Re: [AFMUG] SLAs\Escalation
All pagerduty does is alerts you when your existing monitoring program needs to send an alert, albeit with much more sophistication. It can't monitor anything it's simply a notification service. On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 7:17 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Could you give us a two or three sentence exec overview of what PagerDuty does? It appears to monitor your systems for you and alert you? What is the cost? *From:* Ryan Goldberg via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, January 01, 2015 7:49 PM *To:* mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SLAs\Escalation Take a look at PagerDuty It only does one thing, but it does it quite well Ryan On Jan 1, 2015, at 7:49 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: What sort of SLAs do you have with your transport and transit providers? If you have SLAs with any of your customers, how did you come about them? Could you elaborate on any response\repair provisions? How are you guys handling escalation for critical infrastructure or SLA customers? Right now my phone is on vibrate and I check it when convenient. I can't be looking at my phone every time a sales guy calls or I get tagged in a picture on FaceBook. Checking on a regular basis, though, I do get back to those things. I'd like to find a way to be alerted via the most obnoxious method when critical infrastructure or SLA customers are down. Maybe there's an app I can use to override system volume settings to just be annoying when a certain number calls, text arrives, etc.? Thanks. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
[AFMUG] Dc electric load ? Chuck ?
Anyone know of a inexpensive do it yourself way to make a dc constant current electric load for testing power supplies, lithium batteries , etc ? Looking for something maybe 2kw+ and the cheapest premade thing I can find is $3500. Maybe I'll just use a carbon pile load but that will be much less accurate.
Re: [AFMUG] Someone automated their Speed test
It's ookla! they are making sure that your server doesn't suck On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 7:00 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I take it this is someone out on the Internet, not one of your customers? -Original Message- From: Nate Burke via Af Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 4:27 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Someone automated their Speed test Been trying to track down a 20 second 400mb spike in outbound traffic that has been happening every 10 minutes all day. Finally tracked it down to my Speedtest.net server. Someone automated pulling the test files via HTTP. It shows up in my server logs, but not in the speedtest.net reports. They simultaneously pull 8 copies of all 10 test .jpg files. I've blocked their IP Address, automating it like that just seems a little rude. Just wanted to give anyone else running a speedtest.net server a heads up. Nate
[AFMUG] Epmp recovery?
I have a SM that failed upgrade, is it possible to recover? TJ
Re: [AFMUG] Epmp recovery?
Seriously? How can that be? On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 7:57 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Nope, RMA :( Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 7, 2014 10:07 PM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I have a SM that failed upgrade, is it possible to recover? TJ
Re: [AFMUG] SAF Hybrid interface question
Did you use cat5 for your power cable? On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 8:50 AM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Actually, Josh, we don’t have their POE. Had to think about that. We run power separately and just had a fiber transceiver at the router area *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman via Af *Sent:* Monday, December 01, 2014 11:23 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SAF Hybrid interface question Do you have their fancy POEs? I'm not sure if it does typical POE as the unit is 35 watts+ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We have an SAF Lumina with the Hybrid Interface on it. Optical and Electrcial. Our fiber going to the radio got eaten by a big bird. Not THE Big Bird, but A big bird J Anyway, can we actually use the EL (copper) interface to pass data? I have emailed SAF this AM and not gotten an answer yet Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] OT: RC Cars
I just picked up a Savage X 4.6 Nitro, pretty sweet truck man. Basically indestructible and has more power than you would ever want. I fly planes and helicopters too and swear by electric but for cars Nitro is where it's at.. On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 5:27 PM, Erich Kaiser via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I would go to the local hobby store, typically those guys know a lot about this stuff, at least that is how it used to be 20 years ago. When I was into this stuff, the ultimate was having a gas powered RC truck/car, but I never had one :( HobbyTown USA 2061A Lincoln Highway St. Charles, IL 60174 https://www.google.com/maps/dir/''/hobby+town+st+charles+il/@41.8816195,-88.3344586,13z/data=!4m8!4m7!1m0!1m5!1m1!1s0x880f026f561d981b:0xc63b9d2e750c7157!2m2!1d-88.338063!2d41.899515 On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: For a long time I've wanted an RC car. I was at the beach over the weekend, and saw a guy running one through the sand and jumping it around and it looked really fun. I think I'm finally in a position in life where I can allow myself to get one. I'm thinking I may want one step above one you can buy at a big-box, but I also don't plan on making it into a hobby. Any pointers for a guy who just wants to run a car around sometimes? Some things I think I want, unless I'm told I'm wrong. 4wd Ability to cross sand/mud/shallow water (does this mean waterproof?) Won't break if it flips/crashes. 100 yard range. Rechargeable battery Anything specific to look for? Anything to stay away from? I'm hoping to keep this little endeavor around $200, that way I don't have to go through all the requisition forms and justification analysis with the wife. Nate
Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today
http://www.fumotousa.com/about-fumoto-valves.php On Nov 29, 2014 5:01 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: You do the plug first... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 29, 2014 7:52 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: So on the Subaru engine the oil filter sticks straight up. Does that make it incredibly easy to change or incredibly messy? *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2014 5:48 PM *To:* af af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today About the only place I'll have change the oil anymore is when I take the car in for the major service interval at the dealer. They carry the oil I use and I figure a genuine Subaru oil filter isn't any worse than the M1-108's I use normally. Other than that, it gets changed at home anymore. I've discovered that throwing a pan under the car and pulling the oil/plug filter takes so little time that it's actually faster for me to do it. I generally will do it before a trip out of town and will pull the oil filter/plug and then clean/vaccum the car out while the oil is draining. Once I'm done vaccumming, I put everything back together and refill the car with an appropriate amount of oil. Takes me less time than waiting at an instant lube place, and then I know what oil/filter is actually in/on the engine. Sadly, I haven't found anything fun drawn on my car's oil filter when it comes from the dealer. On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We bring Mobil 1 oil filters in when we have the local oil change place change the oil. Last oil change, neither my car or the work van had them on their when I looked about 3000 miles after the change. After some heated discussions concerning the theft of my oil filters and shenanigans that might require a review of whether they are really using Mobil1 1 oil, they changed both vehicles while I watched them open new bottles of oil in front of me. Fortunately this was the first time I used them, and the last time. Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via Af *Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2014 12:27 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT I must be bored today A local guy went out to change his oil today. Found a penis drawn on his oil filter. That filter had been installed by Jiffy Lube. Same company that billed us for an oil change a few years ago (fleet account) for a car that my business partner’s step daughter crashed and totaled a year before.
Re: [AFMUG] PTP400 to PTP450 comparison?
You can't swap PTP400 to 450 and keep the same antenna? PTP 400 is integrated or N-connector and a 450 is a SM style like the BH10/BH20?? On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Joe via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Has anyone played with direct comparisons of swapping a PTP400 out directly for the PTP450, keeping existing antennas in place? Anything on noise floor / power level / throughput / distance on the PTP400 compared to the Link Planner, and then changed out to the PTP450 with same measurements? The first person to send me *excellent* qualified / quantified data I’ll paypal you $100 so we don’t have to do all that work ourselves in the cold. Has to be complete factual… no guess work, we have armchair engineers too.
