Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[Adam Moffett]

Maybe I'll get 4 pieces of sheet metal and make my own "hi perf" shroud.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 3:11:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Panels have pretty good F/B ratio but yes, an RF armor type of thing 
would knock off some side lobes.



From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:10 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Since the goal in this case isn't more gain, but narrower pattern, what 
about an "RF Armor" type of thing?



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 3:08:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Yeah, but you have a fairly electrically large panel as a feed, so you 
would need a reflector 10 feet in diameter to properly illuminate it.


From:Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:05 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Would a Cassegrain work? Probably not cost effective though...


On Sep 30, 2016 1:58 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Not sure there is anyone stopping it.  Kinda hard to patent tower 
mounting hardware.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:51 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Or were you serious?  If I have access to machine tools can I make 
licensed knockoffs of M-TOW?



-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 2:50:14 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE


Write it with a crayon on the back of your Burger King napkin.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 2:49:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE


I will sell you a license today!

From:That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:31 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can 
eliminate the hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from 
the website and install your mtow


On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for 
one-offs.



-- Original Message ------
From: "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com>
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, 
we needed a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill 
the antennas faster than a weep hole could drain it. I found that 
3M made some heat shrink tubing that just fit over the size of 
tubing I was using. After heat shrinking the stick, we would dip 
the ends in "plastidip". Never had a leak. I wonder if you just 
needed to hand make a couple dipole or patch array antennas, if 
dipping them in plastidip wouldn't be a decent option. Obviously 
it would be labor and time intensive for production, but for a 
couple one-offs, why not?


On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more 
difficult and expensive.  Tooling alone for a new antenna case 
is easily $10K+.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax 
CPE


Yup.  They have an array of metal circles on a board connected 
to each other by traces.


What about a cheaper external antenna?  The price to beat is 
$120.




-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax 
CPE


Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to couple 
to with any efficiency.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax 
CPE


Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax 
CPE



What does the CPE look like?

From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
To:Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order 
to reduce interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I 
want to tune 

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[chuck]

Panels have pretty good F/B ratio but yes, an RF armor type of thing would 
knock off some side lobes.  


From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Since the goal in this case isn't more gain, but narrower pattern, what about 
an "RF Armor" type of thing?


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 3:08:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  Yeah, but you have a fairly electrically large panel as a feed, so you would 
need a reflector 10 feet in diameter to properly illuminate it.  

  From: Josh Reynolds 
  Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:05 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  Would a Cassegrain work? Probably not cost effective though...


  On Sep 30, 2016 1:58 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Not sure there is anyone stopping it.  Kinda hard to patent tower mounting 
hardware.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:51 PM
    To: af@afmug.com 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Or were you serious?  If I have access to machine tools can I make licensed 
knockoffs of M-TOW? 


-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
    To: af@afmug.com
    Sent: 9/30/2016 2:50:14 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  Write it with a crayon on the back of your Burger King napkin.


  -- Original Message --
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
      To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 9/30/2016 2:49:34 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

I will sell you a license today!

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
        Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:31 PM
    To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can 
eliminate the hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from the website 
and install your mtow

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

  Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for 
one-offs.


  -- Original Message --
  From: "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com>
  To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
  Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we 
needed a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the antennas faster 
than a weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M made some heat shrink tubing 
that just fit over the size of tubing I was using. After heat shrinking the 
stick, we would dip the ends in "plastidip". Never had a leak. I wonder if you 
just needed to hand make a couple dipole or patch array antennas, if dipping 
them in plastidip wouldn't be a decent option. Obviously it would be labor and 
time intensive for production, but for a couple one-offs, why not?

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more 
difficult and expensive.  Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+. 
  

      From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  Yup.  They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to 
each other by traces.

  What about a cheaper external antenna?  The price to beat is $120.



          -- Original Message --
      From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to couple 
to with any efficiency.  

        From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax 
CPE

Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.



        ------ Original Message --
        From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like"

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[Adam Moffett]

Since the goal in this case isn't more gain, but narrower pattern, what 
about an "RF Armor" type of thing?



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 3:08:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Yeah, but you have a fairly electrically large panel as a feed, so you 
would need a reflector 10 feet in diameter to properly illuminate it.


From:Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:05 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Would a Cassegrain work? Probably not cost effective though...


On Sep 30, 2016 1:58 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Not sure there is anyone stopping it.  Kinda hard to patent tower 
mounting hardware.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:51 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Or were you serious?  If I have access to machine tools can I make 
licensed knockoffs of M-TOW?



