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I like this dark fiber model too, but I think it's been tried, probably at the wrong time though. I know there were several companies doing that down here in the DFW area back in the late 90's. None left. My buddy, who worked for one for a while ended up taking the job as IT Director for the city of Frisco, a wealthy suburb north of Dallas. Every time they tore up a road for any reason, he would make them put in fiber with the idea that the city could not only serve it's own needs but generate revenue that wasn't tied to the taxpayers. When the not so forward thinking city manager put a stop to it, my buddy resigned. I would think that any company doing this on a large scale would need some major funding and at least some laws to fast track the regulatory process so they wouldn't have to fight permitting and zoning in every municipality in the country. Unfortunately, that means politics which generally leads to how much of the tax payer's money is involved whether it is loans or grants or just greasing the palms of everyone who wants a piece of the pie. On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 5:35 PM, wrote: > On Wednesday, February 01, 2017 Ken Hohhof wrote: > > How sure are you that 20 years from now, that investment will still look > “future proof”? > Looking down at the fiber I put down the better part of twenty years ago > and still use, I say, yeah, it's still good for another twenty years and > about as future proof as anything gets. > > > Or will it look like 8-track tapes and CB radio and non-flying cars and > meat made from animals? > Commercial products will give me 10 Tbps per fiber and the C band is > theoretically good for at least 100 Tbps, so I think we've got scalability > pretty well down and we aren't going to run out of bits any time soon. > > Assuming there was something better out there, we'd know about it by > now. Commercial products don't just appear from the thin ether. They take > years of R&D to commercialize. At the very least we should have scientific > papers detailing revolutionary breakthroughs in science that will lead to > something replacing fiber in twenty years. > > > I remember when we were supposed to wire every house for ISDN, because > in the future, everyone would “need” two 64 kbps bearer channels and a 16 > kbps data > > channel and “integrated services”. > I think picking on ISDN is a bit myopic. ISDN turned into g.fast which > will do a respectable gigabit over short distances. > > > Jared >
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First fiber I was involved with was in 1990, so 27 years or so and still going strong. -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 4:35 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these On Wednesday, February 01, 2017 Ken Hohhof wrote: How sure are you that 20 years from now, that investment will still look “future proof”? Looking down at the fiber I put down the better part of twenty years ago and still use, I say, yeah, it's still good for another twenty years and about as future proof as anything gets. Or will it look like 8-track tapes and CB radio and non-flying cars and meat made from animals? Commercial products will give me 10 Tbps per fiber and the C band is theoretically good for at least 100 Tbps, so I think we've got scalability pretty well down and we aren't going to run out of bits any time soon. Assuming there was something better out there, we'd know about it by now. Commercial products don't just appear from the thin ether. They take years of R&D to commercialize. At the very least we should have scientific papers detailing revolutionary breakthroughs in science that will lead to something replacing fiber in twenty years. I remember when we were supposed to wire every house for ISDN, because in the future, everyone would “need” two 64 kbps bearer channels and a 16 kbps data channel and “integrated services”. I think picking on ISDN is a bit myopic. ISDN turned into g.fast which will do a respectable gigabit over short distances. Jared
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On Wednesday, February 01, 2017 Ken Hohhof wrote: > How sure are you that 20 years from now, that investment will still look > “future proof”? Looking down at the fiber I put down the better part of twenty years ago and still use, I say, yeah, it's still good for another twenty years and about as future proof as anything gets. > Or will it look like 8-track tapes and CB radio and non-flying cars and meat > made from animals? Commercial products will give me 10 Tbps per fiber and the C band is theoretically good for at least 100 Tbps, so I think we've got scalability pretty well down and we aren't going to run out of bits any time soon. Assuming there was something better out there, we'd know about it by now. Commercial products don't just appear from the thin ether. They take years of R&D to commercialize. At the very least we should have scientific papers detailing revolutionary breakthroughs in science that will lead to something replacing fiber in twenty years. > I remember when we were supposed to wire every house for ISDN, because in the > future, everyone would “need” two 64 kbps bearer channels and a 16 kbps data > channel and “integrated services”. I think picking on ISDN is a bit myopic. ISDN turned into g.fast which will do a respectable gigabit over short distances. Jared
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I think you are right. Perhaps they do now. -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 4:06 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Did UTOPIA sell dark fiber? I thought they only did bitstream access. Jared Chuck McCown wrote: UTOPIA didn't exactly set the world on fire down here. -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 3:58 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these The dark fiber loop in my city (Idaho Falls, Idaho) works extremely well for the entire city. There are many providers, even private companies, that lease a dark fiber pair and pay the city a monthly rate. Travis On 2/1/2017 3:40 PM, fiber...@mail.com wrote: > Chuck McCown wrote: >> Who owns the dark fiber network? >> Government - we all know how good they are at doing things like this. >Others manage. See for example Stokab owned by the city of Stockholm > in > Sweden. > >> Private - so we create good old Ma Bell all over again? >First, it does not have to be a single private company. > >Second, the owner being a private company need not be a problem. > Non-discriminatory access to everybody, at set rates with prohibitions > against cross-ownership and the offering of retail services. See > examples > from other industries with wholesale infrastructure providers and > structural separation in the telecom industry. > >Third, there's a pretty big difference between recreating Ma Bell and > creating a (regional) dark fiber company that does nothing else than > rent > dark fiber. > >> Existing carriers forced to open their networks? OK if you like the >> Venezuela solution to things. >My proposal does not require existing carriers to open up their > networks. > >> New networks built by low bidder defense contractor? Great, >> replication >> and tax bite too. >Where did this come from? I said nothing about defense contractors or > tax financing. > > > Jared >
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Did UTOPIA sell dark fiber? I thought they only did bitstream access. Jared > Chuck McCown wrote: > > UTOPIA didn't exactly set the world on fire down here. > > -Original Message- > From: Travis Johnson > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 3:58 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these > > The dark fiber loop in my city (Idaho Falls, Idaho) works extremely well > for the entire city. There are many providers, even private companies, > that lease a dark fiber pair and pay the city a monthly rate. > > Travis > > > On 2/1/2017 3:40 PM, fiber...@mail.com wrote: > > Chuck McCown wrote: > >> Who owns the dark fiber network? > >> Government - we all know how good they are at doing things like this. > >Others manage. See for example Stokab owned by the city of Stockholm in > > Sweden. > > > >> Private - so we create good old Ma Bell all over again? > >First, it does not have to be a single private company. > > > >Second, the owner being a private company need not be a problem. > > Non-discriminatory access to everybody, at set rates with prohibitions > > against cross-ownership and the offering of retail services. See examples > > from other industries with wholesale infrastructure providers and > > structural separation in the telecom industry. > > > >Third, there's a pretty big difference between recreating Ma Bell and > > creating a (regional) dark fiber company that does nothing else than rent > > dark fiber. > > > >> Existing carriers forced to open their networks? OK if you like the > >> Venezuela solution to things. > >My proposal does not require existing carriers to open up their > > networks. > > > >> New networks built by low bidder defense contractor? Great, replication > >> and tax bite too. > >Where did this come from? I said nothing about defense contractors or > > tax financing. > > > > > > Jared > > > >
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UTOPIA didn't exactly set the world on fire down here. -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 3:58 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these The dark fiber loop in my city (Idaho Falls, Idaho) works extremely well for the entire city. There are many providers, even private companies, that lease a dark fiber pair and pay the city a monthly rate. Travis On 2/1/2017 3:40 PM, fiber...@mail.com wrote: Chuck McCown wrote: Who owns the dark fiber network? Government - we all know how good they are at doing things like this. Others manage. See for example Stokab owned by the city of Stockholm in Sweden. Private - so we create good old Ma Bell all over again? First, it does not have to be a single private company. Second, the owner being a private company need not be a problem. Non-discriminatory access to everybody, at set rates with prohibitions against cross-ownership and the offering of retail services. See examples from other industries with wholesale infrastructure providers and structural separation in the telecom industry. Third, there's a pretty big difference between recreating Ma Bell and creating a (regional) dark fiber company that does nothing else than rent dark fiber. Existing carriers forced to open their networks? OK if you like the Venezuela solution to things. My proposal does not require existing carriers to open up their networks. New networks built by low bidder defense contractor? Great, replication and tax bite too. Where did this come from? I said nothing about defense contractors or tax financing. Jared
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The dark fiber loop in my city (Idaho Falls, Idaho) works extremely well for the entire city. There are many providers, even private companies, that lease a dark fiber pair and pay the city a monthly rate. Travis On 2/1/2017 3:40 PM, fiber...@mail.com wrote: Chuck McCown wrote: Who owns the dark fiber network? Government - we all know how good they are at doing things like this. Others manage. See for example Stokab owned by the city of Stockholm in Sweden. Private - so we create good old Ma Bell all over again? First, it does not have to be a single private company. Second, the owner being a private company need not be a problem. Non-discriminatory access to everybody, at set rates with prohibitions against cross-ownership and the offering of retail services. See examples from other industries with wholesale infrastructure providers and structural separation in the telecom industry. Third, there's a pretty big difference between recreating Ma Bell and creating a (regional) dark fiber company that does nothing else than rent dark fiber. Existing carriers forced to open their networks? OK if you like the Venezuela solution to things. My proposal does not require existing carriers to open up their networks. New networks built by low bidder defense contractor? Great, replication and tax bite too. Where did this come from? I said nothing about defense contractors or tax financing. Jared
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I don’t know that it’s a false dilemma - I mentioned it with the caveat that it’s probably not politically possible even if it was advisable (and I don’t believe it is). The obvious model is the electric distribution deregulation that has occurred in a lot of states where the distribution and generation components are separate entities. Mark > On Feb 1, 2017, at 5:22 PM, fiber...@mail.com wrote: > > Mark, > > I believe you have presented a false dilemma. Those are not the only options. > > The best option would be to have an open access dark fiber network with cost > plus pricing, averaged over the whole network. > > With this model it doesn't matter much who does the building, who does the > financing or for that matter even who does the owning. > > This would also keep true competition alive and flourishing on the level that > matters, the offering of Internet and other services. > > It is inefficient to build competing infrastructures and temporary solutions. > > Now, I don't expect the rational thing to be done, but, hey, a man can dream. > > Jared > > > > > On Wednesday, February 01, 2017 Mark Radabaugh wrote: > > Adam, > > > So 2 questions for you (or anyone)… > > Do you think the government should fund private companies to build fiber > everywhere because 10Mb won’t be sufficient for the “need”, not the “want”. > Do we as a country spend a lot of public money to effectively create a > monopoly fiber carrier in every region? Or is it better to make sure > everyone has access to 10Mb and allow the free market to compete for the > “want”? To me the former creates a monopoly with government money with all > of it’s inefficiencies and long term harm to the consumer.The latter > takes longer but has a better chance of staying competitive. > > The ‘monopoly last mile provider’ model is probably not going to happen in > the US. While it could I don’t see any current political chance of that > happening. > > Given the major providers as well as the wanna-be’s like Google are giving up > on FTTH builds in favor of fiber -> 5G builds now, why should the FCC still > be pushing the FTTX only model? > > Given 5G is little more than hype at this point I have my doubts that the > model will actually work, but that’s another story. > > I’m asking these questions in the WISPA FCC chair capacity because I want to > understand what our policy should be, keeping in mind that government funding > schemes are rarely friendly to small companies and often result in > significant harm. > > As Amplex - I’m building fiber to towers, FTTH on the routes to the towers > and in wooded areas I can’t otherwise serve, and creating micro pops along > the way on the fiber routes. Personally I think that is the winning answer > for the future - but that’s just me. > > Mark > > > On Feb 1, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Adam Moffett > mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com]> wrote: > > I agree with you on the need. In my mind, nobody "needs" more than 1meg. > 10meg generally makes them happy and not have too fuss about how they're > using it (for now). They "want" 25-100 meg for all their entertainment. > > Put another way: I might only "need" 10 amps of electrical capacity as long > as I'm careful about how I'm using it, but my 200 amp service makes me a > happy and contented consumer for the foreseeable future. > > Regardless of what anyone "needs", fiber is going to end up the standard > delivery mechanism for data because it will meet the need of today and the > need of next year and the next 50 years. If you build anything else, then in > the long run you'll have people still clamoring for improvement and it will > end up being replaced. > > There's nothing wrong with meeting the immediate need with wireless, and you > can absolutely make money doing it, but the long term and permanent answer is > going to be fiber. So if you want to stay relevant in the future you'll be > looking at how to get into that game whether it's with private funding or > government subsidy. > > This is a WISP, we're a WISPA member, and I want WISP's to succeed.but > facts is facts. > > -Adam > > > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Mark Radabaugh" mailto:m...@amplex.net]> > To: af@afmug.com[mailto:af@afmug.com] > Sent: 2/1/2017 2:11:22 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these > > > Chuck, > > Explain why we would have to bury fiber for that customer when the current > standard for ‘served’ for
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No, I wasn't referring to the cell companies. They don't do fixed broadband. Jared From: "Chuck McCown wrote: You mean like T Mobile, AT&T, Verizon & Sprint... -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com It is inefficient to build competing infrastructures and temporary solutions. Jared
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Like the $238 "tax" on my fiber lease that runs between state lines? per month? - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these And it depends on how much of the loop is allocated to interstate vs intrastate etc. Some states have intrastate pooling some don’t. Revenue requirements are made out of sausage. Lots of bits from here and there. From: Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 3:17 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these NECA long distance pooling settlements. Lots of components to filling out the revenue requirement. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 3:16 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these and the rest of it? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -- From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 4:15:25 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Certainly that is a component of the debt service. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 3:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these How is the loan paid back? That customer's $50/month plan? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -- From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 2:47:14 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these No, that is a loan. Just like everyone else here that needs to borrow to build. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 1:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these You got money from someone that wasn't the customer? That's a subsidy. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -- From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 2:15:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Got zero subsidy. Just earning the same rate of return all the other LECs earn. It is a cost recovery mechanism, not a subsidy. It replaced the super high long distance charges of times past. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 1:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Any of them getting 1/10th of the subsidy you got. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -- From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 2:11:57 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these What wisp? Show me the wisp that would do this. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 1:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these If you plowed 20 miles of fiber for one house, you can bet your ass a WISP would do the same. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -- From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 11:38:35 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Depends on what you call rural. I have served areas with perhaps 1 house every 5 miles. You are not going to find a wisp willing to build out in areas like that. I plowed 20 miles of fiber for one single house. From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:34 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these If WISPA does their job well, small business can more effectively service the rural markets than the telcos, for alot less money On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: You think? It seems like the Republicans are in the pocket of big telco, so I wouldn't hold my breath. On Wednesday, February 1, 2017, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: i think that bank account may be closed very soon On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: Lipstick on a pig. The copper in still rotting in the ground and the only approved Centurylink fix appears to be the upgrade from black to orange trash bags. Except when those are out of stock.
