Re: [AFMUG] OT Songs that get us through it

[Rory Conaway]

Where is the OT on this?  Unless your mom knows more than you about 
wireless.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 8:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Songs that get us through it

This is WAY better than politics.

Adam Moffett wrote:
> So is your mom
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Josh Reynolds"  >
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Sent: 3/7/2017 1:25:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Songs that get us through it
>
>> Your face is awful >:}
>>
>> On Mar 7, 2017 8:00 AM, "Josh Luthman" > > wrote:
>>
>> Tool is just awful.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 1:13 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller
>> > wrote:
>>
>> no tool?  I'm disappointed...
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Jay Weekley 
>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 6, 2017 10:38 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Songs that get us through it
>>
>> That is one of my all time favorite songs.  An employee
>> asked me a few
>> hours ago what artist or group I would follow around if I
>> had the
>> opportunity and Ozzy Osbourne was my first answer
>> followed closely by
>> Judas Priest, Dio (if he was alive) and Iron Maiden.
>>
>> Sterling Jacobson wrote:
>> > A little Monday fun.
>> >
>> > In 2003 I quit being a 9-5 software engineer and
>> started a WISP.
>> >
>> > It was the downturn of the tech bubble in the early
>> 2000's and I was sick of it.
>> >
>> > I had no idea what the hell I was doing.
>> >
>> > It was a crazy ride and way outside of my expertise and
>> comfort zone.
>> >
>> > The lyrics to Ozzy's Believer were a part of the songs
>> that got me through it all.
>> >
>> > I think I played this song every time I started up the
>> mountain to fix another POS radio problem, lol!
>> >
>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxYP_HImgu4
>> 
>> >
>> > Lyrics for those that like Ozzy (emphasis added) :)
>> >
>> >
>> > Watching the time go and feeling belief grow
>> > Rise above the obstacles
>> > People beseech me but they'll never teach me
>> > Things that I already know (I know)
>> > --> Dreams that have shattered may not have mattered
>> > Take another point of view
>> > Doubts will arise though like chasing a rainbow
>> > I can tell a thing or two (that's true)
>> > --> You've got to believe in yourself
>> > or no one Will believe in you
>> > Imagination like a bird on the wing
>> > Flying, free for you to use (okay baby)
>> > I can't believe they stop and stare
>> > And point their fingers doubting me
>> > Their disbelief suppresses them
>> > --> But they're not blind it's just that they won't see
>> > I'm a believer, I ain't no deceiver
>> > Mountains move before my eyes
>> > --> Destiny planned out I don't need no handout
>> > Speculation of the wise
>> >
>> >
>> > -
>> > No virus found in this message.
>> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
>> > Version: 2016.0.7998 / Virus Database: 4756/14069 -
>> Release Date: 03/06/17
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
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> 03/07/17
>

Re: [AFMUG] Weird Mikrotik issue

[George Skorup]

MikroTik says it's allowed... 
https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=84048 Granted, that thread is 
going on 3 years old.


On 3/7/2017 9:17 PM, Jesse DuPont wrote:
You could also rename the "admin" user, but I suspect deleting it is 
disallowed in RouterOS and as a failsafe, it is simply recreating it. 
Alternative fact?


*_Jesse DuPont_*

Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
Celerity Networks LLC

Celerity Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc

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On 3/7/17 8:08 PM, George Skorup wrote:
I've never deleted the 'admin' account because of stupid crap like 
this. Could you imagine this happening after upgrading a whole bunch 
of important routers? That would suck. I'd say set a very strong 
password for the admin user and leave it alone. But that's just me.


What version of RouterOS is this again? There was a problem on the 
tile arch quite a while ago where IIRC, you'd set the admin password 
and it'd be gone after a reboot. I think that was back in the 6.10's 
or 20's.


On 3/7/2017 8:17 PM, Andreas Wiatowski wrote:


Nope…add in a terminal session with full rights.  My new users are 
created.  If I leave the default admin in with no password…I can 
return using the new login and pass.  The second I delete the admin 
account…next time I return the new users are wiped out and the admin 
account is back in place.


Cheers,

Andreas Wiatowski, CEO

Silo Wireless Inc.

519-449-5656 x-600

*From: *Af  on behalf of Adam Moffett 


*Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
*Date: *Tuesday, March 7, 2017 at 4:56 PM
*To: *"af@afmug.com" 
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Weird Mikrotik issue

Just to cover the dumb questions:

How's connectivity to it?  Winbox could act funny if there's packet 
lossin which case changing it via CLI might work.


Somebody isn't changing the password in "safe" mode are they?

-- Original Message --

From: "Andreas Wiatowski" <_andreas@silowireless.com_ 
>


To: "af@afmug.com" <_af@afmug.com_ >

Sent: 3/7/2017 4:28:24 PM

Subject: [AFMUG] Weird Mikrotik issue

We have one router that can’t seem to get a password to stick in
a CCR router.

Even if I change the password in this router is defaults back to
no password?  Anyone ever see this

Cheers,

__

Andreas Wiatowski | CEO

Silo Wireless Inc.

Email _Andreas@silowireless.com_ 

19 Sage Court

Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)

Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll
Free +1.866.727.4138

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings. (NEW UPDATE )

[George Skorup]

I think you've pretty much exhausted everything. If a 450i AP in the 
same port works and the ePMP doesn't, then something's obviously up with 
the ePMP. Do you have suppressors up by the radios?


We're not very deep in ePMP yet. Couple hundred radios. Lots of 
extremely small isolated POPs that don't really need sync. No APs on 
sync over power yet. The on-board GPS and pucks with the ePMP 2k's we've 
been rolling out have been working fine for me so far. I will eventually 
have them on PacketFlux injectors once we get the customers converted 
off of FSK at those micro sites.


I'm not running 6.38 on any MikroTiks yet. 6.32.2 has been working well 
for me for a long time. That said, multiple RB1100AHX2's have been 
having fits. Fans not working requiring a power-cycle to work again. 
Ports flapping for no apparent reason. One today with a Trango ApexPlus 
11 using a Trango POE/SS injector box. Went to the site to see if the 
cable was leaking water or something. Nope. 7919a type cable, perfectly 
fine. The port just starts flapping and throwing FCS errors randomly. 
Bounce the link and it works fine for a few minutes and starts over 
again. Then it mysteriously clears up on its own, of course before I can 
get to the site. Probably just going to end up replacing that router.


On 3/7/2017 6:22 PM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:


That is correct George. When I go back to the site I am going to see 
if one of the 450i APs will get sync on it. The 450i  are currently 
getting sync on a PacketFlux Power injector. During my initial testing 
to try and get sync to the ePMP AP I plugged one into the Power 
Injector that was feeding a 450i successfully.  This was running on 
Gbps from the mikrotik and had REVB surge suppression in place. The 
ePMP did not receive sync but the 450i had no issues and has run 
flawless since initial install.


At this point I am fine with the ePMP getting sync from the internal 
and running on 100mbps with the surge in place. I am just testing to 
test at this point. I realized that when I didn’t get sync from the 
Power Injector to the ePMP when it has been feeding sync to the 450i 
fine I made the _ASSUMPTION _ that the Syncinjector was in fact 
working and passing GPS  due to the flashing light. But I didn’t 
verify. A quick swap to a working 450i will tell me the truth.


Really I just posted incase this helped Chuck or Forest or really 
anyone else with a similar issue.


I am curious if anyone is running a MikroTik RB1100AHX2 ( 6.38.1 
firmware) through the Rev D suppression and powering with packetflux a 
ePMP AP at gig speed AND passing GPS to it and getting no drops / 
flaps. The fact that this same setup works at all my other sites with 
450i  does bother me some and the fact that I have never tried it on 
ePMP means I just don’t know.  This is the first site I had tried to 
pass GPS to a ePMP AP. We have always just used the onboard GPS 
before. It would be nice to hear confirmation that this works for 
everyone else with this setup and I am just nuts. Then I could move on.


I will say again though I am perfectly happy with Chucks suppression 
gear and Forests power and GPS gear. Works great for me and I am 
perfectly fine leaving this one site as is protected and running 
100mbps with onboard GPS.


Thanks all,

Brandon

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 07, 2017 2:17 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings. 
(NEW UPDATE )


Just to clarify, you cannot get sync over power to work on those two 
radios no matter what? All surge suppression removed doesn't get you 
sync over power from a SyncInjector or PowerInjector+Sync, nor a CMM3?


On 3/7/2017 12:11 PM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:

I wanted to give some additional updates on this thread since I
was able to go to the site and do some additional troubleshooting
before we started customer installs.  I found the following:

Running auto negotiation speed from the mikrotik with Gbps as an
option through a REV D GIGE-APC card and powered by a gigabit
syncinjector on 48 volts with  less than 180 feet of shielded
cable powering an epmp 2.4 GPS AP the Ethernet port flapped close
to 1000 times over night. It never did drop down to 100mbps
instead sticking with Gbps  We could not get GPS sync to the AP
using CMM3.

Running the same setup but with REV B ( which is what I had in
place to start) we had the same results over 1000 drops and no GPS
to the AP with CMM3

Running the same setup and no surge suppression at all gave 0
flaps overnight with the gigabit syncinjector powering the AP with
48 volts.

Running the same setup with no surge suppression at all gave o
flaps overnight with an OEM POE installed.

When we added a REV D suppression to the OEM POE there were only
10 flaps overnight and no GPS sync to the AP with CMM3.

When we added REV B to 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Songs that get us through it

[Jay Weekley]

This is WAY better than politics.

Adam Moffett wrote:

So is your mom


-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Reynolds" >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 3/7/2017 1:25:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Songs that get us through it


Your face is awful >:}

On Mar 7, 2017 8:00 AM, "Josh Luthman" > wrote:


Tool is just awful.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 1:13 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller
> wrote:

no tool?  I'm disappointed...

- Original Message -
*From:* Jay Weekley 
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Monday, March 6, 2017 10:38 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Songs that get us through it

That is one of my all time favorite songs.  An employee
asked me a few
hours ago what artist or group I would follow around if I
had the
opportunity and Ozzy Osbourne was my first answer
followed closely by
Judas Priest, Dio (if he was alive) and Iron Maiden.

Sterling Jacobson wrote:
> A little Monday fun.
>
> In 2003 I quit being a 9-5 software engineer and
started a WISP.
>
> It was the downturn of the tech bubble in the early
2000's and I was sick of it.
>
> I had no idea what the hell I was doing.
>
> It was a crazy ride and way outside of my expertise and
comfort zone.
>
> The lyrics to Ozzy's Believer were a part of the songs
that got me through it all.
>
> I think I played this song every time I started up the
mountain to fix another POS radio problem, lol!
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxYP_HImgu4

>
> Lyrics for those that like Ozzy (emphasis added) :)
>
>
> Watching the time go and feeling belief grow
> Rise above the obstacles
> People beseech me but they'll never teach me
> Things that I already know (I know)
> --> Dreams that have shattered may not have mattered
> Take another point of view
> Doubts will arise though like chasing a rainbow
> I can tell a thing or two (that's true)
> --> You've got to believe in yourself
> or no one Will believe in you
> Imagination like a bird on the wing
> Flying, free for you to use (okay baby)
> I can't believe they stop and stare
> And point their fingers doubting me
> Their disbelief suppresses them
> --> But they're not blind it's just that they won't see
> I'm a believer, I ain't no deceiver
> Mountains move before my eyes
> --> Destiny planned out I don't need no handout
> Speculation of the wise
>
>
> -
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
> Version: 2016.0.7998 / Virus Database: 4756/14069 -
Release Date: 03/06/17
>
>
>
>




No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
Version: 2016.0.7998 / Virus Database: 4756/14073 - Release Date: 03/07/17

Re: [AFMUG] Weird Mikrotik issue

[Jesse DuPont]

  
  
You could also rename the "admin" user, but I suspect deleting it is
disallowed in RouterOS and as a failsafe, it is simply recreating
it. Alternative fact?


  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
Jesse DuPont

  Network
  Architect
  email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
  Celerity Networks LLC
  Celerity
  Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
  Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
  

  

On 3/7/17 8:08 PM, George Skorup wrote:


  
  I've never deleted the 'admin' account because of stupid crap like
  this. Could you imagine this happening after upgrading a whole
  bunch of important routers? That would suck. I'd say set a very
  strong password for the admin user and leave it alone. But that's
  just me.
  
  What version of RouterOS is this again? There was a problem on the
  tile arch quite a while ago where IIRC, you'd set the admin
  password and it'd be gone after a reboot. I think that was back in
  the 6.10's or 20's.
  
  On 3/7/2017 8:17 PM, Andreas
Wiatowski wrote:
  
  






  Nope…add in a
  terminal session with full rights.  My new users are
  created.  If I leave the default admin in with no
  password…I can return using the new login and pass.  The
  second I delete the admin account…next time I return the
  new users are wiped out and the admin account is back in
  place.
   
  

  Cheers,


   


  Andreas
  Wiatowski, CEO


  Silo
  Wireless Inc.


  519-449-5656
  x-600

  
   
   
  
From: 
  Af 
on behalf of Adam Moffett 
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 at 4:56 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Mikrotik issue
  
  
 
  
  
Just to cover the dumb questions: 
  
  
How's connectivity to it?  Winbox could
  act funny if there's packet lossin which case changing
  it via CLI might work.
  
