Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

2019-06-25 Thread chuck 
Logan’s run...

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 7:11 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

I’ve been through the situation where a relative refuses to move out of their 
house and into assisted living, but still, if this location really has no 
cellphone reception from any carrier (hard to believe) and can’t get POTS 
service and can’t get a backup Internet connection (even satellite), the 
relative should be living somewhere else.

 

I’ve actually been waiting for the government to announce CAF3 where they round 
up all the people who still don’t have broadband and forcibly relocate them, 
like when they moved the native Americans to reservations.

 

But like you say, it’s had to believe this problem couldn’t be solved for $50.  
And even in town with a landline, outages happen, and don’t necessarily get 
fixed faster than 4 hours.  Cellular towers actually seem pretty resilient.  
Maybe they need an Wilson amplifier and a yagi on the roof pointed to a distant 
celltower.  They are taking THEIR problem and trying to make it YOUR problem.  
Nobody wants to solve their own problems anymore, if it involves doing any work 
or spending any money.  We have become lazy and cheap, and we expect someone 
else to solve all our problems.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 12:21 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

 

Yeah, but most stupid customers don't also demand you have a 9 9's network so 
their granny doesn't die for $50.

 

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 9:07 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  Agreed.

   

  Although if I fired all my stupid customers, I might not have many left.  
Makes me think of George Carlin’s classic routine on stupid people:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rh6qqsmxNs

   

  Or for something more recent:

  https://xkcd.com/1386/

   

   

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
  Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 8:40 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

   

  Sounds like a really good reason to fire a customer.

   

  On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 2:47 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

The problem is people are sometimes dumb.

There was actually a specific person who prompted my comment.  During that 
4 hour outage, someone emailed and called multiple times because their elderly 
relative relied on the internet connection to reach out in the case of medical 
emergencies.

I said get a landline phone; they claimed there was no option.  I checked 
Verizon's website which clearly said there IS phone service there and sent them 
the link to it.  I also suggested get a second Internet service or a cell phone 
so you have a backup.  They said there isn't any other internet service there 
and apparently the Verizon POTS doesn't really work there for some reason and 
there's no cell reception.  

They seemed to really want to dig their heels in and make this my problem, 
and I'm not interested.

-Adam

On 6/24/2019 1:12 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

  AUP's are for that but I don't know if they provide any shield. I really 
don't see how a service with no SLA could be deemed by anyone as emergency 
communications.

   

  On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 9:05 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

Honestly I wish they would stop selling these things with an option to 
use the Internet rather than a phone line...or at least require a 
landline phone as a backup for the Internet.

There was a 4 hour outage on a Saturday morning recently caused by a 
router failure.  Frankly, I'm happy with how quickly we resolved that 
given that it was just about the worst failure possible and it happened 
on a weekend.  But if someone had a problem at that time, and their 
health monitoring equipment couldn't phone the mothership to report it 
I 
really don't want that on my head.

-Adam


On 6/24/2019 11:46 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still living on 
> their own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly works), they don't 
> even have a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices now are 
geared 
> towards the smart home market, where they presume that you have an 
> internet connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month for the 
> monitoring/answering service.  There are other family members close 
> by, so it really just needs a wireless panic button that can make an 
> outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably more technical 
> that can be handled, and I know that it would rarely leave it's base 
> station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.
>
> Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers until someone

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

2019-06-25 Thread Ken Hohhof 
I’ve been through the situation where a relative refuses to move out of their 
house and into assisted living, but still, if this location really has no 
cellphone reception from any carrier (hard to believe) and can’t get POTS 
service and can’t get a backup Internet connection (even satellite), the 
relative should be living somewhere else.

 

I’ve actually been waiting for the government to announce CAF3 where they round 
up all the people who still don’t have broadband and forcibly relocate them, 
like when they moved the native Americans to reservations.

 

But like you say, it’s had to believe this problem couldn’t be solved for $50.  
And even in town with a landline, outages happen, and don’t necessarily get 
fixed faster than 4 hours.  Cellular towers actually seem pretty resilient.  
Maybe they need an Wilson amplifier and a yagi on the roof pointed to a distant 
celltower.  They are taking THEIR problem and trying to make it YOUR problem.  
Nobody wants to solve their own problems anymore, if it involves doing any work 
or spending any money.  We have become lazy and cheap, and we expect someone 
else to solve all our problems.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 12:21 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

 

Yeah, but most stupid customers don't also demand you have a 9 9's network so 
their granny doesn't die for $50.

 

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 9:07 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Agreed.

 

Although if I fired all my stupid customers, I might not have many left.  Makes 
me think of George Carlin’s classic routine on stupid people:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rh6qqsmxNs

 

Or for something more recent:

https://xkcd.com/1386/

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 8:40 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

 

Sounds like a really good reason to fire a customer.

 

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 2:47 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

The problem is people are sometimes dumb.

There was actually a specific person who prompted my comment.  During that 4 
hour outage, someone emailed and called multiple times because their elderly 
relative relied on the internet connection to reach out in the case of medical 
emergencies.

