Re: [AFMUG] Limelight Networks and TCP congestion control

[George Skorup]

+100brazillon

On 7/8/2015 9:26 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

- 1000

Let me clarify.  Customer has subscribed to a certain speed tier, 
let's say 5 Mbps.  So LLNW consistently sends 10 Mbps of traffic to 
this customer, half of which gets dumped on the floor. Actually half 
of the customer's traffic gets randomly dropped, not just the LLNW 
traffic.


The #1 problem with this is that one edge provider is inflicting 50% 
packet loss on every other edge provider trying to send content to 
this end customer.  Everything else the customer tried to do, even 
loading simple web pages, was dog slow.  Not because his Internet 
connection was "slow" or because his ISP didn't have enough 
bandwidth.  But because LLNW was crowding every other provider out.


I don't see how this practice by LLNW is efficient delivery, or how 
you interpret this to mean the ISP does not have enough bandwidth.  
Unless you interpret selling different speeds at different prices as 
not having enough bandwidth.




-Original Message- From: Paul Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 7:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Limelight Networks and TCP congestion control

Yeah ... just think of "whack a mole" here.. you slow down CDN network X
 this may force the traffic (depending on who is involved here) to 
come

from a different node or even a completely different CDN network ..   not
sure why LLNW are considered dicks here - their job is to deliver the
content as fast and as efficiently as possible ... ISP job is to have 
enough

bandwidth to deliver if possible (I know, loaded statements)

Paul


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 8:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Limelight Networks and TCP congestion control

Is this only from LLNW? I swear I've seen it from other CDNs as well. I
don't see any way around this other than throwing bandwidth at it. And as
you mention, this means upstream bandwidth and backhaul links between
towers.

On 7/8/2015 5:50 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

This has been discussed in previous threads, but I just got off a call
with a customer where I was able to identify what content was being
distributed via LLNW and causing problems. Customer had bought a new
Xbox and it was downloading game updates.  He was complaining that the
game update seemed stuck getting to 100%, plus Internet on his other
devices was painfully slow.

LLNW seems to aim for 50% packet loss.  I always seem to see almost
exactly 2X the customer's rate limit hitting our border router. Of
course this causes all traffic to that customer to experience random
50% packet loss, which few applications can tolerate.  It is also
consuming our upstream and backhaul bandwidth beyond what the customer
has subscribed to, since we do rate limiting at the tower router.

Other than getting a Procera box and setting up some kind of rule to
catch this at the border (plus maybe a penalty for LLNW being such
dicks), I don't know what to do about this, but it pisses me off.

Re: [AFMUG] Software 13.4: P8 FSK not recommended

[George Skorup]

Well thanks for being the guinea pig Bill. I have a sector with a couple 
P8 SMs. Awesome. I haven't started updating anything to 13.4 yet though. 
Sure will be fun getting the P9s on that AP to update since P7, P8 and 
P9 is a one-shot deal.


On 7/8/2015 10:06 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
We did another couple groups of updates to 13.4 last night. On one 
sector we had a couple of very low volume users on P8 FSK. Both of 
them bricked.


Well, not exactly bricked. We should have updated them to newer 
hardware a long time ago, and since they were not heavy users, it 
really was not a priority item.


So we swapped them out today, and brought them back to the shop. Turns 
out you could bring them back to life if you default them. Cool I 
thought. However, as soon as you apply a "real" configuration, they 
revert to brick mode. No ethernet, no life. You can re-reset them and 
bring them back. So I defaulted one, and downgraded to 13.1.3, and all 
is well, or as well as a P8 can be.


Not real valuable, but if you have some old P8 FSK still running 
anywhere, I do not recommend you try 13.4 on them.


bp


On 7/2/2015 2:11 PM, Ryan Ray wrote:
Who's gonna be the first guinea pig? Make sure to do a 1000 unit 
upgrade and let us know how it goes :P

Re: [AFMUG] Is that a Siklu

[Stefan Englhardt]

You are kidding? This is a cheap Mikrotik SXT.

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Jaime Solorza  
Datum: 09.07.2015  06:53  (GMT+01:00) 
An: Animal Farm  
Betreff: [AFMUG] Is that a Siklu 

Re: [AFMUG] I forgot to ask, do you need paper?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Where are the osha-mandated straps?  And hardhat probably.   Don't forget
the two on the ground supervisors each ready to rescue you at a moment's
notice.   Or at least look at each other with a "what do we do now?" look.

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 7:01 PM,  wrote:

>   That is the employee restroom!
>
>  *From:* TJ Trout 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 8, 2015 7:00 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I forgot to ask, do you need paper?
>
>  I like how you custom made a seat for the 30 seconds you were up on the
> pole!
>
> On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 5:57 PM,  wrote:
>
>>   Typically we are at Wispapalloza.  Frequently sharing a gooth with
>> Last Mile Gear/Cascade Networks.
>>
>> Jason Petrillo is our booth babe.  Trying to get him into a bikini this
>> year!!!
>>
>> And of course, AnimalFarm is THE premier show for all wispdom.
>> See www.amfug.com
>>
>> We don’t have next years details up there yet.
>>
>>  *From:* Erich Kaiser 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 8, 2015 6:53 PM
>> *To:* Chuck McCown 
>> *Subject:* Re: I forgot to ask, do you need paper?
>>
>>  LOL, Chuck we have never met but this is some funny stuff!  Are you
>> going to WISPAPoolza or?
>>
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>> North Central Tower
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>> Office: 630-621-4804
>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 7:50 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>>   Do you need paper!  Forgot to ask if you want a real
>>> paper catalog.  If so, send the request t...@wbmfg.com
>>> Finally got the catalog finished. Forgot to ask:  Do you
>>> need paper?   Chuck McCown says Hi!We have added a bunch of new
>>> tower mounting product to allow you to mount almost anything to any tower
>>> or pole.
>>>
>>> And we have a* brand new, tree consuming, oil industry ink using real
>>> old-fashioned paper catalog coming out too.  *
>>>
>>> Please check out the internet catalog: http://bit.ly/1eYzD9V
>>> 
>>>
>>> If you want us to* MAIL* as in USPS  stamps that I may or may not
>>> personally lick providing you a DNA physically mail you a copy, please
>>> don't be bashful in asking.
>>>
>>> Send a note to:
>>> t...@wbmfg.com and ask for this wonderful smelling document. It has
>>> more than one use too!  Check the photo above!!!
>>>
>>> Thanks for your kindness in reading this spammy type of email.  please
>>> forgive me.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Chuck McCown
>>> WB Manufactureing AKA McCown Technology Corporation  *Copyright
>>> © 2015 *|McCown Technology Corporation|*, All rights reserved.*
>>>
>>> *Our mailing address is:*
>>> www.afmug.com
>>> 
>>>
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>



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Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
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Re: [AFMUG] Tower abandonment

[Rory Conaway]

According to the landowner, he says no but I'm getting the contract tomorrow.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 9:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower abandonment

If they stopped paying rent 18 months ago, I'm sure the contract states they 
are in violation and the landlord can cancel the contract.

Travis

On 7/8/2015 10:22 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:
We found a tower that is on a private residence.� The company that put it up 
stopped paying rent 18 months ago to the homeowner and 30 days ago, they 
abandoned the entire area.� There is nothing in the contract about 
abandonment.� Legally, can the property owner rent out the tower to another 
company under some type of abandonment clause?�
�
Rory Conaway � Triad Wireless � CEO
4226 S. 37th Street � Phoenix � AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net
�
�Nothing can bring you peace but yourself. Nothing can bring you peace but 
the triumph of principles.� � Ralph Waldo Emerson
�

Re: [AFMUG] Tower abandonment

[Travis Johnson]

If they stopped paying rent 18 months ago, I'm sure the contract states 
they are in violation and the landlord can cancel the contract.


Travis


On 7/8/2015 10:22 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:


We found a tower that is on a private residence.  The company that put 
it up stopped paying rent 18 months ago to the homeowner and 30 days 
ago, they abandoned the entire area.  There is nothing in the contract 
about abandonment.  Legally, can the property owner rent out the tower 
to another company under some type of abandonment clause?


*Rory Conaway **� Triad Wireless �**CEO*

*4226 S. 37^th Street � Phoenix � AZ 85040*

*602-426-0542*

*r...@triadwireless.net *

*www.triadwireless.net *

**

*�Nothing can bring you peace but yourself. Nothing can bring you 
peace but the triumph of principles.� � Ralph Waldo Emerson*

Re: [AFMUG] Denial of service mitigation

[TJ Trout]

How's that going to work? Route all of your traffic to them first by VPN? I
think that's just for websites...?

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 7/8/15 7:48 PM, Andreas Wiatowski wrote:
>
>> Wondering if anyone has a magic answer to DDOS mitigation beyond “buy
>> more bandwidth”?
>>
>
>
> Other than having excess bandwidth to absorb it or null routing the target
> IP upstream, there's DDoS scrubbing services like Prolexic.
>
> ~Seth
>

[AFMUG] Tower abandonment

[Rory Conaway]

We found a tower that is on a private residence.  The company that put it up 
stopped paying rent 18 months ago to the homeowner and 30 days ago, they 
abandoned the entire area.  There is nothing in the contract about abandonment. 
 Legally, can the property owner rent out the tower to another company under 
some type of abandonment clause?

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"Nothing can bring you peace but yourself. Nothing can bring you peace but the 
triumph of principles." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon DSL for Resale?

[Michael Davis]

We used DSL to feed towers when we had no other option - better than 
nothing. But it worked only because we also sell DSL and DSL connections 
are terminated at our facilities. (Was Verizon, now Frontier.) We 
controlled the IP configuration and routing, which allowed us to handle 
wireless customers connections however needed.


On 7/8/2015 2:25 PM, Christopher Gray wrote:

Is there a Verizon DSL product that can be used for ISP bandwidth?

I'm using fiber for my main service, but I do not have a second 
provider. Verizon DSL is the only other option for service nearby. I'm 
thinking about getting a DSL service at a few sites for failover if it 
can be done.


Thanks, Chris

Re: [AFMUG] Denial of service mitigation

[Seth Mattinen]

On 7/8/15 7:48 PM, Andreas Wiatowski wrote:

Wondering if anyone has a magic answer to DDOS mitigation beyond “buy
more bandwidth”?



Other than having excess bandwidth to absorb it or null routing the 
target IP upstream, there's DDoS scrubbing services like Prolexic.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] CableOne

[D. Ryan Spott]

Xfinity/Comcast already does this for channel 41+

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switched_video Bigband networks (now 
part of Arris) started this a while ago.


The bandwidth available to the cable MSOs is pretty amazing.

ryan

On 7/7/15 9:57 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
It will not be long before they use all the cable channels for data 
and then send you tv over IPTV.
Called VOD.  Video over Data.  I think that if coax plant is still out 
there 10 years from now, it will be done this way.

The money is in the data, not the TV.
*From:* D. Ryan Spott 
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2015 10:50 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CableOne
The new standard is fiber node and then max 3 line extenders.
Seeing these speeds is the norm.
ryan

--
D. Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
broadband | telco | colo | communities
PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294
425-939-0047

On Jul 7, 2015, at 08:42, That One Guy /sarcasm 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I have mediacom at home, I had always been on a 12x2 plan, we are 
heavy streaming, no tv and tons of kids the old hag babysits with 
electronics, its like a BYOD party at my house plus my folks are 
connected up to my house from across the street. My brother in law 
moved in and was pushing me over my cap so I went to upgrade, it was 
cheaper to go to the 100mb plan, something like 50 bucks, I dont know.
I was floored when I was talking to the tech when I was activating my 
modem. I asked what kinds of speeds I would actually see figuring on 
average 40, maybe more, maybe less. he keept assuring me that at no 
time would I ever see less than 80. I told my I run an ISP network, 
that he didnt need to lie to me. but he almost sounded angry when he 
told me, 80mb over and over.
I consistently see 30-60mbps on speedtests. Highest Ive seen is like 
a 92. They have fiber on the poles, but cable to the house, I dont 
know what that means, they strung the fiber like 15 years ago.
One thing to note, if have internet only cable to your house, I 
assume its provider dependent, if they dont have a filter on your 
line there are alot of overlay analog channel and a boatload of 
digital. when I was investigating it, even with the filter in place, 
the way mediacom does pay per view is they must have dynamic digital 
channels in place. if you periodically scan channels you can watch 
whatever someone if watching on pay per view, but youre at the whim 
of their remote. I havent checked it in a while, going to prison for 
some free tv didnt seem all that appealing for somone as pretty as me
On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:


In town where the cable is already ran and you just need DOCSIS
3... Why not?!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jul 6, 2015 9:50 PM, "Travis Johnson" mailto:t...@ida.net>> wrote:

Hey,

So the cable provider in my area just increased their speeds
to 100Mbps. So now you can get 100Mbps cable internet for
$33/month for the 1st year... then it goes up to $59/month
for year two. I don't know of anyone with this package yet,
but that's pretty impressive for the price.

Travis



--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.



--
D. Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
broadband | telco | colo | communities
PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294
425-939-0047

Re: [AFMUG] Software 13.4: P8 FSK not recommended

[Bill Prince]

We did another couple groups of updates to 13.4 last night. On one 
sector we had a couple of very low volume users on P8 FSK. Both of them 
bricked.


Well, not exactly bricked. We should have updated them to newer hardware 
a long time ago, and since they were not heavy users, it really was not 
a priority item.


So we swapped them out today, and brought them back to the shop. Turns 
out you could bring them back to life if you default them. Cool I 
thought. However, as soon as you apply a "real" configuration, they 
revert to brick mode. No ethernet, no life. You can re-reset them and 
bring them back. So I defaulted one, and downgraded to 13.1.3, and all 
is well, or as well as a P8 can be.


Not real valuable, but if you have some old P8 FSK still running 
anywhere, I do not recommend you try 13.4 on them.


bp


On 7/2/2015 2:11 PM, Ryan Ray wrote:
Who's gonna be the first guinea pig? Make sure to do a 1000 unit 
upgrade and let us know how it goes :P

Re: [AFMUG] Denial of service mitigation

[TJ Trout]

I'm not really an expert by any means, but from what I've learned your can
either filter it at your core/edge routers and take the bandwidth hit
(assuming excess cpu and bandwidth) or block it farther upstream either
manually by per incident request with your upstream or a bgp black hole
community.

