Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
Maybe I'll get 4 pieces of sheet metal and make my own "hi perf" shroud. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 9/30/2016 3:11:39 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Panels have pretty good F/B ratio but yes, an RF armor type of thing would knock off some side lobes. From:Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:10 PM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Since the goal in this case isn't more gain, but narrower pattern, what about an "RF Armor" type of thing? -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 9/30/2016 3:08:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Yeah, but you have a fairly electrically large panel as a feed, so you would need a reflector 10 feet in diameter to properly illuminate it. From:Josh Reynolds Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:05 PM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Would a Cassegrain work? Probably not cost effective though... On Sep 30, 2016 1:58 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: Not sure there is anyone stopping it. Kinda hard to patent tower mounting hardware. From:Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:51 PM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Or were you serious? If I have access to machine tools can I make licensed knockoffs of M-TOW? -- Original Message -- From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 9/30/2016 2:50:14 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Write it with a crayon on the back of your Burger King napkin. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 9/30/2016 2:49:34 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE I will sell you a license today! From:That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:31 PM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can eliminate the hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from the website and install your mtow On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for one-offs. -- Original Message ------ From: "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we needed a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the antennas faster than a weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M made some heat shrink tubing that just fit over the size of tubing I was using. After heat shrinking the stick, we would dip the ends in "plastidip". Never had a leak. I wonder if you just needed to hand make a couple dipole or patch array antennas, if dipping them in plastidip wouldn't be a decent option. Obviously it would be labor and time intensive for production, but for a couple one-offs, why not? On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more difficult and expensive. Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+. From:Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Yup. They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to each other by traces. What about a cheaper external antenna? The price to beat is $120. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside. Hard to couple to with any efficiency. From:Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel. a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE What does the CPE look like? From:Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM To:Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce interference. Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune
Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
Panels have pretty good F/B ratio but yes, an RF armor type of thing would knock off some side lobes. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:10 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Since the goal in this case isn't more gain, but narrower pattern, what about an "RF Armor" type of thing? -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 9/30/2016 3:08:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Yeah, but you have a fairly electrically large panel as a feed, so you would need a reflector 10 feet in diameter to properly illuminate it. From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Would a Cassegrain work? Probably not cost effective though... On Sep 30, 2016 1:58 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: Not sure there is anyone stopping it. Kinda hard to patent tower mounting hardware. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:51 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Or were you serious? If I have access to machine tools can I make licensed knockoffs of M-TOW? -- Original Message -- From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 9/30/2016 2:50:14 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Write it with a crayon on the back of your Burger King napkin. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 9/30/2016 2:49:34 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE I will sell you a license today! From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:31 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can eliminate the hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from the website and install your mtow On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for one-offs. -- Original Message -- From: "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we needed a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the antennas faster than a weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M made some heat shrink tubing that just fit over the size of tubing I was using. After heat shrinking the stick, we would dip the ends in "plastidip". Never had a leak. I wonder if you just needed to hand make a couple dipole or patch array antennas, if dipping them in plastidip wouldn't be a decent option. Obviously it would be labor and time intensive for production, but for a couple one-offs, why not? On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more difficult and expensive. Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Yup. They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to each other by traces. What about a cheaper external antenna? The price to beat is $120. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside. Hard to couple to with any efficiency. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel. a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners. ------ Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like"
Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
Since the goal in this case isn't more gain, but narrower pattern, what about an "RF Armor" type of thing? -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 9/30/2016 3:08:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Yeah, but you have a fairly electrically large panel as a feed, so you would need a reflector 10 feet in diameter to properly illuminate it. From:Josh Reynolds Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:05 PM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Would a Cassegrain work? Probably not cost effective though... On Sep 30, 2016 1:58 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: Not sure there is anyone stopping it. Kinda hard to patent tower mounting hardware. From:Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:51 PM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Or were you serious? If I have access to machine tools can I make licensed knockoffs of M-TOW? -- Original Message -- From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 9/30/2016 2:50:14 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Write it with a crayon on the back of your Burger King napkin. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 9/30/2016 2:49:34 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE I will sell you a license today! From:That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:31 PM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can eliminate the hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from the website and install your mtow On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for one-offs. -- Original Message -- From: "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we needed a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the antennas faster than a weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M made some heat shrink tubing that just fit over the size of tubing I was using. After heat shrinking the stick, we would dip the ends in "plastidip". Never had a leak. I wonder if you just needed to hand make a couple dipole or patch array antennas, if dipping them in plastidip wouldn't be a decent option. Obviously it would be labor and time intensive for production, but for a couple one-offs, why not? On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more difficult and expensive. Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+. From:Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Yup. They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to each other by traces. What about a cheaper external antenna? The price to beat is $120. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside. Hard to couple to with any efficiency. From:Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel. a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE What does the CPE look like? From:Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM To:Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce interference. Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR. Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax jumpers. A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers and the labor to seal them. I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now. If I could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice. I'd also just settle for a cheaper external antenna. Any brilliant ideas? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