  
Somebody isn't changing the password in
  "safe" mode are they?
  
  
 
  
  
-- Original Message --
  
  
From: "Andreas Wiatowski" 
  
  
To: "af@afmug.com"
  
  
  
Sent: 3/7/2017 4:28:24 PM
  
  
Subject: [AFMUG] Weird Mikrotik issue
  
  
 
  
  

  We have one router that can’t seem to get
  a password to stick in a CCR router.
   
  Even if I change the password in this
  router is defaults back to no password?  Anyone ever
  see this
   
   
   
  Cheers,
  __
  Andreas Wiatowski | CEO
  Silo Wireless Inc.
  Email  andr...@silowireless.com
  19 Sage Court
  Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)
  Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax
  +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free +1.866.727.4138
   

  

  
  


  

Re: [AFMUG] Weird Mikrotik issue

[George Skorup]

I've never deleted the 'admin' account because of stupid crap like this. 
Could you imagine this happening after upgrading a whole bunch of 
important routers? That would suck. I'd say set a very strong password 
for the admin user and leave it alone. But that's just me.


What version of RouterOS is this again? There was a problem on the tile 
arch quite a while ago where IIRC, you'd set the admin password and it'd 
be gone after a reboot. I think that was back in the 6.10's or 20's.


On 3/7/2017 8:17 PM, Andreas Wiatowski wrote:


Nope…add in a terminal session with full rights.  My new users are 
created.  If I leave the default admin in with no password…I can 
return using the new login and pass.  The second I delete the admin 
account…next time I return the new users are wiped out and the admin 
account is back in place.


Cheers,

Andreas Wiatowski, CEO

Silo Wireless Inc.

519-449-5656 x-600

*From: *Af  on behalf of Adam Moffett 


*Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
*Date: *Tuesday, March 7, 2017 at 4:56 PM
*To: *"af@afmug.com" 
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Weird Mikrotik issue

Just to cover the dumb questions:

How's connectivity to it?  Winbox could act funny if there's packet 
lossin which case changing it via CLI might work.


Somebody isn't changing the password in "safe" mode are they?

-- Original Message --

From: "Andreas Wiatowski" <_andreas@silowireless.com_ 
>


To: "af@afmug.com" <_af@afmug.com_ >

Sent: 3/7/2017 4:28:24 PM

Subject: [AFMUG] Weird Mikrotik issue

We have one router that can’t seem to get a password to stick in a
CCR router.

Even if I change the password in this router is defaults back to
no password?  Anyone ever see this

Cheers,

__

Andreas Wiatowski | CEO

Silo Wireless Inc.

Email _Andreas@silowireless.com_ 

19 Sage Court

Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)

Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free
+1.866.727.4138

Re: [AFMUG] Weird Mikrotik issue

[Andreas Wiatowski]

Nope…add in a terminal session with full rights.  My new users are created.  If 
I leave the default admin in with no password…I can return using the new login 
and pass.  The second I delete the admin account…next time I return the new 
users are wiped out and the admin account is back in place.

Cheers,

Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
519-449-5656 x-600


From: Af  on behalf of Adam Moffett 
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 at 4:56 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Mikrotik issue

Just to cover the dumb questions:
How's connectivity to it?  Winbox could act funny if there's packet lossin 
which case changing it via CLI might work.
Somebody isn't changing the password in "safe" mode are they?

-- Original Message --
From: "Andreas Wiatowski" 
>
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Sent: 3/7/2017 4:28:24 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Weird Mikrotik issue

We have one router that can’t seem to get a password to stick in a CCR router.

Even if I change the password in this router is defaults back to no password?  
Anyone ever see this



Cheers,
__
Andreas Wiatowski | CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
Email  andr...@silowireless.com
19 Sage Court
Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)
Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free 
+1.866.727.4138

Re: [AFMUG] Weird Mikrotik issue

[Andreas Wiatowski]

Direct IP.. no safe mode… reboot the router same issue… updated to latest 
build. I will try via command line.  That is a good suggestion.

Cheers,

Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
519-449-5656 x-600


From: Af  on behalf of Adam Moffett 
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 at 4:56 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird Mikrotik issue

Just to cover the dumb questions:
How's connectivity to it?  Winbox could act funny if there's packet lossin 
which case changing it via CLI might work.
Somebody isn't changing the password in "safe" mode are they?

-- Original Message --
From: "Andreas Wiatowski" 
>
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Sent: 3/7/2017 4:28:24 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Weird Mikrotik issue

We have one router that can’t seem to get a password to stick in a CCR router.

Even if I change the password in this router is defaults back to no password?  
Anyone ever see this



Cheers,
__
Andreas Wiatowski | CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
Email  andr...@silowireless.com
19 Sage Court
Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)
Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free 
+1.866.727.4138

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik error message in log

[SmarterBroadband]

Good thought, but no.  We copy paste config using export file and there are no 
MAC addresses.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jesse DuPont
Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 1:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik error message in log

 

Copied and pasted a config, including bridge MAC address, from one router to a 
newly deployed router?

Jesse DuPont

Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net  
Celerity Networks LLC

Celerity Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc

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On 3/7/17 2:09 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

Has anyone ever had this error message in the Mikrotik log?

 

Interface, warning vpls9: bridge port received packet with own address as 
source address (4c:5e:0c:48:78:27), probably loop

 

This message is appearing on one of our vpls hub routers.  Any ideas on how to 
track down the cause?

 

Thanks

 

Adam

 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings. (NEW UPDATE )

[Brandon Yuchasz]

That is correct George. When I go back to the site I am going to see if one of 
the 450i APs will get sync on it. The 450i  are currently getting sync on a 
PacketFlux Power injector. During my initial testing to try and get sync to the 
ePMP AP I plugged one into the Power Injector that was feeding a 450i 
successfully.  This was running on Gbps from the mikrotik and had REVB surge 
suppression in place. The ePMP did not receive sync but the 450i had no issues 
and has run flawless since initial install.  

 

At this point I am fine with the ePMP getting sync from the internal and 
running on 100mbps with the surge in place. I am just testing to test at this 
point. I realized that when I didn’t get sync from the Power Injector to the 
ePMP when it has been feeding sync to the 450i fine I made the ASSUMPTION  that 
the Syncinjector was in fact working and passing GPS  due to the flashing 
light. But I didn’t verify. A quick swap to a working 450i will tell me the 
truth. 

 

Really I just posted incase this helped Chuck or Forest or really anyone else 
with a similar issue.

 

I am curious if anyone is running a MikroTik RB1100AHX2 ( 6.38.1 firmware) 
through the Rev D suppression and powering with packetflux a ePMP AP at gig 
speed AND passing GPS to it and getting no drops / flaps. The fact that this 
same setup works at all my other sites with 450i  does bother me some and the 
fact that I have never tried it on ePMP means I just don’t know.  This is the 
first site I had tried to pass GPS to a ePMP AP. We have always just used the 
onboard GPS before. It would be nice to hear confirmation that this works for 
everyone else with this setup and I am just nuts. Then I could move on.

 

I will say again though I am perfectly happy with Chucks suppression gear and 
Forests power and GPS gear. Works great for me and I am perfectly fine leaving 
this one site as is protected and running 100mbps with onboard GPS.

 

 

Thanks all,

Brandon

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2017 2:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings. (NEW UPDATE )

 

Just to clarify, you cannot get sync over power to work on those two radios no 
matter what? All surge suppression removed doesn't get you sync over power from 
a SyncInjector or PowerInjector+Sync, nor a CMM3?

On 3/7/2017 12:11 PM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:

I wanted to give some additional updates on this thread since I was able to go 
to the site and do some additional troubleshooting before we started customer 
installs.  I found the following:

 

Running auto negotiation speed from the mikrotik with Gbps as an option through 
a REV D GIGE-APC card and powered by a gigabit syncinjector on 48 volts with  
less than 180 feet of shielded cable powering an epmp 2.4 GPS AP the Ethernet 
port flapped close to 1000 times over night. It never did drop down to 100mbps 
instead sticking with Gbps  We could not get GPS sync to the AP using CMM3.

 

Running the same setup but with REV B ( which is what I had in place to start) 
we had the same results over 1000 drops and no GPS to the AP with CMM3

 

Running the same setup and no surge suppression at all gave 0 flaps overnight 
with the gigabit syncinjector powering the AP with 48 volts.

 

Running the same setup with no surge suppression at all gave o flaps overnight 
with an OEM POE installed.

 

When we added a REV D suppression to the OEM POE there were only 10 flaps 
overnight and no GPS sync to the AP with CMM3.

 

When we added REV B to the OEM POE there were only 14 flaps overnight and no 
GPS to the AP with CMM3

 

We used the same two APs for all this testing.

 

Strangely enough I have an epmp force 200 backhaul at this site that is running 
through the REV B with OEM POE and has had 0 flaps overs  a few weeks now and 
has negotiated Gbps speed. Could be a fluke, could be wire. Hard to say.

 

Breaking the shielding on the cables made no difference in flaps or GPS still 
no joy.

 

I have removed Gbps from the negotiation option on the Microtik at this point 
and every one of the APs regardless of REV B or REV D have worked perfectly on 
100mbps with OEM POE or Packetflux and obviously also with the surge 
suppression. I am fine running at 100mbps on our ePMP and plan to leave it 
configured this way.

 

This site defiantly did not like Gbps, packetflux and the suppression all in 
the mix at the same time.

 

Hopefully this helps Chuck as he digs into the ubiquity issue. I don’t have any 
in my network. 

 

Best Regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Removing the 

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 8:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings. (UPDATE)

 

Looks like REV D is the one you want.  

 

From: Brandon Yuchasz 

Sent: 

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium PTP650 Sync and Packetflux

[Bill Prince]

I think Forrest is right. PTP500/600/650 uses a different sync mechanism.
-bp 

On Tuesday, March 7, 2017 3:38 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
 wrote:
 

 My understanding is that the 650 only receives sync from a PTP650 sync unit.
If it is not compatible with either a CMM3, CMM4 or CMM5.   Which means that it 
by extension won't be compatible with any of our gear.


On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:31 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:

I am curious if anyone has synced the 650 with Packetflux gear. What's the best 
configuration?

-- 
-- 
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com



-- 

| Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 
59602forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
   |




   

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium PTP650 Sync and Packetflux

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

My understanding is that the 650 only receives sync from a PTP650 sync unit.

If it is not compatible with either a CMM3, CMM4 or CMM5.   Which means
that it by extension won't be compatible with any of our gear.



On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:31 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:

> I am curious if anyone has synced the 650 with Packetflux gear. What's the
> best configuration?
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 <(575)%20758-7598> Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>



-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] Weird Mikrotik issue

[Adam Moffett]

Just to cover the dumb questions:
How's connectivity to it?  Winbox could act funny if there's packet 
lossin which case changing it via CLI might work.

Somebody isn't changing the password in "safe" mode are they?

-- Original Message --
From: "Andreas Wiatowski" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 3/7/2017 4:28:24 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Weird Mikrotik issue

We have one router that can’t seem to get a password to stick in a CCR 
router.




Even if I change the password in this router is defaults back to no 
password?  Anyone ever see this








Cheers,

__

Andreas Wiatowski | CEO

Silo Wireless Inc.

Email  andr...@silowireless.com

19 Sage Court

Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)

Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free 
+1.866.727.4138

Re: [AFMUG] Weird Mikrotik issue

[can...@believewireless.net]

Remember having this happen years ago. Can't remember if it required a
reboot or upgrade to fix.
Also, try it via CLI if you are using Winbox.

On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 4:28 PM, Andreas Wiatowski 
wrote:

> We have one router that can’t seem to get a password to stick in a CCR
> router.
>
>
>
> Even if I change the password in this router is defaults back to no
> password?  Anyone ever see this
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> __
>
> Andreas Wiatowski | CEO
>
> Silo Wireless Inc.
>
> Email  andr...@silowireless.com
>
> 19 Sage Court
>
> Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)
>
> Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600 <(519)%20449-5656>|Fax +1.519.449.5536
> <(519)%20449-5536> |Toll Free +1.866.727.4138 <(866)%20727-4138>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik error message in log

[Jesse DuPont]

  
  
Copied and pasted a config, including bridge MAC address, from one
router to a newly deployed router?


  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
Jesse DuPont

  Network
  Architect
  email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
  Celerity Networks LLC
  Celerity
  Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
  Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
  

  

On 3/7/17 2:09 PM, SmarterBroadband
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
Has anyone ever had this error message in
  the Mikrotik log?
 
Interface,
warning vpls9: bridge port received packet with own
address as source address (4c:5e:0c:48:78:27), probably loop
 
This message is appearing on one of our
  vpls hub routers.  Any ideas on how to track down the cause?
 
Thanks
 
Adam
  


  

[AFMUG] Weird Mikrotik issue

[Andreas Wiatowski]

We have one router that can't seem to get a password to stick in a CCR router.

Even if I change the password in this router is defaults back to no password?  
Anyone ever see this



Cheers,
__
Andreas Wiatowski | CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
Email  andr...@silowireless.com
19 Sage Court
Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)
Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free 
+1.866.727.4138

[AFMUG] Mikrotik error message in log

[SmarterBroadband]

Has anyone ever had this error message in the Mikrotik log?