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 7:48 PM, Andreas Wiatowski 
wrote:

>  Wondering if anyone has a magic answer to DDOS mitigation beyond “buy
> more bandwidth”?
>
>  We a couple of attacks this evening and had to turn of block
> advertisements for quite some time…
>
>
>  Cheers,
>
>  Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
> Silo Wireless Inc.
> 519-449-5656 x-600
>
>

[AFMUG] Denial of service mitigation

[Andreas Wiatowski]

Wondering if anyone has a magic answer to DDOS mitigation beyond “buy more 
bandwidth”?

We a couple of attacks this evening and had to turn of block advertisements for 
quite some time…


Cheers,

Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
519-449-5656 x-600

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

[Ken Hohhof]

I have an L-Com omni that we replaced about a week ago because it blew its top. 
 I took a look inside it today, there ain’t much in there.  Curious if the guts 
of the Alpha antenna are more impressive.


From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 7:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

We have exactly one Alpha Wireless 2.4 GHz dual slant omni. Looks like a very 
tall coke can.




bp


On 7/8/2015 11:10 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  Alpha might be better but AFAIK only makes 2.5 and 3.5 GHz.

  My experience with KPP and L-Com which are apparently from the same source as 
Chuck’s has been the performance is mediocre at best.  The gain doesn’t seem 
like it is really 13 dBi, the azimuth pattern is quite lumpy, and the V/H ratio 
will be all over the map.  Also I had the top cap blow off one of them in a 
storm.

  The published patterns for the UBNT omni will scare you off, they are very 
ugly, but maybe they are just being more honest than the competition.


  From: Mathew Howard 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 12:06 PM
  To: af 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

  I think I've actual only seen three different kinds of dual polarity omnis.


  UBNT and Arc are the only ones that seem to be different. The ones like Chuck 
sells seem the best, UBNT are second and Arc are complete trash.


  On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Colin Stanners  wrote:

Is it just me or are a number of the higher - quality WISP antenna 
manufacturers loving the KBT omnis?

On Jul 8, 2015 10:06 AM,  wrote:

  Same parts  same source in China...

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2015 6:46 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

  That link shows plots that sure look like 0 degrees.  Identical to L-Com 
part?  Same plots.

  From: TJ Trout 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 7:14 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

  2* is my guess

  On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Matt  wrote:

http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=81&Cat=

Does this antenna have down tilt?

Re: [AFMUG] Limelight Networks and TCP congestion control

[Ken Hohhof]

- 1000

Let me clarify.  Customer has subscribed to a certain speed tier, let's say 
5 Mbps.  So LLNW consistently sends 10 Mbps of traffic to this customer, 
half of which gets dumped on the floor.  Actually half of the customer's 
traffic gets randomly dropped, not just the LLNW traffic.


The #1 problem with this is that one edge provider is inflicting 50% packet 
loss on every other edge provider trying to send content to this end 
customer.  Everything else the customer tried to do, even loading simple web 
pages, was dog slow.  Not because his Internet connection was "slow" or 
because his ISP didn't have enough bandwidth.  But because LLNW was crowding 
every other provider out.


I don't see how this practice by LLNW is efficient delivery, or how you 
interpret this to mean the ISP does not have enough bandwidth.  Unless you 
interpret selling different speeds at different prices as not having enough 
bandwidth.




-Original Message- 
From: Paul Stewart

Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 7:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Limelight Networks and TCP congestion control

Yeah ... just think of "whack a mole" here.. you slow down CDN network X
 this may force the traffic (depending on who is involved here) to come
from a different node or even a completely different CDN network ..   not
sure why LLNW are considered dicks here - their job is to deliver the
content as fast and as efficiently as possible ... ISP job is to have enough
bandwidth to deliver if possible (I know, loaded statements)

Paul


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 8:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Limelight Networks and TCP congestion control

Is this only from LLNW? I swear I've seen it from other CDNs as well. I
don't see any way around this other than throwing bandwidth at it. And as
you mention, this means upstream bandwidth and backhaul links between
towers.

On 7/8/2015 5:50 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

This has been discussed in previous threads, but I just got off a call
with a customer where I was able to identify what content was being
distributed via LLNW and causing problems. Customer had bought a new
Xbox and it was downloading game updates.  He was complaining that the
game update seemed stuck getting to 100%, plus Internet on his other
devices was painfully slow.

LLNW seems to aim for 50% packet loss.  I always seem to see almost
exactly 2X the customer's rate limit hitting our border router.  Of
course this causes all traffic to that customer to experience random
50% packet loss, which few applications can tolerate.  It is also
consuming our upstream and backhaul bandwidth beyond what the customer
has subscribed to, since we do rate limiting at the tower router.

Other than getting a Procera box and setting up some kind of rule to
catch this at the border (plus maybe a penalty for LLNW being such
dicks), I don't know what to do about this, but it pisses me off.

Re: [AFMUG] Solar pricing

[Travis Johnson]

Hi,

We could never justify having to deal with all the extra BS of a 
solar/wind site. If $50/month for the power is a big expense at this new 
site, you may want to consider a new business model. :)


Travis


On 7/8/2015 5:55 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:

Hey guys,

I'm looking at a site where we will use about 100 watts of power and 
trying to figure long term costs of doing solar instead of paying for 
a power connection. The power connection would cost between $40-50 per 
month with between 80-100 kWh per month of usage. Even if we go with 
grid power, we still planning on having at least 150ah of battery 
backup available.


If we decide to go solar and provide enough power to not have an 
outage with overcast days, what are your suggestions for the amount of 
solar wattage needed and how many batteries we'd need?


Any advice with solar would be great so we can compare costs. Thank you

--
Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com 
507-634-WiFi
 Like us on Facebook 

Re: [AFMUG] I forgot to ask, do you need paper?

[Mathew Howard]

Few restrooms have a view like that, I'm sure your employees love it!

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 8:01 PM,  wrote:

>   That is the employee restroom!
>
>  *From:* TJ Trout 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 8, 2015 7:00 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I forgot to ask, do you need paper?
>
>  I like how you custom made a seat for the 30 seconds you were up on the
> pole!
>
> On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 5:57 PM,  wrote:
>
>>   Typically we are at Wispapalloza.  Frequently sharing a gooth with
>> Last Mile Gear/Cascade Networks.
>>
>> Jason Petrillo is our booth babe.  Trying to get him into a bikini this
>> year!!!
>>
>> And of course, AnimalFarm is THE premier show for all wispdom.
>> See www.amfug.com
>>
>> We don’t have next years details up there yet.
>>
>>  *From:* Erich Kaiser 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 8, 2015 6:53 PM
>> *To:* Chuck McCown 
>> *Subject:* Re: I forgot to ask, do you need paper?
>>
>>  LOL, Chuck we have never met but this is some funny stuff!  Are you
>> going to WISPAPoolza or?
>>
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>> North Central Tower
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>> Office: 630-621-4804
>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 7:50 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>>   Do you need paper!  Forgot to ask if you want a real
>>> paper catalog.  If so, send the request t...@wbmfg.com
>>> Finally got the catalog finished. Forgot to ask:  Do you
>>> need paper?   Chuck McCown says Hi!We have added a bunch of new
>>> tower mounting product to allow you to mount almost anything to any tower
>>> or pole.
>>>
>>> And we have a* brand new, tree consuming, oil industry ink using real
>>> old-fashioned paper catalog coming out too.  *
>>>
>>> Please check out the internet catalog: http://bit.ly/1eYzD9V
>>> 
>>>
>>> If you want us to* MAIL* as in USPS  stamps that I may or may not
>>> personally lick providing you a DNA physically mail you a copy, please
>>> don't be bashful in asking.
>>>
>>> Send a note to:
>>> t...@wbmfg.com and ask for this wonderful smelling document. It has
>>> more than one use too!  Check the photo above!!!
>>>
>>> Thanks for your kindness in reading this spammy type of email.  please
>>> forgive me.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Chuck McCown
>>> WB Manufactureing AKA McCown Technology Corporation  *Copyright
>>> © 2015 *|McCown Technology Corporation|*, All rights reserved.*
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Limelight Networks and TCP congestion control

[Ron Marosko]

In the spirit of true "net neutrality", I have a policy-map on our border
router that strips almost all QoS bits regardless of source.  Netflix like
to send all their stuff with the AF41 DSCP bit set, for example, and that
one gets terminated with extreme prejudice. I do try to at least consider
the VoIP stuff that is supposed to be set with DCSP EF and will reapply that
bit as necessary, but everything else gets categorized as DCSP 00, meaning
it's all the same. And if it gets dropped, it gets dropped.


--
Ron Marosko, Jr.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
CCIE No. 4526 (R/S), NN5DX
Senior Network Engineer
DirectBytes, LLC.
1108 West Dickinson Blvd, Suite A
Fort Stockton, TX 79735 USA
o: +1 432 336 5600 x115
c: +1 432 290 6344
e: r...@rjr-services.com 
pgp pubkey: 0x58AB8B5C
"To know me is to fly with me."

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 7:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Limelight Networks and TCP congestion control

What about lowering the priority of stuff coming from LLNW?

bp


On 7/8/2015 5:15 PM, George Skorup wrote:
> Is this only from LLNW? I swear I've seen it from other CDNs as well. 
> I don't see any way around this other than throwing bandwidth at it. 
> And as you mention, this means upstream bandwidth and backhaul links 
> between towers.
>
> On 7/8/2015 5:50 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> This has been discussed in previous threads, but I just got off a 
>> call with a customer where I was able to identify what content was 
>> being distributed via LLNW and causing problems. Customer had bought 
>> a new Xbox and it was downloading game updates.  He was complaining 
>> that the game update seemed stuck getting to 100%, plus Internet on 
>> his other devices was painfully slow.
>>
>> LLNW seems to aim for 50% packet loss.  I always seem to see almost 
>> exactly 2X the customer's rate limit hitting our border router.  Of 
>> course this causes all traffic to that customer to experience random 
>> 50% packet loss, which few applications can tolerate.  It is also 
>> consuming our upstream and backhaul bandwidth beyond what the 
>> customer has subscribed to, since we do rate limiting at the tower 
>> router.
>>
>> Other than getting a Procera box and setting up some kind of rule to 
>> catch this at the border (plus maybe a penalty for LLNW being such 
>> dicks), I don't know what to do about this, but it pisses me off.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Flush mount wifi jack

[Daniel White]

Nothing really new.  Ruckus and Meru have had them for a long time (these are 
the recent models) and I’m sure there are more out there:

 

Ruckus:

http://www.ruckuswireless.com/products/access-points/zoneflex-indoor/zoneflex-h500

 

Meru:

http://www.merunetworks.com/Products/Access-Points/AP122.html

 

Thank you,

 

Daniel White

afmu...@gmail.com  

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

Skype: danieldwhite
Social:   LinkedIn:  
 Twitter

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve D
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 7:02 PM
To: af
Subject: [AFMUG] Flush mount wifi jack

 

Anyone used this company's gear?  This looks like a really neat little unit for 
motels and stuff.  I can think of a few places where we installed a wifi node 
right beside the jack... could have used this for an even cleaner appearance.

 

http://www.newworldtelecom.com/NW-IW100GX-N

 

Question I'd have is whether it's crap or not.  Powered by 802.3af.  It 
certainly caught my eye with neat-o factor.

 

Thoughts?

 

-Steve D

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT

[Mike Hammett]

That was probably their way of saying you're not in the cool kids club anymore. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "George Skorup"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 8:01:11 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT 

I got an email many months ago saying that's what they're doing. We're peered 
with 4436. So I asked, when are we coordinated to be moved to 3257? They 
said... you're not. Umm.. Ok. So I don't know WTF their plan is. Maybe they're 
going to stick with the 4436 as regional and 3257 as global plan. 


On 7/8/2015 7:54 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: 




FYI, GTT is collapsing their network (nlayer AS4436 ) into Tinet ASN 3257. 


Regards. 


Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 


Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 


- Original Message -


From: "Paul Stewart"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 8:27:32 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT 




Man I miss TiNet … those were great years J 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 2:43 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT 


NLayer, TINet or one of their other acquisitions? ;-) 





- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -


From: "Paul Stewart" < p...@paulstewart.org > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 1:07:57 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT 
As in GTT – IP Transit provider? 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway 
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 1:47 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT 

I was told they are pulling out of Tucson. 

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO 
4226 S. 37 th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040 
602-426-0542 
r...@triadwireless.net 
www.triadwireless.net 

“Nothing can bring you peace but yourself. Nothing can bring you peace but the 
triumph of principles.” – Ralph Waldo Emerson 

Re: [AFMUG] 2.5Ghz Gear

[Patrick Leary]

Laugh.

Patrick Leary, Telrad
On Jul 8, 2015 8:24 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:
ROFL .. don’t know whether to laugh right now or apologize :)

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 3:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2.5Ghz Gear

LOL, now that's funny!

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

On Jul 8, 2015, at 3:24 PM, Patrick Leary 
mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com>> wrote:
That would be "leery."

Patrick Leary, Telrad
On Jul 8, 2015 2:07 PM, Paul Stewart 
mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>> wrote:
Interesting.. so I hear that Huawei makes stuff too but I’m leary of them… will 
check out Telrad though for sure…

Thanks,
Paul



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 12:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2.5Ghz Gear

Looking at one such base station here in Puerto Rico as we speak. It installs 
later today.

Patrick Leary, Telrad
On Jul 8, 2015 12:33 PM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Telrad.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Paul Stewart 
mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>> wrote:
Hey folks…

Who’s making 2.5Ghz gear these days for multipoint?

Thanks,
Paul







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Re: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT

[George Skorup]

No-advertise. Best community evar.

On 7/8/2015 7:56 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
I hope they keep the great BGP community support that N-Layer had. I'm 
pretty sure they had a community for redirecting your FTP requests 
through Mars.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *"Faisal Imtiaz" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, July 8, 2015 7:54:50 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT

FYI, GTT is collapsing their network (nlayer AS4436 ) into Tinet ASN 3257.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net



*From: *"Paul Stewart" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, July 8, 2015 8:27:32 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT

Man I miss TiNet … those were great years J

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 8, 2015 2:43 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT

NLayer, TINet or one of their other acquisitions?  ;-)



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



*From: *"Paul Stewart" mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>>
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Wednesday, July 8, 2015 1:07:57 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT

As in GTT – IP Transit provider?

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 8, 2015 1:47 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT

I was told they are pulling out of Tucson.

*Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •**CEO*

*4226 S. 37^th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*

*602-426-0542*

*r...@triadwireless.net *

*www.triadwireless.net *

**

*“Nothing can bring you peace but yourself. Nothing can bring you
peace but the triumph of principles.” – Ralph Waldo Emerson*

Re: [AFMUG] I forgot to ask, do you need paper?

[chuck]

That is the employee restroom!