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP power limits
20mhz? On Nov 14, 2014 8:12 AM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Note these 20 second tests were done on an internally timed AP on a KP sector with a downlink of -40 and uplink -60 (yay ATP) 2.3 release Downlink 85.228 Mbps Uplink 21.986 Mbps Aggregate 107.214 Mbps ^ This never deviated more than 1 Mbps (less than 1%!) 2.3.1rc3 Downlink 81.259 Mbps Uplink 19.326 Mbps Aggregate 100.585 Mbps Downlink 83.977 Mbps Uplink 19.22 Mbps Aggregate 103.197 Mbps Downlink 83.161 Mbps Uplink 19.34 Mbps Aggregate 102.501 Mbps Definitely deploying 2.3 both due to more/stable bandwidth and the fact it is a release =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 10:48 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Latest release* 2.3 I'll slap on 2.3.1 when I get some downtime at the office tomorrow. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 9:15 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: All the way to 2.3.1? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, November 13, 2014 8:11:57 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ePMP power limits Latest firmware just got me 110 megs aggregate on a wireless test. That's not bad in 20 MHz MIMO especially when it has fixed scheduling. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 13, 2014 8:37 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I prefer ePMP over 450 as I can afford to buy multiple of them and use sectors instead of omnis. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Kurt Fankhauser via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, November 13, 2014 7:04:47 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ePMP power limits this is why i prefer 450 over epmp on omnis, cant hit legal eirp with the omni Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Nov 13, 2014, at 7:21 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Neat pop up!!! This is a nonsync integrated unit. 19:00:28 The Transmitter Output Power limitations 5.x GHz bands are: For ETSI and FCC regions: 5.1-5.2 GHz: 18 dBm 5.47-5.725 GHz: 13-16 dBm 5.725-5.88 GHz: 23 dBm For other regions: 5.1-5.47 GHz: 27 dBm 5.47-5.88 GHz: 30 dBm Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] WARNING: Steamy Subject Matter
Fiber, Fiber, Fiber! More Fiber! On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Jason Petrillo via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Chuck… You know better than to provoke me… J *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via Af *Sent:* Thursday, November 13, 2014 11:06 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WARNING: Steamy Subject Matter I wanna know how my web pages can get as many views as Kim Kardashian’s butt. *From:* Jason Petrillo via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, November 13, 2014 11:28 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] WARNING: Steamy Subject Matter So that is what it takes to get your attention… As has been mentioned several times in the recent past we are working on the Animal Farm 9 agenda. We could really use some input from you the participants in this process. Currently I am counting on the usual suspect to show their wares in a similar fashion to what they have done in the past. Beyond that I would ask what would you like to learn more about? Panel discussions? How to meet girls? How to pick the perfect emoticon to best capture mood and intonation? I’m open to anything and would be happy to chase down industry experts to enlighten us all. Thoughts? If you would rather not respond to the group with your suggestions please feel free to contact me at ja...@cni.net or 360.442.4414. Thanks, Jason Petrillo Last Mile Gear
Re: [AFMUG] New site DC power help
Get a matching jumper and connect just like u would with a mikrotik in a box. It's probably a din connector. On Nov 10, 2014 9:34 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Do you have a picture of this “fat N” connector? You’re sure this is coax and not flexible waveguide, right? Or air cable? *From:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2014 10:47 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New site DC power help Any ideas how to go from the fat N connector to a rectifier? =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Paul Conlin via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Neutral is AC’s roughly equivalent to DC’s negative. FWIW I’d run DC up the coax to keep more of the equipment more accessible at the bottom. You have more than one coax so you can run another voltage on another one, if needed. PC Blaze Broadband *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman via Af *Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2014 11:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New site DC power help Well I was thinking... AC - battery charger - 24v batteries - coax up the building coax - 24v regulator - PacketFlux What is the neutral bar? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Why DC? Why not just tie the center conductor to a circuit breaker and make sure the shield is tied to the neutral bar. Then you have all kinds of options up there. *From:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2014 9:20 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] New site DC power help I am getting onto a new site that is a building. The owner has given me free permission to use anything I want that Sprint left. That's the nice building as well as 6 heavy duty 1 thick coax runs from the base to the top of the tower. What I would like to do is run DC on one of these. They have connectors that look twice as big as N connectors. How can I go from this connector to a DC power supply? What about at the top from the coax to a regulator? Am I correct in assuming the center pin would be hot and the outside/threading be neutral? Would 24vdc be OK for this? Or would 48vdc be better? Thanks in advance for any help! I'd like to avoid running 10 feet of wire and soldering if at all possible. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] Type N to banana binding post adapter
Get a n male to whatever u have jumper, put a n female bulkhead on your box and that adapter on the inside , bingo! On Nov 10, 2014 9:27 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://catalog.e-z-hook.com/item/coaxial-connectors-2/adapters-between-series/9417 *From:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, November 10, 2014 9:48 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords Yay for resources and shared knowledge! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Didn't know that existed before I made this so... yeah, that's probably a better option. I concede defeat. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:36:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords POE-XOVER-S is the model Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I think this is cheaperŠ and pre made http://tyconpower.com/products/files/TP_Passive_POE_Inserter-Splitters_Spec %20Sheet.pdf Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 11/10/14, 12:22 PM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: If anyone is interested.. https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/p46I8DEi Mouser part number for connector on the board: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/TE-Connectivity/5557560-1/?qs=%2fha2py FaduiXvX63LqO3ZOdCn3EU%252bBkkxUarbvn08Pmv6T%2fiL31qng%3d%3d -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107
Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords
A new poe can't be much more??? Why all the crap in the middle? On Nov 10, 2014 9:21 AM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Bill of materials attached if you are interested in making you own. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Tyler Treat via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 11:07:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords Now this could be handy ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:55 AM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: How about a POE polarity tester key fob? https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/Fw78Dogd -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:48:23 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords Yay for resources and shared knowledge! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Didn't know that existed before I made this so... yeah, that's probably a better option. I concede defeat. -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107 - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:36:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Crossover baords POE-XOVER-S is the model Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I think this is cheaperŠ and pre made http://tyconpower.com/products/files/TP_Passive_POE_Inserter-Splitters_Spec %20Sheet.pdf Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 11/10/14, 12:22 PM, Christopher Tyler via Af af@afmug.com wrote: If anyone is interested.. https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/p46I8DEi Mouser part number for connector on the board: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/TE-Connectivity/5557560-1/?qs=%2fha2py FaduiXvX63LqO3ZOdCn3EU%252bBkkxUarbvn08Pmv6T%2fiL31qng%3d%3d -- Christopher Tyler MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE Total Highspeed Internet Services 417.851.1107
Re: [AFMUG] Man I love 10Gbps connections!
how much was the fiber lease? On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 3:38 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: How much bw can you pull via the ccrs ? Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Nov 10, 2014, at 7:33 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Got a couple of cloudcore routers running over a 14 mile single strand fiber link using BIDI SFP+ connectors.
[AFMUG] Wifi for large houses
What are you guys doing to cover large homes with good wifi coverage? Any options besides multiple routers with multiple ssid's? Does rukus or someone make something with true roaming?
Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses
Can't stand unifi, have them came up with a way to do it without a controller? What do you do if the customer doesn't have a windows machine? Install a unifi server ? On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: UBNT UniFi...one SSID On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 12:19 PM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote: What are you guys doing to cover large homes with good wifi coverage? Any options besides multiple routers with multiple ssid's? Does rukus or someone make something with true roaming?
Re: [AFMUG] SNMP auto discovery
So basically you build a set of templates and somehow cacti can determine which template is for which device during the auto discovery process ? On Nov 3, 2014 5:17 AM, Eric Muehleisen via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Cacti with discovery plugin works great. You set it to scan IP's or subnets and based on their template profile it will automatically place the device on the tree. Works very well. It's all automatic. No need to input manually. On Sunday, November 2, 2014, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote: For the guys who you linux based monitoring (Cacti, Zabbix, etc) do you have something setup where it can auto discover all new equipment on the network and know all of the correct OID's for each type of radio? Or is every single customer added manually?? -- Sent via mobile
[AFMUG] SNMP auto discovery
For the guys who you linux based monitoring (Cacti, Zabbix, etc) do you have something setup where it can auto discover all new equipment on the network and know all of the correct OID's for each type of radio? Or is every single customer added manually??
Re: [AFMUG] first approved licensed link mounting
The 44510 comes with a 10ft mast? On Oct 31, 2014 11:26 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: so we ordered two BRM44510 Nobody had 10' masts in stock So we just ordered some 4 water pipe luckily my buddy told me these masts have fins and a plate welded to them, so we cancelled the pipe but we need to now find the masts again The Rohn PN is KY2065 according to the catalog, but the vendors we have checked with dont have them on hand anybody know of a non rapist vendor that would stock these? we are down to 53 days of a 60 day deadline On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 5:46 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: What I'm saying is that with a little creativity, you can replicate many open frame non-penetrating type mounts with unistrut. Unistrut is like an adult's version of an erector set. bp On 10/30/2014 11:34 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote: I can put the pipe on the opposing side so the antenna sits above the ballast. Are you saying maybe build a unistrut arm to affix the stabilizer strut to on a tripod mount? On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Not in my opinion. Having the mast in the center gives it the same stability from all win directions. If a big wind is coming from behind this might be more tippy. Besides, you only need to use one mast. You can also build almost anything you want out of unistrut. bp On 10/30/2014 11:10 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote: http://sitepro1.com/resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/RTW-7%20(Assembly).pdf http://sitepro1.com/resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/RTW-7%20%28Assembly%29.pdf Would this be a better solution than a single vertical so I have something to affix the strut to? On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:06 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Our wall mounting option for the 4' antenna is limited to the 25g we ran up the side, the antenna will actually be 75 feet up the wall from the first platform I dont think unless we installed a standing platform we would be able to adjust the antenna. I think Im calculating right, its going to take 500lbs ballast if I used a PRM4, but the lead time on those exceeds our timeline so Im looking at the sitepro tripods. We are kind of limited to the non penetrating solution because with that we dont have to have a mother may I in place A penetrating mount we will, and if a board member says structural analysis we are shut down on time. So we are limited to horizontal surface mounts We can get away with small concrete anchors, but we are talking 3/8 x 3 and I just dont see that that would be safe. Where would I look to find the penetrating mount anchoring requirements, I see ballast charts all over, but no anchoring specs. On another note, Ive never dealt with 4' antennas before, apparently this has a strut. How do I attach a strut if I only have the single vertical mast? On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 1:00 PM, CARL PETERSON via Af af@afmug.com wrote: At the risk of getting my testicals chopped off, I’d recommend wall mounting if you can. SBWM-412 from Sitepro is $150 and the HWK58 for mounting is ~$30. Throw in 6’ 0f 4-1/2” pipe for $160 and your looking at a solid mount for $340 that takes less time to install then it would take to lug the concrete up to secure a non-pen with a 4-1/2” pipe on it. If you need to use a non-pen, Id use: http://sitepro1.com/resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/TRPD-HD%20(Assembly).pdf http://sitepro1.com/resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/TRPD-HD%20%28Assembly%29.pdf with a 4-1/2” pipe. Carl Peterson *PORT NETWORKS* 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 %28410%29%20637-3707 On Oct 29, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Daniel White via Af af@afmug.com wrote: That has got to be one of the best e-mails I have read in a long time :-) Commscope makes a nice option for a large non-pen mast – but I’d steer away from anything with less than a 4” OD mast for a 4ft antenna. Rohn makes a similar one, and Baird has a few options. image001.jpg *Daniel White* | Managing Director *SAF North America LLC* *Cell:* (303) 746-3590 *Skype:* danieldwhite *E-mail:* daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, October 29, 2014 12:25 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] first approved licensed link mounting I have two goals, mounting the bastard and grounding the bastard If you knew the volume of fecal matter I have had to ea tot get this achieved you would understand my very short fuse about dealing with dickheads like me that I have. I need to first mount this thing. Its likely to be a SAF link, and thats that. Im going to take a moment to say that regardless of what this final project ends up being, if you want one hell of a sales guy to work with, Jerrod from Moonblink(Jarrod Washington [
Re: [AFMUG] Mailing list is messed up
I'm having the same problem try resubscribing that fixed it for me On Oct 31, 2014 2:33 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I was able to pull your e-mail address from the archives on the web site. It wasn't in the headers anywhere. The list has been just as chatty as usual. Check SPAM folder, mail server rejects, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Gabriel Pike via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, October 31, 2014 12:29:53 PM *Subject: *[AFMUG] Mailing list is messed up Hi, I am not sure what is going on but I have not received any email from this list in over a month. The last message I received was on 9/20. Does anyone have an idea of what is going on or when/ if it will be fixed? Thanks, Gabriel Pike
Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123
. On Oct 29, 2014 5:16 PM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123
Test 1211pm On Oct 29, 2014 2:07 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:
Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123
Test 1213 On Oct 30, 2014 12:11 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: Test 1211pm On Oct 29, 2014 2:07 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:
Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123
Yes, I think my email had some bounces and it automatically unsubscribed me, that's all I can come up with On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote: All good TJ ? *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:13 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123 Test 1213 On Oct 30, 2014 12:11 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: Test 1211pm On Oct 29, 2014 2:07 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote:
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently
Those are real radios that Matts referring too, not little 5 mile toys On Oct 29, 2014 10:44 AM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: my network runs at the speed of light 186,282 miles per second ;-) On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 6:34 AM, Daniel White via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Depends – is speed measured by latency or capacity **ducks** [image: cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370] *Daniel White* | Managing Director *SAF North America LLC* *Cell:* (303) 746-3590 *Skype:* danieldwhite *E-mail:* daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, October 29, 2014 12:42 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently What's the top 3 fastest single radio's available right now? I'm assuming it will be 80mhz and 2048qam+? On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Or thereabouts. Our newest link was engineered for -43. No smoke. bp On 10/28/2014 4:37 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: What do ya engineer it for? Most of the licensed stuff I've dealt with has been engineered to be hotter than -40. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, October 28, 2014 5:22:08 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently yeah, 2048QAM, but what is your fade margin from the threshold required to run at 2048QAM vs. when it will step down to 256QAM and no longer be a 1 Gbps radio? If I recall right an IP20C requires an RSSI of something like -57.5 to operate at 2048QAM and will become a 256QAM radio at -63 or thereabouts. Not much fade margin. Not something you can reliably predict as a five nines true 1Gbps link pretending to be a fiber patch cable between two routers. Unless you're running it at sub-4km distances with 60cm size antennas and the normal RSL is -35.0 On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 5:40 AM, Caleb Knauer via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We just put up a Ceragon IP20c link last week, 3.5 miles, one 60Mhz frequency pair, 1030Mbps full duplex using 2048QAM, uses two cores (same frequency) in a single FODU chasis and a combiner on the antenna. Looks like any other single FODU install, very clean. Not inexpensive however. On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:02 AM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Cambium PTP820c Exalt ExtremeAir Both will give you 1gig in a single radio. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/27/2014 03:25 PM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote: Has anyone shopped full Gig licensed links lately, which is the best bargain? *Peter Kranz *Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] Riddle me this Batman?