I said get a landline phone; they claimed there was no option.  I checked 
Verizon's website which clearly said there IS phone service there and sent them 
the link to it.  I also suggested get a second Internet service or a cell phone 
so you have a backup.  They said there isn't any other internet service there 
and apparently the Verizon POTS doesn't really work there for some reason and 
there's no cell reception.  

They seemed to really want to dig their heels in and make this my problem, and 
I'm not interested.

-Adam

On 6/24/2019 1:12 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

AUP's are for that but I don't know if they provide any shield. I really don't 
see how a service with no SLA could be deemed by anyone as emergency 
communications.

 

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 9:05 AM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Honestly I wish they would stop selling these things with an option to 
use the Internet rather than a phone line...or at least require a 
landline phone as a backup for the Internet.

There was a 4 hour outage on a Saturday morning recently caused by a 
router failure.  Frankly, I'm happy with how quickly we resolved that 
given that it was just about the worst failure possible and it happened 
on a weekend.  But if someone had a problem at that time, and their 
health monitoring equipment couldn't phone the mothership to report it I 
really don't want that on my head.

-Adam


On 6/24/2019 11:46 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still living on 
> their own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly works), they don't 
> even have a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices now are geared 
> towards the smart home market, where they presume that you have an 
> internet connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month for the 
> monitoring/answering service.  There are other family members close 
> by, so it really just needs a wireless panic button that can make an 
> outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably more technical 
> that can be handled, and I know that it would rarely leave it's base 
> station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.
>
> Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers until someone 
> answers and confirms via keypress or something.
>
> Does something like that exist?
>


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

2019-06-24 Thread Lewis Bergman 
Yeah, but most stupid customers don't also demand you have a 9 9's network
so their granny doesn't die for $50.

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 9:07 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Agreed.
>
>
>
> Although if I fired all my stupid customers, I might not have many left.
> Makes me think of George Carlin’s classic routine on stupid people:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rh6qqsmxNs
>
>
>
> Or for something more recent:
>
> https://xkcd.com/1386/
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Monday, June 24, 2019 8:40 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems
>
>
>
> Sounds like a really good reason to fire a customer.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 2:47 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> The problem is people are sometimes dumb.
>
> There was actually a specific person who prompted my comment.  During that
> 4 hour outage, someone emailed and called multiple times because their
> elderly relative relied on the internet connection to reach out in the case
> of medical emergencies.
>
> I said get a landline phone; they claimed there was no option.  I checked
> Verizon's website which clearly said there IS phone service there and sent
> them the link to it.  I also suggested get a second Internet service or a
> cell phone so you have a backup.  They said there isn't any other internet
> service there and apparently the Verizon POTS doesn't really work there for
> some reason and there's no cell reception.
>
> They seemed to really want to dig their heels in and make this my problem,
> and I'm not interested.
>
> -Adam
>
> On 6/24/2019 1:12 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> AUP's are for that but I don't know if they provide any shield. I really
> don't see how a service with no SLA could be deemed by anyone as emergency
> communications.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 9:05 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> Honestly I wish they would stop selling these things with an option to
> use the Internet rather than a phone line...or at least require a
> landline phone as a backup for the Internet.
>
> There was a 4 hour outage on a Saturday morning recently caused by a
> router failure.  Frankly, I'm happy with how quickly we resolved that
> given that it was just about the worst failure possible and it happened
> on a weekend.  But if someone had a problem at that time, and their
> health monitoring equipment couldn't phone the mothership to report it I
> really don't want that on my head.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> On 6/24/2019 11:46 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> > I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still living on
> > their own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly works), they don't
> > even have a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices now are geared
> > towards the smart home market, where they presume that you have an
> > internet connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month for the
> > monitoring/answering service.  There are other family members close
> > by, so it really just needs a wireless panic button that can make an
> > outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably more technical
> > that can be handled, and I know that it would rarely leave it's base
> > station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.
> >
> > Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers until someone
> > answers and confirms via keypress or something.
> >
> > Does something like that exist?
> >
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

2019-06-24 Thread Steve Jones 
Ha, thats how i found out pulse dialing was just counted interrupts. I had
been smoking "cigarettes" and got off the phone, just laying there tapping
the hang up button. It started ringing. Came in handy a couple of times,
just tap out a telephone number. Then some B rated movie did it. Ruined my
"secret". Though on pay telephones  it was a handy trick to know.

