Re: [AFMUG] 25 kM unlicensed

[Darin Steffl]

First, I'd recommend the new AF5XHD which is a huge upgrade over the AF5x.

You can then use that radio with either the 30db or 34db dish you listed.
At 15 miles, I would recommend the 34db dish as that is quite the long
haul. If the customer is paying any decent amount of money, you'll recoup
your costs quickly.

With 34db dishes and clean 20mhz spectrum, you can easily move about 240
Mbps aggregate through the link with 10x modulation and you can decide duty
cycle like 50/50 for 120 Mbps each way or 75/25, etc.

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 12:43 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Which is better, Rocket 5AC + RocketDish LW
> or
> AF5X + AF-5G34-S45
>
> ?
>
> Or some other brand.  Hauling out PTP to a customer.  Like to keep the
> bandwidth up but they are not currently asking for more than 100 Mbps.
>



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[AFMUG] Verizon 5G Deployment Video

[Darin Steffl]

Interesting video of Verizon's 5G testing and deployment.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=169&v=jnyG2bliKCs


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Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a new Truck/field Laptop

[Darin Steffl]

Look at used Lenovo on ebay. Lots of those are lease laptops and you can
find plenty of them for cheap that are in decent condition still. That's
where we buy all our work laptops. About $300 for a good 14" laptop with
SSD drive.

On Mon, May 21, 2018, 8:38 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> The Netbook I've been using for a the last couple years bit the dust on
> an install last week.  Acer Aspire E11.  It was working fine one minute,
> then the Ethernet adapter was not detected by windows anymore.  Of
> course now-a-days nothing comes with a built in Ethernet adapter, I'd
> really hate having to remember to carry an Ethernet dongle everywhere.
> Looking for a small form factor ~11" so I can throw it in a canvas bag
> for a hike out to a tower site.  SSD and several-hour battery life are
> very nice as well.
>
> It doesn't need any mighty CPU or Video, the only thing that it does is
> program Radios/Mikrotiks, and RDP into another machine.
>
> The only new machines I've found so far that fits this bill are the
> Lenovo Thinkpad line.  It looks like a current gen 11" Thinkpad is
> ~$700.  More than the $170 I paid for the Acer 5 years ago.  I also
> don't like that all the connections are on the sides of machines now,
> instead of the back.  When it's sitting on the truck console with things
> connected, that makes it a lot wider.  The Thinkpads also specify that
> they have an 'Anti-glare' Screen.  Would that make it easier or harder
> to see outside?
>
> Is there a brand or Type that I missed?  $700 for a field laptop is a
> little more than I'd like to spend for something that has to survive
> field work.  Although the $170 unit has worked just fine in these
> conditions for several years.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Revisiting Backup LTE service - devices

[Darin Steffl]

Customers are spoiled nowadays with many of our users doing 25-40 GB of
usage per DAY. So if they were paying $10/GB, their cellular bill after one
day would be $250 to $400 per day based on their usage on our unlimited
plans with fixed wireless today.

Some want to complain if they are down a couple hours and ask for a free
month credit when I'd really like to reply to them that they'll receive a 4
hour credit on their $68 bill which comes out to $0.38 for their 4 hours of
downtime. Most people don't actually NEED a backup service and if they do,
they should learn how to use their mobile hotspot on Verizon or AT&T which
includes 15GB of usage every month which is plenty for work, checking
email, etc. If won't fulfill their WANTS like video streaming, gaming,
downloads, etc. and that's what they seem to care about the most.

On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 9:19 PM, Jon Lee  wrote:

> You can take a look at Project Fi (Google) $10 per Gig and they will give
> you 10 SIM cards for free. They use several different carriers for service.
>
> Just my ¢2 and that's about what it's worth.
>
> -Jon
>
> On Mon, May 14, 2018, 2:02 PM Paul McCall  wrote:
>
>> We want to start offering our rural customers an LTE option as an on
>> demand backup service.
>>
>>
>>
>> I know Ting is commonly used, although it looks like $ 10 / GB is their
>> cost.  Seems a little high.
>>
>>
>>
>> Verizon has some interesting plans once you talk to the right people, and
>> their JetPack device is FREE through the end of the month.
>>
>>
>>
>> What are you guys using?  Can you share details please?
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, President
>>
>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=658+Old+Dixie+Highway+%0D%0A+Vero+Beach,+FL+32962+%0D%0A+772&entry=gmail&source=g>
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=658+Old+Dixie+Highway+%0D%0A+Vero+Beach,+FL+32962+%0D%0A+772&entry=gmail&source=g>
>>
>> 772
>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=658+Old+Dixie+Highway+%0D%0A+Vero+Beach,+FL+32962+%0D%0A+772&entry=gmail&source=g>-564-6800
>>
>>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>
>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Moviepass

[Darin Steffl]

Still only costs $2.50 per movie with the cap. And I believe it's 4 movies
per month, not 1 per week.

On Tue, May 1, 2018, 10:20 PM Cassidy B. Larson  wrote:

> Also can’t see movies more than once now. Blows.
>
> On May 1, 2018, at 18:48, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Notice that new subscribers only get one movie per week now.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] drones

[Darin Steffl]

Who booed you off the stage? Many wisp's use drones, myself included and
they're a great tool. I don't know anyone who thinks they're a terrible
idea for things exactly like this.

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 7:22 AM Matt Hoppes 
wrote:

> I said this a year ago and got boooed off stage. Agreed. They are
> immensely useful for planning.
>
> > On Apr 30, 2018, at 01:14, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
> >
> > my contractor shot some drone pics on a site. other than the uber sloppy
> cable this doesnt look as terrible as it is. will rebuild it, but the drone
> footage and pics is crazy useful, the external perspective really helps
> getting an overall. i highly recommend getting drone shots
> > 
>

Re: [AFMUG] After Hours Tech Support

[Darin Steffl]

I get why they do a retail store. People still like going to stores it
seems, particularly for cell phones. Maybe not so much for internet but our
customers like paying their bill in person. Far fewer come in for actual
new service but it does happen.



On Fri, Apr 27, 2018, 8:50 PM Matt Hoppes 
wrote:

> And that’s why we are lean and they aren’t. Xfinity just put a huge show
> room in near us.
>
> Really?  How about kill the show room, stop with the ads all over the
> place and just run a reasonably priced network.
>
> On Apr 27, 2018, at 18:28, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> *yawn* Ask Comcast, AT&T, or Verizon what their cost of acquisition is.
> It's probably at least that per customer.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, April 27, 2018 5:27:04 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] After Hours Tech Support
>
> Multiply that over 40 installs a month and that’s $280 at that rate.
>
> We run a very very lean very well oiled ship.
>
> On Apr 27, 2018, at 18:25, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> Leave it to Matt to complain about a $7 cost of acquisition.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, April 27, 2018 5:23:56 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] After Hours Tech Support
>
> Except it’s a $0 cost of acquisition when done in house.
>
> The phone person was already there and can be doing other things while
> talking to the customer.
>
> And I’ve yet to have out of house have the same quality as in house.
>
> On Apr 27, 2018, at 17:44, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> I get single digits and all of my calls 24/7 go to SP. Darin gets one a
> month. Someone needs to stop putting Matt's number on bathroom stalls or
> Matt needs to be happy people are calling to order service. A $7 (his
> number) cost of acquisition is great.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Seth Mattinen" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, April 27, 2018 4:42:51 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] After Hours Tech Support
>
> On 4/27/18 14:41, Mike Hammett wrote:
> > Then I wouldn't worry about it.
>
> I think he's saying adding all the non-legit calls would exceed the
> monthly minimum and he doesn't want to pay for those?
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] After Hours Tech Support

[Darin Steffl]

Matt,

Every time you send an email on this, I wonder if your customers are
actually as bad as you say because our customers simply aren't this bad. We
have two options, press 1 for tech support, press 2 for sales, billing, or
any other questions.

During business hours, both options ring in house and go to voicemail if we
don't answer. Only after our office is closed do we send tech support calls
to serverplus. Our option 2 which is everything besides tech support
continues to voicemail after hours.

This system seems to work really well for us and we almost never (once a
month tops) get a sales call that goes to serverplus because they selected
the wrong option.

Politely, please make up your mind or stop asking the same question every
couple weeks. Serverplus is fine. Either train your customers to be better
at selecting options, change your IVR to something easier like two options
that we use, or leave the ISP business if it bothers you this much.

Sorry to be harsh but you need to make up your mind.

On Fri, Apr 27, 2018, 6:57 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> I think you've spent more time trying to avoid it than problems you'd have
> once doing it.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com, "Steve Jones" 
> *Sent: *Friday, April 27, 2018 3:41:14 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] After Hours Tech Support
>
> No not 72... but we get those, the vendor looking for someone, someone
> called earlier wanting to get service.
>
> You can only hold hands so much.
>
> On 4/27/18 4:27 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
> > youre getting 72 of those calls a day? you might want to start training
> > your customers
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 3:23 PM, Matt Hoppes
> >  > > wrote:
> >
> > Here's another $7 that would have gone down the drain... just got
> > this call:
> >
> > "Is my Internet on?   I can't make phone calls with my phone and it
> > wasn't working on the WiFi at work today".
> >
> > Um, that has absolutely nothing to do with your Internet through
> > us, you'll need to contact StraightTalk.  Your modem and router are
> > up and on-line.
> >
> > On 4/27/18 4:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> >
> > I pay ServerPlus to do it for me. Easy Peasy.
> >
> >
> >
> > -
> > Mike Hammett
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> >  > ><
> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
> > ><
> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
> > <
> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>><
> https://twitter.com/ICSIL
> > >
> > Midwest Internet Exchange 
> >  > ><
> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange
> > ><
> https://twitter.com/mdwestix
> > >
> > The Brothers WISP  > >
> >  > >
> >
> >
> >  > >
> >
> 
> > *From: *"Matt"  > >
> > *To: *af@afmug.com 
> > *Sent: *Wednesday, April 25, 2018 6:39:31 PM
> > *Subject: *[AFMUG] After Hours Tech Support
> >
> > How or what do you pay an employee to either answer phone calls
> or
> > return voicemails after hours or on weekends?
> >
> >
>
>

[AFMUG] Timer for 12v DC

[Darin Steffl]

Hello.

We have a timer for DC power in our vans that we run the inverters off. The
time can only be programmed for on/off times.

I'm looking for something more like a 1 or 2 hours duration timer where you
hit a button or turn a knob and it will only stay on for that duration,
then turn off. Like a bathroom fan/light thing for for 12v DC

Any recommendations?

Re: [AFMUG] After Hours Tech Support

[Darin Steffl]

We don't.

We pay serverplus $250 per month minimum for "X" amount of calls for 24/7
tech support when our office is closed. It works fine most of the time and
the customer gets to talk to someone. We don't return calls until normal
business hours again. Sometimes I'll text someone if I think it'll be a
quick fix. Otherwise, they're told to expect a callback on the next
business day.

On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 1:39 AM, Matt  wrote:

> How or what do you pay an employee to either answer phone calls or
> return voicemails after hours or on weekends?
>



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Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

[Darin Steffl]

I'm afraid of having too many places for tickets so we're trying to decide
on one place. I don't want email tickets in zendesk, phone call tickets in
Azotel, texts in zipwhip, and Facebook messages on Facebook.

I'd really love an easy way (doesn't need to be free) to combine all our
support methods into one spot so we don't lose or forget things.

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018, 12:14 PM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> You can open a ticket in Zendesk.
>
> Do you mean open a ticket the customer can refer to or for you to track?
> I guess you could do either.
>
> We sometimes open tickets in zendesk to email the customer. Really your
> billing/CRM system should be handling phone support tickets and linking
> them to the account.
>
> On Apr 19, 2018, at 05:18, Darin Steffl  wrote:
>
> I am having trouble finding a ticket system that is also good for people
> who call in. Most seem like you need a customer to email in to create a
> ticket. It seems harder to manually enter a ticket for those who call us.
>
> Am I overlooking something obvious on zendesk for this? I don't need it
> integrated into my phone system, just an easy way to create a ticket when
> someone calls in.
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018, 11:54 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> What is everyone using for support tickets nowadays?  I've about had it
>> with our system.
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian>
>> <http://facebook.com/packetflux>  <http://twitter.com/@packetflux>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Trouble/Support Ticketing

[Darin Steffl]

I am having trouble finding a ticket system that is also good for people
who call in. Most seem like you need a customer to email in to create a
ticket. It seems harder to manually enter a ticket for those who call us.

Am I overlooking something obvious on zendesk for this? I don't need it
integrated into my phone system, just an easy way to create a ticket when
someone calls in.

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018, 11:54 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> What is everyone using for support tickets nowadays?  I've about had it
> with our system.
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Traco BCMU360 24 or 48v

[Darin Steffl]

The one thing that worries me about using the DR-UPS40 is that it doesn't
have temperature controlled charging like BCMU does. So we would have to
set one charging voltage that is static which will be under voltage in the
winter and over voltage cooking the batteries in the summer when the box is
hot. We don't heat or cool our boxes so I was looking for something with a
little more control of the float voltage with the temperature differences
we have. I also would like to only use one battery instead of two.



On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 4:06 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> I'm the Netonix would be doing any voltage up/down conversion you'd need
> to do in that setup anyway, so I don't really see much advantage to 24v vs
> 48v one way or the other.
>
> In a setup like that, I'd personally just use the Meanwell SDR-240-24 with
> a Meanwell DR-UPS40, and do 24v batteries, instead of using the BCMU-360.
> You need two batteries instead of one then, but it's cheaper and doesn't
> have the issues Paul mentioned.
>
> I don't have any experience with the Tycon webmonitor, but I definitely
> can recommend using a SiteMonitor.
>
> On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 3:52 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
>> Be aware that the BCMU-360 does the following:
>>
>>
>>
>> Only sustains at 240w
>>
>> Only outputs about 45v when running on batteries.  We have started using
>> a step up kit to bring it back to 48v+
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af  *On Behalf Of *Darin Steffl
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 3, 2018 4:50 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com; memb...@wispa.org
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Traco BCMU360 24 or 48v
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>>
>>
>> We're looking at fine tuning our DC power solution for sites using more
>> than 75w of power.
>>
>>
>>
>> We're setting in with using the Traco BCMU-360 with a Meanwell SDR-240-24
>> or 48 volts power supply.
>>
>>
>>
>> If we're using the Traco UPS unit, is there any advantage to using 24v vs
>> 48v power supply? It will only be powering a Netonix DC switch and the BCMU
>> only needs a 12v battery.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, we're looking at SiteMonitor to monitor the battery voltage and
>> grid power as well. Do you recommend this or the Tycon webmonitor (TPDIN)?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Darin Steffl
>>
>> Minnesota WiFi
>>
>> www.mnwifi.com
>>
>> 507-634-WiFi
>>
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>>
>
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[AFMUG] Traco BCMU360 24 or 48v

[Darin Steffl]

Hey guys,

We're looking at fine tuning our DC power solution for sites using more
than 75w of power.

We're setting in with using the Traco BCMU-360 with a Meanwell SDR-240-24
or 48 volts power supply.

If we're using the Traco UPS unit, is there any advantage to using 24v vs
48v power supply? It will only be powering a Netonix DC switch and the BCMU
only needs a 12v battery.

Also, we're looking at SiteMonitor to monitor the battery voltage and grid
power as well. Do you recommend this or the Tycon webmonitor (TPDIN)?

Thanks

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Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

[Darin Steffl]

Cloudflare has posted that their goal is to be within 10ms of every ISP in
the world. So they're adding their to gear to regional datacenter's and
peering exchanges, not just major ones.

On Tue, Apr 3, 2018, 10:16 AM Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 4/3/18 8:09 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:
> > I've seen cloudflare racks and they have a ton of gear and reliability
> > built in. They also host two of the root dns servers. Their cache rate
> > will be much higher than our own servers as well.
>
>
> Oh well I host 6 root servers for redundancy: D, E, F, J, K, and L
>

Re: [AFMUG] new DNS

[Darin Steffl]

The new cloudflare dns is 3ms away from our core, opendns and Google are
12ms away.

And I believe that cloudflare can run way more reliable dns than we can.
They also use anycast so if their Minneapolis pop had trouble, we'll route
to the next closest pop like Chicago.

I would like to host our own DNS and was planning on adding two servers for
this in the spring but with cloudflare introducing this, we may just point
customers to them now.

I've seen cloudflare racks and they have a ton of gear and reliability
built in. They also host two of the root dns servers. Their cache rate will
be much higher than our own servers as well.

