[amsat-bb] Re: fo-29
I doubt it was intentional. They probably just can't hear the satellite. Just have to spin the dial when that happens. 73, Paul, N8HM On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Jeff KB2M k...@comcast.net wrote: Just tried a FO-29 pass for the first time in months. I don't get down here to operate at my main station much anymore. I put myself right around 435.850, a clear freq and proceeded to try and make a few contacts. Well, after one contact all of a sudden there were 3 or 4 stations calling CQ on 850, right on top of the station I was trying to work. I don't get it, there is plenty of bandwidth why do people call right in the middle of someone trying to make a contact. I gave up, unbelievable... 73 Jeff kb2m ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: fo-29
Jeff, As N8HM said, some aren't hearing that you are already on that frequency. For others, the software controlling the radio(s) put them on the center of the transponder, and the operator doesn't bother to tune around and change that frequency. If you start out 10 or 15 kHz above the center frequency when working SSB, or a similar distance below the center frequency if you are working CW, you'll avoid the hassle of fighting all the stations trying to occupy the center of the transponder simultaneously. Other than the 20 kHz transponder on AO-73 at night, there's more than enough room to move off the center frequency and help spread out the activity. And if you are on over the next few days and hear W1AW/7 on, please give us a call. Either John K8YSE/7 or I will be on the mic. Glad to see you're getting back on FO-29... 73! Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK http://www.wd9ewk.net/ On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Jeff KB2M k...@comcast.net wrote: Just tried a FO-29 pass for the first time in months. I don't get down here to operate at my main station much anymore. I put myself right around 435.850, a clear freq and proceeded to try and make a few contacts. Well, after one contact all of a sudden there were 3 or 4 stations calling CQ on 850, right on top of the station I was trying to work. I don't get it, there is plenty of bandwidth why do people call right in the middle of someone trying to make a contact. I gave up, unbelievable... 73 Jeff kb2m ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: fo-29
Hi Jeff, Don't let a few rotten apples spoil the basket. What you encountered is common on FO-29 even with its generous passband. As a general guideline I recommend portable and demo stations transmit outside 145.930-960 to play it safe. 73 Clayton W5PFG On Mar 14, 2014 4:10 PM, Jeff KB2M k...@comcast.net wrote: Just tried a FO-29 pass for the first time in months. I don't get down here to operate at my main station much anymore. I put myself right around 435.850, a clear freq and proceeded to try and make a few contacts. Well, after one contact all of a sudden there were 3 or 4 stations calling CQ on 850, right on top of the station I was trying to work. I don't get it, there is plenty of bandwidth why do people call right in the middle of someone trying to make a contact. I gave up, unbelievable... 73 Jeff kb2m ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 wierdness during field day
Greg, I had a hard time getting into the bird on that pass, figured it was pointing angle or inversion layer. Next morning it was fine. Art, KC6UQH (W6NWG for FD) -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Greg D Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 8:50 PM To: Amsat BB Subject: [amsat-bb] FO-29 wierdness during field day Hi folks, Now that the bustle of Field Day is over, an observation I want to pass on. Did anyone else experience this? On one of the Saturday night passes I noticed that FO-29 suddenly went kind of silent. Not totally so, but enough that the QSO that I was desperately trying to complete was interrupted. It was around 9:45 pm local PDT, if I recall. Just finished with K6MMM, and was trying to get K6AA, I think. (Note to self: turn on the recorder next time!) I didn't check for an eclipse, but that's my guess, though it was also about the time the bird went past TCA and all Doppler had broken loose. The bird sounded like 20 meters during the day, but with everyone's VFO on skids going in different directions. Right towards the end of the pass I heard another station on, so I know the bird hadn't died. Anybody hear that? Greg KO6TH ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29
Rick, FO-29 has a strong CW beacon at 435.795 +/- Doppler. It's down there by itself and easy to find. Also most downlink signals are concentrated and very strong around 435.850 +/- 10 midway in the pass band. Are you working or hearing any other sats? GL Mike K9QHO ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29
Thanks for all the suggestions. I found my problem was rain on my homebrewed double moxon. I haven't had time to take it down and see if I can repair it as it worked quite well. but I just bought an m2 eggbeater for 70 cm that should be much more reliable at the vacation qth. Things had been working fine with a few contacts on the home brew antenna until the rains came. 73 Rick W2JAZ Sent from my iPad http://RickLawn.com On Jul 22, 2012, at 3:31 PM, WILLIAMS MICHAEL k9qho6...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Rick, FO-29 has a strong CW beacon at 435.795 +/- Doppler. It's down there by itself and easy to find. Also most downlink signals are concentrated and very strong around 435.850 +/- 10 midway in the pass band. Are you working or hearing any other sats? GL Mike K9QHO ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: Fo-29
