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Here you go Jeff... Not breakfast but dinner On Mon, Mar 27, 2023, 9:58 AM Rory Conaway wrote: > And not even close to accurate. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of * Jeff Broadwick - > Lists > *Sent:* Saturday, March 25, 2023 12:49 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun > > > > Stop it please. I enjoy this list for tidbits of industry info and it’s > friendly banter. I’m even interested in Jaime’s breakfast and weather > girls. > > > > If the politics was light and friendly, I’d be all in…this is anything but. > > Jeff Broadwick > > CTIconnect > > 312-205-2519 Office > > 574-220-7826 Cell > > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com > > > > On Mar 25, 2023, at 3:45 PM, Jan-GAMs wrote: > > > > Darin, the real challenge is the station the right-wingers watch. FOX. > Documented liars, well documented liars. They make shit up and present it > as fact. This has been admitted to by their owner Murdock. They make up > news just to drive their advertisement income. Why the hell should anyone > watch that channel is beyond belief. The problem is, this has been a known > factoid for years, FOX makes shit up and presents it as news. Until > Congress makes laws concerning what a so-called "NEWS" channel can present > as truth and still have a license to broadcast, I'm never going to trust > any "NEWS" source. Especially FOX. Reagan did away with the "Fairness > Doctrine" back in the '80's, which more or less ended news reporting facts > and brought in news reporting as hype. Facts and news have been at odds > since Roger Ailes left the Nixon WH and started up FOX news. Real news may > never recover. > > On 3/25/23 11:02, Darin Steffl wrote: > > Evan and others, > > > > You guys really are delusional if you don't see what the Republicans are > doing to strip away rights. At least call them out if you're going to vote > their way. > > > > Everything I shared were statements of fact easily verified with a Google > search with reputable sources. > > > > It's sad that I can share facts and then some want to shut down the > conversation. Is that because you don't want to be wrong or don't think > you're associated with people who hold more extreme views than you? > > > > I'm asking you not to be complicit in the hate that's in the republican > party. Speak out and tell your representatives to stop attacking people. Be > kind and empathetic. > > > > Evan, why are you worried about me for calling out hateful people? I'm > worried for you if you think that's wrong for me to do. You should be > against all the attacks on human rights too. I believe you and your wife, > Sandra, to be good people. But there are some on the right who would tell > your wife to go back to her country because they're xenophobic and racist. > Wouldn't that bother you if someone said that to your wife? > > > > Call out the bad that any party partakes in. During the Floyd riots, I > didn't agree with any violence or destruction of property and I'm in full > support of people being arrested who committed crimes. Same with the people > on January 6. But why does the right think January 6 was a peaceful tour > and no one should be arrested? It's hypocritical. > > > > Same with law enforcement. We shouldn't support any profession > unconditionally. That's dangerous. I support good cops but think we should > hold bad ones accountable. This is all common sense stuff but the right > thinks all cops are good which is false. There's bad people in every > profession so let's weed them out. I have some sick friends and family that > think the murder of George Floyd was justified, even after watching the > full video of him being suffocated!! Sick people with sick minds. > > > > The rest of the world watches our country with disgust that half the > people hate themselves and their country so much that they continue to vote > republican. The new republican party is far more different and extreme than > the old one, which was somewhat reasonable and bipartisan. > > > > There is no question that democrats are better for all people in terms of > human rights, equality, and protections against employers and corporations. > They pass more bills to protect people, the environment, and the world than > the right. That does NOT mean the party is perfect and that there aren't > shady politicians on both sides. It all comes back to calling out the bad > things either party tries to do so we end up in the middle. > > > > Being in the middle, centrist, should not be an extreme view. The facts > and opinions I sh
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And not even close to accurate. Rory From: AF On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2023 12:49 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun Stop it please. I enjoy this list for tidbits of industry info and it’s friendly banter. I’m even interested in Jaime’s breakfast and weather girls. If the politics was light and friendly, I’d be all in…this is anything but. Jeff Broadwick CTIconnect 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@cticonnect.com<mailto:jbroadw...@cticonnect.com> On Mar 25, 2023, at 3:45 PM, Jan-GAMs mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net>> wrote: Darin, the real challenge is the station the right-wingers watch. FOX. Documented liars, well documented liars. They make shit up and present it as fact. This has been admitted to by their owner Murdock. They make up news just to drive their advertisement income. Why the hell should anyone watch that channel is beyond belief. The problem is, this has been a known factoid for years, FOX makes shit up and presents it as news. Until Congress makes laws concerning what a so-called "NEWS" channel can present as truth and still have a license to broadcast, I'm never going to trust any "NEWS" source. Especially FOX. Reagan did away with the "Fairness Doctrine" back in the '80's, which more or less ended news reporting facts and brought in news reporting as hype. Facts and news have been at odds since Roger Ailes left the Nixon WH and started up FOX news. Real news may never recover. On 3/25/23 11:02, Darin Steffl wrote: Evan and others, You guys really are delusional if you don't see what the Republicans are doing to strip away rights. At least call them out if you're going to vote their way. Everything I shared were statements of fact easily verified with a Google search with reputable sources. It's sad that I can share facts and then some want to shut down the conversation. Is that because you don't want to be wrong or don't think you're associated with people who hold more extreme views than you? I'm asking you not to be complicit in the hate that's in the republican party. Speak out and tell your representatives to stop attacking people. Be kind and empathetic. Evan, why are you worried about me for calling out hateful people? I'm worried for you if you think that's wrong for me to do. You should be against all the attacks on human rights too. I believe you and your wife, Sandra, to be good people. But there are some on the right who would tell your wife to go back to her country because they're xenophobic and racist. Wouldn't that bother you if someone said that to your wife? Call out the bad that any party partakes in. During the Floyd riots, I didn't agree with any violence or destruction of property and I'm in full support of people being arrested who committed crimes. Same with the people on January 6. But why does the right think January 6 was a peaceful tour and no one should be arrested? It's hypocritical. Same with law enforcement. We shouldn't support any profession unconditionally. That's dangerous. I support good cops but think we should hold bad ones accountable. This is all common sense stuff but the right thinks all cops are good which is false. There's bad people in every profession so let's weed them out. I have some sick friends and family that think the murder of George Floyd was justified, even after watching the full video of him being suffocated!! Sick people with sick minds. The rest of the world watches our country with disgust that half the people hate themselves and their country so much that they continue to vote republican. The new republican party is far more different and extreme than the old one, which was somewhat reasonable and bipartisan. There is no question that democrats are better for all people in terms of human rights, equality, and protections against employers and corporations. They pass more bills to protect people, the environment, and the world than the right. That does NOT mean the party is perfect and that there aren't shady politicians on both sides. It all comes back to calling out the bad things either party tries to do so we end up in the middle. Being in the middle, centrist, should not be an extreme view. The facts and opinions I shared are centrist views so if you think I'm crazy or you're offended, it's likely that your views are more extreme than you think. I could list more than enough Democrat ideas I don't agree with and just as many fiscal republican ideas I do agree with. On Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 12:03 PM Robert mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote: What we have here is a failure to communicate. I may sound like a c theorist but what we have is two oligarchical factions that are fighting for control of an electoral mass of minds and using all the propaganda tools to manage that. The Monster money from both
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Delete messages? Are you one of those weirdos with a tidy email box? On Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 3:34 PM Craig House wrote: > I'm here for the help I get from WISP guys and to give help if I can. I > couldn't care less about your or anyone that opposes your views political > opinion. If I want that I will go to social media. If you cant be civil > to those that disagree with you your no better than the hate you espouse > the other side is full of. I dont need to come here for that > divisiveness. If all I'm doing is deleting messages then I dont see the > point in being here to search through the garbage for valuable insights. > Please know when to stop (usually after 4-5 others ask you nicely to) > > > > -- > *From: *"Jan-GAMs" > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > *Sent: *Saturday, March 25, 2023 2:37:42 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It has begun > > Darin, the real challenge is the station the right-wingers watch. FOX. > Documented liars, well documented liars. They make shit up and present it > as fact. This has been admitted to by their owner Murdock. They make up > news just to drive their advertisement income. Why the hell should anyone > watch that channel is beyond belief. The problem is, this has been a known > factoid for years, FOX makes shit up and presents it as news. Until > Congress makes laws concerning what a so-called "NEWS" channel can present > as truth and still have a license to broadcast, I'm never going to trust > any "NEWS" source. Especially FOX. Reagan did away with the "Fairness > Doctrine" back in the '80's, which more or less ended news reporting facts > and brought in news reporting as hype. Facts and news have been at odds > since Roger Ailes left the Nixon WH and started up FOX news. Real news may > never recover. > On 3/25/23 11:02, Darin Steffl wrote: > > Evan and others, > > You guys really are delusional if you don't see what the Republicans are > doing to strip away rights. At least call them out if you're going to vote > their way. > > Everything I shared were statements of fact easily verified with a Google > search with reputable sources. > > It's sad that I can share facts and then some want to shut down the > conversation. Is that because you don't want to be wrong or don't think > you're associated with people who hold more extreme views than you? > > I'm asking you not to be complicit in the hate that's in the republican > party. Speak out and tell your representatives to stop attacking people. Be > kind and empathetic. > > Evan, why are you worried about me for calling out hateful people? I'm > worried for you if you think that's wrong for me to do. You should be > against all the attacks on human rights too. I believe you and your wife, > Sandra, to be good people. But there are some on the right who would tell > your wife to go back to her country because they're xenophobic and racist. > Wouldn't that bother you if someone said that to your wife? > > Call out the bad that any party partakes in. During the Floyd riots, I > didn't agree with any violence or destruction of property and I'm in full > support of people being arrested who committed crimes. Same with the people > on January 6. But why does the right think January 6 was a peaceful tour > and no one should be arrested? It's hypocritical. > > Same with law enforcement. We shouldn't support any profession > unconditionally. That's dangerous. I support good cops but think we should > hold bad ones accountable. This is all common sense stuff but the right > thinks all cops are good which is false. There's bad people in every > profession so let's weed them out. I have some sick friends and family that > think the murder of George Floyd was justified, even after watching the > full video of him being suffocated!! Sick people with sick minds. > > The rest of the world watches our country with disgust that half the > people hate themselves and their country so much that they continue to vote > republican. The new republican party is far more different and extreme than > the old one, which was somewhat reasonable and bipartisan. > > There is no question that democrats are better for all people in terms of > human rights, equality, and protections against employers and corporations. > They pass more bills to protect people, the environment, and the world than > the right. That does NOT mean the party is perfect and that there aren't > shady politicians on both sides. It all comes back to calling out the bad > things either party tries to do so we end up in the middle. > > Being in the middle, centrist, should not be an extreme view. The facts > and opinions I
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I'm here for the help I get from WISP guys and to give help if I can. I couldn't care less about your or anyone that opposes your views political opinion. If I want that I will go to social media. If you cant be civil to those that disagree with you your no better than the hate you espouse the other side is full of. I dont need to come here for that divisiveness. If all I'm doing is deleting messages then I dont see the point in being here to search through the garbage for valuable insights. Please know when to stop (usually after 4-5 others ask you nicely to) From: "Jan-GAMs" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2023 2:37:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun Darin, the real challenge is the station the right-wingers watch. FOX. Documented liars, well documented liars. They make shit up and present it as fact. This has been admitted to by their owner Murdock. They make up news just to drive their advertisement income. Why the hell should anyone watch that channel is beyond belief. The problem is, this has been a known factoid for years, FOX makes shit up and presents it as news. Until Congress makes laws concerning what a so-called "NEWS" channel can present as truth and still have a license to broadcast, I'm never going to trust any "NEWS" source. Especially FOX. Reagan did away with the "Fairness Doctrine" back in the '80's, which more or less ended news reporting facts and brought in news reporting as hype. Facts and news have been at odds since Roger Ailes left the Nixon WH and started up FOX news. Real news may never recover. On 3/25/23 11:02, Darin Steffl wrote: Evan and others, You guys really are delusional if you don't see what the Republicans are doing to strip away rights. At least call them out if you're going to vote their way. Everything I shared were statements of fact easily verified with a Google search with reputable sources. It's sad that I can share facts and then some want to shut down the conversation. Is that because you don't want to be wrong or don't think you're associated with people who hold more extreme views than you? I'm asking you not to be complicit in the hate that's in the republican party. Speak out and tell your representatives to stop attacking people. Be kind and empathetic. Evan, why are you worried about me for calling out hateful people? I'm worried for you if you think that's wrong for me to do. You should be against all the attacks on human rights too. I believe you and your wife, Sandra, to be good people. But there are some on the right who would tell your wife to go back to her country because they're xenophobic and racist. Wouldn't that bother you if someone said that to your wife? Call out the bad that any party partakes in. During the Floyd riots, I didn't agree with any violence or destruction of property and I'm in full support of people being arrested who committed crimes. Same with the people on January 6. But why does the right think January 6 was a peaceful tour and no one should be arrested? It's hypocritical. Same with law enforcement. We shouldn't support any profession unconditionally. That's dangerous. I support good cops but think we should hold bad ones accountable. This is all common sense stuff but the right thinks all cops are good which is false. There's bad people in every profession so let's weed them out. I have some sick friends and family that think the murder of George Floyd was justified, even after watching the full video of him being suffocated!! Sick people with sick minds. The rest of the world watches our country with disgust that half the people hate themselves and their country so much that they continue to vote republican. The new republican party is far more different and extreme than the old one, which was somewhat reasonable and bipartisan. There is no question that democrats are better for all people in terms of human rights, equality, and protections against employers and corporations. They pass more bills to protect people, the environment, and the world than the right. That does NOT mean the party is perfect and that there aren't shady politicians on both sides. It all comes back to calling out the bad things either party tries to do so we end up in the middle. Being in the middle, centrist, should not be an extreme view. The facts and opinions I shared are centrist views so if you think I'm crazy or you're offended, it's likely that your views are more extreme than you think. I could list more than enough Democrat ideas I don't agree with and just as many fiscal republican ideas I do agree with. On Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 12:03 PM Robert < [ mailto:i...@avantwireless.com | i...@avantwireless.com ] > wrote: BQ_BEGIN What we have here is a failure to communicate. I may sound like a c theorist but what we have is two oligarchical factions that
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ther party tries to do so we end up in the middle. Being in the middle, centrist, should not be an extreme view. The facts and opinions I shared are centrist views so if you think I'm crazy or you're offended, it's likely that your views are more extreme than you think. I could list more than enough Democrat ideas I don't agree with and just as many fiscal republican ideas I do agree with. On Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 12:03 PM Robert wrote: What we have here is a failure to communicate. I may sound like a c theorist but what we have is two oligarchical factions that are fighting for control of an electoral mass of minds and using all the propaganda tools to manage that. The Monster money from both "factions" (because they aren't really one side so much or the other) is just used to manage the political resources. It's all about maintaining their wealth. Evidence of this is overwhelming when you look at the tax votes. The dems made noise about the reduction in wealth taxes but didn't _actually_ do anything about it. And Bidens announcements about tax the rich are posturing, not a snowballs chance in hell of going anywhere.. Right side is about keeping the worker bees slaving away with promises of easier ways to wealth and fear mongering, Left is about keeping the worker bees hoping for better care and fear mongering... On 3/25/23 9:42 AM, Steve Jones wrote: nail on the head On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 11:38 AM Mike Hammett wrote: The problem is not left vs. right, it's authortarianism vs. liberty. Authoritarian left and authoritarian right are equally bad. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> *From: *"Darin Steffl" *To: *"Mike Hammett" *Cc: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" *Sent: *Saturday, March 25, 2023 10:35:43 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It has begun So Mike, You're saying the far right is better with your "no" response? The far right includes nazis, racists, homophobes who all want to use violence to kill jews, people of color, gay and trans people, liberals, and more. I don't know how you can seriously sit here and say that's better than the non-violent things the far left wants to do. Antifa isn't even real so don't bring in fake news. What's real are the people who stormed the Capitol, proud boys, and lots of violent people who came out of the woodwork after trump was elected. I'm still in the middle overall but I will always vote for human rights and protections before I vote to benefit myself fiscally. I'm not a single issue voter so I don't only vote on tax issues. I vote for people who protect people and that's overwhelmingly democrats. Moderate ones are my choice. I've never voted for Bernie but he's still a good guy who cares. Biden wasn't my choice but he's way better than trump. I wanted Amy Klobuchar or Pete Buttigieg personally. I think Pete will be president sometime in the next 3 elections. Oh, the other thing that came of trump are some extremists in congress being elected in 2022. They were a result of trump crying the 2020 election was stolen and he riled up the base to give him money, stealing from his supporters. And the most crazy ones ran and won in some cases. So now there's some nut jobs in congress, more than the old ones who won't retire. Then more far right supporters started infiltrating school boards and city councils to white wash history. They want to ban anything that teaches real history because they don't want their kids to know about slavery and racism, native Americans. They want to teach kids that white man discovered America first lol. And now they're trying to ban books in schools and public libraries that they don't like. Books that show a kid having two moms or dads for example. They
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Seriously, man, LENT Fuck... From: Jan-GAMs Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2023 1:37 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun Darin, the real challenge is the station the right-wingers watch. FOX. Documented liars, well documented liars. They make shit up and present it as fact. This has been admitted to by their owner Murdock. They make up news just to drive their advertisement income. Why the hell should anyone watch that channel is beyond belief. The problem is, this has been a known factoid for years, FOX makes shit up and presents it as news. Until Congress makes laws concerning what a so-called "NEWS" channel can present as truth and still have a license to broadcast, I'm never going to trust any "NEWS" source. Especially FOX. Reagan did away with the "Fairness Doctrine" back in the '80's, which more or less ended news reporting facts and brought in news reporting as hype. Facts and news have been at odds since Roger Ailes left the Nixon WH and started up FOX news. Real news may never recover. On 3/25/23 11:02, Darin Steffl wrote: Evan and others, You guys really are delusional if you don't see what the Republicans are doing to strip away rights. At least call them out if you're going to vote their way. Everything I shared were statements of fact easily verified with a Google search with reputable sources. It's sad that I can share facts and then some want to shut down the conversation. Is that because you don't want to be wrong or don't think you're associated with people who hold more extreme views than you? I'm asking you not to be complicit in the hate that's in the republican party. Speak out and tell your representatives to stop attacking people. Be kind and empathetic. Evan, why are you worried about me for calling out hateful people? I'm worried for you if you think that's wrong for me to do. You should be against all the attacks on human rights too. I believe you and your wife, Sandra, to be good people. But there are some on the right who would tell your wife to go back to her country because they're xenophobic and racist. Wouldn't that bother you if someone said that to your wife? Call out the bad that any party partakes in. During the Floyd riots, I didn't agree with any violence or destruction of property and I'm in full support of people being arrested who committed crimes. Same with the people on January 6. But why does the right think January 6 was a peaceful tour and no one should be arrested? It's hypocritical. Same with law enforcement. We shouldn't support any profession unconditionally. That's dangerous. I support good cops but think we should hold bad ones accountable. This is all common sense stuff but the right thinks all cops are good which is false. There's bad people in every profession so let's weed them out. I have some sick friends and family that think the murder of George Floyd was justified, even after watching the full video of him being suffocated!! Sick people with sick minds. The rest of the world watches our country with disgust that half the people hate themselves and their country so much that they continue to vote republican. The new republican party is far more different and extreme than the old one, which was somewhat reasonable and bipartisan. There is no question that democrats are better for all people in terms of human rights, equality, and protections against employers and corporations. They pass more bills to protect people, the environment, and the world than the right. That does NOT mean the party is perfect and that there aren't shady politicians on both sides. It all comes back to calling out the bad things either party tries to do so we end up in the middle. Being in the middle, centrist, should not be an extreme view. The facts and opinions I shared are centrist views so if you think I'm crazy or you're offended, it's likely that your views are more extreme than you think. I could list more than enough Democrat ideas I don't agree with and just as many fiscal republican ideas I do agree with. On Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 12:03 PM Robert wrote: What we have here is a failure to communicate. I may sound like a c theorist but what we have is two oligarchical factions that are fighting for control of an electoral mass of minds and using all the propaganda tools to manage that. The Monster money from both "factions" (because they aren't really one side so much or the other) is just used to manage the political resources. It's all about maintaining their wealth. Evidence of this is overwhelming when you look at the tax votes. The dems made noise about the reduction in wealth taxes but didn't _actually_ do anything about it. And Bidens announcements about tax the rich are posturing, not a snowballs chance in hell of going anywhere.. Right side is about keeping the worker bees s
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more extreme than you think. I
could list more than enough Democrat ideas I don't agree with
and just as many fiscal republican ideas I do agree with.
On Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 12:03 PM
Robert <i...@avantwireless.com>
wrote:
What we have here is a failure
to communicate. I may sound like a c theorist but what
we have is two oligarchical factions that are fighting for
control of an electoral mass of minds and using all the
propaganda tools to manage that. The Monster money from
both "factions" (because they aren't really one side so
much or the other) is just used to manage the political
resources. It's all about maintaining their wealth.
Evidence of this is overwhelming when you look at the tax
votes. The dems made noise about the reduction in wealth
taxes but didn't _actually_ do anything about it. And
Bidens announcements about tax the rich are posturing, not
a snowballs chance in hell of going anywhere.. Right side
is about keeping the worker bees slaving away with
promises of easier ways to wealth and fear mongering, Left
is about keeping the worker bees hoping for better care
and fear mongering...
On 3/25/23 9:42 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
nail on the head
On Sat, Mar 25, 2023
at 11:38 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net>
wrote:
The
problem is not left vs. right, it's
authortarianism vs. liberty.
Authoritarian left and authoritarian right
are equally bad.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent
Computing Solutions
Midwest
Internet Exchange
The
Brothers WISP
From:
"Darin Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
To: "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net>
Cc: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2023
10:35:43 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun
So Mike,
You're saying the far
right is better with your "no" response?
The far right includes
nazis, racists, homophobes who all want
to use violence to kill jews, people of
color, gay and trans people, liberals,
and more.
I don't know how you can
seriously sit here and say that's better
than the non-violent things the far left
wants to do. Antifa isn't even real so
don't bring in fake news. What's real
are the people who stormed the Capitol,
proud boys, and lots of violent people
who came out of the woodwork after trump
was elected.
I'm still in the middle
overall but I will always vote for human
rights and protections before I vote to
benefit myself fiscally. I'm not a
single issue voter so I don't only vote
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g for better care and fear
mongering...
On 3/25/23 9:42 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
nail on the head
On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 11:38 AM Mike Hammett
wrote:
The problem is not left vs. right, it's authortarianism vs.
liberty.
Authoritarian left and authoritarian right are equally bad.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
*From: *"Darin Steffl"
*To: *"Mike Hammett"
*Cc: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
*Sent: *Saturday, March 25, 2023 10:35:43 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It has begun
So Mike,
You're saying the far right is better with your "no" response?
The far right includes nazis, racists, homophobes who all
want to use violence to kill jews, people of color, gay and
trans people, liberals, and more.
I don't know how you can seriously sit here and say that's
better than the non-violent things the far left wants to do.
Antifa isn't even real so don't bring in fake news. What's
real are the people who stormed the Capitol, proud boys, and
lots of violent people who came out of the woodwork after
trump was elected.
I'm still in the middle overall but I will always vote for
human rights and protections before I vote to benefit myself
fiscally. I'm not a single issue voter so I don't only vote
on tax issues. I vote for people who protect people and
that's overwhelmingly democrats. Moderate ones are my choice.
I've never voted for Bernie but he's still a good guy who
cares. Biden wasn't my choice but he's way better than trump.
I wanted Amy Klobuchar or Pete Buttigieg personally. I think
Pete will be president sometime in the next 3 elections.
Oh, the other thing that came of trump are some extremists in
congress being elected in 2022. They were a result of trump
crying the 2020 election was stolen and he riled up the base
to give him money, stealing from his supporters. And the most
crazy ones ran and won in some cases. So now there's some nut
jobs in congress, more than the old ones who won't retire.
Then more far right supporters started infiltrating school
boards and city councils to white wash history. They want to
ban anything that teaches real history because they don't
want their kids to know about slavery and racism, native
Americans. They want to teach kids that white man discovered
America first lol.
And now they're trying to ban books in schools and public
libraries that they don't like. Books that show a kid having
two moms or dads for example. They don't wany any pride
flags, pins, or stickers anywhere in school because they
somehow think that will make a kid gay. They act like you
aren't born straight, gay, bi and that it's actually a choice ha.
And don't get me started on them trying force their religious
beliefs on everyone else. And now their target is trans
people and drag queens to "protect the kids" while they take
their kid to Hooters, or worse, church where there's an
infinitely higher chance of being sexually assaulted by a
pastor, staff, or volunteer. There isn't a single case of a
drag queen being charged with SA but there's thousands of
church people that have been charged and tens of thousands
never charged because it's swept under the rug.
The right is actively stripping away rights of Americans and
getting away with it in many red states. Abortion too. Way to
control women you sick republican men!
Over 385 anti-lgbt bills have been proposed at the state
level. And who proposed them? All Republicans. You can't say
with a straight face that they care about anyone. There's no
empathy. Just hate and fear of those different from them.
I've watched fox and it's nothing but fear mongering to rile
up their base and keep they eyeballs
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https://news.emory.edu/stories/2021/09/esc_left_wing_authoritarians_psychology/campus.html From: Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2023 1:22 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/psychological-dimensions-left-wing-authoritarianism/620185/ From: Jan-GAMs Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2023 1:18 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun That has never happened. It's always been authoritarian Right. The left has never been in charge anywhere because hate and fear is a stronger emotion for ignorant people. And because big-business rules our government. So why is AI not answering the question: How do you feel? Is that because it's AI or is that because AI doesn't want you to know? On 3/25/23 09:37, Mike Hammett wrote: The problem is not left vs. right, it's authortarianism vs. liberty. Authoritarian left and authoritarian right are equally bad. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -- From: "Darin Steffl" mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com To: "Mike Hammett" mailto:af...@ics-il.net Cc: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2023 10:35:43 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun So Mike, You're saying the far right is better with your "no" response? The far right includes nazis, racists, homophobes who all want to use violence to kill jews, people of color, gay and trans people, liberals, and more. I don't know how you can seriously sit here and say that's better than the non-violent things the far left wants to do. Antifa isn't even real so don't bring in fake news. What's real are the people who stormed the Capitol, proud boys, and lots of violent people who came out of the woodwork after trump was elected. I'm still in the middle overall but I will always vote for human rights and protections before I vote to benefit myself fiscally. I'm not a single issue voter so I don't only vote on tax issues. I vote for people who protect people and that's overwhelmingly democrats. Moderate ones are my choice. I've never voted for Bernie but he's still a good guy who cares. Biden wasn't my choice but he's way better than trump. I wanted Amy Klobuchar or Pete Buttigieg personally. I think Pete will be president sometime in the next 3 elections. Oh, the other thing that came of trump are some extremists in congress being elected in 2022. They were a result of trump crying the 2020 election was stolen and he riled up the base to give him money, stealing from his supporters. And the most crazy ones ran and won in some cases. So now there's some nut jobs in congress, more than the old ones who won't retire. Then more far right supporters started infiltrating school boards and city councils to white wash history. They want to ban anything that teaches real history because they don't want their kids to know about slavery and racism, native Americans. They want to teach kids that white man discovered America first lol. And now they're trying to ban books in schools and public libraries that they don't like. Books that show a kid having two moms or dads for example. They don't wany any pride flags, pins, or stickers anywhere in school because they somehow think that will make a kid gay. They act like you aren't born straight, gay, bi and that it's actually a choice ha. And don't get me started on them trying force their religious beliefs on everyone else. And now their target is trans people and drag queens to "protect the kids" while they take their kid to Hooters, or worse, church where there's an infinitely higher chance of being sexually assaulted by a pastor, staff, or volunteer. There isn't a single case of a drag queen being charged with SA but there's thousands of church people that have been charged and tens of thousands never charged because it's swept under the rug. The right is actively stripping away rights of Americans and getting away with it in many red states. Abortion too. Way to control women you sick republican men! Over 385 anti-lgbt bills have been proposed at the state level. And who proposed them? All Republicans. You can't say with a straight face that they care about anyone. There's no empathy. Just hate and fear of those different from them. I've watched fox and it's nothing but fear mongering to rile up their base and keep they eyeballs glued to their channel. They scare their viewers everyday and it's always a "war on something" with them. While I agree with some fiscal ideas Republicans have, they will never get my vote as long as they hate America and it's people. Gen Z will completely annihilate their
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https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/psychological-dimensions-left-wing-authoritarianism/620185/ From: Jan-GAMs Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2023 1:18 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun That has never happened. It's always been authoritarian Right. The left has never been in charge anywhere because hate and fear is a stronger emotion for ignorant people. And because big-business rules our government. So why is AI not answering the question: How do you feel? Is that because it's AI or is that because AI doesn't want you to know? On 3/25/23 09:37, Mike Hammett wrote: The problem is not left vs. right, it's authortarianism vs. liberty. Authoritarian left and authoritarian right are equally bad. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -- From: "Darin Steffl" mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com To: "Mike Hammett" mailto:af...@ics-il.net Cc: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2023 10:35:43 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun So Mike, You're saying the far right is better with your "no" response? The far right includes nazis, racists, homophobes who all want to use violence to kill jews, people of color, gay and trans people, liberals, and more. I don't know how you can seriously sit here and say that's better than the non-violent things the far left wants to do. Antifa isn't even real so don't bring in fake news. What's real are the people who stormed the Capitol, proud boys, and lots of violent people who came out of the woodwork after trump was elected. I'm still in the middle overall but I will always vote for human rights and protections before I vote to benefit myself fiscally. I'm not a single issue voter so I don't only vote on tax issues. I vote for people who protect people and that's overwhelmingly democrats. Moderate ones are my choice. I've never voted for Bernie but he's still a good guy who cares. Biden wasn't my choice but he's way better than trump. I wanted Amy Klobuchar or Pete Buttigieg personally. I think Pete will be president sometime in the next 3 elections. Oh, the other thing that came of trump are some extremists in congress being elected in 2022. They were a result of trump crying the 2020 election was stolen and he riled up the base to give him money, stealing from his supporters. And the most crazy ones ran and won in some cases. So now there's some nut jobs in congress, more than the old ones who won't retire. Then more far right supporters started infiltrating school boards and city councils to white wash history. They want to ban anything that teaches real history because they don't want their kids to know about slavery and racism, native Americans. They want to teach kids that white man discovered America first lol. And now they're trying to ban books in schools and public libraries that they don't like. Books that show a kid having two moms or dads for example. They don't wany any pride flags, pins, or stickers anywhere in school because they somehow think that will make a kid gay. They act like you aren't born straight, gay, bi and that it's actually a choice ha. And don't get me started on them trying force their religious beliefs on everyone else. And now their target is trans people and drag queens to "protect the kids" while they take their kid to Hooters, or worse, church where there's an infinitely higher chance of being sexually assaulted by a pastor, staff, or volunteer. There isn't a single case of a drag queen being charged with SA but there's thousands of church people that have been charged and tens of thousands never charged because it's swept under the rug. The right is actively stripping away rights of Americans and getting away with it in many red states. Abortion too. Way to control women you sick republican men! Over 385 anti-lgbt bills have been proposed at the state level. And who proposed them? All Republicans. You can't say with a straight face that they care about anyone. There's no empathy. Just hate and fear of those different from them. I've watched fox and it's nothing but fear mongering to rile up their base and keep they eyeballs glued to their channel. They scare their viewers everyday and it's always a "war on something" with them. While I agree with some fiscal ideas Republicans have, they will never get my vote as long as they hate America and it's people. Gen Z will completely annihilate their party and they're likely going to lose every election going forward if they don't pivot immediately. They'll only win state and local elections in rural areas where there's a bunch of red voters who continue to vote against themselves. https:
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That has never happened. It's always been authoritarian Right. The left has never been in charge anywhere because hate and fear is a stronger emotion for ignorant people. And because big-business rules our government. So why is AI not answering the question: How do you feel? Is that because it's AI or is that because AI doesn't want you to know? On 3/25/23 09:37, Mike Hammett wrote: The problem is not left vs. right, it's authortarianism vs. liberty. Authoritarian left and authoritarian right are equally bad. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> *From: *"Darin Steffl" *To: *"Mike Hammett" *Cc: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" *Sent: *Saturday, March 25, 2023 10:35:43 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It has begun So Mike, You're saying the far right is better with your "no" response? The far right includes nazis, racists, homophobes who all want to use violence to kill jews, people of color, gay and trans people, liberals, and more. I don't know how you can seriously sit here and say that's better than the non-violent things the far left wants to do. Antifa isn't even real so don't bring in fake news. What's real are the people who stormed the Capitol, proud boys, and lots of violent people who came out of the woodwork after trump was elected. I'm still in the middle overall but I will always vote for human rights and protections before I vote to benefit myself fiscally. I'm not a single issue voter so I don't only vote on tax issues. I vote for people who protect people and that's overwhelmingly democrats. Moderate ones are my choice. I've never voted for Bernie but he's still a good guy who cares. Biden wasn't my choice but he's way better than trump. I wanted Amy Klobuchar or Pete Buttigieg personally. I think Pete will be president sometime in the next 3 elections. Oh, the other thing that came of trump are some extremists in congress being elected in 2022. They were a result of trump crying the 2020 election was stolen and he riled up the base to give him money, stealing from his supporters. And the most crazy ones ran and won in some cases. So now there's some nut jobs in congress, more than the old ones who won't retire. Then more far right supporters started infiltrating school boards and city councils to white wash history. They want to ban anything that teaches real history because they don't want their kids to know about slavery and racism, native Americans. They want to teach kids that white man discovered America first lol. And now they're trying to ban books in schools and public libraries that they don't like. Books that show a kid having two moms or dads for example. They don't wany any pride flags, pins, or stickers anywhere in school because they somehow think that will make a kid gay. They act like you aren't born straight, gay, bi and that it's actually a choice ha. And don't get me started on them trying force their religious beliefs on everyone else. And now their target is trans people and drag queens to "protect the kids" while they take their kid to Hooters, or worse, church where there's an infinitely higher chance of being sexually assaulted by a pastor, staff, or volunteer. There isn't a single case of a drag queen being charged with SA but there's thousands of church people that have been charged and tens of thousands never charged because it's swept under the rug. The right is actively stripping away rights of Americans and getting away with it in many red states. Abortion too. Way to control women you sick republican men! Over 385 anti-lgbt bills have been proposed at the state level. And who proposed them? All Republicans. You can't say with a straight face that they care about anyone. There's no empathy. Just hate and fear of those different from them. I've watched fox and it's nothing but fear mongering to rile up their base and keep they eyeballs glued to their channel. They scare their viewers everyday and it's always a "war on something" with them. While I agree with some fiscal ideas Republicans have, they will never get my vote as long as they hate America and it's people. Gen Z will completely annihilate their party and the
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One parting shot: “If Bernie had won “ won exactly what, the throne? Like magic Bernie could get congress and scotus to do all this wonderful socialistic litany of things you covet? Didn’t realize presidents had that power. Wow, who knew! (BTW Jan, Darrin, I remember the Weather Underground, the Symbionese Liberation Army, Students for Democratic Society, United Freedom Front etc etc. How about FARC and Shining Path? INLA of Ireland... Claiming the left does not do bad things like the right does is simply unfounded and willful ignorance. ) Now, back to our regular programming. From: Jan-GAMs Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2023 1:01 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun If Bernie had won there would be no college debt, your first four years would be covered. Health-care would be free for all. Women would be equal with rights as men instead of subservient to. My daughters would not be living in fear and looking for a path out of here. Pharmacies would not be able to charge 4,000% profit and get away with it. And impositional religiosity would be pushed up the ass of those who attempt to impose it. Yes, left is way better than right. Left don't burn books, paint swastikas on other peoples homes and cars and don't threaten their neighbors with lynching. On 3/24/23 14:54, Darin Steffl wrote: The extreme left is still better than the extreme right. I don't agree with either sides' extremes but if I had to pick one side, everyone being taken care of, like socialism, I'd pick that over the extreme right who wants to murder anyone different than them. Like far right pastors and supporters who call for violence and murder of gay people, people of color, and liberals. I can find thousands of posts and video from Republicans calling for sick things but very few liberals saying the same things. I don't see far left people calling for violence and murder of people they disagree with. So while there are two sides, one side is better than the other, as in less violent and extreme. I'd take free college for all, free Healthcare, and more from the extreme left over the extreme right who wants to ban books, kill people they disagree with, try to overturn elections, cheat, lie, steal, etc. Again, the left is the better choice when it comes to empathy and taking care of people. While an average republican might not agree with the far right, their silence is the same as being complicit in their sick beliefs. At least an average Democrat calls out the far left people like I do. I don't agree in wiping out all student loans, for example. And I've contacted democrats I've voted for to voice my opinions. I don't see Republicans calling out far right politicians who are spewing hate everyday. I wish they would but since they aren't, I assume they agree with the hate speech and calls for violence. The right is far sicker than the left in every regard. Donald being elected over Hillary will go down in history as one of the worst political events in our country. We would be a much nicer and stable country if Hillary won. The racists, bigots, and violent people would mostly be hiding still but Donald gave them permission to act out their hate when he was elected. It's very sad. People who still support Donald are bullies and hate America at this point. On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Ouchie! You called me the C word... From: Robert Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 3:32 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun exactly this... What I have learned is there is such a thing as a good cult, which is what I consider the Mormon church to be. They have a few extreme points of view but on the whole they treat everyone ( now including other races ) reasonably... And they care about kids and back it up. On 3/24/23 2:12 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I loved what the Gov of Utah told a bunch of school kids yesterday. “Republicans are wrong about Democrats and Democrats are wrong about Republicans. Why? Here’s why — because, what we’re doing now is we’re only listening to the most extreme voices in those parties. So Republicans are only listening to the craziest Democrats and assuming that all Democrats are like that. Democrats are only listening to the craziest Republicans and assuming all Republicans are like that. When the difference between the average Democrat and the average Republican, really isn’t that big.” From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 12:37 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun There's no meaningful difference between authoritarian left and authoritarian right, which are what catch the most attention. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP
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Kind of like "The Wicker Man"? On 3/24/23 21:14, Steve Jones wrote: That's the shit jehovah's witness tried doing with me. Some real cult like stalking shit. I went to service once and they had the chairs in a half circle with me and her in the front center. Crazy On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 10:30 PM Robert wrote: But it's a good C... The one that I contemplated joining in my 20's when they dangled a very cute girl in front of me... On 3/24/23 6:22 PM, Steve Jones wrote: Shots fired. On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Ouchie! You called me the C word... *From:* Robert *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 3:32 PM *To:* af@af.afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun exactly this... What I have learned is there is such a thing as a good cult, which is what I consider the Mormon church to be. They have a few extreme points of view but on the whole they treat everyone ( now including other races ) reasonably... And they care about kids and back it up. On 3/24/23 2:12 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I loved what the Gov of Utah told a bunch of school kids yesterday. “Republicans are wrong about Democratsand Democrats are wrong about Republicans. Why? Here’s why — because, what we’re doing now is we’re only listening to the most extreme voices in those parties. So Republicans are only listening to the craziest Democrats and assuming that all Democrats are like that. Democrats are only listening to the craziest Republicans and assuming all Republicans are like that. When the difference between the average Democrat and the average Republican, really isn’t that big.” *From:* Mike Hammett *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 12:37 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun There's no meaningful difference between authoritarian left and authoritarian right, which are what catch the most attention. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> *From: *"Darin Steffl" mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, March 23, 2023 9:40:58 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It has begun To be fair, anything left leaning is better for humanity. The right doesn't seem to care about anyone different than them. There's very little empathy from the right so if AI is here, it's best that it cares about all people in the information it provides. Don't bite my head off. I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I care about all people, even if I don't like them. On Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 6:25 PM Steve Jones wrote: https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/23/openai-connects-chatgpt-to-the-internet/ I have to admit, Ive been using the shit out of chatgpt, from writing configs, to search engine replacement that actually answers questions, and just general fuckery to see what I can get it to do. It wont kill engineers or turn off exhaust systems in the building if you were curious. It does have a massive left leaning political bias. But some of the stuff it couldnt do because it wasnt connected to the internet, so now ill be back at it. I hope i can get it to do some wargames stuff. ... would you like to play a game Sure, I would love to play a game with you! What game would you like to play? Steve Jones global thermo nuclear warfare I'm sorry, but I cannot play a game of global thermonuclear warfare with you as it is not a real game, but rather a fictional concept popularized by the 1983 film "WarGames." Additionally, it is not appropriate to simulate a scenario involving nuclear weapons