On Tue, Apr 3, 2018, 9:49 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> I have heard that mikrotik has an acceptable dns caching server built
> in  maybe start there?  I don't know if does full recursive lookups
> using the root tree.
>
> For some reason everyone over estimates what is really needed for robust
> caching dns.  You can safely use even a couple of raspberry pis for almost
> all wisp sized networks.
>
> The key architecture you need to ensure its that the dns server has
> substantially similar connectivity to the net as the clients that use that
> dns server.   The reason for this is that many web services use information
> gleamed from the origin of the dns queries to determine the closest server.
>   As a result,  you want the dns server to have the same paths to the net
> as the clients as much as possible.
>
> On Tue, Apr 3, 2018, 8:19 AM David Coudron 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>>
>>
>> This has been a really timely discussion for us as we are wrestling with
>> the same kinds of questions as Adam mentions.   With enough time
>> (resources) and money, we would put a very robust DNS at each Direct
>> Internet Access drain point.   However, we have been aggressively moving to
>> reduce our footprint at DIAs so that we can have more of them and they
>> require less intervention and maintenance.   Putting any kind of server
>> there (Linux or otherwise) seems to complicate a pretty clean set up that
>> is currently MikroTik and Powercode BMUs.   In fact, that is one of the
>> biggest concerns we have if we were to move to Sonar is the need to start
>> putting Linux devices in DIAs and towers (a topic for another day).   We do
>> not provide authoritative DNS for customers and don’t need it for
>> ourselves, so this is only a performance/cleanliness discussion.   We see
>> three main options:
>>
>>1. Find an appliance based device/server that is easy as heck to
>>maintain and doesn’t require site visits.  Something like the Mikrotik
>>CCRs.  Put them at every DIA
>>2. Run a regionally centralized DNS server in a data center and have
>>the closest DIAs point to their respective data center DNS server.This
>>would reduce the number of servers and keep them in a data center
>>environment
>>3. Rely on 3rd Party (google or otherwise).   We don’t believe our
>>servers will be more reliable than the combination of multiple 3rd
>>party options, so this is a performance decision.
>>
>>
>>
>> I think the best decision would be a very simple appliance to sit in our
>> DIA’s, but we haven’t looked into it enough to see what exists.   By
>> simple, we would be looking for something that we could do regular firmware
>> updates only, and monitor with SNMP just like all our other network devices.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> David Coudron
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 3, 2018 9:04 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] new DNS
>>
>>
>>
>> It's clearly not hard.  It's obviously not expensive. I'm already doing
>> it and have been for years.  But it's more than $0.
>>
>>
>>
>> I've seen the geolocation issue in the past.  More recently I tried to
>> demonstrate it to someone and it turned out that Google DNS and our own DNS
>> gave us Netflix content from the same source.
>>
>>
>>
>> If I used someone else's DNS and that 3rd party went away, then there are
>> apparently 10 other "3rd parties" to choose from.  I recognize the point
>> that it's a 3rd party and we don't want to rely on 3rd parties: But can we
>> honestly say that our DNS servers are more reliable than Google or
>> Cloudflare?
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm not shutting down the DNS servers today, I'm just trying to look
>> inward and analyze what we're doing and why.  Are we doing it because it
>> actually makes sense or are we doing it because we've always done it and we
>> can't imagine another way?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>>
>> From: "Justin Wilson" 
>>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>>
>> Sent: 4/3/2018 8:48:33 AM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] new DNS
>>
>>
>>
>> You have your own DNS for one huge reason. GeoLocation for when it comes
>> to Content Networks such as Netflix.  One of the mechanisms they employ is
>> using DNS Geolocation to serve you the closest content.  Not only 

Re: [AFMUG] OT streaming

[Darin Steffl]

You can get hbo direct for $10 monthly.

On Sun, Apr 1, 2018, 7:30 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Can get hbo via Amazon
>
> On Sun, Apr 1, 2018, 7:27 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> I just added Philo.  It has discovery.  $16/month.
>> And it has DVR.  Directvnow still has not launched DVR.
>>
>> I think it may be the best value.
>>
>> This should allow me to disconnect directvnow and slingtv.
>> However I am not disconnecting slingtv until I have a low cost
>> alternative to adding HBO.
>>
>> Philo has HBO as an investor and was supposed to be adding it shortly
>> after launch, but so far not happening.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum fiber demarc move

[Darin Steffl]

If you have a tornado or fire, don't you have bigger things to worry about?

On Sun, Apr 1, 2018, 3:37 PM Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> Matt, but then if i get hit by a tornado or have a fire contained in part
> of the building the original demarc location is going to melt down while
> the rest of the equipment is in the more secure room so the whole circuit
> is down which makes me feel un-easy.
>
> On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 4:32 PM, Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> If you can just plug into their D Mark point and move fiber I don’t even
>> see why I would tell them, I would try to leave their fiber patch box in
>> place and just run a new longer patch cable to your new location
>>
>> On Apr 1, 2018, at 16:28, Kurt Fankhauser 
>> wrote:
>>
>> should i even tell spectrum what im doing or just do it?
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Chris Fabien  wrote:
>>
>>> In all seriousness I would just move it yourself, if you don't have the
>>> ability just find a splicer to do it on a Saturday. If you send some pics
>>> we can give further advice but this is straightforward for any fiber tech
>>> to do.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 1, 2018, 8:26 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Need to move it because building a data center in an existing building
 and the finished room will be tornado proof which the original demarc
 location is not.

 On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 1:47 PM, Matt Hoppes <
 mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Or just let it be and run new fiber from the DMarc to the NID or your
> router.
>
> Why do you need to move the dmarc?
>
> On Mar 31, 2018, at 13:13, TJ Trout  wrote:
>
> move it yourself. If it was cat5 you wouldn't have a problem right?
> Fiber is easier to work on then cat5 in my opinion, it seems intimidating
> but it's not. Get some AFL fast connectors and a coupler and move that 
> B
>
> On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 6:00 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Just go tear it off the building.  Put up some siding or something.
>> Call in a trouble.  When they come out blame some other contractor.
>>
>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 31, 2018 6:32 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum fiber demarc move
>>
>> You should add an "lol" or a smiley face or something so that readers
>> know you're joking.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Chris Fabien" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 3/30/2018 12:55:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum fiber demarc move
>>
>>
>> No, you say it's always been installed here, your records must be
>> wrong, now get to fixing it, SLA clock is ticking
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 30, 2018, 10:44 AM Kurt Fankhauser <
>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I probably could that would be interesting if i called tech support
>>> and said i tried moving the fiber now it dont work.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 5:17 PM, Chris Fabien 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Can you just move it yourself? We have done that before.

 On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, 3:41 AM Kurt Fankhauser <
 lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Has anyone had to move their demarc locaiton in a building for the
> spectrum/time warner fiber service and what was the process like? Did 
> they
> charge you for the move of the demarc spot? How much of a PITA was it 
> to
> move it?
>

>>>
>>
>

>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] testing

[Darin Steffl]

I've seen both your emails from yesterday and responded to one of them.

On Mar 15, 2018 8:32 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> I posted two items and they haven't made to list in two days.  Must be
> Russians or Aliens.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2018, 4:21 AM Justin Marshall  wrote:
>
>> testing
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Require Recent Web Browser?

[Darin Steffl]

Don't worry about the 5-10% of people running old browsers. It's easy to
tell customers to use a modern browser to gain full functionality. It's
easy and free to upgrade browsers.

On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 6:49 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> A bit of a survey here
>
> A couple of features I'm looking at for current/future products would be
> much easier to implement using a certain feature found only in relatively
> new web browsers, aka, Chrome/Firefox/Edge updated within the last year.
>
> One specific browser feature I'm looking at is webassembly.  Various tools
> out there indicate that around 87% of the installed/active browsers on the
> internet are recent enough for native support.   Most of the browsers
> gained support for this feature early to mid last year.   With autoupdates
> being the rule instead of the exception, anyone on a recent auto-updating
> web browser should support this.  I'm mostly concerned about 'the rest'.
>
> Support for the older browsers is possible, but it adds a level of
> complexity (specifically a level of testing) which I would prefer not to do
> if I could get away without it.
>
> To be clear:  Almost all of the functionality of the upcoming products
> won't require these functions.  A specific example of something that might
> require this is setting up the scripting functionality as I'm looking at
> various technologies which would work best if I could run a chunk of
> webassembly code in the browser as part of the code editor.  However, other
> than editing a script, the rest of the functionality would work fine.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> --
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> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
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>
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Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: 8 hours no lunch

[Darin Steffl]

Beautiful work of art!

On Mar 14, 2018 8:38 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> test
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390 <(915)%20861-1390>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Jaime Solorza 
> Date: Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 5:23 PM
> Subject: 8 hours no lunch
> To: Animal Farm 
>
>
> Tested and certifiedyay us
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...

[Darin Steffl]

I have a 2017 Camaro ZL1 with the 10-speed auto and this thing SCREAMS!!

Very fast, faster than every other car at Speedvegas when I was there.

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 4:05 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

> The ACR and GT350r are about as close to track cars as you can buy under
> $140K.  I think he meant the Ford GT though, not the 350r.  Even the new
> Camaro ZL1 1LE is a pretty hot track car.  Me, I’m going to have to live
> with my 240sx Lemons car.  This way when it gets wrecked on the track, it’s
> only $5K to replace it.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 8, 2018 2:46 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...
>
>
>
> Dodge Viper ACR smokes the GT350r (65k often with 40k markup, not sure
> where you see 500k) and Z06 road cars.  None of them are track cars.
>
>
>
> 918 is faster than the ACR on the track by a good 5 seconds.
>
>
>
> HPDE insurance isn't crazy expensive - a single day is $300 and if you
> bundle a handful of events it drops pretty steeply.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+%0D%0ASuite+1337+%0D%0ATroy,+OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g>
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 12:59 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>
> Normal insurance won't cover any vehicle on a race track. You have to buy
> specialized insurance, which I'm sure would be crazy expensive.
>
> It would be more economical to buy the new Ford GT350R ($500k) or the new
> Corvette Z06 ($120k)... mainly because they are the two fastest track cars
> available right now... even beating the Porsche 918 ($1 million).
>
> Travis
>
> On 3/8/2018 10:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Maybe I could buy one and rent it out for $1K/day.  We do have a very nice
> race track nearby.
>
>
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2018 10:00 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...
>
>
>
> Travis, want to do a fractional ownership thing with me on one of these???
>
>
>
> *From:* Travis Johnson
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 08, 2018 9:52 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: This is pretty slick - that price tag though...
>
>
>
> The only problem is the Roadster won't be shipping until 2020 or later...
> LOL
>
> Travis
>
> On 3/8/2018 9:24 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
> No doubt about that. But, considering the specs on this car, it is cheap
> compared to other "super cars" with relatively similar (not much out there
> that can boast these specs) performance specifications. I've never been a
> big Tesla car fan as I don't think the company would have been successful
> on its own, but that is the car industry these days.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 10:01 AM, Robert  wrote:
>
> The Tesla is Elon's direct reach into the pockets of the wealthy to fund
> his businesses
>
> On 3/8/18 7:38 AM, Jon Lee wrote:
>
> This is more my style :)
> http://bollingermotors.com
>
> On Mar 7, 2018 5:16 PM, "Jason McKemie"  <mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:
>
> https://www.tesla.com/roadster
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



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Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Darin Steffl]

Josh,

Force 300 DOES work on epmp 1k and 2k. It will require a firmware update in
the next 1-2 months but it absolutely WILL connect to the 1k and 2k AP's.
That's been confirmed a few times already in Cambium forums and partner
docs.

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 3:49 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Double throughput is 4x4 which requires Force 300 CPE.
>
> Force 300 CPE doesn't work on epmp1000/2000 ap =(
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g>
> Suite 1337
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g>
> Troy, OH 45373
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g>
>
> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> " Roughly doubles available throughout on ap"
>> in the same channel size?
>> I can double the throughput right now by going from 20 to 40mhz
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 9:11 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>>
>>> Mu-mimo will not work with n based radios, but besides that they will
>>> work with the new AP is how I took it.
>>>
>>> On Mar 7, 2018 9:04 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Coming soon
>>>>
>>>> Roughly doubles available throughout on ap
>>>>
>>>> If I heard right won't work with elevate
>>>>
>>>> Ac based chipset
>>>>
>>>> Haven't heard frequencies or available dates yet
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my smartphone
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>


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Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 3000

[Darin Steffl]

3000 is backwards compatible with ALL ePMP radios including Elevate. So all
existing Force 110, Force 200 radios will connect to ePMP 3000 and still
have some improvement on latency and throughput without using the new Force
300 CPE

Doubles throughput if all clients are Force 300 AC but you can realize
improvements if only some of the clients are switched like your heavy
users. They will also release an update so the Force 300 CPE will connect
to existing 1000 and 2000 AP's. So instead of 110 Mbps aggregate in 20mhz
channel, you can realize up to 250 Mbps in 20mhz channel with 3000 and
Force 300 CPE.

3000 is 5ghz only, not 2.4 at this time.



On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 10:08 AM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> " Roughly doubles available throughout on ap"
> in the same channel size?
> I can double the throughput right now by going from 20 to 40mhz
>
> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 9:11 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>
>> Mu-mimo will not work with n based radios, but besides that they will
>> work with the new AP is how I took it.
>>
>> On Mar 7, 2018 9:04 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Coming soon
>>>
>>> Roughly doubles available throughout on ap
>>>
>>> If I heard right won't work with elevate
>>>
>>> Ac based chipset
>>>
>>> Haven't heard frequencies or available dates yet
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my smartphone
>>>
>>>
>


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Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

[Darin Steffl]

Letter came via FedEx with required signature. You'll get it soon

On Mar 1, 2018 6:48 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
wrote:

> I've got a similar setup, haven't received a letter as of yet though...
>
>
> 
>  Virus-free.
> www.avast.com
> 
> <#m_3002860893322560380_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 5:31 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> We participated in a program with Straight Path where we got a 39ghz
>> Ceragon IP20.  I got a letter today that Verizon has purchased Straight
>> Path and intends to use the 39ghz band from that acquisition to deploy 5G
>> wireless, and they request we cease transmission by September 4th 2018.
>>
>> That's all fine and good, but it means I have an uncapped Ceragon IP20
>> that won't be legal to operate anymore.  I'm trying to figure if there's
>> anything I can do with it.  My first thought is maybe I can sell it
>> overseas.  Is there a non-FCC market where 39ghz is used?
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 39ghz

[Darin Steffl]

We'd need someone to reach out to ceragon and find out if it's possible to
use it in another band. I know the radios were special made for straight
path.

On Mar 1, 2018 6:43 PM, "Adair Winter"  wrote:

> My thought was, is it possible to use it in any other freq range? Down to
> 23Ghz maybe?
>
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 5:31 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> We participated in a program with Straight Path where we got a 39ghz
>> Ceragon IP20.  I got a letter today that Verizon has purchased Straight
>> Path and intends to use the 39ghz band from that acquisition to deploy 5G
>> wireless, and they request we cease transmission by September 4th 2018.
>>
>> That's all fine and good, but it means I have an uncapped Ceragon IP20
>> that won't be legal to operate anymore.  I'm trying to figure if there's
>> anything I can do with it.  My first thought is maybe I can sell it
>> overseas.  Is there a non-FCC market where 39ghz is used?
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> Adair Winter
> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 <(806)%20316-5071>
> C: 806.231.7180 <(806)%20231-7180>
> http://www.amarillowireless.net
> 
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Darin Steffl]

We have a competitor that sent a somewhat similar letter up here in
Minnesota. We ignored the letter and nothing happened. They also had such
poor reviews on Facebook that they turned them off.

They also yell at their customers and blame them for everything even when
it's the ISP's fault.

We are taking their customers.

End of story.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:44 AM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Merca! Its what we do since we arent allowed to beat our wives anymore.
>
> On Mar 1, 2018 8:28 AM, "Seth Mattinen"  wrote:
>
>> On 3/1/18 6:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, that letter isnt about fcc stuff, its about willfully impeding and
>>> incumbants operations. This fcc talk os what theyre probably expecting the
>>> people to focus on, but thats not their target. This could be interesting
>>> to see play out, hopefully it does end up in court just to get fresh
>>> caselaw. The new operators in the area may suffer a bit if injunctions are
>>> in play, but if they weather it, theyll win, probably get some time and
>>> trouble dough in their pockets too.
>>>
>>
>>
>> What is it with companies that are such shitholes that they have nothing
>> but to threaten and intimidate?
>>
>


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Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Darin Steffl]

Also their Google and Facebook reviews are absolutely horrible. Some of the
worst I've seen for a wisp.

They must be really struggling to stay afloat and offer decent service.

On Feb 28, 2018 9:57 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

> man, that sucks. He probably paid this lawyer too.
>
> wouldnt it be crazy though if this was a loophole nobody thought of cause
> its too dumb to work, but we didnt take into account the level of dumb in
> the judiciary
>
> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:39 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Two guys in Arizona got them but my guess is these people are just
>> fishing.  I’ve got my attorneys looking it over and I’m going to make an
>> inquiry to the Attorney General’s office tomorrow.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>>
>> *4226 S. 37
>> th Street •
>> Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>>
>> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>>
>> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>>
>> *www.triadwireless.net *
>>
>>
>>
>> *“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”*
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] anyone seen this letter yet

[Darin Steffl]

We all know 5ghz is unlicensed and there's nothing they can do about it.

Ignore the letter and deploy where you want. Just don't purposefully go on
the same channel they're on when you can scan and pick a clean channel if
available.

The letter is a scare tactic and nothing more.

On Feb 28, 2018 9:39 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

>
>
>
>
> Two guys in Arizona got them but my guess is these people are just
> fishing.  I’ve got my attorneys looking it over and I’m going to make an
> inquiry to the Attorney General’s office tomorrow.
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> *“Yesterdays Home Runs don’t win todays games!”*
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Billing Portal

[Darin Steffl]

 Sonar customer has to purchase and maintain their own linux system to
> host the web/portal system.
> Then that ties into their main system BUT isn't immediately synched up
> with their main system on any changes.
>
> I've had several times where I've been on the phone with customers and
> made a billing change in Sonar and the customer can't see it in the portal
> until an unspecified amount of time goes by and it updates magically.
>
> NOW my portal is completely out of the blue not responding to web requests
> and appears offline to my customers, for over a day now.
>
> Sonar can't figure it out and want me to nuke it and start over, which if
> I remember, cost me a few hours of time to arrange DNS, SSH access, IPv4/6
> changes, firewall, SSL, logo placement etc beyond their initial load.
>
> I blame myself for not having set up incremental backups of it.
> I'll definitely fix that this time.
>
> But man it would have been so much more simpler if Sonar actually had
> themselves a hosted client page I could slap my logo on and change a few
> CSS color marks.
>
> What a PITA.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Simon Westlake | CEO
>
> simon@sonar.software
>
> (702) 447-1247
>
> https://sonar.software
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Simon Westlake | CEO
>
> simon@sonar.software
>
> (702) 447-1247
>
> https://sonar.software
>
>
>
> --
>
> Simon Westlake | CEO
>
> simon@sonar.software
>
> (702) 447-1247
>
> https://sonar.software
>
>


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Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

[Darin Steffl]

Matt,

We received a transport quote for 1g ethernet for $400 monthly to real
choice. I'm working to see if I can get it even lower. If you're in any
on-net datacenter there's a good chance the cost is much lower than a year
ago.

