Re: [AFMUG] What operates in 2.7 cm band?

[Eric Kuhnke]

8 GHz is used for two way NATO standard "X-Band" geostationary satellite
links. Various US DoD satellites have X-band transponders (in addition to
their Ka-band stuff). The equipment is very similar to C-band.



On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 8:04 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Guess I calculated wrongly... I got 9GHz.   Will check my math... Thanks
>
> On Aug 30, 2016 8:41 PM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:
>
>> I think that's 11ghz
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 30, 2016, Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Another interactive map

[George Skorup]

I know what group I belong in. Assholes (not so) Anonymous. We hate all 
people, even other AA members, with prejudice. I've nominated the old 
man for the title of Captain Asshole.


On 8/30/2016 11:08 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
I saw it from an article about them officially making white lives 
matter a hate group (no shit, you mean a group compromised primarily 
of white supremacists and white seperatists with a mix of white 
nationalists is a hate group? no way!) bit splc is pretty much a hate 
group anymore anyway, thats why all federal agencies have removed the 
links to them


On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:42 PM, Josh Reynolds > wrote:


It showed up on /r/all


On Aug 30, 2016 9:07 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"
> wrote:

lol, you get to the map from the white lives matter article too?

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 8:30 PM, Josh Reynolds
> wrote:

Fascinating. Also explains a lot.
https://www.splcenter.org/hate-map





-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see

your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part
of the team.




--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] What operates in 2.7 cm band?

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

i use online calculators cause my math and my memory are a bad mix


On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:04 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Guess I calculated wrongly... I got 9GHz.   Will check my math... Thanks
>
> On Aug 30, 2016 8:41 PM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:
>
>> I think that's 11ghz
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 30, 2016, Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>>
>>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Another interactive map

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I saw it from an article about them officially making white lives matter a
hate group (no shit, you mean a group compromised primarily of white
supremacists and white seperatists with a mix of white nationalists is a
hate group? no way!) bit splc is pretty much a hate group anymore anyway,
thats why all federal agencies have removed the links to them

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:42 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> It showed up on /r/all
>
> On Aug 30, 2016 9:07 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> lol, you get to the map from the white lives matter article too?
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 8:30 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Fascinating. Also explains a lot.
>>> https://www.splcenter.org/hate-map
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] What operates in 2.7 cm band?

[Jaime Solorza]

Yep 11 it is So Russian SETI team picked up signal from somewhere 94
light years away but only once.   Like Australian team that picked up their
microwave ovens and were confused for a bit.Tesla picked up a 7mhz
signal but source was not ET calling.

On Aug 30, 2016 9:04 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Guess I calculated wrongly... I got 9GHz.   Will check my math... Thanks
>
> On Aug 30, 2016 8:41 PM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:
>
>> I think that's 11ghz
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 30, 2016, Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] What operates in 2.7 cm band?

[Jaime Solorza]

Guess I calculated wrongly... I got 9GHz.   Will check my math... Thanks

On Aug 30, 2016 8:41 PM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:

> I think that's 11ghz
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 30, 2016, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Another interactive map

[Josh Reynolds]

It showed up on /r/all

On Aug 30, 2016 9:07 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> lol, you get to the map from the white lives matter article too?
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 8:30 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> Fascinating. Also explains a lot.
>> https://www.splcenter.org/hate-map
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] What operates in 2.7 cm band?

[Sean Heskett]

I think that's 11ghz



On Tuesday, August 30, 2016, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Any ideas?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik OSPF weirdness

[David Milholen]

Very true, no flap - no gap :)



On 8/29/2016 8:40 AM, Dennis Burgess wrote:


I have a network with 140 or so OSPF routers, around 1k routes without 
issues.  Its not the number of routes, nor the qty of routers, its how 
much breaks talk etc.  The network is very reliable and static for the 
most part, so OSPF don’t chatter too much at all.


Thanks,

*_Dennis Burgess_**– **Network Engineer/Consutant*

MikroTik Certified Trianer/Consultant 
 – 
MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE


Cambium ePMP Certified, Telrad Certified, Cisco CCNA

WISPA – Wireless Internet Service Providers Assoication – Director

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net 



RF Mapping: www.towercoverage.com 

Office: 314-735-0270

dmburg...@linktechs.net 

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
*Sent:* Saturday, August 27, 2016 10:53 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik OSPF weirdness

Very common deployment model … typically in larger networks.

Having said that, and as someone else mentioned I believe, folks often 
feel that OSFP can’t “scale” at all and begin feeling somewhat 
“forced” into OSPF for LB/P2P and iBGP for routes as soon as they get 
10,20,30 routers in their network and perhaps a couple of hundred 
subnets.  This is simply not typical and OSPF can be much larger in 
scale before performance is impacted significantly


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jesse DuPont
*Sent:* August 26, 2016 12:04 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik OSPF weirdness

Right, PTP and loopback prefixes are distributed with OSPF (and 
possibly management subnets for radios) and "access" network prefixes 
(customer-facing) are distributed via iBGP.
I have two of my routers configured as BGP route reflectors and all 
other routers peer with only these two; this solves the full mesh and 
provides redundancy.


*_Jesse DuPont_*

Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net 


Celerity Networks LLC

Celerity Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc

Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband

On 8/25/16 8:40 PM, David Milholen wrote:

He may have meant only have the ptp and loopback addresses listed
in networks

On 8/25/2016 9:31 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

I've heard this concept a few times now. I'm not sure how only
using OSPF for the loopbacks works.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 







*From: *"Bruce Robertson"  
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Thursday, August 25, 2016 6:28:43 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik OSPF weirdness

I've said it before, and been argued with... this is one of
many reasons why you use iBGP to distribute {customer, dynamic
pool, server subnets, anything} routes, and use OSPF *only* to
distribute router loopback addresses.� All your weird OSPF
problems will go away.� My apologies if I'm misunderstanding
the problem, but my point still stands.

On 08/25/2016 10:22 AM, Robert Haas wrote:

Alright, this problem has raised it head again on my
network since I started to renumber some PPPoE pools.

Customer gets a new IP address via PPPoE x.x.x.208/32
(from x.x.x.192/27 pool). Customer can�t surf and I
can�t ping them from my office:

�

[office] � [Bernie Router] � [Braggcity Router] �
[Ross Router] � [Hayti Router] � [customer]

�

A traceroute from my office dies @ the Bernie router but I
am not getting any type of ICMP response from the Bernie
router ie no ICMP Host Unreachable/Dest unreachable etc
� just blackholes after my office router.

A traceroute from the Customer to the office again dies at
the Bernie router with no type of response.

�

Checking the routing table on the Bernie 

Re: [AFMUG] (OSPF + ibgp) / formerly Mikrotik OSPF weirdness

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I always want more details


On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 6:23 PM, Bruce Robertson  wrote:

> Communities.  Lemme know if you need more detail on that.  I'm a little
> pressed for time right now.
>
>
> On 08/30/2016 03:23 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>
> I have a follow up question in regards to this...
>
> How do you prevent having ebgp routes being sent to your smaller routers
> which are doing ibgp with the Route Reflectors ?
>
> Are you using filters ?  or some there method ?
>
>
> Thanks.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Jesse DuPont" 
> 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, August 26, 2016 11:36:42 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] (OSPF + ibgp) / formerly Mikrotik OSPF weirdness
>
> For me, it was a bit of an experiment, but I have ended up liking it. Yes,
> it does add some overhead, but I didn't have to add routers to be the route
> reflectors - I just chose two routers which provided good geographic
> redundancy balanced with being as well-connected as possible to the rest of
> the routers and checked the "route reflect to peers" box. Route reflecting
> is really no more intensive than just BGP peering; probably most already
> know this, but the only different between a route reflector and a non-route
> reflector is that at route reflector is allowed to break the iBGP rule of
> not disseminating routes learned from one peer to another peer.
>
> One of the things I really like about using BGP for access prefixes is
> that I don't have to mess with filters or using non-backbone areas and
> area-ranges to summarize pools used for things like PPPoE. It's nice that
> more recent versions of MikroTik automate adding the U route of a
> summarized area-range after the first connected route shows up, but with
> BGP, I simply add the prefix to Networks and it's done.
>
> Another advantage, albeit a "band-aid" one is that if I'm having some link
> quality issue that is ultimately causing OSPF to lose adjacency (packet
> loss causing dropped Hello's, for example, or some jackass carrier
> providing a circuit that upgrades their platform and they don't read the
> release notes and multicast gets dropped...), I can deploy a small handful
> of static routes to improve stability slightly until I can resolve the
> issue (just a small time saver).
>
> Obviously, none of this functionality REQUIRES the use of BGP and it can
> all be done using OSPF. Indeed, while I'm using OSPF + iBGP in my WISP, the
> telco I'm also the network architect/engineer at uses only OSPF as the IGP
> and we have thousands of internal OSPF routes and dozens of routers in the
> backbone area (along with others in non-backbone areas) and it's extremely
> stable. I think its easy to misinterpret problems which manifest themselves
> as OSPF issues, but are really just OSPF reacting to some other condition;
> the canary in the coal mine, if you will.
>
>  If you're having issues with OSPF losing adjacencies or changing
> from full to down or full to init, you've got some problem with the link.
> Period. OSPF is not the problem. OSPF has been stable in MikroTiks since
> 3.x.
>
> *Jesse DuPont*
>
> Network Architect
> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
> Celerity Networks LLC
>
> Celerity Broadband LLC
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
>
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
> On 8/26/16 1:16 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>
> So just for the sake of a technical discussion...
>
> In your opinion, what is the merit of such a config (osfp + ibgp) ?
>
> It can be argued that such a config,
>   a) Still depends on OSPF functioning.
>   b) Layer an additional dynamic protocol on top of it (ibgp)
>   c) Requires additional  Routers (route reflectors).
>
> If the merit of such an approach is to manage manage OSFP behavior in a
>  more granular fashion,  Why not use the those features as they are
> available in  OSPF / Best Practices...
>(OSFP  best practices, suggest that, don't advertise connected or
> static routes, setup all interfaces as passive, and control prefix
> advertisements via the network section of OSPF).
>
> OSPF also tends to be the most common denominator (protocol) across
> different mfg.  Bgp being the 2nd.
>
> Regards
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Jesse DuPont" 
> 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, August 26, 2016 12:03:58 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik OSPF weirdness
>
> Right, PTP and loopback prefixes are distributed with OSPF (and possibly
> management subnets for radios) and "access" 

[AFMUG] customer profit tracking

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

is there a system, ideally a module for quickbooks, that isnt a 10k or more
cost that would have the ability to track, cleanly, and elegantly, profit
per customer, taking into account whatever you choose, like labor costs for
that account, sales tax, whatever, etc? Its a two fold query, one for
reporting (customer hits X profit threshold, send them a summer sausage and
free goat) as well for employee retention (commission)


Retention example would be dedicating 5% profit to employee retention. 2%
to the original sales agent (recoups to the employee fund one year after an
employee exits), and 3% to service agents (installer, service call,
whatever)

Id really like to think something like this is an available module to
something like quickbooks without having to do something like custom
crystal reports to get the info

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Another interactive map

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

lol, you get to the map from the white lives matter article too?

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 8:30 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Fascinating. Also explains a lot.
> https://www.splcenter.org/hate-map
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Mandatory Product Recall, Stop Work Order. Open ASAP

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

yeah, bit it appears there is also the option to get a better unit.


On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 7:47 PM, Jerry Head 
wrote:

> Don't think it is a marketing ploy since they GIVE you a new model upon
> receipt of the old one.
>
>
> On 8/30/2016 11:41 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> is that an actual recall or a slick marketing ploy?
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> Crap. I think that's the model I have.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
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[AFMUG] OT: Another interactive map

[Josh Reynolds]

Fascinating. Also explains a lot.
https://www.splcenter.org/hate-map

Re: [AFMUG] (OSPF + ibgp) / formerly Mikrotik OSPF weirdness

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Hi Bruce, 

Thank you for the offer, and Yes, I am very much interested in the details, if 
you can share at your convenience. 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Bruce Robertson" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 7:23:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] (OSPF + ibgp) / formerly Mikrotik OSPF weirdness

> Communities. Lemme know if you need more detail on that. I'm a little pressed
> for time right now.

> On 08/30/2016 03:23 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

>> I have a follow up question in regards to this...

>> How do you prevent having ebgp routes being sent to your smaller routers 
>> which
>> are doing ibgp with the Route Reflectors ?

>> Are you using filters ? or some there method ?

>> Thanks.

>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>>> From: "Jesse DuPont" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 11:36:42 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] (OSPF + ibgp) / formerly Mikrotik OSPF weirdness

>>> For me, it was a bit of an experiment, but I have ended up liking it. Yes, 
>>> it
>>> does add some overhead, but I didn't have to add routers to be the route
>>> reflectors - I just chose two routers which provided good geographic 
>>> redundancy
>>> balanced with being as well-connected as possible to the rest of the routers
>>> and checked the "route reflect to peers" box. Route reflecting is really no
>>> more intensive than just BGP peering; probably most already know this, but 
>>> the
>>> only different between a route reflector and a non-route reflector is that 
>>> at
>>> route reflector is allowed to break the iBGP rule of not disseminating 
>>> routes
>>> learned from one peer to another peer.

>>> One of the things I really like about using BGP for access prefixes is that 
>>> I
>>> don't have to mess with filters or using non-backbone areas and area-ranges 
>>> to
>>> summarize pools used for things like PPPoE. It's nice that more recent 
>>> versions
>>> of MikroTik automate adding the U route of a summarized area-range after the
>>> first connected route shows up, but with BGP, I simply add the prefix to
>>> Networks and it's done.

>>> Another advantage, albeit a "band-aid" one is that if I'm having some link
>>> quality issue that is ultimately causing OSPF to lose adjacency (packet loss
>>> causing dropped Hello's, for example, or some jackass carrier providing a
>>> circuit that upgrades their platform and they don't read the release notes 
>>> and
>>> multicast gets dropped...), I can deploy a small handful of static routes to
>>> improve stability slightly until I can resolve the issue (just a small time
>>> saver).

>>> Obviously, none of this functionality REQUIRES the use of BGP and it can 
>>> all be
>>> done using OSPF. Indeed, while I'm using OSPF + iBGP in my WISP, the telco 
>>> I'm
>>> also the network architect/engineer at uses only OSPF as the IGP and we have
>>> thousands of internal OSPF routes and dozens of routers in the backbone area
>>> (along with others in non-backbone areas) and it's extremely stable. I think
>>> its easy to misinterpret problems which manifest themselves as OSPF issues, 
>>> but
>>> are really just OSPF reacting to some other condition; the canary in the 
>>> coal
>>> mine, if you will.

>>>  If you're having issues with OSPF losing adjacencies or changing from
>>> full to down or full to init, you've got some problem with the link. Period.
>>> OSPF is not the problem. OSPF has been stable in MikroTiks since 3.x.

>>> Jesse DuPont

>>> Network Architect
>>> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
>>> Celerity Networks LLC

>>> Celerity Broadband LLC
>>> Like us! facebook.com / celeritynetworksllc

>>> Like us! facebook.com /celeritybroadband
>>> On 8/26/16 1:16 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

 So just for the sake of a technical discussion...

 In your opinion, what is the merit of such a config (osfp + ibgp) ?

 It can be argued that such a config,
 a) Still depends on OSPF functioning.
 b) Layer an additional dynamic protocol on top of it (ibgp)
 c) Requires additional Routers (route reflectors).

 If the merit of such an approach is to manage manage OSFP behavior in a 
 more
 granular fashion, Why not use the those features as they are available in 
 OSPF
 / Best Practices...
 (OSFP best practices, suggest that, don't advertise connected or static 
 routes,
 setup all interfaces as passive, and control prefix advertisements via the
 network section of OSPF).