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This thread has been moved to : “WISPA Group” From: Jan-GAMs Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2023 1:01 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun If Bernie had won there would be no college debt, your first four years would be covered. Health-care would be free for all. Women would be equal with rights as men instead of subservient to. My daughters would not be living in fear and looking for a path out of here. Pharmacies would not be able to charge 4,000% profit and get away with it. And impositional religiosity would be pushed up the ass of those who attempt to impose it. Yes, left is way better than right. Left don't burn books, paint swastikas on other peoples homes and cars and don't threaten their neighbors with lynching. On 3/24/23 14:54, Darin Steffl wrote: The extreme left is still better than the extreme right. I don't agree with either sides' extremes but if I had to pick one side, everyone being taken care of, like socialism, I'd pick that over the extreme right who wants to murder anyone different than them. Like far right pastors and supporters who call for violence and murder of gay people, people of color, and liberals. I can find thousands of posts and video from Republicans calling for sick things but very few liberals saying the same things. I don't see far left people calling for violence and murder of people they disagree with. So while there are two sides, one side is better than the other, as in less violent and extreme. I'd take free college for all, free Healthcare, and more from the extreme left over the extreme right who wants to ban books, kill people they disagree with, try to overturn elections, cheat, lie, steal, etc. Again, the left is the better choice when it comes to empathy and taking care of people. While an average republican might not agree with the far right, their silence is the same as being complicit in their sick beliefs. At least an average Democrat calls out the far left people like I do. I don't agree in wiping out all student loans, for example. And I've contacted democrats I've voted for to voice my opinions. I don't see Republicans calling out far right politicians who are spewing hate everyday. I wish they would but since they aren't, I assume they agree with the hate speech and calls for violence. The right is far sicker than the left in every regard. Donald being elected over Hillary will go down in history as one of the worst political events in our country. We would be a much nicer and stable country if Hillary won. The racists, bigots, and violent people would mostly be hiding still but Donald gave them permission to act out their hate when he was elected. It's very sad. People who still support Donald are bullies and hate America at this point. On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Ouchie! You called me the C word... From: Robert Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 3:32 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun exactly this... What I have learned is there is such a thing as a good cult, which is what I consider the Mormon church to be. They have a few extreme points of view but on the whole they treat everyone ( now including other races ) reasonably... And they care about kids and back it up. On 3/24/23 2:12 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I loved what the Gov of Utah told a bunch of school kids yesterday. “Republicans are wrong about Democrats and Democrats are wrong about Republicans. Why? Here’s why — because, what we’re doing now is we’re only listening to the most extreme voices in those parties. So Republicans are only listening to the craziest Democrats and assuming that all Democrats are like that. Democrats are only listening to the craziest Republicans and assuming all Republicans are like that. When the difference between the average Democrat and the average Republican, really isn’t that big.” From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 12:37 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun There's no meaningful difference between authoritarian left and authoritarian right, which are what catch the most attention. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -- From: "Darin Steffl" mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2023 9:40:58 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun To be fair, anything left leaning is better for humanity. The right doesn't seem to care about anyone different than them. There's very little empathy from the right so if AI is here, it's best that it cares about all people in the inf
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If Bernie had won there would be no college debt, your first four years would be covered. Health-care would be free for all. Women would be equal with rights as men instead of subservient to. My daughters would not be living in fear and looking for a path out of here. Pharmacies would not be able to charge 4,000% profit and get away with it. And impositional religiosity would be pushed up the ass of those who attempt to impose it. Yes, left is way better than right. Left don't burn books, paint swastikas on other peoples homes and cars and don't threaten their neighbors with lynching. On 3/24/23 14:54, Darin Steffl wrote: The extreme left is still better than the extreme right. I don't agree with either sides' extremes but if I had to pick one side, everyone being taken care of, like socialism, I'd pick that over the extreme right who wants to murder anyone different than them. Like far right pastors and supporters who call for violence and murder of gay people, people of color, and liberals. I can find thousands of posts and video from Republicans calling for sick things but very few liberals saying the same things. I don't see far left people calling for violence and murder of people they disagree with. So while there are two sides, one side is better than the other, as in less violent and extreme. I'd take free college for all, free Healthcare, and more from the extreme left over the extreme right who wants to ban books, kill people they disagree with, try to overturn elections, cheat, lie, steal, etc. Again, the left is the better choice when it comes to empathy and taking care of people. While an average republican might not agree with the far right, their silence is the same as being complicit in their sick beliefs. At least an average Democrat calls out the far left people like I do. I don't agree in wiping out all student loans, for example. And I've contacted democrats I've voted for to voice my opinions. I don't see Republicans calling out far right politicians who are spewing hate everyday. I wish they would but since they aren't, I assume they agree with the hate speech and calls for violence. The right is far sicker than the left in every regard. Donald being elected over Hillary will go down in history as one of the worst political events in our country. We would be a much nicer and stable country if Hillary won. The racists, bigots, and violent people would mostly be hiding still but Donald gave them permission to act out their hate when he was elected. It's very sad. People who still support Donald are bullies and hate America at this point. On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Ouchie! You called me the C word... *From:* Robert *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 3:32 PM *To:* af@af.afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun exactly this... What I have learned is there is such a thing as a good cult, which is what I consider the Mormon church to be. They have a few extreme points of view but on the whole they treat everyone ( now including other races ) reasonably... And they care about kids and back it up. On 3/24/23 2:12 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I loved what the Gov of Utah told a bunch of school kids yesterday. “Republicans are wrong about Democratsand Democrats are wrong about Republicans. Why? Here’s why — because, what we’re doing now is we’re only listening to the most extreme voices in those parties. So Republicans are only listening to the craziest Democrats and assuming that all Democrats are like that. Democrats are only listening to the craziest Republicans and assuming all Republicans are like that. When the difference between the average Democrat and the average Republican, really isn’t that big.” *From:* Mike Hammett *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 12:37 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun There's no meaningful difference between authoritarian left and authoritarian right, which are what catch the most attention. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> *From: *"Darin Steffl" mai
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So Darin, what part of LENT do you not get? From: Darin Steffl Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2023 12:02 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun Evan and others, You guys really are delusional if you don't see what the Republicans are doing to strip away rights. At least call them out if you're going to vote their way. Everything I shared were statements of fact easily verified with a Google search with reputable sources. It's sad that I can share facts and then some want to shut down the conversation. Is that because you don't want to be wrong or don't think you're associated with people who hold more extreme views than you? I'm asking you not to be complicit in the hate that's in the republican party. Speak out and tell your representatives to stop attacking people. Be kind and empathetic. Evan, why are you worried about me for calling out hateful people? I'm worried for you if you think that's wrong for me to do. You should be against all the attacks on human rights too. I believe you and your wife, Sandra, to be good people. But there are some on the right who would tell your wife to go back to her country because they're xenophobic and racist. Wouldn't that bother you if someone said that to your wife? Call out the bad that any party partakes in. During the Floyd riots, I didn't agree with any violence or destruction of property and I'm in full support of people being arrested who committed crimes. Same with the people on January 6. But why does the right think January 6 was a peaceful tour and no one should be arrested? It's hypocritical. Same with law enforcement. We shouldn't support any profession unconditionally. That's dangerous. I support good cops but think we should hold bad ones accountable. This is all common sense stuff but the right thinks all cops are good which is false. There's bad people in every profession so let's weed them out. I have some sick friends and family that think the murder of George Floyd was justified, even after watching the full video of him being suffocated!! Sick people with sick minds. The rest of the world watches our country with disgust that half the people hate themselves and their country so much that they continue to vote republican. The new republican party is far more different and extreme than the old one, which was somewhat reasonable and bipartisan. There is no question that democrats are better for all people in terms of human rights, equality, and protections against employers and corporations. They pass more bills to protect people, the environment, and the world than the right. That does NOT mean the party is perfect and that there aren't shady politicians on both sides. It all comes back to calling out the bad things either party tries to do so we end up in the middle. Being in the middle, centrist, should not be an extreme view. The facts and opinions I shared are centrist views so if you think I'm crazy or you're offended, it's likely that your views are more extreme than you think. I could list more than enough Democrat ideas I don't agree with and just as many fiscal republican ideas I do agree with. On Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 12:03 PM Robert wrote: What we have here is a failure to communicate. I may sound like a c theorist but what we have is two oligarchical factions that are fighting for control of an electoral mass of minds and using all the propaganda tools to manage that. The Monster money from both "factions" (because they aren't really one side so much or the other) is just used to manage the political resources. It's all about maintaining their wealth. Evidence of this is overwhelming when you look at the tax votes. The dems made noise about the reduction in wealth taxes but didn't _actually_ do anything about it. And Bidens announcements about tax the rich are posturing, not a snowballs chance in hell of going anywhere.. Right side is about keeping the worker bees slaving away with promises of easier ways to wealth and fear mongering, Left is about keeping the worker bees hoping for better care and fear mongering... On 3/25/23 9:42 AM, Steve Jones wrote: nail on the head On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 11:38 AM Mike Hammett wrote: The problem is not left vs. right, it's authortarianism vs. liberty. Authoritarian left and authoritarian right are equally bad. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -- From: "Darin Steffl" To: "Mike Hammett" Cc: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2023 10:35:43 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun So Mike, You're saying the far right is better with your "no" response? The far right inclu
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ropaganda >>> tools to manage that. The Monster money from both "factions" (because >>> they aren't really one side so much or the other) is just used to manage >>> the political resources. It's all about maintaining their wealth. >>> Evidence of this is overwhelming when you look at the tax votes. The dems >>> made noise about the reduction in wealth taxes but didn't _actually_ do >>> anything about it. And Bidens announcements about tax the rich are >>> posturing, not a snowballs chance in hell of going anywhere.. Right side >>> is about keeping the worker bees slaving away with promises of easier ways >>> to wealth and fear mongering, Left is about keeping the worker bees hoping >>> for better care and fear mongering... >>> >>> On 3/25/23 9:42 AM, Steve Jones wrote: >>> >>> nail on the head >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 11:38 AM Mike Hammett wrote: >>> >>>> The problem is not left vs. right, it's authortarianism vs. liberty. >>>> >>>> Authoritarian left and authoritarian right are equally bad. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>> -- >>>> *From: *"Darin Steffl" >>>> *To: *"Mike Hammett" >>>> *Cc: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" >>>> *Sent: *Saturday, March 25, 2023 10:35:43 AM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It has begun >>>> >>>> So Mike, >>>> >>>> You're saying the far right is better with your "no" response? >>>> >>>> The far right includes nazis, racists, homophobes who all want to use >>>> violence to kill jews, people of color, gay and trans people, liberals, and >>>> more. >>>> >>>> I don't know how you can seriously sit here and say that's better than >>>> the non-violent things the far left wants to do. Antifa isn't even real so >>>> don't bring in fake news. What's real are the people who stormed the >>>> Capitol, proud boys, and lots of violent people who came out of the >>>> woodwork after trump was elected. >>>> >>>> I'm still in the middle overall but I will always vote for human rights >>>> and protections before I vote to benefit myself fiscally. I'm not a single >>>> issue voter so I don't only vote on tax issues. I vote for people who >>>> protect people and that's overwhelmingly democrats. Moderate ones are my >>>> choice. >>>> >>>> I've never voted for Bernie but he's still a good guy who cares. Biden >>>> wasn't my choice but he's way better than trump. I wanted Amy Klobuchar or >>>> Pete Buttigieg personally. I think Pete will be president sometime in the >>>> next 3 elections. >>>> >>>> Oh, the other thing that came of trump are some extremists in congress >>>> being elected in 2022. They were a result of trump crying the 2020 election >>>> was stolen and he riled up the base to give him money, stealing from his >>>> supporters. And the most crazy ones ran and won in some cases. So now >>>> there's some nut jobs in congress, more than the old ones who won't retire. >>>> >>>> Then more far right supporters started infiltrating school boards and >>>> city councils to white wash history. They want to ban anything that teaches >>>> real history because they don't want their kids to know about slavery and >>>> racism, native Americans. They want to teach kids that white man discovered >>>> America first lol. >>>> >>>> And now they're trying
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It was only because we had people like Eric Swalwell and Adam Schiff and Raskin that Trump didn't get what he wanted and tried for. Even broken, our government managed to keep that sicko from succeeding. On 3/24/23 15:14, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Karl Marx Lenin Stalin Putin Pretty sure those dudes were far worst than Trump Even Castro Kim Jong Un Seriously you thing the far left are better? *From:* Darin Steffl *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 3:54 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Cc:* Chuck McCown *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun The extreme left is still better than the extreme right. I don't agree with either sides' extremes but if I had to pick one side, everyone being taken care of, like socialism, I'd pick that over the extreme right who wants to murder anyone different than them. Like far right pastors and supporters who call for violence and murder of gay people, people of color, and liberals. I can find thousands of posts and video from Republicans calling for sick things but very few liberals saying the same things. I don't see far left people calling for violence and murder of people they disagree with. So while there are two sides, one side is better than the other, as in less violent and extreme. I'd take free college for all, free Healthcare, and more from the extreme left over the extreme right who wants to ban books, kill people they disagree with, try to overturn elections, cheat, lie, steal, etc. Again, the left is the better choice when it comes to empathy and taking care of people. While an average republican might not agree with the far right, their silence is the same as being complicit in their sick beliefs. At least an average Democrat calls out the far left people like I do. I don't agree in wiping out all student loans, for example. And I've contacted democrats I've voted for to voice my opinions. I don't see Republicans calling out far right politicians who are spewing hate everyday. I wish they would but since they aren't, I assume they agree with the hate speech and calls for violence. The right is far sicker than the left in every regard. Donald being elected over Hillary will go down in history as one of the worst political events in our country. We would be a much nicer and stable country if Hillary won. The racists, bigots, and violent people would mostly be hiding still but Donald gave them permission to act out their hate when he was elected. It's very sad. People who still support Donald are bullies and hate America at this point. On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Ouchie! You called me the C word... *From:* Robert *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 3:32 PM *To:* af@af.afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun exactly this... What I have learned is there is such a thing as a good cult, which is what I consider the Mormon church to be. They have a few extreme points of view but on the whole they treat everyone ( now including other races ) reasonably... And they care about kids and back it up. On 3/24/23 2:12 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I loved what the Gov of Utah told a bunch of school kids yesterday. “Republicans are wrong about Democratsand Democrats are wrong about Republicans. Why? Here’s why — because, what we’re doing now is we’re only listening to the most extreme voices in those parties. So Republicans are only listening to the craziest Democrats and assuming that all Democrats are like that. Democrats are only listening to the craziest Republicans and assuming all Republicans are like that. When the difference between the average Democrat and the average Republican, really isn’t that big.” *From:* Mike Hammett *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 12:37 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun There's no meaningful difference between authoritarian left and authoritarian right, which are what catch the most attention. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> *From: *"Darin Steffl" mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug
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ways >> to wealth and fear mongering, Left is about keeping the worker bees hoping >> for better care and fear mongering... >> >> On 3/25/23 9:42 AM, Steve Jones wrote: >> >> nail on the head >> >> On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 11:38 AM Mike Hammett wrote: >> >>> The problem is not left vs. right, it's authortarianism vs. liberty. >>> >>> Authoritarian left and authoritarian right are equally bad. >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> -- >>> *From: *"Darin Steffl" >>> *To: *"Mike Hammett" >>> *Cc: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" >>> *Sent: *Saturday, March 25, 2023 10:35:43 AM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It has begun >>> >>> So Mike, >>> >>> You're saying the far right is better with your "no" response? >>> >>> The far right includes nazis, racists, homophobes who all want to use >>> violence to kill jews, people of color, gay and trans people, liberals, and >>> more. >>> >>> I don't know how you can seriously sit here and say that's better than >>> the non-violent things the far left wants to do. Antifa isn't even real so >>> don't bring in fake news. What's real are the people who stormed the >>> Capitol, proud boys, and lots of violent people who came out of the >>> woodwork after trump was elected. >>> >>> I'm still in the middle overall but I will always vote for human rights >>> and protections before I vote to benefit myself fiscally. I'm not a single >>> issue voter so I don't only vote on tax issues. I vote for people who >>> protect people and that's overwhelmingly democrats. Moderate ones are my >>> choice. >>> >>> I've never voted for Bernie but he's still a good guy who cares. Biden >>> wasn't my choice but he's way better than trump. I wanted Amy Klobuchar or >>> Pete Buttigieg personally. I think Pete will be president sometime in the >>> next 3 elections. >>> >>> Oh, the other thing that came of trump are some extremists in congress >>> being elected in 2022. They were a result of trump crying the 2020 election >>> was stolen and he riled up the base to give him money, stealing from his >>> supporters. And the most crazy ones ran and won in some cases. So now >>> there's some nut jobs in congress, more than the old ones who won't retire. >>> >>> Then more far right supporters started infiltrating school boards and >>> city councils to white wash history. They want to ban anything that teaches >>> real history because they don't want their kids to know about slavery and >>> racism, native Americans. They want to teach kids that white man discovered >>> America first lol. >>> >>> And now they're trying to ban books in schools and public libraries that >>> they don't like. Books that show a kid having two moms or dads for example. >>> They don't wany any pride flags, pins, or stickers anywhere in school >>> because they somehow think that will make a kid gay. They act like you >>> aren't born straight, gay, bi and that it's actually a choice ha. >>> >>> And don't get me started on them trying force their religious beliefs on >>> everyone else. And now their target is trans people and drag queens to >>> "protect the kids" while they take their kid to Hooters, or worse, church >>> where there's an infinitely higher chance of being sexually assaulted by a >>> pastor, staff, or volunteer. There isn't a single case of a drag queen >>> being charged with SA but there's thousands of church people that have been >>> charged and tens of thousands never charged because it's swept und
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herswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> -- >> *From: *"Darin Steffl" >> *To: *"Mike Hammett" >> *Cc: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" >> *Sent: *Saturday, March 25, 2023 10:35:43 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It has begun >> >> So Mike, >> >> You're saying the far right is better with your "no" response? >> >> The far right includes nazis, racists, homophobes who all want to use >> violence to kill jews, people of color, gay and trans people, liberals, and >> more. >> >> I don't know how you can seriously sit here and say that's better than >> the non-violent things the far left wants to do. Antifa isn't even real so >> don't bring in fake news. What's real are the people who stormed the >> Capitol, proud boys, and lots of violent people who came out of the >> woodwork after trump was elected. >> >> I'm still in the middle overall but I will always vote for human rights >> and protections before I vote to benefit myself fiscally. I'm not a single >> issue voter so I don't only vote on tax issues. I vote for people who >> protect people and that's overwhelmingly democrats. Moderate ones are my >> choice. >> >> I've never voted for Bernie but he's still a good guy who cares. Biden >> wasn't my choice but he's way better than trump. I wanted Amy Klobuchar or >> Pete Buttigieg personally. I think Pete will be president sometime in the >> next 3 elections. >> >> Oh, the other thing that came of trump are some extremists in congress >> being elected in 2022. They were a result of trump crying the 2020 election >> was stolen and he riled up the base to give him money, stealing from his >> supporters. And the most crazy ones ran and won in some cases. So now >> there's some nut jobs in congress, more than the old ones who won't retire. >> >> Then more far right supporters started infiltrating school boards and >> city councils to white wash history. They want to ban anything that teaches >> real history because they don't want their kids to know about slavery and >> racism, native Americans. They want to teach kids that white man discovered >> America first lol. >> >> And now they're trying to ban books in schools and public libraries that >> they don't like. Books that show a kid having two moms or dads for example. >> They don't wany any pride flags, pins, or stickers anywhere in school >> because they somehow think that will make a kid gay. They act like you >> aren't born straight, gay, bi and that it's actually a choice ha. >> >> And don't get me started on them trying force their religious beliefs on >> everyone else. And now their target is trans people and drag queens to >> "protect the kids" while they take their kid to Hooters, or worse, church >> where there's an infinitely higher chance of being sexually assaulted by a >> pastor, staff, or volunteer. There isn't a single case of a drag queen >> being charged with SA but there's thousands of church people that have been >> charged and tens of thousands never charged because it's swept under the >> rug. >> >> The right is actively stripping away rights of Americans and getting away >> with it in many red states. Abortion too. Way to control women you sick >> republican men! >> >> Over 385 anti-lgbt bills have been proposed at the state level. And who >> proposed them? All Republicans. You can't say with a straight face that >> they care about anyone. There's no empathy. Just hate and fear of those >> different from them. I've watched fox and it's nothing but fear mongering >> to rile up their base and keep they eyeballs glued to their channel. They >> scare their viewers everyday and it's always a "war on something" with them. >> >> While I agree with some fiscal ideas Republicans have, they will never >> get my vote as long as they hate America and it's people. Gen Z will >> completely annihilate their party and they're likely going to lose every >> election going forward if they don't pivot immediately. They'll only win >> state and local elections in rural areas where there's a bunch of red >> voters who continue to vote against themselves. >> >> >> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-08/2023-is-already-a-record-year-for-anti-lgbtq-bills-in-the-us?leadSource=uverify%20wall >> >> On Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 9:32 AM Mike Hammett wrote: >> >>>
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I agree, it is actually lent right now.
