Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Pending Proletarian Rerevolution

[Aris Merchant]

On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 10:29 PM, Gaelan Steele  wrote:
>
>> On Sep 10, 2017, at 10:22 PM, Aris Merchant 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> There are two separate problems, with two of your different proposals:
>>
>> 1. No Telepathy. I was supposed to pend this for you, but I never did.
>> I also marked it as pended, because I was planning to pend it for you,
>> and then forgot. That's why I asked you to pay Agora the shiny.
>>
>> 2. Proletarian Revolution. The problem here was that both versions of
>> Proletarian Revolution had the same name (not sure if that was
>> intentional or not), but they both existed at the same time. That's an
>> unusual occurrence, and it got me rather muddled up. Actually, I
>> distributed a weird in between version, with the new text and the old
>> authors list. I'm going to have to think of a suitable way to ratify
>> this away, because I'd prefer not to invalidate voting. Anyhow, the
>> new version was never pended. You could give Agora a shiny for it if
>> you were planning to anyway, or I can do it given that it was my
>> error. You should also retract your old version (or whichever of them
>> is currently in the pool), for optimal cleanliness.
>
> Actually, they had different names; one was revolution and one was 
> rerevolution. I found it to be rather clever, but in retrospect that was way 
> too confusing. I apologize for that mess.

My job to deal with it, but thanks. :) Normally I would probably have
caught it, but there were so many proposals this week... This week has
had by far the most proposals in the time I've been here, and I'm just
not used to processing all of them.

-Aris

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Pending Proletarian Rerevolution

[Gaelan Steele]

> On Sep 10, 2017, at 10:22 PM, Aris Merchant 
>  wrote:
> 
> There are two separate problems, with two of your different proposals:
> 
> 1. No Telepathy. I was supposed to pend this for you, but I never did.
> I also marked it as pended, because I was planning to pend it for you,
> and then forgot. That's why I asked you to pay Agora the shiny.
> 
> 2. Proletarian Revolution. The problem here was that both versions of
> Proletarian Revolution had the same name (not sure if that was
> intentional or not), but they both existed at the same time. That's an
> unusual occurrence, and it got me rather muddled up. Actually, I
> distributed a weird in between version, with the new text and the old
> authors list. I'm going to have to think of a suitable way to ratify
> this away, because I'd prefer not to invalidate voting. Anyhow, the
> new version was never pended. You could give Agora a shiny for it if
> you were planning to anyway, or I can do it given that it was my
> error. You should also retract your old version (or whichever of them
> is currently in the pool), for optimal cleanliness.

Actually, they had different names; one was revolution and one was 
rerevolution. I found it to be rather clever, but in retrospect that was way 
too confusing. I apologize for that mess.

> 
> -Aris
> 
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 8:54 PM, Gaelan Steele  wrote:
>> I’m not entirely sure what happened, but I throw a shiny at Agora just in 
>> case. Would you mind clarifying which of my proposals, if any, are currently 
>> in the pool, pending, or being voted on? Sorry about the trouble I caused.
>> 
>> Gaelan
>> 
>>> On Sep 10, 2017, at 6:33 PM, Aris Merchant 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oops. I forgot out the old version. Can we just let it self
>>> ratify-itself away? The new version seems like it can be free
>>> standing. I also forgot to pend your other one before distributing,
>>> could you just pay Agora a shiny?
>>> 
>>> -Aris
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 6:31 PM, Gaelan Steele  wrote:
 I pend Proletarian Rerevolution. I’d advise everybody to vote FOR the 
 current proposal now; the only difference is the fix to the agency scam 
 (and a minor change about combustion tiebreaking, making ties go to poorer 
 players instead of older ones), and I believe the current Hot Potato 
 holder (o) is not the kind of player to try and cheat the system. The 
 loophole will be patched next resolution when the v2 is passed.
 
 Gaelan
>> 

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Pending Proletarian Rerevolution

[Aris Merchant]

There are two separate problems, with two of your different proposals:

1. No Telepathy. I was supposed to pend this for you, but I never did.
I also marked it as pended, because I was planning to pend it for you,
and then forgot. That's why I asked you to pay Agora the shiny.

2. Proletarian Revolution. The problem here was that both versions of
Proletarian Revolution had the same name (not sure if that was
intentional or not), but they both existed at the same time. That's an
unusual occurrence, and it got me rather muddled up. Actually, I
distributed a weird in between version, with the new text and the old
authors list. I'm going to have to think of a suitable way to ratify
this away, because I'd prefer not to invalidate voting. Anyhow, the
new version was never pended. You could give Agora a shiny for it if
you were planning to anyway, or I can do it given that it was my
error. You should also retract your old version (or whichever of them
is currently in the pool), for optimal cleanliness.

-Aris

On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 8:54 PM, Gaelan Steele  wrote:
> I’m not entirely sure what happened, but I throw a shiny at Agora just in 
> case. Would you mind clarifying which of my proposals, if any, are currently 
> in the pool, pending, or being voted on? Sorry about the trouble I caused.
>
> Gaelan
>
>> On Sep 10, 2017, at 6:33 PM, Aris Merchant 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Oops. I forgot out the old version. Can we just let it self
>> ratify-itself away? The new version seems like it can be free
>> standing. I also forgot to pend your other one before distributing,
>> could you just pay Agora a shiny?
>>
>> -Aris
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 6:31 PM, Gaelan Steele  wrote:
>>> I pend Proletarian Rerevolution. I’d advise everybody to vote FOR the 
>>> current proposal now; the only difference is the fix to the agency scam 
>>> (and a minor change about combustion tiebreaking, making ties go to poorer 
>>> players instead of older ones), and I believe the current Hot Potato holder 
>>> (o) is not the kind of player to try and cheat the system. The loophole 
>>> will be patched next resolution when the v2 is passed.
>>>
>>> Gaelan
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Yellow Card to Superintendent

[Cuddle Beam]

Yes but the cards are still there, even if the pink slip was issued.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 7:11 AM, Aris Merchant <
thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> True, but the cleanup could get rather nasty.
>
> -Aris
>
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 10:10 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
> > The way that would be solved is the arbitor issuing the referee a pink
> > slip and them being removed from office. There are safeguards.
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Cuddle Beam 
> wrote:
> >> Spread out to other people I mean. Like, RATTATATATATATATATA everyone's
> got
> >> yellow cards
> >>
> >> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 7:07 AM, VJ Rada  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> issuing multiple cards at once does nothing tho...
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Cuddle Beam 
> wrote:
> >>> > becuz i dont want a gatling gun ref up my butt
> >>> >
> >>> > I create the following Proposal:
> >>> >
> >>> > Title: No 10-Card Combo
> >>> > Content:
> >>> >
> >>> > Amend "The Referee CANNOT Point eir Finger or impose Summary Judgment
> >>> > more
> >>> > than five total times per week, or more than twice per week at or on
> the
> >>> > same player." to:
> >>> >
> >>> > "The Referee CANNOT Point eir Finger or impose Summary Judgment more
> >>> > than
> >>> > five total times per any period of 7 contiguous days, or more than
> twice
> >>> > per
> >>> > any period of 7 contiguous days at or on the same player."
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 7:04 AM, VJ Rada  wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> not a legal proposal, no title. also why?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Cuddle Beam 
> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >> > The Referee could go full Gatling gun and during Sun-Mon, give
> 5+5=10
> >>> >> > Yellow
> >>> >> > Cards to people via Summary Judgement lol.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > I create the following Proposal:
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Amend "The Referee CANNOT Point eir Finger or impose Summary
> Judgment
> >>> >> > more
> >>> >> > than five total times per week, or more than twice per week at or
> on
> >>> >> > the
> >>> >> > same player." to:
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > "The Referee CANNOT Point eir Finger or impose Summary Judgment
> more
> >>> >> > than
> >>> >> > five total times per any period of 7 contiguous days, or more than
> >>> >> > twice
> >>> >> > per
> >>> >> > any period of 7 contiguous days at or on the same player."
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 6:58 AM, VJ Rada 
> wrote:
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> "Cards CANNOT be issued except by players by announcement". Does
> >>> >> >> this
> >>> >> >> imply that they can be issued that way?
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Aris Merchant
> >>> >> >>  wrote:
> >>> >> >> > Nope. See rule 2125. Rule 2426 defines cards and card issuing,
> and
> >>> >> >> > it
> >>> >> >> > also puts some restrictions on when someone CANNOT use a card,
> but
> >>> >> >> > it
> >>> >> >> > never says players CAN do so. Rules 2478 and 2479 give carding
> >>> >> >> > authority to the referee under circumstances, but again, never
> say
> >>> >> >> > that players CAN do so. Unless I'm missing something, your
> action
> >>> >> >> > failed.
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > -Aris
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> > On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 9:51 PM, VJ Rada 
> >>> >> >> > wrote:
> >>> >> >> >> I believe everyone has authority. Reading the rules, there's
> >>> >> >> >> nothing
> >>> >> >> >> restricting it to the referee. The referee's role just seems
> to
> >>> >> >> >> be
> >>> >> >> >> publishing reports and judging finger-points.
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Aris Merchant
> >>> >> >> >>  wrote:
> >>> >> >> >>> Pardon me, but where do the rules give you the authority to
> >>> >> >> >>> issue a
> >>> >> >> >>> card?
> >>> >> >> >>>
> >>> >> >> >>> -Aris
> >>> >> >> >>>
> >>> >> >> >>> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 9:32 PM, Josh T
> >>> >> >> >>> 
> >>> >> >> >>> wrote:
> >>> >> >>  I issue a Yellow Card to the Superintendent due to eir
> >>> >> >>  tardiness
> >>> >> >>  in
> >>> >> >>  publishing the September Monthly Agency report. Eir apology
> >>> >> >>  must
> >>> >> >>  contain the
> >>> >> >>  following words:
> >>> >> >> 
> >>> >> >>  * Shadow
> >>> >> >>  * Shahadah
> >>> >> >>  * Shakespeare
> >>> >> >>  * Shaman
> >>> >> >>  * Shameless
> >>> >> >>  * Shanghaied
> >>> >> >>  * Shark
> >>> >> >>  * Shiitake
> >>> >> >>  * Shmaltz
> >>> >> >>  * Shrubbery
> >>> >> >> 
> >>> >> >>  天火狐
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >>
> >>> >> >> >> --
> >>> >> >> >> From V.J Rada
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> --
> >>> >> >> From V.J Rada
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> 

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Yellow Card to Superintendent

[Aris Merchant]

True, but the cleanup could get rather nasty.

-Aris

On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 10:10 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
> The way that would be solved is the arbitor issuing the referee a pink
> slip and them being removed from office. There are safeguards.
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>> Spread out to other people I mean. Like, RATTATATATATATATATA everyone's got
>> yellow cards
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 7:07 AM, VJ Rada  wrote:
>>>
>>> issuing multiple cards at once does nothing tho...
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>>> > becuz i dont want a gatling gun ref up my butt
>>> >
>>> > I create the following Proposal:
>>> >
>>> > Title: No 10-Card Combo
>>> > Content:
>>> >
>>> > Amend "The Referee CANNOT Point eir Finger or impose Summary Judgment
>>> > more
>>> > than five total times per week, or more than twice per week at or on the
>>> > same player." to:
>>> >
>>> > "The Referee CANNOT Point eir Finger or impose Summary Judgment more
>>> > than
>>> > five total times per any period of 7 contiguous days, or more than twice
>>> > per
>>> > any period of 7 contiguous days at or on the same player."
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 7:04 AM, VJ Rada  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> not a legal proposal, no title. also why?
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Cuddle Beam 
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> > The Referee could go full Gatling gun and during Sun-Mon, give 5+5=10
>>> >> > Yellow
>>> >> > Cards to people via Summary Judgement lol.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I create the following Proposal:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Amend "The Referee CANNOT Point eir Finger or impose Summary Judgment
>>> >> > more
>>> >> > than five total times per week, or more than twice per week at or on
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > same player." to:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > "The Referee CANNOT Point eir Finger or impose Summary Judgment more
>>> >> > than
>>> >> > five total times per any period of 7 contiguous days, or more than
>>> >> > twice
>>> >> > per
>>> >> > any period of 7 contiguous days at or on the same player."
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 6:58 AM, VJ Rada  wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> "Cards CANNOT be issued except by players by announcement". Does
>>> >> >> this
>>> >> >> imply that they can be issued that way?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Aris Merchant
>>> >> >>  wrote:
>>> >> >> > Nope. See rule 2125. Rule 2426 defines cards and card issuing, and
>>> >> >> > it
>>> >> >> > also puts some restrictions on when someone CANNOT use a card, but
>>> >> >> > it
>>> >> >> > never says players CAN do so. Rules 2478 and 2479 give carding
>>> >> >> > authority to the referee under circumstances, but again, never say
>>> >> >> > that players CAN do so. Unless I'm missing something, your action
>>> >> >> > failed.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > -Aris
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 9:51 PM, VJ Rada 
>>> >> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >> >> I believe everyone has authority. Reading the rules, there's
>>> >> >> >> nothing
>>> >> >> >> restricting it to the referee. The referee's role just seems to
>>> >> >> >> be
>>> >> >> >> publishing reports and judging finger-points.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Aris Merchant
>>> >> >> >>  wrote:
>>> >> >> >>> Pardon me, but where do the rules give you the authority to
>>> >> >> >>> issue a
>>> >> >> >>> card?
>>> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >>> -Aris
>>> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >>> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 9:32 PM, Josh T
>>> >> >> >>> 
>>> >> >> >>> wrote:
>>> >> >>  I issue a Yellow Card to the Superintendent due to eir
>>> >> >>  tardiness
>>> >> >>  in
>>> >> >>  publishing the September Monthly Agency report. Eir apology
>>> >> >>  must
>>> >> >>  contain the
>>> >> >>  following words:
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >>  * Shadow
>>> >> >>  * Shahadah
>>> >> >>  * Shakespeare
>>> >> >>  * Shaman
>>> >> >>  * Shameless
>>> >> >>  * Shanghaied
>>> >> >>  * Shark
>>> >> >>  * Shiitake
>>> >> >>  * Shmaltz
>>> >> >>  * Shrubbery
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >>  天火狐
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> --
>>> >> >> >> From V.J Rada
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> --
>>> >> >> From V.J Rada
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> From V.J Rada
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> From V.J Rada
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> From V.J Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Yellow Card to Superintendent

[VJ Rada]

The way that would be solved is the arbitor issuing the referee a pink
slip and them being removed from office. There are safeguards.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
> Spread out to other people I mean. Like, RATTATATATATATATATA everyone's got
> yellow cards
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 7:07 AM, VJ Rada  wrote:
>>
>> issuing multiple cards at once does nothing tho...
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>> > becuz i dont want a gatling gun ref up my butt
>> >
>> > I create the following Proposal:
>> >
>> > Title: No 10-Card Combo
>> > Content:
>> >
>> > Amend "The Referee CANNOT Point eir Finger or impose Summary Judgment
>> > more
>> > than five total times per week, or more than twice per week at or on the
>> > same player." to:
>> >
>> > "The Referee CANNOT Point eir Finger or impose Summary Judgment more
>> > than
>> > five total times per any period of 7 contiguous days, or more than twice
>> > per
>> > any period of 7 contiguous days at or on the same player."
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 7:04 AM, VJ Rada  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> not a legal proposal, no title. also why?
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Cuddle Beam 
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > The Referee could go full Gatling gun and during Sun-Mon, give 5+5=10
>> >> > Yellow
>> >> > Cards to people via Summary Judgement lol.
>> >> >
>> >> > I create the following Proposal:
>> >> >
>> >> > Amend "The Referee CANNOT Point eir Finger or impose Summary Judgment
>> >> > more
>> >> > than five total times per week, or more than twice per week at or on
>> >> > the
>> >> > same player." to:
>> >> >
>> >> > "The Referee CANNOT Point eir Finger or impose Summary Judgment more
>> >> > than
>> >> > five total times per any period of 7 contiguous days, or more than
>> >> > twice
>> >> > per
>> >> > any period of 7 contiguous days at or on the same player."
>> >> >
>> >> > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 6:58 AM, VJ Rada  wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Cards CANNOT be issued except by players by announcement". Does
>> >> >> this
>> >> >> imply that they can be issued that way?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Aris Merchant
>> >> >>  wrote:
>> >> >> > Nope. See rule 2125. Rule 2426 defines cards and card issuing, and
>> >> >> > it
>> >> >> > also puts some restrictions on when someone CANNOT use a card, but
>> >> >> > it
>> >> >> > never says players CAN do so. Rules 2478 and 2479 give carding
>> >> >> > authority to the referee under circumstances, but again, never say
>> >> >> > that players CAN do so. Unless I'm missing something, your action
>> >> >> > failed.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > -Aris
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 9:51 PM, VJ Rada 
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >> I believe everyone has authority. Reading the rules, there's
>> >> >> >> nothing
>> >> >> >> restricting it to the referee. The referee's role just seems to
>> >> >> >> be
>> >> >> >> publishing reports and judging finger-points.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Aris Merchant
>> >> >> >>  wrote:
>> >> >> >>> Pardon me, but where do the rules give you the authority to
>> >> >> >>> issue a
>> >> >> >>> card?
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> -Aris
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 9:32 PM, Josh T
>> >> >> >>> 
>> >> >> >>> wrote:
>> >> >>  I issue a Yellow Card to the Superintendent due to eir
>> >> >>  tardiness
>> >> >>  in
>> >> >>  publishing the September Monthly Agency report. Eir apology
>> >> >>  must
>> >> >>  contain the
>> >> >>  following words:
>> >> >> 
>> >> >>  * Shadow
>> >> >>  * Shahadah
>> >> >>  * Shakespeare
>> >> >>  * Shaman
>> >> >>  * Shameless
>> >> >>  * Shanghaied
>> >> >>  * Shark
>> >> >>  * Shiitake
>> >> >>  * Shmaltz
>> >> >>  * Shrubbery
>> >> >> 
>> >> >>  天火狐
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> From V.J Rada
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> From V.J Rada
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> From V.J Rada
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From V.J Rada
>
>



-- 
>From V.J Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Yellow Card to Superintendent

[Cuddle Beam]

Spread out to other people I mean. Like, RATTATATATATATATATA everyone's got
yellow cards

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 7:07 AM, VJ Rada  wrote:

> issuing multiple cards at once does nothing tho...
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
> > becuz i dont want a gatling gun ref up my butt
> >
> > I create the following Proposal:
> >
> > Title: No 10-Card Combo
> > Content:
> >
> > Amend "The Referee CANNOT Point eir Finger or impose Summary Judgment
> more
> > than five total times per week, or more than twice per week at or on the
> > same player." to:
> >
> > "The Referee CANNOT Point eir Finger or impose Summary Judgment more than
> > five total times per any period of 7 contiguous days, or more than twice
> per
> > any period of 7 contiguous days at or on the same player."
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 7:04 AM, VJ Rada  wrote:
> >>
> >> not a legal proposal, no title. also why?
> >>
> >> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Cuddle Beam 
> wrote:
> >> > The Referee could go full Gatling gun and during Sun-Mon, give 5+5=10
> >> > Yellow
> >> > Cards to people via Summary Judgement lol.
> >> >
> >> > I create the following Proposal:
> >> >
> >> > Amend "The Referee CANNOT Point eir Finger or impose Summary Judgment
> >> > more
> >> > than five total times per week, or more than twice per week at or on
> the
> >> > same player." to:
> >> >
> >> > "The Referee CANNOT Point eir Finger or impose Summary Judgment more
> >> > than
> >> > five total times per any period of 7 contiguous days, or more than
> twice
> >> > per
> >> > any period of 7 contiguous days at or on the same player."
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 6:58 AM, VJ Rada  wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> "Cards CANNOT be issued except by players by announcement". Does this
> >> >> imply that they can be issued that way?
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Aris Merchant
> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >> > Nope. See rule 2125. Rule 2426 defines cards and card issuing, and
> it
> >> >> > also puts some restrictions on when someone CANNOT use a card, but
> it
> >> >> > never says players CAN do so. Rules 2478 and 2479 give carding
> >> >> > authority to the referee under circumstances, but again, never say
> >> >> > that players CAN do so. Unless I'm missing something, your action
> >> >> > failed.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -Aris
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 9:51 PM, VJ Rada 
> wrote:
> >> >> >> I believe everyone has authority. Reading the rules, there's
> nothing
> >> >> >> restricting it to the referee. The referee's role just seems to be
> >> >> >> publishing reports and judging finger-points.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Aris Merchant
> >> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >> >>> Pardon me, but where do the rules give you the authority to
> issue a
> >> >> >>> card?
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> -Aris
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 9:32 PM, Josh T
> >> >> >>> 
> >> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>  I issue a Yellow Card to the Superintendent due to eir tardiness
> >> >>  in
> >> >>  publishing the September Monthly Agency report. Eir apology must
> >> >>  contain the
> >> >>  following words:
> >> >> 
> >> >>  * Shadow
> >> >>  * Shahadah
> >> >>  * Shakespeare
> >> >>  * Shaman
> >> >>  * Shameless
> >> >>  * Shanghaied
> >> >>  * Shark
> >> >>  * Shiitake
> >> >>  * Shmaltz
> >> >>  * Shrubbery
> >> >> 
> >> >>  天火狐
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> From V.J Rada
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> From V.J Rada
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> From V.J Rada
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> From V.J Rada
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Yellow Card to Superintendent

[VJ Rada]

issuing multiple cards at once does nothing tho...

