Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?

[Chuck Hogg via Af]

Traco Charge Controller & Power supply.

TSP-BCM48
TSP 360–148


Regards,
Chuck

On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Gino Villarini via Af  wrote:

>  What are u using?
>
> Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
>
>
> On Oct 4, 2014, at 11:02 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af  wrote:
>
>   To be clear, we don't use something like an APC UPS.  We do a battery
> array with a charge controller.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Vince West via Af  wrote:
>
>> Kade,
>>
>>  I can't speak on the fiber, because we have used a few different kinds
>> over the builds we have done. My favorite has been bend insensitive fiber.
>> It is small and can make the same turns the Ethernet and power can without
>> risking a break. It is also really thin and makes for easier movement when
>> securing the cable.
>>
>>  In terms of the PacketFlux gear in the air, if the site is done
>> properly and grounded, there shouldn't be any problems. I have only had to
>> replace two of them since we started building our larger sites out like
>> this. The list Gerard gave is missing two items I believe: breakers and
>> fuses. More often than not, the fuses on the ground are the ones that go.
>> We have one site where our box is 360ft on the tower. This site almost
>> always suffers some kind of issue in major lightning storms. It trips a
>> breaker at the base. The drive out is 20 minutes and worth while compared
>> to having to climb the tower when the storm is over.
>>
>>  We do not use UPSs anymore on the large deployments. The DC box stays
>> on the ground because the power line going up the tower is either fused or
>> has it's own DC breaker. We also have a site monitor at the base to monitor
>> voltage levels on the batteries and we can graph the stats to troubleshoot
>> in the future. Because we use a breaker or fuse in our DC system going from
>> the top to the bottom, it would be a pain to still have to climb to replace
>> a fuse if necessary.
>>
>>  Vince West
>> Tower Hand
>> Technical Support
>> Shelby Broadband
>> 148 Citizens Blvd
>> Simpsonville, KY 40067
>> Phone: 1-888-364-4232
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Kade Sullivan via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Do you guys find that the packetflux gear has a high survival rate up
>>> there?  We have a site that needs converted to DC and recabled, and are
>>> considering this route.  Our thinking is, why put the dc box at the bottom
>>> when we can just put the thing up at the top and run nothing down to the
>>> bottom except power.  All our backhauls are half way up the tower, no
>>> reason to even have anything at the bottom except the UPS.
>>>
>>>  What type of fiber are you guys using for attaching to the tower?  We
>>> will need to run a fiber from 1 level to another on the tower to feed the
>>> backhauls to the APs, and are unsure which type fiber cable to look at.
>>> Should we use armored fiber and just ground the jacket to the tower on each
>>> end, or do we want fiber with no metal jacket so that it's not conductive?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Gerard Dupont III via Af 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Our Top boxes usually contain the following.

  1x Sitemonitor
 2x GigabitSyncInjectors
 1x Citel DS210-48DC
 2x Traco TCL 060-124 DC Down Convertors -
 http://www.tracopower.com/products/tcl-dc.pdf
 1x RB2011
 2x APC PRM4 Surge Chasis
 8x GigEAPC-HV



  Gerard

 On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af 
 wrote:

> We use this, and solder two legs together.  We send 48v DC up to the
> top and downconvert.  I think we've gone about 450' with this 
> configuration
> (including up the tower and along the cable raceway to the inside of a
> building)  However, that's primarily why we send 48v up and downconvert,
> because of the voltage loss.  Gives very clean 24v power to the equipment.
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Cable-Portable-Power-Gauge-Conductor/dp/B0076ZT4C2
>
>  It would probably be better for me to take a picture of one of our
> boxes.  We are continually building them as we continue our wireless
> upgrades.
>
>  I don't remember if Gerard resub'd to this list after it moved, but
> he's the engineer behind the box.  He can give you parts.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc
> via Af  wrote:
>
>>  Chuck,
>>
>>  Are you doing any 8-10 gauge runs exceeding 500' ?
>>
>>  I can't seem to find what I need
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 28, 2014, at 9:50 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af  wrote:
>>
>>   We do power and fiber up the tower as our standard...ever since
>> that standard has been used, I don't think we've lost a site yet.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Matt via Af  wrote:
>>
>>> This is what we have used f

Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?

[Gino Villarini via Af]

What are u using?

Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!


On Oct 4, 2014, at 11:02 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

To be clear, we don't use something like an APC UPS.  We do a battery array 
with a charge controller.

Regards,
Chuck

On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Vince West via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Kade,

I can't speak on the fiber, because we have used a few different kinds over the 
builds we have done. My favorite has been bend insensitive fiber. It is small 
and can make the same turns the Ethernet and power can without risking a break. 
It is also really thin and makes for easier movement when securing the cable.

In terms of the PacketFlux gear in the air, if the site is done properly and 
grounded, there shouldn't be any problems. I have only had to replace two of 
them since we started building our larger sites out like this. The list Gerard 
gave is missing two items I believe: breakers and fuses. More often than not, 
the fuses on the ground are the ones that go. We have one site where our box is 
360ft on the tower. This site almost always suffers some kind of issue in major 
lightning storms. It trips a breaker at the base. The drive out is 20 minutes 
and worth while compared to having to climb the tower when the storm is over.

We do not use UPSs anymore on the large deployments. The DC box stays on the 
ground because the power line going up the tower is either fused or has it's 
own DC breaker. We also have a site monitor at the base to monitor voltage 
levels on the batteries and we can graph the stats to troubleshoot in the 
future. Because we use a breaker or fuse in our DC system going from the top to 
the bottom, it would be a pain to still have to climb to replace a fuse if 
necessary.

Vince West
Tower Hand
Technical Support
Shelby Broadband
148 Citizens Blvd
Simpsonville, KY 40067
Phone: 1-888-364-4232

On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Kade Sullivan via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Do you guys find that the packetflux gear has a high survival rate up there?  
We have a site that needs converted to DC and recabled, and are considering 
this route.  Our thinking is, why put the dc box at the bottom when we can just 
put the thing up at the top and run nothing down to the bottom except power.  
All our backhauls are half way up the tower, no reason to even have anything at 
the bottom except the UPS.

What type of fiber are you guys using for attaching to the tower?  We will need 
to run a fiber from 1 level to another on the tower to feed the backhauls to 
the APs, and are unsure which type fiber cable to look at.  Should we use 
armored fiber and just ground the jacket to the tower on each end, or do we 
want fiber with no metal jacket so that it's not conductive?



On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Gerard Dupont III via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Our Top boxes usually contain the following.