 

Interface, warning vpls9: bridge port received packet with own address
as source address (4c:5e:0c:48:78:27), probably loop

 

This message is appearing on one of our vpls hub routers.  Any ideas on how
to track down the cause?

 

Thanks

 

Adam

Re: [AFMUG] OT Songs that get us through it

[Adam Moffett]

So is your mom


-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Reynolds" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/7/2017 1:25:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Songs that get us through it


Your face is awful >:}

On Mar 7, 2017 8:00 AM, "Josh Luthman"  
wrote:

Tool is just awful.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 1:13 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
 wrote:


no tool?  I'm disappointed...


- Original Message -
From:Jay Weekley 
To:af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 10:38 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Songs that get us through it

That is one of my all time favorite songs.  An employee asked me a 
few

hours ago what artist or group I would follow around if I had the
opportunity and Ozzy Osbourne was my first answer followed closely 
by

Judas Priest, Dio (if he was alive) and Iron Maiden.

Sterling Jacobson wrote:
> A little Monday fun.
>
> In 2003 I quit being a 9-5 software engineer and started a WISP.
>
> It was the downturn of the tech bubble in the early 2000's and I 
was sick of it.

>
> I had no idea what the hell I was doing.
>
> It was a crazy ride and way outside of my expertise and comfort 
zone.

>
> The lyrics to Ozzy's Believer were a part of the songs that got me 
through it all.

>
> I think I played this song every time I started up the mountain to 
fix another POS radio problem, lol!

>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxYP_HImgu4 


>
> Lyrics for those that like Ozzy (emphasis added) :)
>
>
> Watching the time go and feeling belief grow
> Rise above the obstacles
> People beseech me but they'll never teach me
> Things that I already know (I know)
> --> Dreams that have shattered may not have mattered
> Take another point of view
> Doubts will arise though like chasing a rainbow
> I can tell a thing or two (that's true)
> --> You've got to believe in yourself
> or no one Will believe in you
> Imagination like a bird on the wing
> Flying, free for you to use (okay baby)
> I can't believe they stop and stare
> And point their fingers doubting me
> Their disbelief suppresses them
> --> But they're not blind it's just that they won't see
> I'm a believer, I ain't no deceiver
> Mountains move before my eyes
> --> Destiny planned out I don't need no handout
> Speculation of the wise
>
>
> -
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 2016.0.7998 / Virus Database: 4756/14069 - Release Date: 
03/06/17

>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Songs that get us through it

[Josh Luthman]

So we're just stating facts now?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 1:25 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Your face is awful >:}
>
> On Mar 7, 2017 8:00 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
> Tool is just awful.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 1:13 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> no tool?  I'm disappointed...
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Jay Weekley 
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 6, 2017 10:38 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Songs that get us through it
>>
>> That is one of my all time favorite songs.  An employee asked me a few
>> hours ago what artist or group I would follow around if I had the
>> opportunity and Ozzy Osbourne was my first answer followed closely by
>> Judas Priest, Dio (if he was alive) and Iron Maiden.
>>
>> Sterling Jacobson wrote:
>> > A little Monday fun.
>> >
>> > In 2003 I quit being a 9-5 software engineer and started a WISP.
>> >
>> > It was the downturn of the tech bubble in the early 2000's and I was
>> sick of it.
>> >
>> > I had no idea what the hell I was doing.
>> >
>> > It was a crazy ride and way outside of my expertise and comfort zone.
>> >
>> > The lyrics to Ozzy's Believer were a part of the songs that got me
>> through it all.
>> >
>> > I think I played this song every time I started up the mountain to fix
>> another POS radio problem, lol!
>> >
>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxYP_HImgu4
>> >
>> > Lyrics for those that like Ozzy (emphasis added) :)
>> >
>> >
>> > Watching the time go and feeling belief grow
>> > Rise above the obstacles
>> > People beseech me but they'll never teach me
>> > Things that I already know (I know)
>> > --> Dreams that have shattered may not have mattered
>> > Take another point of view
>> > Doubts will arise though like chasing a rainbow
>> > I can tell a thing or two (that's true)
>> > --> You've got to believe in yourself
>> > or no one Will believe in you
>> > Imagination like a bird on the wing
>> > Flying, free for you to use (okay baby)
>> > I can't believe they stop and stare
>> > And point their fingers doubting me
>> > Their disbelief suppresses them
>> > --> But they're not blind it's just that they won't see
>> > I'm a believer, I ain't no deceiver
>> > Mountains move before my eyes
>> > --> Destiny planned out I don't need no handout
>> > Speculation of the wise
>> >
>> >
>> > -
>> > No virus found in this message.
>> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>> > Version: 2016.0.7998 / Virus Database: 4756/14069 - Release Date:
>> 03/06/17
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings. (NEW UPDATE )

[George Skorup]

Just to clarify, you cannot get sync over power to work on those two 
radios no matter what? All surge suppression removed doesn't get you 
sync over power from a SyncInjector or PowerInjector+Sync, nor a CMM3?


On 3/7/2017 12:11 PM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote:


I wanted to give some additional updates on this thread since I was 
able to go to the site and do some additional troubleshooting before 
we started customer installs.  I found the following:


Running auto negotiation speed from the mikrotik with Gbps as an 
option through a REV D GIGE-APC card and powered by a gigabit 
syncinjector on 48 volts with  less than 180 feet of shielded cable 
powering an epmp 2.4 GPS AP the Ethernet port flapped close to 1000 
times over night. It never did drop down to 100mbps instead sticking 
with Gbps  We could not get GPS sync to the AP using CMM3.


Running the same setup but with REV B ( which is what I had in place 
to start) we had the same results over 1000 drops and no GPS to the AP 
with CMM3


Running the same setup and no surge suppression at all gave 0 flaps 
overnight with the gigabit syncinjector powering the AP with 48 volts.


Running the same setup with no surge suppression at all gave o flaps 
overnight with an OEM POE installed.


When we added a REV D suppression to the OEM POE there were only 10 
flaps overnight and no GPS sync to the AP with CMM3.


When we added REV B to the OEM POE there were only 14 flaps overnight 
and no GPS to the AP with CMM3


We used the same two APs for all this testing.

Strangely enough I have an epmp force 200 backhaul at this site that 
is running through the REV B with OEM POE and has had 0 flaps overs  a 
few weeks now and has negotiated Gbps speed. Could be a fluke, could 
be wire. Hard to say.


Breaking the shielding on the cables made no difference in flaps or 
GPS still no joy.


I have removed Gbps from the negotiation option on the Microtik at 
this point and every one of the APs regardless of REV B or REV D have 
worked perfectly on 100mbps with OEM POE or Packetflux and obviously 
also with the surge suppression. I am fine running at 100mbps on our 
ePMP and plan to leave it configured this way.


This site defiantly did not like Gbps, packetflux and the suppression 
all in the mix at the same time.


Hopefully this helps Chuck as he digs into the ubiquity issue. I don’t 
have any in my network.


Best Regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

Removing the

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 8:32 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings. 
(UPDATE)


Looks like REV D is the one you want.

*From:*Brandon Yuchasz

*Sent:*Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:29 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings. 
(UPDATE)


Thanks everyone for the feedback.

Chuck, I will check the version of the GIGE-APC. Although when I 
ordered from CTI “my guy” assured me they were the newest.


George, I ran the unit on 48 volts for a while but wanted to step down 
to 30 volts incase down the road someone plugs a none GPS ePMP 
backhaul into the unit. Not sure how the none GPS ePMP would feel 
about 48 volts.


Thanks,

Brandon

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 22, 2017 8:22 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings. 
(UPDATE)


I would check the rev of the GIGE-APC card.  Older cards did not play 
well with ePMP sync over power.


*From:*Brandon Yuchasz

*Sent:*Tuesday, February 21, 2017 7:39 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings. 
(UPDATE)


Forest,

Thanks for the reply. I will answer your questions below but won’t be 
able to try the breaking of the shielded cable until I visit the site 
again. It could be a couple weeks before I am there again.


Here is the info:

We were running 24 volts ( although as you pointed out I took it up to 
48 volts by putting it in place of the 450i) I did not have a 30 volt 
on the truck so put the 24 volt in until I could replace it.


Cable length is less than 200 feet probably closer to 180 feet.

It was about 40 degrees F when I was trying to do this and sunny.

This is a gigabit sync injector . The 450i  that I plugged it in place 
of was/ is being fed by a PowerInjector Plus. ( have not touched the 
jumpers)


These are being feed through a MTOW ( newest version rack mount APC 
style ) suppression. I could look it up for model but I think you know 
what I mean.


One thing worth mentioning is my MicroTik RB1100 was having issues 
negotiation Gig connections on the ePMP APs and the 450i  APs. I ended 
up letting it negotiate 100mb instead. The ePMP backhauls are running 
auto negotiated gig no problem but are on Cambium OEM POE instead 

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT issues

[Chuck McCown]

Thanks, and there will be some situations where noise levels on grounding 
systems are enough different from the noise on the data that the surge 
suppressor will activate.  But wow, that is a lot of noise.  We have the lowest 
capacitive loading of the data pairs on the market.  But again in a marginal 
situation, the suppressor could add enough NEXT or FEXT or loss or something to 
cause a problem.  

I have probably sold in excess of 100K of these units.  When there is a 
systemic design problem I hear about it right away from many parties.  

Generally we hear the odd one off now and then like this but nothing systemic.  

From: Brandon Yuchasz 
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2017 11:11 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT issues

Chuck. Interesting timing on this item. Last night I stated typing an update to 
my epmp, gps, microtik, packetflux issue thread from a few weeks ago. I didn’t 
sent it because I wanted to do just one or two more tests before I “put it in 
the wild”. Ill go ahead and send it right now but still plan to do some more 
troubleshooting when I get to the site later this week and will send out a 
final update after that is done.

 

My network is also using MikroTik but is ePMP. Ill send it out.

 

 

Brandon

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2017 11:30 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT issues

 

I would eliminate MT and see if problem goes awayHad grounding issues with 
them before... 

 

On Mar 7, 2017 10:10 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

I wouldn't assume it's the Mikrotik.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Jeremy" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 11:04:02 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT issues

I would point to a potential Mikrotik issueas we do not use Mikrotik at 
all.  We use Cisco and Netonix.

 

On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Jeremy  wrote:

We use the GIGE-POE-APC on 100% of our network infrastructure.  We have over 
100 APs, and countless backhauls running on these.  I have every flavor of UBNT 
running on these surge suppressors, and have never had a single issue.  We have 
AC gear, AirFibers, M-series, you name it.

 

On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 9:58 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

I received the following from a distributor (from one of their customers)  this 
morning:

 

  We have some issues with their GigE suppressors with Mikrotik Routers and 
UBNT AC gear. Using the combination of the 3 we generate sever FCS errors on 
these links, which causes issues. If we bypass suppression, these links run 
clear and without issue.

 

I have not heard of this before.  We made some improvements that helped ePMP 
and 450 gear, but nothing like this.  Many times odd  issues like this are due 
to noise coming through the ground.  

 

I will attempt to replicate this once I know the exact gear to get.  I wish the 
customer would just loan me the gear with the problem but I don’t know who the 
customer is.  

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT issues

[Chuck McCown]

The only thing common to the problem is the surge protector.  Remove that and 
the problem goes away.  In my mind that is a lousy ground.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2017 10:30 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT issues

I would eliminate MT and see if problem goes awayHad grounding issues with 
them before... 

On Mar 7, 2017 10:10 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

  I wouldn't assume it's the Mikrotik.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Jeremy" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 11:04:02 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT issues


  I would point to a potential Mikrotik issueas we do not use Mikrotik at 
all.  We use Cisco and Netonix.

  On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Jeremy  wrote:

We use the GIGE-POE-APC on 100% of our network infrastructure.  We have 
over 100 APs, and countless backhauls running on these.  I have every flavor of 
UBNT running on these surge suppressors, and have never had a single issue.  We 
have AC gear, AirFibers, M-series, you name it.

On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 9:58 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I received the following from a distributor (from one of their customers) 
 this morning:

We have some issues with their GigE suppressors with Mikrotik Routers 
and UBNT AC gear. Using the combination of the 3 we generate sever FCS errors 
on these links, which causes issues. If we bypass suppression, these links run 
clear and without issue.



  I have not heard of this before.  We made some improvements that helped 
ePMP and 450 gear, but nothing like this.  Many times odd  issues like this are 
due to noise coming through the ground.  



  I will attempt to replicate this once I know the exact gear to get.  I 
wish the customer would just loan me the gear with the problem but I don’t know 
who the customer is.  

[AFMUG] Cambium PTP650 Sync and Packetflux

[Sam Lambie]

I am curious if anyone has synced the 650 with Packetflux gear. What's the
best configuration?

-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

[Peter Kranz]

Pricing on the PMP product from Siklu starts at around $800 per subscriber
unit and $2000 per base unit, but they do require license keys for full
performance.