-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 2:50:14 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE


Write it with a crayon on the back of your Burger King napkin.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 2:49:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE


I will sell you a license today!

From:That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:31 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can 
eliminate the hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from 
the website and install your mtow


On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for 
one-offs.



-- Original Message --
From: "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com>
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we 
needed a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the 
antennas faster than a weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M 
made some heat shrink tubing that just fit over the size of tubing 
I was using. After heat shrinking the stick, we would dip the ends 
in "plastidip". Never had a leak. I wonder if you just needed to 
hand make a couple dipole or patch array antennas, if dipping them 
in plastidip wouldn't be a decent option. Obviously it would be 
labor and time intensive for production, but for a couple 
one-offs, why not?


On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more 
difficult and expensive.  Tooling alone for a new antenna case is 
easily $10K+.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax 
CPE


Yup.  They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to 
each other by traces.


What about a cheaper external antenna?  The price to beat is 
$120.




-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax 
CPE


Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to couple 
to with any efficiency.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax 
CPE


Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax 
CPE



What does the CPE look like?

From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
To:Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to 
reduce interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want 
to tune out interference from other base stations and thereby 
improve CINR.


Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with 
coax jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower pattern 
than the integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, 
plus the cost of the coax jumpers and the labor to seal them.


I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right 
now.  If I could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it 
like white on rice.  I'd also just settle for a cheaper 
external antenna.


Any brilliant ideas?







--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the 
team.

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[chuck]

Yeah, but you have a fairly electrically large panel as a feed, so you would 
need a reflector 10 feet in diameter to properly illuminate it.  

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Would a Cassegrain work? Probably not cost effective though...


On Sep 30, 2016 1:58 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Not sure there is anyone stopping it.  Kinda hard to patent tower mounting 
hardware.  

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:51 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  Or were you serious?  If I have access to machine tools can I make licensed 
knockoffs of M-TOW? 


  -- Original Message --
  From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 9/30/2016 2:50:14 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Write it with a crayon on the back of your Burger King napkin.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
    Sent: 9/30/2016 2:49:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  I will sell you a license today!

  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
  Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:31 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can 
eliminate the hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from the website 
and install your mtow

  On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for one-offs.


-- Original Message --
From: "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com>
        To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we 
needed a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the antennas faster 
than a weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M made some heat shrink tubing 
that just fit over the size of tubing I was using. After heat shrinking the 
stick, we would dip the ends in "plastidip". Never had a leak. I wonder if you 
just needed to hand make a couple dipole or patch array antennas, if dipping 
them in plastidip wouldn't be a decent option. Obviously it would be labor and 
time intensive for production, but for a couple one-offs, why not?

  On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more 
difficult and expensive.  Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+. 
  

        From: Adam Moffett 
        Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Yup.  They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to 
each other by traces.

What about a cheaper external antenna?  The price to beat is $120.



-- Original Message ------
    From: ch...@wbmfg.com
    To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to couple to 
with any efficiency.  

      From: Adam Moffett 
          Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
  a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.



  ------ Original Message --
      From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
  Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

What does the CPE look like?

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to 
reduce interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out 
interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR.

Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with 
coax jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated 
panel is $120-$

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[chuck]

Sand casting.  I can copy stuff in half hour if the draft angles are correct.  
Been going on for centuries.  
Our whole industrial revolution was all done with hand made wooden patterns.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

You can almost do that now. I saw a demo at the Maker Fair last year that was 
pretty much a 3D printer take-off on the lost wax method. You print the shape 
(aka model) with a special plastic. Then encase the model in a breakable mold. 
Then heat the mold to evaporate the model, then fill the mold with the metal of 
your choice. Break the mold, and viola; a hard metal one-off.



bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 9/30/2016 11:31 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

  i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can eliminate 
the hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from the website and 
install your mtow

  On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for one-offs.


-- Original Message --
From: "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com>
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
    Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we needed 
a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the antennas faster than a 
weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M made some heat shrink tubing that 
just fit over the size of tubing I was using. After heat shrinking the stick, 
we would dip the ends in "plastidip". Never had a leak. I wonder if you just 
needed to hand make a couple dipole or patch array antennas, if dipping them in 
plastidip wouldn't be a decent option. Obviously it would be labor and time 
intensive for production, but for a couple one-offs, why not?

  On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more difficult 
and expensive.  Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+.   

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM
    To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Yup.  They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to each 
other by traces.