 OSPF also tends to be the most common denominator (protocol) across 
 different
 mfg. Bgp being the 2nd.

 Regards

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet & 

[AFMUG] What operates in 2.7 cm band?

[Jaime Solorza]

Any ideas?

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B11 issue

[Jaime Solorza]

But it does happen

On Aug 30, 2016 5:16 PM, "Daniel White"  wrote:

> Well if it is the dish… it would be the feedhorn.
>
>
>
> Bad feedhorns are so rare with Radiowaves, RFS, Commscope I didn’t even
> think about it.
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
>
> ConVergence Technologies
>
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>
> dwh...@converge-tech.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2016 5:32 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B11 issue
>
>
>
> i guess that's a possibility.  the only other dish we have available is a
> 3' that is for the other link we are installing, guess we could try that
> just to see what happens.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Did you swap dishes?  I have had bad dishes right out of the box...
> Especially the first 1 ft.  5GHz dishes from Radio waves way back when God
> was a child.
>
>
>
> On Aug 30, 2016 3:36 PM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:
>
> i guess you could ask what would make one side of a link 10db weaker than
> the other.
>
>
>
> mimosa tech support seems to be stumped as well.  not sure where to go
> from here.  The B5s we've used are awesome...the B11 so far seems a bit
> half baked :-/
>
>
>
> -sean
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> I will attending a Mimosa certification class tomorrow all day... Any
> questions I should ask?
>
>
>
> On Aug 30, 2016 11:21 AM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:
>
> Hi Gang,
>
>
>
> I've already contacted mimosa support and they seem to be stumped too, so
> i thought I'd check with y'all to see if you've seen the same issue.
>
>
>
> We have a B11 link that is 6 miles clear LOS (we currently have a
> dragonwave horizon compact plus 18Ghz link in place that the B11 will be
> replacing).  The PCN states we should have a -42.5 the B11 interface states
> we should have a -40.9.  On the near side with is also the AP side we have
> a -42 (as expected) however on the far side (station side) we have a
> -53.2.  Both sides are using the Jirous 2' dishes.  We've tried swapping
> radios on both sides, i've downgraded to 1.3.1 and back to 1.4.1 and we've
> moved the dishes 5' vertically on both sides with no change.  the station
> side is always about 10-12db worse.  We are not on a sidelobe since the
> other radio is at expected signal level.
>
>
>
> Mimosa has stated they are "looking into it" and they have another
> customer with a similar problem.  I've provided them VPN access and they
> have run some diagnostic scripts.  It's been almost 2 weeks since I first
> contacted mimosa and they don't have any answer other than "we are working
> on it".
>
>
>
> I'm ready to switch vendors to another product. We have to get this link
> live because it's going to start snowing here soon.  Anyone else have this
> issue or have any other ideas of what to try??
>
>
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>  Virus-free.
> www.avast.com
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Alternative to KP Performance Dual Pol - Dual Frequency sector

[Chuck Hogg]

I'll sell my itelites for a good price...75% off!

On Tuesday, August 30, 2016, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Those aren't shipping yet are they?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Aug 30, 2016 6:20 PM, "Jason Wilson"  > wrote:
>
>> http://www.ignitenet.com/products/fusion-sector/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Jason Wilson
>> Remotely Located
>> Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
>> 530-651-1736
>> 530-748-9608 Cell
>> www.remotelylocated.com
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Dual band.  One mount point double the capacity.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Aug 30, 2016 5:25 PM, "Daniel White" >> > wrote:
>>>
 RF Elements is the OEM on the old Cambium ePMP sectors.  The new 5GHz
 ones are pretty slick… and well priced.



 Is there a reason not to use the Cambium setup?



 Daniel White

 Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

 ConVergence Technologies

 Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

 dwh...@converge-tech.com
 



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
 ] *On Behalf Of *Paul
 McCall
 *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2016 12:57 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com 
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] Alternative to KP Performance Dual Pol - Dual
 Frequency sector



 Anybody have success with another manufacturer on these for us with a
 Cambium EPMP 2.4 (supposedly X polarity) and ePMP   5 Ghz V/H polarity



 KP is very ‘spensive



 Paul McCall, President

 PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

 658 Old Dixie Highway

 Vero Beach, FL 32962

 772-564-6800

 pa...@pdmnet.net 

 www.pdmnet.com

 www.floridabroadband.com






 
  Virus-free.
 www.avast.com
 

>>>
>>

-- 
Regards,
Chuck

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B11 issue

[George Skorup]

How is the link coordinated? Split like FDD or both frequencies at both 
ends? You could try flipping frequencies around and see if the low RSL 
follows.


I have a couple regular FDD links with the symptoms you describe. One I 
know is a Tx or Rx problem at one end or the other since the Rx at one 
side dropped 6dB in 10 minutes out of the clear blue one day and hasn't 
changed since. Not worth replacing until one end or the other dies. Then 
another link was perfect at -42dBm both directions until we had to 
re-mount one end and moved down 1 to 2 feet. Looks like we ended up 
getting just on the tip of a knife-edge diffraction point somewhere 
along the path with that small change. Now in the morning, one side will 
fade about 5dB, they'll equalize around noon and then the other end will 
drop 5dB in the afternoon.


Moral of the story is to not rule out a path issue. But a defective 
radio is certainly possible.


On 8/30/2016 4:36 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
i guess you could ask what would make one side of a link 10db weaker 
than the other.


mimosa tech support seems to be stumped as well.  not sure where to go 
from here.  The B5s we've used are awesome...the B11 so far seems a 
bit half baked :-/


-sean


On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:


I will attending a Mimosa certification class tomorrow all day...
Any questions I should ask?


On Aug 30, 2016 11:21 AM, "Sean Heskett" > wrote:

Hi Gang,

I've already contacted mimosa support and they seem to be
stumped too, so i thought I'd check with y'all to see if
you've seen the same issue.

We have a B11 link that is 6 miles clear LOS (we currently
have a dragonwave horizon compact plus 18Ghz link in place
that the B11 will be replacing).  The PCN states we should
have a -42.5 the B11 interface states we should have a -40.9. 
On the near side with is also the AP side we have a -42 (as

expected) however on the far side (station side) we have a
-53.2.  Both sides are using the Jirous 2' dishes.  We've
tried swapping radios on both sides, i've downgraded to 1.3.1
and back to 1.4.1 and we've moved the dishes 5' vertically on
both sides with no change.  the station side is always about
10-12db worse.  We are not on a sidelobe since the other radio
is at expected signal level.

Mimosa has stated they are "looking into it" and they have
another customer with a similar problem.  I've provided them
VPN access and they have run some diagnostic scripts.  It's
been almost 2 weeks since I first contacted mimosa and they
don't have any answer other than "we are working on it".

I'm ready to switch vendors to another product. We have to get
this link live because it's going to start snowing here soon. 
Anyone else have this issue or have any other ideas of what to

try??

-Sean

Re: [AFMUG] (OSPF + ibgp) / formerly Mikrotik OSPF weirdness

[Bruce Robertson]

Communities.  Lemme know if you need more detail on that.  I'm a little 
pressed for time right now.


On 08/30/2016 03:23 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

I have a follow up question in regards to this...

How do you prevent having ebgp routes being sent to your smaller 
routers which are doing ibgp with the Route Reflectors ?


Are you using filters ?  or some there method ?


Thanks.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net



*From: *"Jesse DuPont" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Friday, August 26, 2016 11:36:42 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] (OSPF + ibgp) / formerly Mikrotik OSPF
weirdness

For me, it was a bit of an experiment, but I have ended up liking
it. Yes, it does add some overhead, but I didn't have to add
routers to be the route reflectors - I just chose two routers
which provided good geographic redundancy balanced with being as
well-connected as possible to the rest of the routers and checked
the "route reflect to peers" box. Route reflecting is really no
more intensive than just BGP peering; probably most already know
this, but the only different between a route reflector and a
non-route reflector is that at route reflector is allowed to break
the iBGP rule of not disseminating routes learned from one peer to
another peer.

One of the things I really like about using BGP for access
prefixes is that I don't have to mess with filters or using
non-backbone areas and area-ranges to summarize pools used for
things like PPPoE. It's nice that more recent versions of MikroTik
automate adding the U route of a summarized area-range after the
first connected route shows up, but with BGP, I simply add the
prefix to Networks and it's done.

Another advantage, albeit a "band-aid" one is that if I'm having
some link quality issue that is ultimately causing OSPF to lose
adjacency (packet loss causing dropped Hello's, for example, or
some jackass carrier providing a circuit that upgrades their
platform and they don't read the release notes and multicast gets
dropped...), I can deploy a small handful of static routes to
improve stability slightly until I can resolve the issue (just a
small time saver).

Obviously, none of this functionality REQUIRES the use of BGP and
it can all be done using OSPF. Indeed, while I'm using OSPF + iBGP
in my WISP, the telco I'm also the network architect/engineer at
uses only OSPF as the IGP and we have thousands of internal OSPF
routes and dozens of routers in the backbone area (along with
others in non-backbone areas) and it's extremely stable. I think
its easy to misinterpret problems which manifest themselves as
OSPF issues, but are really just OSPF reacting to some other
condition; the canary in the coal mine, if you will.

 If you're having issues with OSPF losing adjacencies or
changing from full to down or full to init, you've got some
problem with the link. Period. OSPF is not the problem. OSPF has
been stable in MikroTiks since 3.x.

*Jesse DuPont*

Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
Celerity Networks LLC

Celerity Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc

Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband

On 8/26/16 1:16 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

So just for the sake of a technical discussion...

In your opinion, what is the merit of such a config (osfp +
ibgp) ?

It can be argued that such a config,
  a) Still depends on OSPF functioning.
  b) Layer an additional dynamic protocol on top of it (ibgp)
  c) Requires additional  Routers (route reflectors).

If the merit of such an approach is to manage manage OSFP
behavior in a  more granular fashion,  Why not use the those
features as they are available in  OSPF / Best Practices...
   (OSFP  best practices, suggest that, don't advertise
connected or static routes, setup all interfaces as passive,
and control prefix advertisements via the network section of
OSPF).

OSPF also tends to be the most common denominator (protocol)
across different mfg.  Bgp being the 2nd.

Regards

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email:
supp...@snappytelecom.net



*From: *"Jesse DuPont" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Friday, August 26, 2016 12:03:58 AM

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B11 issue

[Eric Kuhnke]

I have really not been impressed with Radiowaves' quality control in the
past. We bought a whole series of 80 GHz 60 cm high performance dishes
(cylindrical waveguide) which came with lots of little metal bits rolling
around inside them. They'd drilled out the holes for the side shroud radome
attachment as the last step in the manufacturing process, leaving all the
drill shavings inside the dish. Many metal shavings trapped inside the
side-wall foam.

I discovered this by picking one up to mount a radio on it. When I rotated
the dish 90 degrees I heard a ticking sound of small metal scrapings
bouncing around on the interior surface of the dish.

There was nothing wrong with the feed/waveguide assembly, however.

Fun times.


On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Daniel White  wrote:

> Well if it is the dish… it would be the feedhorn.
>
>
>
> Bad feedhorns are so rare with Radiowaves, RFS, Commscope I didn’t even
> think about it.
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
>
> ConVergence Technologies
>
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>
> dwh...@converge-tech.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2016 5:32 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B11 issue
>
>
>
> i guess that's a possibility.  the only other dish we have available is a
> 3' that is for the other link we are installing, guess we could try that
> just to see what happens.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Did you swap dishes?  I have had bad dishes right out of the box...
> Especially the first 1 ft.  5GHz dishes from Radio waves way back when God
> was a child.
>
>
>
> On Aug 30, 2016 3:36 PM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:
>
> i guess you could ask what would make one side of a link 10db weaker than
> the other.
>
>
>
> mimosa tech support seems to be stumped as well.  not sure where to go
> from here.  The B5s we've used are awesome...the B11 so far seems a bit
> half baked :-/
>
>
>
> -sean
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> I will attending a Mimosa certification class tomorrow all day... Any
> questions I should ask?
>
>
>
> On Aug 30, 2016 11:21 AM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:
>
> Hi Gang,
>
>
>
> I've already contacted mimosa support and they seem to be stumped too, so
> i thought I'd check with y'all to see if you've seen the same issue.
>
>
>
> We have a B11 link that is 6 miles clear LOS (we currently have a
> dragonwave horizon compact plus 18Ghz link in place that the B11 will be
> replacing).  The PCN states we should have a -42.5 the B11 interface states
> we should have a -40.9.  On the near side with is also the AP side we have
> a -42 (as expected) however on the far side (station side) we have a
> -53.2.  Both sides are using the Jirous 2' dishes.  We've tried swapping
> radios on both sides, i've downgraded to 1.3.1 and back to 1.4.1 and we've
> moved the dishes 5' vertically on both sides with no change.  the station
> side is always about 10-12db worse.  We are not on a sidelobe since the
> other radio is at expected signal level.
>
>
>
> Mimosa has stated they are "looking into it" and they have another
> customer with a similar problem.  I've provided them VPN access and they
> have run some diagnostic scripts.  It's been almost 2 weeks since I first
> contacted mimosa and they don't have any answer other than "we are working
> on it".
>
>
>
> I'm ready to switch vendors to another product. We have to get this link
> live because it's going to start snowing here soon.  Anyone else have this
> issue or have any other ideas of what to try??
>
>
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>  Virus-free.
> www.avast.com
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B11 issue

[Daniel White]

Well if it is the dish… it would be the feedhorn.



Bad feedhorns are so rare with Radiowaves, RFS, Commscope I didn’t even think 
about it.



Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

  dwh...@converge-tech.com



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 5:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B11 issue



i guess that's a possibility.  the only other dish we have available is a 3' 
that is for the other link we are installing, guess we could try that just to 
see what happens.



On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Jaime Solorza  > wrote:

Did you swap dishes?  I have had bad dishes right out of the box... Especially 
the first 1 ft.  5GHz dishes from Radio waves way back when God was a child.



On Aug 30, 2016 3:36 PM, "Sean Heskett"  > wrote:

i guess you could ask what would make one side of a link 10db weaker than the 
other.



mimosa tech support seems to be stumped as well.  not sure where to go from 
here.  The B5s we've used are awesome...the B11 so far seems a bit half baked 
:-/



-sean





On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Jaime Solorza  > wrote:

I will attending a Mimosa certification class tomorrow all day... Any questions 
I should ask?



On Aug 30, 2016 11:21 AM, "Sean Heskett"  > wrote:

Hi Gang,



I've already contacted mimosa support and they seem to be stumped too, so i 
thought I'd check with y'all to see if you've seen the same issue.



We have a B11 link that is 6 miles clear LOS (we currently have a dragonwave 
horizon compact plus 18Ghz link in place that the B11 will be replacing).  The 
PCN states we should have a -42.5 the B11 interface states we should have a 
-40.9.  On the near side with is also the AP side we have a -42 (as expected) 
however on the far side (station side) we have a -53.2.  Both sides are using 
the Jirous 2' dishes.  We've tried swapping radios on both sides, i've 
downgraded to 1.3.1 and back to 1.4.1 and we've moved the dishes 5' vertically 
on both sides with no change.  the station side is always about 10-12db worse.  
We are not on a sidelobe since the other radio is at expected signal level.



Mimosa has stated they are "looking into it" and they have another customer 
with a similar problem.  I've provided them VPN access and they have run some 
diagnostic scripts.  It's been almost 2 weeks since I first contacted mimosa 
and they don't have any answer other than "we are working on it".



