subject:"Re\: \[AFMUG\] Ubiquiti DPI\?"

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

2015-07-24 Thread Matt Hardy

+1

:)

On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 9:06 AM, Brett A Mansfield <
li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:

> I had/have that concern as well. But it is mind boggling to me that so
> many people are complaining about ubiquiti putting in this value added
> feature (quite well I may add). I have never seen so many complaints about
> features being added. Shouldn't we instead complain about the needed
> features their products are missing?
>
> Complaining about ubiquiti adding in DPI, even if it sucked, is like
> complaining that you get a dozen free games when you buy an XBox One. You
> may not like the games you get, but they are free and you don't have to
> play them if you don't want.
>
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
>
> On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:52 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> I think the thought is that DPI is a very intensive process and if the
> router wasn't designed with enormous overhead or hardware acceleration, it
> could be crippling. Maybe those routers were...
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
>  <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> --
> *From: *"Brett A Mansfield" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, July 24, 2015 7:50:02 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
>
> I don't know why anyone would have a problem with them putting this on
> existing routers. If you don't like their routers, don't buy them. If you
> do like their routers but think a feature shouldn't be there, don't enable
> it.
>
> I think it's great that ubiquiti innovates the way they do. They have some
> great products that blow other products out of the water in one way or
> another. And it's forced other companies to lower their seriously over
> priced equipment and to rethink their strategies. Ubiquiti really is
> disrupting things in the industry in only good ways.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:17 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:
>
> Well it will be interesting … sure would be nice to see someone “disrupt”
> I agree … but there have been lots of folks try to provide “DPI” and fail
> badly as they didn’t really understand what they were getting into… and
> doing it on existing routers is usually the first mistake in my opinion…..
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2015 1:27 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
>
>
>
> They've got the resources to do it, would be nice to see someone undercut
> the existing players.
>
> On Thursday, July 23, 2015, Paul Stewart  wrote:
>
> I have no idea but if it’s like other attempts I’ve seen from companies to
> stack heavy CPU “stuff” into a router, then stability and any type of
> scaling would be first concerns.  DPI is a very complex item to see someone
> like Ubiquiti jump into in my opinion…
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:13 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
>
>
>
> Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any
> NDAs have been lifted.  Have any of you been using this?  Any idea what
> type of latency is added?  That pricing model is a whole lot different from
> any DPI tool that I have ever seen
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

2015-07-24 Thread Simon Westlake


Only inspection.

On 7/24/2015 2:38 PM, TJ Trout wrote:

Does this do only inspection or shaping based on inspection?

On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Jon Langeler 
mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net>> wrote:


I think they have different teams on each project and some are
more resource limited. they need to spend some more 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 24, 2015, at 12:02 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:


Now if they could just release the U-NII-1 firmware for the Beam
products.
SOON!
*From:* Jon Langeler <mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net>
*Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2015 9:31 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
When you have the volume and variety of products that ubiquiti
does, they can do things that nobody else can do especially when
they have some specialized 3rd party developers.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 24, 2015, at 8:52 AM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:


My view is with DPI, like virus scanning or spam filtering, you
are buying the updates as much as the platform.  If the
signatures and rules aren’t kept up to date, it loses value. 
Any vendor that uses this feature to sell hardware and doesn’t

charge a yearly fee may not understand the task.
*From:* Paul Stewart <mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>
*Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2015 7:38 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

LOL … I have a hard time with that term being used with Ubiquiti ;)

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2015 8:30 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

"Carrier Grade"

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jul 24, 2015 8:17 AM, "Paul Stewart" mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>> wrote:

Well it will be interesting … sure would be nice to see
someone “disrupt” I agree … but there have been lots of
folks try to provide “DPI” and fail badly as they didn’t
really understand what they were getting into… and doing it
on existing routers is usually the first mistake in my
opinion…..

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2015 1:27 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

They've got the resources to do it, would be nice to see
someone undercut the existing players.

On Thursday, July 23, 2015, Paul Stewart
mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>> wrote:

I have no idea but if it’s like other attempts I’ve seen
from companies to stack heavy CPU “stuff” into a router,
then stability and any type of scaling would be first
concerns. DPI is a very complex item to see someone like
Ubiquiti jump into in my opinion…

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*Jeremy
*Sent:* Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:13 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been
announced I'd assume any NDAs have been lifted.  Have
any of you been using this?  Any idea what type of
latency is added?  That pricing model is a whole lot
different from any DPI tool that I have ever seen

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

2015-07-24 Thread TJ Trout

Does this do only inspection or shaping based on inspection?

On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Jon Langeler 
wrote:

> I think they have different teams on each project and some are more
> resource limited. they need to spend some more 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 24, 2015, at 12:02 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>  Now if they could just release the U-NII-1 firmware for the Beam
> products.
> SOON!
>
>  *From:* Jon Langeler 
> *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2015 9:31 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
>
>  When you have the volume and variety of products that ubiquiti does,
> they can do things that nobody else can do especially when they have some
> specialized 3rd party developers.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 24, 2015, at 8:52 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>   My view is with DPI, like virus scanning or spam filtering, you are
> buying the updates as much as the platform.  If the signatures and rules
> aren’t kept up to date, it loses value.  Any vendor that uses this feature
> to sell hardware and doesn’t charge a yearly fee may not understand the
> task.
>
>
>  *From:* Paul Stewart 
> *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2015 7:38 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
>
>
> LOL … I have a hard time with that term being used with Ubiquiti ;)
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2015 8:30 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
>
>
>
> "Carrier Grade"
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Jul 24, 2015 8:17 AM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:
>
>  Well it will be interesting … sure would be nice to see someone
> “disrupt” I agree … but there have been lots of folks try to provide “DPI”
> and fail badly as they didn’t really understand what they were getting
> into… and doing it on existing routers is usually the first mistake in my
> opinion…..
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2015 1:27 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
>
>
>
> They've got the resources to do it, would be nice to see someone undercut
> the existing players.
>
> On Thursday, July 23, 2015, Paul Stewart  wrote:
>
>  I have no idea but if it’s like other attempts I’ve seen from companies
> to stack heavy CPU “stuff” into a router, then stability and any type of
> scaling would be first concerns.  DPI is a very complex item to see someone
> like Ubiquiti jump into in my opinion…
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Jeremy
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:13 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
>
>
>
> Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any
> NDAs have been lifted.  Have any of you been using this?  Any idea what
> type of latency is added?  That pricing model is a whole lot different from
> any DPI tool that I have ever seen
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