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 7:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I forgot to ask, do you need paper?

I like how you custom made a seat for the 30 seconds you were up on the pole!

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 5:57 PM,  wrote:

  Typically we are at Wispapalloza.  Frequently sharing a gooth with Last Mile 
Gear/Cascade Networks.

  Jason Petrillo is our booth babe.  Trying to get him into a bikini this 
year!!!

  And of course, AnimalFarm is THE premier show for all wispdom.  
  See www.amfug.com

  We don’t have next years details up there yet.  

  From: Erich Kaiser 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 6:53 PM
  To: Chuck McCown 
  Subject: Re: I forgot to ask, do you need paper?

  LOL, Chuck we have never met but this is some funny stuff!  Are you going to 
WISPAPoolza or? 


  Erich Kaiser 
  North Central Tower
  er...@northcentraltower.com
  Office: 630-621-4804
  Cell: 630-777-9291



  On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 7:50 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

 
   
  
Do you need paper!  Forgot to ask if you want a 
real paper catalog.  If so, send the request t...@wbmfg.com
 
   
 
   
 
   
Finally got the catalog finished.
Forgot to ask:  Do you need paper?

Chuck McCown says Hi! 
   
We have added a bunch of new tower mounting 
product to allow you to mount almost anything to any tower or pole.  

And we have a brand new, tree consuming, oil 
industry ink using real old-fashioned paper catalog coming out too.  

Please check out the internet catalog: 
http://bit.ly/1eYzD9V

If you want us to MAIL as in USPS  stamps that 
I may or may not personally lick providing you a DNA physically mail you a 
copy, please don't be bashful in asking.  

Send a note to:
t...@wbmfg.com and ask for this wonderful 
smelling document. It has more than one use too!  Check the photo above!!!

Thanks for your kindness in reading this spammy 
type of email.  please forgive me.

Kind regards,
Chuck McCown
WB Manufactureing AKA McCown Technology 
Corporation
   
 
   
 
   
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Re: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT

[George Skorup]

I got an email many months ago saying that's what they're doing. We're 
peered with 4436. So I asked, when are we coordinated to be moved to 
3257? They said... you're not. Umm.. Ok. So I don't know WTF their plan 
is. Maybe they're going to stick with the 4436 as regional and 3257 as 
global plan.


On 7/8/2015 7:54 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

FYI, GTT is collapsing their network (nlayer AS4436 ) into Tinet ASN 3257.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net



*From: *"Paul Stewart" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, July 8, 2015 8:27:32 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT

Man I miss TiNet … those were great years J

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 8, 2015 2:43 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT

NLayer, TINet or one of their other acquisitions?  ;-)



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



*From: *"Paul Stewart" mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>>
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Wednesday, July 8, 2015 1:07:57 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT

As in GTT – IP Transit provider?

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 8, 2015 1:47 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT

I was told they are pulling out of Tucson.

*Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •**CEO*

*4226 S. 37^th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*

*602-426-0542*

*r...@triadwireless.net *

*www.triadwireless.net *

**

*“Nothing can bring you peace but yourself. Nothing can bring you
peace but the triumph of principles.” – Ralph Waldo Emerson*

[AFMUG] Flush mount wifi jack

[Steve D]

Anyone used this company's gear?  This looks like a really neat little unit
for motels and stuff.  I can think of a few places where we installed a
wifi node right beside the jack... could have used this for an even cleaner
appearance.

http://www.newworldtelecom.com/NW-IW100GX-N

Question I'd have is whether it's crap or not.  Powered by 802.3af.  It
certainly caught my eye with neat-o factor.

Thoughts?

-Steve D

Re: [AFMUG] I forgot to ask, do you need paper?

[TJ Trout]

I like how you custom made a seat for the 30 seconds you were up on the
pole!

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 5:57 PM,  wrote:

>   Typically we are at Wispapalloza.  Frequently sharing a gooth with Last
> Mile Gear/Cascade Networks.
>
> Jason Petrillo is our booth babe.  Trying to get him into a bikini this
> year!!!
>
> And of course, AnimalFarm is THE premier show for all wispdom.
> See www.amfug.com
>
> We don’t have next years details up there yet.
>
>  *From:* Erich Kaiser 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 8, 2015 6:53 PM
> *To:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* Re: I forgot to ask, do you need paper?
>
>  LOL, Chuck we have never met but this is some funny stuff!  Are you
> going to WISPAPoolza or?
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 630-621-4804
> Cell: 630-777-9291
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 7:50 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>>  Do you need paper!  Forgot to ask if you want a real
>> paper catalog.  If so, send the request t...@wbmfg.com
>> Finally got the catalog finished. Forgot to ask:  Do you
>> need paper?   Chuck McCown says Hi!We have added a bunch of new
>> tower mounting product to allow you to mount almost anything to any tower
>> or pole.
>>
>> And we have a* brand new, tree consuming, oil industry ink using real
>> old-fashioned paper catalog coming out too.  *
>>
>> Please check out the internet catalog: http://bit.ly/1eYzD9V
>> 
>>
>> If you want us to* MAIL* as in USPS  stamps that I may or may not
>> personally lick providing you a DNA physically mail you a copy, please
>> don't be bashful in asking.
>>
>> Send a note to:
>> t...@wbmfg.com and ask for this wonderful smelling document. It has more
>> than one use too!  Check the photo above!!!
>>
>> Thanks for your kindness in reading this spammy type of email.  please
>> forgive me.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Chuck McCown
>> WB Manufactureing AKA McCown Technology Corporation  *Copyright
>> © 2015 *|McCown Technology Corporation|*, All rights reserved.*
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Re: [AFMUG] I forgot to ask, do you need paper?

[chuck]

Typically we are at Wispapalloza.  Frequently sharing a gooth with Last Mile 
Gear/Cascade Networks.

Jason Petrillo is our booth babe.  Trying to get him into a bikini this year!!!

And of course, AnimalFarm is THE premier show for all wispdom.  
See www.amfug.com

We don’t have next years details up there yet.  

From: Erich Kaiser 
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 6:53 PM
To: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: I forgot to ask, do you need paper?

LOL, Chuck we have never met but this is some funny stuff!  Are you going to 
WISPAPoolza or? 


Erich Kaiser 
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291



On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 7:50 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

   
 
  
Do you need paper!  Forgot to ask if you want a 
real paper catalog.  If so, send the request t...@wbmfg.com
   
 
   
 
   
 
Finally got the catalog finished.
Forgot to ask:  Do you need paper?

Chuck McCown says Hi! 
 
We have added a bunch of new tower mounting 
product to allow you to mount almost anything to any tower or pole.  

And we have a brand new, tree consuming, oil 
industry ink using real old-fashioned paper catalog coming out too.  

Please check out the internet catalog: 
http://bit.ly/1eYzD9V

If you want us to MAIL as in USPS  stamps that 
I may or may not personally lick providing you a DNA physically mail you a 
copy, please don't be bashful in asking.  

Send a note to:
t...@wbmfg.com and ask for this wonderful 
smelling document. It has more than one use too!  Check the photo above!!!

Thanks for your kindness in reading this spammy 
type of email.  please forgive me.

Kind regards,
Chuck McCown
WB Manufactureing AKA McCown Technology 
Corporation
 
   
 
   
 
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Corporation|*, All rights reserved.

Our mailing address is:
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Re: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT

[Mike Hammett]

I hope they keep the great BGP community support that N-Layer had. I'm pretty 
sure they had a community for redirecting your FTP requests through Mars. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Faisal Imtiaz"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 7:54:50 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT 



FYI, GTT is collapsing their network (nlayer AS4436 ) into Tinet ASN 3257. 


Regards. 


Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 


Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 


- Original Message -


From: "Paul Stewart"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 8:27:32 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT 




Man I miss TiNet … those were great years J 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 2:43 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT 


NLayer, TINet or one of their other acquisitions? ;-) 





- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -


From: "Paul Stewart" < p...@paulstewart.org > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 1:07:57 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT 
As in GTT – IP Transit provider? 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway 
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 1:47 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT 

I was told they are pulling out of Tucson. 

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO 
4226 S. 37 th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040 
602-426-0542 
r...@triadwireless.net 
www.triadwireless.net 

“Nothing can bring you peace but yourself. Nothing can bring you peace but the 
triumph of principles.” – Ralph Waldo Emerson 

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT

[Faisal Imtiaz]

FYI, GTT is collapsing their network (nlayer AS4436 ) into Tinet ASN 3257. 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

- Original Message -

> From: "Paul Stewart" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 8:27:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT

> Man I miss TiNet … those were great years J

> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 2:43 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT

> NLayer, TINet or one of their other acquisitions? ;-)

> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com

> - Original Message -

> From: "Paul Stewart" < p...@paulstewart.org >
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 1:07:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT

> As in GTT – IP Transit provider?

> From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
> Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 1:47 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT

> I was told they are pulling out of Tucson.

> Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

> 4226 S. 37 th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

> 602-426-0542

> r...@triadwireless.net

> www.triadwireless.net

> “Nothing can bring you peace but yourself. Nothing can bring you peace but
> the triumph of principles.” – Ralph Waldo Emerson

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT

[Mike Hammett]

GTT is finally integrating their various acquisitions. There was a bit of press 
last month with Dan Rayburn, GTT, Free Press and M-Labs. Free Press took some 
M-Labs data, completely made some shit up and then blamed AT&T for blowing like 
no one has ever blown before... except a couple problems. Dan asked GTT to 
confirm the problem (GTT-AT&T interconnection). GTT said it wasn't AT&T's 
fault, but theirs. They are collapsing their networks into one platform and in 
some areas the interconnects aren't the capacity they probably should be. 
Nothing to do with AT&T at all. Also, that M-Labs report never existed. M-Labs 
publicly said that the data they collect couldn't possibly lead to the 
conclusions Free Press made. Free Press was called out on being full of shit, 
but all they did in response was call Dan a doo doo head and run away. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Paul Stewart"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 7:27:32 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT 



Man I miss TiNet … those were great years J 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 2:43 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT 


NLayer, TINet or one of their other acquisitions? ;-) 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -


From: "Paul Stewart" < p...@paulstewart.org > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 1:07:57 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT 
As in GTT – IP Transit provider? 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway 
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 1:47 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT 

I was told they are pulling out of Tucson. 

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO 
4226 S. 37 th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040 
602-426-0542 
r...@triadwireless.net 
www.triadwireless.net 

“Nothing can bring you peace but yourself. Nothing can bring you peace but the 
triumph of principles.” – Ralph Waldo Emerson 

Re: [AFMUG] Limelight Networks and TCP congestion control

[Bill Prince]

What about lowering the priority of stuff coming from LLNW?

bp


On 7/8/2015 5:15 PM, George Skorup wrote:
Is this only from LLNW? I swear I've seen it from other CDNs as well. 
I don't see any way around this other than throwing bandwidth at it. 
And as you mention, this means upstream bandwidth and backhaul links 
between towers.


On 7/8/2015 5:50 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
This has been discussed in previous threads, but I just got off a 
call with a customer where I was able to identify what content was 
being distributed via LLNW and causing problems. Customer had bought 
a new Xbox and it was downloading game updates.  He was complaining 
that the game update seemed stuck getting to 100%, plus Internet on 
his other devices was painfully slow.


LLNW seems to aim for 50% packet loss.  I always seem to see almost 
exactly 2X the customer's rate limit hitting our border router.  Of 
course this causes all traffic to that customer to experience random 
50% packet loss, which few applications can tolerate.  It is also 
consuming our upstream and backhaul bandwidth beyond what the 
customer has subscribed to, since we do rate limiting at the tower 
router.


Other than getting a Procera box and setting up some kind of rule to 
catch this at the border (plus maybe a penalty for LLNW being such 
dicks), I don't know what to do about this, but it pisses me off.

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

[Bill Prince]

We have exactly one Alpha Wireless 2.4 GHz dual slant omni. Looks like a 
very tall coke can.




bp


On 7/8/2015 11:10 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Alpha might be better but AFAIK only makes 2.5 and 3.5 GHz.
My experience with KPP and L-Com which are apparently from the same 
source as Chuck’s has been the performance is mediocre at best.  The 
gain doesn’t seem like it is really 13 dBi, the azimuth pattern is 
quite lumpy, and the V/H ratio will be all over the map.  Also I had 
the top cap blow off one of them in a storm.
The published patterns for the UBNT omni will scare you off, they are 
very ugly, but maybe they are just being more honest than the competition.

*From:* Mathew Howard 
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 08, 2015 12:06 PM
*To:* af 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni
I think I've actual only seen three different kinds of dual polarity 
omnis.


UBNT and Arc are the only ones that seem to be different. The ones 
like Chuck sells seem the best, UBNT are second and Arc are complete 
trash.
On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Colin Stanners > wrote:


Is it just me or are a number of the higher - quality WISP antenna
manufacturers loving the KBT omnis?

On Jul 8, 2015 10:06 AM, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Same parts  same source in China...
*From:* Ken Hohhof 
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 7, 2015 6:46 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni
That link shows plots that sure look like 0 degrees. Identical
to L-Com part?  Same plots.
*From:* TJ Trout 
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2015 7:14 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni
2* is my guess
On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Matt
mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>> wrote:

http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=81&Cat=

Does this antenna have down tilt?

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT

[Paul Stewart]

Man I miss TiNet … those were great years :)

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 2:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT

 

NLayer, TINet or one of their other acquisitions?  ;-)



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 

  _  

From: "Paul Stewart" mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> >
To: af@afmug.com  
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 1:07:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT

As in GTT – IP Transit provider?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 1:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT

 

I was told they are pulling out of Tucson.

 

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

602-426-0542

r...@triadwireless.net  

www.triadwireless.net  

 

“Nothing can bring you peace but yourself. Nothing can bring you peace but the 
triumph of principles.” – Ralph Waldo Emerson

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] 2.5Ghz Gear

[Paul Stewart]

ROFL .. don’t know whether to laugh right now or apologize :)

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 3:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2.5Ghz Gear

 

LOL, now that's funny!

Jeff Broadwick

ConVergence Technologies, Inc.

312-205-2519 Office

574-220-7826 Cell

jbroadw...@converge-tech.com  


On Jul 8, 2015, at 3:24 PM, Patrick Leary mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com> > wrote:

That would be "leery."

 

Patrick Leary, Telrad

On Jul 8, 2015 2:07 PM, Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > wrote:

Interesting.. so I hear that Huawei makes stuff too but I’m leary of them… will 
check out Telrad though for sure…

 

Thanks,

Paul

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 12:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2.5Ghz Gear

 

Looking at one such base station here in Puerto Rico as we speak. It installs 
later today.

