Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
Okay, so something similar to a traditional IPTV deployment? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Adam Moffett" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, April 16, 2018 10:37:08 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Singularity is an integrator. Sort of like how Ipifony operates for phones. They'll set you up with content providers, head end equipment, and so on. You'd end up paying bills to several people. Singularity provides a software system that ties it all together for provisioning customers and set top boxes. Basically you have a very high amount of freedom to design your own TV packages, and they enabled the highest profit margin of any of the people I've talked to. Setup cost is six figures. Definitely a contender if you have the initial cash and the customer base to ensure a return. -- Original Message -- From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > To: af@afmug.com Sent: 4/15/2018 5:53:52 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV How did that go? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 3:39:59 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV I also just found out about another outfit called Singularity TV. I have a call with them next week. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/23/2018 4:36:28 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV >I know the RealChoice guys personally. I trust them. I was involved >in the beginning of that product and it was pretty good them. I am >sure it is much better now. > >-Original Message- From: Clint Wiley >Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:39 PM >To: af@afmug.com >Subject: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > >Hi, > >I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If >so, are any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the >wholesale provider? Can any of you provide feedback, thoughts, >experiences, etc. on either provider? > >Thanks, >_ >Clint Wiley >Hagerstown Fiber Internet >
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Singularity is an integrator. Sort of like how Ipifony operates for phones. They'll set you up with content providers, head end equipment, and so on. You'd end up paying bills to several people. Singularity provides a software system that ties it all together for provisioning customers and set top boxes. Basically you have a very high amount of freedom to design your own TV packages, and they enabled the highest profit margin of any of the people I've talked to. Setup cost is six figures. Definitely a contender if you have the initial cash and the customer base to ensure a return. -- Original Message -- From: "Mike Hammett" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 4/15/2018 5:53:52 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV How did that go? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> From: "Adam Moffett" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 3:39:59 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV I also just found out about another outfit called Singularity TV. I have a call with them next week. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/23/2018 4:36:28 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV >I know the RealChoice guys personally. I trust them. I was involved >in the beginning of that product and it was pretty good them. I am >sure it is much better now. > >-Original Message----- From: Clint Wiley >Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:39 PM >To: af@afmug.com >Subject: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > >Hi, > >I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If >so, are any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the >wholesale provider? Can any of you provide feedback, thoughts, >experiences, etc. on either provider? > >Thanks, >_ >Clint Wiley >Hagerstown Fiber Internet >
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Hey, Yes we’re in Hagerstown. I’m not on the MD coop fiber but would be happy to talk about our options. Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet On Apr 15, 2018, at 7:07 PM, Carl Peterson mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote: Hey Clint, Are you in Hagerstown MD? We're also looking at adding realchoice and already have a 10G wave into DC2 to TPT Baltimore. Not sure if your on the Maryland BB coop fiber but if so it might be easy to work something out. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 15, 2018, at 5:58 PM, Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote: How has Viva panned out? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> From: "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 10:12:48 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV We are doing Viva and WISPs will be able to sign up on it Monday with commissions. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Clint Wiley Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:39 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Hi, I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If so, are any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the wholesale provider? Can any of you provide feedback, thoughts, experiences, etc. on either provider? Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet
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Hey Clint, Are you in Hagerstown MD? We're also looking at adding realchoice and already have a 10G wave into DC2 to TPT Baltimore. Not sure if your on the Maryland BB coop fiber but if so it might be easy to work something out. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 15, 2018, at 5:58 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > How has Viva panned out? > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > > From: "Rory Conaway" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 10:12:48 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > > We are doing Viva and WISPs will be able to sign up on it Monday with > commissions. > > Rory > > -Original Message- > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Clint Wiley > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:39 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > > Hi, > > I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If so, are > any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the wholesale provider? > Can any of you provide feedback, thoughts, experiences, etc. on either > provider? > > Thanks, > _ > Clint Wiley > Hagerstown Fiber Internet > >
Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
How has Viva panned out? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Rory Conaway" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 10:12:48 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV We are doing Viva and WISPs will be able to sign up on it Monday with commissions. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Clint Wiley Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Hi, I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If so, are any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the wholesale provider? Can any of you provide feedback, thoughts, experiences, etc. on either provider? Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet
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How did that go? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Adam Moffett" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 3:39:59 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV I also just found out about another outfit called Singularity TV. I have a call with them next week. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/23/2018 4:36:28 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV >I know the RealChoice guys personally. I trust them. I was involved >in the beginning of that product and it was pretty good them. I am >sure it is much better now. > >-Original Message- From: Clint Wiley >Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:39 PM >To: af@afmug.com >Subject: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > >Hi, > >I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If >so, are any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the >wholesale provider? Can any of you provide feedback, thoughts, >experiences, etc. on either provider? > >Thanks, >_ >Clint Wiley >Hagerstown Fiber Internet >
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Sometimes that's easier said than done. -- Original Message -- From: "Adair Winter" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/25/2018 2:24:30 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Matt, It's not rocket science, move in to a real data center that has decent connectivity and you can too can get access to these things. On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 1:04 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: How are people getting direct fiber feeds for $100/month? Clearly I need to stop by your booth and see what has changed since we last talked. On Feb 25, 2018, at 13:43, Layne Sisk wrote: Chuck, We should talk. We have so many more connection points now it is pretty easy and cheap to connect to us. Most connections now are between $100 and $600. -Layne Sent from my iPhone, so please excuse any misspelled words or embarrassing auto-corrects! On Feb 24, 2018, at 12:29 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com" wrote: Layne, what is the real world chance of anyone discovering that you are transporting to one of use via VPN? I think the chance is low. Then if discovered, what is the chance that the programmers will care? When I was working with Dallas, I had quite a few of them agreeing to the VPN method. How about this, you sell to me, I take delivery in a data center very close to you. Then what I do to transport to the edge server is my business... right? From:Layne Sisk Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 10:19 PM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV When they do you won’t be able to resell it, they will just sell it to your customers and you won’t make anything. Layne Sisk ServerPlus 801.426.8283, ext 102 <http://www.serverplus.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ServerPlus365/> <https://twitter.com/RealServerPlus> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:40 PM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV That's how technology is. Until DirecTV, Google, Sony, etc. get full line-ups OTT, you're not going to find something you can sell that's going to have a full line-up. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> -------------------- From: "Clint Wiley" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:01:32 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV That’s actually a good point. This is a rapidly moving area. I don’t want to choose the wrong technology/solution. Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet On Feb 23, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: The statement of the week... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> From: "Matt Hoppes" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:04:40 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Maybe. Time will tell. On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:46, Mike Hammett wrote: I think those that go over the public Internet don't have nearly the same lineup. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <ht
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I do. This discussion is skewing. We peer in Pittsburgh, Philli and Atlanta That doesn’t mean squat. I still have cross connect fees and other fees involved. It isn’t as simple or cheap as it’s made out to sound. > On Feb 25, 2018, at 15:37, Adair Winter wrote: > > That really isn't real choice's fault. > As an ISP you should probably already have a landing point in a data center > somewhere. > >> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Matt Hoppes >> wrote: >> Sure. But it doesn’t matter what data center you’re in. You’re not getting a >> Gigabit connection back to your NOC for $100/month. >> >>> On Feb 25, 2018, at 14:24, Adair Winter wrote: >>> >>> Matt, >>> It's not rocket science, move in to a real data center that has decent >>> connectivity and you can too can get access to these things. >>> >>>> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 1:04 PM, Matt Hoppes >>>> wrote: >>>> How are people getting direct fiber feeds for $100/month? >>>> >>>> Clearly I need to stop by your booth and see what has changed since we >>>> last talked. >>>> >>>>> On Feb 25, 2018, at 13:43, Layne Sisk wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Chuck, >>>>> We should talk. We have so many more connection points now it is >>>>> pretty easy and cheap to connect to us. Most connections now are between >>>>> $100 and $600. >>>>> >>>>> -Layne >>>>> Sent from my iPhone, so please excuse any misspelled words or >>>>> embarrassing auto-corrects! >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 24, 2018, at 12:29 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com" wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Layne, what is the real world chance of anyone discovering that you are >>>>>> transporting to one of use via VPN? >>>>>> >>>>>> I think the chance is low. >>>>>> Then if discovered, what is the chance that the programmers will care? >>>>>> >>>>>> When I was working with Dallas, I had quite a few of them agreeing to >>>>>> the VPN method. >>>>>> >>>>>> How about this, you sell to me, I take delivery in a data center very >>>>>> close to you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Then what I do to transport to the edge server is my business... >>>>>> right? >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Layne Sisk >>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 10:19 PM >>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV >>>>>> >>>>>> When they do you won’t be able to resell it, they will just sell it to >>>>>> your customers and you won’t make anything. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Layne Sisk >>>>>> >>>>>> ServerPlus >>>>>> >>>>>> 801.426.8283, ext 102 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett >>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:40 PM >>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> That's how technology is. >>>>>> >>>>>> Until DirecTV, Google, Sony, etc. get full line-ups OTT, you're not >>>>>> going to find something you can sell that's going to have a full line-up. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> - >>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>> >>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>>>> >>>>>> The Brothers WISP >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: "Clint Wiley" >>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>> Sent
Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
Might not be their fault, but it still adds to the cost and that cost still must be justified as part of the analysis for or against using Real Choice. Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet On Feb 25, 2018, at 3:37 PM, Adair Winter mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote: That really isn't real choice's fault. As an ISP you should probably already have a landing point in a data center somewhere. On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote: Sure. But it doesn’t matter what data center you’re in. You’re not getting a Gigabit connection back to your NOC for $100/month. On Feb 25, 2018, at 14:24, Adair Winter mailto:ada...@amarillowireless.net>> wrote: Matt, It's not rocket science, move in to a real data center that has decent connectivity and you can too can get access to these things. On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 1:04 PM, Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote: How are people getting direct fiber feeds for $100/month? Clearly I need to stop by your booth and see what has changed since we last talked. On Feb 25, 2018, at 13:43, Layne Sisk mailto:la...@serverplus.com>> wrote: Chuck, We should talk. We have so many more connection points now it is pretty easy and cheap to connect to us. Most connections now are between $100 and $600. -Layne Sent from my iPhone, so please excuse any misspelled words or embarrassing auto-corrects! On Feb 24, 2018, at 12:29 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: Layne, what is the real world chance of anyone discovering that you are transporting to one of use via VPN? I think the chance is low. Then if discovered, what is the chance that the programmers will care? When I was working with Dallas, I had quite a few of them agreeing to the VPN method. How about this, you sell to me, I take delivery in a data center very close to you. Then what I do to transport to the edge server is my business... right? From: Layne Sisk Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 10:19 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV When they do you won’t be able to resell it, they will just sell it to your customers and you won’t make anything. Layne Sisk ServerPlus 801.426.8283, ext 102 <http://www.serverplus.com/> [http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png] [http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ServerPlus365/> [http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png]<https://twitter.com/RealServerPlus> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:40 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV That's how technology is. Until DirecTV, Google, Sony, etc. get full line-ups OTT, you're not going to find something you can sell that's going to have a full line-up. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> From: "Clint Wiley" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:01:32 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV That’s actually a good point. This is a rapidly moving area. I don’t want to choose the wrong technology/solution. Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet On Feb 23, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: The statement of the week... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitte
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That really isn't real choice's fault. As an ISP you should probably already have a landing point in a data center somewhere. On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Matt Hoppes < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: > Sure. But it doesn’t matter what data center you’re in. You’re not getting > a Gigabit connection back to your NOC for $100/month. > > On Feb 25, 2018, at 14:24, Adair Winter > wrote: > > Matt, > It's not rocket science, move in to a real data center that has decent > connectivity and you can too can get access to these things. > > On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 1:04 PM, Matt Hoppes rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: > >> How are people getting direct fiber feeds for $100/month? >> >> Clearly I need to stop by your booth and see what has changed since we >> last talked. >> >> On Feb 25, 2018, at 13:43, Layne Sisk wrote: >> >> Chuck, >> We should talk. We have so many more connection points now it is >> pretty easy and cheap to connect to us. Most connections now are between >> $100 and $600. >> >> -Layne >> Sent from my iPhone, so please excuse any misspelled words or >> embarrassing auto-corrects! >> >> On Feb 24, 2018, at 12:29 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com" wrote: >> >> Layne, what is the real world chance of anyone discovering that you are >> transporting to one of use via VPN? >> >> I think the chance is low. >> Then if discovered, what is the chance that the programmers will care? >> >> When I was working with Dallas, I had quite a few of them agreeing to the >> VPN method. >> >> How about this, you sell to me, I take delivery in a data center very >> close to you. >> >> Then what I do to transport to the edge server is my business... >> right? >> >> *From:* Layne Sisk >> *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2018 10:19 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV >> >> >> When they do you won’t be able to resell it, they will just sell it to >> your customers and you won’t make anything. >> >> >> >> Layne Sisk >> >> ServerPlus >> >> 801.426.8283, ext 102 >> >> <http://www.serverplus.com/> >> >> [image: http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png] >> >> [image: http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png] >> <https://www.facebook.com/ServerPlus365/> >> >> [image: http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png] >> <https://twitter.com/RealServerPlus> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On >> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett >> *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2018 6:40 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV >> >> >> >> That's how technology is. >> >> Until DirecTV, Google, Sony, etc. get full line-ups OTT, you're not going >> to find something you can sell that's going to have a full line-up. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> -- >> >> *From: *"Clint Wiley" >> *To: *af@afmug.com >> *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 6:01:32 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV >> >> That’s actually a good point. This is a rapidly moving area. I don’t want >> to choose the wrong technology/solution. >> >> Thanks, >> _ >> Clint Wiley >> Hagerstown Fiber Internet >> >> >> >> >> On Feb 23, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> >> The statement of the week... >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSol
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Sure. But it doesn’t matter what data center you’re in. You’re not getting a Gigabit connection back to your NOC for $100/month. > On Feb 25, 2018, at 14:24, Adair Winter wrote: > > Matt, > It's not rocket science, move in to a real data center that has decent > connectivity and you can too can get access to these things. > >> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 1:04 PM, Matt Hoppes >> wrote: >> How are people getting direct fiber feeds for $100/month? >> >> Clearly I need to stop by your booth and see what has changed since we last >> talked. >> >>> On Feb 25, 2018, at 13:43, Layne Sisk wrote: >>> >>> Chuck, >>> We should talk. We have so many more connection points now it is >>> pretty easy and cheap to connect to us. Most connections now are between >>> $100 and $600. >>> >>> -Layne >>> Sent from my iPhone, so please excuse any misspelled words or embarrassing >>> auto-corrects! >>> >>> On Feb 24, 2018, at 12:29 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com" wrote: >>> >>>> Layne, what is the real world chance of anyone discovering that you are >>>> transporting to one of use via VPN? >>>> >>>> I think the chance is low. >>>> Then if discovered, what is the chance that the programmers will care? >>>> >>>> When I was working with Dallas, I had quite a few of them agreeing to the >>>> VPN method. >>>> >>>> How about this, you sell to me, I take delivery in a data center very >>>> close to you. >>>> >>>> Then what I do to transport to the edge server is my business... right? >>>> >>>> From: Layne Sisk >>>> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 10:19 PM >>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV >>>> >>>> When they do you won’t be able to resell it, they will just sell it to >>>> your customers and you won’t make anything. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Layne Sisk >>>> >>>> ServerPlus >>>> >>>> 801.426.8283, ext 102 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett >>>> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:40 PM >>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> That's how technology is. >>>> >>>> Until DirecTV, Google, Sony, etc. get full line-ups OTT, you're not going >>>> to find something you can sell that's going to have a full line-up. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>> >>>> The Brothers WISP >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: "Clint Wiley" >>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:01:32 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV >>>> >>>> That’s actually a good point. This is a rapidly moving area. I don’t want >>>> to choose the wrong technology/solution. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> _ >>>> Clint Wiley >>>> Hagerstown Fiber Internet >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Feb 23, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: >>>> >>>> The statement of the week... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>> >>>> The Brothers WISP >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: "Matt Hoppes" >>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:04:40 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV >>>> >>>> Maybe. Time will tell. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:46, Mike Ha
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Might I suggest an entry on PeeringDB.com? There you can list your AS and then mark down all of the facilities you're in as well as IXes you are on. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chris Fabien" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2018 1:23:36 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Layne can you share a list of connection points to the list? Have you changed pricing at all since you and I talked last? Thanks Chris On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 1:43 PM, Layne Sisk < la...@serverplus.com > wrote: Chuck, We should talk. We have so many more connection points now it is pretty easy and cheap to connect to us. Most connections now are between $100 and $600. -Layne Sent from my iPhone, so please excuse any misspelled words or embarrassing auto-corrects! On Feb 24, 2018, at 12:29 PM, " ch...@wbmfg.com " < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: Layne, what is the real world chance of anyone discovering that you are transporting to one of use via VPN? I think the chance is low. Then if discovered, what is the chance that the programmers will care? When I was working with Dallas, I had quite a few of them agreeing to the VPN method. How about this, you sell to me, I take delivery in a data center very close to you. Then what I do to transport to the edge server is my business... right? From: Layne Sisk Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 10:19 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV When they do you won’t be able to resell it, they will just sell it to your customers and you won’t make anything. Layne Sisk ServerPlus 801.426.8283, ext 102 http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:40 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV That's how technology is. Until DirecTV, Google, Sony, etc. get full line-ups OTT, you're not going to find something you can sell that's going to have a full line-up. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Clint Wiley" < cl...@hagerstownfiber.com > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:01:32 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV That’s actually a good point. This is a rapidly moving area. I don’t want to choose the wrong technology/solution. Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet On Feb 23, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: The statement of the week... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Matt Hoppes" < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:04:40 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Maybe. Time will tell. On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:46, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: I think those that go over the public Internet don't have nearly the same lineup. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:16:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Well, the are all allowing all the other streamers to deliver it via the public internet, why not RCTV? Does not seem fair to discriminate against the smaller companies like this. -Original Message----- From: Clint Wiley Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 3:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV I agree that a VPN makes plenty of sense. I get why they do it but it adds an expense that may take me a good bit of time to recover. Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet > On Feb 23, 2018, at 4:56 PM, " ch...@wbmfg.com " < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: > > That is not by choice. The content providers all have a different > tolerance as to how their product is piped around. RealChoice could drop > it and probably ship the product over the public internet and never get > caught, however they risk losing channels if they ever get caught. > > Not sure what their current deal is, when I was working with them I was > trying to get the programmers to allow content via VPN or VLAN over VPN > (silly, right) over the public internet. Some of them were OK with it. > > -----Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:46 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > > Re
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Matt, We received a transport quote for 1g ethernet for $400 monthly to real choice. I'm working to see if I can get it even lower. If you're in any on-net datacenter there's a good chance the cost is much lower than a year ago. On Feb 25, 2018 1:04 PM, "Matt Hoppes" wrote: > How are people getting direct fiber feeds for $100/month? > > Clearly I need to stop by your booth and see what has changed since we > last talked. > > On Feb 25, 2018, at 13:43, Layne Sisk wrote: > > Chuck, > We should talk. We have so many more connection points now it is > pretty easy and cheap to connect to us. Most connections now are between > $100 and $600. > > -Layne > Sent from my iPhone, so please excuse any misspelled words or embarrassing > auto-corrects! > > On Feb 24, 2018, at 12:29 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com" wrote: > > Layne, what is the real world chance of anyone discovering that you are > transporting to one of use via VPN? > > I think the chance is low. > Then if discovered, what is the chance that the programmers will care? > > When I was working with Dallas, I had quite a few of them agreeing to the > VPN method. > > How about this, you sell to me, I take delivery in a data center very > close to you. > > Then what I do to transport to the edge server is my business... right....? > > *From:* Layne Sisk > *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2018 10:19 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > > > When they do you won’t be able to resell it, they will just sell it to > your customers and you won’t make anything. > > > > Layne Sisk > > ServerPlus > > 801.426.8283, ext 102 > > <http://www.serverplus.com/> > > [image: http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png] > > [image: http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png] > <https://www.facebook.com/ServerPlus365/> > > [image: http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png] > <https://twitter.com/RealServerPlus> > > > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2018 6:40 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > > > > That's how technology is. > > Until DirecTV, Google, Sony, etc. get full line-ups OTT, you're not going > to find something you can sell that's going to have a full line-up. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > > *From: *"Clint Wiley" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 6:01:32 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > > That’s actually a good point. This is a rapidly moving area. I don’t want > to choose the wrong technology/solution. > > Thanks, > _ > Clint Wiley > Hagerstown Fiber Internet > > > > > On Feb 23, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > The statement of the week... > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > > *From: *"Matt Hoppes" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 5:04:40 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > > Maybe. Time will tell. > > > On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:46, Mike Hammett wrote: > > I think those that go over
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Watch for a promo coming from Fusion this month :) -Layne Sent from my iPhone, so please excuse any misspelled words or embarrassing auto-corrects! On Feb 25, 2018, at 12:06 PM, Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote: How are people getting direct fiber feeds for $100/month? Clearly I need to stop by your booth and see what has changed since we last talked. On Feb 25, 2018, at 13:43, Layne Sisk mailto:la...@serverplus.com>> wrote: Chuck, We should talk. We have so many more connection points now it is pretty easy and cheap to connect to us. Most connections now are between $100 and $600. -Layne Sent from my iPhone, so please excuse any misspelled words or embarrassing auto-corrects! On Feb 24, 2018, at 12:29 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: Layne, what is the real world chance of anyone discovering that you are transporting to one of use via VPN? I think the chance is low. Then if discovered, what is the chance that the programmers will care? When I was working with Dallas, I had quite a few of them agreeing to the VPN method. How about this, you sell to me, I take delivery in a data center very close to you. Then what I do to transport to the edge server is my business... right? From: Layne Sisk Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 10:19 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV When they do you won’t be able to resell it, they will just sell it to your customers and you won’t make anything. Layne Sisk ServerPlus 801.426.8283, ext 102 <http://www.serverplus.com/> [http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png] [http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ServerPlus365/> [http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png]<https://twitter.com/RealServerPlus> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:40 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV That's how technology is. Until DirecTV, Google, Sony, etc. get full line-ups OTT, you're not going to find something you can sell that's going to have a full line-up. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ________ From: "Clint Wiley" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:01:32 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV That’s actually a good point. This is a rapidly moving area. I don’t want to choose the wrong technology/solution. Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet On Feb 23, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: The statement of the week... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> From: "Matt Hoppes" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:04:40 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealCh
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Matt, It's not rocket science, move in to a real data center that has decent connectivity and you can too can get access to these things. On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 1:04 PM, Matt Hoppes < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: > How are people getting direct fiber feeds for $100/month? > > Clearly I need to stop by your booth and see what has changed since we > last talked. > > On Feb 25, 2018, at 13:43, Layne Sisk wrote: > > Chuck, > We should talk. We have so many more connection points now it is > pretty easy and cheap to connect to us. Most connections now are between > $100 and $600. > > -Layne > Sent from my iPhone, so please excuse any misspelled words or embarrassing > auto-corrects! > > On Feb 24, 2018, at 12:29 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com" wrote: > > Layne, what is the real world chance of anyone discovering that you are > transporting to one of use via VPN? > > I think the chance is low. > Then if discovered, what is the chance that the programmers will care? > > When I was working with Dallas, I had quite a few of them agreeing to the > VPN method. > > How about this, you sell to me, I take delivery in a data center very > close to you. > > Then what I do to transport to the edge server is my business... right? > > *From:* Layne Sisk > *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2018 10:19 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > > > When they do you won’t be able to resell it, they will just sell it to > your customers and you won’t make anything. > > > > Layne Sisk > > ServerPlus > > 801.426.8283, ext 102 > > <http://www.serverplus.com/> > > [image: http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png] > > [image: http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png] > <https://www.facebook.com/ServerPlus365/> > > [image: http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png] > <https://twitter.com/RealServerPlus> > > > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2018 6:40 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > > > > That's how technology is. > > Until DirecTV, Google, Sony, etc. get full line-ups OTT, you're not going > to find something you can sell that's going to have a full line-up. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > > *From: *"Clint Wiley" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 6:01:32 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > > That’s actually a good point. This is a rapidly moving area. I don’t want > to choose the wrong technology/solution. > > Thanks, > _ > Clint Wiley > Hagerstown Fiber Internet > > > > > On Feb 23, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > The statement of the week... > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > > *From: *"Matt Hoppes" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 5:04:40 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > > Maybe. Time will tell. > > > On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:46, Mike Hammett wrote: > > I think those that go over the public Internet don't have ne
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Layne can you share a list of connection points to the list? Have you changed pricing at all since you and I talked last? Thanks Chris On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 1:43 PM, Layne Sisk wrote: > Chuck, > We should talk. We have so many more connection points now it is > pretty easy and cheap to connect to us. Most connections now are between > $100 and $600. > > -Layne > Sent from my iPhone, so please excuse any misspelled words or embarrassing > auto-corrects! > > On Feb 24, 2018, at 12:29 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com" wrote: > > Layne, what is the real world chance of anyone discovering that you are > transporting to one of use via VPN? > > I think the chance is low. > Then if discovered, what is the chance that the programmers will care? > > When I was working with Dallas, I had quite a few of them agreeing to the > VPN method. > > How about this, you sell to me, I take delivery in a data center very > close to you. > > Then what I do to transport to the edge server is my business... right? > > *From:* Layne Sisk > *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2018 10:19 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > > > When they do you won’t be able to resell it, they will just sell it to > your customers and you won’t make anything. > > > > Layne Sisk > > ServerPlus > > 801.426.8283, ext 102 > > <http://www.serverplus.com/> > > [image: http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png] > > [image: http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png] > <https://www.facebook.com/ServerPlus365/> > > [image: http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png] > <https://twitter.com/RealServerPlus> > > > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2018 6:40 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > > > > That's how technology is. > > Until DirecTV, Google, Sony, etc. get full line-ups OTT, you're not going > to find something you can sell that's going to have a full line-up. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > > *From: *"Clint Wiley" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 6:01:32 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > > That’s actually a good point. This is a rapidly moving area. I don’t want > to choose the wrong technology/solution. > > Thanks, > _ > Clint Wiley > Hagerstown Fiber Internet > > > > > On Feb 23, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > The statement of the week... > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > > *From: *"Matt Hoppes" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 5:04:40 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > > Maybe. Time will tell. > > > On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:46, Mike Hammett wrote: > > I think those that go over the public Internet don't have nearly the same > lineup. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intellige
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How are people getting direct fiber feeds for $100/month? Clearly I need to stop by your booth and see what has changed since we last talked. > On Feb 25, 2018, at 13:43, Layne Sisk wrote: > > Chuck, > We should talk. We have so many more connection points now it is > pretty easy and cheap to connect to us. Most connections now are between > $100 and $600. > > -Layne > Sent from my iPhone, so please excuse any misspelled words or embarrassing > auto-corrects! > > On Feb 24, 2018, at 12:29 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com" wrote: > >> Layne, what is the real world chance of anyone discovering that you are >> transporting to one of use via VPN? >> >> I think the chance is low. >> Then if discovered, what is the chance that the programmers will care? >> >> When I was working with Dallas, I had quite a few of them agreeing to the >> VPN method. >> >> How about this, you sell to me, I take delivery in a data center very close >> to you. >> >> Then what I do to transport to the edge server is my business... right....? >> >> From: Layne Sisk >> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 10:19 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV >> >> When they do you won’t be able to resell it, they will just sell it to your >> customers and you won’t make anything. >> >> Layne Sisk >> ServerPlus >> 801.426.8283, ext 102 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett >> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:40 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV >> >> That's how technology is. >> >> Until DirecTV, Google, Sony, etc. get full line-ups OTT, you're not going to >> find something you can sell that's going to have a full line-up. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> >> Midwest Internet Exchange >> >> The Brothers WISP >> >> >> >> From: "Clint Wiley" >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:01:32 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV >> >> That’s actually a good point. This is a rapidly moving area. I don’t want to >> choose the wrong technology/solution. >> >> Thanks, >> _ >> Clint Wiley >> Hagerstown Fiber Internet >> >> >> On Feb 23, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> >> The statement of the week... >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> >> Midwest Internet Exchange >> >> The Brothers WISP >> >> >> >> From: "Matt Hoppes" >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:04:40 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV >> >> Maybe. Time will tell. >> >> On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:46, Mike Hammett wrote: >> >> I think those that go over the public Internet don't have nearly the same >> lineup. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> >> Midwest Internet Exchange >> >> The Brothers WISP >> >> >> >> From: ch...@wbmfg.com >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:16:50 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV >> >> Well, the are all allowing all the other streamers to deliver it via the >> public internet, why not RCTV? >> >> Does not seem fair to discriminate against the smaller companies like this. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Clint Wiley >> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 3:12 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV >> >> I agree that a VPN makes plenty of sense. I get why they do it but it adds >> an expense that may take me a good bit of time to recover. >> >> Thanks, >> _ >> >> Clint Wiley >> Hagerstown Fiber Internet >> >> > On Feb 23, 2018, at 4:56 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com" wrote: >> > >> > That is not by choice. The content providers all have a different >> > tolerance as to how their product is piped around. RealChoice could drop >> > it and probably ship the product over the public internet and never get >> &g
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Chuck, We should talk. We have so many more connection points now it is pretty easy and cheap to connect to us. Most connections now are between $100 and $600. -Layne Sent from my iPhone, so please excuse any misspelled words or embarrassing auto-corrects! On Feb 24, 2018, at 12:29 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: Layne, what is the real world chance of anyone discovering that you are transporting to one of use via VPN? I think the chance is low. Then if discovered, what is the chance that the programmers will care? When I was working with Dallas, I had quite a few of them agreeing to the VPN method. How about this, you sell to me, I take delivery in a data center very close to you. Then what I do to transport to the edge server is my business... right? From: Layne Sisk Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 10:19 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV When they do you won’t be able to resell it, they will just sell it to your customers and you won’t make anything. Layne Sisk ServerPlus 801.426.8283, ext 102 <http://www.serverplus.com/> [http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png] [http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ServerPlus365/> [http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png]<https://twitter.com/RealServerPlus> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:40 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV That's how technology is. Until DirecTV, Google, Sony, etc. get full line-ups OTT, you're not going to find something you can sell that's going to have a full line-up. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ________________ From: "Clint Wiley" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:01:32 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV That’s actually a good point. This is a rapidly moving area. I don’t want to choose the wrong technology/solution. Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet On Feb 23, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: The statement of the week... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> From: "Matt Hoppes" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:04:40 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Maybe. Time will tell. On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:46, Mike Hammett wrote: I think those that go over the public Internet don't have nearly the same lineup. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinic
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Not that I’m the gospel of TV - but I know how they are getting their feeds and it’s on the up and up. > On Feb 24, 2018, at 19:03, Rory Conaway wrote: > > Matt just emailed me and said that the way Viva was set up was fine. > > Rory > > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com > Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 12:27 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > > Layne, what is the real world chance of anyone discovering that you are > transporting to one of use via VPN? > > I think the chance is low. > Then if discovered, what is the chance that the programmers will care? > > When I was working with Dallas, I had quite a few of them agreeing to the VPN > method. > > How about this, you sell to me, I take delivery in a data center very close > to you. > > Then what I do to transport to the edge server is my business... right? > > From: Layne Sisk > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 10:19 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > > When they do you won’t be able to resell it, they will just sell it to your > customers and you won’t make anything. > > Layne Sisk > ServerPlus > 801.426.8283, ext 102 > > > > > > > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:40 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > > That's how technology is. > > Until DirecTV, Google, Sony, etc. get full line-ups OTT, you're not going to > find something you can sell that's going to have a full line-up. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > From: "Clint Wiley" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:01:32 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > > That’s actually a good point. This is a rapidly moving area. I don’t want to > choose the wrong technology/solution. > > Thanks, > _ > Clint Wiley > Hagerstown Fiber Internet > > > On Feb 23, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > The statement of the week... > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > From: "Matt Hoppes" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:04:40 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > > Maybe. Time will tell. > > On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:46, Mike Hammett wrote: > > I think those that go over the public Internet don't have nearly the same > lineup. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > From: ch...@wbmfg.com > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:16:50 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > > Well, the are all allowing all the other streamers to deliver it via the > public internet, why not RCTV? > > Does not seem fair to discriminate against the smaller companies like this. > > -Original Message- > From: Clint Wiley > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 3:12 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > > I agree that a VPN makes plenty of sense. I get why they do it but it adds > an expense that may take me a good bit of time to recover. > > Thanks, > _ > > Clint Wiley > Hagerstown Fiber Internet > > > On Feb 23, 2018, at 4:56 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com" wrote: > > > > That is not by choice. The content providers all have a different > > tolerance as to how their product is piped around. RealChoice could drop > > it and probably ship the product over the public internet and never get > > caught, however they risk losing channels if they ever get caught. > > > > Not sure what their current deal is, when I was working with them I was > > trying to get the programmers to allow content via VPN or VLAN over VPN > > (silly, right) over the public internet. Some of them were OK with it. > > > > -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes > > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:46 PM > > To: af@afmug.com > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > > > > RealChoice would be a great option if they would drop their private line > > requirement. > > > >> On Feb 23, 2018, at 15:39, Clint Wiley wrote: > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If so, > >> are any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the wholesale > >> provider? Can any of you provide feedback, thoughts, experiences, etc. on > >> either provider? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> _ > >> Clint Wiley > >> Hagerstown Fiber Internet > > > >
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Matt just emailed me and said that the way Viva was set up was fine. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 12:27 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Layne, what is the real world chance of anyone discovering that you are transporting to one of use via VPN? I think the chance is low. Then if discovered, what is the chance that the programmers will care? When I was working with Dallas, I had quite a few of them agreeing to the VPN method. How about this, you sell to me, I take delivery in a data center very close to you. Then what I do to transport to the edge server is my business... right? From: Layne Sisk Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 10:19 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV When they do you won’t be able to resell it, they will just sell it to your customers and you won’t make anything. Layne Sisk ServerPlus 801.426.8283, ext 102 [New logo xl]<http://www.serverplus.com/> [http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png] [http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ServerPlus365/> [http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png]<https://twitter.com/RealServerPlus> [Utah 100] [fast50-01] [Inc 5000] From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:40 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV That's how technology is. Until DirecTV, Google, Sony, etc. get full line-ups OTT, you're not going to find something you can sell that's going to have a full line-up. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> From: "Clint Wiley" mailto:cl...@hagerstownfiber.com>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:01:32 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV That’s actually a good point. This is a rapidly moving area. I don’t want to choose the wrong technology/solution. Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet On Feb 23, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote: The statement of the week... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ____ From: "Matt Hoppes" mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:04:40 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Maybe. Time will tell. On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:46, Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote: I think those that go over the public Internet don't have nearly the same lineup. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/i
Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
I've tried this argument... I'll put a router in your data center...