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 11:43 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> That looks like a great read.  I am gonna get it.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, June 24, 2019 9:55 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems
>
> I love XKCD.  Randall Munroe is clearly not stupid.
> Since we're already OT, I highly endorse Randall's "What if?" book:
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/What-Scientific-Hypothetical-Questions-International/dp/0544456866
>
>
> On 6/24/2019 10:07 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Agreed.
>
>
>
> Although if I fired all my stupid customers, I might not have many left.
> Makes me think of George Carlin’s classic routine on stupid people:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rh6qqsmxNs
>
>
>
> Or for something more recent:
>
> https://xkcd.com/1386/
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Monday, June 24, 2019 8:40 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems
>
>
>
> Sounds like a really good reason to fire a customer.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 2:47 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> The problem is people are sometimes dumb.
>
> There was actually a specific person who prompted my comment.  During that
> 4 hour outage, someone emailed and called multiple times because their
> elderly relative relied on the internet connection to reach out in the case
> of medical emergencies.
>
> I said get a landline phone; they claimed there was no option.  I checked
> Verizon's website which clearly said there IS phone service there and sent
> them the link to it.  I also suggested get a second Internet service or a
> cell phone so you have a backup.  They said there isn't any other internet
> service there and apparently the Verizon POTS doesn't really work there for
> some reason and there's no cell reception.
>
> They seemed to really want to dig their heels in and make this my problem,
> and I'm not interested.
>
> -Adam
>
> On 6/24/2019 1:12 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> AUP's are for that but I don't know if they provide any shield. I really
> don't see how a service with no SLA could be deemed by anyone as emergency
> communications.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 9:05 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> Honestly I wish they would stop selling these things with an option to
> use the Internet rather than a phone line...or at least require a
> landline phone as a backup for the Internet.
>
> There was a 4 hour outage on a Saturday morning recently caused by a
> router failure.  Frankly, I'm happy with how quickly we resolved that
> given that it was just about the worst failure possible and it happened
> on a weekend.  But if someone had a problem at that time, and their
> health monitoring equipment couldn't phone the mothership to report it I
> really don't want that on my head.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> On 6/24/2019 11:46 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> > I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still living on
> > their own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly works), they don't
> > even have a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices now are geared
> > towards the smart home market, where they presume that you have an
> > internet connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month for the
> > monitoring/answering service.  There are other family members close
> > by, so it really just needs a wireless panic button that can make an
> > outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably more technical
> > that can be handled, and I know that it would rarely leave it's base
> > station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.
> >
> > Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers until someone
> > answers and confirms via keypress or something.
> >
> > Does something like that exist?
> >
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

2019-06-24 Thread Chuck McCown 
That looks like a great read.  I am gonna get it.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 9:55 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

I love XKCD.  Randall Munroe is clearly not stupid.
Since we're already OT, I highly endorse Randall's "What if?" book:

https://www.amazon.com/What-Scientific-Hypothetical-Questions-International/dp/0544456866



On 6/24/2019 10:07 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  Agreed.

   

  Although if I fired all my stupid customers, I might not have many left.  
Makes me think of George Carlin’s classic routine on stupid people:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rh6qqsmxNs

   

  Or for something more recent:

  https://xkcd.com/1386/

   

   

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
  Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 8:40 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

   

  Sounds like a really good reason to fire a customer.

   

  On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 2:47 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

The problem is people are sometimes dumb.

There was actually a specific person who prompted my comment.  During that 
4 hour outage, someone emailed and called multiple times because their elderly 
relative relied on the internet connection to reach out in the case of medical 
emergencies.

I said get a landline phone; they claimed there was no option.  I checked 
Verizon's website which clearly said there IS phone service there and sent them 
the link to it.  I also suggested get a second Internet service or a cell phone 
so you have a backup.  They said there isn't any other internet service there 
and apparently the Verizon POTS doesn't really work there for some reason and 
there's no cell reception.  

They seemed to really want to dig their heels in and make this my problem, 
and I'm not interested.

-Adam



On 6/24/2019 1:12 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

  AUP's are for that but I don't know if they provide any shield. I really 
don't see how a service with no SLA could be deemed by anyone as emergency 
communications.

   

  On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 9:05 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

Honestly I wish they would stop selling these things with an option to 
use the Internet rather than a phone line...or at least require a 
landline phone as a backup for the Internet.

There was a 4 hour outage on a Saturday morning recently caused by a 
router failure.  Frankly, I'm happy with how quickly we resolved that 
given that it was just about the worst failure possible and it happened 
on a weekend.  But if someone had a problem at that time, and their 
health monitoring equipment couldn't phone the mothership to report it 
I 
really don't want that on my head.

-Adam


On 6/24/2019 11:46 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still living on 
> their own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly works), they don't 
> even have a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices now are 
geared 
> towards the smart home market, where they presume that you have an 
> internet connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month for the 
> monitoring/answering service.  There are other family members close 
> by, so it really just needs a wireless panic button that can make an 
> outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably more technical 
> that can be handled, and I know that it would rarely leave it's base 
> station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.
>
> Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers until someone 
> answers and confirms via keypress or something.
>
> Does something like that exist?
>


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

2019-06-24 Thread Adam Moffett 

I love XKCD.  Randall Munroe is clearly not stupid.
Since we're already OT, I highly endorse Randall's "What if?" book:

https://www.amazon.com/What-Scientific-Hypothetical-Questions-International/dp/0544456866


On 6/24/2019 10:07 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Agreed.

Although if I fired all my stupid customers, I might not have many 
left.  Makes me think of George Carlin’s classic routine on stupid people:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rh6qqsmxNs

Or for something more recent:

https://xkcd.com/1386/

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
*Sent:* Monday, June 24, 2019 8:40 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

Sounds like a really good reason to fire a customer.

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 2:47 PM Adam Moffett <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:


The problem is people are sometimes dumb.