Yeah, but you have a fairly electrically large panel as a feed, so you would need a reflector 10 feet in diameter to properly illuminate it. From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Would a Cassegrain work? Probably not cost effective though... On Sep 30, 2016 1:58 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: Not sure there is anyone stopping it. Kinda hard to patent tower mounting hardware. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:51 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Or were you serious? If I have access to machine tools can I make licensed knockoffs of M-TOW? -- Original Message -- From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 9/30/2016 2:50:14 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Write it with a crayon on the back of your Burger King napkin. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 9/30/2016 2:49:34 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE I will sell you a license today! From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:31 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can eliminate the hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from the website and install your mtow On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for one-offs. -- Original Message -- From: "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we needed a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the antennas faster than a weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M made some heat shrink tubing that just fit over the size of tubing I was using. After heat shrinking the stick, we would dip the ends in "plastidip". Never had a leak. I wonder if you just needed to hand make a couple dipole or patch array antennas, if dipping them in plastidip wouldn't be a decent option. Obviously it would be labor and time intensive for production, but for a couple one-offs, why not? On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more difficult and expensive. Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Yup. They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to each other by traces. What about a cheaper external antenna? The price to beat is $120. -- Original Message ------ From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside. Hard to couple to with any efficiency. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel. a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE What does the CPE look like? From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce interference. Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR. Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax jumpers. A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated panel is $120-$
Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
Sand casting. I can copy stuff in half hour if the draft angles are correct. Been going on for centuries. Our whole industrial revolution was all done with hand made wooden patterns. From: Bill Prince Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE You can almost do that now. I saw a demo at the Maker Fair last year that was pretty much a 3D printer take-off on the lost wax method. You print the shape (aka model) with a special plastic. Then encase the model in a breakable mold. Then heat the mold to evaporate the model, then fill the mold with the metal of your choice. Break the mold, and viola; a hard metal one-off. bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 9/30/2016 11:31 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can eliminate the hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from the website and install your mtow On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for one-offs. -- Original Message -- From: "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we needed a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the antennas faster than a weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M made some heat shrink tubing that just fit over the size of tubing I was using. After heat shrinking the stick, we would dip the ends in "plastidip". Never had a leak. I wonder if you just needed to hand make a couple dipole or patch array antennas, if dipping them in plastidip wouldn't be a decent option. Obviously it would be labor and time intensive for production, but for a couple one-offs, why not? On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more difficult and expensive. Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Yup. They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to each other by traces. What about a cheaper external antenna? The price to beat is $120. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside. Hard to couple to with any efficiency. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel. a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE What does the CPE look like? From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce interference. Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR. Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax jumpers. A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers and the labor to seal them. I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now. If I could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice. I'd also just settle for a cheaper external antenna. Any brilliant ideas? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
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Nothing magic about our designs, we have good test data but most importantly we do a very heavy duty hot dip galvanization. They ought to last forever. From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:02 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE you should do that, sell the license to the design on a per unit basis at your profit margin without production cost. I would bet people would be pretty honest, the ones who wouldnt already bought one mtow and took it to a fabricator On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:58 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: Not sure there is anyone stopping it. Kinda hard to patent tower mounting hardware. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:51 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Or were you serious? If I have access to machine tools can I make licensed knockoffs of M-TOW? -- Original Message -- From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 9/30/2016 2:50:14 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Write it with a crayon on the back of your Burger King napkin. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 9/30/2016 2:49:34 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE I will sell you a license today! From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:31 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can eliminate the hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from the website and install your mtow On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for one-offs. -- Original Message -- From: "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we needed a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the antennas faster than a weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M made some heat shrink tubing that just fit over the size of tubing I was using. After heat shrinking the stick, we would dip the ends in "plastidip". Never had a leak. I wonder if you just needed to hand make a couple dipole or patch array antennas, if dipping them in plastidip wouldn't be a decent option. Obviously it would be labor and time intensive for production, but for a couple one-offs, why not? On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more difficult and expensive. Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Yup. They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to each other by traces. What about a cheaper external antenna? The price to beat is $120. -- Original Message ------ From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside. Hard to couple to with any efficiency. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel. a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE What does the CPE look like? From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce interference. Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out interference from other base stations and
Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
Would a Cassegrain work? Probably not cost effective though... On Sep 30, 2016 1:58 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > Not sure there is anyone stopping it. Kinda hard to patent tower mounting > hardware. > > *From:* Adam Moffett > *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 12:51 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE > > Or were you serious? If I have access to machine tools can I make > licensed knockoffs of M-TOW? > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: 9/30/2016 2:50:14 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE > > > Write it with a crayon on the back of your Burger King napkin. > > > -- Original Message -- > From: ch...@wbmfg.com > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: 9/30/2016 2:49:34 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE > > > I will sell you a license today! > > *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm > *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 12:31 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE > > i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can > eliminate the hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from the > website and install your mtow > > On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for one-offs. >> >> >> -- Original Message -- >> From: "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com> >> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >> Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE >> >> >> When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we needed >> a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the antennas faster >> than a weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M made some heat shrink >> tubing that just fit over the size of tubing I was using. After heat >> shrinking the stick, we would dip the ends in "plastidip". Never had a >> leak. I wonder if you just needed to hand make a couple dipole or patch >> array antennas, if dipping them in plastidip wouldn't be a decent option. >> Obviously it would be labor and time intensive for production, but for a >> couple one-offs, why not? >> >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >> >>> The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more difficult >>> and expensive. Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+. >>> >>> *From:* Adam Moffett >>> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE >>> >>> Yup. They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to each >>> other by traces. >>> >>> What about a cheaper external antenna? The price to beat is $120. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- Original Message -- >>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE >>> >>> >>> Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside. Hard to couple to with >>> any efficiency. >>> >>> *From:* Adam Moffett >>> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE >>> >>> Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel. >>> a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners. >>> >>> >>> -- Original Message -- >>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com >>> To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> >>> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE >>> >>> >>> What does the CPE look like? >>> >>> *From:* Adam Moffett >>> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM >>> *To:* Animal Farm >>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE >>> >>> I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce >>> interference. Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out >>> interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR. >>> >>> Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax >>> jumpers. A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated >>> panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers >>> and the labor to seal them. >>> >>> I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now. If I >>> could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice. I'd >>> also just settle for a cheaper external antenna. >>> >>> Any brilliant ideas? >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > -- > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team > as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. > >
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You can almost do that now. I saw a demo at the Maker Fair last year that was pretty much a 3D printer take-off on the lost wax method. You print the shape (aka model) with a special plastic. Then encase the model in a breakable mold. Then heat the mold to evaporate the model, then fill the mold with the metal of your choice. Break the mold, and viola; a hard metal one-off. bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 9/30/2016 11:31 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can eliminate the hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from the website and install your mtow On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote: Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for one-offs. -- Original Message -- From: "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com <mailto:cc...@wispmon.com>> To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>> Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we needed a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the antennas faster than a weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M made some heat shrink tubing that just fit over the size of tubing I was using. After heat shrinking the stick, we would dip the ends in "plastidip". Never had a leak. I wonder if you just needed to hand make a couple dipole or patch array antennas, if dipping them in plastidip wouldn't be a decent option. Obviously it would be labor and time intensive for production, but for a couple one-offs, why not? On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more difficult and expensive. Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+. *From:* Adam Moffett *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Yup. They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to each other by traces. What about a cheaper external antenna? The price to beat is $120. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside. Hard to couple to with any efficiency. *From:* Adam Moffett *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel. a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners. -- Original Message ------ From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE What does the CPE look like? *From:* Adam Moffett *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce interference. Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR. Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax jumpers. A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers and the labor to seal them. I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now. If I could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice. I'd also just settle for a cheaper external antenna. Any brilliant ideas? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
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you should do that, sell the license to the design on a per unit basis at your profit margin without production cost. I would bet people would be pretty honest, the ones who wouldnt already bought one mtow and took it to a fabricator On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:58 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > Not sure there is anyone stopping it. Kinda hard to patent tower mounting > hardware. > > *From:* Adam Moffett > *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 12:51 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE > > Or were you serious? If I have access to machine tools can I make > licensed knockoffs of M-TOW? > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: 9/30/2016 2:50:14 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE > > > Write it with a crayon on the back of your Burger King napkin. > > > -- Original Message -- > From: ch...@wbmfg.com > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: 9/30/2016 2:49:34 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE > > > I will sell you a license today! > > *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm > *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 12:31 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE > > i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can > eliminate the hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from the > website and install your mtow > > On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for one-offs. >> >> >> -- Original Message -- >> From: "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com> >> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >> Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE >> >> >> When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we needed >> a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the antennas faster >> than a weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M made some heat shrink >> tubing that just fit over the size of tubing I was using. After heat >> shrinking the stick, we would dip the ends in "plastidip". Never had a >> leak. I wonder if you just needed to hand make a couple dipole or patch >> array antennas, if dipping them in plastidip wouldn't be a decent option. >> Obviously it would be labor and time intensive for production, but for a >> couple one-offs, why not? >> >> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >> >>> The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more difficult >>> and expensive. Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+. >>> >>> *From:* Adam Moffett >>> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE >>> >>> Yup. They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to each >>> other by traces. >>> >>> What about a cheaper external antenna? The price to beat is $120. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- Original Message -- >>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE >>> >>> >>> Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside. Hard to couple to with >>> any efficiency. >>> >>> *From:* Adam Moffett >>> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE >>> >>> Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel. >>> a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners. >>> >>> >>> -- Original Message -- >>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com >>> To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> >>> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE >>> >>> >>> What does the CPE look like? >>> >>> *From:* Adam Moffett >>> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM >>> *To:* Animal Farm >>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE >>> >>> I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in
Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
Not sure there is anyone stopping it. Kinda hard to patent tower mounting hardware. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:51 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Or were you serious? If I have access to machine tools can I make licensed knockoffs of M-TOW? -- Original Message -- From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 9/30/2016 2:50:14 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Write it with a crayon on the back of your Burger King napkin. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 9/30/2016 2:49:34 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE I will sell you a license today! From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:31 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can eliminate the hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from the website and install your mtow On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for one-offs. -- Original Message -- From: "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we needed a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the antennas faster than a weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M made some heat shrink tubing that just fit over the size of tubing I was using. After heat shrinking the stick, we would dip the ends in "plastidip". Never had a leak. I wonder if you just needed to hand make a couple dipole or patch array antennas, if dipping them in plastidip wouldn't be a decent option. Obviously it would be labor and time intensive for production, but for a couple one-offs, why not? On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more difficult and expensive. Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Yup. They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to each other by traces. What about a cheaper external antenna? The price to beat is $120. -- Original Message ------ From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside. Hard to couple to with any efficiency. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel. a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE What does the CPE look like? From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce interference. Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR. Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax jumpers. A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers and the labor to seal them. I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now. If I could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice. I'd also just settle for a cheaper external antenna. Any brilliant ideas? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
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Or were you serious? If I have access to machine tools can I make licensed knockoffs of M-TOW? -- Original Message -- From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 9/30/2016 2:50:14 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Write it with a crayon on the back of your Burger King napkin. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 9/30/2016 2:49:34 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE I will sell you a license today! From:That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:31 PM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can eliminate the hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from the website and install your mtow On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for one-offs. -- Original Message -- From: "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we needed a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the antennas faster than a weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M made some heat shrink tubing that just fit over the size of tubing I was using. After heat shrinking the stick, we would dip the ends in "plastidip". Never had a leak. I wonder if you just needed to hand make a couple dipole or patch array antennas, if dipping them in plastidip wouldn't be a decent option. Obviously it would be labor and time intensive for production, but for a couple one-offs, why not? On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more difficult and expensive. Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+. From:Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Yup. They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to each other by traces. What about a cheaper external antenna? The price to beat is $120. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside. Hard to couple to with any efficiency. From:Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel. a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners. ------ Original Message ------ From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE What does the CPE look like? From:Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM To:Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce interference. Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR. Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax jumpers. A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers and the labor to seal them. I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now. If I could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice. I'd also just settle for a cheaper external antenna. Any brilliant ideas? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
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Write it with a crayon on the back of your Burger King napkin. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 9/30/2016 2:49:34 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE I will sell you a license today! From:That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:31 PM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can eliminate the hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from the website and install your mtow On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for one-offs. -- Original Message -- From: "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we needed a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the antennas faster than a weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M made some heat shrink tubing that just fit over the size of tubing I was using. After heat shrinking the stick, we would dip the ends in "plastidip". Never had a leak. I wonder if you just needed to hand make a couple dipole or patch array antennas, if dipping them in plastidip wouldn't be a decent option. Obviously it would be labor and time intensive for production, but for a couple one-offs, why not? On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more difficult and expensive. Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+. From:Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Yup. They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to each other by traces. What about a cheaper external antenna? The price to beat is $120. -- Original Message ------ From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside. Hard to couple to with any efficiency. From:Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel. a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE What does the CPE look like? From:Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM To:Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce interference. Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR. Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax jumpers. A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers and the labor to seal them. I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now. If I could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice. I'd also just settle for a cheaper external antenna. Any brilliant ideas? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