What about a cheaper external antenna?  The price to beat is $120.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
    To: af@afmug.com
    Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to couple to 
with any efficiency.  

  From: Adam Moffett 
      Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
      To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
  a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.



  -- Original Message --
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
      To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
  Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

What does the CPE look like?

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to 
reduce interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out 
interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR.

Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with 
coax jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated 
panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers and 
the labor to seal them.

I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now.  
If I could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice.  
I'd also just settle for a cheaper external antenna.

Any brilliant ideas?






  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[chuck]

Nothing magic about our designs, we have good test data but most importantly we 
do a very heavy duty hot dip galvanization.  They ought to last forever.  

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

you should do that, sell the license to the design on a per unit basis at your 
profit margin without production cost. I would bet people would be pretty 
honest, the ones who wouldnt already bought one mtow and took it to a fabricator

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:58 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Not sure there is anyone stopping it.  Kinda hard to patent tower mounting 
hardware.  

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:51 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  Or were you serious?  If I have access to machine tools can I make licensed 
knockoffs of M-TOW? 


  -- Original Message --
  From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 9/30/2016 2:50:14 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Write it with a crayon on the back of your Burger King napkin.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
    Sent: 9/30/2016 2:49:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  I will sell you a license today!

  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
  Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:31 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can 
eliminate the hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from the website 
and install your mtow

  On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for one-offs.


-- Original Message --
From: "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com>
        To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we 
needed a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the antennas faster 
than a weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M made some heat shrink tubing 
that just fit over the size of tubing I was using. After heat shrinking the 
stick, we would dip the ends in "plastidip". Never had a leak. I wonder if you 
just needed to hand make a couple dipole or patch array antennas, if dipping 
them in plastidip wouldn't be a decent option. Obviously it would be labor and 
time intensive for production, but for a couple one-offs, why not?

  On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more 
difficult and expensive.  Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+. 
  

        From: Adam Moffett 
        Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Yup.  They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to 
each other by traces.

What about a cheaper external antenna?  The price to beat is $120.



-- Original Message ------
    From: ch...@wbmfg.com
    To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to couple to 
with any efficiency.  

      From: Adam Moffett 
          Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
  a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.



  ------ Original Message --
      From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
  Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

What does the CPE look like?

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to 
reduce interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out 
interference from other base stations and

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[Josh Reynolds]

Would a Cassegrain work? Probably not cost effective though...

On Sep 30, 2016 1:58 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Not sure there is anyone stopping it.  Kinda hard to patent tower mounting
> hardware.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 12:51 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>
> Or were you serious?  If I have access to machine tools can I make
> licensed knockoffs of M-TOW?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 9/30/2016 2:50:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>
>
> Write it with a crayon on the back of your Burger King napkin.
>
>
> ------ Original Message --
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 9/30/2016 2:49:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>
>
> I will sell you a license today!
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 12:31 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>
> i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can
> eliminate the hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from the
> website and install your mtow
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for one-offs.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com>
>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>> Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>>
>>
>> When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we needed
>> a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the antennas faster
>> than a weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M made some heat shrink
>> tubing that just fit over the size of tubing I was using. After heat
>> shrinking the stick, we would dip the ends in "plastidip". Never had a
>> leak. I wonder if you just needed to hand make a couple dipole or patch
>> array antennas, if dipping them in plastidip wouldn't be a decent option.
>> Obviously it would be labor and time intensive for production, but for a
>> couple one-offs, why not?
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more difficult
>>> and expensive.  Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+.
>>>
>>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>>>
>>> Yup.  They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to each
>>> other by traces.
>>>
>>> What about a cheaper external antenna?  The price to beat is $120.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to couple to with
>>> any efficiency.
>>>
>>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>>>
>>> Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
>>> a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
>>> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>>>
>>>
>>> What does the CPE look like?
>>>
>>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
>>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>>>
>>> I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce
>>> interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out
>>> interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR.
>>>
>>> Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax
>>> jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated
>>> panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers
>>> and the labor to seal them.
>>>
>>> I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now.  If I
>>> could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice.  I'd
>>> also just settle for a cheaper external antenna.
>>>
>>> Any brilliant ideas?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[Bill Prince]

You can almost do that now. I saw a demo at the Maker Fair last year 
that was pretty much a 3D printer take-off on the lost wax method. You 
print the shape (aka model) with a special plastic. Then encase the 
model in a breakable mold. Then heat the mold to evaporate the model, 
then fill the mold with the metal of your choice. Break the mold, and 
viola; a hard metal one-off.



bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 9/30/2016 11:31 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can 
eliminate the hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from the 
website and install your mtow


On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com 
<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for
one-offs.
-- Original Message --
From: "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com <mailto:cc...@wispmon.com>>
To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com
<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network,
we needed a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill
the antennas faster than a weep hole could drain it. I found that
3M made some heat shrink tubing that just fit over the size of
tubing I was using. After heat shrinking the stick, we would dip
the ends in "plastidip". Never had a leak. I wonder if you just
needed to hand make a couple dipole or patch array antennas, if
dipping them in plastidip wouldn't be a decent option. Obviously
it would be labor and time intensive for production, but for a
couple one-offs, why not?

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more
difficult and expensive.  Tooling alone for a new antenna
case is easily $10K+.
*From:* Adam Moffett
    *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM
    *To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for
Wimax CPE
Yup.  They have an array of metal circles on a board
connected to each other by traces.
What about a cheaper external antenna?  The price to beat is
$120.
-- Original Message --
    From: ch...@wbmfg.com
    To: af@afmug.com
    Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for
Wimax CPE

Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to
couple to with any efficiency.
    *From:* Adam Moffett
    *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for
Wimax CPE
Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.
-- Original Message ------
    From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for
Wimax CPE

What does the CPE look like?
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for
Wimax CPE
I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in
order to reduce interference. Higher gain is a bonus, but
mostly I want to tune out interference from other base
stations and thereby improve CINR.
Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on
with coax jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower
pattern than the integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP
Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers and the
labor to seal them.
I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right
now.  If I could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over
it like white on rice.  I'd also just settle for a cheaper
external antenna.
Any brilliant ideas?







--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

you should do that, sell the license to the design on a per unit basis at
your profit margin without production cost. I would bet people would be
pretty honest, the ones who wouldnt already bought one mtow and took it to
a fabricator

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:58 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Not sure there is anyone stopping it.  Kinda hard to patent tower mounting
> hardware.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 12:51 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>
> Or were you serious?  If I have access to machine tools can I make
> licensed knockoffs of M-TOW?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 9/30/2016 2:50:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>
>
> Write it with a crayon on the back of your Burger King napkin.
>
>
> ------ Original Message --
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 9/30/2016 2:49:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>
>
> I will sell you a license today!
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 12:31 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>
> i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can
> eliminate the hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from the
> website and install your mtow
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for one-offs.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com>
>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>> Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>>
>>
>> When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we needed
>> a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the antennas faster
>> than a weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M made some heat shrink
>> tubing that just fit over the size of tubing I was using. After heat
>> shrinking the stick, we would dip the ends in "plastidip". Never had a
>> leak. I wonder if you just needed to hand make a couple dipole or patch
>> array antennas, if dipping them in plastidip wouldn't be a decent option.
>> Obviously it would be labor and time intensive for production, but for a
>> couple one-offs, why not?
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more difficult
>>> and expensive.  Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+.
>>>
>>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>>>
>>> Yup.  They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to each
>>> other by traces.
>>>
>>> What about a cheaper external antenna?  The price to beat is $120.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to couple to with
>>> any efficiency.
>>>
>>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>>>
>>> Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
>>> a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
>>> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>>>
>>>
>>> What does the CPE look like?
>>>
>>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
>>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>>>
>>> I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in 

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[chuck]

Not sure there is anyone stopping it.  Kinda hard to patent tower mounting 
hardware.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Or were you serious?  If I have access to machine tools can I make licensed 
knockoffs of M-TOW? 


-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 2:50:14 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  Write it with a crayon on the back of your Burger King napkin.


  -- Original Message --
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 9/30/2016 2:49:34 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

I will sell you a license today!

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:31 PM
    To: af@afmug.com 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can eliminate 
the hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from the website and 
install your mtow

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

  Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for one-offs.


  -- Original Message --
  From: "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com>
  To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
  Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we 
needed a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the antennas faster 
than a weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M made some heat shrink tubing 
that just fit over the size of tubing I was using. After heat shrinking the 
stick, we would dip the ends in "plastidip". Never had a leak. I wonder if you 
just needed to hand make a couple dipole or patch array antennas, if dipping 
them in plastidip wouldn't be a decent option. Obviously it would be labor and 
time intensive for production, but for a couple one-offs, why not?

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more 
difficult and expensive.  Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+. 
  