I'm ready to switch vendors to another product. We have to get this link live 
because it's going to start snowing here soon.  Anyone else have this issue or 
have any other ideas of what to try??



-Sean









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Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B11 issue

[Sean Heskett]

i guess that's a possibility.  the only other dish we have available is a
3' that is for the other link we are installing, guess we could try that
just to see what happens.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Did you swap dishes?  I have had bad dishes right out of the box...
> Especially the first 1 ft.  5GHz dishes from Radio waves way back when God
> was a child.
>
> On Aug 30, 2016 3:36 PM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:
>
>> i guess you could ask what would make one side of a link 10db weaker than
>> the other.
>>
>> mimosa tech support seems to be stumped as well.  not sure where to go
>> from here.  The B5s we've used are awesome...the B11 so far seems a bit
>> half baked :-/
>>
>> -sean
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I will attending a Mimosa certification class tomorrow all day... Any
>>> questions I should ask?
>>>
>>> On Aug 30, 2016 11:21 AM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Gang,

 I've already contacted mimosa support and they seem to be stumped too,
 so i thought I'd check with y'all to see if you've seen the same issue.

 We have a B11 link that is 6 miles clear LOS (we currently have a
 dragonwave horizon compact plus 18Ghz link in place that the B11 will be
 replacing).  The PCN states we should have a -42.5 the B11 interface states
 we should have a -40.9.  On the near side with is also the AP side we have
 a -42 (as expected) however on the far side (station side) we have a
 -53.2.  Both sides are using the Jirous 2' dishes.  We've tried swapping
 radios on both sides, i've downgraded to 1.3.1 and back to 1.4.1 and we've
 moved the dishes 5' vertically on both sides with no change.  the station
 side is always about 10-12db worse.  We are not on a sidelobe since the
 other radio is at expected signal level.

 Mimosa has stated they are "looking into it" and they have another
 customer with a similar problem.  I've provided them VPN access and they
 have run some diagnostic scripts.  It's been almost 2 weeks since I first
 contacted mimosa and they don't have any answer other than "we are working
 on it".

 I'm ready to switch vendors to another product. We have to get this
 link live because it's going to start snowing here soon.  Anyone else have
 this issue or have any other ideas of what to try??

 -Sean


>>

Re: [AFMUG] Alternative to KP Performance Dual Pol - Dual Frequency sector

[Josh Luthman]

Those aren't shipping yet are they?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Aug 30, 2016 6:20 PM, "Jason Wilson"  wrote:

> http://www.ignitenet.com/products/fusion-sector/
>
>
>
>
> Jason Wilson
> Remotely Located
> Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
> 530-651-1736
> 530-748-9608 Cell
> www.remotelylocated.com
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> Dual band.  One mount point double the capacity.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Aug 30, 2016 5:25 PM, "Daniel White"  wrote:
>>
>>> RF Elements is the OEM on the old Cambium ePMP sectors.  The new 5GHz
>>> ones are pretty slick… and well priced.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is there a reason not to use the Cambium setup?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Daniel White
>>>
>>> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
>>>
>>> ConVergence Technologies
>>>
>>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>>>
>>> dwh...@converge-tech.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2016 12:57 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Alternative to KP Performance Dual Pol - Dual
>>> Frequency sector
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Anybody have success with another manufacturer on these for us with a
>>> Cambium EPMP 2.4 (supposedly X polarity) and ePMP   5 Ghz V/H polarity
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> KP is very ‘spensive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul McCall, President
>>>
>>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>>
>>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>>
>>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>>
>>> 772-564-6800
>>>
>>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>>
>>> www.pdmnet.com
>>>
>>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>  Virus-free.
>>> www.avast.com
>>> 
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] (OSPF + ibgp) / formerly Mikrotik OSPF weirdness

[Faisal Imtiaz]

I have a follow up question in regards to this... 

How do you prevent having ebgp routes being sent to your smaller routers which 
are doing ibgp with the Route Reflectors ? 

Are you using filters ? or some there method ? 

Thanks. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Jesse DuPont" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 11:36:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] (OSPF + ibgp) / formerly Mikrotik OSPF weirdness

> For me, it was a bit of an experiment, but I have ended up liking it. Yes, it
> does add some overhead, but I didn't have to add routers to be the route
> reflectors - I just chose two routers which provided good geographic 
> redundancy
> balanced with being as well-connected as possible to the rest of the routers
> and checked the "route reflect to peers" box. Route reflecting is really no
> more intensive than just BGP peering; probably most already know this, but the
> only different between a route reflector and a non-route reflector is that at
> route reflector is allowed to break the iBGP rule of not disseminating routes
> learned from one peer to another peer.

> One of the things I really like about using BGP for access prefixes is that I
> don't have to mess with filters or using non-backbone areas and area-ranges to
> summarize pools used for things like PPPoE. It's nice that more recent 
> versions
> of MikroTik automate adding the U route of a summarized area-range after the
> first connected route shows up, but with BGP, I simply add the prefix to
> Networks and it's done.

> Another advantage, albeit a "band-aid" one is that if I'm having some link
> quality issue that is ultimately causing OSPF to lose adjacency (packet loss
> causing dropped Hello's, for example, or some jackass carrier providing a
> circuit that upgrades their platform and they don't read the release notes and
> multicast gets dropped...), I can deploy a small handful of static routes to
> improve stability slightly until I can resolve the issue (just a small time
> saver).

> Obviously, none of this functionality REQUIRES the use of BGP and it can all 
> be
> done using OSPF. Indeed, while I'm using OSPF + iBGP in my WISP, the telco I'm
> also the network architect/engineer at uses only OSPF as the IGP and we have
> thousands of internal OSPF routes and dozens of routers in the backbone area
> (along with others in non-backbone areas) and it's extremely stable. I think
> its easy to misinterpret problems which manifest themselves as OSPF issues, 
> but
> are really just OSPF reacting to some other condition; the canary in the coal
> mine, if you will.

>  If you're having issues with OSPF losing adjacencies or changing from
> full to down or full to init, you've got some problem with the link. Period.
> OSPF is not the problem. OSPF has been stable in MikroTiks since 3.x.

> Jesse DuPont

> Network Architect
> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
> Celerity Networks LLC

> Celerity Broadband LLC
> Like us! facebook.com / celeritynetworksllc

> Like us! facebook.com /celeritybroadband
> On 8/26/16 1:16 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

>> So just for the sake of a technical discussion...

>> In your opinion, what is the merit of such a config (osfp + ibgp) ?

>> It can be argued that such a config,
>> a) Still depends on OSPF functioning.
>> b) Layer an additional dynamic protocol on top of it (ibgp)
>> c) Requires additional Routers (route reflectors).

>> If the merit of such an approach is to manage manage OSFP behavior in a more
>> granular fashion, Why not use the those features as they are available in 
>> OSPF
>> / Best Practices...
>> (OSFP best practices, suggest that, don't advertise connected or static 
>> routes,
>> setup all interfaces as passive, and control prefix advertisements via the
>> network section of OSPF).

>> OSPF also tends to be the most common denominator (protocol) across different
>> mfg. Bgp being the 2nd.

>> Regards

>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>>> From: "Jesse DuPont" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 12:03:58 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik OSPF weirdness

>>> Right, PTP and loopback prefixes are distributed with OSPF (and possibly
>>> management subnets for radios) and "access" network prefixes 
>>> (customer-facing)
>>> are distributed via iBGP.
>>> I have two of my routers configured as BGP route reflectors and all other
>>> routers peer with only these two; this solves the full mesh and provides
>>> redundancy.

>>> Jesse DuPont

>>> Network Architect
>>> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
>>> Celerity Networks LLC

>>> Celerity Broadband LLC
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Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B11 issue

[Jaime Solorza]

Did you swap dishes?  I have had bad dishes right out of the box...
Especially the first 1 ft.  5GHz dishes from Radio waves way back when God
was a child.

On Aug 30, 2016 3:36 PM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:

> i guess you could ask what would make one side of a link 10db weaker than
> the other.
>
> mimosa tech support seems to be stumped as well.  not sure where to go
> from here.  The B5s we've used are awesome...the B11 so far seems a bit
> half baked :-/
>
> -sean
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Jaime Solorza  > wrote:
>
>> I will attending a Mimosa certification class tomorrow all day... Any
>> questions I should ask?
>>
>> On Aug 30, 2016 11:21 AM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Gang,
>>>
>>> I've already contacted mimosa support and they seem to be stumped too,
>>> so i thought I'd check with y'all to see if you've seen the same issue.
>>>
>>> We have a B11 link that is 6 miles clear LOS (we currently have a
>>> dragonwave horizon compact plus 18Ghz link in place that the B11 will be
>>> replacing).  The PCN states we should have a -42.5 the B11 interface states
>>> we should have a -40.9.  On the near side with is also the AP side we have
>>> a -42 (as expected) however on the far side (station side) we have a
>>> -53.2.  Both sides are using the Jirous 2' dishes.  We've tried swapping
>>> radios on both sides, i've downgraded to 1.3.1 and back to 1.4.1 and we've
>>> moved the dishes 5' vertically on both sides with no change.  the station
>>> side is always about 10-12db worse.  We are not on a sidelobe since the
>>> other radio is at expected signal level.
>>>
>>> Mimosa has stated they are "looking into it" and they have another
>>> customer with a similar problem.  I've provided them VPN access and they
>>> have run some diagnostic scripts.  It's been almost 2 weeks since I first
>>> contacted mimosa and they don't have any answer other than "we are working
>>> on it".
>>>
>>> I'm ready to switch vendors to another product. We have to get this link
>>> live because it's going to start snowing here soon.  Anyone else have this
>>> issue or have any other ideas of what to try??
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Alternative to KP Performance Dual Pol - Dual Frequency sector

[Josh Luthman]

Dual band.  One mount point double the capacity.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Aug 30, 2016 5:25 PM, "Daniel White"  wrote:

> RF Elements is the OEM on the old Cambium ePMP sectors.  The new 5GHz ones
> are pretty slick… and well priced.
>
>
>
> Is there a reason not to use the Cambium setup?
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
>
> ConVergence Technologies
>
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>
> dwh...@converge-tech.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2016 12:57 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Alternative to KP Performance Dual Pol - Dual
> Frequency sector
>
>
>
> Anybody have success with another manufacturer on these for us with a
> Cambium EPMP 2.4 (supposedly X polarity) and ePMP   5 Ghz V/H polarity
>
>
>
> KP is very ‘spensive
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
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>
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>
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>
> 772-564-6800
>
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>
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>
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>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B11 issue

[Sean Heskett]

we had another set of radios for a second link we are putting in and they
did the same thing.  LOS is for sure clear on both sides, it's from a roof
top to a mountain top water tank, we even moved both antennas 5' higher
just to be sure there wasn't anything on the roof top causing a reflection
(the water tank side is the weaker side)

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Daniel White  wrote:

> I got the feeling he had done that.
>
> Sean if you have not switched the radios from one site to the other - that
> should be your next step.
>
> Daniel White
> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
> ConVergence Technologies
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
> dwh...@converge-tech.com
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sam Morris
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 1:01 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B11 issue
> >
> > What happens if you make the station side the AP, and the AP side the
> > station (Switch their roles)?
> >
> > Sam
> >
> > On 8/30/2016 12:21 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
> > > Hi Gang,
> > >
> > > I've already contacted mimosa support and they seem to be stumped too,
> > > so i thought I'd check with y'all to see if you've seen the same issue.
> > >
> > > We have a B11 link that is 6 miles clear LOS (we currently have a
> > > dragonwave horizon compact plus 18Ghz link in place that the B11 will
> > > be replacing).  The PCN states we should have a -42.5 the B11
> > > interface states we should have a -40.9.  On the near side with is
> > > also the AP side we have a -42 (as expected) however on the far side
> > > (station side) we have a -53.2.  Both sides are using the Jirous 2'
> > > dishes.  We've tried swapping radios on both sides, i've downgraded to
> > > 1.3.1 and back to 1.4.1 and we've moved the dishes 5' vertically on
> > > both sides with no change.  the station side is always about 10-12db
> > > worse.  We are not on a sidelobe since the other radio is at expected
> signal
> > level.
> > >
> > > Mimosa has stated they are "looking into it" and they have another
> > > customer with a similar problem.  I've provided them VPN access and
> > > they have run some diagnostic scripts.  It's been almost 2 weeks since
> > > I first contacted mimosa and they don't have any answer other than "we
> > > are working on it".
> > >
> > > I'm ready to switch vendors to another product. We have to get this
> > > link live because it's going to start snowing here soon.  Anyone else
> > > have this issue or have any other ideas of what to try??
> > >
> > > -Sean
> > >
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B11 issue

[Sean Heskett]

i guess you could ask what would make one side of a link 10db weaker than
the other.

mimosa tech support seems to be stumped as well.  not sure where to go from
here.  The B5s we've used are awesome...the B11 so far seems a bit half
baked :-/

-sean


On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> I will attending a Mimosa certification class tomorrow all day... Any
> questions I should ask?
>
> On Aug 30, 2016 11:21 AM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:
>
>> Hi Gang,
>>
>> I've already contacted mimosa support and they seem to be stumped too, so
>> i thought I'd check with y'all to see if you've seen the same issue.
>>
>> We have a B11 link that is 6 miles clear LOS (we currently have a
>> dragonwave horizon compact plus 18Ghz link in place that the B11 will be
>> replacing).  The PCN states we should have a -42.5 the B11 interface states
>> we should have a -40.9.  On the near side with is also the AP side we have
>> a -42 (as expected) however on the far side (station side) we have a
>> -53.2.  Both sides are using the Jirous 2' dishes.  We've tried swapping
>> radios on both sides, i've downgraded to 1.3.1 and back to 1.4.1 and we've
>> moved the dishes 5' vertically on both sides with no change.  the station
>> side is always about 10-12db worse.  We are not on a sidelobe since the
>> other radio is at expected signal level.
>>
>> Mimosa has stated they are "looking into it" and they have another
>> customer with a similar problem.  I've provided them VPN access and they
>> have run some diagnostic scripts.  It's been almost 2 weeks since I first
>> contacted mimosa and they don't have any answer other than "we are working
>> on it".
>>
>> I'm ready to switch vendors to another product. We have to get this link
>> live because it's going to start snowing here soon.  Anyone else have this
>> issue or have any other ideas of what to try??
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Alternative to KP Performance Dual Pol - Dual Frequency sector

[SmarterBroadband]

I think Paul is talking about the dual frequency sectors.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel White
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 2:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alternative to KP Performance Dual Pol - Dual Frequency
sector

 

RF Elements is the OEM on the old Cambium ePMP sectors.  The new 5GHz ones
are pretty slick. and well priced.

 

Is there a reason not to use the Cambium setup?

 

Daniel White

Managing Director - Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

  dwh...@converge-tech.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 12:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Alternative to KP Performance Dual Pol - Dual Frequency
sector

 

Anybody have success with another manufacturer on these for us with a
Cambium EPMP 2.4 (supposedly X polarity) and ePMP   5 Ghz V/H polarity

 

KP is very 'spensive

 

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800  

pa...@pdmnet.net

www.pdmnet.com

www.floridabroadband.com

 

 

 


 
 

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Re: [AFMUG] Alternative to KP Performance Dual Pol - Dual Frequency sector

[Daniel White]

RF Elements is the OEM on the old Cambium ePMP sectors.  The new 5GHz ones
are pretty slick. and well priced.

 

Is there a reason not to use the Cambium setup?