I will sell you a license today! From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:31 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can eliminate the hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from the website and install your mtow On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for one-offs. -- Original Message -- From: "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we needed a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the antennas faster than a weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M made some heat shrink tubing that just fit over the size of tubing I was using. After heat shrinking the stick, we would dip the ends in "plastidip". Never had a leak. I wonder if you just needed to hand make a couple dipole or patch array antennas, if dipping them in plastidip wouldn't be a decent option. Obviously it would be labor and time intensive for production, but for a couple one-offs, why not? On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more difficult and expensive. Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Yup. They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to each other by traces. What about a cheaper external antenna? The price to beat is $120. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside. Hard to couple to with any efficiency. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel. a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE What does the CPE look like? From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce interference. Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR. Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax jumpers. A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers and the labor to seal them. I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now. If I could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice. I'd also just settle for a cheaper external antenna. Any brilliant ideas? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
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It needs to replicate something that tastes like ice cream but has the nutritional value of salad. -- Original Message -- From: "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 9/30/2016 2:33:40 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Listened to a Freakonomics podcast this morning (about moving toward a "cashless society"). Part of it they talked about the 24th century where you could get anything you wanted out of the replicator. I want plain tomato soup, hot. bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 9/30/2016 11:31 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can eliminate the hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from the website and install your mtow On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for one-offs. -- Original Message -- From: "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we needed a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the antennas faster than a weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M made some heat shrink tubing that just fit over the size of tubing I was using. After heat shrinking the stick, we would dip the ends in "plastidip". Never had a leak. I wonder if you just needed to hand make a couple dipole or patch array antennas, if dipping them in plastidip wouldn't be a decent option. Obviously it would be labor and time intensive for production, but for a couple one-offs, why not? On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more difficult and expensive. Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+. From:Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Yup. They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to each other by traces. What about a cheaper external antenna? The price to beat is $120. ------ Original Message ------ From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside. Hard to couple to with any efficiency. From:Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel. a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE What does the CPE look like? From:Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM To:Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce interference. Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR. Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax jumpers. A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers and the labor to seal them. I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now. If I could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice. I'd also just settle for a cheaper external antenna. Any brilliant ideas? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
Listened to a Freakonomics podcast this morning (about moving toward a "cashless society"). Part of it they talked about the 24th century where you could get anything you wanted out of the replicator. I want plain tomato soup, hot. bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 9/30/2016 11:31 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can eliminate the hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from the website and install your mtow On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote: Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for one-offs. -- Original Message -- From: "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com <mailto:cc...@wispmon.com>> To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>> Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we needed a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the antennas faster than a weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M made some heat shrink tubing that just fit over the size of tubing I was using. After heat shrinking the stick, we would dip the ends in "plastidip". Never had a leak. I wonder if you just needed to hand make a couple dipole or patch array antennas, if dipping them in plastidip wouldn't be a decent option. Obviously it would be labor and time intensive for production, but for a couple one-offs, why not? On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more difficult and expensive. Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+. *From:* Adam Moffett *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Yup. They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to each other by traces. What about a cheaper external antenna? The price to beat is $120. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside. Hard to couple to with any efficiency. *From:* Adam Moffett *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel. a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners. -- Original Message ------ From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE What does the CPE look like? *From:* Adam Moffett *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce interference. Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR. Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax jumpers. A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers and the labor to seal them. I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now. If I could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice. I'd also just settle for a cheaper external antenna. Any brilliant ideas? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