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Chuck McCown wrote: > Who owns the dark fiber network? > Government - we all know how good they are at doing things like this. Others manage. See for example Stokab owned by the city of Stockholm in Sweden. > Private - so we create good old Ma Bell all over again? First, it does not have to be a single private company. Second, the owner being a private company need not be a problem. Non-discriminatory access to everybody, at set rates with prohibitions against cross-ownership and the offering of retail services. See examples from other industries with wholesale infrastructure providers and structural separation in the telecom industry. Third, there's a pretty big difference between recreating Ma Bell and creating a (regional) dark fiber company that does nothing else than rent dark fiber. > Existing carriers forced to open their networks? OK if you like the > Venezuela solution to things. My proposal does not require existing carriers to open up their networks. > New networks built by low bidder defense contractor? Great, replication and > tax bite too. Where did this come from? I said nothing about defense contractors or tax financing. Jared
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Prior to 1996 it was 100% paid by local customer revenue and NECA long distance pooling. From: Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 3:19 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these And it depends on how much of the loop is allocated to interstate vs intrastate etc. Some states have intrastate pooling some don’t. Revenue requirements are made out of sausage. Lots of bits from here and there. From: Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 3:17 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these NECA long distance pooling settlements. Lots of components to filling out the revenue requirement. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 3:16 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these and the rest of it? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 4:15:25 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Certainly that is a component of the debt service. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 3:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these How is the loan paid back? That customer's $50/month plan? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 2:47:14 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these No, that is a loan. Just like everyone else here that needs to borrow to build. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 1:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these You got money from someone that wasn't the customer? That's a subsidy. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 2:15:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Got zero subsidy. Just earning the same rate of return all the other LECs earn. It is a cost recovery mechanism, not a subsidy. It replaced the super high long distance charges of times past. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 1:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Any of them getting 1/10th of the subsidy you got. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 2:11:57 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these What wisp? Show me the wisp that would do this. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 1:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these If you plowed 20 miles of fiber for one house, you can bet your ass a WISP would do the same. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 11:38:35 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Depends on what you call rural. I have served areas with perhaps 1 house every 5 miles. You are not going to find a wisp willing to build out in areas like that. I plowed 20 miles of fiber for one single house. From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:34 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these If WISPA does their job well, small business can more effectively service the rural markets than the telcos, for alot less money On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: You think? It seems like the Republicans are in the pocket of big telco, so I wouldn't hold my breath. On Wednesday, February 1, 2017, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: i think that bank account may be closed very soon On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: Lipstick on a pig. The copper in still rotting in the ground and the only approved Centurylink fix appears to be the upgrade from black to orange trash bags. Except when those are out of stock. Centurylink will be back to the FCC shortly crying about how the need more support money to fix the plant. The only question is if they do it this year or next. Mark Radabaugh WISPA FCC Committee Chair f
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They didn’t get any pork, nor did Comcast. From: Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 3:28 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these You mean like T Mobile, AT&T, Verizon & Sprint... -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com It is inefficient to build competing infrastructures and temporary solutions. Jared
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You mean like T Mobile, AT&T, Verizon & Sprint... -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com It is inefficient to build competing infrastructures and temporary solutions. Jared
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Who owns the dark fiber network? Government - we all know how good they are at doing things like this. Private - so we create good old Ma Bell all over again? Existing carriers forced to open their networks? OK if you like the Venezuela solution to things. New networks built by low bidder defense contractor? Great, replication and tax bite too. ? -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 3:22 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Mark, I believe you have presented a false dilemma. Those are not the only options. The best option would be to have an open access dark fiber network with cost plus pricing, averaged over the whole network. With this model it doesn't matter much who does the building, who does the financing or for that matter even who does the owning. This would also keep true competition alive and flourishing on the level that matters, the offering of Internet and other services. It is inefficient to build competing infrastructures and temporary solutions. Now, I don't expect the rational thing to be done, but, hey, a man can dream. Jared On Wednesday, February 01, 2017 Mark Radabaugh wrote: Adam, So 2 questions for you (or anyone)… Do you think the government should fund private companies to build fiber everywhere because 10Mb won’t be sufficient for the “need”, not the “want”. Do we as a country spend a lot of public money to effectively create a monopoly fiber carrier in every region? Or is it better to make sure everyone has access to 10Mb and allow the free market to compete for the “want”? To me the former creates a monopoly with government money with all of it’s inefficiencies and long term harm to the consumer.The latter takes longer but has a better chance of staying competitive. The ‘monopoly last mile provider’ model is probably not going to happen in the US. While it could I don’t see any current political chance of that happening. Given the major providers as well as the wanna-be’s like Google are giving up on FTTH builds in favor of fiber -> 5G builds now, why should the FCC still be pushing the FTTX only model? Given 5G is little more than hype at this point I have my doubts that the model will actually work, but that’s another story. I’m asking these questions in the WISPA FCC chair capacity because I want to understand what our policy should be, keeping in mind that government funding schemes are rarely friendly to small companies and often result in significant harm. As Amplex - I’m building fiber to towers, FTTH on the routes to the towers and in wooded areas I can’t otherwise serve, and creating micro pops along the way on the fiber routes. Personally I think that is the winning answer for the future - but that’s just me. Mark On Feb 1, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com]> wrote: I agree with you on the need. In my mind, nobody "needs" more than 1meg. 10meg generally makes them happy and not have too fuss about how they're using it (for now). They "want" 25-100 meg for all their entertainment. Put another way: I might only "need" 10 amps of electrical capacity as long as I'm careful about how I'm using it, but my 200 amp service makes me a happy and contented consumer for the foreseeable future. Regardless of what anyone "needs", fiber is going to end up the standard delivery mechanism for data because it will meet the need of today and the need of next year and the next 50 years. If you build anything else, then in the long run you'll have people still clamoring for improvement and it will end up being replaced. There's nothing wrong with meeting the immediate need with wireless, and you can absolutely make money doing it, but the long term and permanent answer is going to be fiber. So if you want to stay relevant in the future you'll be looking at how to get into that game whether it's with private funding or government subsidy. This is a WISP, we're a WISPA member, and I want WISP's to succeed.but facts is facts. -Adam -- Original Message -- From: "Mark Radabaugh" mailto:m...@amplex.net]> To: af@afmug.com[mailto:af@afmug.com] Sent: 2/1/2017 2:11:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Chuck, Explain why we would have to bury fiber for that customer when the current standard for ‘served’ for Internet is 10Mbps which is easily done with wireless, and “Advanced Broadband” is 25/3Mb.I still think there is a very valid argument that 10Mbps is more than sufficient for the services that the government should be guaranteeing (phone, telemedicine, education). 25/3 is more about entertainment than anything else and I don’t see where this is a taxpayer obligation. I want Broadway shows in my little town
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They are however one of those self-funding govt bodies. So if you request them to rent equipment, buy airline tickets, and book hotel rooms totaling $XYZ, then someone is getting fined $XYZ to pay for it. Maybe your competitor, maybe you. Probably not Mexico. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 3:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these So it's not that I have anything offensive to say about the FCC, just an unpopular opinion. As federal agencies go, the FCC is relatively unoffensive and low budget, so if I were the supreme libertarian dictator of the universe (see the irony?) they would not be the first agency I would pick on. -- Original Message -- From: "Mark Radabaugh" mailto:m...@amplex.net> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: 2/1/2017 4:04:01 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these I’m fine with the opinions on the FCC - having dealt with them for 10 years there isn’t anything that I have not called them already. Mark On Feb 1, 2017, at 4:00 PM, Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote: I was only trying to comment on the technology and/or business investment, not the politics. I'm a center leaning libertarian, I don't think the feds have any business funding much of anything. That also means I have opinions about the FCC that you don't want to hear. -- Original Message -- From: "Mark Radabaugh" mailto:m...@amplex.net> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: 2/1/2017 3:31:55 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Adam, So 2 questions for you (or anyone)… Do you think the government should fund private companies to build fiber everywhere because 10Mb won’t be sufficient for the “need”, not the “want”. Do we as a country spend a lot of public money to effectively create a monopoly fiber carrier in every region? Or is it better to make sure everyone has access to 10Mb and allow the free market to compete for the “want”? To me the former creates a monopoly with government money with all of it’s inefficiencies and long term harm to the consumer.The latter takes longer but has a better chance of staying competitive. The ‘monopoly last mile provider’ model is probably not going to happen in the US. While it could I don’t see any current political chance of that happening. Given the major providers as well as the wanna-be’s like Google are giving up on FTTH builds in favor of fiber -> 5G builds now, why should the FCC still be pushing the FTTX only model? Given 5G is little more than hype at this point I have my doubts that the model will actually work, but that’s another story. I’m asking these questions in the WISPA FCC chair capacity because I want to understand what our policy should be, keeping in mind that government funding schemes are rarely friendly to small companies and often result in significant harm. As Amplex - I’m building fiber to towers, FTTH on the routes to the towers and in wooded areas I can’t otherwise serve, and creating micro pops along the way on the fiber routes. Personally I think that is the winning answer for the future - but that’s just me. Mark On Feb 1, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote: I agree with you on the need. In my mind, nobody "needs" more than 1meg. 10meg generally makes them happy and not have too fuss about how they're using it (for now). They "want" 25-100 meg for all their entertainment. Put another way: I might only "need" 10 amps of electrical capacity as long as I'm careful about how I'm using it, but my 200 amp service makes me a happy and contented consumer for the foreseeable future. Regardless of what anyone "needs", fiber is going to end up the standard delivery mechanism for data because it will meet the need of today and the need of next year and the next 50 years. If you build anything else, then in the long run you'll have people still clamoring for improvement and it will end up being replaced. There's nothing wrong with meeting the immediate need with wireless, and you can absolutely make money doing it, but the long term and permanent answer is going to be fiber. So if you want to stay relevant in the future you'll be looking at how to get into that game whether it's with private funding or government subsidy. This is a WISP, we're a WISPA member, and I want WISP's to succeed.but facts is facts. -Adam -- Original Message -- From: "Mark Radabaugh" mailto:m...@amplex.net> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: 2/1/2017 2:11:22 PM Subject:
Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Mark, I believe you have presented a false dilemma. Those are not the only options. The best option would be to have an open access dark fiber network with cost plus pricing, averaged over the whole network. With this model it doesn't matter much who does the building, who does the financing or for that matter even who does the owning. This would also keep true competition alive and flourishing on the level that matters, the offering of Internet and other services. It is inefficient to build competing infrastructures and temporary solutions. Now, I don't expect the rational thing to be done, but, hey, a man can dream. Jared On Wednesday, February 01, 2017 Mark Radabaugh wrote: Adam, So 2 questions for you (or anyone)… Do you think the government should fund private companies to build fiber everywhere because 10Mb won’t be sufficient for the “need”, not the “want”. Do we as a country spend a lot of public money to effectively create a monopoly fiber carrier in every region? Or is it better to make sure everyone has access to 10Mb and allow the free market to compete for the “want”? To me the former creates a monopoly with government money with all of it’s inefficiencies and long term harm to the consumer. The latter takes longer but has a better chance of staying competitive. The ‘monopoly last mile provider’ model is probably not going to happen in the US. While it could I don’t see any current political chance of that happening. Given the major providers as well as the wanna-be’s like Google are giving up on FTTH builds in favor of fiber -> 5G builds now, why should the FCC still be pushing the FTTX only model? Given 5G is little more than hype at this point I have my doubts that the model will actually work, but that’s another story. I’m asking these questions in the WISPA FCC chair capacity because I want to understand what our policy should be, keeping in mind that government funding schemes are rarely friendly to small companies and often result in significant harm. As Amplex - I’m building fiber to towers, FTTH on the routes to the towers and in wooded areas I can’t otherwise serve, and creating micro pops along the way on the fiber routes. Personally I think that is the winning answer for the future - but that’s just me. Mark On Feb 1, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com]> wrote: I agree with you on the need. In my mind, nobody "needs" more than 1meg. 10meg generally makes them happy and not have too fuss about how they're using it (for now). They "want" 25-100 meg for all their entertainment. Put another way: I might only "need" 10 amps of electrical capacity as long as I'm careful about how I'm using it, but my 200 amp service makes me a happy and contented consumer for the foreseeable future. Regardless of what anyone "needs", fiber is going to end up the standard delivery mechanism for data because it will meet the need of today and the need of next year and the next 50 years. If you build anything else, then in the long run you'll have people still clamoring for improvement and it will end up being replaced. There's nothing wrong with meeting the immediate need with wireless, and you can absolutely make money doing it, but the long term and permanent answer is going to be fiber. So if you want to stay relevant in the future you'll be looking at how to get into that game whether it's with private funding or government subsidy. This is a WISP, we're a WISPA member, and I want WISP's to succeed.but facts is facts. -Adam -- Original Message -- From: "Mark Radabaugh" mailto:m...@amplex.net]> To: af@afmug.com[mailto:af@afmug.com] Sent: 2/1/2017 2:11:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Chuck, Explain why we would have to bury fiber for that customer when the current standard for ‘served’ for Internet is 10Mbps which is easily done with wireless, and “Advanced Broadband” is 25/3Mb. I still think there is a very valid argument that 10Mbps is more than sufficient for the services that the government should be guaranteeing (phone, telemedicine, education). 25/3 is more about entertainment than anything else and I don’t see where this is a taxpayer obligation. I want Broadway shows in my little town too - but I don’t expect the government to fund them. The major carriers are moving away from landlines as fast as they can and are really looking to replace all last mile with wireless if they can make it work (and they think they can). I don’t think it will be long until getting traditional landline service in the city is no longer an option - why would we still be forcing this in rural areas? The other issue is the cash cow that funded USF for years (intrastate phone revenue) is rapidly diminishing
Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
And it depends on how much of the loop is allocated to interstate vs intrastate etc. Some states have intrastate pooling some don’t. Revenue requirements are made out of sausage. Lots of bits from here and there. From: Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 3:17 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these NECA long distance pooling settlements. Lots of components to filling out the revenue requirement. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 3:16 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these and the rest of it? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 4:15:25 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Certainly that is a component of the debt service. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 3:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these How is the loan paid back? That customer's $50/month plan? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 2:47:14 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these No, that is a loan. Just like everyone else here that needs to borrow to build. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 1:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these You got money from someone that wasn't the customer? That's a subsidy. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 2:15:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Got zero subsidy. Just earning the same rate of return all the other LECs earn. It is a cost recovery mechanism, not a subsidy. It replaced the super high long distance charges of times past. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 1:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Any of them getting 1/10th of the subsidy you got. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 2:11:57 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these What wisp? Show me the wisp that would do this. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 1:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these If you plowed 20 miles of fiber for one house, you can bet your ass a WISP would do the same. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 11:38:35 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Depends on what you call rural. I have served areas with perhaps 1 house every 5 miles. You are not going to find a wisp willing to build out in areas like that. I plowed 20 miles of fiber for one single house. From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:34 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these If WISPA does their job well, small business can more effectively service the rural markets than the telcos, for alot less money On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: You think? It seems like the Republicans are in the pocket of big telco, so I wouldn't hold my breath. On Wednesday, February 1, 2017, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: i think that bank account may be closed very soon On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: Lipstick on a pig. The copper in still rotting in the ground and the only approved Centurylink fix appears to be the upgrade from black to orange trash bags. Except when those are out of stock. Centurylink will be back to the FCC shortly crying about how the need more support money to fix the plant. The only question is if they do it this year or next. Mark Radabaugh WISPA FCC Committee Chair fcc_ch...@wispa.org 419-261-5996 On Feb 1, 2017, at 8:15 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: They couldn't before either, but they didn't give a shit. - Mike Hammett
Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
NECA long distance pooling settlements.
Lots of components to filling out the revenue requirement.
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 3:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
and the rest of it?
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
From: "Chuck McCown"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 4:15:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Certainly that is a component of the debt service.
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 3:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
How is the loan paid back? That customer's $50/month plan?
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
From: "Chuck McCown"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 2:47:14 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
No, that is a loan. Just like everyone else here that needs to borrow to
build.
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 1:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
You got money from someone that wasn't the customer? That's a subsidy.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
From: "Chuck McCown"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 2:15:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Got zero subsidy. Just earning the same rate of return all the other LECs
earn.
It is a cost recovery mechanism, not a subsidy.
It replaced the super high long distance charges of times past.
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 1:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Any of them getting 1/10th of the subsidy you got.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
From: "Chuck McCown"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 2:11:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
What wisp? Show me the wisp that would do this.
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 1:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
If you plowed 20 miles of fiber for one house, you can bet your ass a WISP
would do the same.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
From: "Chuck McCown"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 11:38:35 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Depends on what you call rural. I have served areas with perhaps 1 house every
5 miles. You are not going to find a wisp willing to build out in areas like
that. I plowed 20 miles of fiber for one single house.
From: That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
If WISPA does their job well, small business can more effectively service the
rural markets than the telcos, for alot less money
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie
wrote:
You think? It seems like the Republicans are in the pocket of big telco, so I
wouldn't hold my breath.
On Wednesday, February 1, 2017, That One Guy /sarcasm
wrote:
i think that bank account may be closed very soon
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
Lipstick on a pig. The copper in still rotting in the ground and the
only approved Centurylink fix appears to be the upgrade from black to orange
trash bags. Except when those are out of stock.
Centurylink will be back to the FCC shortly crying about how the need
more support money to fix the plant. The only question is if they do it this
year or next.
Mark Radabaugh
WISPA FCC Committee Chair
fcc_ch...@wispa.org
419-261-5996
On Feb 1, 2017, at 8:15 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
They couldn't before either, but they didn't give a shit.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
From: "Darin Steffl"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 11:49:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
and the rest of it? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 4:15:25 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Certainly that is a component of the debt service. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 3:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these How is the loan paid back? That customer's $50/month plan? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 2:47:14 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these No, that is a loan. Just like everyone else here that needs to borrow to build. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 1:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these You got money from someone that wasn't the customer? That's a subsidy. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 2:15:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Got zero subsidy. Just earning the same rate of return all the other LECs earn. It is a cost recovery mechanism, not a subsidy. It replaced the super high long distance charges of times past. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 1:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Any of them getting 1/10th of the subsidy you got. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 2:11:57 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these What wisp? Show me the wisp that would do this. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 1:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these If you plowed 20 miles of fiber for one house, you can bet your ass a WISP would do the same. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 11:38:35 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Depends on what you call rural. I have served areas with perhaps 1 house every 5 miles. You are not going to find a wisp willing to build out in areas like that. I plowed 20 miles of fiber for one single house. From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:34 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these If WISPA does their job well, small business can more effectively service the rural markets than the telcos, for alot less money On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com > wrote: You think? It seems like the Republicans are in the pocket of big telco, so I wouldn't hold my breath. On Wednesday, February 1, 2017, That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: i think that bank account may be closed very soon On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Mark Radabaugh < m...@amplex.net > wrote: Lipstick on a pig. The copper in still rotting in the ground and the only approved Centurylink fix appears to be the upgrade from black to orange trash bags. Except when those are out of stock. Centurylink will be back to the FCC shortly crying about how the need more support money to fix the plant. The only question is if they do it this year or next. Mark Radabaugh WISPA FCC Committee Chair fcc_ch...@wispa.org 419-261-5996 On Feb 1, 2017, at 8:15 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: They couldn't before either, but they didn't give a shit. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Darin Steffl" < darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 11:49:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these These should all be fiber fed. Any new DSLAM's with CAF funding are very likely fiber fed. They just can't support the bandwidth requirements with only bonded T1's anymore. On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:34 PM, Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote: One would suspect a calix e7-2 or e7-20 (2Tbps backplane, 100Gbps link to each line card). I don't think you can even feed those by anything short of a
Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Certainly that is a component of the debt service.
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 3:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
How is the loan paid back? That customer's $50/month plan?
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
From: "Chuck McCown"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 2:47:14 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
No, that is a loan. Just like everyone else here that needs to borrow to
build.
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 1:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
You got money from someone that wasn't the customer? That's a subsidy.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
From: "Chuck McCown"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 2:15:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Got zero subsidy. Just earning the same rate of return all the other LECs
earn.
It is a cost recovery mechanism, not a subsidy.
It replaced the super high long distance charges of times past.
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 1:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Any of them getting 1/10th of the subsidy you got.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
From: "Chuck McCown"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 2:11:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
What wisp? Show me the wisp that would do this.
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 1:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
If you plowed 20 miles of fiber for one house, you can bet your ass a WISP
would do the same.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
From: "Chuck McCown"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 11:38:35 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Depends on what you call rural. I have served areas with perhaps 1 house every
5 miles. You are not going to find a wisp willing to build out in areas like
that. I plowed 20 miles of fiber for one single house.
From: That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
If WISPA does their job well, small business can more effectively service the
rural markets than the telcos, for alot less money
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie
wrote:
You think? It seems like the Republicans are in the pocket of big telco, so I
wouldn't hold my breath.
On Wednesday, February 1, 2017, That One Guy /sarcasm
wrote:
i think that bank account may be closed very soon
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
Lipstick on a pig. The copper in still rotting in the ground and the
only approved Centurylink fix appears to be the upgrade from black to orange
trash bags. Except when those are out of stock.
Centurylink will be back to the FCC shortly crying about how the need
more support money to fix the plant. The only question is if they do it this
year or next.
