Re: [AFMUG] VOIP

[Faisal Imtiaz]

The eternal loaded question... 
Expense 
Quality 
Delivery 

One has to find the balance between the three, you can have any two as long as 
you are willing to compromise on the 3rd. 

Voice service are pretty easy to bring in house and offer (with the right type 
of setup, it is a bit of work, but nothing outrageous , with less than optimal 
setup, it is a continuous compromise on different aspects of the service). 

If you have some Linux / server hosting skills we can help you bring it 
in-house. While it is possible to slice this as an outsourced / hosted service 
but the value proposition can become very much similar to others... give or 
take.. 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 6:29:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP

> Just like to give my ILEC customers a non regulated option.
> From: Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 1:35 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP
> I’ve never had much luck with a straight resale model for anything.
> The answer also probably depends on what you are mainly going after:
> residential, business hosted PBX, or business onsite PBX (not to imply those
> are mutually exclusive). Business probably has the best profit potential as
> well as the ability to actually bring in broadband business and not just make
> broadband customers stickier. But business VoIP is more demanding as far as
> advanced features, nice GUI, ability to customize features and GUI, and
> automating your tasks like adds/moves/changes and backup/restore so that labor
> doesn’t eat you alive.
> From: Chuck McCown
> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 2:27 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP
> Yep, cheap and easy and hopefully good and perhaps profitable.
> From: Paul Stewart
> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 1:07 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP

> You’re specifically asking about resell and having no “moving parts” in 
> involved
> (ie. Using your own softswitch etc)?

> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: May 26, 2016 1:49 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP

> What is the best value for reselling VOIP? As in buying low, good quality
> service for resale.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: going lean tonight

[Mathew Howard]

But the light beer would be like half price!

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 9:27 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> No upgrade key?  If Cambium made beer, there would be keys.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 26, 2016 9:21 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: going lean tonight
>
>
> Same price actually... no cover charge any time
> On May 26, 2016 8:17 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
>> How much is the license key to upgrade it to Full?
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 26, 2016 8:46 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: going lean tonight
>>
>>
>> Salud compas
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] R200/R201 vs 844E

[Carlos Alcantar]

Just to add to this thread to make the most of the 844E you will only need to 
bundle there consumer connect management services which comes with a yearly 
subscription.




Carlos Alcantar

Race Communications / Race Team Member

1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010

Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / 
http://www.race.com


From: Af  on behalf of Josh Reynolds 

Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 9:27:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] R200/R201 vs 844E


Beamforming. ;)

On May 25, 2016 9:57 PM, "Christopher Gray" 
> wrote:
You're right, the R201 is basically a OEM generic DD-WRT router... but it is a 
good, stable router with built-in ATA and a free remote management system, and 
I'm not sure I need anything more.

I've been using the R200 for nearly a year (well, I started when it was the 
C3VoIP). It has had plenty of issues (most of which are ATA related and have 
been resolved in the firmware updates), but as a WiFi router it has performed 
very well throughout. Most of the issues have been sorted and it is relatively 
easy to provision and manage.

I've heard only great things about the Calix system. It appears to be ~60% 
additional up front cost plus a monthly fee for the management software. What 
additional benefits are provided by the Calix system to justify that increased 
cost?

So far, the additional benefits I see are: remote site survey, 4x4 MU-MIMO, and 
[assumed] more developed firmware.

-Chris


On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 2:15 PM, Sean Heskett 
> wrote:
we love the Calix 844E, i've posted many many times about how great our 
experiences with the product have been.

I looked at the R201 and it's basically a OEM generic DD-WRT router

2 cents

-Sean


On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 6:02 AM, Christopher Gray 
> wrote:
I'm trying to get a sense of whether the benefits of the 844E are worth the 
additional cost relative to the R200/R201. Does anyone have any good experience 
with the Calix and Cambium hardware and monitoring?

I've been using the Cambium system. The routers are mostly stable and their 
monitoring is improving regularly. Other than the more advanced 5 GHz 
capabilities, and the site survey option in the monitoring software, are there 
any compelling reasons to take on the additional cost and to move from Cambium 
to Calix in a WISP environment?

Thank you - Chris

Re: [AFMUG] OT: going lean tonight

[Ken Hohhof]

No upgrade key?  If Cambium made beer, there would be keys.

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 9:21 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: going lean tonight

Same price actually... no cover charge any time 

On May 26, 2016 8:17 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

  How much is the license key to upgrade it to Full?

  From: Jaime Solorza 
  Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 8:46 PM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT: going lean tonight

  Salud compas

Re: [AFMUG] OT: going lean tonight

[Jaime Solorza]

My wife bought it for mesaid they had no regular Tecate...
On May 26, 2016 8:21 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Same price actually... no cover charge any time
> On May 26, 2016 8:17 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
>> How much is the license key to upgrade it to Full?
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 26, 2016 8:46 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: going lean tonight
>>
>>
>> Salud compas
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: going lean tonight

[Jaime Solorza]

Same price actually... no cover charge any time
On May 26, 2016 8:17 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> How much is the license key to upgrade it to Full?
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 26, 2016 8:46 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: going lean tonight
>
>
> Salud compas
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: going lean tonight

[Ken Hohhof]

How much is the license key to upgrade it to Full?

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 8:46 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: going lean tonight

Salud compas

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP

[chuck]

Just like to give my ILEC customers a non regulated option.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 1:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP

I’ve never had much luck with a straight resale model for anything.

The answer also probably depends on what you are mainly going after:  
residential, business hosted PBX, or business onsite PBX (not to imply those 
are mutually exclusive).  Business probably has the best profit potential as 
well as the ability to actually bring in broadband business and not just make 
broadband customers stickier.  But business VoIP is more demanding as far as 
advanced features, nice GUI, ability to customize features and GUI, and 
automating your tasks like adds/moves/changes and backup/restore so that labor 
doesn’t eat you alive.


From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 2:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP

Yep, cheap and easy and hopefully good and perhaps profitable.

From: Paul Stewart 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 1:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP

You’re specifically asking about resell and having no “moving parts” in 
involved (ie. Using your own softswitch etc)?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: May 26, 2016 1:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP

 

What is the best value for reselling VOIP?  As in buying low, good quality 
service for resale.

Re: [AFMUG] OT? AWS

[Travis Johnson]

I host many domains/websites/email accounts with GoDaddy some over 
10 years now... never had an outage that I know of. My only issue is 
with their "basic" domain email hosting, they do SPAM filtering on 
outgoing mail based on subject... so if you send an email with "Hello" 
as the subject, it never leaves their servers, and you are never 
notified they didn't deliver. They have an entire "blacklist" of key 
subject words, but they wouldn't provide it to me when I asked. Having 
outgoing email filtered is really lame. They already restrict the total 
number of SMTP connections per account per day, why do they also need to 
filter based on keywords?!?!


Travis


On 5/26/2016 1:46 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

Goes down a lot.