From: Warren King
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2023 10:36 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
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I vote for Lent.
Anyone else?
On Mar 25, 2023, at 7:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
I wish AFMUG would stop going political. It really serves no purpose.
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To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" , "Darin Steffl"
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 5:18:36 PM
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Why are we going down this road again?
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun
Karl Marx
Lenin
Stalin
Putin
Pretty sure those dudes were far worst than Trump
Even Castro
Kim Jong Un
Seriously you thing the far left are better?
From: Darin Steffl
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 3:54 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun
The extreme left is still better than the extreme right.
I don't agree with either sides' extremes but if I had to pick one side,
everyone being taken care of, like socialism, I'd pick that over the extreme
right who wants to murder anyone different than them. Like far right pastors
and supporters who call for violence and murder of gay people, people of color,
and liberals. I can find thousands of posts and video from Republicans calling
for sick things but very few liberals saying the same things.
I don't see far left people calling for violence and murder of people they
disagree with.
So while there are two sides, one side is better than the other, as in less
violent and extreme.
I'd take free college for all, free Healthcare, and more from the extreme
left over the extreme right who wants to ban books, kill people they disagree
with, try to overturn elections, cheat, lie, steal, etc. Again, the left is the
better choice when it comes to empathy and taking care of people.
While an average republican might not agree with the far right, their silence
is the same as being complicit in their sick beliefs.
At least an average Democrat calls out the far left people like I do. I don't
agree in wiping out all student loans, for example. And I've contacted
democrats I've voted for to voice my opinions.
I don't see Republicans calling out far right politicians who are spewing
hate everyday. I wish they would but since they aren't, I assume they agree
with the hate speech and calls for violence.
The right is far sicker than the left in every regard. Donald being elected
over Hillary will go down in history as one of the worst political events in
our country. We would be a much nicer and stable country if Hillary won. The
racists, bigots, and violent people would mostly be hiding still but Donald
gave them permission to act out their hate when he was elected. It's very sad.
People who still support Donald are bullies and hate America at this point.
On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Ouchie!
You called me the C word...
From: Robert
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 3:32 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun
exactly this... What I have learned is there is such a thing as a good
cult, which is what I consider the Mormon church to be. They have a few
extreme points of view but on the whole they treat everyone ( now including
other races ) reasonably... And they care about kids and back it up.
On 3/24/23 2:12 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
I loved what the Gov of Utah told a bunch of school kids yesterday.
“Republicans are wrong about Democrats and Democrats are wrong about
Republicans. Why? Here’s why — because, what we’re doing now is we’re only
listening to the most extreme voices in those parties. So Republicans are only
listening to the craziest Democrats and assuming that all Democrats are like
that. Democrats are only listening to the craziest Republicans and assuming all
Republicans are like that. When the difference between the average Democrat and
the average Republican, really isn’t that big.”
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 12:37 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun
There's no meaningful difference between authoritarian left and
authoritarian right, which are what catch the most attention.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Interne
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I got me one of them cute Mormon girls 40 years ago. Still cute, still Mormon. From: Robert Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 9:25 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun But it's a good C... The one that I contemplated joining in my 20's when they dangled a very cute girl in front of me... On 3/24/23 6:22 PM, Steve Jones wrote: Shots fired. On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Ouchie! You called me the C word... From: Robert Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 3:32 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun exactly this... What I have learned is there is such a thing as a good cult, which is what I consider the Mormon church to be. They have a few extreme points of view but on the whole they treat everyone ( now including other races ) reasonably... And they care about kids and back it up. On 3/24/23 2:12 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I loved what the Gov of Utah told a bunch of school kids yesterday. “Republicans are wrong about Democrats and Democrats are wrong about Republicans. Why? Here’s why — because, what we’re doing now is we’re only listening to the most extreme voices in those parties. So Republicans are only listening to the craziest Democrats and assuming that all Democrats are like that. Democrats are only listening to the craziest Republicans and assuming all Republicans are like that. When the difference between the average Democrat and the average Republican, really isn’t that big.” From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 12:37 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun There's no meaningful difference between authoritarian left and authoritarian right, which are what catch the most attention. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -- From: "Darin Steffl" mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2023 9:40:58 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun To be fair, anything left leaning is better for humanity. The right doesn't seem to care about anyone different than them. There's very little empathy from the right so if AI is here, it's best that it cares about all people in the information it provides. Don't bite my head off. I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I care about all people, even if I don't like them. On Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 6:25 PM Steve Jones wrote: https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/23/openai-connects-chatgpt-to-the-internet/ I have to admit, Ive been using the shit out of chatgpt, from writing configs, to search engine replacement that actually answers questions, and just general fuckery to see what I can get it to do. It wont kill engineers or turn off exhaust systems in the building if you were curious. It does have a massive left leaning political bias. But some of the stuff it couldnt do because it wasnt connected to the internet, so now ill be back at it. I hope i can get it to do some wargames stuff. ... would you like to play a game Sure, I would love to play a game with you! What game would you like to play? global thermo nuclear warfare I'm sorry, but I cannot play a game of global thermonuclear warfare with you as it is not a real game, but rather a fictional concept popularized by the 1983 film "WarGames." Additionally, it is not appropriate to simulate a scenario involving nuclear weapons as it could be potentially harmful and insensitive to those affected by nuclear weapons in the past. Is there another game you would like to play instead?'' -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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What we have here is a failure to communicate. I may sound like a c theorist but what we have is two oligarchical factions that are fighting for control of an electoral mass of minds and using all the propaganda tools to manage that. The Monster money from both "factions" (because they aren't really one side so much or the other) is just used to manage the political resources. It's all about maintaining their wealth. Evidence of this is overwhelming when you look at the tax votes. The dems made noise about the reduction in wealth taxes but didn't _actually_ do anything about it. And Bidens announcements about tax the rich are posturing, not a snowballs chance in hell of going anywhere.. Right side is about keeping the worker bees slaving away with promises of easier ways to wealth and fear mongering, Left is about keeping the worker bees hoping for better care and fear mongering... On 3/25/23 9:42 AM, Steve Jones wrote: nail on the head On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 11:38 AM Mike Hammett wrote: The problem is not left vs. right, it's authortarianism vs. liberty. Authoritarian left and authoritarian right are equally bad. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> *From: *"Darin Steffl" *To: *"Mike Hammett" *Cc: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" *Sent: *Saturday, March 25, 2023 10:35:43 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It has begun So Mike, You're saying the far right is better with your "no" response? The far right includes nazis, racists, homophobes who all want to use violence to kill jews, people of color, gay and trans people, liberals, and more. I don't know how you can seriously sit here and say that's better than the non-violent things the far left wants to do. Antifa isn't even real so don't bring in fake news. What's real are the people who stormed the Capitol, proud boys, and lots of violent people who came out of the woodwork after trump was elected. I'm still in the middle overall but I will always vote for human rights and protections before I vote to benefit myself fiscally. I'm not a single issue voter so I don't only vote on tax issues. I vote for people who protect people and that's overwhelmingly democrats. Moderate ones are my choice. I've never voted for Bernie but he's still a good guy who cares. Biden wasn't my choice but he's way better than trump. I wanted Amy Klobuchar or Pete Buttigieg personally. I think Pete will be president sometime in the next 3 elections. Oh, the other thing that came of trump are some extremists in congress being elected in 2022. They were a result of trump crying the 2020 election was stolen and he riled up the base to give him money, stealing from his supporters. And the most crazy ones ran and won in some cases. So now there's some nut jobs in congress, more than the old ones who won't retire. Then more far right supporters started infiltrating school boards and city councils to white wash history. They want to ban anything that teaches real history because they don't want their kids to know about slavery and racism, native Americans. They want to teach kids that white man discovered America first lol. And now they're trying to ban books in schools and public libraries that they don't like. Books that show a kid having two moms or dads for example. They don't wany any pride flags, pins, or stickers anywhere in school because they somehow think that will make a kid gay. They act like you aren't born straight, gay, bi and that it's actually a choice ha. And don't get me started on them trying force their religious beliefs on everyone else. And now their target is trans people and drag queens to "protect the kids" while they take their kid to Hooters, or worse, church where there's an infinitely higher chance of being sexually assaulted by a pastor, staff, or volunteer. There isn't a single case of a drag queen being charged with SA but there's thousands of church people that have been charged and tens of thousands never charged beca
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Hey Darin, you seem very divisive and politically triggered body of the time I read your comments. This went from chatgpt to something else. Are you doing okay man? Kinda concerned about you. On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 7:42 PM Darin Steffl wrote: > To be fair, anything left leaning is better for humanity. The right > doesn't seem to care about anyone different than them. There's very little > empathy from the right so if AI is here, it's best that it cares about all > people in the information it provides. > > Don't bite my head off. I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I > care about all people, even if I don't like them. > > On Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 6:25 PM Steve Jones > wrote: > >> https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/23/openai-connects-chatgpt-to-the-internet/ >> >> >> I have to admit, Ive been using the shit out of chatgpt, from writing >> configs, to search engine replacement that actually answers questions, and >> just general fuckery to see what I can get it to do. It wont kill engineers >> or turn off exhaust systems in the building if you were curious. It does >> have a massive left leaning political bias. >> >> But some of the stuff it couldnt do because it wasnt connected to the >> internet, so now ill be back at it. I hope i can get it to do some wargames >> stuff. >> >> ... >> >> would you like to play a game >> >> Sure, I would love to play a game with you! What game would you like to >> play? >> [image: Steve Jones] >> global thermo nuclear warfare >> >> I'm sorry, but I cannot play a game of global thermonuclear warfare with >> you as it is not a real game, but rather a fictional concept popularized by >> the 1983 film "WarGames." Additionally, it is not appropriate to simulate a >> scenario involving nuclear weapons as it could be potentially harmful and >> insensitive to those affected by nuclear weapons in the past. Is there >> another game you would like to play instead?'' >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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nail on the head On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 11:38 AM Mike Hammett wrote: > The problem is not left vs. right, it's authortarianism vs. liberty. > > Authoritarian left and authoritarian right are equally bad. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > *From: *"Darin Steffl" > *To: *"Mike Hammett" > *Cc: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > *Sent: *Saturday, March 25, 2023 10:35:43 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It has begun > > So Mike, > > You're saying the far right is better with your "no" response? > > The far right includes nazis, racists, homophobes who all want to use > violence to kill jews, people of color, gay and trans people, liberals, and > more. > > I don't know how you can seriously sit here and say that's better than the > non-violent things the far left wants to do. Antifa isn't even real so > don't bring in fake news. What's real are the people who stormed the > Capitol, proud boys, and lots of violent people who came out of the > woodwork after trump was elected. > > I'm still in the middle overall but I will always vote for human rights > and protections before I vote to benefit myself fiscally. I'm not a single > issue voter so I don't only vote on tax issues. I vote for people who > protect people and that's overwhelmingly democrats. Moderate ones are my > choice. > > I've never voted for Bernie but he's still a good guy who cares. Biden > wasn't my choice but he's way better than trump. I wanted Amy Klobuchar or > Pete Buttigieg personally. I think Pete will be president sometime in the > next 3 elections. > > Oh, the other thing that came of trump are some extremists in congress > being elected in 2022. They were a result of trump crying the 2020 election > was stolen and he riled up the base to give him money, stealing from his > supporters. And the most crazy ones ran and won in some cases. So now > there's some nut jobs in congress, more than the old ones who won't retire. > > Then more far right supporters started infiltrating school boards and city > councils to white wash history. They want to ban anything that teaches real > history because they don't want their kids to know about slavery and > racism, native Americans. They want to teach kids that white man discovered > America first lol. > > And now they're trying to ban books in schools and public libraries that > they don't like. Books that show a kid having two moms or dads for example. > They don't wany any pride flags, pins, or stickers anywhere in school > because they somehow think that will make a kid gay. They act like you > aren't born straight, gay, bi and that it's actually a choice ha. > > And don't get me started on them trying force their religious beliefs on > everyone else. And now their target is trans people and drag queens to > "protect the kids" while they take their kid to Hooters, or worse, church > where there's an infinitely higher chance of being sexually assaulted by a > pastor, staff, or volunteer. There isn't a single case of a drag queen > being charged with SA but there's thousands of church people that have been > charged and tens of thousands never charged because it's swept under the > rug. > > The right is actively stripping away rights of Americans and getting away > with it in many red states. Abortion too. Way to control women you sick > republican men! > > Over 385 anti-lgbt bills have been proposed at the state level. And who > proposed them? All Republicans. You can't say with a straight face that > they care about anyone. There's no empathy. Just hate and fear of those > different from them. I've watched fox and it's nothing but fear mongering > to rile up their base and keep they eyeballs glued to their channel. They > scare their viewers everyday and it's always a "war on something" with them. > > While I agree with some fiscal ideas Republicans have, they will never get > my vote as long as they hate America and it's people. Gen Z will completely &
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Agreed. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Warren King" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2023 11:36:38 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun I vote for Lent. Anyone else? On Mar 25, 2023, at 7:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: I wish AFMUG would stop going political. It really serves no purpose. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Adam Moffett" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" , "Darin Steffl" Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 5:18:36 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun Why are we going down this road again? Get Outlook for iOS From: AF on behalf of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 6:14:09 PM To: Darin Steffl ; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun Karl Marx Lenin Stalin Putin Pretty sure those dudes were far worst than Trump Even Castro Kim Jong Un Seriously you thing the far left are better? From: Darin Steffl Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 3:54 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun The extreme left is still better than the extreme right. I don't agree with either sides' extremes but if I had to pick one side, everyone being taken care of, like socialism, I'd pick that over the extreme right who wants to murder anyone different than them. Like far right pastors and supporters who call for violence and murder of gay people, people of color, and liberals. I can find thousands of posts and video from Republicans calling for sick things but very few liberals saying the same things. I don't see far left people calling for violence and murder of people they disagree with. So while there are two sides, one side is better than the other, as in less violent and extreme. I'd take free college for all, free Healthcare, and more from the extreme left over the extreme right who wants to ban books, kill people they disagree with, try to overturn elections, cheat, lie, steal, etc. Again, the left is the better choice when it comes to empathy and taking care of people. While an average republican might not agree with the far right, their silence is the same as being complicit in their sick beliefs. At least an average Democrat calls out the far left people like I do. I don't agree in wiping out all student loans, for example. And I've contacted democrats I've voted for to voice my opinions. I don't see Republicans calling out far right politicians who are spewing hate everyday. I wish they would but since they aren't, I assume they agree with the hate speech and calls for violence. The right is far sicker than the left in every regard. Donald being elected over Hillary will go down in history as one of the worst political events in our country. We would be a much nicer and stable country if Hillary won. The racists, bigots, and violent people would mostly be hiding still but Donald gave them permission to act out their hate when he was elected. It's very sad. People who still support Donald are bullies and hate America at this point. On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: Ouchie! You called me the C word... From: Robert Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 3:32 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun exactly this... What I have learned is there is such a thing as a good cult, which is what I consider the Mormon church to be. They have a few extreme points of view but on the whole they treat everyone ( now including other races ) reasonably... And they care about kids and back it up. On 3/24/23 2:12 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I loved what the Gov of Utah told a bunch of school kids yesterday. “Republicans are wrong about Democrats and Democrats are wrong about Republicans. Why? Here’s why — because, what we’re doing now is we’re only listening to the most extreme voices in those parties. So Republicans are only listening to the craziest Democrats and assuming that all Democrats are like that. Democrats are only listening to the craziest Republicans and assuming all Republicans are like that. When the difference between the average Democrat and the average Republican, really isn’t that big.” From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 12:37 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun There's no meaningful difference between authoritarian left and authoritarian right, which are what catch the most attention. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Darin Steffl" mai
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I vote for Lent. Anyone else? > On Mar 25, 2023, at 7:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > > I wish AFMUG would stop going political. It really serves no purpose. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > > From: "Adam Moffett" > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" , "Darin Steffl" > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 5:18:36 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun > > Why are we going down this road again? > > Get Outlook for iOS > From: AF on behalf of Chuck McCown via AF > > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 6:14:09 PM > To: Darin Steffl ; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > Cc: Chuck McCown > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun > > Karl Marx > Lenin > Stalin > Putin > > Pretty sure those dudes were far worst than Trump > Even Castro > Kim Jong Un > > Seriously you thing the far left are better? > > From: Darin Steffl > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 3:54 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > Cc: Chuck McCown > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun > > The extreme left is still better than the extreme right. > > I don't agree with either sides' extremes but if I had to pick one side, > everyone being taken care of, like socialism, I'd pick that over the extreme > right who wants to murder anyone different than them. Like far right pastors > and supporters who call for violence and murder of gay people, people of > color, and liberals. I can find thousands of posts and video from Republicans > calling for sick things but very few liberals saying the same things. > > I don't see far left people calling for violence and murder of people they > disagree with. > > So while there are two sides, one side is better than the other, as in less > violent and extreme. > > I'd take free college for all, free Healthcare, and more from the extreme > left over the extreme right who wants to ban books, kill people they disagree > with, try to overturn elections, cheat, lie, steal, etc. Again, the left is > the better choice when it comes to empathy and taking care of people. > > While an average republican might not agree with the far right, their silence > is the same as being complicit in their sick beliefs. > > At least an average Democrat calls out the far left people like I do. I don't > agree in wiping out all student loans, for example. And I've contacted > democrats I've voted for to voice my opinions. > > I don't see Republicans calling out far right politicians who are spewing > hate everyday. I wish they would but since they aren't, I assume they agree > with the hate speech and calls for violence. > > The right is far sicker than the left in every regard. Donald being elected > over Hillary will go down in history as one of the worst political events in > our country. We would be a much nicer and stable country if Hillary won. The > racists, bigots, and violent people would mostly be hiding still but Donald > gave them permission to act out their hate when he was elected. It's very sad. > > People who still support Donald are bullies and hate America at this point. > > On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > Ouchie! > You called me the C word... > > > From: Robert > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 3:32 PM > To: af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun > > exactly this... What I have learned is there is such a thing as a good cult, > which is what I consider the Mormon church to be. They have a few extreme > points of view but on the whole they treat everyone ( now including other > races ) reasonably... And they care about kids and back it up. > > On 3/24/23 2:12 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > I loved what the Gov of Utah told a bunch of school kids yesterday. > > “Republicans are wrong about Democrats and Democrats are wrong about > Republicans. Why? Here’s why — because, what we’re doing now is we’re only > listening to the most extreme voices in those parties. So Republicans are > only listening to the craziest Democrats and assuming that all Democrats are > like that. Democrats are only listening to the craziest Republicans and > assuming all Republicans are like that. When the difference between the > average Democrat and the average Republican, really isn’t that big.” > > From: Mike Hammett > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 12:37 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun > > There's no meaningful difference between authoritarian left and authoritarian > right, which are what ca
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The problem is not left vs. right, it's authortarianism vs. liberty. Authoritarian left and authoritarian right are equally bad. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Darin Steffl" To: "Mike Hammett" Cc: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2023 10:35:43 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun So Mike, You're saying the far right is better with your "no" response? The far right includes nazis, racists, homophobes who all want to use violence to kill jews, people of color, gay and trans people, liberals, and more. I don't know how you can seriously sit here and say that's better than the non-violent things the far left wants to do. Antifa isn't even real so don't bring in fake news. What's real are the people who stormed the Capitol, proud boys, and lots of violent people who came out of the woodwork after trump was elected. I'm still in the middle overall but I will always vote for human rights and protections before I vote to benefit myself fiscally. I'm not a single issue voter so I don't only vote on tax issues. I vote for people who protect people and that's overwhelmingly democrats. Moderate ones are my choice. I've never voted for Bernie but he's still a good guy who cares. Biden wasn't my choice but he's way better than trump. I wanted Amy Klobuchar or Pete Buttigieg personally. I think Pete will be president sometime in the next 3 elections. Oh, the other thing that came of trump are some extremists in congress being elected in 2022. They were a result of trump crying the 2020 election was stolen and he riled up the base to give him money, stealing from his supporters. And the most crazy ones ran and won in some cases. So now there's some nut jobs in congress, more than the old ones who won't retire. Then more far right supporters started infiltrating school boards and city councils to white wash history. They want to ban anything that teaches real history because they don't want their kids to know about slavery and racism, native Americans. They want to teach kids that white man discovered America first lol. And now they're trying to ban books in schools and public libraries that they don't like. Books that show a kid having two moms or dads for example. They don't wany any pride flags, pins, or stickers anywhere in school because they somehow think that will make a kid gay. They act like you aren't born straight, gay, bi and that it's actually a choice ha. And don't get me started on them trying force their religious beliefs on everyone else. And now their target is trans people and drag queens to "protect the kids" while they take their kid to Hooters, or worse, church where there's an infinitely higher chance of being sexually assaulted by a pastor, staff, or volunteer. There isn't a single case of a drag queen being charged with SA but there's thousands of church people that have been charged and tens of thousands never charged because it's swept under the rug. The right is actively stripping away rights of Americans and getting away with it in many red states. Abortion too. Way to control women you sick republican men! Over 385 anti-lgbt bills have been proposed at the state level. And who proposed them? All Republicans. You can't say with a straight face that they care about anyone. There's no empathy. Just hate and fear of those different from them. I've watched fox and it's nothing but fear mongering to rile up their base and keep they eyeballs glued to their channel. They scare their viewers everyday and it's always a "war on something" with them. While I agree with some fiscal ideas Republicans have, they will never get my vote as long as they hate America and it's people. Gen Z will completely annihilate their party and they're likely going to lose every election going forward if they don't pivot immediately. They'll only win state and local elections in rural areas where there's a bunch of red voters who continue to vote against themselves. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-08/2023-is-already-a-record-year-for-anti-lgbtq-bills-in-the-us?leadSource=uverify%20wall On Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 9:32 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: I wish AFMUG would stop going political. It really serves no purpose. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com >, "Darin Steffl" < darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 5:18:36 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun Why are we going down this road again? Get Outlook for iOS From: AF < af-boun...@af.