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i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can eliminate the hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from the website and install your mtow On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for one-offs. > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com> > To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> > Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE > > > When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we needed > a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the antennas faster > than a weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M made some heat shrink > tubing that just fit over the size of tubing I was using. After heat > shrinking the stick, we would dip the ends in "plastidip". Never had a > leak. I wonder if you just needed to hand make a couple dipole or patch > array antennas, if dipping them in plastidip wouldn't be a decent option. > Obviously it would be labor and time intensive for production, but for a > couple one-offs, why not? > > On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > >> The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more difficult >> and expensive. Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+. >> >> *From:* Adam Moffett >> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE >> >> Yup. They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to each >> other by traces. >> >> What about a cheaper external antenna? The price to beat is $120. >> >> >> >> -- Original Message -- >> From: ch...@wbmfg.com >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE >> >> >> Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside. Hard to couple to with >> any efficiency. >> >> *From:* Adam Moffett >> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE >> >> Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel. >> a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners. >> >> >> -- Original Message -- >> From: ch...@wbmfg.com >> To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> >> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE >> >> >> What does the CPE look like? >> >> *From:* Adam Moffett >> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM >> *To:* Animal Farm >> *Subject:* [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE >> >> I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce >> interference. Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out >> interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR. >> >> Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax >> jumpers. A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated >> panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers >> and the labor to seal them. >> >> I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now. If I >> could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice. I'd >> also just settle for a cheaper external antenna. >> >> Any brilliant ideas? >> >> >> > -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for one-offs. -- Original Message -- From: "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we needed a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the antennas faster than a weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M made some heat shrink tubing that just fit over the size of tubing I was using. After heat shrinking the stick, we would dip the ends in "plastidip". Never had a leak. I wonder if you just needed to hand make a couple dipole or patch array antennas, if dipping them in plastidip wouldn't be a decent option. Obviously it would be labor and time intensive for production, but for a couple one-offs, why not? On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more difficult and expensive. Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+. From:Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Yup. They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to each other by traces. What about a cheaper external antenna? The price to beat is $120. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside. Hard to couple to with any efficiency. From:Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel. a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE What does the CPE look like? From:Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM To:Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce interference. Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR. Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax jumpers. A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers and the labor to seal them. I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now. If I could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice. I'd also just settle for a cheaper external antenna. Any brilliant ideas?
Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we needed a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the antennas faster than a weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M made some heat shrink tubing that just fit over the size of tubing I was using. After heat shrinking the stick, we would dip the ends in "plastidip". Never had a leak. I wonder if you just needed to hand make a couple dipole or patch array antennas, if dipping them in plastidip wouldn't be a decent option. Obviously it would be labor and time intensive for production, but for a couple one-offs, why not? On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more difficult and > expensive. Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+. > > *From:* Adam Moffett > *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE > > Yup. They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to each > other by traces. > > What about a cheaper external antenna? The price to beat is $120. > > > > -- Original Message -- > From: ch...@wbmfg.com > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE > > > Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside. Hard to couple to with any > efficiency. > > *From:* Adam Moffett > *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE > > Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel. > a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners. > > > -- Original Message ------ > From: ch...@wbmfg.com > To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> > Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE > > > What does the CPE look like? > > *From:* Adam Moffett > *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM > *To:* Animal Farm > *Subject:* [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE > > I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce > interference. Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out > interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR. > > Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax > jumpers. A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated > panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers > and the labor to seal them. > > I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now. If I > could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice. I'd > also just settle for a cheaper external antenna. > > Any brilliant ideas? > > >
Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
Yup. There are even knockouts on the housing where the N connectors go. The issue is antennas better than the built-in one are all pretty expensive. In 5.8 I'd have probably a hundred options. So maybe more accurate to say "I hate 3.65". -- Original Message -- From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 9/30/2016 1:12:13 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE the cambium 320 cpes just have sma inside, probably the same on the telrads. when we were looking at external that was an option ala drill bit On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: I hate Wimax. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 9/30/2016 12:41:59 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more difficult and expensive. Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+. From:Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Yup. They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to each other by traces. What about a cheaper external antenna? The price to beat is $120. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside. Hard to couple to with any efficiency. From:Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel. a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners. -- Original Message ------ From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE What does the CPE look like? From:Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM To:Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce interference. Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR. Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax jumpers. A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers and the labor to seal them. I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now. If I could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice. I'd also just settle for a cheaper external antenna. Any brilliant ideas? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
the cambium 320 cpes just have sma inside, probably the same on the telrads. when we were looking at external that was an option ala drill bit On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > I hate Wimax. > > > -- Original Message -- > From: ch...@wbmfg.com > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: 9/30/2016 12:41:59 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE > > > The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more difficult and > expensive. Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+. > > *From:* Adam Moffett > *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE > > Yup. They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to each > other by traces. > > What about a cheaper external antenna? The price to beat is $120. > > > > -- Original Message -- > From: ch...@wbmfg.com > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE > > > Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside. Hard to couple to with any > efficiency. > > *From:* Adam Moffett > *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE > > Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel. > a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners. > > > -- Original Message -- > From: ch...@wbmfg.com > To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> > Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE > > > What does the CPE look like? > > *From:* Adam Moffett > *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM > *To:* Animal Farm > *Subject:* [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE > > I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce > interference. Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out > interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR. > > Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax > jumpers. A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated > panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers > and the labor to seal them. > > I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now. If I > could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice. I'd > also just settle for a cheaper external antenna. > > Any brilliant ideas? > > > -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