Cambridge VectaStar! On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 7:07 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: FTTA? I hate that crap, let's call it what it is - wireless, or more generically, high speed. Am I the only person who wants to smack this marketing department in the mouth? On Friday, October 24, 2014, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: the attached PDF is from summer 2011. 42 GHz 30 or 60 degree sector antenna. never found much traction in the market. the sectors in your photo look like they are hollow and feed directly onto a relatively narrow diameter waveguide. higher-res photo? On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: ehh... I can't find anything on their site that looks like that. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/24/2014 01:37 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af wrote: Sort of looks like 38 GHz PtMP sector antennas for something such as http://www.bluwan.com/ On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote: What are these? Vivint? Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Extending Garage Door Remote
Use myq phone application On Oct 28, 2014 7:18 AM, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I have a double steel garage door with Alumnium siding on the house. The Remote's have always been finicky since the opener/door was installed, but now I changed the lights in the Opener to LED Bulbs, and it's worse. I have to be right under the opener to use the remote when the bulbs are lit (when they're off, it seems to work the same as it always has). Seems that I may need to move/increase gain on the antenna. Some things I found online talk about running a RG59 cable to the outside, but then just soldering the original antenna wire on the end of it and just letting it hang outside. Seems that there should be a better way. Any suggestions? Nate
Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 Focus ring? Attachment method?
Is the focus ring a 450 only product? Epmp? On Oct 28, 2014 7:50 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: The old ones (with the screw in the back) needed some double-stick tape to hold them in place. We found they wanted to twist or ride up like cheap undershorts. The new ones (without the screw) seem to fit pretty snuggly. We still put some double stick (outdoor flavor) under the tab at the top. The ones we've re-visited seem to be staying on. bp On 10/28/2014 3:35 PM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote: Are you supposed to add some kind of adhesive to keep the focus ring from blowing off? *-Peter*
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently
What's the top 3 fastest single radio's available right now? I'm assuming it will be 80mhz and 2048qam+? On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Or thereabouts. Our newest link was engineered for -43. No smoke. bp On 10/28/2014 4:37 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: What do ya engineer it for? Most of the licensed stuff I've dealt with has been engineered to be hotter than -40. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, October 28, 2014 5:22:08 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently yeah, 2048QAM, but what is your fade margin from the threshold required to run at 2048QAM vs. when it will step down to 256QAM and no longer be a 1 Gbps radio? If I recall right an IP20C requires an RSSI of something like -57.5 to operate at 2048QAM and will become a 256QAM radio at -63 or thereabouts. Not much fade margin. Not something you can reliably predict as a five nines true 1Gbps link pretending to be a fiber patch cable between two routers. Unless you're running it at sub-4km distances with 60cm size antennas and the normal RSL is -35.0 On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 5:40 AM, Caleb Knauer via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We just put up a Ceragon IP20c link last week, 3.5 miles, one 60Mhz frequency pair, 1030Mbps full duplex using 2048QAM, uses two cores (same frequency) in a single FODU chasis and a combiner on the antenna. Looks like any other single FODU install, very clean. Not inexpensive however. On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:02 AM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Cambium PTP820c Exalt ExtremeAir Both will give you 1gig in a single radio. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/27/2014 03:25 PM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote: Has anyone shopped full Gig licensed links lately, which is the best bargain? *Peter Kranz *Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] Mounts for trylon supertitan?
30 degrees sector uptilt and only loose 1.2db??? You must be talking about mounting a dish off tilt and then turning it 90 degrees which ends up with some scewed polarity? On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I knew I should of included an *asterisk in my comment :) Thx Chuck!! On Monday, October 27, 2014, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: 10 log (cos (tilt angle)^2) 10 degrees= .1 dB 20 degrees = .5 dB 30 degrees= 1.2 dB You can go off polarization up to 20 degrees easy without losing much gain. However, in a dual pol situation, you do lose lots of your cross pol rejection. That falls off much much more rapidly than gain does. *From:* Sean Heskett via Af *Sent:* Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:30 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mounts for trylon supertitan? Chuck McCown has shown at animal farm using high quality test equipment that tower leg tilt has vertually zero effect unless you are at a 45* angle. With those mounts you can fit 6 x 2' sectors or really any combo of 2' antennas etc. We turned the ubolt bracket backwards and force it to settle into the angle iron. There are angle iron to pipe mounts out there if you really want to go that far. The mounts are EXTREMELY strong and galvanized. If the mount was to break you'd have much bigger problems on your hands (like a tornado blew down the tower) We love them and the WISPA membership at wispapalooza voted and gave wbmfg the product of the year award for the mounts. On Sunday, October 26, 2014, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Will that bolt to angle iron? What about the taper of the tower will the mount compensate or the sectors have enough adjustment to have any downtilt ? You think two of those can support 8 sectors and 4x 2ft or 3ft dishes ? On Oct 26, 2014 4:23 PM, Sean Heskett via Af javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: Wbmfg.com M-TOW-3P-48 On Sunday, October 26, 2014, TJ Trout via Af javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: I'm looking at leasing a aprox 96ft trylon supertitan (at least that's what I think it is) and I need to be able to mount 3-4 sectors and 1-2 backhauls with the ability down the road for 6-8 sectors and 2-4 backhauls, I've browsed through the trylon accessories catalog but nothing really jumps out at me, can someone point me in the right direction as to what I might need to make this happen? Can I make something myself? Or what part numbers I might need?
Re: [AFMUG] Mounts for trylon supertitan?
I think I would just prefer mounts that are level. seems much easier. On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Rotation along the propagation axis. *From:* TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Monday, October 27, 2014 3:39 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mounts for trylon supertitan? 30 degrees sector uptilt and only loose 1.2db??? You must be talking about mounting a dish off tilt and then turning it 90 degrees which ends up with some scewed polarity? On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I knew I should of included an *asterisk in my comment :) Thx Chuck!! On Monday, October 27, 2014, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: 10 log (cos (tilt angle)^2) 10 degrees= .1 dB 20 degrees = .5 dB 30 degrees= 1.2 dB You can go off polarization up to 20 degrees easy without losing much gain. However, in a dual pol situation, you do lose lots of your cross pol rejection. That falls off much much more rapidly than gain does. *From:* Sean Heskett via Af *Sent:* Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:30 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mounts for trylon supertitan? Chuck McCown has shown at animal farm using high quality test equipment that tower leg tilt has vertually zero effect unless you are at a 45* angle. With those mounts you can fit 6 x 2' sectors or really any combo of 2' antennas etc. We turned the ubolt bracket backwards and force it to settle into the angle iron. There are angle iron to pipe mounts out there if you really want to go that far. The mounts are EXTREMELY strong and galvanized. If the mount was to break you'd have much bigger problems on your hands (like a tornado blew down the tower) We love them and the WISPA membership at wispapalooza voted and gave wbmfg the product of the year award for the mounts. On Sunday, October 26, 2014, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Will that bolt to angle iron? What about the taper of the tower will the mount compensate or the sectors have enough adjustment to have any downtilt ? You think two of those can support 8 sectors and 4x 2ft or 3ft dishes ? On Oct 26, 2014 4:23 PM, Sean Heskett via Af javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: Wbmfg.com M-TOW-3P-48 On Sunday, October 26, 2014, TJ Trout via Af javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: I'm looking at leasing a aprox 96ft trylon supertitan (at least that's what I think it is) and I need to be able to mount 3-4 sectors and 1-2 backhauls with the ability down the road for 6-8 sectors and 2-4 backhauls, I've browsed through the trylon accessories catalog but nothing really jumps out at me, can someone point me in the right direction as to what I might need to make this happen? Can I make something myself? Or what part numbers I might need?