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 2:41 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

GoDaddy? Cheap, works … etc





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: May 26, 2016 3:27 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT? AWS



Not to get to close to what some of you still do for a livingbut I need
a web host and I was thinking AWS. I don't know why I was thinking AWS but I
was. I am setting up a static 6 page site and just need something simple I
can ftp a site up to.



I know Paul i the resident AWS guru but I was wondering if there are
opinions on the best way to go for this. I know how to run a Linux server,
Apache, etc. etc. I just don't want to anymore...sue me.



This is a stupid question but does anyone have an opinion you can back up
with some logical reasoning.

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP

[Robert Haas]

We are currently looking at Toly Digital: www.tolydigital.net
 

Under an NDA about the pricing, but I can say the profit margin is a lot
better than some of the other hosted solutions we looked at also their
front-end and back-end systems aren't so complex that the CSR's can't handle
basic orders.

 

We're also looking at moving some of the Ilec LD to them as well.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 12:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP

 

What is the best value for reselling VOIP?  As in buying low, good quality
service for resale.

Re: [AFMUG] OT? AWS

[Mike Hammett]

Great commercials. Bad everything else. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Paul Stewart"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 2:41:37 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT? AWS 



GoDaddy? Cheap, works … etc 


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman 
Sent: May 26, 2016 3:27 PM 
To: Animal Farm  
Subject: [AFMUG] OT? AWS 


Not to get to close to what some of you still do for a livingbut I need a 
web host and I was thinking AWS. I don't know why I was thinking AWS but I was. 
I am setting up a static 6 page site and just need something simple I can ftp a 
site up to. 



I know Paul i the resident AWS guru but I was wondering if there are opinions 
on the best way to go for this. I know how to run a Linux server, Apache, etc. 
etc. I just don't want to anymore...sue me. 



This is a stupid question but does anyone have an opinion you can back up with 
some logical reasoning. 

Re: [AFMUG] OT? AWS

[Zach Underwood]

For static pages you can use aws s3. That is what I use for my website. The
cost for my two maybe less than 1$ per year.
On May 26, 2016 3:46 PM, "Simon Westlake"  wrote:

They're not gonna offer anything different in that regard, you'd still have
to manage the server (which it sounds like Lewis doesn't want to do.)
On 5/26/2016 2:35 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

You're not going to hustle for DigitalOcean? :)

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Simon Westlake 
 wrote:

AWS is way overkill if you just want something you can FTP a static site up
to. All you really need is a cheap webhosting provider.

I haven't used one in a very long time, but something
likehttps://www.namecheap.com/hosting.aspx
 is probably fine.. I use Namecheap
for all my SSL/domain hosting, and they've been good.


On 5/26/2016 2:27 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

Not to get to close to what some of you still do for a livingbut I need
a web host and I was thinking AWS. I don't know why I was thinking AWS but I
was. I am setting up a static 6 page site and just need something simple I
can ftp a site up to.

I know Paul i the resident AWS guru but I was wondering if there are
opinions on the best way to go for this. I know how to run a Linux server,
Apache, etc. etc. I just don't want to anymore...sue me.

This is a stupid question but does anyone have an opinion you can back up
with some logical reasoning.


--
Simon Westlake
Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email: simon@sonar.software

Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The next generation of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software


-- 
Simon Westlake
Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The next generation of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] OT? AWS

[Simon Westlake]

They are also a pretty bad company, been involved in a lot of activity 
of dubious morality. I wouldn't support them from a ethical perspective, 
although it doesn't particularly matter on a $6 hosting plan I guess.



On 5/26/2016 2:46 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

Goes down a lot.

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 2:41 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

GoDaddy? Cheap, works … etc





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: May 26, 2016 3:27 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT? AWS



Not to get to close to what some of you still do for a livingbut I need
a web host and I was thinking AWS. I don't know why I was thinking AWS but I
was. I am setting up a static 6 page site and just need something simple I
can ftp a site up to.



I know Paul i the resident AWS guru but I was wondering if there are
opinions on the best way to go for this. I know how to run a Linux server,
Apache, etc. etc. I just don't want to anymore...sue me.



This is a stupid question but does anyone have an opinion you can back up
with some logical reasoning.


--
Simon Westlake
Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] OT? AWS

[Simon Westlake]

They're not gonna offer anything different in that regard, you'd still 
have to manage the server (which it sounds like Lewis doesn't want to do.)


On 5/26/2016 2:35 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

You're not going to hustle for DigitalOcean? :)

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Simon Westlake  wrote:

AWS is way overkill if you just want something you can FTP a static site up
to. All you really need is a cheap webhosting provider.

I haven't used one in a very long time, but something like
https://www.namecheap.com/hosting.aspx is probably fine.. I use Namecheap
for all my SSL/domain hosting, and they've been good.


On 5/26/2016 2:27 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

Not to get to close to what some of you still do for a livingbut I need
a web host and I was thinking AWS. I don't know why I was thinking AWS but I
was. I am setting up a static 6 page site and just need something simple I
can ftp a site up to.

I know Paul i the resident AWS guru but I was wondering if there are
opinions on the best way to go for this. I know how to run a Linux server,
Apache, etc. etc. I just don't want to anymore...sue me.

This is a stupid question but does anyone have an opinion you can back up
with some logical reasoning.


--
Simon Westlake
Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software


--
Simon Westlake
Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] OT? AWS

[Josh Reynolds]

Goes down a lot.

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 2:41 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:
> GoDaddy? Cheap, works … etc
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
> Sent: May 26, 2016 3:27 PM
> To: Animal Farm 
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT? AWS
>
>
>
> Not to get to close to what some of you still do for a livingbut I need
> a web host and I was thinking AWS. I don't know why I was thinking AWS but I
> was. I am setting up a static 6 page site and just need something simple I
> can ftp a site up to.
>
>
>
> I know Paul i the resident AWS guru but I was wondering if there are
> opinions on the best way to go for this. I know how to run a Linux server,
> Apache, etc. etc. I just don't want to anymore...sue me.
>
>
>
> This is a stupid question but does anyone have an opinion you can back up
> with some logical reasoning.

Re: [AFMUG] OT? AWS

[Lewis Bergman]

Thanks

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 2:41 PM Paul Stewart  wrote:

> GoDaddy? Cheap, works … etc
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* May 26, 2016 3:27 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT? AWS
>
>
>
> Not to get to close to what some of you still do for a livingbut I
> need a web host and I was thinking AWS. I don't know why I was thinking AWS
> but I was. I am setting up a static 6 page site and just need something
> simple I can ftp a site up to.
>
>
>
> I know Paul i the resident AWS guru but I was wondering if there are
> opinions on the best way to go for this. I know how to run a Linux server,
> Apache, etc. etc. I just don't want to anymore...sue me.
>
>
>
> This is a stupid question but does anyone have an opinion you can back up
> with some logical reasoning.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT? AWS

[Paul Stewart]

GoDaddy? Cheap, works … etc 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: May 26, 2016 3:27 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT? AWS

 

Not to get to close to what some of you still do for a livingbut I need a 
web host and I was thinking AWS. I don't know why I was thinking AWS but I was. 
I am setting up a static 6 page site and just need something simple I can ftp a 
site up to.