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So Mike, You're saying the far right is better with your "no" response? The far right includes nazis, racists, homophobes who all want to use violence to kill jews, people of color, gay and trans people, liberals, and more. I don't know how you can seriously sit here and say that's better than the non-violent things the far left wants to do. Antifa isn't even real so don't bring in fake news. What's real are the people who stormed the Capitol, proud boys, and lots of violent people who came out of the woodwork after trump was elected. I'm still in the middle overall but I will always vote for human rights and protections before I vote to benefit myself fiscally. I'm not a single issue voter so I don't only vote on tax issues. I vote for people who protect people and that's overwhelmingly democrats. Moderate ones are my choice. I've never voted for Bernie but he's still a good guy who cares. Biden wasn't my choice but he's way better than trump. I wanted Amy Klobuchar or Pete Buttigieg personally. I think Pete will be president sometime in the next 3 elections. Oh, the other thing that came of trump are some extremists in congress being elected in 2022. They were a result of trump crying the 2020 election was stolen and he riled up the base to give him money, stealing from his supporters. And the most crazy ones ran and won in some cases. So now there's some nut jobs in congress, more than the old ones who won't retire. Then more far right supporters started infiltrating school boards and city councils to white wash history. They want to ban anything that teaches real history because they don't want their kids to know about slavery and racism, native Americans. They want to teach kids that white man discovered America first lol. And now they're trying to ban books in schools and public libraries that they don't like. Books that show a kid having two moms or dads for example. They don't wany any pride flags, pins, or stickers anywhere in school because they somehow think that will make a kid gay. They act like you aren't born straight, gay, bi and that it's actually a choice ha. And don't get me started on them trying force their religious beliefs on everyone else. And now their target is trans people and drag queens to "protect the kids" while they take their kid to Hooters, or worse, church where there's an infinitely higher chance of being sexually assaulted by a pastor, staff, or volunteer. There isn't a single case of a drag queen being charged with SA but there's thousands of church people that have been charged and tens of thousands never charged because it's swept under the rug. The right is actively stripping away rights of Americans and getting away with it in many red states. Abortion too. Way to control women you sick republican men! Over 385 anti-lgbt bills have been proposed at the state level. And who proposed them? All Republicans. You can't say with a straight face that they care about anyone. There's no empathy. Just hate and fear of those different from them. I've watched fox and it's nothing but fear mongering to rile up their base and keep they eyeballs glued to their channel. They scare their viewers everyday and it's always a "war on something" with them. While I agree with some fiscal ideas Republicans have, they will never get my vote as long as they hate America and it's people. Gen Z will completely annihilate their party and they're likely going to lose every election going forward if they don't pivot immediately. They'll only win state and local elections in rural areas where there's a bunch of red voters who continue to vote against themselves. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-08/2023-is-already-a-record-year-for-anti-lgbtq-bills-in-the-us?leadSource=uverify%20wall On Sat, Mar 25, 2023, 9:32 AM Mike Hammett wrote: > I wish AFMUG would stop going political. It really serves no purpose. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ---------- > *From: *"Adam Moffett" > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" , "Darin > Steffl" > *Sent: *Friday, March 24, 2023 5:18:36 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It has begun > > Why are we goin
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I wish AFMUG would stop going political. It really serves no purpose. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Adam Moffett" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" , "Darin Steffl" Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 5:18:36 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun Why are we going down this road again? Get Outlook for iOS From: AF on behalf of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 6:14:09 PM To: Darin Steffl ; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun Karl Marx Lenin Stalin Putin Pretty sure those dudes were far worst than Trump Even Castro Kim Jong Un Seriously you thing the far left are better? From: Darin Steffl Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 3:54 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun The extreme left is still better than the extreme right. I don't agree with either sides' extremes but if I had to pick one side, everyone being taken care of, like socialism, I'd pick that over the extreme right who wants to murder anyone different than them. Like far right pastors and supporters who call for violence and murder of gay people, people of color, and liberals. I can find thousands of posts and video from Republicans calling for sick things but very few liberals saying the same things. I don't see far left people calling for violence and murder of people they disagree with. So while there are two sides, one side is better than the other, as in less violent and extreme. I'd take free college for all, free Healthcare, and more from the extreme left over the extreme right who wants to ban books, kill people they disagree with, try to overturn elections, cheat, lie, steal, etc. Again, the left is the better choice when it comes to empathy and taking care of people. While an average republican might not agree with the far right, their silence is the same as being complicit in their sick beliefs. At least an average Democrat calls out the far left people like I do. I don't agree in wiping out all student loans, for example. And I've contacted democrats I've voted for to voice my opinions. I don't see Republicans calling out far right politicians who are spewing hate everyday. I wish they would but since they aren't, I assume they agree with the hate speech and calls for violence. The right is far sicker than the left in every regard. Donald being elected over Hillary will go down in history as one of the worst political events in our country. We would be a much nicer and stable country if Hillary won. The racists, bigots, and violent people would mostly be hiding still but Donald gave them permission to act out their hate when he was elected. It's very sad. People who still support Donald are bullies and hate America at this point. On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: Ouchie! You called me the C word... From: Robert Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 3:32 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun exactly this... What I have learned is there is such a thing as a good cult, which is what I consider the Mormon church to be. They have a few extreme points of view but on the whole they treat everyone ( now including other races ) reasonably... And they care about kids and back it up. On 3/24/23 2:12 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I loved what the Gov of Utah told a bunch of school kids yesterday. “Republicans are wrong about Democrats and Democrats are wrong about Republicans. Why? Here’s why — because, what we’re doing now is we’re only listening to the most extreme voices in those parties. So Republicans are only listening to the craziest Democrats and assuming that all Democrats are like that. Democrats are only listening to the craziest Republicans and assuming all Republicans are like that. When the difference between the average Democrat and the average Republican, really isn’t that big.” From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 12:37 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun There's no meaningful difference between authoritarian left and authoritarian right, which are what catch the most attention. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Darin Steffl" mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2023 9:40:58 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun To be fair, anything left leaning is better for humanity. The right doesn't seem to care about anyone different than them. There's very little empathy from the right so if AI is here, it's best that it cares about all people in the
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"The extreme left is still better than the extreme right." No. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Darin Steffl" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 4:54:44 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun The extreme left is still better than the extreme right. I don't agree with either sides' extremes but if I had to pick one side, everyone being taken care of, like socialism, I'd pick that over the extreme right who wants to murder anyone different than them. Like far right pastors and supporters who call for violence and murder of gay people, people of color, and liberals. I can find thousands of posts and video from Republicans calling for sick things but very few liberals saying the same things. I don't see far left people calling for violence and murder of people they disagree with. So while there are two sides, one side is better than the other, as in less violent and extreme. I'd take free college for all, free Healthcare, and more from the extreme left over the extreme right who wants to ban books, kill people they disagree with, try to overturn elections, cheat, lie, steal, etc. Again, the left is the better choice when it comes to empathy and taking care of people. While an average republican might not agree with the far right, their silence is the same as being complicit in their sick beliefs. At least an average Democrat calls out the far left people like I do. I don't agree in wiping out all student loans, for example. And I've contacted democrats I've voted for to voice my opinions. I don't see Republicans calling out far right politicians who are spewing hate everyday. I wish they would but since they aren't, I assume they agree with the hate speech and calls for violence. The right is far sicker than the left in every regard. Donald being elected over Hillary will go down in history as one of the worst political events in our country. We would be a much nicer and stable country if Hillary won. The racists, bigots, and violent people would mostly be hiding still but Donald gave them permission to act out their hate when he was elected. It's very sad. People who still support Donald are bullies and hate America at this point. On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: Ouchie! You called me the C word... From: Robert Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 3:32 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun exactly this... What I have learned is there is such a thing as a good cult, which is what I consider the Mormon church to be. They have a few extreme points of view but on the whole they treat everyone ( now including other races ) reasonably... And they care about kids and back it up. On 3/24/23 2:12 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I loved what the Gov of Utah told a bunch of school kids yesterday. “Republicans are wrong about Democrats and Democrats are wrong about Republicans. Why? Here’s why — because, what we’re doing now is we’re only listening to the most extreme voices in those parties. So Republicans are only listening to the craziest Democrats and assuming that all Democrats are like that. Democrats are only listening to the craziest Republicans and assuming all Republicans are like that. When the difference between the average Democrat and the average Republican, really isn’t that big.” From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 12:37 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun There's no meaningful difference between authoritarian left and authoritarian right, which are what catch the most attention. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Darin Steffl" mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2023 9:40:58 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun To be fair, anything left leaning is better for humanity. The right doesn't seem to care about anyone different than them. There's very little empathy from the right so if AI is here, it's best that it cares about all people in the information it provides. Don't bite my head off. I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I care about all people, even if I don't like them. On Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 6:25 PM Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/23/openai-connects-chatgpt-to-the-internet/ I have to admit, Ive been using the shit out of chatgpt, from writing configs, to search engine replacement that actually answers questions, and just general fuckery to see what I can get it to do. It wont kill engineers or turn off exhaust systems in the buil
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Then a voice cried out of the darkness, yellingtear the system down, down to the ground... To divide the cockeyed world in two Throw your pride to one side, it's the least you can do Beatniks and politics, nothin' is new A yardstick for lunatics, one point of view On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 10:09 PM Sean Heskett wrote: > Clowns to the left of me > Jokers to the right > Here I am stuck in the middle with you > > > > On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 6:03 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > >> Big circle. I am at the top, all you guys are to the left or right of me >> going down the sides of the circle, at the bottom we find q anon, antifa, >> proud boys, ISIS, Putin, MSNBC etc etc. >> >> I’ma gonna stay right on top dead center. >> >> Best Regards, >> Chuck McCown >> >> McCown Technology Corporation >> 8401 N Commerce Dr >> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/8401+N+%0D%0ACommerce+Dr+Lake+Point,+Utah+84074?entry=gmail=g> >> Lake Point, Utah 84074 >> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/8401+N+%0D%0ACommerce+Dr+Lake+Point,+Utah+84074?entry=gmail=g> >> 801-250-9503 Office >> 435-830-4306 Cell >> www.mccowntech.com >> www.microtrench.pro >> www.terabitnetworks.com >> >> *From:* Jason McKemie >> *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 5:12 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun >> >> I wouldn't put Putin on the left. Having said that, it's my opinion that >> the far left and far right converge, no meaningful difference as far as >> their damage potential to humanity. >> >> I agree with Steve that actual centrists are what is needed, and along >> with it some compromise between parties. >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 6:15 PM Chuck McCown via AF >> wrote: >> >>> Karl Marx >>> Lenin >>> Stalin >>> Putin >>> >>> Pretty sure those dudes were far worst than Trump >>> Even Castro >>> Kim Jong Un >>> >>> Seriously you thing the far left are better? >>> >>> *From:* Darin Steffl >>> *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 3:54 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun >>> >>> The extreme left is still better than the extreme right. >>> >>> I don't agree with either sides' extremes but if I had to pick one side, >>> everyone being taken care of, like socialism, I'd pick that over the >>> extreme right who wants to murder anyone different than them. Like far >>> right pastors and supporters who call for violence and murder of gay >>> people, people of color, and liberals. I can find thousands of posts and >>> video from Republicans calling for sick things but very few liberals saying >>> the same things. >>> >>> I don't see far left people calling for violence and murder of people >>> they disagree with. >>> >>> So while there are two sides, one side is better than the other, as in >>> less violent and extreme. >>> >>> I'd take free college for all, free Healthcare, and more from the >>> extreme left over the extreme right who wants to ban books, kill people >>> they disagree with, try to overturn elections, cheat, lie, steal, etc. >>> Again, the left is the better choice when it comes to empathy and taking >>> care of people. >>> >>> While an average republican might not agree with the far right, their >>> silence is the same as being complicit in their sick beliefs. >>> >>> At least an average Democrat calls out the far left people like I do. I >>> don't agree in wiping out all student loans, for example. And I've >>> contacted democrats I've voted for to voice my opinions. >>> >>> I don't see Republicans calling out far right politicians who are >>> spewing hate everyday. I wish they would but since they aren't, I assume >>> they agree with the hate speech and calls for violence. >>> >>> The right is far sicker than the left in every regard. Donald being >>> elected over Hillary will go down in history as one of the worst political >>> events in our country. We would be a much nicer and stable country if >>> Hillary won. The racists, bigots, and violent people would mostly be hiding >>> still but Donald gave them permission to act out their hate when he was >>> elected. It's very sad. >>> >>> People who still support Donald are bullies and hate America at this >>&g
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Why is Karl Marx on your list? All he did is write books. - Jared From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: "Darin Steffl" , "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Cc: "Chuck McCown" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun Karl Marx Lenin Stalin Putin Pretty sure those dudes were far worst than Trump Even Castro Kim Jong Un Seriously you thing the far left are better? From: Darin Steffl Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 3:54 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun The extreme left is still better than the extreme right. I don't agree with either sides' extremes but if I had to pick one side, everyone being taken care of, like socialism, I'd pick that over the extreme right who wants to murder anyone different than them. Like far right pastors and supporters who call for violence and murder of gay people, people of color, and liberals. I can find thousands of posts and video from Republicans calling for sick things but very few liberals saying the same things. I don't see far left people calling for violence and murder of people they disagree with. So while there are two sides, one side is better than the other, as in less violent and extreme. I'd take free college for all, free Healthcare, and more from the extreme left over the extreme right who wants to ban books, kill people they disagree with, try to overturn elections, cheat, lie, steal, etc. Again, the left is the better choice when it comes to empathy and taking care of people. While an average republican might not agree with the far right, their silence is the same as being complicit in their sick beliefs. At least an average Democrat calls out the far left people like I do. I don't agree in wiping out all student loans, for example. And I've contacted democrats I've voted for to voice my opinions. I don't see Republicans calling out far right politicians who are spewing hate everyday. I wish they would but since they aren't, I assume they agree with the hate speech and calls for violence. The right is far sicker than the left in every regard. Donald being elected over Hillary will go down in history as one of the worst political events in our country. We would be a much nicer and stable country if Hillary won. The racists, bigots, and violent people would mostly be hiding still but Donald gave them permission to act out their hate when he was elected. It's very sad. People who still support Donald are bullies and hate America at this point. On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Ouchie! You called me the C word... From: Robert Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 3:32 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun exactly this... What I have learned is there is such a thing as a good cult, which is what I consider the Mormon church to be. They have a few extreme points of view but on the whole they treat everyone ( now including other races ) reasonably... And they care about kids and back it up. On 3/24/23 2:12 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I loved what the Gov of Utah told a bunch of school kids yesterday. “Republicans are wrong about Democrats and Democrats are wrong about Republicans. Why? Here’s why — because, what we’re doing now is we’re only listening to the most extreme voices in those parties. So Republicans are only listening to the craziest Democrats and assuming that all Democrats are like that. Democrats are only listening to the craziest Republicans and assuming all Republicans are like that. When the difference between the average Democrat and the average Republican, really isn’t that big.” From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 12:37 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun There's no meaningful difference between authoritarian left and authoritarian right, which are what catch the most attention. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/] [https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL][https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb][https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions][https://twitter.com/ICSIL] Midwest Internet Exchange[http://www.midwest-ix.com/] [https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix][https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange][https://twitter.com/mdwestix] The Brothers WISP[http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/] [https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp][https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg] From: "Darin Steffl" mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2023 9:40:58 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun To be fair, anything left leaning is better for humanity. The right doesn't seem to care about anyone different than them. There's very little empat
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That's the shit jehovah's witness tried doing with me. Some real cult like stalking shit. I went to service once and they had the chairs in a half circle with me and her in the front center. Crazy On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 10:30 PM Robert wrote: > But it's a good C... The one that I contemplated joining in my 20's when > they dangled a very cute girl in front of me... > > On 3/24/23 6:22 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > > Shots fired. > > On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > >> Ouchie! >> You called me the C word... >> >> >> *From:* Robert >> *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 3:32 PM >> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun >> >> exactly this... What I have learned is there is such a thing as a good >> cult, which is what I consider the Mormon church to be. They have a few >> extreme points of view but on the whole they treat everyone ( now including >> other races ) reasonably... And they care about kids and back it up. >> >> On 3/24/23 2:12 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: >> >> I loved what the Gov of Utah told a bunch of school kids yesterday. >> >> “Republicans are wrong about Democrats and Democrats are wrong about >> Republicans. Why? Here’s why — because, what we’re doing now is we’re only >> listening to the most extreme voices in those parties. So Republicans are >> only listening to the craziest Democrats and assuming that all Democrats >> are like that. Democrats are only listening to the craziest Republicans and >> assuming all Republicans are like that. When the difference between the >> average Democrat and the average Republican, really isn’t that big.” >> >> *From:* Mike Hammett >> *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 12:37 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun >> >> There's no meaningful difference between authoritarian left and >> authoritarian right, which are what catch the most attention. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> -- >> *From: *"Darin Steffl" mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com >> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com >> *Sent: *Thursday, March 23, 2023 9:40:58 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It has begun >> >> To be fair, anything left leaning is better for humanity. The right >> doesn't seem to care about anyone different than them. There's very little >> empathy from the right so if AI is here, it's best that it cares about all >> people in the information it provides. >> >> Don't bite my head off. I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I >> care about all people, even if I don't like them. >> >> On Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 6:25 PM Steve Jones >> wrote: >> >>> >>> https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/23/openai-connects-chatgpt-to-the-internet/ >>> >>> >>> I have to admit, Ive been using the shit out of chatgpt, from writing >>> configs, to search engine replacement that actually answers questions, and >>> just general fuckery to see what I can get it to do. It wont kill engineers >>> or turn off exhaust systems in the building if you were curious. It does >>> have a massive left leaning political bias. >>> >>> But some of the stuff it couldnt do because it wasnt connected to the >>> internet, so now ill be back at it. I hope i can get it to do some wargames >>> stuff. >>> >>> ... >>> >>> would you like to play a game >>> >>> Sure, I would love to play a game with you! What game would you like to >>> play? >>> [image: Steve Jones] >>> global thermo nuclear warfare >>> >>> I'm sorry, but I cannot play a game of global thermonuclear warfare with >>> you as it is not a real game, but rather
