Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
I don't know why anyone would have a problem with them putting this on existing routers. If you don't like their routers, don't buy them. If you do like their routers but think a feature shouldn't be there, don't enable it. I think it's great that ubiquiti innovates the way they do. They have some great products that blow other products out of the water in one way or another. And it's forced other companies to lower their seriously over priced equipment and to rethink their strategies. Ubiquiti really is disrupting things in the industry in only good ways. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:17 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Well it will be interesting … sure would be nice to see someone “disrupt” I agree … but there have been lots of folks try to provide “DPI” and fail badly as they didn’t really understand what they were getting into… and doing it on existing routers is usually the first mistake in my opinion….. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 1:27 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? They've got the resources to do it, would be nice to see someone undercut the existing players. On Thursday, July 23, 2015, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: I have no idea but if it’s like other attempts I’ve seen from companies to stack heavy CPU “stuff” into a router, then stability and any type of scaling would be first concerns. DPI is a very complex item to see someone like Ubiquiti jump into in my opinion… From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs have been lifted. Have any of you been using this? Any idea what type of latency is added? That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI tool that I have ever seen
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
My view is with DPI, like virus scanning or spam filtering, you are buying the updates as much as the platform. If the signatures and rules aren’t kept up to date, it loses value. Any vendor that uses this feature to sell hardware and doesn’t charge a yearly fee may not understand the task. From: Paul Stewart Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 7:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? LOL … I have a hard time with that term being used with Ubiquiti ;) From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 8:30 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? Carrier Grade Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 24, 2015 8:17 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Well it will be interesting … sure would be nice to see someone “disrupt” I agree … but there have been lots of folks try to provide “DPI” and fail badly as they didn’t really understand what they were getting into… and doing it on existing routers is usually the first mistake in my opinion….. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 1:27 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? They've got the resources to do it, would be nice to see someone undercut the existing players. On Thursday, July 23, 2015, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: I have no idea but if it’s like other attempts I’ve seen from companies to stack heavy CPU “stuff” into a router, then stability and any type of scaling would be first concerns. DPI is a very complex item to see someone like Ubiquiti jump into in my opinion… From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs have been lifted. Have any of you been using this? Any idea what type of latency is added? That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI tool that I have ever seen
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
I think the thought is that DPI is a very intensive process and if the router wasn't designed with enormous overhead or hardware acceleration, it could be crippling. Maybe those routers were... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Brett A Mansfield li...@silverlakeinternet.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 7:50:02 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? I don't know why anyone would have a problem with them putting this on existing routers. If you don't like their routers, don't buy them. If you do like their routers but think a feature shouldn't be there, don't enable it. I think it's great that ubiquiti innovates the way they do. They have some great products that blow other products out of the water in one way or another. And it's forced other companies to lower their seriously over priced equipment and to rethink their strategies. Ubiquiti really is disrupting things in the industry in only good ways. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:17 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Well it will be interesting … sure would be nice to see someone “disrupt” I agree … but there have been lots of folks try to provide “DPI” and fail badly as they didn’t really understand what they were getting into… and doing it on existing routers is usually the first mistake in my opinion….. From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 1:27 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? They've got the resources to do it, would be nice to see someone undercut the existing players. On Thursday, July 23, 2015, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: blockquote I have no idea but if it’s like other attempts I’ve seen from companies to stack heavy CPU “stuff” into a router, then stability and any type of scaling would be first concerns. DPI is a very complex item to see someone like Ubiquiti jump into in my opinion… From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jeremy Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs have been lifted. Have any of you been using this? Any idea what type of latency is added? That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI tool that I have ever seen /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
I had/have that concern as well. But it is mind boggling to me that so many people are complaining about ubiquiti putting in this value added feature (quite well I may add). I have never seen so many complaints about features being added. Shouldn't we instead complain about the needed features their products are missing? Complaining about ubiquiti adding in DPI, even if it sucked, is like complaining that you get a dozen free games when you buy an XBox One. You may not like the games you get, but they are free and you don't have to play them if you don't want. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:52 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: I think the thought is that DPI is a very intensive process and if the router wasn't designed with enormous overhead or hardware acceleration, it could be crippling. Maybe those routers were... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com From: Brett A Mansfield li...@silverlakeinternet.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 7:50:02 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? I don't know why anyone would have a problem with them putting this on existing routers. If you don't like their routers, don't buy them. If you do like their routers but think a feature shouldn't be there, don't enable it. I think it's great that ubiquiti innovates the way they do. They have some great products that blow other products out of the water in one way or another. And it's forced other companies to lower their seriously over priced equipment and to rethink their strategies. Ubiquiti really is disrupting things in the industry in only good ways. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:17 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Well it will be interesting … sure would be nice to see someone “disrupt” I agree … but there have been lots of folks try to provide “DPI” and fail badly as they didn’t really understand what they were getting into… and doing it on existing routers is usually the first mistake in my opinion….. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 1:27 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? They've got the resources to do it, would be nice to see someone undercut the existing players. On Thursday, July 23, 2015, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: I have no idea but if it’s like other attempts I’ve seen from companies to stack heavy CPU “stuff” into a router, then stability and any type of scaling would be first concerns. DPI is a very complex item to see someone like Ubiquiti jump into in my opinion… From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs have been lifted. Have any of you been using this? Any idea what type of latency is added? That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI tool that I have ever seen
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
Now if they could just release the U-NII-1 firmware for the Beam products. SOON! From: Jon Langeler Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 9:31 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? When you have the volume and variety of products that ubiquiti does, they can do things that nobody else can do especially when they have some specialized 3rd party developers. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 8:52 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: My view is with DPI, like virus scanning or spam filtering, you are buying the updates as much as the platform. If the signatures and rules aren’t kept up to date, it loses value. Any vendor that uses this feature to sell hardware and doesn’t charge a yearly fee may not understand the task. From: Paul Stewart Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 7:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? LOL … I have a hard time with that term being used with Ubiquiti ;) From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 8:30 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? Carrier Grade Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 24, 2015 8:17 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Well it will be interesting … sure would be nice to see someone “disrupt” I agree … but there have been lots of folks try to provide “DPI” and fail badly as they didn’t really understand what they were getting into… and doing it on existing routers is usually the first mistake in my opinion….. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 1:27 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? They've got the resources to do it, would be nice to see someone undercut the existing players. On Thursday, July 23, 2015, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: I have no idea but if it’s like other attempts I’ve seen from companies to stack heavy CPU “stuff” into a router, then stability and any type of scaling would be first concerns. DPI is a very complex item to see someone like Ubiquiti jump into in my opinion… From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs have been lifted. Have any of you been using this? Any idea what type of latency is added? That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI tool that I have ever seen