 

I know Paul i the resident AWS guru but I was wondering if there are opinions 
on the best way to go for this. I know how to run a Linux server, Apache, etc. 
etc. I just don't want to anymore...sue me.

 

This is a stupid question but does anyone have an opinion you can back up with 
some logical reasoning. 

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP

[Jesse DuPont]

  
  
Pulsar360 has a great residual recurring resale model (you get X
  per line every month from Pulsar360). You're first line of
  defense, but after it's known to not be a network issue, Pulsar
  support kicks in. Their primary product is hosted PBX (or
  single-line), but they also support and will help provision ATAs
  for residential service. They bill the customer directly so it's
  not white-label.


  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
Jesse DuPont

  Network
  Architect
  email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
  Celerity Networks LLC
  Celerity
  Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
  Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
  

  

On 5/26/16 1:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:


  
  
  
  

  Yep, cheap and easy and hopefully good and perhaps
profitable.
  

   
  
From: Paul Stewart

Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 1:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP
  

 
  
  

  You’re
  specifically asking about resell and having no “moving
  parts” in involved (ie. Using your own softswitch
  etc)?
   
  

  From: Af
  [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck
  McCown
  Sent: May 26, 2016 1:49 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP

  
   
  

  
What
is the best value for reselling VOIP?  As in
buying low, good quality service for resale.
  

  

  

  


  

Re: [AFMUG] OT? AWS

[Josh Baird]

I would probably look at a web hosting company over something like AWS
unless you want to maintain the server your self.

Josh

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> Not to get to close to what some of you still do for a livingbut I
> need a web host and I was thinking AWS. I don't know why I was thinking AWS
> but I was. I am setting up a static 6 page site and just need something
> simple I can ftp a site up to.
>
> I know Paul i the resident AWS guru but I was wondering if there are
> opinions on the best way to go for this. I know how to run a Linux server,
> Apache, etc. etc. I just don't want to anymore...sue me.
>
> This is a stupid question but does anyone have an opinion you can back up
> with some logical reasoning.
>

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP

[Ken Hohhof]

I’ve never had much luck with a straight resale model for anything.

The answer also probably depends on what you are mainly going after:  
residential, business hosted PBX, or business onsite PBX (not to imply those 
are mutually exclusive).  Business probably has the best profit potential as 
well as the ability to actually bring in broadband business and not just make 
broadband customers stickier.  But business VoIP is more demanding as far as 
advanced features, nice GUI, ability to customize features and GUI, and 
automating your tasks like adds/moves/changes and backup/restore so that labor 
doesn’t eat you alive.


From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 2:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP

Yep, cheap and easy and hopefully good and perhaps profitable.

From: Paul Stewart 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 1:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP

You’re specifically asking about resell and having no “moving parts” in 
involved (ie. Using your own softswitch etc)?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: May 26, 2016 1:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP

 

What is the best value for reselling VOIP?  As in buying low, good quality 
service for resale.

Re: [AFMUG] OT? AWS

[Josh Reynolds]

You're not going to hustle for DigitalOcean? :)

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Simon Westlake  wrote:
> AWS is way overkill if you just want something you can FTP a static site up
> to. All you really need is a cheap webhosting provider.
>
> I haven't used one in a very long time, but something like
> https://www.namecheap.com/hosting.aspx is probably fine.. I use Namecheap
> for all my SSL/domain hosting, and they've been good.
>
>
> On 5/26/2016 2:27 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> Not to get to close to what some of you still do for a livingbut I need
> a web host and I was thinking AWS. I don't know why I was thinking AWS but I
> was. I am setting up a static 6 page site and just need something simple I
> can ftp a site up to.
>
> I know Paul i the resident AWS guru but I was wondering if there are
> opinions on the best way to go for this. I know how to run a Linux server,
> Apache, etc. etc. I just don't want to anymore...sue me.
>
> This is a stupid question but does anyone have an opinion you can back up
> with some logical reasoning.
>
>
> --
> Simon Westlake
> Skype: Simon_Sonar
> Email: simon@sonar.software
> Phone: (702) 447-1247
> ---
> Sonar Software Inc
> The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
> https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] OT? AWS

[Simon Westlake]

AWS is way overkill if you just want something you can FTP a static site 
up to. All you really need is a cheap webhosting provider.


I haven't used one in a very long time, but something like 
https://www.namecheap.com/hosting.aspx is probably fine.. I use 
Namecheap for all my SSL/domain hosting, and they've been good.



On 5/26/2016 2:27 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
Not to get to close to what some of you still do for a livingbut I 
need a web host and I was thinking AWS. I don't know why I was 
thinking AWS but I was. I am setting up a static 6 page site and just 
need something simple I can ftp a site up to.


I know Paul i the resident AWS guru but I was wondering if there are 
opinions on the best way to go for this. I know how to run a Linux 
server, Apache, etc. etc. I just don't want to anymore...sue me.


This is a stupid question but does anyone have an opinion you can back 
up with some logical reasoning.


--
Simon Westlake
Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

[AFMUG] OT? AWS

[Lewis Bergman]

Not to get to close to what some of you still do for a livingbut I need
a web host and I was thinking AWS. I don't know why I was thinking AWS but
I was. I am setting up a static 6 page site and just need something simple
I can ftp a site up to.

I know Paul i the resident AWS guru but I was wondering if there are
opinions on the best way to go for this. I know how to run a Linux server,
Apache, etc. etc. I just don't want to anymore...sue me.

This is a stupid question but does anyone have an opinion you can back up
with some logical reasoning.

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP

[Chuck McCown]

Yep, cheap and easy and hopefully good and perhaps profitable.

From: Paul Stewart 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 1:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP

You’re specifically asking about resell and having no “moving parts” in 
involved (ie. Using your own softswitch etc)?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: May 26, 2016 1:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP

 

What is the best value for reselling VOIP?  As in buying low, good quality 
service for resale.

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP

[Jon Bruce]

I've seen and heard really good things about Ipiphony.

On 5/26/2016 1:49 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
What is the best value for reselling VOIP?  As in buying low, good 
quality service for resale.

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP

[Paul Stewart]

You're specifically asking about resell and having no "moving parts" in
involved (ie. Using your own softswitch etc)?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: May 26, 2016 1:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP

 

What is the best value for reselling VOIP?  As in buying low, good quality
service for resale.