1x Sitemonitor
2x GigabitSyncInjectors
1x Citel DS210-48DC
2x Traco TCL 060-124 DC Down Convertors - 
http://www.tracopower.com/products/tcl-dc.pdf
1x RB2011
2x APC PRM4 Surge Chasis
8x GigEAPC-HV



Gerard

On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
We use this, and solder two legs together.  We send 48v DC up to the top and 
downconvert.  I think we've gone about 450' with this configuration (including 
up the tower and along the cable raceway to the inside of a building)  However, 
that's primarily why we send 48v up and downconvert, because of the voltage 
loss.  Gives very clean 24v power to the equipment.

http://www.amazon.com/Cable-Portable-Power-Gauge-Conductor/dp/B0076ZT4C2

It would probably be better for me to take a picture of one of our boxes.  We 
are continually building them as we continue our wireless upgrades.

I don't remember if Gerard resub'd to this list after it moved, but he's the 
engineer behind the box.  He can give you parts.

Regards,
Chuck

On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Chuck,

Are you doing any 8-10 gauge runs exceeding 500' ?

I can't seem to find what I need

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 28, 2014, at 9:50 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

We do power and fiber up the tower as our standard...ever since that standard 
has been used, I don't think we've lost a site yet.

Regards,
Chuck

On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Matt via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
This is what we have used for all our CMM units for years.

http://www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com/14ga2inspca5.html

Outdoor, UV resistant, etc.



On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
> Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower
>
> 30-40w total power
>
> Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable?
>
> We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes...
>
> Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
>

Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?

[Chuck Hogg via Af]

To be clear, we don't use something like an APC UPS.  We do a battery array
with a charge controller.

Regards,
Chuck

On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Vince West via Af  wrote:

> Kade,
>
> I can't speak on the fiber, because we have used a few different kinds
> over the builds we have done. My favorite has been bend insensitive fiber.
> It is small and can make the same turns the Ethernet and power can without
> risking a break. It is also really thin and makes for easier movement when
> securing the cable.
>
> In terms of the PacketFlux gear in the air, if the site is done properly
> and grounded, there shouldn't be any problems. I have only had to replace
> two of them since we started building our larger sites out like this. The
> list Gerard gave is missing two items I believe: breakers and fuses. More
> often than not, the fuses on the ground are the ones that go. We have one
> site where our box is 360ft on the tower. This site almost always suffers
> some kind of issue in major lightning storms. It trips a breaker at the
> base. The drive out is 20 minutes and worth while compared to having to
> climb the tower when the storm is over.
>
> We do not use UPSs anymore on the large deployments. The DC box stays on
> the ground because the power line going up the tower is either fused or has
> it's own DC breaker. We also have a site monitor at the base to monitor
> voltage levels on the batteries and we can graph the stats to troubleshoot
> in the future. Because we use a breaker or fuse in our DC system going from
> the top to the bottom, it would be a pain to still have to climb to replace
> a fuse if necessary.
>
> Vince West
> Tower Hand
> Technical Support
> Shelby Broadband
> 148 Citizens Blvd
> Simpsonville, KY 40067
> Phone: 1-888-364-4232
>
> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Kade Sullivan via Af  wrote:
>
>> Do you guys find that the packetflux gear has a high survival rate up
>> there?  We have a site that needs converted to DC and recabled, and are
>> considering this route.  Our thinking is, why put the dc box at the bottom
>> when we can just put the thing up at the top and run nothing down to the
>> bottom except power.  All our backhauls are half way up the tower, no
>> reason to even have anything at the bottom except the UPS.
>>
>> What type of fiber are you guys using for attaching to the tower?  We
>> will need to run a fiber from 1 level to another on the tower to feed the
>> backhauls to the APs, and are unsure which type fiber cable to look at.
>> Should we use armored fiber and just ground the jacket to the tower on each
>> end, or do we want fiber with no metal jacket so that it's not conductive?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Gerard Dupont III via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Our Top boxes usually contain the following.
>>>
>>> 1x Sitemonitor
>>> 2x GigabitSyncInjectors
>>> 1x Citel DS210-48DC
>>> 2x Traco TCL 060-124 DC Down Convertors -
>>> http://www.tracopower.com/products/tcl-dc.pdf
>>> 1x RB2011
>>> 2x APC PRM4 Surge Chasis
>>> 8x GigEAPC-HV
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gerard
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 We use this, and solder two legs together.  We send 48v DC up to the
 top and downconvert.  I think we've gone about 450' with this configuration
 (including up the tower and along the cable raceway to the inside of a
 building)  However, that's primarily why we send 48v up and downconvert,
 because of the voltage loss.  Gives very clean 24v power to the equipment.

 http://www.amazon.com/Cable-Portable-Power-Gauge-Conductor/dp/B0076ZT4C2

 It would probably be better for me to take a picture of one of our
 boxes.  We are continually building them as we continue our wireless
 upgrades.

 I don't remember if Gerard resub'd to this list after it moved, but
 he's the engineer behind the box.  He can give you parts.

 Regards,
 Chuck

 On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via
 Af  wrote:

> Chuck,
>
> Are you doing any 8-10 gauge runs exceeding 500' ?
>
> I can't seem to find what I need
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 28, 2014, at 9:50 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af  wrote:
>
> We do power and fiber up the tower as our standard...ever since that
> standard has been used, I don't think we've lost a site yet.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Matt via Af  wrote:
>
>> This is what we have used for all our CMM units for years.
>>
>> http://www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com/14ga2inspca5.html
>>
>> Outdoor, UV resistant, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af 
>> wrote:
>> > Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower
>> >
>> > 30-40w total power
>> >
>> > Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable?
>> >
>> > We are inclined on cat 5 for standa

Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?

[Cassidy B. Larson via Af]

I've tried a few of these and seem to like them:

http://www.planet.com.tw/en/product/product.php?id=48479

-40 to 70C

8x1G copper and 2xSFP

No routing, but for the need, it'd work and is DIN rail mounted.

-c


-- 

Cassidy B. Larson
CTO - InfoWest, Inc.
Voice: 435-773-6073
c...@infowest.com



On Oct 3, 2014, at 5:58 PM, Jeremy via Af  wrote:

> Cisco IE-3000 4TC sounds like exactly what you are looking for.  It runs on 
> 18-60VDC and can operate up to 167 degrees Fahrenheit.  
> 
> On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 9:28 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af  wrote:
> At $4.10 it's not great, but I would probably go for it.   Biggest driver for 
> me would be the single cable up the tower and the ease of securing that 
> cable.   I used to do 'box at the top' and moved to individual runs to the 
> base. The cabling is a nuisance with everything at the bottom which is why I 
> am looking at going back to the 'box at the top' method.   I have not found a 
> great deal of difference in equipment survival either way.
> 
> As for switches I'm considering doing 2 of these to serve 4 AP's - 
> http://www.garrettcom.com/csg14.htm   Using simplex SFP's I can use one fiber 
> for each convertor.   So far I have not found a 4 port GigE + 1 SFP extended 
> temperature DIN rail mount switch. Still looking.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/28/14, 11:00 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af wrote:
> I have requested pricing on this as well.  I think that in the end, it was 
> overly expensive (something like 4x the cost of doing 2 split runs, $4.10/ft 
> or something like that). If we could get that even within 15% of what I'm 
> paying now, I'd be happy.
> 
> Regards,
> Chuck
> 
> 
> -- 
> Mark Radabaugh
> Amplex
> 
> m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?