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
TANSTAAFL. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 9:32 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? I understand what you’re saying … yes, people (like myself) complaining about something free … totally understand that part. But many times when a vendor brings in something major and new, it often causes problems with code on routers/switches that has worked perfectly fine for a long time. To bring DPI into any router involves a significant amount of codebase change very low on the IP stack .. a lot can go wrong… From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 9:06 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? I had/have that concern as well. But it is mind boggling to me that so many people are complaining about ubiquiti putting in this value added feature (quite well I may add). I have never seen so many complaints about features being added. Shouldn't we instead complain about the needed features their products are missing? Complaining about ubiquiti adding in DPI, even if it sucked, is like complaining that you get a dozen free games when you buy an XBox One. You may not like the games you get, but they are free and you don't have to play them if you don't want. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:52 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: I think the thought is that DPI is a very intensive process and if the router wasn't designed with enormous overhead or hardware acceleration, it could be crippling. Maybe those routers were... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix _ From: Brett A Mansfield li...@silverlakeinternet.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 7:50:02 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? I don't know why anyone would have a problem with them putting this on existing routers. If you don't like their routers, don't buy them. If you do like their routers but think a feature shouldn't be there, don't enable it. I think it's great that ubiquiti innovates the way they do. They have some great products that blow other products out of the water in one way or another. And it's forced other companies to lower their seriously over priced equipment and to rethink their strategies. Ubiquiti really is disrupting things in the industry in only good ways. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:17 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Well it will be interesting … sure would be nice to see someone “disrupt” I agree … but there have been lots of folks try to provide “DPI” and fail badly as they didn’t really understand what they were getting into… and doing it on existing routers is usually the first mistake in my opinion….. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 1:27 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? They've got the resources to do it, would be nice to see someone undercut the existing players. On Thursday, July 23, 2015, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: I have no idea but if it’s like other attempts I’ve seen from companies to stack heavy CPU “stuff” into a router, then stability and any type of scaling would be first concerns. DPI is a very complex item to see someone like Ubiquiti jump into in my opinion… From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs have been lifted. Have any of you been using this? Any idea what type of latency is added? That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI tool that I have ever seen
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
Google translator comes up empty on that one :) From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Shayne Lebrun Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 10:16 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? TANSTAAFL. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 9:32 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? I understand what you’re saying … yes, people (like myself) complaining about something free … totally understand that part. But many times when a vendor brings in something major and new, it often causes problems with code on routers/switches that has worked perfectly fine for a long time. To bring DPI into any router involves a significant amount of codebase change very low on the IP stack .. a lot can go wrong… From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 9:06 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? I had/have that concern as well. But it is mind boggling to me that so many people are complaining about ubiquiti putting in this value added feature (quite well I may add). I have never seen so many complaints about features being added. Shouldn't we instead complain about the needed features their products are missing? Complaining about ubiquiti adding in DPI, even if it sucked, is like complaining that you get a dozen free games when you buy an XBox One. You may not like the games you get, but they are free and you don't have to play them if you don't want. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:52 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net mailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: I think the thought is that DPI is a very intensive process and if the router wasn't designed with enormous overhead or hardware acceleration, it could be crippling. Maybe those routers were... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix _ From: Brett A Mansfield li...@silverlakeinternet.com mailto:li...@silverlakeinternet.com To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 7:50:02 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? I don't know why anyone would have a problem with them putting this on existing routers. If you don't like their routers, don't buy them. If you do like their routers but think a feature shouldn't be there, don't enable it. I think it's great that ubiquiti innovates the way they do. They have some great products that blow other products out of the water in one way or another. And it's forced other companies to lower their seriously over priced equipment and to rethink their strategies. Ubiquiti really is disrupting things in the industry in only good ways. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:17 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Well it will be interesting … sure would be nice to see someone “disrupt” I agree … but there have been lots of folks try to provide “DPI” and fail badly as they didn’t really understand what they were getting into… and doing it on existing routers is usually the first mistake in my opinion….. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 1:27 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? They've got the resources to do it, would be nice to see someone undercut the existing players. On Thursday, July 23, 2015, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org wrote: I have no idea but if it’s like other attempts I’ve seen from companies to stack heavy CPU “stuff” into a router, then stability and any type of scaling would be first concerns. DPI is a very complex item to see someone like Ubiquiti jump into in my opinion… From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:13 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs have been lifted. Have any of you been using this? Any idea what type of latency is added? That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI tool that I have ever seen
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A… got it! :) “There ain’t no such thing as a free lunch” … From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Shayne Lebrun Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 10:16 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? TANSTAAFL. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 9:32 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? I understand what you’re saying … yes, people (like myself) complaining about something free … totally understand that part. But many times when a vendor brings in something major and new, it often causes problems with code on routers/switches that has worked perfectly fine for a long time. To bring DPI into any router involves a significant amount of codebase change very low on the IP stack .. a lot can go wrong… From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 9:06 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? I had/have that concern as well. But it is mind boggling to me that so many people are complaining about ubiquiti putting in this value added feature (quite well I may add). I have never seen so many complaints about features being added. Shouldn't we instead complain about the needed features their products are missing? Complaining about ubiquiti adding in DPI, even if it sucked, is like complaining that you get a dozen free games when you buy an XBox One. You may not like the games you get, but they are free and you don't have to play them if you don't want. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:52 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net mailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: I think the thought is that DPI is a very intensive process and if the router wasn't designed with enormous overhead or hardware acceleration, it could be crippling. Maybe those routers were... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix _ From: Brett A Mansfield li...@silverlakeinternet.com mailto:li...@silverlakeinternet.com To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 7:50:02 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? I don't know why anyone would have a problem with them putting this on existing routers. If you don't like their routers, don't buy them. If you do like their routers but think a feature shouldn't be there, don't enable it. I think it's great that ubiquiti innovates the way they do. They have some great products that blow other products out of the water in one way or another. And it's forced other companies to lower their seriously over priced equipment and to rethink their strategies. Ubiquiti really is disrupting things in the industry in only good ways. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:17 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Well it will be interesting … sure would be nice to see someone “disrupt” I agree … but there have been lots of folks try to provide “DPI” and fail badly as they didn’t really understand what they were getting into… and doing it on existing routers is usually the first mistake in my opinion….. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 1:27 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? They've got the resources to do it, would be nice to see someone undercut the existing players. On Thursday, July 23, 2015, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org wrote: I have no idea but if it’s like other attempts I’ve seen from companies to stack heavy CPU “stuff” into a router, then stability and any type of scaling would be first concerns. DPI is a very complex item to see someone like Ubiquiti jump into in my opinion… From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:13 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs have been lifted. Have any of you been using this? Any idea what type of latency is added? That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI tool that I have ever seen
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Only inspection. On 7/24/2015 2:38 PM, TJ Trout wrote: Does this do only inspection or shaping based on inspection? On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote: I think they have different teams on each project and some are more resource limited. they need to spend some more Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 12:02 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote: Now if they could just release the U-NII-1 firmware for the Beam products. SOON! *From:* Jon Langeler mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2015 9:31 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? When you have the volume and variety of products that ubiquiti does, they can do things that nobody else can do especially when they have some specialized 3rd party developers. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 8:52 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote: My view is with DPI, like virus scanning or spam filtering, you are buying the updates as much as the platform. If the signatures and rules aren’t kept up to date, it loses value. Any vendor that uses this feature to sell hardware and doesn’t charge a yearly fee may not understand the task. *From:* Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2015 7:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? LOL … I have a hard time with that term being used with Ubiquiti ;) *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2015 8:30 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? Carrier Grade Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 24, 2015 8:17 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Well it will be interesting … sure would be nice to see someone “disrupt” I agree … but there have been lots of folks try to provide “DPI” and fail badly as they didn’t really understand what they were getting into… and doing it on existing routers is usually the first mistake in my opinion….. *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2015 1:27 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? They've got the resources to do it, would be nice to see someone undercut the existing players. On Thursday, July 23, 2015, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org wrote: I have no idea but if it’s like other attempts I’ve seen from companies to stack heavy CPU “stuff” into a router, then stability and any type of scaling would be first concerns. DPI is a very complex item to see someone like Ubiquiti jump into in my opinion… *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy *Sent:* Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:13 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs have been lifted. Have any of you been using this? Any idea what type of latency is added? That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI tool that I have ever seen
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
When you have the volume and variety of products that ubiquiti does, they can do things that nobody else can do especially when they have some specialized 3rd party developers. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 8:52 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: My view is with DPI, like virus scanning or spam filtering, you are buying the updates as much as the platform. If the signatures and rules aren’t kept up to date, it loses value. Any vendor that uses this feature to sell hardware and doesn’t charge a yearly fee may not understand the task. From: Paul Stewart Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 7:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? LOL … I have a hard time with that term being used with Ubiquiti ;) From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 8:30 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? Carrier Grade Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 24, 2015 8:17 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Well it will be interesting … sure would be nice to see someone “disrupt” I agree … but there have been lots of folks try to provide “DPI” and fail badly as they didn’t really understand what they were getting into… and doing it on existing routers is usually the first mistake in my opinion….. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 1:27 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? They've got the resources to do it, would be nice to see someone undercut the existing players. On Thursday, July 23, 2015, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: I have no idea but if it’s like other attempts I’ve seen from companies to stack heavy CPU “stuff” into a router, then stability and any type of scaling would be first concerns. DPI is a very complex item to see someone like Ubiquiti jump into in my opinion… From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs have been lifted. Have any of you been using this? Any idea what type of latency is added? That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI tool that I have ever seen
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
Seriously?!?!
There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch.
That's a really old one.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 7/24/2015 7:27 AM, Paul Stewart wrote:
Google translator comes up empty on that one J
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Shayne Lebrun
*Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2015 10:16 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
TANSTAAFL.
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
*Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2015 9:32 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
I understand what you’re saying … yes, people (like myself)
complaining about something free … totally understand that part.
But many times when a vendor brings in something major and new, it
often causes problems with code on routers/switches that has worked
perfectly fine for a long time. To bring DPI into any router involves
a significant amount of codebase change very low on the IP stack .. a
lot can go wrong…
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Brett A Mansfield
*Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2015 9:06 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
I had/have that concern as well. But it is mind boggling to me that so
many people are complaining about ubiquiti putting in this value added
feature (quite well I may add). I have never seen so many complaints
about features being added. Shouldn't we instead complain about the
needed features their products are missing?
Complaining about ubiquiti adding in DPI, even if it sucked, is like
complaining that you get a dozen free games when you buy an XBox One.
You may not like the games you get, but they are free and you don't
have to play them if you don't want.
Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield
On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:52 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net
mailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote:
I think the thought is that DPI is a very intensive process and if
the router wasn't designed with enormous overhead or hardware
acceleration, it could be crippling. Maybe those routers were...
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL
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*From: *Brett A Mansfield li...@silverlakeinternet.com
mailto:li...@silverlakeinternet.com
*To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Friday, July 24, 2015 7:50:02 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
I don't know why anyone would have a problem with them putting
this on existing routers. If you don't like their routers, don't
buy them. If you do like their routers but think a feature
shouldn't be there, don't enable it.