Re: [AFMUG] OT :Oh Good, Texas Is Considering a Textbook That Blames Undocumented Immigrants for Crime and Drugs

[Mathew Howard]

Well, if we're all dead racism shouldn't be a problem anymore! you've gotta
look at the bright side of these things :P

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 10:21 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> Maybe not. Call it 200 generations.
>
> We'll all melt by 2100 anyway.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 5/26/2016 8:15 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> So in 20 generations, there won't be any people left? :P
>
> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> Have you ever been to the middle east? Religious differences aside,
>> racism is alive and well. Assyrians, Kurds, etc.
>> On May 26, 2016 9:48 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>
>>> It's going to tack 20 generations before racism will disapear. Only 5
>>> generations per century.
>>>
>>> 400 years.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/26/2016 7:46 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>
>>> Like Lewis said Texas is racist only two places I have encountered
>>> blatant racism   east Texas and Tempe Az.   No big if
>>> On May 26, 2016 8:27 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 did clock boys family ever get that multi million dollar paycheck they
 were looking for?

 On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 4:11 AM, Lewis Bergman <
 lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Don't forget that kid is a liar? His family was fishing for something
> to happen? That is a great example of a two sided sorry only having one
> side told.  Not that the ISD didn't overreact, just that this is not a
> racial story primarily.
> But, to each his own. There are plenty of racist down here...heck...in
> many places. Just that this story is not a great example of it.
>
> On Wed, May 25, 2016, 11:31 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, and don't forget this incident:
>>
>> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Mohamed_clock_incident
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I am contacting the guys from Culture Clash there is parody or
>>> satire skit in here some where... first our history books call the 
>>> African
>>> slaves brought here as "guest workers" and now thisaye Dios mio,  
>>> como
>>> chingan estos pendejos  I am the masses of my people and I will not 
>>> be
>>> absorbed... wow guess that's radical
>>>
>>> Oh Good, Texas Is Considering a Textbook That Blames Undocumented
>>> Immigrants for Crime and Drugs
>>>
>>> 
>>> http://www.slate.com/blogs/schooled/2016/05/25/mary_lou_bruner_loses_election_but_controversies_still_abound_at_texas_education.html
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com |
>> http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>


 --
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

>>>
>>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fairgrounds WiFi

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Talk to Mike Francis they just did Wi-Fi at The Hangout Music Festival using 
ubnt gear 

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Jay Weekley" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] Fairgrounds WiFi
Date: Thu, May 26, 2016 6:24 AM

Is there any way to predict how many concurrent users to expect?

Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> I'm deploying UniFi on 5.x codebase for a 15k person venue coming up > in 
> June.
>
> I've used unifi many times before, and it works well.
>
> On May 25, 2016 3:21 PM, "SmarterBroadband" >  > wrote:
>
> We are looking to upgrade some equipment we use to provide WiFi to
> a fairgrounds site.
>
> Has anyone compared Cambium cnMaestro vs UBNT UniFi?  Good / Bad?
>
> Looks like the Cambium E500 is not available yet.   Therefore
> thinking ePMP 1000 Hotspot. Can deployed Hotspot APs be grouped in
> cnMaestro so we can change wifi wpa passwords across multiple APs
> at once?
>
> Is UniFi a good solution today?
>
> Is Mikrotik with CAPsMan worth a look.
>
> Any thoughts ideas appreciated.
>
> Adam
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fairgrounds WiFi

[Sean Heskett]

we have UniFi deployed at several high end MDUs at the ski resort and also
at the airport.

Highly recommend it!

The airport will go from zero to hundreds of users (plane lands) with out
an issue.  it's also nice because they can connect and seamlessly roam thru
the entire airport across multiple APs.

-Sean

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 2:21 PM, SmarterBroadband <
li...@smarterbroadband.com> wrote:

> We are looking to upgrade some equipment we use to provide WiFi to a
> fairgrounds site.
>
>
>
> Has anyone compared Cambium cnMaestro vs UBNT UniFi?  Good / Bad?
>
>
>
> Looks like the Cambium E500 is not available yet.   Therefore thinking
> ePMP 1000 Hotspot.   Can deployed Hotspot APs be grouped in cnMaestro so we
> can change wifi wpa passwords across multiple APs at once?
>
>
>
> Is UniFi a good solution today?
>
>
>
> Is Mikrotik with CAPsMan worth a look.
>
>
>
> Any thoughts ideas appreciated.
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] VOIP

[Chuck McCown]

What is the best value for reselling VOIP?  As in buying low, good quality 
service for resale.

Re: [AFMUG] OT I un-screwed myself

[Darren Shea]

I’ve asked someone who had a pretty solid password get compromised if she had 
used that password anywhere else, and she answered, “yes, I use the same 
password everywhere.” If one site they use (which has poor security and stores 
passwords somewhere in plaintext) gets compromised, and the hackers now have 
their e-mail and their “secure” password. Voila!

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 7:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I un-screwed myself

 

There are a lot of people that sign up for stuff on the internet where they use 
your email as a user id (not an all-together bad idea), then the user gets 
confused, or doesn't distinguish that this is a different set of credentials. 
They use their actual email password to sign in to a web site. 

Too many people don't parse what they are actually talking to. They give me one 
of those questions saying "It's asking me do do X, Y, or Z." I ask them who's 
asking. They respond that they don't know, because they really don't know.

 

bp

 

On 5/25/2016 5:13 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

What I often wonder about is the people whose email credentials get compromised.

 

Our email server bans an IP address for 60 minutes after 10 wrong attempts, so 
I don’t think it’s a brute force attack.  It did occur to me that a botnet 
could be used for a bruteforce attack from many different IP addresses.

 

But then it would happen to everyone, which it doesn’t.  It’s usually the same 
small group of people.  And not necessarily with passwords that are trivial to 
guess like 1234.

 

My best guess is either their computer is compromised and has been mined for 
stored passwords, or they use the same password lots of places and one of those 
got compromised.

 

Stuff like man-in-the-middle attacks grabbing plaintext passwords seems too 
spy-vs-spy for spammers.

 

Anybody have a more educated guess or even actual knowledge of how spammers 
keep getting certain peoples passwords?

 

 

From: Eric Kuhnke   

Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 6:35 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I un-screwed myself

 

https://diogomonica.com/posts/password-security-why-the-horse-battery-staple-is-not-correct/

 

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:

I'm late to the thread, but this seems topical if someone hasn't already posted 
it.

https://xkcd.com/936/


On 5/25/2016 6:14 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:

Hence how the employee of a certain slot machine almost made himself rich..  
Alas, greed was more powerful that intellect..  Yet there may be unknown people 
out there that are not greedy that are to this day using the predictability of 
RNG's to keep the beer fridge filled and the tax man at bay...

On 05/25/2016 03:54 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

for serious applications, generating cryptographically sound "random"
numbers is quite a hard computer science problem...

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Random_number_generation

one of the main methods of attacking a cryptosystem is if the adversary
knows that the RNG used to produce the keys is not truly random, but
have some element of predictability in it.



On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 3:10 PM, Ken Hohhof > wrote:

I think I’ll start a business selling random numbers.
Who’s to say 12345 isn’t a random number?
Wait, this sounds a lot like the fortune cookie business.
*From:* Cassidy B. Larson 
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2016 4:11 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT I un-screwed myself
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/01/21/11-year-old-girl-sets-up-business-selling-secure-passwords-for-2/

On May 25, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Chuck McCown > wrote:
I unscrewed myself.