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently
will e-band work @ 2.6 miles with 2ft antennas and full tx power? (i.e. not siklu?)? On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 5:16 PM, Peter Kranz via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Distance is 2.6 miles.. Has anyone shopped full Gig licensed links lately, which is the best bargain? *Peter Kranz*Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com
[AFMUG] Colocation
Has anyone made a successful try at offering colocation and would like to point out some details on Do's and don't's? Seems like a great way to build additional revenue off of completely unused upstream bandwidth ? Is it worth the hassle and DDoS?
[AFMUG] Mounts for trylon supertitan?
I'm looking at leasing a aprox 96ft trylon supertitan (at least that's what I think it is) and I need to be able to mount 3-4 sectors and 1-2 backhauls with the ability down the road for 6-8 sectors and 2-4 backhauls, I've browsed through the trylon accessories catalog but nothing really jumps out at me, can someone point me in the right direction as to what I might need to make this happen? Can I make something myself? Or what part numbers I might need?
Re: [AFMUG] Mounts for trylon supertitan?
Will that bolt to angle iron? What about the taper of the tower will the mount compensate or the sectors have enough adjustment to have any downtilt ? You think two of those can support 8 sectors and 4x 2ft or 3ft dishes ? On Oct 26, 2014 4:23 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Wbmfg.com M-TOW-3P-48 On Sunday, October 26, 2014, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'm looking at leasing a aprox 96ft trylon supertitan (at least that's what I think it is) and I need to be able to mount 3-4 sectors and 1-2 backhauls with the ability down the road for 6-8 sectors and 2-4 backhauls, I've browsed through the trylon accessories catalog but nothing really jumps out at me, can someone point me in the right direction as to what I might need to make this happen? Can I make something myself? Or what part numbers I might need?
Re: [AFMUG] Help ptp650 stuck at 5x5
Can you rob a bank, just to see what it feels like? On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 6:57 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: anybody? testing is still not legal, right? On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 7:39 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Given my recent tyrade about obeying the regulations I know I could have changed what the antenna size is in the GUI and the 5.2 band would have given me more output power to test this link. I knwo it boils down to me being a dick about it, that I dont question. But when it comes down to it, am I correct that we cant even test outside our power restrictions? I know the FCC isnt driving around in vans looking for people overpowering a radio for 20 minutes, its not about getting caught, its about principle. Are we allowed to do temporary things like that for testing purposes? I assume that as a letter of law we would have to have prior approval from the FCC, would we not? (This boils down to CYA over the ass chewing im pretty sure is on the way monday for not doing whatever it takes to get a critical link to full capacity, which I did last year when I specced out and sourced a licensed solution for the path) On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 5:56 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: my cambium guy said there wouldnt be an answer right now, so im packing this up and saying fuck all this noise, im goin drinkin On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 5:39 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I would call support at this point. +1-888-863-5250 Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/24/2014 03:36 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: yes I did the spectrum is shit, I knew this going into it I unlocket the full throughput eval now its going above 5 but by 5x5 I mean 5.00 x 5.00 with 2:1 1:1 1:2, on every channel, on every channel size not 4.96 x 5.01 flat out 5.00 x 5.00 I have never seen a ptp stay at a single number like that While we were peaking it out it was running up where it was expected aggregate around 19 or something this didnt start until I switched bands I went to 5.4 it was where it was expected for a 10.3 mile link I went to 5.2 when I went here I switched to the biggest channel, thats when it started 5.00 x 5.00 Switched back to 5.8 had to move the transmit power back to 27 from -4 5.00 x 5.00, no matter the channel size Im guessing this is a bug, what im wondering is if it corrupted the generic lite key or something like that when its in the trial it ignores the key anybody know what happens if theres no good key? On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Did you Disarm the Installation Agent? Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net mailto:m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 tel:530.272.4000 On 10/24/2014 02:54 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: I'm running out of daylight. Has anybody come across this before? Was modulating higher. I switched to 5.4 then 5.2 then back to 5.8 now it won't go above 5x5 on any channel size -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
[AFMUG] Fwd: [WISPA Approved Ad] For WISPs, is the Holy Grail coming soon?
lol -- Forwarded message -- From: Wireless HolyGrail unveilthegr...@gmail.com Date: Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 2:45 PM Subject: [WISPA Approved Ad] For WISPs, is the Holy Grail coming soon? To: advertiseme...@wispa.org Dear WISPA members: What if there was a technology you could use that... - Could realistically generate $35,000/mo or more in revenue from a single tower site, leaving your controller with a perpetual goofy grin? - Was able to connect in the real world over 350 subscribers per tower with a service package of 20 Mbps DL/5 Mbps UL without overtaxing the system and do it with just 3 sectors? - Not only can reasonably connect well over 100 subscribers per sector, but we can prove it by logging into a system running live with hundreds of sector examples and tens of thousands of live subscribers, and can show you utilization across all time on any one to prove it? - Allowed you maybe even double the above over time without another climb or a dime more? - Enabled provable NLOS service in scale - even in 3.65 GHz - far better in range, capacity and stability than anything you've ever seen in 900 MHz? - Included on every SM a built-in SIP client and POTS jacks? - Featured SMs that had an optional built-in Wi-Fi AP fully manageable over the network to make your service more sticky? - Had base stations that will eventually be able to configure and optimize themselves in real time without human intervention? Climb, mount, turn on, climb down. - Also had SM options with dual N type connectors? - Could manage the interference environment in even just 50 MHz so well we could show you a place with over 300 base stations across 600 square miles and over 20,000 connections, all operating as engineered? - Permits your technicians to sleep soundly at night, ...and your competitors to have nightmares? What would something like that be worth to your business? It is coming, and soon. Do you want to know more? Send us a mail at unveilthegr...@gmail.com and we'll keep you in the loop offlist. ...oh, and let us know if you think we are just spinning fairy tales. We respect and love skeptics. We expect they'll be among our best new customers. ___ Advertisements mailing list advertiseme...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/advertisements
Re: [AFMUG] Riddle me this Batman?
Whatever they are they look expensive! On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: ehh... I can't find anything on their site that looks like that. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/24/2014 01:37 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af wrote: Sort of looks like 38 GHz PtMP sector antennas for something such as http://www.bluwan.com/ On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote: What are these? Vivint? Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] Plat hardware? Any simple solutions?
What platform for HA? isn't VMware like 15k for HA? On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:39 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: You can certainly run things on a single machine. I would at least have some level of RAID. Then do backups regularly, or automated. But I need the VMs to be up, so multiple machines and HA, and decently fault tolerant storage. So instead of running and maintaining an expensive SAN, it would be much easier/cheaper to use distributed storage on the machine's local drives. On 10/22/2014 9:59 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote: Or maybe I run everything on a VPS? On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 7:58 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: Fail tolerance in terms or being able to recover from a disaster and not loose everything On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 7:57 PM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Could this be done with reliability and fault tolerance using vsphere with only 1 machine? and a NAS for backups? Worst case if a failure occurs I can scrouge up some old desktop or something and install vsphere? Do i really need a main and backup server, vcenter server, etc? On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 5:57 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I wanted VSA, which was reasonable for a small cluster. Then they replaced it with vSAN and the licensing cost went to 5x more per node. There's no way I'm giving VMware any money at all after this, I will find another way. On 10/22/2014 7:03 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: Did you look at VMWare's partner program? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, October 22, 2014 12:53:04 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Plat hardware? Any simple solutions? I've been going down this road for months trying to convince the boss that we need to do something different. Most of the problem is, the WISP software packages don't fit our overall business. So I'm still shopping, and there's nothing that all of us in the management group agree on, but we're gonna do something.. soon.. because. On the hardware front, I was pricing out VMware licensing for the configuration I want, and there was just no way that was gonna happen. The hardware came out to only about 1/4 of the overall cost.. that tells you how much the VMware licensing would be. But there's plenty of open-source virtualization projects out there like Proxmox, *stack this, *cloud that, none of which do what I want. So I've settled on getting a demo setup of oVirt running on a couple CentOS boxes and see where it takes me. On 10/21/2014 10:02 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote: So I'm embarrassed to say that after over 5 years I still don't have a automated billing system and with the recent data breaches the labor to keep updating customers cards is finally pushing me to do something, I've been leaning towards Plat for a long time because of the cost and popularity and the fact that my mikrotik core router can easily integrate The problem is I'm a server N00B and have no clue where to start on that, I was thinking that someone might have a simple but reliable/redundant solution. I was looking at a single vsphere host running windows for plat and linux for radius cpanel for the web module but I need to hire a consultant to get that done right, then the reliability concerns/backup etc come in and by the time the consultant was done planning my system we went from 1 box to 4, 1 main server with all of the above services + 1 dns, a second backup box that would have all of the guests from box #1 backed up for a almost instant fail over should box #1 die, then a 3rd box for vCenter and lastly a NAS to backup everything to, at another site on the network in case of fire/theft,etc. This sounds like a totally awesome setup but will end up costing me 10k by the time I get some decent hardware, software licenses, hypervisor consulting and Plat setup consulting... I wish they had a simple hosted solution... Arg. Anyone have some other idea on how I can get up and running without spending a fortune but still have some type of disaster recovery should the box melt down? I really hate to spend the high monthly $ on something like Visp, swift fox, etc Any guidance is greatly appreciated TJ
[AFMUG] Easy way to determine LOS
Need to do a ptp shot but can't tell if I have clear LOS, any tricks with a telescope or something I can do without someone on the other side with a mirror or laser?