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
> becuz i dont want a gatling gun ref up my butt
>
> I create the following Proposal:
>
> Title: No 10-Card Combo
> Content:
>
> Amend "The Referee CANNOT Point eir Finger or impose Summary Judgment more
> than five total times per week, or more than twice per week at or on the
> same player." to:
>
> "The Referee CANNOT Point eir Finger or impose Summary Judgment more than
> five total times per any period of 7 contiguous days, or more than twice per
> any period of 7 contiguous days at or on the same player."
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 7:04 AM, VJ Rada  wrote:
>>
>> not a legal proposal, no title. also why?
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>> > The Referee could go full Gatling gun and during Sun-Mon, give 5+5=10
>> > Yellow
>> > Cards to people via Summary Judgement lol.
>> >
>> > I create the following Proposal:
>> >
>> > Amend "The Referee CANNOT Point eir Finger or impose Summary Judgment
>> > more
>> > than five total times per week, or more than twice per week at or on the
>> > same player." to:
>> >
>> > "The Referee CANNOT Point eir Finger or impose Summary Judgment more
>> > than
>> > five total times per any period of 7 contiguous days, or more than twice
>> > per
>> > any period of 7 contiguous days at or on the same player."
>> >
>> > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 6:58 AM, VJ Rada  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> "Cards CANNOT be issued except by players by announcement". Does this
>> >> imply that they can be issued that way?
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Aris Merchant
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> > Nope. See rule 2125. Rule 2426 defines cards and card issuing, and it
>> >> > also puts some restrictions on when someone CANNOT use a card, but it
>> >> > never says players CAN do so. Rules 2478 and 2479 give carding
>> >> > authority to the referee under circumstances, but again, never say
>> >> > that players CAN do so. Unless I'm missing something, your action
>> >> > failed.
>> >> >
>> >> > -Aris
>> >> >
>> >> > On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 9:51 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
>> >> >> I believe everyone has authority. Reading the rules, there's nothing
>> >> >> restricting it to the referee. The referee's role just seems to be
>> >> >> publishing reports and judging finger-points.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Aris Merchant
>> >> >>  wrote:
>> >> >>> Pardon me, but where do the rules give you the authority to issue a
>> >> >>> card?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> -Aris
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 9:32 PM, Josh T
>> >> >>> 
>> >> >>> wrote:
>> >>  I issue a Yellow Card to the Superintendent due to eir tardiness
>> >>  in
>> >>  publishing the September Monthly Agency report. Eir apology must
>> >>  contain the
>> >>  following words:
>> >> 
>> >>  * Shadow
>> >>  * Shahadah
>> >>  * Shakespeare
>> >>  * Shaman
>> >>  * Shameless
>> >>  * Shanghaied
>> >>  * Shark
>> >>  * Shiitake
>> >>  * Shmaltz
>> >>  * Shrubbery
>> >> 
>> >>  天火狐
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> From V.J Rada
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> From V.J Rada
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From V.J Rada
>
>



-- 
>From V.J Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Yellow Card to Superintendent

[VJ Rada]

not a legal proposal, no title. also why?

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
> The Referee could go full Gatling gun and during Sun-Mon, give 5+5=10 Yellow
> Cards to people via Summary Judgement lol.
>
> I create the following Proposal:
>
> Amend "The Referee CANNOT Point eir Finger or impose Summary Judgment more
> than five total times per week, or more than twice per week at or on the
> same player." to:
>
> "The Referee CANNOT Point eir Finger or impose Summary Judgment more than
> five total times per any period of 7 contiguous days, or more than twice per
> any period of 7 contiguous days at or on the same player."
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 6:58 AM, VJ Rada  wrote:
>>
>> "Cards CANNOT be issued except by players by announcement". Does this
>> imply that they can be issued that way?
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Aris Merchant
>>  wrote:
>> > Nope. See rule 2125. Rule 2426 defines cards and card issuing, and it
>> > also puts some restrictions on when someone CANNOT use a card, but it
>> > never says players CAN do so. Rules 2478 and 2479 give carding
>> > authority to the referee under circumstances, but again, never say
>> > that players CAN do so. Unless I'm missing something, your action
>> > failed.
>> >
>> > -Aris
>> >
>> > On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 9:51 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
>> >> I believe everyone has authority. Reading the rules, there's nothing
>> >> restricting it to the referee. The referee's role just seems to be
>> >> publishing reports and judging finger-points.
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Aris Merchant
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>> Pardon me, but where do the rules give you the authority to issue a
>> >>> card?
>> >>>
>> >>> -Aris
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 9:32 PM, Josh T 
>> >>> wrote:
>>  I issue a Yellow Card to the Superintendent due to eir tardiness in
>>  publishing the September Monthly Agency report. Eir apology must
>>  contain the
>>  following words:
>> 
>>  * Shadow
>>  * Shahadah
>>  * Shakespeare
>>  * Shaman
>>  * Shameless
>>  * Shanghaied
>>  * Shark
>>  * Shiitake
>>  * Shmaltz
>>  * Shrubbery
>> 
>>  天火狐
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> From V.J Rada
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From V.J Rada
>
>



-- 
>From V.J Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Yellow Card to Superintendent

[VJ Rada]

Yeah I think you're right.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 3:00 PM, Aris Merchant
 wrote:
> No, I don't believe it does. CANNOT doesn't generally imply CAN under
> all circumstances not listed.
>
> -Aris
>
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 9:58 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
>> "Cards CANNOT be issued except by players by announcement". Does this
>> imply that they can be issued that way?
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Aris Merchant
>>  wrote:
>>> Nope. See rule 2125. Rule 2426 defines cards and card issuing, and it
>>> also puts some restrictions on when someone CANNOT use a card, but it
>>> never says players CAN do so. Rules 2478 and 2479 give carding
>>> authority to the referee under circumstances, but again, never say
>>> that players CAN do so. Unless I'm missing something, your action
>>> failed.
>>>
>>> -Aris
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 9:51 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
 I believe everyone has authority. Reading the rules, there's nothing
 restricting it to the referee. The referee's role just seems to be
 publishing reports and judging finger-points.

 On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Aris Merchant
  wrote:
> Pardon me, but where do the rules give you the authority to issue a card?
>
> -Aris
>
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 9:32 PM, Josh T  
> wrote:
>> I issue a Yellow Card to the Superintendent due to eir tardiness in
>> publishing the September Monthly Agency report. Eir apology must contain 
>> the
>> following words:
>>
>> * Shadow
>> * Shahadah
>> * Shakespeare
>> * Shaman
>> * Shameless
>> * Shanghaied
>> * Shark
>> * Shiitake
>> * Shmaltz
>> * Shrubbery
>>
>> 天火狐



 --
 From V.J Rada
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From V.J Rada



-- 
>From V.J Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Yellow Card to Superintendent

[Aris Merchant]

No, I don't believe it does. CANNOT doesn't generally imply CAN under
all circumstances not listed.

-Aris

On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 9:58 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
> "Cards CANNOT be issued except by players by announcement". Does this
> imply that they can be issued that way?
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Aris Merchant
>  wrote:
>> Nope. See rule 2125. Rule 2426 defines cards and card issuing, and it
>> also puts some restrictions on when someone CANNOT use a card, but it
>> never says players CAN do so. Rules 2478 and 2479 give carding
>> authority to the referee under circumstances, but again, never say
>> that players CAN do so. Unless I'm missing something, your action
>> failed.
>>
>> -Aris
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 9:51 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
>>> I believe everyone has authority. Reading the rules, there's nothing
>>> restricting it to the referee. The referee's role just seems to be
>>> publishing reports and judging finger-points.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Aris Merchant
>>>  wrote:
 Pardon me, but where do the rules give you the authority to issue a card?

 -Aris

 On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 9:32 PM, Josh T  wrote:
> I issue a Yellow Card to the Superintendent due to eir tardiness in
> publishing the September Monthly Agency report. Eir apology must contain 
> the
> following words:
>
> * Shadow
> * Shahadah
> * Shakespeare
> * Shaman
> * Shameless
> * Shanghaied
> * Shark
> * Shiitake
> * Shmaltz
> * Shrubbery
>
> 天火狐
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> From V.J Rada
>
>
>
> --
> From V.J Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Yellow Card to Superintendent

[VJ Rada]

"Cards CANNOT be issued except by players by announcement". Does this
imply that they can be issued that way?

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Aris Merchant
 wrote:
> Nope. See rule 2125. Rule 2426 defines cards and card issuing, and it
> also puts some restrictions on when someone CANNOT use a card, but it
> never says players CAN do so. Rules 2478 and 2479 give carding
> authority to the referee under circumstances, but again, never say
> that players CAN do so. Unless I'm missing something, your action
> failed.
>
> -Aris
>
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 9:51 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
>> I believe everyone has authority. Reading the rules, there's nothing
>> restricting it to the referee. The referee's role just seems to be
>> publishing reports and judging finger-points.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Aris Merchant
>>  wrote:
>>> Pardon me, but where do the rules give you the authority to issue a card?
>>>
>>> -Aris
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 9:32 PM, Josh T  wrote:
 I issue a Yellow Card to the Superintendent due to eir tardiness in
 publishing the September Monthly Agency report. Eir apology must contain 
 the
 following words:

 * Shadow
 * Shahadah
 * Shakespeare
 * Shaman
 * Shameless
 * Shanghaied
 * Shark
 * Shiitake
 * Shmaltz
 * Shrubbery

 天火狐
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From V.J Rada



-- 
>From V.J Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Yellow Card to Superintendent

[Aris Merchant]

Nope. See rule 2125. Rule 2426 defines cards and card issuing, and it
also puts some restrictions on when someone CANNOT use a card, but it
never says players CAN do so. Rules 2478 and 2479 give carding
authority to the referee under circumstances, but again, never say
that players CAN do so. Unless I'm missing something, your action
failed.

-Aris

On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 9:51 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
> I believe everyone has authority. Reading the rules, there's nothing
> restricting it to the referee. The referee's role just seems to be
> publishing reports and judging finger-points.
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Aris Merchant
>  wrote:
>> Pardon me, but where do the rules give you the authority to issue a card?
>>
>> -Aris
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 9:32 PM, Josh T  wrote:
>>> I issue a Yellow Card to the Superintendent due to eir tardiness in
>>> publishing the September Monthly Agency report. Eir apology must contain the
>>> following words:
>>>
>>> * Shadow
>>> * Shahadah
>>> * Shakespeare
>>> * Shaman
>>> * Shameless
>>> * Shanghaied
>>> * Shark
>>> * Shiitake
>>> * Shmaltz
>>> * Shrubbery
>>>
>>> 天火狐
>
>
>
> --
> From V.J Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Yellow Card to Superintendent

[VJ Rada]

Ooh ooh I could issue everyone but myself a yellow card JUST before
resolving these elections! That would be a fun way to sew up the PM
election.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:51 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
> I believe everyone has authority. Reading the rules, there's nothing
> restricting it to the referee. The referee's role just seems to be
> publishing reports and judging finger-points.
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Aris Merchant
>  wrote:
>> Pardon me, but where do the rules give you the authority to issue a card?
>>
>> -Aris
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 9:32 PM, Josh T  wrote:
>>> I issue a Yellow Card to the Superintendent due to eir tardiness in
>>> publishing the September Monthly Agency report. Eir apology must contain the
>>> following words:
>>>
>>> * Shadow
>>> * Shahadah
>>> * Shakespeare
>>> * Shaman
>>> * Shameless
>>> * Shanghaied
>>> * Shark
>>> * Shiitake
>>> * Shmaltz
>>> * Shrubbery
>>>
>>> 天火狐
>
>
>
> --
> From V.J Rada



-- 
>From V.J Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Yellow Card to Superintendent

[VJ Rada]

I believe everyone has authority. Reading the rules, there's nothing
restricting it to the referee. The referee's role just seems to be
publishing reports and judging finger-points.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Aris Merchant
 wrote:
> Pardon me, but where do the rules give you the authority to issue a card?
>
> -Aris
>
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 9:32 PM, Josh T  wrote:
>> I issue a Yellow Card to the Superintendent due to eir tardiness in
>> publishing the September Monthly Agency report. Eir apology must contain the
>> following words:
>>
>> * Shadow
>> * Shahadah
>> * Shakespeare
>> * Shaman
>> * Shameless
>> * Shanghaied
>> * Shark
>> * Shiitake
>> * Shmaltz
>> * Shrubbery
>>
>> 天火狐



-- 
>From V.J Rada

DIS: Re: BUS: Yellow Card to Superintendent

[Aris Merchant]

Pardon me, but where do the rules give you the authority to issue a card?

-Aris

On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 9:32 PM, Josh T  wrote:
> I issue a Yellow Card to the Superintendent due to eir tardiness in
> publishing the September Monthly Agency report. Eir apology must contain the
> following words:
>
> * Shadow
> * Shahadah
> * Shakespeare
> * Shaman
> * Shameless
> * Shanghaied
> * Shark
> * Shiitake
> * Shmaltz
> * Shrubbery
>
> 天火狐

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Yellow Card to Superintendent

[Cuddle Beam]

I was given a Yellow Card for being tardy on a CFJ (I dunno if there are
other cases though)

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 6:36 AM, VJ Rada  wrote:

> I believe this card is inappropriate because lateness is usually given
> a green card. "A person SHALL NOT issue a Card unless:
> the reason is appropriate for the type of Card being issued;".
>
> I point my finger at 天火狐
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Josh T 
> wrote:
> > I issue a Yellow Card to the Superintendent due to eir tardiness in
> > publishing the September Monthly Agency report. Eir apology must contain
> the
> > following words:
> >
> > * Shadow
> > * Shahadah
> > * Shakespeare
> > * Shaman
> > * Shameless
> > * Shanghaied
> > * Shark
> > * Shiitake
> > * Shmaltz
> > * Shrubbery
> >
> > 天火狐
>
>
>
> --
> From V.J Rada
>

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7876-7898 [sic] [also includes minor CoE]

[Kerim Aydin]

On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Gaelan Steele wrote:
> > 7896*  P.S.S. [5]3.0  Registration Delay Fix   P.S.S.  1 AP
> FOR. CoE: this proposal seems suspiciously similar to mine.

They were different ones.

On another note, I'm trying to decide if the grammar error in 7896 would
work anyway due to the intent being fairly clear, or if it is merely
forbidding anyone from registering the player named 'register emself'.

DIS: Re: BUS: Yellow Card to Superintendent

[VJ Rada]

I believe this card is inappropriate because lateness is usually given
a green card. "A person SHALL NOT issue a Card unless:
the reason is appropriate for the type of Card being issued;".

I point my finger at 天火狐

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Josh T  wrote:
> I issue a Yellow Card to the Superintendent due to eir tardiness in
> publishing the September Monthly Agency report. Eir apology must contain the
> following words:
>
> * Shadow
> * Shahadah
> * Shakespeare
> * Shaman
> * Shameless
> * Shanghaied
> * Shark
> * Shiitake
> * Shmaltz
> * Shrubbery
>
> 天火狐



-- 
>From V.J Rada

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7876-7898 [sic] [also includes minor CoE]

[Gaelan Steele]

If another email with this same exact subject line is sent from my normal email 
address [due to the email queue finally clearing up], disregard it.
> On Sep 10, 2017, at 6:19 PM, Aris Merchant 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> ID Author(s) AI   TitlePender  Pend fee
> ---
> 7876*  o 2.0  Float On o   1 AP
FOR
> 7877*  CB [1]1.0  Monsters CB [1]  1 AP
AGAINST stubs.
> 7878*  Gaelan1.0  Not So Cuddly NowAris1 sh.
FOR
> 7879*  o, Aris   1.0  You can take it with you o   1 sh.
FOR
> 7880*  o 1.0  Agency Typo Fix  o   1 sh.
FOR
> 7881*  o, [2]1.0  Stamp CAN Patch  o   1 sh.
FOR
> 7882*  o, K, ais523  1.0  Welcome Package CAN Patcho   1 sh.
FOR
> 7883*  G.1.0  Fear v2.1G.  1 sh.
FOR. This sounds fun.
> 7884*  V.J Rada  3.0  Mother, May I?   V.J Rada1 sh.
AGAINST, for reasons outlined by others.
> 7885*  o, [3]3.0  Restraining Bolt o   1 sh.
FOR.
> 7886*  Aris, [4] 2.0  Card Reform and Expansion v4 Aris1 sh.
FOR.
> 7887*  Aris  3.0  SLR Ratification Aris1 sh.
FOR
> 7888*  o, V.J Rada   3.1  BILLY MAYS HERE  o   1 sh.
FOR
> 7889*  Aris  3.0  Agora Protection Act Aris1 sh.
ENDORSE G.
> 7890*  Aris, G.  2.0  Improved Buoyancy v2 Aris1 sh.
FOR
> 7891*  Gaelan1.0  Proletarian Revolution   Gaelan  1 sh.
FOR (this is the unpatched version, but the bug at best nullifies its benefits; 
we can pass the patch next week)
> 7892*  Aris  1.0  Truthfulness v2  Aris1 sh.
AGAINST
> 7893*  V.J Rada, [1] 2.0  Zimbabwe-style economics V.J Rada1 sh.
Strongly AGAINST. Duct tape can fix anything, but not for long.
> 7894*  G.2.0  Shiny WeatherG.  1 AP
AGAINST. 
> 7895*  Gaelan3.0  No Telepathy Gaelan  1 sh.
AGAINST, it might break some things. I advise everybody to do the same.
> 7896*  P.S.S. [5]3.0  Registration Delay Fix   P.S.S.  1 AP
FOR. CoE: this proposal seems suspiciously similar to mine.
> 7897*  CB [1]1.0  University Funding   Aris1 sh.
FOR
> 7898*  G.2.0  Community Chest  G.  1 AP
CONDITIONAL: FOR if Proletarian Revolution receives 3 or more AGAINST votes; 
AGAINST otherwise. If the result of another conditional vote would cause this 
vote to oscillate instantaneously or be paradoxical, ignore it.