On Feb 25, 2018 1:04 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
wrote:

>   How are people getting direct fiber feeds for $100/month?
>
> Clearly I need to stop by your booth and see what has changed since we
> last talked.
>
> On Feb 25, 2018, at 13:43, Layne Sisk  wrote:
>
> Chuck,
>   We should talk.  We have so many more connection points now it is
> pretty easy and cheap to connect to us.  Most connections now are between
> $100 and $600.
>
> -Layne
> Sent from my iPhone, so please excuse any misspelled words or embarrassing
> auto-corrects!
>
> On Feb 24, 2018, at 12:29 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com"  wrote:
>
> Layne, what is the real world chance of anyone discovering that you are
> transporting to one of use via VPN?
>
> I think the chance is low.
> Then if discovered, what is the chance that the programmers will care?
>
> When I was working with Dallas, I had quite a few of them agreeing to the
> VPN method.
>
> How about this,  you sell to me, I take delivery in a data center very
> close to you.
>
> Then what I do to transport to the edge server is my business... right?
>
> *From:* Layne Sisk
> *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2018 10:19 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
>
>
> When they do you won’t be able to resell it, they will just sell it to
> your customers and you won’t make anything.
>
>
>
> Layne Sisk
>
> ServerPlus
>
> 801.426.8283, ext 102
>
>  
>
> [image: http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png]
>
> [image: http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png]
> 
>
> [image: http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png]
> 
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2018 6:40 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
>
>
>
> That's how technology is.
>
> Until DirecTV, Google, Sony, etc. get full line-ups OTT, you're not going
> to find something you can sell that's going to have a full line-up.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Clint Wiley" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 6:01:32 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
>
> That’s actually a good point. This is a rapidly moving area. I don’t want
> to choose the wrong technology/solution.
>
> Thanks,
> _
> Clint Wiley
> Hagerstown Fiber Internet
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 23, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> The statement of the week...
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 5:04:40 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
>
> Maybe. Time will tell.
>
>
> On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:46, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> I think those that go over the public Internet don't have nearly the same
> lineup.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 

Re: [AFMUG] epmp 2000 AP real world Wattage.

[Darin Steffl]

2000 definitely has a heater in it for startup if it's too cold. This only
powers on during power up if the radio has been offline and is below a
certain temperature. It only runs run 2 minutes or less in our experience
until a certain internal temp is reached. We see about 16 watts usage with
the heater on. 6 to 8 watts otherwise during normal operation.

On Feb 16, 2018 1:02 PM, "Chris Fabien"  wrote:

> Make sure to check if the ePMP 2000 has a cold start heater like the 1000
> does - that tripped us up a couple times.
>
> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 10:53 AM, Sam Lambie  wrote:
>
>> Thanks Mathew
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 5:33 PM, Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Typically 8-10 watts, from what I've seen.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 5:33 PM, Sam Lambie 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hey all,

 Has anyone cared to note what the real wattage draw of the AP is under
 load? I have a solar site that is getting close to full power wise and am
 looking to put something in that is light on juice.

 thanks
 Sam

 --
 --
 *Sam Lambie*
 Taosnet Wireless Tech.
 575-758-7598 <(575)%20758-7598> Office
 www.Taosnet.com 

>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *Sam Lambie*
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 <(575)%20758-7598> Office
>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] moviepass now strong arming....

[Darin Steffl]

I've gone to 4 movies so far with mine. Card showed up within 8 days I
think. Haven't need to contact them for any issues yet.

I Park the car at the theater, check-in with the app, walk into the theater
and pay with the card.

Has worked perfect each time for me so far. Let's hope it keeps working as
it sounds like their support team doesn't respond from other's experiences.

On Jan 28, 2018 3:57 PM, "Layne Sisk"  wrote:

> Bought one each for my Dad and Step-mom for Christmas.  Step-mom’s still
> has not shown up.  Can’t get anyone to answer a call or email from them.
> Force you to a facebook page with terrible response rate.  My dad tried to
> use his and the theater would not accept it.  Just filed a chargeback and
> gave up on them.
>
>
>
> Layne Sisk
>
> ServerPlus
>
> 801.426.8283, ext 102
>
> [image: New logo xl] 
>
> [image: http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png]
>
> [image: http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png]
> 
>
> [image: http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png]
> 
>
> [image: Utah 100]   [image: fast50-01][image: Inc 5000]
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 27, 2018 3:05 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] moviepass now strong arming
>
>
>
>
>
> It's been known for a while that AMC (america's largest movie chain,
> recently purchasing carmike cinemas down here in the south) - isn't happy
> with moviepass.  Ironically, through googling around tonight moviepass is
> coming back and trying to negotiate through movie chains - attempting to
> get a percentage of ticket sales and concessions.
>
>
>
> If they don't play?  moviepass pulls the theatre.  They've pulled 10 of
> the largest AMC theatres - - many on reddit saying "to make a statement"
>
>
>
> This could get fun to watch :)
>
>
>
> https://techcrunch.com/2018/01/26/moviepass-pulls-out-of-
> amcs-top-theaters-as-negotiations-fail/
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Where to buy fiber optic patch cords etc.

[Darin Steffl]

Fs.com

On Jan 26, 2018 10:41 AM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:

> Where are some good websites to buy fiber optic patch cables, sfps AND
> media converters? I'm hoping to save on shipping by buying from one source.
> Specifically, I need patch cables with SC to SC connectors and an SC SFP.
> Do they make SC SFPs?
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT MoviePass

[Darin Steffl]

Lewis,

The FAQ says you can go every calendar day. But I had a customer tell me
that they had to wait 24 hours for the check-in to work again. Have you had
trouble like that or can you go to a movie yesterday at 9pm and go again
today at 12pm for example, less than 24 hours between them?

On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> I went 3 days ago, yesterday, and again today. I also have been three
> other times this month. $1.66 per movie. Before long I'll believe that is
> all a first release movie is worth just like 20 something think interest
> rates should be zero.
>
> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018, 6:38 PM Darin Steffl 
> wrote:
>
>> Received my moviepass yesterday. Activated today and am at a movie now.
>> The movie cost $10.82 but I only paid the equivalent of $7.50 per month.
>> Already getting more than my money's worth. Going to one or two more movies
>> this weekend probably.
>>
>> Love it!
>>
>> On Jan 19, 2018 10:12 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> the app only lets you pick movies today - - so i am assuming no.
>>> although if you wanted to go to the movie theatre early and buy the ticket
>>> for a later showing i assume you could.  then you could give the ticket to
>>> whomever.
>>>
>>> and you have to pick the movie you want to see on the app - - but since
>>> you're actually using a credit card to buy the card i doubt the software
>>> can only unlock a certain movie.  more likely it unlocks a certain price
>>> amount.
>>>
>>> hmm, that being said, i guess you could buy a ticket for "tomorrow"
>>> assuming the box office can sell you one for tomorrow.  i'd probably try
>>> that first to test my theory using your own cash.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> - Original Message -
>>> *From:* Lewis Bergman 
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent:* Friday, January 19, 2018 9:41 AM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MoviePass
>>>
>>> I don't think so, but I haven't tried such a  thing. "Invest" $10
>>> and find out.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 8:32 AM Cassidy B. Larson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Here’s a random question I had about this.. Can I buy my seat really
>>>> early for a premier, then go by the next day and the next to buy another
>>>> seat as a “buffer” on each side and in front and back.
>>>> Then, could I give some of these tickets to friends and family if I
>>>> wanted to fill in my buffer?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 14, 2018, at 11:31 AM, Darin Steffl 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Chuck,
>>>>
>>>> You sound like us millennials who want everything NOW! Haha ;)
>>>>
>>>> I'm 26 and fine waiting for the card in the mail but I also knew I'd
>>>> have to wait so my expectations were already set. The FAQ spells it out
>>>> pretty clearly.
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 14, 2018 10:37 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I know nothing about Fandor... yet.
>>>>> Still bummed out that I have to wait for the card.  I really thought I
>>>>> could sign up, get the app and use it immediately.
>>>>>
>>>> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
>>>>>
>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 13, 2018 7:24 PM
>>>>>
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MoviePass
>>>>>
>>>> Got moviepass for my wife today through the costco website - it came
>>>>> with a streaming service too.  Anyone else see that?
>>>>> Is it any good?  Appeared to be mostly for movies.
>>>>>
>>>>> "FANDOR"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Chuck McCown
>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 13, 2018 4:06 PM
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MoviePass
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Patience sometimes is hard to come by...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Darin Steffl
>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 13, 2018 1:38 PM
>>>>>
>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MoviePass
>>>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT MoviePass

[Darin Steffl]

Received my moviepass yesterday. Activated today and am at a movie now. The
movie cost $10.82 but I only paid the equivalent of $7.50 per month.
Already getting more than my money's worth. Going to one or two more movies
this weekend probably.

Love it!

On Jan 19, 2018 10:12 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
wrote:

>
> the app only lets you pick movies today - - so i am assuming no.  although
> if you wanted to go to the movie theatre early and buy the ticket for a
> later showing i assume you could.  then you could give the ticket to
> whomever.
>
> and you have to pick the movie you want to see on the app - - but since
> you're actually using a credit card to buy the card i doubt the software
> can only unlock a certain movie.  more likely it unlocks a certain price
> amount.
>
> hmm, that being said, i guess you could buy a ticket for "tomorrow"
> assuming the box office can sell you one for tomorrow.  i'd probably try
> that first to test my theory using your own cash.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Lewis Bergman 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Friday, January 19, 2018 9:41 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MoviePass
>
> I don't think so, but I haven't tried such a  thing. "Invest" $10 and
> find out.
>
> On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 8:32 AM Cassidy B. Larson 
> wrote:
>
>> Here’s a random question I had about this.. Can I buy my seat really
>> early for a premier, then go by the next day and the next to buy another
>> seat as a “buffer” on each side and in front and back.
>> Then, could I give some of these tickets to friends and family if I
>> wanted to fill in my buffer?
>>
>>
>> On Jan 14, 2018, at 11:31 AM, Darin Steffl 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Chuck,
>>
>> You sound like us millennials who want everything NOW! Haha ;)
>>
>> I'm 26 and fine waiting for the card in the mail but I also knew I'd have
>> to wait so my expectations were already set. The FAQ spells it out pretty
>> clearly.
>>
>> On Jan 14, 2018 10:37 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>> I know nothing about Fandor... yet.
>>> Still bummed out that I have to wait for the card.  I really thought I
>>> could sign up, get the app and use it immediately.
>>>
>> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
>>>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 13, 2018 7:24 PM
>>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MoviePass
>>>
>> Got moviepass for my wife today through the costco website - it came with
>>> a streaming service too.  Anyone else see that?
>>> Is it any good?  Appeared to be mostly for movies.
>>>
>>> "FANDOR"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> - Original Message -
>>>
>>> *From:* Chuck McCown
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 13, 2018 4:06 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MoviePass
>>>
>>>
>>> Patience sometimes is hard to come by...
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Darin Steffl
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 13, 2018 1:38 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MoviePass
>>>
>>> Chuck,
>>>
>>> I activated mine as well but the FAQ states we have to wait for the
>>> physical card to arrive before we can activate it and use it. This is
>>> unless your theater supports the e-ticket through movie pass which none of
>>> my theaters do.
>>>
>>> Your billing date starts when you receive and activate the physical card
>>> for the first time.
>>>
>>> Mine shipped a couple days after I redeemed the Costco offer online.
>>>
>>> On Jan 13, 2018 2:14 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sounds Big Brotherish
>>>>
>>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>>
>>> On Jan 13, 2018 1:07 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> That is correct.  Mine came in about a week (after my mom got it for
>>>>> me for Christmas).
>>>>> I used it for the first time last night - saw the commuter.  The card
>>>>> is actually a credit card (mastercard)
>>>>> The app "activates" the card for use for 30 minutes while you are at
>>>>> the movie house.
>>>>> The app uses gps to verify where you are and will only activate the
>>>>> credit card while you are there (within 100 yards)
>>>>> You buy the movie ticket with the "moviepass" credit card.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>> *From:* Chuck McCown
>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 13, 2018 1:12 PM
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MoviePass
>>>>>
>>>>> It appears I have to wait for the physical cards to arrive before I
>>>>> can activate the app.
>>>>> It wants the last 4 digits off the card.
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Joe Novak
>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:08 PM
>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MoviePass
>>>>>
>>>>> It may seem odd.. but have you poked Costco support? I believe they
>>>>> are fairly good about what they sell.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:02 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My wife bought two of them online from Costco.
>>>>>> Still cannot make the app work.
>>>>>> MoviePass so far has not responded with any support.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Bitcoin

[Darin Steffl]

People losing money maybe? I heard it dropped 20%

On Jan 17, 2018 4:11 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> I haven't heard allot of Bitcoin bragging lately. What's going on?

Re: [AFMUG] Colo on Verizon owned Tower

[Darin Steffl]

Verizon doesn't own their towers anymore. They sold every one to American
Tower.

So it must be AT that you're looking at.

On Jan 15, 2018 6:28 PM, "TJ Trout"  wrote:

> I noticed one of my competitors service trucks inside of the fence of one
> of Verizon's owned sites.
>
> Does anyone have contact info on how you obtain a lease from them? Just to
> clarify this is not a CCI or ATC Tower.
>
> Thanks!!
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF24 link that won't pass an RFC2544 test at 500 Mbps

[Darin Steffl]

Siklu would be a better radio for this link.

I don't recall anyone ever running that test on Airfiber radios from what
I've read.

On Jan 15, 2018 11:27 AM, "Eric Kuhnke"  wrote:

Same results for sequence errors either with or without flow control
enabled on the radios, and switch ports that connect to them.



On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 9:23 AM, Colin Stanners  wrote:

> What are the flow control settings? I remember seeing a graph that flow
> control has a big effect on whether AirFibers can hit near the full speed.
>
> On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 11:13 AM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Ubiquiti people who might be watching the list,
>>
>> If you're watching the list, please contact me...  I have an AF24 link
>> with "perfect" RF characteristics that won't pass a 500 Mbps full duplex
>> RFC2544 test. It also fails MEF y.1731 tests at the same data rate.
>>
>> 1.70 km, -55 RSL symmetric on both sides, radios report 774 Mbps capacity
>> full duplex.
>>
>> We have already replaced a radio on one end, the data cables, tried
>> bypassing surge protectors, and replaced cables.
>>
>> This link performs normally with 0.00% packet loss and full duplex layer
>> 3 IP traffic. Between Adva metro Ethernet equipment we can't get a 500 Mbps
>> test to run cleanly.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT MoviePass

[Darin Steffl]

Chuck,

You sound like us millennials who want everything NOW! Haha ;)

I'm 26 and fine waiting for the card in the mail but I also knew I'd have
to wait so my expectations were already set. The FAQ spells it out pretty
clearly.

On Jan 14, 2018 10:37 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> I know nothing about Fandor... yet.
> Still bummed out that I have to wait for the card.  I really thought I
> could sign up, get the app and use it immediately.
>
> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 13, 2018 7:24 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MoviePass
>
>
> Got moviepass for my wife today through the costco website - it came with
> a streaming service too.  Anyone else see that?
> Is it any good?  Appeared to be mostly for movies.
>
> "FANDOR"
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 13, 2018 4:06 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MoviePass
>
> Patience sometimes is hard to come by...
>
> *From:* Darin Steffl
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 13, 2018 1:38 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MoviePass
>
> Chuck,
>
> I activated mine as well but the FAQ states we have to wait for the
> physical card to arrive before we can activate it and use it. This is
> unless your theater supports the e-ticket through movie pass which none of
> my theaters do.
>
> Your billing date starts when you receive and activate the physical card
> for the first time.
>
> Mine shipped a couple days after I redeemed the Costco offer online.
>
> On Jan 13, 2018 2:14 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> Sounds Big Brotherish
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Jan 13, 2018 1:07 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> That is correct.  Mine came in about a week (after my mom got it for me
>>> for Christmas).
>>> I used it for the first time last night - saw the commuter.  The card is
>>> actually a credit card (mastercard)
>>> The app "activates" the card for use for 30 minutes while you are at the
>>> movie house.
>>> The app uses gps to verify where you are and will only activate the
>>> credit card while you are there (within 100 yards)
>>> You buy the movie ticket with the "moviepass" credit card.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> *From:* Chuck McCown
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 13, 2018 1:12 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MoviePass
>>>
>>> It appears I have to wait for the physical cards to arrive before I can
>>> activate the app.
>>> It wants the last 4 digits off the card.
>>>
>>> *From:* Joe Novak
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:08 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MoviePass
>>>
>>> It may seem odd.. but have you poked Costco support? I believe they are
>>> fairly good about what they sell.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:02 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
>>>> My wife bought two of them online from Costco.
>>>> Still cannot make the app work.
>>>> MoviePass so far has not responded with any support.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT MoviePass

[Darin Steffl]

Chuck,

I activated mine as well but the FAQ states we have to wait for the
physical card to arrive before we can activate it and use it. This is
unless your theater supports the e-ticket through movie pass which none of
my theaters do.