 

Patrick Leary, Telrad

On Jul 8, 2015 12:33 PM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

Telrad.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > wrote:

Hey folks…

 

Who’s making 2.5Ghz gear these days for multipoint?  

 

Thanks,

Paul

 

 

 





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Re: [AFMUG] Limelight Networks and TCP congestion control

[Paul Stewart]

Yeah ... just think of "whack a mole" here.. you slow down CDN network X
 this may force the traffic (depending on who is involved here) to come
from a different node or even a completely different CDN network ..   not
sure why LLNW are considered dicks here - their job is to deliver the
content as fast and as efficiently as possible ... ISP job is to have enough
bandwidth to deliver if possible (I know, loaded statements)

Paul


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 8:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Limelight Networks and TCP congestion control

Is this only from LLNW? I swear I've seen it from other CDNs as well. I
don't see any way around this other than throwing bandwidth at it. And as
you mention, this means upstream bandwidth and backhaul links between
towers.

On 7/8/2015 5:50 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> This has been discussed in previous threads, but I just got off a call 
> with a customer where I was able to identify what content was being 
> distributed via LLNW and causing problems. Customer had bought a new 
> Xbox and it was downloading game updates.  He was complaining that the 
> game update seemed stuck getting to 100%, plus Internet on his other 
> devices was painfully slow.
>
> LLNW seems to aim for 50% packet loss.  I always seem to see almost 
> exactly 2X the customer's rate limit hitting our border router.  Of 
> course this causes all traffic to that customer to experience random 
> 50% packet loss, which few applications can tolerate.  It is also 
> consuming our upstream and backhaul bandwidth beyond what the customer 
> has subscribed to, since we do rate limiting at the tower router.
>
> Other than getting a Procera box and setting up some kind of rule to 
> catch this at the border (plus maybe a penalty for LLNW being such 
> dicks), I don't know what to do about this, but it pisses me off.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Limelight Networks and TCP congestion control

[George Skorup]

You can push it all the way to the border(s) and have the same problem. 
You'll still need more upstream bandwidth. Because some CDNs think 
bandwidth is unlimited. We should start sending them a bill for 50% of 
our upstream costs.


On 7/8/2015 7:21 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:
Find a way to shape bandwidth at your edge/core routers instead of at 
the tower? Powercode, Azotel, and possibly others will do this.


On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 7:15 PM, George Skorup > wrote:


Is this only from LLNW? I swear I've seen it from other CDNs as
well. I don't see any way around this other than throwing
bandwidth at it. And as you mention, this means upstream bandwidth
and backhaul links between towers.


On 7/8/2015 5:50 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

This has been discussed in previous threads, but I just got
off a call with a customer where I was able to identify what
content was being distributed via LLNW and causing problems.
Customer had bought a new Xbox and it was downloading game
updates.  He was complaining that the game update seemed stuck
getting to 100%, plus Internet on his other devices was
painfully slow.

LLNW seems to aim for 50% packet loss.  I always seem to see
almost exactly 2X the customer's rate limit hitting our border
router.  Of course this causes all traffic to that customer to
experience random 50% packet loss, which few applications can
tolerate.  It is also consuming our upstream and backhaul
bandwidth beyond what the customer has subscribed to, since we
do rate limiting at the tower router.

Other than getting a Procera box and setting up some kind of
rule to catch this at the border (plus maybe a penalty for
LLNW being such dicks), I don't know what to do about this,
but it pisses me off.





--
Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com 
507-634-WiFi
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Re: [AFMUG] Limelight Networks and TCP congestion control

[Darin Steffl]

Find a way to shape bandwidth at your edge/core routers instead of at the
tower? Powercode, Azotel, and possibly others will do this.

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 7:15 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> Is this only from LLNW? I swear I've seen it from other CDNs as well. I
> don't see any way around this other than throwing bandwidth at it. And as
> you mention, this means upstream bandwidth and backhaul links between
> towers.
>
>
> On 7/8/2015 5:50 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
>> This has been discussed in previous threads, but I just got off a call
>> with a customer where I was able to identify what content was being
>> distributed via LLNW and causing problems. Customer had bought a new Xbox
>> and it was downloading game updates.  He was complaining that the game
>> update seemed stuck getting to 100%, plus Internet on his other devices was
>> painfully slow.
>>
>> LLNW seems to aim for 50% packet loss.  I always seem to see almost
>> exactly 2X the customer's rate limit hitting our border router.  Of course
>> this causes all traffic to that customer to experience random 50% packet
>> loss, which few applications can tolerate.  It is also consuming our
>> upstream and backhaul bandwidth beyond what the customer has subscribed to,
>> since we do rate limiting at the tower router.
>>
>> Other than getting a Procera box and setting up some kind of rule to
>> catch this at the border (plus maybe a penalty for LLNW being such dicks),
>> I don't know what to do about this, but it pisses me off.
>>
>>
>


-- 
Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
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Re: [AFMUG] Limelight Networks and TCP congestion control

[George Skorup]

Is this only from LLNW? I swear I've seen it from other CDNs as well. I 
don't see any way around this other than throwing bandwidth at it. And 
as you mention, this means upstream bandwidth and backhaul links between 
towers.


On 7/8/2015 5:50 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
This has been discussed in previous threads, but I just got off a call 
with a customer where I was able to identify what content was being 
distributed via LLNW and causing problems. Customer had bought a new 
Xbox and it was downloading game updates.  He was complaining that the 
game update seemed stuck getting to 100%, plus Internet on his other 
devices was painfully slow.


LLNW seems to aim for 50% packet loss.  I always seem to see almost 
exactly 2X the customer's rate limit hitting our border router.  Of 
course this causes all traffic to that customer to experience random 
50% packet loss, which few applications can tolerate.  It is also 
consuming our upstream and backhaul bandwidth beyond what the customer 
has subscribed to, since we do rate limiting at the tower router.


Other than getting a Procera box and setting up some kind of rule to 
catch this at the border (plus maybe a penalty for LLNW being such 
dicks), I don't know what to do about this, but it pisses me off.

Re: [AFMUG] Solar pricing

[chuck]

100 watts of load will take 2000 watts of panel depending on latitude and 
climate.
Figure 2 weeks of autonomy  of battery. 100*24*4=33600 watt hours.
This will cost you probably $2000+ $3360.  $5300 ought to do you just fine.  

Multiple  year pay off.  

From: Darin Steffl 
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 5:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com ; Principal WISPA Member List ; memb...@wispa.org 
Subject: [AFMUG] Solar pricing

Hey guys, 

I'm looking at a site where we will use about 100 watts of power and trying to 
figure long term costs of doing solar instead of paying for a power connection. 
The power connection would cost between $40-50 per month with between 80-100 
kWh per month of usage. Even if we go with grid power, we still planning on 
having at least 150ah of battery backup available.

If we decide to go solar and provide enough power to not have an outage with 
overcast days, what are your suggestions for the amount of solar wattage needed 
and how many batteries we'd need?

Any advice with solar would be great so we can compare costs. Thank you


-- 

Darin Steffl 
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
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[AFMUG] Solar pricing

[Darin Steffl]

Hey guys,

I'm looking at a site where we will use about 100 watts of power and trying
to figure long term costs of doing solar instead of paying for a power
connection. The power connection would cost between $40-50 per month with
between 80-100 kWh per month of usage. Even if we go with grid power, we
still planning on having at least 150ah of battery backup available.

If we decide to go solar and provide enough power to not have an outage
with overcast days, what are your suggestions for the amount of solar
wattage needed and how many batteries we'd need?

Any advice with solar would be great so we can compare costs. Thank you

-- 
Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
 Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] Trouble upgrading from 13.4 B7 to 13.4 Release

[Steve Utick]

I don't know, this is the same machine that I've been using for the past
two years updating things.   I was on a support session with Cambium today,
same machine I was using yesterday, same config and everything and it all
of a sudden worked.   Nothing changed...   :-|

But, at least that A/P is upgraded finally.   That was after all the end
game.



On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 12:15 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

>  You don't need the CNUT HTTP server if you're doing "AP as file server"
> for SM auto-update. CNUT opens an FTP session with the AP either for SM
> auto-update or to update the AP itself. I suspect Steve has something
> between his CNUT machine and the AP that won't update that's screwing up
> the FTP session. Maybe the AP or router/switch port is showing CRC/FCS
> errors? Some strange NAT or firewall rule somewhere?
>
> On 7/8/2015 7:38 AM, Wireless Admin wrote:
>
>  If you are using Dude on the same machine or any other program using
> port 80 kill that program before starting CNUT since it needs port 80.
> Verify CNUT is using the correct� IP address by going into update/http
> server configure. I know you said 13.4 firmware which rules out ePMP1000
> but that platform will not work if CNUT is behind NAT.�
>
> �
>
> Hope something above helps you.
>
> �
>
> Steve B.
>
> �
>  --
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Steve Utick
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2015 8:36 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Trouble upgrading from 13.4 B7 to 13.4 Release
>
> �
>
> I don't know, does the same thing on the A/P and any of the SM's attached
> to it.�� They all behave the exact same way.���
>
> �
>
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 6:33 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> We just did a bunch going from 13.4B10 -> 13.4 release. No problems. You
> may have a broken radio.
>
>
>  bp
>
> 
>
> �
>
>  On 7/7/2015 4:23 PM, Steve Utick wrote:
>
>  Won't let me downgrade to 13.1.3 either, just sits there transferring
> the file forever.�� Seems that once you put the "Beta" software on
> something, it's there for life�� :-|
>
> �
>
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 2:23 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>
> Reboot it? If that doesn't help, maybe try downgrading it to 13.1.3 then
> upgrade to 13.4?
>
>
>
> On 7/7/2015 3:15 PM, Steve Utick wrote:
>
> I've got a PMP100 A/P that's on 13.4 Beta 7 that I'm trying to upgrade to
> 13.4 Release. However, it seems to just hang on Transferring
> c40_fskboot.image to host. Posted on the Cambium Forums, but haven't gotten
> any answers there.� �Any ideas?
>
> Thanks.
>
> �
>
>   �
>
> �
>
> �
>
>
>

[AFMUG] Limelight Networks and TCP congestion control

[Ken Hohhof]

This has been discussed in previous threads, but I just got off a call with 
a customer where I was able to identify what content was being distributed 
via LLNW and causing problems.  Customer had bought a new Xbox and it was 
downloading game updates.  He was complaining that the game update seemed 
stuck getting to 100%, plus Internet on his other devices was painfully 
slow.


LLNW seems to aim for 50% packet loss.  I always seem to see almost exactly 
2X the customer's rate limit hitting our border router.  Of course this 
causes all traffic to that customer to experience random 50% packet loss, 
which few applications can tolerate.  It is also consuming our upstream and 
backhaul bandwidth beyond what the customer has subscribed to, since we do 
rate limiting at the tower router.


Other than getting a Procera box and setting up some kind of rule to catch 
this at the border (plus maybe a penalty for LLNW being such dicks), I don't 
know what to do about this, but it pisses me off. 

Re: [AFMUG] uap-ac big junk?

[TJ Trout]

i was just reading that there might be a known hardware flaw in early
revision uap-ac's? ubnt asked a tech review website to retest the uap after
sending him a new revision of hardware?

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 3:07 PM, James Craig  wrote:

> Hey TJ,
>
> Have you tried forcing WPA2-AES only for encryption (assuming not an open
> system) ?
>
> On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> and I mentioned someone that it worked great for (Yes, it was a TED
>> conference), so they can't all be garbage.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"TJ Trout" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, July 8, 2015 3:46:30 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] uap-ac big junk?
>>
>> the latest I think 3.2.1 or something like that. not near the controller
>> at the moment. google uap-ac slow and you will find plenty of people
>> talking about it. seems like it might be a limitation to a single client.
>> range is also really really poor. pretty disappointed.
>> On Jul 8, 2015 1:41 PM, "Matt Hardy"  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey TJ,
>>> This isn't a known issue... what software version are you using?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Matt
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 4:33 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>>>
 forums seem to confirm that no one has ever done better than 30 except
 with a Mac doing 3x3
 On Jul 8, 2015 1:32 PM, "TJ Trout"  wrote:

> flawless at 30mbps.
> On Jul 8, 2015 1:30 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
>> A friend of mine installed a couple in an old theater for a TED or
>> some other high-nerd level event. Performed flawlessly.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"TJ Trout" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, July 8, 2015 3:15:54 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] uap-ac big junk?
>>
>> just installed some unifi uap-ac s and they perform terrible. max
>> 30mbps when the label reads 1750 mbps, anyone else have similar results ?
>>
>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] uap-ac big junk?

[James Craig]

Hey TJ,

Have you tried forcing WPA2-AES only for encryption (assuming not an open
system) ?

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> and I mentioned someone that it worked great for (Yes, it was a TED
> conference), so they can't all be garbage.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"TJ Trout" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, July 8, 2015 3:46:30 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] uap-ac big junk?
>
> the latest I think 3.2.1 or something like that. not near the controller
> at the moment. google uap-ac slow and you will find plenty of people
> talking about it. seems like it might be a limitation to a single client.
> range is also really really poor. pretty disappointed.
> On Jul 8, 2015 1:41 PM, "Matt Hardy"  wrote:
>
>> Hey TJ,
>> This isn't a known issue... what software version are you using?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Matt
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 4:33 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>>
>>> forums seem to confirm that no one has ever done better than 30 except
>>> with a Mac doing 3x3
>>> On Jul 8, 2015 1:32 PM, "TJ Trout"  wrote:
>>>
 flawless at 30mbps.
 On Jul 8, 2015 1:30 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> A friend of mine installed a couple in an old theater for a TED or
> some other high-nerd level event. Performed flawlessly.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"TJ Trout" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, July 8, 2015 3:15:54 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] uap-ac big junk?
>
> just installed some unifi uap-ac s and they perform terrible. max
> 30mbps when the label reads 1750 mbps, anyone else have similar results ?
>
>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] uap-ac big junk?

[Mike Hammett]

and I mentioned someone that it worked great for (Yes, it was a TED 
conference), so they can't all be garbage. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "TJ Trout"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 3:46:30 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] uap-ac big junk? 


the latest I think 3.2.1 or something like that. not near the controller at the 
moment. google uap-ac slow and you will find plenty of people talking about it. 
seems like it might be a limitation to a single client. range is also really 
really poor. pretty disappointed. 
On Jul 8, 2015 1:41 PM, "Matt Hardy" < m...@ubnt.com > wrote: 



Hey TJ, 
This isn't a known issue... what software version are you using? 