that's my demarc.
They said no.
Something else is funny.
On 2/24/18 2:27 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Layne, what is the real world chance of anyone discovering that you are
transporting to one of use via VPN?
I think the chance is low.
Then if discovered, what is the chance that the programmers will care?
When I was working with Dallas, I had quite a few of them agreeing to
the VPN method.
How about this, you sell to me, I take delivery in a data center very
close to you.
Then what I do to transport to the edge server is my business... right?
*From:* Layne Sisk
*Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2018 10:19 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
When they do you won’t be able to resell it, they will just sell it to
your customers and you won’t make anything.
Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102
New logo xl <http://www.serverplus.com/>
http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png
http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png <https://www.facebook.com/ServerPlus365/>
http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png <https://twitter.com/RealServerPlus>
Utah 100 fast50-01Inc 5000
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2018 6:40 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
That's how technology is.
Until DirecTV, Google, Sony, etc. get full line-ups OTT, you're not
going to find something you can sell that's going to have a full line-up.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
--------
*From: *"Clint Wiley"
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 6:01:32 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
That’s actually a good point. This is a rapidly moving area. I don’t
want to choose the wrong technology/solution.
Thanks,
_
Clint Wiley
Hagerstown Fiber Internet
On Feb 23, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
The statement of the week...
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
------------
*From: *"Matt Hoppes"
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 5:04:40 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
Maybe. Time will tell.
On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:46, Mike Hammett wrote:
I think those that go over the public Internet don't have nearly
the same lineup.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
*From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 4:16:50 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
Well, the are all allowing all the other streamers to deliver it
via the
public in
Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
Layne, what is the real world chance of anyone discovering that you are
transporting to one of use via VPN?
I think the chance is low.
Then if discovered, what is the chance that the programmers will care?
When I was working with Dallas, I had quite a few of them agreeing to the VPN
method.
How about this, you sell to me, I take delivery in a data center very close to
you.
Then what I do to transport to the edge server is my business... right?
From: Layne Sisk
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 10:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
When they do you won’t be able to resell it, they will just sell it to your
customers and you won’t make anything.
Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
That's how technology is.
Until DirecTV, Google, Sony, etc. get full line-ups OTT, you're not going to
find something you can sell that's going to have a full line-up.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
From: "Clint Wiley"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:01:32 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
That’s actually a good point. This is a rapidly moving area. I don’t want to
choose the wrong technology/solution.
Thanks,
_
Clint Wiley
Hagerstown Fiber Internet
On Feb 23, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
The statement of the week...
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
--
From: "Matt Hoppes"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:04:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
Maybe. Time will tell.
On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:46, Mike Hammett wrote:
I think those that go over the public Internet don't have nearly the same
lineup.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:16:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
Well, the are all allowing all the other streamers to deliver it via the
public internet, why not RCTV?
Does not seem fair to discriminate against the smaller companies like this.
-Original Message-
From: Clint Wiley
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 3:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
I agree that a VPN makes plenty of sense. I get why they do it but it adds
an expense that may take me a good bit of time to recover.
Thanks,
_
Clint Wiley
Hagerstown Fiber Internet
> On Feb 23, 2018, at 4:56 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com" wrote:
>
> That is not by choice. The content providers all have a different
> tolerance as to how their product is piped around. RealChoice could drop
> it and probably ship the product over the public internet and never get
> caught, however they risk losing channels if they ever get caught.
>
> Not sure what their current deal is, when I was working with them I was
> trying to get the programmers to allow content via VPN or VLAN over VPN
> (silly, right) over the public internet. Some of them were OK with it.
>
> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:46 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
>
> RealChoice would be a great option if they would drop their private line
> requirement.
>
>> On Feb 23, 2018, at 15:39, Clint Wiley wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If
so,
>> are any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the wholesale
>> provider? Can any of you provide feedback, thoughts, experiences, etc.
on
>> either provider?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> _
>> Clint Wiley
>> Hagerstown Fiber Internet
Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
I meant to check on that. I'm pretty sure the content is home-runned in the U.S.. The parent company is from the Phillipines. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 9:57 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV I’m pretty sure bringing US content that was destined for the Philippines back into the US is not legal. > On Feb 23, 2018, at 23:12, Rory Conaway wrote: > > We are doing Viva and WISPs will be able to sign up on it Monday with > commissions. > > Rory > > -Original Message- > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Clint Wiley > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:39 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > > Hi, > > I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If so, are > any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the wholesale provider? > Can any of you provide feedback, thoughts, experiences, etc. on either > provider? > > Thanks, > _ > Clint Wiley > Hagerstown Fiber Internet >
Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
I agree that their low upfront costs are appealing. They don’t have as many channels available, possibly due to the fact they use vpn to connect, but that might not matter. I’d need to figure out how important DVR is for customers. Since they multicast I’d need to consider the impact of that on our network. That’s something we don’t have any experience with so I’m not sure what the impact would be. Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet On Feb 23, 2018, at 10:27 PM, Chris Fabien mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com>> wrote: So, we have been working with Rodeo for nearly a year as they slowly get their system ready for launch. Technically, Realchoice is a better and more "finished" product, but the pricing left Zero margin for me to be able to sell, and the private line requirement PLUS a significant monthly minimum made it a non-starter. Rodeo, what they are offering to sell is more flexible channel lineup at prices that you can make a decent margin. If they can get the technical issues past them they will be a great option. They have made a lot of progress but it's been a very painful process to work through. Communication and transparency from them has been very poor, but improving lately. If server plus/ realchoice could find a way to get their pricing in line they'd be a slam dunk. I had a frank discussion with someone there a few months ago and the feedback I got was, we think our pricing is perfect, take it or leave it. On Feb 23, 2018 9:35 PM, "Clint Wiley" mailto:cl...@hagerstownfiber.com>> wrote: I’m a trigger puller. That’s why I asked originally. I’m looking for feedback now as I don’t plan to dwell on it for long. Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet On Feb 23, 2018, at 8:57 PM, Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote: The thing is, while you're waiting someone else is selling a service to your customer.and you're carrying the traffic without getting anything out of it. -- Original Message -- From: "Clint Wiley" mailto:cl...@hagerstownfiber.com>> To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Sent: 2/23/2018 7:01:33 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV That’s actually a good point. This is a rapidly moving area. I don’t want to choose the wrong technology/solution. Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet On Feb 23, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote: The statement of the week... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ________ From: "Matt Hoppes" mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:04:40 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Maybe. Time will tell. On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:46, Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote: I think those that go over the public Internet don't have nearly the same lineup. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<h
Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
When they do you won’t be able to resell it, they will just sell it to your customers and you won’t make anything. Layne Sisk ServerPlus 801.426.8283, ext 102 [New logo xl]<http://www.serverplus.com/> [http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png] [http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ServerPlus365/> [http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png]<https://twitter.com/RealServerPlus> [Utah 100] [fast50-01] [Inc 5000] From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:40 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV That's how technology is. Until DirecTV, Google, Sony, etc. get full line-ups OTT, you're not going to find something you can sell that's going to have a full line-up. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> From: "Clint Wiley" mailto:cl...@hagerstownfiber.com>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:01:32 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV That’s actually a good point. This is a rapidly moving area. I don’t want to choose the wrong technology/solution. Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet On Feb 23, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote: The statement of the week... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ____________ From: "Matt Hoppes" mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:04:40 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Maybe. Time will tell. On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:46, Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote: I think those that go over the public Internet don't have nearly the same lineup. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ___
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We are a partner in Real Choice. Layne Sisk ServerPlus 801.426.8283, ext 102 -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:21 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV When you say "We", do you mean that ServerPlus has an IPTV solution? Is this something you're reselling? -- Original Message -- From: "Layne Sisk" To: "af@afmug.com" Sent: 2/23/2018 5:31:27 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV >There are 2 types of licensing, MVPD and OTT. MVPD is closed network >only, and allows all content to be distributed via that closed network >(all locals, all content on those locals). OTT is over the open >internet but does not generally include the ability to provide all >content (some channels are available, some are not, some channels black >out certain content). One big difference as well is that OTT requires >that we sign deals with huge monthly minimums, as much as I wish I had >the cash that Google and Sony have I simply don't so we decided to >stick with the MVPD model. > >Layne Sisk >ServerPlus >801.426.8283, ext 102 > > > > > > >-Original Message- >From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com >Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 3:17 PM >To: af@afmug.com >Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > >Well, the are all allowing all the other streamers to deliver it via >the public internet, why not RCTV? > >Does not seem fair to discriminate against the smaller companies like >this. > >-----Original Message- >From: Clint Wiley >Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 3:12 PM >To: af@afmug.com >Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > >I agree that a VPN makes plenty of sense. I get why they do it but it >adds an expense that may take me a good bit of time to recover. > >Thanks, >_ > >Clint Wiley >Hagerstown Fiber Internet > >>On Feb 23, 2018, at 4:56 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com" >>wrote: >> >>That is not by choice. The content providers all have a different >>tolerance as to how their product is piped around. RealChoice could >>drop it and probably ship the product over the public internet and >>never get caught, however they risk losing channels if they ever get >>caught. >> >>Not sure what their current deal is, when I was working with them I >>was trying to get the programmers to allow content via VPN or VLAN >>over VPN (silly, right) over the public internet. Some of them were >>OK with it. >> >>-Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes >>Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:46 PM >>To: af@afmug.com >>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV >> >>RealChoice would be a great option if they would drop their private >>line requirement. >> >>>On Feb 23, 2018, at 15:39, Clint Wiley >>>wrote: >>> >>>Hi, >>> >>>I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If >>>so, are any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the >>>wholesale provider? Can any of you provide feedback, thoughts, >>>experiences, etc. on either provider? >>> >>>Thanks, >>>_ >>>Clint Wiley >>>Hagerstown Fiber Internet
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I’m pretty sure bringing US content that was destined for the Philippines back into the US is not legal. > On Feb 23, 2018, at 23:12, Rory Conaway wrote: > > We are doing Viva and WISPs will be able to sign up on it Monday with > commissions. > > Rory > > -Original Message- > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Clint Wiley > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:39 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > > Hi, > > I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If so, are > any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the wholesale provider? > Can any of you provide feedback, thoughts, experiences, etc. on either > provider? > > Thanks, > _ > Clint Wiley > Hagerstown Fiber Internet >
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We are doing Viva and WISPs will be able to sign up on it Monday with commissions. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Clint Wiley Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Hi, I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If so, are any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the wholesale provider? Can any of you provide feedback, thoughts, experiences, etc. on either provider? Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet
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So, we have been working with Rodeo for nearly a year as they slowly get their system ready for launch. Technically, Realchoice is a better and more "finished" product, but the pricing left Zero margin for me to be able to sell, and the private line requirement PLUS a significant monthly minimum made it a non-starter. Rodeo, what they are offering to sell is more flexible channel lineup at prices that you can make a decent margin. If they can get the technical issues past them they will be a great option. They have made a lot of progress but it's been a very painful process to work through. Communication and transparency from them has been very poor, but improving lately. If server plus/ realchoice could find a way to get their pricing in line they'd be a slam dunk. I had a frank discussion with someone there a few months ago and the feedback I got was, we think our pricing is perfect, take it or leave it. On Feb 23, 2018 9:35 PM, "Clint Wiley" wrote: > I’m a trigger puller. That’s why I asked originally. I’m looking for > feedback now as I don’t plan to dwell on it for long. > > Thanks, > _ > Clint Wiley > Hagerstown Fiber Internet > > > On Feb 23, 2018, at 8:57 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: > > The thing is, while you're waiting someone else is selling a service to > your customer.and you're carrying the traffic without getting anything > out of it. > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Clint Wiley" > To: "af@afmug.com" > Sent: 2/23/2018 7:01:33 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > > That’s actually a good point. This is a rapidly moving area. I don’t want > to choose the wrong technology/solution. > > Thanks, > _ > Clint Wiley > Hagerstown Fiber Internet > > > On Feb 23, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > The statement of the week... > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > *From: *"Matt Hoppes" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 5:04:40 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > > Maybe. Time will tell. > > On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:46, Mike Hammett wrote: > > I think those that go over the public Internet don't have nearly the same > lineup. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------ > *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 4:16:50 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > > Well, the are all allowing all the other streamers to deliver it via the > public internet, why not RCTV? > > Does not seem fair to discriminate against the smaller companies like this. > > -Original Message- > From: Clint Wiley > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 3:12 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > > I agree that a VPN makes plenty of sense. I get why they do it but it adds > an expense that may take me a good bit of time to recover. > > Thanks, > _ > > Clint Wiley > Hagerstown Fiber Internet > > > On Feb 23, 2018, at 4:56 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com" wrote: > > > > That is not by choice. The content providers all have a different > > tolerance as to how their product is p
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I’m a trigger puller. That’s why I asked originally. I’m looking for feedback now as I don’t plan to dwell on it for long. Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet On Feb 23, 2018, at 8:57 PM, Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote: The thing is, while you're waiting someone else is selling a service to your customer.and you're carrying the traffic without getting anything out of it. -- Original Message -- From: "Clint Wiley" mailto:cl...@hagerstownfiber.com>> To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Sent: 2/23/2018 7:01:33 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV That’s actually a good point. This is a rapidly moving area. I don’t want to choose the wrong technology/solution. Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet On Feb 23, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote: The statement of the week... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> From: "Matt Hoppes" mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:04:40 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Maybe. Time will tell. On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:46, Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote: I think those that go over the public Internet don't have nearly the same lineup. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> From: ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:16:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Well, the are all allowing all the other streamers to deliver it via the public internet, why not RCTV? Does not seem fair to discriminate against the smaller companies like this. -Original Message- From: Clint Wiley Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 3:12 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV I agree that a VPN makes plenty of sense. I get why they do it but it adds an expense that may take me a good bit of time to recover. Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet > On Feb 23, 2018, at 4:56 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>" > mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: > > That is not by choice. The content providers all have a different > tolerance as to how their product is piped around. RealChoice could drop > it and probably ship the product over the public internet and never get > caught, however they risk losing channels if they ever get caught. > > Not sure what their current deal is, when I was working with them I was > trying to get the programmers to allow content via VPN or VLAN over VPN
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A lot of the packaging is per license agreements, but there is some discretion. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Adam Moffett" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 8:03:52 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Honestly I have to admit that it was quite clever on Dish Network's part. They made sure everyone actually wanted the second price tier because there's one critical channel for everybody that isn't in the bottom tier. Or maybe it's not intentional but rather a side effect of licensing or some such, but I'm equally willing to assume it's a result of evil genius. -- Original Message -- From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/23/2018 8:59:04 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV and there's no way they'll sell it that way for the foreseeable future. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 7:55:43 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Yup. I remember that from when I had to sell Dish Network. No two people agree on what the right set of channels are, but they all agree that the channels they want should be in the cheaper package. -- Original Message -- From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/23/2018 8:40:11 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV " a set of the channels folks want to watch" That's going to be even harder than a full line-up OTT. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Matt Hoppes" < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:08:14 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV It’s why I’ve held off for as long as I have. None of the options were right. They either required expensive private lines, or the costs were so high I ended up making no profit and I felt like it was too expensive to try to sell to the end user. Or the quality of the feed was junk. Just give me a set of the channels folks want to watch for $30-$40/month and I can sell it. I can’t sell a service where I need a $1,500/month private line. Or where the monthly rate ends up being $60 when I mark it up. Or where the provider takes their entire head end down for a day while they move it. On Feb 23, 2018, at 19:01, Clint Wiley < cl...@hagerstownfiber.com > wrote: That’s actually a good point. This is a rapidly moving area. I don’t want to choose the wrong technology/solution. Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet On Feb 23, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: The statement of the week... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Matt Hoppes" < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:04:40 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Maybe. Time will tell. On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:46, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: I think those that go over the public Internet don't have nearly the same lineup. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:16:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Well, the are all allowing all the other streamers to deliver it via the public internet, why not RCTV? Does not seem fair to discriminate against the smaller companies like this. -Original Message- From: Clint Wiley Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 3:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV I agree that a VPN makes plenty of sense. I get why they do it but it adds an expense that may take me a good bit of time to recover. Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet > On Feb 23, 2018, at 4:56 PM, " ch...@wbmfg.com " < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: > > That is not by choice. The content providers all have a different > tolerance as to how their product is piped around. RealChoice could drop > it and probably ship the product over the public internet and never get > caught, however they risk losing channels if they ever get caught. > > Not sure wh
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Honestly I have to admit that it was quite clever on Dish Network's part. They made sure everyone actually wanted the second price tier because there's one critical channel for everybody that isn't in the bottom tier. Or maybe it's not intentional but rather a side effect of licensing or some such, but I'm equally willing to assume it's a result of evil genius. -- Original Message -- From: "Mike Hammett" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/23/2018 8:59:04 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV and there's no way they'll sell it that way for the foreseeable future. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ---------------- From: "Adam Moffett" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 7:55:43 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Yup. I remember that from when I had to sell Dish Network. No two people agree on what the right set of channels are, but they all agree that the channels they want should be in the cheaper package. -- Original Message -- From: "Mike Hammett" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/23/2018 8:40:11 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV "a set of the channels folks want to watch" That's going to be even harder than a full line-up OTT. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> From: "Matt Hoppes" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:08:14 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV It’s why I’ve held off for as long as I have. None of the options were right. They either required expensive private lines, or the costs were so high I ended up making no profit and I felt like it was too expensive to try to sell to the end user. Or the quality of the feed was junk. Just give me a set of the channels folks want to watch for $30-$40/month and I can sell it. I can’t sell a service where I need a $1,500/month private line. Or where the monthly rate ends up being $60 when I mark it up. Or where the provider takes their entire head end down for a day while they move it. On Feb 23, 2018, at 19:01, Clint Wiley wrote: That’s actually a good point. This is a rapidly moving area. I don’t want to choose the wrong technology/solution. Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet On Feb 23, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: The statement of the week... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> From: "Matt Hoppes" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:04:40 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Maybe. Time will tell. On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:46, Mike Hammett wrote: I think those that go over the public Internet don't have nearly the same lineup. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing So
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and there's no way they'll sell it that way for the foreseeable future. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Adam Moffett" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 7:55:43 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Yup. I remember that from when I had to sell Dish Network. No two people agree on what the right set of channels are, but they all agree that the channels they want should be in the cheaper package. -- Original Message -- From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/23/2018 8:40:11 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV " a set of the channels folks want to watch" That's going to be even harder than a full line-up OTT. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Matt Hoppes" < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:08:14 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV It’s why I’ve held off for as long as I have. None of the options were right. They either required expensive private lines, or the costs were so high I ended up making no profit and I felt like it was too expensive to try to sell to the end user. Or the quality of the feed was junk. Just give me a set of the channels folks want to watch for $30-$40/month and I can sell it. I can’t sell a service where I need a $1,500/month private line. Or where the monthly rate ends up being $60 when I mark it up. Or where the provider takes their entire head end down for a day while they move it. On Feb 23, 2018, at 19:01, Clint Wiley < cl...@hagerstownfiber.com > wrote: That’s actually a good point. This is a rapidly moving area. I don’t want to choose the wrong technology/solution. Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet On Feb 23, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: The statement of the week... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Matt Hoppes" < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:04:40 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Maybe. Time will tell. On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:46, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: I think those that go over the public Internet don't have nearly the same lineup. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:16:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Well, the are all allowing all the other streamers to deliver it via the public internet, why not RCTV? Does not seem fair to discriminate against the smaller companies like this. -Original Message- From: Clint Wiley Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 3:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV I agree that a VPN makes plenty of sense. I get why they do it but it adds an expense that may take me a good bit of time to recover. Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet > On Feb 23, 2018, at 4:56 PM, " ch...@wbmfg.com " < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: > > That is not by choice. The content providers all have a different > tolerance as to how their product is piped around. RealChoice could drop > it and probably ship the product over the public internet and never get > caught, however they risk losing channels if they ever get caught. > > Not sure what their current deal is, when I was working with them I was > trying to get the programmers to allow content via VPN or VLAN over VPN > (silly, right) over the public internet. Some of them were OK with it. > > -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:46 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > > RealChoice would be a great option if they would drop their private line > requirement. > >> On Feb 23, 2018, at 15:39, Clint Wiley < cl...@hagerstownfiber.com > wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If so, >> are any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the wholesale >> provider? Can any of you provide feedback, thoughts, experiences, etc. on >> either provider? >> >> Thanks, >> _ >> Clint Wiley >> Hagerstown Fiber Internet