2015-07-24 Thread Jon Langeler

I think they have different teams on each project and some are more resource 
limited. they need to spend some more 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 24, 2015, at 12:02 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> Now if they could just release the U-NII-1 firmware for the Beam products.
> SOON!
>  
> From: Jon Langeler
> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 9:31 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
>  
> When you have the volume and variety of products that ubiquiti does, they can 
> do things that nobody else can do especially when they have some specialized 
> 3rd party developers. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 24, 2015, at 8:52 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>> 
>> My view is with DPI, like virus scanning or spam filtering, you are buying 
>> the updates as much as the platform.  If the signatures and rules aren’t 
>> kept up to date, it loses value.  Any vendor that uses this feature to sell 
>> hardware and doesn’t charge a yearly fee may not understand the task.
>>  
>>  
>> From: Paul Stewart
>> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 7:38 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
>>  
>> LOL … I have a hard time with that term being used with Ubiquiti ;)
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 8:30 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> "Carrier Grade"
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>> On Jul 24, 2015 8:17 AM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:
>> 
>> Well it will be interesting … sure would be nice to see someone “disrupt” I 
>> agree … but there have been lots of folks try to provide “DPI” and fail 
>> badly as they didn’t really understand what they were getting into… and 
>> doing it on existing routers is usually the first mistake in my opinion…..
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
>> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 1:27 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> They've got the resources to do it, would be nice to see someone undercut 
>> the existing players.
>> 
>> On Thursday, July 23, 2015, Paul Stewart  wrote:
>> 
>> I have no idea but if it’s like other attempts I’ve seen from companies to 
>> stack heavy CPU “stuff” into a router, then stability and any type of 
>> scaling would be first concerns.  DPI is a very complex item to see someone 
>> like Ubiquiti jump into in my opinion…
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
>> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:13 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any 
>> NDAs have been lifted.  Have any of you been using this?  Any idea what type 
>> of latency is added?  That pricing model is a whole lot different from any 
>> DPI tool that I have ever seen

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

2015-07-24 Thread Bill Prince


The problem when I do mail in a FIFO manner

bp


On 7/24/2015 11:36 AM, Paul Stewart wrote:


You missed my post 10 seconds later when the lightbulb went on ;)

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2015 2:03 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

Seriously?!?!

There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch.

That's a really old one.


bp


On 7/24/2015 7:27 AM, Paul Stewart wrote:

Google translator comes up empty on that one J

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Shayne Lebrun
*Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2015 10:16 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

TANSTAAFL.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
*Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2015 9:32 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

I understand what you’re saying … yes, people (like myself)
complaining about something free … totally understand that part.

But many times when a vendor brings in something major and new, it
often causes problems with code on routers/switches that has
worked perfectly fine for a long time.  To bring DPI into any
router involves a significant amount of codebase change very low
on the IP stack .. a lot can go wrong…

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Brett A
Mansfield
*Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2015 9:06 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

I had/have that concern as well. But it is mind boggling to me
that so many people are complaining about ubiquiti putting in this
value added feature (quite well I may add). I have never seen so
many complaints about features being added. Shouldn't we instead
complain about the needed features their products are missing?

Complaining about ubiquiti adding in DPI, even if it sucked, is
like complaining that you get a dozen free games when you buy an
XBox One. You may not like the games you get, but they are free
and you don't have to play them if you don't want.


Thank you,

Brett A Mansfield


On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:52 AM, Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

I think the thought is that DPI is a very intensive process
and if the router wasn't designed with enormous overhead or
hardware acceleration, it could be crippling. Maybe those
routers were...



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>

Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com


<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>



*From: *"Brett A Mansfield" mailto:li...@silverlakeinternet.com>>
    *To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Friday, July 24, 2015 7:50:02 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

I don't know why anyone would have a problem with them putting
this on existing routers. If you don't like their routers,
don't buy them. If you do like their routers but think a
feature shouldn't be there, don't enable it.

I think it's great that ubiquiti innovates the way they do.
They have some great products that blow other products out of
the water in one way or another. And it's forced other
companies to lower their seriously over priced equipment and
to rethink their strategies. Ubiquiti really is disrupting
things in the industry in only good ways.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:17 AM, Paul Stewart
mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>> wrote:

Well it will be interesting … sure would be nice to see
someone “disrupt” I agree … but there have been lots of
folks try to provide “DPI” and fail badly as they didn’t
really understand what they were getting into… and doing
it on existing routers is usually the first mistake in my
opinion…..

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
    *Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2015 1:27 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

They've got the resources to do it, would be nice to see
som

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

2015-07-24 Thread Paul Stewart

You missed my post 10 seconds later when the lightbulb went on ;) 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 2:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

Seriously?!?!

There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch.

That's a really old one. 

bp

On 7/24/2015 7:27 AM, Paul Stewart wrote:

Google translator comes up empty on that one :)

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Shayne Lebrun
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 10:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

TANSTAAFL.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 9:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

I understand what you’re saying … yes, people (like myself) complaining about 
something free … totally understand that part.

But many times when a vendor brings in something major and new, it often causes 
problems with code on routers/switches that has worked perfectly fine for a 
long time.  To bring DPI into any router involves a significant amount of 
codebase change very low on the IP stack .. a lot can go wrong… 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 9:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

I had/have that concern as well. But it is mind boggling to me that so many 
people are complaining about ubiquiti putting in this value added feature 
(quite well I may add). I have never seen so many complaints about features 
being added. Shouldn't we instead complain about the needed features their 
products are missing? 

Complaining about ubiquiti adding in DPI, even if it sucked, is like 
complaining that you get a dozen free games when you buy an XBox One. You may 
not like the games you get, but they are free and you don't have to play them 
if you don't want. 

Thank you,

Brett A Mansfield

On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:52 AM, Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

I think the thought is that DPI is a very intensive process and if the router 
wasn't designed with enormous overhead or hardware acceleration, it could be 
crippling. Maybe those routers were...

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 

Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com

 <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>  
<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> 

  _  

From: "Brett A Mansfield" mailto:li...@silverlakeinternet.com> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 7:50:02 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

I don't know why anyone would have a problem with them putting this on existing 
routers. If you don't like their routers, don't buy them. If you do like their 
routers but think a feature shouldn't be there, don't enable it. 

I think it's great that ubiquiti innovates the way they do. They have some 
great products that blow other products out of the water in one way or another. 
And it's forced other companies to lower their seriously over priced equipment 
and to rethink their strategies. Ubiquiti really is disrupting things in the 
industry in only good ways.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:17 AM, Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > wrote:

Well it will be interesting … sure would be nice to see someone “disrupt” I 
agree … but there have been lots of folks try to provide “DPI” and fail badly 
as they didn’t really understand what they were getting into… and doing it on 
existing routers is usually the first mistake in my opinion…..

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 1:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

They've got the resources to do it, would be nice to see someone undercut the 
existing players.

On Thursday, July 23, 2015, Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > wrote:

I have no idea but if it’s like other attempts I’ve seen from companies to 
stack heavy CPU “stuff” into a router, then stability and any type of scaling 
would be first concerns.  DPI is a very complex item to see someone like 
Ubiquiti jump into in my opinion…

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs 
have been lifted.  Have any of you been using this?  Any idea what type of 
latency is added?  That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI 
tool that I have ever seen

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

2015-07-24 Thread Bill Prince

Seriously?!?!

There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch.

That's a really old one.

On 7/24/2015 7:27 AM, Paul Stewart wrote:

Google translator comes up empty on that one J

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Shayne Lebrun
*Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2015 10:16 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

TANSTAAFL.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
*Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2015 9:32 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

I understand what you’re saying … yes, people (like myself)
complaining about something free … totally understand that part.

But many times when a vendor brings in something major and new, it
often causes problems with code on routers/switches that has worked
perfectly fine for a long time. To bring DPI into any router involves
a significant amount of codebase change very low on the IP stack .. a
lot can go wrong…

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Brett A Mansfield
*Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2015 9:06 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

I had/have that concern as well. But it is mind boggling to me that so
many people are complaining about ubiquiti putting in this value added
feature (quite well I may add). I have never seen so many complaints
about features being added. Shouldn't we instead complain about the
needed features their products are missing?