Thanks, 
Matt 


On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 4:33 PM, TJ Trout < t...@voltbb.com > wrote: 



forums seem to confirm that no one has ever done better than 30 except with a 
Mac doing 3x3 


On Jul 8, 2015 1:32 PM, "TJ Trout" < t...@voltbb.com > wrote: 



flawless at 30mbps. 
On Jul 8, 2015 1:30 PM, "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




A friend of mine installed a couple in an old theater for a TED or some other 
high-nerd level event. Performed flawlessly. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



From: "TJ Trout" < t...@voltbb.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 3:15:54 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] uap-ac big junk? 


just installed some unifi uap-ac s and they perform terrible. max 30mbps when 
the label reads 1750 mbps, anyone else have similar results ? 

Re: [AFMUG] uap-ac big junk?

[Josh Luthman]

800 in 80 mhz on WiFi?  Maybe...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jul 8, 2015 4:44 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> They ran at least a few hundred megabit through it.
>
> Also, it's WiFi, cut that 1750 in half. That's also likely including 300
> or 450 of N in 2.4, so cut that out as well.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"TJ Trout" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, July 8, 2015 3:32:15 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] uap-ac big junk?
>
> flawless at 30mbps.
> On Jul 8, 2015 1:30 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
>> A friend of mine installed a couple in an old theater for a TED or some
>> other high-nerd level event. Performed flawlessly.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"TJ Trout" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, July 8, 2015 3:15:54 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] uap-ac big junk?
>>
>> just installed some unifi uap-ac s and they perform terrible. max 30mbps
>> when the label reads 1750 mbps, anyone else have similar results ?
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Sales Person Commission

[Hass, Douglas A.]

One point that I would add to this discussion is that with the changes in the 
federal regulations proposed by the DOL (read more here: 
http://www.wagehourinsights.com/exemptions/the-new-flsa-regulations-what-changed-what-didnt-whats-next-for-employers/),
 WISPs need to carefully evaluate whether their salespeople meet the exemption 
in FLSA Section 7(i) for commissioned sales employees.  To meet the 7(i) 
exemption, your salesperson must meet all of the following criteria:


  1.  The employee must be employed by a retail or service establishment (a 
WISP qualifies); and
  2.  The regular rate of pay must exceed 1.5 times the applicable minimum wage 
for every hour worked in a workweek; and
  3.  More than half of the employee's total earnings in a representative 
period must consist of commissions on goods or services.

Commissions need not be defined as X% of gross sales.  You can be a bit more 
creative and still meet the exemption.  There are some other quirks to this 
exemption, too, but make sure that you keep these basic requirements in mind at 
least when you are designing payment plans.  Not designing (and monitoring!) 
your plan carefully could mean that you could be stuck paying overtime to sales 
staff as non-exempt employees!

I am happy to take a look at any current or planned comp programs to share some 
ideas on how to structure these in a way that makes business sense and still 
works legally.

Doug


From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 
Darin Steffl
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 4:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com; memb...@wispa.org; Principal WISPA Member List
Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] Sales Person Commission

Just pinging members again after the holiday to see if any others have input on 
sales people. There has been some good feedback so far.

On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Darin Steffl 
mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>> wrote:
Hello all,

I was talking with another WISP on sales commission for a new rep they're 
hiring and one we're hoping to hire very soon.

We talked about a base salary plus commission based on what service they sell.

For base, we talked about minimum wage for base and commission was percentage 
based on the monthly recurring revenue.

For example, for a $500 a month dedicated connection on a 2 or 3 year contract, 
the sales person would earn $500 one-time commission on that service. For 
hosted PBX, the other WISP did a flat $40 per seat sold instead of 100% of the 
monthly value.

For those of you employing a sales person, what does your compensation plan 
look like and do you have any advice to make this program run smoothly. I hear 
many people say to hire two sales reps at the same time because they are 
competitive and more likely to meet their goals to earn a bonus.

Do you have the sales people dedicated just to sales or also business support 
as a point of contact? I feel like the sales person would expect additional 
compensation to support a customer after the sale has been made. What about 
renewing contracts after 2-3 years? Would they get commission again or not?

So many questions now that I'm thinking about it.

I hope to have a good discussion on this probably next week after the 4th of 
July celebrations :)

Just needed to get this off my mind and onto the list.

Have a great weekend guys!

--
Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
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Re: [AFMUG] uap-ac big junk?

[TJ Trout]

I thought I was doing something wrong until I found multiple forum posts
with the same problem. remove the uap from the router and can get full gig
speeds on that port, plug it back in and it negotiates at 1gbps, air rate
with different ac clients is max of 300 on 5 or 2.4 which should yeld 100+
but 30 is the max. tried all channels and widths and power combos.
On Jul 8, 2015 1:46 PM, "TJ Trout"  wrote:

> the latest I think 3.2.1 or something like that. not near the controller
> at the moment. google uap-ac slow and you will find plenty of people
> talking about it. seems like it might be a limitation to a single client.
> range is also really really poor. pretty disappointed.
> On Jul 8, 2015 1:41 PM, "Matt Hardy"  wrote:
>
>> Hey TJ,
>> This isn't a known issue... what software version are you using?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Matt
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 4:33 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>>
>>> forums seem to confirm that no one has ever done better than 30 except
>>> with a Mac doing 3x3
>>> On Jul 8, 2015 1:32 PM, "TJ Trout"  wrote:
>>>
 flawless at 30mbps.
 On Jul 8, 2015 1:30 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> A friend of mine installed a couple in an old theater for a TED or
> some other high-nerd level event. Performed flawlessly.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"TJ Trout" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, July 8, 2015 3:15:54 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] uap-ac big junk?
>
> just installed some unifi uap-ac s and they perform terrible. max
> 30mbps when the label reads 1750 mbps, anyone else have similar results ?
>
>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Sales Person Commission

[Darin Steffl]

Just pinging members again after the holiday to see if any others have
input on sales people. There has been some good feedback so far.

On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Darin Steffl 
wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I was talking with another WISP on sales commission for a new rep they're
> hiring and one we're hoping to hire very soon.
>
> We talked about a base salary plus commission based on what service they
> sell.
>
> For base, we talked about minimum wage for base and commission was
> percentage based on the monthly recurring revenue.
>
> For example, for a $500 a month dedicated connection on a 2 or 3 year
> contract, the sales person would earn $500 one-time commission on that
> service. For hosted PBX, the other WISP did a flat $40 per seat sold
> instead of 100% of the monthly value.
>
> For those of you employing a sales person, what does your compensation
> plan look like and do you have any advice to make this program run
> smoothly. I hear many people say to hire two sales reps at the same time
> because they are competitive and more likely to meet their goals to earn a
> bonus.
>
> Do you have the sales people dedicated just to sales or also business
> support as a point of contact? I feel like the sales person would expect
> additional compensation to support a customer after the sale has been made.
> What about renewing contracts after 2-3 years? Would they get commission
> again or not?
>
> So many questions now that I'm thinking about it.
>
> I hope to have a good discussion on this probably next week after the 4th
> of July celebrations :)
>
> Just needed to get this off my mind and onto the list.
>
> Have a great weekend guys!
>
> --
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com
> 507-634-WiFi
>  Like us on Facebook
> 
>



-- 
Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
 Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] uap-ac big junk?

[TJ Trout]

the latest I think 3.2.1 or something like that. not near the controller at
the moment. google uap-ac slow and you will find plenty of people talking
about it. seems like it might be a limitation to a single client. range is
also really really poor. pretty disappointed.
On Jul 8, 2015 1:41 PM, "Matt Hardy"  wrote:

> Hey TJ,
> This isn't a known issue... what software version are you using?
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
>
> On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 4:33 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> forums seem to confirm that no one has ever done better than 30 except
>> with a Mac doing 3x3
>> On Jul 8, 2015 1:32 PM, "TJ Trout"  wrote:
>>
>>> flawless at 30mbps.
>>> On Jul 8, 2015 1:30 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>>
 A friend of mine installed a couple in an old theater for a TED or some
 other high-nerd level event. Performed flawlessly.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *"TJ Trout" 
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Wednesday, July 8, 2015 3:15:54 PM
 *Subject: *[AFMUG] uap-ac big junk?

 just installed some unifi uap-ac s and they perform terrible. max
 30mbps when the label reads 1750 mbps, anyone else have similar results ?


>

Re: [AFMUG] uap-ac big junk?

[Mike Hammett]

I avoid their forums unless I have to. Too many morons and fanboys. 

Now that said, I haven't heard of this 30 megabit limitation. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "TJ Trout"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 3:33:01 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] uap-ac big junk? 


forums seem to confirm that no one has ever done better than 30 except with a 
Mac doing 3x3 
On Jul 8, 2015 1:32 PM, "TJ Trout" < t...@voltbb.com > wrote: 



flawless at 30mbps. 
On Jul 8, 2015 1:30 PM, "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




A friend of mine installed a couple in an old theater for a TED or some other 
high-nerd level event. Performed flawlessly. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



From: "TJ Trout" < t...@voltbb.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 3:15:54 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] uap-ac big junk? 


just installed some unifi uap-ac s and they perform terrible. max 30mbps when 
the label reads 1750 mbps, anyone else have similar results ? 

Re: [AFMUG] uap-ac big junk?

[Mike Hammett]

They ran at least a few hundred megabit through it. 

Also, it's WiFi, cut that 1750 in half. That's also likely including 300 or 450 
of N in 2.4, so cut that out as well. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "TJ Trout"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 3:32:15 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] uap-ac big junk? 


flawless at 30mbps. 
On Jul 8, 2015 1:30 PM, "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




A friend of mine installed a couple in an old theater for a TED or some other 
high-nerd level event. Performed flawlessly. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



From: "TJ Trout" < t...@voltbb.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 3:15:54 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] uap-ac big junk? 


just installed some unifi uap-ac s and they perform terrible. max 30mbps when 
the label reads 1750 mbps, anyone else have similar results ? 

Re: [AFMUG] uap-ac big junk?

[Matt Hardy]

Hey TJ,
This isn't a known issue... what software version are you using?

Thanks,
Matt

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 4:33 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> forums seem to confirm that no one has ever done better than 30 except
> with a Mac doing 3x3
> On Jul 8, 2015 1:32 PM, "TJ Trout"  wrote:
>
>> flawless at 30mbps.
>> On Jul 8, 2015 1:30 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>
>>> A friend of mine installed a couple in an old theater for a TED or some
>>> other high-nerd level event. Performed flawlessly.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"TJ Trout" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, July 8, 2015 3:15:54 PM
>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] uap-ac big junk?
>>>
>>> just installed some unifi uap-ac s and they perform terrible. max 30mbps
>>> when the label reads 1750 mbps, anyone else have similar results ?
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] uap-ac big junk?

[TJ Trout]

forums seem to confirm that no one has ever done better than 30 except with
a Mac doing 3x3
On Jul 8, 2015 1:32 PM, "TJ Trout"  wrote:

> flawless at 30mbps.
> On Jul 8, 2015 1:30 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
>> A friend of mine installed a couple in an old theater for a TED or some
>> other high-nerd level event. Performed flawlessly.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"TJ Trout" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, July 8, 2015 3:15:54 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] uap-ac big junk?
>>
>> just installed some unifi uap-ac s and they perform terrible. max 30mbps
>> when the label reads 1750 mbps, anyone else have similar results ?
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] uap-ac big junk?

[TJ Trout]

flawless at 30mbps.
On Jul 8, 2015 1:30 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> A friend of mine installed a couple in an old theater for a TED or some
> other high-nerd level event. Performed flawlessly.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"TJ Trout" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, July 8, 2015 3:15:54 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] uap-ac big junk?
>
> just installed some unifi uap-ac s and they perform terrible. max 30mbps
> when the label reads 1750 mbps, anyone else have similar results ?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] uap-ac big junk?

[Mike Hammett]

A friend of mine installed a couple in an old theater for a TED or some other 
high-nerd level event. Performed flawlessly. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "TJ Trout"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 3:15:54 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] uap-ac big junk? 


just installed some unifi uap-ac s and they perform terrible. max 30mbps when 
the label reads 1750 mbps, anyone else have similar results ? 

Re: [AFMUG] uap-ac big junk?

[Josh Luthman]

Is this the indoor panel looking unit?  Make sure you set medium or full tx
power.  Auto tx power seems to be broken (at least for me).


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 4:18 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> nope, did a sa all clean. tried every channel and width. have a 9 year old
> tplink that gives more bandwidth.
> On Jul 8, 2015 1:16 PM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:
>
>> Noise?
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 8, 2015, TJ Trout  wrote:
>>
>>> just installed some unifi uap-ac s and they perform terrible. max 30mbps
>>> when the label reads 1750 mbps, anyone else have similar results ?
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] uap-ac big junk?

[TJ Trout]

nope, did a sa all clean. tried every channel and width. have a 9 year old
tplink that gives more bandwidth.
On Jul 8, 2015 1:16 PM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:

> Noise?
>
> On Wednesday, July 8, 2015, TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> just installed some unifi uap-ac s and they perform terrible. max 30mbps
>> when the label reads 1750 mbps, anyone else have similar results ?
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] uap-ac big junk?

[Sean Heskett]

Noise?

On Wednesday, July 8, 2015, TJ Trout  wrote:

> just installed some unifi uap-ac s and they perform terrible. max 30mbps
> when the label reads 1750 mbps, anyone else have similar results ?
>

[AFMUG] uap-ac big junk?

[TJ Trout]

just installed some unifi uap-ac s and they perform terrible. max 30mbps
when the label reads 1750 mbps, anyone else have similar results ?

Re: [AFMUG] Non Pen roof mounts? Where do you guys get them?

[Randy Cosby]

bairdmounts.com for anything heavier than a single SM.  Good prices, 
great quality.




On 7/8/2015 11:07 AM, Jeremy wrote:

Skywalker sells them for cheap.

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Ken Hohhof > wrote:


Nello from places like Tessco.
If you want a small one with a 1.66” pipe, I have used these:
http://www.aisatellite.com/files/product/pdf/NPR-18C3.pdf
I’m not sure I’d put a dish on it in a high wind area.
*From:* Sam Lambie 
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2015 2:23 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Non Pen roof mounts? Where do you guys get them?
I have to use 10 of them for an upcoming project. Usually I make
them my self as they aren't in high demand. This is for Cambium or
UBNT radios with a dish and four cinderblocks.

-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*

Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598  Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] 2.5Ghz Gear

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

LOL, now that's funny!