I think it's great that ubiquiti innovates the way they do. They
have some great products that blow other products out of the water
in one way or another. And it's forced other companies to lower
their seriously over priced equipment and to rethink their
strategies. Ubiquiti really is disrupting things in the industry
in only good ways.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:17 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org
mailto:p...@paulstewart.org wrote:
Well it will be interesting … sure would be nice to see
someone “disrupt” I agree … but there have been lots of folks
try to provide “DPI” and fail badly as they didn’t really
understand what they were getting into… and doing it on
existing routers is usually the first mistake in my opinion…..
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason
McKemie
*Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2015 1:27 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
They've got the resources to do it, would be nice to see
someone undercut the existing players.
On Thursday, July 23, 2015, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org
mailto:p...@paulstewart.org wrote:
I have no idea but if it’s like other attempts I’ve seen
from companies to stack heavy CPU “stuff” into a router,
then stability and any type of scaling would be first
concerns. DPI is a very complex item to see someone like
Ubiquiti jump into in my opinion…
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
*Sent:* Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:13 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
You missed my post 10 seconds later when the lightbulb went on ;)
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 2:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
Seriously?!?!
There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch.
That's a really old one.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 7/24/2015 7:27 AM, Paul Stewart wrote:
Google translator comes up empty on that one :)
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Shayne Lebrun
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 10:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
TANSTAAFL.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 9:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
I understand what you’re saying … yes, people (like myself) complaining about
something free … totally understand that part.
But many times when a vendor brings in something major and new, it often causes
problems with code on routers/switches that has worked perfectly fine for a
long time. To bring DPI into any router involves a significant amount of
codebase change very low on the IP stack .. a lot can go wrong…
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 9:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
I had/have that concern as well. But it is mind boggling to me that so many
people are complaining about ubiquiti putting in this value added feature
(quite well I may add). I have never seen so many complaints about features
being added. Shouldn't we instead complain about the needed features their
products are missing?
Complaining about ubiquiti adding in DPI, even if it sucked, is like
complaining that you get a dozen free games when you buy an XBox One. You may
not like the games you get, but they are free and you don't have to play them
if you don't want.
Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield
On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:52 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net
mailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote:
I think the thought is that DPI is a very intensive process and if the router
wasn't designed with enormous overhead or hardware acceleration, it could be
crippling. Maybe those routers were...
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb
https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
https://twitter.com/ICSIL
Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com
https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix
https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange
https://twitter.com/mdwestix
_
From: Brett A Mansfield li...@silverlakeinternet.com
mailto:li...@silverlakeinternet.com
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 7:50:02 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
I don't know why anyone would have a problem with them putting this on existing
routers. If you don't like their routers, don't buy them. If you do like their
routers but think a feature shouldn't be there, don't enable it.
I think it's great that ubiquiti innovates the way they do. They have some
great products that blow other products out of the water in one way or another.
And it's forced other companies to lower their seriously over priced equipment
and to rethink their strategies. Ubiquiti really is disrupting things in the
industry in only good ways.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:17 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org
mailto:p...@paulstewart.org wrote:
Well it will be interesting … sure would be nice to see someone “disrupt” I
agree … but there have been lots of folks try to provide “DPI” and fail badly
as they didn’t really understand what they were getting into… and doing it on
existing routers is usually the first mistake in my opinion…..
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 1:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
They've got the resources to do it, would be nice to see someone undercut the
existing players.
On Thursday, July 23, 2015, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org
mailto:p...@paulstewart.org wrote:
I have no idea but if it’s like other attempts I’ve seen from companies to
stack heavy CPU “stuff” into a router, then stability and any type of scaling
would be first concerns. DPI is a very complex item to see someone like
Ubiquiti jump into in my opinion…
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs
have been lifted. Have any of you been using this? Any idea what type of
latency is added
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
The problem when I do mail in a FIFO manner
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 7/24/2015 11:36 AM, Paul Stewart wrote:
You missed my post 10 seconds later when the lightbulb went on ;)
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2015 2:03 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
Seriously?!?!
There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch.
That's a really old one.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 7/24/2015 7:27 AM, Paul Stewart wrote:
Google translator comes up empty on that one J
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Shayne Lebrun
*Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2015 10:16 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
TANSTAAFL.
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
*Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2015 9:32 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
I understand what you’re saying … yes, people (like myself)
complaining about something free … totally understand that part.
But many times when a vendor brings in something major and new, it
often causes problems with code on routers/switches that has
worked perfectly fine for a long time. To bring DPI into any
router involves a significant amount of codebase change very low
on the IP stack .. a lot can go wrong…
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Brett A
Mansfield
*Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2015 9:06 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
I had/have that concern as well. But it is mind boggling to me
that so many people are complaining about ubiquiti putting in this
value added feature (quite well I may add). I have never seen so
many complaints about features being added. Shouldn't we instead
complain about the needed features their products are missing?
Complaining about ubiquiti adding in DPI, even if it sucked, is
like complaining that you get a dozen free games when you buy an
XBox One. You may not like the games you get, but they are free
and you don't have to play them if you don't want.
Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield
On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:52 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net
mailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote:
I think the thought is that DPI is a very intensive process
and if the router wasn't designed with enormous overhead or
hardware acceleration, it could be crippling. Maybe those
routers were...
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL
Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com
https://www.facebook.com/mdwestixhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchangehttps://twitter.com/mdwestix
*From: *Brett A Mansfield li...@silverlakeinternet.com
mailto:li...@silverlakeinternet.com
*To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Friday, July 24, 2015 7:50:02 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
I don't know why anyone would have a problem with them putting
this on existing routers. If you don't like their routers,
don't buy them. If you do like their routers but think a
feature shouldn't be there, don't enable it.
I think it's great that ubiquiti innovates the way they do.
They have some great products that blow other products out of
the water in one way or another. And it's forced other
companies to lower their seriously over priced equipment and
to rethink their strategies. Ubiquiti really is disrupting
things in the industry in only good ways.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:17 AM, Paul Stewart
p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org wrote:
Well it will be interesting … sure would be nice to see
someone “disrupt” I agree … but there have been lots of
folks try to provide “DPI” and fail badly as they didn’t
really understand what they were getting into… and doing
it on existing routers is usually the first mistake in my
opinion…..
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2015 1:27 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
They've got the resources to do it, would be nice to see
someone undercut the existing players.