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The thing is, while you're waiting someone else is selling a service to your customer.and you're carrying the traffic without getting anything out of it. -- Original Message -- From: "Clint Wiley" To: "af@afmug.com" Sent: 2/23/2018 7:01:33 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV That’s actually a good point. This is a rapidly moving area. I don’t want to choose the wrong technology/solution. Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet On Feb 23, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: The statement of the week... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ---- From: "Matt Hoppes" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:04:40 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Maybe. Time will tell. On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:46, Mike Hammett wrote: I think those that go over the public Internet don't have nearly the same lineup. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ------------ From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:16:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Well, the are all allowing all the other streamers to deliver it via the public internet, why not RCTV? Does not seem fair to discriminate against the smaller companies like this. -Original Message- From: Clint Wiley Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 3:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV I agree that a VPN makes plenty of sense. I get why they do it but it adds an expense that may take me a good bit of time to recover. Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet > On Feb 23, 2018, at 4:56 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com" wrote: > > That is not by choice. The content providers all have a different > tolerance as to how their product is piped around. RealChoice could drop > it and probably ship the product over the public internet and never get > caught, however they risk losing channels if they ever get caught. > > Not sure what their current deal is, when I was working with them I was > trying to get the programmers to allow content via VPN or VLAN over VPN > (silly, right) over the public internet. Some of them were OK with it. > > -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:46 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > > RealChoice would be a great option if they would drop their private line > requirement. > >> On Feb 23, 2018, at 15:39, Clint Wiley wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If so, >> are any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the wholesale >> provider? Can any of you provide feedback, thoughts, experiences, etc. on >> either provider? >> >> Thanks, >> _ >> Clint Wiley >> Hagerstown Fiber Internet
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Yup. I remember that from when I had to sell Dish Network. No two people agree on what the right set of channels are, but they all agree that the channels they want should be in the cheaper package. -- Original Message -- From: "Mike Hammett" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/23/2018 8:40:11 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV "a set of the channels folks want to watch" That's going to be even harder than a full line-up OTT. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ---- From: "Matt Hoppes" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:08:14 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV It’s why I’ve held off for as long as I have. None of the options were right. They either required expensive private lines, or the costs were so high I ended up making no profit and I felt like it was too expensive to try to sell to the end user. Or the quality of the feed was junk. Just give me a set of the channels folks want to watch for $30-$40/month and I can sell it. I can’t sell a service where I need a $1,500/month private line. Or where the monthly rate ends up being $60 when I mark it up. Or where the provider takes their entire head end down for a day while they move it. On Feb 23, 2018, at 19:01, Clint Wiley wrote: That’s actually a good point. This is a rapidly moving area. I don’t want to choose the wrong technology/solution. Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet On Feb 23, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: The statement of the week... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> -------------------- From: "Matt Hoppes" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:04:40 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Maybe. Time will tell. On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:46, Mike Hammett wrote: I think those that go over the public Internet don't have nearly the same lineup. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:16:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Well, the are all allowing all the other streamers to deliver it via the public internet, why not RCTV? Does not seem fair to discriminate against the smaller companies like this. -Original Message- From: Clint Wiley Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 3:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV I agree that a VPN makes plenty of sense. I get why they do it but it adds an expense that may take me a good bit of time to recover. Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet > On Feb 23, 2018, at 4:56 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com" wrote: > > That is not by choice. The content providers all have a different > toleranc
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That's how technology is. Until DirecTV, Google, Sony, etc. get full line-ups OTT, you're not going to find something you can sell that's going to have a full line-up. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Clint Wiley" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:01:32 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV That’s actually a good point. This is a rapidly moving area. I don’t want to choose the wrong technology/solution. Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet On Feb 23, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: The statement of the week... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Matt Hoppes" < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:04:40 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Maybe. Time will tell. On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:46, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: I think those that go over the public Internet don't have nearly the same lineup. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:16:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Well, the are all allowing all the other streamers to deliver it via the public internet, why not RCTV? Does not seem fair to discriminate against the smaller companies like this. -Original Message- From: Clint Wiley Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 3:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV I agree that a VPN makes plenty of sense. I get why they do it but it adds an expense that may take me a good bit of time to recover. Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet > On Feb 23, 2018, at 4:56 PM, " ch...@wbmfg.com " < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: > > That is not by choice. The content providers all have a different > tolerance as to how their product is piped around. RealChoice could drop > it and probably ship the product over the public internet and never get > caught, however they risk losing channels if they ever get caught. > > Not sure what their current deal is, when I was working with them I was > trying to get the programmers to allow content via VPN or VLAN over VPN > (silly, right) over the public internet. Some of them were OK with it. > > -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:46 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > > RealChoice would be a great option if they would drop their private line > requirement. > >> On Feb 23, 2018, at 15:39, Clint Wiley < cl...@hagerstownfiber.com > wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If so, >> are any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the wholesale >> provider? Can any of you provide feedback, thoughts, experiences, etc. on >> either provider? >> >> Thanks, >> _ >> Clint Wiley >> Hagerstown Fiber Internet
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" a set of the channels folks want to watch" That's going to be even harder than a full line-up OTT. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Matt Hoppes" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:08:14 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV It’s why I’ve held off for as long as I have. None of the options were right. They either required expensive private lines, or the costs were so high I ended up making no profit and I felt like it was too expensive to try to sell to the end user. Or the quality of the feed was junk. Just give me a set of the channels folks want to watch for $30-$40/month and I can sell it. I can’t sell a service where I need a $1,500/month private line. Or where the monthly rate ends up being $60 when I mark it up. Or where the provider takes their entire head end down for a day while they move it. On Feb 23, 2018, at 19:01, Clint Wiley < cl...@hagerstownfiber.com > wrote: That’s actually a good point. This is a rapidly moving area. I don’t want to choose the wrong technology/solution. Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet On Feb 23, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: The statement of the week... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Matt Hoppes" < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:04:40 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Maybe. Time will tell. On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:46, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: I think those that go over the public Internet don't have nearly the same lineup. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:16:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Well, the are all allowing all the other streamers to deliver it via the public internet, why not RCTV? Does not seem fair to discriminate against the smaller companies like this. -Original Message- From: Clint Wiley Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 3:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV I agree that a VPN makes plenty of sense. I get why they do it but it adds an expense that may take me a good bit of time to recover. Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet > On Feb 23, 2018, at 4:56 PM, " ch...@wbmfg.com " < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: > > That is not by choice. The content providers all have a different > tolerance as to how their product is piped around. RealChoice could drop > it and probably ship the product over the public internet and never get > caught, however they risk losing channels if they ever get caught. > > Not sure what their current deal is, when I was working with them I was > trying to get the programmers to allow content via VPN or VLAN over VPN > (silly, right) over the public internet. Some of them were OK with it. > > -Original Message----- From: Matt Hoppes > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:46 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > > RealChoice would be a great option if they would drop their private line > requirement. > >> On Feb 23, 2018, at 15:39, Clint Wiley < cl...@hagerstownfiber.com > wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If so, >> are any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the wholesale >> provider? Can any of you provide feedback, thoughts, experiences, etc. on >> either provider? >> >> Thanks, >> _ >> Clint Wiley >> Hagerstown Fiber Internet
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I did not realize the association. -- Original Message -- From: "Matt Hoppes" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/23/2018 8:23:49 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Yes they do. It’s called real choice. On Feb 23, 2018, at 20:20, Adam Moffett wrote: When you say "We", do you mean that ServerPlus has an IPTV solution? Is this something you're reselling? -- Original Message -- From: "Layne Sisk" To: "af@afmug.com" Sent: 2/23/2018 5:31:27 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV There are 2 types of licensing, MVPD and OTT. MVPD is closed network only, and allows all content to be distributed via that closed network (all locals, all content on those locals). OTT is over the open internet but does not generally include the ability to provide all content (some channels are available, some are not, some channels black out certain content). One big difference as well is that OTT requires that we sign deals with huge monthly minimums, as much as I wish I had the cash that Google and Sony have I simply don't so we decided to stick with the MVPD model. Layne Sisk ServerPlus 801.426.8283, ext 102 -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 3:17 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Well, the are all allowing all the other streamers to deliver it via the public internet, why not RCTV? Does not seem fair to discriminate against the smaller companies like this. -Original Message- From: Clint Wiley Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 3:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV I agree that a VPN makes plenty of sense. I get why they do it but it adds an expense that may take me a good bit of time to recover. Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet On Feb 23, 2018, at 4:56 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com" wrote: That is not by choice. The content providers all have a different tolerance as to how their product is piped around. RealChoice could drop it and probably ship the product over the public internet and never get caught, however they risk losing channels if they ever get caught. Not sure what their current deal is, when I was working with them I was trying to get the programmers to allow content via VPN or VLAN over VPN (silly, right) over the public internet. Some of them were OK with it. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV RealChoice would be a great option if they would drop their private line requirement. On Feb 23, 2018, at 15:39, Clint Wiley wrote: Hi, I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If so, are any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the wholesale provider? Can any of you provide feedback, thoughts, experiences, etc. on either provider? Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet
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Yes they do. It’s called real choice. > On Feb 23, 2018, at 20:20, Adam Moffett wrote: > > When you say "We", do you mean that ServerPlus has an IPTV solution? > Is this something you're reselling? > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Layne Sisk" > To: "af@afmug.com" > Sent: 2/23/2018 5:31:27 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > >> There are 2 types of licensing, MVPD and OTT. MVPD is closed network only, >> and allows all content to be distributed via that closed network (all >> locals, all content on those locals). OTT is over the open internet but >> does not generally include the ability to provide all content (some channels >> are available, some are not, some channels black out certain content). One >> big difference as well is that OTT requires that we sign deals with huge >> monthly minimums, as much as I wish I had the cash that Google and Sony have >> I simply don't so we decided to stick with the MVPD model. >> >> Layne Sisk >> ServerPlus >> 801.426.8283, ext 102 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message- >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com >> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 3:17 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV >> >> Well, the are all allowing all the other streamers to deliver it via the >> public internet, why not RCTV? >> >> Does not seem fair to discriminate against the smaller companies like this. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Clint Wiley >> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 3:12 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV >> >> I agree that a VPN makes plenty of sense. I get why they do it but it adds >> an expense that may take me a good bit of time to recover. >> >> Thanks, >> _ >> >> Clint Wiley >> Hagerstown Fiber Internet >> >>> On Feb 23, 2018, at 4:56 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com" wrote: >>> >>> That is not by choice. The content providers all have a different >>> tolerance as to how their product is piped around. RealChoice could >>> drop it and probably ship the product over the public internet and >>> never get caught, however they risk losing channels if they ever get caught. >>> >>> Not sure what their current deal is, when I was working with them I >>> was trying to get the programmers to allow content via VPN or VLAN >>> over VPN (silly, right) over the public internet. Some of them were OK >>> with it. >>> >>> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes >>> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:46 PM >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV >>> >>> RealChoice would be a great option if they would drop their private >>> line requirement. >>> >>>> On Feb 23, 2018, at 15:39, Clint Wiley wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If >>>> so, are any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the >>>> wholesale provider? Can any of you provide feedback, thoughts, >>>> experiences, etc. on either provider? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> _ >>>> Clint Wiley >>>> Hagerstown Fiber Internet >