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Jul 8, 2015, at 3:24 PM, Patrick Leary  wrote:
> 
> That would be "leery."
> 
> Patrick Leary, Telrad
> On Jul 8, 2015 2:07 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:
> Interesting.. so I hear that Huawei makes stuff too but I’m leary of them… 
> will check out Telrad though for sure…
>  
> Thanks,
> Paul
>  
>  
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary
> Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 12:46 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2.5Ghz Gear
>  
> Looking at one such base station here in Puerto Rico as we speak. It installs 
> later today.
>  
> Patrick Leary, Telrad
> On Jul 8, 2015 12:33 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> Telrad.
> 
>  
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>  
> On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:
> Hey folks…
>  
> Who’s making 2.5Ghz gear these days for multipoint? 
>  
> Thanks,
> Paul
>  
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] 2.5Ghz Gear

[Patrick Leary]

That would be "leery."

Patrick Leary, Telrad
On Jul 8, 2015 2:07 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:
Interesting.. so I hear that Huawei makes stuff too but I’m leary of them… will 
check out Telrad though for sure…

Thanks,
Paul



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 12:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2.5Ghz Gear

Looking at one such base station here in Puerto Rico as we speak. It installs 
later today.

Patrick Leary, Telrad
On Jul 8, 2015 12:33 PM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Telrad.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Paul Stewart 
mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>> wrote:
Hey folks…

Who’s making 2.5Ghz gear these days for multipoint?

Thanks,
Paul







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Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

[Ken Hohhof]

Yeah, I have a site with a 450 Full (built before the Lites existed) and one of 
those omnis, and a total of 6 subs.  And of course they are in all different 
directions so it would take a full set of sectors.

Hard to justify 4 Lite APs and sectors.  But the omni is only good for about 3 
miles if you’re lucky.  Less when the top blows off, and the rain and hornets 
get inside.


From: George Skorup 
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 1:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

+1 The L-com/KP/WB has quite a bit of variation, especially the horizontal. We 
messed with one, turned it +/- 90 degrees and found a sweet spot where the V & 
H was nearly identical and left it facing the majority of the customers (450). 
The vertical would vary maybe 1-2dB while the horizontal was more like 4-5dB. 
And now with the 450 Lite APs, there's really no reason to do an omni. Well, I 
suppose if the site will never have more than a handful of customers.


On 7/8/2015 1:10 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  Alpha might be better but AFAIK only makes 2.5 and 3.5 GHz.

  My experience with KPP and L-Com which are apparently from the same source as 
Chuck’s has been the performance is mediocre at best.  The gain doesn’t seem 
like it is really 13 dBi, the azimuth pattern is quite lumpy, and the V/H ratio 
will be all over the map.  Also I had the top cap blow off one of them in a 
storm.

  The published patterns for the UBNT omni will scare you off, they are very 
ugly, but maybe they are just being more honest than the competition.


  From: Mathew Howard 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 12:06 PM
  To: af 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

  I think I've actual only seen three different kinds of dual polarity omnis.


  UBNT and Arc are the only ones that seem to be different. The ones like Chuck 
sells seem the best, UBNT are second and Arc are complete trash.


  On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Colin Stanners  wrote:

Is it just me or are a number of the higher - quality WISP antenna 
manufacturers loving the KBT omnis?

On Jul 8, 2015 10:06 AM,  wrote:

  Same parts  same source in China...

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2015 6:46 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

  That link shows plots that sure look like 0 degrees.  Identical to L-Com 
part?  Same plots.

  From: TJ Trout 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 7:14 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

  2* is my guess

  On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Matt  wrote:

http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=81&Cat=

Does this antenna have down tilt?

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT

[Mike Hammett]

NLayer, TINet or one of their other acquisitions? ;-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Paul Stewart"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 1:07:57 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT 



As in GTT – IP Transit provider? 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway 
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 1:47 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT 

I was told they are pulling out of Tucson. 

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO 
4226 S. 37 th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040 
602-426-0542 
r...@triadwireless.net 
www.triadwireless.net 

“Nothing can bring you peace but yourself. Nothing can bring you peace but the 
triumph of principles.” – Ralph Waldo Emerson 

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

[George Skorup]

+1 The L-com/KP/WB has quite a bit of variation, especially the 
horizontal. We messed with one, turned it +/- 90 degrees and found a 
sweet spot where the V & H was nearly identical and left it facing the 
majority of the customers (450). The vertical would vary maybe 1-2dB 
while the horizontal was more like 4-5dB. And now with the 450 Lite APs, 
there's really no reason to do an omni. Well, I suppose if the site will 
never have more than a handful of customers.


On 7/8/2015 1:10 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Alpha might be better but AFAIK only makes 2.5 and 3.5 GHz.
My experience with KPP and L-Com which are apparently from the same 
source as Chuck’s has been the performance is mediocre at best.  The 
gain doesn’t seem like it is really 13 dBi, the azimuth pattern is 
quite lumpy, and the V/H ratio will be all over the map.  Also I had 
the top cap blow off one of them in a storm.
The published patterns for the UBNT omni will scare you off, they are 
very ugly, but maybe they are just being more honest than the competition.

*From:* Mathew Howard 
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 08, 2015 12:06 PM
*To:* af 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni
I think I've actual only seen three different kinds of dual polarity 
omnis.


UBNT and Arc are the only ones that seem to be different. The ones 
like Chuck sells seem the best, UBNT are second and Arc are complete 
trash.
On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Colin Stanners > wrote:


Is it just me or are a number of the higher - quality WISP antenna
manufacturers loving the KBT omnis?

On Jul 8, 2015 10:06 AM, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Same parts  same source in China...
*From:* Ken Hohhof 
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 7, 2015 6:46 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni
That link shows plots that sure look like 0 degrees. Identical
to L-Com part?  Same plots.
*From:* TJ Trout 
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2015 7:14 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni
2* is my guess
On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Matt
mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>> wrote:

http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=81&Cat=

Does this antenna have down tilt?

[AFMUG] Verizon DSL for Resale?

[Christopher Gray]

Is there a Verizon DSL product that can be used for ISP bandwidth?

I'm using fiber for my main service, but I do not have a second provider.
Verizon DSL is the only other option for service nearby. I'm thinking about
getting a DSL service at a few sites for failover if it can be done.

Thanks, Chris

Re: [AFMUG] 2.5Ghz Gear

[Josh Luthman]

And people call me the grammar nazi!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 2:18 PM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> I think your are confused between "making something" and "inventing
> something". Or maybe "originating something". China makes lots of stuff,
> they just don't come up with much of it.
>
> On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> I don't think Huawei makes anything, do they?   Pretty sure they just
>> copy another manufacturer's product that's built next door.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Paul Stewart 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting.. so I hear that Huawei makes stuff too but I’m leary of
>>> them… will check out Telrad though for sure…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Patrick Leary
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 8, 2015 12:46 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 2.5Ghz Gear
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Looking at one such base station here in Puerto Rico as we speak. It
>>> installs later today.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Patrick Leary, Telrad
>>>
>>> On Jul 8, 2015 12:33 PM, Josh Luthman 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Telrad.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Paul Stewart 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey folks…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Who’s making 2.5Ghz gear these days for multipoint?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by
>>> PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals &
>>> computer viruses.
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by
>>> PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals &
>>> computer viruses.
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Lewis Bergman
> 325-439-0533 Cell
>

Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?

[Christopher Gray]

Right now, I'm not installing any of my own fiber. All new expansion is
wireless.

They do not plan on allowing anyone other than the owner to use the
network. I'm pushing for other options, but it seems unlikely they will
open it.

Once they are closer to lighting their service, I plan to make at least one
offering that matches theirs for speed and price. It sounds like it will be
possible to retain customers, but not to expect many. I do need some of the
sites to expand into areas that will not be getting fiber, so I might as
well cover some new customers along the way.

-Chris


On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

>  Ahh, I was thinking deploy wireless first before the fiber.  I could
> care less if they brought the fiber in later.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 8, 2015 9:54 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?
>
>
>
> Let someone else do the fiber.  First.
>
>
>
> *From:* Rory Conaway 
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 8, 2015 10:34 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?
>
>
>
> Did I misunderstand the goal?  Was the question to put fiber in first or
> put in wireless first?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 8, 2015 9:28 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?
>
>
>
> Second mover advantage with fiber, not RF.  Let the muni experiment falter
> then come in and mop up.
>
>
>
> *From:* Rory Conaway 
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 8, 2015 10:12 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?
>
>
>
> Can you be more specific?  Right now you have 802.11ac with nothing coming
> behind it in the same price category.  You have different flavors of
> 802.11ac technologies but the fundamentals are the same.  I don’t believe
> being second to fiber is a good move.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 8, 2015 8:07 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?
>
>
>
> Second mover advantage really works out well with emerging technologies.
>
>
>
> *From:* Rory Conaway 
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 8, 2015 12:04 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?
>
>
>
> I completely disagree with my esteemed colleague, Mr. Webster.  Being
> second to the game is like trying to ask a girl to the prom who has already
> been asked.  If you snooze, you lose.  If you get the customers first,
> especially if you get 2 year contracts, they will have a lot harder time
> displacing you.  You are in a better position if you already have customers
> and revenue in place when they fail.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *David Milholen
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 7, 2015 7:24 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?
>
>
>
> +1
> they will try so hard just not to keep it going. Once they go over the
> tipping point of going out to peoples homes to hook up grandmas laptop or
> keep their ipad connected.
>
> On 7/7/2015 7:03 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
>  100% agree with Brian. This seems to be the path for about 99% of the
> Muni WISPS out there. Keep your eye on it, get to the know the staff. When
> the pain seems to get to much for them to bear offer to step in.
>
>
>
> The only thing you will have to deal with is the customers who think you
> should charge, or give for free, with the same structure a tax funded
> entity couldn't make work. That won't matter since those socialists can't
> understand logic there is no use explaining it to them.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 10:06 PM, Brian Webster 
> wrote:
>
> My suggestion would be to just wait it out. Let them build it and lose
> money. Eventually they will realize that they have no idea how to be an
> ISP, the customers will not deal with slow government response times to
> complaints, and the government will hate dealing with title II issues and
> open internet regulations. They will throw their hands up and offer it via
> bid or something else to a private company to manage/own/run. You might be
> able to pick it up for far less than it would have cost you to build. I
> certainly would not try to overbuild them before they get going. The
> average consumer has already heard about their promised prices, you will be
> fighting that even though they have not even started building yet.
>
>
>
> Do a search for the UC2B project in Illinois, it was a
> municipal/university system built with stimulus funds. They did what they
> needed to meet grant obligations, then they all argued among the partners
> about who and how they would run things and failed at that. 

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

[Mathew Howard]

Compared to the Arc, that lumpy pattern is really, really nice... I think
most sectors are closer to 360 degrees.

I think the pattern on the UBNT omni is really pretty close to the
KPP/L-Com/WB, but those seem to be built a bit better, and Chuck's ePMP
integration is pretty nice.

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

>   Alpha might be better but AFAIK only makes 2.5 and 3.5 GHz.
>
> My experience with KPP and L-Com which are apparently from the same source
> as Chuck’s has been the performance is mediocre at best.  The gain doesn’t
> seem like it is really 13 dBi, the azimuth pattern is quite lumpy, and the
> V/H ratio will be all over the map.  Also I had the top cap blow off one of
> them in a storm.
>
> The published patterns for the UBNT omni will scare you off, they are very
> ugly, but maybe they are just being more honest than the competition.
>
>
>  *From:* Mathew Howard 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 08, 2015 12:06 PM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni
>
>  I think I've actual only seen three different kinds of dual polarity
> omnis.
>
> UBNT and Arc are the only ones that seem to be different. The ones like
> Chuck sells seem the best, UBNT are second and Arc are complete trash.
>
> On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Colin Stanners 
> wrote:
>
>> Is it just me or are a number of the higher - quality WISP antenna
>> manufacturers loving the KBT omnis?
>>  On Jul 8, 2015 10:06 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>>   Same parts  same source in China...
>>>
>>>  *From:* Ken Hohhof 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 7, 2015 6:46 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni
>>>
>>>   That link shows plots that sure look like 0 degrees.  Identical to
>>> L-Com part?  Same plots.
>>>
>>>  *From:* TJ Trout 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2015 7:14 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni
>>>
>>>  2* is my guess
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Matt 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=81&Cat=

 Does this antenna have down tilt?

>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 2.5Ghz Gear

[Lewis Bergman]

I think your are confused between "making something" and "inventing
something". Or maybe "originating something". China makes lots of stuff,
they just don't come up with much of it.

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> I don't think Huawei makes anything, do they?   Pretty sure they just copy
> another manufacturer's product that's built next door.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:
>
>> Interesting.. so I hear that Huawei makes stuff too but I’m leary of
>> them… will check out Telrad though for sure…
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Patrick Leary
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 8, 2015 12:46 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 2.5Ghz Gear
>>
>>
>>
>> Looking at one such base station here in Puerto Rico as we speak. It
>> installs later today.
>>
>>
>>
>> Patrick Leary, Telrad
>>
>> On Jul 8, 2015 12:33 PM, Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Telrad.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Paul Stewart 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hey folks…
>>
>>
>>
>> Who’s making 2.5Ghz gear these days for multipoint?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by
>> PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals &
>> computer viruses.
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
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>> PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals &
>> computer viruses.
>>
>> 
>>
>
>


-- 
Lewis Bergman
325-439-0533 Cell

Re: [AFMUG] 2.5Ghz Gear

[Paul Stewart]

Well they are definitely known for copying others … don’t know much about their 
wireless stuff though…

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 2:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2.5Ghz Gear

 

I don't think Huawei makes anything, do they?   Pretty sure they just copy 
another manufacturer's product that's built next door.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > wrote:

Interesting.. so I hear that Huawei makes stuff too but I’m leary of them… will 
check out Telrad though for sure…

 

Thanks,

Paul

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 12:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2.5Ghz Gear

 

Looking at one such base station here in Puerto Rico as we speak. It installs 
later today.

 

Patrick Leary, Telrad

On Jul 8, 2015 12:33 PM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

Telrad.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > wrote:

Hey folks…

 

Who’s making 2.5Ghz gear these days for multipoint?  

 

Thanks,

Paul

 

 

 





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Re: [AFMUG] Trouble upgrading from 13.4 B7 to 13.4 Release

[George Skorup]

You don't need the CNUT HTTP server if you're doing "AP as file server" 
for SM auto-update. CNUT opens an FTP session with the AP either for SM 
auto-update or to update the AP itself. I suspect Steve has something 
between his CNUT machine and the AP that won't update that's screwing up 
the FTP session. Maybe the AP or router/switch port is showing CRC/FCS 
errors? Some strange NAT or firewall rule somewhere?


On 7/8/2015 7:38 AM, Wireless Admin wrote:


If you are using Dude on the same machine or any other program using 
port 80 kill that program before starting CNUT since it needs port 80. 
Verify CNUT is using the correct  IP address by going into update/http 
server configure. I know you said 13.4 firmware which rules out 
ePMP1000 but that platform will not work if CNUT is behind NAT.


Hope something above helps you.

Steve B.



*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Utick
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2015 8:36 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Trouble upgrading from 13.4 B7 to 13.4 Release

I don't know, does the same thing on the A/P and any of the SM's 
attached to it.   They all behave the exact same way.


On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 6:33 PM, Bill Prince > wrote:


We just did a bunch going from 13.4B10 -> 13.4 release. No problems. 
You may have a broken radio.



bp


On 7/7/2015 4:23 PM, Steve Utick wrote:

Won't let me downgrade to 13.1.3 either, just sits there transferring 
the file forever.   Seems that once you put the "Beta" software on 
something, it's there for life   :-|


On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 2:23 PM, George Skorup > wrote:


Reboot it? If that doesn't help, maybe try downgrading it to
13.1.3 then upgrade to 13.4?



On 7/7/2015 3:15 PM, Steve Utick wrote:

I've got a PMP100 A/P that's on 13.4 Beta 7 that I'm trying to
upgrade to 13.4 Release. However, it seems to just hang on
Transferring c40_fskboot.image to host. Posted on the Cambium
Forums, but haven't gotten any answers there.   Any ideas?

Thanks.

Re: [AFMUG] 2.5Ghz Gear

[Josh Luthman]

I don't think Huawei makes anything, do they?   Pretty sure they just copy
another manufacturer's product that's built next door.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

> Interesting.. so I hear that Huawei makes stuff too but I’m leary of them…
> will check out Telrad though for sure…
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Patrick Leary
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 8, 2015 12:46 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 2.5Ghz Gear
>
>
>
> Looking at one such base station here in Puerto Rico as we speak. It
> installs later today.
>
>
>
> Patrick Leary, Telrad
>
> On Jul 8, 2015 12:33 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
>
> Telrad.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Paul Stewart 
> wrote:
>
> Hey folks…
>
>
>
> Who’s making 2.5Ghz gear these days for multipoint?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
> This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by
> PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer
> viruses.
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
> This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by
> PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer
> viruses.
>
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

[Ken Hohhof]

Alpha might be better but AFAIK only makes 2.5 and 3.5 GHz.

My experience with KPP and L-Com which are apparently from the same source as 
Chuck’s has been the performance is mediocre at best.  The gain doesn’t seem 
like it is really 13 dBi, the azimuth pattern is quite lumpy, and the V/H ratio 
will be all over the map.  Also I had the top cap blow off one of them in a 
storm.

The published patterns for the UBNT omni will scare you off, they are very 
ugly, but maybe they are just being more honest than the competition.


From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 12:06 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

I think I've actual only seen three different kinds of dual polarity omnis.


UBNT and Arc are the only ones that seem to be different. The ones like Chuck 
sells seem the best, UBNT are second and Arc are complete trash.


On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Colin Stanners  wrote:

  Is it just me or are a number of the higher - quality WISP antenna 
manufacturers loving the KBT omnis?

  On Jul 8, 2015 10:06 AM,  wrote:

Same parts  same source in China...

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2015 6:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

That link shows plots that sure look like 0 degrees.  Identical to L-Com 
part?  Same plots.

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 7:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

2* is my guess

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Matt  wrote:

  http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=81&Cat=

  Does this antenna have down tilt?

Re: [AFMUG] 2.5Ghz Gear

[Paul Stewart]

Interesting.. so I hear that Huawei makes stuff too but I'm leary of them.
will check out Telrad though for sure.

 

Thanks,

Paul

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 12:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2.5Ghz Gear

 

Looking at one such base station here in Puerto Rico as we speak. It
installs later today.

 

Patrick Leary, Telrad

On Jul 8, 2015 12:33 PM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

Telrad.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > wrote:

Hey folks.

 

Who's making 2.5Ghz gear these days for multipoint?  

 

Thanks,

Paul

 

 

 






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Re: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT

[Paul Stewart]

As in GTT - IP Transit provider?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 1:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT

 

I was told they are pulling out of Tucson.

 

Rory Conaway . Triad Wireless . CEO

4226 S. 37th Street . Phoenix . AZ 85040

602-426-0542

r...@triadwireless.net  

www.triadwireless.net  

 

"Nothing can bring you peace but yourself. Nothing can bring you peace but
the triumph of principles." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

 

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

[chuck]

They all come from the same place.
The only thing we offer is a very nice integrated mechanical option for the 
ePMP 450
Very clean integration.

From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 11:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

I haven’t seen chuck’s but we have a lot of the UBNT ones up.  They work well.  
The only problem we have had is the caps coming off and the screws coming off 
between the mount and the antenna.  Have to locktite those and add silicon 
around the cap..

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 10:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

 

Secret.

On Jul 8, 2015 11:57 AM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

What's KBT?




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Colin Stanners  wrote:

Is it just me or are a number of the higher - quality WISP antenna 
manufacturers loving the KBT omnis?

On Jul 8, 2015 10:06 AM,  wrote:

Same parts  same source in China...

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2015 6:46 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

 

That link shows plots that sure look like 0 degrees.  Identical to L-Com part?  
Same plots.

 

From: TJ Trout 

Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 7:14 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

 

2* is my guess

 

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Matt  wrote:

http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=81&Cat=

Does this antenna have down tilt?

 

 

[AFMUG] Anyone heard of GTT

[Rory Conaway]

I was told they are pulling out of Tucson.

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"Nothing can bring you peace but yourself. Nothing can bring you peace but the 
triumph of principles." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

[Rory Conaway]

I haven’t seen chuck’s but we have a lot of the UBNT ones up.  They work well.  
The only problem we have had is the caps coming off and the screws coming off 
between the mount and the antenna.  Have to locktite those and add silicon 
around the cap..

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 10:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni


Secret.
On Jul 8, 2015 11:57 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
What's KBT?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Colin Stanners 
mailto:cstann...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Is it just me or are a number of the higher - quality WISP antenna 
manufacturers loving the KBT omnis?
On Jul 8, 2015 10:06 AM, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Same parts  same source in China...

From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2015 6:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

That link shows plots that sure look like 0 degrees.  Identical to L-Com part?  
Same plots.

From: TJ Trout
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 7:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

2* is my guess

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Matt 
mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>> wrote:
http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=81&Cat=

Does this antenna have down tilt?

Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?

[Rory Conaway]

Ahh, I was thinking deploy wireless first before the fiber.  I could care less 
if they brought the fiber in later.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 9:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?

Let someone else do the fiber.  First.

From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 10:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?

Did I misunderstand the goal?  Was the question to put fiber in first or put in 
wireless first?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 9:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?

Second mover advantage with fiber, not RF.  Let the muni experiment falter then 
come in and mop up.

From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 10:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?

Can you be more specific?  Right now you have 802.11ac with nothing coming 
behind it in the same price category.  You have different flavors of 802.11ac 
technologies but the fundamentals are the same.  I don’t believe being second 
to fiber is a good move.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 8:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?

Second mover advantage really works out well with emerging technologies.

From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 12:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?

I completely disagree with my esteemed colleague, Mr. Webster.  Being second to 
the game is like trying to ask a girl to the prom who has already been asked.  
If you snooze, you lose.  If you get the customers first, especially if you get 
2 year contracts, they will have a lot harder time displacing you.  You are in 
a better position if you already have customers and revenue in place when they 
fail.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David Milholen
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2015 7:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?

+1
they will try so hard just not to keep it going. Once they go over the tipping 
point of going out to peoples homes to hook up grandmas laptop or keep their 
ipad connected.
On 7/7/2015 7:03 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
100% agree with Brian. This seems to be the path for about 99% of the Muni 
WISPS out there. Keep your eye on it, get to the know the staff. When the pain 
seems to get to much for them to bear offer to step in.

The only thing you will have to deal with is the customers who think you should 
charge, or give for free, with the same structure a tax funded entity couldn't 
make work. That won't matter since those socialists can't understand logic 
there is no use explaining it to them.

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 10:06 PM, Brian Webster 
mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com>> wrote:
My suggestion would be to just wait it out. Let them build it and lose money. 
Eventually they will realize that they have no idea how to be an ISP, the 
customers will not deal with slow government response times to complaints, and 
the government will hate dealing with title II issues and open internet 
regulations. They will throw their hands up and offer it via bid or something 
else to a private company to manage/own/run. You might be able to pick it up 
for far less than it would have cost you to build. I certainly would not try to 
overbuild them before they get going. The average consumer has already heard 
about their promised prices, you will be fighting that even though they have 
not even started building yet.

Do a search for the UC2B project in Illinois, it was a municipal/university 
system built with stimulus funds. They did what they needed to meet grant 
obligations, then they all argued among the partners about who and how they 
would run things and failed at that. They finally let a private company take 
over and expand the system.

Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 8:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?


Assuming you didn't have to recoup build costs, I don't see how it would be 
hard to run the network at $50 per sub.  Bandwidth is dirt cheep at scale and 
there isn't much to go wrong with a fiber plant.

On Jul 6, 2015, at 3:10 PM

Re: [AFMUG] Non Pen roof mounts? Where do you guys get them?

[Jeremy]

Skywalker sells them for cheap.

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

>   Nello from places like Tessco.
>
> If you want a small one with a 1.66” pipe, I have used these:
> http://www.aisatellite.com/files/product/pdf/NPR-18C3.pdf
>
> I’m not sure I’d put a dish on it in a high wind area.
>
>
>  *From:* Sam Lambie 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2015 2:23 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Non Pen roof mounts? Where do you guys get them?
>
>  I have to use 10 of them for an upcoming project. Usually I make them my
> self as they aren't in high demand. This is for Cambium or UBNT radios with
> a dish and four cinderblocks.
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

[Mathew Howard]

I think I've actual only seen three different kinds of dual polarity omnis.

UBNT and Arc are the only ones that seem to be different. The ones like
Chuck sells seem the best, UBNT are second and Arc are complete trash.

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Colin Stanners  wrote:

> Is it just me or are a number of the higher - quality WISP antenna
> manufacturers loving the KBT omnis?
> On Jul 8, 2015 10:06 AM,  wrote:
>
>>   Same parts  same source in China...
>>
>>  *From:* Ken Hohhof 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 7, 2015 6:46 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni
>>
>>   That link shows plots that sure look like 0 degrees.  Identical to
>> L-Com part?  Same plots.
>>
>>  *From:* TJ Trout 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2015 7:14 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni
>>
>>  2* is my guess
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Matt  wrote:
>>
>>> http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=81&Cat=
>>>
>>> Does this antenna have down tilt?
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

[Colin Stanners]

Secret.
On Jul 8, 2015 11:57 AM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

> What's KBT?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Colin Stanners 
> wrote:
>
>> Is it just me or are a number of the higher - quality WISP antenna
>> manufacturers loving the KBT omnis?
>> On Jul 8, 2015 10:06 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>>   Same parts  same source in China...
>>>
>>>  *From:* Ken Hohhof 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 7, 2015 6:46 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni
>>>
>>>   That link shows plots that sure look like 0 degrees.  Identical to
>>> L-Com part?  Same plots.
>>>
>>>  *From:* TJ Trout 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2015 7:14 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni
>>>
>>>  2* is my guess
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Matt 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=81&Cat=

 Does this antenna have down tilt?

>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] WTB: Powercode BMU GX226

[Josh Luthman]

I know someone that is still looking as well.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 1:02 PM, Jeremy  wrote:

> I would like a backup BMU to have on hand but don't exactly want to spend
> $3K on a GX446 just to sit on my shelf.  Does anyone have a used BMU that
> they'd like to sell?  I want a GX226 at minimum.  I know it is a long shot,
> but I figure it can't hurt to try the list before I drop three grand on a
> backup BMU.
>

[AFMUG] WTB: Powercode BMU GX226

[Jeremy]

I would like a backup BMU to have on hand but don't exactly want to spend
$3K on a GX446 just to sit on my shelf.  Does anyone have a used BMU that
they'd like to sell?  I want a GX226 at minimum.  I know it is a long shot,
but I figure it can't hurt to try the list before I drop three grand on a
backup BMU.

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

[chuck]

Everyone seems to be buying from  the same source.

From: Colin Stanners 
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 10:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

Is it just me or are a number of the higher - quality WISP antenna 
manufacturers loving the KBT omnis?

On Jul 8, 2015 10:06 AM,  wrote:

  Same parts  same source in China...

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2015 6:46 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

  That link shows plots that sure look like 0 degrees.  Identical to L-Com 
part?  Same plots.

  From: TJ Trout 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 7:14 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

  2* is my guess

  On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Matt  wrote:

http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=81&Cat=

Does this antenna have down tilt?

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

[Josh Luthman]

What's KBT?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Colin Stanners  wrote:

> Is it just me or are a number of the higher - quality WISP antenna
> manufacturers loving the KBT omnis?
> On Jul 8, 2015 10:06 AM,  wrote:
>
>>   Same parts  same source in China...
>>
>>  *From:* Ken Hohhof 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 7, 2015 6:46 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni
>>
>>   That link shows plots that sure look like 0 degrees.  Identical to
>> L-Com part?  Same plots.
>>
>>  *From:* TJ Trout 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2015 7:14 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni
>>
>>  2* is my guess
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Matt  wrote:
>>
>>> http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=81&Cat=
>>>
>>> Does this antenna have down tilt?
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

[Colin Stanners]

Is it just me or are a number of the higher - quality WISP antenna
manufacturers loving the KBT omnis?
On Jul 8, 2015 10:06 AM,  wrote:

>   Same parts  same source in China...
>
>  *From:* Ken Hohhof 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 7, 2015 6:46 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni
>
>   That link shows plots that sure look like 0 degrees.  Identical to
> L-Com part?  Same plots.
>
>  *From:* TJ Trout 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2015 7:14 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni
>
>  2* is my guess
>
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Matt  wrote:
>
>> http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=81&Cat=
>>
>> Does this antenna have down tilt?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?

[chuck]

Let someone else do the fiber.  First.

From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 10:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?

Did I misunderstand the goal?  Was the question to put fiber in first or put in 
wireless first?  

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 9:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?