  From: Adam Moffett 
      Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  Yup.  They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to 
each other by traces.

  What about a cheaper external antenna?  The price to beat is $120.



  -- Original Message ------
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
      To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to couple to 
with any efficiency.  

        From: Adam Moffett 
    Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.



-- Original Message --
        From: ch...@wbmfg.com
    To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  What does the CPE look like?

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to 
reduce interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out 
interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR.

  Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with 
coax jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated 
panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers and 
the labor to seal them.

  I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now.  
If I could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice.  
I'd also just settle for a cheaper external antenna.

  Any brilliant ideas?






-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[Adam Moffett]

Or were you serious?  If I have access to machine tools can I make 
licensed knockoffs of M-TOW?



-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 2:50:14 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE


Write it with a crayon on the back of your Burger King napkin.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 2:49:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE


I will sell you a license today!

From:That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:31 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can 
eliminate the hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from the 
website and install your mtow


On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for 
one-offs.



-- Original Message --
From: "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com>
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we 
needed a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the 
antennas faster than a weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M 
made some heat shrink tubing that just fit over the size of tubing I 
was using. After heat shrinking the stick, we would dip the ends in 
"plastidip". Never had a leak. I wonder if you just needed to hand 
make a couple dipole or patch array antennas, if dipping them in 
plastidip wouldn't be a decent option. Obviously it would be labor 
and time intensive for production, but for a couple one-offs, why 
not?


On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more 
difficult and expensive.  Tooling alone for a new antenna case is 
easily $10K+.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Yup.  They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to 
each other by traces.


What about a cheaper external antenna?  The price to beat is $120.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to couple to 
with any efficiency.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.


------ Original Message ------
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE


What does the CPE look like?

From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
To:Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to 
reduce interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want 
to tune out interference from other base stations and thereby 
improve CINR.


Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with 
coax jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than 
the integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the 
cost of the coax jumpers and the labor to seal them.


I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now.  
If I could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like 
white on rice.  I'd also just settle for a cheaper external 
antenna.


Any brilliant ideas?







--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[Adam Moffett]

Write it with a crayon on the back of your Burger King napkin.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 2:49:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE


I will sell you a license today!

From:That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:31 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can 
eliminate the hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from the 
website and install your mtow


On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for 
one-offs.



-- Original Message --
From: "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com>
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we 
needed a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the 
antennas faster than a weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M made 
some heat shrink tubing that just fit over the size of tubing I was 
using. After heat shrinking the stick, we would dip the ends in 
"plastidip". Never had a leak. I wonder if you just needed to hand 
make a couple dipole or patch array antennas, if dipping them in 
plastidip wouldn't be a decent option. Obviously it would be labor 
and time intensive for production, but for a couple one-offs, why 
not?


On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more 
difficult and expensive.  Tooling alone for a new antenna case is 
easily $10K+.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Yup.  They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to 
each other by traces.


What about a cheaper external antenna?  The price to beat is $120.



-- Original Message ------
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to couple to 
with any efficiency.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.


------ Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE


What does the CPE look like?

From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
To:Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to 
reduce interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to 
tune out interference from other base stations and thereby improve 
CINR.


Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with 
coax jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than 
the integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the 
cost of the coax jumpers and the labor to seal them.


I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now.  
If I could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white 
on rice.  I'd also just settle for a cheaper external antenna.


Any brilliant ideas?







--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[chuck]

I will sell you a license today!

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 12:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can eliminate the 
hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from the website and install 
your mtow

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

  Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for one-offs.


  -- Original Message --
  From: "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com>
  To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
  Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we needed a 
way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the antennas faster than a 
weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M made some heat shrink tubing that 
just fit over the size of tubing I was using. After heat shrinking the stick, 
we would dip the ends in "plastidip". Never had a leak. I wonder if you just 
needed to hand make a couple dipole or patch array antennas, if dipping them in 
plastidip wouldn't be a decent option. Obviously it would be labor and time 
intensive for production, but for a couple one-offs, why not?

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more difficult 
and expensive.  Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+.   

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  Yup.  They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to each 
other by traces.

  What about a cheaper external antenna?  The price to beat is $120.



  -- Original Message --
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to couple to with 
any efficiency.  

From: Adam Moffett 
    Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
        To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
    To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  What does the CPE look like?

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to 
reduce interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out 
interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR.

  Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax 
jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated 
panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers and 
the labor to seal them.

  I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now.  If 
I could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice.  I'd 
also just settle for a cheaper external antenna.

  Any brilliant ideas?






-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[Adam Moffett]

It needs to replicate something that tastes like ice cream but has the 
nutritional value of salad.




-- Original Message --
From: "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 2:33:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Listened to a Freakonomics podcast this morning (about moving toward a 
"cashless society"). Part of it they talked about the 24th century 
where you could get anything you wanted out of the replicator.


I want plain tomato soup, hot.



bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 9/30/2016 11:31 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can 
eliminate the hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from the 
website and install your mtow


On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for 
one-offs.



-- Original Message --
From: "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com>
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we 
needed a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the 
antennas faster than a weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M 
made some heat shrink tubing that just fit over the size of tubing I 
was using. After heat shrinking the stick, we would dip the ends in 
"plastidip". Never had a leak. I wonder if you just needed to hand 
make a couple dipole or patch array antennas, if dipping them in 
plastidip wouldn't be a decent option. Obviously it would be labor 
and time intensive for production, but for a couple one-offs, why 
not?


On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more 
difficult and expensive.  Tooling alone for a new antenna case is 
easily $10K+.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Yup.  They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to 
each other by traces.


What about a cheaper external antenna?  The price to beat is $120.



------ Original Message ------
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to couple to 
with any efficiency.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE


What does the CPE look like?

From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
To:Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to 
reduce interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want 
to tune out interference from other base stations and thereby 
improve CINR.


Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with 
coax jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than 
the integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the 
cost of the coax jumpers and the labor to seal them.


I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now.  
If I could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like 
white on rice.  I'd also just settle for a cheaper external 
antenna.


Any brilliant ideas?







--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[Bill Prince]

Listened to a Freakonomics podcast this morning (about moving toward a 
"cashless society"). Part of it they talked about the 24th century where 
you could get anything you wanted out of the replicator.


I want plain tomato soup, hot.


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 9/30/2016 11:31 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can 
eliminate the hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from the 
website and install your mtow


On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com 
<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for
one-offs.
-- Original Message --
From: "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com <mailto:cc...@wispmon.com>>
To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com
    <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
    Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network,
we needed a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill
the antennas faster than a weep hole could drain it. I found that
3M made some heat shrink tubing that just fit over the size of
tubing I was using. After heat shrinking the stick, we would dip
the ends in "plastidip". Never had a leak. I wonder if you just
needed to hand make a couple dipole or patch array antennas, if
dipping them in plastidip wouldn't be a decent option. Obviously
it would be labor and time intensive for production, but for a
couple one-offs, why not?

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more
difficult and expensive.  Tooling alone for a new antenna
case is easily $10K+.
*From:* Adam Moffett
    *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM
    *To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for
Wimax CPE
Yup.  They have an array of metal circles on a board
connected to each other by traces.
What about a cheaper external antenna?  The price to beat is
$120.
-- Original Message --
    From: ch...@wbmfg.com
    To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for
Wimax CPE

Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to
couple to with any efficiency.
    *From:* Adam Moffett
    *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for
Wimax CPE
Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.
-- Original Message ------
    From: ch...@wbmfg.com
    To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for
Wimax CPE

What does the CPE look like?
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for
Wimax CPE
I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in
order to reduce interference. Higher gain is a bonus, but
mostly I want to tune out interference from other base
stations and thereby improve CINR.
Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on
with coax jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower
pattern than the integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP
Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers and the
labor to seal them.
I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right
now.  If I could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over
it like white on rice.  I'd also just settle for a cheaper
external antenna.
Any brilliant ideas?







--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

i cant wait til 3d printers do galavanized steel. mccown tech can eliminate
the hateful vendors, just purchase a 3 unit license from the website and
install your mtow

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for one-offs.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com>
> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>
>
> When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we needed
> a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the antennas faster
> than a weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M made some heat shrink
> tubing that just fit over the size of tubing I was using. After heat
> shrinking the stick, we would dip the ends in "plastidip". Never had a
> leak. I wonder if you just needed to hand make a couple dipole or patch
> array antennas, if dipping them in plastidip wouldn't be a decent option.
> Obviously it would be labor and time intensive for production, but for a
> couple one-offs, why not?
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more difficult
>> and expensive.  Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+.
>>
>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>>
>> Yup.  They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to each
>> other by traces.
>>
>> What about a cheaper external antenna?  The price to beat is $120.
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>>
>>
>> Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to couple to with
>> any efficiency.
>>
>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>>
>> Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
>> a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
>> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>>
>>
>> What does the CPE look like?
>>
>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>>
>> I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce
>> interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out
>> interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR.
>>
>> Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax
>> jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated
>> panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers
>> and the labor to seal them.
>>
>> I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now.  If I
>> could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice.  I'd
>> also just settle for a cheaper external antenna.
>>
>> Any brilliant ideas?
>>
>>
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[Adam Moffett]

Sounds like 3D printing is the direction people are going for one-offs.