[Jeremy via Af]

Cisco IE-3000 4TC sounds like exactly what you are looking for.  It runs on
18-60VDC and can operate up to 167 degrees Fahrenheit.

On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 9:28 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af  wrote:

> At $4.10 it's not great, but I would probably go for it.   Biggest driver
> for me would be the single cable up the tower and the ease of securing that
> cable.   I used to do 'box at the top' and moved to individual runs to the
> base. The cabling is a nuisance with everything at the bottom which is why
> I am looking at going back to the 'box at the top' method.   I have not
> found a great deal of difference in equipment survival either way.
>
> As for switches I'm considering doing 2 of these to serve 4 AP's -
> http://www.garrettcom.com/csg14.htm   Using simplex SFP's I can use one
> fiber for each convertor.   So far I have not found a 4 port GigE + 1 SFP
> extended temperature DIN rail mount switch. Still looking.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On 9/28/14, 11:00 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af wrote:
>
>> I have requested pricing on this as well.  I think that in the end, it
>> was overly expensive (something like 4x the cost of doing 2 split runs,
>> $4.10/ft or something like that). If we could get that even within 15% of
>> what I'm paying now, I'd be happy.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>>
> --
> Mark Radabaugh
> Amplex
>
> m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?

[Vince West via Af]

Kade,

I can't speak on the fiber, because we have used a few different kinds over
the builds we have done. My favorite has been bend insensitive fiber. It is
small and can make the same turns the Ethernet and power can without
risking a break. It is also really thin and makes for easier movement when
securing the cable.

In terms of the PacketFlux gear in the air, if the site is done properly
and grounded, there shouldn't be any problems. I have only had to replace
two of them since we started building our larger sites out like this. The
list Gerard gave is missing two items I believe: breakers and fuses. More
often than not, the fuses on the ground are the ones that go. We have one
site where our box is 360ft on the tower. This site almost always suffers
some kind of issue in major lightning storms. It trips a breaker at the
base. The drive out is 20 minutes and worth while compared to having to
climb the tower when the storm is over.

We do not use UPSs anymore on the large deployments. The DC box stays on
the ground because the power line going up the tower is either fused or has
it's own DC breaker. We also have a site monitor at the base to monitor
voltage levels on the batteries and we can graph the stats to troubleshoot
in the future. Because we use a breaker or fuse in our DC system going from
the top to the bottom, it would be a pain to still have to climb to replace
a fuse if necessary.

Vince West
Tower Hand
Technical Support
Shelby Broadband
148 Citizens Blvd
Simpsonville, KY 40067
Phone: 1-888-364-4232

On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Kade Sullivan via Af  wrote:

> Do you guys find that the packetflux gear has a high survival rate up
> there?  We have a site that needs converted to DC and recabled, and are
> considering this route.  Our thinking is, why put the dc box at the bottom
> when we can just put the thing up at the top and run nothing down to the
> bottom except power.  All our backhauls are half way up the tower, no
> reason to even have anything at the bottom except the UPS.
>
> What type of fiber are you guys using for attaching to the tower?  We will
> need to run a fiber from 1 level to another on the tower to feed the
> backhauls to the APs, and are unsure which type fiber cable to look at.
> Should we use armored fiber and just ground the jacket to the tower on each
> end, or do we want fiber with no metal jacket so that it's not conductive?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Gerard Dupont III via Af 
> wrote:
>
>> Our Top boxes usually contain the following.
>>
>> 1x Sitemonitor
>> 2x GigabitSyncInjectors
>> 1x Citel DS210-48DC
>> 2x Traco TCL 060-124 DC Down Convertors -
>> http://www.tracopower.com/products/tcl-dc.pdf
>> 1x RB2011
>> 2x APC PRM4 Surge Chasis
>> 8x GigEAPC-HV
>>
>>
>>
>> Gerard
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af  wrote:
>>
>>> We use this, and solder two legs together.  We send 48v DC up to the top
>>> and downconvert.  I think we've gone about 450' with this configuration
>>> (including up the tower and along the cable raceway to the inside of a
>>> building)  However, that's primarily why we send 48v up and downconvert,
>>> because of the voltage loss.  Gives very clean 24v power to the equipment.
>>>
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Cable-Portable-Power-Gauge-Conductor/dp/B0076ZT4C2
>>>
>>> It would probably be better for me to take a picture of one of our
>>> boxes.  We are continually building them as we continue our wireless
>>> upgrades.
>>>
>>> I don't remember if Gerard resub'd to this list after it moved, but he's
>>> the engineer behind the box.  He can give you parts.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via
>>> Af  wrote:
>>>
 Chuck,

 Are you doing any 8-10 gauge runs exceeding 500' ?

 I can't seem to find what I need

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 28, 2014, at 9:50 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af  wrote:

 We do power and fiber up the tower as our standard...ever since that
 standard has been used, I don't think we've lost a site yet.

 Regards,
 Chuck

 On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Matt via Af  wrote:

> This is what we have used for all our CMM units for years.
>
> http://www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com/14ga2inspca5.html
>
> Outdoor, UV resistant, etc.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af 
> wrote:
> > Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower
> >
> > 30-40w total power
> >
> > Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable?
> >
> > We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes...
> >
> > Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
> >
>


>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?

[Mike Hammett via Af]

That's where having sync built-in is nice. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Josh Baird via Af"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 9:27:11 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower? 


If the radios did have SFPs, wouldn't you still need to provide sync (which 
would mean additional cables)? 


On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 




http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CC0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.commscope.com%2FDocs%2FHELIAX_FFDirect_Brochure_BR-107083.pdf&ei=uhQoVLffMIWayQSu5YCoBA&usg=AFQjCNFvqSzEDLibQ4WCTebhIbt3KgEQYQ&sig2=gR3vElbGdefgDpcYEtvB2Q&bvm=bv.76247554,d.aWw
 

I'm getting pricing on this - if it's anything remotely reasonable I'm really 
thinking about using this for tower sites. With 3 fiber feeds and 3 power feeds 
I can use one power/fiber pair to each of the SAF Integra's, and use the other 
one to go to a enclosure with power and a switch to connect to the APs'. 