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When you say "We", do you mean that ServerPlus has an IPTV solution? Is this something you're reselling? -- Original Message -- From: "Layne Sisk" To: "af@afmug.com" Sent: 2/23/2018 5:31:27 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV There are 2 types of licensing, MVPD and OTT. MVPD is closed network only, and allows all content to be distributed via that closed network (all locals, all content on those locals). OTT is over the open internet but does not generally include the ability to provide all content (some channels are available, some are not, some channels black out certain content). One big difference as well is that OTT requires that we sign deals with huge monthly minimums, as much as I wish I had the cash that Google and Sony have I simply don't so we decided to stick with the MVPD model. Layne Sisk ServerPlus 801.426.8283, ext 102 -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 3:17 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Well, the are all allowing all the other streamers to deliver it via the public internet, why not RCTV? Does not seem fair to discriminate against the smaller companies like this. -Original Message- From: Clint Wiley Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 3:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV I agree that a VPN makes plenty of sense. I get why they do it but it adds an expense that may take me a good bit of time to recover. Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet On Feb 23, 2018, at 4:56 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com" wrote: That is not by choice. The content providers all have a different tolerance as to how their product is piped around. RealChoice could drop it and probably ship the product over the public internet and never get caught, however they risk losing channels if they ever get caught. Not sure what their current deal is, when I was working with them I was trying to get the programmers to allow content via VPN or VLAN over VPN (silly, right) over the public internet. Some of them were OK with it. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV RealChoice would be a great option if they would drop their private line requirement. On Feb 23, 2018, at 15:39, Clint Wiley wrote: Hi, I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If so, are any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the wholesale provider? Can any of you provide feedback, thoughts, experiences, etc. on either provider? Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet
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It’s why I’ve held off for as long as I have. None of the options were right. They either required expensive private lines, or the costs were so high I ended up making no profit and I felt like it was too expensive to try to sell to the end user. Or the quality of the feed was junk. Just give me a set of the channels folks want to watch for $30-$40/month and I can sell it. I can’t sell a service where I need a $1,500/month private line. Or where the monthly rate ends up being $60 when I mark it up. Or where the provider takes their entire head end down for a day while they move it. > On Feb 23, 2018, at 19:01, Clint Wiley wrote: > > That’s actually a good point. This is a rapidly moving area. I don’t want to > choose the wrong technology/solution. > > Thanks, > _ > Clint Wiley > Hagerstown Fiber Internet > > > On Feb 23, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > >> The statement of the week... >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> >> Midwest Internet Exchange >> >> The Brothers WISP >> >> >> >> >> From: "Matt Hoppes" >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:04:40 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV >> >> Maybe. Time will tell. >> >> On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:46, Mike Hammett wrote: >> >> I think those that go over the public Internet don't have nearly the same >> lineup. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> >> Midwest Internet Exchange >> >> The Brothers WISP >> >> >> >> >> From: ch...@wbmfg.com >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:16:50 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV >> >> Well, the are all allowing all the other streamers to deliver it via the >> public internet, why not RCTV? >> >> Does not seem fair to discriminate against the smaller companies like this. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Clint Wiley >> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 3:12 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV >> >> I agree that a VPN makes plenty of sense. I get why they do it but it adds >> an expense that may take me a good bit of time to recover. >> >> Thanks, >> _ >> >> Clint Wiley >> Hagerstown Fiber Internet >> >> > On Feb 23, 2018, at 4:56 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com" wrote: >> > >> > That is not by choice. The content providers all have a different >> > tolerance as to how their product is piped around. RealChoice could drop >> > it and probably ship the product over the public internet and never get >> > caught, however they risk losing channels if they ever get caught. >> > >> > Not sure what their current deal is, when I was working with them I was >> > trying to get the programmers to allow content via VPN or VLAN over VPN >> > (silly, right) over the public internet. Some of them were OK with it. >> > >> > -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes >> > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:46 PM >> > To: af@afmug.com >> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV >> > >> > RealChoice would be a great option if they would drop their private line >> > requirement. >> > >> >> On Feb 23, 2018, at 15:39, Clint Wiley wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If so, >> >> are any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the wholesale >> >> provider? Can any of you provide feedback, thoughts, experiences, etc. on >> >> either provider? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> _ >> >> Clint Wiley >> >> Hagerstown Fiber Internet >> >> >>
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That’s actually a good point. This is a rapidly moving area. I don’t want to choose the wrong technology/solution. Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet On Feb 23, 2018, at 6:23 PM, Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote: The statement of the week... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> From: "Matt Hoppes" mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:04:40 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Maybe. Time will tell. On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:46, Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote: I think those that go over the public Internet don't have nearly the same lineup. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ____________ From: ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:16:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Well, the are all allowing all the other streamers to deliver it via the public internet, why not RCTV? Does not seem fair to discriminate against the smaller companies like this. -Original Message- From: Clint Wiley Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 3:12 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV I agree that a VPN makes plenty of sense. I get why they do it but it adds an expense that may take me a good bit of time to recover. Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet > On Feb 23, 2018, at 4:56 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>" > mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: > > That is not by choice. The content providers all have a different > tolerance as to how their product is piped around. RealChoice could drop > it and probably ship the product over the public internet and never get > caught, however they risk losing channels if they ever get caught. > > Not sure what their current deal is, when I was working with them I was > trying to get the programmers to allow content via VPN or VLAN over VPN > (silly, right) over the public internet. Some of them were OK with it. > > -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:46 PM > To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > > RealChoice would be a great option if they would drop their private line > requirement. > >> On Feb 23, 2018, at 15:39, Clint Wiley >> mailto:cl...@hagerstownfiber.com>> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If so, >> are any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the wholesale >> provider? Can any of you provide feedback, thoughts, experiences, etc. on >> either provider? >> >> Thanks, >> _ >> Clint Wiley >> Hagerstown Fiber Internet
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The statement of the week... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Matt Hoppes" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:04:40 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Maybe. Time will tell. On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:46, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: I think those that go over the public Internet don't have nearly the same lineup. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:16:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Well, the are all allowing all the other streamers to deliver it via the public internet, why not RCTV? Does not seem fair to discriminate against the smaller companies like this. -Original Message- From: Clint Wiley Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 3:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV I agree that a VPN makes plenty of sense. I get why they do it but it adds an expense that may take me a good bit of time to recover. Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet > On Feb 23, 2018, at 4:56 PM, " ch...@wbmfg.com " < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: > > That is not by choice. The content providers all have a different > tolerance as to how their product is piped around. RealChoice could drop > it and probably ship the product over the public internet and never get > caught, however they risk losing channels if they ever get caught. > > Not sure what their current deal is, when I was working with them I was > trying to get the programmers to allow content via VPN or VLAN over VPN > (silly, right) over the public internet. Some of them were OK with it. > > -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:46 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > > RealChoice would be a great option if they would drop their private line > requirement. > >> On Feb 23, 2018, at 15:39, Clint Wiley < cl...@hagerstownfiber.com > wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If so, >> are any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the wholesale >> provider? Can any of you provide feedback, thoughts, experiences, etc. on >> either provider? >> >> Thanks, >> _ >> Clint Wiley >> Hagerstown Fiber Internet
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Maybe. Time will tell. > On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:46, Mike Hammett wrote: > > I think those that go over the public Internet don't have nearly the same > lineup. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > > From: ch...@wbmfg.com > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:16:50 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > > Well, the are all allowing all the other streamers to deliver it via the > public internet, why not RCTV? > > Does not seem fair to discriminate against the smaller companies like this. > > -Original Message- > From: Clint Wiley > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 3:12 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > > I agree that a VPN makes plenty of sense. I get why they do it but it adds > an expense that may take me a good bit of time to recover. > > Thanks, > _ > > Clint Wiley > Hagerstown Fiber Internet > > > On Feb 23, 2018, at 4:56 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com" wrote: > > > > That is not by choice. The content providers all have a different > > tolerance as to how their product is piped around. RealChoice could drop > > it and probably ship the product over the public internet and never get > > caught, however they risk losing channels if they ever get caught. > > > > Not sure what their current deal is, when I was working with them I was > > trying to get the programmers to allow content via VPN or VLAN over VPN > > (silly, right) over the public internet. Some of them were OK with it. > > > > -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes > > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:46 PM > > To: af@afmug.com > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > > > > RealChoice would be a great option if they would drop their private line > > requirement. > > > >> On Feb 23, 2018, at 15:39, Clint Wiley wrote: > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If so, > >> are any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the wholesale > >> provider? Can any of you provide feedback, thoughts, experiences, etc. on > >> either provider? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> _ > >> Clint Wiley > >> Hagerstown Fiber Internet > >
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I think those that go over the public Internet don't have nearly the same lineup. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:16:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Well, the are all allowing all the other streamers to deliver it via the public internet, why not RCTV? Does not seem fair to discriminate against the smaller companies like this. -Original Message- From: Clint Wiley Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 3:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV I agree that a VPN makes plenty of sense. I get why they do it but it adds an expense that may take me a good bit of time to recover. Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet > On Feb 23, 2018, at 4:56 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com" wrote: > > That is not by choice. The content providers all have a different > tolerance as to how their product is piped around. RealChoice could drop > it and probably ship the product over the public internet and never get > caught, however they risk losing channels if they ever get caught. > > Not sure what their current deal is, when I was working with them I was > trying to get the programmers to allow content via VPN or VLAN over VPN > (silly, right) over the public internet. Some of them were OK with it. > > -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:46 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > > RealChoice would be a great option if they would drop their private line > requirement. > >> On Feb 23, 2018, at 15:39, Clint Wiley wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If so, >> are any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the wholesale >> provider? Can any of you provide feedback, thoughts, experiences, etc. on >> either provider? >> >> Thanks, >> _ >> Clint Wiley >> Hagerstown Fiber Internet