Your billing date starts when you receive and activate the physical card
for the first time.

Mine shipped a couple days after I redeemed the Costco offer online.

On Jan 13, 2018 2:14 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Sounds Big Brotherish
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Jan 13, 2018 1:07 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> That is correct.  Mine came in about a week (after my mom got it for me
>> for Christmas).
>> I used it for the first time last night - saw the commuter.  The card is
>> actually a credit card (mastercard)
>> The app "activates" the card for use for 30 minutes while you are at the
>> movie house.
>> The app uses gps to verify where you are and will only activate the
>> credit card while you are there (within 100 yards)
>> You buy the movie ticket with the "moviepass" credit card.
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Chuck McCown 
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 13, 2018 1:12 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MoviePass
>>
>> It appears I have to wait for the physical cards to arrive before I can
>> activate the app.
>> It wants the last 4 digits off the card.
>>
>> *From:* Joe Novak
>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 13, 2018 12:08 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT MoviePass
>>
>> It may seem odd.. but have you poked Costco support? I believe they are
>> fairly good about what they sell.
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 1:02 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> My wife bought two of them online from Costco.
>>> Still cannot make the app work.
>>> MoviePass so far has not responded with any support.
>>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Employee clocking out and such...

[Darin Steffl]

They clock out when they leave their last job. We don't pay for the first
30 minutes of their commute to/from their first and last job. So if they go
to their first job in the morning 45 minutes away, we pay for 15 minutes.
If their last job is 45 minutes from home, we again only pay for 15 minutes
of that drive. If it's 20 minutes, they don't clock in until they arrive
on-site, etc.

You are not obligated to pay for commute times for employees who take their
vehicle home. The 30 minutes is a reasonable expectation for commuting. You
wouldn't be able to say 3 hours is reasonable though and try to get out of
paying them for that long of a drive. This might also be different if your
guy lives 45 minutes away. Then that is a reasonable commuting time that he
would do anyway so you don't need to pay him for that time.

We do our best to have guys go to their first job right away in the morning
and keep them out of the office.

On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 9:02 PM, Jon Langeler 
wrote:

> For employees with company install vehicle, at what point is everyone
> having them clock out at the end of the day if they are allowed to take it
> home? When the job is done? Or when they ‘get back’? What about gas usage
> if they take it home?
>
> Thanks
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>


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Re: [AFMUG] OT movie review

[Darin Steffl]

I bought the Costco deal at 10:50am and received the codes from Csotco at
10:59am.

I haven't signed up on MoviePass website with the code yet so I'm not sure
if there's processing time on their end.

Give it a try?

Anyone can purchase the Costco deal even if they're not members. There's
like a $4.50 surcharge is all for non-members.

On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 11:30 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> If I sign up for the costco deal right now, can I use it in an hour?
>
> *From:* Darin Steffl
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 07, 2018 9:45 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT movie review
>
> Costco even has a deal. I'm signing up for Moviepass now. Didn't even know
> there was such a think! Thanks Lewis
>
> $90 for an annual pass.
>
> https://www.costco.com/MoviePass-and-Fandor-12-Month-
> Subscription-eVoucher.product.100395930.html
>
> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> You need to use it before they go bust.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 1/7/2018 8:40 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>>> Are there any limitations to moviepass?
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT movie review

[Darin Steffl]

Costco even has a deal. I'm signing up for Moviepass now. Didn't even know
there was such a think! Thanks Lewis

$90 for an annual pass.

https://www.costco.com/MoviePass-and-Fandor-12-Month-Subscription-eVoucher.product.100395930.html

On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> You need to use it before they go bust.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 1/7/2018 8:40 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> Are there any limitations to moviepass?
>>
>
>


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[Darin Steffl]

Lots of laughs in Jumanji. I liked it a lot.

On Jan 7, 2018 6:46 AM, "Jeff Broadwick - Lists"  wrote:

Jack Black made the movie!


Jeff Broadwick
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On Jan 7, 2018, at 7:24 AM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:

I agree, didn't like the last one I saw but that one was great fun.

On Sun, Jan 7, 2018, 6:23 AM Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
wrote:

> Jumanji is a really fun movie.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 <(312)%20205-2519> Office
> 574-220-7826 <(574)%20220-7826> Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>
> On Jan 6, 2018, at 11:03 PM, Darin Steffl  wrote:
>
> Went to "Molly's Game" today and it was really good.
>
> Go see it!
>
> On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 8:19 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> What? Didn't go see the Post, or Hostiles?
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
> On Jan 5, 2018 6:06 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>>> I Tonya
>>>
>>> Two thumbs up.  Enjoyed every minute of it.
>>>
>> --
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Re: [AFMUG] OT movie review

[Darin Steffl]

Saw that too. Very good with a little humor mixed in.

On Jan 7, 2018 6:29 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> Darkest hour. Very good. Very interesting inside view. I am no Churchill
> expert so I have no idea if it was even close to accurate.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[Darin Steffl]

Went to "Molly's Game" today and it was really good.

Go see it!

On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 8:19 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> What? Didn't go see the Post, or Hostiles?
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Jan 5, 2018 6:06 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> I Tonya
>>
>> Two thumbs up.  Enjoyed every minute of it.
>>
>


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Re: [AFMUG] AF5X cold weather ethernet problems

[Darin Steffl]

It's probably the temperature playing with the metal connectors changing
the shape enough to go down.

There is a known problem with the ethernet connectors on AF5x being
finicky. Make sure all your cables have "UP" pressure so gravity or other
forces don't pull the cable or wiggle in the ethernet port. Take extra care
to secure the cable so it doesn't hang or blow in the wind. Basically you
should not be able to wiggle the cable much by hand when you're done
securing it with plenty of upward pressure.

Dielectric grease may also be a good thing to put on the connector pins as
well.

On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 10:02 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> Has anyone else seen AF5X radios that starting dropping ethernet in cold
> weather? We have been having sub zero temps at night past week and i have 2
> towers that had an AF5X radio that the ethernet decided to drop out. One
> tower cleared itself up on its own after 2 days, another one just started
> this morning. Looks like i am going to have to climb to replace a radio and
> its freaking -5 degrees out right now.
>



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Re: [AFMUG] Does unlimited mobile data decrease bandwidth usage

[Darin Steffl]

I guess when between my family and business our Verizon bill is upwards of
$770 per month, I use as little wifi as possible so I keep my mobile usage
on their network to get my money's worth.

On Dec 4, 2017 11:20 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> I've almost always had unlimited and I almost always use WiFi when
> available.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Nate Burke" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Monday, December 4, 2017 10:34:35 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Does unlimited mobile data decrease bandwidth usage
>
> Since more Cell companies are switching to unlimited plans/streaming
> included, has that changed if people will actually bother to connect
> mobile devices to Wifi?  I may be shooting myself in the foot, (maybe I
> should find some wood to knock on) but it seems like bandwidth usage has
> had a noticeable drop since Black Friday.  Our BW trend this year has
> been steadily increasing, but since mid November, consumption is down,
> most notably in that overnight peaks are less.   So I'm curious that if
> $standarduser switches to an "Unlimited data" plan, they don't even
> bother to connect to WIFI.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Does unlimited mobile data decrease bandwidth usage

[Darin Steffl]

When I'm not home, I have wifi turned off to use my unlimited. I would do
the same at home but to run Sonos, my phone needs to be in wifi otherwise
I'd just use my unlimited to keep the load off my network and keep it on
Verizon.

Basically, I no longer seek out wifi in order to save data on my plan since
it's unlimited.

On Dec 4, 2017 10:45 AM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:

> I have a (supposedly) grandfathered unlimited plan from Verizon and rarely
> connect to WiFi even though my home WiFi is faster than my phones data.
>
> Nate Burke wrote:
>
>> Since more Cell companies are switching to unlimited plans/streaming
>> included, has that changed if people will actually bother to connect mobile
>> devices to Wifi?  I may be shooting myself in the foot, (maybe I should
>> find some wood to knock on) but it seems like bandwidth usage has had a
>> noticeable drop since Black Friday.  Our BW trend this year has been
>> steadily increasing, but since mid November, consumption is down, most
>> notably in that overnight peaks are less.   So I'm curious that if
>> $standarduser switches to an "Unlimited data" plan, they don't even bother
>> to connect to WIFI.
>>
>> ---
>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
>> http://www.avg.com
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 900mhz 450i make sense to deploy?

[Darin Steffl]

You'd want closer to 15-30 subs per AP on 900mhz to deploy or a high
install cost to make it worthwhile. We're always at 1-year ROI on tower and
CPE gear and any longer than that, we move on to more profitable projects.

If you can't make ROI work, leave the PMP100 up and tell customers you
can't justify to upgrade to higher speeds unless they pay more upfront or
monthly.

You don't owe these subs anything in terms of tying up your cash for that
long.

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> So I have 2% of my customer base that is running 900mhz PMP100 using 11
> different access points. I am trying to cost justify weather it is feasible
> to upgrade them to PMP450i-900mhz. I am using a lot of Omni's with the
> PMP100 so most likely I will need twice as many AP's as I currently have
> because they won't all be on the same side of the towers. So looking at
> costs I see the following:
>
> PMP450i AP's x 20 = $46,000
> 900mhz sectors x 20 = $6,320
> PMP450 SM x 20 = $4,784
> SM antenna x 20 = $1,424
>
> equipment cost total = $58,528
> plus my time of putting it all up
>
> I am currently grossing $934.00/month from the 2% of customers running on
> the PMP100-900mhz now.
>
> At this rate it would take 5 years to break even on deploying the
> 450i-900mhz and I really can't offer any better speeds with it than what I
> was able to offer with the old FSK 2.4/5ghz stuff.
>
> Is it just me or does this not make sense worth deploying?
>



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Re: [AFMUG] computer upgrade

[Darin Steffl]

I'd also stick with SSD. Prices have dropped dramatically.

On Nov 14, 2017 6:28 PM, "Simon Westlake"  wrote:

> I would never put a spinning disk in a PC at this point.
>
> On 11/14/2017 3:24 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>
> �
> a client of mine is looking at some new computers for their office.�
> they've run the specs by me - - i'm not as up on this stuff as i used to be.
> would you change anything?
> �
> SFF
> 1 x Core i7 7700 / 3.6 GHz
> RAM 8 GB
> HDD 1 TB
> DVD-Writer
> HD Graphics 630
> GigE
> Win 10 Pro 64-bit
> �
> The graphics look odd - but i assume they're onboard.
> What do ya'll think of solid state drives now vs. regular hard disks?
> I assume its all solid state now?
> �
> �
>
>
> --
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> Email: simon@sonar.software
> Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
> ---
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> The future of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Best Radios (Licensed) for 2 gig

[Darin Steffl]

The new bridgewave navigator can run 4 channels total. So about 600mbps x 4
= 2.4 gbps full duplex. You would need to have two 80mhz channels available
in both vertical and horizontal polarities to work with that much
bandwidth.

On Oct 21, 2017 7:08 PM, "Jon Langeler"  wrote:

> Yes on 6 gig. I just got an email blast from Solectek. Appears to claim up
> to double the capacity in same spectrum but I might have misunderstood.
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> On Oct 21, 2017, at 7:55 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
> For 22 miles, you're probably looking at lower 6GHz. If you can get two
> 60MHz channel pairs both in H & V, I believe you can do dual
> PTP820C/IP20C's at each end for a little over 2.2 (2.4?) Gbps full duplex.
> Been a while since I looked at all of the different supported
> configurations though, so I might be remembering wrong.
>
> On 10/21/2017 6:47 PM, Mitch Koep wrote:
>
> SIAE, Dragonwave, Bridgewave Navigator
>
> Thanks
>
> Will start Monday
>
> Have to figure out Missouri and my own long link
>
> Thanks for the input
>
> Mitch
>
> On 10/21/2017 6:13 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> Dragonwave as well.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Adair Winter" 
> 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Saturday, October 21, 2017 6:12:31 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Best Radios (Licensed) for 2 gig
>
> SIAE and cambium both make radios that will do above 1gb, you'll need to
> work with the vendor to figure out the best way to get to 2gb. But with
> enough radios and lacp, you should be able to do it. Assuming you have the
> spectrum.
>
> On Oct 21, 2017 5:32 PM, "Mitch Koep"  wrote:
>
>> Am looking at a 22.4 mile link that needs a gig now and 2 gig by end of
>> next year
>>
>> Am trying to figure out the best gear for this application
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Mitch
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon/820C XPIC way off?

[Darin Steffl]

The range is printed on the radio with the serial number. It should be
obvious what the range supports for that radio.

You cannot change the range the radio operates in. You would need a
different radio head to support the band you want to operate in.

On Oct 21, 2017 4:52 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:

> I figured this out.
>
> No one told me, and I wasn't aware, that these Ceragon Radios has a fixed
> TX and RX range per sku/hardware.
>
> So I was trying to operate the radio a bit out of range of the hardware I
> guess.
>
> How do I change the TX/RX range for each of my Ceragon radios, and how
> expensive is that??
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 11:25 AM
> To: 'af@afmug.com' 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon/820C XPIC way off?
>
> Trying to aim up these pair of radios in XPIC and it looks like I've got a
> lot of issues.
>
> This is just from trying to peak one side today.
>
> I'll try more on the other side.
>
> But it also appears that I've got a huge difference between the H and V
> radios in dB.
>
> I mean, is a 7dB difference equivalent to like several degrees off in H/V
> rotation?
>
> Our people tried to rotate the radio with the given groove/slack in the
> radio mount, but didn't seem to change anything.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

[Darin Steffl]

I'm in agreement with Simon that it's much faster and reliable to host in
the cloud than a server on site. It would cost me many more hours, hand
holding, and worry if I had to host this server in my network. If I went on
vacation and something happened, I'd be stressed.

With sonar living in the cloud, there's less to worry about as it's hosted
in a much more reliable datacenter than I could afford to build. It's also
managed by sonar's team so if there's an issue, they take care of it.
Stress free for me.

I see why you might want to host it in house but those reasons do NOT
outweigh all the benefits of letting sonar host it in the cloud for you and
take care of the problems.

Mike, if you don't like Simon's decision to leave it in the cloud, shut up
and move on. There's no reason for you and Matt Hoppes to keep beating a
dead horse and sound like a broken record. Use something else you're happy
with and let the rest of us grow our business and make more $$$ while you
two complain about a product you don't even use. Jeez ha



On Oct 17, 2017 8:31 PM, "Seth Mattinen"  wrote:

> On 10/17/17 6:14 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
>> Expect repeated harassment until a good reason is presented or you
>> capitulate.
>>
>> It's the SFP of the billing\OSS world.
>>
>
>
> I always welcome my competitors to have external dependencies. When they
> try to hand wave their problems away as vendor or cloud problems it helps
> me gain new customers.
>
> ~Seth
>

Re: [AFMUG] I heard that....

[Darin Steffl]

So it's border patrol radar?

On Oct 17, 2017 9:39 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> This telescoping tower is less than quarter mile from international bridge
> and river.  The same dome antenna is on high rise bank building downtown
> and another on hospital rooftop all within a mile of river.   Shhh keep it
> quiet
>

Re: [AFMUG] Unbound DNS server with Raspberry Pi

[Darin Steffl]

How many users are running dns requests to that single core server?

On Oct 16, 2017 10:45 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

> i havent ordered the rig yet for this purpose, too many other things
>
> we run our current vm single core 1gb ram i cant see the pi rig will
> perform worse
>
> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 10:38 PM, Darin Steffl 
> wrote:
>
>> Bump.
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Will the latest Raspberry Pi 3 model with quad-core processor be able to
>> handle a significant DNS load with Unbound running on Linux? I can't seem
>> to find much data out there showing what to expect for performance with
>> different CPU and hardware options.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 10:46 PM, Darin Steffl 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Will the latest Raspberry Pi 3 model with quad-core processor be able to
>>> handle a significant DNS load with Unbound running on Linux? I can't seem
>>> to find much data out there showing what to expect for performance with
>>> different CPU and hardware options.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> --
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>>> 507-634-WiFi
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>>
>>
>>
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>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Unbound DNS server with Raspberry Pi

[Darin Steffl]

Bump.

Hello,

Will the latest Raspberry Pi 3 model with quad-core processor be able to
handle a significant DNS load with Unbound running on Linux? I can't seem
to find much data out there showing what to expect for performance with
different CPU and hardware options.

Thanks

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 10:46 PM, Darin Steffl 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Will the latest Raspberry Pi 3 model with quad-core processor be able to
> handle a significant DNS load with Unbound running on Linux? I can't seem
> to find much data out there showing what to expect for performance with
> different CPU and hardware options.
>
> Thanks
>
> --
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[AFMUG] Unbound DNS server with Raspberry Pi

[Darin Steffl]

Hello,

Will the latest Raspberry Pi 3 model with quad-core processor be able to
handle a significant DNS load with Unbound running on Linux? I can't seem
to find much data out there showing what to expect for performance with
different CPU and hardware options.

Thanks

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Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting

[Darin Steffl]

Jaime,

I agree that guns need to be harder to purchase. I own plenty of guns and
it's way too easy! I wouldn't mind one but if they made it harder to
purchase one or go through a psychological evaluation for assault rifles
that can do lots of damage.