I'm trying to find out if I can get a small switch and a PacketFlux 
Syncinjector stuffed into a 3M Tower Dome Closure: 

http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/mediawebserver?mwsId=6UgxGCuNyXTtoxMVlxMVEVtQEcuZgVs6EVs6E66--&fn=Tower_Dome_Terminal_TDT_T_25_6RS
 

The combination seems like it would solve a lot of problems. It gives us one 
cable up the tower and the cable fits properly into standard tower hangers. The 
dome closure can be built on the ground with appropriate length cables to each 
AP so that the whole thing can be assembled on the ground and then hoisted into 
place so that the tower monkeys only have to plug things in. 

The other nice part is if you are using contract tower crews the whole thing 
looks just like installing a standard Remote Radio Unit (RRU) radio head, so 
they should both not need a lot of retraining. 

If we could get our radio manufacturers to start making equipment with SFP's 
this would be even easier. That's a hint there Cambium. 


Mark 

On 9/28/14, 9:50 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af wrote: 



We do power and fiber up the tower as our standard...ever since that standard 
has been used, I don't think we've lost a site yet. 


Regards, 
Chuck 

On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Matt via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 


This is what we have used for all our CMM units for years. 

http://www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com/14ga2inspca5.html 

Outdoor, UV resistant, etc. 





On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 
> Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower 
> 
> 30-40w total power 
> 
> Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable? 
> 
> We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes... 
> 
> Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!! 
> 







-- 
Mark Radabaugh 
Amplex m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021 

Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?

[Kade Sullivan via Af]

Do you guys find that the packetflux gear has a high survival rate up
there?  We have a site that needs converted to DC and recabled, and are
considering this route.  Our thinking is, why put the dc box at the bottom
when we can just put the thing up at the top and run nothing down to the
bottom except power.  All our backhauls are half way up the tower, no
reason to even have anything at the bottom except the UPS.

What type of fiber are you guys using for attaching to the tower?  We will
need to run a fiber from 1 level to another on the tower to feed the
backhauls to the APs, and are unsure which type fiber cable to look at.
Should we use armored fiber and just ground the jacket to the tower on each
end, or do we want fiber with no metal jacket so that it's not conductive?



On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Gerard Dupont III via Af 
wrote:

> Our Top boxes usually contain the following.
>
> 1x Sitemonitor
> 2x GigabitSyncInjectors
> 1x Citel DS210-48DC
> 2x Traco TCL 060-124 DC Down Convertors -
> http://www.tracopower.com/products/tcl-dc.pdf
> 1x RB2011
> 2x APC PRM4 Surge Chasis
> 8x GigEAPC-HV
>
>
>
> Gerard
>
> On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af  wrote:
>
>> We use this, and solder two legs together.  We send 48v DC up to the top
>> and downconvert.  I think we've gone about 450' with this configuration
>> (including up the tower and along the cable raceway to the inside of a
>> building)  However, that's primarily why we send 48v up and downconvert,
>> because of the voltage loss.  Gives very clean 24v power to the equipment.
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Cable-Portable-Power-Gauge-Conductor/dp/B0076ZT4C2
>>
>> It would probably be better for me to take a picture of one of our
>> boxes.  We are continually building them as we continue our wireless
>> upgrades.
>>
>> I don't remember if Gerard resub'd to this list after it moved, but he's
>> the engineer behind the box.  He can give you parts.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via
>> Af  wrote:
>>
>>> Chuck,
>>>
>>> Are you doing any 8-10 gauge runs exceeding 500' ?
>>>
>>> I can't seem to find what I need
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 28, 2014, at 9:50 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af  wrote:
>>>
>>> We do power and fiber up the tower as our standard...ever since that
>>> standard has been used, I don't think we've lost a site yet.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Matt via Af  wrote:
>>>
 This is what we have used for all our CMM units for years.

 http://www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com/14ga2inspca5.html

 Outdoor, UV resistant, etc.



 On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af 
 wrote:
 > Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower
 >
 > 30-40w total power
 >
 > Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable?
 >
 > We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes...
 >
 > Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
 >

>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?

[Gerard Dupont III via Af]

Our Top boxes usually contain the following.

1x Sitemonitor
2x GigabitSyncInjectors
1x Citel DS210-48DC
2x Traco TCL 060-124 DC Down Convertors -
http://www.tracopower.com/products/tcl-dc.pdf
1x RB2011
2x APC PRM4 Surge Chasis
8x GigEAPC-HV



Gerard

On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af  wrote:

> We use this, and solder two legs together.  We send 48v DC up to the top
> and downconvert.  I think we've gone about 450' with this configuration
> (including up the tower and along the cable raceway to the inside of a
> building)  However, that's primarily why we send 48v up and downconvert,
> because of the voltage loss.  Gives very clean 24v power to the equipment.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Cable-Portable-Power-Gauge-Conductor/dp/B0076ZT4C2
>
> It would probably be better for me to take a picture of one of our boxes.
> We are continually building them as we continue our wireless upgrades.
>
> I don't remember if Gerard resub'd to this list after it moved, but he's
> the engineer behind the box.  He can give you parts.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af
>  wrote:
>
>> Chuck,
>>
>> Are you doing any 8-10 gauge runs exceeding 500' ?
>>
>> I can't seem to find what I need
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 28, 2014, at 9:50 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af  wrote:
>>
>> We do power and fiber up the tower as our standard...ever since that
>> standard has been used, I don't think we've lost a site yet.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Matt via Af  wrote:
>>
>>> This is what we have used for all our CMM units for years.
>>>
>>> http://www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com/14ga2inspca5.html
>>>
>>> Outdoor, UV resistant, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af 
>>> wrote:
>>> > Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower
>>> >
>>> > 30-40w total power
>>> >
>>> > Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable?
>>> >
>>> > We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes...
>>> >
>>> > Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?

[Jaime Solorza via Af]

We have been installing sensors down 600 ft well pipes that are 24vdc on
current project.   Cable looks like heavy jacketed Cat 5 with three leads
and a strong pull guide inside.   That connects to box outside the control
room

Jaime Solorza
On Sep 27, 2014 12:16 PM, "Gino Villarini via Af"  wrote:

> Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower
>
> 30-40w total power
>
> Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable?
>
> We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes...
>
> Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?

[Jaime Solorza via Af]

We have been installing sensors down 600 ft well pipes that are 24vdc on
current project.   Cable looks like heavy jacketed Cat 5 with three leads
and a strong pull guide inside.   That connects to box outside the control
room and about 15 more feet via conduit to RTU panel

Jaime Solorza
On Sep 27, 2014 12:16 PM, "Gino Villarini via Af"  wrote:

> Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower
>
> 30-40w total power
>
> Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable?
>
> We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes...
>
> Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?

[Jaime Solorza via Af]

Ahem Tesla's fused thoughts before Marconi stole them.