There was actually a specific person who prompted my comment. 
During that 4 hour outage, someone emailed and called multiple
times because their elderly relative relied on the internet
connection to reach out in the case of medical emergencies.

I said get a landline phone; they claimed there was no option.  I
checked Verizon's website which clearly said there IS phone
service there and sent them the link to it.  I also suggested get
a second Internet service or a cell phone so you have a backup. 
They said there isn't any other internet service there and
apparently the Verizon POTS doesn't really work there for some
reason and there's no cell reception.

They seemed to really want to dig their heels in and make this my
problem, and I'm not interested.

-Adam

On 6/24/2019 1:12 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

AUP's are for that but I don't know if they provide any
shield. I really don't see how a service with no SLA could be
deemed by anyone as emergency communications.

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 9:05 AM Adam Moffett
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Honestly I wish they would stop selling these things with
an option to
use the Internet rather than a phone line...or at least
require a
landline phone as a backup for the Internet.

There was a 4 hour outage on a Saturday morning recently
caused by a
router failure.  Frankly, I'm happy with how quickly we
resolved that
given that it was just about the worst failure possible
and it happened
on a weekend.  But if someone had a problem at that time,
and their
health monitoring equipment couldn't phone the mothership
to report it I
really don't want that on my head.

-Adam


On 6/24/2019 11:46 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still
living on
> their own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly
works), they don't
> even have a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices
now are geared
> towards the smart home market, where they presume that
you have an
> internet connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month
for the
> monitoring/answering service.  There are other family
members close
> by, so it really just needs a wireless panic button that
can make an
> outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably
more technical
> that can be handled, and I know that it would rarely
leave it's base
> station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.
>
> Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers
until someone
> answers and confirms via keypress or something.
>
> Does something like that exist?
>


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

2019-06-24 Thread Ken Hohhof 
Agreed.

 

Although if I fired all my stupid customers, I might not have many left.  Makes 
me think of George Carlin’s classic routine on stupid people:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rh6qqsmxNs

 

Or for something more recent:

https://xkcd.com/1386/

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 8:40 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

 

Sounds like a really good reason to fire a customer.

 

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 2:47 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

The problem is people are sometimes dumb.

There was actually a specific person who prompted my comment.  During that 4 
hour outage, someone emailed and called multiple times because their elderly 
relative relied on the internet connection to reach out in the case of medical 
emergencies.

I said get a landline phone; they claimed there was no option.  I checked 
Verizon's website which clearly said there IS phone service there and sent them 
the link to it.  I also suggested get a second Internet service or a cell phone 
so you have a backup.  They said there isn't any other internet service there 
and apparently the Verizon POTS doesn't really work there for some reason and 
there's no cell reception.  

They seemed to really want to dig their heels in and make this my problem, and 
I'm not interested.

-Adam



On 6/24/2019 1:12 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

AUP's are for that but I don't know if they provide any shield. I really don't 
see how a service with no SLA could be deemed by anyone as emergency 
communications.

 

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 9:05 AM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Honestly I wish they would stop selling these things with an option to 
use the Internet rather than a phone line...or at least require a 
landline phone as a backup for the Internet.

There was a 4 hour outage on a Saturday morning recently caused by a 
router failure.  Frankly, I'm happy with how quickly we resolved that 
given that it was just about the worst failure possible and it happened 
on a weekend.  But if someone had a problem at that time, and their 
health monitoring equipment couldn't phone the mothership to report it I 
really don't want that on my head.

-Adam


On 6/24/2019 11:46 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still living on 
> their own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly works), they don't 
> even have a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices now are geared 
> towards the smart home market, where they presume that you have an 
> internet connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month for the 
> monitoring/answering service.  There are other family members close 
> by, so it really just needs a wireless panic button that can make an 
> outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably more technical 
> that can be handled, and I know that it would rarely leave it's base 
> station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.
>
> Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers until someone 
> answers and confirms via keypress or something.
>
> Does something like that exist?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

2019-06-24 Thread Lewis Bergman 
Sounds like a really good reason to fire a customer.

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 2:47 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> The problem is people are sometimes dumb.
>
> There was actually a specific person who prompted my comment.  During that
> 4 hour outage, someone emailed and called multiple times because their
> elderly relative relied on the internet connection to reach out in the case
> of medical emergencies.
>
> I said get a landline phone; they claimed there was no option.  I checked
> Verizon's website which clearly said there IS phone service there and sent
> them the link to it.  I also suggested get a second Internet service or a
> cell phone so you have a backup.  They said there isn't any other internet
> service there and apparently the Verizon POTS doesn't really work there for
> some reason and there's no cell reception.
>
> They seemed to really want to dig their heels in and make this my problem,
> and I'm not interested.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> On 6/24/2019 1:12 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> AUP's are for that but I don't know if they provide any shield. I really
> don't see how a service with no SLA could be deemed by anyone as emergency
> communications.
>
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 9:05 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Honestly I wish they would stop selling these things with an option to
>> use the Internet rather than a phone line...or at least require a
>> landline phone as a backup for the Internet.
>>
>> There was a 4 hour outage on a Saturday morning recently caused by a
>> router failure.  Frankly, I'm happy with how quickly we resolved that
>> given that it was just about the worst failure possible and it happened
>> on a weekend.  But if someone had a problem at that time, and their
>> health monitoring equipment couldn't phone the mothership to report it I
>> really don't want that on my head.
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>>
>> On 6/24/2019 11:46 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
>> > I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still living on
>> > their own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly works), they don't
>> > even have a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices now are geared
>> > towards the smart home market, where they presume that you have an
>> > internet connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month for the
>> > monitoring/answering service.  There are other family members close
>> > by, so it really just needs a wireless panic button that can make an
>> > outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably more technical
>> > that can be handled, and I know that it would rarely leave it's base
>> > station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.
>> >
>> > Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers until someone
>> > answers and confirms via keypress or something.
>> >
>> > Does something like that exist?
>> >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