In windows file explorer, there is a view option that has a
preview option.
With preview selected you get the contents of a file on the right
side of the screen.

I was trying various combinations of my password and noticed that
on one of the tries, the preview pane showed some content.
After a few more tries I discovered that putting a zero in front
of the alt code allowed the preview to show content.
The file still would not open, but I could cut and paste from the
preview pane and I got it all.

Sometimes you luck out.

-Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 3:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself

baby monkey puppy

-Original Message- From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 2:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT I screwed myself

I'll say.

For a new password I am considering:
inside housing puppets 

Re: [AFMUG] Blistering world record WIFI transmission heralds new era in super-fast internet

[Josh Reynolds]

i r sad.

Reddit is fantastic actually. /r/live is also a great place to get
news updates on big stories before places like ccn/fox report them.

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 2:38 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
 wrote:
> no! I am not allowed to reddit
>
> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Steve  wrote:
>>
>> I wish these mailing lists had "Upvotes".
>>
>> Wonder if the animal farm should make a subreddit...
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 12:34:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Blistering world record WIFI transmission heralds new
>> era in super-fast internet
>>
>> And sheets of paper and drapery and a well placed sneeze...
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Steve
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 10:28 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Blistering world record WIFI transmission heralds new
>> era in super-fast internet
>>
>> I'm thinking water and clouds are going to be a problem.. :)
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 12:23:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Blistering world record WIFI transmission heralds new
>> era in super-fast internet
>>
>> using a radio frequency of 71-76Hz.
>>
>> “Only in this frequency range of millimeter waves are the required high
>> effective bandwidths available,”
>>
>> U 70 GHz maybe?  At 10km though?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Steve  wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > https://www.rt.com/viral/344357-wifi-record-transmission-fraunhofer/
>> >
>> > German scientists have smashed the radio wave data-speed barrier by
>> > transmitting information equivalent to the contents of a conventional
>> > DVD
>> > some 37km in under 10 seconds.
>> >
>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Govt still using 8 inch floppies

[Mark Radabaugh]

At least we don’t have to worry about somebody hacking it by sticking a USB 
stick in it.   Or finding a way in through the Internet.   Something tells me 
it has 25 pin RS-232 connectors on it.

Please note the mailing and shipping address change below:

Mark Radabaugh
Amplex
22690 Pemberville Rd
Luckey, OH 43443
419-837-5015 x1021
m...@amplex.net

> On May 26, 2016, at 11:08 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>  wrote:
> 
> If it aint broke, dont fix it
> 
> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 10:07 AM, can...@believewireless.net 
>   > wrote:
> You lose either way. If they develop a new system people will say it's too 
> expensive and has too many cost
> overruns.
> 
> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Rory Conaway  > wrote:
> This is just mismanagement on the part of the Pentagon.  Unless some general 
> can steer a contract to a big defense contractor just as they are retiring so 
> they can take a job with said contractor, nobody is going to stick their neck 
> out and propose a new system.
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Govt still using 8 inch floppies

[Ken Hohhof]

I used to work for a telecom equipment manufacturer.  We built a custom product 
that was the pet project of some general, and because they made a mistake in 
the specs, it was useless.  They paid us and stuck the useless equipment in a 
warehouse somewhere.


From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 10:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Govt still using 8 inch floppies

I’ve learned a lot about how the defense industry works and it’s amazing the 
waste. For example, Washington people will schedule useless or too many trips 
to warm parts of the country, usually on Fridays so they can then spend the 
weekend there.  Phoenix and San Diego are favorite spots for that.  

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 8:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Govt still using 8 inch floppies

 

If it aint broke, dont fix it

 

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 10:07 AM, can...@believewireless.net 
 wrote:

You lose either way. If they develop a new system people will say it's too 
expensive and has too many cost

overruns.

 

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

This is just mismanagement on the part of the Pentagon.  Unless some general 
can steer a contract to a big defense contractor just as they are retiring so 
they can take a job with said contractor, nobody is going to stick their neck 
out and propose a new system.

 





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT :Oh Good, Texas Is Considering a Textbook That Blames Undocumented Immigrants for Crime and Drugs

[Bill Prince]

Maybe not. Call it 200 generations.

We'll all melt by 2100 anyway.


bp


On 5/26/2016 8:15 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

So in 20 generations, there won't be any people left? :P

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Josh Reynolds > wrote:


Have you ever been to the middle east? Religious differences
aside, racism is alive and well. Assyrians, Kurds, etc.

On May 26, 2016 9:48 AM, "Bill Prince" > wrote:

It's going to tack 20 generations before racism will disapear.
Only 5 generations per century.

400 years.


bp


On 5/26/2016 7:46 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:


Like Lewis said Texas is racist only two places I have
encountered blatant racism   east Texas and Tempe Az.   No
big if

On May 26, 2016 8:27 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"
> wrote:

did clock boys family ever get that multi million dollar
paycheck they were looking for?

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 4:11 AM, Lewis Bergman
> wrote:

Don't forget that kid is a liar? His family was
fishing for something to happen? That is a great
example of a two sided sorry only having one side
told.  Not that the ISD didn't overreact, just that
this is not a racial story primarily.
But, to each his own. There are plenty of racist down
here...heck...in many places. Just that this story is
not a great example of it.


On Wed, May 25, 2016, 11:31 PM Forrest Christian
(List Account) > wrote:

Yeah, and don't forget this incident:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Mohamed_clock_incident



On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Jaime Solorza
> wrote:

I am contacting the guys from Culture
Clash there is parody or satire skit in
here some where... first our history books
call the African slaves brought here as
"guest workers" and now thisaye Dios mio,
como chingan estos pendejos  I am the
masses of my people and I will not be
absorbed... wow guess that's radical

Oh Good, Texas Is Considering a Textbook That
Blames Undocumented Immigrants for Crime and
Drugs

http://www.slate.com/blogs/schooled/2016/05/25/mary_lou_bruner_loses_election_but_controversies_still_abound_at_texas_education.html




-- 
*Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux

Technologies, Inc./
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside
Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com  |
http://www.packetflux.com









-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but

you don't see your team as part of yourself you
have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Govt still using 8 inch floppies

[Rory Conaway]

I’ve learned a lot about how the defense industry works and it’s amazing the 
waste. For example, Washington people will schedule useless or too many trips 
to warm parts of the country, usually on Fridays so they can then spend the 
weekend there.  Phoenix and San Diego are favorite spots for that.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 8:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Govt still using 8 inch floppies

If it aint broke, dont fix it

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 10:07 AM, 
can...@believewireless.net 
> wrote:
You lose either way. If they develop a new system people will say it's too 
expensive and has too many cost
overruns.