Jaime Solorza
On Sep 27, 2014 12:16 PM, "Gino Villarini via Af"  wrote:

> Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower
>
> 30-40w total power
>
> Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable?
>
> We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes...
>
> Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?

[Jason McKemie via Af]

Hybrid cable is nice, but it is a 1+1=8 type situation. Simply not worth
the additional cost.

On Sunday, September 28, 2014, David Milholen via Af  wrote:

>  + 1 billion on hybrid cable
> My first site used RG58 for Power and fiber for the data but when the
> Hybrid cable came on the scene
>  I fell in love with it LOL
> Bestronics does a turn-key cable with custom length pigtail on each end
> and what ever type terminations.
>
> On 9/28/2014 8:50 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af wrote:
>
> We do power and fiber up the tower as our standard...ever since that
> standard has been used, I don't think we've lost a site yet.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Matt via Af  > wrote:
>
>> This is what we have used for all our CMM units for years.
>>
>> http://www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com/14ga2inspca5.html
>>
>> Outdoor, UV resistant, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af > > wrote:
>> > Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower
>> >
>> > 30-40w total power
>> >
>> > Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable?
>> >
>> > We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes...
>> >
>> > Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
>> >
>>
>
>
> --
>

Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?

[David Milholen via Af]

+ 1 billion on hybrid cable
My first site used RG58 for Power and fiber for the data but when the 
Hybrid cable came on the scene

 I fell in love with it LOL
Bestronics does a turn-key cable with custom length pigtail on each end 
and what ever type terminations.


On 9/28/2014 8:50 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af wrote:
We do power and fiber up the tower as our standard...ever since that 
standard has been used, I don't think we've lost a site yet.


Regards,
Chuck

On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Matt via Af > wrote:


This is what we have used for all our CMM units for years.

http://www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com/14ga2inspca5.html

Outdoor, UV resistant, etc.



On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
> Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower
>
> 30-40w total power
>
> Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable?
>
> We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes...
>
> Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
>




--

Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?

[Josh Baird via Af]

The 8port GigE switch that I referenced above has both SFP and copper
interfaces, mounts on a DIN rail and is hardened.  It's also only $199.

Sure - it's twice as many ports as you need, but that may come in handy
down the road.  Anything keeping you from trying this model?

Josh

On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af 
wrote:

> At $4.10 it's not great, but I would probably go for it.   Biggest driver
> for me would be the single cable up the tower and the ease of securing that
> cable.   I used to do 'box at the top' and moved to individual runs to the
> base. The cabling is a nuisance with everything at the bottom which is why
> I am looking at going back to the 'box at the top' method.   I have not
> found a great deal of difference in equipment survival either way.
>
> As for switches I'm considering doing 2 of these to serve 4 AP's -
> http://www.garrettcom.com/csg14.htm   Using simplex SFP's I can use one
> fiber for each convertor.   So far I have not found a 4 port GigE + 1 SFP
> extended temperature DIN rail mount switch. Still looking.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On 9/28/14, 11:00 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af wrote:
>
>> I have requested pricing on this as well.  I think that in the end, it
>> was overly expensive (something like 4x the cost of doing 2 split runs,
>> $4.10/ft or something like that). If we could get that even within 15% of
>> what I'm paying now, I'd be happy.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>>
> --
> Mark Radabaugh
> Amplex
>
> m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?

[Paul Conlin via Af]

http://www.antaira.com/ has plenty of extended temperature SFP equipped GigE 
DIN mount switches--managed or unmanaged.  From the outside they don't look all 
that different than some of the Planet models but I am happy with Antaira 
(previously called Aaxeon) and have never used the ones from Planet.

PC
Blaze Broadband



> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+pconlin=blazebroadband@afmug.com] On Behalf
> Of Mark Radabaugh via Af
> Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 11:29 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?
> 
> At $4.10 it's not great, but I would probably go for it.   Biggest
> driver for me would be the single cable up the tower and the ease of
> securing that cable.   I used to do 'box at the top' and moved to
> individual runs to the base. The cabling is a nuisance with everything at the 
> bottom
> which is why I am looking at going back to the 'box at the
> top' method.   I have not found a great deal of difference in equipment
> survival either way.
> 
> As for switches I'm considering doing 2 of these to serve 4 AP's -
> http://www.garrettcom.com/csg14.htm   Using simplex SFP's I can use one
> fiber for each convertor.   So far I have not found a 4 port GigE + 1
> SFP extended temperature DIN rail mount switch. Still looking.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/28/14, 11:00 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af wrote:
> > I have requested pricing on this as well.  I think that in the end, it
> > was overly expensive (something like 4x the cost of doing 2 split
> > runs, $4.10/ft or something like that). If we could get that even
> > within 15% of what I'm paying now, I'd be happy.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Chuck
> >
> 
> --
> Mark Radabaugh
> Amplex
> 
> m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021

Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?

[Gino Villarini via Af]

Any of these SW work?

http://www.planet.com.tw/en/product/product_list.php?id=22154




Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com  
@aeronetpr






On 9/28/14, 11:28 AM, "Mark Radabaugh via Af"  wrote:

>At $4.10 it's not great, but I would probably go for it.   Biggest
>driver for me would be the single cable up the tower and the ease of
>securing that cable.   I used to do 'box at the top' and moved to
>individual runs to the base. The cabling is a nuisance with everything
>at the bottom which is why I am looking at going back to the 'box at the
>top' method.   I have not found a great deal of difference in equipment
>survival either way.
>
>As for switches I'm considering doing 2 of these to serve 4 AP's -
>http://www.garrettcom.com/csg14.htm   Using simplex SFP's I can use one
>fiber for each convertor.   So far I have not found a 4 port GigE + 1
>SFP extended temperature DIN rail mount switch. Still looking.
>
>Mark
>
>
>
>On 9/28/14, 11:00 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af wrote:
>> I have requested pricing on this as well.  I think that in the end, it
>> was overly expensive (something like 4x the cost of doing 2 split
>> runs, $4.10/ft or something like that). If we could get that even
>> within 15% of what I'm paying now, I'd be happy.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>
>-- 
>Mark Radabaugh
>Amplex
>
>m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021
>

Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

At $4.10 it's not great, but I would probably go for it.   Biggest 
driver for me would be the single cable up the tower and the ease of 
securing that cable.   I used to do 'box at the top' and moved to 
individual runs to the base. The cabling is a nuisance with everything 
at the bottom which is why I am looking at going back to the 'box at the 
top' method.   I have not found a great deal of difference in equipment 
survival either way.


As for switches I'm considering doing 2 of these to serve 4 AP's - 
http://www.garrettcom.com/csg14.htm   Using simplex SFP's I can use one 
fiber for each convertor.   So far I have not found a 4 port GigE + 1 
SFP extended temperature DIN rail mount switch. Still looking.