2019-06-24 Thread Mike Hammett 
Can't you just watch some infomercials and base your decision on that? :-p 




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From: "Nate Burke"  
To: "Animal Farm"  
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 10:46:14 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems 

I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still living on their 
own. Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly works), they don't even have 
a cell phone. It seems like a lot of devices now are geared towards the 
smart home market, where they presume that you have an internet 
connection. Other devices are $20 or $30/month for the 
monitoring/answering service. There are other family members close by, 
so it really just needs a wireless panic button that can make an 
outbound call to them. A cordless phone is probably more technical that 
can be handled, and I know that it would rarely leave it's base 
station. So a pendent/watch is much more preferable. 

Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers until someone 
answers and confirms via keypress or something. 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

2019-06-24 Thread chuck 
That reminded me of being out in the middle of nowhere (Tygh Ridge, Oregon) on 
a day that was about 10 below zero.  Stopped at a ped to do some work.  Needed 
to call the office for some reason.  Dial on the butt set was too cold to turn. 
 So after a few attempts I was able to dial zero by just tapping the clips to 
the wire.  Operators back then were very helpful, especially if you told them 
you were a lineman.  She connected me.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 5:06 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

New customer last week was telling our installer they keep getting 911 
responses to their dairy barn, it turns out they have a milking system that 
connects to a Frontier landline that is very unreliable, and the random 
interruptions would occasionally dial 9-1-1.  Frontier always blames it on 
“mice in the boxes”.  I have a mental image of the mice tapping out 9-1-1.  
Help, we’re being held hostage in a Frontier cross box!

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 5:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

 

We used to sell emergency dialers when i worked at a radio shack, that was back 
when the documentation wasnt marketing. It had all kinds of warnings about not 
using it to dial emergency services without professional installation, keep it 
on backup power sources, have an alternate method for emergency contact 
outward, etc. I much preferred that to todays focus on helmet wearing window 
licking ease of installation, one button setup, and no way of knowing if it 
works til grandmas hip is broke at the bottom of the stairs

 

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 3:58 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

  Apple Watch with cellular is what we did for my mom.

   

  When it calls 911 it will also txt whomever you want to also alert them to 
the 911 call

   

  -Sean

   

   

  On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 9:47 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still living on their 
own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly works), they don't even have 
a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices now are geared towards the 
smart home market, where they presume that you have an internet 
connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month for the 
monitoring/answering service.  There are other family members close by, 
so it really just needs a wireless panic button that can make an 
outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably more technical that 
can be handled, and I know that it would rarely leave it's base 
station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.

Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers until someone 
answers and confirms via keypress or something.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

2019-06-24 Thread Ken Hohhof 
New customer last week was telling our installer they keep getting 911 
responses to their dairy barn, it turns out they have a milking system that 
connects to a Frontier landline that is very unreliable, and the random 
interruptions would occasionally dial 9-1-1.  Frontier always blames it on 
“mice in the boxes”.  I have a mental image of the mice tapping out 9-1-1.  
Help, we’re being held hostage in a Frontier cross box!

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 5:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

 

We used to sell emergency dialers when i worked at a radio shack, that was back 
when the documentation wasnt marketing. It had all kinds of warnings about not 
using it to dial emergency services without professional installation, keep it 
on backup power sources, have an alternate method for emergency contact 
outward, etc. I much preferred that to todays focus on helmet wearing window 
licking ease of installation, one button setup, and no way of knowing if it 
works til grandmas hip is broke at the bottom of the stairs

 

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 3:58 PM Sean Heskett mailto:af...@zirkel.us> > wrote:

Apple Watch with cellular is what we did for my mom.

 

When it calls 911 it will also txt whomever you want to also alert them to the 
911 call

 

-Sean

 

 

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 9:47 AM Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > wrote:

I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still living on their 
own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly works), they don't even have 
a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices now are geared towards the 
smart home market, where they presume that you have an internet 
connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month for the 
monitoring/answering service.  There are other family members close by, 
so it really just needs a wireless panic button that can make an 
outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably more technical that 
can be handled, and I know that it would rarely leave it's base 
station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.

Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers until someone 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

2019-06-24 Thread Steve Jones 
We used to sell emergency dialers when i worked at a radio shack, that was
back when the documentation wasnt marketing. It had all kinds of warnings
about not using it to dial emergency services without professional
installation, keep it on backup power sources, have an alternate method for
emergency contact outward, etc. I much preferred that to todays focus on
helmet wearing window licking ease of installation, one button setup, and
no way of knowing if it works til grandmas hip is broke at the bottom of
the stairs

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 3:58 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Apple Watch with cellular is what we did for my mom.
>
> When it calls 911 it will also txt whomever you want to also alert them to
> the 911 call
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 9:47 AM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still living on their
>> own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly works), they don't even have
>> a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices now are geared towards the
>> smart home market, where they presume that you have an internet
>> connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month for the
>> monitoring/answering service.  There are other family members close by,
>> so it really just needs a wireless panic button that can make an
>> outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably more technical that
>> can be handled, and I know that it would rarely leave it's base
>> station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.
>>
>> Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers until someone
>> answers and confirms via keypress or something.
>>
>> Does something like that exist?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

2019-06-24 Thread Sean Heskett 
Apple Watch with cellular is what we did for my mom.

When it calls 911 it will also txt whomever you want to also alert them to
the 911 call

-Sean


On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 9:47 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still living on their
> own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly works), they don't even have
> a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices now are geared towards the
> smart home market, where they presume that you have an internet
> connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month for the
> monitoring/answering service.  There are other family members close by,
> so it really just needs a wireless panic button that can make an
> outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably more technical that
> can be handled, and I know that it would rarely leave it's base
> station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.
>
> Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers until someone
> answers and confirms via keypress or something.
>
> Does something like that exist?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

2019-06-24 Thread chuck 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q2s8AJbsps

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 2:28 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

They need to buy the relative a collie.  Run, Lassie, get help!

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 2:47 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

 

The problem is people are sometimes dumb.

There was actually a specific person who prompted my comment.  During that 4 
hour outage, someone emailed and called multiple times because their elderly 
relative relied on the internet connection to reach out in the case of medical 
emergencies.

I said get a landline phone; they claimed there was no option.  I checked 
Verizon's website which clearly said there IS phone service there and sent them 
the link to it.  I also suggested get a second Internet service or a cell phone 
so you have a backup.  They said there isn't any other internet service there 
and apparently the Verizon POTS doesn't really work there for some reason and 
there's no cell reception.  

They seemed to really want to dig their heels in and make this my problem, and 
I'm not interested.

-Adam



On 6/24/2019 1:12 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

  AUP's are for that but I don't know if they provide any shield. I really 
don't see how a service with no SLA could be deemed by anyone as emergency 
communications.

   

  On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 9:05 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

Honestly I wish they would stop selling these things with an option to 
use the Internet rather than a phone line...or at least require a 
landline phone as a backup for the Internet.

There was a 4 hour outage on a Saturday morning recently caused by a 
router failure.  Frankly, I'm happy with how quickly we resolved that 
given that it was just about the worst failure possible and it happened 
on a weekend.  But if someone had a problem at that time, and their 
health monitoring equipment couldn't phone the mothership to report it I 
really don't want that on my head.

-Adam


On 6/24/2019 11:46 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still living on 
> their own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly works), they don't 
> even have a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices now are geared 
> towards the smart home market, where they presume that you have an 
> internet connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month for the 
> monitoring/answering service.  There are other family members close 
> by, so it really just needs a wireless panic button that can make an 
> outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably more technical 
> that can be handled, and I know that it would rarely leave it's base 
> station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.
>
> Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers until someone 
> answers and confirms via keypress or something.
>
> Does something like that exist?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

2019-06-24 Thread Ken Hohhof 
They need to buy the relative a collie.  Run, Lassie, get help!

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 2:47 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

 

The problem is people are sometimes dumb.

There was actually a specific person who prompted my comment.  During that 4 
hour outage, someone emailed and called multiple times because their elderly 
relative relied on the internet connection to reach out in the case of medical 
emergencies.

I said get a landline phone; they claimed there was no option.  I checked 
Verizon's website which clearly said there IS phone service there and sent them 
the link to it.  I also suggested get a second Internet service or a cell phone 
so you have a backup.  They said there isn't any other internet service there 
and apparently the Verizon POTS doesn't really work there for some reason and 
there's no cell reception.  

They seemed to really want to dig their heels in and make this my problem, and 
I'm not interested.

-Adam



On 6/24/2019 1:12 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

AUP's are for that but I don't know if they provide any shield. I really don't 
see how a service with no SLA could be deemed by anyone as emergency 
communications.

 

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 9:05 AM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Honestly I wish they would stop selling these things with an option to 
use the Internet rather than a phone line...or at least require a 
landline phone as a backup for the Internet.

There was a 4 hour outage on a Saturday morning recently caused by a 
router failure.  Frankly, I'm happy with how quickly we resolved that 
given that it was just about the worst failure possible and it happened 
on a weekend.  But if someone had a problem at that time, and their 
health monitoring equipment couldn't phone the mothership to report it I 
really don't want that on my head.