Mark Radabaugh
WISPA FCC Committee Chair
fcc_ch...@wispa.org
419-261-5996
On Feb 1, 2017, at 8:15 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
They couldn't before either, but they didn't give a shit.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
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From: "Darin Steffl"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 11:49:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
These should all be fiber fed. Any new DSLAM's with CAF funding are
very likely fiber fed. They just can't support the bandwidth requirements with
only bonded T1's anymore.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:34 PM, Josh Reynolds
wrote:
One would suspect a calix e7-2 or e7-20 (2Tbps backplane, 100Gbps
link to each line card). I don't think you can even feed those by anything
short of at least a gig ethernet circuit. I never really tried on any of the
E7-2s I've used in the past though :)
On Jan 31, 2017 11:29 PM, "For
Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
How is the loan paid back? That customer's $50/month plan? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 2:47:14 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these No, that is a loan. Just like everyone else here that needs to borrow to build. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 1:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these You got money from someone that wasn't the customer? That's a subsidy. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 2:15:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Got zero subsidy. Just earning the same rate of return all the other LECs earn. It is a cost recovery mechanism, not a subsidy. It replaced the super high long distance charges of times past. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 1:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Any of them getting 1/10th of the subsidy you got. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 2:11:57 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these What wisp? Show me the wisp that would do this. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 1:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these If you plowed 20 miles of fiber for one house, you can bet your ass a WISP would do the same. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 11:38:35 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Depends on what you call rural. I have served areas with perhaps 1 house every 5 miles. You are not going to find a wisp willing to build out in areas like that. I plowed 20 miles of fiber for one single house. From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:34 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these If WISPA does their job well, small business can more effectively service the rural markets than the telcos, for alot less money On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com > wrote: You think? It seems like the Republicans are in the pocket of big telco, so I wouldn't hold my breath. On Wednesday, February 1, 2017, That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: i think that bank account may be closed very soon On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Mark Radabaugh < m...@amplex.net > wrote: Lipstick on a pig. The copper in still rotting in the ground and the only approved Centurylink fix appears to be the upgrade from black to orange trash bags. Except when those are out of stock. Centurylink will be back to the FCC shortly crying about how the need more support money to fix the plant. The only question is if they do it this year or next. Mark Radabaugh WISPA FCC Committee Chair fcc_ch...@wispa.org 419-261-5996 On Feb 1, 2017, at 8:15 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: They couldn't before either, but they didn't give a shit. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Darin Steffl" < darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 11:49:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these These should all be fiber fed. Any new DSLAM's with CAF funding are very likely fiber fed. They just can't support the bandwidth requirements with only bonded T1's anymore. On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:34 PM, Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote: One would suspect a calix e7-2 or e7-20 (2Tbps backplane, 100Gbps link to each line card). I don't think you can even feed those by anything short of at least a gig ethernet circuit. I never really tried on any of the E7-2s I've used in the past though :) On Jan 31, 2017 11:29 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" < li...@packetflux.com > wrote: Out of curiosity, do you know how are they feeding these shelves? I know that in at least one case a couple of years ago, Qwest was feeding an entire neighborhood on I think 4 T1's. On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Darin Steffl < darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > w
Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
So it's not that I have anything offensive to say about the FCC, just an unpopular opinion. As federal agencies go, the FCC is relatively unoffensive and low budget, so if I were the supreme libertarian dictator of the universe (see the irony?) they would not be the first agency I would pick on. -- Original Message -- From: "Mark Radabaugh" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/1/2017 4:04:01 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these I’m fine with the opinions on the FCC - having dealt with them for 10 years there isn’t anything that I have not called them already. Mark On Feb 1, 2017, at 4:00 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: I was only trying to comment on the technology and/or business investment, not the politics. I'm a center leaning libertarian, I don't think the feds have any business funding much of anything. That also means I have opinions about the FCC that you don't want to hear. -- Original Message -- From: "Mark Radabaugh" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/1/2017 3:31:55 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Adam, So 2 questions for you (or anyone)… Do you think the government should fund private companies to build fiber everywhere because 10Mb won’t be sufficient for the “need”, not the “want”. Do we as a country spend a lot of public money to effectively create a monopoly fiber carrier in every region? Or is it better to make sure everyone has access to 10Mb and allow the free market to compete for the “want”? To me the former creates a monopoly with government money with all of it’s inefficiencies and long term harm to the consumer.The latter takes longer but has a better chance of staying competitive. The ‘monopoly last mile provider’ model is probably not going to happen in the US. While it could I don’t see any current political chance of that happening. Given the major providers as well as the wanna-be’s like Google are giving up on FTTH builds in favor of fiber -> 5G builds now, why should the FCC still be pushing the FTTX only model? Given 5G is little more than hype at this point I have my doubts that the model will actually work, but that’s another story. I’m asking these questions in the WISPA FCC chair capacity because I want to understand what our policy should be, keeping in mind that government funding schemes are rarely friendly to small companies and often result in significant harm. As Amplex - I’m building fiber to towers, FTTH on the routes to the towers and in wooded areas I can’t otherwise serve, and creating micro pops along the way on the fiber routes. Personally I think that is the winning answer for the future - but that’s just me. Mark On Feb 1, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: I agree with you on the need. In my mind, nobody "needs" more than 1meg. 10meg generally makes them happy and not have too fuss about how they're using it (for now). They "want" 25-100 meg for all their entertainment. Put another way: I might only "need" 10 amps of electrical capacity as long as I'm careful about how I'm using it, but my 200 amp service makes me a happy and contented consumer for the foreseeable future. Regardless of what anyone "needs", fiber is going to end up the standard delivery mechanism for data because it will meet the need of today and the need of next year and the next 50 years. If you build anything else, then in the long run you'll have people still clamoring for improvement and it will end up being replaced. There's nothing wrong with meeting the immediate need with wireless, and you can absolutely make money doing it, but the long term and permanent answer is going to be fiber. So if you want to stay relevant in the future you'll be looking at how to get into that game whether it's with private funding or government subsidy. This is a WISP, we're a WISPA member, and I want WISP's to succeed.but facts is facts. -Adam ------ Original Message -- From: "Mark Radabaugh" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/1/2017 2:11:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Chuck, Explain why we would have to bury fiber for that customer when the current standard for ‘served’ for Internet is 10Mbps which is easily done with wireless, and “Advanced Broadband” is 25/3Mb.I still think there is a very valid argument that 10Mbps is more than sufficient for the services that the government should be guaranteeing (phone, telemedicine, education). 25/3 is more about entertainment than anything else and I don’t see where this is a taxpayer obligation. I want Broadway shows in my little town too - but I don’t expect the government to fund them. The major carriers are moving away from landlines as fast as they can and are really looking to replace all last mile with wireless if they can make
Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
I’m fine with the opinions on the FCC - having dealt with them for 10 years there isn’t anything that I have not called them already. Mark > On Feb 1, 2017, at 4:00 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: > > I was only trying to comment on the technology and/or business investment, > not the politics. > > I'm a center leaning libertarian, I don't think the feds have any business > funding much of anything. That also means I have opinions about the FCC that > you don't want to hear. > > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Mark Radabaugh" mailto:m...@amplex.net>> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > Sent: 2/1/2017 3:31:55 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these > >> Adam, >> >> >> So 2 questions for you (or anyone)… >> >> Do you think the government should fund private companies to build fiber >> everywhere because 10Mb won’t be sufficient for the “need”, not the “want”. >> Do we as a country spend a lot of public money to effectively create a >> monopoly fiber carrier in every region? Or is it better to make sure >> everyone has access to 10Mb and allow the free market to compete for the >> “want”? To me the former creates a monopoly with government money with all >> of it’s inefficiencies and long term harm to the consumer.The latter >> takes longer but has a better chance of staying competitive. >> >> The ‘monopoly last mile provider’ model is probably not going to happen in >> the US. While it could I don’t see any current political chance of that >> happening. >> >> Given the major providers as well as the wanna-be’s like Google are giving >> up on FTTH builds in favor of fiber -> 5G builds now, why should the FCC >> still be pushing the FTTX only model? >> >> Given 5G is little more than hype at this point I have my doubts that the >> model will actually work, but that’s another story. >> >> I’m asking these questions in the WISPA FCC chair capacity because I want to >> understand what our policy should be, keeping in mind that government >> funding schemes are rarely friendly to small companies and often result in >> significant harm. >> >> As Amplex - I’m building fiber to towers, FTTH on the routes to the towers >> and in wooded areas I can’t otherwise serve, and creating micro pops along >> the way on the fiber routes. Personally I think that is the winning answer >> for the future - but that’s just me. >> >> Mark >> >> >>> On Feb 1, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Adam Moffett >> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> I agree with you on the need. In my mind, nobody "needs" more than 1meg. >>> 10meg generally makes them happy and not have too fuss about how they're >>> using it (for now). They "want" 25-100 meg for all their entertainment. >>> >>> Put another way: I might only "need" 10 amps of electrical capacity as >>> long as I'm careful about how I'm using it, but my 200 amp service makes me >>> a happy and contented consumer for the foreseeable future. >>> >>> Regardless of what anyone "needs", fiber is going to end up the standard >>> delivery mechanism for data because it will meet the need of today and the >>> need of next year and the next 50 years. If you build anything else, then >>> in the long run you'll have people still clamoring for improvement and it >>> will end up being replaced. >>> >>> There's nothing wrong with meeting the immediate need with wireless, and >>> you can absolutely make money doing it, but the long term and permanent >>> answer is going to be fiber. So if you want to stay relevant in the future >>> you'll be looking at how to get into that game whether it's with private >>> funding or government subsidy. >>> >>> This is a WISP, we're a WISPA member, and I want WISP's to succeed.but >>> facts is facts. >>> >>> -Adam >>> >>> >>> >>> -- Original Message -- >>> From: "Mark Radabaugh" mailto:m...@amplex.net>> >>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >>> Sent: 2/1/2017 2:11:22 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these >>> >>>> Chuck, >>>> >>>> Explain why we would have to bury fiber for that customer when the current >>>> standard for ‘served’ for I
Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
I was only trying to comment on the technology and/or business investment, not the politics. I'm a center leaning libertarian, I don't think the feds have any business funding much of anything. That also means I have opinions about the FCC that you don't want to hear. -- Original Message -- From: "Mark Radabaugh" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/1/2017 3:31:55 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Adam, So 2 questions for you (or anyone)… Do you think the government should fund private companies to build fiber everywhere because 10Mb won’t be sufficient for the “need”, not the “want”. Do we as a country spend a lot of public money to effectively create a monopoly fiber carrier in every region? Or is it better to make sure everyone has access to 10Mb and allow the free market to compete for the “want”? To me the former creates a monopoly with government money with all of it’s inefficiencies and long term harm to the consumer.The latter takes longer but has a better chance of staying competitive. The ‘monopoly last mile provider’ model is probably not going to happen in the US. While it could I don’t see any current political chance of that happening. Given the major providers as well as the wanna-be’s like Google are giving up on FTTH builds in favor of fiber -> 5G builds now, why should the FCC still be pushing the FTTX only model? Given 5G is little more than hype at this point I have my doubts that the model will actually work, but that’s another story. I’m asking these questions in the WISPA FCC chair capacity because I want to understand what our policy should be, keeping in mind that government funding schemes are rarely friendly to small companies and often result in significant harm. As Amplex - I’m building fiber to towers, FTTH on the routes to the towers and in wooded areas I can’t otherwise serve, and creating micro pops along the way on the fiber routes. Personally I think that is the winning answer for the future - but that’s just me. Mark On Feb 1, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: I agree with you on the need. In my mind, nobody "needs" more than 1meg. 10meg generally makes them happy and not have too fuss about how they're using it (for now). They "want" 25-100 meg for all their entertainment. Put another way: I might only "need" 10 amps of electrical capacity as long as I'm careful about how I'm using it, but my 200 amp service makes me a happy and contented consumer for the foreseeable future. Regardless of what anyone "needs", fiber is going to end up the standard delivery mechanism for data because it will meet the need of today and the need of next year and the next 50 years. If you build anything else, then in the long run you'll have people still clamoring for improvement and it will end up being replaced. There's nothing wrong with meeting the immediate need with wireless, and you can absolutely make money doing it, but the long term and permanent answer is going to be fiber. So if you want to stay relevant in the future you'll be looking at how to get into that game whether it's with private funding or government subsidy. This is a WISP, we're a WISPA member, and I want WISP's to succeed.but facts is facts. -Adam -- Original Message -- From: "Mark Radabaugh" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/1/2017 2:11:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Chuck, Explain why we would have to bury fiber for that customer when the current standard for ‘served’ for Internet is 10Mbps which is easily done with wireless, and “Advanced Broadband” is 25/3Mb.I still think there is a very valid argument that 10Mbps is more than sufficient for the services that the government should be guaranteeing (phone, telemedicine, education). 25/3 is more about entertainment than anything else and I don’t see where this is a taxpayer obligation. I want Broadway shows in my little town too - but I don’t expect the government to fund them. The major carriers are moving away from landlines as fast as they can and are really looking to replace all last mile with wireless if they can make it work (and they think they can). I don’t think it will be long until getting traditional landline service in the city is no longer an option - why would we still be forcing this in rural areas? The other issue is the cash cow that funded USF for years (intrastate phone revenue) is rapidly diminishing and will finish it's spiral of death soon unless the contribution base is expanded to broadband. Mark Mark Radabaugh WISPA FCC Committee Chair fcc_ch...@wispa.org 419-261-5996 On Feb 1, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Depends on what you call rural. I have served areas with perhaps 1 house every 5 miles. You are not going to find a
Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
On 2/1/17 12:44, Mike Hammett wrote: You got money from someone that wasn't the customer? That's a subsidy. RUS is a loan since it has to be paid back. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
No, that is a loan. Just like everyone else here that needs to borrow to
build.
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 1:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
You got money from someone that wasn't the customer? That's a subsidy.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
From: "Chuck McCown"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 2:15:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Got zero subsidy. Just earning the same rate of return all the other LECs
earn.
It is a cost recovery mechanism, not a subsidy.
It replaced the super high long distance charges of times past.
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 1:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Any of them getting 1/10th of the subsidy you got.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
From: "Chuck McCown"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 2:11:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
What wisp? Show me the wisp that would do this.
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 1:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
If you plowed 20 miles of fiber for one house, you can bet your ass a WISP
would do the same.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
From: "Chuck McCown"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 11:38:35 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Depends on what you call rural. I have served areas with perhaps 1 house every
5 miles. You are not going to find a wisp willing to build out in areas like
that. I plowed 20 miles of fiber for one single house.
From: That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
If WISPA does their job well, small business can more effectively service the
rural markets than the telcos, for alot less money
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie
wrote:
You think? It seems like the Republicans are in the pocket of big telco, so I
wouldn't hold my breath.
On Wednesday, February 1, 2017, That One Guy /sarcasm
wrote:
i think that bank account may be closed very soon
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
Lipstick on a pig. The copper in still rotting in the ground and the
only approved Centurylink fix appears to be the upgrade from black to orange
trash bags. Except when those are out of stock.
Centurylink will be back to the FCC shortly crying about how the need
more support money to fix the plant. The only question is if they do it this
year or next.
Mark Radabaugh
WISPA FCC Committee Chair
fcc_ch...@wispa.org
419-261-5996
On Feb 1, 2017, at 8:15 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
They couldn't before either, but they didn't give a shit.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
From: "Darin Steffl"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 11:49:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
These should all be fiber fed. Any new DSLAM's with CAF funding are
very likely fiber fed. They just can't support the bandwidth requirements with
only bonded T1's anymore.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:34 PM, Josh Reynolds
wrote:
One would suspect a calix e7-2 or e7-20 (2Tbps backplane, 100Gbps
link to each line card). I don't think you can even feed those by anything
short of at least a gig ethernet circuit. I never really tried on any of the
E7-2s I've used in the past though :)
On Jan 31, 2017 11:29 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)"
wrote:
Out of curiosity, do you know how are they feeding these shelves?
I know that in at least one case a couple of years ago, Qwest was
feeding an entire neighborhood on I think 4 T1's.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Darin Steffl
wrote:
Exactly. Calix VDSL2 Remote DSLAM. These are the result of CAF
funding from Govt. to provide minimum 10/1 Mbps speeds to the census blocks
they took funding for.
If Centurylink had crappy or no DSL in these areas befor
Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
You got money from someone that wasn't the customer? That's a subsidy. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 2:15:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Got zero subsidy. Just earning the same rate of return all the other LECs earn. It is a cost recovery mechanism, not a subsidy. It replaced the super high long distance charges of times past. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 1:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Any of them getting 1/10th of the subsidy you got. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 2:11:57 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these What wisp? Show me the wisp that would do this. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 1:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these If you plowed 20 miles of fiber for one house, you can bet your ass a WISP would do the same. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 11:38:35 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Depends on what you call rural. I have served areas with perhaps 1 house every 5 miles. You are not going to find a wisp willing to build out in areas like that. I plowed 20 miles of fiber for one single house. From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:34 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these If WISPA does their job well, small business can more effectively service the rural markets than the telcos, for alot less money On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com > wrote: You think? It seems like the Republicans are in the pocket of big telco, so I wouldn't hold my breath. On Wednesday, February 1, 2017, That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: i think that bank account may be closed very soon On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Mark Radabaugh < m...@amplex.net > wrote: Lipstick on a pig. The copper in still rotting in the ground and the only approved Centurylink fix appears to be the upgrade from black to orange trash bags. Except when those are out of stock. Centurylink will be back to the FCC shortly crying about how the need more support money to fix the plant. The only question is if they do it this year or next. Mark Radabaugh WISPA FCC Committee Chair fcc_ch...@wispa.org 419-261-5996 On Feb 1, 2017, at 8:15 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: They couldn't before either, but they didn't give a shit. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Darin Steffl" < darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 11:49:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these These should all be fiber fed. Any new DSLAM's with CAF funding are very likely fiber fed. They just can't support the bandwidth requirements with only bonded T1's anymore. On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:34 PM, Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote: One would suspect a calix e7-2 or e7-20 (2Tbps backplane, 100Gbps link to each line card). I don't think you can even feed those by anything short of at least a gig ethernet circuit. I never really tried on any of the E7-2s I've used in the past though :) On Jan 31, 2017 11:29 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" < li...@packetflux.com > wrote: Out of curiosity, do you know how are they feeding these shelves? I know that in at least one case a couple of years ago, Qwest was feeding an entire neighborhood on I think 4 T1's. On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Darin Steffl < darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > wrote: Exactly. Calix VDSL2 Remote DSLAM. These are the result of CAF funding from Govt. to provide minimum 10/1 Mbps speeds to the census blocks they took funding for. If Centurylink had crappy or no DSL in these areas before, expect them to be able to offer somewhat functional to excellent DSL speeds to customers in range of these remote DSLAMs. For really close customers, they may see up to 40/1 Mbps speeds. On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Carl Peterson < cpeter...@portnetworks.com > wrote: As someone already said, its clearly and E3. http
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Sterling, I would not class you as a wanna be Google, I would classify you as a better than Google FTTH. But are you giving up on FTTH in favor of 5G builds? Didn’t think so, me neither From: Mark Radabaugh Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 1:31 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Adam, So 2 questions for you (or anyone)… Do you think the government should fund private companies to build fiber everywhere because 10Mb won’t be sufficient for the “need”, not the “want”. Do we as a country spend a lot of public money to effectively create a monopoly fiber carrier in every region? Or is it better to make sure everyone has access to 10Mb and allow the free market to compete for the “want”? To me the former creates a monopoly with government money with all of it’s inefficiencies and long term harm to the consumer.The latter takes longer but has a better chance of staying competitive. The ‘monopoly last mile provider’ model is probably not going to happen in the US. While it could I don’t see any current political chance of that happening. Given the major providers as well as the wanna-be’s like Google are giving up on FTTH builds in favor of fiber -> 5G builds now, why should the FCC still be pushing the FTTX only model? Given 5G is little more than hype at this point I have my doubts that the model will actually work, but that’s another story. I’m asking these questions in the WISPA FCC chair capacity because I want to understand what our policy should be, keeping in mind that government funding schemes are rarely friendly to small companies and often result in significant harm. As Amplex - I’m building fiber to towers, FTTH on the routes to the towers and in wooded areas I can’t otherwise serve, and creating micro pops along the way on the fiber routes. Personally I think that is the winning answer for the future - but that’s just me. Mark On Feb 1, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: I agree with you on the need. In my mind, nobody "needs" more than 1meg. 10meg generally makes them happy and not have too fuss about how they're using it (for now). They "want" 25-100 meg for all their entertainment. Put another way: I might only "need" 10 amps of electrical capacity as long as I'm careful about how I'm using it, but my 200 amp service makes me a happy and contented consumer for the foreseeable future. Regardless of what anyone "needs", fiber is going to end up the standard delivery mechanism for data because it will meet the need of today and the need of next year and the next 50 years. If you build anything else, then in the long run you'll have people still clamoring for improvement and it will end up being replaced. There's nothing wrong with meeting the immediate need with wireless, and you can absolutely make money doing it, but the long term and permanent answer is going to be fiber. So if you want to stay relevant in the future you'll be looking at how to get into that game whether it's with private funding or government subsidy. This is a WISP, we're a WISPA member, and I want WISP's to succeed.but facts is facts. -Adam -- Original Message ------ From: "Mark Radabaugh" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/1/2017 2:11:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Chuck, Explain why we would have to bury fiber for that customer when the current standard for ‘served’ for Internet is 10Mbps which is easily done with wireless, and “Advanced Broadband” is 25/3Mb.I still think there is a very valid argument that 10Mbps is more than sufficient for the services that the government should be guaranteeing (phone, telemedicine, education). 25/3 is more about entertainment than anything else and I don’t see where this is a taxpayer obligation. I want Broadway shows in my little town too - but I don’t expect the government to fund them. The major carriers are moving away from landlines as fast as they can and are really looking to replace all last mile with wireless if they can make it work (and they think they can). I don’t think it will be long until getting traditional landline service in the city is no longer an option - why would we still be forcing this in rural areas? The other issue is the cash cow that funded USF for years (intrastate phone revenue) is rapidly diminishing and will finish it's spiral of death soon unless the contribution base is expanded to broadband. Mark Mark Radabaugh WISPA FCC Committee Chair fcc_ch...@wispa.org 419-261-5996 On Feb 1, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Depends on what you call rural. I have served areas with perhaps 1 house every 5 miles. You are not going to find a wisp willing to build out in areas like that. I plowed 20 mi