 

Second mover advantage with fiber, not RF.  Let the muni experiment falter then 
come in and mop up.  

 

From: Rory Conaway 

Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 10:12 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?

 

Can you be more specific?  Right now you have 802.11ac with nothing coming 
behind it in the same price category.  You have different flavors of 802.11ac 
technologies but the fundamentals are the same.  I don’t believe being second 
to fiber is a good move.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 8:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?

 

Second mover advantage really works out well with emerging technologies.  

 

From: Rory Conaway 

Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 12:04 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?

 

I completely disagree with my esteemed colleague, Mr. Webster.  Being second to 
the game is like trying to ask a girl to the prom who has already been asked.  
If you snooze, you lose.  If you get the customers first, especially if you get 
2 year contracts, they will have a lot harder time displacing you.  You are in 
a better position if you already have customers and revenue in place when they 
fail.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David Milholen
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2015 7:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?

 

+1 
they will try so hard just not to keep it going. Once they go over the tipping 
point of going out to peoples homes to hook up grandmas laptop or keep their 
ipad connected.

On 7/7/2015 7:03 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

  100% agree with Brian. This seems to be the path for about 99% of the Muni 
WISPS out there. Keep your eye on it, get to the know the staff. When the pain 
seems to get to much for them to bear offer to step in. 

   

  The only thing you will have to deal with is the customers who think you 
should charge, or give for free, with the same structure a tax funded entity 
couldn't make work. That won't matter since those socialists can't understand 
logic there is no use explaining it to them.

   

  On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 10:06 PM, Brian Webster  
wrote:

  My suggestion would be to just wait it out. Let them build it and lose money. 
Eventually they will realize that they have no idea how to be an ISP, the 
customers will not deal with slow government response times to complaints, and 
the government will hate dealing with title II issues and open internet 
regulations. They will throw their hands up and offer it via bid or something 
else to a private company to manage/own/run. You might be able to pick it up 
for far less than it would have cost you to build. I certainly would not try to 
overbuild them before they get going. The average consumer has already heard 
about their promised prices, you will be fighting that even though they have 
not even started building yet.

   

  Do a search for the UC2B project in Illinois, it was a municipal/university 
system built with stimulus funds. They did what they needed to meet grant 
obligations, then they all argued among the partners about who and how they 
would run things and failed at that. They finally let a private company take 
over and expand the system.

   

  Thank You,

  Brian Webster

  www.wirelessmapping.com

  www.Broadband-Mapping.com

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
  Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 8:45 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?

   


  Assuming you didn't have to recoup build costs, I don't see how it would be 
hard to run the network at $50 per sub.  Bandwidth is dirt cheep at scale and 
there isn't much to go wrong with a fiber plant. 


  On Jul 6, 2015, at 3:10 PM, Christopher Gray  
wrote:

About $40M is grant funding from the state for "last mile" services that is 
only available to municipalities. The balance of the funding is coming from 
town borrowing. My town will receive about $1.2M from the grant and will vote 
in September whether to authorize $2.3M of borrowing that would be paid with 
property tax.

 

I'm 95% sure this will go through, and the network would be lit in about 3 
years, but I can't get their numbers to work out. I cannot see how they can 
actually provide service and maintain their network and offer a base servic

Re: [AFMUG] 2.5Ghz Gear

[Patrick Leary]

Looking at one such base station here in Puerto Rico as we speak. It installs 
later today.

Patrick Leary, Telrad
On Jul 8, 2015 12:33 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
Telrad.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Paul Stewart 
mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>> wrote:
Hey folks…

Who’s making 2.5Ghz gear these days for multipoint?

Thanks,
Paul







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Re: [AFMUG] 2.5Ghz Gear

[Josh Luthman]

Telrad.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

> Hey folks…
>
>
>
> Who’s making 2.5Ghz gear these days for multipoint?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?

[Rory Conaway]

Did I misunderstand the goal?  Was the question to put fiber in first or put in 
wireless first?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 9:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?

Second mover advantage with fiber, not RF.  Let the muni experiment falter then 
come in and mop up.

From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 10:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?

Can you be more specific?  Right now you have 802.11ac with nothing coming 
behind it in the same price category.  You have different flavors of 802.11ac 
technologies but the fundamentals are the same.  I don’t believe being second 
to fiber is a good move.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 8:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?

Second mover advantage really works out well with emerging technologies.

From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 12:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?

I completely disagree with my esteemed colleague, Mr. Webster.  Being second to 
the game is like trying to ask a girl to the prom who has already been asked.  
If you snooze, you lose.  If you get the customers first, especially if you get 
2 year contracts, they will have a lot harder time displacing you.  You are in 
a better position if you already have customers and revenue in place when they 
fail.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David Milholen
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2015 7:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?

+1
they will try so hard just not to keep it going. Once they go over the tipping 
point of going out to peoples homes to hook up grandmas laptop or keep their 
ipad connected.
On 7/7/2015 7:03 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
100% agree with Brian. This seems to be the path for about 99% of the Muni 
WISPS out there. Keep your eye on it, get to the know the staff. When the pain 
seems to get to much for them to bear offer to step in.

The only thing you will have to deal with is the customers who think you should 
charge, or give for free, with the same structure a tax funded entity couldn't 
make work. That won't matter since those socialists can't understand logic 
there is no use explaining it to them.

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 10:06 PM, Brian Webster 
mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com>> wrote:
My suggestion would be to just wait it out. Let them build it and lose money. 
Eventually they will realize that they have no idea how to be an ISP, the 
customers will not deal with slow government response times to complaints, and 
the government will hate dealing with title II issues and open internet 
regulations. They will throw their hands up and offer it via bid or something 
else to a private company to manage/own/run. You might be able to pick it up 
for far less than it would have cost you to build. I certainly would not try to 
overbuild them before they get going. The average consumer has already heard 
about their promised prices, you will be fighting that even though they have 
not even started building yet.

Do a search for the UC2B project in Illinois, it was a municipal/university 
system built with stimulus funds. They did what they needed to meet grant 
obligations, then they all argued among the partners about who and how they 
would run things and failed at that. They finally let a private company take 
over and expand the system.

Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 8:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?


Assuming you didn't have to recoup build costs, I don't see how it would be 
hard to run the network at $50 per sub.  Bandwidth is dirt cheep at scale and 
there isn't much to go wrong with a fiber plant.

On Jul 6, 2015, at 3:10 PM, Christopher Gray 
mailto:cg...@graytechsoftware.com>> wrote:
About $40M is grant funding from the state for "last mile" services that is 
only available to municipalities. The balance of the funding is coming from 
town borrowing. My town will receive about $1.2M from the grant and will vote 
in September whether to authorize $2.3M of borrowing that would be paid with 
property tax.

I'm 95% sure this will go through, and the network would be lit in about 3 
years, but I can't get their numbers to work out. I cannot see how they can 
actually provide service and maintain

[AFMUG] 2.5Ghz Gear

[Paul Stewart]

Hey folks.

 

Who's making 2.5Ghz gear these days for multipoint?  

 

Thanks,

Paul

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?

[chuck]

Second mover advantage with fiber, not RF.  Let the muni experiment falter then 
come in and mop up.  

From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 10:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?

Can you be more specific?  Right now you have 802.11ac with nothing coming 
behind it in the same price category.  You have different flavors of 802.11ac 
technologies but the fundamentals are the same.  I don’t believe being second 
to fiber is a good move.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 8:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?

 

Second mover advantage really works out well with emerging technologies.  

 

From: Rory Conaway 

Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 12:04 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?

 

I completely disagree with my esteemed colleague, Mr. Webster.  Being second to 
the game is like trying to ask a girl to the prom who has already been asked.  
If you snooze, you lose.  If you get the customers first, especially if you get 
2 year contracts, they will have a lot harder time displacing you.  You are in 
a better position if you already have customers and revenue in place when they 
fail.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David Milholen
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2015 7:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?

 

+1 
they will try so hard just not to keep it going. Once they go over the tipping 
point of going out to peoples homes to hook up grandmas laptop or keep their 
ipad connected.

On 7/7/2015 7:03 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

  100% agree with Brian. This seems to be the path for about 99% of the Muni 
WISPS out there. Keep your eye on it, get to the know the staff. When the pain 
seems to get to much for them to bear offer to step in. 

   

  The only thing you will have to deal with is the customers who think you 
should charge, or give for free, with the same structure a tax funded entity 
couldn't make work. That won't matter since those socialists can't understand 
logic there is no use explaining it to them.

   

  On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 10:06 PM, Brian Webster  
wrote:

  My suggestion would be to just wait it out. Let them build it and lose money. 
Eventually they will realize that they have no idea how to be an ISP, the 
customers will not deal with slow government response times to complaints, and 
the government will hate dealing with title II issues and open internet 
regulations. They will throw their hands up and offer it via bid or something 
else to a private company to manage/own/run. You might be able to pick it up 
for far less than it would have cost you to build. I certainly would not try to 
overbuild them before they get going. The average consumer has already heard 
about their promised prices, you will be fighting that even though they have 
not even started building yet.

   

  Do a search for the UC2B project in Illinois, it was a municipal/university 
system built with stimulus funds. They did what they needed to meet grant 
obligations, then they all argued among the partners about who and how they 
would run things and failed at that. They finally let a private company take 
over and expand the system.

   

  Thank You,

  Brian Webster

  www.wirelessmapping.com

  www.Broadband-Mapping.com

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
  Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 8:45 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?

   


  Assuming you didn't have to recoup build costs, I don't see how it would be 
hard to run the network at $50 per sub.  Bandwidth is dirt cheep at scale and 
there isn't much to go wrong with a fiber plant. 


  On Jul 6, 2015, at 3:10 PM, Christopher Gray  
wrote:

About $40M is grant funding from the state for "last mile" services that is 
only available to municipalities. The balance of the funding is coming from 
town borrowing. My town will receive about $1.2M from the grant and will vote 
in September whether to authorize $2.3M of borrowing that would be paid with 
property tax.

 

I'm 95% sure this will go through, and the network would be lit in about 3 
years, but I can't get their numbers to work out. I cannot see how they can 
actually provide service and maintain their network and offer a base service of 
only $50 / month. If that jumps to $100, I could see remaining competitive, 
though.




 

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Where is the funding coming from?

I would not be comfortable building in an area where I am sure to get over 
built.  

 

From: Christopher Gray 

Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 11:56 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?

 

Several of the rural to

Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?

[Rory Conaway]

Can you be more specific?  Right now you have 802.11ac with nothing coming 
behind it in the same price category.  You have different flavors of 802.11ac 
technologies but the fundamentals are the same.  I don’t believe being second 
to fiber is a good move.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 8:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?

Second mover advantage really works out well with emerging technologies.

From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 12:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?

I completely disagree with my esteemed colleague, Mr. Webster.  Being second to 
the game is like trying to ask a girl to the prom who has already been asked.  
If you snooze, you lose.  If you get the customers first, especially if you get 
2 year contracts, they will have a lot harder time displacing you.  You are in 
a better position if you already have customers and revenue in place when they 
fail.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David Milholen
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2015 7:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?

+1
they will try so hard just not to keep it going. Once they go over the tipping 
point of going out to peoples homes to hook up grandmas laptop or keep their 
ipad connected.
On 7/7/2015 7:03 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
100% agree with Brian. This seems to be the path for about 99% of the Muni 
WISPS out there. Keep your eye on it, get to the know the staff. When the pain 
seems to get to much for them to bear offer to step in.

The only thing you will have to deal with is the customers who think you should 
charge, or give for free, with the same structure a tax funded entity couldn't 
make work. That won't matter since those socialists can't understand logic 
there is no use explaining it to them.

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 10:06 PM, Brian Webster 
mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com>> wrote:
My suggestion would be to just wait it out. Let them build it and lose money. 
Eventually they will realize that they have no idea how to be an ISP, the 
customers will not deal with slow government response times to complaints, and 
the government will hate dealing with title II issues and open internet 
regulations. They will throw their hands up and offer it via bid or something 
else to a private company to manage/own/run. You might be able to pick it up 
for far less than it would have cost you to build. I certainly would not try to 
overbuild them before they get going. The average consumer has already heard 
about their promised prices, you will be fighting that even though they have 
not even started building yet.

Do a search for the UC2B project in Illinois, it was a municipal/university 
system built with stimulus funds. They did what they needed to meet grant 
obligations, then they all argued among the partners about who and how they 
would run things and failed at that. They finally let a private company take 
over and expand the system.

Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 8:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?


Assuming you didn't have to recoup build costs, I don't see how it would be 
hard to run the network at $50 per sub.  Bandwidth is dirt cheep at scale and 
there isn't much to go wrong with a fiber plant.

On Jul 6, 2015, at 3:10 PM, Christopher Gray 
mailto:cg...@graytechsoftware.com>> wrote:
About $40M is grant funding from the state for "last mile" services that is 
only available to municipalities. The balance of the funding is coming from 
town borrowing. My town will receive about $1.2M from the grant and will vote 
in September whether to authorize $2.3M of borrowing that would be paid with 
property tax.

I'm 95% sure this will go through, and the network would be lit in about 3 
years, but I can't get their numbers to work out. I cannot see how they can 
actually provide service and maintain their network and offer a base service of 
only $50 / month. If that jumps to $100, I could see remaining competitive, 
though.


On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Chuck McCown 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Where is the funding coming from?
I would not be comfortable building in an area where I am sure to get over 
built.

From: Christopher Gray
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 11:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Plan to Compete with Municipal Fiber?

Several of the rural towns in my planned coverage area are looking into 
municipal fiber (average density 

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

[chuck]

Sigh I would love to do that.  But so many antennas, so little time...

-Original Message- 
From: Matt 
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 10:01 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni 


Same parts  same source in China...


How about you make 3.6GHZ and 2.4GHZ versions.  Some very rural pops
with less then 10 subs I require other options.



That link shows plots that sure look like 0 degrees.  Identical to L-Com
part?  Same plots.





2* is my guess

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Matt  wrote:


http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=81&Cat=

Does this antenna have down tilt?

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHZ WBMFG Omni

[Matt]

> Same parts  same source in China...

How about you make 3.6GHZ and 2.4GHZ versions.  Some very rural pops
with less then 10 subs I require other options.

>
> That link shows plots that sure look like 0 degrees.  Identical to L-Com
> part?  Same plots.
>

>
> 2* is my guess
>
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Matt  wrote:
>>
>> http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=81&Cat=
>>
>> Does this antenna have down tilt?
>
>

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[Dennis Burgess]

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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 10:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] ISP Radio TODAY -- Larry Donahue from Law 4 Small Business


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