Gaelan

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7876-7898 [sic]

[VJ Rada]

> 7876*  o 2.0  Float On o   1 AP
FOR
>7877*  CB [1]1.0  Monsters CB [1]  1 AP
AGAINST unused game mechanics.
>1878*  Gaelan1.0  Not So Cuddly NowAris1 sh.
AGAINST
> 7879*  o, Aris   1.0  You can take it with you o   1 sh.
FOR
> 7880*  o 1.0  Agency Typo Fix  o   1 sh.
FOR
> 7881*  o, [2]1.0  Stamp CAN Patch  o   1 sh.
FOR
> 7882*  o, K, ais523  1.0  Welcome Package CAN Patcho   1 sh.
FOR
> 7883*  G.1.0  Fear v2.1G.  1 sh.
Hell yeah FOR
> 7884*  V.J Rada  3.0  Mother, May I?   V.J Rada1 sh.
PRESENT
> 7885*  o, [3]3.0  Restraining Bolt o   1 sh.
FOR
>7886*  Aris, [4] 2.0  Card Reform and Expansion v4 Aris1 sh.
FOR
> 7887*  Aris  3.0  SLR Ratification Aris1 sh.
FOR
> 7888*  o, V.J Rada   3.1  BILLY MAYS HERE  o   1 sh.
FOR
> 7889*  Aris  3.0  Agora Protection Act Aris1 sh.
Don't care. PRESENT.
> 7890*  Aris, G.  2.0  Improved Buoyancy v2 Aris1 sh.
I don't even remember what this is, PRESENT
> 7891*  Gaelan1.0  Proletarian Revolution   Gaelan  1 sh.
PRESENT
> 7892*  Aris  1.0  Truthfulness v2  Aris1 sh.
AGAINST
> 7893*  V.J Rada, [1] 2.0  Zimbabwe-style economics V.J Rada1 sh.
FOR
> 7894*  G.2.0  Shiny WeatherG.  1 AP
AGAINST
> 7895*  Gaelan3.0  No Telepathy Gaelan  1 sh.
AGAINST
> 7896*  P.S.S. [5]3.0  Registration Delay Fix   P.S.S.  1 AP
FOR
> 7897*  CB [1]1.0  University Funding   Aris1 sh.
PRESENT on the basis that i don't care
> 7898*  G.2.0  Community Chest  G.  1 AP
FOR

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 11:47 AM, Aris Merchant
 wrote:
> I vote as follows:
>>
>> ID Author(s) AI   TitlePender  Pend fee
>> ---
>> 7876*  o 2.0  Float On o   1 AP
> FOR. Sensible reform.
>
>> 7877*  CB [1]1.0  Monsters CB [1]  1 AP
> FOR. It's just a stub, but an interesting one.
>
>> 7878*  Gaelan1.0  Not So Cuddly NowAris1 sh.
> FOR. I note that if a player objects to their own deregistration, e
> still blocks it, because it would mean that e had sent a message to
> the PF.
>
>> 7879*  o, Aris   1.0  You can take it with you o   1 sh.
> FOR. No one uses it, and it's a messy and broken rule.
>
>> 7880*  o 1.0  Agency Typo Fix  o   1 sh.
> FOR.
>
>> 7881*  o, [2]1.0  Stamp CAN Patch  o   1 sh.
> FOR, as a necessary fix.
>
>> 7882*  o, K, ais523  1.0  Welcome Package CAN Patcho   1 sh.
> FOR, on the same basis.
>
>> 7883*  G.1.0  Fear v2.1G.  1 sh.
> FOR. This sounds like a fun idea.
>
>> 7884*  V.J Rada  3.0  Mother, May I?   V.J Rada1 sh.
> AGAINST. As several people have shown, this is dangerous.
>
>> 7885*  o, [3]3.0  Restraining Bolt o   1 sh.
> FOR. Needed fix.
>
>> 7886*  Aris, [4] 2.0  Card Reform and Expansion v4 Aris1 sh.
> FOR. Well, it seems like a good idea.
>
>> 7887*  Aris  3.0  SLR Ratification Aris1 sh.
> FOR. As I said, the amount of time since we last did this is terrifying.
>
>> 7888*  o, V.J Rada   3.1  BILLY MAYS HERE  o   1 sh.
> FOR. Obviously an urgent fix.
>
>> 7889*  Aris  3.0  Agora Protection Act Aris1 sh.
> FOR. I would prefer for Agora not to end.
>
>> 7890*  Aris, G.  2.0  Improved Buoyancy v2 Aris1 sh.
> FOR. This would have taken the teeth out of the recent crisis.
>
>> 7891*  Gaelan1.0  Proletarian Revolution   Gaelan  1 sh.
> AGAINST. I disagree with terrifying players into spending. Also, I'm
> still concerned about the impact on public service organizations.
>
>> 7892*  Aris  1.0  Truthfulness v2  Aris1 sh.
> FOR. Seems like an interesting thing to play around with. I note that
> G.'s karma idea is also interesting, but they're not incompatible.
>
>> 7893*  V.J Rada, [1] 2.0  Zimbabwe-style economics V.J Rada1 sh.
> FOR. I'd like Agora to stay solvent for a while.
>
>> 7894*  G.2.0  Shiny WeatherG.  1 AP
> PRESENT, for the time being. The idea of Agora's balance decreasing
> makes me very nervous, but could be fun.
>
>> 7895*  Gaelan3.0  No Telepathy Gaelan  1 sh.
> AGAINST. This is a bad idea. It arguably breaks 

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Pending Proletarian Rerevolution

[Aris Merchant]

I also note that you didn't specify how you pended v1, so that action failed.

-Aris

On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 6:33 PM, Aris Merchant
 wrote:
> Oops. I forgot out the old version. Can we just let it self
> ratify-itself away? The new version seems like it can be free
> standing. I also forgot to pend your other one before distributing,
> could you just pay Agora a shiny?
>
> -Aris
>
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 6:31 PM, Gaelan Steele  wrote:
>> I pend Proletarian Rerevolution. I’d advise everybody to vote FOR the 
>> current proposal now; the only difference is the fix to the agency scam (and 
>> a minor change about combustion tiebreaking, making ties go to poorer 
>> players instead of older ones), and I believe the current Hot Potato holder 
>> (o) is not the kind of player to try and cheat the system. The loophole will 
>> be patched next resolution when the v2 is passed.
>>
>> Gaelan

DIS: Re: BUS: Pending Proletarian Rerevolution

[Aris Merchant]

Oops. I forgot out the old version. Can we just let it self
ratify-itself away? The new version seems like it can be free
standing. I also forgot to pend your other one before distributing,
could you just pay Agora a shiny?

-Aris

On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 6:31 PM, Gaelan Steele  wrote:
> I pend Proletarian Rerevolution. I’d advise everybody to vote FOR the current 
> proposal now; the only difference is the fix to the agency scam (and a minor 
> change about combustion tiebreaking, making ties go to poorer players instead 
> of older ones), and I believe the current Hot Potato holder (o) is not the 
> kind of player to try and cheat the system. The loophole will be patched next 
> resolution when the v2 is passed.
>
> Gaelan

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Cuddle Beam]

Likely much like we do today lol.

Roman grafitti is very funny and strikingly similar to us nowadays:
http://www.pompeiana.org/Resources/Ancient/Graffiti%20from%20Pompeii.htm

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 3:07 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> > (also, for what it's worth, I also go hunting for PSS's full name and
> copy/
> > paste whenever I need it :P )
>
> Actually I've been meaning to ask:  how would a fellow Roman back in the
> day refer to Publius Scribonius Scholasticus (i.e. informally)?
> Would it be "Publius"?  Dunno much about how Roman family names work, but
> being classically correct is probably perferrable to using "PSS"...
>
> -G.  (actually pronounced "Goethe", alt. "Gravity")
>
>
>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Kerim Aydin]

On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> (also, for what it's worth, I also go hunting for PSS's full name and copy/
> paste whenever I need it :P )

Actually I've been meaning to ask:  how would a fellow Roman back in the
day refer to Publius Scribonius Scholasticus (i.e. informally)?
Would it be "Publius"?  Dunno much about how Roman family names work, but
being classically correct is probably perferrable to using "PSS"...

-G.  (actually pronounced "Goethe", alt. "Gravity")

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Josh T]

I suppose it's better than "Josh". Don't overdo it, I guess, but it's not
like I can stop you.

天火狐

On 10 September 2017 at 20:58, Cuddle Beam  wrote:

> I'll do "Fox" then (much how I say PSS and not the full name every lol)
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:56 AM, Kerim Aydin 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> (also, for what it's worth, I also go hunting for PSS's full name and
>> copy/
>> paste whenever I need it :P )
>>
>> On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>> > Thanks!  I was remembering that you'd given a favored transliteration
>> back
>> > then, but couldn't find it.
>> >
>> > I think I'll add this as gratuitous arguments to that case log, so I'll
>> > know where to find it :).
>> >
>> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Josh T wrote:
>> > > I thought I posted it somewhere, but evidently I didn't. I wrote it
>> when the
>> > > CFJ said that I should change it to a transliteration thereof, and
>> provide
>> > > a preferred reading. The preferred reading/transliteration is
>> "amatsukagitsune"
>> > > and translates to "celestial fire-fox" (with that reading---there are
>> other
>> > > meanings possible depending on the reading since Japanese is fun that
>> way).
>> > > I suppose "the celestial fox" is acceptable if it makes the sentence
>> flow
>> > > better, but I would prefer to have the characters used as it appears
>> as I
>> > > sign it; using Josh is anathema. Now that everyone knows, I expect no
>> more
>> > > mess-ups from everyone currently subscribed, yes?
>> > > 天火狐
>>
>>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Cuddle Beam]

I'll do "Fox" then (much how I say PSS and not the full name every lol)

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:56 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> (also, for what it's worth, I also go hunting for PSS's full name and copy/
> paste whenever I need it :P )
>
> On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> > Thanks!  I was remembering that you'd given a favored transliteration
> back
> > then, but couldn't find it.
> >
> > I think I'll add this as gratuitous arguments to that case log, so I'll
> > know where to find it :).
> >
> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Josh T wrote:
> > > I thought I posted it somewhere, but evidently I didn't. I wrote it
> when the
> > > CFJ said that I should change it to a transliteration thereof, and
> provide
> > > a preferred reading. The preferred reading/transliteration is
> "amatsukagitsune"
> > > and translates to "celestial fire-fox" (with that reading---there are
> other
> > > meanings possible depending on the reading since Japanese is fun that
> way).
> > > I suppose "the celestial fox" is acceptable if it makes the sentence
> flow
> > > better, but I would prefer to have the characters used as it appears
> as I
> > > sign it; using Josh is anathema. Now that everyone knows, I expect no
> more
> > > mess-ups from everyone currently subscribed, yes?
> > > 天火狐
>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Kerim Aydin]

(also, for what it's worth, I also go hunting for PSS's full name and copy/
paste whenever I need it :P )

On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: 
> Thanks!  I was remembering that you'd given a favored transliteration back
> then, but couldn't find it.
> 
> I think I'll add this as gratuitous arguments to that case log, so I'll
> know where to find it :).
> 
> On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Josh T wrote:
> > I thought I posted it somewhere, but evidently I didn't. I wrote it when 
> > the 
> > CFJ said that I should change it to a transliteration thereof, and provide
> > a preferred reading. The preferred reading/transliteration is 
> > "amatsukagitsune"
> > and translates to "celestial fire-fox" (with that reading---there are other
> > meanings possible depending on the reading since Japanese is fun that way). 
> > I suppose "the celestial fox" is acceptable if it makes the sentence flow
> > better, but I would prefer to have the characters used as it appears as I
> > sign it; using Josh is anathema. Now that everyone knows, I expect no more
> > mess-ups from everyone currently subscribed, yes?
> > 天火狐

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Kerim Aydin]

Thanks!  I was remembering that you'd given a favored transliteration back
then, but couldn't find it.

I think I'll add this as gratuitous arguments to that case log, so I'll
know where to find it :).

On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Josh T wrote:
> I thought I posted it somewhere, but evidently I didn't. I wrote it when the 
> CFJ said that I should change it to a transliteration thereof, and provide
> a preferred reading. The preferred reading/transliteration is 
> "amatsukagitsune"
> and translates to "celestial fire-fox" (with that reading---there are other
> meanings possible depending on the reading since Japanese is fun that way). 
> I suppose "the celestial fox" is acceptable if it makes the sentence flow
> better, but I would prefer to have the characters used as it appears as I
> sign it; using Josh is anathema. Now that everyone knows, I expect no more
> mess-ups from everyone currently subscribed, yes?
> 天火狐
> 
> On 10 September 2017 at 20:26, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> 
> 
>   天火狐, would you be willing to supply either a transliteration of
>   the Japanese sounds to your desired spelling, or go by "The sky fox"?
>   (I think that latter choice is slightly off your desired translation
>   IIRC).  I'll respect it if you don't, but I'm always pausing to go
>   copy and paste when referring to you.
> 
>   On Mon, 11 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote:
>   > yeah e should be referred to as 天火狐 but it's not a memorable word.
>   >
>   > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>   >  wrote:
>   > > Nicknames are common law issues. But ratified Registrar’s reports 
> contradict that and if they don’t they will in the future.
>   > > 
>   > > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>   > > p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >> On Sep 10, 2017, at 8:13 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
>   > >>
>   > >> Eir agoran nickname is Josh T, as judged in a CFJ I believe.
>   > >>
>   > >> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:10 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>   > >>  wrote:
>   > >>> Then, you aren’t respecting him or his wishes.
>   > >>> 
>   > >>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>   > >>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>   > >>>
>   > >>>
>   > >>>
>   >  On Sep 10, 2017, at 8:09 PM, Cuddle Beam  
> wrote:
>   > 
>   >  Dude I'm not writing that japanese lol
>   > 
>   >  On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:08 AM, Josh T 
>  wrote:
>   >  I would prefer to be addressed by what I sign my emails, not 
> what the header says.
>   > 
>   >  天火狐
>   > 
>   >  On 10 September 2017 at 19:54, Cuddle Beam 
>  wrote:
>   >  @Josh we really need that corkboard.
>   > 
>   >  I really should get to making that. Please link me/pasta me your 
> Agency and I'll add it as another business opportunity for you to it.
>   > 
>   >  On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:50 AM, Josh T 
>  wrote:
>   > > Vote purchases/sells when
>   > 
>   >  Have you not seen my latest Agency?
>   > 
>   >  天火狐
>   > 
>   >  On 10 September 2017 at 19:45, Cuddle Beam 
>  wrote:
>   >  I'd make it so that each new player has something to bargain 
> with though, to start. Maybe encourage them to sell APs or Trust Tokens.
>   > 
>   >  Feels a bit like Mad Max and I love it. I enjoy entrepreneurship 
> a lot, I'd love to see people open businesses and make business myself.
>   > 
>   > > Loan Bank when
>   > > AP brokers when
>   > > Vote purchase/sells when
>   > 
>   >  On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus 
>  wrote:
>   >  This is the direction that I am going with my ideas.
>   >  
>   >  Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>   >  p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > > On Sep 10, 2017, at 7:12 PM, Kerim Aydin 
>  wrote:
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > Time to get serious and allow Agora to float a bond issue and 
> privately
>   > > finance eir debt.
>   > >
>   > > Other ideas:
>   > > - V.J. Rada's idea of right-sizing to number of players is a 
> good one,
>   > >   as part of the float calculations possibly.
>   > >
>   > > - How about *deflation*.  Allow fractional values, I'm curious 
> if the
>   > >   downward pressure on floating value will stabilize at 

DIS: Re: BUS: Votes & Stuff

[Josh T]

Yeah, that's the one. CB: you get yourself a freebie since someone else dug
it up for you.

天火狐

On 10 September 2017 at 20:12, VJ Rada  wrote:

> I cause 天火狐 using eir latest agency which I believe is 狐票店 but I make
> no promises, to vote in the ADoP and PM elections in this way ""I
> endorse the entity who has, between the period of the posting of this
> message and the tallying of the vote, transferred strictly the most
> value in Assets (assessed at the most recent market valuation of the
> Asset in Shinies available during vote tallying) to 天火狐; in the event
> of a tie or otherwise an inability to clearly determine such an
> entity, my vote is PRESENT.
>
> I transfer 天火狐; 1 shiny (going to 7?)
>
> --
> From V.J Rada
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Josh T]

I thought I posted it somewhere, but evidently I didn't. I wrote it when
the CFJ said that I should change it to a transliteration thereof, and
provide a preferred reading.

The preferred reading/transliteration is "amatsukagitsune" and translates
to "celestial fire-fox" (with that reading---there are other meanings
possible depending on the reading since Japanese is fun that way). I
suppose "the celestial fox" is acceptable if it makes the sentence flow
better, but I would prefer to have the characters used as it appears as I
sign it; using Josh is anathema. Now that everyone knows, I expect no more
mess-ups from everyone currently subscribed, yes?

天火狐

On 10 September 2017 at 20:26, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> 天火狐, would you be willing to supply either a transliteration of
> the Japanese sounds to your desired spelling, or go by "The sky fox"?
> (I think that latter choice is slightly off your desired translation
> IIRC).  I'll respect it if you don't, but I'm always pausing to go
> copy and paste when referring to you.
>
> On Mon, 11 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote:
> > yeah e should be referred to as 天火狐 but it's not a memorable word.
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >  wrote:
> > > Nicknames are common law issues. But ratified Registrar’s reports
> contradict that and if they don’t they will in the future.
> > > 
> > > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> > > p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Sep 10, 2017, at 8:13 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Eir agoran nickname is Josh T, as judged in a CFJ I believe.
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:10 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> > >>  wrote:
> > >>> Then, you aren’t respecting him or his wishes.
> > >>> 
> > >>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> > >>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >  On Sep 10, 2017, at 8:09 PM, Cuddle Beam 
> wrote:
> > 
> >  Dude I'm not writing that japanese lol
> > 
> >  On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:08 AM, Josh T 
> wrote:
> >  I would prefer to be addressed by what I sign my emails, not what
> the header says.
> > 
> >  天火狐
> > 
> >  On 10 September 2017 at 19:54, Cuddle Beam 
> wrote:
> >  @Josh we really need that corkboard.
> > 
> >  I really should get to making that. Please link me/pasta me your
> Agency and I'll add it as another business opportunity for you to it.
> > 
> >  On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:50 AM, Josh T 
> wrote:
> > > Vote purchases/sells when
> > 
> >  Have you not seen my latest Agency?
> > 
> >  天火狐
> > 
> >  On 10 September 2017 at 19:45, Cuddle Beam 
> wrote:
> >  I'd make it so that each new player has something to bargain with
> though, to start. Maybe encourage them to sell APs or Trust Tokens.
> > 
> >  Feels a bit like Mad Max and I love it. I enjoy entrepreneurship a
> lot, I'd love to see people open businesses and make business myself.
> > 
> > > Loan Bank when
> > > AP brokers when
> > > Vote purchase/sells when
> > 
> >  On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >  This is the direction that I am going with my ideas.
> >  
> >  Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >  p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > On Sep 10, 2017, at 7:12 PM, Kerim Aydin 
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Time to get serious and allow Agora to float a bond issue and
> privately
> > > finance eir debt.
> > >
> > > Other ideas:
> > > - V.J. Rada's idea of right-sizing to number of players is a good
> one,
> > >   as part of the float calculations possibly.
> > >
> > > - How about *deflation*.  Allow fractional values, I'm curious if
> the
> > >   downward pressure on floating value will stabilize at some
> fraction
> > >   of a shiny or exponentially decay to 0...
> > >
> > > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
> > >> Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much
> more
> > >> than that is a tad extreme, no?
> > >>
> > >> -Aris
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Cuddle Beam <
> cuddleb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the
> economy will
> > >>> destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies
> available, for
> > >>> example.
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> > >>>  wrote:
> > 
> >  I 

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Kerim Aydin]

天火狐, would you be willing to supply either a transliteration of
the Japanese sounds to your desired spelling, or go by "The sky fox"?
(I think that latter choice is slightly off your desired translation
IIRC).  I'll respect it if you don't, but I'm always pausing to go
copy and paste when referring to you.