Rick, According to, http://oscar.dcarr.org/, FO-29 is operational, this site is a good source to determine if the satellite you're tracking is operational. 73 WB2OQQ ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 @ 20:25Z
At 01:43 PM 6/8/2012 -0700, Joe Batty j...@rocketmail.com wrote: Hi Folks, Just for my own edification, what the heck was the noise on FO-29 around the 2020UTC pass today? Was that man made stuff or what? Some one playing around, the Sat or? I'm still learning this stuff and I'm just curious. 73 and thank you Joe KT7E Morse Code. ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 @ 20:25Z
Never mind, I was on the westerly 22:15 pass. no wonder I did not hear anything :) Andy KN6ZA ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 @ 20:25Z
I am pretty sure that was someone keying FM on and off, sounding a bit like really bad code, or as some folks call chirpy. I know, because I made a few contacts on FO-20 that way before I got an SSB rig for 2m :-) 73, Jerry, K5OE Hi Folks, Just for my own edification, what the heck was the noise on FO-29 around the 2020UTC pass today? Was that man made stuff or what? Some one playing around, the Sat or? I'm still learning this stuff and I'm just curious. 73 and thank you Joe KT7E ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 QSO Below the Horizon
Hi John,K8YSE When AO40 was alive and well I had many QSO's with the East coast of USA in Mode L/S with the satellite down up to - 2.5 degrees belove the horizon for me and for the station in contact with me. The keplerian elements were the same for me and for the stations in contact with me using both the same tracking program InstantTrack. We supposed that in particular situations of temperature and humidity a duct is created over the surface of the see permitting the contact belove the horizon We can't investigate more deeply into the above phenomenon because AO40 died. I do not remember the call letter of many stations in USA in contact with me under such circumstances but if someone from the Est coast read this letter and remember,please replay. 73 de i8CVS Domenico - Original Message - From: John Papay j...@papays.com To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 4:45 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] FO-29 QSO Below the Horizon Every now and then someone asks about the possibility of making a satellite QSO when the bird is below the horizon. Once in while it happens as it did with Adrian, AA5UK/KH6, on FO-29 this morning at 0849utc. Adrian has been operating from KH6 and trying to give out WAS to the deserving. Many have made their first Hawaii QSO thanks to his efforts. I had a 0.8 degree pass this morning on FO-29 but when Adrian was at 3 degrees, I was at 0.0 degrees. There was a short window of opportunity after that point. As I was waiting for FO-29 to come up over the horizon I started hearing Adrian at -0.9 degrees. At -0.5 I called him and we had a qso that ended about 2 seconds after my AOS. My recorder is configured to start recording at AOS and it only captured a few seconds of my last transmission. Doug KD8CAO had his recorder running so you can hear my qso that took place below the horizon. I have my ground elevation in the setup so the calculations should be accurate. The best opportunity for a below the horizon contact occurs when the satellite is skimming the horizon rather than going away from you. If it is skimming there is much more time at the critical -1.5 to 0.0 degree elevation and that is what happened this morning. Recordings are on my website. http://www.papays.com/sat/general.html A big thank you to Adrian for making the effort to work the difficult passes and stretch the limits. If it were easy, everyone would be doing it. 73, John K8YSE ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 heard by several European stations
Nice and strong on the 1812 pass here in EL88. It looks like the batts are good enough to get through eclipse. Maybe we ought to limit use when it's not illuminated? 73, Drew KO4MA -Original Message- From: Ib Christoffersen oz...@privat.dk Sent: Dec 31, 2011 11:35 AM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] FO-29 heard by several European stations Hi all, At the report page several European stations report FO-29 on. http://oscar.dcarr.org/ She worked very well. Any comment from our Japanese friends ? Happy New Year to all. 73 OZ1MY Ib ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 heard by several European stations
Just worked N0KK on the 19:45 pass, heard AC0RA as well, but no QSO... bird sounds great! Nice to have her back!!! George, KA3HSW - Original Message From: Andrew Glasbrenner glasbren...@mindspring.com To: Ib Christoffersen oz...@privat.dk; amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Sat, December 31, 2011 12:14:11 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 heard by several European stations Nice and strong on the 1812 pass here in EL88. It looks like the batts are good enough to get through eclipse. Maybe we ought to limit use when it's not illuminated? 73, Drew KO4MA -Original Message- From: Ib Christoffersen oz...@privat.dk Sent: Dec 31, 2011 11:35 AM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] FO-29 heard by several European stations Hi all, At the report page several European stations report FO-29 on. http://oscar.dcarr.org/ She worked very well. Any comment from our Japanese friends ? Happy New Year to all. 73 OZ1MY ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 loud and clear!!