 

Daniel White

Managing Director - Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

  dwh...@converge-tech.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 12:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Alternative to KP Performance Dual Pol - Dual Frequency
sector

 

Anybody have success with another manufacturer on these for us with a
Cambium EPMP 2.4 (supposedly X polarity) and ePMP   5 Ghz V/H polarity

 

KP is very 'spensive

 

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800  

pa...@pdmnet.net  

www.pdmnet.com  

www.floridabroadband.com  

 

 



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Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B11 issue

[Daniel White]

I got the feeling he had done that.

Sean if you have not switched the radios from one site to the other - that 
should be your next step.

Daniel White
Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
ConVergence Technologies
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
dwh...@converge-tech.com

> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sam Morris
> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 1:01 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B11 issue
>
> What happens if you make the station side the AP, and the AP side the
> station (Switch their roles)?
>
> Sam
>
> On 8/30/2016 12:21 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
> > Hi Gang,
> >
> > I've already contacted mimosa support and they seem to be stumped too,
> > so i thought I'd check with y'all to see if you've seen the same issue.
> >
> > We have a B11 link that is 6 miles clear LOS (we currently have a
> > dragonwave horizon compact plus 18Ghz link in place that the B11 will
> > be replacing).  The PCN states we should have a -42.5 the B11
> > interface states we should have a -40.9.  On the near side with is
> > also the AP side we have a -42 (as expected) however on the far side
> > (station side) we have a -53.2.  Both sides are using the Jirous 2'
> > dishes.  We've tried swapping radios on both sides, i've downgraded to
> > 1.3.1 and back to 1.4.1 and we've moved the dishes 5' vertically on
> > both sides with no change.  the station side is always about 10-12db
> > worse.  We are not on a sidelobe since the other radio is at expected signal
> level.
> >
> > Mimosa has stated they are "looking into it" and they have another
> > customer with a similar problem.  I've provided them VPN access and
> > they have run some diagnostic scripts.  It's been almost 2 weeks since
> > I first contacted mimosa and they don't have any answer other than "we
> > are working on it".
> >
> > I'm ready to switch vendors to another product. We have to get this
> > link live because it's going to start snowing here soon.  Anyone else
> > have this issue or have any other ideas of what to try??
> >
> > -Sean
> >


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Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B11 issue

[Daniel White]

If the issue stays at the same site, and does not follow the radio it is an RF 
path issue… or possibly a power issue causing problems.



Remember you changed frequency bands as well… clear LOS at 11GHz and clear LOS 
at 18GHz are not the same.



My guess would be a Fresnel zone obstruction near the side having issues.



Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

  dwh...@converge-tech.com



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 12:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Cc: memb...@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B11 issue



Actually take that back sounds like a calibration issue on the radio.



On Aug 30, 2016 12:30 PM, "Erich Kaiser"  > wrote:

Waveguide issue on dish? Wrong size ?



On Aug 30, 2016 12:21 PM, "Sean Heskett"  > wrote:

Hi Gang,



I've already contacted mimosa support and they seem to be stumped too, so i 
thought I'd check with y'all to see if you've seen the same issue.



We have a B11 link that is 6 miles clear LOS (we currently have a dragonwave 
horizon compact plus 18Ghz link in place that the B11 will be replacing).  The 
PCN states we should have a -42.5 the B11 interface states we should have a 
-40.9.  On the near side with is also the AP side we have a -42 (as expected) 
however on the far side (station side) we have a -53.2.  Both sides are using 
the Jirous 2' dishes.  We've tried swapping radios on both sides, i've 
downgraded to 1.3.1 and back to 1.4.1 and we've moved the dishes 5' vertically 
on both sides with no change.  the station side is always about 10-12db worse.  
We are not on a sidelobe since the other radio is at expected signal level.



Mimosa has stated they are "looking into it" and they have another customer 
with a similar problem.  I've provided them VPN access and they have run some 
diagnostic scripts.  It's been almost 2 weeks since I first contacted mimosa 
and they don't have any answer other than "we are working on it".



I'm ready to switch vendors to another product. We have to get this link live 
because it's going to start snowing here soon.  Anyone else have this issue or 
have any other ideas of what to try??



-Sean





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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Mimosa B11 issue

[Sean Heskett]

we have confirmed that we are using the correct bolts that came with the
radio to connect the radios to the Jirous dishes.  so it's not a bolt issue.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM, Nick Bright 
wrote:

> A friend of mine confirmed that you MUST use the bolts supplied by mimosa.
> He had used the bolts that came with the dish, and it was about a 10dB
> difference (worse).
>
>
> On 8/30/2016 12:31 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>
> radios are directly connected to the Jirous 2' dishes with the hardware
> supplied by mimosa.
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Erich Kaiser <
> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:
>
>> Waveguide issue on dish? Wrong size ?
>>
>> On Aug 30, 2016 12:21 PM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Gang,
>>>
>>> I've already contacted mimosa support and they seem to be stumped too,
>>> so i thought I'd check with y'all to see if you've seen the same issue.
>>>
>>> We have a B11 link that is 6 miles clear LOS (we currently have a
>>> dragonwave horizon compact plus 18Ghz link in place that the B11 will be
>>> replacing).  The PCN states we should have a -42.5 the B11 interface states
>>> we should have a -40.9.  On the near side with is also the AP side we have
>>> a -42 (as expected) however on the far side (station side) we have a
>>> -53.2.  Both sides are using the Jirous 2' dishes.  We've tried swapping
>>> radios on both sides, i've downgraded to 1.3.1 and back to 1.4.1 and we've
>>> moved the dishes 5' vertically on both sides with no change.  the station
>>> side is always about 10-12db worse.  We are not on a sidelobe since the
>>> other radio is at expected signal level.
>>>
>>> Mimosa has stated they are "looking into it" and they have another
>>> customer with a similar problem.  I've provided them VPN access and they
>>> have run some diagnostic scripts.  It's been almost 2 weeks since I first
>>> contacted mimosa and they don't have any answer other than "we are working
>>> on it".
>>>
>>> I'm ready to switch vendors to another product. We have to get this link
>>> live because it's going to start snowing here soon.  Anyone else have this
>>> issue or have any other ideas of what to try??
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] TowerCoverage and Liquor

[Josh Luthman]

Bottle of blue XR if they do.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Aug 30, 2016 4:55 PM, "Christopher Tyler" 
wrote:

> Not going to WISPAPALOOZA but I'll send cash for that drink.
>
> --
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> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Sam Morris" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 2:50:59 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] TowerCoverage and Liquor
>
> Anyone with me on buying Jim a drink at WISPAPALOOZA if he will move
> Towercoverage off Windslows and onto Linux?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

[SmarterBroadband]

Yea, could be.  My memory is not that good….

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

 

I think that was AF5X you are thinking about.  The GPS sync ePMP have always 
been 802.3at compliant as far as I know?

 

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 1:54 PM, SmarterBroadband  
wrote:

How old is the radio?  I think there was a change to the power options on the 
sync radios at some time.  I seem to remember the earlier ones did not do 48V??

 

We run all our sync radios at 48v when using Netonixs.

 

Adam

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 8:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

 

It appears, due to the polarity, this cannot be done.  

Netonix does not have an option to put positive on 7&8.

So I need to figure out how to put it in a POE passive pass through mode it 
appears.  

 

From: Jordan Gregory   

Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:19 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

 

Just the standard 48V. 24 isn't enough and the 4pin 48VH isn't necessary.

 

On Aug 30, 2016 10:16 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

It has the GPS puck but I have not connected it yet.  Just playing.  

What Netonix poe setting do you use?

 

From: Jordan Gregory   

Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:15 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

 

GPS synced or not?

My ePMP 1000 w/ GPS are being powered by a netonix. SMs don't work though.

 

On Aug 30, 2016 10:11 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

When powering an ePMP, I notice that the power supply from Cambium shows 7&8 
positive, 4&5 return.  

Is it not possible to power it directly from a Netonix WS-12-DC?

 

Re: [AFMUG] TowerCoverage and Liquor

[Christopher Tyler]

Not going to WISPAPALOOZA but I'll send cash for that drink.

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- Original Message -
From: "Sam Morris" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 2:50:59 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] TowerCoverage and Liquor

Anyone with me on buying Jim a drink at WISPAPALOOZA if he will move 
Towercoverage off Windslows and onto Linux?

Re: [AFMUG] freestanding 25g max height

[Justin Wilson]

Per Rohn specs 30 feet.

After 40 it starts getting very wobbly.  I would not want to climb a 40+ foot 
unglued rohn, nor depend on it to outlast storms. 

Justin Wilson
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> On Aug 29, 2016, at 12:35 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have it in my head that you cannot go more than 35 feet on 25g above the 
> last bracket. 
> 
> We have a customer at an American Tower site adding 20-30 foot of tower to 
> his existing 25g. currently he has 20' with a bracket at ten foot on his 
> shelter (actually its at about 9')
> 
> at what height (minimal antenna load) does spec dictate he needs to guy this 
> thing? Im having a hard time with the spec sheets understanding. (this is 
> excluding whether he actually has AT permission or whether he has the correct 
> base for the additional height, I just dont want our guy hanging gear higher 
> than is safe(ish)
> 
> -- 
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] TowerCoverage and Liquor

[Sam Morris]

Anyone with me on buying Jim a drink at WISPAPALOOZA if he will move 
Towercoverage off Windslows and onto Linux?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Extending Dishtv over Fiber (Private property)

[Carl Peterson]

But it's only for SWM not sure if dish does that

> On Aug 30, 2016, at 2:42 PM, Carl Peterson  wrote:
> 
> What I sent is there newer system.  Supposed to be much cheaper but only 
> supports up to eight receivers.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 30, 2016, at 2:14 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>> 
>> In talking with Engineering at Zonu, they said that they need to be between 
>> the LNB and the multiswtich, not between the multiswitch and the receivers 
>> (what their drawing shows, maybe because it's Dish and not Directv)  he 
>> ballparked $8000-$1 for equipment.
>> 
>>> On 8/30/2016 1:01 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
>>> Thank you!  Any idea on Cost?  
>>> 
 On 8/30/2016 12:41 PM, Carl Peterson wrote:
 http://www.opticalzonu.com/jseries/swm-fiber-link/
 
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> No idea why that would not work as long as you have the proper bandwidth.
> However I think there may be some two way LNB switching on the coax.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:42 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Extending Dishtv over Fiber (Private property)
> 
> I have no experience with this, but couldn't you use a signal amplifier 
> out
> by the dish, powered over the coax?
> http://www.solidsignal.com/satellite-signal-amplifier-th.asp
> 
> Or is the issue that you don't want to extend the coax?
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Nate Burke
> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 11:21 AM
> To: Animal Farm
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Extending Dishtv over Fiber (Private property)
> 
> I've run into a situation where I need to install a TV dish about 700'
> away from where the TV will go because of heavy tree coverage. There is
> power and indoor space at the dish location, and there is already fiber
> run back to the house with multiple spare strands. 'People' I've talked
> to, say this is too far for a coax run. Searching online, it looks like
> there are some fiber options.   Dish network branded or a company called
> 'Dawnco', but the equipment is about the same price in the $6000+ range
> for a 4lnb setup.  Anyone come across a cheaper way to do it?  80 year
> old-Non-technical users, so need to maintain the DISH STB, no fancy
> streaming solutions.  The dish today is about 250' away from the house
> on coax, and it will drop out in the slightest rain because of the
> signal loss over the coax.
 
 
 
 -- 
 Carl Peterson
 PORT NETWORKS
 
 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
 
 Baltimore, MD 21202
 
 (410) 637-3707 
 
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Extending Dishtv over Fiber (Private property)

[Carl Peterson]

What I sent is there newer system.  Supposed to be much cheaper but only 
supports up to eight receivers.



> On Aug 30, 2016, at 2:14 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
> 
> In talking with Engineering at Zonu, they said that they need to be between 
> the LNB and the multiswtich, not between the multiswitch and the receivers 
> (what their drawing shows, maybe because it's Dish and not Directv)  he 
> ballparked $8000-$1 for equipment.
> 
>> On 8/30/2016 1:01 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
>> Thank you!  Any idea on Cost?  
>> 
>>> On 8/30/2016 12:41 PM, Carl Peterson wrote:
>>> http://www.opticalzonu.com/jseries/swm-fiber-link/
>>> 
 On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
 No idea why that would not work as long as you have the proper bandwidth.
 However I think there may be some two way LNB switching on the coax.
 
 -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof
 Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:42 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Extending Dishtv over Fiber (Private property)
 
 I have no experience with this, but couldn't you use a signal amplifier out
 by the dish, powered over the coax?
 http://www.solidsignal.com/satellite-signal-amplifier-th.asp
 
 Or is the issue that you don't want to extend the coax?
 
 
 -Original Message- From: Nate Burke
 Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 11:21 AM
 To: Animal Farm
 Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Extending Dishtv over Fiber (Private property)
 
 I've run into a situation where I need to install a TV dish about 700'
 away from where the TV will go because of heavy tree coverage. There is
 power and indoor space at the dish location, and there is already fiber
 run back to the house with multiple spare strands. 'People' I've talked
 to, say this is too far for a coax run. Searching online, it looks like
 there are some fiber options.   Dish network branded or a company called
 'Dawnco', but the equipment is about the same price in the $6000+ range
 for a 4lnb setup.  Anyone come across a cheaper way to do it?  80 year
 old-Non-technical users, so need to maintain the DISH STB, no fancy
 streaming solutions.  The dish today is about 250' away from the house
 on coax, and it will drop out in the slightest rain because of the
 signal loss over the coax.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Carl Peterson
>>> PORT NETWORKS
>>> 
>>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>>> 
>>> Baltimore, MD 21202
>>> 
>>> (410) 637-3707 
>>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Extending Dishtv over Fiber (Private property)

[Jason McKemie]

If you have to ask...

On Tuesday, August 30, 2016, Nate Burke  wrote:

> Thank you!  Any idea on Cost?
>
> On 8/30/2016 12:41 PM, Carl Peterson wrote:
>
> http://www.opticalzonu.com/jseries/swm-fiber-link/
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Chuck McCown  > wrote:
>
>> No idea why that would not work as long as you have the proper bandwidth.
>> However I think there may be some two way LNB switching on the coax.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:42 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Extending Dishtv over Fiber (Private property)
>>
>> I have no experience with this, but couldn't you use a signal amplifier
>> out
>> by the dish, powered over the coax?
>> http://www.solidsignal.com/satellite-signal-amplifier-th.asp
>>
>> Or is the issue that you don't want to extend the coax?
>>
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Nate Burke
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 11:21 AM
>> To: Animal Farm
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Extending Dishtv over Fiber (Private property)
>>
>> I've run into a situation where I need to install a TV dish about 700'
>> away from where the TV will go because of heavy tree coverage. There is
>> power and indoor space at the dish location, and there is already fiber
>> run back to the house with multiple spare strands. 'People' I've talked
>> to, say this is too far for a coax run. Searching online, it looks like
>> there are some fiber options.   Dish network branded or a company called
>> 'Dawnco', but the equipment is about the same price in the $6000+ range
>> for a 4lnb setup.  Anyone come across a cheaper way to do it?  80 year
>> old-Non-technical users, so need to maintain the DISH STB, no fancy
>> streaming solutions.  The dish today is about 250' away from the house
>> on coax, and it will drop out in the slightest rain because of the
>> signal loss over the coax.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> Carl Peterson
>
> *PORT NETWORKS*
>
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>
> Baltimore, MD 21202
>
> (410) 637-3707
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] [BULK] Alternative to KP Performance Dual Pol - Dual Frequency sector

[Josh Luthman]

Told you.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Aug 30, 2016 2:22 PM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:

> We tried ITELITE and it kinda was…. Bad on F/B
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Novak
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2016 2:12 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [BULK] Alternative to KP Performance Dual Pol -
> Dual Frequency sector
>
>
>
> KP is quality though...
>
>
>
> The only other one I have seen like that is ITELITE and I didn't hear good
> things due to bad FtB ratio.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Anybody have success with another manufacturer on these for us with a
> Cambium EPMP 2.4 (supposedly X polarity) and ePMP   5 Ghz V/H polarity
>
>
>
> KP is very ‘spensive
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] [BULK] Alternative to KP Performance Dual Pol - Dual Frequency sector

[Josh Luthman]

Please don't try the IT Elite dual band sectors.  Their FtB is like 0...or
+100...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 2:12 PM, Joe Novak  wrote:

> KP is quality though...
>
> The only other one I have seen like that is ITELITE and I didn't hear good
> things due to bad FtB ratio.
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
>> Anybody have success with another manufacturer on these for us with a
>> Cambium EPMP 2.4 (supposedly X polarity) and ePMP   5 Ghz V/H polarity
>>
>>
>>
>> KP is very ‘spensive
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, President
>>
>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>
>> 772-564-6800
>>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>
>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] [BULK] Alternative to KP Performance Dual Pol - Dual Frequency sector

[Paul McCall]

We tried ITELITE and it kinda was…. Bad on F/B

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Novak
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 2:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [BULK] Alternative to KP Performance Dual Pol - Dual 
Frequency sector

KP is quality though...