Damn it I'm sick of people caring more about their gun rights than the
rights of American citizens!!

Human life > easy gun ownership

On Oct 2, 2017 11:29 AM, "Jeremy"  wrote:

I had never seen these bump stop devices.  It is hard to believe that they
are legal, and do not require a machine gun license.  I expect that will
not last.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Well crazy is crazy no matter what.  I don't care what allegiance they
> claim..this was a massacre committed by a fucked up person.  People died
> for no good reason.  As much heat as I will take for this, easy access to
> guns has got to change.  Fuck the politics.
>
> On Oct 2, 2017 10:10 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:
>
> Well that is some relief.
>
> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Robert  wrote:
>
>> FBI says no...
>>
>> On 10/2/17 9:09 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>>
>>> ISIS is claiming he was a recent convert and they are responsible, not
>>> verified yet, but if true is pretty scary.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Lewis Bergman >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> I have never been asked any questions coming in and out of Vegas
>>> hotels. There are so many conventions they are used to people who
>>> don't like storing all their expensive gear in the conference room
>>> or whatever.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:49 AM Steve Jones
>>> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 10 rifles and 10k rounds isnt alot of real estate for travel
>>> luggage transport
>>>
>>> On Oct 2, 2017 10:35 AM, "Jaime Solorza"
>>> mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Bet you surveillance footage is getting analyzed.  I am
>>> aware guns can be disassembled to fit in suitcase or travel
>>> bags...but 10 guns if report is accurate...wow.
>>> On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 AM, "Robert" >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Expect metal detectors going in immediately...
>>>
>>> On 10/2/17 7:56 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>>
>>> I won't be surprised if there were baggage checks at
>>> the casino.
>>>
>>> Mike Hammett wrote:
>>>
>>> It would be irrational to change your plans, but
>>> we're all just people.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> 
>>> >> ><
>>> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
>>> >> lligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>>>> ompany/intelligent-computing-solutions
>>> >> any/intelligent-computing-solutions>>>>
>>> >
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>> 
>>> >> ><
>>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange
>>> >> any/midwest-internet-exchange>>>>
>>> >
>>> The Brothers WISP
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>>
>>>
>>> >> el/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg
>>>
>>> >> el/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser"
>>> >> >
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com 
>>>
>>> *Sent: *Monday, October 2, 2017 9:44:58 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
>>>
>>> I wonder if attendance to the WISPA show will be
>>> d

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon Wifi

[Darin Steffl]

Tim,

I was quoting the more expensive unlimited plan (Beyond Unlimited) they
just launched which my numbers are accurate. The faq spells that out. Not
sure where my data is wrong Tim. Your data on the "Go Unlimited" plan is
incorrect as there is no soft data cap. It is always considered
deprioritized behind other customers. Hotspot is always at 600 kbps.

Only the Beyond Unlimited plan has 22GB soft cap, then lower priority. And
15GB full 4G speed on hotspot, then hard cap at 600 Kbps.

Your video streaming numbers are correct which is 480p on the cheaper
unlimited plan and 720p on the more expensive one on smartphones.


Go Unlimited
1 line: $75/month
2 lines: $65 per line/month
3 lines: $50 per line/month
4 lines+: $40 per line/month
*Paper-free billing and AutoPay must be enabled for these prices, otherwise
you pay $5 more/month.*

   - Unlimited 4G LTE data, but you could experience reduced speeds if the
   network is congested at all times. Not after 10GB or 15GB or 20GB or
   22GB of full-speed data usage. If the network is congested where you are,
   you might get slowed down — even at the very beginning of your billing
   cycle.
   - Unlimited talk/text.
   - DVD-quality video streaming (480p) on smartphones and HD (720p) video
   streaming on tablets. There’s no way to watch at higher resolution for
   either.
   - Unlimited mobile hotspot, but hotspot speeds are capped at a maximum
   of 600kbps.

Beyond Unlimited
1 line: $85/month
2 lines: $80 per line/month
3 lines: $60 per line/month
4 lines+: $50 per line/month
*Paper-free billing and AutoPay must be enabled for these prices, otherwise
you pay $5 more/month.*

   - Unlimited 4G LTE data, but you could experience reduced speeds at
   times of network congestion once you exceed 22GB in a billing cycle.
   - Unlimited talk/text.
   - HD video streaming on smartphones (limited to 720p) and Full HD 1080p
   video streaming for tablets. There is no way to stream videos at 1080p or
   higher on phones — period.
   - Unlimited mobile hotspot data with up to 15GB of LTE speeds, (600kbps
   after cap is reached). *If your laptop is tethered to your phone, video
   quality on your laptop will be limited to 1080p.*
   - Free calling, texting, and data in Mexico and Canada.



On Sep 14, 2017 12:02 PM, "Tim Reichhart" 
wrote:

Actually Darin
your not correct either the new plan they have is unlimited 4 lte but still
have soft cap of 22gb and if you use more then 200 gb they can cancel your
plan.

Go Unlimited plan is
unlimited LTE data with 22gb soft cap still enforced but maybe slowed down
after 22gb if site is overloaded
unlimited mobile hotspot is capped at 600kbps speed which that speeds are
permanently locked.

Beyond Unlimited
unlimited LTE data still 22gb soft cap
unlimited mobile hotspot with 15gb.

both plans for video streaming is limited to 480p on smart phones and 720p
on all other devices




--
-Original Message-
From: "Darin Steffl" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 09/14/17 08:41
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Verizon Wifi

Rory,

That's not correct info. What I posted is accurate and verified on Verizon
site listed here. The network never pushes you to the 3g network at all.
You are on 4g all the time, the speed on hotspot just slows to 3g type
speeds after 15gb of hotspot usage. 22gb applies to phone data usage and is
only slowed during times of congestion.

https://www.verizonwireless.com/support/new-verizon-plan-unlimited-faqs/

On Sep 13, 2017 10:30 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

> It actually drops you off of the 4G system and pushes you down to the 3G
> system at 22GB if I'm not mistaking.
>
> Rory
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of* Harold Bledsoe
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 13, 2017 3:56 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Verizon Wifi
>
> Or maybe it was 15 😄.
>
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 6:54 PM Darin Steffl 
> wrote:
>
> After 15GB of usage, mobile hotspot drops to 600kbps or 0.6 mbps speed for
> remainder of month. Not meant for streaming or home usage.
>
> On Sep 13, 2017 5:47 PM, "Travis Johnson"  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I just recently added a Verizon Wifi Jetpack to my personal cell plan. It
> costs me $20/month and it uses my current data plan (which is unlimited). I
> have gotten 40Mbps x 15Mbps in Salt Lake City when connecting with a
> laptop. Even at my house, I get 15Mbps x 5Mbps.
>
> Travis
>
> --
>
> Harold Bledsoe
>

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon Wifi

[Darin Steffl]

Rory,

That's not correct info. What I posted is accurate and verified on Verizon
site listed here. The network never pushes you to the 3g network at all.
You are on 4g all the time, the speed on hotspot just slows to 3g type
speeds after 15gb of hotspot usage. 22gb applies to phone data usage and is
only slowed during times of congestion.

https://www.verizonwireless.com/support/new-verizon-plan-unlimited-faqs/

On Sep 13, 2017 10:30 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

> It actually drops you off of the 4G system and pushes you down to the 3G
> system at 22GB if I’m not mistaking.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Harold Bledsoe
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 13, 2017 3:56 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Verizon Wifi
>
>
>
> Or maybe it was 15 😄.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 6:54 PM Darin Steffl 
> wrote:
>
> After 15GB of usage, mobile hotspot drops to 600kbps or 0.6 mbps speed for
> remainder of month. Not meant for streaming or home usage.
>
>
>
> On Sep 13, 2017 5:47 PM, "Travis Johnson"  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I just recently added a Verizon Wifi Jetpack to my personal cell plan. It
> costs me $20/month and it uses my current data plan (which is unlimited). I
> have gotten 40Mbps x 15Mbps in Salt Lake City when connecting with a
> laptop. Even at my house, I get 15Mbps x 5Mbps.
>
> Travis
>
> --
>
> Harold Bledsoe
>

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon Wifi

[Darin Steffl]

So hotspot throttles hard after 15GB. Phones are deprioritized only after
22GB but it's not a hard speed throttle like hotspots unless there's tower
congestion.

On Sep 13, 2017 5:55 PM, "Harold Bledsoe"  wrote:

> Or maybe it was 15 😄.
>
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 6:54 PM Darin Steffl 
> wrote:
>
>> After 15GB of usage, mobile hotspot drops to 600kbps or 0.6 mbps speed
>> for remainder of month. Not meant for streaming or home usage.
>>
>> On Sep 13, 2017 5:47 PM, "Travis Johnson"  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I just recently added a Verizon Wifi Jetpack to my personal cell plan.
>>> It costs me $20/month and it uses my current data plan (which is
>>> unlimited). I have gotten 40Mbps x 15Mbps in Salt Lake City when connecting
>>> with a laptop. Even at my house, I get 15Mbps x 5Mbps.
>>>
>>> Travis
>>>
>>> --
>
> Harold Bledsoe
>

Re: [AFMUG] Hughes net claiming 25Mbps

[Darin Steffl]

Hughesnet new satellite does 25 mbps but still has very bad data caps. They
don't charge overage anymore, just throttle speed to about 1 mbps.

On Sep 13, 2017 5:10 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Just saw a HughesNet commercial claiming 25Mbps but in small print said
> something about wireless carrier rates and plans . Are these using
> satellite and LTE?  Most of the Cradlepoint routers I have with T-Mobile
> download at 25 to 40Mbps most of the timecurious
>

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon Wifi

[Darin Steffl]

After 15GB of usage, mobile hotspot drops to 600kbps or 0.6 mbps speed for
remainder of month. Not meant for streaming or home usage.

On Sep 13, 2017 5:47 PM, "Travis Johnson"  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I just recently added a Verizon Wifi Jetpack to my personal cell plan. It
> costs me $20/month and it uses my current data plan (which is unlimited). I
> have gotten 40Mbps x 15Mbps in Salt Lake City when connecting with a
> laptop. Even at my house, I get 15Mbps x 5Mbps.
>
> Travis
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT

[Darin Steffl]

..@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> That idea is coming from somewhere and I too would think it
>>> comes
>>> from the DT.  None of my calls say anything about MAC (we
>>> NAT our SM).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>>> 
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>>> 
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Mike Hammett
>>> mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> What does your DT say to do?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>><https://plus.google.com/+I
>>> ntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>><
>>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solu
>>> tions>><https://twitter.com/ICSIL
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>><https://www.linkedin.co
>>> m/company/midwest-internet-exchange
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>><
>>> https://twitter.com/mdwestix
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/
>>> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> *From: *"Steve Jones" >> <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 9:25:38 PM
>>>
>>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT
>>>
>>> Reviving a dead one, cause i can.
>>>
>>> So serverplus, no matter how many times you ask them to
>>> stop,
>>> still asks customers for the mac off their router, even
>>> though
>>> 95 percent of the routers on the market list the freaking
>>> wireless mac. They cant seem to follow simple poe
>>> instructions,
>>> constantly escalating (and billing) when they hook poes
>>> up backward.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you have another option, look into it. Because right
>>> now, ill
>>> get a follow up, solely because of this post, as i did
>>> from the
>>> original post im replying to.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I dont mind our own mopes being mopes. I dont even ming
>>> paid
>>> mopes being mopes. What i dont like is mopes, billing us
>>> for
>>> mopery, and escalating response to being mopes when
>>> called out
>>> in public only. Promising to deescalate the mopery, and
>>> continuing to be mopes and billing for mopery.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At this point, direct dialing saudi arabia is a better
>>> option.
>>> At least when amrut answers the phone, our customers
>>> expectations drop to the level of outsource. And amrut
>>

[AFMUG] Contract templates

[Darin Steffl]

Hello all,

Does anyone have templates you can share for 1 or 2 year contracts? We have
the basics but just wanting to make sure we're not missing anything else
that others may have currently. We have always offered monthly terms with
no contracts to residential but we are now wanting to offer 1 and 2 year
terms to help lower the install cost for some people.

Thank you

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Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT

[Darin Steffl]

sales, a new account for each call based on who answered the phone
> if thats tje case, comission calls, then why bother
>
>
>
> Ive seen multiple existing tickets restarted... bad juju on that.
>
>
>
>
>
> Anybody know if they actually look at existing tickets?
>
>
>
> Closing and resolving unresolved issues is bad business for me too.
>
>
>
>
>
> Im thinking its just a matter of getiing on the same page, but if others
> have had similar issues and found workarounds ... or walked away, please
> let me know.
>
>
>
> Serverplus was not my first choice for an outsourced it, so i may be jaded.
>
>
>
> On Jul 10, 2017 10:13 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>
> Not impressed, a short time in, by any means. Serverplus guys, no offense,
> i need info to make this work outside a retention response. I know luthman
> uses them, but anyone else with powercode, please OT me so i can find out
> whats broke on our side before i have the boss talk.
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT

[Darin Steffl]

Hold times are generally very reasonable on Serverplus. Once in a while
there might be hold times a bit longer but it's rare.

They do NOT route our calls overseas and never have. If I recall, there was
a setting on your account set that accidentally routed some calls overseas.
They have some ISP customers that accept that at a cheaper price. It is not
standard on their normal pricing. It was either you or another ISP that
complained of that and they responded publicly that it was setup to route
the calls to the wrong place.

Overall, generally happy with Serverplus but everyone can use improvement
in some fashions. We'd honestly like to see an email of each call
regardless of whether they escalate it or not, just so we don't miss
anything.

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 8:45 AM, Adair Winter 
wrote:

> What hold times were you seeing with serverplus? They claim they are low
> and have some pretty detailed stats that seem to agree.
>
> On Jul 11, 2017 8:40 AM, "Jeremy"  wrote:
>
>> We went with GTC instead, primarily due to hold times and the fact that
>> S+ routes calls overseas during overflow.  We have an out in our contract
>> if hold times ever exceed a set average, or if they ever route our calls
>> outside the states or to any third party.  We also use Powercode and have
>> been extremely pleased with them, but every call center will require
>> training to get them to do things the way that you want.  I think how they
>> adapt to your wants and needs over time is the real indicator of how they
>> are as a customer service entity.  Ticketing is one of the big training
>> items that will differ with every ISP.  (ie; when to open tickets, when to
>> close tickets, when they should have resolved something on the phone
>> instead of opening a ticket, etc.)  Scheduling is the other thing that we
>> likely all do a bit differently.  I'd say give it time, and work with them
>> to fine tune it to your way of doing things.  If they do not adapt well, I
>> know another company that does
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 7:01 AM, Adair Winter <
>> ada...@amarillowireless.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I really don't follow much of your line of thinking here. Can you be
>>> more clear about what your trying to accomplish or what the problem is?
>>>
>>> We use powercode and enjoy it. Are looking at server plus but haven't
>>> switched yet.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 10, 2017 10:48 PM, "Steve Jones" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I also meant offlist, not OT
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 10, 2017 10:31 PM, "Steve Jones" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Oh yeah, the powercode ticket vs the email ticket formatting is night
>>>>> and day awful, why bother with an api if you cant actually tell what the
>>>>> heck is happening. ... and the  api generated ticket cant be reassigned 
>>>>> for
>>>>> the customer, though i believe thats a powercode issue... and given the
>>>>> "new" powercode, i dont see that getting fixedsimon... simon, where 
>>>>> are
>>>>> you?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 10, 2017 10:27 PM, "Steve Jones" 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Im not sure how they pay, but it looks alot like when we used to
>>>>> comission new sales, a new account for each call based on who answered the
>>>>> phone if thats tje case, comission calls, then why bother
>>>>>
>>>>> Ive seen multiple existing tickets restarted... bad juju on that.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Anybody know if they actually look at existing tickets?
>>>>>
>>>>> Closing and resolving unresolved issues is bad business for me too.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Im thinking its just a matter of getiing on the same page, but if
>>>>> others have had similar issues and found workarounds ... or walked away,
>>>>> please let me know.
>>>>>
>>>>> Serverplus was not my first choice for an outsourced it, so i may be
>>>>> jaded.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 10, 2017 10:13 PM, "Steve Jones" 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Not impressed, a short time in, by any means. Serverplus guys, no
>>>>>> offense, i need info to make this work outside a retention response. I 
>>>>>> know
>>>>>> luthman uses them, but anyone else with powercode, please OT me so i can
>>>>>> find out whats broke on our side before i have the boss talk.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>


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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik OSPF

[Darin Steffl]

I also recommend only using bug fix release for mikrotik. Also make sure
you have clocks synced to an ntp source on every mikrotik router and that
it's accurate.

On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 7:09 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Thanks.  I'll try 6.38.7 tonight.
>
> There haven't been many changes to the network, and every is pingable.  I
> did add one static route for a Baicells eNB a week or two ago, but the
> problem cropped up more recently.  I'll have to look into that a bit more.
>
> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 6:59 PM, Chris Wright  wrote:
>
>> I recommend sticking to the Bugfix releases (currently 6.38.7).
>>
>>
>>
>> Did anything happen recently that could possibly have provoked the
>> disappearance like a VLAN or other L2/L3 change? Are the neighbors pingable
>> on their backbone IPs?
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris Wright
>>
>> Network Administrator
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 05, 2017 4:53 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Mikrotik OSPF
>>
>>
>>
>> Has anyone seen issues with Mikrotik OSPF neighbors just disappearing for
>> no apparent reason? All of my links are ok, but I OSPF just isn't picking
>> anything up on one of them. I might try upgrading both of the Mikrotiks
>> involved, this feels like a bug. I have 6.38.5 on one end and 6.38 on the
>> other, both CCR's.
>>
>
> --
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Re: [AFMUG] Iridium 2.0?