On Mon, 11 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote:
> yeah e should be referred to as 天火狐 but it's not a memorable word.
> 
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>  wrote:
> > Nicknames are common law issues. But ratified Registrar’s reports 
> > contradict that and if they don’t they will in the future.
> > 
> > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> > p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Sep 10, 2017, at 8:13 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
> >>
> >> Eir agoran nickname is Josh T, as judged in a CFJ I believe.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:10 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >>  wrote:
> >>> Then, you aren’t respecting him or his wishes.
> >>> 
> >>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>  On Sep 10, 2017, at 8:09 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
> 
>  Dude I'm not writing that japanese lol
> 
>  On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:08 AM, Josh T  
>  wrote:
>  I would prefer to be addressed by what I sign my emails, not what the 
>  header says.
> 
>  天火狐
> 
>  On 10 September 2017 at 19:54, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>  @Josh we really need that corkboard.
> 
>  I really should get to making that. Please link me/pasta me your Agency 
>  and I'll add it as another business opportunity for you to it.
> 
>  On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:50 AM, Josh T  
>  wrote:
> > Vote purchases/sells when
> 
>  Have you not seen my latest Agency?
> 
>  天火狐
> 
>  On 10 September 2017 at 19:45, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>  I'd make it so that each new player has something to bargain with 
>  though, to start. Maybe encourage them to sell APs or Trust Tokens.
> 
>  Feels a bit like Mad Max and I love it. I enjoy entrepreneurship a lot, 
>  I'd love to see people open businesses and make business myself.
> 
> > Loan Bank when
> > AP brokers when
> > Vote purchase/sells when
> 
>  On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus 
>   wrote:
>  This is the direction that I am going with my ideas.
>  
>  Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>  p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 7:12 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Time to get serious and allow Agora to float a bond issue and privately
> > finance eir debt.
> >
> > Other ideas:
> > - V.J. Rada's idea of right-sizing to number of players is a good one,
> >   as part of the float calculations possibly.
> >
> > - How about *deflation*.  Allow fractional values, I'm curious if the
> >   downward pressure on floating value will stabilize at some fraction
> >   of a shiny or exponentially decay to 0...
> >
> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
> >> Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much more
> >> than that is a tad extreme, no?
> >>
> >> -Aris
> >>
> >> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Cuddle Beam  
> >> wrote:
> >>> I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the 
> >>> economy will
> >>> destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies 
> >>> available, for
> >>> example.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >>>  wrote:
> 
>  I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous ideas. 
>  You
>  can view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my fork 
>  of the
>  ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a photo 
>  for
>  comment.
>  
>  Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>  p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin  
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum 
> > salary
> > or other basic shiny supply is passed.
> >
> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> >> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
> 

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3556 assigned to G.

[VJ Rada]

3555 should really be reassigned, yup.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>
>
> To give another week on this while awaiting other judges:
>I file a Motion to Reconsider the below judgement of CFJ 3556.
>
> On Mon, 4 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>> I judge CFJ 3556 as follows:
>>
>> INSUFFICIENT.  In addition to limited caller's arguments, judging this
>> correctly required a judgement of CFJ 3555 from Judge grok.
>>
>> If grok delivers a judgement of 3555 within the reconsideration window,
>> I'll file a motion to reconsider this one.
>>
>> On Sat, 26 Aug 2017, Alex Smith wrote:
>>
>> > On Fri, 2017-08-25 at 03:49 +0100, Alex Smith wrote:
>> > > On Fri, 2017-08-25 at 04:32 +0200, Cuddle Beam wrote:
>> > > > Is the comma important? It's probably important.
>> > > >
>> > > > So:
>> > > >
>> > > > Once for each of Quazie's Agencies, I have Quazie appoint me the title 
>> > > > of
>> > > > Speaker via that Agency's Powers, as an action on behalf of Quazie.
>> > > >
>> > > > Once for each of Quazie's Agencies, I appoint myself Speaker and have
>> > > > Quazie Support it via that Agency's Powers, as an action on behalf of
>> > > > Quazie.
>> > > >
>> > > > Once for each of Quazie's Agencies, I appoint myself Speaker via that
>> > > > Agency's Powers on behalf of Quazie.
>> > > >
>> > > > Once for each of Quazie's Agencies, I perform an action such which via 
>> > > > use
>> > > > of that Agency, would grant me the title of Speaker.
>> > > >
>> > > > I award myself a Platinum Ribbon.
>> > > >
>> > > > I withdraw my latest CFJ of "Cuddlebeam has a Platinum Ribbon."
>> > > >
>> > > > I now CFJ: "Cuddlebeam has a Platinum Ribbon".
>> > >
>> > > I call for judgement on the statement "Cuddlebeam has a Platinum
>> > > Ribbon", by spending 1 Action Point.
>> > >
>> > > I assign the resulting CFJ the ID number 3556, and assign it to
>> > > Cuddlebeam. Work your way through your messes yourself!
>> >
>> > This CFJ was called legally, but not assigned legally. I thus instead
>> > assign it to G. (who favoured it). I also suggest that the judgement
>> > should discuss Cuddlebeam's third attempt to perform these actions,
>> > even though it occurred after the calling of the CFJ.
>> >
>> > > > On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 4:28 AM, Cuddle Beam  
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > I have no idea how the method to do that would be because I'm not up 
>> > > > > to
>> > > > > date, but, as a shot in the dark:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Once, for each of Quazie's Agencies, I have Quazie appoint me the 
>> > > > > title of
>> > > > > Speaker via that Agency's Powers, as an action on behalf of Quazie.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Once, for each of Quazie's Agencies, I appoint myself Speaker and 
>> > > > > have
>> > > > > Quazie Support it via that Agency's Powers, as an action on behalf of
>> > > > > Quazie.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Once, for each of Quazie's Agencies, I appoint myself Speaker via 
>> > > > > that
>> > > > > Agency's Powers on behalf of Quazie.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Once, for each of Quazie's Agencies, I perform an action such which 
>> > > > > via
>> > > > > use of that Agency, would grant me the title of Speaker.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I award myself a Platinum Ribbon.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I CFJ: Cuddlebeam has a Platinum Ribbon.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 3:28 AM, V.J Rada  
>> > > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > Assuming either PSSs announcement or my ratification worked, anyone
>> > > > > > can use Quazie's agency to appoint themselves speaker. If G's 
>> > > > > > recent
>> > > > > > CFJ is correct and my ratification didn't work, Cuddle can still do
>> > > > > > so.
>> > > > > > --
>> > > > > > From V.J Rada
>> >
>> > --
>> > ais523
>> > Arbitor
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>



-- 
>From V.J Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[VJ Rada]

yeah e should be referred to as 天火狐 but it's not a memorable word.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
 wrote:
> Nicknames are common law issues. But ratified Registrar’s reports contradict 
> that and if they don’t they will in the future.
> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>
>
>
>> On Sep 10, 2017, at 8:13 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
>>
>> Eir agoran nickname is Josh T, as judged in a CFJ I believe.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:10 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>  wrote:
>>> Then, you aren’t respecting him or his wishes.
>>> 
>>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
 On Sep 10, 2017, at 8:09 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:

 Dude I'm not writing that japanese lol

 On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:08 AM, Josh T  wrote:
 I would prefer to be addressed by what I sign my emails, not what the 
 header says.

 天火狐

 On 10 September 2017 at 19:54, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
 @Josh we really need that corkboard.

 I really should get to making that. Please link me/pasta me your Agency 
 and I'll add it as another business opportunity for you to it.

 On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:50 AM, Josh T  wrote:
> Vote purchases/sells when

 Have you not seen my latest Agency?

 天火狐

 On 10 September 2017 at 19:45, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
 I'd make it so that each new player has something to bargain with though, 
 to start. Maybe encourage them to sell APs or Trust Tokens.

 Feels a bit like Mad Max and I love it. I enjoy entrepreneurship a lot, 
 I'd love to see people open businesses and make business myself.

> Loan Bank when
> AP brokers when
> Vote purchase/sells when

 On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus 
  wrote:
 This is the direction that I am going with my ideas.
 
 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
 p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



> On Sep 10, 2017, at 7:12 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>
>
>
> Time to get serious and allow Agora to float a bond issue and privately
> finance eir debt.
>
> Other ideas:
> - V.J. Rada's idea of right-sizing to number of players is a good one,
>   as part of the float calculations possibly.
>
> - How about *deflation*.  Allow fractional values, I'm curious if the
>   downward pressure on floating value will stabilize at some fraction
>   of a shiny or exponentially decay to 0...
>
> On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
>> Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much more
>> than that is a tad extreme, no?
>>
>> -Aris
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Cuddle Beam  
>> wrote:
>>> I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the economy 
>>> will
>>> destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies 
>>> available, for
>>> example.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>>  wrote:

 I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous ideas. 
 You
 can view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my fork 
 of the
 ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a photo for
 comment.
 
 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
 p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



> On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin  
> wrote:
>
>
>
> A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum salary
> or other basic shiny supply is passed.
>
> On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
>> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join 
>> and
>> Leave Agora
>> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
>> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
>> consent.
>>
>> A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
>> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
>> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
>> +  for 30 days.
>>
>> If a player has not sent a message to 

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Semi-Pended Prop] No Telepathy

[Cuddle Beam]

Maybe change it so that the gamestate at any present time must be
calculable from all current public messages.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:57 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> This means that absolutely no platonic actions happen.  Are you sure
> this doesn't break lots of stuff?
>
> Example:  "At the start of each month, person X CAN and SHALL Y in a
> timely fashion".  This changes the gamestate such that person X can
> now do Y.
>
> On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Gaelan Steele wrote:
> > I create the proposal “No Telepathy” with AI 3 by Gaelan, with the
> following text: {{
> > Append the following sentence to the second-to-last paragraph of 478
> “Fora”: “Rules to the contrary notwithstanding, it is IMPOSSIBLE for the
> gamestate to change other than as the immediate result of a public message.
> > }}
> >
> > I list pending this proposal with a shiny as Performable By Agency for
> GII, so long as the agent is currently the Promotor (and it hasn’t been
> pended before; not sure if that’s possible, but I don’t want to be robbed).
> I request that the promotor pend this right before promoting; I just want
> time to publish revisions between now and then.
> >
> > Gaelan
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

Nicknames are common law issues. But ratified Registrar’s reports contradict 
that and if they don’t they will in the future.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



> On Sep 10, 2017, at 8:13 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
> 
> Eir agoran nickname is Josh T, as judged in a CFJ I believe.
> 
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:10 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>  wrote:
>> Then, you aren’t respecting him or his wishes.
>> 
>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 10, 2017, at 8:09 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dude I'm not writing that japanese lol
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:08 AM, Josh T  wrote:
>>> I would prefer to be addressed by what I sign my emails, not what the 
>>> header says.
>>> 
>>> 天火狐
>>> 
>>> On 10 September 2017 at 19:54, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>>> @Josh we really need that corkboard.
>>> 
>>> I really should get to making that. Please link me/pasta me your Agency and 
>>> I'll add it as another business opportunity for you to it.
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:50 AM, Josh T  wrote:
 Vote purchases/sells when
>>> 
>>> Have you not seen my latest Agency?
>>> 
>>> 天火狐
>>> 
>>> On 10 September 2017 at 19:45, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>>> I'd make it so that each new player has something to bargain with though, 
>>> to start. Maybe encourage them to sell APs or Trust Tokens.
>>> 
>>> Feels a bit like Mad Max and I love it. I enjoy entrepreneurship a lot, I'd 
>>> love to see people open businesses and make business myself.
>>> 
 Loan Bank when
 AP brokers when
 Vote purchase/sells when
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus 
>>>  wrote:
>>> This is the direction that I am going with my ideas.
>>> 
>>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 10, 2017, at 7:12 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
 
 
 
 Time to get serious and allow Agora to float a bond issue and privately
 finance eir debt.
 
 Other ideas:
 - V.J. Rada's idea of right-sizing to number of players is a good one,
   as part of the float calculations possibly.
 
 - How about *deflation*.  Allow fractional values, I'm curious if the
   downward pressure on floating value will stabilize at some fraction
   of a shiny or exponentially decay to 0...
 
 On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
> Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much more
> than that is a tad extreme, no?
> 
> -Aris
> 
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>> I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the economy 
>> will
>> destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies available, 
>> for
>> example.
>> 
>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous ideas. You
>>> can view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my fork of 
>>> the
>>> ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a photo for
>>> comment.
>>> 
>>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin  
 wrote:
 
 
 
 A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum salary
 or other basic shiny supply is passed.
 
 On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join and
> Leave Agora
> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
> consent.
> 
> A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
> +  for 30 days.
> 
> If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
> month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
> }
> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[VJ Rada]

Eir agoran nickname is Josh T, as judged in a CFJ I believe.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 10:10 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
 wrote:
> Then, you aren’t respecting him or his wishes.
> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>
>
>
>> On Sep 10, 2017, at 8:09 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>>
>> Dude I'm not writing that japanese lol
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:08 AM, Josh T  wrote:
>> I would prefer to be addressed by what I sign my emails, not what the header 
>> says.
>>
>> 天火狐
>>
>> On 10 September 2017 at 19:54, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>> @Josh we really need that corkboard.
>>
>> I really should get to making that. Please link me/pasta me your Agency and 
>> I'll add it as another business opportunity for you to it.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:50 AM, Josh T  wrote:
>> > Vote purchases/sells when
>>
>> Have you not seen my latest Agency?
>>
>> 天火狐
>>
>> On 10 September 2017 at 19:45, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>> I'd make it so that each new player has something to bargain with though, to 
>> start. Maybe encourage them to sell APs or Trust Tokens.
>>
>> Feels a bit like Mad Max and I love it. I enjoy entrepreneurship a lot, I'd 
>> love to see people open businesses and make business myself.
>>
>> >Loan Bank when
>> >AP brokers when
>> >Vote purchase/sells when
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus 
>>  wrote:
>> This is the direction that I am going with my ideas.
>> 
>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 7:12 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Time to get serious and allow Agora to float a bond issue and privately
>> > finance eir debt.
>> >
>> > Other ideas:
>> >  - V.J. Rada's idea of right-sizing to number of players is a good one,
>> >as part of the float calculations possibly.
>> >
>> >  - How about *deflation*.  Allow fractional values, I'm curious if the
>> >downward pressure on floating value will stabilize at some fraction
>> >of a shiny or exponentially decay to 0...
>> >
>> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
>> >> Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much more
>> >> than that is a tad extreme, no?
>> >>
>> >> -Aris
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>> >>> I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the economy 
>> >>> will
>> >>> destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies available, 
>> >>> for
>> >>> example.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>> >>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous ideas. You
>>  can view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my fork of 
>>  the
>>  ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a photo for
>>  comment.
>>  
>>  Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>  p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin  
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum salary
>> > or other basic shiny supply is passed.
>> >
>> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>> >> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
>> >> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join and
>> >> Leave Agora
>> >> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
>> >> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>> >> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>> >> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
>> >>  consent.
>> >>
>> >>  A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
>> >> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
>> >> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
>> >> +  for 30 days.
>> >>
>> >>  If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
>> >>  month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
>> >> }
>> >> 
>> >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>> >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> 
>> >>>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>



-- 
>From V.J Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

Then, you aren’t respecting him or his wishes.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



> On Sep 10, 2017, at 8:09 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
> 
> Dude I'm not writing that japanese lol
> 
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:08 AM, Josh T  wrote:
> I would prefer to be addressed by what I sign my emails, not what the header 
> says.
> 
> 天火狐
> 
> On 10 September 2017 at 19:54, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
> @Josh we really need that corkboard.
> 
> I really should get to making that. Please link me/pasta me your Agency and 
> I'll add it as another business opportunity for you to it.
> 
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:50 AM, Josh T  wrote:
> > Vote purchases/sells when
> 
> Have you not seen my latest Agency?
> 
> 天火狐
> 
> On 10 September 2017 at 19:45, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
> I'd make it so that each new player has something to bargain with though, to 
> start. Maybe encourage them to sell APs or Trust Tokens.
> 
> Feels a bit like Mad Max and I love it. I enjoy entrepreneurship a lot, I'd 
> love to see people open businesses and make business myself.
> 
> >Loan Bank when
> >AP brokers when
> >Vote purchase/sells when
> 
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus 
>  wrote:
> This is the direction that I am going with my ideas.
> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 7:12 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Time to get serious and allow Agora to float a bond issue and privately
> > finance eir debt.
> >
> > Other ideas:
> >  - V.J. Rada's idea of right-sizing to number of players is a good one,
> >as part of the float calculations possibly.
> >
> >  - How about *deflation*.  Allow fractional values, I'm curious if the
> >downward pressure on floating value will stabilize at some fraction
> >of a shiny or exponentially decay to 0...
> >
> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
> >> Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much more
> >> than that is a tad extreme, no?
> >>
> >> -Aris
> >>
> >> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
> >>> I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the economy 
> >>> will
> >>> destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies available, 
> >>> for
> >>> example.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >>>  wrote:
> 
>  I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous ideas. You
>  can view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my fork of 
>  the
>  ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a photo for
>  comment.
>  
>  Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>  p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum salary
> > or other basic shiny supply is passed.
> >
> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> >> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
> >> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join and
> >> Leave Agora
> >> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
> >> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> >> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> >> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
> >>  consent.
> >>
> >>  A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
> >> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
> >> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
> >> +  for 30 days.
> >>
> >>  If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
> >>  month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
> >> }
> >> 
> >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> 
> >>>
> >>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



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Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Cuddle Beam]

Dude I'm not writing that japanese lol

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:08 AM, Josh T  wrote:

> I would prefer to be addressed by what I sign my emails, not what the
> header says.
>
> 天火狐
>
> On 10 September 2017 at 19:54, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>
>> @Josh we really need that corkboard.
>>
>> I really should get to making that. Please link me/pasta me your Agency
>> and I'll add it as another business opportunity for you to it.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:50 AM, Josh T 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> > Vote purchases/sells when
>>>
>>> Have you not seen my latest Agency?
>>>
>>> 天火狐
>>>
>>> On 10 September 2017 at 19:45, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>>>
 I'd make it so that each new player has something to bargain with
 though, to start. Maybe encourage them to sell APs or Trust Tokens.

 Feels a bit like Mad Max and I love it. I enjoy entrepreneurship a lot,
 I'd love to see people open businesses and make business myself.

 >Loan Bank when
 >AP brokers when
 >Vote purchase/sells when

 On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
 p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> This is the direction that I am going with my ideas.
> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>
>
>
> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 7:12 PM, Kerim Aydin 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Time to get serious and allow Agora to float a bond issue and
> privately
> > finance eir debt.
> >
> > Other ideas:
> >  - V.J. Rada's idea of right-sizing to number of players is a good
> one,
> >as part of the float calculations possibly.
> >
> >  - How about *deflation*.  Allow fractional values, I'm curious if
> the
> >downward pressure on floating value will stabilize at some
> fraction
> >of a shiny or exponentially decay to 0...
> >
> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
> >> Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much
> more
> >> than that is a tad extreme, no?
> >>
> >> -Aris
> >>
> >> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Cuddle Beam 
> wrote:
> >>> I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the
> economy will
> >>> destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies
> available, for
> >>> example.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >>>  wrote:
> 
>  I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous
> ideas. You
>  can view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my
> fork of the
>  ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a
> photo for
>  comment.
>  
>  Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>  p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum
> salary
> > or other basic shiny supply is passed.
> >
> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> >> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
> >> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to
> Join and
> >> Leave Agora
> >> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
> >> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> >> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> >> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
> >>  consent.
> >>
> >>  A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
> >> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
> >> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a
> player
> >> +  for 30 days.
> >>
> >>  If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the
> last
> >>  month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
> >> }
> >> 
> >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> 
> >>>
> >>
>
>

>>>
>>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

For me those are the same.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



> On Sep 10, 2017, at 8:08 PM, Josh T  wrote:
> 
> I would prefer to be addressed by what I sign my emails, not what the header 
> says.
> 
> 天火狐
> 
> On 10 September 2017 at 19:54, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
> @Josh we really need that corkboard.
> 
> I really should get to making that. Please link me/pasta me your Agency and 
> I'll add it as another business opportunity for you to it.
> 
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:50 AM, Josh T  wrote:
> > Vote purchases/sells when
> 
> Have you not seen my latest Agency?
> 
> 天火狐
> 
> On 10 September 2017 at 19:45, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
> I'd make it so that each new player has something to bargain with though, to 
> start. Maybe encourage them to sell APs or Trust Tokens.
> 
> Feels a bit like Mad Max and I love it. I enjoy entrepreneurship a lot, I'd 
> love to see people open businesses and make business myself.
> 
> >Loan Bank when
> >AP brokers when
> >Vote purchase/sells when
> 
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus 
>  wrote:
> This is the direction that I am going with my ideas.
> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 7:12 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Time to get serious and allow Agora to float a bond issue and privately
> > finance eir debt.
> >
> > Other ideas:
> >  - V.J. Rada's idea of right-sizing to number of players is a good one,
> >as part of the float calculations possibly.
> >
> >  - How about *deflation*.  Allow fractional values, I'm curious if the
> >downward pressure on floating value will stabilize at some fraction
> >of a shiny or exponentially decay to 0...
> >
> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
> >> Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much more
> >> than that is a tad extreme, no?
> >>
> >> -Aris
> >>
> >> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
> >>> I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the economy 
> >>> will
> >>> destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies available, 
> >>> for
> >>> example.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >>>  wrote:
> 
>  I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous ideas. You
>  can view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my fork of 
>  the
>  ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a photo for
>  comment.
>  
>  Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>  p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum salary
> > or other basic shiny supply is passed.
> >
> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> >> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
> >> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join and
> >> Leave Agora
> >> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
> >> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> >> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> >> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
> >>  consent.
> >>
> >>  A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
> >> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
> >> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
> >> +  for 30 days.
> >>
> >>  If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
> >>  month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
> >> }
> >> 
> >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> 
> >>>
> >>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



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Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Josh T]

I would prefer to be addressed by what I sign my emails, not what the
header says.