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Adam, So 2 questions for you (or anyone)… Do you think the government should fund private companies to build fiber everywhere because 10Mb won’t be sufficient for the “need”, not the “want”. Do we as a country spend a lot of public money to effectively create a monopoly fiber carrier in every region? Or is it better to make sure everyone has access to 10Mb and allow the free market to compete for the “want”? To me the former creates a monopoly with government money with all of it’s inefficiencies and long term harm to the consumer.The latter takes longer but has a better chance of staying competitive. The ‘monopoly last mile provider’ model is probably not going to happen in the US. While it could I don’t see any current political chance of that happening. Given the major providers as well as the wanna-be’s like Google are giving up on FTTH builds in favor of fiber -> 5G builds now, why should the FCC still be pushing the FTTX only model? Given 5G is little more than hype at this point I have my doubts that the model will actually work, but that’s another story. I’m asking these questions in the WISPA FCC chair capacity because I want to understand what our policy should be, keeping in mind that government funding schemes are rarely friendly to small companies and often result in significant harm. As Amplex - I’m building fiber to towers, FTTH on the routes to the towers and in wooded areas I can’t otherwise serve, and creating micro pops along the way on the fiber routes. Personally I think that is the winning answer for the future - but that’s just me. Mark > On Feb 1, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: > > I agree with you on the need. In my mind, nobody "needs" more than 1meg. > 10meg generally makes them happy and not have too fuss about how they're > using it (for now). They "want" 25-100 meg for all their entertainment. > > Put another way: I might only "need" 10 amps of electrical capacity as long > as I'm careful about how I'm using it, but my 200 amp service makes me a > happy and contented consumer for the foreseeable future. > > Regardless of what anyone "needs", fiber is going to end up the standard > delivery mechanism for data because it will meet the need of today and the > need of next year and the next 50 years. If you build anything else, then in > the long run you'll have people still clamoring for improvement and it will > end up being replaced. > > There's nothing wrong with meeting the immediate need with wireless, and you > can absolutely make money doing it, but the long term and permanent answer is > going to be fiber. So if you want to stay relevant in the future you'll be > looking at how to get into that game whether it's with private funding or > government subsidy. > > This is a WISP, we're a WISPA member, and I want WISP's to succeed.but > facts is facts. > > -Adam > > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Mark Radabaugh" mailto:m...@amplex.net>> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > Sent: 2/1/2017 2:11:22 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these > >> Chuck, >> >> Explain why we would have to bury fiber for that customer when the current >> standard for ‘served’ for Internet is 10Mbps which is easily done with >> wireless, and “Advanced Broadband” is 25/3Mb.I still think there is a >> very valid argument that 10Mbps is more than sufficient for the services >> that the government should be guaranteeing (phone, telemedicine, education). >> 25/3 is more about entertainment than anything else and I don’t see where >> this is a taxpayer obligation. I want Broadway shows in my little town too >> - but I don’t expect the government to fund them. >> >> The major carriers are moving away from landlines as fast as they can and >> are really looking to replace all last mile with wireless if they can make >> it work (and they think they can). I don’t think it will be long until >> getting traditional landline service in the city is no longer an option - >> why would we still be forcing this in rural areas? >> >> The other issue is the cash cow that funded USF for years (intrastate phone >> revenue) is rapidly diminishing and will finish it's spiral of death soon >> unless the contribution base is expanded to broadband. >> >> Mark >> >> Mark Radabaugh >> WISPA FCC Committee Chair >> fcc_ch...@wispa.org <mailto:fcc_ch...@wispa.org> >> 419-261-5996 >> >>> On Feb 1, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Chuck McCown >> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: >&
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That's a solid point. I think ISDN could have gotten a lot more traction in the late 90's if it could have been priced lower, but it would be just as useless today. It is hard to imagine a world where an ethernet strand can't provide enough capacity for a house, but we can't really know. -- Original Message -- From: "Ken Hohhof" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/1/2017 3:07:26 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Justify plowing 20 miles of fiber to serve one house any way you want, you’re rationalizing. How sure are you that 20 years from now, that investment will still look “future proof”? Or will it look like 8-track tapes and CB radio and non-flying cars and meat made from animals? I remember when we were supposed to wire every house for ISDN, because in the future, everyone would “need” two 64 kbps bearer channels and a 16 kbps data channel and “integrated services”. The Germans installed a lot of ISDN BRI and mocked us for not following their example. This was 20 years ago, and the futurists all had $1000 ISDN modems in their houses so they could spend half an hour downloading a photo from a bulletin board. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 1:55 PM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these I agree with you on the need. In my mind, nobody "needs" more than 1meg. 10meg generally makes them happy and not have too fuss about how they're using it (for now). They "want" 25-100 meg for all their entertainment. Put another way: I might only "need" 10 amps of electrical capacity as long as I'm careful about how I'm using it, but my 200 amp service makes me a happy and contented consumer for the foreseeable future. Regardless of what anyone "needs", fiber is going to end up the standard delivery mechanism for data because it will meet the need of today and the need of next year and the next 50 years. If you build anything else, then in the long run you'll have people still clamoring for improvement and it will end up being replaced. There's nothing wrong with meeting the immediate need with wireless, and you can absolutely make money doing it, but the long term and permanent answer is going to be fiber. So if you want to stay relevant in the future you'll be looking at how to get into that game whether it's with private funding or government subsidy. This is a WISP, we're a WISPA member, and I want WISP's to succeed.but facts is facts. -Adam -- Original Message -- From: "Mark Radabaugh" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/1/2017 2:11:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Chuck, Explain why we would have to bury fiber for that customer when the current standard for ‘served’ for Internet is 10Mbps which is easily done with wireless, and “Advanced Broadband” is 25/3Mb.I still think there is a very valid argument that 10Mbps is more than sufficient for the services that the government should be guaranteeing (phone, telemedicine, education). 25/3 is more about entertainment than anything else and I don’t see where this is a taxpayer obligation. I want Broadway shows in my little town too - but I don’t expect the government to fund them. The major carriers are moving away from landlines as fast as they can and are really looking to replace all last mile with wireless if they can make it work (and they think they can). I don’t think it will be long until getting traditional landline service in the city is no longer an option - why would we still be forcing this in rural areas? The other issue is the cash cow that funded USF for years (intrastate phone revenue) is rapidly diminishing and will finish it's spiral of death soon unless the contribution base is expanded to broadband. Mark Mark Radabaugh WISPA FCC Committee Chair fcc_ch...@wispa.org 419-261-5996 On Feb 1, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Depends on what you call rural. I have served areas with perhaps 1 house every 5 miles. You are not going to find a wisp willing to build out in areas like that. I plowed 20 miles of fiber for one single house. From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:34 AM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these If WISPA does their job well, small business can more effectively service the rural markets than the telcos, for alot less money On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: You think? It seems like the Republicans are in the pocket of big telco, so I wouldn't hold my breath. On Wednesday, February 1, 2017, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: i think that bank account may be closed very soon On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Mark Radab
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Rather have Dr. Strangelove. I can recite most of it. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 1:17 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Are those 4K or 8K “things”? You might “need” something north of 100 meg. (At least I recently read that 3D TV is officially dead.) On the other hand, once the memory starts to go, you just need one DVD of “Ice Station Zebra” and it never gets old. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 1:57 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these I “need” at least 10 meg at home. I want to stream 2-3 things at once. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 12:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these I agree with you on the need. In my mind, nobody "needs" more than 1meg. 10meg generally makes them happy and not have too fuss about how they're using it (for now). They "want" 25-100 meg for all their entertainment. Put another way: I might only "need" 10 amps of electrical capacity as long as I'm careful about how I'm using it, but my 200 amp service makes me a happy and contented consumer for the foreseeable future. Regardless of what anyone "needs", fiber is going to end up the standard delivery mechanism for data because it will meet the need of today and the need of next year and the next 50 years. If you build anything else, then in the long run you'll have people still clamoring for improvement and it will end up being replaced. There's nothing wrong with meeting the immediate need with wireless, and you can absolutely make money doing it, but the long term and permanent answer is going to be fiber. So if you want to stay relevant in the future you'll be looking at how to get into that game whether it's with private funding or government subsidy. This is a WISP, we're a WISPA member, and I want WISP's to succeed.but facts is facts. -Adam -- Original Message ------ From: "Mark Radabaugh" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/1/2017 2:11:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Chuck, Explain why we would have to bury fiber for that customer when the current standard for ‘served’ for Internet is 10Mbps which is easily done with wireless, and “Advanced Broadband” is 25/3Mb.I still think there is a very valid argument that 10Mbps is more than sufficient for the services that the government should be guaranteeing (phone, telemedicine, education). 25/3 is more about entertainment than anything else and I don’t see where this is a taxpayer obligation. I want Broadway shows in my little town too - but I don’t expect the government to fund them. The major carriers are moving away from landlines as fast as they can and are really looking to replace all last mile with wireless if they can make it work (and they think they can). I don’t think it will be long until getting traditional landline service in the city is no longer an option - why would we still be forcing this in rural areas? The other issue is the cash cow that funded USF for years (intrastate phone revenue) is rapidly diminishing and will finish it's spiral of death soon unless the contribution base is expanded to broadband. Mark Mark Radabaugh WISPA FCC Committee Chair fcc_ch...@wispa.org 419-261-5996 On Feb 1, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Depends on what you call rural. I have served areas with perhaps 1 house every 5 miles. You are not going to find a wisp willing to build out in areas like that. I plowed 20 miles of fiber for one single house. From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:34 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these If WISPA does their job well, small business can more effectively service the rural markets than the telcos, for alot less money On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: You think? It seems like the Republicans are in the pocket of big telco, so I wouldn't hold my breath. On Wednesday, February 1, 2017, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: i think that bank account may be closed very soon On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: Lipstick on a pig. The copper in still rotting in the ground and the only approved Centurylink fix appears to be the upgrade from black to orange trash bags. Except when those are out of stock. Centurylink will be back to the FCC shortly crying about how the need more support money to fix the plant. The only question is if they do it this year or next.
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Are those 4K or 8K “things”? You might “need” something north of 100 meg. (At least I recently read that 3D TV is officially dead.) On the other hand, once the memory starts to go, you just need one DVD of “Ice Station Zebra” and it never gets old. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 1:57 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these I “need” at least 10 meg at home. I want to stream 2-3 things at once. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 12:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these I agree with you on the need. In my mind, nobody "needs" more than 1meg. 10meg generally makes them happy and not have too fuss about how they're using it (for now). They "want" 25-100 meg for all their entertainment. Put another way: I might only "need" 10 amps of electrical capacity as long as I'm careful about how I'm using it, but my 200 amp service makes me a happy and contented consumer for the foreseeable future. Regardless of what anyone "needs", fiber is going to end up the standard delivery mechanism for data because it will meet the need of today and the need of next year and the next 50 years. If you build anything else, then in the long run you'll have people still clamoring for improvement and it will end up being replaced. There's nothing wrong with meeting the immediate need with wireless, and you can absolutely make money doing it, but the long term and permanent answer is going to be fiber. So if you want to stay relevant in the future you'll be looking at how to get into that game whether it's with private funding or government subsidy. This is a WISP, we're a WISPA member, and I want WISP's to succeed.but facts is facts. -Adam -- Original Message ------ From: "Mark Radabaugh" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/1/2017 2:11:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Chuck, Explain why we would have to bury fiber for that customer when the current standard for ‘served’ for Internet is 10Mbps which is easily done with wireless, and “Advanced Broadband” is 25/3Mb.I still think there is a very valid argument that 10Mbps is more than sufficient for the services that the government should be guaranteeing (phone, telemedicine, education). 25/3 is more about entertainment than anything else and I don’t see where this is a taxpayer obligation. I want Broadway shows in my little town too - but I don’t expect the government to fund them. The major carriers are moving away from landlines as fast as they can and are really looking to replace all last mile with wireless if they can make it work (and they think they can). I don’t think it will be long until getting traditional landline service in the city is no longer an option - why would we still be forcing this in rural areas? The other issue is the cash cow that funded USF for years (intrastate phone revenue) is rapidly diminishing and will finish it's spiral of death soon unless the contribution base is expanded to broadband. Mark Mark Radabaugh WISPA FCC Committee Chair fcc_ch...@wispa.org 419-261-5996 On Feb 1, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Depends on what you call rural. I have served areas with perhaps 1 house every 5 miles. You are not going to find a wisp willing to build out in areas like that. I plowed 20 miles of fiber for one single house. From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:34 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these If WISPA does their job well, small business can more effectively service the rural markets than the telcos, for alot less money On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: You think? It seems like the Republicans are in the pocket of big telco, so I wouldn't hold my breath. On Wednesday, February 1, 2017, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: i think that bank account may be closed very soon On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: Lipstick on a pig. The copper in still rotting in the ground and the only approved Centurylink fix appears to be the upgrade from black to orange trash bags. Except when those are out of stock. Centurylink will be back to the FCC shortly crying about how the need more support money to fix the plant. The only question is if they do it this year or next. Mark Radabaugh WISPA FCC Committee Chair fcc_ch...@wispa.org 419-261-5996 On Feb 1, 2017, at 8:15 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: They couldn't before either, but they didn't give a shit. - Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <
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Got zero subsidy. Just earning the same rate of return all the other LECs
earn.
It is a cost recovery mechanism, not a subsidy.
It replaced the super high long distance charges of times past.
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 1:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Any of them getting 1/10th of the subsidy you got.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
From: "Chuck McCown"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 2:11:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
What wisp? Show me the wisp that would do this.
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 1:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
If you plowed 20 miles of fiber for one house, you can bet your ass a WISP
would do the same.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
From: "Chuck McCown"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 11:38:35 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Depends on what you call rural. I have served areas with perhaps 1 house every
5 miles. You are not going to find a wisp willing to build out in areas like
that. I plowed 20 miles of fiber for one single house.
From: That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
If WISPA does their job well, small business can more effectively service the
rural markets than the telcos, for alot less money
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie
wrote:
You think? It seems like the Republicans are in the pocket of big telco, so I
wouldn't hold my breath.
On Wednesday, February 1, 2017, That One Guy /sarcasm
wrote:
i think that bank account may be closed very soon
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
Lipstick on a pig. The copper in still rotting in the ground and the
only approved Centurylink fix appears to be the upgrade from black to orange
trash bags. Except when those are out of stock.
Centurylink will be back to the FCC shortly crying about how the need
more support money to fix the plant. The only question is if they do it this
year or next.
Mark Radabaugh
WISPA FCC Committee Chair
fcc_ch...@wispa.org
419-261-5996
On Feb 1, 2017, at 8:15 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
They couldn't before either, but they didn't give a shit.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
From: "Darin Steffl"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 11:49:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
These should all be fiber fed. Any new DSLAM's with CAF funding are
very likely fiber fed. They just can't support the bandwidth requirements with
only bonded T1's anymore.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:34 PM, Josh Reynolds
wrote:
One would suspect a calix e7-2 or e7-20 (2Tbps backplane, 100Gbps
link to each line card). I don't think you can even feed those by anything
short of at least a gig ethernet circuit. I never really tried on any of the
E7-2s I've used in the past though :)
On Jan 31, 2017 11:29 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)"
wrote:
Out of curiosity, do you know how are they feeding these shelves?
I know that in at least one case a couple of years ago, Qwest was
feeding an entire neighborhood on I think 4 T1's.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Darin Steffl
wrote:
Exactly. Calix VDSL2 Remote DSLAM. These are the result of CAF
funding from Govt. to provide minimum 10/1 Mbps speeds to the census blocks
they took funding for.
If Centurylink had crappy or no DSL in these areas before, expect
them to be able to offer somewhat functional to excellent DSL speeds to
customers in range of these remote DSLAMs. For really close customers, they may
see up to 40/1 Mbps speeds.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Carl Peterson
wrote:
As someone already said, its clearly and E3.
https://www.calix.com/systems/e-series/e3-e5-dsl.html
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:18 PM, George Skorup
wrote:
Regen would be my guess.
On 1/31/2017 2:45 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote:
it got fiber ran into it fo
Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
41°58'47.85"N, 113°59'57.72"W
Two houses there now. Central office is in Grouse Creek.
Pretty sure there is not a wisp in the known universe that would have served
these guys.
(With zero install fee).
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 1:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
If you plowed 20 miles of fiber for one house, you can bet your ass a WISP
would do the same.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
From: "Chuck McCown"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 11:38:35 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Depends on what you call rural. I have served areas with perhaps 1 house every
5 miles. You are not going to find a wisp willing to build out in areas like
that. I plowed 20 miles of fiber for one single house.
From: That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
If WISPA does their job well, small business can more effectively service the
rural markets than the telcos, for alot less money
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie
wrote:
You think? It seems like the Republicans are in the pocket of big telco, so I
wouldn't hold my breath.
On Wednesday, February 1, 2017, That One Guy /sarcasm
wrote:
i think that bank account may be closed very soon
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
Lipstick on a pig. The copper in still rotting in the ground and the
only approved Centurylink fix appears to be the upgrade from black to orange
trash bags. Except when those are out of stock.
Centurylink will be back to the FCC shortly crying about how the need
more support money to fix the plant. The only question is if they do it this
year or next.
Mark Radabaugh
WISPA FCC Committee Chair
fcc_ch...@wispa.org
419-261-5996
On Feb 1, 2017, at 8:15 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
They couldn't before either, but they didn't give a shit.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
From: "Darin Steffl"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 11:49:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
These should all be fiber fed. Any new DSLAM's with CAF funding are
very likely fiber fed. They just can't support the bandwidth requirements with
only bonded T1's anymore.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:34 PM, Josh Reynolds
wrote:
One would suspect a calix e7-2 or e7-20 (2Tbps backplane, 100Gbps
link to each line card). I don't think you can even feed those by anything
short of at least a gig ethernet circuit. I never really tried on any of the
E7-2s I've used in the past though :)
On Jan 31, 2017 11:29 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)"
wrote:
Out of curiosity, do you know how are they feeding these shelves?
I know that in at least one case a couple of years ago, Qwest was
feeding an entire neighborhood on I think 4 T1's.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Darin Steffl
wrote:
Exactly. Calix VDSL2 Remote DSLAM. These are the result of CAF
funding from Govt. to provide minimum 10/1 Mbps speeds to the census blocks
they took funding for.
If Centurylink had crappy or no DSL in these areas before, expect
them to be able to offer somewhat functional to excellent DSL speeds to
customers in range of these remote DSLAMs. For really close customers, they may
see up to 40/1 Mbps speeds.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Carl Peterson
wrote:
As someone already said, its clearly and E3.
https://www.calix.com/systems/e-series/e3-e5-dsl.html
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:18 PM, George Skorup
wrote:
Regen would be my guess.
On 1/31/2017 2:45 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote:
it got fiber ran into it for remote dslam to provide
customers vdsl2 along that route.
Tim
-Original Message-
From: "Carl Peterson"
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 01/31/17 03:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Calix. I'd guess G.Fast
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 31, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Josh Corson
wrote:
Does anyone know w
Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Any of them getting 1/10th of the subsidy you got. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 2:11:57 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these What wisp? Show me the wisp that would do this. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 1:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these If you plowed 20 miles of fiber for one house, you can bet your ass a WISP would do the same. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 11:38:35 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Depends on what you call rural. I have served areas with perhaps 1 house every 5 miles. You are not going to find a wisp willing to build out in areas like that. I plowed 20 miles of fiber for one single house. From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:34 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these If WISPA does their job well, small business can more effectively service the rural markets than the telcos, for alot less money On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com > wrote: You think? It seems like the Republicans are in the pocket of big telco, so I wouldn't hold my breath. On Wednesday, February 1, 2017, That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: i think that bank account may be closed very soon On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Mark Radabaugh < m...@amplex.net > wrote: Lipstick on a pig. The copper in still rotting in the ground and the only approved Centurylink fix appears to be the upgrade from black to orange trash bags. Except when those are out of stock. Centurylink will be back to the FCC shortly crying about how the need more support money to fix the plant. The only question is if they do it this year or next. Mark Radabaugh WISPA FCC Committee Chair fcc_ch...@wispa.org 419-261-5996 On Feb 1, 2017, at 8:15 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: They couldn't before either, but they didn't give a shit. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Darin Steffl" < darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 11:49:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these These should all be fiber fed. Any new DSLAM's with CAF funding are very likely fiber fed. They just can't support the bandwidth requirements with only bonded T1's anymore. On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:34 PM, Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote: One would suspect a calix e7-2 or e7-20 (2Tbps backplane, 100Gbps link to each line card). I don't think you can even feed those by anything short of at least a gig ethernet circuit. I never really tried on any of the E7-2s I've used in the past though :) On Jan 31, 2017 11:29 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" < li...@packetflux.com > wrote: Out of curiosity, do you know how are they feeding these shelves? I know that in at least one case a couple of years ago, Qwest was feeding an entire neighborhood on I think 4 T1's. On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Darin Steffl < darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > wrote: Exactly. Calix VDSL2 Remote DSLAM. These are the result of CAF funding from Govt. to provide minimum 10/1 Mbps speeds to the census blocks they took funding for. If Centurylink had crappy or no DSL in these areas before, expect them to be able to offer somewhat functional to excellent DSL speeds to customers in range of these remote DSLAMs. For really close customers, they may see up to 40/1 Mbps speeds. On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Carl Peterson < cpeter...@portnetworks.com > wrote: As someone already said, its clearly and E3. https://www.calix.com/systems/e-series/e3-e5-dsl.html On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:18 PM, George Skorup < george.sko...@cbcast.com > wrote: Regen would be my guess. On 1/31/2017 2:45 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote: it got fiber ran into it for remote dslam to provide customers vdsl2 along that route. Tim -----Original Message- From: "Carl Peterson" < cpeter...@portnetworks.com > To: af@afmug.com Date: 01/31/17 03:28 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Calix. I'd guess G.Fast Sent from my iPhone On Jan 31, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Josh Corson < j...@bluebitnetworks.com > wrote: Does anyone know what these are? They are popping up on f
Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
What wisp? Show me the wisp that would do this.