Hi! Just worked K3SZH, KG7EZ, and N9AMW on FO-29 orbit #75918 starting at 1749z. This was a high elevation pass for me and signals were very strong with only slight qsb. The 2133 UTC pass that covered the western USA was also very strong. Although I didn't make QSOs on that pass (experimenting with a new receiver in place of one of my FT-817NDs), I heard several stations on the passband. I was able to clearly hear myself through the transponder, in CW and SSB. Nice to hear FO-29 on the air again! 73! Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK http://www.wd9ewk.net/ ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 and Kenwood TH-F6a
Patrick WD9EWK has successfully used his TH-F6a for the downlink ... Clint K6LCS ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 Recovery Plan
This is excellent news, Mineo! Please share our congratulations to the FO-29 command team. 73, Mark N8MH At 05:06 PM 12/21/2011 +0900, Mineo Wakita wrote: Ground Station said, Possibility of the recovery of the command device of FO-29 was made. It is temporary system constitution, but seems to be able to reopen the use of the satellite. We perform the function confirmation of the command device on 23 Dec 2011 and draw up the year-end and new-year operative plan if there is not a problem. And we recover the system of the command device. 23 Dec 14:20-14:25 UTC, Command Test, JTA ON/OFF 24 Dec 05:00 UTC, Test Operation over JA (Until it stop in UVC action) 25 Dec 14:16 UTC, Test Operation over JA (Until it stop in UVC action) JE9PEL, Mineo Wakita ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 and help with translation
FO-29 analog repeater stop 2011-10- 313: 12: 14 | Weblog The analog repeater of FO-29 has stopped.According to the information from JA1CPA 9/2904: That with pass of 59 (UTC) it was operational, it is thing. Because shade ratio exceeded 27%, the thing and the consideration where UVC operates it is done.Transmitting the command of analog transmitter on with pass of the duration of sunshine of 8 day - 10 days, it is the schedule which does functional confirmatory test. is this what you were looking for? hope this helps kc0zhf ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 and help with translation
Had a friend of mine translate, here tis: 8th Oct It said PC's command equipment component list has a problem. Operation will be stopped on 8th 9th 10th. 4th Oct Alma? telescope finally opened it eyes. started first scientific observation. 4th Oct Attention 1 consider the time lag 2 when the sender became on with first pass, later pass will not send the command. 3 operation status will be updated in twitter 3rd Oct Fo 29 analog repeater is stooped. According to JA1CPA 9/29 04:59 the pass was working Probably, because shadow cover rate surpass 27%, and UVC acted, We will send sender on command for functioning test by day time pass on 8-10 Oct. 3rd Oct There is going to the tour at Kyoto University on Oct 15th. On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Andrew Glasbrenner glasbren...@mindspring.com wrote: Google doesn't do well translating Japanese. Do we have a Japanese speaker who could look at http://blog.goo.ne.jp/fo-29 and give us an update on the recovery prognosis? 73, Drew KO4MA ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 not listed on AMSAT.org sat status page
Tom, Didn't see it either. 73s, Alan WA4SCA -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Tom Schuessler Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 11:17 PM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] FO-29 not listed on AMSAT.org sat status page Am I missing something but is there not a listing for FO-29 on the Sat Status page? ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 not listed on AMSAT.org sat status page
Look at the list of all satellites and it's there. Since it's currently inoperative, it drops off the regular status page. 73, Drew KO4MA Sent from my iPhone On Oct 15, 2011, at 12:16 AM, Tom Schuessler tjschuess...@verizon.net wrote: Am I missing something but is there not a listing for FO-29 on the Sat Status page? ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 off
FO-29 is now OFF status. I think that FO-29 is OFF when a ratio of the eclipse is less than approximately 11% according to my past experiment. Because the eclipse rate of these past several days is approximately 28%, the other causes are thought about this FO-29 OFF. http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hamradio/je9pel/fo29tron.htm (posted 16Nov2010) Date Mins/DaySun% Thu 29Sep111034 71.81% Fri 30Sep111049 72.85% Sat 01Oct111030 71.53% Sun 02Oct111049 72.85% Mon 03Oct111020 70.83% Tue 04Oct111055 73.26% JE9PEL, Mineo Wakita ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 off