Complaining about ubiquiti adding in DPI, even if it sucked, is like
complaining that you get a dozen free games when you buy an XBox One.
You may not like the games you get, but they are free and you don't
have to play them if you don't want.

Thank you,

Brett A Mansfield

On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:52 AM, Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

I think the thought is that DPI is a very intensive process and if
the router wasn't designed with enormous overhead or hardware
acceleration, it could be crippling. Maybe those routers were...

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>

Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com

<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>

*From: *"Brett A Mansfield" mailto:li...@silverlakeinternet.com>>
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Friday, July 24, 2015 7:50:02 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

I don't know why anyone would have a problem with them putting
this on existing routers. If you don't like their routers, don't
buy them. If you do like their routers but think a feature
shouldn't be there, don't enable it.

I think it's great that ubiquiti innovates the way they do. They
have some great products that blow other products out of the water
in one way or another. And it's forced other companies to lower
their seriously over priced equipment and to rethink their
strategies. Ubiquiti really is disrupting things in the industry
in only good ways.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:17 AM, Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>> wrote:

Well it will be interesting … sure would be nice to see
someone “disrupt” I agree … but there have been lots of folks
try to provide “DPI” and fail badly as they didn’t really
understand what they were getting into… and doing it on
existing routers is usually the first mistake in my opinion…..

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason
McKemie
*Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2015 1:27 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

They've got the resources to do it, would be nice to see
someone undercut the existing players.

On Thursday, July 23, 2015, Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>> wrote:

I have no idea but if it’s like other attempts I’ve seen
from companies to stack heavy CPU “stuff” into a router,
then stability and any type of scaling would be first
concerns. DPI is a very complex item to see someone like
Ubiquiti jump into in my opinion…

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
*Sent:* Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:13 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

2015-07-24 Thread Ken Hohhof

Now if they could just release the U-NII-1 firmware for the Beam products.
SOON!

From: Jon Langeler 
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 9:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

When you have the volume and variety of products that ubiquiti does, they can 
do things that nobody else can do especially when they have some specialized 
3rd party developers. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 24, 2015, at 8:52 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  My view is with DPI, like virus scanning or spam filtering, you are buying 
the updates as much as the platform.  If the signatures and rules aren’t kept 
up to date, it loses value.  Any vendor that uses this feature to sell hardware 
and doesn’t charge a yearly fee may not understand the task.

  From: Paul Stewart 
  Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 7:38 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

  LOL … I have a hard time with that term being used with Ubiquiti ;)

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
  Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 8:30 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

  "Carrier Grade"

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Jul 24, 2015 8:17 AM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:

Well it will be interesting … sure would be nice to see someone “disrupt” I 
agree … but there have been lots of folks try to provide “DPI” and fail badly 
as they didn’t really understand what they were getting into… and doing it on 
existing routers is usually the first mistake in my opinion…..

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 1:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

They've got the resources to do it, would be nice to see someone undercut 
the existing players.

On Thursday, July 23, 2015, Paul Stewart  wrote:

  I have no idea but if it’s like other attempts I’ve seen from companies 
to stack heavy CPU “stuff” into a router, then stability and any type of 
scaling would be first concerns.  DPI is a very complex item to see someone 
like Ubiquiti jump into in my opinion…

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
  Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:13 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

  Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any 
NDAs have been lifted.  Have any of you been using this?  Any idea what type of 
latency is added?  That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI 
tool that I have ever seen

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

2015-07-24 Thread Jon Langeler

When you have the volume and variety of products that ubiquiti does, they can 
do things that nobody else can do especially when they have some specialized 
3rd party developers. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 24, 2015, at 8:52 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> My view is with DPI, like virus scanning or spam filtering, you are buying 
> the updates as much as the platform.  If the signatures and rules aren’t kept 
> up to date, it loses value.  Any vendor that uses this feature to sell 
> hardware and doesn’t charge a yearly fee may not understand the task.
>  
>  
> From: Paul Stewart
> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 7:38 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
>  
> LOL … I have a hard time with that term being used with Ubiquiti ;)
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 8:30 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
>  
> "Carrier Grade"
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Jul 24, 2015 8:17 AM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:
> Well it will be interesting … sure would be nice to see someone “disrupt” I 
> agree … but there have been lots of folks try to provide “DPI” and fail badly 
> as they didn’t really understand what they were getting into… and doing it on 
> existing routers is usually the first mistake in my opinion…..
>  
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 1:27 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
>  
> They've got the resources to do it, would be nice to see someone undercut the 
> existing players.
> 
> On Thursday, July 23, 2015, Paul Stewart  wrote:
> I have no idea but if it’s like other attempts I’ve seen from companies to 
> stack heavy CPU “stuff” into a router, then stability and any type of scaling 
> would be first concerns.  DPI is a very complex item to see someone like 
> Ubiquiti jump into in my opinion…
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On  Behalf Of Jeremy
> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:13 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
>  
> Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs 
> have been lifted.  Have any of you been using this?  Any idea what type of 
> latency is added?  That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI 
> tool that I have ever seen

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

2015-07-24 Thread Paul Stewart

A… got it! :)  “There ain’t no such thing as a free lunch” … 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Shayne Lebrun
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 10:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

TANSTAAFL.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 9:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

I understand what you’re saying … yes, people (like myself) complaining about 
something free … totally understand that part.

But many times when a vendor brings in something major and new, it often causes 
problems with code on routers/switches that has worked perfectly fine for a 
long time.  To bring DPI into any router involves a significant amount of 
codebase change very low on the IP stack .. a lot can go wrong… 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 9:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

I had/have that concern as well. But it is mind boggling to me that so many 
people are complaining about ubiquiti putting in this value added feature 
(quite well I may add). I have never seen so many complaints about features 
being added. Shouldn't we instead complain about the needed features their 
products are missing? 

Complaining about ubiquiti adding in DPI, even if it sucked, is like 
complaining that you get a dozen free games when you buy an XBox One. You may 
not like the games you get, but they are free and you don't have to play them 
if you don't want. 

Thank you,

Brett A Mansfield

On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:52 AM, Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

I think the thought is that DPI is a very intensive process and if the router 
wasn't designed with enormous overhead or hardware acceleration, it could be 
crippling. Maybe those routers were...

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 

Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com

 <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>  
<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> 

  _  

From: "Brett A Mansfield" mailto:li...@silverlakeinternet.com> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 7:50:02 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

I don't know why anyone would have a problem with them putting this on existing 
routers. If you don't like their routers, don't buy them. If you do like their 
routers but think a feature shouldn't be there, don't enable it. 

I think it's great that ubiquiti innovates the way they do. They have some 
great products that blow other products out of the water in one way or another. 
And it's forced other companies to lower their seriously over priced equipment 
and to rethink their strategies. Ubiquiti really is disrupting things in the 
industry in only good ways.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:17 AM, Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > wrote:

Well it will be interesting … sure would be nice to see someone “disrupt” I 
agree … but there have been lots of folks try to provide “DPI” and fail badly 
as they didn’t really understand what they were getting into… and doing it on 
existing routers is usually the first mistake in my opinion…..

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 1:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

They've got the resources to do it, would be nice to see someone undercut the 
existing players.