The only other one I have seen like that is ITELITE and I didn't hear good 
things due to bad FtB ratio.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
Anybody have success with another manufacturer on these for us with a Cambium 
EPMP 2.4 (supposedly X polarity) and ePMP   5 Ghz V/H polarity

KP is very ‘spensive

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Extending Dishtv over Fiber (Private property)

[Nate Burke]

In talking with Engineering at Zonu, they said that they need to be 
between the LNB and the multiswtich, not between the multiswitch and the 
receivers (what their drawing shows, maybe because it's Dish and not 
Directv)  he ballparked $8000-$1 for equipment.


On 8/30/2016 1:01 PM, Nate Burke wrote:

Thank you!  Any idea on Cost?

On 8/30/2016 12:41 PM, Carl Peterson wrote:

http://www.opticalzonu.com/jseries/swm-fiber-link/

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Chuck McCown > wrote:


No idea why that would not work as long as you have the proper
bandwidth.
However I think there may be some two way LNB switching on the coax.

-Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Extending Dishtv over Fiber (Private
property)

I have no experience with this, but couldn't you use a signal
amplifier out
by the dish, powered over the coax?
http://www.solidsignal.com/satellite-signal-amplifier-th.asp


Or is the issue that you don't want to extend the coax?


-Original Message- From: Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 11:21 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Extending Dishtv over Fiber (Private property)

I've run into a situation where I need to install a TV dish about
700'
away from where the TV will go because of heavy tree coverage.
There is
power and indoor space at the dish location, and there is already
fiber
run back to the house with multiple spare strands. 'People' I've
talked
to, say this is too far for a coax run. Searching online, it
looks like
there are some fiber options.   Dish network branded or a company
called
'Dawnco', but the equipment is about the same price in the $6000+
range
for a 4lnb setup.  Anyone come across a cheaper way to do it?  80
year
old-Non-technical users, so need to maintain the DISH STB, no fancy
streaming solutions.  The dish today is about 250' away from the
house
on coax, and it will drop out in the slightest rain because of the
signal loss over the coax.






--

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] Alternative to KP Performance Dual Pol - DualFrequencysector

[Chuck McCown]

Are we talking omni or sector antennas?
Never mind, it was in the subject line.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 12:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alternative to KP Performance Dual Pol - 
DualFrequencysector

Do huh?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 2:09 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Sectors?

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 12:07 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alternative to KP Performance Dual Pol - Dual 
Frequencysector

  Nope...


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 1:56 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

Anybody have success with another manufacturer on these for us with a 
Cambium EPMP 2.4 (supposedly X polarity) and ePMP   5 Ghz V/H polarity



KP is very ‘spensive



Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800  

pa...@pdmnet.net

www.pdmnet.com

www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Alternative to KP Performance Dual Pol - Dual Frequencysector

[Josh Luthman]

Do huh?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 2:09 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Sectors?
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2016 12:07 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Alternative to KP Performance Dual Pol - Dual
> Frequencysector
>
> Nope...
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 1:56 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
>> Anybody have success with another manufacturer on these for us with a
>> Cambium EPMP 2.4 (supposedly X polarity) and ePMP   5 Ghz V/H polarity
>>
>>
>>
>> KP is very ‘spensive
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, President
>>
>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>
>> 772-564-6800
>>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>
>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] [BULK] Alternative to KP Performance Dual Pol - Dual Frequency sector

[Joe Novak]

KP is quality though...

The only other one I have seen like that is ITELITE and I didn't hear good
things due to bad FtB ratio.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> Anybody have success with another manufacturer on these for us with a
> Cambium EPMP 2.4 (supposedly X polarity) and ePMP   5 Ghz V/H polarity
>
>
>
> KP is very ‘spensive
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B11 issue

[Jaime Solorza]

I will attending a Mimosa certification class tomorrow all day... Any
questions I should ask?

On Aug 30, 2016 11:21 AM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:

> Hi Gang,
>
> I've already contacted mimosa support and they seem to be stumped too, so
> i thought I'd check with y'all to see if you've seen the same issue.
>
> We have a B11 link that is 6 miles clear LOS (we currently have a
> dragonwave horizon compact plus 18Ghz link in place that the B11 will be
> replacing).  The PCN states we should have a -42.5 the B11 interface states
> we should have a -40.9.  On the near side with is also the AP side we have
> a -42 (as expected) however on the far side (station side) we have a
> -53.2.  Both sides are using the Jirous 2' dishes.  We've tried swapping
> radios on both sides, i've downgraded to 1.3.1 and back to 1.4.1 and we've
> moved the dishes 5' vertically on both sides with no change.  the station
> side is always about 10-12db worse.  We are not on a sidelobe since the
> other radio is at expected signal level.
>
> Mimosa has stated they are "looking into it" and they have another
> customer with a similar problem.  I've provided them VPN access and they
> have run some diagnostic scripts.  It's been almost 2 weeks since I first
> contacted mimosa and they don't have any answer other than "we are working
> on it".
>
> I'm ready to switch vendors to another product. We have to get this link
> live because it's going to start snowing here soon.  Anyone else have this
> issue or have any other ideas of what to try??
>
> -Sean
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Alternative to KP Performance Dual Pol - Dual Frequencysector

[Chuck McCown]

Sectors?

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 12:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alternative to KP Performance Dual Pol - Dual 
Frequencysector

Nope...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 1:56 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

  Anybody have success with another manufacturer on these for us with a Cambium 
EPMP 2.4 (supposedly X polarity) and ePMP   5 Ghz V/H polarity



  KP is very ‘spensive



  Paul McCall, President

  PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

  658 Old Dixie Highway

  Vero Beach, FL 32962

  772-564-6800  

  pa...@pdmnet.net

  www.pdmnet.com

  www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Alternative to KP Performance Dual Pol - Dual Frequency sector

[Josh Luthman]

Nope...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 1:56 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> Anybody have success with another manufacturer on these for us with a
> Cambium EPMP 2.4 (supposedly X polarity) and ePMP   5 Ghz V/H polarity
>
>
>
> KP is very ‘spensive
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Extending Dishtv over Fiber (Private property)

[Dennis Burgess]

Your google fu is strong!


Thanks,

Dennis Burgess – Network Engineer/Consutant
MikroTik Certified 
Trianer/Consultant
 – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
Cambium ePMP Certified, Telrad Certified, Cisco CCNA

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
RF Mapping: www.towercoverage.com
Office: 314-735-0270
dmburg...@linktechs.net

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 12:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Extending Dishtv over Fiber (Private property)

http://www.opticalzonu.com/jseries/swm-fiber-link/

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
No idea why that would not work as long as you have the proper bandwidth.
However I think there may be some two way LNB switching on the coax.

-Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Extending Dishtv over Fiber (Private property)

I have no experience with this, but couldn't you use a signal amplifier out
by the dish, powered over the coax?
http://www.solidsignal.com/satellite-signal-amplifier-th.asp

Or is the issue that you don't want to extend the coax?


-Original Message- From: Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 11:21 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Extending Dishtv over Fiber (Private property)
I've run into a situation where I need to install a TV dish about 700'
away from where the TV will go because of heavy tree coverage. There is
power and indoor space at the dish location, and there is already fiber
run back to the house with multiple spare strands. 'People' I've talked
to, say this is too far for a coax run. Searching online, it looks like
there are some fiber options.   Dish network branded or a company called
'Dawnco', but the equipment is about the same price in the $6000+ range
for a 4lnb setup.  Anyone come across a cheaper way to do it?  80 year
old-Non-technical users, so need to maintain the DISH STB, no fancy
streaming solutions.  The dish today is about 250' away from the house
on coax, and it will drop out in the slightest rain because of the
signal loss over the coax.





--

Carl Peterson

PORT NETWORKS

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Extending Dishtv over Fiber (Private property)

[Nate Burke]

Thank you!  Any idea on Cost?

On 8/30/2016 12:41 PM, Carl Peterson wrote:

http://www.opticalzonu.com/jseries/swm-fiber-link/

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Chuck McCown > wrote:


No idea why that would not work as long as you have the proper
bandwidth.
However I think there may be some two way LNB switching on the coax.

-Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Extending Dishtv over Fiber (Private
property)

I have no experience with this, but couldn't you use a signal
amplifier out
by the dish, powered over the coax?
http://www.solidsignal.com/satellite-signal-amplifier-th.asp


Or is the issue that you don't want to extend the coax?


-Original Message- From: Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 11:21 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Extending Dishtv over Fiber (Private property)

I've run into a situation where I need to install a TV dish about 700'
away from where the TV will go because of heavy tree coverage.
There is
power and indoor space at the dish location, and there is already
fiber
run back to the house with multiple spare strands. 'People' I've
talked
to, say this is too far for a coax run. Searching online, it looks
like
there are some fiber options.   Dish network branded or a company
called
'Dawnco', but the equipment is about the same price in the $6000+
range
for a 4lnb setup.  Anyone come across a cheaper way to do it?  80 year
old-Non-technical users, so need to maintain the DISH STB, no fancy
streaming solutions.  The dish today is about 250' away from the house
on coax, and it will drop out in the slightest rain because of the
signal loss over the coax.






--

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B11 issue

[Sam Morris]

What happens if you make the station side the AP, and the AP side the 
station (Switch their roles)?


Sam

On 8/30/2016 12:21 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:

Hi Gang,

I've already contacted mimosa support and they seem to be stumped too,
so i thought I'd check with y'all to see if you've seen the same issue.

We have a B11 link that is 6 miles clear LOS (we currently have a
dragonwave horizon compact plus 18Ghz link in place that the B11 will be
replacing).  The PCN states we should have a -42.5 the B11 interface
states we should have a -40.9.  On the near side with is also the AP
side we have a -42 (as expected) however on the far side (station side)
we have a -53.2.  Both sides are using the Jirous 2' dishes.  We've
tried swapping radios on both sides, i've downgraded to 1.3.1 and back
to 1.4.1 and we've moved the dishes 5' vertically on both sides with no
change.  the station side is always about 10-12db worse.  We are not on
a sidelobe since the other radio is at expected signal level.

Mimosa has stated they are "looking into it" and they have another
customer with a similar problem.  I've provided them VPN access and they
have run some diagnostic scripts.  It's been almost 2 weeks since I
first contacted mimosa and they don't have any answer other than "we are
working on it".

I'm ready to switch vendors to another product. We have to get this link
live because it's going to start snowing here soon.  Anyone else have
this issue or have any other ideas of what to try??

-Sean

Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

[Josh Baird]

I think that was AF5X you are thinking about.  The GPS sync ePMP have
always been 802.3at compliant as far as I know?

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 1:54 PM, SmarterBroadband <
li...@smarterbroadband.com> wrote:

> How old is the radio?  I think there was a change to the power options on
> the sync radios at some time.  I seem to remember the earlier ones did not
> do 48V??
>
>
>
> We run all our sync radios at 48v when using Netonixs.
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2016 8:23 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP
>
>
>
> It appears, due to the polarity, this cannot be done.
>
> Netonix does not have an option to put positive on 7&8.
>
> So I need to figure out how to put it in a POE passive pass through mode
> it appears.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jordan Gregory 
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:19 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP
>
>
>
> Just the standard 48V. 24 isn't enough and the 4pin 48VH isn't necessary.
>
>
>
> On Aug 30, 2016 10:16 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
> It has the GPS puck but I have not connected it yet.  Just playing.
>
> What Netonix poe setting do you use?
>
>
>
> *From:* Jordan Gregory 
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:15 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP
>
>
>
> GPS synced or not?
>
> My ePMP 1000 w/ GPS are being powered by a netonix. SMs don't work though.
>
>
>
> On Aug 30, 2016 10:11 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
> When powering an ePMP, I notice that the power supply from Cambium shows
> 7&8 positive, 4&5 return.
>
> Is it not possible to power it directly from a Netonix WS-12-DC?
>

[AFMUG] Alternative to KP Performance Dual Pol - Dual Frequency sector

[Paul McCall]

Anybody have success with another manufacturer on these for us with a Cambium 
EPMP 2.4 (supposedly X polarity) and ePMP   5 Ghz V/H polarity

KP is very 'spensive

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Extending Dishtv over Fiber (Private property)

[Chuck McCown]

There ya go!

From: Carl Peterson 
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 11:41 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Extending Dishtv over Fiber (Private property)

http://www.opticalzonu.com/jseries/swm-fiber-link/


On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  No idea why that would not work as long as you have the proper bandwidth.
  However I think there may be some two way LNB switching on the coax.

  -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof
  Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:42 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Extending Dishtv over Fiber (Private property)

  I have no experience with this, but couldn't you use a signal amplifier out
  by the dish, powered over the coax?
  http://www.solidsignal.com/satellite-signal-amplifier-th.asp

  Or is the issue that you don't want to extend the coax?


  -Original Message- From: Nate Burke
  Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 11:21 AM
  To: Animal Farm
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Extending Dishtv over Fiber (Private property)


  I've run into a situation where I need to install a TV dish about 700'
  away from where the TV will go because of heavy tree coverage. There is
  power and indoor space at the dish location, and there is already fiber
  run back to the house with multiple spare strands. 'People' I've talked
  to, say this is too far for a coax run. Searching online, it looks like
  there are some fiber options.   Dish network branded or a company called
  'Dawnco', but the equipment is about the same price in the $6000+ range
  for a 4lnb setup.  Anyone come across a cheaper way to do it?  80 year
  old-Non-technical users, so need to maintain the DISH STB, no fancy
  streaming solutions.  The dish today is about 250' away from the house
  on coax, and it will drop out in the slightest rain because of the
  signal loss over the coax.








-- 

Carl Peterson


PORT NETWORKS

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707 

Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

[SmarterBroadband]

How old is the radio?  I think there was a change to the power options on the 
sync radios at some time.  I seem to remember the earlier ones did not do 48V??

 

We run all our sync radios at 48v when using Netonixs.

 

Adam

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 8:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

 

It appears, due to the polarity, this cannot be done.  

Netonix does not have an option to put positive on 7&8.

So I need to figure out how to put it in a POE passive pass through mode it 
appears.  

 

From: Jordan Gregory   

Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:19 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

 

Just the standard 48V. 24 isn't enough and the 4pin 48VH isn't necessary.

 

On Aug 30, 2016 10:16 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

It has the GPS puck but I have not connected it yet.  Just playing.  

What Netonix poe setting do you use?

 

From: Jordan Gregory   

Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:15 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

 

GPS synced or not?