-Adam


On 6/24/2019 11:46 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still living on 
> their own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly works), they don't 
> even have a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices now are geared 
> towards the smart home market, where they presume that you have an 
> internet connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month for the 
> monitoring/answering service.  There are other family members close 
> by, so it really just needs a wireless panic button that can make an 
> outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably more technical 
> that can be handled, and I know that it would rarely leave it's base 
> station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.
>
> Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers until someone 
> answers and confirms via keypress or something.
>
> Does something like that exist?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

2019-06-24 Thread Adam Moffett 

The problem is people are sometimes dumb.

There was actually a specific person who prompted my comment. During 
that 4 hour outage, someone emailed and called multiple times because 
their elderly relative relied on the internet connection to reach out in 
the case of medical emergencies.


I said get a landline phone; they claimed there was no option.  I 
checked Verizon's website which clearly said there IS phone service 
there and sent them the link to it.  I also suggested get a second 
Internet service or a cell phone so you have a backup.  They said there 
isn't any other internet service there and apparently the Verizon POTS 
doesn't really work there for some reason and there's no cell reception.


They seemed to really want to dig their heels in and make this my 
problem, and I'm not interested.


-Adam


On 6/24/2019 1:12 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
AUP's are for that but I don't know if they provide any shield. I 
really don't see how a service with no SLA could be deemed by anyone 
as emergency communications.


On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 9:05 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


Honestly I wish they would stop selling these things with an
option to
use the Internet rather than a phone line...or at least require a
landline phone as a backup for the Internet.

There was a 4 hour outage on a Saturday morning recently caused by a
router failure.  Frankly, I'm happy with how quickly we resolved that
given that it was just about the worst failure possible and it
happened
on a weekend.  But if someone had a problem at that time, and their
health monitoring equipment couldn't phone the mothership to
report it I
really don't want that on my head.

-Adam


On 6/24/2019 11:46 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still living on
> their own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly works), they
don't
> even have a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices now are
geared
> towards the smart home market, where they presume that you have an
> internet connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month for the
> monitoring/answering service.  There are other family members close
> by, so it really just needs a wireless panic button that can
make an
> outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably more technical
> that can be handled, and I know that it would rarely leave it's
base
> station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.
>
> Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers until
someone
> answers and confirms via keypress or something.
>
> Does something like that exist?
>


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

2019-06-24 Thread Lewis Bergman 
AUP's are for that but I don't know if they provide any shield. I really
don't see how a service with no SLA could be deemed by anyone as emergency
communications.

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 9:05 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Honestly I wish they would stop selling these things with an option to
> use the Internet rather than a phone line...or at least require a
> landline phone as a backup for the Internet.
>
> There was a 4 hour outage on a Saturday morning recently caused by a
> router failure.  Frankly, I'm happy with how quickly we resolved that
> given that it was just about the worst failure possible and it happened
> on a weekend.  But if someone had a problem at that time, and their
> health monitoring equipment couldn't phone the mothership to report it I
> really don't want that on my head.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> On 6/24/2019 11:46 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> > I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still living on
> > their own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly works), they don't
> > even have a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices now are geared
> > towards the smart home market, where they presume that you have an
> > internet connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month for the
> > monitoring/answering service.  There are other family members close
> > by, so it really just needs a wireless panic button that can make an
> > outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably more technical
> > that can be handled, and I know that it would rarely leave it's base
> > station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.
> >
> > Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers until someone
> > answers and confirms via keypress or something.
> >
> > Does something like that exist?
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

2019-06-24 Thread Ken Hohhof 
Highly recommend TOS contain language stating the service is not for "high risk 
use" where an outage could lead to death, personal injury or property damage.  
And enforce it.  If a customer states they intend to use the Internet 
connection for life support systems, medical alerts, fire alarms, etc., insist 
they must have a backup method like a landline or cellphone.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 11:05 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

Honestly I wish they would stop selling these things with an option to use the 
Internet rather than a phone line...or at least require a landline phone as a 
backup for the Internet.

There was a 4 hour outage on a Saturday morning recently caused by a router 
failure.  Frankly, I'm happy with how quickly we resolved that given that it 
was just about the worst failure possible and it happened on a weekend.  But if 
someone had a problem at that time, and their health monitoring equipment 
couldn't phone the mothership to report it I really don't want that on my head.

-Adam


On 6/24/2019 11:46 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still living on 
> their own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly works), they don't 
> even have a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices now are geared 
> towards the smart home market, where they presume that you have an 
> internet connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month for the 
> monitoring/answering service.  There are other family members close 
> by, so it really just needs a wireless panic button that can make an 
> outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably more technical 
> that can be handled, and I know that it would rarely leave it's base 
> station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.
>
> Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers until someone 
> answers and confirms via keypress or something.
>
> Does something like that exist?
>


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

2019-06-24 Thread Nate Burke 

Thanks!  My Google-fu was failing me this morning.

