51 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Surprisingly bad BGP results from the CCR2004 https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=161044 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Surprisingly bad BGP results from the CCR2004 https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=161044 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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There's rumored to be a CCR with 12x 25G and 2x100G interfaces on the way. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Steven Kenney" To: "af" Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 7:47:46 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out All very interesting points from everyone. I guess my point overall would be Mikrotik really needs to make routers with higher than 25G uplinks. People like different flavors of ice cream. The standard going forward from here will sort itself out in the next year or so. Steve is right though .. s don't let people know we are starting to do some serious traffic. -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) - Original Message - From: "Steve Jones" To: "af" Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 12:23:51 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out You guys all need to calm the heck down with this talk, you're gonna get us all killed. Look at what the lunatics are doing to the 5g operators. When they find out afmug is over here operating 25 40 and 100g networks, theyll send out armys of Karen's with the short hair to put our heads on pikes. We have worked too hard over the years building this industry up for us to all be skinned alive when Janet or Kyle find the afmug archive. On Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 8:04 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: I agree if it's a transport system or a modern switch. If it's an older switch, 40G is all it's got, no 25G and no 100G. Who buys new switches when a switch is a switch and there's a large supply of older switches? Yes, obviously there's a demand, but it's not going to be most of us in this room. When I have actually gotten quotes for 40G transport, they were more than 4x 10G and about the same as 100G (though I had no 100G equipment). In those scenarios, a 25G wave would actually do great. Well, other than needing new switches which aren't cheap. In one facility in Indy, we offer 1G, 10G, 25G, 40G, and 100G. :-) We're rolling out 40G in another, but the rest will stay 10G for the time being. I suppose we could always put a 25G customer on, just bypassing the switch in that building and going right into the mux to the central switch. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Trey Scarborough" < t...@3dsc.co > To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 5:34:16 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out you are only comparing SFP transceiver cost. The reason why it is dead is transport equipment and switch equipment you pretty much are burning a 100G port to do 40g there are some 100G 2x40 transponders out there but they are the same cost as a 200G 2x100G transponder so if you go to order a 40G wave service it will cost you the same as a 100G maybe more if they have to use an OTU4 to 40GLANPHY card. As well most switches being deployed by providers are 100G/25G/10G and don't have 40G ports. so you hae to burn a 100G port to provide 40G therefor the cost is priced accordingly. Is it dead in the data center space for the most part to because the power requirements vs speed is horrible uses almost as much power as a 100G and only get 40% of the bandwidth. The power for a 25G is comparable to 10G. Starting to see 25G IX connection options as well. Don't worry you are going to start seeing a bunch more 25G options coming out because the demand is growing. There are already companies starting to sell 25G channelized DWDM optics. The price at the moment is high because they are new and the demand is low, but will greatly reduce the cost the more that the utilization grows. On 4/24/2020 10:07 AM, Steven Kenney wrote: That is up for debate but we'll see in a few years. I'd rather jump to 40 than 25. You almost defeated your own point stating you have a lot of 40G laying around. Price has come down on them and transceivers are not as expensive either. Personally I'd rather jump to 100 :) 40G transceivers I can get for most models for $55. (short range) Same price for 25G! Why bother with 25? Short range 100G are under $200 each. -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) From: "Kurt Fankhauser" To: "af" Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:03:36 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Dennis,how many of these do you have on order? On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 9:42 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 25G will be far more common than 40G. 40G is dead and has been dead for years. I wish that wasn't so becau
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All very interesting points from everyone. I guess my point overall would be Mikrotik really needs to make routers with higher than 25G uplinks. People like different flavors of ice cream. The standard going forward from here will sort itself out in the next year or so. Steve is right though .. s don't let people know we are starting to do some serious traffic. -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) From: "Steve Jones" To: "af" Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 12:23:51 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out You guys all need to calm the heck down with this talk, you're gonna get us all killed. Look at what the lunatics are doing to the 5g operators. When they find out afmug is over here operating 25 40 and 100g networks, theyll send out armys of Karen's with the short hair to put our heads on pikes. We have worked too hard over the years building this industry up for us to all be skinned alive when Janet or Kyle find the afmug archive. On Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 8:04 AM Mike Hammett < [ mailto:af...@ics-il.net | af...@ics-il.net ] > wrote: I agree if it's a transport system or a modern switch. If it's an older switch, 40G is all it's got, no 25G and no 100G. Who buys new switches when a switch is a switch and there's a large supply of older switches? Yes, obviously there's a demand, but it's not going to be most of us in this room. When I have actually gotten quotes for 40G transport, they were more than 4x 10G and about the same as 100G (though I had no 100G equipment). In those scenarios, a 25G wave would actually do great. Well, other than needing new switches which aren't cheap. In one facility in Indy, we offer 1G, 10G, 25G, 40G, and 100G. :-) We're rolling out 40G in another, but the rest will stay 10G for the time being. I suppose we could always put a 25G customer on, just bypassing the switch in that building and going right into the mux to the central switch. - Mike Hammett [ http://www.ics-il.com/ | Intelligent Computing Solutions ] [ https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL ] [ https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb ] [ https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions ] [ https://twitter.com/ICSIL ] [ http://www.midwest-ix.com/ | Midwest Internet Exchange ] [ https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix ] [ https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange ] [ https://twitter.com/mdwestix ] [ http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ | The Brothers WISP ] [ https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp ] [ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg ] From: "Trey Scarborough" < [ mailto:t...@3dsc.co | t...@3dsc.co ] > To: [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 5:34:16 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out you are only comparing SFP transceiver cost. The reason why it is dead is transport equipment and switch equipment you pretty much are burning a 100G port to do 40g there are some 100G 2x40 transponders out there but they are the same cost as a 200G 2x100G transponder so if you go to order a 40G wave service it will cost you the same as a 100G maybe more if they have to use an OTU4 to 40GLANPHY card. As well most switches being deployed by providers are 100G/25G/10G and don't have 40G ports. so you hae to burn a 100G port to provide 40G therefor the cost is priced accordingly. Is it dead in the data center space for the most part to because the power requirements vs speed is horrible uses almost as much power as a 100G and only get 40% of the bandwidth. The power for a 25G is comparable to 10G. Starting to see 25G IX connection options as well. Don't worry you are going to start seeing a bunch more 25G options coming out because the demand is growing. There are already companies starting to sell 25G channelized DWDM optics. The price at the moment is high because they are new and the demand is low, but will greatly reduce the cost the more that the utilization grows. On 4/24/2020 10:07 AM, Steven Kenney wrote: BQ_BEGIN That is up for debate but we'll see in a few years. I'd rather jump to 40 than 25. You almost defeated your own point stating you have a lot of 40G laying around. Price has come down on them and transceivers are not as expensive either. Personally I'd rather jump to 100 :) 40G transceivers I can get for most models for $55. (short range) Same price for 25G! Why bother with 25? Short range 100G are under $200 each. -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications [ http://www.wavedirect.net/ | http://www.wavedirect.net ] (519)737-WAVE (9283) From: "Kurt Fankhauser" [ mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com | ] To: "af" [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | ] Sent:
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Awesome, I did not know this conversion kit existed. https://www.balticnetworks.com/docs/PW48-12V85W.pdf On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 9:38 AM Josh Baird wrote: > Sweet, thanks. Wonder if this works with CRS317, it does have redundant > PSU as well. > > Sorry for the hi-jack. > > On Apr 26, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > > It can be used on any of the dual power supply 1016s or 1036s... or now > the 2004. > > The 1009 has a different power supply as does the 1072. > > > > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------ > *From: *"Josh Baird" > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > *Sent: *Sunday, April 26, 2020 8:22:23 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > So this can be used on the newer 1036 models? Older ones did not accept > 48VDC. > > On Apr 26, 2020, at 9:03 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > > https://mikrotik.com/product/pw48v_12v85w > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > *From: *"Josh Baird" > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > *Sent: *Sunday, April 26, 2020 7:54:56 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > Actually, the 1016/1036 are 24VDC, not 48VDC. The 1009 is 48VDC. > > On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 7:47 AM Mike Hammett wrote: > >> The CCR 2004 can take the same +- 48 vDC power supply as the current >> generation CCR1016 and CCR1036. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> -- >> *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser" >> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" >> *Sent: *Sunday, April 26, 2020 12:11:28 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >> >> Is the power options for this CCR2004 only AC power? If so that is a >> going to be a huge issue for most of the sites I have that are DC powered! >> I need routers with 10G SFP+ ports that can be powered from DC/AC >> >> On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 12:24 AM Steve Jones >> wrote: >> >>> You guys all need to calm the heck down with this talk, you're gonna get >>> us all killed. Look at what the lunatics are doing to the 5g operators. >>> When they find out afmug is over here operating 25 40 and 100g networks, >>> theyll send out armys of Karen's with the short hair to put our heads on >>> pikes. We have worked too hard over the years building this industry up for >>> us to all be skinned alive when Janet or Kyle find the afmug archive. >>> >>> On Sat, Apr 2
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Sweet, thanks. Wonder if this works with CRS317, it does have redundant PSU as well. Sorry for the hi-jack. > On Apr 26, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > > It can be used on any of the dual power supply 1016s or 1036s... or now the > 2004. > > The 1009 has a different power supply as does the 1072. > > > > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > > From: "Josh Baird" > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 8:22:23 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > So this can be used on the newer 1036 models? Older ones did not accept > 48VDC. > > On Apr 26, 2020, at 9:03 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > > https://mikrotik.com/product/pw48v_12v85w > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > > From: "Josh Baird" > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 7:54:56 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > Actually, the 1016/1036 are 24VDC, not 48VDC. The 1009 is 48VDC. > >> On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 7:47 AM Mike Hammett wrote: >> The CCR 2004 can take the same +- 48 vDC power supply as the current >> generation CCR1016 and CCR1036. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> >> Midwest Internet Exchange >> >> The Brothers WISP >> >> >> >> >> From: "Kurt Fankhauser" >> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" >> Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 12:11:28 AM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >> >> Is the power options for this CCR2004 only AC power? If so that is a going >> to be a huge issue for most of the sites I have that are DC powered! I need >> routers with 10G SFP+ ports that can be powered from DC/AC >> >>> On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 12:24 AM Steve Jones >>> wrote: >>> You guys all need to calm the heck down with this talk, you're gonna get us >>> all killed. Look at what the lunatics are doing to the 5g operators. When >>> they find out afmug is over here operating 25 40 and 100g networks, theyll >>> send out armys of Karen's with the short hair to put our heads on pikes. We >>> have worked too hard over the years building this industry up for us to all >>> be skinned alive when Janet or Kyle find the afmug archive. >>> >>>> On Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 8:04 AM Mike Hammett wrote: >>>> I agree if it's a transport system or a modern switch. If it's an older >>>> switch, 40G is all it's got, no 25G and no 100G. Who buys new switches >>>> when a switch is a switch and there's a large supply of older switches? >>>> Yes, obviously there's a demand, but it's not going to be most of us in >>>> this room. >>>> >>>> When I have actually gotten quotes for 40G transport, they were more than >>>> 4x 10G and about the same as 100G (though I had no 100G equipment). In >>>> those scenarios, a 25G wave would actually do great. Well, other than >>>> needing new switches which aren't cheap. >>>> >>>> >>>> In one facility in Indy, we offer 1G, 10G, 25G, 40G, and 100G. :-) We're >>>> rolling out 40G in another, but the rest will stay 10G for the time being. >>>> I suppose we could always put a 25G customer on, just bypassing the switch >>>> in that building and going right into the mux to the central switch. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>> >>>> The Brothers WISP >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: "Trey Scarborough" >>>> To: af@af.afmug.com >>>> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 5:34:16 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >>>> >>>> you are only comparing SFP transceiver cost. The reason why it is dead is >>>> transport equipment and switch equipment you pretty much are burning a >>>> 100G port to do 40g there are some 100G 2x40 transponders out there but >>>> they are the same cost as a 200G 2x10