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 1:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
If you plowed 20 miles of fiber for one house, you can bet your ass a WISP
would do the same.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
From: "Chuck McCown"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 11:38:35 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Depends on what you call rural. I have served areas with perhaps 1 house every
5 miles. You are not going to find a wisp willing to build out in areas like
that. I plowed 20 miles of fiber for one single house.
From: That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
If WISPA does their job well, small business can more effectively service the
rural markets than the telcos, for alot less money
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie
wrote:
You think? It seems like the Republicans are in the pocket of big telco, so I
wouldn't hold my breath.
On Wednesday, February 1, 2017, That One Guy /sarcasm
wrote:
i think that bank account may be closed very soon
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
Lipstick on a pig. The copper in still rotting in the ground and the
only approved Centurylink fix appears to be the upgrade from black to orange
trash bags. Except when those are out of stock.
Centurylink will be back to the FCC shortly crying about how the need
more support money to fix the plant. The only question is if they do it this
year or next.
Mark Radabaugh
WISPA FCC Committee Chair
fcc_ch...@wispa.org
419-261-5996
On Feb 1, 2017, at 8:15 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
They couldn't before either, but they didn't give a shit.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
From: "Darin Steffl"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 11:49:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
These should all be fiber fed. Any new DSLAM's with CAF funding are
very likely fiber fed. They just can't support the bandwidth requirements with
only bonded T1's anymore.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:34 PM, Josh Reynolds
wrote:
One would suspect a calix e7-2 or e7-20 (2Tbps backplane, 100Gbps
link to each line card). I don't think you can even feed those by anything
short of at least a gig ethernet circuit. I never really tried on any of the
E7-2s I've used in the past though :)
On Jan 31, 2017 11:29 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)"
wrote:
Out of curiosity, do you know how are they feeding these shelves?
I know that in at least one case a couple of years ago, Qwest was
feeding an entire neighborhood on I think 4 T1's.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Darin Steffl
wrote:
Exactly. Calix VDSL2 Remote DSLAM. These are the result of CAF
funding from Govt. to provide minimum 10/1 Mbps speeds to the census blocks
they took funding for.
If Centurylink had crappy or no DSL in these areas before, expect
them to be able to offer somewhat functional to excellent DSL speeds to
customers in range of these remote DSLAMs. For really close customers, they may
see up to 40/1 Mbps speeds.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Carl Peterson
wrote:
As someone already said, its clearly and E3.
https://www.calix.com/systems/e-series/e3-e5-dsl.html
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:18 PM, George Skorup
wrote:
Regen would be my guess.
On 1/31/2017 2:45 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote:
it got fiber ran into it for remote dslam to provide
customers vdsl2 along that route.
Tim
-Original Message-
From: "Carl Peterson"
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 01/31/17 03:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Calix. I'd guess G.Fast
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 31, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Josh Corson
wrote:
Does anyone know what these are? They are popping up on
fairly rural
areas of our coverage areas and on the state highways.
Thanks
Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
They wanted service. They live in the USA. The exchange was getting rebuilt using a RUS loan. That is the justification. And it does make 11.25% ROI and will until it is fully depreciated. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 1:07 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Justify plowing 20 miles of fiber to serve one house any way you want, you’re rationalizing. How sure are you that 20 years from now, that investment will still look “future proof”? Or will it look like 8-track tapes and CB radio and non-flying cars and meat made from animals? I remember when we were supposed to wire every house for ISDN, because in the future, everyone would “need” two 64 kbps bearer channels and a 16 kbps data channel and “integrated services”. The Germans installed a lot of ISDN BRI and mocked us for not following their example. This was 20 years ago, and the futurists all had $1000 ISDN modems in their houses so they could spend half an hour downloading a photo from a bulletin board. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 1:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these I agree with you on the need. In my mind, nobody "needs" more than 1meg. 10meg generally makes them happy and not have too fuss about how they're using it (for now). They "want" 25-100 meg for all their entertainment. Put another way: I might only "need" 10 amps of electrical capacity as long as I'm careful about how I'm using it, but my 200 amp service makes me a happy and contented consumer for the foreseeable future. Regardless of what anyone "needs", fiber is going to end up the standard delivery mechanism for data because it will meet the need of today and the need of next year and the next 50 years. If you build anything else, then in the long run you'll have people still clamoring for improvement and it will end up being replaced. There's nothing wrong with meeting the immediate need with wireless, and you can absolutely make money doing it, but the long term and permanent answer is going to be fiber. So if you want to stay relevant in the future you'll be looking at how to get into that game whether it's with private funding or government subsidy. This is a WISP, we're a WISPA member, and I want WISP's to succeed.but facts is facts. -Adam -- Original Message ------ From: "Mark Radabaugh" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/1/2017 2:11:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Chuck, Explain why we would have to bury fiber for that customer when the current standard for ‘served’ for Internet is 10Mbps which is easily done with wireless, and “Advanced Broadband” is 25/3Mb.I still think there is a very valid argument that 10Mbps is more than sufficient for the services that the government should be guaranteeing (phone, telemedicine, education). 25/3 is more about entertainment than anything else and I don’t see where this is a taxpayer obligation. I want Broadway shows in my little town too - but I don’t expect the government to fund them. The major carriers are moving away from landlines as fast as they can and are really looking to replace all last mile with wireless if they can make it work (and they think they can). I don’t think it will be long until getting traditional landline service in the city is no longer an option - why would we still be forcing this in rural areas? The other issue is the cash cow that funded USF for years (intrastate phone revenue) is rapidly diminishing and will finish it's spiral of death soon unless the contribution base is expanded to broadband. Mark Mark Radabaugh WISPA FCC Committee Chair fcc_ch...@wispa.org 419-261-5996 On Feb 1, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Depends on what you call rural. I have served areas with perhaps 1 house every 5 miles. You are not going to find a wisp willing to build out in areas like that. I plowed 20 miles of fiber for one single house. From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:34 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these If WISPA does their job well, small business can more effectively service the rural markets than the telcos, for alot less money On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: You think? It seems like the Republicans are in the pocket of big telco, so I wouldn't hold my breath. On Wednesday, February 1, 2017, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: i think that bank account may be closed very soon On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
If you plowed 20 miles of fiber for one house, you can bet your ass a WISP would do the same. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 11:38:35 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Depends on what you call rural. I have served areas with perhaps 1 house every 5 miles. You are not going to find a wisp willing to build out in areas like that. I plowed 20 miles of fiber for one single house. From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:34 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these If WISPA does their job well, small business can more effectively service the rural markets than the telcos, for alot less money On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com > wrote: You think? It seems like the Republicans are in the pocket of big telco, so I wouldn't hold my breath. On Wednesday, February 1, 2017, That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: i think that bank account may be closed very soon On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Mark Radabaugh < m...@amplex.net > wrote: Lipstick on a pig. The copper in still rotting in the ground and the only approved Centurylink fix appears to be the upgrade from black to orange trash bags. Except when those are out of stock. Centurylink will be back to the FCC shortly crying about how the need more support money to fix the plant. The only question is if they do it this year or next. Mark Radabaugh WISPA FCC Committee Chair fcc_ch...@wispa.org 419-261-5996 On Feb 1, 2017, at 8:15 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: They couldn't before either, but they didn't give a shit. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Darin Steffl" < darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 11:49:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these These should all be fiber fed. Any new DSLAM's with CAF funding are very likely fiber fed. They just can't support the bandwidth requirements with only bonded T1's anymore. On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:34 PM, Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote: One would suspect a calix e7-2 or e7-20 (2Tbps backplane, 100Gbps link to each line card). I don't think you can even feed those by anything short of at least a gig ethernet circuit. I never really tried on any of the E7-2s I've used in the past though :) On Jan 31, 2017 11:29 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" < li...@packetflux.com > wrote: Out of curiosity, do you know how are they feeding these shelves? I know that in at least one case a couple of years ago, Qwest was feeding an entire neighborhood on I think 4 T1's. On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Darin Steffl < darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > wrote: Exactly. Calix VDSL2 Remote DSLAM. These are the result of CAF funding from Govt. to provide minimum 10/1 Mbps speeds to the census blocks they took funding for. If Centurylink had crappy or no DSL in these areas before, expect them to be able to offer somewhat functional to excellent DSL speeds to customers in range of these remote DSLAMs. For really close customers, they may see up to 40/1 Mbps speeds. On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Carl Peterson < cpeter...@portnetworks.com > wrote: As someone already said, its clearly and E3. https://www.calix.com/systems/e-series/e3-e5-dsl.html On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:18 PM, George Skorup < george.sko...@cbcast.com > wrote: Regen would be my guess. On 1/31/2017 2:45 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote: it got fiber ran into it for remote dslam to provide customers vdsl2 along that route. Tim -----Original Message----- From: "Carl Peterson" < cpeter...@portnetworks.com > To: af@afmug.com Date: 01/31/17 03:28 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Calix. I'd guess G.Fast Sent from my iPhone On Jan 31, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Josh Corson < j...@bluebitnetworks.com > wrote: Does anyone know what these are? They are popping up on fairly rural areas of our coverage areas and on the state highways. Thanks -- Carl Peterson PORT NETWORKS 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi Like us on Facebook -- Forrest Christian CEO , PacketFlux Technologies, Inc. Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi ww
Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Justify plowing 20 miles of fiber to serve one house any way you want, you’re rationalizing. How sure are you that 20 years from now, that investment will still look “future proof”? Or will it look like 8-track tapes and CB radio and non-flying cars and meat made from animals? I remember when we were supposed to wire every house for ISDN, because in the future, everyone would “need” two 64 kbps bearer channels and a 16 kbps data channel and “integrated services”. The Germans installed a lot of ISDN BRI and mocked us for not following their example. This was 20 years ago, and the futurists all had $1000 ISDN modems in their houses so they could spend half an hour downloading a photo from a bulletin board. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 1:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these I agree with you on the need. In my mind, nobody "needs" more than 1meg. 10meg generally makes them happy and not have too fuss about how they're using it (for now). They "want" 25-100 meg for all their entertainment. Put another way: I might only "need" 10 amps of electrical capacity as long as I'm careful about how I'm using it, but my 200 amp service makes me a happy and contented consumer for the foreseeable future. Regardless of what anyone "needs", fiber is going to end up the standard delivery mechanism for data because it will meet the need of today and the need of next year and the next 50 years. If you build anything else, then in the long run you'll have people still clamoring for improvement and it will end up being replaced. There's nothing wrong with meeting the immediate need with wireless, and you can absolutely make money doing it, but the long term and permanent answer is going to be fiber. So if you want to stay relevant in the future you'll be looking at how to get into that game whether it's with private funding or government subsidy. This is a WISP, we're a WISPA member, and I want WISP's to succeed.but facts is facts. -Adam -- Original Message -- From: "Mark Radabaugh" mailto:m...@amplex.net> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: 2/1/2017 2:11:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Chuck, Explain why we would have to bury fiber for that customer when the current standard for ‘served’ for Internet is 10Mbps which is easily done with wireless, and “Advanced Broadband” is 25/3Mb.I still think there is a very valid argument that 10Mbps is more than sufficient for the services that the government should be guaranteeing (phone, telemedicine, education). 25/3 is more about entertainment than anything else and I don’t see where this is a taxpayer obligation. I want Broadway shows in my little town too - but I don’t expect the government to fund them. The major carriers are moving away from landlines as fast as they can and are really looking to replace all last mile with wireless if they can make it work (and they think they can). I don’t think it will be long until getting traditional landline service in the city is no longer an option - why would we still be forcing this in rural areas? The other issue is the cash cow that funded USF for years (intrastate phone revenue) is rapidly diminishing and will finish it's spiral of death soon unless the contribution base is expanded to broadband. Mark Mark Radabaugh WISPA FCC Committee Chair fcc_ch...@wispa.org <mailto:fcc_ch...@wispa.org> 419-261-5996 On Feb 1, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote: Depends on what you call rural. I have served areas with perhaps 1 house every 5 miles. You are not going to find a wisp willing to build out in areas like that. I plowed 20 miles of fiber for one single house. From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:34 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these If WISPA does their job well, small business can more effectively service the rural markets than the telcos, for alot less money On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: You think? It seems like the Republicans are in the pocket of big telco, so I wouldn't hold my breath. On Wednesday, February 1, 2017, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: i think that bank account may be closed very soon On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: Lipstick on a pig. The copper in still rotting in the ground and the only approved Centurylink fix appears to be the upgrade from black to orange trash bags. Except when those are out of stock. Centurylink will be back to the FCC shortly crying about how the need more support money to fix the plant. The on
Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
I “need” at least 10 meg at home. I want to stream 2-3 things at once.
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 12:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
I agree with you on the need. In my mind, nobody "needs" more than 1meg.
10meg generally makes them happy and not have too fuss about how they're using
it (for now). They "want" 25-100 meg for all their entertainment.
Put another way: I might only "need" 10 amps of electrical capacity as long as
I'm careful about how I'm using it, but my 200 amp service makes me a happy and
contented consumer for the foreseeable future.
Regardless of what anyone "needs", fiber is going to end up the standard
delivery mechanism for data because it will meet the need of today and the need
of next year and the next 50 years. If you build anything else, then in the
long run you'll have people still clamoring for improvement and it will end up
being replaced.
There's nothing wrong with meeting the immediate need with wireless, and you
can absolutely make money doing it, but the long term and permanent answer is
going to be fiber. So if you want to stay relevant in the future you'll be
looking at how to get into that game whether it's with private funding or
government subsidy.
This is a WISP, we're a WISPA member, and I want WISP's to succeed.but
facts is facts.
-Adam
-- Original Message ------
From: "Mark Radabaugh"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/1/2017 2:11:22 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Chuck,
Explain why we would have to bury fiber for that customer when the current
standard for ‘served’ for Internet is 10Mbps which is easily done with
wireless, and “Advanced Broadband” is 25/3Mb.I still think there is a very
valid argument that 10Mbps is more than sufficient for the services that the
government should be guaranteeing (phone, telemedicine, education). 25/3 is
more about entertainment than anything else and I don’t see where this is a
taxpayer obligation. I want Broadway shows in my little town too - but I
don’t expect the government to fund them.
The major carriers are moving away from landlines as fast as they can and are
really looking to replace all last mile with wireless if they can make it work
(and they think they can). I don’t think it will be long until getting
traditional landline service in the city is no longer an option - why would we
still be forcing this in rural areas?
The other issue is the cash cow that funded USF for years (intrastate phone
revenue) is rapidly diminishing and will finish it's spiral of death soon
unless the contribution base is expanded to broadband.
Mark
Mark Radabaugh
WISPA FCC Committee Chair
fcc_ch...@wispa.org
419-261-5996
On Feb 1, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Depends on what you call rural. I have served areas with perhaps 1 house
every 5 miles. You are not going to find a wisp willing to build out in areas
like that. I plowed 20 miles of fiber for one single house.
From: That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
If WISPA does their job well, small business can more effectively service
the rural markets than the telcos, for alot less money
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie
wrote:
You think? It seems like the Republicans are in the pocket of big telco,
so I wouldn't hold my breath.
On Wednesday, February 1, 2017, That One Guy /sarcasm
wrote:
i think that bank account may be closed very soon
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
Lipstick on a pig. The copper in still rotting in the ground and
the only approved Centurylink fix appears to be the upgrade from black to
orange trash bags. Except when those are out of stock.
Centurylink will be back to the FCC shortly crying about how the need
more support money to fix the plant. The only question is if they do it this
year or next.