天火狐

On 10 September 2017 at 19:54, Cuddle Beam  wrote:

> @Josh we really need that corkboard.
>
> I really should get to making that. Please link me/pasta me your Agency
> and I'll add it as another business opportunity for you to it.
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:50 AM, Josh T 
> wrote:
>
>> > Vote purchases/sells when
>>
>> Have you not seen my latest Agency?
>>
>> 天火狐
>>
>> On 10 September 2017 at 19:45, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>>
>>> I'd make it so that each new player has something to bargain with
>>> though, to start. Maybe encourage them to sell APs or Trust Tokens.
>>>
>>> Feels a bit like Mad Max and I love it. I enjoy entrepreneurship a lot,
>>> I'd love to see people open businesses and make business myself.
>>>
>>> >Loan Bank when
>>> >AP brokers when
>>> >Vote purchase/sells when
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
>>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
 This is the direction that I am going with my ideas.
 
 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
 p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



 > On Sep 10, 2017, at 7:12 PM, Kerim Aydin 
 wrote:
 >
 >
 >
 > Time to get serious and allow Agora to float a bond issue and
 privately
 > finance eir debt.
 >
 > Other ideas:
 >  - V.J. Rada's idea of right-sizing to number of players is a good
 one,
 >as part of the float calculations possibly.
 >
 >  - How about *deflation*.  Allow fractional values, I'm curious if the
 >downward pressure on floating value will stabilize at some fraction
 >of a shiny or exponentially decay to 0...
 >
 > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
 >> Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much
 more
 >> than that is a tad extreme, no?
 >>
 >> -Aris
 >>
 >> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Cuddle Beam 
 wrote:
 >>> I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the
 economy will
 >>> destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies
 available, for
 >>> example.
 >>>
 >>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
 >>>  wrote:
 
  I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous
 ideas. You
  can view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my
 fork of the
  ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a
 photo for
  comment.
  
  Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
  p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 > On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin 
 wrote:
 >
 >
 >
 > A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum
 salary
 > or other basic shiny supply is passed.
 >
 > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
 >> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
 >> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to
 Join and
 >> Leave Agora
 >> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
 >> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
 >> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
 >> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
 >>  consent.
 >>
 >>  A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
 >> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
 >> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a
 player
 >> +  for 30 days.
 >>
 >>  If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
 >>  month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
 >> }
 >> 
 >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
 >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 
 >>>
 >>


>>>
>>
>

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: protest voting intention

[Cuddle Beam]

inb4 having only assigned rations of CFJs/Pends/etc is pretty much a
Communist Agora in these parallelisms we're using.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:54 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, 8 Sep 2017, Quazie wrote:
> > I dislike free parking because it perpetuates the worst monopoly house
> rule -
> > fines and fees are supposed to vanish to the bank, not be some magic
> money
> > pool that causes a game that should be about auctions and negotiations
> into
> > a perpetual slog where nothing interesting happens.
>
> I submit the following Proposal, AI-2, "Community Chest":
>
> --
>
> Amend Rule 2483 (Economics) by replacing:
>They may be owned by Agora, any player, or any organization.
> with:
>Shiny ownership is restricted to Agora, any player, any
>organization, or any entity explicitly defined by the Rules to
>be an Agoran Institution.
>
>
> [Note:  Institution is a very general concept - we can make a
>  university! a bank!  Etc.]
>
>
> Create the following Rule, "Community Chest", Power-2:
>
>The Community Chest is an Agoran Institution.  If a player
>has not done so in the current quarter, e CAN, by announcement,
>transfer all the Shinies owned by the Community Chest to
>any specified player.
>
>If a player uses shinies to pend a Proposal or initiate a CFJ,
>e MAY additionally specify, as part of the specification of
>the transaction, that the funds be used for Charity (syn:
>"Donated").  If e does so, then an instant after the
>transaction is completed, half the value of the transaction in
>shinies (rounded up) is transferred from Agora to the Community
>Chest.
>
>
> [In a Libertarian World, taxes and minimum incomes are replaced with
> Charity, after all].
>
> --
>
>
>
>

DIS: Re: BUS: [Semi-Pended Prop] No Telepathy

[Kerim Aydin]

This means that absolutely no platonic actions happen.  Are you sure
this doesn't break lots of stuff?

Example:  "At the start of each month, person X CAN and SHALL Y in a
timely fashion".  This changes the gamestate such that person X can
now do Y.

On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Gaelan Steele wrote:
> I create the proposal “No Telepathy” with AI 3 by Gaelan, with the following 
> text: {{
> Append the following sentence to the second-to-last paragraph of 478 “Fora”: 
> “Rules to the contrary notwithstanding, it is IMPOSSIBLE for the gamestate to 
> change other than as the immediate result of a public message.
> }}
> 
> I list pending this proposal with a shiny as Performable By Agency for GII, 
> so long as the agent is currently the Promotor (and it hasn’t been pended 
> before; not sure if that’s possible, but I don’t want to be robbed). I 
> request that the promotor pend this right before promoting; I just want time 
> to publish revisions between now and then.
> 
> Gaelan

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: protest voting intention

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

I like this and will happily pend it, if you do not mind.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



> On Sep 10, 2017, at 7:54 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 8 Sep 2017, Quazie wrote:
>> I dislike free parking because it perpetuates the worst monopoly house rule -
>> fines and fees are supposed to vanish to the bank, not be some magic money
>> pool that causes a game that should be about auctions and negotiations into
>> a perpetual slog where nothing interesting happens.
> 
> I submit the following Proposal, AI-2, "Community Chest":
> 
> --
> 
> Amend Rule 2483 (Economics) by replacing:
>   They may be owned by Agora, any player, or any organization.
> with:
>   Shiny ownership is restricted to Agora, any player, any
>   organization, or any entity explicitly defined by the Rules to
>   be an Agoran Institution.
> 
> 
> [Note:  Institution is a very general concept - we can make a
> university! a bank!  Etc.]
> 
> 
> Create the following Rule, "Community Chest", Power-2:
> 
>   The Community Chest is an Agoran Institution.  If a player
>   has not done so in the current quarter, e CAN, by announcement,
>   transfer all the Shinies owned by the Community Chest to
>   any specified player.
> 
>   If a player uses shinies to pend a Proposal or initiate a CFJ,
>   e MAY additionally specify, as part of the specification of
>   the transaction, that the funds be used for Charity (syn:
>   "Donated").  If e does so, then an instant after the
>   transaction is completed, half the value of the transaction in
>   shinies (rounded up) is transferred from Agora to the Community
>   Chest.
> 
> 
> [In a Libertarian World, taxes and minimum incomes are replaced with
> Charity, after all].
> 
> --
> 
> 
> 



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Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Shiny Weather

[Kerim Aydin]

On Mon, 11 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote:
> Can we at least make this an agoran decision instead of rando.

Nope.  Where's the fun in that?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Cuddle Beam]

@Josh we really need that corkboard.

I really should get to making that. Please link me/pasta me your Agency and
I'll add it as another business opportunity for you to it.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:50 AM, Josh T  wrote:

> > Vote purchases/sells when
>
> Have you not seen my latest Agency?
>
> 天火狐
>
> On 10 September 2017 at 19:45, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>
>> I'd make it so that each new player has something to bargain with though,
>> to start. Maybe encourage them to sell APs or Trust Tokens.
>>
>> Feels a bit like Mad Max and I love it. I enjoy entrepreneurship a lot,
>> I'd love to see people open businesses and make business myself.
>>
>> >Loan Bank when
>> >AP brokers when
>> >Vote purchase/sells when
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This is the direction that I am going with my ideas.
>>> 
>>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 7:12 PM, Kerim Aydin 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Time to get serious and allow Agora to float a bond issue and privately
>>> > finance eir debt.
>>> >
>>> > Other ideas:
>>> >  - V.J. Rada's idea of right-sizing to number of players is a good one,
>>> >as part of the float calculations possibly.
>>> >
>>> >  - How about *deflation*.  Allow fractional values, I'm curious if the
>>> >downward pressure on floating value will stabilize at some fraction
>>> >of a shiny or exponentially decay to 0...
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
>>> >> Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much more
>>> >> than that is a tad extreme, no?
>>> >>
>>> >> -Aris
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Cuddle Beam 
>>> wrote:
>>> >>> I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the
>>> economy will
>>> >>> destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies
>>> available, for
>>> >>> example.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>> >>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous
>>> ideas. You
>>>  can view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my
>>> fork of the
>>>  ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a photo
>>> for
>>>  comment.
>>>  
>>>  Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>>  p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum
>>> salary
>>> > or other basic shiny supply is passed.
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>>> >> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
>>> >> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to
>>> Join and
>>> >> Leave Agora
>>> >> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
>>> >> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>>> >> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>>> >> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
>>> >>  consent.
>>> >>
>>> >>  A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
>>> >> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
>>> >> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
>>> >> +  for 30 days.
>>> >>
>>> >>  If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
>>> >>  month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
>>> >> }
>>> >> 
>>> >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>> >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> 
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Semi-Pended Prop] No Telepathy

[VJ Rada]

Or pledge to eat an apple or w/e totally outside of public forums

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Aris Merchant
 wrote:
> I belive V.J Rada refers to the fact that you can pledge not to share
> information or the like, even privately.
>
> -Aris
>
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 4:48 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
>> plz allow for pledges
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 9:46 AM, Gaelan Steele  wrote:
>>> I create the proposal “No Telepathy” with AI 3 by Gaelan, with the 
>>> following text: {{
>>> Append the following sentence to the second-to-last paragraph of 478 
>>> “Fora”: “Rules to the contrary notwithstanding, it is IMPOSSIBLE for the 
>>> gamestate to change other than as the immediate result of a public message.
>>> }}
>>>
>>> I list pending this proposal with a shiny as Performable By Agency for GII, 
>>> so long as the agent is currently the Promotor (and it hasn’t been pended 
>>> before; not sure if that’s possible, but I don’t want to be robbed). I 
>>> request that the promotor pend this right before promoting; I just want 
>>> time to publish revisions between now and then.
>>>
>>> Gaelan
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> From V.J Rada



-- 
>From V.J Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Josh T]

> Vote purchases/sells when

Have you not seen my latest Agency?

天火狐

On 10 September 2017 at 19:45, Cuddle Beam  wrote:

> I'd make it so that each new player has something to bargain with though,
> to start. Maybe encourage them to sell APs or Trust Tokens.
>
> Feels a bit like Mad Max and I love it. I enjoy entrepreneurship a lot,
> I'd love to see people open businesses and make business myself.
>
> >Loan Bank when
> >AP brokers when
> >Vote purchase/sells when
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> This is the direction that I am going with my ideas.
>> 
>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 7:12 PM, Kerim Aydin 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Time to get serious and allow Agora to float a bond issue and privately
>> > finance eir debt.
>> >
>> > Other ideas:
>> >  - V.J. Rada's idea of right-sizing to number of players is a good one,
>> >as part of the float calculations possibly.
>> >
>> >  - How about *deflation*.  Allow fractional values, I'm curious if the
>> >downward pressure on floating value will stabilize at some fraction
>> >of a shiny or exponentially decay to 0...
>> >
>> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
>> >> Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much more
>> >> than that is a tad extreme, no?
>> >>
>> >> -Aris
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Cuddle Beam 
>> wrote:
>> >>> I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the
>> economy will
>> >>> destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies
>> available, for
>> >>> example.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>> >>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous ideas.
>> You
>>  can view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my fork
>> of the
>>  ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a photo
>> for
>>  comment.
>>  
>>  Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>  p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum
>> salary
>> > or other basic shiny supply is passed.
>> >
>> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>> >> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
>> >> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join
>> and
>> >> Leave Agora
>> >> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
>> >> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>> >> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>> >> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
>> >>  consent.
>> >>
>> >>  A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
>> >> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
>> >> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
>> >> +  for 30 days.
>> >>
>> >>  If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
>> >>  month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
>> >> }
>> >> 
>> >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>> >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> 
>> >>>
>> >>
>>
>>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Semi-Pended Prop] No Telepathy

[Aris Merchant]

I belive V.J Rada refers to the fact that you can pledge not to share
information or the like, even privately.

-Aris

On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 4:48 PM, VJ Rada  wrote:
> plz allow for pledges
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 9:46 AM, Gaelan Steele  wrote:
>> I create the proposal “No Telepathy” with AI 3 by Gaelan, with the following 
>> text: {{
>> Append the following sentence to the second-to-last paragraph of 478 “Fora”: 
>> “Rules to the contrary notwithstanding, it is IMPOSSIBLE for the gamestate 
>> to change other than as the immediate result of a public message.
>> }}
>>
>> I list pending this proposal with a shiny as Performable By Agency for GII, 
>> so long as the agent is currently the Promotor (and it hasn’t been pended 
>> before; not sure if that’s possible, but I don’t want to be robbed). I 
>> request that the promotor pend this right before promoting; I just want time 
>> to publish revisions between now and then.
>>
>> Gaelan
>
>
>
> --
> From V.J Rada

DIS: Re: BUS: [Semi-Pended Prop] No Telepathy

[Cuddle Beam]

This was needed ages ago. Ty for making it.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:46 AM, Gaelan Steele  wrote:

> I create the proposal “No Telepathy” with AI 3 by Gaelan, with the
> following text: {{
> Append the following sentence to the second-to-last paragraph of 478
> “Fora”: “Rules to the contrary notwithstanding, it is IMPOSSIBLE for the
> gamestate to change other than as the immediate result of a public message.
> }}
>
> I list pending this proposal with a shiny as Performable By Agency for
> GII, so long as the agent is currently the Promotor (and it hasn’t been
> pended before; not sure if that’s possible, but I don’t want to be robbed).
> I request that the promotor pend this right before promoting; I just want
> time to publish revisions between now and then.
>
> Gaelan

DIS: Re: BUS: [Semi-Pended Prop] No Telepathy

[VJ Rada]

plz allow for pledges

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 9:46 AM, Gaelan Steele  wrote:
> I create the proposal “No Telepathy” with AI 3 by Gaelan, with the following 
> text: {{
> Append the following sentence to the second-to-last paragraph of 478 “Fora”: 
> “Rules to the contrary notwithstanding, it is IMPOSSIBLE for the gamestate to 
> change other than as the immediate result of a public message.
> }}
>
> I list pending this proposal with a shiny as Performable By Agency for GII, 
> so long as the agent is currently the Promotor (and it hasn’t been pended 
> before; not sure if that’s possible, but I don’t want to be robbed). I 
> request that the promotor pend this right before promoting; I just want time 
> to publish revisions between now and then.
>
> Gaelan



-- 
>From V.J Rada

DIS: Re: BUS: [Semi-Pended Prop] No Telepathy

[Aris Merchant]

Noted. You're not going to have much time; although given the 5ish new
proposals, it might be a few hours.

-Aris

On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 4:46 PM, Gaelan Steele  wrote:
> I create the proposal “No Telepathy” with AI 3 by Gaelan, with the following 
> text: {{
> Append the following sentence to the second-to-last paragraph of 478 “Fora”: 
> “Rules to the contrary notwithstanding, it is IMPOSSIBLE for the gamestate to 
> change other than as the immediate result of a public message.
> }}
>
> I list pending this proposal with a shiny as Performable By Agency for GII, 
> so long as the agent is currently the Promotor (and it hasn’t been pended 
> before; not sure if that’s possible, but I don’t want to be robbed). I 
> request that the promotor pend this right before promoting; I just want time 
> to publish revisions between now and then.
>
> Gaelan

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Cuddle Beam]

I'd make it so that each new player has something to bargain with though,
to start. Maybe encourage them to sell APs or Trust Tokens.

Feels a bit like Mad Max and I love it. I enjoy entrepreneurship a lot, I'd
love to see people open businesses and make business myself.

>Loan Bank when
>AP brokers when
>Vote purchase/sells when

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> This is the direction that I am going with my ideas.
> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>
>
>
> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 7:12 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Time to get serious and allow Agora to float a bond issue and privately
> > finance eir debt.
> >
> > Other ideas:
> >  - V.J. Rada's idea of right-sizing to number of players is a good one,
> >as part of the float calculations possibly.
> >
> >  - How about *deflation*.  Allow fractional values, I'm curious if the
> >downward pressure on floating value will stabilize at some fraction
> >of a shiny or exponentially decay to 0...
> >
> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
> >> Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much more
> >> than that is a tad extreme, no?
> >>
> >> -Aris
> >>
> >> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Cuddle Beam 
> wrote:
> >>> I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the
> economy will
> >>> destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies
> available, for
> >>> example.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >>>  wrote:
> 
>  I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous ideas.
> You
>  can view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my fork
> of the
>  ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a photo
> for
>  comment.
>  
>  Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>  p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum
> salary
> > or other basic shiny supply is passed.
> >
> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> >> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
> >> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join
> and
> >> Leave Agora
> >> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
> >> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> >> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> >> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
> >>  consent.
> >>
> >>  A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
> >> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
> >> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
> >> +  for 30 days.
> >>
> >>  If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
> >>  month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
> >> }
> >> 
> >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> 
> >>>
> >>
>
>

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3558 assigned to Publius Scribonius Scholasticus

[VJ Rada]

ty for the notice.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 8:39 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
 wrote:
> I do plan to judge this TRUE and will publish an official judgement by 
> Tuesday.
> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>
>
>
>> On Sep 5, 2017, at 8:11 PM, Alex Smith  wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 2017-09-06 at 10:06 +1000, V.J Rada wrote:
>>> I now, without any comment as to my playerhood, call a CFJ, using AP
>>> if I happen to own any.
>>>
>>> "VJ Rada is a player".
>>
>> This is CFJ 3558. I assign it to Publius Scribonius Scholasticus.
>>
>> --
>> ais523
>> Arbitor
>



-- 
>From V.J Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Shiny Weather

[VJ Rada]

This promotor's report is gonna be monster.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 9:41 AM, VJ Rada  wrote:
> Can we at least make this an agoran decision instead of rando.
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Let's throw the whole thing up to fate.
>>
>> I submit the following proposal, "Shiny Weather", AI-2 and pend it with AP:
>>
>> --
>>
>> Amend Rule 2487 (Shiny Supply Level) to read:
>>
>>   Supply Level is a singleton natural switch tracked by the
>>   Secretary, with a default value of 1000.
>>
>>   When a Shiny Releveling event occurs, Agora's Balance is
>>   increased or decreased such that all Balances add up to the
>>   Supply Level.  When the Supply Level Changes, a Shiny Releveling
>>   event occurs.  The Secretary CAN cause a Shiny Releveling event
>>   to occur without 3 Objections.
>>
>>   In a timely fashion after the start of each month, the Secretary
>>   CAN and SHALL Determine the Weather by announcement, by selecting
>>   and announcing an option from among the following choices, using
>>   the indicated probabilities:
>>  Same (50%), Improving (25%), Deteriorating (25%).
>>
>>   Determining the weather to be Improving sets the Supply Level
>>   25% higher (rounded down).  Determining the Supply Level to
>>   be Deteriorating sets the Supply Level 25% lower (rounded up).
>>
>>
>> The Supply Level switch is hereby set to the value of the Supply Level
>> as it was defined the instant before this Proposal took effect.
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> From V.J Rada



-- 
>From V.J Rada

DIS: Re: BUS: Shiny Weather

[VJ Rada]

Can we at least make this an agoran decision instead of rando.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>
>
> Let's throw the whole thing up to fate.
>
> I submit the following proposal, "Shiny Weather", AI-2 and pend it with AP:
>
> --
>
> Amend Rule 2487 (Shiny Supply Level) to read:
>
>   Supply Level is a singleton natural switch tracked by the
>   Secretary, with a default value of 1000.
>
>   When a Shiny Releveling event occurs, Agora's Balance is
>   increased or decreased such that all Balances add up to the
>   Supply Level.  When the Supply Level Changes, a Shiny Releveling
>   event occurs.  The Secretary CAN cause a Shiny Releveling event
>   to occur without 3 Objections.
>
>   In a timely fashion after the start of each month, the Secretary
>   CAN and SHALL Determine the Weather by announcement, by selecting
>   and announcing an option from among the following choices, using
>   the indicated probabilities:
>  Same (50%), Improving (25%), Deteriorating (25%).
>
>   Determining the weather to be Improving sets the Supply Level
>   25% higher (rounded down).  Determining the Supply Level to
>   be Deteriorating sets the Supply Level 25% lower (rounded up).
>
>
> The Supply Level switch is hereby set to the value of the Supply Level
> as it was defined the instant before this Proposal took effect.
>
> --
>
>



-- 
>From V.J Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

This is the direction that I am going with my ideas.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



> On Sep 10, 2017, at 7:12 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Time to get serious and allow Agora to float a bond issue and privately
> finance eir debt.
> 
> Other ideas:
>  - V.J. Rada's idea of right-sizing to number of players is a good one,
>as part of the float calculations possibly.
> 
>  - How about *deflation*.  Allow fractional values, I'm curious if the
>downward pressure on floating value will stabilize at some fraction
>of a shiny or exponentially decay to 0...
> 
> On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
>> Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much more
>> than that is a tad extreme, no?
>> 
>> -Aris
>> 
>> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>>> I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the economy will
>>> destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies available, for
>>> example.
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>>  wrote:
 
 I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous ideas. You
 can view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my fork of the
 ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a photo for
 comment.
 