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So this can be used on the newer 1036 models? Older ones did not accept 48VDC. > On Apr 26, 2020, at 9:03 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > > https://mikrotik.com/product/pw48v_12v85w > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > > From: "Josh Baird" > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 7:54:56 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > Actually, the 1016/1036 are 24VDC, not 48VDC. The 1009 is 48VDC. > >> On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 7:47 AM Mike Hammett wrote: >> The CCR 2004 can take the same +- 48 vDC power supply as the current >> generation CCR1016 and CCR1036. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> >> Midwest Internet Exchange >> >> The Brothers WISP >> >> >> >> >> From: "Kurt Fankhauser" >> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" >> Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 12:11:28 AM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >> >> Is the power options for this CCR2004 only AC power? If so that is a going >> to be a huge issue for most of the sites I have that are DC powered! I need >> routers with 10G SFP+ ports that can be powered from DC/AC >> >>> On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 12:24 AM Steve Jones >>> wrote: >>> You guys all need to calm the heck down with this talk, you're gonna get us >>> all killed. Look at what the lunatics are doing to the 5g operators. When >>> they find out afmug is over here operating 25 40 and 100g networks, theyll >>> send out armys of Karen's with the short hair to put our heads on pikes. We >>> have worked too hard over the years building this industry up for us to all >>> be skinned alive when Janet or Kyle find the afmug archive. >>> >>>> On Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 8:04 AM Mike Hammett wrote: >>>> I agree if it's a transport system or a modern switch. If it's an older >>>> switch, 40G is all it's got, no 25G and no 100G. Who buys new switches >>>> when a switch is a switch and there's a large supply of older switches? >>>> Yes, obviously there's a demand, but it's not going to be most of us in >>>> this room. >>>> >>>> When I have actually gotten quotes for 40G transport, they were more than >>>> 4x 10G and about the same as 100G (though I had no 100G equipment). In >>>> those scenarios, a 25G wave would actually do great. Well, other than >>>> needing new switches which aren't cheap. >>>> >>>> >>>> In one facility in Indy, we offer 1G, 10G, 25G, 40G, and 100G. :-) We're >>>> rolling out 40G in another, but the rest will stay 10G for the time being. >>>> I suppose we could always put a 25G customer on, just bypassing the switch >>>> in that building and going right into the mux to the central switch. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>> >>>> The Brothers WISP >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: "Trey Scarborough" >>>> To: af@af.afmug.com >>>> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 5:34:16 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >>>> >>>> you are only comparing SFP transceiver cost. The reason why it is dead is >>>> transport equipment and switch equipment you pretty much are burning a >>>> 100G port to do 40g there are some 100G 2x40 transponders out there but >>>> they are the same cost as a 200G 2x100G transponder so if you go to order >>>> a 40G wave service it will cost you the same as a 100G maybe more if they >>>> have to use an OTU4 to 40GLANPHY card. As well most switches being >>>> deployed by providers are 100G/25G/10G and don't have 40G ports. so you >>>> hae to burn a 100G port to provide 40G therefor the cost is priced >>>> accordingly. >>>> >>>> Is it dead in the data center space for the most part to because the power >>>> requirements vs speed is horrible uses almost as much power as a 100G and >>>> only get 40% of the bandwidth. The power for a 25G is comparable to 10G. >>&
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https://mikrotik.com/product/pw48v_12v85w - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Josh Baird" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 7:54:56 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Actually, the 1016/1036 are 24VDC, not 48VDC. The 1009 is 48VDC. On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 7:47 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: The CCR 2004 can take the same +- 48 vDC power supply as the current generation CCR1016 and CCR1036. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Kurt Fankhauser" < lists.wavel...@gmail.com > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 12:11:28 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Is the power options for this CCR2004 only AC power? If so that is a going to be a huge issue for most of the sites I have that are DC powered! I need routers with 10G SFP+ ports that can be powered from DC/AC On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 12:24 AM Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: You guys all need to calm the heck down with this talk, you're gonna get us all killed. Look at what the lunatics are doing to the 5g operators. When they find out afmug is over here operating 25 40 and 100g networks, theyll send out armys of Karen's with the short hair to put our heads on pikes. We have worked too hard over the years building this industry up for us to all be skinned alive when Janet or Kyle find the afmug archive. On Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 8:04 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: I agree if it's a transport system or a modern switch. If it's an older switch, 40G is all it's got, no 25G and no 100G. Who buys new switches when a switch is a switch and there's a large supply of older switches? Yes, obviously there's a demand, but it's not going to be most of us in this room. When I have actually gotten quotes for 40G transport, they were more than 4x 10G and about the same as 100G (though I had no 100G equipment). In those scenarios, a 25G wave would actually do great. Well, other than needing new switches which aren't cheap. In one facility in Indy, we offer 1G, 10G, 25G, 40G, and 100G. :-) We're rolling out 40G in another, but the rest will stay 10G for the time being. I suppose we could always put a 25G customer on, just bypassing the switch in that building and going right into the mux to the central switch. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Trey Scarborough" < t...@3dsc.co > To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 5:34:16 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out you are only comparing SFP transceiver cost. The reason why it is dead is transport equipment and switch equipment you pretty much are burning a 100G port to do 40g there are some 100G 2x40 transponders out there but they are the same cost as a 200G 2x100G transponder so if you go to order a 40G wave service it will cost you the same as a 100G maybe more if they have to use an OTU4 to 40GLANPHY card. As well most switches being deployed by providers are 100G/25G/10G and don't have 40G ports. so you hae to burn a 100G port to provide 40G therefor the cost is priced accordingly. Is it dead in the data center space for the most part to because the power requirements vs speed is horrible uses almost as much power as a 100G and only get 40% of the bandwidth. The power for a 25G is comparable to 10G. Starting to see 25G IX connection options as well. Don't worry you are going to start seeing a bunch more 25G options coming out because the demand is growing. There are already companies starting to sell 25G channelized DWDM optics. The price at the moment is high because they are new and the demand is low, but will greatly reduce the cost the more that the utilization grows. On 4/24/2020 10:07 AM, Steven Kenney wrote: That is up for debate but we'll see in a few years. I'd rather jump to 40 than 25. You almost defeated your own point stating you have a lot of 40G laying around. Price has come down on them and transceivers are not as expensive either. Personally I'd rather jump to 100 :) 40G transceivers I can get for most models for $55. (short range) Same price for 25G! Why bother with 25? Short range 100G are under $200 each. -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) From: "Kurt Fankhauser" To: "af" Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:03:36 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Dennis,how many of these do you ha
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Actually, the 1016/1036 are 24VDC, not 48VDC. The 1009 is 48VDC. On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 7:47 AM Mike Hammett wrote: > The CCR 2004 can take the same +- 48 vDC power supply as the current > generation CCR1016 and CCR1036. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser" > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > *Sent: *Sunday, April 26, 2020 12:11:28 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > Is the power options for this CCR2004 only AC power? If so that is a going > to be a huge issue for most of the sites I have that are DC powered! I need > routers with 10G SFP+ ports that can be powered from DC/AC > > On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 12:24 AM Steve Jones > wrote: > >> You guys all need to calm the heck down with this talk, you're gonna get >> us all killed. Look at what the lunatics are doing to the 5g operators. >> When they find out afmug is over here operating 25 40 and 100g networks, >> theyll send out armys of Karen's with the short hair to put our heads on >> pikes. We have worked too hard over the years building this industry up for >> us to all be skinned alive when Janet or Kyle find the afmug archive. >> >> On Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 8:04 AM Mike Hammett wrote: >> >>> I agree if it's a transport system or a modern switch. If it's an older >>> switch, 40G is all it's got, no 25G and no 100G. Who buys new switches when >>> a switch is a switch and there's a large supply of older switches? Yes, >>> obviously there's a demand, but it's not going to be most of us in this >>> room. >>> >>> When I have actually gotten quotes for 40G transport, they were more >>> than 4x 10G and about the same as 100G (though I had no 100G equipment). In >>> those scenarios, a 25G wave would actually do great. Well, other than >>> needing new switches which aren't cheap. >>> >>> >>> In one facility in Indy, we offer 1G, 10G, 25G, 40G, and 100G. :-) >>> We're rolling out 40G in another, but the rest will stay 10G for the time >>> being. I suppose we could always put a 25G customer on, just bypassing the >>> switch in that building and going right into the mux to the central switch. >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> -- >>> *From: *"Trey Scarborough" >>> *To: *af@af.afmug.com >>> *Sent: *Friday, April 24, 2020 5:34:16 PM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >>> >>> you are only comparing SFP transceiver cost. The reason why it is dead >>> is transport equipment and switch equipment you pretty much are burning a >>> 100G port to do 40g there are some 100G 2x40 transponders out there but >>> they are the same cost as a 200G 2x100G transponder so if you go to order >>> a 40G wave service it will cost you the same as a 100G maybe more if they >>> have to use an OTU4 to 40GLANPHY card. As well most switches being deployed >>> by providers are 100G/25G/10G and don't have 40G ports. so you hae to b