On 6/24/2019 11:02 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
https://www.amazon.com/Medical-Alert-System-Seniors-MONTHLY/dp/B018DJ428A/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_229_t_1?_encoding=UTF8=1=PEVD2KAG67DQYSR59QGV 



-Original Message- From: Nate Burke
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 9:46 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still living on their
own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly works), they don't even have
a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices now are geared towards the
smart home market, where they presume that you have an internet
connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month for the
monitoring/answering service.  There are other family members close by,
so it really just needs a wireless panic button that can make an
outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably more technical that
can be handled, and I know that it would rarely leave it's base
station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.

Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers until someone
answers and confirms via keypress or something.

Does something like that exist?




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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

2019-06-24 Thread Adam Moffett 
Honestly I wish they would stop selling these things with an option to 
use the Internet rather than a phone line...or at least require a 
landline phone as a backup for the Internet.


There was a 4 hour outage on a Saturday morning recently caused by a 
router failure.  Frankly, I'm happy with how quickly we resolved that 
given that it was just about the worst failure possible and it happened 
on a weekend.  But if someone had a problem at that time, and their 
health monitoring equipment couldn't phone the mothership to report it I 
really don't want that on my head.


-Adam


On 6/24/2019 11:46 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still living on 
their own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly works), they don't 
even have a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices now are geared 
towards the smart home market, where they presume that you have an 
internet connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month for the 
monitoring/answering service.  There are other family members close 
by, so it really just needs a wireless panic button that can make an 
outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably more technical 
that can be handled, and I know that it would rarely leave it's base 
station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.


Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers until someone 
answers and confirms via keypress or something.


Does something like that exist?




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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

2019-06-24 Thread Chuck McCown 

https://www.amazon.com/Medical-Alert-System-Seniors-MONTHLY/dp/B018DJ428A/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_229_t_1?_encoding=UTF8=1=PEVD2KAG67DQYSR59QGV

-Original Message- 
From: Nate Burke

Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 9:46 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still living on their
own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly works), they don't even have
a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices now are geared towards the
smart home market, where they presume that you have an internet
connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month for the
monitoring/answering service.  There are other family members close by,
so it really just needs a wireless panic button that can make an
outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably more technical that
can be handled, and I know that it would rarely leave it's base
station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.

Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers until someone
answers and confirms via keypress or something.

Does something like that exist?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

2019-06-24 Thread Chuck McCown 

https://www.amazon.com/V-ALRT-Wireless-Personal-Emergency-Device/dp/B00JZM7ZVQ/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_229_t_0/144-5367273-5880503?_encoding=UTF8=1=J8WYTWNW8PWAK5FNXFBJ

-Original Message- 
From: Nate Burke

Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 9:46 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still living on their
own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly works), they don't even have
a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices now are geared towards the
smart home market, where they presume that you have an internet
connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month for the
monitoring/answering service.  There are other family members close by,
so it really just needs a wireless panic button that can make an
outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably more technical that
can be handled, and I know that it would rarely leave it's base
station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.

Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers until someone
answers and confirms via keypress or something.

Does something like that exist?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

2019-06-24 Thread Chuck McCown 

https://www.amazon.com/EMERGENCY-DIALER-MONTHLY-FEES-MEDICAL/dp/B010C8FH98

-Original Message- 
From: Nate Burke 
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 9:46 AM 
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems 

I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still living on their 
own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly works), they don't even have 
a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices now are geared towards the 
smart home market, where they presume that you have an internet 
connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month for the 
monitoring/answering service.  There are other family members close by, 
so it really just needs a wireless panic button that can make an 
outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably more technical that 
can be handled, and I know that it would rarely leave it's base 
station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.


Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers until someone 
answers and confirms via keypress or something.


Does something like that exist?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

2019-06-24 Thread Chuck McCown 

https://www.rescuealert.com/

-Original Message- 
From: Nate Burke 
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 9:46 AM 
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems 

I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still living on their 
own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly works), they don't even have 
a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices now are geared towards the 
smart home market, where they presume that you have an internet 
connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month for the 
monitoring/answering service.  There are other family members close by, 
so it really just needs a wireless panic button that can make an 
outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably more technical that 
can be handled, and I know that it would rarely leave it's base 
station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.


Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers until someone 
answers and confirms via keypress or something.


Does something like that exist?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Medical Alert Systems

2019-06-24 Thread can...@believewireless.net 
I just send you an e-mail. A friend of mine owns a medical pendant company
and can let you
know what is on the market or if he has a solution that can help.

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 11:47 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> I have some relatives that are getting elderly and still living on their
> own.  Landline only (Frontier, so it mostly works), they don't even have
> a cell phone.  It seems like a lot of devices now are geared towards the
> smart home market, where they presume that you have an internet
> connection.  Other devices are $20 or $30/month for the
> monitoring/answering service.  There are other family members close by,
> so it really just needs a wireless panic button that can make an
> outbound call to them.  A cordless phone is probably more technical that
> can be handled, and I know that it would rarely leave it's base
> station.  So a pendent/watch is much more preferable.
>
> Just brainstorming, Preferably, dial a list of numbers until someone
> answers and confirms via keypress or something.
>
> Does something like that exist?
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