 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
 p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
 
 
 
> On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum salary
> or other basic shiny supply is passed.
> 
> On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
>> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join and
>> Leave Agora
>> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
>> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
>>  consent.
>> 
>>  A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
>> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
>> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
>> +  for 30 days.
>> 
>>  If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
>>  month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
>> }
>> 
>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
 
>>> 
>> 



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Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Cuddle Beam]

I like this a LOT.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:30 AM, VJ Rada  wrote:

> We could go full libertarian style. Gov't owns no money, instead give
> it all to players and private banks. No rewards, you get reports when
> you pay for them. CFJs are removed and private arbitration rules. New
> players get all their money from starting a goddamn business, or
> charity.
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
> > I like the idea of Agora being able to be in debt with players.
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:12 AM, Kerim Aydin 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Time to get serious and allow Agora to float a bond issue and privately
> >> finance eir debt.
> >>
> >> Other ideas:
> >>   - V.J. Rada's idea of right-sizing to number of players is a good one,
> >> as part of the float calculations possibly.
> >>
> >>   - How about *deflation*.  Allow fractional values, I'm curious if the
> >> downward pressure on floating value will stabilize at some fraction
> >> of a shiny or exponentially decay to 0...
> >>
> >> On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
> >> > Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much more
> >> > than that is a tad extreme, no?
> >> >
> >> > -Aris
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Cuddle Beam 
> >> > wrote:
> >> > > I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the
> >> > > economy will
> >> > > destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies
> >> > > available, for
> >> > > example.
> >> > >
> >> > > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >> > >  wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous
> ideas.
> >> > >> You
> >> > >> can view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my
> fork
> >> > >> of the
> >> > >> ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a photo
> >> > >> for
> >> > >> comment.
> >> > >> 
> >> > >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >> > >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin  >
> >> > >> > wrote:
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum
> >> > >> > salary
> >> > >> > or other basic shiny supply is passed.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> >> > >> >> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
> >> > >> >> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to
> Join
> >> > >> >> and
> >> > >> >> Leave Agora
> >> > >> >> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
> >> > >> >> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> >> > >> >> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> >> > >> >> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
> >> > >> >>   consent.
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >>   A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by
> announcement.
> >> > >> >> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
> >> > >> >> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a
> player
> >> > >> >> +  for 30 days.
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >>   If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the
> last
> >> > >> >>   month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
> >> > >> >> }
> >> > >> >> 
> >> > >> >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >> > >> >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> From V.J Rada
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[VJ Rada]

We could go full libertarian style. Gov't owns no money, instead give
it all to players and private banks. No rewards, you get reports when
you pay for them. CFJs are removed and private arbitration rules. New
players get all their money from starting a goddamn business, or
charity.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
> I like the idea of Agora being able to be in debt with players.
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:12 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Time to get serious and allow Agora to float a bond issue and privately
>> finance eir debt.
>>
>> Other ideas:
>>   - V.J. Rada's idea of right-sizing to number of players is a good one,
>> as part of the float calculations possibly.
>>
>>   - How about *deflation*.  Allow fractional values, I'm curious if the
>> downward pressure on floating value will stabilize at some fraction
>> of a shiny or exponentially decay to 0...
>>
>> On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
>> > Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much more
>> > than that is a tad extreme, no?
>> >
>> > -Aris
>> >
>> > On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Cuddle Beam 
>> > wrote:
>> > > I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the
>> > > economy will
>> > > destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies
>> > > available, for
>> > > example.
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>> > >  wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous ideas.
>> > >> You
>> > >> can view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my fork
>> > >> of the
>> > >> ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a photo
>> > >> for
>> > >> comment.
>> > >> 
>> > >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>> > >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin 
>> > >> > wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum
>> > >> > salary
>> > >> > or other basic shiny supply is passed.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>> > >> >> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
>> > >> >> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join
>> > >> >> and
>> > >> >> Leave Agora
>> > >> >> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
>> > >> >> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>> > >> >> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>> > >> >> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
>> > >> >>   consent.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>   A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
>> > >> >> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
>> > >> >> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
>> > >> >> +  for 30 days.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>   If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
>> > >> >>   month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
>> > >> >> }
>> > >> >> 
>> > >> >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>> > >> >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >>
>> > >
>> >
>
>



-- 
>From V.J Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Cuddle Beam]

I like the idea of Agora being able to be in debt with players.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:12 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> Time to get serious and allow Agora to float a bond issue and privately
> finance eir debt.
>
> Other ideas:
>   - V.J. Rada's idea of right-sizing to number of players is a good one,
> as part of the float calculations possibly.
>
>   - How about *deflation*.  Allow fractional values, I'm curious if the
> downward pressure on floating value will stabilize at some fraction
> of a shiny or exponentially decay to 0...
>
> On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
> > Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much more
> > than that is a tad extreme, no?
> >
> > -Aris
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Cuddle Beam 
> wrote:
> > > I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the
> economy will
> > > destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies
> available, for
> > > example.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> > >  wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous ideas.
> You
> > >> can view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my fork
> of the
> > >> ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a photo
> for
> > >> comment.
> > >> 
> > >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> > >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin 
> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum
> salary
> > >> > or other basic shiny supply is passed.
> > >> >
> > >> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> > >> >> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
> > >> >> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join
> and
> > >> >> Leave Agora
> > >> >> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
> > >> >> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> > >> >> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> > >> >> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
> > >> >>   consent.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>   A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
> > >> >> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
> > >> >> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
> > >> >> +  for 30 days.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>   If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
> > >> >>   month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
> > >> >> }
> > >> >> 
> > >> >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> > >> >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
>

DIS: Re: BUS: Last minute pend: F it, let's print money.

[Cuddle Beam]

I create the following proposal and pend it with infinity shinies:

Title: The solution to inflation is to print more money
AI: 3
Author: Cuddlebeam

With 3 Support, a player can declare that "There is too much inflation".
When this happens, double the Supply Level and cause a shiny relevelling
event.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:05 AM, VJ Rada  wrote:

> I mean pending props is 1 shiny rn and some people seem to want it. I
> spend 1 shiny to pend the following (putting me to...8?)
>
> Title: Zimbabwe-style economics
> AI: 2
> Author: VJ Rada
> Co-authors: Cuddlebeam
>
> Amend, in rule 2389/2 "Shiny Supply Level", the text "The Supply Level
> is 1000." by replacing it with "The Supply Level is 1200."
>
> Cause a shiny relevelling event.
>
>
> --
> From V.J Rada
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Kerim Aydin]

Time to get serious and allow Agora to float a bond issue and privately
finance eir debt.

Other ideas:  
  - V.J. Rada's idea of right-sizing to number of players is a good one,
as part of the float calculations possibly.

  - How about *deflation*.  Allow fractional values, I'm curious if the
downward pressure on floating value will stabilize at some fraction
of a shiny or exponentially decay to 0...

On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
> Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much more
> than that is a tad extreme, no?
> 
> -Aris
> 
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
> > I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the economy will
> > destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies available, for
> > example.
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous ideas. You
> >> can view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my fork of the
> >> ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a photo for
> >> comment.
> >> 
> >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum salary
> >> > or other basic shiny supply is passed.
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> >> >> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
> >> >> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join and
> >> >> Leave Agora
> >> >> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
> >> >> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> >> >> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> >> >> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
> >> >>   consent.
> >> >>
> >> >>   A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
> >> >> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
> >> >> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
> >> >> +  for 30 days.
> >> >>
> >> >>   If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
> >> >>   month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
> >> >> }
> >> >> 
> >> >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >> >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >
> 

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Aris Merchant]

The reason Agora has a shiny crisis is that the number of existing
players weren't accounted for when deciding how much the Supply Level
should be. It really needed to be 2000, to give us more of a margin.
Oh well.

-Aris

On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
> It's time for Agoran Economy: Venezuela edition : P
>
> No but in seriousness, we have a single fixed price which is the Welcome
> Package, which I believe is to blame for most of the shiny drought. It's
> just too much in comparison to the total amount of shinies Agora has in
> total, imo. If we had more banknotes, it would be less of a problem. We
> should adjust the floating value stuff a bit too with it though imo.
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:42 AM, Aris Merchant
>  wrote:
>>
>> Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much more
>> than that is a tad extreme, no?
>>
>> -Aris
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>> > I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the economy
>> > will
>> > destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies available,
>> > for
>> > example.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>> >  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous ideas.
>> >> You
>> >> can view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my fork of
>> >> the
>> >> ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a photo for
>> >> comment.
>> >> 
>> >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>> >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin 
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum
>> >> > salary
>> >> > or other basic shiny supply is passed.
>> >> >
>> >> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>> >> >> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
>> >> >> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> Leave Agora
>> >> >> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
>> >> >> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>> >> >> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>> >> >> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
>> >> >>   consent.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>   A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
>> >> >> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
>> >> >> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
>> >> >> +  for 30 days.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>   If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
>> >> >>   month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
>> >> >> }
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>> >> >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >
>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Cuddle Beam]

There's also the problem that it's actually desirable to keep Agora as bone
dry as possible, to manipulate the Floating Value.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:49 AM, VJ Rada  wrote:

> Maybe tie inflation to new players? So firstly add like an "emergency
> fund" of 100 or so now, and then whenever a new player joins increase
> agora's balance by that %.
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 8:47 AM, Kerim Aydin 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Note that any scheme that says you can get something for having
> > less than a certain level of liquid assets can be scammed by two
> > people passing their assets back and forth.
> >
> >   in past economies, any form of progressive wealth distribution
> > pretty much instantly led to tax avoidance contracts and schemes,
> > I think the only way to get around it is to tie it to expected income,
> > rather than holdings (e.g. Officers get less, having to resign offices
> > to get the reward is more of a deterrent).
> >
> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Nicholas Evans wrote:
> >
> >> Simple proto: At the eginning of the m9nth, every player who has 0
> stamps and less than the current stamp value in shinies can
> >> and may claim enough shinies to have whatever the stamp value was at
> 00:00 on the first of the month.
> >>
> >> On Sep 10, 2017 4:46 PM, "Kerim Aydin"  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>   A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum
> salary
> >>   or other basic shiny supply is passed.
> >>
> >>   On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> >>   > I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
> >>   > diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to
> Join and Leave Agora
> >>   > index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
> >>   > --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> >>   > +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> >>   > @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
> >>   >consent.
> >>   >
> >>   >A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by
> announcement.
> >>   > -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
> >>   > +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a
> player
> >>   > +  for 30 days.
> >>   >
> >>   >If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the
> last
> >>   >month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
> >>   > }
> >>   > 
> >>   > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >>   > p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> >>   >
> >>   >
> >>   >
> >>   >
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
> --
> From V.J Rada
>

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Truthfulness

[Kerim Aydin]

I think doing karma would take a deeper look at all the SHALLs and
SHOULDs to ask which ones should still be illegal versus left to
karma - a deeper reform.  Mean time, this version isn't that much
different than current I'll probably go PRESENT on it.

On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
> I pay Agora 1 shiny to pend "Truthfulness v2". I'm not sure it's going
> to pass, but I'd like to see what arguments people add to their votes.
> I'm also worried that as nichdel pointed out, a "democratized" system
> is likely to turn into a popularity contest, although G.'s karma thing
> sounds interesting.
> 
> -Aris
> 
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 12:45 AM, Aris Merchant
>  wrote:
> > I retract the proposal "Truthfulness", and submit the following.
> >
> > ---
> > Title: Truthfulness v2
> > Adoption index: 1.0
> > Author: Aris
> > Co-authors:
> >
> > Amend Rule 2471, "No Faking", by changing it to read in full:
> >
> >   A person SHALL NOT make a public statement that is a lie. A statment is a 
> > lie
> >   if its publisher either knew or believed it to be not to be true at the 
> > time
> >   e published it (or, in the case of an action, not to be effective), and it
> >   was made with the intent to mislead. Merely quoting a statement does not
> >   constitute making it for the purposes of this rule.  Any disclaimer,
> >   conditional clause, or other qualifier attached to a statement constitutes
> >   part of the statement for the purposes of this rule; the truth or falsity 
> > of
> >   the whole is what is significant.
> >
> >   The previous provisions of this rule notwithstanding, a formal 
> > announcement of
> >   intent is never a lie.
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 12:33 AM, Aris Merchant
> >  wrote:
> >> I submit the following proposal. Proposals are cheap, so I'm just
> >> going to put this out and probably pend it tomorrow. This alters our
> >> current "No Faking" Rule, changing it into an old-fashioned no lying
> >> in public rule. My primary motivation for this is the rather vague
> >> idea that it might lead to interesting gameplay, as it certainly did
> >> in the past. Note that it only applies to the public fora, so you're
> >> free to lie as much as you like on a-d, as I understand is
> >> traditional. I borrowed most of the text, tweaking it to make it a
> >> little less demanding.
> >>
> >> -Aris
> >> ---
> >> Title: Truthfulness
> >> Adoption index: 1.0
> >> Author: Aris
> >> Co-authors:
> >>
> >> Amend Rule 2471, "No Faking", by changing it to read in full:
> >>
> >>   A person SHALL NOT make a public statement that is a lie. A statment is 
> >> a lie
> >>   if its publisher either knew or believed it to be not to be true (or, in 
> >> the
> >>   case of an action, not to be effective), and it is made with the intent 
> >> to
> >>   mislead. Merely quoting a statement does not constitute making it for the
> >>   purposes of this rule.  Any disclaimer, conditional clause, or other
> >>   qualifier attached to a statement constitutes part of the statement for
> >>   the purposes of this rule; the truth or falsity of the whole is what is
> >>   significant.
> >>
> >>   The previous provisions of this rule notwithstanding, a formal 
> >> announcement of
> >>   intent is never a lie.
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Cuddle Beam]

It's time for Agoran Economy: Venezuela edition : P

No but in seriousness, we have a single fixed price which is the Welcome
Package, which I believe is to blame for most of the shiny drought. It's
just too much in comparison to the total amount of shinies Agora has in
total, imo. If we had more banknotes, it would be less of a problem. We
should adjust the floating value stuff a bit too with it though imo.


On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:42 AM, Aris Merchant <
thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much more
> than that is a tad extreme, no?
>
> -Aris
>
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
> > I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the economy
> will
> > destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies available,
> for
> > example.
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous ideas. You
> >> can view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my fork of
> the
> >> ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a photo for
> >> comment.
> >> 
> >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin 
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum salary
> >> > or other basic shiny supply is passed.
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> >> >> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
> >> >> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join
> and
> >> >> Leave Agora
> >> >> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
> >> >> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> >> >> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> >> >> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
> >> >>   consent.
> >> >>
> >> >>   A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
> >> >> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
> >> >> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
> >> >> +  for 30 days.
> >> >>
> >> >>   If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
> >> >>   month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
> >> >> }
> >> >> 
> >> >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >> >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[VJ Rada]

Maybe tie inflation to new players? So firstly add like an "emergency
fund" of 100 or so now, and then whenever a new player joins increase
agora's balance by that %.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 8:47 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>
>
> Note that any scheme that says you can get something for having
> less than a certain level of liquid assets can be scammed by two
> people passing their assets back and forth.
>
>   in past economies, any form of progressive wealth distribution
> pretty much instantly led to tax avoidance contracts and schemes,
> I think the only way to get around it is to tie it to expected income,
> rather than holdings (e.g. Officers get less, having to resign offices
> to get the reward is more of a deterrent).
>
> On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Nicholas Evans wrote:
>
>> Simple proto: At the eginning of the m9nth, every player who has 0 stamps 
>> and less than the current stamp value in shinies can
>> and may claim enough shinies to have whatever the stamp value was at 00:00 
>> on the first of the month.
>>
>> On Sep 10, 2017 4:46 PM, "Kerim Aydin"  wrote:
>>
>>
>>   A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum salary
>>   or other basic shiny supply is passed.
>>
>>   On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>>   > I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
>>   > diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join 
>> and Leave Agora
>>   > index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
>>   > --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>>   > +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>>   > @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
>>   >consent.
>>   >
>>   >A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
>>   > -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
>>   > +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
>>   > +  for 30 days.
>>   >
>>   >If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
>>   >month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
>>   > }
>>   > 
>>   > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>   > p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>>   >
>>   >
>>   >
>>   >
>>
>>
>>



-- 
>From V.J Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

How would you feel about it if nichdel’s changes were used?

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



> On Sep 10, 2017, at 6:44 PM, Aris Merchant 
>  wrote:
> 
> P.S.S., if you want this distributed this week you should pend it now.
> Also, see my comments on "Not So Cuddly Now" regarding my views about
> this style of proposal.
> 
> -Aris
> 
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>  wrote:
>> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
>> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join and Leave 
>> Agora
>> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
>> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
>>   consent.
>> 
>>   A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
>> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
>> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
>> +  for 30 days.
>> 
>>   If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
>>   month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
>> }
>> 
>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 



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Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Kerim Aydin]

Note that any scheme that says you can get something for having
less than a certain level of liquid assets can be scammed by two 
people passing their assets back and forth.

  in past economies, any form of progressive wealth distribution 
pretty much instantly led to tax avoidance contracts and schemes,
I think the only way to get around it is to tie it to expected income,
rather than holdings (e.g. Officers get less, having to resign offices
to get the reward is more of a deterrent).