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The CCR 2004 can take the same +- 48 vDC power supply as the current generation CCR1016 and CCR1036. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Kurt Fankhauser" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2020 12:11:28 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Is the power options for this CCR2004 only AC power? If so that is a going to be a huge issue for most of the sites I have that are DC powered! I need routers with 10G SFP+ ports that can be powered from DC/AC On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 12:24 AM Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: You guys all need to calm the heck down with this talk, you're gonna get us all killed. Look at what the lunatics are doing to the 5g operators. When they find out afmug is over here operating 25 40 and 100g networks, theyll send out armys of Karen's with the short hair to put our heads on pikes. We have worked too hard over the years building this industry up for us to all be skinned alive when Janet or Kyle find the afmug archive. On Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 8:04 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: I agree if it's a transport system or a modern switch. If it's an older switch, 40G is all it's got, no 25G and no 100G. Who buys new switches when a switch is a switch and there's a large supply of older switches? Yes, obviously there's a demand, but it's not going to be most of us in this room. When I have actually gotten quotes for 40G transport, they were more than 4x 10G and about the same as 100G (though I had no 100G equipment). In those scenarios, a 25G wave would actually do great. Well, other than needing new switches which aren't cheap. In one facility in Indy, we offer 1G, 10G, 25G, 40G, and 100G. :-) We're rolling out 40G in another, but the rest will stay 10G for the time being. I suppose we could always put a 25G customer on, just bypassing the switch in that building and going right into the mux to the central switch. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Trey Scarborough" < t...@3dsc.co > To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 5:34:16 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out you are only comparing SFP transceiver cost. The reason why it is dead is transport equipment and switch equipment you pretty much are burning a 100G port to do 40g there are some 100G 2x40 transponders out there but they are the same cost as a 200G 2x100G transponder so if you go to order a 40G wave service it will cost you the same as a 100G maybe more if they have to use an OTU4 to 40GLANPHY card. As well most switches being deployed by providers are 100G/25G/10G and don't have 40G ports. so you hae to burn a 100G port to provide 40G therefor the cost is priced accordingly. Is it dead in the data center space for the most part to because the power requirements vs speed is horrible uses almost as much power as a 100G and only get 40% of the bandwidth. The power for a 25G is comparable to 10G. Starting to see 25G IX connection options as well. Don't worry you are going to start seeing a bunch more 25G options coming out because the demand is growing. There are already companies starting to sell 25G channelized DWDM optics. The price at the moment is high because they are new and the demand is low, but will greatly reduce the cost the more that the utilization grows. On 4/24/2020 10:07 AM, Steven Kenney wrote: That is up for debate but we'll see in a few years. I'd rather jump to 40 than 25. You almost defeated your own point stating you have a lot of 40G laying around. Price has come down on them and transceivers are not as expensive either. Personally I'd rather jump to 100 :) 40G transceivers I can get for most models for $55. (short range) Same price for 25G! Why bother with 25? Short range 100G are under $200 each. -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) From: "Kurt Fankhauser" To: "af" Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:03:36 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Dennis,how many of these do you have on order? On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 9:42 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 25G will be far more common than 40G. 40G is dead and has been dead for years. I wish that wasn't so because I have a lot of 40G switches that I'd love to connect to things, but that's not going to happen. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Steven Kenney" < st...@wavedirect.org > To: "af" < af@af.
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In mikrotik defense, they make it really easy to convert ac to DC. Most, if not all are just a psu connected via a connector inside with a variable DC input range On Sun, Apr 26, 2020, 12:12 AM Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > Is the power options for this CCR2004 only AC power? If so that is a going > to be a huge issue for most of the sites I have that are DC powered! I need > routers with 10G SFP+ ports that can be powered from DC/AC > > On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 12:24 AM Steve Jones > wrote: > >> You guys all need to calm the heck down with this talk, you're gonna get >> us all killed. Look at what the lunatics are doing to the 5g operators. >> When they find out afmug is over here operating 25 40 and 100g networks, >> theyll send out armys of Karen's with the short hair to put our heads on >> pikes. We have worked too hard over the years building this industry up for >> us to all be skinned alive when Janet or Kyle find the afmug archive. >> >> On Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 8:04 AM Mike Hammett wrote: >> >>> I agree if it's a transport system or a modern switch. If it's an older >>> switch, 40G is all it's got, no 25G and no 100G. Who buys new switches when >>> a switch is a switch and there's a large supply of older switches? Yes, >>> obviously there's a demand, but it's not going to be most of us in this >>> room. >>> >>> When I have actually gotten quotes for 40G transport, they were more >>> than 4x 10G and about the same as 100G (though I had no 100G equipment). In >>> those scenarios, a 25G wave would actually do great. Well, other than >>> needing new switches which aren't cheap. >>> >>> >>> In one facility in Indy, we offer 1G, 10G, 25G, 40G, and 100G. :-) >>> We're rolling out 40G in another, but the rest will stay 10G for the time >>> being. I suppose we could always put a 25G customer on, just bypassing the >>> switch in that building and going right into the mux to the central switch. >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> -- >>> *From: *"Trey Scarborough" >>> *To: *af@af.afmug.com >>> *Sent: *Friday, April 24, 2020 5:34:16 PM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >>> >>> you are only comparing SFP transceiver cost. The reason why it is dead >>> is transport equipment and switch equipment you pretty much are burning a >>> 100G port to do 40g there are some 100G 2x40 transponders out there but >>> they are the same cost as a 200G 2x100G transponder so if you go to order >>> a 40G wave service it will cost you the same as a 100G maybe more if they >>> have to use an OTU4 to 40GLANPHY card. As well most switches being deployed >>> by providers are 100G/25G/10G and don't have 40G ports. so you hae to burn >>> a 100G port to provide 40G therefor the cost is priced accordingly. >>> >>> Is it dead in the data center space for the most part to because the >>> power requirements vs speed is horrible uses almost as much power as a 100G >>> and only get 40% of the bandwidth. The power for a 25G is comparable to >>> 10G. Starting to see 25G IX connection options as well. >>> >>> Don't worry you are going to start seeing a bunch more 25G options >>> coming out because the demand is growing. There are already companies >>> starting to sell 25G channelized DWDM optics. The price at the moment is >>> high because they are new and the demand is low, but will greatly reduce >>> the cost the more that the utilization grows. >>> >>> >>> On 4/24/2020 10:07 AM, Steven Kenney wrote: >>> >>> That is up for debate but we'll see in a few years. I'd rather jum
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
Is the power options for this CCR2004 only AC power? If so that is a going to be a huge issue for most of the sites I have that are DC powered! I need routers with 10G SFP+ ports that can be powered from DC/AC On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 12:24 AM Steve Jones wrote: > You guys all need to calm the heck down with this talk, you're gonna get > us all killed. Look at what the lunatics are doing to the 5g operators. > When they find out afmug is over here operating 25 40 and 100g networks, > theyll send out armys of Karen's with the short hair to put our heads on > pikes. We have worked too hard over the years building this industry up for > us to all be skinned alive when Janet or Kyle find the afmug archive. > > On Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 8:04 AM Mike Hammett wrote: > >> I agree if it's a transport system or a modern switch. If it's an older >> switch, 40G is all it's got, no 25G and no 100G. Who buys new switches when >> a switch is a switch and there's a large supply of older switches? Yes, >> obviously there's a demand, but it's not going to be most of us in this >> room. >> >> When I have actually gotten quotes for 40G transport, they were more than >> 4x 10G and about the same as 100G (though I had no 100G equipment). In >> those scenarios, a 25G wave would actually do great. Well, other than >> needing new switches which aren't cheap. >> >> >> In one facility in Indy, we offer 1G, 10G, 25G, 40G, and 100G. :-) We're >> rolling out 40G in another, but the rest will stay 10G for the time being. >> I suppose we could always put a 25G customer on, just bypassing the switch >> in that building and going right into the mux to the central switch. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> -- >> *From: *"Trey Scarborough" >> *To: *af@af.afmug.com >> *Sent: *Friday, April 24, 2020 5:34:16 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >> >> you are only comparing SFP transceiver cost. The reason why it is dead is >> transport equipment and switch equipment you pretty much are burning a 100G >> port to do 40g there are some 100G 2x40 transponders out there but they are >> the same cost as a 200G 2x100G transponder so if you go to order a 40G >> wave service it will cost you the same as a 100G maybe more if they have to >> use an OTU4 to 40GLANPHY card. As well most switches being deployed by >> providers are 100G/25G/10G and don't have 40G ports. so you hae to burn a >> 100G port to provide 40G therefor the cost is priced accordingly. >> >> Is it dead in the data center space for the most part to because the >> power requirements vs speed is horrible uses almost as much power as a 100G >> and only get 40% of the bandwidth. The power for a 25G is comparable to >> 10G. Starting to see 25G IX connection options as well. >> >> Don't worry you are going to start seeing a bunch more 25G options coming >> out because the demand is growing. There are already companies starting to >> sell 25G channelized DWDM optics. The price at the moment is high because >> they are new and the demand is low, but will greatly reduce the cost the >> more that the utilization grows. >> >> >> On 4/24/2020 10:07 AM, Steven Kenney wrote: >> >> That is up for debate but we'll see in a few years. I'd rather jump to >> 40 than 25. You almost defeated your own point stating you have a lot of >> 40G laying around. Price has come down on them and transceivers are not as >> expensive either. Personally I'd rather jump to 100 :) >> >> 40G transceivers I can get for most models for $55. (short range) Same >> price for 25G! Why bother with 25? >> Short range 100G are under $200 each. >> >> >> -- >> Steven Kenney >> Network Operations Manager >> WaveDirect Telecommu
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I agree if it's a transport system or a modern switch. If it's an older switch, 40G is all it's got, no 25G and no 100G. Who buys new switches when a switch is a switch and there's a large supply of older switches? Yes, obviously there's a demand, but it's not going to be most of us in this room. When I have actually gotten quotes for 40G transport, they were more than 4x 10G and about the same as 100G (though I had no 100G equipment). In those scenarios, a 25G wave would actually do great. Well, other than needing new switches which aren't cheap. In one facility in Indy, we offer 1G, 10G, 25G, 40G, and 100G. :-) We're rolling out 40G in another, but the rest will stay 10G for the time being. I suppose we could always put a 25G customer on, just bypassing the switch in that building and going right into the mux to the central switch. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Trey Scarborough" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 5:34:16 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out you are only comparing SFP transceiver cost. The reason why it is dead is transport equipment and switch equipment you pretty much are burning a 100G port to do 40g there are some 100G 2x40 transponders out there but they are the same cost as a 200G 2x100G transponder so if you go to order a 40G wave service it will cost you the same as a 100G maybe more if they have to use an OTU4 to 40GLANPHY card. As well most switches being deployed by providers are 100G/25G/10G and don't have 40G ports. so you hae to burn a 100G port to provide 40G therefor the cost is priced accordingly. Is it dead in the data center space for the most part to because the power requirements vs speed is horrible uses almost as much power as a 100G and only get 40% of the bandwidth. The power for a 25G is comparable to 10G. Starting to see 25G IX connection options as well. Don't worry you are going to start seeing a bunch more 25G options coming out because the demand is growing. There are already companies starting to sell 25G channelized DWDM optics. The price at the moment is high because they are new and the demand is low, but will greatly reduce the cost the more that the utilization grows. On 4/24/2020 10:07 AM, Steven Kenney wrote: That is up for debate but we'll see in a few years. I'd rather jump to 40 than 25. You almost defeated your own point stating you have a lot of 40G laying around. Price has come down on them and transceivers are not as expensive either. Personally I'd rather jump to 100 :) 40G transceivers I can get for most models for $55. (short range) Same price for 25G! Why bother with 25? Short range 100G are under $200 each. -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) - Original Message - From: "Kurt Fankhauser" To: "af" Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:03:36 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Dennis,how many of these do you have on order? On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 9:42 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 25G will be far more common than 40G. 40G is dead and has been dead for years. I wish that wasn't so because I have a lot of 40G switches that I'd love to connect to things, but that's not going to happen. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Steven Kenney" < st...@wavedirect.org > To: "af" < af@af.afmug.com > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 8:38:00 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Ugh.. I was wondering when the 40Gbps version was coming out. 25 is kinda a black sheep in the industry. Good luck matching equipment with upstreams. I know they can get the cards but most are moving to 40 or 100. -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) From: "af" < af@af.afmug.com > To: "af" < af@af.afmug.com > Cc: "Dennis Burgess" < dmburg...@linktechs.net > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 2:17:51 PM Subject: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out 10x 10 Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces 2x 25 Gigabit SFP28 Interfaces Quad Core ARM 64 bit CPU List price: $600 LTI-Full_175px Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office : 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.c