-- Original Message --
From: "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com>
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 9/30/2016 2:02:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we 
needed a way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the 
antennas faster than a weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M made 
some heat shrink tubing that just fit over the size of tubing I was 
using. After heat shrinking the stick, we would dip the ends in 
"plastidip". Never had a leak. I wonder if you just needed to hand make 
a couple dipole or patch array antennas, if dipping them in plastidip 
wouldn't be a decent option. Obviously it would be labor and time 
intensive for production, but for a couple one-offs, why not?


On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more difficult 
and expensive.  Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Yup.  They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to each 
other by traces.


What about a cheaper external antenna?  The price to beat is $120.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to couple to 
with any efficiency.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.


-- Original Message ------
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE


What does the CPE look like?

From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
To:Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to 
reduce interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to 
tune out interference from other base stations and thereby improve 
CINR.


Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax 
jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the 
integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of 
the coax jumpers and the labor to seal them.


I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now.  If 
I could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on 
rice.  I'd also just settle for a cheaper external antenna.


Any brilliant ideas?

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[Cameron Crum]

When I was building slotted waveguide antennas for our network, we needed a
way to seal up the slots so the rain wouldn't fill the antennas faster than
a weep hole could drain it. I found that 3M made some heat shrink tubing
that just fit over the size of tubing I was using. After heat shrinking the
stick, we would dip the ends in "plastidip". Never had a leak. I wonder if
you just needed to hand make a couple dipole or patch array antennas, if
dipping them in plastidip wouldn't be a decent option. Obviously it would
be labor and time intensive for production, but for a couple one-offs, why
not?

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:42 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more difficult and
> expensive.  Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>
> Yup.  They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to each
> other by traces.
>
> What about a cheaper external antenna?  The price to beat is $120.
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>
>
> Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to couple to with any
> efficiency.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>
> Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
> a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.
>
>
> -- Original Message ------
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>
>
> What does the CPE look like?
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>
> I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce
> interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out
> interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR.
>
> Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax
> jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated
> panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers
> and the labor to seal them.
>
> I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now.  If I
> could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice.  I'd
> also just settle for a cheaper external antenna.
>
> Any brilliant ideas?
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[Adam Moffett]

Yup.  There are even knockouts on the housing where the N connectors go. 
 The issue is antennas better than the built-in one are all pretty 
expensive.
In 5.8 I'd have probably a hundred options.  So maybe more accurate to 
say "I hate 3.65".



-- Original Message --
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 9/30/2016 1:12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

the cambium 320 cpes just have sma inside, probably the same on the 
telrads. when we were looking at external that was an option ala drill 
bit


On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

I hate Wimax.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:41:59 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more 
difficult and expensive.  Tooling alone for a new antenna case is 
easily $10K+.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Yup.  They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to 
each other by traces.


What about a cheaper external antenna?  The price to beat is $120.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to couple to 
with any efficiency.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.


-- Original Message ------
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE


What does the CPE look like?

From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
To:Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to 
reduce interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to 
tune out interference from other base stations and thereby improve 
CINR.


Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with 
coax jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than 
the integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the 
cost of the coax jumpers and the labor to seal them.


I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now.  
If I could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white 
on rice.  I'd also just settle for a cheaper external antenna.


Any brilliant ideas?





--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

the cambium 320 cpes just have sma inside, probably the same on the
telrads. when we were looking at external that was an option ala drill bit

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I hate Wimax.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:41:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>
>
> The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more difficult and
> expensive.  Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>
> Yup.  They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to each
> other by traces.
>
> What about a cheaper external antenna?  The price to beat is $120.
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>
>
> Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to couple to with any
> efficiency.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>
> Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
> a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
> Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>
>
> What does the CPE look like?
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE
>
> I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce
> interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out
> interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR.
>
> Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax
> jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated
> panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers
> and the labor to seal them.
>
> I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now.  If I
> could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice.  I'd
> also just settle for a cheaper external antenna.
>
> Any brilliant ideas?
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[Adam Moffett]

I hate Wimax.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:41:59 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more difficult 
and expensive.  Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Yup.  They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to each 
other by traces.


What about a cheaper external antenna?  The price to beat is $120.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to couple to with 
any efficiency.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE


What does the CPE look like?

From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
To:Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to 
reduce interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to 
tune out interference from other base stations and thereby improve 
CINR.


Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax 
jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the 
integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of 
the coax jumpers and the labor to seal them.


I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now.  If 
I could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on 
rice.  I'd also just settle for a cheaper external antenna.


Any brilliant ideas?

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[chuck]

The antenna is the easy part, the case and mounting are more difficult and 
expensive.  Tooling alone for a new antenna case is easily $10K+.   

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Yup.  They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to each other by 
traces.

What about a cheaper external antenna?  The price to beat is $120.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to couple to with any 
efficiency.  

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
  a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.



  -- Original Message --
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
  Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

What does the CPE look like?

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce 
interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out 
interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR.

Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax 
jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated 
panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers and 
the labor to seal them.

I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now.  If I 
could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice.  I'd 
also just settle for a cheaper external antenna.

Any brilliant ideas?

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[Adam Moffett]

Yup.  They have an array of metal circles on a board connected to each 
other by traces.


What about a cheaper external antenna?  The price to beat is $120.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:37:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to couple to with 
any efficiency.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE


What does the CPE look like?

From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
To:Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce 
interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out 
interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR.


Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax 
jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the 
integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of 
the coax jumpers and the labor to seal them.


I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now.  If I 
could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice. 
 I'd also just settle for a cheaper external antenna.


Any brilliant ideas?

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[Adam Moffett]

The external antenna version is the exact same housing, but with a pair 
of N connectors protruding on the side opposite from the cable glands.



-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:34:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE


Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE


What does the CPE look like?

From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
To:Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce 
interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out 
interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR.


Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax 
jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the 
integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of 
the coax jumpers and the labor to seal them.


I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now.  If I 
could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice. 
 I'd also just settle for a cheaper external antenna.


Any brilliant ideas?

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[chuck]

Yeah, that will be an array of patches inside.  Hard to couple to with any 
efficiency.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  What does the CPE look like?

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

  I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce 
interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out 
interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR.

  Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax jumpers. 
 A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated panel is 
$120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers and the labor 
to seal them.

  I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now.  If I could 
slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice.  I'd also just 
settle for a cheaper external antenna.

  Any brilliant ideas?

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[Adam Moffett]

I don't have the know-how required.


-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:32:13 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE


Make one?


On Sep 30, 2016 11:29 AM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce 
interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out 
interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR.


Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax 
jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the 
integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of 
the coax jumpers and the labor to seal them.


I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now.  If I 
could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice. 
 I'd also just settle for a cheaper external antenna.


Any brilliant ideas?

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[Adam Moffett]

Like a 45 slant 15dbi panel.
a 10" x 10" diamond with flattened corners.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 9/30/2016 12:33:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE


What does the CPE look like?

From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
To:Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce 
interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out 
interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR.


Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax 
jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the 
integrated panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the 
coax jumpers and the labor to seal them.


I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now.  If I 
could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice.  
I'd also just settle for a cheaper external antenna.


Any brilliant ideas?

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[chuck]

What does the CPE look like?

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:29 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce 
interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out 
interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR.

Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax jumpers.  
A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated panel is 
$120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers and the labor 
to seal them.

I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now.  If I could 
slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice.  I'd also just 
settle for a cheaper external antenna.

Any brilliant ideas?

Re: [AFMUG] I want a "Stinger like" antenna for Wimax CPE

[Josh Reynolds]

Make one?

On Sep 30, 2016 11:29 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

> I want to narrow the radiation pattern on Wimax CPE in order to reduce
> interference.  Higher gain is a bonus, but mostly I want to tune out
> interference from other base stations and thereby improve CINR.
>
> Right now all I've got is I can put an external antenna on with coax
> jumpers.  A dish with a significantly narrower pattern than the integrated
> panel is $120-$140 from KP Performance, plus the cost of the coax jumpers
> and the labor to seal them.
>
> I'm really missing the Canopy stingers and reflectors right now.  If I
> could slip something on for $50 I'd be all over it like white on rice.  I'd
> also just settle for a cheaper external antenna.
>
> Any brilliant ideas?
>
>