Mark Radabaugh
WISPA FCC Committee Chair
fcc_ch...@wispa.org
419-261-5996
On Feb 1, 2017, at 8:15 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
They couldn't before either, but they didn't give a shit.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
From: "Darin Steffl"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 11:49:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
These should all be fiber fed. Any new DSLAM's with CAF fundi
Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
I agree with you on the need. In my mind, nobody "needs" more than 1meg. 10meg generally makes them happy and not have too fuss about how they're using it (for now). They "want" 25-100 meg for all their entertainment. Put another way: I might only "need" 10 amps of electrical capacity as long as I'm careful about how I'm using it, but my 200 amp service makes me a happy and contented consumer for the foreseeable future. Regardless of what anyone "needs", fiber is going to end up the standard delivery mechanism for data because it will meet the need of today and the need of next year and the next 50 years. If you build anything else, then in the long run you'll have people still clamoring for improvement and it will end up being replaced. There's nothing wrong with meeting the immediate need with wireless, and you can absolutely make money doing it, but the long term and permanent answer is going to be fiber. So if you want to stay relevant in the future you'll be looking at how to get into that game whether it's with private funding or government subsidy. This is a WISP, we're a WISPA member, and I want WISP's to succeed.but facts is facts. -Adam -- Original Message ------ From: "Mark Radabaugh" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/1/2017 2:11:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Chuck, Explain why we would have to bury fiber for that customer when the current standard for ‘served’ for Internet is 10Mbps which is easily done with wireless, and “Advanced Broadband” is 25/3Mb.I still think there is a very valid argument that 10Mbps is more than sufficient for the services that the government should be guaranteeing (phone, telemedicine, education). 25/3 is more about entertainment than anything else and I don’t see where this is a taxpayer obligation. I want Broadway shows in my little town too - but I don’t expect the government to fund them. The major carriers are moving away from landlines as fast as they can and are really looking to replace all last mile with wireless if they can make it work (and they think they can). I don’t think it will be long until getting traditional landline service in the city is no longer an option - why would we still be forcing this in rural areas? The other issue is the cash cow that funded USF for years (intrastate phone revenue) is rapidly diminishing and will finish it's spiral of death soon unless the contribution base is expanded to broadband. Mark Mark Radabaugh WISPA FCC Committee Chair fcc_ch...@wispa.org 419-261-5996 On Feb 1, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Depends on what you call rural. I have served areas with perhaps 1 house every 5 miles. You are not going to find a wisp willing to build out in areas like that. I plowed 20 miles of fiber for one single house. From:That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:34 AM To:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these If WISPA does their job well, small business can more effectively service the rural markets than the telcos, for alot less money On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: You think? It seems like the Republicans are in the pocket of big telco, so I wouldn't hold my breath. On Wednesday, February 1, 2017, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: i think that bank account may be closed very soon On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: Lipstick on a pig. The copper in still rotting in the ground and the only approved Centurylink fix appears to be the upgrade from black to orange trash bags. Except when those are out of stock. Centurylink will be back to the FCC shortly crying about how the need more support money to fix the plant. The only question is if they do it this year or next. Mark Radabaugh WISPA FCC Committee Chair fcc_ch...@wispa.org 419-261-5996 On Feb 1, 2017, at 8:15 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: They couldn't before either, but they didn't give a shit. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> -------- From: "Darin Steffl" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 11:49:50 PM Subject
Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Because you don’t build copper any more. The RUS will not finance a copper build. The USF contribution base is largely coming from cell phone carriers these days, but yes it will probably eventually expand to all internet services. Hey, I didn’t write the rules, I just read them. Don’t hate me because I am beautiful. From: Mark Radabaugh Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 12:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Chuck, Explain why we would have to bury fiber for that customer when the current standard for ‘served’ for Internet is 10Mbps which is easily done with wireless, and “Advanced Broadband” is 25/3Mb.I still think there is a very valid argument that 10Mbps is more than sufficient for the services that the government should be guaranteeing (phone, telemedicine, education). 25/3 is more about entertainment than anything else and I don’t see where this is a taxpayer obligation. I want Broadway shows in my little town too - but I don’t expect the government to fund them. The major carriers are moving away from landlines as fast as they can and are really looking to replace all last mile with wireless if they can make it work (and they think they can). I don’t think it will be long until getting traditional landline service in the city is no longer an option - why would we still be forcing this in rural areas? The other issue is the cash cow that funded USF for years (intrastate phone revenue) is rapidly diminishing and will finish it's spiral of death soon unless the contribution base is expanded to broadband. Mark Mark Radabaugh WISPA FCC Committee Chair fcc_ch...@wispa.org 419-261-5996 On Feb 1, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Depends on what you call rural. I have served areas with perhaps 1 house every 5 miles. You are not going to find a wisp willing to build out in areas like that. I plowed 20 miles of fiber for one single house. From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:34 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these If WISPA does their job well, small business can more effectively service the rural markets than the telcos, for alot less money On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie wrote: You think? It seems like the Republicans are in the pocket of big telco, so I wouldn't hold my breath. On Wednesday, February 1, 2017, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: i think that bank account may be closed very soon On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: Lipstick on a pig. The copper in still rotting in the ground and the only approved Centurylink fix appears to be the upgrade from black to orange trash bags. Except when those are out of stock. Centurylink will be back to the FCC shortly crying about how the need more support money to fix the plant. The only question is if they do it this year or next. Mark Radabaugh WISPA FCC Committee Chair fcc_ch...@wispa.org 419-261-5996 On Feb 1, 2017, at 8:15 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: They couldn't before either, but they didn't give a shit. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -- From: "Darin Steffl" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 11:49:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these These should all be fiber fed. Any new DSLAM's with CAF funding are very likely fiber fed. They just can't support the bandwidth requirements with only bonded T1's anymore. On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:34 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: One would suspect a calix e7-2 or e7-20 (2Tbps backplane, 100Gbps link to each line card). I don't think you can even feed those by anything short of at least a gig ethernet circuit. I never really tried on any of the E7-2s I've used in the past though :) On Jan 31, 2017 11:29 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" wrote: Out of curiosity, do you know how are they feeding these shelves? I know that in at least one case a couple of years ago, Qwest was feeding an entire neighborhood on I think 4 T1's. On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Darin Steffl wrote: Exactly. Calix VDSL2 Remote DSLAM. These are the result of CAF funding from Govt. to provide minimum 10/1 Mbps speeds to the census blocks they took funding for. If Centurylink had crappy or no DSL in these areas before, expect them to be able to offer somewhat functional to excellent DSL speeds to customers in range of these remote DSLAMs. For really clos
Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Chuck, Explain why we would have to bury fiber for that customer when the current standard for ‘served’ for Internet is 10Mbps which is easily done with wireless, and “Advanced Broadband” is 25/3Mb.I still think there is a very valid argument that 10Mbps is more than sufficient for the services that the government should be guaranteeing (phone, telemedicine, education). 25/3 is more about entertainment than anything else and I don’t see where this is a taxpayer obligation. I want Broadway shows in my little town too - but I don’t expect the government to fund them. The major carriers are moving away from landlines as fast as they can and are really looking to replace all last mile with wireless if they can make it work (and they think they can). I don’t think it will be long until getting traditional landline service in the city is no longer an option - why would we still be forcing this in rural areas? The other issue is the cash cow that funded USF for years (intrastate phone revenue) is rapidly diminishing and will finish it's spiral of death soon unless the contribution base is expanded to broadband. Mark Mark Radabaugh WISPA FCC Committee Chair fcc_ch...@wispa.org 419-261-5996 > On Feb 1, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > Depends on what you call rural. I have served areas with perhaps 1 house > every 5 miles. You are not going to find a wisp willing to build out in > areas like that. I plowed 20 miles of fiber for one single house. > > From: That One Guy /sarcasm <> > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:34 AM > To: af@afmug.com <> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these > > If WISPA does their job well, small business can more effectively service the > rural markets than the telcos, for alot less money > > On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie > > wrote: >> You think? It seems like the Republicans are in the pocket of big telco, so >> I wouldn't hold my breath. >> >> On Wednesday, February 1, 2017, That One Guy /sarcasm >> > wrote: >>> i think that bank account may be closed very soon >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Mark Radabaugh > wrote: >>>> Lipstick on a pig. The copper in still rotting in the ground and the >>>> only approved Centurylink fix appears to be the upgrade from black to >>>> orange trash bags. Except when those are out of stock. >>>> >>>> Centurylink will be back to the FCC shortly crying about how the need more >>>> support money to fix the plant. The only question is if they do it this >>>> year or next. >>>> >>>> Mark Radabaugh >>>> WISPA FCC Committee Chair >>>> fcc_ch...@wispa.org <> >>>> 419-261-5996 >>>> >>>>> On Feb 1, 2017, at 8:15 AM, Mike Hammett > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> They couldn't before either, but they didn't give a shit. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>> From: "Darin Steffl" > >>>>> To: af@afmug.com <> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 11:49:50 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these >>>>> >>>>> These should all be fiber fed. Any new DSLAM's with CAF funding are very >>>>> likely fiber fed. They just can't support the bandwidth requirements with >>>>> only bonded T1's anymore. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:34 PM, Josh Reynolds > >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> One would suspect a calix e7-2 or e7-20 (2Tbps backplane, 100Gbps
Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Called the “duty to serve” which is legal doctrine dating back to the roman
empire. When you are granted the right to a road or waterway or whatever, you
must take all that will pay the tariff. It is the foundation of common
carriage.
An ILEC is a common carrier.
In more modern language it is called the POLR or Provider of Last Resort. When
applying for an RUS loan, you must canvass everyone in the area. All that want
service get service.
And so far, this is all voice. Internet comes along for the ride, but you
cannot build if they don’t ask for POTS.
From: Darin Steffl
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 11:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Chuck,
Can you provide some scenarios where an ILEC is required to build? For example
on that 20 mile build. Was there not already copper in the ground for voice
service? I know an ILEC is required to provide voice but are they actually
required to build to that customer at no charge to them for capital build?
Internet is not required to be built with USF, just voice correct?
So for that 20 mile build, there were no other homes on that span and I'm
assuming no usable copper so fiber was the logical choice? How was the build
funded and justified? New home on some ranch in Montana or something?
Small ILEC or big one like century link? I wouldn't think century link would
ever build 20 miles to anyone at no cost to the end user.
Trying to learn more about this.
Thanks
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 12:02 PM Chuck McCown wrote:
The national doctrine of universal service does not allow you to discriminate
against people like that. Moreover the funds were borrowed from the the USDA
which is actually a profit center, so in reality this is making money for the
government.
You do not have to agree, but universal service has been the law of the land
for about 75 years.
Satellite is not an option for low latency phone and data. You have to give
them the same service as the other customers.
So, as long as the USDA is loaning money and as long as the FCC uses part 32
and 36 to allow a return on the income and as long as the users of the PSTN pay
their USF FEES, it will continue. Again, no tax dollars are harmed in this
process.
From: Darin Steffl
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Chuck,
I do NOT agree that any company should be required or use govt. funds to
build out broadband to ONE house in 20 miles because it's a right or a utility.
Unless the customer agrees to pay the majority of the cost.
For homes like that which are so spread out that ROI is 50-100 years, they
should be served with either Fixed Wireless or satellite internet. There is no
sense in spending Govt. funding or even private dollars to build to 1 house
every 5 or 20 miles. Makes so sense and is a complete waste of everyone's $$$
when satellite is an option.
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Depends on what you call rural. I have served areas with perhaps 1 house
every 5 miles. You are not going to find a wisp willing to build out in areas
like that. I plowed 20 miles of fiber for one single house.
From: That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
If WISPA does their job well, small business can more effectively service
the rural markets than the telcos, for alot less money
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie
wrote:
You think? It seems like the Republicans are in the pocket of big telco,
so I wouldn't hold my breath.
On Wednesday, February 1, 2017, That One Guy /sarcasm
wrote:
i think that bank account may be closed very soon
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
Lipstick on a pig. The copper in still rotting in the ground and
the only approved Centurylink fix appears to be the upgrade from black to
orange trash bags. Except when those are out of stock.
Centurylink will be back to the FCC shortly crying about how the need
more support money to fix the plant. The only question is if they do it this
year or next.
Mark Radabaugh
WISPA FCC Committee Chair
fcc_ch...@wispa.org
419-261-5996
On Feb 1, 2017, at 8:15 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
They couldn't before either, but they didn't give a shit.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
From: "Darin Steffl"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 11:49:50 PM
Subj
Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Chuck, Can you provide some scenarios where an ILEC is required to build? For example on that 20 mile build. Was there not already copper in the ground for voice service? I know an ILEC is required to provide voice but are they actually required to build to that customer at no charge to them for capital build? Internet is not required to be built with USF, just voice correct? So for that 20 mile build, there were no other homes on that span and I'm assuming no usable copper so fiber was the logical choice? How was the build funded and justified? New home on some ranch in Montana or something? Small ILEC or big one like century link? I wouldn't think century link would ever build 20 miles to anyone at no cost to the end user. Trying to learn more about this. Thanks On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 12:02 PM Chuck McCown wrote: > The national doctrine of universal service does not allow you to > discriminate against people like that. Moreover the funds were borrowed > from the the USDA which is actually a profit center, so in reality this is > making money for the government. > > You do not have to agree, but universal service has been the law of the > land for about 75 years. > Satellite is not an option for low latency phone and data. You have to > give them the same service as the other customers. > > So, as long as the USDA is loaning money and as long as the FCC uses part > 32 and 36 to allow a return on the income and as long as the users of the > PSTN pay their USF FEES, it will continue. Again, no tax dollars are > harmed in this process. > > *From:* Darin Steffl > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:45 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these > Chuck, > > I do NOT agree that any company should be required or use govt. funds to > build out broadband to ONE house in 20 miles because it's a right or a > utility. Unless the customer agrees to pay the majority of the cost. > > For homes like that which are so spread out that ROI is 50-100 years, they > should be served with either Fixed Wireless or satellite internet. There is > no sense in spending Govt. funding or even private dollars to build to 1 > house every 5 or 20 miles. Makes so sense and is a complete waste of > everyone's $$$ when satellite is an option. > On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > Depends on what you call rural. I have served areas with perhaps 1 house > every 5 miles. You are not going to find a wisp willing to build out in > areas like that. I plowed 20 miles of fiber for one single house. > > *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:34 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these > > If WISPA does their job well, small business can more effectively service > the rural markets than the telcos, for alot less money > > On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie < > j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > > You think? It seems like the Republicans are in the pocket of big telco, > so I wouldn't hold my breath. > > On Wednesday, February 1, 2017, That One Guy /sarcasm < > thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > > i think that bank account may be closed very soon > > On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: > > Lipstick on a pig. The copper in still rotting in the ground and the > only approved Centurylink fix appears to be the upgrade from black to > orange trash bags. Except when those are out of stock. > > Centurylink will be back to the FCC shortly crying about how the need more > support money to fix the plant. The only question is if they do it this > year or next. > > Mark Radabaugh > WISPA FCC Committee Chair > fcc_ch...@wispa.org > 419-261-5996 <(419)%20261-5996> > > > On Feb 1, 2017, at 8:15 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > They couldn't before either, but they didn't give a shit. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > *From: *"Darin Steffl&quo
Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
The national doctrine of universal service does not allow you to discriminate
against people like that. Moreover the funds were borrowed from the the USDA
which is actually a profit center, so in reality this is making money for the
government.
You do not have to agree, but universal service has been the law of the land
for about 75 years.
Satellite is not an option for low latency phone and data. You have to give
them the same service as the other customers.
So, as long as the USDA is loaning money and as long as the FCC uses part 32
and 36 to allow a return on the income and as long as the users of the PSTN pay
their USF FEES, it will continue. Again, no tax dollars are harmed in this
process.
From: Darin Steffl
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Chuck,
I do NOT agree that any company should be required or use govt. funds to build
out broadband to ONE house in 20 miles because it's a right or a utility.
Unless the customer agrees to pay the majority of the cost.
For homes like that which are so spread out that ROI is 50-100 years, they
should be served with either Fixed Wireless or satellite internet. There is no
sense in spending Govt. funding or even private dollars to build to 1 house
every 5 or 20 miles. Makes so sense and is a complete waste of everyone's $$$
when satellite is an option.
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Depends on what you call rural. I have served areas with perhaps 1 house
every 5 miles. You are not going to find a wisp willing to build out in areas
like that. I plowed 20 miles of fiber for one single house.
From: That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
If WISPA does their job well, small business can more effectively service the
rural markets than the telcos, for alot less money
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie
wrote:
You think? It seems like the Republicans are in the pocket of big telco, so
I wouldn't hold my breath.
On Wednesday, February 1, 2017, That One Guy /sarcasm
wrote:
i think that bank account may be closed very soon
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
Lipstick on a pig. The copper in still rotting in the ground and the
only approved Centurylink fix appears to be the upgrade from black to orange
trash bags. Except when those are out of stock.
Centurylink will be back to the FCC shortly crying about how the need
more support money to fix the plant. The only question is if they do it this
year or next.
Mark Radabaugh
WISPA FCC Committee Chair
fcc_ch...@wispa.org
419-261-5996
On Feb 1, 2017, at 8:15 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
They couldn't before either, but they didn't give a shit.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
--
From: "Darin Steffl"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 11:49:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
These should all be fiber fed. Any new DSLAM's with CAF funding are
very likely fiber fed. They just can't support the bandwidth requirements with
only bonded T1's anymore.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:34 PM, Josh Reynolds
wrote:
One would suspect a calix e7-2 or e7-20 (2Tbps backplane, 100Gbps
link to each line card). I don't think you can even feed those by anything
short of at least a gig ethernet circuit. I never really tried on any of the
E7-2s I've used in the past though :)
On Jan 31, 2017 11:29 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)"
wrote:
Out of curiosity, do you know how are they feeding these
shelves?
I know that in at least one case a couple of years ago, Qwest was
feeding an entire neighborhood on I think 4 T1's.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Darin Steffl
wrote:
Exactly. Calix VDSL2 Remote DSLAM. These are the result of CAF
funding from Govt. to provide minimum 10/1 Mbps speeds to the census blocks
they took funding for.
If Centurylink had crappy or no DSL in these areas before,
expect them to be able to offer somewhat functional to excellent DSL speeds to
customers in range of these remote DSLAMs. For really close customers, they may
see up to 40/1 Mbps speeds.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Carl Peterson
wrote:
As someone already said, its clearly and E3.
https://www.calix.com/systems/e-series/e3-e5-dsl.htm
Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Chuck, I do NOT agree that any company should be required or use govt. funds to build out broadband to ONE house in 20 miles because it's a right or a utility. Unless the customer agrees to pay the majority of the cost. For homes like that which are so spread out that ROI is 50-100 years, they should be served with either Fixed Wireless or satellite internet. There is no sense in spending Govt. funding or even private dollars to build to 1 house every 5 or 20 miles. Makes so sense and is a complete waste of everyone's $$$ when satellite is an option. On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > Depends on what you call rural. I have served areas with perhaps 1 house > every 5 miles. You are not going to find a wisp willing to build out in > areas like that. I plowed 20 miles of fiber for one single house. > > *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:34 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these > > If WISPA does their job well, small business can more effectively service > the rural markets than the telcos, for alot less money > > On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie < > j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > >> You think? It seems like the Republicans are in the pocket of big telco, >> so I wouldn't hold my breath. >> >> On Wednesday, February 1, 2017, That One Guy /sarcasm < >> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> i think that bank account may be closed very soon >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: >>> >>>> Lipstick on a pig. The copper in still rotting in the ground and the >>>> only approved Centurylink fix appears to be the upgrade from black to >>>> orange trash bags. Except when those are out of stock. >>>> >>>> Centurylink will be back to the FCC shortly crying about how the need >>>> more support money to fix the plant. The only question is if they do it >>>> this year or next. >>>> >>>> Mark Radabaugh >>>> WISPA FCC Committee Chair >>>> fcc_ch...@wispa.org >>>> 419-261-5996 <(419)%20261-5996> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Feb 1, 2017, at 8:15 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >>>> >>>> They couldn't before either, but they didn't give a shit. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>> -- >>>> *From: *"Darin Steffl" >>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 31, 2017 11:49:50 PM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these >>>> >>>> These should all be fiber fed. Any new DSLAM's with CAF funding are >>>> very likely fiber fed. They just can't support the bandwidth requirements >>>> with only bonded T1's anymore. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:34 PM, Josh Reynolds >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> One would suspect a calix e7-2 or e7-20 (2Tbps backplane, 100Gbps link >>>>> to each line card). I don't think you can even feed those by anything >>>>> short >>>>> of at least a gig ethernet circuit. I never really tried on any of the >>>>> E7-2s I've used in the past though :) >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 31, 2017 11:29 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" < >>>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Out of curiosity, do you know how are they feeding these shelves? >>>>>> >>>>>> I know that in at least one case a couple of years ago, Qwest was >>>&
Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Depends on what you call rural. I have served areas with perhaps 1 house every
5 miles. You are not going to find a wisp willing to build out in areas like
that. I plowed 20 miles of fiber for one single house.
From: That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
If WISPA does their job well, small business can more effectively service the
rural markets than the telcos, for alot less money
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie
wrote:
You think? It seems like the Republicans are in the pocket of big telco, so I
wouldn't hold my breath.
On Wednesday, February 1, 2017, That One Guy /sarcasm
wrote:
i think that bank account may be closed very soon
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
Lipstick on a pig. The copper in still rotting in the ground and the
only approved Centurylink fix appears to be the upgrade from black to orange
trash bags. Except when those are out of stock.
Centurylink will be back to the FCC shortly crying about how the need
more support money to fix the plant. The only question is if they do it this
year or next.
Mark Radabaugh
WISPA FCC Committee Chair
fcc_ch...@wispa.org
419-261-5996
On Feb 1, 2017, at 8:15 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
They couldn't before either, but they didn't give a shit.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
From: "Darin Steffl"
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 11:49:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
These should all be fiber fed. Any new DSLAM's with CAF funding are
very likely fiber fed. They just can't support the bandwidth requirements with
only bonded T1's anymore.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:34 PM, Josh Reynolds
wrote:
One would suspect a calix e7-2 or e7-20 (2Tbps backplane, 100Gbps
link to each line card). I don't think you can even feed those by anything
short of at least a gig ethernet circuit. I never really tried on any of the
E7-2s I've used in the past though :)
On Jan 31, 2017 11:29 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)"
wrote:
Out of curiosity, do you know how are they feeding these shelves?
I know that in at least one case a couple of years ago, Qwest was
feeding an entire neighborhood on I think 4 T1's.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Darin Steffl
wrote:
Exactly. Calix VDSL2 Remote DSLAM. These are the result of CAF
funding from Govt. to provide minimum 10/1 Mbps speeds to the census blocks
they took funding for.