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you are only comparing SFP transceiver cost. The reason why it is dead is transport equipment and switch equipment you pretty much are burning a 100G port to do 40g there are some 100G 2x40 transponders out there but they are the same cost as a 200G 2x100G transponder so if you go to order a 40G wave service it will cost you the same as a 100G maybe more if they have to use an OTU4 to 40GLANPHY card. As well most switches being deployed by providers are 100G/25G/10G and don't have 40G ports. so you hae to burn a 100G port to provide 40G therefor the cost is priced accordingly. Is it dead in the data center space for the most part to because the power requirements vs speed is horrible uses almost as much power as a 100G and only get 40% of the bandwidth. The power for a 25G is comparable to 10G. Starting to see 25G IX connection options as well. Don't worry you are going to start seeing a bunch more 25G options coming out because the demand is growing. There are already companies starting to sell 25G channelized DWDM optics. The price at the moment is high because they are new and the demand is low, but will greatly reduce the cost the more that the utilization grows. On 4/24/2020 10:07 AM, Steven Kenney wrote: That is up for debate but we'll see in a few years. I'd rather jump to 40 than 25. You almost defeated your own point stating you have a lot of 40G laying around. Price has come down on them and transceivers are not as expensive either. Personally I'd rather jump to 100 :) 40G transceivers I can get for most models for $55. (short range) Same price for 25G! Why bother with 25? Short range 100G are under $200 each. -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser" *To: *"af" *Sent: *Friday, April 24, 2020 10:03:36 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Dennis,how many of these do you have on order? On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 9:42 AM Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote: 25G will be far more common than 40G. 40G is dead and has been dead for years. I wish that wasn't so because I have a lot of 40G switches that I'd love to connect to things, but that's not going to happen. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> *From: *"Steven Kenney" mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>> *To: *"af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> *Sent: *Friday, April 24, 2020 8:38:00 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Ugh.. I was wondering when the 40Gbps version was coming out. 25 is kinda a black sheep in the industry. Good luck matching equipment with upstreams. I know they can get the cards but most are moving to 40 or 100. -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) *From: *"af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> *To: *"af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> *Cc: *"Dennis Burgess" mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 23, 2020 2:17:51 PM *Subject: *[AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out 10x 10 Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces 2x 25 Gigabit SFP28 Interfaces Quad Core ARM 64 bit CPU List price: $600 *LTI-Full_175px* *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified * Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” *Link Technologies, Inc*-- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services *Office*: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net <http://www.linktechs.net/> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailma
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Hi Gilbert, Yeah our issues were on the 1036. The 1072s have been pretty stable. We also had an NTP issue but I can’t remember all the details of that one. Since nothing is showing in your logs id look at environmental issues, but it seems heat Probably isn’t your issue. -Sean On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 3:28 PM Gilbert Gutierrez < mailing-li...@phxinternet.com> wrote: > Sean, > In my investigation on possibly following your suggestions, I found that > the 1072 appears to be fixed at 1000. It was an idea . > > > Gilbert > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:00 PM Sean Heskett wrote: > >> Hi Steve, >> >> We were having random reboots on some CCR1036s and we finally solved the >> issue by downclocking the CPU to 1000 (they run at 1200 out of the box). >> down clocking them didn't really impact performance other than they >> stopped randomly rebooting lol. >> >> -sean >> >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:44 PM Steven Kenney >> wrote: >> >>> Were you ever able to pin down certain times/situations when you'd get >>> the random reboot? I've experienced this too, nothing in the console, >>> logs, nothing. Supout had nothing as well. Its completely random however >>> it does tend to happen when there is higher amount of traffic. >>> >>> -- >>> Steven Kenney >>> Network Operations Manager >>> WaveDirect Telecommunications >>> http://www.wavedirect.net >>> (519)737-WAVE (9283) >>> >>> -- >>> *From: *"Gilbert Gutierrez" >>> *To: *"af" >>> *Sent: *Friday, April 24, 2020 12:03:37 PM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >>> >>> Dave... I have two 1072s in my network and I have had issues with both >>> units and perceived random reboots. I am not a fan and buying something >>> else to replace them. >>> Gilbert >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 1:04 PM dave wrote: >>> >>>> My thoughts exactly because Im looking at replacing my powerv4 with a >>>> 1072 >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4/23/20 2:47 PM, Josh Baird wrote: >>>> >>>> Yeah - we need to see diagrams to see what is actually going on under >>>> the hood.. >>>> >>>> This is supposedly the "new 1009," so I suspect there are some >>>> limitations here. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:42 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: >>>> >>>>> So is Tilera now like PPC, they have moved on to ARM? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Seems like you’d need to see the block diagram, are all those ports >>>>> directly connected to the CPU, or via switch chips? And is this >>>>> architected as a router, or a switch? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Dennis Burgess >>>>> via AF >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 2:34 PM >>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>> *Cc:* Dennis Burgess >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Correction 12x 10Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, >>>>> MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified * >>>>> >>>>> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” >>>>> >>>>> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >>>>> >>>>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >>>>> >>>>> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Dennis Burgess >>>>> via AF >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:18 PM >>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>> *Cc:* Dennis Burgess >>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 10x 10 Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces >>>>> >>>>> 2x 25 Gigabit SFP28 Interfaces >>>>> >>>>> Quad Core ARM 64 bit CPU >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> List price: $600 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, >>>>> MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified * >>>>> >>>>> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” >>>>> >>>>> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >>>>> >>>>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >>>>> >>>>> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> AF mailing list >>>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
Sean, In my investigation on possibly following your suggestions, I found that the 1072 appears to be fixed at 1000. It was an idea . Gilbert On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:00 PM Sean Heskett wrote: > Hi Steve, > > We were having random reboots on some CCR1036s and we finally solved the > issue by downclocking the CPU to 1000 (they run at 1200 out of the box). > down clocking them didn't really impact performance other than they > stopped randomly rebooting lol. > > -sean > > > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:44 PM Steven Kenney > wrote: > >> Were you ever able to pin down certain times/situations when you'd get >> the random reboot? I've experienced this too, nothing in the console, >> logs, nothing. Supout had nothing as well. Its completely random however >> it does tend to happen when there is higher amount of traffic. >> >> -- >> Steven Kenney >> Network Operations Manager >> WaveDirect Telecommunications >> http://www.wavedirect.net >> (519)737-WAVE (9283) >> >> ---------- >> *From: *"Gilbert Gutierrez" >> *To: *"af" >> *Sent: *Friday, April 24, 2020 12:03:37 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >> >> Dave... I have two 1072s in my network and I have had issues with both >> units and perceived random reboots. I am not a fan and buying something >> else to replace them. >> Gilbert >> >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 1:04 PM dave wrote: >> >>> My thoughts exactly because Im looking at replacing my powerv4 with a >>> 1072 >>> >>> >>> On 4/23/20 2:47 PM, Josh Baird wrote: >>> >>> Yeah - we need to see diagrams to see what is actually going on under >>> the hood.. >>> >>> This is supposedly the "new 1009," so I suspect there are some >>> limitations here. >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:42 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: >>> >>>> So is Tilera now like PPC, they have moved on to ARM? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Seems like you’d need to see the block diagram, are all those ports >>>> directly connected to the CPU, or via switch chips? And is this >>>> architected as a router, or a switch? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Dennis Burgess via >>>> AF >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 2:34 PM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> *Cc:* Dennis Burgess >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Correction 12x 10Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]* >>>> >>>> >>>> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, >>>> MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified * >>>> >>>> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” >>>> >>>> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >>>> >>>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >>>> >>>> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Dennis Burgess via >>>> AF >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:18 PM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> *Cc:* Dennis Burgess >>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 10x 10 Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces >>>> >>>> 2x 25 Gigabit SFP28 Interfaces >>>> >>>> Quad Core ARM 64 bit CPU >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> List price: $600 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]* >>>> >>>> >>>> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, >>>> MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified * >>>> >>>> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” >>>> >>>> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >>>> >>>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >>>> >>>> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
I have not found out the source. I may try Sean's clocking idea. Gilbert On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 11:44 AM Steven Kenney wrote: > Were you ever able to pin down certain times/situations when you'd get the > random reboot? I've experienced this too, nothing in the console, logs, > nothing. Supout had nothing as well. Its completely random however it > does tend to happen when there is higher amount of traffic. > > -- > Steven Kenney > Network Operations Manager > WaveDirect Telecommunications > http://www.wavedirect.net > (519)737-WAVE (9283) > > -- > *From: *"Gilbert Gutierrez" > *To: *"af" > *Sent: *Friday, April 24, 2020 12:03:37 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > Dave... I have two 1072s in my network and I have had issues with both > units and perceived random reboots. I am not a fan and buying something > else to replace them. > Gilbert > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 1:04 PM dave wrote: > >> My thoughts exactly because Im looking at replacing my powerv4 with a 1072 >> >> >> On 4/23/20 2:47 PM, Josh Baird wrote: >> >> Yeah - we need to see diagrams to see what is actually going on under the >> hood.. >> >> This is supposedly the "new 1009," so I suspect there are some >> limitations here. >> >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:42 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >>> So is Tilera now like PPC, they have moved on to ARM? >>> >>> >>> >>> Seems like you’d need to see the block diagram, are all those ports >>> directly connected to the CPU, or via switch chips? And is this >>> architected as a router, or a switch? >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Dennis Burgess via >>> AF >>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 2:34 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Cc:* Dennis Burgess >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >>> >>> >>> >>> Correction 12x 10Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]* >>> >>> >>> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, >>> MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified * >>> >>> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” >>> >>> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >>> >>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >>> >>> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Dennis Burgess via >>> AF >>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:18 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Cc:* Dennis Burgess >>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 10x 10 Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces >>> >>> 2x 25 Gigabit SFP28 Interfaces >>> >>> Quad Core ARM 64 bit CPU >>> >>> >>> >>> List price: $600 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]* >>> >>> >>> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, >>> MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified * >>> >>> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” >>> >>> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >>> >>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >>> >>> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