I hate Wimax. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 9/30/2016 12:41:59 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more difficult and expensive. Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+. From:Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Yup. They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to each other by traces. What about a cheaper external antenna? The price to beat is $120. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside. Hard to couple to with any efficiency. From:Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel. a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE What does the CPE look like? From:Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM To:Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce interference. Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR. Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax jumpers. A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers and the labor to seal them. I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now. If I could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice. I'd also just settle for a cheaper external antenna. Any brilliant ideas?
Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more difficult and expensive. Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Yup. They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to each other by traces. What about a cheaper external antenna? The price to beat is $120. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside. Hard to couple to with any efficiency. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel. a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE What does the CPE look like? From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce interference. Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR. Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax jumpers. A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers and the labor to seal them. I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now. If I could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice. I'd also just settle for a cheaper external antenna. Any brilliant ideas?
Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
Yup. They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to each other by traces. What about a cheaper external antenna? The price to beat is $120. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside. Hard to couple to with any efficiency. From:Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel. a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE What does the CPE look like? From:Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM To:Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce interference. Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR. Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax jumpers. A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers and the labor to seal them. I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now. If I could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice. I'd also just settle for a cheaper external antenna. Any brilliant ideas?
Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
The external antenna version is the exact same housing, but with a pair of N connectors protruding on the side opposite from the cable glands. -- Original Message -- From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 9/30/2016 12:34:57 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel. a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE What does the CPE look like? From:Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM To:Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce interference. Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR. Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax jumpers. A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers and the labor to seal them. I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now. If I could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice. I'd also just settle for a cheaper external antenna. Any brilliant ideas?
Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside. Hard to couple to with any efficiency. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel. a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE What does the CPE look like? From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce interference. Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR. Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax jumpers. A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers and the labor to seal them. I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now. If I could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice. I'd also just settle for a cheaper external antenna. Any brilliant ideas?
Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
I don't have the know-how required. -- Original Message -- From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 9/30/2016 12:32:13 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE Make one? On Sep 30, 2016 11:29 AM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce interference. Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR. Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax jumpers. A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers and the labor to seal them. I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now. If I could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice. I'd also just settle for a cheaper external antenna. Any brilliant ideas?
Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel. a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE What does the CPE look like? From:Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM To:Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce interference. Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR. Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax jumpers. A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers and the labor to seal them. I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now. If I could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice. I'd also just settle for a cheaper external antenna. Any brilliant ideas?
Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
What does the CPE look like? From: Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce interference. Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR. Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax jumpers. A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers and the labor to seal them. I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now. If I could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice. I'd also just settle for a cheaper external antenna. Any brilliant ideas?
Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
Make one? On Sep 30, 2016 11:29 AM, "Adam Moffett"wrote: > I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce > interference. Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out > interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR. > > Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax > jumpers. A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated > panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers > and the labor to seal them. > > I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now. If I > could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice. I'd > also just settle for a cheaper external antenna. > > Any brilliant ideas? > >
[AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce interference. Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR. Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax jumpers. A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers and the labor to seal them. I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now. If I could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice. I'd also just settle for a cheaper external antenna. Any brilliant ideas?