On Thursday, July 23
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
I think it's cool. I'm probably going to buy an ER now just to check it out. But reading the caveats and the capabilities of it - it is certainly not a replacement for something like a Procera. But, for someone that is just looking for a way to identify some application traffic, especially as a free update, it's pretty impressive. On 7/24/2015 8:06 AM, Brett A Mansfield wrote: I had/have that concern as well. But it is mind boggling to me that so many people are complaining about ubiquiti putting in this value added feature (quite well I may add). I have never seen so many complaints about features being added. Shouldn't we instead complain about the needed features their products are missing? Complaining about ubiquiti adding in DPI, even if it sucked, is like complaining that you get a dozen free games when you buy an XBox One. You may not like the games you get, but they are free and you don't have to play them if you don't want. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:52 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net mailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: I think the thought is that DPI is a very intensive process and if the router wasn't designed with enormous overhead or hardware acceleration, it could be crippling. Maybe those routers were... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestixhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchangehttps://twitter.com/mdwestix *From: *Brett A Mansfield li...@silverlakeinternet.com mailto:li...@silverlakeinternet.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, July 24, 2015 7:50:02 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? I don't know why anyone would have a problem with them putting this on existing routers. If you don't like their routers, don't buy them. If you do like their routers but think a feature shouldn't be there, don't enable it. I think it's great that ubiquiti innovates the way they do. They have some great products that blow other products out of the water in one way or another. And it's forced other companies to lower their seriously over priced equipment and to rethink their strategies. Ubiquiti really is disrupting things in the industry in only good ways. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:17 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Well it will be interesting … sure would be nice to see someone “disrupt” I agree … but there have been lots of folks try to provide “DPI” and fail badly as they didn’t really understand what they were getting into… and doing it on existing routers is usually the first mistake in my opinion….. *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2015 1:27 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? They've got the resources to do it, would be nice to see someone undercut the existing players. On Thursday, July 23, 2015, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org wrote: I have no idea but if it’s like other attempts I’ve seen from companies to stack heavy CPU “stuff” into a router, then stability and any type of scaling would be first concerns. DPI is a very complex item to see someone like Ubiquiti jump into in my opinion… *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy *Sent:* Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:13 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs have been lifted. Have any of you been using this? Any idea what type of latency is added? That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI tool that I have ever seen
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
I think they have different teams on each project and some are more resource limited. they need to spend some more Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 12:02 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Now if they could just release the U-NII-1 firmware for the Beam products. SOON! From: Jon Langeler Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 9:31 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? When you have the volume and variety of products that ubiquiti does, they can do things that nobody else can do especially when they have some specialized 3rd party developers. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 8:52 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: My view is with DPI, like virus scanning or spam filtering, you are buying the updates as much as the platform. If the signatures and rules aren’t kept up to date, it loses value. Any vendor that uses this feature to sell hardware and doesn’t charge a yearly fee may not understand the task. From: Paul Stewart Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 7:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? LOL … I have a hard time with that term being used with Ubiquiti ;) From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 8:30 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? Carrier Grade Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 24, 2015 8:17 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Well it will be interesting … sure would be nice to see someone “disrupt” I agree … but there have been lots of folks try to provide “DPI” and fail badly as they didn’t really understand what they were getting into… and doing it on existing routers is usually the first mistake in my opinion….. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 1:27 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? They've got the resources to do it, would be nice to see someone undercut the existing players. On Thursday, July 23, 2015, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: I have no idea but if it’s like other attempts I’ve seen from companies to stack heavy CPU “stuff” into a router, then stability and any type of scaling would be first concerns. DPI is a very complex item to see someone like Ubiquiti jump into in my opinion… From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs have been lifted. Have any of you been using this? Any idea what type of latency is added? That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI tool that I have ever seen
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Does this do only inspection or shaping based on inspection? On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote: I think they have different teams on each project and some are more resource limited. they need to spend some more Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 12:02 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Now if they could just release the U-NII-1 firmware for the Beam products. SOON! *From:* Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2015 9:31 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? When you have the volume and variety of products that ubiquiti does, they can do things that nobody else can do especially when they have some specialized 3rd party developers. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 8:52 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: My view is with DPI, like virus scanning or spam filtering, you are buying the updates as much as the platform. If the signatures and rules aren’t kept up to date, it loses value. Any vendor that uses this feature to sell hardware and doesn’t charge a yearly fee may not understand the task. *From:* Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2015 7:38 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? LOL … I have a hard time with that term being used with Ubiquiti ;) *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2015 8:30 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? Carrier Grade Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 24, 2015 8:17 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Well it will be interesting … sure would be nice to see someone “disrupt” I agree … but there have been lots of folks try to provide “DPI” and fail badly as they didn’t really understand what they were getting into… and doing it on existing routers is usually the first mistake in my opinion….. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2015 1:27 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? They've got the resources to do it, would be nice to see someone undercut the existing players. On Thursday, July 23, 2015, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: I have no idea but if it’s like other attempts I’ve seen from companies to stack heavy CPU “stuff” into a router, then stability and any type of scaling would be first concerns. DPI is a very complex item to see someone like Ubiquiti jump into in my opinion… *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy *Sent:* Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:13 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs have been lifted. Have any of you been using this? Any idea what type of latency is added? That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI tool that I have ever seen