On Thursday, July 23, 2015, Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > wrote:

I have no idea but if it’s like other attempts I’ve seen from companies to 
stack heavy CPU “stuff” into a router, then stability and any type of scaling 
would be first concerns.  DPI is a very complex item to see someone like 
Ubiquiti jump into in my opinion…

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs 
have been lifted.  Have any of you been using this?  Any idea what type of 
latency is added?  That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI 
tool that I have ever seen

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

2015-07-24 Thread Paul Stewart

Google translator comes up empty on that one :)

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Shayne Lebrun
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 10:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

TANSTAAFL.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 9:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

I understand what you’re saying … yes, people (like myself) complaining about 
something free … totally understand that part.

But many times when a vendor brings in something major and new, it often causes 
problems with code on routers/switches that has worked perfectly fine for a 
long time.  To bring DPI into any router involves a significant amount of 
codebase change very low on the IP stack .. a lot can go wrong… 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 9:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

I had/have that concern as well. But it is mind boggling to me that so many 
people are complaining about ubiquiti putting in this value added feature 
(quite well I may add). I have never seen so many complaints about features 
being added. Shouldn't we instead complain about the needed features their 
products are missing? 

Complaining about ubiquiti adding in DPI, even if it sucked, is like 
complaining that you get a dozen free games when you buy an XBox One. You may 
not like the games you get, but they are free and you don't have to play them 
if you don't want. 

Thank you,

Brett A Mansfield

On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:52 AM, Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

I think the thought is that DPI is a very intensive process and if the router 
wasn't designed with enormous overhead or hardware acceleration, it could be 
crippling. Maybe those routers were...

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 

Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com

 <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>  
<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> 

  _  

From: "Brett A Mansfield" mailto:li...@silverlakeinternet.com> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 7:50:02 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

I don't know why anyone would have a problem with them putting this on existing 
routers. If you don't like their routers, don't buy them. If you do like their 
routers but think a feature shouldn't be there, don't enable it. 

I think it's great that ubiquiti innovates the way they do. They have some 
great products that blow other products out of the water in one way or another. 
And it's forced other companies to lower their seriously over priced equipment 
and to rethink their strategies. Ubiquiti really is disrupting things in the 
industry in only good ways.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:17 AM, Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > wrote:

Well it will be interesting … sure would be nice to see someone “disrupt” I 
agree … but there have been lots of folks try to provide “DPI” and fail badly 
as they didn’t really understand what they were getting into… and doing it on 
existing routers is usually the first mistake in my opinion…..

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 1:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

They've got the resources to do it, would be nice to see someone undercut the 
existing players.

On Thursday, July 23, 2015, Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > wrote:

I have no idea but if it’s like other attempts I’ve seen from companies to 
stack heavy CPU “stuff” into a router, then stability and any type of scaling 
would be first concerns.  DPI is a very complex item to see someone like 
Ubiquiti jump into in my opinion…

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs 
have been lifted.  Have any of you been using this?  Any idea what type of 
latency is added?  That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI 
tool that I have ever seen

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

2015-07-24 Thread Shayne Lebrun

TANSTAAFL.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 9:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

I understand what you’re saying … yes, people (like myself) complaining about 
something free … totally understand that part.

But many times when a vendor brings in something major and new, it often causes 
problems with code on routers/switches that has worked perfectly fine for a 
long time.  To bring DPI into any router involves a significant amount of 
codebase change very low on the IP stack .. a lot can go wrong… 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 9:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

I had/have that concern as well. But it is mind boggling to me that so many 
people are complaining about ubiquiti putting in this value added feature 
(quite well I may add). I have never seen so many complaints about features 
being added. Shouldn't we instead complain about the needed features their 
products are missing? 

Complaining about ubiquiti adding in DPI, even if it sucked, is like 
complaining that you get a dozen free games when you buy an XBox One. You may 
not like the games you get, but they are free and you don't have to play them 
if you don't want. 

Thank you,

Brett A Mansfield

On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:52 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

I think the thought is that DPI is a very intensive process and if the router 
wasn't designed with enormous overhead or hardware acceleration, it could be 
crippling. Maybe those routers were...

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 

Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com

 <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>  
<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> 

  _  

From: "Brett A Mansfield" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 7:50:02 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

I don't know why anyone would have a problem with them putting this on existing 
routers. If you don't like their routers, don't buy them. If you do like their 
routers but think a feature shouldn't be there, don't enable it. 

I think it's great that ubiquiti innovates the way they do. They have some 
great products that blow other products out of the water in one way or another. 
And it's forced other companies to lower their seriously over priced equipment 
and to rethink their strategies. Ubiquiti really is disrupting things in the 
industry in only good ways.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:17 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

Well it will be interesting … sure would be nice to see someone “disrupt” I 
agree … but there have been lots of folks try to provide “DPI” and fail badly 
as they didn’t really understand what they were getting into… and doing it on 
existing routers is usually the first mistake in my opinion…..

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 1:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

They've got the resources to do it, would be nice to see someone undercut the 
existing players.

On Thursday, July 23, 2015, Paul Stewart  wrote:

I have no idea but if it’s like other attempts I’ve seen from companies to 
stack heavy CPU “stuff” into a router, then stability and any type of scaling 
would be first concerns.  DPI is a very complex item to see someone like 
Ubiquiti jump into in my opinion…

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs 
have been lifted.  Have any of you been using this?  Any idea what type of 
latency is added?  That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI 
tool that I have ever seen

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

2015-07-24 Thread Simon Westlake

I think it's cool. I'm probably going to buy an ER now just to check it
out. But reading the caveats and the capabilities of it - it is
certainly not a replacement for something like a Procera. But, for
someone that is just looking for a way to identify some application
traffic, especially as a free update, it's pretty impressive.

On 7/24/2015 8:06 AM, Brett A Mansfield wrote:
I had/have that concern as well. But it is mind boggling to me that so
many people are complaining about ubiquiti putting in this value added
feature (quite well I may add). I have never seen so many complaints
about features being added. Shouldn't we instead complain about the
needed features their products are missing?

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:52 AM, Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

I think the thought is that DPI is a very intensive process and if
the router wasn't designed with enormous overhead or hardware
acceleration, it could be crippling. Maybe those routers were...

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>

Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com

<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>

*From: *"Brett A Mansfield" <mailto:li...@silverlakeinternet.com>>

*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Friday, July 24, 2015 7:50:02 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

I don't know why anyone would have a problem with them putting this
on existing routers. If you don't like their routers, don't buy them.
If you do like their routers but think a feature shouldn't be there,
don't enable it.

I think it's great that ubiquiti innovates the way they do. They have
some great products that blow other products out of the water in one
way or another. And it's forced other companies to lower their
seriously over priced equipment and to rethink their strategies.
Ubiquiti really is disrupting things in the industry in only good ways.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:17 AM, Paul Stewart <mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>> wrote:

Well it will be interesting … sure would be nice to see someone
“disrupt” I agree … but there have been lots of folks try to
provide “DPI” and fail badly as they didn’t really understand
what they were getting into… and doing it on existing routers is
usually the first mistake in my opinion…..

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2015 1:27 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

They've got the resources to do it, would be nice to see someone
undercut the existing players.