Hi Steve, We were having random reboots on some CCR1036s and we finally solved the issue by downclocking the CPU to 1000 (they run at 1200 out of the box). down clocking them didn't really impact performance other than they stopped randomly rebooting lol. -sean On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:44 PM Steven Kenney wrote: > Were you ever able to pin down certain times/situations when you'd get the > random reboot? I've experienced this too, nothing in the console, logs, > nothing. Supout had nothing as well. Its completely random however it > does tend to happen when there is higher amount of traffic. > > -- > Steven Kenney > Network Operations Manager > WaveDirect Telecommunications > http://www.wavedirect.net > (519)737-WAVE (9283) > > -- > *From: *"Gilbert Gutierrez" > *To: *"af" > *Sent: *Friday, April 24, 2020 12:03:37 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > Dave... I have two 1072s in my network and I have had issues with both > units and perceived random reboots. I am not a fan and buying something > else to replace them. > Gilbert > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 1:04 PM dave wrote: > >> My thoughts exactly because Im looking at replacing my powerv4 with a 1072 >> >> >> On 4/23/20 2:47 PM, Josh Baird wrote: >> >> Yeah - we need to see diagrams to see what is actually going on under the >> hood.. >> >> This is supposedly the "new 1009," so I suspect there are some >> limitations here. >> >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:42 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >>> So is Tilera now like PPC, they have moved on to ARM? >>> >>> >>> >>> Seems like you’d need to see the block diagram, are all those ports >>> directly connected to the CPU, or via switch chips? And is this >>> architected as a router, or a switch? >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Dennis Burgess via >>> AF >>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 2:34 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Cc:* Dennis Burgess >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >>> >>> >>> >>> Correction 12x 10Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]* >>> >>> >>> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, >>> MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified * >>> >>> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” >>> >>> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >>> >>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >>> >>> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Dennis Burgess via >>> AF >>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:18 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Cc:* Dennis Burgess >>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 10x 10 Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces >>> >>> 2x 25 Gigabit SFP28 Interfaces >>> >>> Quad Core ARM 64 bit CPU >>> >>> >>> >>> List price: $600 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]* >>> >>> >>> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, >>> MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified * >>> >>> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” >>> >>> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >>> >>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >>> >>> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
Were you ever able to pin down certain times/situations when you'd get the random reboot? I've experienced this too, nothing in the console, logs, nothing. Supout had nothing as well. Its completely random however it does tend to happen when there is higher amount of traffic. -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) From: "Gilbert Gutierrez" To: "af" Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 12:03:37 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Dave... I have two 1072s in my network and I have had issues with both units and perceived random reboots. I am not a fan and buying something else to replace them. Gilbert On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 1:04 PM dave < [ mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com | dmilho...@wletc.com ] > wrote: My thoughts exactly because Im looking at replacing my powerv4 with a 1072 On 4/23/20 2:47 PM, Josh Baird wrote: BQ_BEGIN Yeah - we need to see diagrams to see what is actually going on under the hood.. This is supposedly the "new 1009," so I suspect there are some limitations here. On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:42 PM Ken Hohhof < [ mailto:af...@kwisp.com | af...@kwisp.com ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN So is Tilera now like PPC, they have moved on to ARM? Seems like you’d need to see the block diagram, are all those ports directly connected to the CPU, or via switch chips? And is this architected as a router, or a switch? From: AF < [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com | af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] > On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess via AF Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 2:34 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] > Cc: Dennis Burgess < [ mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net | dmburg...@linktechs.net ] > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Correction 12x 10Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces. Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office : 314-735-0270 Website: [ http://www.linktechs.net/ | http://www.linktechs.net ] Create Wireless Coverage’s with [ http://www.towercoverage.com/ | www.towercoverage.com ] From: AF < [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com | af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] > On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess via AF Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:18 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] > Cc: Dennis Burgess < [ mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net | dmburg...@linktechs.net ] > Subject: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out 10x 10 Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces 2x 25 Gigabit SFP28 Interfaces Quad Core ARM 64 bit CPU List price: $600 Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office : 314-735-0270 Website: [ http://www.linktechs.net/ | http://www.linktechs.net ] Create Wireless Coverage’s with [ http://www.towercoverage.com/ | www.towercoverage.com ] -- AF mailing list [ mailto:AF@af.afmug.com | AF@af.afmug.com ] [ http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com | http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com ] BQ_END -- AF mailing list [ mailto:AF@af.afmug.com | AF@af.afmug.com ] [ http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com | http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com ] BQ_END -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
Quite a few.. [LTI-Full_175px] Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net/> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com From: AF On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 9:04 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Dennis,how many of these do you have on order? On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 9:42 AM Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote: 25G will be far more common than 40G. 40G is dead and has been dead for years. I wish that wasn't so because I have a lot of 40G switches that I'd love to connect to things, but that's not going to happen. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.ics%2dil.com&umid=F2D80EC7-A40C-CF05-AF6E-EFB06EB1D299&auth=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-21fd093b75c26fc95e4586cb1843dc25bf9f5219> [https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.ics%2dil.com%2fimages%2ffbicon.png%5d&umid=F2D80EC7-A40C-CF05-AF6E-EFB06EB1D299&auth=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-6504653533f92e8045c8b2b0822057e390e4259f<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.ics%2dil.com%2fimages%2fgoogleicon.png%5d&umid=F2D80EC7-A40C-CF05-AF6E-EFB06EB1D299&auth=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-ca428430ec359da8e5ae25441d2d7c11250030e4<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.ics%2dil.com%2fimages%2flinkedinicon.png%5d&umid=F2D80EC7-A40C-CF05-AF6E-EFB06EB1D299&auth=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-a4f96b9d54587818aa10b75d4d5762aa99addc69<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.ics%2dil.com%2fimages%2ftwittericon.png%5d&umid=F2D80EC7-A40C-CF05-AF6E-EFB06EB1D299&auth=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-f3ed0f4792cbaa6906280d6c147abeeef5f06e52<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.ics%2dil.com%2fimages%2ffbicon.png%5d&umid=F2D80EC7-A40C-CF05-AF6E-EFB06EB1D299&auth=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-6504653533f92e8045c8b2b0822057e390e4259f<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.ics%2dil.com%2fimages%2flinkedinicon.png%5d&umid=F2D80EC7-A40C-CF05-AF6E-EFB06EB1D299&auth=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-a4f96b9d54587818aa10b75d4d5762aa99addc69<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.ics%2dil.com%2fimages%2ftwittericon.png%5d&umid=F2D80EC7-A40C-CF05-AF6E-EFB06EB1D299&auth=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-f3ed0f4792cbaa6906280d6c147abeeef5f06e52<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.ics%2dil.com%2fimages%2ffbicon.png%5d&umid=F2D80EC7-A40C-CF05-AF6E-EFB06EB1D299&auth=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-6504653533f92e8045c8b2b0822057e390e4259f<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.ics%2dil.com%2fimages%2fyoutubeicon.png%5d&umid=F2D80EC7-A40C-CF05-AF6E-EFB06EB1D299&auth=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-819a4fdc1ff9e2844a5c4946d835cc6a556e16d3 <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ________ From: "Steven Kenney" mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>> To: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 8:38:00 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Ugh.. I was wondering when the 40Gbps version was coming out. 25 is kinda a black sheep in the industry. Good luck matching equipment with upstreams. I know they can get the cards but most are moving to 40 or 100. -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) ____________ From: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> To: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Cc: "Dennis Burgess" mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 2:17:51 PM Subject: [AFMUG]
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
And just to comment from a product standpoint on why 25G will become more common... To Mike's point, 40G is made with 4x 10G meaning it eats up 4 SERDES on a chip. 25G uses 1 SERDES that runs faster and 100G is made again with 4x of the 25G SERDES. Now that 25G capable SERDES is more prolific on the chip side, it makes more sense to put 25G ports on things and use a single SERDES vs. putting 40G and chewing up 4 of the same SERDES running at slower speeds. If you are going to use 4 on these newer chips, it will be to make 100G. On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 11:11 AM Mike Hammett wrote: > I have switches around, but I can't get transport or upstream connections > with them without subsidizing the purchase of the card. As someone that has > a lot of 40G and wishes that 40G wasn't dead, it is unless you have total > control of the infrastructure. > > > 40G is 4x10G and (modern) 100G is 4x25G. Yes, before it was 10x10, but > that changed as it was too inefficient. > > In a single channel, you can run either 10G or 25G. In four channels, you > can run 40G or 100G. > > > If we can't get 100G at 1310 nm to work at the distances we need, we're > likely going to go Nx25G in DWDM. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > *From: *"Steven Kenney" > *To: *"af" > *Sent: *Friday, April 24, 2020 10:07:16 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > That is up for debate but we'll see in a few years. I'd rather jump to 40 > than 25. You almost defeated your own point stating you have a lot of 40G > laying around. Price has come down on them and transceivers are not as > expensive either. Personally I'd rather jump to 100 :) > > 40G transceivers I can get for most models for $55. (short range) Same > price for 25G! Why bother with 25? > Short range 100G are under $200 each. > > > -- > Steven Kenney > Network Operations Manager > WaveDirect Telecommunications > http://www.wavedirect.net > (519)737-WAVE (9283) > > -- > *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser" > *To: *"af" > *Sent: *Friday, April 24, 2020 10:03:36 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > Dennis,how many of these do you have on order? > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 9:42 AM Mike Hammett wrote: > >> 25G will be far more common than 40G. >> 40G is dead and has been dead for years. I wish that wasn't so because I >> have a lot of 40G switches that I'd love to connect to things, but that's >> not going to happen. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> -- >> *From: *"Steven Kenney" >> *To: *"af" >> *Sent: *Friday, April 24, 2020 8:38:00 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >> >> Ugh.. I was wondering when the 40Gbps version was coming out. 25 is >> kinda a black sheep in the industry. Good luck matching equipment with >> upstreams. I know they can get the cards but most are moving to 40 or 100. >> >> -- >> Steven Kenney >> Network Operations Manager >> WaveDirect Telecommunications >> http://www.wavedirect.net >> (519)737-WAVE (9283) >> >> -