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
This is just mismanagement on the part of the Pentagon.  Unless some general 
can steer a contract to a big defense contractor just as they are retiring so 
they can take a job with said contractor, nobody is going to stick their neck 
out and propose a new system.




--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT :Oh Good, Texas Is Considering a Textbook That Blames Undocumented Immigrants for Crime and Drugs

[Josh Reynolds]

They've been going at it for far more than 20 generations 

(Eww...)
On May 26, 2016 10:15 AM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:

> So in 20 generations, there won't be any people left? :P
>
> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> Have you ever been to the middle east? Religious differences aside,
>> racism is alive and well. Assyrians, Kurds, etc.
>> On May 26, 2016 9:48 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>
>>> It's going to tack 20 generations before racism will disapear. Only 5
>>> generations per century.
>>>
>>> 400 years.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/26/2016 7:46 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>
>>> Like Lewis said Texas is racist only two places I have encountered
>>> blatant racism   east Texas and Tempe Az.   No big if
>>> On May 26, 2016 8:27 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 did clock boys family ever get that multi million dollar paycheck they
 were looking for?

 On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 4:11 AM, Lewis Bergman <
 lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Don't forget that kid is a liar? His family was fishing for something
> to happen? That is a great example of a two sided sorry only having one
> side told.  Not that the ISD didn't overreact, just that this is not a
> racial story primarily.
> But, to each his own. There are plenty of racist down here...heck...in
> many places. Just that this story is not a great example of it.
>
> On Wed, May 25, 2016, 11:31 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, and don't forget this incident:
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Mohamed_clock_incident
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I am contacting the guys from Culture Clash there is parody or
>>> satire skit in here some where... first our history books call the 
>>> African
>>> slaves brought here as "guest workers" and now thisaye Dios mio,  
>>> como
>>> chingan estos pendejos  I am the masses of my people and I will not 
>>> be
>>> absorbed... wow guess that's radical
>>>
>>> Oh Good, Texas Is Considering a Textbook That Blames Undocumented
>>> Immigrants for Crime and Drugs
>>>
>>> http://www.slate.com/blogs/schooled/2016/05/25/mary_lou_bruner_loses_election_but_controversies_still_abound_at_texas_education.html
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>


 --
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT :Oh Good, Texas Is Considering a Textbook That Blames Undocumented Immigrants for Crime and Drugs

[Mathew Howard]

So in 20 generations, there won't be any people left? :P

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Josh Reynolds 
wrote:

> Have you ever been to the middle east? Religious differences aside, racism
> is alive and well. Assyrians, Kurds, etc.
> On May 26, 2016 9:48 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
>> It's going to tack 20 generations before racism will disapear. Only 5
>> generations per century.
>>
>> 400 years.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 5/26/2016 7:46 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
>> Like Lewis said Texas is racist only two places I have encountered
>> blatant racism   east Texas and Tempe Az.   No big if
>> On May 26, 2016 8:27 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> did clock boys family ever get that multi million dollar paycheck they
>>> were looking for?
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 4:11 AM, Lewis Bergman <
>>> lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Don't forget that kid is a liar? His family was fishing for something
 to happen? That is a great example of a two sided sorry only having one
 side told.  Not that the ISD didn't overreact, just that this is not a
 racial story primarily.
 But, to each his own. There are plenty of racist down here...heck...in
 many places. Just that this story is not a great example of it.

 On Wed, May 25, 2016, 11:31 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
 li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Yeah, and don't forget this incident:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Mohamed_clock_incident
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I am contacting the guys from Culture Clash there is parody or
>> satire skit in here some where... first our history books call the 
>> African
>> slaves brought here as "guest workers" and now thisaye Dios mio,  
>> como
>> chingan estos pendejos  I am the masses of my people and I will not 
>> be
>> absorbed... wow guess that's radical
>>
>> Oh Good, Texas Is Considering a Textbook That Blames Undocumented
>> Immigrants for Crime and Drugs
>>
>> http://www.slate.com/blogs/schooled/2016/05/25/mary_lou_bruner_loses_election_but_controversies_still_abound_at_texas_education.html
>>
>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
> 
>   
>
>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT :Oh Good, Texas Is Considering a Textbook That Blames Undocumented Immigrants for Crime and Drugs

[Josh Reynolds]

Have you ever been to the middle east? Religious differences aside, racism
is alive and well. Assyrians, Kurds, etc.
On May 26, 2016 9:48 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

> It's going to tack 20 generations before racism will disapear. Only 5
> generations per century.
>
> 400 years.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 5/26/2016 7:46 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> Like Lewis said Texas is racist only two places I have encountered
> blatant racism   east Texas and Tempe Az.   No big if
> On May 26, 2016 8:27 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> did clock boys family ever get that multi million dollar paycheck they
>> were looking for?
>>
>> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 4:11 AM, Lewis Bergman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Don't forget that kid is a liar? His family was fishing for something to
>>> happen? That is a great example of a two sided sorry only having one side
>>> told.  Not that the ISD didn't overreact, just that this is not a racial
>>> story primarily.
>>> But, to each his own. There are plenty of racist down here...heck...in
>>> many places. Just that this story is not a great example of it.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 25, 2016, 11:31 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, and don't forget this incident:

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Mohamed_clock_incident



 On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Jaime Solorza <
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I am contacting the guys from Culture Clash there is parody or
> satire skit in here some where... first our history books call the African
> slaves brought here as "guest workers" and now thisaye Dios mio,  como
> chingan estos pendejos  I am the masses of my people and I will not be
> absorbed... wow guess that's radical
>
> Oh Good, Texas Is Considering a Textbook That Blames Undocumented
> Immigrants for Crime and Drugs
>
> http://www.slate.com/blogs/schooled/2016/05/25/mary_lou_bruner_loses_election_but_controversies_still_abound_at_texas_education.html
>



 --
 *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
 Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
 
   


>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Govt still using 8 inch floppies

[can...@believewireless.net]

You lose either way. If they develop a new system people will say it's too
expensive and has too many cost
overruns.

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> This is just mismanagement on the part of the Pentagon.  Unless some
> general can steer a contract to a big defense contractor just as they are
> retiring so they can take a job with said contractor, nobody is going to
> stick their neck out and propose a new system.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Govt still using 8 inch floppies

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

If it aint broke, dont fix it

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 10:07 AM, can...@believewireless.net <
p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

> You lose either way. If they develop a new system people will say it's too
> expensive and has too many cost
> overruns.
>
> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
>> This is just mismanagement on the part of the Pentagon.  Unless some
>> general can steer a contract to a big defense contractor just as they are
>> retiring so they can take a job with said contractor, nobody is going to
>> stick their neck out and propose a new system.
>>
>>
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT :Oh Good, Texas Is Considering a Textbook That Blames Undocumented Immigrants for Crime and Drugs

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Mulattos are solving racism every day. How will the race baiters make their
money then?