Base sector provides a 90Hx20V degree coverage pattern

Overall sector performance between 500 Mbps and 1.8Gbps depending on license
keys

Link ranges up to around 375 meters

Each base unit can support up to 3?(I think) Subscribers 

 

Peter Kranz
  www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
  pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig Schmaderer
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 6:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

 

What is this stuff going to cost?  Obviously this is for micropops. Can I go
through 1 tree? Can i lay real fiber cheaper?

 

  _  

From: Af  > on behalf of
Gino Villarini  >
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:27:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions 

 

The new term is HFW Hybrid Fiber Wireless  

 

From: Af  > on behalf of
Ken Hohhof  >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com  "  >
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 3:27 PM
To: "af@afmug.com  "  >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

 

So are all of us going to have to start calling wireless "fiber" now,
because that's what the big guys are doing?

 

Reminiscent of the Einstein quote, it's like a very long cat, but without
the cat.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 12:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

 

Aparrently some beta units to big guys like Google Fiberwave

 

From: Af  > on behalf of
Jaime Solorza 
>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com  "  >
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 12:14 PM
To: "af@afmug.com  "  >
Subject: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

 

Heard they are shipping... True? 


 

Gino Villarini


President


Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968




 

Gino Villarini


President


Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT issues

[Jeremy]

I don't mean I would assume it is the Mikrotik because there is anything
inherently wrong with them.  I mean, I have seen reports of Ethernet issues
between specific devices on certain models of Mikrotik.  Without looking at
this person's network, it would be tough to diagnose their issue, but I
would eliminate the Tik and see if it changes (assuming all other potential
grounding issues have been addressed).

You need more data from the customer Chuck. A few questions that I would
have initially: Are they using shielded cable, and is it ran correctly and
are the ends properly grounded?  Is the rack or surge suppressor properly
grounded?  If they bypass the suppressor does it immediately go away? If
they replace the suppressor with a new one, is it the same?  Do Mikrotik
ports on certain models tend to have more errors when grounding issues
exist?

All that I am saying is that I am certain that there are no widespread
issues with powering AC devices with these suppressors.  We have many UBNT
AC devices that have been running without issue since 2015.  We have,
however had a few over the years that have taken too many near-field
strikes and had a couple that will no longer negotiate at 1G.  Is it
possible these have taken damage, and the errors occur because they are
Gigabit Ethernet devices?

On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 10:10 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> I wouldn't assume it's the Mikrotik.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Jeremy" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 7, 2017 11:04:02 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] UBNT issues
>
> I would point to a potential Mikrotik issueas we do not use Mikrotik
> at all.  We use Cisco and Netonix.
>
> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
>
>> We use the GIGE-POE-APC on 100% of our network infrastructure.  We have
>> over 100 APs, and countless backhauls running on these.  I have every
>> flavor of UBNT running on these surge suppressors, and have never had a
>> single issue.  We have AC gear, AirFibers, M-series, you name it.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 9:58 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> I received the following from a distributor (from one of their
>>> customers)  this morning:
>>>
>>>
>>> We have some issues with their GigE suppressors with Mikrotik Routers
>>> and UBNT AC gear. Using the combination of the 3 we generate sever FCS
>>> errors on these links, which causes issues. If we bypass suppression, these
>>> links run clear and without issue.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have not heard of this before.  We made some improvements that helped
>>> ePMP and 450 gear, but nothing like this.  Many times odd  issues like this
>>> are due to noise coming through the ground.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I will attempt to replicate this once I know the exact gear to get.  I
>>> wish the customer would just loan me the gear with the problem but I don’t
>>> know who the customer is.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] It's heeeeere.... well amost.

[Dave]

Now we need one that will fit in my 2 cmm4 outdoor cabinets.
the cabinets is all I have left after a storm took not one but 2 out on 
the same tower till we figured out

how the lightning was destroying them but they did protect the radios.
 a few static-cats and in-line DC-surge blocks later and were good.



On 02/28/2017 11:02 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

http://store.packetflux.com/packetflux-rackinjector/

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Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com  | 
http://www.packetflux.com 
 
 





--

Re: [AFMUG] It's heeeeere.... well amost.

[Dave]

ok, now you have my attention..


On 02/28/2017 11:02 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

http://store.packetflux.com/packetflux-rackinjector/

--
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Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com  | 
http://www.packetflux.com 
 
 





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Re: [AFMUG] OT Songs that get us through it

[Josh Reynolds]

Your face is awful >:}

On Mar 7, 2017 8:00 AM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

Tool is just awful.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 1:13 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
wrote:

>
> no tool?  I'm disappointed...
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Jay Weekley 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Monday, March 6, 2017 10:38 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Songs that get us through it
>
> That is one of my all time favorite songs.  An employee asked me a few
> hours ago what artist or group I would follow around if I had the
> opportunity and Ozzy Osbourne was my first answer followed closely by
> Judas Priest, Dio (if he was alive) and Iron Maiden.
>
> Sterling Jacobson wrote:
> > A little Monday fun.
> >
> > In 2003 I quit being a 9-5 software engineer and started a WISP.
> >
> > It was the downturn of the tech bubble in the early 2000's and I was
> sick of it.
> >
> > I had no idea what the hell I was doing.
> >
> > It was a crazy ride and way outside of my expertise and comfort zone.
> >
> > The lyrics to Ozzy's Believer were a part of the songs that got me
> through it all.
> >
> > I think I played this song every time I started up the mountain to fix
> another POS radio problem, lol!
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxYP_HImgu4
> >
> > Lyrics for those that like Ozzy (emphasis added) :)
> >
> >
> > Watching the time go and feeling belief grow
> > Rise above the obstacles
> > People beseech me but they'll never teach me
> > Things that I already know (I know)
> > --> Dreams that have shattered may not have mattered
> > Take another point of view
> > Doubts will arise though like chasing a rainbow
> > I can tell a thing or two (that's true)
> > --> You've got to believe in yourself
> > or no one Will believe in you
> > Imagination like a bird on the wing
> > Flying, free for you to use (okay baby)
> > I can't believe they stop and stare
> > And point their fingers doubting me
> > Their disbelief suppresses them
> > --> But they're not blind it's just that they won't see
> > I'm a believer, I ain't no deceiver
> > Mountains move before my eyes
> > --> Destiny planned out I don't need no handout
> > Speculation of the wise
> >
> >
> > -
> > No virus found in this message.
> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> > Version: 2016.0.7998 / Virus Database: 4756/14069 - Release Date:
> 03/06/17
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Songs that get us through it

[Justin Wilson]

Todd Rundgren  - Hate my fricking ISP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMsMeoXvq2A 




Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

---
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth

http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric

> On Mar 7, 2017, at 9:00 AM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> Tool is just awful.
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 1:13 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller  > wrote:
>  
> no tool?  I'm disappointed...
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Jay Weekley 
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 10:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Songs that get us through it
> 
> That is one of my all time favorite songs.  An employee asked me a few 
> hours ago what artist or group I would follow around if I had the 
> opportunity and Ozzy Osbourne was my first answer followed closely by 
> Judas Priest, Dio (if he was alive) and Iron Maiden.
> 
> Sterling Jacobson wrote:
> > A little Monday fun.
> >
> > In 2003 I quit being a 9-5 software engineer and started a WISP.
> >
> > It was the downturn of the tech bubble in the early 2000's and I was sick 
> > of it.
> >
> > I had no idea what the hell I was doing.
> >
> > It was a crazy ride and way outside of my expertise and comfort zone.
> >
> > The lyrics to Ozzy's Believer were a part of the songs that got me through 
> > it all.
> >
> > I think I played this song every time I started up the mountain to fix 
> > another POS radio problem, lol!
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxYP_HImgu4 
> > 
> >
> > Lyrics for those that like Ozzy (emphasis added) :)
> >
> >
> > Watching the time go and feeling belief grow
> > Rise above the obstacles
> > People beseech me but they'll never teach me
> > Things that I already know (I know)
> > --> Dreams that have shattered may not have mattered
> > Take another point of view
> > Doubts will arise though like chasing a rainbow
> > I can tell a thing or two (that's true)
> > --> You've got to believe in yourself
> > or no one Will believe in you
> > Imagination like a bird on the wing
> > Flying, free for you to use (okay baby)
> > I can't believe they stop and stare
> > And point their fingers doubting me
> > Their disbelief suppresses them
> > --> But they're not blind it's just that they won't see
> > I'm a believer, I ain't no deceiver
> > Mountains move before my eyes
> > --> Destiny planned out I don't need no handout
> > Speculation of the wise
> >
> >
> > -
> > No virus found in this message.
> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
> > Version: 2016.0.7998 / Virus Database: 4756/14069 - Release Date: 03/06/17
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings. (NEW UPDATE )

[Brandon Yuchasz]

I wanted to give some additional updates on this thread since I was able to go 
to the site and do some additional troubleshooting before we started customer 
installs.  I found the following:

 

Running auto negotiation speed from the mikrotik with Gbps as an option through 
a REV D GIGE-APC card and powered by a gigabit syncinjector on 48 volts with  
less than 180 feet of shielded cable powering an epmp 2.4 GPS AP the Ethernet 
port flapped close to 1000 times over night. It never did drop down to 100mbps 
instead sticking with Gbps  We could not get GPS sync to the AP using CMM3.

 

Running the same setup but with REV B ( which is what I had in place to start) 
we had the same results over 1000 drops and no GPS to the AP with CMM3

 

Running the same setup and no surge suppression at all gave 0 flaps overnight 
with the gigabit syncinjector powering the AP with 48 volts.

 

Running the same setup with no surge suppression at all gave o flaps overnight 
with an OEM POE installed.

 

When we added a REV D suppression to the OEM POE there were only 10 flaps 
overnight and no GPS sync to the AP with CMM3.

 

When we added REV B to the OEM POE there were only 14 flaps overnight and no 
GPS to the AP with CMM3

 

We used the same two APs for all this testing.

 

Strangely enough I have an epmp force 200 backhaul at this site that is running 
through the REV B with OEM POE and has had 0 flaps overs  a few weeks now and 
has negotiated Gbps speed. Could be a fluke, could be wire. Hard to say.

 

Breaking the shielding on the cables made no difference in flaps or GPS still 
no joy.

 

I have removed Gbps from the negotiation option on the Microtik at this point 
and every one of the APs regardless of REV B or REV D have worked perfectly on 
100mbps with OEM POE or Packetflux and obviously also with the surge 
suppression. I am fine running at 100mbps on our ePMP and plan to leave it 
configured this way.

 

This site defiantly did not like Gbps, packetflux and the suppression all in 
the mix at the same time.

 

Hopefully this helps Chuck as he digs into the ubiquity issue. I don’t have any 
in my network. 

 

Best Regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Removing the 

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 8:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings. (UPDATE)

 

Looks like REV D is the one you want.  

 

From: Brandon Yuchasz 

Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:29 AM

To:   af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings. (UPDATE)

 

Thanks everyone for the feedback.

Chuck, I will check the version of the GIGE-APC. Although when I ordered from 
CTI “my guy” assured me they were the newest. 

George, I ran the unit on 48 volts for a while but wanted to step down to 30 
volts incase down the road someone plugs a none GPS ePMP backhaul into the 
unit. Not sure how the none GPS ePMP would feel about 48 volts.

 

Thanks,

Brandon

 

 

 

From: Af [  mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 8:22 AM
To:   af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings. (UPDATE)

 

I would check the rev of the GIGE-APC card.  Older cards did not play well with 
ePMP sync over power.  

 

From: Brandon Yuchasz 

Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 7:39 PM

To:   af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings. (UPDATE)

 

Forest,

Thanks for the reply. I will answer your questions below but won’t be able to 
try the breaking of the shielded cable until I visit the site again. It could 
be a couple weeks before I am there again.

Here is the info:

 

We were running 24 volts ( although as you pointed out I took it up to 48 volts 
by putting it in place of the 450i) I did not have a 30 volt on the truck so 
put the 24 volt in until I could replace it.

 

Cable length is less than 200 feet probably closer to 180 feet.

 

It was about 40 degrees F when I was trying to do this and sunny.

 

This is a gigabit sync injector . The 450i  that I plugged it in place of was/ 
is being fed by a PowerInjector Plus. ( have not touched the jumpers)

 

These are being feed through a MTOW ( newest version rack mount APC style ) 
suppression. I could look it up for model but I think you know what I mean. 

 

One thing worth mentioning is my MicroTik RB1100 was having issues negotiation 
Gig connections on the ePMP APs and the 450i  APs. I ended up letting it 
negotiate 100mb instead. The ePMP backhauls are running auto negotiated gig no 
problem but are on Cambium OEM POE instead of a packetflux for power. Same 
suppression in place and same shielded cables.

 

Let me know your thoughts. I am happy to try breaking the shielding connection 

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT issues

[Brandon Yuchasz]

Chuck. Interesting timing on this item. Last night I stated typing an update to 
my epmp, gps, microtik, packetflux issue thread from a few weeks ago. I didn’t 
sent it because I wanted to do just one or two more tests before I “put it in 
the wild”. Ill go ahead and send it right now but still plan to do some more 
troubleshooting when I get to the site later this week and will send out a 
final update after that is done.

 

My network is also using MikroTik but is ePMP. Ill send it out.