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
Gilbert, We have three 1072s and none of them randomly reboot. I suggest you make sure they're on stable power and use ONLY the latest Long-Term release. Do not use Stable, testing, or development branches. If you give Mikrotiks good firmware, they are great but I see too many people using the Stable or Testing versions that cause issues. The best thing they did was release the Long-Term (used to be called Bugfix) branch and our gear has been rock solid ever since. On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 11:04 AM Gilbert Gutierrez < mailing-li...@phxinternet.com> wrote: > Dave... I have two 1072s in my network and I have had issues with both > units and perceived random reboots. I am not a fan and buying something > else to replace them. > > Gilbert > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 1:04 PM dave wrote: > >> My thoughts exactly because Im looking at replacing my powerv4 with a 1072 >> >> >> On 4/23/20 2:47 PM, Josh Baird wrote: >> >> Yeah - we need to see diagrams to see what is actually going on under the >> hood.. >> >> This is supposedly the "new 1009," so I suspect there are some >> limitations here. >> >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:42 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >>> So is Tilera now like PPC, they have moved on to ARM? >>> >>> >>> >>> Seems like you’d need to see the block diagram, are all those ports >>> directly connected to the CPU, or via switch chips? And is this >>> architected as a router, or a switch? >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Dennis Burgess via >>> AF >>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 2:34 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Cc:* Dennis Burgess >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >>> >>> >>> >>> Correction 12x 10Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]* >>> >>> >>> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, >>> MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified * >>> >>> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” >>> >>> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >>> >>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >>> >>> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Dennis Burgess via >>> AF >>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:18 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Cc:* Dennis Burgess >>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 10x 10 Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces >>> >>> 2x 25 Gigabit SFP28 Interfaces >>> >>> Quad Core ARM 64 bit CPU >>> >>> >>> >>> List price: $600 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]* >>> >>> >>> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, >>> MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified * >>> >>> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” >>> >>> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >>> >>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >>> >>> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
I have switches around, but I can't get transport or upstream connections with them without subsidizing the purchase of the card. As someone that has a lot of 40G and wishes that 40G wasn't dead, it is unless you have total control of the infrastructure. 40G is 4x10G and (modern) 100G is 4x25G. Yes, before it was 10x10, but that changed as it was too inefficient. In a single channel, you can run either 10G or 25G. In four channels, you can run 40G or 100G. If we can't get 100G at 1310 nm to work at the distances we need, we're likely going to go Nx25G in DWDM. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Steven Kenney" To: "af" Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:07:16 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out That is up for debate but we'll see in a few years. I'd rather jump to 40 than 25. You almost defeated your own point stating you have a lot of 40G laying around. Price has come down on them and transceivers are not as expensive either. Personally I'd rather jump to 100 :) 40G transceivers I can get for most models for $55. (short range) Same price for 25G! Why bother with 25? Short range 100G are under $200 each. -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) - Original Message - From: "Kurt Fankhauser" To: "af" Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:03:36 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Dennis,how many of these do you have on order? On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 9:42 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 25G will be far more common than 40G. 40G is dead and has been dead for years. I wish that wasn't so because I have a lot of 40G switches that I'd love to connect to things, but that's not going to happen. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Steven Kenney" < st...@wavedirect.org > To: "af" < af@af.afmug.com > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 8:38:00 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Ugh.. I was wondering when the 40Gbps version was coming out. 25 is kinda a black sheep in the industry. Good luck matching equipment with upstreams. I know they can get the cards but most are moving to 40 or 100. -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) From: "af" < af@af.afmug.com > To: "af" < af@af.afmug.com > Cc: "Dennis Burgess" < dmburg...@linktechs.net > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 2:17:51 PM Subject: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out 10x 10 Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces 2x 25 Gigabit SFP28 Interfaces Quad Core ARM 64 bit CPU List price: $600 LTI-Full_175px Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office : 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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I’m going by memory which in my case is dangerous, but I think the 1100AHx4 and 4011 already use Annapurna Labs devices. I assume this one is on steroids. From: AF On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:00 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out It shows AL32400 so Annapurna labs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annapurna_Labs They were bought by Amazon a while back and make good CPUs. I'd guess performance will be pretty good. Most of these are architected with ARM cores + lots of hardware offload for doing routing and other such tasks. So it is kind of like having a L3 HW engine inside the CPU. On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 7:31 AM Dennis Burgess via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote: Don’t know yet as they have not published a block diagram or routing performance numbers. However, I would assume it would do just as good if not better than a 1072.. Course, that could be v7 as well, but don’t know yet. Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: <http://www.linktechs.net/> http://www.linktechs.net Create Wireless Coverage’s with <http://www.towercoverage.com> www.towercoverage.com From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:39 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out whats the comparison to 1072? On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 1:26 PM Dennis Burgess via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote: Yep, seeing the 8 port SFP+ model retail is 3k .. under 1k and more ports and 25gig ports! What 64bit ARM CPU is supposed to do I guess! We have our stock ordered, its not even on the MT product site yet. Will be a week or two before they come in. We will have significant stock on them. Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: <http://www.linktechs.net/> http://www.linktechs.net Create Wireless Coverage’s with <http://www.towercoverage.com> www.towercoverage.com From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:23 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out this thing is pretty cheap too isnt it On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 1:18 PM Dennis Burgess via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote: 10x 10 Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces 2x 25 Gigabit SFP28 Interfaces Quad Core ARM 64 bit CPU List price: $600 Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: <http://www.linktechs.net/> http://www.linktechs.net Create Wireless Coverage’s with <http://www.towercoverage.com> www.towercoverage.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- Harold Bledsoe -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
Dave... I have two 1072s in my network and I have had issues with both units and perceived random reboots. I am not a fan and buying something else to replace them. Gilbert On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 1:04 PM dave wrote: > My thoughts exactly because Im looking at replacing my powerv4 with a 1072 > > > On 4/23/20 2:47 PM, Josh Baird wrote: > > Yeah - we need to see diagrams to see what is actually going on under the > hood.. > > This is supposedly the "new 1009," so I suspect there are some limitations > here. > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:42 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > >> So is Tilera now like PPC, they have moved on to ARM? >> >> >> >> Seems like you’d need to see the block diagram, are all those ports >> directly connected to the CPU, or via switch chips? And is this >> architected as a router, or a switch? >> >> >> >> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Dennis Burgess via AF >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 2:34 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Cc:* Dennis Burgess >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >> >> >> >> Correction 12x 10Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces. >> >> >> >> >> >> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]* >> >> >> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, >> MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified * >> >> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” >> >> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >> >> *Office*: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >> >> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com >> >> >> >> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Dennis Burgess via AF >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:18 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Cc:* Dennis Burgess >> *Subject:* [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 10x 10 Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces >> >> 2x 25 Gigabit SFP28 Interfaces >> >> Quad Core ARM 64 bit CPU >> >> >> >> List price: $600 >> >> >> >> >> >> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]* >> >> >> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, >> MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified * >> >> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” >> >> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >> >> *Office*: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >> >> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
That is up for debate but we'll see in a few years. I'd rather jump to 40 than 25. You almost defeated your own point stating you have a lot of 40G laying around. Price has come down on them and transceivers are not as expensive either. Personally I'd rather jump to 100 :) 40G transceivers I can get for most models for $55. (short range) Same price for 25G! Why bother with 25? Short range 100G are under $200 each. -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) From: "Kurt Fankhauser" To: "af" Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 10:03:36 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Dennis,how many of these do you have on order? On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 9:42 AM Mike Hammett < [ mailto:af...@ics-il.net | af...@ics-il.net ] > wrote: 25G will be far more common than 40G. 40G is dead and has been dead for years. I wish that wasn't so because I have a lot of 40G switches that I'd love to connect to things, but that's not going to happen. - Mike Hammett [ http://www.ics-il.com/ | Intelligent Computing Solutions ] [ https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL ] [ https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb ] [ https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions ] [ https://twitter.com/ICSIL ] [ http://www.midwest-ix.com/ | Midwest Internet Exchange ] [ https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix ] [ https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange ] [ https://twitter.com/mdwestix ] [ http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ | The Brothers WISP ] [ https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp ] [ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg ] From: "Steven Kenney" < [ mailto:st...@wavedirect.org | st...@wavedirect.org ] > To: "af" < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 8:38:00 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Ugh.. I was wondering when the 40Gbps version was coming out. 25 is kinda a black sheep in the industry. Good luck matching equipment with upstreams. I know they can get the cards but most are moving to 40 or 100. -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications [ http://www.wavedirect.net/ | http://www.wavedirect.net ] (519)737-WAVE (9283) From: "af" < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] > To: "af" < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] > Cc: "Dennis Burgess" < [ mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net | dmburg...@linktechs.net ] > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 2:17:51 PM Subject: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out 10x 10 Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces 2x 25 Gigabit SFP28 Interfaces Quad Core ARM 64 bit CPU List price: $600 Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office : 314-735-0270 Website: [ http://www.linktechs.net/ | http://www.linktechs.net ] Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com -- AF mailing list [ mailto:AF@af.afmug.com | AF@af.afmug.com ] [ http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com | http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com ] -- AF mailing list [ mailto:AF@af.afmug.com | AF@af.afmug.com ] [ http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com | http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com ] -- AF mailing list [ mailto:AF@af.afmug.com | AF@af.afmug.com ] [ http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com | http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com ] -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