My ePMP 1000 w/ GPS are being powered by a netonix. SMs don't work though.

 

On Aug 30, 2016 10:11 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

When powering an ePMP, I notice that the power supply from Cambium shows 7&8 
positive, 4&5 return.  

Is it not possible to power it directly from a Netonix WS-12-DC?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Extending Dishtv over Fiber (Private property)

[Carl Peterson]

http://www.opticalzonu.com/jseries/swm-fiber-link/

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> No idea why that would not work as long as you have the proper bandwidth.
> However I think there may be some two way LNB switching on the coax.
>
> -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:42 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Extending Dishtv over Fiber (Private property)
>
> I have no experience with this, but couldn't you use a signal amplifier out
> by the dish, powered over the coax?
> http://www.solidsignal.com/satellite-signal-amplifier-th.asp
>
> Or is the issue that you don't want to extend the coax?
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Nate Burke
> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 11:21 AM
> To: Animal Farm
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Extending Dishtv over Fiber (Private property)
>
> I've run into a situation where I need to install a TV dish about 700'
> away from where the TV will go because of heavy tree coverage. There is
> power and indoor space at the dish location, and there is already fiber
> run back to the house with multiple spare strands. 'People' I've talked
> to, say this is too far for a coax run. Searching online, it looks like
> there are some fiber options.   Dish network branded or a company called
> 'Dawnco', but the equipment is about the same price in the $6000+ range
> for a 4lnb setup.  Anyone come across a cheaper way to do it?  80 year
> old-Non-technical users, so need to maintain the DISH STB, no fancy
> streaming solutions.  The dish today is about 250' away from the house
> on coax, and it will drop out in the slightest rain because of the
> signal loss over the coax.
>
>
>
>


-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B11 issue

[Erich Kaiser]

Actually take that back sounds like a calibration issue on the radio.

On Aug 30, 2016 12:30 PM, "Erich Kaiser" 
wrote:

> Waveguide issue on dish? Wrong size ?
>
> On Aug 30, 2016 12:21 PM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:
>
>> Hi Gang,
>>
>> I've already contacted mimosa support and they seem to be stumped too, so
>> i thought I'd check with y'all to see if you've seen the same issue.
>>
>> We have a B11 link that is 6 miles clear LOS (we currently have a
>> dragonwave horizon compact plus 18Ghz link in place that the B11 will be
>> replacing).  The PCN states we should have a -42.5 the B11 interface states
>> we should have a -40.9.  On the near side with is also the AP side we have
>> a -42 (as expected) however on the far side (station side) we have a
>> -53.2.  Both sides are using the Jirous 2' dishes.  We've tried swapping
>> radios on both sides, i've downgraded to 1.3.1 and back to 1.4.1 and we've
>> moved the dishes 5' vertically on both sides with no change.  the station
>> side is always about 10-12db worse.  We are not on a sidelobe since the
>> other radio is at expected signal level.
>>
>> Mimosa has stated they are "looking into it" and they have another
>> customer with a similar problem.  I've provided them VPN access and they
>> have run some diagnostic scripts.  It's been almost 2 weeks since I first
>> contacted mimosa and they don't have any answer other than "we are working
>> on it".
>>
>> I'm ready to switch vendors to another product. We have to get this link
>> live because it's going to start snowing here soon.  Anyone else have this
>> issue or have any other ideas of what to try??
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B11 issue

[Sean Heskett]

radios are directly connected to the Jirous 2' dishes with the hardware
supplied by mimosa.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Erich Kaiser 
wrote:

> Waveguide issue on dish? Wrong size ?
>
> On Aug 30, 2016 12:21 PM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:
>
>> Hi Gang,
>>
>> I've already contacted mimosa support and they seem to be stumped too, so
>> i thought I'd check with y'all to see if you've seen the same issue.
>>
>> We have a B11 link that is 6 miles clear LOS (we currently have a
>> dragonwave horizon compact plus 18Ghz link in place that the B11 will be
>> replacing).  The PCN states we should have a -42.5 the B11 interface states
>> we should have a -40.9.  On the near side with is also the AP side we have
>> a -42 (as expected) however on the far side (station side) we have a
>> -53.2.  Both sides are using the Jirous 2' dishes.  We've tried swapping
>> radios on both sides, i've downgraded to 1.3.1 and back to 1.4.1 and we've
>> moved the dishes 5' vertically on both sides with no change.  the station
>> side is always about 10-12db worse.  We are not on a sidelobe since the
>> other radio is at expected signal level.
>>
>> Mimosa has stated they are "looking into it" and they have another
>> customer with a similar problem.  I've provided them VPN access and they
>> have run some diagnostic scripts.  It's been almost 2 weeks since I first
>> contacted mimosa and they don't have any answer other than "we are working
>> on it".
>>
>> I'm ready to switch vendors to another product. We have to get this link
>> live because it's going to start snowing here soon.  Anyone else have this
>> issue or have any other ideas of what to try??
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B11 issue

[Erich Kaiser]

Waveguide issue on dish? Wrong size ?

On Aug 30, 2016 12:21 PM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:

> Hi Gang,
>
> I've already contacted mimosa support and they seem to be stumped too, so
> i thought I'd check with y'all to see if you've seen the same issue.
>
> We have a B11 link that is 6 miles clear LOS (we currently have a
> dragonwave horizon compact plus 18Ghz link in place that the B11 will be
> replacing).  The PCN states we should have a -42.5 the B11 interface states
> we should have a -40.9.  On the near side with is also the AP side we have
> a -42 (as expected) however on the far side (station side) we have a
> -53.2.  Both sides are using the Jirous 2' dishes.  We've tried swapping
> radios on both sides, i've downgraded to 1.3.1 and back to 1.4.1 and we've
> moved the dishes 5' vertically on both sides with no change.  the station
> side is always about 10-12db worse.  We are not on a sidelobe since the
> other radio is at expected signal level.
>
> Mimosa has stated they are "looking into it" and they have another
> customer with a similar problem.  I've provided them VPN access and they
> have run some diagnostic scripts.  It's been almost 2 weeks since I first
> contacted mimosa and they don't have any answer other than "we are working
> on it".
>
> I'm ready to switch vendors to another product. We have to get this link
> live because it's going to start snowing here soon.  Anyone else have this
> issue or have any other ideas of what to try??
>
> -Sean
>
>

[AFMUG] Mimosa B11 issue

[Sean Heskett]

Hi Gang,

I've already contacted mimosa support and they seem to be stumped too, so i
thought I'd check with y'all to see if you've seen the same issue.

We have a B11 link that is 6 miles clear LOS (we currently have a
dragonwave horizon compact plus 18Ghz link in place that the B11 will be
replacing).  The PCN states we should have a -42.5 the B11 interface states
we should have a -40.9.  On the near side with is also the AP side we have
a -42 (as expected) however on the far side (station side) we have a
-53.2.  Both sides are using the Jirous 2' dishes.  We've tried swapping
radios on both sides, i've downgraded to 1.3.1 and back to 1.4.1 and we've
moved the dishes 5' vertically on both sides with no change.  the station
side is always about 10-12db worse.  We are not on a sidelobe since the
other radio is at expected signal level.

Mimosa has stated they are "looking into it" and they have another customer
with a similar problem.  I've provided them VPN access and they have run
some diagnostic scripts.  It's been almost 2 weeks since I first contacted
mimosa and they don't have any answer other than "we are working on it".

I'm ready to switch vendors to another product. We have to get this link
live because it's going to start snowing here soon.  Anyone else have this
issue or have any other ideas of what to try??

-Sean

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Extending Dishtv over Fiber (Private property)

[Chuck McCown]

No idea why that would not work as long as you have the proper bandwidth.
However I think there may be some two way LNB switching on the coax.

-Original Message- 
From: Ken Hohhof

Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Extending Dishtv over Fiber (Private property)

I have no experience with this, but couldn't you use a signal amplifier out
by the dish, powered over the coax?
http://www.solidsignal.com/satellite-signal-amplifier-th.asp

Or is the issue that you don't want to extend the coax?


-Original Message- 
From: Nate Burke

Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 11:21 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Extending Dishtv over Fiber (Private property)

I've run into a situation where I need to install a TV dish about 700'
away from where the TV will go because of heavy tree coverage. There is
power and indoor space at the dish location, and there is already fiber
run back to the house with multiple spare strands. 'People' I've talked
to, say this is too far for a coax run. Searching online, it looks like
there are some fiber options.   Dish network branded or a company called
'Dawnco', but the equipment is about the same price in the $6000+ range
for a 4lnb setup.  Anyone come across a cheaper way to do it?  80 year
old-Non-technical users, so need to maintain the DISH STB, no fancy
streaming solutions.  The dish today is about 250' away from the house
on coax, and it will drop out in the slightest rain because of the
signal loss over the coax.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Extending Dishtv over Fiber (Private property)

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

if there is an enclosure and power by the dish, you can put the reciever
out there and put in an AV extender

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I have no experience with this, but couldn't you use a signal amplifier
> out by the dish, powered over the coax?
> http://www.solidsignal.com/satellite-signal-amplifier-th.asp
>
> Or is the issue that you don't want to extend the coax?
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Nate Burke
> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 11:21 AM
> To: Animal Farm
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Extending Dishtv over Fiber (Private property)
>
>
> I've run into a situation where I need to install a TV dish about 700'
> away from where the TV will go because of heavy tree coverage. There is
> power and indoor space at the dish location, and there is already fiber
> run back to the house with multiple spare strands. 'People' I've talked
> to, say this is too far for a coax run. Searching online, it looks like
> there are some fiber options.   Dish network branded or a company called
> 'Dawnco', but the equipment is about the same price in the $6000+ range
> for a 4lnb setup.  Anyone come across a cheaper way to do it?  80 year
> old-Non-technical users, so need to maintain the DISH STB, no fancy
> streaming solutions.  The dish today is about 250' away from the house
> on coax, and it will drop out in the slightest rain because of the
> signal loss over the coax.
>
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Extending Dishtv over Fiber (Private property)

[Ken Hohhof]

I have no experience with this, but couldn't you use a signal amplifier out 
by the dish, powered over the coax?

http://www.solidsignal.com/satellite-signal-amplifier-th.asp

Or is the issue that you don't want to extend the coax?


-Original Message- 
From: Nate Burke

Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 11:21 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Extending Dishtv over Fiber (Private property)

I've run into a situation where I need to install a TV dish about 700'
away from where the TV will go because of heavy tree coverage. There is
power and indoor space at the dish location, and there is already fiber
run back to the house with multiple spare strands. 'People' I've talked
to, say this is too far for a coax run. Searching online, it looks like
there are some fiber options.   Dish network branded or a company called
'Dawnco', but the equipment is about the same price in the $6000+ range
for a 4lnb setup.  Anyone come across a cheaper way to do it?  80 year
old-Non-technical users, so need to maintain the DISH STB, no fancy
streaming solutions.  The dish today is about 250' away from the house
on coax, and it will drop out in the slightest rain because of the
signal loss over the coax.

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Mandatory Product Recall, Stop Work Order. Open ASAP

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

is that an actual recall or a slick marketing ploy?

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:34 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> Crap. I think that's the model I have.
>
>
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> 
>
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>
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>
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Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

[Chuck McCown]

It is working on 36 volts at the moment.  

From: Josh Baird 
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:36 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

You have to give the WS-12-DC ~48V. 

The WS-12-250-DC takes 9-60V.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 12:29 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Rookie mistake.  Switch part number WS-12-DC
  12-DC, it is right there... 12 volts DC!  

  Ahhh, but if one should look over by the bananna jacks, it says 37-54 VDC.  
  That makes a difference.  

  From: Josh Baird 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:07 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

  Nope - all ports should support both 24V and 48V.

  On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Is there a particular group of ports that you have to use?
I did not try 48 volts.  
If POE is off, is it defaulted to POE pass through mode?

From: Jason Wilson 
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

I have a ePMP1000 Connectorized 2.4ghz in the lab right now running off of 
a nextonix @ 24v.  I did have an issue with a 1000 running off of a RB750UP on 
a long cable run.  Not enough umph to power it.  I am currently running it on 
the stock power supply but the Netonix will soon be replacing the 750up and 
stock PS at the site.



Jason Wilson
Remotely Located
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
530-651-1736
530-748-9608 Cell
www.remotelylocated.com

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 8:42 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  This is an ePMP 1000 connectorized.  2.4G

  From: George Skorup 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:41 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

  The Force180 and 200's will take 15-30VDC (IIRC) using either polarity on 
the 4/5 and 7/8 pairs. GigE if you want.

  The GPS units are 802.3af compliant and also 29.5 or 48 passive + 
Sync-over-Power. So the same applies, either polarity. Also GigE. They want no 
less than 20vDC. And I believe no more than 58 or 60vDC. But as others have 
pointed out in the past, you should run them at 29.5 or 48-56 if you can 
because of the cold weather lockup issues when they're getting <24vDC at the 
radio.

  The old ePMP integrated units take only standard Canopy power, and no 
GigE. We have made polarity swap dongles to convert customers from UBNT (if 
they're not home), but now that those are EOL and the new Force stuff doesn't 
care about polarity, we just swap radios.


  On 8/30/2016 10:18 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Not finding a true manual for the Netonix either.  There are many 
options that I am not sure about.  

From: Jordan Gregory 
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

GPS synced or not?

My ePMP 1000 w/ GPS are being powered by a netonix. SMs don't work 
though.


On Aug 30, 2016 10:11 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  When powering an ePMP, I notice that the power supply from Cambium 
shows 7&8 positive, 4&5 return.  
  Is it not possible to power it directly from a Netonix WS-12-DC?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Extending Dishtv over Fiber (Private property)

[Chuck McCown]

+1

I am sure you can use a lower loss cable.
Are you using RG6 now or RG11?

At 1 GHz RG 6 6.1 dB loss per 100’.  
RG 11 has 6.6 dB loss.

Switch to LMR600 and cut the loss in half.  
Yes there will be a slight impedance mismatch but not that bad.  


From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Extending Dishtv over Fiber (Private property)

figure out the IF frequency between the LNB and the STB and figure out what 
cable they are using now (rg6, rg59, etc) and figure out what the current loss 
is over that cable, at that distance, at that IF frequency. THEN just find 
another 75ohm coax that will work with the same or less signal loss at 
700ft...The fiber thing sounds like a disaster.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

  I've run into a situation where I need to install a TV dish about 700' away 
from where the TV will go because of heavy tree coverage. There is power and 
indoor space at the dish location, and there is already fiber run back to the 
house with multiple spare strands. 'People' I've talked to, say this is too far 
for a coax run. Searching online, it looks like there are some fiber options.   
Dish network branded or a company called 'Dawnco', but the equipment is about 
the same price in the $6000+ range for a 4lnb setup.  Anyone come across a 
cheaper way to do it?  80 year old-Non-technical users, so need to maintain the 
DISH STB, no fancy streaming solutions.  The dish today is about 250' away from 
the house on coax, and it will drop out in the slightest rain because of the 
signal loss over the coax.

Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

[Josh Baird]

You have to give the WS-12-DC ~48V.