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+1 :) On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 9:06 AM, Brett A Mansfield li...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote: I had/have that concern as well. But it is mind boggling to me that so many people are complaining about ubiquiti putting in this value added feature (quite well I may add). I have never seen so many complaints about features being added. Shouldn't we instead complain about the needed features their products are missing? Complaining about ubiquiti adding in DPI, even if it sucked, is like complaining that you get a dozen free games when you buy an XBox One. You may not like the games you get, but they are free and you don't have to play them if you don't want. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:52 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: I think the thought is that DPI is a very intensive process and if the router wasn't designed with enormous overhead or hardware acceleration, it could be crippling. Maybe those routers were... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix -- *From: *Brett A Mansfield li...@silverlakeinternet.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, July 24, 2015 7:50:02 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? I don't know why anyone would have a problem with them putting this on existing routers. If you don't like their routers, don't buy them. If you do like their routers but think a feature shouldn't be there, don't enable it. I think it's great that ubiquiti innovates the way they do. They have some great products that blow other products out of the water in one way or another. And it's forced other companies to lower their seriously over priced equipment and to rethink their strategies. Ubiquiti really is disrupting things in the industry in only good ways. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:17 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Well it will be interesting … sure would be nice to see someone “disrupt” I agree … but there have been lots of folks try to provide “DPI” and fail badly as they didn’t really understand what they were getting into… and doing it on existing routers is usually the first mistake in my opinion….. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2015 1:27 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? They've got the resources to do it, would be nice to see someone undercut the existing players. On Thursday, July 23, 2015, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: I have no idea but if it’s like other attempts I’ve seen from companies to stack heavy CPU “stuff” into a router, then stability and any type of scaling would be first concerns. DPI is a very complex item to see someone like Ubiquiti jump into in my opinion… *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy *Sent:* Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:13 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs have been lifted. Have any of you been using this? Any idea what type of latency is added? That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI tool that I have ever seen
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I understand what you’re saying … yes, people (like myself) complaining about something free … totally understand that part. But many times when a vendor brings in something major and new, it often causes problems with code on routers/switches that has worked perfectly fine for a long time. To bring DPI into any router involves a significant amount of codebase change very low on the IP stack .. a lot can go wrong… From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 9:06 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? I had/have that concern as well. But it is mind boggling to me that so many people are complaining about ubiquiti putting in this value added feature (quite well I may add). I have never seen so many complaints about features being added. Shouldn't we instead complain about the needed features their products are missing? Complaining about ubiquiti adding in DPI, even if it sucked, is like complaining that you get a dozen free games when you buy an XBox One. You may not like the games you get, but they are free and you don't have to play them if you don't want. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:52 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net mailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: I think the thought is that DPI is a very intensive process and if the router wasn't designed with enormous overhead or hardware acceleration, it could be crippling. Maybe those routers were... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix _ From: Brett A Mansfield li...@silverlakeinternet.com mailto:li...@silverlakeinternet.com To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 7:50:02 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? I don't know why anyone would have a problem with them putting this on existing routers. If you don't like their routers, don't buy them. If you do like their routers but think a feature shouldn't be there, don't enable it. I think it's great that ubiquiti innovates the way they do. They have some great products that blow other products out of the water in one way or another. And it's forced other companies to lower their seriously over priced equipment and to rethink their strategies. Ubiquiti really is disrupting things in the industry in only good ways. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:17 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Well it will be interesting … sure would be nice to see someone “disrupt” I agree … but there have been lots of folks try to provide “DPI” and fail badly as they didn’t really understand what they were getting into… and doing it on existing routers is usually the first mistake in my opinion….. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 1:27 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? They've got the resources to do it, would be nice to see someone undercut the existing players. On Thursday, July 23, 2015, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org wrote: I have no idea but if it’s like other attempts I’ve seen from companies to stack heavy CPU “stuff” into a router, then stability and any type of scaling would be first concerns. DPI is a very complex item to see someone like Ubiquiti jump into in my opinion… From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:13 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs have been lifted. Have any of you been using this? Any idea what type of latency is added? That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI tool that I have ever seen
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Because routers typically don’t have the “horsepower” to drive DPI related tasks. Every major DPI vendor uses a series of (typically custom) ASIC’s to offload the intensive processing required. I would also question if Ubiquiti is really loading up the internal resources required to support something they are giving away for free… I think Ubiquiti has done a great job at disrupting for sure .. and I know that myself personally am going to spend some time again looking at their stuff and try to understand where it “fits”.But name one company that has had to “lower their seriously over priced equipment and to rethink their strategies” because of Ubiquiti routers/switches? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 8:50 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? I don't know why anyone would have a problem with them putting this on existing routers. If you don't like their routers, don't buy them. If you do like their routers but think a feature shouldn't be there, don't enable it. I think it's great that ubiquiti innovates the way they do. They have some great products that blow other products out of the water in one way or another. And it's forced other companies to lower their seriously over priced equipment and to rethink their strategies. Ubiquiti really is disrupting things in the industry in only good ways. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:17 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Well it will be interesting … sure would be nice to see someone “disrupt” I agree … but there have been lots of folks try to provide “DPI” and fail badly as they didn’t really understand what they were getting into… and doing it on existing routers is usually the first mistake in my opinion….. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 1:27 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? They've got the resources to do it, would be nice to see someone undercut the existing players. On Thursday, July 23, 2015, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org wrote: I have no idea but if it’s like other attempts I’ve seen from companies to stack heavy CPU “stuff” into a router, then stability and any type of scaling would be first concerns. DPI is a very complex item to see someone like Ubiquiti jump into in my opinion… From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com'); ] On Behalf Of Jeremy Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:13 PM To: af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs have been lifted. Have any of you been using this? Any idea what type of latency is added? That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI tool that I have ever seen
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Yup… and sometimes “perceived value” is just as important … perhaps they found a way to roll out DPI and fully support it … a DPI that works and is updated/supported … that would truly be awesome. But sometimes to get people to “buy in” to stuff there has to be some kind of value … and the value of “oh we include that for free” works negatively in a lot of situations – especially for those folks that have been working with various DPI gear for a long time. It’s hard to take it seriously is what I’m saying… From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 8:52 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? My view is with DPI, like virus scanning or spam filtering, you are buying the updates as much as the platform. If the signatures and rules aren’t kept up to date, it loses value. Any vendor that uses this feature to sell hardware and doesn’t charge a yearly fee may not understand the task. From: Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 7:38 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? LOL … I have a hard time with that term being used with Ubiquiti ;) From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 8:30 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? Carrier Grade Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 24, 2015 8:17 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Well it will be interesting … sure would be nice to see someone “disrupt” I agree … but there have been lots of folks try to provide “DPI” and fail badly as they didn’t really understand what they were getting into… and doing it on existing routers is usually the first mistake in my opinion….. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 1:27 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? They've got the resources to do it, would be nice to see someone undercut the existing players. On Thursday, July 23, 2015, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org wrote: I have no idea but if it’s like other attempts I’ve seen from companies to stack heavy CPU “stuff” into a router, then stability and any type of scaling would be first concerns. DPI is a very complex item to see someone like Ubiquiti jump into in my opinion… From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:13 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs have been lifted. Have any of you been using this? Any idea what type of latency is added? That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI tool that I have ever seen