It shows AL32400 so Annapurna labs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annapurna_Labs They were bought by Amazon a while back and make good CPUs. I'd guess performance will be pretty good. Most of these are architected with ARM cores + lots of hardware offload for doing routing and other such tasks. So it is kind of like having a L3 HW engine inside the CPU. On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 7:31 AM Dennis Burgess via AF wrote: > Don’t know yet as they have not published a block diagram or routing > performance numbers. However, I would assume it would do just as good if > not better than a 1072.. Course, that could be v7 as well, but don’t know > yet. > > > > > > *[image: LTI-Full_175px]* > > > *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, > MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified * > > Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” > > *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > > *Office*: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > > Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of * Steve Jones > *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:39 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > > > whats the comparison to 1072? > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 1:26 PM Dennis Burgess via AF > wrote: > > Yep, seeing the 8 port SFP+ model retail is 3k .. under 1k and more ports > and 25gig ports! > > > > What 64bit ARM CPU is supposed to do I guess! We have our stock ordered, > its not even on the MT product site yet. Will be a week or two before they > come in. We will have significant stock on them. > > > > > > *[image: LTI-Full_175px]* > > > *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, > MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified * > > Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” > > *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > > *Office*: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > > Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones > *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:23 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > > > this thing is pretty cheap too isnt it > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 1:18 PM Dennis Burgess via AF > wrote: > > > > > > 10x 10 Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces > > 2x 25 Gigabit SFP28 Interfaces > > Quad Core ARM 64 bit CPU > > > > List price: $600 > > > > > > *[image: LTI-Full_175px]* > > > *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, > MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified * > > Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” > > *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > > *Office*: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > > Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- Harold Bledsoe -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
Dennis,how many of these do you have on order? On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 9:42 AM Mike Hammett wrote: > 25G will be far more common than 40G. > > 40G is dead and has been dead for years. I wish that wasn't so because I > have a lot of 40G switches that I'd love to connect to things, but that's > not going to happen. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > *From: *"Steven Kenney" > *To: *"af" > *Sent: *Friday, April 24, 2020 8:38:00 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > Ugh.. I was wondering when the 40Gbps version was coming out. 25 is kinda > a black sheep in the industry. Good luck matching equipment with > upstreams. I know they can get the cards but most are moving to 40 or 100. > > -- > Steven Kenney > Network Operations Manager > WaveDirect Telecommunications > http://www.wavedirect.net > (519)737-WAVE (9283) > > -- > *From: *"af" > *To: *"af" > *Cc: *"Dennis Burgess" > *Sent: *Thursday, April 23, 2020 2:17:51 PM > *Subject: *[AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > > > > > 10x 10 Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces > > 2x 25 Gigabit SFP28 Interfaces > > Quad Core ARM 64 bit CPU > > > > List price: $600 > > > > > > *[image: LTI-Full_175px]* > > > *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, > MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified * > > Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” > > *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > > *Office*: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > > Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
25G will be far more common than 40G. 40G is dead and has been dead for years. I wish that wasn't so because I have a lot of 40G switches that I'd love to connect to things, but that's not going to happen. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Steven Kenney" To: "af" Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 8:38:00 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Ugh.. I was wondering when the 40Gbps version was coming out. 25 is kinda a black sheep in the industry. Good luck matching equipment with upstreams. I know they can get the cards but most are moving to 40 or 100. -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) - Original Message - From: "af" To: "af" Cc: "Dennis Burgess" Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 2:17:51 PM Subject: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out 10x 10 Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces 2x 25 Gigabit SFP28 Interfaces Quad Core ARM 64 bit CPU List price: $600 LTI-Full_175px Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office : 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
Ugh.. I was wondering when the 40Gbps version was coming out. 25 is kinda a black sheep in the industry. Good luck matching equipment with upstreams. I know they can get the cards but most are moving to 40 or 100. -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) From: "af" To: "af" Cc: "Dennis Burgess" Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 2:17:51 PM Subject: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out 10x 10 Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces 2x 25 Gigabit SFP28 Interfaces Quad Core ARM 64 bit CPU List price: $600 Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office : 314-735-0270 Website: [ http://www.linktechs.net/ | http://www.linktechs.net ] Create Wireless Coverage’s with [ https://mail.wavedirect.org/www.towercoverage.com | www.towercoverage.com ] -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
Don’t know yet as they have not published a block diagram or routing performance numbers. However, I would assume it would do just as good if not better than a 1072.. Course, that could be v7 as well, but don’t know yet. [LTI-Full_175px] Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net/> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com From: AF On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:39 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out whats the comparison to 1072? On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 1:26 PM Dennis Burgess via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote: Yep, seeing the 8 port SFP+ model retail is 3k .. under 1k and more ports and 25gig ports! What 64bit ARM CPU is supposed to do I guess! We have our stock ordered, its not even on the MT product site yet. Will be a week or two before they come in. We will have significant stock on them. [LTI-Full_175px] Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net/> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com<http://www.towercoverage.com> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:23 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out this thing is pretty cheap too isnt it On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 1:18 PM Dennis Burgess via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote: [cid:image002.png@01D61A0A.367A05D0] 10x 10 Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces 2x 25 Gigabit SFP28 Interfaces Quad Core ARM 64 bit CPU List price: $600 [LTI-Full_175px] Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net/> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com<http://www.towercoverage.com> -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
Those are not available yet. They scuttlebutt is that there is no switch chip. [LTI-Full_175px] Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net/> Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com From: AF On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 2:42 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out So is Tilera now like PPC, they have moved on to ARM? Seems like you'd need to see the block diagram, are all those ports directly connected to the CPU, or via switch chips? And is this architected as a router, or a switch? From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess via AF Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 2:34 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Cc: Dennis Burgess mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Correction 12x 10Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces. [LTI-Full_175px] Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net/> Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess via AF Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:18 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Cc: Dennis Burgess mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>> Subject: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out [cid:image002.png@01D61A05.24719330] 10x 10 Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces 2x 25 Gigabit SFP28 Interfaces Quad Core ARM 64 bit CPU List price: $600 [LTI-Full_175px] Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net/> Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
We have already placed our order, so 2 weeksish ? [LTI-Full_175px] Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net/> Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com From: AF On Behalf Of Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 3:50 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out ETA? Jim Bouse Owner - Brazos WiFi 979-999-7000 https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.brazoswifi.com&umid=AC49EE84-A408-0105-94CE-46EBBA3B98A5&auth=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-27936d49296f1d98ef47932254919f8331977105<https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.brazoswifi.com&umid=AC49EE84-A408-0105-94CE-46EBBA3B98A5&auth=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-27936d49296f1d98ef47932254919f8331977105> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess via AF Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:18 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Cc: Dennis Burgess mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>> Subject: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out [cid:image003.png@01D61A04.F74A2070] 10x 10 Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces 2x 25 Gigabit SFP28 Interfaces Quad Core ARM 64 bit CPU List price: $600 [LTI-Full_175px] Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net/> Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
ETA? Jim Bouse Owner - Brazos WiFi 979-999-7000 http://www.brazoswifi.com<http://www.brazoswifi.com/> From: AF On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess via AF Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:18 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Dennis Burgess Subject: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out [cid:image001.png@01D61986.E59C5BF0] 10x 10 Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces 2x 25 Gigabit SFP28 Interfaces Quad Core ARM 64 bit CPU List price: $600 [LTI-Full_175px] Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net/> Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
Kurt, Those are IPSec results, not actually routed results. I'm not sure why they didn't put their normal bridged vs routed throughput on the datasheet like other models. On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 3:25 PM Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > Looks like it can't route much more than 3.4gbps. > > CCR2004-1G-12S+2XS Hardware accelerated IPsec throughput test > Mode Configuration > > 1400 byte 512 byte 64 byte > kpps Mbps kpps Mbps kpps Mbps > Single tunnel AES-128-CBC + SHA1 303.6 3400.3 353.6 1448.3 354.7 181.6 > 256 tunnels AES-128-CBC + SHA1 302.0 3382.4 378.8 1551.6 376.4 192.7 > 256 tunnels AES-128-CBC + SHA256 302.0 3382.4 378.8 1551.6 376.4 192.7 > 256 tunnels AES-256-CBC + SHA1 300.3 3363.4 374.5 1534.0 374.5 191.7 > 256 tunnels AES-256-CBC + SHA256 300.3 3363.4 374.5 1534.0 374.5 191.7 > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 4:04 PM dave wrote: > >> My thoughts exactly because Im looking at replacing my powerv4 with a 1072 >> >> >> On 4/23/20 2:47 PM, Josh Baird wrote: >> >> Yeah - we need to see diagrams to see what is actually going on under the >> hood.. >> >> This is supposedly the "new 1009," so I suspect there are some >> limitations here. >> >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:42 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >>> So is Tilera now like PPC, they have moved on to ARM? >>> >>> >>> >>> Seems like you’d need to see the block diagram, are all those ports >>> directly connected to the CPU, or via switch chips? And is this >>> architected as a router, or a switch? >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Dennis Burgess via >>> AF >>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 2:34 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Cc:* Dennis Burgess >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >>> >>> >>> >>> Correction 12x 10Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]* >>> >>> >>> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, >>> MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified * >>> >>> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” >>> >>> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >>> >>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >>> >>> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Dennis Burgess via >>> AF >>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:18 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Cc:* Dennis Burgess >>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 10x 10 Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces >>> >>> 2x 25 Gigabit SFP28 Interfaces >>> >>> Quad Core ARM 64 bit CPU >>> >>> >>> >>> List price: $600 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]* >>> >>> >>> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, >>> MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified * >>> >>> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” >>> >>> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >>> >>> *Office*: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >>> >>> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