 

 

Brandon

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2017 11:30 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT issues

 

I would eliminate MT and see if problem goes awayHad grounding issues with 
them before... 

 

On Mar 7, 2017 10:10 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

I wouldn't assume it's the Mikrotik.



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 




  _  

From: "Jeremy" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 11:04:02 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT issues

I would point to a potential Mikrotik issueas we do not use Mikrotik at 
all.  We use Cisco and Netonix.

 

On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Jeremy  wrote:

We use the GIGE-POE-APC on 100% of our network infrastructure.  We have over 
100 APs, and countless backhauls running on these.  I have every flavor of UBNT 
running on these surge suppressors, and have never had a single issue.  We have 
AC gear, AirFibers, M-series, you name it.

 

On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 9:58 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

I received the following from a distributor (from one of their customers)  this 
morning:

 

We have some issues with their GigE suppressors with Mikrotik Routers and UBNT 
AC gear. Using the combination of the 3 we generate sever FCS errors on these 
links, which causes issues. If we bypass suppression, these links run clear and 
without issue.

 

I have not heard of this before.  We made some improvements that helped ePMP 
and 450 gear, but nothing like this.  Many times odd  issues like this are due 
to noise coming through the ground.  

 

I will attempt to replicate this once I know the exact gear to get.  I wish the 
customer would just loan me the gear with the problem but I don’t know who the 
customer is.  

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON

[Gerard Dupont III]

That's the chassis. Then add the GTGH 16 port line card or the GTGO 8 port
card.

We use the Huawei ETP4830-A1 power supply and a string of telco batteries
or you can replace one of the SMXA supervisor/uplink cards with a PRAM and
do AC directly inside the C320.

There are slight differences between these parts. For example, the SMXA
uplink card has different subcards. One is 10G and other is just 1G. Card
SMXA subcard UCDC/3 is what you want for 10G. Same for the ETP4830-A1, one
of the subcards has ethernet and the other 2 models only have RS232/RS485.



On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Is something like this a smaller version of what you're using?
>
> https://wholesaler.alibaba.com/product-detail/Original-
> ZTE-OLT-ZXA10-Mini-Device_60221381720.html?spm=a2700.
> 7724838.0.0.zODsrR=p
>
> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>
>> Ok, so my keyboard makes me look drunk Gerard says...
>>
>> I've got 4 chassis's no problem, all with Class C optics.  LOL!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>>
>>> I've to 4 chassis so far and never a problem.  Not buying Alphion, ZTE.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Paul Stewart 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Interesting …. do they work ok?

 I came from Calix and Adtran world for GPON/ONT stuff … considerably
 more than that.  I did look at some DWDM stuff from China and it was total
 junk in my opinion - some people like it .. not my thing.


 On Mar 6, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

 I'm importing direct from China.  16Port OLT with Class Optics and
 Power Supply for $3200.  ONT's for $25.  PLC's from $2-10 depending on the
 split.  Check Alibaba.

 Regards,
 Chuck

 On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 2:31 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> Yup. My plan is to start 32:1 and knock it down to 16:1 and throw in
> another OLT if needed.
>
> On 3/6/2017 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> Google did 32x1. Common at the time of their initial deployment was
> 64x1. The company I just got off the ground did 16x1.
>
> On Mar 6, 2017 11:47 AM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
> wrote:
>
>> AE gets to be a headache with power costs and heat control in
>> cabinets.
>>
>>
>> Low oversub GPON is plenty good for now and probably well into the
>> future.
>>
>>
>> I believe that is what Google did, maybe 8:1 max split?
>>
>>
>> The temptation with GPON is to stretch it to the limits, which might
>> cause some re-splicing down the road if you want super high FDX.
>>
>>
>> AE doesn’t have that problem even with equipment a decade old I can
>> still supply the same SFP+ switch with 180Gbps each if I want to carry 
>> that
>> much on the backhaul. Equipment is super cheap, and it’s essentially
>> backwards compatible with GPON if your neighborhood runs are short like
>> mine. But again, lots of power is required.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 5, 2017 8:08 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>>
>>
>> Calix has NG PON2 which does 10 Gbps per wavelength and multiple
>> wavelengths all overlaid on GPON so nothing in the OSP has to change.  
>> All
>> the splitters etc still work.  That will give everyone on the PON 312.5
>> Mbps symmetrical all at the same time.  So oversubscribing 3:1 you could
>> sell 1G symmetrical to everyone and probably not run out of headroom.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Carlos Alcantar
>>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 05, 2017 3:35 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>>
>>
>> to add to this post with the new PON technologies being released this
>> year giving everyone 1G FDX is going to be a non issue.
>>
>>
>>
>> Carlos Alcantar
>>
>> Race Communications / Race Team Member
>>
>> 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010
>>
>> Phone: +1 415 376 3314 <%28415%29%20376-3314> / car...@race.com /
>> http://www.race.com
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From:* Af  on behalf of George Skorup <
>> george.sko...@cbcast.com>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 4, 2017 8:44:29 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>>
>>
>> I'm not really worried about POTS and RF. Everyone is using cell
>> phones and watching Netflix.
>>
>> The AE deployment is a total waste of equipment and resources for the
>> utilization we're seeing. I have to go there next week 

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT issues

[Jaime Solorza]

I would eliminate MT and see if problem goes awayHad grounding issues
with them before...

On Mar 7, 2017 10:10 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> I wouldn't assume it's the Mikrotik.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Jeremy" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 7, 2017 11:04:02 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] UBNT issues
>
> I would point to a potential Mikrotik issueas we do not use Mikrotik
> at all.  We use Cisco and Netonix.
>
> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
>
>> We use the GIGE-POE-APC on 100% of our network infrastructure.  We have
>> over 100 APs, and countless backhauls running on these.  I have every
>> flavor of UBNT running on these surge suppressors, and have never had a
>> single issue.  We have AC gear, AirFibers, M-series, you name it.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 9:58 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> I received the following from a distributor (from one of their
>>> customers)  this morning:
>>>
>>>
>>> We have some issues with their GigE suppressors with Mikrotik Routers
>>> and UBNT AC gear. Using the combination of the 3 we generate sever FCS
>>> errors on these links, which causes issues. If we bypass suppression, these
>>> links run clear and without issue.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have not heard of this before.  We made some improvements that helped
>>> ePMP and 450 gear, but nothing like this.  Many times odd  issues like this
>>> are due to noise coming through the ground.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I will attempt to replicate this once I know the exact gear to get.  I
>>> wish the customer would just loan me the gear with the problem but I don’t
>>> know who the customer is.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON

[Jason McKemie]

Is something like this a smaller version of what you're using?

https://wholesaler.alibaba.com/product-detail/Original-ZTE-OLT-ZXA10-Mini-Device_60221381720.html?spm=a2700.7724838.0.0.zODsrR=p

On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

> Ok, so my keyboard makes me look drunk Gerard says...
>
> I've got 4 chassis's no problem, all with Class C optics.  LOL!
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>
>> I've to 4 chassis so far and never a problem.  Not buying Alphion, ZTE.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Paul Stewart 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting …. do they work ok?
>>>
>>> I came from Calix and Adtran world for GPON/ONT stuff … considerably
>>> more than that.  I did look at some DWDM stuff from China and it was total
>>> junk in my opinion - some people like it .. not my thing.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 6, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm importing direct from China.  16Port OLT with Class Optics and Power
>>> Supply for $3200.  ONT's for $25.  PLC's from $2-10 depending on the
>>> split.  Check Alibaba.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 2:31 PM, George Skorup 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yup. My plan is to start 32:1 and knock it down to 16:1 and throw in
 another OLT if needed.

 On 3/6/2017 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

 Google did 32x1. Common at the time of their initial deployment was
 64x1. The company I just got off the ground did 16x1.

 On Mar 6, 2017 11:47 AM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
 wrote:

> AE gets to be a headache with power costs and heat control in cabinets.
>
>
> Low oversub GPON is plenty good for now and probably well into the
> future.
>
>
> I believe that is what Google did, maybe 8:1 max split?
>
>
> The temptation with GPON is to stretch it to the limits, which might
> cause some re-splicing down the road if you want super high FDX.
>
>
> AE doesn’t have that problem even with equipment a decade old I can
> still supply the same SFP+ switch with 180Gbps each if I want to carry 
> that
> much on the backhaul. Equipment is super cheap, and it’s essentially
> backwards compatible with GPON if your neighborhood runs are short like
> mine. But again, lots of power is required.
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 5, 2017 8:08 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>
>
> Calix has NG PON2 which does 10 Gbps per wavelength and multiple
> wavelengths all overlaid on GPON so nothing in the OSP has to change.  All
> the splitters etc still work.  That will give everyone on the PON 312.5
> Mbps symmetrical all at the same time.  So oversubscribing 3:1 you could
> sell 1G symmetrical to everyone and probably not run out of headroom.
>
>
> *From:* Carlos Alcantar
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 05, 2017 3:35 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>
>
> to add to this post with the new PON technologies being released this
> year giving everyone 1G FDX is going to be a non issue.
>
>
>
> Carlos Alcantar
>
> Race Communications / Race Team Member
>
> 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010
>
> Phone: +1 415 376 3314 <%28415%29%20376-3314> / car...@race.com /
> http://www.race.com
>
> --
>
> *From:* Af  on behalf of George Skorup <
> george.sko...@cbcast.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 4, 2017 8:44:29 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>
>
> I'm not really worried about POTS and RF. Everyone is using cell
> phones and watching Netflix.
>
> The AE deployment is a total waste of equipment and resources for the
> utilization we're seeing. I have to go there next week and turn up another
> switch. The 1Gbps feed is averaging less than 100Mbps every night. The
> network owner was convinced that everyone had to have 1G FDX. They just
> don't realize how much electronics and power is required for 1k ports.
> There's less than 100 customers so far, so please, for the love of god,
> lets fix this now! We'll see what happens.
>
> Anyway.. this project we're looking to do on our own is a neighborhood
> of rich bitches. We already have PMP450 there and it works fine. They 
> "want
> more speed" and if they're willing to put up some cash for it, then we'll
> build it.
>
> On 3/4/2017 9:55 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> Alphion does, yes.
>
>
> On Mar 4, 2017 9:53 PM, "Chuck McCown" 

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT issues

[Adam Moffett]

If it's Mikrotik, it might also only affect a specific model.  CCR, for 
one, is more fussy than some of the others.



-- Original Message --
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/7/2017 12:10:41 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT issues


I wouldn't assume it's the Mikrotik.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP





From: "Jeremy" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 11:04:02 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT issues

I would point to a potential Mikrotik issueas we do not use 
Mikrotik at all.  We use Cisco and Netonix.


On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
We use the GIGE-POE-APC on 100% of our network infrastructure.  We 
have over 100 APs, and countless backhauls running on these.  I have 
every flavor of UBNT running on these surge suppressors, and have 
never had a single issue.  We have AC gear, AirFibers, M-series, you 
name it.


On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 9:58 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
I received the following from a distributor (from one of their 
customers)  this morning:


We have some issues with their GigE suppressors with Mikrotik 
Routers and UBNT AC gear. Using the combination of the 3 we generate 
sever FCS errors on these links, which causes issues. If we bypass 
suppression, these links run clear and without issue.





I have not heard of this before.  We made some improvements that 
helped ePMP and 450 gear, but nothing like this.  Many times odd  
issues like this are due to noise coming through the ground.




I will attempt to replicate this once I know the exact gear to get.  
I wish the customer would just loan me the gear with the problem but 
I don’t know who the customer is.

Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON

[Chuck Hogg]

Ok, so my keyboard makes me look drunk Gerard says...

I've got 4 chassis's no problem, all with Class C optics.  LOL!

Regards,
Chuck

On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

> I've to 4 chassis so far and never a problem.  Not buying Alphion, ZTE.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:
>
>> Interesting …. do they work ok?
>>
>> I came from Calix and Adtran world for GPON/ONT stuff … considerably more
>> than that.  I did look at some DWDM stuff from China and it was total junk
>> in my opinion - some people like it .. not my thing.
>>
>>
>> On Mar 6, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>>
>> I'm importing direct from China.  16Port OLT with Class Optics and Power
>> Supply for $3200.  ONT's for $25.  PLC's from $2-10 depending on the
>> split.  Check Alibaba.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 2:31 PM, George Skorup 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yup. My plan is to start 32:1 and knock it down to 16:1 and throw in
>>> another OLT if needed.
>>>
>>> On 3/6/2017 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>>
>>> Google did 32x1. Common at the time of their initial deployment was
>>> 64x1. The company I just got off the ground did 16x1.
>>>
>>> On Mar 6, 2017 11:47 AM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 AE gets to be a headache with power costs and heat control in cabinets.


 Low oversub GPON is plenty good for now and probably well into the
 future.


 I believe that is what Google did, maybe 8:1 max split?


 The temptation with GPON is to stretch it to the limits, which might
 cause some re-splicing down the road if you want super high FDX.


 AE doesn’t have that problem even with equipment a decade old I can
 still supply the same SFP+ switch with 180Gbps each if I want to carry that
 much on the backhaul. Equipment is super cheap, and it’s essentially
 backwards compatible with GPON if your neighborhood runs are short like
 mine. But again, lots of power is required.