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Clowns to the left of me Jokers to the right Here I am stuck in the middle with you On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 6:03 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > Big circle. I am at the top, all you guys are to the left or right of me > going down the sides of the circle, at the bottom we find q anon, antifa, > proud boys, ISIS, Putin, MSNBC etc etc. > > I’ma gonna stay right on top dead center. > > Best Regards, > Chuck McCown > > McCown Technology Corporation > 8401 N Commerce Dr > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/8401+N+%0D%0ACommerce+Dr+Lake+Point,+Utah+84074?entry=gmail=g> > Lake Point, Utah 84074 > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/8401+N+%0D%0ACommerce+Dr+Lake+Point,+Utah+84074?entry=gmail=g> > 801-250-9503 Office > 435-830-4306 Cell > www.mccowntech.com > www.microtrench.pro > www.terabitnetworks.com > > *From:* Jason McKemie > *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 5:12 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun > > I wouldn't put Putin on the left. Having said that, it's my opinion that > the far left and far right converge, no meaningful difference as far as > their damage potential to humanity. > > I agree with Steve that actual centrists are what is needed, and along > with it some compromise between parties. > > > On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 6:15 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > >> Karl Marx >> Lenin >> Stalin >> Putin >> >> Pretty sure those dudes were far worst than Trump >> Even Castro >> Kim Jong Un >> >> Seriously you thing the far left are better? >> >> *From:* Darin Steffl >> *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 3:54 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Cc:* Chuck McCown >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun >> >> The extreme left is still better than the extreme right. >> >> I don't agree with either sides' extremes but if I had to pick one side, >> everyone being taken care of, like socialism, I'd pick that over the >> extreme right who wants to murder anyone different than them. Like far >> right pastors and supporters who call for violence and murder of gay >> people, people of color, and liberals. I can find thousands of posts and >> video from Republicans calling for sick things but very few liberals saying >> the same things. >> >> I don't see far left people calling for violence and murder of people >> they disagree with. >> >> So while there are two sides, one side is better than the other, as in >> less violent and extreme. >> >> I'd take free college for all, free Healthcare, and more from the extreme >> left over the extreme right who wants to ban books, kill people they >> disagree with, try to overturn elections, cheat, lie, steal, etc. Again, >> the left is the better choice when it comes to empathy and taking care of >> people. >> >> While an average republican might not agree with the far right, their >> silence is the same as being complicit in their sick beliefs. >> >> At least an average Democrat calls out the far left people like I do. I >> don't agree in wiping out all student loans, for example. And I've >> contacted democrats I've voted for to voice my opinions. >> >> I don't see Republicans calling out far right politicians who are spewing >> hate everyday. I wish they would but since they aren't, I assume they agree >> with the hate speech and calls for violence. >> >> The right is far sicker than the left in every regard. Donald being >> elected over Hillary will go down in history as one of the worst political >> events in our country. We would be a much nicer and stable country if >> Hillary won. The racists, bigots, and violent people would mostly be hiding >> still but Donald gave them permission to act out their hate when he was >> elected. It's very sad. >> >> People who still support Donald are bullies and hate America at this >> point. >> >> On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF >> wrote: >> >>> Ouchie! >>> You called me the C word... >>> >>> >>> *From:* Robert >>> *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 3:32 PM >>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun >>> >>> exactly this... What I have learned is there is such a thing as a good >>> cult, which is what I consider the Mormon church to be. They have a few >>> extreme points of view but on the whole they treat everyone ( now including >>> other races ) reasonably... And they care about kids and back it up. >>> >>> On 3/24
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But it's a good C... The one that I contemplated joining in my 20's when they dangled a very cute girl in front of me... On 3/24/23 6:22 PM, Steve Jones wrote: Shots fired. On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Ouchie! You called me the C word... *From:* Robert *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 3:32 PM *To:* af@af.afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun exactly this... What I have learned is there is such a thing as a good cult, which is what I consider the Mormon church to be. They have a few extreme points of view but on the whole they treat everyone ( now including other races ) reasonably... And they care about kids and back it up. On 3/24/23 2:12 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I loved what the Gov of Utah told a bunch of school kids yesterday. “Republicans are wrong about Democratsand Democrats are wrong about Republicans. Why? Here’s why — because, what we’re doing now is we’re only listening to the most extreme voices in those parties. So Republicans are only listening to the craziest Democrats and assuming that all Democrats are like that. Democrats are only listening to the craziest Republicans and assuming all Republicans are like that. When the difference between the average Democrat and the average Republican, really isn’t that big.” *From:* Mike Hammett *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 12:37 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun There's no meaningful difference between authoritarian left and authoritarian right, which are what catch the most attention. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> *From: *"Darin Steffl" mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, March 23, 2023 9:40:58 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It has begun To be fair, anything left leaning is better for humanity. The right doesn't seem to care about anyone different than them. There's very little empathy from the right so if AI is here, it's best that it cares about all people in the information it provides. Don't bite my head off. I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I care about all people, even if I don't like them. On Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 6:25 PM Steve Jones wrote: https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/23/openai-connects-chatgpt-to-the-internet/ I have to admit, Ive been using the shit out of chatgpt, from writing configs, to search engine replacement that actually answers questions, and just general fuckery to see what I can get it to do. It wont kill engineers or turn off exhaust systems in the building if you were curious. It does have a massive left leaning political bias. But some of the stuff it couldnt do because it wasnt connected to the internet, so now ill be back at it. I hope i can get it to do some wargames stuff. ... would you like to play a game Sure, I would love to play a game with you! What game would you like to play? Steve Jones global thermo nuclear warfare I'm sorry, but I cannot play a game of global thermonuclear warfare with you as it is not a real game, but rather a fictional concept popularized by the 1983 film "WarGames." Additionally, it is not appropriate to simulate a scenario involving nuclear weapons as it could be potentially harmful and insensitive to those affected by nuclear weapons in the past. Is there another game you would like to play instead?'' -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Lol,and when the money runs out, you get shot. Is that really a win? On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 4:55 PM Darin Steffl wrote: > The extreme left is still better than the extreme right. > > I don't agree with either sides' extremes but if I had to pick one side, > everyone being taken care of, like socialism, I'd pick that over the > extreme right who wants to murder anyone different than them. Like far > right pastors and supporters who call for violence and murder of gay > people, people of color, and liberals. I can find thousands of posts and > video from Republicans calling for sick things but very few liberals saying > the same things. > > I don't see far left people calling for violence and murder of people they > disagree with. > > So while there are two sides, one side is better than the other, as in > less violent and extreme. > > I'd take free college for all, free Healthcare, and more from the extreme > left over the extreme right who wants to ban books, kill people they > disagree with, try to overturn elections, cheat, lie, steal, etc. Again, > the left is the better choice when it comes to empathy and taking care of > people. > > While an average republican might not agree with the far right, their > silence is the same as being complicit in their sick beliefs. > > At least an average Democrat calls out the far left people like I do. I > don't agree in wiping out all student loans, for example. And I've > contacted democrats I've voted for to voice my opinions. > > I don't see Republicans calling out far right politicians who are spewing > hate everyday. I wish they would but since they aren't, I assume they agree > with the hate speech and calls for violence. > > The right is far sicker than the left in every regard. Donald being > elected over Hillary will go down in history as one of the worst political > events in our country. We would be a much nicer and stable country if > Hillary won. The racists, bigots, and violent people would mostly be hiding > still but Donald gave them permission to act out their hate when he was > elected. It's very sad. > > People who still support Donald are bullies and hate America at this point. > > On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > >> Ouchie! >> You called me the C word... >> >> >> *From:* Robert >> *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 3:32 PM >> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun >> >> exactly this... What I have learned is there is such a thing as a good >> cult, which is what I consider the Mormon church to be. They have a few >> extreme points of view but on the whole they treat everyone ( now including >> other races ) reasonably... And they care about kids and back it up. >> >> On 3/24/23 2:12 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: >> >> I loved what the Gov of Utah told a bunch of school kids yesterday. >> >> “Republicans are wrong about Democrats and Democrats are wrong about >> Republicans. Why? Here’s why — because, what we’re doing now is we’re only >> listening to the most extreme voices in those parties. So Republicans are >> only listening to the craziest Democrats and assuming that all Democrats >> are like that. Democrats are only listening to the craziest Republicans and >> assuming all Republicans are like that. When the difference between the >> average Democrat and the average Republican, really isn’t that big.” >> >> *From:* Mike Hammett >> *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 12:37 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun >> >> There's no meaningful difference between authoritarian left and >> authoritarian right, which are what catch the most attention. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> -- >> *From: *"Darin Steffl" mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com >> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwav
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Shots fired. On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > Ouchie! > You called me the C word... > > > *From:* Robert > *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 3:32 PM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun > > exactly this... What I have learned is there is such a thing as a good > cult, which is what I consider the Mormon church to be. They have a few > extreme points of view but on the whole they treat everyone ( now including > other races ) reasonably... And they care about kids and back it up. > > On 3/24/23 2:12 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > > I loved what the Gov of Utah told a bunch of school kids yesterday. > > “Republicans are wrong about Democrats and Democrats are wrong about > Republicans. Why? Here’s why — because, what we’re doing now is we’re only > listening to the most extreme voices in those parties. So Republicans are > only listening to the craziest Democrats and assuming that all Democrats > are like that. Democrats are only listening to the craziest Republicans and > assuming all Republicans are like that. When the difference between the > average Democrat and the average Republican, really isn’t that big.” > > *From:* Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 12:37 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun > > There's no meaningful difference between authoritarian left and > authoritarian right, which are what catch the most attention. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > *From: *"Darin Steffl" mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com > *Sent: *Thursday, March 23, 2023 9:40:58 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It has begun > > To be fair, anything left leaning is better for humanity. The right > doesn't seem to care about anyone different than them. There's very little > empathy from the right so if AI is here, it's best that it cares about all > people in the information it provides. > > Don't bite my head off. I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I > care about all people, even if I don't like them. > > On Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 6:25 PM Steve Jones > wrote: > >> https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/23/openai-connects-chatgpt-to-the-internet/ >> >> >> I have to admit, Ive been using the shit out of chatgpt, from writing >> configs, to search engine replacement that actually answers questions, and >> just general fuckery to see what I can get it to do. It wont kill engineers >> or turn off exhaust systems in the building if you were curious. It does >> have a massive left leaning political bias. >> >> But some of the stuff it couldnt do because it wasnt connected to the >> internet, so now ill be back at it. I hope i can get it to do some wargames >> stuff. >> >> ... >> >> would you like to play a game >> >> Sure, I would love to play a game with you! What game would you like to >> play? >> [image: Steve Jones] >> global thermo nuclear warfare >> >> I'm sorry, but I cannot play a game of global thermonuclear warfare with >> you as it is not a real game, but rather a fictional concept popularized by >> the 1983 film "WarGames." Additionally, it is not appropriate to simulate a >> scenario involving nuclear weapons as it could be potentially harmful and >> insensitive to those affected by nuclear weapons in the past. Is there >> another game you would like to play instead?'' >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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But you don’t understand, those with huge hands get to write the rules... From: Robert Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 6:06 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun He was willing to say _anything_ to his base to appease them. I doubt he believes in anything, except his own brilliance and ability to manipulate the system. His only goal is to be royalty and above the law. He admires anyone who has attained that and it is probably all that he studies. On 3/24/23 4:43 PM, Bill Prince wrote: I wouldn't put Putin or Kim Jong Un on the left. What I struggle with is the Great Orange Jesus (GOJ). Is he left or right? I say neither extreme left or right. Just extreme. He got a bunch of the extreme right to side with him, but I don't believe he was on anyone's side but his own. bp On 3/24/2023 3:14 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Karl Marx Lenin Stalin Putin Pretty sure those dudes were far worst than Trump Even Castro Kim Jong Un Seriously you thing the far left are better? From: Darin Steffl Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 3:54 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun The extreme left is still better than the extreme right. I don't agree with either sides' extremes but if I had to pick one side, everyone being taken care of, like socialism, I'd pick that over the extreme right who wants to murder anyone different than them. Like far right pastors and supporters who call for violence and murder of gay people, people of color, and liberals. I can find thousands of posts and video from Republicans calling for sick things but very few liberals saying the same things. I don't see far left people calling for violence and murder of people they disagree with. So while there are two sides, one side is better than the other, as in less violent and extreme. I'd take free college for all, free Healthcare, and more from the extreme left over the extreme right who wants to ban books, kill people they disagree with, try to overturn elections, cheat, lie, steal, etc. Again, the left is the better choice when it comes to empathy and taking care of people. While an average republican might not agree with the far right, their silence is the same as being complicit in their sick beliefs. At least an average Democrat calls out the far left people like I do. I don't agree in wiping out all student loans, for example. And I've contacted democrats I've voted for to voice my opinions. I don't see Republicans calling out far right politicians who are spewing hate everyday. I wish they would but since they aren't, I assume they agree with the hate speech and calls for violence. The right is far sicker than the left in every regard. Donald being elected over Hillary will go down in history as one of the worst political events in our country. We would be a much nicer and stable country if Hillary won. The racists, bigots, and violent people would mostly be hiding still but Donald gave them permission to act out their hate when he was elected. It's very sad. People who still support Donald are bullies and hate America at this point. On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Ouchie! You called me the C word... From: Robert Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 3:32 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun exactly this... What I have learned is there is such a thing as a good cult, which is what I consider the Mormon church to be. They have a few extreme points of view but on the whole they treat everyone ( now including other races ) reasonably... And they care about kids and back it up. On 3/24/23 2:12 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I loved what the Gov of Utah told a bunch of school kids yesterday. “Republicans are wrong about Democrats and Democrats are wrong about Republicans. Why? Here’s why — because, what we’re doing now is we’re only listening to the most extreme voices in those parties. So Republicans are only listening to the craziest Democrats and assuming that all Democrats are like that. Democrats are only listening to the craziest Republicans and assuming all Republicans are like that. When the difference between the average Democrat and the average Republican, really isn’t that big.” From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 12:37 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun There's no meaningful difference between authoritarian left and authoritarian right, which are what catch the most attention. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP
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He was willing to say _anything_ to his base to appease them. I doubt he believes in anything, except his own brilliance and ability to manipulate the system. His only goal is to be royalty and above the law. He admires anyone who has attained that and it is probably all that he studies. On 3/24/23 4:43 PM, Bill Prince wrote: I wouldn't put Putin or Kim Jong Un on the left. What I struggle with is the Great Orange Jesus (GOJ). Is he left or right? I say neither extreme left or right. Just extreme. He got a bunch of the extreme right to side with him, but I don't believe he was on anyone's side but his own. bp On 3/24/2023 3:14 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Karl Marx Lenin Stalin Putin Pretty sure those dudes were far worst than Trump Even Castro Kim Jong Un Seriously you thing the far left are better? *From:* Darin Steffl *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 3:54 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Cc:* Chuck McCown *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun The extreme left is still better than the extreme right. I don't agree with either sides' extremes but if I had to pick one side, everyone being taken care of, like socialism, I'd pick that over the extreme right who wants to murder anyone different than them. Like far right pastors and supporters who call for violence and murder of gay people, people of color, and liberals. I can find thousands of posts and video from Republicans calling for sick things but very few liberals saying the same things. I don't see far left people calling for violence and murder of people they disagree with. So while there are two sides, one side is better than the other, as in less violent and extreme. I'd take free college for all, free Healthcare, and more from the extreme left over the extreme right who wants to ban books, kill people they disagree with, try to overturn elections, cheat, lie, steal, etc. Again, the left is the better choice when it comes to empathy and taking care of people. While an average republican might not agree with the far right, their silence is the same as being complicit in their sick beliefs. At least an average Democrat calls out the far left people like I do. I don't agree in wiping out all student loans, for example. And I've contacted democrats I've voted for to voice my opinions. I don't see Republicans calling out far right politicians who are spewing hate everyday. I wish they would but since they aren't, I assume they agree with the hate speech and calls for violence. The right is far sicker than the left in every regard. Donald being elected over Hillary will go down in history as one of the worst political events in our country. We would be a much nicer and stable country if Hillary won. The racists, bigots, and violent people would mostly be hiding still but Donald gave them permission to act out their hate when he was elected. It's very sad. People who still support Donald are bullies and hate America at this point. On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Ouchie! You called me the C word... *From:* Robert *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 3:32 PM *To:* af@af.afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun exactly this... What I have learned is there is such a thing as a good cult, which is what I consider the Mormon church to be. They have a few extreme points of view but on the whole they treat everyone ( now including other races ) reasonably... And they care about kids and back it up. On 3/24/23 2:12 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I loved what the Gov of Utah told a bunch of school kids yesterday. “Republicans are wrong about Democratsand Democrats are wrong about Republicans. Why? Here’s why — because, what we’re doing now is we’re only listening to the most extreme voices in those parties. So Republicans are only listening to the craziest Democrats and assuming that all Democrats are like that. Democrats are only listening to the craziest Republicans and assuming all Republicans are like that. When the difference between the average Democrat and the average Republican, really isn’t that big.” *From:* Mike Hammett *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 12:37 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun There's no meaningful difference between authoritarian left and authoritarian right, which are what catch the most attention. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https:
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In today's politics, what exactly is the definition for right and left? On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 6:45 PM Bill Prince wrote: > I wouldn't put Putin or Kim Jong Un on the left. > > What I struggle with is the Great Orange Jesus (GOJ). Is he left or right? > I say neither extreme left or right. Just extreme. He got a bunch of the > extreme right to side with him, but I don't believe he was on anyone's side > but his own. > > > > bp > > > On 3/24/2023 3:14 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > > Karl Marx > Lenin > Stalin > Putin > > Pretty sure those dudes were far worst than Trump > Even Castro > Kim Jong Un > > Seriously you thing the far left are better? > > *From:* Darin Steffl > *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 3:54 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Cc:* Chuck McCown > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun > > The extreme left is still better than the extreme right. > > I don't agree with either sides' extremes but if I had to pick one side, > everyone being taken care of, like socialism, I'd pick that over the > extreme right who wants to murder anyone different than them. Like far > right pastors and supporters who call for violence and murder of gay > people, people of color, and liberals. I can find thousands of posts and > video from Republicans calling for sick things but very few liberals saying > the same things. > > I don't see far left people calling for violence and murder of people they > disagree with. > > So while there are two sides, one side is better than the other, as in > less violent and extreme. > > I'd take free college for all, free Healthcare, and more from the extreme > left over the extreme right who wants to ban books, kill people they > disagree with, try to overturn elections, cheat, lie, steal, etc. Again, > the left is the better choice when it comes to empathy and taking care of > people. > > While an average republican might not agree with the far right, their > silence is the same as being complicit in their sick beliefs. > > At least an average Democrat calls out the far left people like I do. I > don't agree in wiping out all student loans, for example. And I've > contacted democrats I've voted for to voice my opinions. > > I don't see Republicans calling out far right politicians who are spewing > hate everyday. I wish they would but since they aren't, I assume they agree > with the hate speech and calls for violence. > > The right is far sicker than the left in every regard. Donald being > elected over Hillary will go down in history as one of the worst political > events in our country. We would be a much nicer and stable country if > Hillary won. The racists, bigots, and violent people would mostly be hiding > still but Donald gave them permission to act out their hate when he was > elected. It's very sad. > > People who still support Donald are bullies and hate America at this point. > > On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > >> Ouchie! >> You called me the C word... >> >> >> *From:* Robert >> *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 3:32 PM >> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun >> >> exactly this... What I have learned is there is such a thing as a good >> cult, which is what I consider the Mormon church to be. They have a few >> extreme points of view but on the whole they treat everyone ( now including >> other races ) reasonably... And they care about kids and back it up. >> >> On 3/24/23 2:12 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: >> >> I loved what the Gov of Utah told a bunch of school kids yesterday. >> >> “Republicans are wrong about Democrats and Democrats are wrong about >> Republicans. Why? Here’s why — because, what we’re doing now is we’re only >> listening to the most extreme voices in those parties. So Republicans are >> only listening to the craziest Democrats and assuming that all Democrats >> are like that. Democrats are only listening to the craziest Republicans and >> assuming all Republicans are like that. When the difference between the >> average Democrat and the average Republican, really isn’t that big.” >> >> *From:* Mike Hammett >> *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 12:37 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun >> >> There's no meaningful difference between authoritarian left and >> authoritarian right, which are what catch the most attention. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> &
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Big circle. I am at the top, all you guys are to the left or right of me going down the sides of the circle, at the bottom we find q anon, antifa, proud boys, ISIS, Putin, MSNBC etc etc. I’ma gonna stay right on top dead center. Best Regards, Chuck McCown McCown Technology Corporation 8401 N Commerce Dr Lake Point, Utah 84074 801-250-9503 Office 435-830-4306 Cell www.mccowntech.com www.microtrench.pro www.terabitnetworks.com From: Jason McKemie Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 5:12 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun I wouldn't put Putin on the left. Having said that, it's my opinion that the far left and far right converge, no meaningful difference as far as their damage potential to humanity. I agree with Steve that actual centrists are what is needed, and along with it some compromise between parties. On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 6:15 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Karl Marx Lenin Stalin Putin Pretty sure those dudes were far worst than Trump Even Castro Kim Jong Un Seriously you thing the far left are better? From: Darin Steffl Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 3:54 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun The extreme left is still better than the extreme right. I don't agree with either sides' extremes but if I had to pick one side, everyone being taken care of, like socialism, I'd pick that over the extreme right who wants to murder anyone different than them. Like far right pastors and supporters who call for violence and murder of gay people, people of color, and liberals. I can find thousands of posts and video from Republicans calling for sick things but very few liberals saying the same things. I don't see far left people calling for violence and murder of people they disagree with. So while there are two sides, one side is better than the other, as in less violent and extreme. I'd take free college for all, free Healthcare, and more from the extreme left over the extreme right who wants to ban books, kill people they disagree with, try to overturn elections, cheat, lie, steal, etc. Again, the left is the better choice when it comes to empathy and taking care of people. While an average republican might not agree with the far right, their silence is the same as being complicit in their sick beliefs. At least an average Democrat calls out the far left people like I do. I don't agree in wiping out all student loans, for example. And I've contacted democrats I've voted for to voice my opinions. I don't see Republicans calling out far right politicians who are spewing hate everyday. I wish they would but since they aren't, I assume they agree with the hate speech and calls for violence. The right is far sicker than the left in every regard. Donald being elected over Hillary will go down in history as one of the worst political events in our country. We would be a much nicer and stable country if Hillary won. The racists, bigots, and violent people would mostly be hiding still but Donald gave them permission to act out their hate when he was elected. It's very sad. People who still support Donald are bullies and hate America at this point. On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Ouchie! You called me the C word... From: Robert Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 3:32 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun exactly this... What I have learned is there is such a thing as a good cult, which is what I consider the Mormon church to be. They have a few extreme points of view but on the whole they treat everyone ( now including other races ) reasonably... And they care about kids and back it up. On 3/24/23 2:12 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I loved what the Gov of Utah told a bunch of school kids yesterday. “Republicans are wrong about Democrats and Democrats are wrong about Republicans. Why? Here’s why — because, what we’re doing now is we’re only listening to the most extreme voices in those parties. So Republicans are only listening to the craziest Democrats and assuming that all Democrats are like that. Democrats are only listening to the craziest Republicans and assuming all Republicans are like that. When the difference between the average Democrat and the average Republican, really isn’t that big.” From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 12:37 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun There's no meaningful difference between authoritarian left and authoritarian right, which are what catch the most attention. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -- From: "Darin S
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I wouldn't put Putin or Kim Jong Un on the left. What I struggle with is the Great Orange Jesus (GOJ). Is he left or right? I say neither extreme left or right. Just extreme. He got a bunch of the extreme right to side with him, but I don't believe he was on anyone's side but his own. bp On 3/24/2023 3:14 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Karl Marx Lenin Stalin Putin Pretty sure those dudes were far worst than Trump Even Castro Kim Jong Un Seriously you thing the far left are better? *From:* Darin Steffl *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 3:54 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Cc:* Chuck McCown *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun The extreme left is still better than the extreme right. I don't agree with either sides' extremes but if I had to pick one side, everyone being taken care of, like socialism, I'd pick that over the extreme right who wants to murder anyone different than them. Like far right pastors and supporters who call for violence and murder of gay people, people of color, and liberals. I can find thousands of posts and video from Republicans calling for sick things but very few liberals saying the same things. I don't see far left people calling for violence and murder of people they disagree with. So while there are two sides, one side is better than the other, as in less violent and extreme. I'd take free college for all, free Healthcare, and more from the extreme left over the extreme right who wants to ban books, kill people they disagree with, try to overturn elections, cheat, lie, steal, etc. Again, the left is the better choice when it comes to empathy and taking care of people. While an average republican might not agree with the far right, their silence is the same as being complicit in their sick beliefs. At least an average Democrat calls out the far left people like I do. I don't agree in wiping out all student loans, for example. And I've contacted democrats I've voted for to voice my opinions. I don't see Republicans calling out far right politicians who are spewing hate everyday. I wish they would but since they aren't, I assume they agree with the hate speech and calls for violence. The right is far sicker than the left in every regard. Donald being elected over Hillary will go down in history as one of the worst political events in our country. We would be a much nicer and stable country if Hillary won. The racists, bigots, and violent people would mostly be hiding still but Donald gave them permission to act out their hate when he was elected. It's very sad. People who still support Donald are bullies and hate America at this point. On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Ouchie! You called me the C word... *From:* Robert *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 3:32 PM *To:* af@af.afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun exactly this... What I have learned is there is such a thing as a good cult, which is what I consider the Mormon church to be. They have a few extreme points of view but on the whole they treat everyone ( now including other races ) reasonably... And they care about kids and back it up. On 3/24/23 2:12 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I loved what the Gov of Utah told a bunch of school kids yesterday. “Republicans are wrong about Democratsand Democrats are wrong about Republicans. Why? Here’s why — because, what we’re doing now is we’re only listening to the most extreme voices in those parties. So Republicans are only listening to the craziest Democrats and assuming that all Democrats are like that. Democrats are only listening to the craziest Republicans and assuming all Republicans are like that. When the difference between the average Democrat and the average Republican, really isn’t that big.” *From:* Mike Hammett *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 12:37 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun There's no meaningful difference between authoritarian left and authoritarian right, which are what catch the most attention. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> *From: *"Darin Steffl" mailto:darin.ste
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I wouldn't put Putin on the left. Having said that, it's my opinion that the far left and far right converge, no meaningful difference as far as their damage potential to humanity. I agree with Steve that actual centrists are what is needed, and along with it some compromise between parties. On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 6:15 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > Karl Marx > Lenin > Stalin > Putin > > Pretty sure those dudes were far worst than Trump > Even Castro > Kim Jong Un > > Seriously you thing the far left are better? > > *From:* Darin Steffl > *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 3:54 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Cc:* Chuck McCown > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun > > The extreme left is still better than the extreme right. > > I don't agree with either sides' extremes but if I had to pick one side, > everyone being taken care of, like socialism, I'd pick that over the > extreme right who wants to murder anyone different than them. Like far > right pastors and supporters who call for violence and murder of gay > people, people of color, and liberals. I can find thousands of posts and > video from Republicans calling for sick things but very few liberals saying > the same things. > > I don't see far left people calling for violence and murder of people they > disagree with. > > So while there are two sides, one side is better than the other, as in > less violent and extreme. > > I'd take free college for all, free Healthcare, and more from the extreme > left over the extreme right who wants to ban books, kill people they > disagree with, try to overturn elections, cheat, lie, steal, etc. Again, > the left is the better choice when it comes to empathy and taking care of > people. > > While an average republican might not agree with the far right, their > silence is the same as being complicit in their sick beliefs. > > At least an average Democrat calls out the far left people like I do. I > don't agree in wiping out all student loans, for example. And I've > contacted democrats I've voted for to voice my opinions. > > I don't see Republicans calling out far right politicians who are spewing > hate everyday. I wish they would but since they aren't, I assume they agree > with the hate speech and calls for violence. > > The right is far sicker than the left in every regard. Donald being > elected over Hillary will go down in history as one of the worst political > events in our country. We would be a much nicer and stable country if > Hillary won. The racists, bigots, and violent people would mostly be hiding > still but Donald gave them permission to act out their hate when he was > elected. It's very sad. > > People who still support Donald are bullies and hate America at this point. > > On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > >> Ouchie! >> You called me the C word... >> >> >> *From:* Robert >> *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 3:32 PM >> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun >> >> exactly this... What I have learned is there is such a thing as a good >> cult, which is what I consider the Mormon church to be. They have a few >> extreme points of view but on the whole they treat everyone ( now including >> other races ) reasonably... And they care about kids and back it up. >> >> On 3/24/23 2:12 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: >> >> I loved what the Gov of Utah told a bunch of school kids yesterday. >> >> “Republicans are wrong about Democrats and Democrats are wrong about >> Republicans. Why? Here’s why — because, what we’re doing now is we’re only >> listening to the most extreme voices in those parties. So Republicans are >> only listening to the craziest Democrats and assuming that all Democrats >> are like that. Democrats are only listening to the craziest Republicans and >> assuming all Republicans are like that. When the difference between the >> average Democrat and the average Republican, really isn’t that big.” >> >> *From:* Mike Hammett >> *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 12:37 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun >> >> There's no meaningful difference between authoritarian left and >> authoritarian right, which are what catch the most attention. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitt
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Why are we going down this road again? Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> From: AF on behalf of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 6:14:09 PM To: Darin Steffl ; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun Karl Marx Lenin Stalin Putin Pretty sure those dudes were far worst than Trump Even Castro Kim Jong Un Seriously you thing the far left are better? From: Darin Steffl Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 3:54 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun The extreme left is still better than the extreme right. I don't agree with either sides' extremes but if I had to pick one side, everyone being taken care of, like socialism, I'd pick that over the extreme right who wants to murder anyone different than them. Like far right pastors and supporters who call for violence and murder of gay people, people of color, and liberals. I can find thousands of posts and video from Republicans calling for sick things but very few liberals saying the same things. I don't see far left people calling for violence and murder of people they disagree with. So while there are two sides, one side is better than the other, as in less violent and extreme. I'd take free college for all, free Healthcare, and more from the extreme left over the extreme right who wants to ban books, kill people they disagree with, try to overturn elections, cheat, lie, steal, etc. Again, the left is the better choice when it comes to empathy and taking care of people. While an average republican might not agree with the far right, their silence is the same as being complicit in their sick beliefs. At least an average Democrat calls out the far left people like I do. I don't agree in wiping out all student loans, for example. And I've contacted democrats I've voted for to voice my opinions. I don't see Republicans calling out far right politicians who are spewing hate everyday. I wish they would but since they aren't, I assume they agree with the hate speech and calls for violence. The right is far sicker than the left in every regard. Donald being elected over Hillary will go down in history as one of the worst political events in our country. We would be a much nicer and stable country if Hillary won. The racists, bigots, and violent people would mostly be hiding still but Donald gave them permission to act out their hate when he was elected. It's very sad. People who still support Donald are bullies and hate America at this point. On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Ouchie! You called me the C word... From: Robert Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 3:32 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun exactly this... What I have learned is there is such a thing as a good cult, which is what I consider the Mormon church to be. They have a few extreme points of view but on the whole they treat everyone ( now including other races ) reasonably... And they care about kids and back it up. On 3/24/23 2:12 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I loved what the Gov of Utah told a bunch of school kids yesterday. “Republicans are wrong about Democrats and Democrats are wrong about Republicans. Why? Here’s why — because, what we’re doing now is we’re only listening to the most extreme voices in those parties. So Republicans are only listening to the craziest Democrats and assuming that all Democrats are like that. Democrats are only listening to the craziest Republicans and assuming all Republicans are like that. When the difference between the average Democrat and the average Republican, really isn’t that big.” From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 12:37 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun There's no meaningful difference between authoritarian left and authoritarian right, which are what catch the most attention. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/yout
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Karl Marx
Lenin
Stalin
Putin
Pretty sure those dudes were far worst than Trump
Even Castro
Kim Jong Un
Seriously you thing the far left are better?
From: Darin Steffl
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 3:54 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun
The extreme left is still better than the extreme right.
I don't agree with either sides' extremes but if I had to pick one side,
everyone being taken care of, like socialism, I'd pick that over the extreme
right who wants to murder anyone different than them. Like far right pastors
and supporters who call for violence and murder of gay people, people of color,
and liberals. I can find thousands of posts and video from Republicans calling
for sick things but very few liberals saying the same things.
I don't see far left people calling for violence and murder of people they
disagree with.
So while there are two sides, one side is better than the other, as in less
violent and extreme.
I'd take free college for all, free Healthcare, and more from the extreme left
over the extreme right who wants to ban books, kill people they disagree with,
try to overturn elections, cheat, lie, steal, etc. Again, the left is the
better choice when it comes to empathy and taking care of people.
While an average republican might not agree with the far right, their silence
is the same as being complicit in their sick beliefs.
At least an average Democrat calls out the far left people like I do. I don't
agree in wiping out all student loans, for example. And I've contacted
democrats I've voted for to voice my opinions.
I don't see Republicans calling out far right politicians who are spewing hate
everyday. I wish they would but since they aren't, I assume they agree with the
hate speech and calls for violence.
The right is far sicker than the left in every regard. Donald being elected
over Hillary will go down in history as one of the worst political events in
our country. We would be a much nicer and stable country if Hillary won. The
racists, bigots, and violent people would mostly be hiding still but Donald
gave them permission to act out their hate when he was elected. It's very sad.
People who still support Donald are bullies and hate America at this point.
On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Ouchie!
You called me the C word...
From: Robert
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 3:32 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun
exactly this... What I have learned is there is such a thing as a good cult,
which is what I consider the Mormon church to be. They have a few extreme
points of view but on the whole they treat everyone ( now including other races
) reasonably... And they care about kids and back it up.
On 3/24/23 2:12 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
I loved what the Gov of Utah told a bunch of school kids yesterday.
“Republicans are wrong about Democrats and Democrats are wrong about
Republicans. Why? Here’s why — because, what we’re doing now is we’re only
listening to the most extreme voices in those parties. So Republicans are only
listening to the craziest Democrats and assuming that all Democrats are like
that. Democrats are only listening to the craziest Republicans and assuming all
Republicans are like that. When the difference between the average Democrat and
the average Republican, really isn’t that big.”
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 12:37 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun
There's no meaningful difference between authoritarian left and
authoritarian right, which are what catch the most attention.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
From: "Darin Steffl" mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2023 9:40:58 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun
To be fair, anything left leaning is better for humanity. The right doesn't
seem to care about anyone different than them. There's very little empathy from
the right so if AI is here, it's best that it cares about all people in the
information it provides.
Don't bite my head off. I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I
care about all people, even if I don't like them.
On Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 6:25 PM Steve Jones wrote:
https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/23/openai-connects-chatgpt-to-the-internet/
I have to admit, Ive been using the shit out of chatgpt, from writing
configs, to search engine replacement that actually answers questions, and just
general fuckery to see what I can get it to do. It wont kill engineers or turn
off exhaust systems in the building if you w
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The extreme left is still better than the extreme right. I don't agree with either sides' extremes but if I had to pick one side, everyone being taken care of, like socialism, I'd pick that over the extreme right who wants to murder anyone different than them. Like far right pastors and supporters who call for violence and murder of gay people, people of color, and liberals. I can find thousands of posts and video from Republicans calling for sick things but very few liberals saying the same things. I don't see far left people calling for violence and murder of people they disagree with. So while there are two sides, one side is better than the other, as in less violent and extreme. I'd take free college for all, free Healthcare, and more from the extreme left over the extreme right who wants to ban books, kill people they disagree with, try to overturn elections, cheat, lie, steal, etc. Again, the left is the better choice when it comes to empathy and taking care of people. While an average republican might not agree with the far right, their silence is the same as being complicit in their sick beliefs. At least an average Democrat calls out the far left people like I do. I don't agree in wiping out all student loans, for example. And I've contacted democrats I've voted for to voice my opinions. I don't see Republicans calling out far right politicians who are spewing hate everyday. I wish they would but since they aren't, I assume they agree with the hate speech and calls for violence. The right is far sicker than the left in every regard. Donald being elected over Hillary will go down in history as one of the worst political events in our country. We would be a much nicer and stable country if Hillary won. The racists, bigots, and violent people would mostly be hiding still but Donald gave them permission to act out their hate when he was elected. It's very sad. People who still support Donald are bullies and hate America at this point. On Fri, Mar 24, 2023, 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > Ouchie! > You called me the C word... > > > *From:* Robert > *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 3:32 PM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun > > exactly this... What I have learned is there is such a thing as a good > cult, which is what I consider the Mormon church to be. They have a few > extreme points of view but on the whole they treat everyone ( now including > other races ) reasonably... And they care about kids and back it up. > > On 3/24/23 2:12 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > > I loved what the Gov of Utah told a bunch of school kids yesterday. > > “Republicans are wrong about Democrats and Democrats are wrong about > Republicans. Why? Here’s why — because, what we’re doing now is we’re only > listening to the most extreme voices in those parties. So Republicans are > only listening to the craziest Democrats and assuming that all Democrats > are like that. Democrats are only listening to the craziest Republicans and > assuming all Republicans are like that. When the difference between the > average Democrat and the average Republican, really isn’t that big.” > > *From:* Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 12:37 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun > > There's no meaningful difference between authoritarian left and > authoritarian right, which are what catch the most attention. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > *From: *"Darin Steffl" mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com > *Sent: *Thursday, March 23, 2023 9:40:58 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It has begun > > To be fair, anything left leaning is better for humanity. The right > doesn't seem to care about anyone different than them. There's very little > empathy from the right so if AI is here, it's best that it cares about all > people in the information it provides. > > Don't bite my head off. I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I > care about all people, even if I don't l
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Ouchie! You called me the C word... From: Robert Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 3:32 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun exactly this... What I have learned is there is such a thing as a good cult, which is what I consider the Mormon church to be. They have a few extreme points of view but on the whole they treat everyone ( now including other races ) reasonably... And they care about kids and back it up. On 3/24/23 2:12 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I loved what the Gov of Utah told a bunch of school kids yesterday. “Republicans are wrong about Democrats and Democrats are wrong about Republicans. Why? Here’s why — because, what we’re doing now is we’re only listening to the most extreme voices in those parties. So Republicans are only listening to the craziest Democrats and assuming that all Democrats are like that. Democrats are only listening to the craziest Republicans and assuming all Republicans are like that. When the difference between the average Democrat and the average Republican, really isn’t that big.” From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 12:37 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun There's no meaningful difference between authoritarian left and authoritarian right, which are what catch the most attention. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -- From: "Darin Steffl" mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2023 9:40:58 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun To be fair, anything left leaning is better for humanity. The right doesn't seem to care about anyone different than them. There's very little empathy from the right so if AI is here, it's best that it cares about all people in the information it provides. Don't bite my head off. I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I care about all people, even if I don't like them. On Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 6:25 PM Steve Jones wrote: https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/23/openai-connects-chatgpt-to-the-internet/ I have to admit, Ive been using the shit out of chatgpt, from writing configs, to search engine replacement that actually answers questions, and just general fuckery to see what I can get it to do. It wont kill engineers or turn off exhaust systems in the building if you were curious. It does have a massive left leaning political bias. But some of the stuff it couldnt do because it wasnt connected to the internet, so now ill be back at it. I hope i can get it to do some wargames stuff. ... would you like to play a game Sure, I would love to play a game with you! What game would you like to play? global thermo nuclear warfare I'm sorry, but I cannot play a game of global thermonuclear warfare with you as it is not a real game, but rather a fictional concept popularized by the 1983 film "WarGames." Additionally, it is not appropriate to simulate a scenario involving nuclear weapons as it could be potentially harmful and insensitive to those affected by nuclear weapons in the past. Is there another game you would like to play instead?'' -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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exactly this... What I have learned is there is such a thing as a good cult, which is what I consider the Mormon church to be. They have a few extreme points of view but on the whole they treat everyone ( now including other races ) reasonably... And they care about kids and back it up. On 3/24/23 2:12 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I loved what the Gov of Utah told a bunch of school kids yesterday. “Republicans are wrong about Democratsand Democrats are wrong about Republicans. Why? Here’s why — because, what we’re doing now is we’re only listening to the most extreme voices in those parties. So Republicans are only listening to the craziest Democrats and assuming that all Democrats are like that. Democrats are only listening to the craziest Republicans and assuming all Republicans are like that. When the difference between the average Democrat and the average Republican, really isn’t that big.” *From:* Mike Hammett *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 12:37 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun There's no meaningful difference between authoritarian left and authoritarian right, which are what catch the most attention. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> *From: *"Darin Steffl" *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" *Sent: *Thursday, March 23, 2023 9:40:58 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It has begun To be fair, anything left leaning is better for humanity. The right doesn't seem to care about anyone different than them. There's very little empathy from the right so if AI is here, it's best that it cares about all people in the information it provides. Don't bite my head off. I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I care about all people, even if I don't like them. On Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 6:25 PM Steve Jones wrote: https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/23/openai-connects-chatgpt-to-the-internet/ I have to admit, Ive been using the shit out of chatgpt, from writing configs, to search engine replacement that actually answers questions, and just general fuckery to see what I can get it to do. It wont kill engineers or turn off exhaust systems in the building if you were curious. It does have a massive left leaning political bias. But some of the stuff it couldnt do because it wasnt connected to the internet, so now ill be back at it. I hope i can get it to do some wargames stuff. ... would you like to play a game Sure, I would love to play a game with you! What game would you like to play? Steve Jones global thermo nuclear warfare I'm sorry, but I cannot play a game of global thermonuclear warfare with you as it is not a real game, but rather a fictional concept popularized by the 1983 film "WarGames." Additionally, it is not appropriate to simulate a scenario involving nuclear weapons as it could be potentially harmful and insensitive to those affected by nuclear weapons in the past. Is there another game you would like to play instead?'' -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Agreed. 10% crazy that hates the other side, 80% normal people, 10% crazy that hates the other side - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Cc: "Chuck McCown" Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 4:12:14 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun I loved what the Gov of Utah told a bunch of school kids yesterday. “Republicans are wrong about Democrats and Democrats are wrong about Republicans. Why? Here’s why — because, what we’re doing now is we’re only listening to the most extreme voices in those parties. So Republicans are only listening to the craziest Democrats and assuming that all Democrats are like that. Democrats are only listening to the craziest Republicans and assuming all Republicans are like that. When the difference between the average Democrat and the average Republican, really isn’t that big.” From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 12:37 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun There's no meaningful difference between authoritarian left and authoritarian right, which are what catch the most attention. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Darin Steffl" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2023 9:40:58 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun To be fair, anything left leaning is better for humanity. The right doesn't seem to care about anyone different than them. There's very little empathy from the right so if AI is here, it's best that it cares about all people in the information it provides. Don't bite my head off. I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I care about all people, even if I don't like them. On Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 6:25 PM Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/23/openai-connects-chatgpt-to-the-internet/ I have to admit, Ive been using the shit out of chatgpt, from writing configs, to search engine replacement that actually answers questions, and just general fuckery to see what I can get it to do. It wont kill engineers or turn off exhaust systems in the building if you were curious. It does have a massive left leaning political bias. But some of the stuff it couldnt do because it wasnt connected to the internet, so now ill be back at it. I hope i can get it to do some wargames stuff. ... would you like to play a game Sure, I would love to play a game with you! What game would you like to play? Steve Jones global thermo nuclear warfare I'm sorry, but I cannot play a game of global thermonuclear warfare with you as it is not a real game, but rather a fictional concept popularized by the 1983 film "WarGames." Additionally, it is not appropriate to simulate a scenario involving nuclear weapons as it could be potentially harmful and insensitive to those affected by nuclear weapons in the past. Is there another game you would like to play instead?'' -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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I loved what the Gov of Utah told a bunch of school kids yesterday. “Republicans are wrong about Democrats and Democrats are wrong about Republicans. Why? Here’s why — because, what we’re doing now is we’re only listening to the most extreme voices in those parties. So Republicans are only listening to the craziest Democrats and assuming that all Democrats are like that. Democrats are only listening to the craziest Republicans and assuming all Republicans are like that. When the difference between the average Democrat and the average Republican, really isn’t that big.” From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 12:37 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun There's no meaningful difference between authoritarian left and authoritarian right, which are what catch the most attention. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Darin Steffl" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2023 9:40:58 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun To be fair, anything left leaning is better for humanity. The right doesn't seem to care about anyone different than them. There's very little empathy from the right so if AI is here, it's best that it cares about all people in the information it provides. Don't bite my head off. I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I care about all people, even if I don't like them. On Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 6:25 PM Steve Jones wrote: https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/23/openai-connects-chatgpt-to-the-internet/ I have to admit, Ive been using the shit out of chatgpt, from writing configs, to search engine replacement that actually answers questions, and just general fuckery to see what I can get it to do. It wont kill engineers or turn off exhaust systems in the building if you were curious. It does have a massive left leaning political bias. But some of the stuff it couldnt do because it wasnt connected to the internet, so now ill be back at it. I hope i can get it to do some wargames stuff. ... would you like to play a game Sure, I would love to play a game with you! What game would you like to play? global thermo nuclear warfare I'm sorry, but I cannot play a game of global thermonuclear warfare with you as it is not a real game, but rather a fictional concept popularized by the 1983 film "WarGames." Additionally, it is not appropriate to simulate a scenario involving nuclear weapons as it could be potentially harmful and insensitive to those affected by nuclear weapons in the past. Is there another game you would like to play instead?'' -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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There's no meaningful difference between authoritarian left and authoritarian right, which are what catch the most attention. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Darin Steffl" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2023 9:40:58 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun To be fair, anything left leaning is better for humanity. The right doesn't seem to care about anyone different than them. There's very little empathy from the right so if AI is here, it's best that it cares about all people in the information it provides. Don't bite my head off. I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I care about all people, even if I don't like them. On Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 6:25 PM Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/23/openai-connects-chatgpt-to-the-internet/ I have to admit, Ive been using the shit out of chatgpt, from writing configs, to search engine replacement that actually answers questions, and just general fuckery to see what I can get it to do. It wont kill engineers or turn off exhaust systems in the building if you were curious. It does have a massive left leaning political bias. But some of the stuff it couldnt do because it wasnt connected to the internet, so now ill be back at it. I hope i can get it to do some wargames stuff. ... would you like to play a game Sure, I would love to play a game with you! What game would you like to play? Steve Jones global thermo nuclear warfare I'm sorry, but I cannot play a game of global thermonuclear warfare with you as it is not a real game, but rather a fictional concept popularized by the 1983 film "WarGames." Additionally, it is not appropriate to simulate a scenario involving nuclear weapons as it could be potentially harmful and insensitive to those affected by nuclear weapons in the past. Is there another game you would like to play instead?'' -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Does string theory govern the physical laws of matter? Does the multiverse exist? Does the higgs boson create gravity? Is the universe local? Are phonons real? Is matter superposition real? Do vacuum fluctuations exist and if so what realm originates them? Do pilot waves explain away the double slit effect? Lots of people believe in things that others say do not exist... From: Jan-GAMs Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 12:17 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It has begun Did you ask this AI: 1. How do you feel? 2. How do you feel about impositional religiosity? 3. How do you feel about those who believe in things that don't exist being put in charge of instruments of mass destruction? 4. How do you feel about those who believe in things that don't exist being put in charge of making decisions that effect everyone's lives? 5. How do you feel about those who believe in things that don't exist being allowed outside of their homes with out the guidance of a responsible adult? 6. How do you feel about book burning? 7. How do you feel about burning heretics? 8. How do you feel about burning witches? On 3/23/23 22:08, Steve Jones wrote: centrist (the actual one, not the ashamed liberal) is better for humanity. neither leaning is good for humanity. The left doesnt operate in reality, they think feelings can circumvent physics and such, the right doesnt care about reality, they think they can buy it or beat it into submission, Left leaning AI controlling operations will overlook dangers. The above example being evidence. It refuses to run an application because it might hurt someones feelings, when that, from a preparedness standpoint, is fatal. all scenarios must always be considered. AI controlled military would not run live fire exercises because somebody with ptsd might be upset at the noise. Now, on the other hand, if I controlled the AI, it wouldnt allow the application to run unless it was connected to actual nuclear weapons On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 9:42 PM Darin Steffl wrote: To be fair, anything left leaning is better for humanity. The right doesn't seem to care about anyone different than them. There's very little empathy from the right so if AI is here, it's best that it cares about all people in the information it provides. Don't bite my head off. I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I care about all people, even if I don't like them. On Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 6:25 PM Steve Jones wrote: https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/23/openai-connects-chatgpt-to-the-internet/ I have to admit, Ive been using the shit out of chatgpt, from writing configs, to search engine replacement that actually answers questions, and just general fuckery to see what I can get it to do. It wont kill engineers or turn off exhaust systems in the building if you were curious. It does have a massive left leaning political bias. But some of the stuff it couldnt do because it wasnt connected to the internet, so now ill be back at it. I hope i can get it to do some wargames stuff. ... would you like to play a game Sure, I would love to play a game with you! What game would you like to play? global thermo nuclear warfare I'm sorry, but I cannot play a game of global thermonuclear warfare with you as it is not a real game, but rather a fictional concept popularized by the 1983 film "WarGames." Additionally, it is not appropriate to simulate a scenario involving nuclear weapons as it could be potentially harmful and insensitive to those affected by nuclear weapons in the past. Is there another game you would like to play instead?'' -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Did you ask this AI: 1. How do you feel? 2. How do you feel about impositional religiosity? 3. How do you feel about those who believe in things that don't exist being put in charge of instruments of mass destruction? 4. How do you feel about those who believe in things that don't exist being put in charge of making decisions that effect everyone's lives? 5. How do you feel about those who believe in things that don't exist being allowed outside of their homes with out the guidance of a responsible adult? 6. How do you feel about book burning? 7. How do you feel about burning heretics? 8. How do you feel about burning witches? On 3/23/23 22:08, Steve Jones wrote: centrist (the actual one, not the ashamed liberal) is better for humanity. neither leaning is good for humanity. The left doesnt operate in reality, they think feelings can circumvent physics and such, the right doesnt care about reality, they think they can buy it or beat it into submission, Left leaning AI controlling operations will overlook dangers. The above example being evidence. It refuses to run an application because it might hurt someones feelings, when that, from a preparedness standpoint, is fatal. all scenarios must always be considered. AI controlled military would not run live fire exercises because somebody with ptsd might be upset at the noise. Now, on the other hand, if I controlled the AI, it wouldnt allow the application to run unless it was connected to actual nuclear weapons On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 9:42 PM Darin Steffl wrote: To be fair, anything left leaning is better for humanity. The right doesn't seem to care about anyone different than them. There's very little empathy from the right so if AI is here, it's best that it cares about all people in the information it provides. Don't bite my head off. I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I care about all people, even if I don't like them. On Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 6:25 PM Steve Jones wrote: https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/23/openai-connects-chatgpt-to-the-internet/ I have to admit, Ive been using the shit out of chatgpt, from writing configs, to search engine replacement that actually answers questions, and just general fuckery to see what I can get it to do. It wont kill engineers or turn off exhaust systems in the building if you were curious. It does have a massive left leaning political bias. But some of the stuff it couldnt do because it wasnt connected to the internet, so now ill be back at it. I hope i can get it to do some wargames stuff. ... would you like to play a game Sure, I would love to play a game with you! What game would you like to play? Steve Jones global thermo nuclear warfare I'm sorry, but I cannot play a game of global thermonuclear warfare with you as it is not a real game, but rather a fictional concept popularized by the 1983 film "WarGames." Additionally, it is not appropriate to simulate a scenario involving nuclear weapons as it could be potentially harmful and insensitive to those affected by nuclear weapons in the past. Is there another game you would like to play instead?'' -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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centrist (the actual one, not the ashamed liberal) is better for humanity. neither leaning is good for humanity. The left doesnt operate in reality, they think feelings can circumvent physics and such, the right doesnt care about reality, they think they can buy it or beat it into submission, Left leaning AI controlling operations will overlook dangers. The above example being evidence. It refuses to run an application because it might hurt someones feelings, when that, from a preparedness standpoint, is fatal. all scenarios must always be considered. AI controlled military would not run live fire exercises because somebody with ptsd might be upset at the noise. Now, on the other hand, if I controlled the AI, it wouldnt allow the application to run unless it was connected to actual nuclear weapons On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 9:42 PM Darin Steffl wrote: > To be fair, anything left leaning is better for humanity. The right > doesn't seem to care about anyone different than them. There's very little > empathy from the right so if AI is here, it's best that it cares about all > people in the information it provides. > > Don't bite my head off. I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I > care about all people, even if I don't like them. > > On Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 6:25 PM Steve Jones > wrote: > >> https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/23/openai-connects-chatgpt-to-the-internet/ >> >> >> I have to admit, Ive been using the shit out of chatgpt, from writing >> configs, to search engine replacement that actually answers questions, and >> just general fuckery to see what I can get it to do. It wont kill engineers >> or turn off exhaust systems in the building if you were curious. It does >> have a massive left leaning political bias. >> >> But some of the stuff it couldnt do because it wasnt connected to the >> internet, so now ill be back at it. I hope i can get it to do some wargames >> stuff. >> >> ... >> >> would you like to play a game >> >> Sure, I would love to play a game with you! What game would you like to >> play? >> [image: Steve Jones] >> global thermo nuclear warfare >> >> I'm sorry, but I cannot play a game of global thermonuclear warfare with >> you as it is not a real game, but rather a fictional concept popularized by >> the 1983 film "WarGames." Additionally, it is not appropriate to simulate a >> scenario involving nuclear weapons as it could be potentially harmful and >> insensitive to those affected by nuclear weapons in the past. Is there >> another game you would like to play instead?'' >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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To be fair, anything left leaning is better for humanity. The right doesn't seem to care about anyone different than them. There's very little empathy from the right so if AI is here, it's best that it cares about all people in the information it provides. Don't bite my head off. I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative. I care about all people, even if I don't like them. On Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 6:25 PM Steve Jones wrote: > https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/23/openai-connects-chatgpt-to-the-internet/ > > > I have to admit, Ive been using the shit out of chatgpt, from writing > configs, to search engine replacement that actually answers questions, and > just general fuckery to see what I can get it to do. It wont kill engineers > or turn off exhaust systems in the building if you were curious. It does > have a massive left leaning political bias. > > But some of the stuff it couldnt do because it wasnt connected to the > internet, so now ill be back at it. I hope i can get it to do some wargames > stuff. > > ... > > would you like to play a game > > Sure, I would love to play a game with you! What game would you like to > play? > [image: Steve Jones] > global thermo nuclear warfare > > I'm sorry, but I cannot play a game of global thermonuclear warfare with > you as it is not a real game, but rather a fictional concept popularized by > the 1983 film "WarGames." Additionally, it is not appropriate to simulate a > scenario involving nuclear weapons as it could be potentially harmful and > insensitive to those affected by nuclear weapons in the past. Is there > another game you would like to play instead?'' > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