If Centurylink had crappy or no DSL in these areas before, expect
them to be able to offer somewhat functional to excellent DSL speeds to
customers in range of these remote DSLAMs. For really close customers, they may
see up to 40/1 Mbps speeds.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Carl Peterson
wrote:
As someone already said, its clearly and E3.
https://www.calix.com/systems/e-series/e3-e5-dsl.html
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:18 PM, George Skorup
wrote:
Regen would be my guess.
On 1/31/2017 2:45 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote:
it got fiber ran into it for remote dslam to provide
customers vdsl2 along that route.
Tim
-Original Message-
From: "Carl Peterson"
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 01/31/17 03:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Calix. I'd guess G.Fast
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 31, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Josh Corson
wrote:
Does anyone know what these are? They are popping up on
fairly rural
areas of our coverage areas and on the state highways.
Thanks
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PORT NETWORKS
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Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
If WISPA does their job well, small business can more effectively service the rural markets than the telcos, for alot less money On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > You think? It seems like the Republicans are in the pocket of big telco, > so I wouldn't hold my breath. > > On Wednesday, February 1, 2017, That One Guy /sarcasm < > thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> i think that bank account may be closed very soon >> >> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: >> >>> Lipstick on a pig. The copper in still rotting in the ground and the >>> only approved Centurylink fix appears to be the upgrade from black to >>> orange trash bags. Except when those are out of stock. >>> >>> Centurylink will be back to the FCC shortly crying about how the need >>> more support money to fix the plant. The only question is if they do it >>> this year or next. >>> >>> Mark Radabaugh >>> WISPA FCC Committee Chair >>> fcc_ch...@wispa.org >>> 419-261-5996 <(419)%20261-5996> >>> >>> On Feb 1, 2017, at 8:15 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >>> >>> They couldn't before either, but they didn't give a shit. >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> -- >>> *From: *"Darin Steffl" >>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 31, 2017 11:49:50 PM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these >>> >>> These should all be fiber fed. Any new DSLAM's with CAF funding are very >>> likely fiber fed. They just can't support the bandwidth requirements with >>> only bonded T1's anymore. >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:34 PM, Josh Reynolds >>> wrote: >>> >>>> One would suspect a calix e7-2 or e7-20 (2Tbps backplane, 100Gbps link >>>> to each line card). I don't think you can even feed those by anything short >>>> of at least a gig ethernet circuit. I never really tried on any of the >>>> E7-2s I've used in the past though :) >>>> >>>> On Jan 31, 2017 11:29 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" < >>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Out of curiosity, do you know how are they feeding these shelves? >>>>> >>>>> I know that in at least one case a couple of years ago, Qwest was >>>>> feeding an entire neighborhood on I think 4 T1's. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Darin Steffl >>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Exactly. Calix VDSL2 Remote DSLAM. These are the result of CAF >>>>>> funding from Govt. to provide minimum 10/1 Mbps speeds to the census >>>>>> blocks >>>>>> they took funding for. >>>>>> >>>>>> If Centurylink had crappy or no DSL in these areas before, expect >>>>>> them to be able to offer somewhat functional to excellent DSL speeds to >>>>>> customers in range of these remote DSLAMs. For really close customers, >>>>>> they >>>>>> may see up to 40/1 Mbps speeds. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Carl Peterson < >>>>>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> As someone already said, its clearly and E3. >>>>>>> https://www.calix.com/systems/e-series/e3-e5-dsl.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:18 PM, George Skorup < >>>>>>> george.sko...@cbcast.
Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
You think? It seems like the Republicans are in the pocket of big telco, so I wouldn't hold my breath. On Wednesday, February 1, 2017, That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > i think that bank account may be closed very soon > > On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Mark Radabaugh > wrote: > >> Lipstick on a pig. The copper in still rotting in the ground and the >> only approved Centurylink fix appears to be the upgrade from black to >> orange trash bags. Except when those are out of stock. >> >> Centurylink will be back to the FCC shortly crying about how the need >> more support money to fix the plant. The only question is if they do it >> this year or next. >> >> Mark Radabaugh >> WISPA FCC Committee Chair >> fcc_ch...@wispa.org >> 419-261-5996 <(419)%20261-5996> >> >> On Feb 1, 2017, at 8:15 AM, Mike Hammett > > wrote: >> >> They couldn't before either, but they didn't give a shit. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> -- >> *From: *"Darin Steffl" > > >> *To: *af@afmug.com >> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 31, 2017 11:49:50 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these >> >> These should all be fiber fed. Any new DSLAM's with CAF funding are very >> likely fiber fed. They just can't support the bandwidth requirements with >> only bonded T1's anymore. >> >> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:34 PM, Josh Reynolds > > wrote: >> >>> One would suspect a calix e7-2 or e7-20 (2Tbps backplane, 100Gbps link >>> to each line card). I don't think you can even feed those by anything short >>> of at least a gig ethernet circuit. I never really tried on any of the >>> E7-2s I've used in the past though :) >>> >>> On Jan 31, 2017 11:29 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" < >>> li...@packetflux.com >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> Out of curiosity, do you know how are they feeding these shelves? >>>> >>>> I know that in at least one case a couple of years ago, Qwest was >>>> feeding an entire neighborhood on I think 4 T1's. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Darin Steffl >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> Exactly. Calix VDSL2 Remote DSLAM. These are the result of CAF funding >>>>> from Govt. to provide minimum 10/1 Mbps speeds to the census blocks they >>>>> took funding for. >>>>> >>>>> If Centurylink had crappy or no DSL in these areas before, expect them >>>>> to be able to offer somewhat functional to excellent DSL speeds to >>>>> customers in range of these remote DSLAMs. For really close customers, >>>>> they >>>>> may see up to 40/1 Mbps speeds. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Carl Peterson < >>>>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> As someone already said, its clearly and E3. >>>>>> https://www.calix.com/systems/e-series/e3-e5-dsl.html >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:18 PM, George Skorup < >>>>>> george.sko...@cbcast.com >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Regen would be my guess. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1/31/2017 2:45 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> it got fiber ran into it for remote dslam to provide customers >>>>>>>> vdsl2 along that route. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tim >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Original Message-
Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
i think that bank account may be closed very soon On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: > Lipstick on a pig. The copper in still rotting in the ground and the > only approved Centurylink fix appears to be the upgrade from black to > orange trash bags. Except when those are out of stock. > > Centurylink will be back to the FCC shortly crying about how the need more > support money to fix the plant. The only question is if they do it this > year or next. > > Mark Radabaugh > WISPA FCC Committee Chair > fcc_ch...@wispa.org > 419-261-5996 <(419)%20261-5996> > > On Feb 1, 2017, at 8:15 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > They couldn't before either, but they didn't give a shit. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > *From: *"Darin Steffl" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Tuesday, January 31, 2017 11:49:50 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these > > These should all be fiber fed. Any new DSLAM's with CAF funding are very > likely fiber fed. They just can't support the bandwidth requirements with > only bonded T1's anymore. > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:34 PM, Josh Reynolds > wrote: > >> One would suspect a calix e7-2 or e7-20 (2Tbps backplane, 100Gbps link to >> each line card). I don't think you can even feed those by anything short of >> at least a gig ethernet circuit. I never really tried on any of the E7-2s >> I've used in the past though :) >> >> On Jan 31, 2017 11:29 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" < >> li...@packetflux.com> wrote: >> >>> Out of curiosity, do you know how are they feeding these shelves? >>> >>> I know that in at least one case a couple of years ago, Qwest was >>> feeding an entire neighborhood on I think 4 T1's. >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Darin Steffl >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Exactly. Calix VDSL2 Remote DSLAM. These are the result of CAF funding >>>> from Govt. to provide minimum 10/1 Mbps speeds to the census blocks they >>>> took funding for. >>>> >>>> If Centurylink had crappy or no DSL in these areas before, expect them >>>> to be able to offer somewhat functional to excellent DSL speeds to >>>> customers in range of these remote DSLAMs. For really close customers, they >>>> may see up to 40/1 Mbps speeds. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Carl Peterson < >>>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> As someone already said, its clearly and E3. https://www.calix.com/ >>>>> systems/e-series/e3-e5-dsl.html >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:18 PM, George Skorup < >>>>> george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Regen would be my guess. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 1/31/2017 2:45 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> it got fiber ran into it for remote dslam to provide customers vdsl2 >>>>>>> along that route. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tim >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: "Carl Peterson" >>>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>>> Date: 01/31/17 03:28 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Calix. I'd guess G.Fast >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Josh Corson >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Does anyone
Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
For people at the bottom end of the economic scale (thinking about seniors on Social Security), it seems to me the ideal combination is a Lifeline cellphone and an OTA TV antenna with a DVR. The cellphone eliminates all worries about crappy copper, power outages, etc. and it works in the house, out in the yard, or at the doctor’s office. This was at odds with the Wheeler FCC agenda to move everyone’s phone and video to a high cost IP based network of the future. But now Wheeler is out, at least for 4 years. Gigabit fiber and 4K streaming TV is great for people who can afford it, but not really a great solution for the little old widow lady trying to live in a rental house in the country with no income other than Social Security. The sad thing is many of these people have moved out from the city or suburbs and away from relatives who could assist with their care, because they can’t afford the property taxes and other high costs of living in the more populated areas. The nearest pharmacy may be 25 miles away, so they have prescriptions delivered by mail. They worry about the “fallen and can’t get up” scenario. Meanwhile I keep hearing that all our economic problems are due to lazy baby boomers sponging off the welfare system, when in fact a lot of them are dipping into their 401K savings because they have unemployed 25 year old children and grandchildren living in their basements. When I was 25, it was drilled into us to take full advantage of employer provided benefits like insurance, tuition reimbursement, and 401K contribution matching. The retirement funds accumulated by that generation provided a big cushion to the US economy during the decade long “Great Recession”. I’m sure there are 20-somethings today who max out their 401K or IRA contributions, but a lot of them seem don’t seem to have savings to cover a 1 week layoff, much less their eventual retirement. We live in the prepaid phone era, where you decide at the beginning of each month whether you can afford your phone that month. I just don’t understand why so many people describe our situation as a bunch of lazy baby boomers sponging off the hard working millennials and Gen-Xers. Ask the 70 year old guy retrieving carts in the Walmart parking lot how he’s enjoying retirement. I think it’s probably good that newer generations are less focused on material possession than their predecessors, but no one seems to be preaching the doctrine of saving for retirement anymore (except that company with commercials about “orange money”). The politicians who want to privatize Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security but say everything will be OK with high-deductible insurance and Health Savings Accounts, I don’t think they’ve ever met a poor (non-rich) person. The idea that you can set aside a bunch of pre-tax money each month to pay your medical costs, that’s just ridiculous when you don’t even make enough to pay income tax. For somebody with no income other than Social Security, pre-tax and post-tax is the same thing. It’s like trying to motivate start-up companies via tax exemptions. Most of them would LOVE to have income tax as their #1 worry. In the startup phase, it’s all about having enough cashflow to make payroll. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 9:26 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these We have just purchased a WISP in a predominately centurylink area. We are hearing about the towns fed by t1sugh Fortunately we have just inherited some wireless in those towns - Original Message - From: Forrest Christian (List Account) <mailto:li...@packetflux.com> To: af <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 11:29 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Out of curiosity, do you know how are they feeding these shelves? I know that in at least one case a couple of years ago, Qwest was feeding an entire neighborhood on I think 4 T1's. On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Darin Steffl mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> > wrote: Exactly. Calix VDSL2 Remote DSLAM. These are the result of CAF funding from Govt. to provide minimum 10/1 Mbps speeds to the census blocks they took funding for. If Centurylink had crappy or no DSL in these areas before, expect them to be able to offer somewhat functional to excellent DSL speeds to customers in range of these remote DSLAMs. For really close customers, they may see up to 40/1 Mbps speeds. On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Carl Peterson mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > wrote: As someone already said, its clearly and E3. https://www.calix.com/systems/e-series/e3-e5-dsl.html On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:18 PM, George Skorup mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com> > wrote: Regen would be my guess. On 1/31/2017 2:45 PM, Tim Reichhart w
Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
We have just purchased a WISP in a predominately centurylink area. We are
hearing about the towns fed by t1sugh
Fortunately we have just inherited some wireless in those towns
- Original Message -
From: Forrest Christian (List Account)
To: af
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 11:29 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Out of curiosity, do you know how are they feeding these shelves?
I know that in at least one case a couple of years ago, Qwest was feeding an
entire neighborhood on I think 4 T1's.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:
Exactly. Calix VDSL2 Remote DSLAM. These are the result of CAF funding from
Govt. to provide minimum 10/1 Mbps speeds to the census blocks they took
funding for.
If Centurylink had crappy or no DSL in these areas before, expect them to
be able to offer somewhat functional to excellent DSL speeds to customers in
range of these remote DSLAMs. For really close customers, they may see up to
40/1 Mbps speeds.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Carl Peterson
wrote:
As someone already said, its clearly and E3.
https://www.calix.com/systems/e-series/e3-e5-dsl.html
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:18 PM, George Skorup
wrote:
Regen would be my guess.
On 1/31/2017 2:45 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote:
it got fiber ran into it for remote dslam to provide customers vdsl2
along that route.
Tim
-Original Message-
From: "Carl Peterson"
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 01/31/17 03:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Calix. I'd guess G.Fast
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 31, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Josh Corson
wrote:
Does anyone know what these are? They are popping up on fairly
rural
areas of our coverage areas and on the state highways.
Thanks
--
Carl Peterson
PORT NETWORKS
401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
Baltimore, MD 21202
(410) 637-3707
--
Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
Like us on Facebook
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Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
DSL is a strange world. OFDM is instead called DMT, and self-FEXT cancellation is called vectoring. And you get standards like G.fast and G.vector. It’s like a superhero universe. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 8:44 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these VDSL with vectoring easy does 100Mbit/s. We see 40 over a km. Depends on the copper. On short hops we see up to 135x63. DSLAMs are cheaper than 450m. So where it is possible to use copper it is a good option. Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Chuck McCown Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. Februar 2017 15:21 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these We see up to 50 Mbps on Calix VDSL2 on the shorter loops. That case looks like it could be the v.fast box too. They have one that looks like that and they claim up to 200 Mbps on shorter loops for that technology. From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 10:34 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these One would suspect a calix e7-2 or e7-20 (2Tbps backplane, 100Gbps link to each line card). I don't think you can even feed those by anything short of at least a gig ethernet circuit. I never really tried on any of the E7-2s I've used in the past though :) On Jan 31, 2017 11:29 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > wrote: Out of curiosity, do you know how are they feeding these shelves? I know that in at least one case a couple of years ago, Qwest was feeding an entire neighborhood on I think 4 T1's. On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Darin Steffl mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> > wrote: Exactly. Calix VDSL2 Remote DSLAM. These are the result of CAF funding from Govt. to provide minimum 10/1 Mbps speeds to the census blocks they took funding for. If Centurylink had crappy or no DSL in these areas before, expect them to be able to offer somewhat functional to excellent DSL speeds to customers in range of these remote DSLAMs. For really close customers, they may see up to 40/1 Mbps speeds. On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Carl Peterson mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > wrote: As someone already said, its clearly and E3. https://www.calix.com/systems/e-series/e3-e5-dsl.html On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:18 PM, George Skorup mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com> > wrote: Regen would be my guess. On 1/31/2017 2:45 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote: it got fiber ran into it for remote dslam to provide customers vdsl2 along that route. Tim -Original Message- From: "Carl Peterson" mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Date: 01/31/17 03:28 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Calix. I'd guess G.Fast Sent from my iPhone On Jan 31, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Josh Corson mailto:j...@bluebitnetworks.com> > wrote: Does anyone know what these are? They are popping up on fairly rural areas of our coverage areas and on the state highways. Thanks -- Carl Peterson PORT NETWORKS 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com <http://www.mnwifi.com/> 507-634-WiFi <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> -- Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc. Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 forre...@imach.com <mailto:forre...@imach.com> | <http://www.packetflux.com/> http://www.packetflux.com <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian> <http://facebook.com/packetflux> <http://twitter.com/@packetflux>
Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Yeah like 1.5Gbps aggregate real throughput on a pair g.fast. :-) On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 9:29 AM Mike Hammett wrote: > On short loops, VDSL2 can go up to 200 - 300 megabit. v.fast and it's > derivatives should be able to approach gig. That's short loops, though. > MDU, individual city blocks, etc. > > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ---------- > *From: *"Chuck McCown" > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Wednesday, February 1, 2017 8:20:48 AM > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these > > We see up to 50 Mbps on Calix VDSL2 on the shorter loops. That case looks > like it could be the v.fast box too. They have one that looks like that > and they claim up to 200 Mbps on shorter loops for that technology. > > *From:* Josh Reynolds > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 31, 2017 10:34 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these > > One would suspect a calix e7-2 or e7-20 (2Tbps backplane, 100Gbps link to > each line card). I don't think you can even feed those by anything short of > at least a gig ethernet circuit. I never really tried on any of the E7-2s > I've used in the past though :) > > On Jan 31, 2017 11:29 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" < > li...@packetflux.com> wrote: > > Out of curiosity, do you know how are they feeding these shelves? > > I know that in at least one case a couple of years ago, Qwest was feeding > an entire neighborhood on I think 4 T1's. > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Darin Steffl > wrote: > > Exactly. Calix VDSL2 Remote DSLAM. These are the result of CAF funding > from Govt. to provide minimum 10/1 Mbps speeds to the census blocks they > took funding for. > > If Centurylink had crappy or no DSL in these areas before, expect them to > be able to offer somewhat functional to excellent DSL speeds to customers > in range of these remote DSLAMs. For really close customers, they may see > up to 40/1 Mbps speeds. > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Carl Peterson > wrote: > > As someone already said, its clearly and E3. > https://www.calix.com/systems/e-series/e3-e5-dsl.html > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:18 PM, George Skorup > wrote: > > Regen would be my guess. > > On 1/31/2017 2:45 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote: > > it got fiber ran into it for remote dslam to provide customers vdsl2 along > that route. > > Tim > > -Original Message- > > From: "Carl Peterson" > To: af@afmug.com > Date: 01/31/17 03:28 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these > > Calix. I'd guess G.Fast > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 31, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Josh Corson wrote: > > Does anyone know what these are? They are popping up on fairly rural > areas of our coverage areas and on the state highways. > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > -- > > Carl Peterson > > *PORT NETWORKS* > > 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 > > Baltimore, MD 21202 > > (410) 637-3707 <%28410%29%20637-3707> > > > > > -- > Darin Steffl > Minnesota WiFi > www.mnwifi.com > 507-634-WiFi > <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook > <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> > > > > > -- > *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.* > Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 > forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com > <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian> <http://facebook.com/packetflux> > <http://twitter.com/@packetflux> > >
Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
VDSL with vectoring easy does 100Mbit/s. We see 40 over a km. Depends on the copper. On short hops we see up to 135x63. DSLAMs are cheaper than 450m. So where it is possible to use copper it is a good option. Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Chuck McCown Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. Februar 2017 15:21 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these We see up to 50 Mbps on Calix VDSL2 on the shorter loops. That case looks like it could be the v.fast box too. They have one that looks like that and they claim up to 200 Mbps on shorter loops for that technology. From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 10:34 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these One would suspect a calix e7-2 or e7-20 (2Tbps backplane, 100Gbps link to each line card). I don't think you can even feed those by anything short of at least a gig ethernet circuit. I never really tried on any of the E7-2s I've used in the past though :) On Jan 31, 2017 11:29 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > wrote: Out of curiosity, do you know how are they feeding these shelves? I know that in at least one case a couple of years ago, Qwest was feeding an entire neighborhood on I think 4 T1's. On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Darin Steffl mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> > wrote: Exactly. Calix VDSL2 Remote DSLAM. These are the result of CAF funding from Govt. to provide minimum 10/1 Mbps speeds to the census blocks they took funding for. If Centurylink had crappy or no DSL in these areas before, expect them to be able to offer somewhat functional to excellent DSL speeds to customers in range of these remote DSLAMs. For really close customers, they may see up to 40/1 Mbps speeds. On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Carl Peterson mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > wrote: As someone already said, its clearly and E3. https://www.calix.com/systems/e-series/e3-e5-dsl.html On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:18 PM, George Skorup mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com> > wrote: Regen would be my guess. On 1/31/2017 2:45 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote: it got fiber ran into it for remote dslam to provide customers vdsl2 along that route. Tim -Original Message- From: "Carl Peterson" mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Date: 01/31/17 03:28 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Calix. I'd guess G.Fast Sent from my iPhone On Jan 31, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Josh Corson mailto:j...@bluebitnetworks.com> > wrote: Does anyone know what these are? They are popping up on fairly rural areas of our coverage areas and on the state highways. Thanks -- Carl Peterson PORT NETWORKS 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com <http://www.mnwifi.com/> 507-634-WiFi <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> -- Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc. Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 forre...@imach.com <mailto:forre...@imach.com> | <http://www.packetflux.com/> http://www.packetflux.com <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian> <http://facebook.com/packetflux> <http://twitter.com/@packetflux> <http://ws-stats.appspot.com/t/pixel.png?e=setup_page_outlook_compose> <http://ws-stats.appspot.com/t/pixel.png?e=setup_page_outlook_active&uid=e965778f9a351fad7a8a860dffc144ce> <http://ws-stats.appspot.com/t/pixel.png?e=setup_page_outlook_active&uid=e965778f9a351fad7a8a860dffc144ce>
Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
On short loops, VDSL2 can go up to 200 - 300 megabit. v.fast and it's derivatives should be able to approach gig. That's short loops, though. MDU, individual city blocks, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 8:20:48 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these We see up to 50 Mbps on Calix VDSL2 on the shorter loops. That case looks like it could be the v.fast box too. They have one that looks like that and they claim up to 200 Mbps on shorter loops for that technology. From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 10:34 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these One would suspect a calix e7-2 or e7-20 (2Tbps backplane, 100Gbps link to each line card). I don't think you can even feed those by anything short of at least a gig ethernet circuit. I never really tried on any of the E7-2s I've used in the past though :) On Jan 31, 2017 11:29 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" < li...@packetflux.com > wrote: Out of curiosity, do you know how are they feeding these shelves? I know that in at least one case a couple of years ago, Qwest was feeding an entire neighborhood on I think 4 T1's. On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Darin Steffl < darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > wrote: Exactly. Calix VDSL2 Remote DSLAM. These are the result of CAF funding from Govt. to provide minimum 10/1 Mbps speeds to the census blocks they took funding for. If Centurylink had crappy or no DSL in these areas before, expect them to be able to offer somewhat functional to excellent DSL speeds to customers in range of these remote DSLAMs. For really close customers, they may see up to 40/1 Mbps speeds. On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Carl Peterson < cpeter...@portnetworks.com > wrote: As someone already said, its clearly and E3. https://www.calix.com/systems/e-series/e3-e5-dsl.html On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:18 PM, George Skorup < george.sko...@cbcast.com > wrote: Regen would be my guess. On 1/31/2017 2:45 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote: it got fiber ran into it for remote dslam to provide customers vdsl2 along that route. Tim -Original Message- From: "Carl Peterson" < cpeter...@portnetworks.com > To: af@afmug.com Date: 01/31/17 03:28 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Calix. I'd guess G.Fast Sent from my iPhone On Jan 31, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Josh Corson < j...@bluebitnetworks.com > wrote: Does anyone know what these are? They are popping up on fairly rural areas of our coverage areas and on the state highways. Thanks -- Carl Peterson PORT NETWORKS 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi Like us on Facebook -- Forrest Christian CEO , PacketFlux Technologies, Inc. Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
We see up to 50 Mbps on Calix VDSL2 on the shorter loops. That case looks like
it could be the v.fast box too. They have one that looks like that and they
claim up to 200 Mbps on shorter loops for that technology.