On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Nicholas Evans wrote:

> Simple proto: At the eginning of the m9nth, every player who has 0 stamps and 
> less than the current stamp value in shinies can
> and may claim enough shinies to have whatever the stamp value was at 00:00 on 
> the first of the month.
> 
> On Sep 10, 2017 4:46 PM, "Kerim Aydin"  wrote:
> 
> 
>   A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum salary
>   or other basic shiny supply is passed.
> 
>   On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>   > I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
>   > diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join 
> and Leave Agora
>   > index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
>   > --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>   > +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>   > @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
>   >    consent.
>   >
>   >    A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
>   > -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
>   > +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
>   > +  for 30 days.
>   >
>   >    If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
>   >    month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
>   > }
>   > 
>   > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>   > p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
> 
> 
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[VJ Rada]

i mean agora is  broke and people cant get welcome packages. not like
inflation matters that much because price of things that people
actually buy is rulically fixed. ppl ain't exchanging w/ each other
much rn.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 8:42 AM, Aris Merchant
 wrote:
> Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much more
> than that is a tad extreme, no?
>
> -Aris
>
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>> I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the economy will
>> destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies available, for
>> example.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous ideas. You
>>> can view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my fork of the
>>> ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a photo for
>>> comment.
>>> 
>>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum salary
>>> > or other basic shiny supply is passed.
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>>> >> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
>>> >> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join and
>>> >> Leave Agora
>>> >> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
>>> >> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>>> >> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>>> >> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
>>> >>   consent.
>>> >>
>>> >>   A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
>>> >> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
>>> >> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
>>> >> +  for 30 days.
>>> >>
>>> >>   If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
>>> >>   month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
>>> >> }
>>> >> 
>>> >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>> >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>>
>>



-- 
>From V.J Rada

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Aris Merchant]

P.S.S., if you want this distributed this week you should pend it now.
Also, see my comments on "Not So Cuddly Now" regarding my views about
this style of proposal.

-Aris

On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
 wrote:
> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join and Leave 
> Agora
> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
>consent.
>
>A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
> +  for 30 days.
>
>If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
>month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
> }
> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>
>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

My way will be automated in a variety of ways. If you would like to contribute, 
I can add you as a collaborator.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



> On Sep 10, 2017, at 6:42 PM, Aris Merchant 
>  wrote:
> 
> Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much more
> than that is a tad extreme, no?
> 
> -Aris
> 
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>> I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the economy will
>> destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies available, for
>> example.
>> 
>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous ideas. You
>>> can view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my fork of the
>>> ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a photo for
>>> comment.
>>> 
>>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
 
 
 
 A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum salary
 or other basic shiny supply is passed.
 
 On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join and
> Leave Agora
> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
>  consent.
> 
>  A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
> +  for 30 days.
> 
>  If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
>  month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
> }
> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>> 
>> 



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DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Truthfulness

[Cuddle Beam]

Karma is bootleg democracy though imo, but I like both (I believe
popularity is extremely relevant anyway at nomic in general, regardless of
if such a system enables it or not. It's a factor both at Blognomic and
Agora at an informal level, and the informal level governs everything else
imo.)

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:38 AM, Aris Merchant <
thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I pay Agora 1 shiny to pend "Truthfulness v2". I'm not sure it's going
> to pass, but I'd like to see what arguments people add to their votes.
> I'm also worried that as nichdel pointed out, a "democratized" system
> is likely to turn into a popularity contest, although G.'s karma thing
> sounds interesting.
>
> -Aris
>
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 12:45 AM, Aris Merchant
>  wrote:
> > I retract the proposal "Truthfulness", and submit the following.
> >
> > ---
> > Title: Truthfulness v2
> > Adoption index: 1.0
> > Author: Aris
> > Co-authors:
> >
> > Amend Rule 2471, "No Faking", by changing it to read in full:
> >
> >   A person SHALL NOT make a public statement that is a lie. A statment
> is a lie
> >   if its publisher either knew or believed it to be not to be true at
> the time
> >   e published it (or, in the case of an action, not to be effective),
> and it
> >   was made with the intent to mislead. Merely quoting a statement does
> not
> >   constitute making it for the purposes of this rule.  Any disclaimer,
> >   conditional clause, or other qualifier attached to a statement
> constitutes
> >   part of the statement for the purposes of this rule; the truth or
> falsity of
> >   the whole is what is significant.
> >
> >   The previous provisions of this rule notwithstanding, a formal
> announcement of
> >   intent is never a lie.
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 12:33 AM, Aris Merchant
> >  wrote:
> >> I submit the following proposal. Proposals are cheap, so I'm just
> >> going to put this out and probably pend it tomorrow. This alters our
> >> current "No Faking" Rule, changing it into an old-fashioned no lying
> >> in public rule. My primary motivation for this is the rather vague
> >> idea that it might lead to interesting gameplay, as it certainly did
> >> in the past. Note that it only applies to the public fora, so you're
> >> free to lie as much as you like on a-d, as I understand is
> >> traditional. I borrowed most of the text, tweaking it to make it a
> >> little less demanding.
> >>
> >> -Aris
> >> ---
> >> Title: Truthfulness
> >> Adoption index: 1.0
> >> Author: Aris
> >> Co-authors:
> >>
> >> Amend Rule 2471, "No Faking", by changing it to read in full:
> >>
> >>   A person SHALL NOT make a public statement that is a lie. A statment
> is a lie
> >>   if its publisher either knew or believed it to be not to be true (or,
> in the
> >>   case of an action, not to be effective), and it is made with the
> intent to
> >>   mislead. Merely quoting a statement does not constitute making it for
> the
> >>   purposes of this rule.  Any disclaimer, conditional clause, or other
> >>   qualifier attached to a statement constitutes part of the statement
> for
> >>   the purposes of this rule; the truth or falsity of the whole is what
> is
> >>   significant.
> >>
> >>   The previous provisions of this rule notwithstanding, a formal
> announcement of
> >>   intent is never a lie.
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Aris Merchant]

Woah. I was thinking maybe 25% quarterly inflation. Anything much more
than that is a tad extreme, no?

-Aris

On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
> I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the economy will
> destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies available, for
> example.
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>  wrote:
>>
>> I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous ideas. You
>> can view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my fork of the
>> ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a photo for
>> comment.
>> 
>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum salary
>> > or other basic shiny supply is passed.
>> >
>> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>> >> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
>> >> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join and
>> >> Leave Agora
>> >> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
>> >> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>> >> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>> >> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
>> >>   consent.
>> >>
>> >>   A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
>> >> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
>> >> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
>> >> +  for 30 days.
>> >>
>> >>   If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
>> >>   month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
>> >> }
>> >> 
>> >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>> >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>

DIS: Re: BUS: Dereg

[Cuddle Beam]

Snap, I missed this.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:37 AM, VJ Rada  wrote:

> Being without objection from my intent over 4 days ago, I deregister
> sproklem.
>
> --
> From V.J Rada
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Cuddle Beam]

I think we just need to print more banknotes. I don't think the economy
will destabilize much if we double or triple the amount of shinies
available, for example.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 12:23 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous ideas. You
> can view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my fork of the
> ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a photo for
> comment.
> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>
>
>
> > On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum salary
> > or other basic shiny supply is passed.
> >
> > On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> >> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
> >> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join and
> Leave Agora
> >> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
> >> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> >> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> >> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
> >>   consent.
> >>
> >>   A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
> >> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
> >> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
> >> +  for 30 days.
> >>
> >>   If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
> >>   month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
> >> }
> >> 
> >> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3558 assigned to Publius Scribonius Scholasticus

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

I do plan to judge this TRUE and will publish an official judgement by Tuesday.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



> On Sep 5, 2017, at 8:11 PM, Alex Smith  wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 2017-09-06 at 10:06 +1000, V.J Rada wrote:
>> I now, without any comment as to my playerhood, call a CFJ, using AP
>> if I happen to own any.
>> 
>> "VJ Rada is a player".
> 
> This is CFJ 3558. I assign it to Publius Scribonius Scholasticus.
> 
> --
> ais523
> Arbitor



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Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

I am working on an economic redesign in line with my previous ideas. You can 
view and comment on it in the working-copy-002 branch of my fork of the 
ruleset. Once it approaches further completion, I will post a photo for comment.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



> On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum salary
> or other basic shiny supply is passed.
> 
> On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
>> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join and Leave 
>> Agora
>> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
>> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
>>   consent.
>> 
>>   A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
>> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
>> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
>> +  for 30 days.
>> 
>>   If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
>>   month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
>> }
>> 
>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 



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Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

I like this idea, but how are things handled when Agora has too few shinies.

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



> On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:53 PM, Nicholas Evans  wrote:
> 
> Simple proto: At the eginning of the m9nth, every player who has 0 stamps and 
> less than the current stamp value in shinies can and may claim enough shinies 
> to have whatever the stamp value was at 00:00 on the first of the month.
> 
> On Sep 10, 2017 4:46 PM, "Kerim Aydin"  wrote:
> 
> 
> A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum salary
> or other basic shiny supply is passed.
> 
> On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> > I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
> > diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join and 
> > Leave Agora
> > index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
> > --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> > +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> > @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
> >consent.
> >
> >A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
> > -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
> > +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
> > +  for 30 days.
> >
> >If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
> >month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
> > }
> > 
> > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> > p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> >
> >
> >
> >



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Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Nicholas Evans]

Simple proto: At the eginning of the m9nth, every player who has 0 stamps
and less than the current stamp value in shinies can and may claim enough
shinies to have whatever the stamp value was at 00:00 on the first of the
month.

On Sep 10, 2017 4:46 PM, "Kerim Aydin"  wrote:

>
>
> A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum salary
> or other basic shiny supply is passed.
>
> On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> > I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
> > diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join and
> Leave Agora
> > index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
> > --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> > +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> > @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
> >consent.
> >
> >A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
> > -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
> > +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
> > +  for 30 days.
> >
> >If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
> >month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
> > }
> > 
> > Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> > p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Kerim Aydin]

A friendly reminder that I am voting Against this until minimum salary
or other basic shiny supply is passed.

On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join and Leave 
> Agora
> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
>consent.
> 
>A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
> +  for 30 days.
> 
>If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
>month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
> }
> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Nic Evans]

On 09/10/17 16:40, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> I will definitely do this in the future. Would you recommend retracting this 
> and replacing it?
> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com

I don't think it's necessary, the intent seems unambiguous to me.
They're more style suggestions than anything else.

>
>
>> On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:42 PM, Nic Evans  wrote:
>>
>> WRT to this style of proposal:
>>
>>
>> On 09/10/17 16:30, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>>> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
>>> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join and 
>>> Leave Agora
>>> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
>>> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>>> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>>> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
>>>   consent.
>> I'd remove all this part and possibly replace it with a quick blurb
>> stating "Amend RXXX: by adding the lines starting with + and removing
>> the lines starting with -". A simple wrapper script could do most of
>> that work, and it'd be more readable to people not familiar with diffs.
>>
>>>   A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
>>> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
>>> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
>>> +  for 30 days.
>> This looks nice.
>>
>>>   If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
>>>   month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
>>> }
>> I'd also trim the context that diffs leave in.
>>
>>> 
>>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>




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Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

I will definitely do this in the future. Would you recommend retracting this 
and replacing it?

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com



> On Sep 10, 2017, at 5:42 PM, Nic Evans  wrote:
> 
> WRT to this style of proposal:
> 
> 
> On 09/10/17 16:30, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
>> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join and Leave 
>> Agora
>> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
>> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
>> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
>>   consent.
> 
> I'd remove all this part and possibly replace it with a quick blurb
> stating "Amend RXXX: by adding the lines starting with + and removing
> the lines starting with -". A simple wrapper script could do most of
> that work, and it'd be more readable to people not familiar with diffs.
> 
>> 
>>   A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
>> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
>> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
>> +  for 30 days.
> 
> This looks nice.
> 
>>   If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
>>   month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
>> }
> 
> I'd also trim the context that diffs leave in.
> 
>> 
>> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 



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DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Registration Delay Fix

[Nic Evans]

WRT to this style of proposal:


On 09/10/17 16:30, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> I submit the below proposal, “Registration Delay Fix”, AI 3: {
> diff --git a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora b/rules/How to Join and Leave 
> Agora
> index 4683d3d..91e2b6c 100644
> --- a/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> +++ b/rules/How to Join and Leave Agora
> @@ -63,7 +63,8 @@ text: |
>consent.

I'd remove all this part and possibly replace it with a quick blurb
stating "Amend RXXX: by adding the lines starting with + and removing
the lines starting with -". A simple wrapper script could do most of
that work, and it'd be more readable to people not familiar with diffs.

>
>A player CAN deregister (cease being a player) by announcement.
> -  If e does so, e CANNOT register by announcement for 30 days.
> +  If e does so, e CANNOT cause register emself to become a player
> +  for 30 days.

This looks nice.

>If a player has not sent a message to a public forum in the last
>month, then any player CAN deregister em without objection.
> }

I'd also trim the context that diffs leave in.

> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
>
>
>




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Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Truthfulness

[Kerim Aydin]

Actually, the word democratization made me think of another approach,
  it was called karma, and it worked pretty well most of the
time as a nice social constraint and reward with occasioanal spats of tit for 
tat
that were self-limiting, because if the combatants got out of hand, others
would step in a dock both sides.  And it was at a guess 80% positive, 20%
negative.  Think I'll throw a proposal for that out.

On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Nic Evans wrote:
> On 09/10/17 12:41, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> >
> > I've always disliked thought police rules, we've had them, but both
> > the burden of evidence and bad feeling make them a pain, and trying
> > to codify specific forbidden speech leaves loopholes where a scammer
> > can skirt the technical punishment while still being just as "bad".
> >
> > Going along with our current punishment metaphor, and recent discussion of 
> > conduct, why not just implement an "unsportsmanlike conduct" card with some
> > general guidelines on what that is, maybe a higher bar for fingerpointing 
> > (I dunno, 
> > 3 support) and/or letting judges figure out what qualifies...
> 
> Democratizing sanctions on conduct sounds a lot like a popularity
> contest, and probably breeds just as many bad feelings.
> 
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Truthfulness

[Nic Evans]

On 09/10/17 12:41, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
> I've always disliked thought police rules, we've had them, but both
> the burden of evidence and bad feeling make them a pain, and trying
> to codify specific forbidden speech leaves loopholes where a scammer
> can skirt the technical punishment while still being just as "bad".
>
> Going along with our current punishment metaphor, and recent discussion of 
> conduct, why not just implement an "unsportsmanlike conduct" card with some
> general guidelines on what that is, maybe a higher bar for fingerpointing (I 
> dunno, 
> 3 support) and/or letting judges figure out what qualifies...

Democratizing sanctions on conduct sounds a lot like a popularity
contest, and probably breeds just as many bad feelings.



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Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Truthfulness

[Cuddle Beam]

Proto:
White Card: This card is appropriate for cases of unsportsmanlike contact
where no other card is appropriate. This card can be (and only be) awarded
by announcement which also contains a specification of a number and 3
support. The possessor of this card cannot perform any ruleset-granted
action for that number's amount of days.

On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 7:41 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> I've always disliked thought police rules, we've had them, but both
> the burden of evidence and bad feeling make them a pain, and trying
> to codify specific forbidden speech leaves loopholes where a scammer
> can skirt the technical punishment while still being just as "bad".
>
> Going along with our current punishment metaphor, and recent discussion of
> conduct, why not just implement an "unsportsmanlike conduct" card with some
> general guidelines on what that is, maybe a higher bar for fingerpointing
> (I dunno,
> 3 support) and/or letting judges figure out what qualifies...
>
> On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Cuddle Beam wrote:
> > Do statements on a-d count?
> > Do statements that people publish elsewhere, outside of Agora, also
> count?
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Aris Merchant <
> thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >   I retract the proposal "Truthfulness", and submit the following.
> >
> >   ---
> >   Title: Truthfulness v2
> >   Adoption index: 1.0
> >   Author: Aris
> >   Co-authors:
> >
> >   Amend Rule 2471, "No Faking", by changing it to read in full:
> >
> > A person SHALL NOT make a public statement that is a lie. A
> statment is a lie
> > if its publisher either knew or believed it to be not to be true
> at the time
> > e published it (or, in the case of an action, not to be
> effective), and it
> > was made with the intent to mislead. Merely quoting a statement
> does not
> > constitute making it for the purposes of this rule.  Any
> disclaimer,
> > conditional clause, or other qualifier attached to a statement
> constitutes
> > part of the statement for the purposes of this rule; the truth
> or falsity of
> > the whole is what is significant.
> >
> > The previous provisions of this rule notwithstanding, a formal
> announcement of
> > intent is never a lie.
> >
> >   On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 12:33 AM, Aris Merchant
> >    wrote:
> >   > I submit the following proposal. Proposals are cheap, so I'm just
> >   > going to put this out and probably pend it tomorrow. This alters
> our
> >   > current "No Faking" Rule, changing it into an old-fashioned no
> lying
> >   > in public rule. My primary motivation for this is the rather
> vague
> >   > idea that it might lead to interesting gameplay, as it certainly
> did
> >   > in the past. Note that it only applies to the public fora, so
> you're
> >   > free to lie as much as you like on a-d, as I understand is
> >   > traditional. I borrowed most of the text, tweaking it to make it
> a
> >   > little less demanding.
> >   >
> >   > -Aris
> >   > ---
> >   > Title: Truthfulness
> >   > Adoption index: 1.0
> >   > Author: Aris
> >   > Co-authors:
> >   >
> >   > Amend Rule 2471, "No Faking", by changing it to read in full:
> >   >
> >   >   A person SHALL NOT make a public statement that is a lie. A
> statment is a lie
> >   >   if its publisher either knew or believed it to be not to be
> true (or, in the
> >   >   case of an action, not to be effective), and it is made with
> the intent to
> >   >   mislead. Merely quoting a statement does not constitute making
> it for the
> >   >   purposes of this rule.  Any disclaimer, conditional clause, or
> other
> >   >   qualifier attached to a statement constitutes part of the
> statement for
> >   >   the purposes of this rule; the truth or falsity of the whole
> is what is
> >   >   significant.
> >   >
> >   >   The previous provisions of this rule notwithstanding, a formal
> announcement of
> >   >   intent is never a lie.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Truthfulness

[Kerim Aydin]

I've always disliked thought police rules, we've had them, but both
the burden of evidence and bad feeling make them a pain, and trying
to codify specific forbidden speech leaves loopholes where a scammer
can skirt the technical punishment while still being just as "bad".

Going along with our current punishment metaphor, and recent discussion of 
conduct, why not just implement an "unsportsmanlike conduct" card with some
general guidelines on what that is, maybe a higher bar for fingerpointing (I 
dunno, 
3 support) and/or letting judges figure out what qualifies...