The WS-12-250-DC takes 9-60V.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 12:29 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Rookie mistake.  Switch part number WS-12-DC
> 12-DC, it is right there... 12 volts DC!
>
> Ahhh, but if one should look over by the bananna jacks, it says 37-54
> VDC.
> That makes a difference.
>
> *From:* Josh Baird 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:07 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP
>
> Nope - all ports should support both 24V and 48V.
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Is there a particular group of ports that you have to use?
>> I did not try 48 volts.
>> If POE is off, is it defaulted to POE pass through mode?
>>
>> *From:* Jason Wilson 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:52 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP
>>
>> I have a ePMP1000 Connectorized 2.4ghz in the lab right now running off
>> of a nextonix @ 24v.  I did have an issue with a 1000 running off of a
>> RB750UP on a long cable run.  Not enough umph to power it.  I am currently
>> running it on the stock power supply but the Netonix will soon be replacing
>> the 750up and stock PS at the site.
>>
>>
>> Jason Wilson
>> Remotely Located
>> Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
>> 530-651-1736
>> 530-748-9608 Cell
>> www.remotelylocated.com
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 8:42 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> This is an ePMP 1000 connectorized.  2.4G
>>>
>>> *From:* George Skorup 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:41 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP
>>>
>>> The Force180 and 200's will take 15-30VDC (IIRC) using either polarity
>>> on the 4/5 and 7/8 pairs. GigE if you want.
>>>
>>> The GPS units are 802.3af compliant and also 29.5 or 48 passive +
>>> Sync-over-Power. So the same applies, either polarity. Also GigE. They want
>>> no less than 20vDC. And I believe no more than 58 or 60vDC. But as others
>>> have pointed out in the past, you should run them at 29.5 or 48-56 if you
>>> can because of the cold weather lockup issues when they're getting <24vDC
>>> at the radio.
>>>
>>> The old ePMP integrated units take only standard Canopy power, and no
>>> GigE. We have made polarity swap dongles to convert customers from UBNT (if
>>> they're not home), but now that those are EOL and the new Force stuff
>>> doesn't care about polarity, we just swap radios.
>>>
>>> On 8/30/2016 10:18 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>
>>> Not finding a true manual for the Netonix either.  There are many
>>> options that I am not sure about.
>>>
>>> *From:* Jordan Gregory 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:15 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP
>>>
>>>
>>> GPS synced or not?
>>>
>>> My ePMP 1000 w/ GPS are being powered by a netonix. SMs don't work
>>> though.
>>>
>>> On Aug 30, 2016 10:11 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>>
 When powering an ePMP, I notice that the power supply from Cambium
 shows 7&8 positive, 4&5 return.
 Is it not possible to power it directly from a Netonix WS-12-DC?

>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Extending Dishtv over Fiber (Private property)

[George Skorup]

Are there trees all around? If it's western arc, maybe you can get away 
with converting to eastern arc. That was the problem I used to have with 
Directv. But that got shit-canned and went to Dish, east is wide open 
for me. We upgraded to the Hopper3 a couple months ago. 16 tuners is 
awesome. :)


On 8/30/2016 11:21 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
I've run into a situation where I need to install a TV dish about 700' 
away from where the TV will go because of heavy tree coverage. There 
is power and indoor space at the dish location, and there is already 
fiber run back to the house with multiple spare strands. 'People' I've 
talked to, say this is too far for a coax run. Searching online, it 
looks like there are some fiber options.   Dish network branded or a 
company called 'Dawnco', but the equipment is about the same price in 
the $6000+ range for a 4lnb setup.  Anyone come across a cheaper way 
to do it?  80 year old-Non-technical users, so need to maintain the 
DISH STB, no fancy streaming solutions.  The dish today is about 250' 
away from the house on coax, and it will drop out in the slightest 
rain because of the signal loss over the coax.

Re: [AFMUG] OT How exactly did lightning kill 323 reindeer in Norway?

[Joshaven Mailing Lists]

Isn’t it obvious, they were not properly grounded… 

Sorry I had to!

Sincerely,
Joshaven Potter
Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co
Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
supp...@joshaven.com



> On Aug 29, 2016, at 3:21 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
> 
> https://news.google.com/news/ampviewer?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theverge.com%2Fplatform%2Famp%2F2016%2F8%2F29%2F12690402%2Flightning-strike-kills-norway-reindeer-death-why-science#pt0-486803
>  
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

[Chuck McCown]

Rookie mistake.  Switch part number WS-12-DC
12-DC, it is right there... 12 volts DC!  

Ahhh, but if one should look over by the bananna jacks, it says 37-54 VDC.  
That makes a difference.  

From: Josh Baird 
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

Nope - all ports should support both 24V and 48V.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Is there a particular group of ports that you have to use?
  I did not try 48 volts.  
  If POE is off, is it defaulted to POE pass through mode?

  From: Jason Wilson 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:52 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

  I have a ePMP1000 Connectorized 2.4ghz in the lab right now running off of a 
nextonix @ 24v.  I did have an issue with a 1000 running off of a RB750UP on a 
long cable run.  Not enough umph to power it.  I am currently running it on the 
stock power supply but the Netonix will soon be replacing the 750up and stock 
PS at the site.



  Jason Wilson
  Remotely Located
  Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
  530-651-1736
  530-748-9608 Cell
  www.remotelylocated.com

  On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 8:42 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

This is an ePMP 1000 connectorized.  2.4G

From: George Skorup 
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:41 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

The Force180 and 200's will take 15-30VDC (IIRC) using either polarity on 
the 4/5 and 7/8 pairs. GigE if you want.

The GPS units are 802.3af compliant and also 29.5 or 48 passive + 
Sync-over-Power. So the same applies, either polarity. Also GigE. They want no 
less than 20vDC. And I believe no more than 58 or 60vDC. But as others have 
pointed out in the past, you should run them at 29.5 or 48-56 if you can 
because of the cold weather lockup issues when they're getting <24vDC at the 
radio.

The old ePMP integrated units take only standard Canopy power, and no GigE. 
We have made polarity swap dongles to convert customers from UBNT (if they're 
not home), but now that those are EOL and the new Force stuff doesn't care 
about polarity, we just swap radios.


On 8/30/2016 10:18 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Not finding a true manual for the Netonix either.  There are many options 
that I am not sure about.  

  From: Jordan Gregory 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:15 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

  GPS synced or not?

  My ePMP 1000 w/ GPS are being powered by a netonix. SMs don't work though.


  On Aug 30, 2016 10:11 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

When powering an ePMP, I notice that the power supply from Cambium 
shows 7&8 positive, 4&5 return.  
Is it not possible to power it directly from a Netonix WS-12-DC?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Extending Dishtv over Fiber (Private property)

[TJ Trout]

figure out the IF frequency between the LNB and the STB and figure out what
cable they are using now (rg6, rg59, etc) and figure out what the current
loss is over that cable, at that distance, at that IF frequency. THEN just
find another 75ohm coax that will work with the same or less signal loss at
700ft...The fiber thing sounds like a disaster.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> I've run into a situation where I need to install a TV dish about 700'
> away from where the TV will go because of heavy tree coverage. There is
> power and indoor space at the dish location, and there is already fiber run
> back to the house with multiple spare strands. 'People' I've talked to, say
> this is too far for a coax run. Searching online, it looks like there are
> some fiber options.   Dish network branded or a company called 'Dawnco',
> but the equipment is about the same price in the $6000+ range for a 4lnb
> setup.  Anyone come across a cheaper way to do it?  80 year
> old-Non-technical users, so need to maintain the DISH STB, no fancy
> streaming solutions.  The dish today is about 250' away from the house on
> coax, and it will drop out in the slightest rain because of the signal loss
> over the coax.
>
>
>

[AFMUG] OT: Extending Dishtv over Fiber (Private property)

[Nate Burke]

I've run into a situation where I need to install a TV dish about 700' 
away from where the TV will go because of heavy tree coverage. There is 
power and indoor space at the dish location, and there is already fiber 
run back to the house with multiple spare strands. 'People' I've talked 
to, say this is too far for a coax run. Searching online, it looks like 
there are some fiber options.   Dish network branded or a company called 
'Dawnco', but the equipment is about the same price in the $6000+ range 
for a 4lnb setup.  Anyone come across a cheaper way to do it?  80 year 
old-Non-technical users, so need to maintain the DISH STB, no fancy 
streaming solutions.  The dish today is about 250' away from the house 
on coax, and it will drop out in the slightest rain because of the 
signal loss over the coax.

Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

[Josh Baird]

Nope - all ports should support both 24V and 48V.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Is there a particular group of ports that you have to use?
> I did not try 48 volts.
> If POE is off, is it defaulted to POE pass through mode?
>
> *From:* Jason Wilson 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:52 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP
>
> I have a ePMP1000 Connectorized 2.4ghz in the lab right now running off of
> a nextonix @ 24v.  I did have an issue with a 1000 running off of a RB750UP
> on a long cable run.  Not enough umph to power it.  I am currently running
> it on the stock power supply but the Netonix will soon be replacing the
> 750up and stock PS at the site.
>
>
> Jason Wilson
> Remotely Located
> Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
> 530-651-1736
> 530-748-9608 Cell
> www.remotelylocated.com
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 8:42 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> This is an ePMP 1000 connectorized.  2.4G
>>
>> *From:* George Skorup 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:41 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP
>>
>> The Force180 and 200's will take 15-30VDC (IIRC) using either polarity on
>> the 4/5 and 7/8 pairs. GigE if you want.
>>
>> The GPS units are 802.3af compliant and also 29.5 or 48 passive +
>> Sync-over-Power. So the same applies, either polarity. Also GigE. They want
>> no less than 20vDC. And I believe no more than 58 or 60vDC. But as others
>> have pointed out in the past, you should run them at 29.5 or 48-56 if you
>> can because of the cold weather lockup issues when they're getting <24vDC
>> at the radio.
>>
>> The old ePMP integrated units take only standard Canopy power, and no
>> GigE. We have made polarity swap dongles to convert customers from UBNT (if
>> they're not home), but now that those are EOL and the new Force stuff
>> doesn't care about polarity, we just swap radios.
>>
>> On 8/30/2016 10:18 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> Not finding a true manual for the Netonix either.  There are many options
>> that I am not sure about.
>>
>> *From:* Jordan Gregory 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:15 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP
>>
>>
>> GPS synced or not?
>>
>> My ePMP 1000 w/ GPS are being powered by a netonix. SMs don't work though.
>>
>> On Aug 30, 2016 10:11 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>>> When powering an ePMP, I notice that the power supply from Cambium shows
>>> 7&8 positive, 4&5 return.
>>> Is it not possible to power it directly from a Netonix WS-12-DC?
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

[Chuck McCown]

Is there a particular group of ports that you have to use?
I did not try 48 volts.  
If POE is off, is it defaulted to POE pass through mode?

From: Jason Wilson 
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

I have a ePMP1000 Connectorized 2.4ghz in the lab right now running off of a 
nextonix @ 24v.  I did have an issue with a 1000 running off of a RB750UP on a 
long cable run.  Not enough umph to power it.  I am currently running it on the 
stock power supply but the Netonix will soon be replacing the 750up and stock 
PS at the site.



Jason Wilson
Remotely Located
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
530-651-1736
530-748-9608 Cell
www.remotelylocated.com

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 8:42 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  This is an ePMP 1000 connectorized.  2.4G

  From: George Skorup 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:41 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

  The Force180 and 200's will take 15-30VDC (IIRC) using either polarity on the 
4/5 and 7/8 pairs. GigE if you want.

  The GPS units are 802.3af compliant and also 29.5 or 48 passive + 
Sync-over-Power. So the same applies, either polarity. Also GigE. They want no 
less than 20vDC. And I believe no more than 58 or 60vDC. But as others have 
pointed out in the past, you should run them at 29.5 or 48-56 if you can 
because of the cold weather lockup issues when they're getting <24vDC at the 
radio.

  The old ePMP integrated units take only standard Canopy power, and no GigE. 
We have made polarity swap dongles to convert customers from UBNT (if they're 
not home), but now that those are EOL and the new Force stuff doesn't care 
about polarity, we just swap radios.


  On 8/30/2016 10:18 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Not finding a true manual for the Netonix either.  There are many options 
that I am not sure about.  

From: Jordan Gregory 
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

GPS synced or not?

My ePMP 1000 w/ GPS are being powered by a netonix. SMs don't work though.


On Aug 30, 2016 10:11 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  When powering an ePMP, I notice that the power supply from Cambium shows 
7&8 positive, 4&5 return.  
  Is it not possible to power it directly from a Netonix WS-12-DC?

Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

[Jason Wilson]

I have a ePMP1000 Connectorized 2.4ghz in the lab right now running off of
a nextonix @ 24v.  I did have an issue with a 1000 running off of a RB750UP
on a long cable run.  Not enough umph to power it.  I am currently running
it on the stock power supply but the Netonix will soon be replacing the
750up and stock PS at the site.


Jason Wilson
Remotely Located
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
530-651-1736
530-748-9608 Cell
www.remotelylocated.com

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 8:42 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> This is an ePMP 1000 connectorized.  2.4G
>
> *From:* George Skorup 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:41 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP
>
> The Force180 and 200's will take 15-30VDC (IIRC) using either polarity on
> the 4/5 and 7/8 pairs. GigE if you want.
>
> The GPS units are 802.3af compliant and also 29.5 or 48 passive +
> Sync-over-Power. So the same applies, either polarity. Also GigE. They want
> no less than 20vDC. And I believe no more than 58 or 60vDC. But as others
> have pointed out in the past, you should run them at 29.5 or 48-56 if you
> can because of the cold weather lockup issues when they're getting <24vDC
> at the radio.
>
> The old ePMP integrated units take only standard Canopy power, and no
> GigE. We have made polarity swap dongles to convert customers from UBNT (if
> they're not home), but now that those are EOL and the new Force stuff
> doesn't care about polarity, we just swap radios.
>
> On 8/30/2016 10:18 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Not finding a true manual for the Netonix either.  There are many options
> that I am not sure about.
>
> *From:* Jordan Gregory 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:15 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP
>
>
> GPS synced or not?
>
> My ePMP 1000 w/ GPS are being powered by a netonix. SMs don't work though.
>
> On Aug 30, 2016 10:11 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> When powering an ePMP, I notice that the power supply from Cambium shows
>> 7&8 positive, 4&5 return.
>> Is it not possible to power it directly from a Netonix WS-12-DC?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah... if it's a GPS unit, it should power up fine on 24v or 48v with
either polarity. If it's a connectorized non-GPS radio, it will only work
with 4/5- & 7/8+ 24v - which won't work with a Netonix, unless you swap 4/5
and 7/8 (which does work fine).

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:41 AM, George Skorup  wrote:

> The Force180 and 200's will take 15-30VDC (IIRC) using either polarity on
> the 4/5 and 7/8 pairs. GigE if you want.
>
> The GPS units are 802.3af compliant and also 29.5 or 48 passive +
> Sync-over-Power. So the same applies, either polarity. Also GigE. They want
> no less than 20vDC. And I believe no more than 58 or 60vDC. But as others
> have pointed out in the past, you should run them at 29.5 or 48-56 if you
> can because of the cold weather lockup issues when they're getting <24vDC
> at the radio.
>
> The old ePMP integrated units take only standard Canopy power, and no
> GigE. We have made polarity swap dongles to convert customers from UBNT (if
> they're not home), but now that those are EOL and the new Force stuff
> doesn't care about polarity, we just swap radios.
>
> On 8/30/2016 10:18 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Not finding a true manual for the Netonix either.  There are many options
> that I am not sure about.
>
> *From:* Jordan Gregory 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:15 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP
>
>
> GPS synced or not?
>
> My ePMP 1000 w/ GPS are being powered by a netonix. SMs don't work though.
>
> On Aug 30, 2016 10:11 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> When powering an ePMP, I notice that the power supply from Cambium shows
>> 7&8 positive, 4&5 return.
>> Is it not possible to power it directly from a Netonix WS-12-DC?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

[Chuck McCown]

I get no lights on the AP.  

From: Josh Baird 
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

Netonix will power GPS sync ePMP models just fine on 24V or 48V, but we run 
them all at 48V due to the cold-temp in-rush problems that occurred in early 
ePMP firmware.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  It appears, due to the polarity, this cannot be done.  
  Netonix does not have an option to put positive on 7&8.
  So I need to figure out how to put it in a POE passive pass through mode it 
appears.  

  From: Jordan Gregory 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:19 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

  Just the standard 48V. 24 isn't enough and the 4pin 48VH isn't necessary.


  On Aug 30, 2016 10:16 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

It has the GPS puck but I have not connected it yet.  Just playing.  
What Netonix poe setting do you use?

From: Jordan Gregory 
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

GPS synced or not?

My ePMP 1000 w/ GPS are being powered by a netonix. SMs don't work though.


On Aug 30, 2016 10:11 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  When powering an ePMP, I notice that the power supply from Cambium shows 
7&8 positive, 4&5 return.  
  Is it not possible to power it directly from a Netonix WS-12-DC?

Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

[Chuck McCown]

Two RP-SMA on top and one SMA for the GPS down below.  
Has a GPS sync light right below the power light.
Powers up with the Cambium power supply.  

From: George Skorup 
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

Are you sure it's a connectorized Sync radio?


On 8/30/2016 10:39 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  I get no lights on the AP.  

  From: Josh Baird 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:26 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

  Netonix will power GPS sync ePMP models just fine on 24V or 48V, but we run 
them all at 48V due to the cold-temp in-rush problems that occurred in early 
ePMP firmware.

  On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

It appears, due to the polarity, this cannot be done.  
Netonix does not have an option to put positive on 7&8.
So I need to figure out how to put it in a POE passive pass through mode it 
appears.  

From: Jordan Gregory 
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

Just the standard 48V. 24 isn't enough and the 4pin 48VH isn't necessary.


On Aug 30, 2016 10:16 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  It has the GPS puck but I have not connected it yet.  Just playing.  
  What Netonix poe setting do you use?

  From: Jordan Gregory 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:15 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

  GPS synced or not?

  My ePMP 1000 w/ GPS are being powered by a netonix. SMs don't work though.


  On Aug 30, 2016 10:11 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

When powering an ePMP, I notice that the power supply from Cambium 
shows 7&8 positive, 4&5 return.  
Is it not possible to power it directly from a Netonix WS-12-DC?

Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

[Chuck McCown]

This is an ePMP 1000 connectorized.  2.4G

From: George Skorup 
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:41 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

The Force180 and 200's will take 15-30VDC (IIRC) using either polarity on the 
4/5 and 7/8 pairs. GigE if you want.

The GPS units are 802.3af compliant and also 29.5 or 48 passive + 
Sync-over-Power. So the same applies, either polarity. Also GigE. They want no 
less than 20vDC. And I believe no more than 58 or 60vDC. But as others have 
pointed out in the past, you should run them at 29.5 or 48-56 if you can 
because of the cold weather lockup issues when they're getting <24vDC at the 
radio.

The old ePMP integrated units take only standard Canopy power, and no GigE. We 
have made polarity swap dongles to convert customers from UBNT (if they're not 
home), but now that those are EOL and the new Force stuff doesn't care about 
polarity, we just swap radios.


On 8/30/2016 10:18 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Not finding a true manual for the Netonix either.  There are many options 
that I am not sure about.  

  From: Jordan Gregory 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:15 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

  GPS synced or not?

  My ePMP 1000 w/ GPS are being powered by a netonix. SMs don't work though.


  On Aug 30, 2016 10:11 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

When powering an ePMP, I notice that the power supply from Cambium shows 
7&8 positive, 4&5 return.  
Is it not possible to power it directly from a Netonix WS-12-DC?

Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

[George Skorup]

Are you sure it's a connectorized Sync radio?

On 8/30/2016 10:39 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I get no lights on the AP.
*From:* Josh Baird 
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:26 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP
Netonix will power GPS sync ePMP models just fine on 24V or 48V, but 
we run them all at 48V due to the cold-temp in-rush problems that 
occurred in early ePMP firmware.
On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Chuck McCown > wrote:


It appears, due to the polarity, this cannot be done.
Netonix does not have an option to put positive on 7&8.
So I need to figure out how to put it in a POE passive pass
through mode it appears.
*From:* Jordan Gregory 
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:19 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

Just the standard 48V. 24 isn't enough and the 4pin 48VH isn't
necessary.

On Aug 30, 2016 10:16 AM, "Chuck McCown" > wrote:

It has the GPS puck but I have not connected it yet. Just
playing.
What Netonix poe setting do you use?
*From:* Jordan Gregory 
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:15 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

GPS synced or not?

My ePMP 1000 w/ GPS are being powered by a netonix. SMs don't
work though.

On Aug 30, 2016 10:11 AM, "Chuck McCown" > wrote:

When powering an ePMP, I notice that the power supply from
Cambium shows 7&8 positive, 4&5 return.
Is it not possible to power it directly from a Netonix
WS-12-DC?

Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

[George Skorup]

The Force180 and 200's will take 15-30VDC (IIRC) using either polarity 
on the 4/5 and 7/8 pairs. GigE if you want.


The GPS units are 802.3af compliant and also 29.5 or 48 passive + 
Sync-over-Power. So the same applies, either polarity. Also GigE. They 
want no less than 20vDC. And I believe no more than 58 or 60vDC. But as 
others have pointed out in the past, you should run them at 29.5 or 
48-56 if you can because of the cold weather lockup issues when they're 
getting <24vDC at the radio.


The old ePMP integrated units take only standard Canopy power, and no 
GigE. We have made polarity swap dongles to convert customers from UBNT 
(if they're not home), but now that those are EOL and the new Force 
stuff doesn't care about polarity, we just swap radios.


On 8/30/2016 10:18 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Not finding a true manual for the Netonix either.  There are many 
options that I am not sure about.

*From:* Jordan Gregory 
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:15 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

GPS synced or not?

My ePMP 1000 w/ GPS are being powered by a netonix. SMs don't work though.

On Aug 30, 2016 10:11 AM, "Chuck McCown" > wrote:


When powering an ePMP, I notice that the power supply from Cambium
shows 7&8 positive, 4&5 return.
Is it not possible to power it directly from a Netonix WS-12-DC?

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Mandatory Product Recall, Stop Work Order. Open ASAP

[Bill Prince]

Crap. I think that's the model I have.


bp


On 8/30/2016 8:32 AM, Colin Stanners wrote:

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Re: [AFMUG] Workers comp

[Chuck McCown]

Thank you very much.  

From: James Howard 
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Workers comp

>From 
>http://laborcommission.utah.gov/media/pdfs/industrialaccidents/pubs/EEGuide.pdf

 

 

Q27. What if my doctor says I can perform light-duty work and my employer does 
not have light-duty work available? A. If your employer does not offer 
light-duty work, you are entitled to continue receiving temporary total 
disability compensation benefits until a doctor finds you are at medical 
stability or you exhaust your 312 week entitlement.

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 10:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Workers comp

 

I have an employee that was injured on the job.  New entry level temp labor 
employee was handling something that was far heavier than he suspected, it got 
loose and came down on his toes.  Broke a toe I think.  It was a legit 
workplace injury.  

 

So the workers comp doctor finally cleared him to come back to work, but no 
walking for more than 200 feet, no lifting, no standing more than 30 minutes, 
no climbing ladders.  

 

The workers comp doctors really milk these things.  

 

The kid was hired to lift and dig and stand.  I have no clue if we can just 
tell him to stay home without pay until he can do his job, or if we can lay him 
off or what  

 

Anyone been through this before?




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Re: [AFMUG] Workers comp

[James Howard]

>From 
>http://laborcommission.utah.gov/media/pdfs/industrialaccidents/pubs/EEGuide.pdf


Q27. What if my doctor says I can perform light-duty work and my employer does 
not have light-duty work available? A. If your employer does not offer 
light-duty work, you are entitled to continue receiving temporary total 
disability compensation benefits until a doctor finds you are at medical 
stability or you exhaust your 312 week entitlement.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 10:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Workers comp

I have an employee that was injured on the job.  New entry level temp labor 
employee was handling something that was far heavier than he suspected, it got 
loose and came down on his toes.  Broke a toe I think.  It was a legit 
workplace injury.

So the workers comp doctor finally cleared him to come back to work, but no 
walking for more than 200 feet, no lifting, no standing more than 30 minutes, 
no climbing ladders.

The workers comp doctors really milk these things.

The kid was hired to lift and dig and stand.  I have no clue if we can just 
tell him to stay home without pay until he can do his job, or if we can lay him 
off or what

Anyone been through this before?

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[AFMUG] Fwd: Mandatory Product Recall, Stop Work Order. Open ASAP

[Colin Stanners]

FYI

-- Forwarded message --
From: GME Supply Co 
Date: Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:37 AM
Subject: Mandatory Product Recall, Stop Work Order. Open ASAP
To: Colin Stanners 


Lad-Saf Cable Grab Recall from DBI Sala
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*IMMEDIATE ACTION REQUIRED DBI-SALA LAD-SAF SLEEVE*

Capital Safety/3M recently reviewed performance of the original Lad-Saf
sleeve in the field, including a limited number of incidents involving a
serious injury of death in the United States while using the sleeve.

In light of this, they have discontinued sale of the device and are
initiating a full recall of all original Lad-Saf sleeves. To initiate a
recall for any units you may have in the field, call 800-328-6146 or email
ladsa...@mmm.com.


Read more regarding the recall here
,
or click the recall notice below. Stay tuned for more information regarding
this recall.




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Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

[Mike Hammett]

I think most ePMP models are polarity agnostic. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:22:37 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP 




It appears, due to the polarity, this cannot be done. 
Netonix does not have an option to put positive on 7&8. 
So I need to figure out how to put it in a POE passive pass through mode it 
appears. 




From: Jordan Gregory 
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:19 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP 


Just the standard 48V. 24 isn't enough and the 4pin 48VH isn't necessary. 


On Aug 30, 2016 10:16 AM, "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






It has the GPS puck but I have not connected it yet. Just playing. 
What Netonix poe setting do you use? 




From: Jordan Gregory 
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:15 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP 


GPS synced or not? 
My ePMP 1000 w/ GPS are being powered by a netonix. SMs don't work though. 


On Aug 30, 2016 10:11 AM, "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






When powering an ePMP, I notice that the power supply from Cambium shows 7&8 
positive, 4&5 return. 
Is it not possible to power it directly from a Netonix WS-12-DC? 

Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

[Josh Baird]

Netonix will power GPS sync ePMP models just fine on 24V or 48V, but we run
them all at 48V due to the cold-temp in-rush problems that occurred in
early ePMP firmware.

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> It appears, due to the polarity, this cannot be done.
> Netonix does not have an option to put positive on 7&8.
> So I need to figure out how to put it in a POE passive pass through mode
> it appears.
>
> *From:* Jordan Gregory 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:19 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP
>
>
> Just the standard 48V. 24 isn't enough and the 4pin 48VH isn't necessary.
>
> On Aug 30, 2016 10:16 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> It has the GPS puck but I have not connected it yet.  Just playing.
>> What Netonix poe setting do you use?
>>
>> *From:* Jordan Gregory 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:15 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP
>>
>>
>> GPS synced or not?
>>
>> My ePMP 1000 w/ GPS are being powered by a netonix. SMs don't work though.
>>
>> On Aug 30, 2016 10:11 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>>> When powering an ePMP, I notice that the power supply from Cambium shows
>>> 7&8 positive, 4&5 return.
>>> Is it not possible to power it directly from a Netonix WS-12-DC?
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

[Chuck McCown]

It appears, due to the polarity, this cannot be done.  
Netonix does not have an option to put positive on 7&8.
So I need to figure out how to put it in a POE passive pass through mode it 
appears.  

From: Jordan Gregory 
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

Just the standard 48V. 24 isn't enough and the 4pin 48VH isn't necessary.


On Aug 30, 2016 10:16 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  It has the GPS puck but I have not connected it yet.  Just playing.  
  What Netonix poe setting do you use?

  From: Jordan Gregory 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:15 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

  GPS synced or not?

  My ePMP 1000 w/ GPS are being powered by a netonix. SMs don't work though.


  On Aug 30, 2016 10:11 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

When powering an ePMP, I notice that the power supply from Cambium shows 
7&8 positive, 4&5 return.  
Is it not possible to power it directly from a Netonix WS-12-DC?

Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

[Jordan Gregory]

Just the standard 48V. 24 isn't enough and the 4pin 48VH isn't necessary.

On Aug 30, 2016 10:16 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> It has the GPS puck but I have not connected it yet.  Just playing.
> What Netonix poe setting do you use?
>
> *From:* Jordan Gregory 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:15 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP
>
>
> GPS synced or not?
>
> My ePMP 1000 w/ GPS are being powered by a netonix. SMs don't work though.
>
> On Aug 30, 2016 10:11 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> When powering an ePMP, I notice that the power supply from Cambium shows
>> 7&8 positive, 4&5 return.
>> Is it not possible to power it directly from a Netonix WS-12-DC?
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

[Chuck McCown]

Not finding a true manual for the Netonix either.  There are many options that 
I am not sure about.  

From: Jordan Gregory 
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

GPS synced or not?

My ePMP 1000 w/ GPS are being powered by a netonix. SMs don't work though.


On Aug 30, 2016 10:11 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  When powering an ePMP, I notice that the power supply from Cambium shows 7&8 
positive, 4&5 return.  
  Is it not possible to power it directly from a Netonix WS-12-DC?

Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

[Chuck McCown]

It has the GPS puck but I have not connected it yet.  Just playing.  
What Netonix poe setting do you use?

From: Jordan Gregory 
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

GPS synced or not?

My ePMP 1000 w/ GPS are being powered by a netonix. SMs don't work though.


On Aug 30, 2016 10:11 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  When powering an ePMP, I notice that the power supply from Cambium shows 7&8 
positive, 4&5 return.  
  Is it not possible to power it directly from a Netonix WS-12-DC?

Re: [AFMUG] Powering ePMP

[Jordan Gregory]

GPS synced or not?

My ePMP 1000 w/ GPS are being powered by a netonix. SMs don't work though.

On Aug 30, 2016 10:11 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> When powering an ePMP, I notice that the power supply from Cambium shows
> 7&8 positive, 4&5 return.
> Is it not possible to power it directly from a Netonix WS-12-DC?
>

[AFMUG] Powering ePMP

[Chuck McCown]

When powering an ePMP, I notice that the power supply from Cambium shows 7&8 
positive, 4&5 return.  
Is it not possible to power it directly from a Netonix WS-12-DC?

[AFMUG] Monitoring (SNMP ideally) Sun x4440

[Josh Luthman]

Does anyone have any hints here?  The best I can see is creating dozens of
entries with the ~200 alarms and seeing if they're >1 to page me.

It's not worth having 200+ snmpget for this one box.  I'd also like to do
it in Powercode.  I was hoping there was a simple way to monitor like the
good/bad condition of the LED on the physical chassis.

I just want to know if there's a problem from a computer without having to
glance at the box.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Work tents

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I brought my dads ice fishing sled in once when I needed to work out in the
snow for an extended period, not sure what ever happenned to it. But those
are slick, they pop out of a sled and back down in when youre done with it.
They have to drag these out onto frozen lakes



On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 7:50 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> We have bought a couple cheap work tents over the past couple years and
> find they don’t hold up very well, or don’t stow well (without damage) in
> the vans.
>
>
>
> This is to place over the work area temporarily to protect from the
> elements
>
>
>
> Anybody have a goto make/model they can recommend?
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] OT: Work tents

[Paul McCall]

We have bought a couple cheap work tents over the past couple years and find 
they don't hold up very well, or don't stow well (without damage) in the vans.

This is to place over the work area temporarily to protect from the elements

Anybody have a goto make/model they can recommend?

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com