[Darin Steffl]

Viasat 2 will have about 300 gbps of capacity. Viasat 3 will have 1 tbps
per satellite with a total of 3 being launched between 2019 and 2020 for
worldwide coverage.

On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 2:31 PM Chuck Hogg  wrote:

> https://phys.org/news/2017-05-spacex-thousands-internet-satellites.html
>
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 3:10 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> Some companies (more than one) are planning on launching 4,000 satellites
>> each.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Sterling Jacobson" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, July 5, 2017 2:09:57 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Iridium 2.0?
>>
>> 900 f’n satellites? Jeez, isn’t there some sort of international
>> consortium that says that’s more than enough?
>>
>>
>>
>> That’s going to be over 1Tbps capacity network wide?
>>
>>
>>
>> That should definitely help the digital divide for remote areas.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 5, 2017 1:01 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Iridium 2.0?
>>
>>
>>
>> None of these guys know what’s about to hit them with Viasat 2 and Viasat
>> 3.  Other than the latency for gaming and voice, Viasat 2 can hit up to
>> 1Gbps and it goes live in January.  Viasat 3 will by up by 2019 or 2020 and
>> several times faster than Viasat 2.
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 5, 2017 10:47 AM
>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Iridium 2.0?
>>
>>
>>
>> Sure...fill up the sky with more stuff, how the hell are my buddies
>> supposed to navigate through safely?  Lots of people still need to be probed
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 5, 2017 10:21 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>>
>> *OneWeb Satellites Preps for Global Broadband Service*
>>
>> OneWeb Satellites cranked up its assembly line last week in Toulouse,
>> France to begin end-to-end validation, testing, and integration of its
>> first satellites set for launch in just over nine months. The move comes
>> after the FCC granted the company authority to access the U.S. market using
>> its proposed non-geostationary Low Earth Orbit (LEO) satellite
>> constellation. OneWeb says its satellites will enable carriers and ISPs to
>> offer affordable broadband access in rural areas.
>>
>> OneWeb Satellites
>> <http://insidetowers.us7.list-manage.com/track/click?u=d1b803ea3d99f4c1c1335a213&id=72046ebfaa&e=cc20c00449>
>>  is
>> a joint venture between OneWeb communications and Airbus Defense and Space.
>> The Toulouse factory will validate production methods for a larger factory
>> near the Kennedy Space Center, FL. The company plans to initially launch 10
>> satellites, and grow the constellation to 900 satellites to offer
>> high-speed internet with global coverage and bridge the digital divide by
>> 2027.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> --
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement

[Darin Steffl]

We've been Google apps for business now for over 5 years. Love it and know
I don't have to worry about my data being secure and backed up. Also don't
have to administer a server and spam filters. It just something I don't
want to think about and Google gives me that ability. If you're running a
wisp, then run your wisp instead of doing email and stuff. Google kicks ass!

On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 8:25 AM Paul McCall  wrote:

> Which hosted service are you using?  Cost effective?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson
> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 6:35 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>
>
>
> The very low cost plan I am on appears to have sharepoint included at some
> capacity.
>
>
>
> I don’t use it though.
>
>
>
> I had sharepoint running for a while on my own Exchange server a few years
> ago.
>
>
>
> It ran fine, but I had to run firewalls specific to it to make sure I
> wasn’t hacked.
>
>
>
> I don’t know if I’m any better hacking wise with the MS hosted solution,
> but probably.
>
> At least I don’t have to worry about all that crap anymore.
>
> I just wonder if they will ever get password hacked etc.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 4:30 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>
>
>
> It was a little more work to set up but hosted Exchange has limitations.
> We are also planning on adding Sharepoint and integrating some other
> functions on the server when we upgrade the hardware.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *That One Guy /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 3:56 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>
>
>
> I had the same attitude, but our 2011sbs took a shit and we decided it
> would be quicker to swap to hosted exchange than rebuild (gave us the
> option to build a new 2012 active directory and get rid of all the sbs
> nonsense)
>
> I love it, no messing with firewalls, keeping patches in place, if there
> is ever an issue, i just initiate a ticket and actually get to go home, so
> much better funner
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> I just don’t want our core business email in the cloud.  We do our WISP
> emails in the cloud but not the core.
>
>
>
> Maybe I am naïve, but would like to think there are certain things that
> maybe the government might not have access to.  Nothing to hide, but it’s
> the principle of ot
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson
> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 5:14 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>
>
>
> For your office? So no client email for ISP etc?
>
>
>
> I got sick of managing Exchange, so I just use cloud 365. Works fine for
> small or large nubmers, doubt it will bail anytime soon.
>
> Don’t need to worry about hardware/software/domain AD etc. etc.
>
> It’s not too hard to manage online.
>
>
>
> When I was hosting email I used Zimbra, but now days I don’t bother with
> client email.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Paul McCall
> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2016 3:02 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Exchange Server replacement
>
>
>
> Our Microsoft Small Business server 2011 is getting “long in the tooth”
> and my Unix guys are expressing the desire to explore other options.
>
>
>
> I have grown accustom to MS servers, even though they can be a resource
> hog.   I use Touchdown client with my Android phone and “if just works”
>
>
>
> I don’t want to do a cloud based replacement per se.  Not comfortable with
> my entire business email system, etc. being out in the world.
>
>
>
> S…. What have you guys moved to for an Exchange type alternative?
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, Pres.
>
> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 office
>
> 772-473-0352 cell
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Contact for CTI.

[Darin Steffl]

I forgot to say that Wav ships out of Chicago and anything FedEx ground
from them to us in Minnesota is always next business day.

On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 10:29 AM, Darin Steffl 
wrote:

> Wav has been good to us as has CTI so not sure why you're having trouble.
> My rep at Wav is below. At CTI, I work with Jeff Broadwick and he's been
> great to work with.
>
> Neil Patel
> ne...@wavonline.com
>
> On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Brandon Yuchasz 
> wrote:
>
>> Anyone have an email address for someone at CTI that can actually get
>> something done.  I’m beyond frustrated with the run around I am getting on
>> a simple Cambium RMA it’s been weeks and every time I email to follow up
>> with them I am asked to provide the same info I have already given them.
>> Apparently I need a boss to get involved.
>>
>>
>>
>> They were so bad for so long years ago but a few years ago now a new
>> sales rep kept calling me and I finally gave him a chance. Everything went
>> smoothly and eventually I ended up buying just about everything from them.
>> Its been great for the last two years no issues but man the last several
>> months its like the old CTI is back.  I’m about done with them.
>>
>>
>>
>> While I am at if anyone know of any vendors that sell Cambium and can
>> ship out of Chicago FedEx? I get FedEx ground out of Chicago the next day.
>> Its one of the main reasons along with my sales rep I have been using
>> Convergence.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brandon
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Contact for CTI.

[Darin Steffl]

Wav has been good to us as has CTI so not sure why you're having trouble.
My rep at Wav is below. At CTI, I work with Jeff Broadwick and he's been
great to work with.

Neil Patel
ne...@wavonline.com

On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Brandon Yuchasz 
wrote:

> Anyone have an email address for someone at CTI that can actually get
> something done.  I’m beyond frustrated with the run around I am getting on
> a simple Cambium RMA it’s been weeks and every time I email to follow up
> with them I am asked to provide the same info I have already given them.
> Apparently I need a boss to get involved.
>
>
>
> They were so bad for so long years ago but a few years ago now a new sales
> rep kept calling me and I finally gave him a chance. Everything went
> smoothly and eventually I ended up buying just about everything from them.
> Its been great for the last two years no issues but man the last several
> months its like the old CTI is back.  I’m about done with them.
>
>
>
> While I am at if anyone know of any vendors that sell Cambium and can ship
> out of Chicago FedEx? I get FedEx ground out of Chicago the next day. Its
> one of the main reasons along with my sales rep I have been using
> Convergence.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon
>
>
>



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Re: [AFMUG] 1Gb 12 miles

[Darin Steffl]

You cannot run two AF11FX's on one dish according to AirFiber engineers.
They may work on something in the future they said like an OMT but there's
no way to make this work today. You need one radio per dish.

On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 9:16 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> Tell me more about how to use two AF11X radios on one dish with diplexers.
> Is this running Half or Full Duplex? I may have a situation where I need to
> do this to save on tower rent for more dishes.
>
> On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 10:57 AM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> Even with 3 AF24HD links across that distance they probably are going to
>> drop at some point because of rain... at 3-4 miles 24ghz is going to be
>> dropping pretty often throughout the summer around here - probably not as
>> big of a deal where you are, but I suspect they would still drop
>> occasionally.
>>
>> Using 2 AF11 links like Gino suggested actually might not be a bad idea.
>> I think it should be possible to put two radios on a single dish (if you
>> can get the right channel pairs) because of the way they're setup with
>> diplexers... it could potentially be done pretty cheaply.
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Brett A Mansfield <
>> li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I was just wondering. If such a radio existed, and I'm sure it does. I
>>> think I've decided to just use 3 AF24HD links in a daisy chain. I was just
>>> hoping to not have to find way points.  Thanks everyone for the input.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Brett A Mansfield
>>>
>>> On Jun 10, 2017, at 7:43 AM, Adair Winter 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> This is not a good idea unless you live somewhere it never rains.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 8:34 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <
>>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> if you can find another hop in the middle of the link do two AF24HD
>>>> links at 6 miles each
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 5:53 AM, Gino A. Villarini 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Link aGgregate 2 AF11x links, both have to have epic and 80 mhz
>>>>> channels
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/9/17, 9:51 PM, "Af on behalf of Brett A Mansfield"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>>>>> President
>>>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >I think it might be.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Thank you,
>>>>> >Brett A Mansfield
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> On Jun 9, 2017, at 7:32 PM, Jay Weekley 
>>>>>
>>>>> >>wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Is this a case of you can have fast, cheap and reliable but you can
>>>>> >>only pick 2?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Brett A Mansfield wrote:
>>>>> >>> I have no specific preference. But I need it soon, I need 2Gb
>>>>> >>>aggregate, and I need it cheap (which is relative). I know I may
>>>>> have
>>>>> >>>to give one of those up, but I'm trying not to have to.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Thank you,
>>>>> >>> Brett A Mansfield
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 5:34 PM, Colin Stanners >>>> >>>><mailto:cstann...@gmail.com >> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> 11 / 15 / 18ghz depending on your uptime, rain zone, dish size
>>>>> >>>>requirements or limitations. Two single polarity radios or one
>>>>> XPIC...
>>>>> >>>>Any preferred licensed manifacturer?
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> On Jun 9, 2017 6:27 PM, "Brett A Mansfield"
>>>>> >>>>mailto:li...@silverlakeinternet.com
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>>>wrote:
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>What would be the best (and cheapest) way of transmitting a gig
>>>>> >>>>(2Gb aggregate) 12 miles?
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>Thank you,
>>>>> >>>>Brett A Mansfield
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>><http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_
>>>>> source=link&utm
>>>>> >>>_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient>Virus-free.
>>>>> www.avg.com
>>>>> >>><http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_
>>>>> source=link&utm
>>>>> >>>_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>>>>> >>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Adair Winter
>>> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
>>> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 <(806)%20316-5071>
>>> C: 806.231.7180 <(806)%20231-7180>
>>> http://www.amarillowireless.net
>>> <http://www.amarillowireless.net>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>


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[AFMUG] Customer agreements and signature

[Darin Steffl]

Hello all,

We've never done contracts for residential before so wondering how you all
do this. Do you have paper copies that are signed during the install or do
you send something electronically before the install to have signed?

If you're electronic, what service do you use for this to have customers
sign?

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Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor enclosures for WS-12-250-DC

[Darin Steffl]

We always face the ports down and yes, we mount in a similar size box like
that where it is flat on the backboard.

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 8:17 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> You have the ports facing up?  Dang.
>
> I'm doing similar but the ports are facing down.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> Hard to find one that is deep enough to DIN mount it.  We have been
>> mounting them flush against the back plate of enclosures (if we don't have
>> rackmountable enclosures at the site already).  We do this for both
>> bottom-of-the-tower and top-of-the-tower builds.  Here is an example.
>>
>> On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone found a good outdoor enclosure for these yet?
>>>
>>> Life would be pretty damn perfect if they were made outdoors (fiber and
>>> DC up the tower to feed a WS).
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>
>>
>


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance

[Darin Steffl]

I cannot believe you haha! Great way to announce a pregnancy lol 😂😂
On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 6:13 PM Joe Novak  wrote:

> LOL. Excellent delivery. Congrats Steve!
>
> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Hers the initial diagnostic output
>>
>> On May 9, 2017 9:52 AM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>>
>>> There is only one infected device. The malicious code that is
>>> replicating is directly attached to the command and control node. I know a
>>> lot of people would simply CleanSweep, but we just don't feel that is an
>>> appropriate step. There may be an IOT baby monitor that gets swept up in
>>> all this before its over in December.
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 7:34 AM, David Milholen 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As any virus running on a network it has a pattern weather it be
>>>> dormant on the network at times or not.
>>>>
>>>> Identify the pattern and where it is trying to phone home to and
>>>> isolate it from phoning home. Then Clean sweep the machines you have
>>>> control of.
>>>>
>>>> The worst part of any of this is that IOT devices IE(ip cameras,dvrs,
>>>> tempature monitors and others) are the real threat as they have weak basic
>>>> code that is open to the network.
>>>>
>>>> Isolation will be your best bet. This will prevent DDOS attacks on one
>>>> front but doesnt stop new viruses from entering.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/8/2017 10:34 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>>>
>>>> an addendum to this, there are two primay variants to the payload. One
>>>> tends to be much more aggressive, a much more roughly defined code, not all
>>>> that pretty, but ultimately very versatile and robust. The other is
>>>> normally more elegant in design, but it tends to be visciously malicious,
>>>> this is the one to be most concerned of. Its underlying code has started
>>>> wars and destroyed nations
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Steve Jones 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So this weekend I discovered a Trojan virus on my network. Sometime
>>>>> around January we had opted to remove an old firewall that had met its
>>>>> product life cycles end. We were still in the process of deciding whether
>>>>> to continue with temporary firewalls or look toward more robust
>>>>> input/output chain policies for a hardened, more permanent solution. In 
>>>>> the
>>>>> mean time, of course, we continued to do the upload/download thing. We had
>>>>> some suspicion that there was something going on, we noted alot of
>>>>> broadcast storms, particularly in the mornings. The network had become
>>>>> particularly sluggish and there seemed to be alot of application bloat,
>>>>> initially i just attributed this to poor code maintenance resulting in a
>>>>> memory leak.
>>>>> We did a basic Netstat this weekend and discovered a traffic anomaly.
>>>>> So we went to a professional and had them run a packet sniffer. We had
>>>>> verification of foreign code, likely for as long as 6-8 weeks.
>>>>> It will be layer 3 in this case but its too early to tell whether this
>>>>> codes payload will be TCP or UDP, we will be monitoring as the code
>>>>> replicates. This is a pretty common virus, as a matter of fact we have all
>>>>> had it at one point, probably so long ago we dont even remember. We
>>>>> anticipate The fully formed packet chain to leave NAT mode and be fully
>>>>> routed out to the WAN in December.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] RF attenuators

[Darin Steffl]

Be careful with the integrated 450i though as the FTB isn't good enough for
gps sync according to cambium.
On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:00 AM George Skorup 
wrote:

> Accuracy. Known-good connectorized SMs to verify multiple APs in 3 and
> 5GHz. Coaxes and attenuators only. I've used antennas and bare SMs
> pointed up at the ceiling and it's just not reliable. We ended up
> redeploying an old AP that apparently has bad Tx on one polarity. Really
> trying to cut down on the BS and multiple tower climbs. Also getting
> really sick of weather-seals leaking for no apparent reason. Which is
> another reason I'm not so mad about the 450AP going away. We'll probably
> just start using that fancy new 450i integrated 90 over time. No coaxes
> to worry about with that.
>
> On 5/4/2017 7:23 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> > Yes.
> > But is there a reason you don't want to use the paper clip trick?
> > Single piece of wire quarter wavelength is all  you need.
> >
> > -Original Message- From: George Skorup
> > Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 5:54 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF attenuators
> >
> > So... I'm having bad luck finding 60dB attenuators in DC-6GHz or
> > greater. I found some 50's, but they're only 4GHz. WTF.
> >
> > Stupid question. Can I stack 30's to get 60? I see lots of N to N in
> > 30dB on Amazon. Up to 1W mostly. Looks like for cellular amp/repeater
> > type stuff. So I assume they won't have a problem with bi-directional Tx.
> >
> > On 5/4/2017 5:33 PM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
> >> 60 dB pads are what we typically use internally...
> >>
> >> Matt
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
> >> Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 5:31 PM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: [AFMUG] RF attenuators
> >>
> >> I need to RF test some 450 APs with connectorized SMs. What's a good
> >> option for N to N attenuators? I'm thinking I want like 60dB so
> >> there's no chance of the SM overloading the AP Rx (because SM Tx
> >> power control doesn't kick in for a few minutes).
> >
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Phone line passthrough for in-wall AP

[Darin Steffl]

I have never seen an in wall AP with pass through RJ11, only an active RJ45
port for a computer or voip phone for example.
On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 5:26 PM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> In-Wall AP.  In this case the UBNT UAP-AC-IW.  A lot of in wall access
> points have an RJ11 pass through for phones but being UBNT, this one
> doesn't.  Looking for something like the attached image, except more like
> just the outer ring. with an empty center so I can mount the in wall AP on
> top of it and pass the phone connection out the side or bottom.
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Not clear, in wall AP or in wall ATA?
>> I would think a wall plate with both RJ45 and RJ11 on it.
>>
>> *From:* Carl Peterson
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 04, 2017 8:37 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Phone line passthrough for in-wall AP
>>
>> Looking at installing a few hundred in wall APs somewhere where they are
>> still using the phone lines.  There is currently Cat5 lines, one phone, one
>> data, run to a single low voltage box.  Rather then having to cut and
>> install a new low voltage frame, does anyone know of something like an
>> extension ring with an RJ11 port on the side?  Seems simple and I feel like
>> I have seen them before but can't seem to find anything like it.
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Carl Peterson
>
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>
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>
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>
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Re: [AFMUG] [Texas] Rural Bandwidth

[Darin Steffl]

We've also had good luck with Consolidated Communications. Our rep has been
very helpful in Minnesota. Engineers are knowledgeable as well.