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LOL … I have a hard time with that term being used with Ubiquiti ;) From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 8:30 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? Carrier Grade Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 24, 2015 8:17 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Well it will be interesting … sure would be nice to see someone “disrupt” I agree … but there have been lots of folks try to provide “DPI” and fail badly as they didn’t really understand what they were getting into… and doing it on existing routers is usually the first mistake in my opinion….. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 1:27 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? They've got the resources to do it, would be nice to see someone undercut the existing players. On Thursday, July 23, 2015, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org wrote: I have no idea but if it’s like other attempts I’ve seen from companies to stack heavy CPU “stuff” into a router, then stability and any type of scaling would be first concerns. DPI is a very complex item to see someone like Ubiquiti jump into in my opinion… From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:13 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs have been lifted. Have any of you been using this? Any idea what type of latency is added? That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI tool that I have ever seen
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Carrier Grade Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 24, 2015 8:17 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Well it will be interesting … sure would be nice to see someone “disrupt” I agree … but there have been lots of folks try to provide “DPI” and fail badly as they didn’t really understand what they were getting into… and doing it on existing routers is usually the first mistake in my opinion….. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2015 1:27 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? They've got the resources to do it, would be nice to see someone undercut the existing players. On Thursday, July 23, 2015, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: I have no idea but if it’s like other attempts I’ve seen from companies to stack heavy CPU “stuff” into a router, then stability and any type of scaling would be first concerns. DPI is a very complex item to see someone like Ubiquiti jump into in my opinion… *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy *Sent:* Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:13 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs have been lifted. Have any of you been using this? Any idea what type of latency is added? That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI tool that I have ever seen
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I'll forward you... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 23, 2015 8:13 PM, Simon Westlake simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote: Anyone got any screenshots of it? I couldn't find much info on the UBNT website. On 7/23/2015 6:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I have a feeling it's just a nice l nicely wrapped ntop coming from Vyatta. I'd love to be surprised. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 23, 2015 7:13 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs have been lifted. Have any of you been using this? Any idea what type of latency is added? That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI tool that I have ever seen
[AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs have been lifted. Have any of you been using this? Any idea what type of latency is added? That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI tool that I have ever seen
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
I'm reading the engineering info. Looks like you would almost want to deploy an ER standalone to do this, as there are a lot of things that makes DPI not work. A few things to note: * This feature is integrated with the offload feature, so unlike NetFlow (flow accounting), it does not disable offload. Conversely, stats are not available for traffic that is not offloaded. More specifically, here are examples of the common cases where traffic would not show up in traffic analysis: o In this context offload refers to the IPv4 forwarding, VLAN, PPPoE, and GRE offload. If offload is disabled in the configuration (system offload ipv4 ...) then traffic analysis would not show traffic of course. o Currently if NetFlow (system flow-accounting ...) or modify firewall rule (firewall modify ...) is configured, offload is disabled completely in which case no traffic is eligible for traffic analysis. (Exception is if modify firewall is only used for table or lb-group action then offload is not disabled.) o Traffic to which QoS policy is applied is not eligible for offload and therefore will not appear in traffic analysis. This includes the traffic-policy and the new traffic-control (smart queue) settings in the configuration. In such cases traffic that are not affected by QoS (e.g., traffic on other interfaces) can still be offloaded and still be displayed in traffic analysis. o Traffic going through certain interface types are not offloaded, for example, bridge, bonding, pseudo-ethernet, VPN interfaces, etc. o Traffic that needs to be processed by certain firewall rules are not offloaded, for example, packets going through firewall rules that involve limit, recent, or time matching criteria will not be offloaded. You can also cannot perform any policy enforcement using the rules, so I think it is a bit of creative marketing to say compare it directly to fully fledged DPI systems. That being said, the interface looks pretty nice and I can see it being useful for diagnosis and monitoring. On 7/23/2015 7:15 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I'll forward you... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 23, 2015 8:13 PM, Simon Westlake simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com mailto:simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote: Anyone got any screenshots of it? I couldn't find much info on the UBNT website. On 7/23/2015 6:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I have a feeling it's just a nice l nicely wrapped ntop coming from Vyatta. I'd love to be surprised. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 23, 2015 7:13 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs have been lifted. Have any of you been using this? Any idea what type of latency is added? That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI tool that I have ever seen
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
It has a web page... http://us8.campaign-archive1.com/?u=bc856e62a9254399365d0277bid=5529d7c3a0e=6026330fbc Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 23, 2015 8:15 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'll forward you... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 23, 2015 8:13 PM, Simon Westlake simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote: Anyone got any screenshots of it? I couldn't find much info on the UBNT website. On 7/23/2015 6:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I have a feeling it's just a nice l nicely wrapped ntop coming from Vyatta. I'd love to be surprised. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 23, 2015 7:13 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs have been lifted. Have any of you been using this? Any idea what type of latency is added? That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI tool that I have ever seen
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
Hi Brett - Was this while in beta? What did support have to say with issue? Thanks, Ben On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 6:03 PM, Brett A Mansfield li...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote: I had dpi running for one day in my ER Pro 8 and it panicked in less that 24 hours. I turned it off and it's been good since. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:13 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs have been lifted. Have any of you been using this? Any idea what type of latency is added? That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI tool that I have ever seen
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
I had dpi running for one day in my ER Pro 8 and it panicked in less that 24 hours. I turned it off and it's been good since. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:13 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs have been lifted. Have any of you been using this? Any idea what type of latency is added? That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI tool that I have ever seen
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
Anyone got any screenshots of it? I couldn't find much info on the UBNT website. On 7/23/2015 6:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I have a feeling it's just a nice l nicely wrapped ntop coming from Vyatta. I'd love to be surprised. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 23, 2015 7:13 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs have been lifted. Have any of you been using this? Any idea what type of latency is added? That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI tool that I have ever seen