 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
 *Sent:* Sunday, March 5, 2017 8:08 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON


 Calix has NG PON2 which does 10 Gbps per wavelength and multiple
 wavelengths all overlaid on GPON so nothing in the OSP has to change.  All
 the splitters etc still work.  That will give everyone on the PON 312.5
 Mbps symmetrical all at the same time.  So oversubscribing 3:1 you could
 sell 1G symmetrical to everyone and probably not run out of headroom.


 *From:* Carlos Alcantar

 *Sent:* Sunday, March 05, 2017 3:35 AM

 *To:* af@afmug.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON


 to add to this post with the new PON technologies being released this
 year giving everyone 1G FDX is going to be a non issue.



 Carlos Alcantar

 Race Communications / Race Team Member

 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010

 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 <%28415%29%20376-3314> / car...@race.com /
 http://www.race.com

 --

 *From:* Af  on behalf of George Skorup <
 george.sko...@cbcast.com>
 *Sent:* Saturday, March 4, 2017 8:44:29 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON


 I'm not really worried about POTS and RF. Everyone is using cell phones
 and watching Netflix.

 The AE deployment is a total waste of equipment and resources for the
 utilization we're seeing. I have to go there next week and turn up another
 switch. The 1Gbps feed is averaging less than 100Mbps every night. The
 network owner was convinced that everyone had to have 1G FDX. They just
 don't realize how much electronics and power is required for 1k ports.
 There's less than 100 customers so far, so please, for the love of god,
 lets fix this now! We'll see what happens.

 Anyway.. this project we're looking to do on our own is a neighborhood
 of rich bitches. We already have PMP450 there and it works fine. They "want
 more speed" and if they're willing to put up some cash for it, then we'll
 build it.

 On 3/4/2017 9:55 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

 Alphion does, yes.


 On Mar 4, 2017 9:53 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

 What kind of costs are you talking?
 Does  it talk to ONTs?  ONTs with POTS ports?

 Sterling is AE, I know his costs are pretty low.
 -Original Message- From: George Skorup Sent: Saturday, March
 04, 2017 8:39 PM To: af@afmug.com ; memb...@wispa.org Subject: [AFMUG]
 Small-scale GPON

 We're looking to do another "fiberhood" with GPON instead of AE this
 

Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON

[Jason McKemie]

Chuck -

Do you have model numbers for the OLT/ONT you are buying?

Is the documentation / interface in English?

On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

> I've to 4 chassis so far and never a problem.  Not buying Alphion, ZTE.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:
>
>> Interesting …. do they work ok?
>>
>> I came from Calix and Adtran world for GPON/ONT stuff … considerably more
>> than that.  I did look at some DWDM stuff from China and it was total junk
>> in my opinion - some people like it .. not my thing.
>>
>>
>> On Mar 6, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>>
>> I'm importing direct from China.  16Port OLT with Class Optics and Power
>> Supply for $3200.  ONT's for $25.  PLC's from $2-10 depending on the
>> split.  Check Alibaba.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 2:31 PM, George Skorup 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yup. My plan is to start 32:1 and knock it down to 16:1 and throw in
>>> another OLT if needed.
>>>
>>> On 3/6/2017 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>>
>>> Google did 32x1. Common at the time of their initial deployment was
>>> 64x1. The company I just got off the ground did 16x1.
>>>
>>> On Mar 6, 2017 11:47 AM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 AE gets to be a headache with power costs and heat control in cabinets.


 Low oversub GPON is plenty good for now and probably well into the
 future.


 I believe that is what Google did, maybe 8:1 max split?


 The temptation with GPON is to stretch it to the limits, which might
 cause some re-splicing down the road if you want super high FDX.


 AE doesn’t have that problem even with equipment a decade old I can
 still supply the same SFP+ switch with 180Gbps each if I want to carry that
 much on the backhaul. Equipment is super cheap, and it’s essentially
 backwards compatible with GPON if your neighborhood runs are short like
 mine. But again, lots of power is required.


 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
 *Sent:* Sunday, March 5, 2017 8:08 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON


 Calix has NG PON2 which does 10 Gbps per wavelength and multiple
 wavelengths all overlaid on GPON so nothing in the OSP has to change.  All
 the splitters etc still work.  That will give everyone on the PON 312.5
 Mbps symmetrical all at the same time.  So oversubscribing 3:1 you could
 sell 1G symmetrical to everyone and probably not run out of headroom.


 *From:* Carlos Alcantar

 *Sent:* Sunday, March 05, 2017 3:35 AM

 *To:* af@afmug.com

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON


 to add to this post with the new PON technologies being released this
 year giving everyone 1G FDX is going to be a non issue.



 Carlos Alcantar

 Race Communications / Race Team Member

 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010

 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 <%28415%29%20376-3314> / car...@race.com /
 http://www.race.com

 --

 *From:* Af  on behalf of George Skorup <
 george.sko...@cbcast.com>
 *Sent:* Saturday, March 4, 2017 8:44:29 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON


 I'm not really worried about POTS and RF. Everyone is using cell phones
 and watching Netflix.

 The AE deployment is a total waste of equipment and resources for the
 utilization we're seeing. I have to go there next week and turn up another
 switch. The 1Gbps feed is averaging less than 100Mbps every night. The
 network owner was convinced that everyone had to have 1G FDX. They just
 don't realize how much electronics and power is required for 1k ports.
 There's less than 100 customers so far, so please, for the love of god,
 lets fix this now! We'll see what happens.

 Anyway.. this project we're looking to do on our own is a neighborhood
 of rich bitches. We already have PMP450 there and it works fine. They "want
 more speed" and if they're willing to put up some cash for it, then we'll
 build it.

 On 3/4/2017 9:55 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

 Alphion does, yes.


 On Mar 4, 2017 9:53 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

 What kind of costs are you talking?
 Does  it talk to ONTs?  ONTs with POTS ports?

 Sterling is AE, I know his costs are pretty low.
 -Original Message- From: George Skorup Sent: Saturday, March
 04, 2017 8:39 PM To: af@afmug.com ; memb...@wispa.org Subject: [AFMUG]
 Small-scale GPON

 We're looking to do another "fiberhood" with GPON instead of AE this
 time around. I 

Re: [AFMUG] Zirkel Mounts for radios

[Chuck Hogg]

I'd email Sean, s...@zirkel.us

Regards,
Chuck

On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 11:43 AM, Rob Genovesi 
wrote:

> Haven't seen that mount before.  If you have trouble finding them the
> Mimosa "FlexiMount" might be a good alternative (~$7 MSRP)
> : http://mimosa.co/product#accessories-section
>
> -Rob
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 8:30 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> I've always bought these off Ebay
>> [image: 10 Pack of Antenna Mounts for Motorola / Cambium Canopy and
>> Ubiquiti Antennas]
>>
>> '10 Pack of Antenna Mounts for Motorola / Cambium Canopy and Ubiquiti
>> Antennas'  I've always referred to them as 'Zirkel' Mounts.  The last
>> auction expired in Feburary, and there don't' seem to be any others right
>> now.  Does anyone know where to get these from?  My Stock is out.
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-Pack-of-Antenna-Mounts-for-Motoro
>> la-Cambium-Canopy-and-Ubiquiti-Antennas-/141266325396?hash=i
>> tem20e4210f94:m:mbtRpGADYgZayq8reDNnwNw
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON

[Chuck Hogg]

I've to 4 chassis so far and never a problem.  Not buying Alphion, ZTE.

Regards,
Chuck

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

> Interesting …. do they work ok?
>
> I came from Calix and Adtran world for GPON/ONT stuff … considerably more
> than that.  I did look at some DWDM stuff from China and it was total junk
> in my opinion - some people like it .. not my thing.
>
>
> On Mar 6, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>
> I'm importing direct from China.  16Port OLT with Class Optics and Power
> Supply for $3200.  ONT's for $25.  PLC's from $2-10 depending on the
> split.  Check Alibaba.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 2:31 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
>> Yup. My plan is to start 32:1 and knock it down to 16:1 and throw in
>> another OLT if needed.
>>
>> On 3/6/2017 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> Google did 32x1. Common at the time of their initial deployment was 64x1.
>> The company I just got off the ground did 16x1.
>>
>> On Mar 6, 2017 11:47 AM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> AE gets to be a headache with power costs and heat control in cabinets.
>>>
>>>
>>> Low oversub GPON is plenty good for now and probably well into the
>>> future.
>>>
>>>
>>> I believe that is what Google did, maybe 8:1 max split?
>>>
>>>
>>> The temptation with GPON is to stretch it to the limits, which might
>>> cause some re-splicing down the road if you want super high FDX.
>>>
>>>
>>> AE doesn’t have that problem even with equipment a decade old I can
>>> still supply the same SFP+ switch with 180Gbps each if I want to carry that
>>> much on the backhaul. Equipment is super cheap, and it’s essentially
>>> backwards compatible with GPON if your neighborhood runs are short like
>>> mine. But again, lots of power is required.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 5, 2017 8:08 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>>>
>>>
>>> Calix has NG PON2 which does 10 Gbps per wavelength and multiple
>>> wavelengths all overlaid on GPON so nothing in the OSP has to change.  All
>>> the splitters etc still work.  That will give everyone on the PON 312.5
>>> Mbps symmetrical all at the same time.  So oversubscribing 3:1 you could
>>> sell 1G symmetrical to everyone and probably not run out of headroom.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Carlos Alcantar
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 05, 2017 3:35 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>>>
>>>
>>> to add to this post with the new PON technologies being released this
>>> year giving everyone 1G FDX is going to be a non issue.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Carlos Alcantar
>>>
>>> Race Communications / Race Team Member
>>>
>>> 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010
>>>
>>> Phone: +1 415 376 3314 <%28415%29%20376-3314> / car...@race.com /
>>> http://www.race.com
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From:* Af  on behalf of George Skorup <
>>> george.sko...@cbcast.com>
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 4, 2017 8:44:29 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small-scale GPON
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not really worried about POTS and RF. Everyone is using cell phones
>>> and watching Netflix.
>>>
>>> The AE deployment is a total waste of equipment and resources for the
>>> utilization we're seeing. I have to go there next week and turn up another
>>> switch. The 1Gbps feed is averaging less than 100Mbps every night. The
>>> network owner was convinced that everyone had to have 1G FDX. They just
>>> don't realize how much electronics and power is required for 1k ports.
>>> There's less than 100 customers so far, so please, for the love of god,
>>> lets fix this now! We'll see what happens.
>>>
>>> Anyway.. this project we're looking to do on our own is a neighborhood
>>> of rich bitches. We already have PMP450 there and it works fine. They "want
>>> more speed" and if they're willing to put up some cash for it, then we'll
>>> build it.
>>>
>>> On 3/4/2017 9:55 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>>
>>> Alphion does, yes.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 4, 2017 9:53 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>>
>>> What kind of costs are you talking?
>>> Does  it talk to ONTs?  ONTs with POTS ports?
>>>
>>> Sterling is AE, I know his costs are pretty low.
>>> -Original Message- From: George Skorup Sent: Saturday, March 04,
>>> 2017 8:39 PM To: af@afmug.com ; memb...@wispa.org Subject: [AFMUG]
>>> Small-scale GPON
>>>
>>> We're looking to do another "fiberhood" with GPON instead of AE this
>>> time around. I remember Chuck Hogg mentioned Alphion. Has anyone deployed
>>> the AOLT-4200? Looks like a good solution. Or what else have you used for
>>> small deployments?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT issues

[Mike Hammett]

I wouldn't assume it's the Mikrotik. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Jeremy"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 11:04:02 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT issues 


I would point to a potential Mikrotik issueas we do not use Mikrotik at 
all. We use Cisco and Netonix. 


On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Jeremy < jeremysmi...@gmail.com > wrote: 



We use the GIGE-POE-APC on 100% of our network infrastructure. We have over 100 
APs, and countless backhauls running on these. I have every flavor of UBNT 
running on these surge suppressors, and have never had a single issue. We have 
AC gear, AirFibers, M-series, you name it. 




On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 9:58 AM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






I received the following from a distributor (from one of their customers) this 
morning: 



We have some issues with their GigE suppressors with Mikrotik Routers and UBNT 
AC gear. Using the combination of the 3 we generate sever FCS errors on these 
links, which causes issues. If we bypass suppression, these links run clear and 
without issue. 



I have not heard of this before. We made some improvements that helped ePMP and 
450 gear, but nothing like this. Many times odd issues like this are due to 
noise coming through the ground. 

I will attempt to replicate this once I know the exact gear to get. I wish the 
customer would just loan me the gear with the problem but I don’t know who the 
customer is. 

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT issues

[Jeremy]

I would point to a potential Mikrotik issueas we do not use Mikrotik at
all.  We use Cisco and Netonix.

On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Jeremy  wrote:

> We use the GIGE-POE-APC on 100% of our network infrastructure.  We have
> over 100 APs, and countless backhauls running on these.  I have every
> flavor of UBNT running on these surge suppressors, and have never had a
> single issue.  We have AC gear, AirFibers, M-series, you name it.
>
> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 9:58 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> I received the following from a distributor (from one of their
>> customers)  this morning:
>>
>>
>> We have some issues with their GigE suppressors with Mikrotik Routers and
>> UBNT AC gear. Using the combination of the 3 we generate sever FCS errors
>> on these links, which causes issues. If we bypass suppression, these links
>> run clear and without issue.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have not heard of this before.  We made some improvements that helped
>> ePMP and 450 gear, but nothing like this.  Many times odd  issues like this
>> are due to noise coming through the ground.
>>
>>
>>
>> I will attempt to replicate this once I know the exact gear to get.  I
>> wish the customer would just loan me the gear with the problem but I don’t
>> know who the customer is.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT issues

[Jeremy]

We use the GIGE-POE-APC on 100% of our network infrastructure.  We have
over 100 APs, and countless backhauls running on these.  I have every
flavor of UBNT running on these surge suppressors, and have never had a
single issue.  We have AC gear, AirFibers, M-series, you name it.

On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 9:58 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I received the following from a distributor (from one of their customers)
> this morning:
>
>
> We have some issues with their GigE suppressors with Mikrotik Routers and
> UBNT AC gear. Using the combination of the 3 we generate sever FCS errors
> on these links, which causes issues. If we bypass suppression, these links
> run clear and without issue.
>
>
>
> I have not heard of this before.  We made some improvements that helped
> ePMP and 450 gear, but nothing like this.  Many times odd  issues like this
> are due to noise coming through the ground.
>
>
>
> I will attempt to replicate this once I know the exact gear to get.  I
> wish the customer would just loan me the gear with the problem but I don’t
> know who the customer is.
>

[AFMUG] UBNT issues

[Chuck McCown]

I received the following from a distributor (from one of their customers)  this 
morning:

  We have some issues with their GigE suppressors with Mikrotik Routers and 
UBNT AC gear. Using the combination of the 3 we generate sever FCS errors on 
these links, which causes issues. If we bypass suppression, these links run 
clear and without issue.



I have not heard of this before.  We made some improvements that helped ePMP 
and 450 gear, but nothing like this.  Many times odd  issues like this are due 
to noise coming through the ground.  



I will attempt to replicate this once I know the exact gear to get.  I wish the 
customer would just loan me the gear with the problem but I don’t know who the 
customer is.  

Re: [AFMUG] Wikileaks #Vault7 CIA Backdoor leaks

[Josh Reynolds]

I don't think he'll revisit Guantanamo unless the goal is to move them from
there to US based privatized prisons.

On Mar 7, 2017 9:42 AM, "Steve"  wrote:

I get you.  In principle it is WRONG.  Obviously.  I also don't agree with
the terrorist detainees without trials.  Just the fact they can arbitrarily
take anyone.  Hopefully Trump will consider revising the Patriot act when
it comes back up.

Like I said at the end  - its bittersweet.  I am not in fear of getting in
trouble because I don't do anything wrong.  But then again I don't want
wiretaps in my office and or home either.

Ask a woman if its ok to look through their purse when they are not
looking.  See if that is acceptable behavior.

On a side note looks like the Mikrotik exploits are mainly based on the
webfig side so far.



- Original Message -
From: "Stefan Englhardt" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 10:30:51 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wikileaks #Vault7 CIA Backdoor leaks

> I knew about windows since like 98 because I knew a Microsoft employee who
> told me about what they could do.  Skype didn't surprise me either.  Quite
> frankly I don't care because I don't have anything to hide.

This "I don't have anything to hide" is as long as your country behaves
fair to you.
For 95% of the world this is not the case. And even in US you might run
into problems communicating with the wrong people or sharing a bus with
them. Remember there are/were some people in Guantanamo which never seen a
judge. Some are free after years without a hearing. I guess they have
another view.

Look at this case:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murat_Kurnaz
He met some filter criteria and had no chance.

I have nothing to hide but I have no good feeling seeing what possibilities
are in the hands of people I dont know and I am not sure about their
motivation. May be arresting someone helps their career. So they lower the
filter and grab someone who is just at the wrong time and place as Kurnaz.

>
>
>
> I'm torn about this because this pisses me off.. but then again they need
to be
> able to spy on other countries to protect us.  So this is a bittersweet
day.
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tim Reichhart" 
> To: "af" 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 9:56:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wikileaks #Vault7 CIA Backdoor leaks
>
> Now I can see this being problem for Miktroik or for that matter
Edgerouters or
> any type of Linux based routers. I wonder what MK is going do about this
to
> harden the software?
>
> Tim
>
> -Original Message-
> > From: Steve 
> > To: af 
> > Date: 03/07/17 09:53 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wikileaks #Vault7 CIA Backdoor leaks
> >
> > https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/files/UsersGuide.pdf
> >
> > ^^User guide how to hack the Mikrotik
> >
> > Hopefully they are reading this and will get patching ASAP.
> >
> > Well I'm not shocked at all the rest.  We know they have Cisco,
> > Solaris, Juniper
> >
> > I'm not shocked at all the rest just that they heavily focused so much
> > on Mikrotik. But your point about being Eastern European does make
sense.
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Josh Reynolds" 
> > To: "af" 
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 9:48:47 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wikileaks #Vault7 CIA Backdoor leaks
> >
> > I don't understand. MikroTik is used frequently in the EU and
> > developing world, which makes it a great target.
> >
> > Why are you so shocked?
> >
> > On Mar 7, 2017 8:45 AM, "Steve"  wrote:
> >
> > > Wow.. They actually have something for the Mikrotik too. All the
> > > rest of it does not shock me at all. We know you can hack cars,
> > > Iphones and Android devices ...  But the Mikrotik really?
> > >
> > > https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/
> > >

Re: [AFMUG] Zirkel Mounts for radios

[Rob Genovesi]

Haven't seen that mount before.  If you have trouble finding them the
Mimosa "FlexiMount" might be a good alternative (~$7 MSRP)
: http://mimosa.co/product#accessories-section

-Rob



On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 8:30 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> I've always bought these off Ebay
> [image: 10 Pack of Antenna Mounts for Motorola / Cambium Canopy and
> Ubiquiti Antennas]
>
> '10 Pack of Antenna Mounts for Motorola / Cambium Canopy and Ubiquiti
> Antennas'  I've always referred to them as 'Zirkel' Mounts.  The last
> auction expired in Feburary, and there don't' seem to be any others right
> now.  Does anyone know where to get these from?  My Stock is out.
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-Pack-of-Antenna-Mounts-for-
> Motorola-Cambium-Canopy-and-Ubiquiti-Antennas-/141266325396?hash=
> item20e4210f94:m:mbtRpGADYgZayq8reDNnwNw
>
>
>

[AFMUG] Zirkel Mounts for radios

[Nate Burke]

I've always bought these off Ebay
10 Pack of Antenna Mounts for Motorola / Cambium Canopy and Ubiquiti 
Antennas


'10 Pack of Antenna Mounts for Motorola / Cambium Canopy and Ubiquiti 
Antennas'  I've always referred to them as 'Zirkel' Mounts.  The last 
auction expired in Feburary, and there don't' seem to be any others 
right now.  Does anyone know where to get these from?  My Stock is out.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-Pack-of-Antenna-Mounts-for-Motorola-Cambium-Canopy-and-Ubiquiti-Antennas-/141266325396?hash=item20e4210f94:m:mbtRpGADYgZayq8reDNnwNw

Re: [AFMUG] Wikileaks #Vault7 CIA Backdoor leaks

[Robert]

Like if AFMUG becomes a dissident forum...  At least in perception of 
someone with the keys to the jail...


On 3/7/17 7:30 AM, Stefan Englhardt wrote:

I knew about windows since like 98 because I knew a Microsoft employee who
told me about what they could do.  Skype didn't surprise me either.  Quite
frankly I don't care because I don't have anything to hide.


This "I don't have anything to hide" is as long as your country behaves fair to 
you.
For 95% of the world this is not the case. And even in US you might run into 
problems communicating with the wrong people or sharing a bus with them. 
Remember there are/were some people in Guantanamo which never seen a judge. 
Some are free after years without a hearing. I guess they have another view.

Look at this case:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murat_Kurnaz
He met some filter criteria and had no chance.

I have nothing to hide but I have no good feeling seeing what possibilities are 
in the hands of people I dont know and I am not sure about their motivation. 
May be arresting someone helps their career. So they lower the filter and grab 
someone who is just at the wrong time and place as Kurnaz.





I'm torn about this because this pisses me off.. but then again they need to be
able to spy on other countries to protect us.  So this is a bittersweet day.




- Original Message -
From: "Tim Reichhart" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 9:56:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wikileaks #Vault7 CIA Backdoor leaks

Now I can see this being problem for Miktroik or for that matter Edgerouters or
any type of Linux based routers. I wonder what MK is going do about this to
harden the software?

Tim

-Original Message-

From: Steve 
To: af 
Date: 03/07/17 09:53 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wikileaks #Vault7 CIA Backdoor leaks

https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/files/UsersGuide.pdf

^^User guide how to hack the Mikrotik

Hopefully they are reading this and will get patching ASAP.

Well I'm not shocked at all the rest.  We know they have Cisco,
Solaris, Juniper

I'm not shocked at all the rest just that they heavily focused so much
on Mikrotik. But your point about being Eastern European does make sense.



- Original Message -
From: "Josh Reynolds" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 9:48:47 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wikileaks #Vault7 CIA Backdoor leaks

I don't understand. MikroTik is used frequently in the EU and
developing world, which makes it a great target.

Why are you so shocked?

On Mar 7, 2017 8:45 AM, "Steve"  wrote:


Wow.. They actually have something for the Mikrotik too. All the
rest of it does not shock me at all. We know you can hack cars,
Iphones and Android devices ...  But the Mikrotik really?

https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/

Re: [AFMUG] Wikileaks #Vault7 CIA Backdoor leaks

[Steve]

I get you.  In principle it is WRONG.  Obviously.  I also don't agree with the 
terrorist detainees without trials.  Just the fact they can arbitrarily take 
anyone.  Hopefully Trump will consider revising the Patriot act when it comes 
back up.  

Like I said at the end  - its bittersweet.  I am not in fear of getting in 
trouble because I don't do anything wrong.  But then again I don't want 
wiretaps in my office and or home either.  

Ask a woman if its ok to look through their purse when they are not looking.  
See if that is acceptable behavior.  

On a side note looks like the Mikrotik exploits are mainly based on the webfig 
side so far. 



- Original Message -
From: "Stefan Englhardt" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 10:30:51 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wikileaks #Vault7 CIA Backdoor leaks

> I knew about windows since like 98 because I knew a Microsoft employee who
> told me about what they could do.  Skype didn't surprise me either.  Quite
> frankly I don't care because I don't have anything to hide.

This "I don't have anything to hide" is as long as your country behaves fair to 
you.
For 95% of the world this is not the case. And even in US you might run into 
problems communicating with the wrong people or sharing a bus with them. 
Remember there are/were some people in Guantanamo which never seen a judge. 
Some are free after years without a hearing. I guess they have another view.

Look at this case:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murat_Kurnaz
He met some filter criteria and had no chance.

I have nothing to hide but I have no good feeling seeing what possibilities are 
in the hands of people I dont know and I am not sure about their motivation. 
May be arresting someone helps their career. So they lower the filter and grab 
someone who is just at the wrong time and place as Kurnaz.

>
>
>
> I'm torn about this because this pisses me off.. but then again they need to 
> be
> able to spy on other countries to protect us.  So this is a bittersweet day.
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tim Reichhart" 
> To: "af" 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 9:56:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wikileaks #Vault7 CIA Backdoor leaks
>
> Now I can see this being problem for Miktroik or for that matter Edgerouters 
> or
> any type of Linux based routers. I wonder what MK is going do about this to
> harden the software?
>
> Tim
>
> -Original Message-
> > From: Steve 
> > To: af 
> > Date: 03/07/17 09:53 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wikileaks #Vault7 CIA Backdoor leaks
> >
> > https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/files/UsersGuide.pdf
> >
> > ^^User guide how to hack the Mikrotik
> >
> > Hopefully they are reading this and will get patching ASAP.
> >
> > Well I'm not shocked at all the rest.  We know they have Cisco,
> > Solaris, Juniper
> >
> > I'm not shocked at all the rest just that they heavily focused so much
> > on Mikrotik. But your point about being Eastern European does make sense.
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Josh Reynolds" 
> > To: "af" 
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 9:48:47 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wikileaks #Vault7 CIA Backdoor leaks
> >
> > I don't understand. MikroTik is used frequently in the EU and
> > developing world, which makes it a great target.
> >
> > Why are you so shocked?
> >
> > On Mar 7, 2017 8:45 AM, "Steve"  wrote:
> >
> > > Wow.. They actually have something for the Mikrotik too. All the
> > > rest of it does not shock me at all. We know you can hack cars,
> > > Iphones and Android devices ...  But the Mikrotik really?
> > >
> > > https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/
> > >

Re: [AFMUG] Wikileaks #Vault7 CIA Backdoor leaks

[Stefan Englhardt]

> I knew about windows since like 98 because I knew a Microsoft employee who
> told me about what they could do.  Skype didn't surprise me either.  Quite
> frankly I don't care because I don't have anything to hide.

This "I don't have anything to hide" is as long as your country behaves fair to 
you.
For 95% of the world this is not the case. And even in US you might run into 
problems communicating with the wrong people or sharing a bus with them. 
Remember there are/were some people in Guantanamo which never seen a judge. 
Some are free after years without a hearing. I guess they have another view.

Look at this case:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murat_Kurnaz
He met some filter criteria and had no chance.

I have nothing to hide but I have no good feeling seeing what possibilities are 
in the hands of people I dont know and I am not sure about their motivation. 
May be arresting someone helps their career. So they lower the filter and grab 
someone who is just at the wrong time and place as Kurnaz.

>
>
>
> I'm torn about this because this pisses me off.. but then again they need to 
> be
> able to spy on other countries to protect us.  So this is a bittersweet day.
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tim Reichhart" 
> To: "af" 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 9:56:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wikileaks #Vault7 CIA Backdoor leaks
>
> Now I can see this being problem for Miktroik or for that matter Edgerouters 
> or
> any type of Linux based routers. I wonder what MK is going do about this to
> harden the software?
>
> Tim
>
> -Original Message-
> > From: Steve 
> > To: af 
> > Date: 03/07/17 09:53 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wikileaks #Vault7 CIA Backdoor leaks
> >
> > https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/files/UsersGuide.pdf
> >
> > ^^User guide how to hack the Mikrotik
> >
> > Hopefully they are reading this and will get patching ASAP.
> >
> > Well I'm not shocked at all the rest.  We know they have Cisco,
> > Solaris, Juniper
> >
> > I'm not shocked at all the rest just that they heavily focused so much
> > on Mikrotik. But your point about being Eastern European does make sense.
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Josh Reynolds" 
> > To: "af" 
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 9:48:47 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wikileaks #Vault7 CIA Backdoor leaks
> >
> > I don't understand. MikroTik is used frequently in the EU and
> > developing world, which makes it a great target.
> >
> > Why are you so shocked?
> >
> > On Mar 7, 2017 8:45 AM, "Steve"  wrote:
> >
> > > Wow.. They actually have something for the Mikrotik too. All the
> > > rest of it does not shock me at all. We know you can hack cars,
> > > Iphones and Android devices ...  But the Mikrotik really?
> > >
> > > https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/
> > >

Re: [AFMUG] Wikileaks #Vault7 CIA Backdoor leaks

[Steve]

"CIA turned every Microsoft Windows PC in the world into spyware. Can activate 
backdoors on demand, including via Windows update.

Skype voice conversations are converted into text in real-time, scanned for 
contents of interest and stored in CIA spy cloud."

I knew about windows since like 98 because I knew a Microsoft employee who told 
me about what they could do.  Skype didn't surprise me either.  Quite frankly I 
don't care because I don't have anything to hide.  



I'm torn about this because this pisses me off.. but then again they need to be 
able to spy on other countries to protect us.  So this is a bittersweet day. 




- Original Message -
From: "Tim Reichhart" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 9:56:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wikileaks #Vault7 CIA Backdoor leaks

Now I can see this being problem for Miktroik or for that matter Edgerouters or 
any type of Linux based routers. I wonder what MK is going do about this to 
harden the software?

Tim

-Original Message- 
> From: Steve  
> To: af  
> Date: 03/07/17 09:53 AM 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wikileaks #Vault7 CIA Backdoor leaks 
> 
> https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/files/UsersGuide.pdf  
> 
> ^^User guide how to hack the Mikrotik
> 
> Hopefully they are reading this and will get patching ASAP. 
> 
> Well I'm not shocked at all the rest.  We know they have Cisco, Solaris, 
> Juniper 
> 
> I'm not shocked at all the rest just that they heavily focused so much on 
> Mikrotik. But your point about being Eastern European does make sense.   
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
> To: "af" 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 9:48:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wikileaks #Vault7 CIA Backdoor leaks
> 
> I don't understand. MikroTik is used frequently in the EU and developing
> world, which makes it a great target.
> 
> Why are you so shocked?
> 
> On Mar 7, 2017 8:45 AM, "Steve"  wrote:
> 
> > Wow.. They actually have something for the Mikrotik too. All the rest of
> > it does not shock me at all. We know you can hack cars, Iphones and Android
> > devices ...  But the Mikrotik really?
> >
> > https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/
> >

Re: [AFMUG] Wikileaks #Vault7 CIA Backdoor leaks

[Mike Hammett]

As of the writing of the manual, it looks like it only affects PowerPC, MIPS-LE 
and MIPS-BE in 3.x and 4.x, but the document is from 2014 and was changed a few 
times a year, so maybe they have compromised newer versions and platforms . 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Steve"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 8:45:47 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Wikileaks #Vault7 CIA Backdoor leaks 

Wow.. They actually have something for the Mikrotik too. All the rest of it 
does not shock me at all. We know you can hack cars, Iphones and Android 
devices ... But the Mikrotik really? 

https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/ 

Re: [AFMUG] Wikileaks #Vault7 CIA Backdoor leaks

[Tim Reichhart]

Now I can see this being problem for Miktroik or for that matter Edgerouters or 
any type of Linux based routers. I wonder what MK is going do about this to 
harden the software?

Tim

-Original Message- 
> From: Steve  
> To: af  
> Date: 03/07/17 09:53 AM 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wikileaks #Vault7 CIA Backdoor leaks 
> 
> https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/files/UsersGuide.pdf  
> 
> ^^User guide how to hack the Mikrotik
> 
> Hopefully they are reading this and will get patching ASAP. 
> 
> Well I'm not shocked at all the rest.  We know they have Cisco, Solaris, 
> Juniper 
> 
> I'm not shocked at all the rest just that they heavily focused so much on 
> Mikrotik. But your point about being Eastern European does make sense.   
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
> To: "af" 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 9:48:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wikileaks #Vault7 CIA Backdoor leaks
> 
> I don't understand. MikroTik is used frequently in the EU and developing
> world, which makes it a great target.
> 
> Why are you so shocked?
> 
> On Mar 7, 2017 8:45 AM, "Steve"  wrote:
> 
> > Wow.. They actually have something for the Mikrotik too. All the rest of
> > it does not shock me at all. We know you can hack cars, Iphones and Android
> > devices ...  But the Mikrotik really?
> >
> > https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/
> >

Re: [AFMUG] Wikileaks #Vault7 CIA Backdoor leaks

[Steve]

https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/files/UsersGuide.pdf  

^^User guide how to hack the Mikrotik

Hopefully they are reading this and will get patching ASAP. 

Well I'm not shocked at all the rest.  We know they have Cisco, Solaris, 
Juniper 

I'm not shocked at all the rest just that they heavily focused so much on 
Mikrotik. But your point about being Eastern European does make sense.   



- Original Message -
From: "Josh Reynolds" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 9:48:47 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wikileaks #Vault7 CIA Backdoor leaks

I don't understand. MikroTik is used frequently in the EU and developing
world, which makes it a great target.

Why are you so shocked?

On Mar 7, 2017 8:45 AM, "Steve"  wrote:

> Wow.. They actually have something for the Mikrotik too. All the rest of
> it does not shock me at all. We know you can hack cars, Iphones and Android
> devices ...  But the Mikrotik really?
>
> https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wikileaks #Vault7 CIA Backdoor leaks

[Josh Reynolds]

I don't understand. MikroTik is used frequently in the EU and developing
world, which makes it a great target.

Why are you so shocked?

On Mar 7, 2017 8:45 AM, "Steve"  wrote:

> Wow.. They actually have something for the Mikrotik too. All the rest of
> it does not shock me at all. We know you can hack cars, Iphones and Android
> devices ...  But the Mikrotik really?
>
> https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/
>

[AFMUG] Wikileaks #Vault7 CIA Backdoor leaks

[Steve]

Wow.. They actually have something for the Mikrotik too. All the rest of it 
does not shock me at all. We know you can hack cars, Iphones and Android 
devices ...  But the Mikrotik really?

https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/

Re: [AFMUG] OT Songs that get us through it

[Josh Luthman]

Tool is just awful.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 1:13 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
wrote:

>
> no tool?  I'm disappointed...
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Jay Weekley 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Monday, March 6, 2017 10:38 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Songs that get us through it
>
> That is one of my all time favorite songs.  An employee asked me a few
> hours ago what artist or group I would follow around if I had the
> opportunity and Ozzy Osbourne was my first answer followed closely by
> Judas Priest, Dio (if he was alive) and Iron Maiden.
>
> Sterling Jacobson wrote:
> > A little Monday fun.
> >
> > In 2003 I quit being a 9-5 software engineer and started a WISP.
> >
> > It was the downturn of the tech bubble in the early 2000's and I was
> sick of it.
> >
> > I had no idea what the hell I was doing.
> >
> > It was a crazy ride and way outside of my expertise and comfort zone.
> >
> > The lyrics to Ozzy's Believer were a part of the songs that got me
> through it all.
> >
> > I think I played this song every time I started up the mountain to fix
> another POS radio problem, lol!
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxYP_HImgu4
> >
> > Lyrics for those that like Ozzy (emphasis added) :)
> >
> >
> > Watching the time go and feeling belief grow
> > Rise above the obstacles
> > People beseech me but they'll never teach me
> > Things that I already know (I know)
> > --> Dreams that have shattered may not have mattered
> > Take another point of view
> > Doubts will arise though like chasing a rainbow
> > I can tell a thing or two (that's true)
> > --> You've got to believe in yourself
> > or no one Will believe in you
> > Imagination like a bird on the wing
> > Flying, free for you to use (okay baby)
> > I can't believe they stop and stare
> > And point their fingers doubting me
> > Their disbelief suppresses them
> > --> But they're not blind it's just that they won't see
> > I'm a believer, I ain't no deceiver
> > Mountains move before my eyes
> > --> Destiny planned out I don't need no handout
> > Speculation of the wise
> >
> >
> > -
> > No virus found in this message.
> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> > Version: 2016.0.7998 / Virus Database: 4756/14069 - Release Date:
> 03/06/17
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Songs that get us through it

[Jay Weekley]

Tool is great but they aren't icons from my childhood.

CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

no tool?  I'm disappointed...

- Original Message -
*From:* Jay Weekley 
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Monday, March 6, 2017 10:38 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Songs that get us through it

That is one of my all time favorite songs.  An employee asked me a
few
hours ago what artist or group I would follow around if I had the
opportunity and Ozzy Osbourne was my first answer followed closely by
Judas Priest, Dio (if he was alive) and Iron Maiden.

Sterling Jacobson wrote:
> A little Monday fun.
>
> In 2003 I quit being a 9-5 software engineer and started a WISP.
>
> It was the downturn of the tech bubble in the early 2000's and I
was sick of it.
>
> I had no idea what the hell I was doing.
>
> It was a crazy ride and way outside of my expertise and comfort
zone.
>
> The lyrics to Ozzy's Believer were a part of the songs that got
me through it all.
>
> I think I played this song every time I started up the mountain
to fix another POS radio problem, lol!
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxYP_HImgu4
>
> Lyrics for those that like Ozzy (emphasis added) :)
>
>
> Watching the time go and feeling belief grow
> Rise above the obstacles
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Re: [AFMUG] 30" to 36" face width guyed tower 20 ft sections

[Lewis Bergman]

He probably got the idea from a tower overlooking Brownwood. There is a 500
foot tower there that is that H design. Condemned now due to lack of
maintenance but served well for more than 50 years.

On a slightly different take I am sure most of you have seen those Sabre
SS  towers that have legs that look like Rohn 25 legs.  They are actually
solid rod legs. Vey high load.

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017, 9:05 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Back in late 90s...He was a friend of Coleman ISD IT guyLived off road
> to west of Coleman...Not 67... North of it...Tower was solid...I climbed it
> several times...
>
> On Mar 6, 2017 7:56 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
> Oh Jesus. What was his name?
>
> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017, 5:58 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> we erected two 45s face to face attached by Unistrut and clamps buried 6
> ft down (5x5x6 pad) and went up 75 ft.. with 2 3 ft dishes...one at top and
> one at 45 ft.   solidgot idea from a radio guy from Coleman, Texas.
>
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390 <(915)%20861-1390>
>
> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 4:46 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
> Yep, just sharing experiences. I don't think you'd have a problem with
> 50-60 feet of 65G with a 2' dish and maybe a couple sectors. 65G is fairly
> stout. Or what about a light-duty monopole for your application?
>
> On 3/6/2017 5:36 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>
> I didn't say 55G, I wrote 65G...  Would not even dream of trying to use
> 55G at the height and the wind loading I have in mind.
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 3:32 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
> I would highly recommend *against* using 55G free-standing at 50 feet. For
> an omni and a panel it's fine. Not a 2' dish, especially not 11-24GHz. Been
> there, done that. Customer installed it. Too much twisting in the wind.
>
> We have a customer with 2x 2' dishes with radomes on 80' of free-standing
> 65G and it has been fine.
>
>
> On 3/6/2017 3:56 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>
> I'm looking at the Rohn 65G (24" face width) for a 50-60 ft self
> supporting application. The site may eventually need more wind loading.
> There is no room for guy wires or anchors, just a single concrete block
> like foundation.
>
> Anyone have a suggestion for 36" face width tower pieces that can be used
> in a similar application to the 65G self supporting kits?
>
> -Eric
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