On Sun, 10 Sep 2017, Cuddle Beam wrote:
> Do statements on a-d count?
> Do statements that people publish elsewhere, outside of Agora, also count?
> 
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Aris Merchant 
>  wrote:
>   I retract the proposal "Truthfulness", and submit the following.
> 
>   ---
>   Title: Truthfulness v2
>   Adoption index: 1.0
>   Author: Aris
>   Co-authors:
> 
>   Amend Rule 2471, "No Faking", by changing it to read in full:
> 
>     A person SHALL NOT make a public statement that is a lie. A statment 
> is a lie
>     if its publisher either knew or believed it to be not to be true at 
> the time
>     e published it (or, in the case of an action, not to be effective), 
> and it
>     was made with the intent to mislead. Merely quoting a statement does 
> not
>     constitute making it for the purposes of this rule.  Any disclaimer,
>     conditional clause, or other qualifier attached to a statement 
> constitutes
>     part of the statement for the purposes of this rule; the truth or 
> falsity of
>     the whole is what is significant.
> 
>     The previous provisions of this rule notwithstanding, a formal 
> announcement of
>     intent is never a lie.
> 
>   On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 12:33 AM, Aris Merchant
>    wrote:
>   > I submit the following proposal. Proposals are cheap, so I'm just
>   > going to put this out and probably pend it tomorrow. This alters our
>   > current "No Faking" Rule, changing it into an old-fashioned no lying
>   > in public rule. My primary motivation for this is the rather vague
>   > idea that it might lead to interesting gameplay, as it certainly did
>   > in the past. Note that it only applies to the public fora, so you're
>   > free to lie as much as you like on a-d, as I understand is
>   > traditional. I borrowed most of the text, tweaking it to make it a
>   > little less demanding.
>   >
>   > -Aris
>   > ---
>   > Title: Truthfulness
>   > Adoption index: 1.0
>   > Author: Aris
>   > Co-authors:
>   >
>   > Amend Rule 2471, "No Faking", by changing it to read in full:
>   >
>   >   A person SHALL NOT make a public statement that is a lie. A 
> statment is a lie
>   >   if its publisher either knew or believed it to be not to be true 
> (or, in the
>   >   case of an action, not to be effective), and it is made with the 
> intent to
>   >   mislead. Merely quoting a statement does not constitute making it 
> for the
>   >   purposes of this rule.  Any disclaimer, conditional clause, or other
>   >   qualifier attached to a statement constitutes part of the statement 
> for
>   >   the purposes of this rule; the truth or falsity of the whole is 
> what is
>   >   significant.
>   >
>   >   The previous provisions of this rule notwithstanding, a formal 
> announcement of
>   >   intent is never a lie.
> 
> 
> 
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Truthfulness

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

Did you read the entire message?
On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 09:43 Cuddle Beam  wrote:

> Sorry for the double post but I just got another idea:
>
> What if I made an Agency/Contract that let me be other people's
> talking-proxy? If they deliberately lie, they wouldn't be infringing "and
> it was made with the intent to mislead.", because I wouldn't have "made"
> the message with any intent, because I didn't make it at all, so I can't
> make it "with" something. So despite the rules "believing" that I did make
> it, that just assigns the tag that I made that message, but
> intent-with-message wouldn't be there at all, because I never produced an
> intent-with-message (although the original sender may definitely have their
> own intent-with-message in their heads, but luckily that kind of
> "thoughtcrime" wouldn't be attributed to me via Acting on Behalf).
>
> If this rule passes, and I'm correct in the technique I've just posted,
> I'm up for making a trade with another person where we are each other's
> talking proxy, so that we can never be hit by "no Faking" for whatever
> reason. And its free lol. It's like having free "Indulgencies" back in the
> days of Blots.
>
> That aside, is "to intend" something performable via agency? It's an
> action, and it would be very ruleset relevant if this "no faking" passes,
> because then I could reroute all of my intents to someone where those
> intents mean nothing because they're mismatched with actions which have
> nothing to do with them (assuming that thoughts without action based on
> those thoughts aren't criminal, just thoughts).
>
> This goes a bit into philosophical territory so I'll lounge on it in a-d
> for a good while before trying it for real, would my idea be good/feasible
> in the first place.
>
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:
>
>> Do statements on a-d count?
>>
>> Do statements that people publish elsewhere, outside of Agora, also count?
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Aris Merchant <
>> thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I retract the proposal "Truthfulness", and submit the following.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Title: Truthfulness v2
>>> Adoption index: 1.0
>>> Author: Aris
>>> Co-authors:
>>>
>>> Amend Rule 2471, "No Faking", by changing it to read in full:
>>>
>>>   A person SHALL NOT make a public statement that is a lie. A statment
>>> is a lie
>>>   if its publisher either knew or believed it to be not to be true at
>>> the time
>>>   e published it (or, in the case of an action, not to be effective),
>>> and it
>>>   was made with the intent to mislead. Merely quoting a statement does
>>> not
>>>   constitute making it for the purposes of this rule.  Any disclaimer,
>>>   conditional clause, or other qualifier attached to a statement
>>> constitutes
>>>   part of the statement for the purposes of this rule; the truth or
>>> falsity of
>>>   the whole is what is significant.
>>>
>>>   The previous provisions of this rule notwithstanding, a formal
>>> announcement of
>>>   intent is never a lie.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 12:33 AM, Aris Merchant
>>>  wrote:
>>> > I submit the following proposal. Proposals are cheap, so I'm just
>>> > going to put this out and probably pend it tomorrow. This alters our
>>> > current "No Faking" Rule, changing it into an old-fashioned no lying
>>> > in public rule. My primary motivation for this is the rather vague
>>> > idea that it might lead to interesting gameplay, as it certainly did
>>> > in the past. Note that it only applies to the public fora, so you're
>>> > free to lie as much as you like on a-d, as I understand is
>>> > traditional. I borrowed most of the text, tweaking it to make it a
>>> > little less demanding.
>>> >
>>> > -Aris
>>> > ---
>>> > Title: Truthfulness
>>> > Adoption index: 1.0
>>> > Author: Aris
>>> > Co-authors:
>>> >
>>> > Amend Rule 2471, "No Faking", by changing it to read in full:
>>> >
>>> >   A person SHALL NOT make a public statement that is a lie. A statment
>>> is a lie
>>> >   if its publisher either knew or believed it to be not to be true
>>> (or, in the
>>> >   case of an action, not to be effective), and it is made with the
>>> intent to
>>> >   mislead. Merely quoting a statement does not constitute making it
>>> for the
>>> >   purposes of this rule.  Any disclaimer, conditional clause, or other
>>> >   qualifier attached to a statement constitutes part of the statement
>>> for
>>> >   the purposes of this rule; the truth or falsity of the whole is what
>>> is
>>> >   significant.
>>> >
>>> >   The previous provisions of this rule notwithstanding, a formal
>>> announcement of
>>> >   intent is never a lie.
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Truthfulness

[Cuddle Beam]

Sorry for the double post but I just got another idea:

What if I made an Agency/Contract that let me be other people's
talking-proxy? If they deliberately lie, they wouldn't be infringing "and
it was made with the intent to mislead.", because I wouldn't have "made"
the message with any intent, because I didn't make it at all, so I can't
make it "with" something. So despite the rules "believing" that I did make
it, that just assigns the tag that I made that message, but
intent-with-message wouldn't be there at all, because I never produced an
intent-with-message (although the original sender may definitely have their
own intent-with-message in their heads, but luckily that kind of
"thoughtcrime" wouldn't be attributed to me via Acting on Behalf).

If this rule passes, and I'm correct in the technique I've just posted, I'm
up for making a trade with another person where we are each other's talking
proxy, so that we can never be hit by "no Faking" for whatever reason. And
its free lol. It's like having free "Indulgencies" back in the days of
Blots.

That aside, is "to intend" something performable via agency? It's an
action, and it would be very ruleset relevant if this "no faking" passes,
because then I could reroute all of my intents to someone where those
intents mean nothing because they're mismatched with actions which have
nothing to do with them (assuming that thoughts without action based on
those thoughts aren't criminal, just thoughts).

This goes a bit into philosophical territory so I'll lounge on it in a-d
for a good while before trying it for real, would my idea be good/feasible
in the first place.

On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Cuddle Beam  wrote:

> Do statements on a-d count?
>
> Do statements that people publish elsewhere, outside of Agora, also count?
>
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Aris Merchant <
> thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I retract the proposal "Truthfulness", and submit the following.
>>
>> ---
>> Title: Truthfulness v2
>> Adoption index: 1.0
>> Author: Aris
>> Co-authors:
>>
>> Amend Rule 2471, "No Faking", by changing it to read in full:
>>
>>   A person SHALL NOT make a public statement that is a lie. A statment is
>> a lie
>>   if its publisher either knew or believed it to be not to be true at the
>> time
>>   e published it (or, in the case of an action, not to be effective), and
>> it
>>   was made with the intent to mislead. Merely quoting a statement does not
>>   constitute making it for the purposes of this rule.  Any disclaimer,
>>   conditional clause, or other qualifier attached to a statement
>> constitutes
>>   part of the statement for the purposes of this rule; the truth or
>> falsity of
>>   the whole is what is significant.
>>
>>   The previous provisions of this rule notwithstanding, a formal
>> announcement of
>>   intent is never a lie.
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 12:33 AM, Aris Merchant
>>  wrote:
>> > I submit the following proposal. Proposals are cheap, so I'm just
>> > going to put this out and probably pend it tomorrow. This alters our
>> > current "No Faking" Rule, changing it into an old-fashioned no lying
>> > in public rule. My primary motivation for this is the rather vague
>> > idea that it might lead to interesting gameplay, as it certainly did
>> > in the past. Note that it only applies to the public fora, so you're
>> > free to lie as much as you like on a-d, as I understand is
>> > traditional. I borrowed most of the text, tweaking it to make it a
>> > little less demanding.
>> >
>> > -Aris
>> > ---
>> > Title: Truthfulness
>> > Adoption index: 1.0
>> > Author: Aris
>> > Co-authors:
>> >
>> > Amend Rule 2471, "No Faking", by changing it to read in full:
>> >
>> >   A person SHALL NOT make a public statement that is a lie. A statment
>> is a lie
>> >   if its publisher either knew or believed it to be not to be true (or,
>> in the
>> >   case of an action, not to be effective), and it is made with the
>> intent to
>> >   mislead. Merely quoting a statement does not constitute making it for
>> the
>> >   purposes of this rule.  Any disclaimer, conditional clause, or other
>> >   qualifier attached to a statement constitutes part of the statement
>> for
>> >   the purposes of this rule; the truth or falsity of the whole is what
>> is
>> >   significant.
>> >
>> >   The previous provisions of this rule notwithstanding, a formal
>> announcement of
>> >   intent is never a lie.
>>
>
>

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Truthfulness

[Cuddle Beam]

Do statements on a-d count?

Do statements that people publish elsewhere, outside of Agora, also count?

On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Aris Merchant  wrote:

> I retract the proposal "Truthfulness", and submit the following.
>
> ---
> Title: Truthfulness v2
> Adoption index: 1.0
> Author: Aris
> Co-authors:
>
> Amend Rule 2471, "No Faking", by changing it to read in full:
>
>   A person SHALL NOT make a public statement that is a lie. A statment is
> a lie
>   if its publisher either knew or believed it to be not to be true at the
> time
>   e published it (or, in the case of an action, not to be effective), and
> it
>   was made with the intent to mislead. Merely quoting a statement does not
>   constitute making it for the purposes of this rule.  Any disclaimer,
>   conditional clause, or other qualifier attached to a statement
> constitutes
>   part of the statement for the purposes of this rule; the truth or
> falsity of
>   the whole is what is significant.
>
>   The previous provisions of this rule notwithstanding, a formal
> announcement of
>   intent is never a lie.
>
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 12:33 AM, Aris Merchant
>  wrote:
> > I submit the following proposal. Proposals are cheap, so I'm just
> > going to put this out and probably pend it tomorrow. This alters our
> > current "No Faking" Rule, changing it into an old-fashioned no lying
> > in public rule. My primary motivation for this is the rather vague
> > idea that it might lead to interesting gameplay, as it certainly did
> > in the past. Note that it only applies to the public fora, so you're
> > free to lie as much as you like on a-d, as I understand is
> > traditional. I borrowed most of the text, tweaking it to make it a
> > little less demanding.
> >
> > -Aris
> > ---
> > Title: Truthfulness
> > Adoption index: 1.0
> > Author: Aris
> > Co-authors:
> >
> > Amend Rule 2471, "No Faking", by changing it to read in full:
> >
> >   A person SHALL NOT make a public statement that is a lie. A statment
> is a lie
> >   if its publisher either knew or believed it to be not to be true (or,
> in the
> >   case of an action, not to be effective), and it is made with the
> intent to
> >   mislead. Merely quoting a statement does not constitute making it for
> the
> >   purposes of this rule.  Any disclaimer, conditional clause, or other
> >   qualifier attached to a statement constitutes part of the statement for
> >   the purposes of this rule; the truth or falsity of the whole is what is
> >   significant.
> >
> >   The previous provisions of this rule notwithstanding, a formal
> announcement of
> >   intent is never a lie.
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: SLR Ratification

[Aris Merchant]

Too much chance of there being a recent error we haven't caught yet. A
year is rather paranoid, and six months would probably work fine. Then
again, it doesn't hurt to be paranoid about things like this.

-Aris

On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 12:13 AM, VJ Rada  wrote:
> Why aren't we ratifying the current one?
>
> On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 4:49 PM, Aris Merchant
>  wrote:
>> I submit the following proposal, and will pend it tomorrow right
>> before I distribute. For the reference all the new players, we used to
>> ratify the SLR every once in a while to make sure it doesn't get too
>> far from the way we understood it to be (or so I'm told, I wasn't here
>> yet then). Terrifyingly, we haven't done so since 1 May 2014, as
>> reported by the FLR. This is serious problem, as it means there has
>> been significant time for our perception of the rules to drift from
>> the platonic reality. I therefore propose that we ratify the SLR
>> published by G. almost exactly a year ago (we only ratify the SLR, so
>> that we don't ratify the rule histories, only their states).
>>
>> -Aris
>> ---
>> Title: SLR Ratification
>> Adoption index: 3.0
>> Author: Aris
>> Co-authors:
>>
>> Ratify the Short Logical Ruleset published on the 9th of September 2016,
>> available here [1].
>>
>> [1] 
>> https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-official/2016-September/011230.html
>
>
>
> --
> From V.J Rada

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: SLR Ratification

[VJ Rada]

Why aren't we ratifying the current one?

On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 4:49 PM, Aris Merchant
 wrote:
> I submit the following proposal, and will pend it tomorrow right
> before I distribute. For the reference all the new players, we used to
> ratify the SLR every once in a while to make sure it doesn't get too
> far from the way we understood it to be (or so I'm told, I wasn't here
> yet then). Terrifyingly, we haven't done so since 1 May 2014, as
> reported by the FLR. This is serious problem, as it means there has
> been significant time for our perception of the rules to drift from
> the platonic reality. I therefore propose that we ratify the SLR
> published by G. almost exactly a year ago (we only ratify the SLR, so
> that we don't ratify the rule histories, only their states).
>
> -Aris
> ---
> Title: SLR Ratification
> Adoption index: 3.0
> Author: Aris
> Co-authors:
>
> Ratify the Short Logical Ruleset published on the 9th of September 2016,
> available here [1].
>
> [1] 
> https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-official/2016-September/011230.html



-- 
>From V.J Rada

DIS: Re: BUS: [Prop] Proletarian Revolution v2

[Aris Merchant]

Correction: all players, not Agora.

-Aris


On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 11:25 PM, Aris Merchant
 wrote:
> First, I'm distributing tomorrow (for clarity, between 12 and 24 hours
> from now), and it would simplify my operations somewhat if you could
> pend this before then.
>
> Second, I'm concerned about the way you're handling organizations (and
> thus contracts). It seems likely to disproportionately and unfairly
> impact communal service organizations. I would suggest using the
> principle of "effective control", which I invented for my Card Reform
> and Expansion proposal. The idea is that if someone controls money, it
> should be counted as theirs, but if they don't it shouldn't. In this
> case it would mean that half of all money that an
> organization/contract owns that a person controls is transferred to
> Agora. The phrasing "effective control" is vague enough that judges
> can work out the details in accordance with fairness and common sense.
> For instance, if a person is the sole member of an organization and
> can unilaterally amend it, e probably controls its money even if its
> charter doesn't say so. I believe that this creates a system that is
> fairer while maintaining adaptability. For the sake of full
> disclosure, I'm likely to vote at least PRESENT anyway, mostly because
> I disagree with fear as mechanism of encouraging spending (effective,
> but not very friendly). I do commend you for the amount of thinking
> that has obviously gone into this.
>
> -Aris
>
> On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 8:52 PM, Gaelan Steele  wrote:
>> I’ve learned my lesson about insta-pending. I create this proposal
>> “Proletarian Rerevolution” with AI 1 by Gaelan and o: {{{
>>
>> Create a Power 1 rule titled “The Hot Potato” (or amend it, if it already
>> exists) with the following text: {{
>>
>> For the purposes of this rule, the Wealth of a player may be calculated by
>> taking their shiny balance, then, for each organization they are a member
>> of, adding the shiny balance of that organization divided by that
>> organization’s member count, rounded down.
>>
>> The player with the largest Wealth value is said to have the Hot Potato.
>>
>>
>> Combustibility is defined as (x/500)*(y/30) where x is the difference
>> between the lowest and highest player Wealth values, and y is the number of
>> days in the past 30 days in which the current holder of the Hot Potato has
>> held the Hot Potato at any point in the day. If Combustibility would be
>> greater than 1 according to the above formula, it is instead defined as 1.
>>
>>
>> The Pyromaniac is an office.
>>
>>
>> Once per day, the Pyromaniac SHALL randomly select whether or not Combustion
>> occurs, such that the probability of Combustion occurring is equal to the
>> current Combustibility. If Combustion occurs, the Pyromaniac SHALL announce
>> this publicly. The Pyromaniac NEED NOT announce that Combustion has not
>> occurred. When Combustion occurs, half of the current Hot Potato holder’s
>> shinies are evenly distributed among the remaining players, with players
>> with lower wealth receiving more shinies if even division is not possible.
>> Then, for each organization the Combusted player is a member of, a portion
>> of the organization’s shiny balance, calculated via the formula 1/(2x) where
>> x is the number of members, is evenly distributed among all players,
>> breaking ties with players with lower wealth receiving more shinies if even
>> division is not possible.
>>
>> If the rules define a concept known a as a Contract, any player may cause
>> this rule to amend itself by announcement, replacing the word “organization”
>> with “contract” and “member” with “party,” then removing this paragraph. If
>> the current date is after November 2017, any player may cause this rule to
>> amend itself by removing this paragraph.
>>
>> }}
>> Make Gaelan the Pyromaniac.
>>
>> }}}
>>
>> Gaelan

DIS: Re: BUS: [Prop] Proletarian Revolution v2

[Aris Merchant]

First, I'm distributing tomorrow (for clarity, between 12 and 24 hours
from now), and it would simplify my operations somewhat if you could
pend this before then.

Second, I'm concerned about the way you're handling organizations (and
thus contracts). It seems likely to disproportionately and unfairly
impact communal service organizations. I would suggest using the
principle of "effective control", which I invented for my Card Reform
and Expansion proposal. The idea is that if someone controls money, it
should be counted as theirs, but if they don't it shouldn't. In this
case it would mean that half of all money that an
organization/contract owns that a person controls is transferred to
Agora. The phrasing "effective control" is vague enough that judges
can work out the details in accordance with fairness and common sense.
For instance, if a person is the sole member of an organization and
can unilaterally amend it, e probably controls its money even if its
charter doesn't say so. I believe that this creates a system that is
fairer while maintaining adaptability. For the sake of full
disclosure, I'm likely to vote at least PRESENT anyway, mostly because
I disagree with fear as mechanism of encouraging spending (effective,
but not very friendly). I do commend you for the amount of thinking
that has obviously gone into this.

-Aris

On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 8:52 PM, Gaelan Steele  wrote:
> I’ve learned my lesson about insta-pending. I create this proposal
> “Proletarian Rerevolution” with AI 1 by Gaelan and o: {{{
>
> Create a Power 1 rule titled “The Hot Potato” (or amend it, if it already
> exists) with the following text: {{
>
> For the purposes of this rule, the Wealth of a player may be calculated by
> taking their shiny balance, then, for each organization they are a member
> of, adding the shiny balance of that organization divided by that
> organization’s member count, rounded down.
>
> The player with the largest Wealth value is said to have the Hot Potato.
>
>
> Combustibility is defined as (x/500)*(y/30) where x is the difference
> between the lowest and highest player Wealth values, and y is the number of
> days in the past 30 days in which the current holder of the Hot Potato has
> held the Hot Potato at any point in the day. If Combustibility would be
> greater than 1 according to the above formula, it is instead defined as 1.
>
>
> The Pyromaniac is an office.
>
>
> Once per day, the Pyromaniac SHALL randomly select whether or not Combustion
> occurs, such that the probability of Combustion occurring is equal to the
> current Combustibility. If Combustion occurs, the Pyromaniac SHALL announce
> this publicly. The Pyromaniac NEED NOT announce that Combustion has not
> occurred. When Combustion occurs, half of the current Hot Potato holder’s
> shinies are evenly distributed among the remaining players, with players
> with lower wealth receiving more shinies if even division is not possible.
> Then, for each organization the Combusted player is a member of, a portion
> of the organization’s shiny balance, calculated via the formula 1/(2x) where
> x is the number of members, is evenly distributed among all players,
> breaking ties with players with lower wealth receiving more shinies if even
> division is not possible.
>
> If the rules define a concept known a as a Contract, any player may cause
> this rule to amend itself by announcement, replacing the word “organization”
> with “contract” and “member” with “party,” then removing this paragraph. If
> the current date is after November 2017, any player may cause this rule to
> amend itself by removing this paragraph.
>
> }}
> Make Gaelan the Pyromaniac.
>
> }}}
>
> Gaelan