On Thursday, July 23, 2015, Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>> wrote:

I have no idea but if it’s like other attempts I’ve seen from
companies to stack heavy CPU “stuff” into a router, then
stability and any type of scaling would be first concerns.
DPI is a very complex item to see someone like Ubiquiti jump

into in my opinion…

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
*Sent:* Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:13 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd
assume any NDAs have been lifted. Have any of you been using
this? Any idea what type of latency is added? That pricing
model is a whole lot different from any DPI tool that I have
ever seen

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

2015-07-24 Thread Paul Stewart

I understand what you’re saying … yes, people (like myself) complaining about 
something free … totally understand that part.

 

But many times when a vendor brings in something major and new, it often causes 
problems with code on routers/switches that has worked perfectly fine for a 
long time.  To bring DPI into any router involves a significant amount of 
codebase change very low on the IP stack .. a lot can go wrong… 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 9:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

 

I had/have that concern as well. But it is mind boggling to me that so many 
people are complaining about ubiquiti putting in this value added feature 
(quite well I may add). I have never seen so many complaints about features 
being added. Shouldn't we instead complain about the needed features their 
products are missing? 

 

Complaining about ubiquiti adding in DPI, even if it sucked, is like 
complaining that you get a dozen free games when you buy an XBox One. You may 
not like the games you get, but they are free and you don't have to play them 
if you don't want. 


Thank you,

Brett A Mansfield


On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:52 AM, Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

I think the thought is that DPI is a very intensive process and if the router 
wasn't designed with enormous overhead or hardware acceleration, it could be 
crippling. Maybe those routers were...



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 

Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com

 <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>  
<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> 


  _  


From: "Brett A Mansfield" mailto:li...@silverlakeinternet.com> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 7:50:02 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

I don't know why anyone would have a problem with them putting this on existing 
routers. If you don't like their routers, don't buy them. If you do like their 
routers but think a feature shouldn't be there, don't enable it. 

 

I think it's great that ubiquiti innovates the way they do. They have some 
great products that blow other products out of the water in one way or another. 
And it's forced other companies to lower their seriously over priced equipment 
and to rethink their strategies. Ubiquiti really is disrupting things in the 
industry in only good ways.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:17 AM, Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > wrote:

Well it will be interesting … sure would be nice to see someone “disrupt” I 
agree … but there have been lots of folks try to provide “DPI” and fail badly 
as they didn’t really understand what they were getting into… and doing it on 
existing routers is usually the first mistake in my opinion…..

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 1:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

 

They've got the resources to do it, would be nice to see someone undercut the 
existing players.

On Thursday, July 23, 2015, Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > wrote:

I have no idea but if it’s like other attempts I’ve seen from companies to 
stack heavy CPU “stuff” into a router, then stability and any type of scaling 
would be first concerns.  DPI is a very complex item to see someone like 
Ubiquiti jump into in my opinion…

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

 

Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs 
have been lifted.  Have any of you been using this?  Any idea what type of 
latency is added?  That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI 
tool that I have ever seen

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

2015-07-24 Thread Paul Stewart

Yup… and sometimes “perceived value” is just as important … perhaps they found 
a way to roll out DPI and fully support it … a DPI that works and is 
updated/supported … that would truly be awesome.

 

But sometimes to get people to “buy in” to stuff there has to be some kind of 
value … and the value of “oh we include that for free” works negatively in a 
lot of situations – especially for those folks that have been working with 
various DPI gear for a long time.  It’s hard to take it seriously is what I’m 
saying…

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 8:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

 

My view is with DPI, like virus scanning or spam filtering, you are buying the 
updates as much as the platform.  If the signatures and rules aren’t kept up to 
date, it loses value.  Any vendor that uses this feature to sell hardware and 
doesn’t charge a yearly fee may not understand the task.

 

 

From: Paul Stewart <mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>  

Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 7:38 AM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

 

LOL … I have a hard time with that term being used with Ubiquiti ;)

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 8:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

 

"Carrier Grade"

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jul 24, 2015 8:17 AM, "Paul Stewart" mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > wrote:

Well it will be interesting … sure would be nice to see someone “disrupt” I 
agree … but there have been lots of folks try to provide “DPI” and fail badly 
as they didn’t really understand what they were getting into… and doing it on 
existing routers is usually the first mistake in my opinion…..

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 1:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

 

They've got the resources to do it, would be nice to see someone undercut the 
existing players.

On Thursday, July 23, 2015, Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > wrote:

I have no idea but if it’s like other attempts I’ve seen from companies to 
stack heavy CPU “stuff” into a router, then stability and any type of scaling 
would be first concerns.  DPI is a very complex item to see someone like 
Ubiquiti jump into in my opinion…

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

 

Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs 
have been lifted.  Have any of you been using this?  Any idea what type of 
latency is added?  That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI 
tool that I have ever seen

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

2015-07-24 Thread Paul Stewart

Because routers typically don’t have the “horsepower” to drive DPI related 
tasks.  Every major DPI vendor uses a series of (typically custom) ASIC’s to 
offload the intensive processing required.   I would also question if Ubiquiti 
is really loading up the internal resources required to support something they 
are giving away for free… 

 

I think Ubiquiti has done a great job at disrupting for sure .. and I know that 
myself personally am going to spend some time again looking at their stuff and 
try to understand where it “fits”.But name one company that has had to 
“lower their seriously over priced equipment and to rethink their strategies” 
because of Ubiquiti routers/switches?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 8:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

 

I don't know why anyone would have a problem with them putting this on existing 
routers. If you don't like their routers, don't buy them. If you do like their 
routers but think a feature shouldn't be there, don't enable it. 

 

I think it's great that ubiquiti innovates the way they do. They have some 
great products that blow other products out of the water in one way or another. 
And it's forced other companies to lower their seriously over priced equipment 
and to rethink their strategies. Ubiquiti really is disrupting things in the 
industry in only good ways.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:17 AM, Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > wrote:

Well it will be interesting … sure would be nice to see someone “disrupt” I 
agree … but there have been lots of folks try to provide “DPI” and fail badly 
as they didn’t really understand what they were getting into… and doing it on 
existing routers is usually the first mistake in my opinion…..

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 1:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

 

They've got the resources to do it, would be nice to see someone undercut the 
existing players.

On Thursday, July 23, 2015, Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > wrote:

I have no idea but if it’s like other attempts I’ve seen from companies to 
stack heavy CPU “stuff” into a router, then stability and any type of scaling 
would be first concerns.  DPI is a very complex item to see someone like 
Ubiquiti jump into in my opinion…

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com 
 ] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

 

Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs 
have been lifted.  Have any of you been using this?  Any idea what type of 
latency is added?  That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI 
tool that I have ever seen

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

2015-07-24 Thread Brett A Mansfield

I had/have that concern as well. But it is mind boggling to me that so many 
people are complaining about ubiquiti putting in this value added feature 
(quite well I may add). I have never seen so many complaints about features 
being added. Shouldn't we instead complain about the needed features their 
products are missing? 

Complaining about ubiquiti adding in DPI, even if it sucked, is like 
complaining that you get a dozen free games when you buy an XBox One. You may 
not like the games you get, but they are free and you don't have to play them 
if you don't want. 