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Mitch Koep  wrote:

> Mathew saved our butt when Puro Broadband (Karl Koepke) left us hanging
> with a
>
> circuit disconnect due to non payment of over 7 months (yes we paid the
> bill to Puro)
>
> We ended up with a gig for 39.00 more than we were paying Puro for 100 meg
>
> Mathew kept me updated every step of the way.
>
>
> Mitch
>
> On 04/26/2017 01:12 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> Consolidated has been very flaky with us. Not so much technically, but the
> people. One minute they're going all out, next minute they're not
> interested.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Mitch Koep"  
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, April 26, 2017 1:09:53 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [Texas] Rural Bandwidth
>
> Call Consolidated Communication
>
> Mathew Schultz
>
> 612-314-2212 <(612)%20314-2212>
>
> matthew.shu...@consolidated.com
>
> They have beat everyone here and have a very large fiber
>
> foot print in Texas. He is fantastic to work with.
>
> Mitch Koep
>
> 218-851-8689 <(218)%20851-8689> cell
>
>
>
> On 04/26/2017 12:32 PM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote:
>
> In my experience, Suddenlink has been solid on the fiber side.�
>
> I feel like they will be your best bet.�
>
> �
>
> Unfortunately, they aren�t the cheapest in town.�
>
> �
>
> Jim Bouse
>
> Owner
>
> Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi
>
> 979-985-5912 <(979)%20985-5912>
>
> j...@brazoswifi.com
>
> �
>
> *From:* texas-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:texas-boun...@wispa.org
> ] *On Behalf Of *Jon Paul Kelley
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 26, 2017 9:35 AM
> *To:* te...@wispa.org
> *Cc:* Principal WISPA Member List  ;
> memb...@wispa.org; af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [Texas] Rural Bandwidth
>
> �
>
> I am in rural East Texas, Jacksonville, to be exact, and it is time to
> start looking for new bandwidth providers to get me some service out here.
> Currently, Frontier is the local phone company and they do not know
> anything other than 12/1 business plan with TV. Windstream has fiber to my
> office, they are one of my current providers, but dealing with them is like
> trying to pull teeth on a Great White Shark and the bill has been creeping
> up for the last 3 years. $100 her. 5% there. Suddenlink is the other
> provider, and my other provider, and they are rock solid with service and
> price is the same month after month.
>
> �
>
> I got a quote from Cogent for bandwidth out here and then got a message
> about them not being about to cross LATA boundaries.
>
> �
>
> I am sure some of you have encountered this before and might has some
> solutions that I have not thought about or even know about.
>
> �
>
> All suggestions and any advice is welcome.
>
> �
>
> Address is 101 Nance Street Jacksonville, TX 75766.
>
> �
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> �
>
> *Jon Paul Kelley*
>
> *903-589-0044 x-102 <(903)%20589-0044>*
>
> [image: logo-small2]
>
> www.ckswireless.com
>
> �
>
>
> --
> Mitch Koep
>
> A Better Wireless218-851-8689 <(218)%20851-8689> cell
>
>
>
> --
> Mitch Koep
>
> A Better Wireless218-851-8689 <(218)%20851-8689> cell
>
>


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[AFMUG] PTP600 bandwidth allocation

[Darin Steffl]

Hello,

Looking at some used PTP600 links and I know they're capable of 300 Mbps
aggregate on a 30 MHz channel. My question after reviewing the data sheets
and not finding the answer is, how is the bandwidth allocated? Do we need
to select 50/50 or 75/25 allocations for example or is there an "Auto" mode
that allows traffic to flow freely in either direction without being locked
like I'm used to with Cambium PMP?

Thanks

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[AFMUG] 80-90 foot tower

[Darin Steffl]

Hello all,

We have a customer whose house is in the middle of a forest basically and
we can't get to one of our towers by going outside the trees because they
don't own the property. The only other option is to go above the trees.
They had a friend with a professional drone come out and the trees are at
75 feet so he probably needs a 85-90 foot tower to get above the tree
canopy.

We only need to mount an ePMP Force 200 (18" diameter dish) to the top of
the tower so the load is fairly minimal.

He is getting some quotes for about $8k installed but that seems a little
high to me. What should he be seeing for hardware plus labor for a tower
that can support this height and small load?

Any manufacturers/models would be appreciated. Thank you

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Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback

[Darin Steffl]

We haven't used them yet but the introduction call with a sales guy then
nearly an hour long call with an engineer left me feeling warm and fuzzy.
We'll likely use them for some large projects coming up.

They seem to know what's going on and probably know mikrotik and test it
more than most consultants do.

Not sure why you're having trouble sterling. They are attentive to me.
On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 6:28 PM Paul McCall  wrote:

> Hmmm… they claim 35 consultants on staff… you have had problems Sterling?
>
>
>
> Can you tell me more?  Offlist, if need be
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 6:38 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback
>
>
>
> Other than I can never get them to contact me? Nope.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Paul McCall
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 2:12 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback
>
>
>
> Anybody have good or bad experience with these folks in the area of
> Mikrotik consulting?
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] DC Power Site

[Darin Steffl]

So it looks like we will go with the 24v system (AD-155B) for now.

Does the voltage adjustment screw only change the Load voltage or also the
battery charge voltage?

What happens if the batteries run completely dead? When AC power is
restored, will the power supply still boot up properly and provide DC power
for our load and start charging the dead battery?

What do you all recommend for fuses and breakers as well for a microsite
like this? Any pics and/or part numbers would be greatly appreciated. I've
found plenty of info on the DIN rail solutions but not seen any pics with
the AD-155 yet.

Thank you all!

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 1:51 PM, David Hulsebus 
wrote:

> I discussed this last week with a power engineer.
>
> We plan to use 4 Trojan T105 batteries in series to create a 24V string.
>
> With 280 Ah batteries they said we would need a 40 amp charging circuit if
> I want to run from DC while batteries are also being charged.  I use 8 amps
> of continuous power.
>
> Here are the two devices he spec'd for the project.
>
> DLS-27-40/IQ4 Iota charger
>
> RSD-300B-24 Meanwell 24V DC output 11.3A
>
> The power guy said the biggest mistake made is not sizing the charge
> device large enough. Sure we only need 8 amps, but the batteries may
> consume 30 or more during a bulk charge.
>
> Dave Hulsebus
>
> On 3/20/2017 2:10 PM, Scott Lambert wrote:
>
> We've had a lot of failures with the AD-155B. That could be something
> we're doing wrong.
>
> If you end up with a couple of AFs or some LTE gear onsite, you will want
> more than 150w. I'm leaning more toward having a 24v power supply that
> knows how to maintain batteries and running the load straight off the
> battery bank.
>
>
>
> On March 20, 2017 12:28:39 PM CDT, Josh Baird 
>  wrote:
>>
>> Just use a AD-155B or AD-155C like has been said.  Don't bother with 12V.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 1:25 PM, Darin Steffl 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Justin,
>>>
>>> Our planned load for this site is only 70 watts for two backhauls, an
>>> omni, and netonix. This should be well within range of the 155 watt power
>>> supply, no? Our ethernet runs are also only 30 feet or less.
>>>
>>> I also don't see that the voltage is adjustable on the AD-155 though?
>>> Spec sheet doesn't mention it or have a picture of that.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Justin Wilson  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Don’t skimp by going with the lower voltage.  You will run into an
>>>> amperage issues pretty quickly.  Seen a 12-13 volt site with 1 backhaul and
>>>> an omni run into amperage issues within a week.  Voltage is fine, just way
>>>> too much amperage.  It’s not worth the headache.
>>>>
>>>> Justin Wilson
>>>> j...@mtin.net
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
>>>> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
>>>>
>>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
>>>> Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 20, 2017, at 1:11 PM, Darin Steffl 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> We're looking to build our first DC power site for small MicroPops and
>>>> I see two options after reviewing the WISPA archives.
>>>>
>>>> The first option would be the the SDR-240-24 and DR-UPS40 with Two 12v
>>>> batteries powering a Netonix DC switch.
>>>>
>>>> The second option we were looking at is just doing the AD-155A with one
>>>> 12v battery but I see the charging current is only 0.5 amps and voltage is
>>>> only 13.3V which is not an optimal float voltage.
>>>>
>>>> My question is, to keep cost down, would we be OK going the AD-155A
>>>> route with the slightly lower float voltage with a 35ah battery? We're ok
>>>> with the battery taking longer to charge but I'm just most worried if the
>>>> 13.3V will wreck the battery or not.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks all
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Darin Steffl
>>>> Minnesota WiFi
>>>> www.mnwifi.com
>>>> 507-634-WiFi
>>>> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Minnesota WiFi
>>> www.mnwifi.com
>>> 507-634-WiFi
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Re: [AFMUG] DC Power Site

[Darin Steffl]

Justin,

Our planned load for this site is only 70 watts for two backhauls, an omni,
and netonix. This should be well within range of the 155 watt power supply,
no? Our ethernet runs are also only 30 feet or less.

I also don't see that the voltage is adjustable on the AD-155 though? Spec
sheet doesn't mention it or have a picture of that.

On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Justin Wilson  wrote:

> Don’t skimp by going with the lower voltage.  You will run into an
> amperage issues pretty quickly.  Seen a 12-13 volt site with 1 backhaul and
> an omni run into amperage issues within a week.  Voltage is fine, just way
> too much amperage.  It’s not worth the headache.
>
> Justin Wilson
> j...@mtin.net
>
> ---
> http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
>
> http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
> Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric
>
> On Mar 20, 2017, at 1:11 PM, Darin Steffl  wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> We're looking to build our first DC power site for small MicroPops and I
> see two options after reviewing the WISPA archives.
>
> The first option would be the the SDR-240-24 and DR-UPS40 with Two 12v
> batteries powering a Netonix DC switch.
>
> The second option we were looking at is just doing the AD-155A with one
> 12v battery but I see the charging current is only 0.5 amps and voltage is
> only 13.3V which is not an optimal float voltage.
>
> My question is, to keep cost down, would we be OK going the AD-155A route
> with the slightly lower float voltage with a 35ah battery? We're ok with
> the battery taking longer to charge but I'm just most worried if the 13.3V
> will wreck the battery or not.
>
> Thanks all
>
> --
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com
> 507-634-WiFi
> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook
> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi>
>
>
>


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[AFMUG] DC Power Site

[Darin Steffl]

Hello all,

We're looking to build our first DC power site for small MicroPops and I
see two options after reviewing the WISPA archives.

The first option would be the the SDR-240-24 and DR-UPS40 with Two 12v
batteries powering a Netonix DC switch.

The second option we were looking at is just doing the AD-155A with one 12v
battery but I see the charging current is only 0.5 amps and voltage is only
13.3V which is not an optimal float voltage.

My question is, to keep cost down, would we be OK going the AD-155A route
with the slightly lower float voltage with a 35ah battery? We're ok with
the battery taking longer to charge but I'm just most worried if the 13.3V
will wreck the battery or not.

Thanks all

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Re: [AFMUG] Outsource Sales

[Darin Steffl]

I know of a company that is starting who will do JUST that. Sales and
scheduling, etc. They are also planning on tech support as well.

I'll shoot you an email offlist so you can talk with this company. They're
an ISP and looking to start the sales/tech support where they treat your
customers as their own.

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 10:17 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I have had mixed results over the years.  Outsourcing sales will work just
> fine.  Tech support is a bit more tricky.  You will have to come up with a
> pretty exhaustive decision tree/flow chart and even then they will have to
> escalate a good portion of tech support calls back to you.
>
> *From:* Wireless Administrator
> *Sent:* Monday, March 06, 2017 9:13 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Outsource Sales
>
>
> Over time I’ve seen plenty of discussion about outsourcing technical
> support.
>
>
>
> Does anyone have experience outsourcing the sales process?  I’m talking
> about new internet access account  signup process not marketing.
>
>
>
> Steve B.
>



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[AFMUG] Verizon Unlimited coming back

[Darin Steffl]

So tomorrow, Verizon launching an Unlimited cell plan like the other 3 big
carriers. Full speed up to 22GB, then will only be slowed if a certain
tower is congested. 10GB mobile hotspot included with 4G, then drops to 3G
after. Includes Mexico and Canada roaming up to 500MB per day.

$80 for single line.
$45 per line if you have 4 lines.

They lost quite a few postpaid customers last quarter and this seems to be
a response to them losing customers to the other 3 carriers. So now all 4
national carriers have an unlimited data plan with caveats of course.


http://www.verizon.com/about/news/get-unlimited-data-network-you-deserve-verizon

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[AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

[Darin Steffl]

Hey guys,

I'm not sure if Gin Pole is the right term but we're looking for something
like that for lifting things up our grain leg sites that will attach to the
structure or our antenna pipes. This would allow us to attach our pulley
above the structure so we can lift our gear up and over the railings at our
sites.

Any idea what exactly I should be looking for and any recommended products
for us to look at?

Thanks

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Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these

[Darin Steffl]

Chuck,

Can you provide some scenarios where an ILEC is required to build? For
example on that 20 mile build. Was there not already copper in the ground
for voice service? I know an ILEC is required to provide voice but are they
actually required to build to that customer at no charge to them for
capital build? Internet is not required to be built with USF, just voice
correct?

So for that 20 mile build, there were no other homes on that span and I'm
assuming no usable copper so fiber was the logical choice? How was the
build funded and justified? New home on some ranch in Montana or something?

Small ILEC or big one like century link? I wouldn't think century link
would ever build 20 miles to anyone at no cost to the end user.

Trying to learn more about this.

Thanks

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 12:02 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> The national doctrine of universal service does not allow you to
> discriminate against people like that.  Moreover the funds were borrowed
> from the the USDA which is actually a profit center, so in reality this is
> making money for the government.
>
> You do not have to agree, but universal service has been the law of the
> land for about 75 years.
> Satellite is not an option for low latency phone and data.  You have to
> give them the same service as the other customers.
>
> So, as long as the USDA is loaning money and as long as the FCC uses part
> 32 and 36 to allow a return on the income and as long as the users of the
> PSTN pay their USF FEES, it will continue.  Again, no tax dollars are
> harmed in this process.
>
> *From:* Darin Steffl
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:45 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
> Chuck,
>
> I do NOT agree that any company should be required or use govt. funds to
> build out broadband to ONE house in 20 miles because it's a right or a
> utility. Unless the customer agrees to pay the majority of the cost.
>
> For homes like that which are so spread out that ROI is 50-100 years, they
> should be served with either Fixed Wireless or satellite internet. There is
> no sense in spending Govt. funding or even private dollars to build to 1
> house every 5 or 20 miles. Makes so sense and is a complete waste of
> everyone's $$$ when satellite is an option.
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Depends on what you call rural.  I have served areas with perhaps 1 house
> every 5 miles.  You are not going to find a wisp willing to build out in
> areas like that.  I plowed 20 miles of fiber for one single house.
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:34 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
>
> If WISPA does their job well, small business can more effectively service
> the rural markets than the telcos, for alot less money
>
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
> You think? It seems like the Republicans are in the pocket of big telco,
> so I wouldn't hold my breath.
>
> On Wednesday, February 1, 2017, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> i think that bank account may be closed very soon
>
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
> Lipstick on a pig.   The copper in still rotting in the ground and the
> only approved Centurylink fix appears to be the upgrade from black to
> orange trash bags.   Except when those are out of stock.
>
> Centurylink will be back to the FCC shortly crying about how the need more
> support money to fix the plant.  The only question is if they do it this
> year or next.
>
> Mark Radabaugh
> WISPA FCC Committee Chair
> fcc_ch...@wispa.org
> 419-261-5996 <(419)%20261-5996>
>
>
> On Feb 1, 2017, at 8:15 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> They couldn't before either, but they didn't give a shit.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Darin Steffl&quo

Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these

[Darin Steffl]

Chuck,

I do NOT agree that any company should be required or use govt. funds to
build out broadband to ONE house in 20 miles because it's a right or a
utility. Unless the customer agrees to pay the majority of the cost.

For homes like that which are so spread out that ROI is 50-100 years, they
should be served with either Fixed Wireless or satellite internet. There is
no sense in spending Govt. funding or even private dollars to build to 1
house every 5 or 20 miles. Makes so sense and is a complete waste of
everyone's $$$ when satellite is an option.