Mark



On 9/28/14, 11:00 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af wrote:
I have requested pricing on this as well.  I think that in the end, it 
was overly expensive (something like 4x the cost of doing 2 split 
runs, $4.10/ft or something like that). If we could get that even 
within 15% of what I'm paying now, I'd be happy.


Regards,
Chuck



--
Mark Radabaugh
Amplex

m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021

Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?

[Chuck Hogg via Af]

I have requested pricing on this as well.  I think that in the end, it was
overly expensive (something like 4x the cost of doing 2 split runs,
$4.10/ft or something like that).  If we could get that even within 15% of
what I'm paying now, I'd be happy.

Regards,
Chuck

On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af 
wrote:

>
> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CC0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.commscope.com%2FDocs%2FHELIAX_FFDirect_Brochure_BR-107083.pdf&ei=uhQoVLffMIWayQSu5YCoBA&usg=AFQjCNFvqSzEDLibQ4WCTebhIbt3KgEQYQ&sig2=gR3vElbGdefgDpcYEtvB2Q&bvm=bv.76247554,d.aWw
>
> I'm getting pricing on this - if it's anything remotely reasonable I'm
> really thinking about using this for tower sites.   With 3 fiber feeds and
> 3 power feeds I can use one power/fiber pair to each of the SAF Integra's,
> and use the other one to go to a enclosure with power and a switch to
> connect to the APs'.
>
> I'm trying to find out if I can get a small switch and a PacketFlux
> Syncinjector stuffed into a 3M Tower Dome Closure:
>
>
> http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/mediawebserver?mwsId=6UgxGCuNyXTtoxMVlxMVEVtQEcuZgVs6EVs6E66--&fn=Tower_Dome_Terminal_TDT_T_25_6RS
>
> The combination seems like it would solve a lot of problems.   It gives us
> one cable up the tower and the cable fits properly into standard tower
> hangers.  The dome closure can be built on the ground with appropriate
> length cables to each AP so that the whole thing can be assembled on the
> ground and then hoisted into place so that the tower monkeys only have to
> plug things in.
>
> The other nice part is if you are using contract tower crews the whole
> thing looks just like installing a standard Remote Radio Unit (RRU) radio
> head, so they should both not need a lot of retraining.
>
> If we could get our radio manufacturers to start making equipment with
> SFP's this would be even easier.That's a hint there Cambium.
>
>
> Mark
>
> On 9/28/14, 9:50 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af wrote:
>
> We do power and fiber up the tower as our standard...ever since that
> standard has been used, I don't think we've lost a site yet.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Matt via Af  wrote:
>
>> This is what we have used for all our CMM units for years.
>>
>> http://www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com/14ga2inspca5.html
>>
>> Outdoor, UV resistant, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af 
>> wrote:
>> > Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower
>> >
>> > 30-40w total power
>> >
>> > Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable?
>> >
>> > We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes...
>> >
>> > Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Mark Radabaugh
> Amplex
> m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?

[Josh Baird via Af]

Planet makes a few models that look attractive.

http://www.advice.co.il/data/files/C-IGS-802T_s.pdf

If you need L3 or routing, a 2011 is a cheap solution.

Josh

On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Gino Villarini via Af 
wrote:

>  Keep us posted on pricing!
>
>  Any ideas of what sw to use on top?
>
> Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
>
>
> On Sep 28, 2014, at 10:13 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af  wrote:
>
>
> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CC0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.commscope.com%2FDocs%2FHELIAX_FFDirect_Brochure_BR-107083.pdf&ei=uhQoVLffMIWayQSu5YCoBA&usg=AFQjCNFvqSzEDLibQ4WCTebhIbt3KgEQYQ&sig2=gR3vElbGdefgDpcYEtvB2Q&bvm=bv.76247554,d.aWw
>
> I'm getting pricing on this - if it's anything remotely reasonable I'm
> really thinking about using this for tower sites.   With 3 fiber feeds and
> 3 power feeds I can use one power/fiber pair to each of the SAF Integra's,
> and use the other one to go to a enclosure with power and a switch to
> connect to the APs'.
>
> I'm trying to find out if I can get a small switch and a PacketFlux
> Syncinjector stuffed into a 3M Tower Dome Closure:
>
>
> http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/mediawebserver?mwsId=6UgxGCuNyXTtoxMVlxMVEVtQEcuZgVs6EVs6E66--&fn=Tower_Dome_Terminal_TDT_T_25_6RS
>
> The combination seems like it would solve a lot of problems.   It gives us
> one cable up the tower and the cable fits properly into standard tower
> hangers.  The dome closure can be built on the ground with appropriate
> length cables to each AP so that the whole thing can be assembled on the
> ground and then hoisted into place so that the tower monkeys only have to
> plug things in.
>
> The other nice part is if you are using contract tower crews the whole
> thing looks just like installing a standard Remote Radio Unit (RRU) radio
> head, so they should both not need a lot of retraining.
>
> If we could get our radio manufacturers to start making equipment with
> SFP's this would be even easier.That's a hint there Cambium.
>
>
> Mark
>
> On 9/28/14, 9:50 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af wrote:
>
> We do power and fiber up the tower as our standard...ever since that
> standard has been used, I don't think we've lost a site yet.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Matt via Af  wrote:
>
>> This is what we have used for all our CMM units for years.
>>
>> http://www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com/14ga2inspca5.html
>>
>> Outdoor, UV resistant, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af 
>> wrote:
>> > Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower
>> >
>> > 30-40w total power
>> >
>> > Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable?
>> >
>> > We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes...
>> >
>> > Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Mark Radabaugh
> Amplex
> m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?

[Chuck Hogg via Af]

We use this, and solder two legs together.  We send 48v DC up to the top
and downconvert.  I think we've gone about 450' with this configuration
(including up the tower and along the cable raceway to the inside of a
building)  However, that's primarily why we send 48v up and downconvert,
because of the voltage loss.  Gives very clean 24v power to the equipment.

http://www.amazon.com/Cable-Portable-Power-Gauge-Conductor/dp/B0076ZT4C2

It would probably be better for me to take a picture of one of our boxes.
We are continually building them as we continue our wireless upgrades.

I don't remember if Gerard resub'd to this list after it moved, but he's
the engineer behind the box.  He can give you parts.

Regards,
Chuck

On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af <
af@afmug.com> wrote:

> Chuck,
>
> Are you doing any 8-10 gauge runs exceeding 500' ?
>
> I can't seem to find what I need
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 28, 2014, at 9:50 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af  wrote:
>
> We do power and fiber up the tower as our standard...ever since that
> standard has been used, I don't think we've lost a site yet.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Matt via Af  wrote:
>
>> This is what we have used for all our CMM units for years.
>>
>> http://www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com/14ga2inspca5.html
>>
>> Outdoor, UV resistant, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af 
>> wrote:
>> > Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower
>> >
>> > 30-40w total power
>> >
>> > Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable?
>> >
>> > We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes...
>> >
>> > Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
>> >
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?