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5AHsGlAMNIfeature=youtu.be for anyone else interested On 7/23/2015 7:13 PM, Simon Westlake wrote: Anyone got any screenshots of it? I couldn't find much info on the UBNT website. On 7/23/2015 6:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I have a feeling it's just a nice l nicely wrapped ntop coming from Vyatta. I'd love to be surprised. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 23, 2015 7:13 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs have been lifted. Have any of you been using this? Any idea what type of latency is added? That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI tool that I have ever seen
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
I have a feeling it's just a nice l nicely wrapped ntop coming from Vyatta. I'd love to be surprised. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 23, 2015 7:13 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs have been lifted. Have any of you been using this? Any idea what type of latency is added? That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI tool that I have ever seen
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
It was not beta. It was the day 1.7.0 was GA. It is possible that it was not the DPI, but it's been stable since I shut off DPI. I never contacted support because I've been too busy and DPI is a luxury to me, not a necessity. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 23, 2015, at 6:04 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Hi Brett - Was this while in beta? What did support have to say with issue? Thanks, Ben On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 6:03 PM, Brett A Mansfield li...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote: I had dpi running for one day in my ER Pro 8 and it panicked in less that 24 hours. I turned it off and it's been good since. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:13 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs have been lifted. Have any of you been using this? Any idea what type of latency is added? That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI tool that I have ever seen
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
Are they all west coast testers? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 23, 2015 8:33 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: OK Thanks. Please let us know if you test again and any issues. The beta customers and customers that have been using since have been happy (have not heard of other complaints). Thanks, Ben On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Brett A Mansfield li...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote: It was not beta. It was the day 1.7.0 was GA. It is possible that it was not the DPI, but it's been stable since I shut off DPI. I never contacted support because I've been too busy and DPI is a luxury to me, not a necessity. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 23, 2015, at 6:04 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Hi Brett - Was this while in beta? What did support have to say with issue? Thanks, Ben On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 6:03 PM, Brett A Mansfield li...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote: I had dpi running for one day in my ER Pro 8 and it panicked in less that 24 hours. I turned it off and it's been good since. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:13 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs have been lifted. Have any of you been using this? Any idea what type of latency is added? That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI tool that I have ever seen
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
I haven't had any issues in our deep-south office ;) On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 8:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Are they all west coast testers? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 23, 2015 8:33 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: OK Thanks. Please let us know if you test again and any issues. The beta customers and customers that have been using since have been happy (have not heard of other complaints). Thanks, Ben On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Brett A Mansfield li...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote: It was not beta. It was the day 1.7.0 was GA. It is possible that it was not the DPI, but it's been stable since I shut off DPI. I never contacted support because I've been too busy and DPI is a luxury to me, not a necessity. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 23, 2015, at 6:04 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Hi Brett - Was this while in beta? What did support have to say with issue? Thanks, Ben On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 6:03 PM, Brett A Mansfield li...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote: I had dpi running for one day in my ER Pro 8 and it panicked in less that 24 hours. I turned it off and it's been good since. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:13 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs have been lifted. Have any of you been using this? Any idea what type of latency is added? That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI tool that I have ever seen
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
They've got the resources to do it, would be nice to see someone undercut the existing players. On Thursday, July 23, 2015, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: I have no idea but if it’s like other attempts I’ve seen from companies to stack heavy CPU “stuff” into a router, then stability and any type of scaling would be first concerns. DPI is a very complex item to see someone like Ubiquiti jump into in my opinion… *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');] *On Behalf Of * Jeremy *Sent:* Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:13 PM *To:* af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Subject:* [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs have been lifted. Have any of you been using this? Any idea what type of latency is added? That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI tool that I have ever seen
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
OK Thanks. Please let us know if you test again and any issues. The beta customers and customers that have been using since have been happy (have not heard of other complaints). Thanks, Ben On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Brett A Mansfield li...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote: It was not beta. It was the day 1.7.0 was GA. It is possible that it was not the DPI, but it's been stable since I shut off DPI. I never contacted support because I've been too busy and DPI is a luxury to me, not a necessity. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 23, 2015, at 6:04 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Hi Brett - Was this while in beta? What did support have to say with issue? Thanks, Ben On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 6:03 PM, Brett A Mansfield li...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote: I had dpi running for one day in my ER Pro 8 and it panicked in less that 24 hours. I turned it off and it's been good since. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:13 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs have been lifted. Have any of you been using this? Any idea what type of latency is added? That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI tool that I have ever seen
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
I have no idea but if it’s like other attempts I’ve seen from companies to stack heavy CPU “stuff” into a router, then stability and any type of scaling would be first concerns. DPI is a very complex item to see someone like Ubiquiti jump into in my opinion… From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs have been lifted. Have any of you been using this? Any idea what type of latency is added? That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI tool that I have ever seen
Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
Well you'd get in the devs face if it was busted! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 23, 2015 10:15 PM, Matt Hardy m...@ubnt.com wrote: I haven't had any issues in our deep-south office ;) On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 8:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Are they all west coast testers? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 23, 2015 8:33 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: OK Thanks. Please let us know if you test again and any issues. The beta customers and customers that have been using since have been happy (have not heard of other complaints). Thanks, Ben On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Brett A Mansfield li...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote: It was not beta. It was the day 1.7.0 was GA. It is possible that it was not the DPI, but it's been stable since I shut off DPI. I never contacted support because I've been too busy and DPI is a luxury to me, not a necessity. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 23, 2015, at 6:04 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Hi Brett - Was this while in beta? What did support have to say with issue? Thanks, Ben On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 6:03 PM, Brett A Mansfield li...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote: I had dpi running for one day in my ER Pro 8 and it panicked in less that 24 hours. I turned it off and it's been good since. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:13 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs have been lifted. Have any of you been using this? Any idea what type of latency is added? That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI tool that I have ever seen