Re: [AFMUG] Non-Penetrating Roof Mount 10-20 feet talkk
You could put 25g also. 10 sections if you wanted too. Or more. On Oct 23, 2014 3:59 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: If you can drill into the roof there is a 45G mount for use with guyed applications (NOT self supporting!), it's about $350. Can put four or five 10' sections of 45G on top of a building with appropriate guying, assuming the roof weight loading in the center of the tower is ok in pounds/sqft. On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Randy Cosby via Af af@afmug.com wrote: And another option I found in the handy-dandy Rohn catalog I picked up last week: http://www.rohnnet.com/rohn-25g-ballast-roof-mount On 10/23/2014 4:47 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af wrote: pretty much any regular non penetrating mount is going to have a max height of 10', taller than that would have to be custom fabricated. https://www.bairdmounts.com/products/wireless/by-mount-type/Non-Penetrating-Roof-Mounts-%28NPRM%29?mtid=2 On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Randy Cosby via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Another possibility: http://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_listc=46 Non-pen tripod. On 10/23/2014 4:31 PM, Darin Steffl via Af wrote: Hey guys, What is your recommendation for a non-penetrating mount for the 10-20 foot range that can support 2-3 sectors in the 10-20 foot range and a few 16 dishes down around 6 feet? Up to 10 feet we could use Rigid or IMC conduit but this probably makes more sense to use small tower (Rohn) sections? Let me know your thoughts. Thanks -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi -- http://www.infowest.com/ Randy Cosby InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 infowest.com http://www.infowest.com/ This e-mail message contains information from InfoWest, Inc and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged, proprietary or confidential information. Unauthorized use, distribution, review or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact rco...@infowest.com by reply email and destroy the original message, all attachments and copies. -- http://www.infowest.com/ Randy Cosby InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 infowest.com http://www.infowest.com/ This e-mail message contains information from InfoWest, Inc and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged, proprietary or confidential information. Unauthorized use, distribution, review or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact rco...@infowest.com by reply email and destroy the original message, all attachments and copies.
Re: [AFMUG] RG-58
Rg58u or rg58au On Oct 22, 2014 10:06 AM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: What version of RG-58 has a braided center conductor and foil in the jacket?
Re: [AFMUG] Plat hardware? Any simple solutions?
Fail tolerance in terms or being able to recover from a disaster and not loose everything On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 7:57 PM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Could this be done with reliability and fault tolerance using vsphere with only 1 machine? and a NAS for backups? Worst case if a failure occurs I can scrouge up some old desktop or something and install vsphere? Do i really need a main and backup server, vcenter server, etc? On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 5:57 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I wanted VSA, which was reasonable for a small cluster. Then they replaced it with vSAN and the licensing cost went to 5x more per node. There's no way I'm giving VMware any money at all after this, I will find another way. On 10/22/2014 7:03 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: Did you look at VMWare's partner program? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, October 22, 2014 12:53:04 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Plat hardware? Any simple solutions? I've been going down this road for months trying to convince the boss that we need to do something different. Most of the problem is, the WISP software packages don't fit our overall business. So I'm still shopping, and there's nothing that all of us in the management group agree on, but we're gonna do something.. soon.. because. On the hardware front, I was pricing out VMware licensing for the configuration I want, and there was just no way that was gonna happen. The hardware came out to only about 1/4 of the overall cost.. that tells you how much the VMware licensing would be. But there's plenty of open-source virtualization projects out there like Proxmox, *stack this, *cloud that, none of which do what I want. So I've settled on getting a demo setup of oVirt running on a couple CentOS boxes and see where it takes me. On 10/21/2014 10:02 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote: So I'm embarrassed to say that after over 5 years I still don't have a automated billing system and with the recent data breaches the labor to keep updating customers cards is finally pushing me to do something, I've been leaning towards Plat for a long time because of the cost and popularity and the fact that my mikrotik core router can easily integrate The problem is I'm a server N00B and have no clue where to start on that, I was thinking that someone might have a simple but reliable/redundant solution. I was looking at a single vsphere host running windows for plat and linux for radius cpanel for the web module but I need to hire a consultant to get that done right, then the reliability concerns/backup etc come in and by the time the consultant was done planning my system we went from 1 box to 4, 1 main server with all of the above services + 1 dns, a second backup box that would have all of the guests from box #1 backed up for a almost instant fail over should box #1 die, then a 3rd box for vCenter and lastly a NAS to backup everything to, at another site on the network in case of fire/theft,etc. This sounds like a totally awesome setup but will end up costing me 10k by the time I get some decent hardware, software licenses, hypervisor consulting and Plat setup consulting... I wish they had a simple hosted solution... Arg. Anyone have some other idea on how I can get up and running without spending a fortune but still have some type of disaster recovery should the box melt down? I really hate to spend the high monthly $ on something like Visp, swift fox, etc Any guidance is greatly appreciated TJ
[AFMUG] Mimosa pipe dream?
I was thinking about Mimosa, and I can't think of anything else they could promise that we would want, except maybe Golden Unicorns for Steve, seems like their promises are so far fetched that it might all be smoke and mirrors? Any thoughts?
Re: [AFMUG] On ATT building
A guy near me bought 2 mountain top sites with HUGE concrete buildings that have underground gas storage , generators, bedrooms, showers, etc for like $50,000 for 2 sites with the land and he used a bullet and wave guide adapters and is running a 802.11 link across those huge legacy horn dishes! On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 7:12 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I really wish no more of those will be destroyed, they are a part of communications history.. and we can put some really long links on them. :) Where they're not under Ma Bell's control anyway. On 10/20/2014 9:07 PM, Chuck Hogg via Af wrote: The cost to leave them is nothing. :) I've seen multiple buildings with them. Regards, Chuck On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 9:55 PM, Robert Bain via Af af@afmug.com wrote: The cost to remove them is to expense On Oct 20, 2014 6:52 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Wonder why they dont take them down? Not used any longer Jaime Solorza
[AFMUG] Gpon or 10g-pon sfp...when?
How far away are we from seeing a gpon olt sfp module that would be mikrotik compatible? Would be nice to use a ccr 12s and be able to serve hundreds of customers. Seems like we aren't real close though ?
Re: [AFMUG] Custom fiber cable?
Gino, spill the 455 beans On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 5:16 PM, Chuck Hogg via Af af@afmug.com wrote: They are setup with ruggedized and weather proof connectors too...We actually got to see them at a UPS Logistics warehouse for Sprint...along with a lot of other things. Regards, Chuck On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 12:18 AM, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Got a fusion splicer so that would work way more pricey then I expected though — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Chuck Hogg via Af af@afmug.com wrote: So I found out through my Commscope friend that only supplies ATT (lush job), he told me that they are all custom built to order, the price is typically about $5-8/ft depending on size of the copper wire or depending on the amount of fiber. He told me that they don't usually sell it the way we would want it, unterminated, a big roll, etc. Regards, Chuck On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 9:08 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It's going to have to happen the other way around, radio manufacturers are going to have to start making APs with SFP cages and then you might start seeing lower cost options when it comes to hybrid cable. On Saturday, October 18, 2014, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Everything is pricy to begin with but after the demand is there price will go down just think of all the ways it would change the wisp industry No longer having to deal with cable interference on towers You can now link 450 radios 1000ft from farm house where you have line of sight It will allow manufactors to use fiber on AP's instead of Ethernet and get its power from the power wires It fixes soo many issues I really think this is a cable that needs to be made — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It's certainly possible, you just might not like the price. On Saturday, October 18, 2014, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'm sure you have all seen the coax cable exeed uses with the extra copper on outside of jacked for power.. Dose anyone one know is it's possible to order fiber with 2 copper wires on out side of jacket in its own jacket? — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox
Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons
Kurt, Any pros and cons on 450 between 2ghz, 3.65 and 5? Any differences at all? Range vs throughput? Obviously 2ghz penetrates better, 3 is licensed and 5 has more spectrum but anything else? All bands are open for me Thanks On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I started the spring deploying 450 in 2.4ghz, 5ghz, and 3.65ghz and then middle of the summer deciding i had totry some ePMP because the cost was so low I couldn't resist I can say now that I am fairly certain I will probably stick with the 450. There are many small reasons that when I considered them all i came to this conclusion. Here are my reasons: 1. ePMP latency starts to go up quickly once you have more than 10 clients on an AP. Once you get over 20 clients the latency is pretty much 25-30 ms. Cambium was honest about this at the road tour and they noted if you want the best latency to stick with the 450. 2. Sync between the two platforms is not there yet. If you have adjacent towers on the different platforms that can see each other you won't have sync. 3. No remote spectrum analyzer for clients. This is HUGE for when the clients fire up their wireless camera and baby monitors and trash the whole spectrum. 4.No burst bucket on CPE's 5.EPMP Interface is SLOWWW. Cambium explained at the tour they were offloading alot of processing power to the PC you are viewing the interface with and i can't be taking a quad core machine up a tower to work on these radios and do site surveys. I am working with a Panasonic Toughbook and takes FOREVER to log into the EPMP radios. 6. Fore some reason site surveys are a PITA with ePMP. Think its a combination of many factors here... slow interface one of them... 7. EPMP in 5ghz DFS band has really low power output. Something like 13-14db. When using an omni antenna you can't get maximum legal EIRP out of the ePMP. 8. 450 link tests and SM modulation is pretty stable and predictable. EPMP seems like its all over the place. I don't think I have yet seen EPMP linktest get full up or down outside of a lab environment. There might be other reasons but I'm pretty tired and was heading for bed. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 5:05 PM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I haven't been keeping real up to date on current generation ptmp offerings but we have a new site going up and I need to decide pretty quickly on some equipment. For the guys who have been using both 450 and epmp do you have any pros and cons ? Any reason to spend the extra money when epmp seems to have the same if not better performance , sync, etc? My gut says 450 is going to be my best long term solution but with all of the positive epmp feedback it's hard to justify the extra money?
Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons
How are you backhauling? On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 10:42 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: Rory, Do you have any pics of your microcells? how are you mounting them? on houses? Tripod? On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 10:15 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: But I think you missed Mark's point, or maybe part of it. Synchronizing APs at the same site is also a very big benefit, not just geographic/multi-site. On 10/19/2014 12:07 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote: If we lived in an area where things were flat, you might be right. We're full of hills and valleys, mountains and glaciers. ... but we're not flat, and Rory is doing similar things in his environment by using low-to-the-ground microcells and using the residential structures to create an urban canyon effect. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/18/2014 01:52 PM, Mark Radabaugh via Af wrote: And now your completely out of spectrum and can't deploy anything new. I suppose the good part for you is nobody else can do anything given the amount of noise your making. Mark On 10/18/14, 1:27 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote: You just hit the nail on the head why we have never considered deploying 450 (and similar) in the past: By the time you (relative term) have the cashflow to pay for those sectors, we (another relative term, for people deploying UBNT or similar) have already thrown up 4-6 shielded sectors and at least 10 clients per. If we don't think we can hit a decent sub density or at least make the site a valuable repeater, then we don't go there. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/18/2014 09:01 AM, Kurt Fankhauser via Af wrote: I prefer sectors too but math doesnt always work out. I'll put the omni in to get the site up and once the customers are there change it to sectors. The 450 platform is very easy to drop sectors in and have the existing clients link right up. I have a couple sites with existing customers i am dropping a two sector 450 system in with 120 segree KP antennas. cant afford any more sectors than that per site right now... Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Oct 18, 2014, at 11:21 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I've noticed a lot of PMP operators are deploying omnis (presumably because they can't afford 4 APs. Give me TDMA Atheros with sectors over omnis on anything any day. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Kurt Fankhauser via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:38:14 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons TJ, No difference between the 3 different frequencies bands (other than NLOS range) as far as the product itself they are all the same animal. 2.4ghz NLOS is slightly better than 3.65ghhz. They all function the same and have the same expected throughputs per channel width. They all use the same firmware and i love the interface being the same across all 3. The only major difference is the 5ghz is V/H versus slant on the other two. That just translates to the 5ghz omni being ALOT smaller and lighter. There are some places that i wish the 2.4ghz woulda been V/H because of the omni size but overall I am still very happy with the 2.4ghz 450. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 4:57 AM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Kurt, Any pros and cons on 450 between 2ghz, 3.65 and 5? Any differences at all? Range vs throughput? Obviously 2ghz penetrates better, 3 is licensed and 5 has more spectrum but anything else? All bands are open for me Thanks On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I started the spring deploying 450 in 2.4ghz, 5ghz, and 3.65ghz and then middle of the summer deciding i had totry some ePMP because the cost was so low I couldn't resist I can say now that I am fairly certain I will probably stick with the 450. There are many small reasons that when I considered them all i came to this conclusion. Here are my reasons: 1. ePMP latency starts to go up quickly once you have more than 10 clients on an AP. Once you get over 20 clients the latency is pretty much 25-30 ms. Cambium was honest about this at the road tour and they noted if you want the best latency to stick with the 450. 2. Sync between the two platforms is not there yet. If you have adjacent towers on the different platforms that can see each other you won't have sync. 3. No remote spectrum analyzer for clients. This is HUGE for when the clients fire up their wireless camera and baby monitors and trash
Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons
Rory, Do you have any pics of your microcells? how are you mounting them? on houses? Tripod? On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 10:15 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: But I think you missed Mark's point, or maybe part of it. Synchronizing APs at the same site is also a very big benefit, not just geographic/multi-site. On 10/19/2014 12:07 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote: If we lived in an area where things were flat, you might be right. We're full of hills and valleys, mountains and glaciers. ... but we're not flat, and Rory is doing similar things in his environment by using low-to-the-ground microcells and using the residential structures to create an urban canyon effect. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/18/2014 01:52 PM, Mark Radabaugh via Af wrote: And now your completely out of spectrum and can't deploy anything new. I suppose the good part for you is nobody else can do anything given the amount of noise your making. Mark On 10/18/14, 1:27 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote: You just hit the nail on the head why we have never considered deploying 450 (and similar) in the past: By the time you (relative term) have the cashflow to pay for those sectors, we (another relative term, for people deploying UBNT or similar) have already thrown up 4-6 shielded sectors and at least 10 clients per. If we don't think we can hit a decent sub density or at least make the site a valuable repeater, then we don't go there. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/18/2014 09:01 AM, Kurt Fankhauser via Af wrote: I prefer sectors too but math doesnt always work out. I'll put the omni in to get the site up and once the customers are there change it to sectors. The 450 platform is very easy to drop sectors in and have the existing clients link right up. I have a couple sites with existing customers i am dropping a two sector 450 system in with 120 segree KP antennas. cant afford any more sectors than that per site right now... Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Oct 18, 2014, at 11:21 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I've noticed a lot of PMP operators are deploying omnis (presumably because they can't afford 4 APs. Give me TDMA Atheros with sectors over omnis on anything any day. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Kurt Fankhauser via Af af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:38:14 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons TJ, No difference between the 3 different frequencies bands (other than NLOS range) as far as the product itself they are all the same animal. 2.4ghz NLOS is slightly better than 3.65ghhz. They all function the same and have the same expected throughputs per channel width. They all use the same firmware and i love the interface being the same across all 3. The only major difference is the 5ghz is V/H versus slant on the other two. That just translates to the 5ghz omni being ALOT smaller and lighter. There are some places that i wish the 2.4ghz woulda been V/H because of the omni size but overall I am still very happy with the 2.4ghz 450. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 4:57 AM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Kurt, Any pros and cons on 450 between 2ghz, 3.65 and 5? Any differences at all? Range vs throughput? Obviously 2ghz penetrates better, 3 is licensed and 5 has more spectrum but anything else? All bands are open for me Thanks On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I started the spring deploying 450 in 2.4ghz, 5ghz, and 3.65ghz and then middle of the summer deciding i had totry some ePMP because the cost was so low I couldn't resist I can say now that I am fairly certain I will probably stick with the 450. There are many small reasons that when I considered them all i came to this conclusion. Here are my reasons: 1. ePMP latency starts to go up quickly once you have more than 10 clients on an AP. Once you get over 20 clients the latency is pretty much 25-30 ms. Cambium was honest about this at the road tour and they noted if you want the best latency to stick with the 450. 2. Sync between the two platforms is not there yet. If you have adjacent towers on the different platforms that can see each other you won't have sync. 3. No remote spectrum analyzer for clients. This is HUGE for when the clients fire up their wireless camera and baby monitors and trash the whole spectrum. 4.No burst bucket on CPE's 5.EPMP Interface is SLOWWW. Cambium explained
[AFMUG] Pmp450 vs epmp pros vs cons
I haven't been keeping real up to date on current generation ptmp offerings but we have a new site going up and I need to decide pretty quickly on some equipment. For the guys who have been using both 450 and epmp do you have any pros and cons ? Any reason to spend the extra money when epmp seems to have the same if not better performance , sync, etc? My gut says 450 is going to be my best long term solution but with all of the positive epmp feedback it's hard to justify the extra money?
Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes
Anyone know why they discountined? I'm assuming poor sales? They didn't even give themself's a chance at building the market? Crazy, glad I didn't get scammed On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 7:35 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Ask for refund Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Organization: SPITwSPOTS Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Thursday, October 16, 2014 at 9:50 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes We pulled it off our network last week. Bunch of money down the drain. Not happy with the way Accedian handled this, on multiple fronts. It's not like they were strapped for cash. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/16/2014 04:32 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: We are going ï¿1Ž2to toss them Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Oct 16, 2014, at 6:25 PM, Chris Wright via Af af@afmug.com wrote: 1.2.8.6_21016 released in June of this year. http://forum.performantnetworks.com/threads/2015.1438/ ï¿1Ž2 Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ ï¿1Ž2 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matthew Jenkins via Af *Sent:* Thursday, October 16, 2014 3:20 PM *To:* Timothy D. McNabb via Af *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes ï¿1Ž2 I have a tub of equipment I really wanted to deploy. It's not being actively developed, so I have not deployed it. Are you running the latest software? Original message From: Timothy D. McNabb via Af af@afmug.com Date: 10/16/2014 1:58 PM (GMT-07:00) To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes Does anyone here on the list use Performant Nurons/Mind combination? What did you find worked best? ï¿1Ž2 -Tim ï¿1Ž2 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris Wright via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:00 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Accedian/Performant/R-Flo woes ï¿1Ž2 Weï¿1Ž2ve been sitting on a Performant Mind and four Nurons for almost a year now. They sat for six months, then I spent another six months tinkering with them here and there. Regardless of their EOL, weï¿1Ž2re looking to implement ï¿1Ž2 but Iï¿1Ž2m running into the silliest of issues. I canï¿1Ž2t even get traffic from the Mind to a Nuron to pass without 20% packet loss. This is without any routing, wireless backhauls, nothing. Just a VLAN-tagged NIC plugged straight into the Mind, Ethernet from Mind to a Nuron (where the vlan ï¿1Ž2popsï¿1Ž2), then Ethernet to a second computer. ï¿1Ž2 Iï¿1Ž2ve replaced the SFP adapters, the nuron, and verified none of the Ethernet cables are bad by literally coupling them all down a line and going straight from computer 1 to computer 2. No issue there. ï¿1Ž2 This, combined with the fact that this stuff is going to be EOL in three years, is maddening. My boss was under the impression that this should be able to seamlessly integrate into our star topology (nuron at every tower making a ring), but we canï¿1Ž2t even get basic LAN functions to work reliably. ï¿1Ž2 Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ ï¿1Ž2
[AFMUG] Pole fees and process ?