[Gino Villarini via Af]

Keep us posted on pricing!

Any ideas of what sw to use on top?

Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!


On Sep 28, 2014, at 10:13 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CC0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.commscope.com%2FDocs%2FHELIAX_FFDirect_Brochure_BR-107083.pdf&ei=uhQoVLffMIWayQSu5YCoBA&usg=AFQjCNFvqSzEDLibQ4WCTebhIbt3KgEQYQ&sig2=gR3vElbGdefgDpcYEtvB2Q&bvm=bv.76247554,d.aWw

I'm getting pricing on this - if it's anything remotely reasonable I'm really 
thinking about using this for tower sites.   With 3 fiber feeds and 3 power 
feeds I can use one power/fiber pair to each of the SAF Integra's, and use the 
other one to go to a enclosure with power and a switch to connect to the APs'.

I'm trying to find out if I can get a small switch and a PacketFlux 
Syncinjector stuffed into a 3M Tower Dome Closure:

http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/mediawebserver?mwsId=6UgxGCuNyXTtoxMVlxMVEVtQEcuZgVs6EVs6E66--&fn=Tower_Dome_Terminal_TDT_T_25_6RS

The combination seems like it would solve a lot of problems.   It gives us one 
cable up the tower and the cable fits properly into standard tower hangers.  
The dome closure can be built on the ground with appropriate length cables to 
each AP so that the whole thing can be assembled on the ground and then hoisted 
into place so that the tower monkeys only have to plug things in.

The other nice part is if you are using contract tower crews the whole thing 
looks just like installing a standard Remote Radio Unit (RRU) radio head, so 
they should both not need a lot of retraining.

If we could get our radio manufacturers to start making equipment with SFP's 
this would be even easier.That's a hint there Cambium.


Mark

On 9/28/14, 9:50 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af wrote:
We do power and fiber up the tower as our standard...ever since that standard 
has been used, I don't think we've lost a site yet.

Regards,
Chuck

On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Matt via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
This is what we have used for all our CMM units for years.

http://www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com/14ga2inspca5.html

Outdoor, UV resistant, etc.



On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
> Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower
>
> 30-40w total power
>
> Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable?
>
> We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes...
>
> Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
>




--
Mark Radabaugh
Amplex

m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021

Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?

[Gino Villarini via Af]

Chuck

What gear are you using up in the tower to break out to copper ethernet?

Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!


On Sep 28, 2014, at 9:52 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

We do power and fiber up the tower as our standard...ever since that standard 
has been used, I don't think we've lost a site yet.

Regards,
Chuck

On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Matt via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
This is what we have used for all our CMM units for years.

http://www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com/14ga2inspca5.html

Outdoor, UV resistant, etc.



On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
> Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower
>
> 30-40w total power
>
> Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable?
>
> We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes...
>
> Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
>

Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

The built-in GPS in the 450 works reasonably well.   Now that they have 
the option of internal GPS and freerun it's reasonably safe to let them 
run that way.  We still have most of our units powered by CTM's but have 
increasingly gone to turning off sync-over-power.   There is some risk 
of the unit losing GPS and going into freerun and then drifting off 
timing but I have not seen an issue with it to date.


Other tower top GPS solutions are available if you don't want to risk 
the internal GPS unit - Cambium uGPS, Packetflux, Last Mile Gear.


Mark

On 9/28/14, 10:27 AM, Josh Baird via Af wrote:
If the radios did have SFPs, wouldn't you still need to provide sync 
(which would mean additional cables)?


On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af > wrote:



http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CC0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.commscope.com%2FDocs%2FHELIAX_FFDirect_Brochure_BR-107083.pdf&ei=uhQoVLffMIWayQSu5YCoBA&usg=AFQjCNFvqSzEDLibQ4WCTebhIbt3KgEQYQ&sig2=gR3vElbGdefgDpcYEtvB2Q&bvm=bv.76247554,d.aWw

I'm getting pricing on this - if it's anything remotely reasonable
I'm really thinking about using this for tower sites.   With 3
fiber feeds and 3 power feeds I can use one power/fiber pair to
each of the SAF Integra's, and use the other one to go to a
enclosure with power and a switch to connect to the APs'.

I'm trying to find out if I can get a small switch and a
PacketFlux Syncinjector stuffed into a 3M Tower Dome Closure:


http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/mediawebserver?mwsId=6UgxGCuNyXTtoxMVlxMVEVtQEcuZgVs6EVs6E66--&fn=Tower_Dome_Terminal_TDT_T_25_6RS

The combination seems like it would solve a lot of problems.   It
gives us one cable up the tower and the cable fits properly into
standard tower hangers.  The dome closure can be built on the
ground with appropriate length cables to each AP so that the whole
thing can be assembled on the ground and then hoisted into place
so that the tower monkeys only have to plug things in.

The other nice part is if you are using contract tower crews the
whole thing looks just like installing a standard Remote Radio
Unit (RRU) radio head, so they should both not need a lot of
retraining.

If we could get our radio manufacturers to start making equipment
with SFP's this would be even easier. That's a hint there Cambium.


Mark

On 9/28/14, 9:50 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af wrote:

We do power and fiber up the tower as our standard...ever since
that standard has been used, I don't think we've lost a site yet.

Regards,
Chuck

On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Matt via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

This is what we have used for all our CMM units for years.

http://www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com/14ga2inspca5.html

Outdoor, UV resistant, etc.



On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
> Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower
>
> 30-40w total power
>
> Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable?
>
> We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes...
>
> Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
>





-- 
Mark Radabaugh

Amplex

m...@amplex.net     419.837.5015 x 1021  






--
Mark Radabaugh
Amplex

m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021

Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?

[Josh Baird via Af]

If the radios did have SFPs, wouldn't you still need to provide sync (which
would mean additional cables)?