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 9:48 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> It's going to tack 20 generations before racism will disapear. Only 5
> generations per century.
>
> 400 years.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 5/26/2016 7:46 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> Like Lewis said Texas is racist only two places I have encountered
> blatant racism   east Texas and Tempe Az.   No big if
> On May 26, 2016 8:27 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> did clock boys family ever get that multi million dollar paycheck they
>> were looking for?
>>
>> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 4:11 AM, Lewis Bergman <
>> lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Don't forget that kid is a liar? His family was fishing for something to
>>> happen? That is a great example of a two sided sorry only having one side
>>> told.  Not that the ISD didn't overreact, just that this is not a racial
>>> story primarily.
>>> But, to each his own. There are plenty of racist down here...heck...in
>>> many places. Just that this story is not a great example of it.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 25, 2016, 11:31 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, and don't forget this incident:

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Mohamed_clock_incident



 On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Jaime Solorza <
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I am contacting the guys from Culture Clash there is parody or
> satire skit in here some where... first our history books call the African
> slaves brought here as "guest workers" and now thisaye Dios mio,  como
> chingan estos pendejos  I am the masses of my people and I will not be
> absorbed... wow guess that's radical
>
> Oh Good, Texas Is Considering a Textbook That Blames Undocumented
> Immigrants for Crime and Drugs
>
> http://www.slate.com/blogs/schooled/2016/05/25/mary_lou_bruner_loses_election_but_controversies_still_abound_at_texas_education.html
>



 --
 *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
 Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
 
   


>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Govt still using 8 inch floppies

[Rory Conaway]

This is just mismanagement on the part of the Pentagon.  Unless some general 
can steer a contract to a big defense contractor just as they are retiring so 
they can take a job with said contractor, nobody is going to stick their neck 
out and propose a new system.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 7:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Govt still using 8 inch floppies

Give them a few raspberry PIs and a few teenagers and the whole system would be 
rebuilt in a month.

From: Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 7:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Govt still using 8 inch floppies


The worst thing is the obsolete systems consuming 2/3 of the budget.

Your gov'mint at work.



bp




On 5/25/2016 6:42 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/25/

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Govt still using 8 inch floppies

[Chuck McCown]

Give them a few raspberry PIs and a few teenagers and the whole system would be 
rebuilt in a month.

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 7:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Govt still using 8 inch floppies

The worst thing is the obsolete systems consuming 2/3 of the budget.

Your gov'mint at work.



bp


On 5/25/2016 6:42 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/25/ 

Re: [AFMUG] OT :Oh Good, Texas Is Considering a Textbook That Blames Undocumented Immigrants for Crime and Drugs

[Bill Prince]

It's going to tack 20 generations before racism will disapear. Only 5 
generations per century.


400 years.


bp


On 5/26/2016 7:46 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:


Like Lewis said Texas is racist only two places I have encountered 
blatant racism   east Texas and Tempe Az.   No big if


On May 26, 2016 8:27 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> wrote:


did clock boys family ever get that multi million dollar paycheck
they were looking for?

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 4:11 AM, Lewis Bergman
> wrote:

Don't forget that kid is a liar? His family was fishing for
something to happen? That is a great example of a two sided
sorry only having one side told.  Not that the ISD didn't
overreact, just that this is not a racial story primarily.
But, to each his own. There are plenty of racist down
here...heck...in many places. Just that this story is not a
great example of it.


On Wed, May 25, 2016, 11:31 PM Forrest Christian (List
Account) >
wrote:

Yeah, and don't forget this incident:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Mohamed_clock_incident



On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Jaime Solorza
> wrote:

I am contacting the guys from Culture Clash there
is parody or satire skit in here some where... first
our history books call the African slaves brought here
as "guest workers" and now thisaye Dios mio,  como
chingan estos pendejos  I am the masses of my
people and I will not be absorbed... wow guess that's
radical

Oh Good, Texas Is Considering a Textbook That Blames
Undocumented Immigrants for Crime and Drugs

http://www.slate.com/blogs/schooled/2016/05/25/mary_lou_bruner_loses_election_but_controversies_still_abound_at_texas_education.html




-- 
*Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road,
Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com  |
http://www.packetflux.com 








-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see

your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of
the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT :Oh Good, Texas Is Considering a Textbook That Blames Undocumented Immigrants for Crime and Drugs

[Jaime Solorza]

Like Lewis said Texas is racist only two places I have encountered
blatant racism   east Texas and Tempe Az.   No big if
On May 26, 2016 8:27 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> did clock boys family ever get that multi million dollar paycheck they
> were looking for?
>
> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 4:11 AM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
>> Don't forget that kid is a liar? His family was fishing for something to
>> happen? That is a great example of a two sided sorry only having one side
>> told.  Not that the ISD didn't overreact, just that this is not a racial
>> story primarily.
>> But, to each his own. There are plenty of racist down here...heck...in
>> many places. Just that this story is not a great example of it.
>>
>> On Wed, May 25, 2016, 11:31 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, and don't forget this incident:
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Mohamed_clock_incident
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I am contacting the guys from Culture Clash there is parody or
 satire skit in here some where... first our history books call the African
 slaves brought here as "guest workers" and now thisaye Dios mio,  como
 chingan estos pendejos  I am the masses of my people and I will not be
 absorbed... wow guess that's radical

 Oh Good, Texas Is Considering a Textbook That Blames Undocumented
 Immigrants for Crime and Drugs

 http://www.slate.com/blogs/schooled/2016/05/25/mary_lou_bruner_loses_election_but_controversies_still_abound_at_texas_education.html

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>> 
>>>   
>>>
>>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT :Oh Good, Texas Is Considering a Textbook That Blames Undocumented Immigrants for Crime and Drugs

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

did clock boys family ever get that multi million dollar paycheck they were
looking for?

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 4:11 AM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> Don't forget that kid is a liar? His family was fishing for something to
> happen? That is a great example of a two sided sorry only having one side
> told.  Not that the ISD didn't overreact, just that this is not a racial
> story primarily.
> But, to each his own. There are plenty of racist down here...heck...in
> many places. Just that this story is not a great example of it.
>
> On Wed, May 25, 2016, 11:31 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, and don't forget this incident:
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Mohamed_clock_incident
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>> I am contacting the guys from Culture Clash there is parody or
>>> satire skit in here some where... first our history books call the African
>>> slaves brought here as "guest workers" and now thisaye Dios mio,  como
>>> chingan estos pendejos  I am the masses of my people and I will not be
>>> absorbed... wow guess that's radical
>>>
>>> Oh Good, Texas Is Considering a Textbook That Blames Undocumented
>>> Immigrants for Crime and Drugs
>>>
>>> http://www.slate.com/blogs/schooled/2016/05/25/mary_lou_bruner_loses_election_but_controversies_still_abound_at_texas_education.html
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Tivo Roamio

[Bill Prince]

I would actually call it a be-doop.


bp


On 5/26/2016 6:44 AM, Micah Miller wrote:

The Roku is more of a "bing-bonk" :)

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 8:42 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

Is the Roamio ba doop the same ba doop as my Roku?


bp


On 5/25/2016 5:32 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Plus all the OTT clients and aggregated searching, season passes for favs
etc etc.
Hopefully it still makes the cool ba doop sound when fast forwarding.�
We tell people to ba doop when they forget they are watching a recorded
commercial.�
�
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 6:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Tivo Roamio
�
OTA tuner
1 TB DVR
Whole house DVR
�
All in one box.�
�
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 6:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Tivo Roamio
�

How does that differ from the Roku (I got a Roku 2, which I think is about
$69)? It has an all-inclusive search that picks up all the OTT streams that
I can think of. Netflix, Hulu, Vudo, Amazon, Freeflix, and on and on (a
lot).