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:52 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> I think the thought is that DPI is a very intensive process and if the router 
> wasn't designed with enormous overhead or hardware acceleration, it could be 
> crippling. Maybe those routers were...
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
> 
> 
> From: "Brett A Mansfield" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 7:50:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
> 
> I don't know why anyone would have a problem with them putting this on 
> existing routers. If you don't like their routers, don't buy them. If you do 
> like their routers but think a feature shouldn't be there, don't enable it. 
> 
> I think it's great that ubiquiti innovates the way they do. They have some 
> great products that blow other products out of the water in one way or 
> another. And it's forced other companies to lower their seriously over priced 
> equipment and to rethink their strategies. Ubiquiti really is disrupting 
> things in the industry in only good ways.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:17 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:
> 
> Well it will be interesting … sure would be nice to see someone “disrupt” I 
> agree … but there have been lots of folks try to provide “DPI” and fail badly 
> as they didn’t really understand what they were getting into… and doing it on 
> existing routers is usually the first mistake in my opinion…..
>  
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 1:27 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
>  
> They've got the resources to do it, would be nice to see someone undercut the 
> existing players.
> 
> On Thursday, July 23, 2015, Paul Stewart  wrote:
> I have no idea but if it’s like other attempts I’ve seen from companies to 
> stack heavy CPU “stuff” into a router, then stability and any type of scaling 
> would be first concerns.  DPI is a very complex item to see someone like 
> Ubiquiti jump into in my opinion…
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:13 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
>  
> Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs 
> have been lifted.  Have any of you been using this?  Any idea what type of 
> latency is added?  That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI 
> tool that I have ever seen
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

2015-07-24 Thread Ken Hohhof

My view is with DPI, like virus scanning or spam filtering, you are buying the 
updates as much as the platform.  If the signatures and rules aren’t kept up to 
date, it loses value.  Any vendor that uses this feature to sell hardware and 
doesn’t charge a yearly fee may not understand the task.

From: Paul Stewart 
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 7:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

LOL … I have a hard time with that term being used with Ubiquiti ;)

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 8:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

"Carrier Grade"

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jul 24, 2015 8:17 AM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:

  Well it will be interesting … sure would be nice to see someone “disrupt” I 
agree … but there have been lots of folks try to provide “DPI” and fail badly 
as they didn’t really understand what they were getting into… and doing it on 
existing routers is usually the first mistake in my opinion…..

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
  Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 1:27 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

  They've got the resources to do it, would be nice to see someone undercut the 
existing players.

  On Thursday, July 23, 2015, Paul Stewart  wrote:

I have no idea but if it’s like other attempts I’ve seen from companies to 
stack heavy CPU “stuff” into a router, then stability and any type of scaling 
would be first concerns.  DPI is a very complex item to see someone like 
Ubiquiti jump into in my opinion…

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any 
NDAs have been lifted.  Have any of you been using this?  Any idea what type of 
latency is added?  That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI 
tool that I have ever seen

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

2015-07-24 Thread Mike Hammett

I think the thought is that DPI is a very intensive process and if the router 
wasn't designed with enormous overhead or hardware acceleration, it could be 
crippling. Maybe those routers were... 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Brett A Mansfield"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 7:50:02 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? 


I don't know why anyone would have a problem with them putting this on existing 
routers. If you don't like their routers, don't buy them. If you do like their 
routers but think a feature shouldn't be there, don't enable it. 


I think it's great that ubiquiti innovates the way they do. They have some 
great products that blow other products out of the water in one way or another. 
And it's forced other companies to lower their seriously over priced equipment 
and to rethink their strategies. Ubiquiti really is disrupting things in the 
industry in only good ways. 

Sent from my iPhone 

On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:17 AM, Paul Stewart < p...@paulstewart.org > wrote: 






Well it will be interesting … sure would be nice to see someone “disrupt” I 
agree … but there have been lots of folks try to provide “DPI” and fail badly 
as they didn’t really understand what they were getting into… and doing it on 
existing routers is usually the first mistake in my opinion….. 


From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie 
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 1:27 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? 

They've got the resources to do it, would be nice to see someone undercut the 
existing players. 

On Thursday, July 23, 2015, Paul Stewart < p...@paulstewart.org > wrote: 




I have no idea but if it’s like other attempts I’ve seen from companies to 
stack heavy CPU “stuff” into a router, then stability and any type of scaling 
would be first concerns. DPI is a very complex item to see someone like 
Ubiquiti jump into in my opinion… 

From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jeremy 
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:13 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI? 


Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs 
have been lifted. Have any of you been using this? Any idea what type of 
latency is added? That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI tool 
that I have ever seen

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

2015-07-24 Thread Brett A Mansfield

I don't know why anyone would have a problem with them putting this on existing 
routers. If you don't like their routers, don't buy them. If you do like their 
routers but think a feature shouldn't be there, don't enable it. 

I think it's great that ubiquiti innovates the way they do. They have some 
great products that blow other products out of the water in one way or another. 
And it's forced other companies to lower their seriously over priced equipment 
and to rethink their strategies. Ubiquiti really is disrupting things in the 
industry in only good ways.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:17 AM, Paul Stewart  wrote:
> 
> Well it will be interesting … sure would be nice to see someone “disrupt” I 
> agree … but there have been lots of folks try to provide “DPI” and fail badly 
> as they didn’t really understand what they were getting into… and doing it on 
> existing routers is usually the first mistake in my opinion…..
>  
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 1:27 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
>  
> They've got the resources to do it, would be nice to see someone undercut the 
> existing players.
> 
> On Thursday, July 23, 2015, Paul Stewart  wrote:
> I have no idea but if it’s like other attempts I’ve seen from companies to 
> stack heavy CPU “stuff” into a router, then stability and any type of scaling 
> would be first concerns.  DPI is a very complex item to see someone like 
> Ubiquiti jump into in my opinion…
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:13 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
>  
> Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs 
> have been lifted.  Have any of you been using this?  Any idea what type of 
> latency is added?  That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI 
> tool that I have ever seen

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

2015-07-24 Thread Paul Stewart

LOL … I have a hard time with that term being used with Ubiquiti ;)

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 8:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

"Carrier Grade"

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jul 24, 2015 8:17 AM, "Paul Stewart" mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > wrote:

Well it will be interesting … sure would be nice to see someone “disrupt” I 
agree … but there have been lots of folks try to provide “DPI” and fail badly 
as they didn’t really understand what they were getting into… and doing it on 
existing routers is usually the first mistake in my opinion…..

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 1:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

They've got the resources to do it, would be nice to see someone undercut the 
existing players.

On Thursday, July 23, 2015, Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > wrote:

I have no idea but if it’s like other attempts I’ve seen from companies to 
stack heavy CPU “stuff” into a router, then stability and any type of scaling 
would be first concerns.  DPI is a very complex item to see someone like 
Ubiquiti jump into in my opinion…

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs 
have been lifted.  Have any of you been using this?  Any idea what type of 
latency is added?  That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI 
tool that I have ever seen

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

2015-07-24 Thread Josh Luthman

"Carrier Grade"

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jul 24, 2015 8:17 AM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:

> Well it will be interesting … sure would be nice to see someone “disrupt”
> I agree … but there have been lots of folks try to provide “DPI” and fail
> badly as they didn’t really understand what they were getting into… and
> doing it on existing routers is usually the first mistake in my opinion…..
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2015 1:27 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
>
>
>
> They've got the resources to do it, would be nice to see someone undercut
> the existing players.
>
> On Thursday, July 23, 2015, Paul Stewart  wrote:
>
> I have no idea but if it’s like other attempts I’ve seen from companies to
> stack heavy CPU “stuff” into a router, then stability and any type of
> scaling would be first concerns.  DPI is a very complex item to see someone
> like Ubiquiti jump into in my opinion…
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:13 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
>
>
>
> Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any
> NDAs have been lifted.  Have any of you been using this?  Any idea what
> type of latency is added?  That pricing model is a whole lot different from
> any DPI tool that I have ever seen
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

2015-07-24 Thread Paul Stewart

Well it will be interesting … sure would be nice to see someone “disrupt” I 
agree … but there have been lots of folks try to provide “DPI” and fail badly 
as they didn’t really understand what they were getting into… and doing it on 
existing routers is usually the first mistake in my opinion…..