Looks like it can't route much more than 3.4gbps. CCR2004-1G-12S+2XS Hardware accelerated IPsec throughput test Mode Configuration 1400 byte 512 byte 64 byte kpps Mbps kpps Mbps kpps Mbps Single tunnel AES-128-CBC + SHA1 303.6 3400.3 353.6 1448.3 354.7 181.6 256 tunnels AES-128-CBC + SHA1 302.0 3382.4 378.8 1551.6 376.4 192.7 256 tunnels AES-128-CBC + SHA256 302.0 3382.4 378.8 1551.6 376.4 192.7 256 tunnels AES-256-CBC + SHA1 300.3 3363.4 374.5 1534.0 374.5 191.7 256 tunnels AES-256-CBC + SHA256 300.3 3363.4 374.5 1534.0 374.5 191.7 On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 4:04 PM dave wrote: > My thoughts exactly because Im looking at replacing my powerv4 with a 1072 > > > On 4/23/20 2:47 PM, Josh Baird wrote: > > Yeah - we need to see diagrams to see what is actually going on under the > hood.. > > This is supposedly the "new 1009," so I suspect there are some limitations > here. > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:42 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > >> So is Tilera now like PPC, they have moved on to ARM? >> >> >> >> Seems like you’d need to see the block diagram, are all those ports >> directly connected to the CPU, or via switch chips? And is this >> architected as a router, or a switch? >> >> >> >> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Dennis Burgess via AF >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 2:34 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Cc:* Dennis Burgess >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >> >> >> >> Correction 12x 10Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces. >> >> >> >> >> >> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]* >> >> >> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, >> MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified * >> >> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” >> >> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >> >> *Office*: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >> >> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com >> >> >> >> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Dennis Burgess via AF >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:18 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Cc:* Dennis Burgess >> *Subject:* [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 10x 10 Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces >> >> 2x 25 Gigabit SFP28 Interfaces >> >> Quad Core ARM 64 bit CPU >> >> >> >> List price: $600 >> >> >> >> >> >> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]* >> >> >> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, >> MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified * >> >> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” >> >> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >> >> *Office*: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >> >> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
My thoughts exactly because Im looking at replacing my powerv4 with a 1072 On 4/23/20 2:47 PM, Josh Baird wrote: Yeah - we need to see diagrams to see what is actually going on under the hood.. This is supposedly the "new 1009," so I suspect there are some limitations here. On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:42 PM Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote: So is Tilera now like PPC, they have moved on to ARM? Seems like you’d need to see the block diagram, are all those ports directly connected to the CPU, or via switch chips? And is this architected as a router, or a switch? *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Dennis Burgess via AF *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 2:34 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> *Cc:* Dennis Burgess mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Correction 12x 10Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces. *LTI-Full_175px* *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified * Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” *Link Technologies, Inc*-- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services *Office*: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net <http://www.linktechs.net/> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com <http://www.towercoverage.com> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Dennis Burgess via AF *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:18 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> *Cc:* Dennis Burgess mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out 10x 10 Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces 2x 25 Gigabit SFP28 Interfaces Quad Core ARM 64 bit CPU List price: $600 *LTI-Full_175px* *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified * Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” *Link Technologies, Inc*-- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services *Office*: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net <http://www.linktechs.net/> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com <http://www.towercoverage.com> -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
Yeah - we need to see diagrams to see what is actually going on under the hood.. This is supposedly the "new 1009," so I suspect there are some limitations here. On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:42 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > So is Tilera now like PPC, they have moved on to ARM? > > > > Seems like you’d need to see the block diagram, are all those ports > directly connected to the CPU, or via switch chips? And is this > architected as a router, or a switch? > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Dennis Burgess via AF > *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 2:34 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Cc:* Dennis Burgess > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > > > Correction 12x 10Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces. > > > > > > *[image: LTI-Full_175px]* > > > *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified TrainerMTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, > MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified * > > Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” > > *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > > *Office*: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > > Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Dennis Burgess via AF > *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:18 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Cc:* Dennis Burgess > *Subject:* [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > > > > > > > 10x 10 Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces > > 2x 25 Gigabit SFP28 Interfaces > > Quad Core ARM 64 bit CPU > > > > List price: $600 > > > > > > *[image: LTI-Full_175px]* > > > *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified TrainerMTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, > MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified * > > Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” > > *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > > *Office*: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > > Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
So is Tilera now like PPC, they have moved on to ARM? Seems like you'd need to see the block diagram, are all those ports directly connected to the CPU, or via switch chips? And is this architected as a router, or a switch? From: AF On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess via AF Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 2:34 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Dennis Burgess Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out Correction 12x 10Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces. Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: <http://www.linktechs.net/> http://www.linktechs.net Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess via AF Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:18 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Cc: Dennis Burgess mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net> > Subject: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out 10x 10 Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces 2x 25 Gigabit SFP28 Interfaces Quad Core ARM 64 bit CPU List price: $600 Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: <http://www.linktechs.net/> http://www.linktechs.net Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
Correction 12x 10Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces. [LTI-Full_175px] Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net/> Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com From: AF On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess via AF Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:18 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Dennis Burgess Subject: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out [cid:image003.png@01D6197C.2964CF80] 10x 10 Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces 2x 25 Gigabit SFP28 Interfaces Quad Core ARM 64 bit CPU List price: $600 [LTI-Full_175px] Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net/> Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
whats the comparison to 1072? On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 1:26 PM Dennis Burgess via AF wrote: > Yep, seeing the 8 port SFP+ model retail is 3k .. under 1k and more ports > and 25gig ports! > > > > What 64bit ARM CPU is supposed to do I guess! We have our stock ordered, > its not even on the MT product site yet. Will be a week or two before they > come in. We will have significant stock on them. > > > > > > *[image: LTI-Full_175px]* > > > *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, > MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified * > > Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” > > *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > > *Office*: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > > Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of * Steve Jones > *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:23 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out > > > > this thing is pretty cheap too isnt it > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 1:18 PM Dennis Burgess via AF > wrote: > > > > > > 10x 10 Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces > > 2x 25 Gigabit SFP28 Interfaces > > Quad Core ARM 64 bit CPU > > > > List price: $600 > > > > > > *[image: LTI-Full_175px]* > > > *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, > MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified * > > Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” > > *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > > *Office*: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > > Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
Yep, seeing the 8 port SFP+ model retail is 3k .. under 1k and more ports and 25gig ports! What 64bit ARM CPU is supposed to do I guess! We have our stock ordered, its not even on the MT product site yet. Will be a week or two before they come in. We will have significant stock on them. [LTI-Full_175px] Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net/> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com From: AF On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:23 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out this thing is pretty cheap too isnt it On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 1:18 PM Dennis Burgess via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote: [cid:image002.png@01D61972.AFFB3390] 10x 10 Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces 2x 25 Gigabit SFP28 Interfaces Quad Core ARM 64 bit CPU List price: $600 [LTI-Full_175px] Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net/> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com<http://www.towercoverage.com> -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
this thing is pretty cheap too isnt it On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 1:18 PM Dennis Burgess via AF wrote: > > > > > 10x 10 Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces > > 2x 25 Gigabit SFP28 Interfaces > > Quad Core ARM 64 bit CPU > > > > List price: $600 > > > > > > *[image: LTI-Full_175px]* > > > *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, > MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified * > > Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” > > *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > > *Office*: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > > Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
nm i see you had that too On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 1:23 PM Steve Jones wrote: > this thing is pretty cheap too isnt it > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 1:18 PM Dennis Burgess via AF > wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> 10x 10 Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces >> >> 2x 25 Gigabit SFP28 Interfaces >> >> Quad Core ARM 64 bit CPU >> >> >> >> List price: $600 >> >> >> >> >> >> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]* >> >> >> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, >> MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified * >> >> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” >> >> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >> >> *Office*: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >> >> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