On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af 
wrote:

>
> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CC0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.commscope.com%2FDocs%2FHELIAX_FFDirect_Brochure_BR-107083.pdf&ei=uhQoVLffMIWayQSu5YCoBA&usg=AFQjCNFvqSzEDLibQ4WCTebhIbt3KgEQYQ&sig2=gR3vElbGdefgDpcYEtvB2Q&bvm=bv.76247554,d.aWw
>
> I'm getting pricing on this - if it's anything remotely reasonable I'm
> really thinking about using this for tower sites.   With 3 fiber feeds and
> 3 power feeds I can use one power/fiber pair to each of the SAF Integra's,
> and use the other one to go to a enclosure with power and a switch to
> connect to the APs'.
>
> I'm trying to find out if I can get a small switch and a PacketFlux
> Syncinjector stuffed into a 3M Tower Dome Closure:
>
>
> http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/mediawebserver?mwsId=6UgxGCuNyXTtoxMVlxMVEVtQEcuZgVs6EVs6E66--&fn=Tower_Dome_Terminal_TDT_T_25_6RS
>
> The combination seems like it would solve a lot of problems.   It gives us
> one cable up the tower and the cable fits properly into standard tower
> hangers.  The dome closure can be built on the ground with appropriate
> length cables to each AP so that the whole thing can be assembled on the
> ground and then hoisted into place so that the tower monkeys only have to
> plug things in.
>
> The other nice part is if you are using contract tower crews the whole
> thing looks just like installing a standard Remote Radio Unit (RRU) radio
> head, so they should both not need a lot of retraining.
>
> If we could get our radio manufacturers to start making equipment with
> SFP's this would be even easier.That's a hint there Cambium.
>
>
> Mark
>
> On 9/28/14, 9:50 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af wrote:
>
> We do power and fiber up the tower as our standard...ever since that
> standard has been used, I don't think we've lost a site yet.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Matt via Af  wrote:
>
>> This is what we have used for all our CMM units for years.
>>
>> http://www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com/14ga2inspca5.html
>>
>> Outdoor, UV resistant, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af 
>> wrote:
>> > Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower
>> >
>> > 30-40w total power
>> >
>> > Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable?
>> >
>> > We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes...
>> >
>> > Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Mark Radabaugh
> Amplex
> m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?

[Mark Radabaugh via Af]

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CC0QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.commscope.com%2FDocs%2FHELIAX_FFDirect_Brochure_BR-107083.pdf&ei=uhQoVLffMIWayQSu5YCoBA&usg=AFQjCNFvqSzEDLibQ4WCTebhIbt3KgEQYQ&sig2=gR3vElbGdefgDpcYEtvB2Q&bvm=bv.76247554,d.aWw

I'm getting pricing on this - if it's anything remotely reasonable I'm 
really thinking about using this for tower sites.   With 3 fiber feeds 
and 3 power feeds I can use one power/fiber pair to each of the SAF 
Integra's, and use the other one to go to a enclosure with power and a 
switch to connect to the APs'.


I'm trying to find out if I can get a small switch and a PacketFlux 
Syncinjector stuffed into a 3M Tower Dome Closure:


http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/mediawebserver?mwsId=6UgxGCuNyXTtoxMVlxMVEVtQEcuZgVs6EVs6E66--&fn=Tower_Dome_Terminal_TDT_T_25_6RS

The combination seems like it would solve a lot of problems.   It gives 
us one cable up the tower and the cable fits properly into standard 
tower hangers.  The dome closure can be built on the ground with 
appropriate length cables to each AP so that the whole thing can be 
assembled on the ground and then hoisted into place so that the tower 
monkeys only have to plug things in.


The other nice part is if you are using contract tower crews the whole 
thing looks just like installing a standard Remote Radio Unit (RRU) 
radio head, so they should both not need a lot of retraining.


If we could get our radio manufacturers to start making equipment with 
SFP's this would be even easier.That's a hint there Cambium.



Mark

On 9/28/14, 9:50 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af wrote:
We do power and fiber up the tower as our standard...ever since that 
standard has been used, I don't think we've lost a site yet.


Regards,
Chuck

On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Matt via Af > wrote:


This is what we have used for all our CMM units for years.

http://www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com/14ga2inspca5.html

Outdoor, UV resistant, etc.



On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
> Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower
>
> 30-40w total power
>
> Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable?
>
> We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes...
>
> Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
>





--
Mark Radabaugh
Amplex

m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021

Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?

[Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af]

Chuck, 

Are you doing any 8-10 gauge runs exceeding 500' ?

I can't seem to find what I need

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 28, 2014, at 9:50 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af  wrote:
> 
> We do power and fiber up the tower as our standard...ever since that standard 
> has been used, I don't think we've lost a site yet.
> 
> Regards,
> Chuck
> 
>> On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Matt via Af  wrote:
>> This is what we have used for all our CMM units for years.
>> 
>> http://www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com/14ga2inspca5.html
>> 
>> Outdoor, UV resistant, etc.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af  wrote:
>> > Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower
>> >
>> > 30-40w total power
>> >
>> > Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable?
>> >
>> > We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes...
>> >
>> > Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
>> >
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?

[Chuck Hogg via Af]

We do power and fiber up the tower as our standard...ever since that
standard has been used, I don't think we've lost a site yet.

Regards,
Chuck

On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Matt via Af  wrote:

> This is what we have used for all our CMM units for years.
>
> http://www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com/14ga2inspca5.html
>
> Outdoor, UV resistant, etc.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af 
> wrote:
> > Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower
> >
> > 30-40w total power
> >
> > Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable?
> >
> > We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes...
> >
> > Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?

[Matt via Af]

This is what we have used for all our CMM units for years.

http://www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com/14ga2inspca5.html

Outdoor, UV resistant, etc.



On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af  wrote:
> Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower
>
> 30-40w total power
>
> Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable?
>
> We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes...
>
> Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
>

Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?

[Paul Conlin via Af]

For such a low load of 40W I would definitely go with Cat5E cable.  Normal
POE on 2 pair would work just fine.  For higher loads dedicate all 8
conductors to power.  Four 24 gauge wires in the standard Cat5E cable is
electrically equivalent to one 18 gauge wire.  Two groups of 4 (one
dedicated Cat5E) wires gives you the same as one pair of 18 gauge wire.  Use
any of the on-line calculators with 18 gauge and DC selected and verify you
have no more than 10% voltage drop at the top and 5% would be better.
Remember, the higher the voltage the less drop on the way up the cable.  Try
running 48v (or even more!) and step it down at the top if you must.

 

Once your power load exceeds what you can do with Cat5E then go with SOOJ
cable.  We run 12ga 3 conductor with a ground-4 four wires-and run both 48v
and 24v to the top so no voltage converter required for a mixed voltage
array.  If you want to get crazy run 60v up on two parallel pairs of 10ga.

 

PC

Blaze Broadband

 

 

 

 

> -Original Message-

> From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+pconlin=blazebroadband@afmug.com] On
Behalf

> Of Bill Prince via Af

> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 3:30 PM

> To: af@afmug.com

> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?

> 

> Maybe just some LMR400?  Would give you shielding, and probably handle up
to 150-

> 200 watts.

> 

> bp

> 

> On 9/27/2014 11:16 AM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote:

> > Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower

> >

> > 30-40w total power

> >

> > Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable?

> >

> > We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes...

> >

> > Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!

> >

> >

Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?

[Bill Prince via Af]

Maybe just some LMR400?  Would give you shielding, and probably handle 
up to 150-200 watts.


bp

On 9/27/2014 11:16 AM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote:

Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower

30-40w total power

Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable?

We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes...

Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!