From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 10:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
One would suspect a calix e7-2 or e7-20 (2Tbps backplane, 100Gbps link to each
line card). I don't think you can even feed those by anything short of at least
a gig ethernet circuit. I never really tried on any of the E7-2s I've used in
the past though :)
On Jan 31, 2017 11:29 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)"
wrote:
Out of curiosity, do you know how are they feeding these shelves?
I know that in at least one case a couple of years ago, Qwest was feeding an
entire neighborhood on I think 4 T1's.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:
Exactly. Calix VDSL2 Remote DSLAM. These are the result of CAF funding from
Govt. to provide minimum 10/1 Mbps speeds to the census blocks they took
funding for.
If Centurylink had crappy or no DSL in these areas before, expect them to
be able to offer somewhat functional to excellent DSL speeds to customers in
range of these remote DSLAMs. For really close customers, they may see up to
40/1 Mbps speeds.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Carl Peterson
wrote:
As someone already said, its clearly and E3.
https://www.calix.com/systems/e-series/e3-e5-dsl.html
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:18 PM, George Skorup
wrote:
Regen would be my guess.
On 1/31/2017 2:45 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote:
it got fiber ran into it for remote dslam to provide customers vdsl2
along that route.
Tim
-Original Message-
From: "Carl Peterson"
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 01/31/17 03:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Calix. I'd guess G.Fast
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 31, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Josh Corson
wrote:
Does anyone know what these are? They are popping up on fairly
rural
areas of our coverage areas and on the state highways.
Thanks
--
Carl Peterson
PORT NETWORKS
401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
Baltimore, MD 21202
(410) 637-3707
--
Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
Like us on Facebook
--
Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Lipstick on a pig. The copper in still rotting in the ground and the only approved Centurylink fix appears to be the upgrade from black to orange trash bags. Except when those are out of stock. Centurylink will be back to the FCC shortly crying about how the need more support money to fix the plant. The only question is if they do it this year or next. Mark Radabaugh WISPA FCC Committee Chair fcc_ch...@wispa.org 419-261-5996 > On Feb 1, 2017, at 8:15 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > They couldn't before either, but they didn't give a shit. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > From: "Darin Steffl" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 11:49:50 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these > > These should all be fiber fed. Any new DSLAM's with CAF funding are very > likely fiber fed. They just can't support the bandwidth requirements with > only bonded T1's anymore. > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:34 PM, Josh Reynolds <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote: > One would suspect a calix e7-2 or e7-20 (2Tbps backplane, 100Gbps link to > each line card). I don't think you can even feed those by anything short of > at least a gig ethernet circuit. I never really tried on any of the E7-2s > I've used in the past though :) > > On Jan 31, 2017 11:29 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" > mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote: > Out of curiosity, do you know how are they feeding these shelves? > > I know that in at least one case a couple of years ago, Qwest was feeding an > entire neighborhood on I think 4 T1's. > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Darin Steffl <mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>> wrote: > Exactly. Calix VDSL2 Remote DSLAM. These are the result of CAF funding from > Govt. to provide minimum 10/1 Mbps speeds to the census blocks they took > funding for. > > If Centurylink had crappy or no DSL in these areas before, expect them to be > able to offer somewhat functional to excellent DSL speeds to customers in > range of these remote DSLAMs. For really close customers, they may see up to > 40/1 Mbps speeds. > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Carl Peterson <mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote: > As someone already said, its clearly and E3. > https://www.calix.com/systems/e-series/e3-e5-dsl.html > <https://www.calix.com/systems/e-series/e3-e5-dsl.html> > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:18 PM, George Skorup <mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>> wrote: > Regen would be my guess. > > On 1/31/2017 2:45 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote: > it got fiber ran into it for remote dslam to provide customers vdsl2 along > that route. > > Tim > > -Original Message- > From: "Carl Peterson" <mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > Date: 01/31/17 03:28 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these > > Calix. I'd guess G.Fast > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 31, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Josh Corson <mailto:j...@bluebitnetworks.com>> wrote: > > Does anyone know what these are? They are popping up on fairly rural > areas of our coverage areas and on the state highways. > > Thanks > > > > > > > > -- > Carl Peterson > PORT NETWORKS > 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 > Baltimore, MD 21202 > (410) 637-3707 > > > > -- > Darin Steffl > Minnesota WiFi > www.mnwifi.com <http://www.mnwifi.com/> > 507-634-WiFi > <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook > <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> > > > -- > Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc. > Tel: 406-449-3345 <> | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 > forre...@imach.com <mailto:forre...@imach.com> | http://www.packetflux.com > <http://www.packetflux.com/> > <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian> <http://facebook.com/packetflux> > <http://twitter.com/@packetflux> > > > > > -- > Darin Steffl > Minnesota WiFi > www.mnwifi.com <http://www.mnwifi.com/> > 507-634-WiFi > <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook > <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi>
Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
They couldn't before either, but they didn't give a shit. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Darin Steffl" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 11:49:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these These should all be fiber fed. Any new DSLAM's with CAF funding are very likely fiber fed. They just can't support the bandwidth requirements with only bonded T1's anymore. On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:34 PM, Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote: One would suspect a calix e7-2 or e7-20 (2Tbps backplane, 100Gbps link to each line card). I don't think you can even feed those by anything short of at least a gig ethernet circuit. I never really tried on any of the E7-2s I've used in the past though :) On Jan 31, 2017 11:29 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" < li...@packetflux.com > wrote: Out of curiosity, do you know how are they feeding these shelves? I know that in at least one case a couple of years ago, Qwest was feeding an entire neighborhood on I think 4 T1's. On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Darin Steffl < darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > wrote: Exactly. Calix VDSL2 Remote DSLAM. These are the result of CAF funding from Govt. to provide minimum 10/1 Mbps speeds to the census blocks they took funding for. If Centurylink had crappy or no DSL in these areas before, expect them to be able to offer somewhat functional to excellent DSL speeds to customers in range of these remote DSLAMs. For really close customers, they may see up to 40/1 Mbps speeds. On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Carl Peterson < cpeter...@portnetworks.com > wrote: As someone already said, its clearly and E3. https://www.calix.com/systems/e-series/e3-e5-dsl.html On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:18 PM, George Skorup < george.sko...@cbcast.com > wrote: Regen would be my guess. On 1/31/2017 2:45 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote: it got fiber ran into it for remote dslam to provide customers vdsl2 along that route. Tim -Original Message- From: "Carl Peterson" < cpeter...@portnetworks.com > To: af@afmug.com Date: 01/31/17 03:28 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Calix. I'd guess G.Fast Sent from my iPhone On Jan 31, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Josh Corson < j...@bluebitnetworks.com > wrote: Does anyone know what these are? They are popping up on fairly rural areas of our coverage areas and on the state highways. Thanks -- Carl Peterson PORT NETWORKS 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi Like us on Facebook -- Forrest Christian CEO , PacketFlux Technologies, Inc. Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi Like us on Facebook
Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
These should all be fiber fed. Any new DSLAM's with CAF funding are very likely fiber fed. They just can't support the bandwidth requirements with only bonded T1's anymore. On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:34 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > One would suspect a calix e7-2 or e7-20 (2Tbps backplane, 100Gbps link to > each line card). I don't think you can even feed those by anything short of > at least a gig ethernet circuit. I never really tried on any of the E7-2s > I've used in the past though :) > > On Jan 31, 2017 11:29 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" < > li...@packetflux.com> wrote: > >> Out of curiosity, do you know how are they feeding these shelves? >> >> I know that in at least one case a couple of years ago, Qwest was feeding >> an entire neighborhood on I think 4 T1's. >> >> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Darin Steffl >> wrote: >> >>> Exactly. Calix VDSL2 Remote DSLAM. These are the result of CAF funding >>> from Govt. to provide minimum 10/1 Mbps speeds to the census blocks they >>> took funding for. >>> >>> If Centurylink had crappy or no DSL in these areas before, expect them >>> to be able to offer somewhat functional to excellent DSL speeds to >>> customers in range of these remote DSLAMs. For really close customers, they >>> may see up to 40/1 Mbps speeds. >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Carl Peterson < >>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote: >>> >>>> As someone already said, its clearly and E3. >>>> https://www.calix.com/systems/e-series/e3-e5-dsl.html >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:18 PM, George Skorup < >>>> george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Regen would be my guess. >>>>> >>>>> On 1/31/2017 2:45 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> it got fiber ran into it for remote dslam to provide customers vdsl2 >>>>>> along that route. >>>>>> >>>>>> Tim >>>>>> >>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>> >>>>>>> From: "Carl Peterson" >>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>> Date: 01/31/17 03:28 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Calix. I'd guess G.Fast >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Josh Corson >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Does anyone know what these are? They are popping up on fairly rural >>>>>>>> areas of our coverage areas and on the state highways. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Carl Peterson >>>> >>>> *PORT NETWORKS* >>>> >>>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 >>>> >>>> Baltimore, MD 21202 >>>> >>>> (410) 637-3707 >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Darin Steffl >>> Minnesota WiFi >>> www.mnwifi.com >>> 507-634-WiFi >>> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook >>> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.* >> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 >> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com >> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian> >> <http://facebook.com/packetflux> <http://twitter.com/@packetflux> >> >> -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi>
Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
One would suspect a calix e7-2 or e7-20 (2Tbps backplane, 100Gbps link to each line card). I don't think you can even feed those by anything short of at least a gig ethernet circuit. I never really tried on any of the E7-2s I've used in the past though :) On Jan 31, 2017 11:29 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" < li...@packetflux.com> wrote: > Out of curiosity, do you know how are they feeding these shelves? > > I know that in at least one case a couple of years ago, Qwest was feeding > an entire neighborhood on I think 4 T1's. > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Darin Steffl > wrote: > >> Exactly. Calix VDSL2 Remote DSLAM. These are the result of CAF funding >> from Govt. to provide minimum 10/1 Mbps speeds to the census blocks they >> took funding for. >> >> If Centurylink had crappy or no DSL in these areas before, expect them to >> be able to offer somewhat functional to excellent DSL speeds to customers >> in range of these remote DSLAMs. For really close customers, they may see >> up to 40/1 Mbps speeds. >> >> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Carl Peterson < >> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote: >> >>> As someone already said, its clearly and E3. >>> https://www.calix.com/systems/e-series/e3-e5-dsl.html >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:18 PM, George Skorup >> > wrote: >>> >>>> Regen would be my guess. >>>> >>>> On 1/31/2017 2:45 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote: >>>> >>>>> it got fiber ran into it for remote dslam to provide customers vdsl2 >>>>> along that route. >>>>> >>>>> Tim >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> >>>>>> From: "Carl Peterson" >>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>> Date: 01/31/17 03:28 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these >>>>>> >>>>>> Calix. I'd guess G.Fast >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 31, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Josh Corson >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Does anyone know what these are? They are popping up on fairly rural >>>>>>> areas of our coverage areas and on the state highways. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Carl Peterson >>> >>> *PORT NETWORKS* >>> >>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 >>> >>> Baltimore, MD 21202 >>> >>> (410) 637-3707 >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Darin Steffl >> Minnesota WiFi >> www.mnwifi.com >> 507-634-WiFi >> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook >> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> >> > > > > -- > *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.* > Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 > forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com > <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian> <http://facebook.com/packetflux> > <http://twitter.com/@packetflux> > >
Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Out of curiosity, do you know how are they feeding these shelves? I know that in at least one case a couple of years ago, Qwest was feeding an entire neighborhood on I think 4 T1's. On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Darin Steffl wrote: > Exactly. Calix VDSL2 Remote DSLAM. These are the result of CAF funding > from Govt. to provide minimum 10/1 Mbps speeds to the census blocks they > took funding for. > > If Centurylink had crappy or no DSL in these areas before, expect them to > be able to offer somewhat functional to excellent DSL speeds to customers > in range of these remote DSLAMs. For really close customers, they may see > up to 40/1 Mbps speeds. > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Carl Peterson > wrote: > >> As someone already said, its clearly and E3. >> https://www.calix.com/systems/e-series/e3-e5-dsl.html >> >> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:18 PM, George Skorup >> wrote: >> >>> Regen would be my guess. >>> >>> On 1/31/2017 2:45 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote: >>> >>>> it got fiber ran into it for remote dslam to provide customers vdsl2 >>>> along that route. >>>> >>>> Tim >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> >>>>> From: "Carl Peterson" >>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>> Date: 01/31/17 03:28 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these >>>>> >>>>> Calix. I'd guess G.Fast >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 31, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Josh Corson >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Does anyone know what these are? They are popping up on fairly rural >>>>>> areas of our coverage areas and on the state highways. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> Carl Peterson >> >> *PORT NETWORKS* >> >> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 >> >> Baltimore, MD 21202 >> >> (410) 637-3707 >> > > > > -- > Darin Steffl > Minnesota WiFi > www.mnwifi.com > 507-634-WiFi > <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook > <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> > -- *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.* Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian> <http://facebook.com/packetflux> <http://twitter.com/@packetflux>
Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Exactly. Calix VDSL2 Remote DSLAM. These are the result of CAF funding from Govt. to provide minimum 10/1 Mbps speeds to the census blocks they took funding for. If Centurylink had crappy or no DSL in these areas before, expect them to be able to offer somewhat functional to excellent DSL speeds to customers in range of these remote DSLAMs. For really close customers, they may see up to 40/1 Mbps speeds. On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Carl Peterson wrote: > As someone already said, its clearly and E3. https://www.calix.com/ > systems/e-series/e3-e5-dsl.html > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:18 PM, George Skorup > wrote: > >> Regen would be my guess. >> >> On 1/31/2017 2:45 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote: >> >>> it got fiber ran into it for remote dslam to provide customers vdsl2 >>> along that route. >>> >>> Tim >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> >>>> From: "Carl Peterson" >>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>> Date: 01/31/17 03:28 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these >>>> >>>> Calix. I'd guess G.Fast >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Jan 31, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Josh Corson >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone know what these are? They are popping up on fairly rural >>>>> areas of our coverage areas and on the state highways. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > > > -- > > Carl Peterson > > *PORT NETWORKS* > > 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 > > Baltimore, MD 21202 > > (410) 637-3707 > -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi>
Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
As someone already said, its clearly and E3. https://www.calix.com/systems/e-series/e3-e5-dsl.html On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:18 PM, George Skorup wrote: > Regen would be my guess. > > On 1/31/2017 2:45 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote: > >> it got fiber ran into it for remote dslam to provide customers vdsl2 >> along that route. >> >> Tim >> >> -Original Message- >> >>> From: "Carl Peterson" >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Date: 01/31/17 03:28 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these >>> >>> Calix. I'd guess G.Fast >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Jan 31, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Josh Corson >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Does anyone know what these are? They are popping up on fairly rural >>>> areas of our coverage areas and on the state highways. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> > -- Carl Peterson *PORT NETWORKS* 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707
Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Regen would be my guess. On 1/31/2017 2:45 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote: it got fiber ran into it for remote dslam to provide customers vdsl2 along that route. Tim -Original Message- From: "Carl Peterson" To: af@afmug.com Date: 01/31/17 03:28 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Calix. I'd guess G.Fast Sent from my iPhone On Jan 31, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Josh Corson wrote: Does anyone know what these are? They are popping up on fairly rural areas of our coverage areas and on the state highways. Thanks
Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
it got fiber ran into it for remote dslam to provide customers vdsl2 along that route. Tim -Original Message- > From: "Carl Peterson" > To: af@afmug.com > Date: 01/31/17 03:28 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these > > Calix. I'd guess G.Fast > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 31, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Josh Corson wrote: > > > > Does anyone know what these are? They are popping up on fairly rural > > areas of our coverage areas and on the state highways. > > > > Thanks > > > >
Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Calix. I'd guess G.Fast Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 31, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Josh Corson wrote: > > Does anyone know what these are? They are popping up on fairly rural > areas of our coverage areas and on the state highways. > > Thanks > >
Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Calix E3 DSL On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Josh Corson wrote: > Does anyone know what these are? They are popping up on fairly rural > areas of our coverage areas and on the state highways. > > Thanks >