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Depends on what you call rural.  I have served areas with perhaps 1 house
> every 5 miles.  You are not going to find a wisp willing to build out in
> areas like that.  I plowed 20 miles of fiber for one single house.
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:34 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
>
> If WISPA does their job well, small business can more effectively service
> the rural markets than the telcos, for alot less money
>
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> You think? It seems like the Republicans are in the pocket of big telco,
>> so I wouldn't hold my breath.
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 1, 2017, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> i think that bank account may be closed very soon
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Lipstick on a pig.   The copper in still rotting in the ground and the
>>>> only approved Centurylink fix appears to be the upgrade from black to
>>>> orange trash bags.   Except when those are out of stock.
>>>>
>>>> Centurylink will be back to the FCC shortly crying about how the need
>>>> more support money to fix the plant.  The only question is if they do it
>>>> this year or next.
>>>>
>>>> Mark Radabaugh
>>>> WISPA FCC Committee Chair
>>>> fcc_ch...@wispa.org
>>>> 419-261-5996 <(419)%20261-5996>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 1, 2017, at 8:15 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> They couldn't before either, but they didn't give a shit.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>> --
>>>> *From: *"Darin Steffl" 
>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 31, 2017 11:49:50 PM
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
>>>>
>>>> These should all be fiber fed. Any new DSLAM's with CAF funding are
>>>> very likely fiber fed. They just can't support the bandwidth requirements
>>>> with only bonded T1's anymore.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:34 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> One would suspect a calix e7-2 or e7-20 (2Tbps backplane, 100Gbps link
>>>>> to each line card). I don't think you can even feed those by anything 
>>>>> short
>>>>> of at least a gig ethernet circuit. I never really tried on any of the
>>>>> E7-2s I've used in the past though :)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 31, 2017 11:29 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
>>>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Out of curiosity, do  you know how are they feeding these shelves?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know that in at least one case a couple of years ago, Qwest was
>>>&

Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these

[Darin Steffl]

These should all be fiber fed. Any new DSLAM's with CAF funding are very
likely fiber fed. They just can't support the bandwidth requirements with
only bonded T1's anymore.

On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:34 PM, Josh Reynolds 
wrote:

> One would suspect a calix e7-2 or e7-20 (2Tbps backplane, 100Gbps link to
> each line card). I don't think you can even feed those by anything short of
> at least a gig ethernet circuit. I never really tried on any of the E7-2s
> I've used in the past though :)
>
> On Jan 31, 2017 11:29 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> Out of curiosity, do  you know how are they feeding these shelves?
>>
>> I know that in at least one case a couple of years ago, Qwest was feeding
>> an entire neighborhood on I think 4 T1's.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Darin Steffl 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Exactly. Calix VDSL2 Remote DSLAM. These are the result of CAF funding
>>> from Govt. to provide minimum 10/1 Mbps speeds to the census blocks they
>>> took funding for.
>>>
>>> If Centurylink had crappy or no DSL in these areas before, expect them
>>> to be able to offer somewhat functional to excellent DSL speeds to
>>> customers in range of these remote DSLAMs. For really close customers, they
>>> may see up to 40/1 Mbps speeds.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Carl Peterson <
>>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As someone already said, its clearly and E3.
>>>> https://www.calix.com/systems/e-series/e3-e5-dsl.html
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:18 PM, George Skorup <
>>>> george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Regen would be my guess.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/31/2017 2:45 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> it got fiber ran into it for remote dslam to provide customers vdsl2
>>>>>> along that route.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: "Carl Peterson" 
>>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>>>> Date: 01/31/17 03:28 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Calix.  I'd guess G.Fast
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Josh Corson 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Does anyone know what these are? They are popping up on fairly rural
>>>>>>>> areas of our coverage areas and on the state highways.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Carl Peterson
>>>>
>>>> *PORT NETWORKS*
>>>>
>>>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>>>>
>>>> Baltimore, MD 21202
>>>>
>>>> (410) 637-3707
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> 507-634-WiFi
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>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian>
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>>
>>


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Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these

[Darin Steffl]

Exactly. Calix VDSL2 Remote DSLAM. These are the result of CAF funding from
Govt. to provide minimum 10/1 Mbps speeds to the census blocks they took
funding for.

If Centurylink had crappy or no DSL in these areas before, expect them to
be able to offer somewhat functional to excellent DSL speeds to customers
in range of these remote DSLAMs. For really close customers, they may see
up to 40/1 Mbps speeds.

On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> As someone already said, its clearly and E3.  https://www.calix.com/
> systems/e-series/e3-e5-dsl.html
>
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:18 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
>> Regen would be my guess.
>>
>> On 1/31/2017 2:45 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote:
>>
>>> it got fiber ran into it for remote dslam to provide customers vdsl2
>>> along that route.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>>
>>>> From: "Carl Peterson" 
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Date: 01/31/17 03:28 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
>>>>
>>>> Calix.  I'd guess G.Fast
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 31, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Josh Corson 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone know what these are? They are popping up on fairly rural
>>>>> areas of our coverage areas and on the state highways.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> Carl Peterson
>
> *PORT NETWORKS*
>
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>
> Baltimore, MD 21202
>
> (410) 637-3707
>



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Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness

[Darin Steffl]

I understand there's many more mobile devices but I don't understand how a
household doesn't at least have one computer. A cheap $200 chromebook even
would make life so much easier.

Sometimes you just need a keyboard and larger screen instead of a tablet or
smartphone. I love having a laptop and prefer it if I'm going to be on my
phone for more than 5 or 10 minutes.
On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 7:45 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Since I was asking for the impossible (a computer for troubleshooting),
> she put it off until Saturday when her parents will be visiting with one of
> those rare pieces of equipment.  Where we go next, who knows?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 7:30 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness
>
> What did you do with the customer with the TPlink that could stream
> netflix but not surf?
>
> Ken Hohhof wrote:
> >
> > Customer has a leased Mikrotik.  I don’t think they will be able to
> > handle managing a Mikrotik, and I don’t want us making changes
> > multiple times each day so their kids do their homework.  I told
> > customer to shop for a router that can do what they want, and we would
> > take back the leased router.
> >
> > I still think sticking their head in the room has some value.
> >
> > *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason Wilson
> > *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 5:32 PM
> > *To:* af@afmug.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] managed router craziness
> >
> > Look at router limits. They have a few options to do exactly what you
> > are looking for.
> >
> > J
> >
> > On Jan 26, 2017 3:10 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  > <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Customer called wanting to be able to call us each day and have us
> > disable Internet to each kid’s computer until they did their
> > homework, then call as each one finished their homework and have
> > us turn it back on.
> >
> > Seriously?
> >
> > What happened to sticking your head in the room and yelling “get
> > off the damn Internet and do your homework”?  Are parents too lazy
> > now to get up off the sofa and check on the kids?  When I was a
> > kid, a parent could yell from 50 paces and make you soil your
> > underwear.
> >
> > No virus found in this message.
> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/email-signature>
> > Version: 2016.0.7998 / Virus Database: 4749/13840 - Release Date:
> > 01/26/17
> >
>
>
>
> --
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[AFMUG] Tower locations for techs in the field

[Darin Steffl]

Hello all,

We continue to have trouble with new techs knowing all our tower locations
and would like a seamless way to add the tower locations onto their Google
Map app on their smartphones. We have created a Tower location layer that
they have to manually select in the app and it works sometimes but not
other times. It is nice when it works but a hassle for techs in the field
when they can't get it working properly. Sometimes having the Traffic or
Satellite layer on turns off our tower pins. Other times we can't get it
working at all.

Anyway, what are you all using to list your tower locations so they're easy
to find for your techs? Preferably when they click a pin, it can show a
little info like sectors, frequencies, etc. like Google does now when it
works.

Thanks

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Re: [AFMUG] Managed routers for customers

[Darin Steffl]

Harold,

Can you elaborate further on the gateway you're referring to? I thought you
guys only had access points, not home routers.


On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 12:17 AM Harold Bledsoe 
wrote:

> This.
>
> I think the main point is that when you are delivering an internet
> connection, if the last foot (e.g. bad WiFi) is bad, the average customer
> is going to assume the internet connection is bad.
>
> Managed WiFi gives you the visibility you need to know what is going on
> and a chance to fix it without a truck roll.
>
> If anyone wants to try out our new gateway I'm happy to provide one so you
> can see the difference.  Every one of my family members has one of our
> gateways just so I don't have to do another one of those painful phone
> support calls.  ;-)
>
> > There's about 100 other selling points including parental controls etc.
>
> Yep, and we see this as the next huge value-add for ISPs - add more
> services through applications delivered over your service.  Up-sell
> family-safe internet to your resi customers.  Up-sell shop/restaurant/gym
> customers to enhanced guest WiFi with business intelligence and social
> marketing.  Up-sell SMB customers with network level anti-virus and
> anti-malware.  Etc. etc.
>
> If you aren't adding another $20-30 of monthly recurring revenue on top of
> the internet service you provide, then you are leaving money on the table.
> I boldly say this based on the ISP customers we have that are doing just
> this and tearing it up!
>
> -Hal
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 10:48 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> They can call us anytime the want for help with our router (almost zero
> calls per month)  if it dies we replace it (1 per year)
>
> Selling point is they don't have to talk to [insert router brand here] who
> will charge them $150 for the first support call.  There's about 100 other
> selling points including parental controls etc.
>
> When they resist going for it we give them a free 1 month no obligation
> trial...they never want to give the router back.
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 4:15 PM Jon Langeler 
> wrote:
>
> What kind of support is included with managed routers? Selling points?
> What happens if the router dies over a weekend?
>
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> On Jan 17, 2017, at 11:02 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> 844E is less than $150
>
> we buy direct from calix
>
> we charge $99 "setup fee" and $12/mo for our "managed wifi" service. (we
> retain ownership of all hardware)
>
> excellent take rate so far  :-)
>
> -sean
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 10:31 PM, Josh Corson 
> wrote:
>
> What's the price on a 844E?
> Vendor?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 16, 2017, at 11:13 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> Yeah the cloud software is what makes calix awesome.
>
> The hardware is high end 802.11ac gear.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 9:58 PM David Kunat  wrote:
>
> Do you use their cloud management with the 844E?
>
> On Jan 16, 2017, at 7:37 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> Calix 844E
>
>
> - Sean
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 9:28 PM Josh Corson 
> wrote:
>
> What does everyone use/offer for managed customer routers?
>
>
>
> We use the Cambium R200P router currently, however we are looking for
>
> one with better wireless range. In general circumstances the router
>
> works fine, but we are looking for a good all in one, manageable
>
> router with excellent range - and maybe dual band (I know the R201P
>
> exists). The R200P seems pricey for simply single band 2.4ghz.
>
>
>
> Not too hung up on the ability to power the CPE through the router.
>
> Poe bricks are fine.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Josh
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
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>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] VoLTE

[Darin Steffl]

I've never had static on a volte call yet. Works very well in our area.

We did have a verizon contractor accidentally cut and remove a few of our
sectors on a shared grain leg site. They were removing their gear and going
to a nearby monopole. Anyway, contractor thought our small sectors were
verizon gear and started removal. I saw network alerts and called grain
elevator and they said verizon was there. Told them to get foreman to stop
ha.

We get there and cables to 3 sectors are cut and 2 sectors are lowered down
already. Me and a tech then spent 4 hours in freezing rain to get things
back to normal.

Sent an invoice to the contractor directly for about $6400 and they paid it
within days. I'm assuming they want to avoid an insurance claim or hit on
their record with verizon if we went above them.

So if a contractor messed with your stuff, be sure you send an invoice to
contractor. More than likely they will pay up.
On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 9:45 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> That was already happening, so not much of a threat.
>
> ;-)
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"George Skorup" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, January 9, 2017 9:42:56 PM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] VoLTE
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> No SFP 4 u!
>
>
>
>
>
> On 1/9/2017 9:40 PM, Mike Hammett
>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I'll take a slow wireless charger over
>
> turbo charging.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -
>
>
> Mike Hammett
>
>
> Intelligent
>
> Computing Solutions 
>
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
>
> Midwest
>
> Internet Exchange 
>
>
> 
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> The Brothers WISP 
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>
> --
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>
> *From: *"George
>
> Skorup"  
>
>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
>
>
> *Sent: *Monday, January 9, 2017 9:38:54 PM
>
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] VoLTE
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes! That's a feature I forgot. Turbo charging is freakin
>
> awesome. My
>
>
> phone was at 30% by the time I finally had everything set up.
>
> Plugged it
>
>
> in and it was at 100% in about 30-35 minutes.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 1/9/2017 9:22 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
>
> > Only reason I got the Nexus was because the battery on my
>
> "DROID RAZR
>
>
> > Maxx HD" decided to self-destruct one night while on the
>
> charger. It
>
>
> > didn't catch fire, but got very, very hot, and grew about
>
> 3X normal
>
>
> > thickness. The chassis was ruined, and I decided it was
>
> time to upgrade.
>
>
> >
>
>
> > The Nexus 6P I have now is really nice, and it gets
>
> monthly security
>
>
> > updates. Charging from almost empty to full takes less
>
> than a couple
>
>
> > hours, and the battery lasts (typically) 2 days, and
>
> occasionally 3
>
>
> > days. I also got it because the design was "almost" a
>
> year old, and so
>
>
> > I got it at about 1/2 the MSRP.
>
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
>
> > bp
>
>
> > 
>
>
> >
>
>
>
> > On 1/9/2017 7:04 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
>
> >> My "Droid Razr Maxx HD" from VZ is running 4.4.2
>
> KitKat which dates
>
>
> >> from mid 2014, I bought the phone in 2013.  The aging
>
> FW may explain
>
>
> >> why it acts up so much now. Phones are too expensive,
>
> I don't really
>
>
> >> want to buy a new one, but I'm probably stuck.
>
>
> >>
>
>
> >>
>
>
> >> -Original Message-
>
>
> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On
> Behalf Of
>
> Bill Prince
>
>
> >> Sent: Monday, January 9, 2017 8:50 PM
>
>
> >> To: af@afmug.com
>
>
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VoLTE
>
>
> >>
>
>
>
> >> I've got a pretty new phone (Nexus 6P) running 7.0
>
> Nougat, and am on
>
>
> >> Verizon. It should be updated to 7.1.1 by the end of
>
> the month. Where
>
>
> >> do you turn this on?
>
>
> >>
>
>
> >> BTW - if we have an internet connection (WiFi or
>
> cellular), calling
>
>
> >> on WhatsApp works pretty darn good too.
>
>
> >>
>
>
> >> bp
>
>
> >> 
>
>
> >>
>
>
> >> On 1/9/2017 2:14 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>
>
> >>> Got a new phone. Turned on Vz "HD Voi

Re: [AFMUG] VoLTE

[Darin Steffl]

Yes when talking to other Verizon users, it sounds excellent!! Can't wait
for them to finish interoperability testing with the other 3 carriers so HD
calls pass to all the major cell networks instead of just Verizon. They are
doing a little testing with AT&T but it's not launched yet.

I'm hoping they introduce some VoLTE flip phones soon as well for the old
folks like my Grandpa who refuses to go to a smartphone as it's too
difficult for him.

Verizon has been adding tons of new macros all over the US filling in
coverage gaps and adding capacity but they're all LTE-only so they're not
expanding 1X/3G coverage for the last 1-2 years. So there's places my
Grandma with her smartphone has great 4G and VoLTE coverage due to new
macros in dead spots being filled in but my Grandpa on his 1X basic flip
phone has no service. So they need to get some updated basic phones out so
people can take advantage of the new 4G-only coverage Verizon has been
adding over the last 1-2 years and moving forward.

I've seen Verizon build at least 12 new macro sites in the last year and at
least 8 of them are in current dead or poor coverage locations. All 4G-only
sites with one power/fiber hybrid cable going to the top and then RRU's on
top. It's amazing how clean these new sites look with only one cable going
up instead of 12-16 thick cables as in the past.

For new builds in 2016, I've also seen them stop using the big shelters and
moving to all outdoor cabinets with a generator on top of a diesel tank.
They must save $50k per site almost to get rid of the big shelters they
used to always use.

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 4:14 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> Got a new phone. Turned on Vz "HD Voice" calling. First experience with it
> today. Totally awesome, sounds great.
>



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Re: [AFMUG] 450m-epmp Frankenstein

[Darin Steffl]

Doing this to save on tower rent?
On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 12:54 PM Gino Villarini  wrote:

>
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
> Ill try that too
>
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>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Af  on behalf of Bill Prince <
> part15...@gmail.com>
>
>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
>
> Date: Thursday, December 22, 2016 at 2:06 PM
>
>
>
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m-epmp Frankenstein
>
>
>
>
> My thought is if you need to replace either unit, you've essentially
> "married" them together; complicating something that should be simple.
>
>
> I would rather devise a pair of pipe mounts that are so close together
> that the units will still look like one unit.
>
>
> Probably do it with a couple of M-tow-Ps that you can adjust the spacing
> on.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
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> *Gino Villarini*
>
>
>
>
>
> President
>
>
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 12/22/2016 9:59 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
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> I want it to look as 1 antenna systemпїЅ
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> From: Af  on behalf of Bill Prince <
> part15...@gmail.com>
>
>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
>
> Date: Thursday, December 22, 2016 at 12:51 PM
>
>
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m-epmp Frankenstein
>
>
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> Wouldn't it be simpler in the long run to just mount them next to each
> other?
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> bp
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> *Gino Villarini*
>
>
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> President
>
>
>
>
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>
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>
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>
>
> On 12/22/2016 8:40 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>
>
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> [image: Image]
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> Get
>
> Outlook for iOS 
>
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> *Gino Villarini*
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> President
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> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
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