We also use a Channel Master DVR+ which catches all the local channels we
care about, and about 50 we don't care about, plus several more OTT streams
that we haven't really explored.

BTW - Tivo is now a part of Rovi, or Rovi is now Tivo, depending on your
perspective.

�

bp


On 5/25/2016 4:45 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Ordered the Roamio today.� $399+ taxes
1 TB DVR.
�
Excited.� No subscription fees.� Aggregates all the searching for
content from various OTT providers to one search function.
Can do multi room DVR if you buy the smaller units.�
�
It sounds ideal.�
Now I gotta find my OTA antenna again.�

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: OT Tivo Roamio

[Micah Miller]

The Roku is more of a "bing-bonk" :)

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 8:42 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> Is the Roamio ba doop the same ba doop as my Roku?
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 5/25/2016 5:32 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Plus all the OTT clients and aggregated searching, season passes for favs
> etc etc.
> Hopefully it still makes the cool ba doop sound when fast forwarding.�
> We tell people to ba doop when they forget they are watching a recorded
> commercial.�
> �
> From: Chuck McCown
> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 6:26 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Tivo Roamio
> �
> OTA tuner
> 1 TB DVR
> Whole house DVR
> �
> All in one box.�
> �
> From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 6:01 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Tivo Roamio
> �
>
> How does that differ from the Roku (I got a Roku 2, which I think is about
> $69)? It has an all-inclusive search that picks up all the OTT streams that
> I can think of. Netflix, Hulu, Vudo, Amazon, Freeflix, and on and on (a
> lot).
>
> We also use a Channel Master DVR+ which catches all the local channels we
> care about, and about 50 we don't care about, plus several more OTT streams
> that we haven't really explored.
>
> BTW - Tivo is now a part of Rovi, or Rovi is now Tivo, depending on your
> perspective.
>
> �
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 5/25/2016 4:45 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Ordered the Roamio today.� $399+ taxes
> 1 TB DVR.
> �
> Excited.� No subscription fees.� Aggregates all the searching for
> content from various OTT providers to one search function.
> Can do multi room DVR if you buy the smaller units.�
> �
> It sounds ideal.�
> Now I gotta find my OTA antenna again.�
>
>
>



-- 
Micah Miller
Network/Server Administrator
Network Business Systems, Inc.
Phone: 309-944-8823

Re: [AFMUG] Fairgrounds WiFi

[Dennis Burgess]

Adam,

Please, contact our office and talk to Jim about this.  We have done everything 
from small hotels, to entire city wide wifi networks.  We have a range of 
solutions. We do use CAPsMAN quite a bit, and with the new outdoor dual band 
access points for 89 bucks, hard to beat in price.  There are other factors, 
such as density etc, as well as authentication that need to be looked at, we 
have solutions from the fairly inexpensive to supid priced but stupid dense 
systems.

Unfi still unifi, works in low density applications, expensive on the outdoor 
installations in comparison to some solutions.  We prefer capsman over unifi, 
cheaper, slicker, but not as "pretty" of a web interface.  Other options though 
are out there as well including auto meshing systems etc.

Dennis


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 3:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Fairgrounds WiFi

We are looking to upgrade some equipment we use to provide WiFi to a 
fairgrounds site.

Has anyone compared Cambium cnMaestro vs UBNT UniFi?  Good / Bad?

Looks like the Cambium E500 is not available yet.   Therefore thinking ePMP 
1000 Hotspot.   Can deployed Hotspot APs be grouped in cnMaestro so we can 
change wifi wpa passwords across multiple APs at once?

Is UniFi a good solution today?

Is Mikrotik with CAPsMan worth a look.

Any thoughts ideas appreciated.

Adam

Re: [AFMUG] Fairgrounds WiFi

[can...@believewireless.net]

In my experience, it depends on how captive the people are. If people are
up, moving around, drinking, eating, etc.
then you'll see some Facebook, Instagram, etc traffic. If they are sitting
down but can still move around and grab
food/drink, you'll see more connections. If people are sitting in the
stands for a long period of time, you'll see a
wider variety of traffic and a larger number of concurrent connections.

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 7:24 AM, Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> Is there any way to predict how many concurrent users to expect?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fairgrounds WiFi

[Jay Weekley]

Is there any way to predict how many concurrent users to expect?

Josh Reynolds wrote:


I'm deploying UniFi on 5.x codebase for a 15k person venue coming up 
in June.


I've used unifi many times before, and it works well.

On May 25, 2016 3:21 PM, "SmarterBroadband" 
> wrote:


We are looking to upgrade some equipment we use to provide WiFi to
a fairgrounds site.

Has anyone compared Cambium cnMaestro vs UBNT UniFi?  Good / Bad?

Looks like the Cambium E500 is not available yet.   Therefore
thinking ePMP 1000 Hotspot. Can deployed Hotspot APs be grouped in
cnMaestro so we can change wifi wpa passwords across multiple APs
at once?

Is UniFi a good solution today?

Is Mikrotik with CAPsMan worth a look.

Any thoughts ideas appreciated.

Adam

Re: [AFMUG] OT :Oh Good, Texas Is Considering a Textbook That Blames Undocumented Immigrants for Crime and Drugs

[Lewis Bergman]

Don't forget that kid is a liar? His family was fishing for something to
happen? That is a great example of a two sided sorry only having one side
told.  Not that the ISD didn't overreact, just that this is not a racial
story primarily.
But, to each his own. There are plenty of racist down here...heck...in many
places. Just that this story is not a great example of it.

On Wed, May 25, 2016, 11:31 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Yeah, and don't forget this incident:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Mohamed_clock_incident
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> I am contacting the guys from Culture Clash there is parody or satire
>> skit in here some where... first our history books call the African slaves
>> brought here as "guest workers" and now thisaye Dios mio,  como chingan
>> estos pendejos  I am the masses of my people and I will not be
>> absorbed... wow guess that's radical
>>
>> Oh Good, Texas Is Considering a Textbook That Blames Undocumented
>> Immigrants for Crime and Drugs
>>
>> http://www.slate.com/blogs/schooled/2016/05/25/mary_lou_bruner_loses_election_but_controversies_still_abound_at_texas_education.html
>>
>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>