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Are there any other full-line providers that don't have a private line requirement? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Matt Hoppes" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 3:46:09 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV RealChoice would be a great option if they would drop their private line requirement. > On Feb 23, 2018, at 15:39, Clint Wiley wrote: > > Hi, > > I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If so, are > any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the wholesale provider? > Can any of you provide feedback, thoughts, experiences, etc. on either > provider? > > Thanks, > _ > Clint Wiley > Hagerstown Fiber Internet >
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We do have an OTT option for those that are interested, no locals and no DVR but a OTT option for the other channels which can be done via VPN. Layne Sisk ServerPlus 801.426.8283, ext 102 -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 3:24 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Also. This makes real Choice an IPTV solution not an OTT solution. We need a cost effective OTT solution. > On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:18, Keefe John wrote: > > Unless you're getting a short wave most long-distance layer2 connections are > going to be MPLS over layer3 anyways. So how's that different than a VPN or > GRE tunnel? > > Keefe > > >> On 2/23/2018 3:56 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >> That is not by choice. The content providers all have a different tolerance >> as to how their product is piped around. RealChoice could drop it and >> probably ship the product over the public internet and never get caught, >> however they risk losing channels if they ever get caught. >> >> Not sure what their current deal is, when I was working with them I was >> trying to get the programmers to allow content via VPN or VLAN over VPN >> (silly, right) over the public internet. Some of them were OK with it. >> >> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes >> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:46 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV >> >> RealChoice would be a great option if they would drop their private line >> requirement. >> >>> On Feb 23, 2018, at 15:39, Clint Wiley wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If so, >>> are any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the wholesale >>> provider? Can any of you provide feedback, thoughts, experiences, etc. on >>> either provider? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> _ >>> Clint Wiley >>> Hagerstown Fiber Internet >>> >
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There are 2 types of licensing, MVPD and OTT. MVPD is closed network only, and allows all content to be distributed via that closed network (all locals, all content on those locals). OTT is over the open internet but does not generally include the ability to provide all content (some channels are available, some are not, some channels black out certain content). One big difference as well is that OTT requires that we sign deals with huge monthly minimums, as much as I wish I had the cash that Google and Sony have I simply don't so we decided to stick with the MVPD model. Layne Sisk ServerPlus 801.426.8283, ext 102 -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 3:17 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Well, the are all allowing all the other streamers to deliver it via the public internet, why not RCTV? Does not seem fair to discriminate against the smaller companies like this. -Original Message- From: Clint Wiley Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 3:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV I agree that a VPN makes plenty of sense. I get why they do it but it adds an expense that may take me a good bit of time to recover. Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet > On Feb 23, 2018, at 4:56 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com" wrote: > > That is not by choice. The content providers all have a different > tolerance as to how their product is piped around. RealChoice could > drop it and probably ship the product over the public internet and > never get caught, however they risk losing channels if they ever get caught. > > Not sure what their current deal is, when I was working with them I > was trying to get the programmers to allow content via VPN or VLAN > over VPN (silly, right) over the public internet. Some of them were OK with > it. > > -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:46 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > > RealChoice would be a great option if they would drop their private > line requirement. > >> On Feb 23, 2018, at 15:39, Clint Wiley wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If >> so, are any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the >> wholesale provider? Can any of you provide feedback, thoughts, >> experiences, etc. on either provider? >> >> Thanks, >> _ >> Clint Wiley >> Hagerstown Fiber Internet
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I have made that exact argument, to which they say "those are the rules". Layne Sisk ServerPlus 801.426.8283, ext 102 -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 3:18 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Unless you're getting a short wave most long-distance layer2 connections are going to be MPLS over layer3 anyways. So how's that different than a VPN or GRE tunnel? Keefe On 2/23/2018 3:56 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > That is not by choice. The content providers all have a different > tolerance as to how their product is piped around. RealChoice could > drop it and probably ship the product over the public internet and > never get caught, however they risk losing channels if they ever get > caught. > > Not sure what their current deal is, when I was working with them I > was trying to get the programmers to allow content via VPN or VLAN > over VPN (silly, right) over the public internet. Some of them were > OK with it. > > -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:46 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > > RealChoice would be a great option if they would drop their private > line requirement. > >> On Feb 23, 2018, at 15:39, Clint Wiley >> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If >> so, are any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the >> wholesale provider? Can any of you provide feedback, thoughts, >> experiences, etc. on either provider? >> >> Thanks, >> _ >> Clint Wiley >> Hagerstown Fiber Internet >>
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Also. This makes real Choice an IPTV solution not an OTT solution. We need a cost effective OTT solution. > On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:18, Keefe John wrote: > > Unless you're getting a short wave most long-distance layer2 connections are > going to be MPLS over layer3 anyways. So how's that different than a VPN or > GRE tunnel? > > Keefe > > >> On 2/23/2018 3:56 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >> That is not by choice. The content providers all have a different tolerance >> as to how their product is piped around. RealChoice could drop it and >> probably ship the product over the public internet and never get caught, >> however they risk losing channels if they ever get caught. >> >> Not sure what their current deal is, when I was working with them I was >> trying to get the programmers to allow content via VPN or VLAN over VPN >> (silly, right) over the public internet. Some of them were OK with it. >> >> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes >> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:46 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV >> >> RealChoice would be a great option if they would drop their private line >> requirement. >> >>> On Feb 23, 2018, at 15:39, Clint Wiley wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If so, >>> are any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the wholesale >>> provider? Can any of you provide feedback, thoughts, experiences, etc. on >>> either provider? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> _ >>> Clint Wiley >>> Hagerstown Fiber Internet >>> >
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Unless you're getting a short wave most long-distance layer2 connections are going to be MPLS over layer3 anyways. So how's that different than a VPN or GRE tunnel? Keefe On 2/23/2018 3:56 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: That is not by choice. The content providers all have a different tolerance as to how their product is piped around. RealChoice could drop it and probably ship the product over the public internet and never get caught, however they risk losing channels if they ever get caught. Not sure what their current deal is, when I was working with them I was trying to get the programmers to allow content via VPN or VLAN over VPN (silly, right) over the public internet. Some of them were OK with it. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV RealChoice would be a great option if they would drop their private line requirement. On Feb 23, 2018, at 15:39, Clint Wiley wrote: Hi, I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If so, are any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the wholesale provider? Can any of you provide feedback, thoughts, experiences, etc. on either provider? Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet
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Well, the are all allowing all the other streamers to deliver it via the public internet, why not RCTV? Does not seem fair to discriminate against the smaller companies like this. -Original Message- From: Clint Wiley Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 3:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV I agree that a VPN makes plenty of sense. I get why they do it but it adds an expense that may take me a good bit of time to recover. Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet On Feb 23, 2018, at 4:56 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com" wrote: That is not by choice. The content providers all have a different tolerance as to how their product is piped around. RealChoice could drop it and probably ship the product over the public internet and never get caught, however they risk losing channels if they ever get caught. Not sure what their current deal is, when I was working with them I was trying to get the programmers to allow content via VPN or VLAN over VPN (silly, right) over the public internet. Some of them were OK with it. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV RealChoice would be a great option if they would drop their private line requirement. On Feb 23, 2018, at 15:39, Clint Wiley wrote: Hi, I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If so, are any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the wholesale provider? Can any of you provide feedback, thoughts, experiences, etc. on either provider? Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet
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I agree that a VPN makes plenty of sense. I get why they do it but it adds an expense that may take me a good bit of time to recover. Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet > On Feb 23, 2018, at 4:56 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com" wrote: > > That is not by choice. The content providers all have a different tolerance > as to how their product is piped around. RealChoice could drop it and > probably ship the product over the public internet and never get caught, > however they risk losing channels if they ever get caught. > > Not sure what their current deal is, when I was working with them I was > trying to get the programmers to allow content via VPN or VLAN over VPN > (silly, right) over the public internet. Some of them were OK with it. > > -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:46 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > > RealChoice would be a great option if they would drop their private line > requirement. > >> On Feb 23, 2018, at 15:39, Clint Wiley wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If so, >> are any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the wholesale >> provider? Can any of you provide feedback, thoughts, experiences, etc. on >> either provider? >> >> Thanks, >> _ >> Clint Wiley >> Hagerstown Fiber Internet
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That is not by choice. The content providers all have a different tolerance as to how their product is piped around. RealChoice could drop it and probably ship the product over the public internet and never get caught, however they risk losing channels if they ever get caught. Not sure what their current deal is, when I was working with them I was trying to get the programmers to allow content via VPN or VLAN over VPN (silly, right) over the public internet. Some of them were OK with it. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV RealChoice would be a great option if they would drop their private line requirement. On Feb 23, 2018, at 15:39, Clint Wiley wrote: Hi, I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If so, are any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the wholesale provider? Can any of you provide feedback, thoughts, experiences, etc. on either provider? Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet
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RealChoice would be a great option if they would drop their private line requirement. > On Feb 23, 2018, at 15:39, Clint Wiley wrote: > > Hi, > > I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If so, are > any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the wholesale provider? > Can any of you provide feedback, thoughts, experiences, etc. on either > provider? > > Thanks, > _ > Clint Wiley > Hagerstown Fiber Internet >
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I also just found out about another outfit called Singularity TV. I have a call with them next week. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/23/2018 4:36:28 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV I know the RealChoice guys personally. I trust them. I was involved in the beginning of that product and it was pretty good them. I am sure it is much better now. -Original Message- From: Clint Wiley Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Hi, I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If so, are any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the wholesale provider? Can any of you provide feedback, thoughts, experiences, etc. on either provider? Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet
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I know the RealChoice guys personally. I trust them. I was involved in the beginning of that product and it was pretty good them. I am sure it is much better now. -Original Message- From: Clint Wiley Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Hi, I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If so, are any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the wholesale provider? Can any of you provide feedback, thoughts, experiences, etc. on either provider? Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet
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Of the people I've talked to, RealChoice seemed to have their act together the best. I have not talked to Rodeo at all. -- Original Message -- From: "Keefe John" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/23/2018 4:01:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV I'd like to see a YoutubeTV reseller program. Has anyone inquired? Keefe On 2/23/2018 2:39 PM, Clint Wiley wrote: Hi, I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If so, are any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the wholesale provider? Can any of you provide feedback, thoughts, experiences, etc. on either provider? Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet
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I'd like to see a YoutubeTV reseller program. Has anyone inquired? Keefe On 2/23/2018 2:39 PM, Clint Wiley wrote: Hi, I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If so, are any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the wholesale provider? Can any of you provide feedback, thoughts, experiences, etc. on either provider? Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet
[AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV
Hi, I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If so, are any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the wholesale provider? Can any of you provide feedback, thoughts, experiences, etc. on either provider? Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet