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 1:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

 

They've got the resources to do it, would be nice to see someone undercut the 
existing players.

On Thursday, July 23, 2015, Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org> > wrote:

I have no idea but if it’s like other attempts I’ve seen from companies to 
stack heavy CPU “stuff” into a router, then stability and any type of scaling 
would be first concerns.  DPI is a very complex item to see someone like 
Ubiquiti jump into in my opinion…

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com 
 ] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

 

Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs 
have been lifted.  Have any of you been using this?  Any idea what type of 
latency is added?  That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI 
tool that I have ever seen

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

2015-07-23 Thread Jason McKemie

They've got the resources to do it, would be nice to see someone undercut
the existing players.

On Thursday, July 23, 2015, Paul Stewart  wrote:

> I have no idea but if it’s like other attempts I’ve seen from companies to
> stack heavy CPU “stuff” into a router, then stability and any type of
> scaling would be first concerns.  DPI is a very complex item to see someone
> like Ubiquiti jump into in my opinion…
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *
> Jeremy
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:13 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?
>
>
>
> Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any
> NDAs have been lifted.  Have any of you been using this?  Any idea what
> type of latency is added?  That pricing model is a whole lot different from
> any DPI tool that I have ever seen
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

2015-07-23 Thread Paul Stewart

I have no idea but if it’s like other attempts I’ve seen from companies to 
stack heavy CPU “stuff” into a router, then stability and any type of scaling 
would be first concerns.  DPI is a very complex item to see someone like 
Ubiquiti jump into in my opinion…

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 7:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs 
have been lifted.  Have any of you been using this?  Any idea what type of 
latency is added?  That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI 
tool that I have ever seen

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

2015-07-23 Thread Josh Luthman

Well you'd get in the devs face if it was busted!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jul 23, 2015 10:15 PM, "Matt Hardy"  wrote:

> I haven't had any issues in our deep-south office ;)
>
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 8:54 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> Are they all west coast testers?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Jul 23, 2015 8:33 PM, "Ben Moore"  wrote:
>>
>>> OK Thanks.  Please let us know if you test again and any issues.  The
>>> beta customers and customers that have been using since have been happy
>>> (have not heard of other complaints).
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ben
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Brett A Mansfield <
>>> li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:
>>>
 It was not beta. It was the day 1.7.0 was GA. It is possible that it
 was not the DPI, but it's been stable since I shut off DPI. I never
 contacted support because I've been too busy and DPI is a luxury to me, not
 a necessity.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 23, 2015, at 6:04 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:

 Hi Brett -

 Was this while in beta?  What did support have to say with issue?

 Thanks,
 Ben

 On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 6:03 PM, Brett A Mansfield <
 li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:

> I had dpi running for one day in my ER Pro 8 and it panicked in less
> that 24 hours. I turned it off and it's been good since.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:13 PM, Jeremy  wrote:
> >
> > Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume
> any NDAs have been lifted.  Have any of you been using this?  Any idea 
> what
> type of latency is added?  That pricing model is a whole lot different 
> from
> any DPI tool that I have ever seen
>
>

>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

2015-07-23 Thread Matt Hardy

I haven't had any issues in our deep-south office ;)

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 8:54 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Are they all west coast testers?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Jul 23, 2015 8:33 PM, "Ben Moore"  wrote:
>
>> OK Thanks.  Please let us know if you test again and any issues.  The
>> beta customers and customers that have been using since have been happy
>> (have not heard of other complaints).
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ben
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Brett A Mansfield <
>> li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It was not beta. It was the day 1.7.0 was GA. It is possible that it was
>>> not the DPI, but it's been stable since I shut off DPI. I never contacted
>>> support because I've been too busy and DPI is a luxury to me, not a
>>> necessity.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 23, 2015, at 6:04 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Brett -
>>>
>>> Was this while in beta?  What did support have to say with issue?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ben
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 6:03 PM, Brett A Mansfield <
>>> li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:
>>>
 I had dpi running for one day in my ER Pro 8 and it panicked in less
 that 24 hours. I turned it off and it's been good since.

 Sent from my iPhone

 > On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:13 PM, Jeremy  wrote:
 >
 > Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume
 any NDAs have been lifted.  Have any of you been using this?  Any idea what
 type of latency is added?  That pricing model is a whole lot different from
 any DPI tool that I have ever seen


>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

2015-07-23 Thread Josh Luthman

Are they all west coast testers?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jul 23, 2015 8:33 PM, "Ben Moore"  wrote:

> OK Thanks.  Please let us know if you test again and any issues.  The beta
> customers and customers that have been using since have been happy (have
> not heard of other complaints).
>
> Thanks,
> Ben
>
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Brett A Mansfield <
> li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> It was not beta. It was the day 1.7.0 was GA. It is possible that it was
>> not the DPI, but it's been stable since I shut off DPI. I never contacted
>> support because I've been too busy and DPI is a luxury to me, not a
>> necessity.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 23, 2015, at 6:04 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Brett -
>>
>> Was this while in beta?  What did support have to say with issue?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ben
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 6:03 PM, Brett A Mansfield <
>> li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I had dpi running for one day in my ER Pro 8 and it panicked in less
>>> that 24 hours. I turned it off and it's been good since.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> > On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:13 PM, Jeremy  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume
>>> any NDAs have been lifted.  Have any of you been using this?  Any idea what
>>> type of latency is added?  That pricing model is a whole lot different from
>>> any DPI tool that I have ever seen
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

2015-07-23 Thread Ben Moore

OK Thanks.  Please let us know if you test again and any issues.  The beta
customers and customers that have been using since have been happy (have
not heard of other complaints).

Thanks,
Ben

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Brett A Mansfield <
li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:

> It was not beta. It was the day 1.7.0 was GA. It is possible that it was
> not the DPI, but it's been stable since I shut off DPI. I never contacted
> support because I've been too busy and DPI is a luxury to me, not a
> necessity.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 23, 2015, at 6:04 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:
>
> Hi Brett -
>
> Was this while in beta?  What did support have to say with issue?
>
> Thanks,
> Ben
>
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 6:03 PM, Brett A Mansfield <
> li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> I had dpi running for one day in my ER Pro 8 and it panicked in less that
>> 24 hours. I turned it off and it's been good since.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:13 PM, Jeremy  wrote:
>> >
>> > Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume
>> any NDAs have been lifted.  Have any of you been using this?  Any idea what
>> type of latency is added?  That pricing model is a whole lot different from
>> any DPI tool that I have ever seen
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

2015-07-23 Thread Brett A Mansfield

It was not beta. It was the day 1.7.0 was GA. It is possible that it was not 
the DPI, but it's been stable since I shut off DPI. I never contacted support 
because I've been too busy and DPI is a luxury to me, not a necessity. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2015, at 6:04 PM, Ben Moore  wrote:
> 
> Hi Brett - 
> 
> Was this while in beta?  What did support have to say with issue?  
> 
> Thanks,
> Ben
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 6:03 PM, Brett A Mansfield 
>>  wrote:
>> I had dpi running for one day in my ER Pro 8 and it panicked in less that 24 
>> hours. I turned it off and it's been good since.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:13 PM, Jeremy  wrote:
>> >
>> > Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any 
>> > NDAs have been lifted.  Have any of you been using this?  Any idea what 
>> > type of latency is added?  That pricing model is a whole lot different 
>> > from any DPI tool that I have ever seen
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

2015-07-23 Thread Simon Westlake

I'm reading the engineering info. Looks like you would almost want to 
deploy an ER standalone to do this, as there are a lot of things that 
makes DPI not work.


A few things to note:

 * This feature is integrated with the offload feature, so unlike
   NetFlow (flow accounting), it does not disable offload. Conversely,
   stats are not available for traffic that is not offloaded. More
   specifically, here are examples of the common cases where traffic
   would not show up in traffic analysis:
 o In this context "offload" refers to the IPv4 forwarding, VLAN,
   PPPoE, and GRE offload. If offload is disabled in the
   configuration ("system offload ipv4 ...") then traffic analysis
   would not show traffic of course.
 o Currently if NetFlow ("system flow-accounting ...") or "modify"
   firewall rule ("firewall modify ...") is configured, offload is
   disabled completely in which case no traffic is eligible for
   traffic analysis. (Exception is if "modify" firewall is only
   used for "table" or "lb-group" action then offload is not disabled.)
 o Traffic to which QoS policy is applied is not eligible for
   offload and therefore will not appear in traffic analysis. This
   includes the "traffic-policy" and the new "traffic-control"
   (smart queue) settings in the configuration. In such cases
   traffic that are not affected by QoS (e.g., traffic on other
   interfaces) can still be offloaded and still be displayed in
   traffic analysis.
 o Traffic going through certain interface types are not offloaded,
   for example, bridge, bonding, pseudo-ethernet, VPN interfaces, etc.
 o Traffic that needs to be processed by certain firewall rules are
   not offloaded, for example, packets going through firewall rules
   that involve "limit", "recent", or "time" matching criteria will
   not be offloaded.


You can also cannot perform any policy enforcement using the rules, so I 
think it is a bit of creative marketing to say compare it directly to 
fully fledged DPI systems. That being said, the interface looks pretty 
nice and I can see it being useful for diagnosis and monitoring.


On 7/23/2015 7:15 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


I'll forward you...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jul 23, 2015 8:13 PM, "Simon Westlake" 
> wrote:


Anyone got any screenshots of it? I couldn't find much info on the
UBNT website.

On 7/23/2015 6:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


I have a feeling it's just a nice l nicely wrapped ntop coming
from Vyatta.  I'd love to be surprised.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jul 23, 2015 7:13 PM, "Jeremy" mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd
assume any NDAs have been lifted.  Have any of you been using
this?  Any idea what type of latency is added?  That pricing
model is a whole lot different from any DPI tool that I have
ever seen

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

2015-07-23 Thread Josh Luthman

It has a web page...

http://us8.campaign-archive1.com/?u=bc856e62a9254399365d0277b&id=5529d7c3a0&e=6026330fbc

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jul 23, 2015 8:15 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

> I'll forward you...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Jul 23, 2015 8:13 PM, "Simon Westlake" <
> simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com> wrote:
>
>>  Anyone got any screenshots of it? I couldn't find much info on the UBNT
>> website.
>>
>> On 7/23/2015 6:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> I have a feeling it's just a nice l nicely wrapped ntop coming from
>> Vyatta.  I'd love to be surprised.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Jul 23, 2015 7:13 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any
>>> NDAs have been lifted.  Have any of you been using this?  Any idea what
>>> type of latency is added?  That pricing model is a whole lot different from
>>> any DPI tool that I have ever seen
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

2015-07-23 Thread Josh Luthman

I'll forward you...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jul 23, 2015 8:13 PM, "Simon Westlake" 
wrote:

>  Anyone got any screenshots of it? I couldn't find much info on the UBNT
> website.
>
> On 7/23/2015 6:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> I have a feeling it's just a nice l nicely wrapped ntop coming from
> Vyatta.  I'd love to be surprised.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Jul 23, 2015 7:13 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:
>
>> Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any
>> NDAs have been lifted.  Have any of you been using this?  Any idea what
>> type of latency is added?  That pricing model is a whole lot different from
>> any DPI tool that I have ever seen
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

2015-07-23 Thread Simon Westlake

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5AHsGlAMNI&feature=youtu.be for anyone 
else interested


On 7/23/2015 7:13 PM, Simon Westlake wrote:
Anyone got any screenshots of it? I couldn't find much info on the 
UBNT website.


On 7/23/2015 6:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


I have a feeling it's just a nice l nicely wrapped ntop coming from 
Vyatta.  I'd love to be surprised.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jul 23, 2015 7:13 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:

Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd
assume any NDAs have been lifted.  Have any of you been using
this?  Any idea what type of latency is added?  That pricing
model is a whole lot different from any DPI tool that I have ever
seen

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

2015-07-23 Thread Simon Westlake

Anyone got any screenshots of it? I couldn't find much info on the UBNT 
website.


On 7/23/2015 6:23 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


I have a feeling it's just a nice l nicely wrapped ntop coming from 
Vyatta.  I'd love to be surprised.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jul 23, 2015 7:13 PM, "Jeremy" > wrote:


Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd
assume any NDAs have been lifted.  Have any of you been using
this?  Any idea what type of latency is added?  That pricing model
is a whole lot different from any DPI tool that I have ever seen

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

2015-07-23 Thread Ben Moore

Hi Brett -

Was this while in beta?  What did support have to say with issue?

Thanks,
Ben

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 6:03 PM, Brett A Mansfield <
li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:

> I had dpi running for one day in my ER Pro 8 and it panicked in less that
> 24 hours. I turned it off and it's been good since.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:13 PM, Jeremy  wrote:
> >
> > Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any
> NDAs have been lifted.  Have any of you been using this?  Any idea what
> type of latency is added?  That pricing model is a whole lot different from
> any DPI tool that I have ever seen
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

2015-07-23 Thread Brett A Mansfield

I had dpi running for one day in my ER Pro 8 and it panicked in less that 24 
hours. I turned it off and it's been good since.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:13 PM, Jeremy  wrote:
> 
> Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any NDAs 
> have been lifted.  Have any of you been using this?  Any idea what type of 
> latency is added?  That pricing model is a whole lot different from any DPI 
> tool that I have ever seen

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti DPI?

2015-07-23 Thread Josh Luthman

I have a feeling it's just a nice l nicely wrapped ntop coming from
Vyatta.  I'd love to be surprised.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jul 23, 2015 7:13 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:

> Ok, so now that deep packet inspection has been announced I'd assume any
> NDAs have been lifted.  Have any of you been using this?  Any idea what
> type of latency is added?  That pricing model is a whole lot different from
> any DPI tool that I have ever seen
>

38 matches

Mail list logo