How do you go about placing aerial fiber on power poles and what is the normal fee structure? What license do you need or permits to be able to place aerial cable? Some type of franchise right? Any estimates on aerial fiber cost for labor,fees, materials etc?
[AFMUG] Cheapest way to bachaul 1gig fiber 1 mile?
What is the cheapest method of backhauling a 1gig fiber about 1 mile? I'm assuming you can't reliably bond or aggregate airfiber 24's can you? TJ
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest way to bachaul 1gig fiber 1 mile?
Path is actually 1.8 miles, will 80 still work? What do those cost? Any idea the difference between the 5 different model variations? On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Carl Peterson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Not relevant to the OP, but we just installed a bunch of Siklu EH-600s and they have an awesome non-java interface. Hopefully this will show up in the 80GHz stuff soon. On Oct 13, 2014, at 7:01 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Siklu 80ghz will do 1gig at a mile. Very cost effective product. I recently installed a pair for our county. The interface is in java and therefore a bit nit picky on browser. But its a good product from my experience. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/13/2014 03:59 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote: What is the cheapest method of backhauling a 1gig fiber about 1 mile? I'm assuming you can't reliably bond or aggregate airfiber 24's can you? TJ
Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.
Exede is a whole new beast, like 20mbps per sub and the sat capacity is like 10TB or something crazy On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Last time I checked, they were out of capacity in rural areas. *From:* Chris Wright via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, October 10, 2014 1:35 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs. Our converted-from-satellite-internet customers are extremely vocal about their disdain for satellite internet. A deal like this may bring in an extra few bucks; headaches, doubly so. Chris Wright Velociter Wireless http://www.velociter.net/ *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff Ernst via Af *Sent:* Friday, October 10, 2014 12:21 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs. [image: Exede and Convergence header- Helping WISPs cash in on unservicable customers] Introducing a Brand New Exede Reseller Program Created Specifically for WISPs Convergence Technologies and Exede are excited to announce a new partnership with a unique sales program designed specifically for WISPs. Learn how this program opens up new profit opportunities for WISPs by turning unserviceable customers into profitable new customers while also reducing gaps in coverage. ✓ Never say No to an unserviceable customer ✓ You own the customer ✓ Attractive service plans, margins, and pricing ✓ Easy installation ✓ Training provided ✓ Increase revenue and profits *Say goodbye to lost sales and profits. Say hello to the new ConVergence / Exede WISP reseller program.* Please join us at the booth for a live demonstration and detailed brochures to take home. *Convergence Technologies would like to offer you a promotion code for a $50.00 discount on Full Conference Passes to attend the show. The discount code is CTI204* *Please feel free to call us at 844.251.3583 844.251.3583 if you have any questions about this exciting opportunity* *Come see us at WISPAPALOOZA 2014!* [image: WISPAPALOOZA 2014 logo] [image: Exede Internet Logo] Visit us at Booth 306 [image: Convergence Logo] Visit us at Booth 401 *Jeff Ernst* Director of Sales and Marketing [image: ConVergence Technologies, Inc.] http://www.converge-tech.com/ Where Best of Class Technologies ConVerge ConVergence Technologies, Inc. 7956 Madison Street Burr Ridge, IL 60527 *tel* 312.205.2503 jer...@converge-tech.com
Re: [AFMUG] Purchasing another WISP
Was Dennis having a baby? On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Randy Cosby via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Be sure to shut your mic off if you're not on the air :) On 10/8/2014 1:29 PM, Dennis Burgess via Af wrote: We just went though a great ISP Radio episode with Jeff Kohler from Jab Wireless on Acquisitions! Check out the download! Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson (airCloud) via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, October 08, 2014 1:06 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Purchasing another WISP It's all in how you manage the changes. Send a letter welcoming them to the family. Outline some of the steps you have taken to improve service, and that your company takes a very proactive approach to network monitoring, uptime, and performance. Let them know how to get customer support and how to contact your various departments. Taking these steps will increase retention, and sets the tone for what they can expect from their new provider. Additionally, describe the new plan options are and what plan they will be transferred to. If someone doesn't like their new plan, let them know what the upgrade options are. They can choose to upgrade or go somewhere else. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:02 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Take a page out of JABs handbook and just tell them to go ^%$ themselves if they dont like it On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I would probably just match it to the rest of your system. my guess is the majority of them won't even notice the difference... if you've cleaned up a lot of self interference issues, a lot of them will likely work better than they did before with the all the self interference issues. You probably will get a few that are mad they can't get 10mbps on a speed test at 2am anymore though... -- *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Glen Waldrop via Af [ af@afmug.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, October 08, 2014 11:51 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Purchasing another WISP I just bought another WISP, negotiating with another. The previous owners set up the system using Rocket M900 using 20MHz channels on everything, stomping all over itself and everyone else in the band. I changed that, did my best to stop the self interference, smaller channels, etc... This was just a tiny bit of back story to show what I've gotten myself in to. Everyone has unlimited access to their 10Mb fiber, which I have replaced by tying it into my network. There was no traffic shaping, no speed limits, no QoS. Most of them aren't heavy users, just a couple that run torrents 24/7. The P2P folks have been limited already. Not terribly worried about upsetting them. I'm a bit concerned I'm going to anger my new customers by matching the same config I have for my system of 1Mb/4Mb. How did/would you guys handle situations like this? My main QoS at the edge prevents any one person from hogging all the bandwidth. I'm currently torn between QoS at the tower and uncapping the CPE or limiting the CPE as I've always done. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- http://www.infowest.com/ Randy Cosby InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 infowest.com http://www.infowest.com/ This e-mail message contains information from InfoWest, Inc and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged, proprietary or confidential information. Unauthorized use, distribution, review or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact rco...@infowest.com by reply email and destroy the original message, all attachments and copies.
Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas
I would really like to see a installation device that has a LCD and speaker and headphone jack, has it's own internal lithium battery with poe output AND lan port for a laptop, can speak SNMP or http or whatever with Ubiquiti and Canopy/Epmp and allows you to do basic configuration in the field and also has stored config files for fast SM programming, once programmed it acts like an alignment tool with LCD that's sun viewable and also audio out of the speaker... Does multiple POE outputs either by setting or automatically. I would also like to see a RJ45 lock in device that allows us to lock patch cables into the POE/Router/Computer, etc to keep customers from unplugging Ethernet cables and mixing them up! I know this is already out on the market but $5 each is crazy. On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Our infrastructure sites look like this: Shielded Cables - 8 or 24port shielded patch panel - APC PRM24 with WB Surge Modules - PoE Injectors - Switch / Router PoE Injectors are attached to a Masterswitch. pipe dream I know this probably is not feasible but What I would REALLY like is an active PoE midspan injector (8/24 gigabit port). Something that does not require a site monitor (has web/snmp function built in). It takes AC power and can output DC to each type of device. This device would be software configurable for power type and has apc masterswitch functionality. It would need to support up to 150watt per port for WiMAX and Licensed Link Radios. It would need to support from 12vdc to 56vdc output. If there was a model that also supported power out to a few (4) AC outlets I wouldn't even need an APC Masterswitch. The goal is to replace all those PoE injectors which don't mount in a rack or on a din rail in a box. /pipe dream Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/05/2014 01:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to the list. With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for me to decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux. We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost all of them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of products we complete just because they help fill out our product offering instead of expecting a lot of revenue from them. A couple of these have appeared on the website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the voltmeter/shunt input modules. So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux could build which would help you in your WISP. I'm particularly looking for products which if they existed would go at every one of your tower sites, or even better at every customer location. I know these product ideas exist out there, and I'd love to hear them. Feel free to throw ideas out which are outside of the narrow niche that you think of PacketFlux fitting into. One final note - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower device which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc conversion, battery charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power injection, fiber conversion, etc.. I've heard those loud and clear and am aware of that desire. There's work being done in-house toward something like that, but there are many hurdles left to make it a reality. If there's a simplified version of this which would fit a specific, widespread, need I'd love to hear about it, but the idea of a device you put into your rack and it handles everything needed at a tower site is still quite a ways off for us. So, throw your best ideas out there... I'd love to take a couple and run with them. -forrest
Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity
I would love to find a router that has poe output and all of the diagnostic features you mentioned. It would be nice if the customer could just look at the router to see the status of the connection up down or otherwise. On Oct 5, 2014 2:13 PM, Chris Fabien via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'd say you are correct. Would love to have the functionality but even at $75 I couldn't justify the cost. On Oct 5, 2014 5:08 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Following up on the previous email about product ideas, I have an idea for a product which at least I think would be really cool, but I also think would likely be a big flop, just because of the apparent cost sensitivity of installs. It seems to me that it would be nice to replace the power injector at customer sites with more of an intelligent device. One that provides functionality like traffic metering, cable diagnostics, customer-location speed tests, and so on. The unit would have jacks for the radio, the customer equipment, and power. It would also have a display which shows real-time usage data for the customer to be able to determine for themselves what their current internet consumption is. There are a lot of natural outgrowths from this such as watchdog reset of the radio itself, automatic problem notification to the WISP, etc. My goal would be to instrument this as much as possible. If you think of this as a 'smart power meter' for internet, with diagnostic tools built in, then you've got the basic idea. This is not intended to replace the customer router/nat device, and will only be a Layer 2 device as far as traffic goes. There will likely be some limited traffic shaping possible based on the underlying ethernet swtich chipset. Unfortunately, these can't be a $20 device. $75 might be doable for higher volumes, but $100 is more in the comfort zone for the volumes I typically move. Of course, this is a CPE device and I'm not even sure how many I'd sell so these prices are guesses at best - but more likely to go down instead of up. Although I suspect most people would love to have one of these at each install, I have a hard time believing that most people would swallow adding even $75 to the cost of each install, let alone the $100 which might be the price I'd have to hit for lower volume. Is this a fair assumption? Would you add such a device to each install?
Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas
Forrest, If the device was really really nice, had everything I talked about and maybe even wifi AP I would buy a few @ $500, $250 is more where I think it would be plausible. We would buy maybe 5 @ 250, obviously not a high volume thing. Updates, free would be nice but I wouldn't mind spending $50 each update for much enhanced functionality... Yes we are clipping the tab now. On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 5:46 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Exalt ExtremeAir Radios draw 135watt average over PoE. Telrad Radios we use draw up to 150watt but usually around 120ish. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/05/2014 04:55 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: What radio needs 150w? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto: af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto: af@afmug.com Date: Sunday, October 5, 2014 at 7:14 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas This is actually in the category of what I'm expending a fair bit of RD on right now. The challenge comes cost. 150watt per port is very expensive to do when factoring in the DC-DC conversion. 20W is easy. 50W is a bit harder. 150W gets very expensive quickly. As a result, I'm thinking somewhat modular, i.e. pick/choose. I also have to be mindful of the competitors in the space, in that I want to be different in the right ways. The power injection/switching space is quite crowded. -forrest On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Our infrastructure sites look like this: Shielded Cables - 8 or 24port shielded patch panel - APC PRM24 with WB Surge Modules - PoE Injectors - Switch / Router PoE Injectors are attached to a Masterswitch. pipe dream I know this probably is not feasible but What I would REALLY like is an active PoE midspan injector (8/24 gigabit port). Something that does not require a site monitor (has web/snmp function built in). It takes AC power and can output DC to each type of device. This device would be software configurable for power type and has apc masterswitch functionality. It would need to support up to 150watt per port for WiMAX and Licensed Link Radios. It would need to support from 12vdc to 56vdc output. If there was a model that also supported power out to a few (4) AC outlets I wouldn't even need an APC Masterswitch. The goal is to replace all those PoE injectors which don't mount in a rack or on a din rail in a box. /pipe dream Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net mailto:m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 tel:530.272.4000 On 10/05/2014 01:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to the list. With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for me to decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux. We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost all of them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of products we complete just because they help fill out our product offering instead of expecting a lot of revenue from them. A couple of these have appeared on the website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the voltmeter/shunt input modules. So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux could build which would help you in your WISP. I'm particularly looking for products which if they existed would go at every one of your tower sites, or even better at every customer location. I know these product ideas exist out there, and I'd love to hear them. Feel free to throw ideas out which are outside of the narrow niche that you think of PacketFlux fitting into. One final note - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower device which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc conversion, battery charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power injection, fiber conversion, etc.. I've heard those loud and clear and am aware of that desire. There's work being done in-house toward something like that, but there are many hurdles left to make it a reality. If there's a simplified version of this which would fit a specific, widespread, need I'd love to hear about it, but the idea of a device you put into your rack and it handles everything needed at a tower site is still quite a ways
Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas
I would be interested in a device that's wall mount or tower mount that's a 3 or 4 port poe powered, poe pass thru ethernet switch, bonus for selectable polarity output. Double bonus for gigabit! On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 6:10 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: Forrest, If the device was really really nice, had everything I talked about and maybe even wifi AP I would buy a few @ $500, $250 is more where I think it would be plausible. We would buy maybe 5 @ 250, obviously not a high volume thing. Updates, free would be nice but I wouldn't mind spending $50 each update for much enhanced functionality... Yes we are clipping the tab now. On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 5:46 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Exalt ExtremeAir Radios draw 135watt average over PoE. Telrad Radios we use draw up to 150watt but usually around 120ish. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/05/2014 04:55 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: What radio needs 150w? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto: af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto: af@afmug.com Date: Sunday, October 5, 2014 at 7:14 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas This is actually in the category of what I'm expending a fair bit of RD on right now. The challenge comes cost. 150watt per port is very expensive to do when factoring in the DC-DC conversion. 20W is easy. 50W is a bit harder. 150W gets very expensive quickly. As a result, I'm thinking somewhat modular, i.e. pick/choose. I also have to be mindful of the competitors in the space, in that I want to be different in the right ways. The power injection/switching space is quite crowded. -forrest On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Our infrastructure sites look like this: Shielded Cables - 8 or 24port shielded patch panel - APC PRM24 with WB Surge Modules - PoE Injectors - Switch / Router PoE Injectors are attached to a Masterswitch. pipe dream I know this probably is not feasible but What I would REALLY like is an active PoE midspan injector (8/24 gigabit port). Something that does not require a site monitor (has web/snmp function built in). It takes AC power and can output DC to each type of device. This device would be software configurable for power type and has apc masterswitch functionality. It would need to support up to 150watt per port for WiMAX and Licensed Link Radios. It would need to support from 12vdc to 56vdc output. If there was a model that also supported power out to a few (4) AC outlets I wouldn't even need an APC Masterswitch. The goal is to replace all those PoE injectors which don't mount in a rack or on a din rail in a box. /pipe dream Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net mailto:m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 tel:530.272.4000 On 10/05/2014 01:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to the list. With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for me to decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux. We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost all of them I expect to be very low volume projects - the type of products we complete just because they help fill out our product offering instead of expecting a lot of revenue from them. A couple of these have appeared on the website recently - I.E. a 2 Relay, 3 Switch module, and the voltmeter/shunt input modules. So, what I'd love to hear is some suggestions for products PacketFlux could build which would help you in your WISP. I'm particularly looking for products which if they existed would go at every one of your tower sites, or even better at every customer location. I know these product ideas exist out there, and I'd love to hear them. Feel free to throw ideas out which are outside of the narrow niche that you think of PacketFlux fitting into. One final note - there is always a query for an all-in-one tower device which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc conversion, battery charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power injection, fiber conversion, etc.. I've heard those loud and clear and am aware of that desire. There's work being done in-house toward something like that, but there are many hurdles left to make it a
Re: [AFMUG] 30' Tower
free stand? I've seen them almost triple that before :) On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 7:22 PM, Jerry Head via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Rohn 25g will stand to 30' Not sure what the 25 is. On 9/30/2014 1:38 PM, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. via Af wrote: I am looking for a 30ft freestanding 25 tower to mount a small sector. I am not brand sensitive. Does anyone know where I can get one? The places I have found and called seem to be 2 weeks to a month out. Gilbert
Re: [AFMUG] 30' Tower
Tally On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 4:29 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote: try www.epcom.net ask for prices on the 35G version.Ask for April 915 5335119 Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I am looking for a 30ft freestanding 25 tower to mount a small sector. I am not brand sensitive. Does anyone know where I can get one? The places I have found and called seem to be 2 weeks to a month out. Gilbert
Re: [AFMUG] Ptp600/650 poe schematic
go to another site and probe it with a patch cable cut and a volt meter On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 6:42 AM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I remember it was on the manual, can't find it Need to ditch the pidu Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
[AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance
How are the rocket AC's performing for you guys? Throughput? Bugs?
Re: [AFMUG] battery tester
Carbon pile battery load tester is what you need. On Sep 18, 2014 3:07 PM, Randy Cosby via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Ah, figured this out. Batteries have been getting down to 20c around noon, temperature compensation of .12V per degree below 25c, 56.6V is where we top out. Just right. On 9/18/2014 3:35 PM, Randy Cosby via Af wrote: Before anyone mentions it, I know some of these batteries are being charged too high. I have my charger (Tristar MPPT-60) set for gel battery voltages, and the combined voltage is supposed to top out at 56v. It looks like we're getting a little higher than that, I need to figure out why. On 9/18/2014 3:14 PM, Randy Cosby via Af wrote: Getting back on topic (and trying to avoid double-spaces)... I have two strings of four GEL batteries, all of them the same age. They are all being charged by the same solar panels/controller. Positive lead is connected to battery 1, negative to battery 4. Load is connected the same way. I am now monitoring each battery separately with a pair of sitemonitor 4-input modules. One battery I know is bad - 1.1 (bank 1 battery 1). It drops under 12v at night. The graphs are puzzling to me. The other batteries I'm not sure on. Each seems to have a different/profile slope when charging, but similar (but not identical) slope when discharging. Take a look: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4059343/graff%20voltage%20graps.png Anyone care to venture a guess as to why we're seeing these differences? On 9/18/2014 1:57 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: Telemetry. Just watch the slope of the discharge voltage at night. I have tried to use impedance meters several times at different companies and cannot get results that predict failures. If you have a battery that should last several days, disconnect the solar panels and watch the telemetry. *From:* Randy Cosby via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, September 18, 2014 1:06 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] battery tester Does anyone have a recommended battery tester for AGM and Gel batteries at solar sites? I have batteries from 100AH to 225AH. Most of the automotive models seem to be concerned with cold cranking amps, pretty irrelevant for us. -- http://www.infowest.com/ Randy Cosby InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 infowest.com http://www.infowest.com/ This e-mail message contains information from InfoWest, Inc and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged, proprietary or confidential information. Unauthorized use, distribution, review or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact rco...@infowest.com by reply email and destroy the original message, all attachments and copies. -- http://www.infowest.com/ Randy Cosby InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 infowest.com http://www.infowest.com/ This e-mail message contains information from InfoWest, Inc and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged, proprietary or confidential information. Unauthorized use, distribution, review or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact rco...@infowest.com by reply email and destroy the original message, all attachments and copies. -- http://www.infowest.com/ Randy Cosby InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 infowest.com http://www.infowest.com/ This e-mail message contains information from InfoWest, Inc and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged, proprietary or confidential information. Unauthorized use, distribution, review or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact rco...@infowest.com by reply email and destroy the original message, all attachments and copies. -- http://www.infowest.com/ Randy Cosby InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 infowest.com http://www.infowest.com/ This e-mail message contains information from InfoWest, Inc and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain privileged, proprietary or confidential information. Unauthorized use, distribution, review or disclosure is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact rco...@infowest.com by reply email and destroy the original message, all attachments and copies.