Same here, I tried for the entire pass but no dice. I hope it's only a temporary thing and not another linear bird lost. Mike, K5TRI On Sep 30, 2011, at 3:11 PM, DeYoung James wrote: Greetings, I just got back on the air from my new QTH (FM07uv) and monitored the beacon with good signals on Sep. 29 from 20:51 to 21:02 UTC. I heard no transponder activity and no beacon signal on the near zenith pass here on Sep. 30. from 19:51 to 20:05. Jim, N8OQ ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 performs well. Its a shame I often find myself the only one on during the pass
Hi Thomas, Great story. One thing I would like to add, you suggest Yahoo style, what about a forum on for example the amsat website? 73 from another dinosaur - Jan PE0SAT On Wed, June 22, 2011 16:00, Thomas Doyle wrote: The following quote from John W9EN hit home with me. FO-29 performs well. Its a shame I often find myself the only one on during the pass I am an AMSAT old timer (Amsat LM-0875) who had been inactive in ham radio for a decade or two. Recently I got back on the air. The easiest way to get back on the air was 2M/70cm repeaters. The activity level on the repeaters here in Madison is at an very low level. In the old days you could always find someone on the repeaters. I was a bit surprised to say the least. Back in the day I worked WAS on Oscar using scratch built transverters. I thought I might give the current satellites a try. I thought my gear was not working but I guess it is the low level of activity on the sats. The same situation occurred about 65 million years ago when the few remaining dinosaurs stood around and asked themselves - where is everybody. Today everybody is playing Angry Birds on their iWhatever or tweeting the fact that they are up and going to have breakfast soon. One thing that would help the satellite hobby is a more modern use of the internet for discussions. I searched for an Amsat yahoo group and could not find anything. Some sort of threaded discussion system with actual search capability like the yahoo groups would be much more useful than the current 'old school' listserv. Unfortunately the few people who read this will think I am nuts and that the current system works great - for them. That is always the situation when something is in decline - the few remaining folks like things just fine the way they are. 73 tom W9KE P.S. the spell checker on my email system picked the word transverters as misspelled. It suggested transvestites as a possible correct spelling. I guess I am truly a dinosaur. ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb -- With regards PE0SAT Internet web-page http://www.ham.vgnet.nl/ ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 performs well. Its a shame I often find myselfthe only one on during the pass
Spot on. This is the only listserv left on my list when there used to be about over 50. FO-29 usage from here in the UK has been pretty good to me, but I don't follow as many passes as I'd like. Dominic G6NQO Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: Thomas Doyle tomdoyle1...@gmail.com Sender: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:00:10 To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] FO-29 performs well. Its a shame I often find myself the only one on during the pass The following quote from John W9EN hit home with me. FO-29 performs well. Its a shame I often find myself the only one on during the pass I am an AMSAT old timer (Amsat LM-0875) who had been inactive in ham radio for a decade or two. Recently I got back on the air. The easiest way to get back on the air was 2M/70cm repeaters. The activity level on the repeaters here in Madison is at an very low level. In the old days you could always find someone on the repeaters. I was a bit surprised to say the least. Back in the day I worked WAS on Oscar using scratch built transverters. I thought I might give the current satellites a try. I thought my gear was not working but I guess it is the low level of activity on the sats. The same situation occurred about 65 million years ago when the few remaining dinosaurs stood around and asked themselves - where is everybody. Today everybody is playing Angry Birds on their iWhatever or tweeting the fact that they are up and going to have breakfast soon. One thing that would help the satellite hobby is a more modern use of the internet for discussions. I searched for an Amsat yahoo group and could not find anything. Some sort of threaded discussion system with actual search capability like the yahoo groups would be much more useful than the current 'old school' listserv. Unfortunately the few people who read this will think I am nuts and that the current system works great - for them. That is always the situation when something is in decline - the few remaining folks like things just fine the way they are. 73 tom W9KE P.S. the spell checker on my email system picked the word transverters as misspelled. It suggested transvestites as a possible correct spelling. I guess I am truly a dinosaur. ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 performs well. Its a shame I often find myself the only one on during the pass
I suspect you will not be very lonely this weekend. I will be camping on FO-29 CW every pass I can get at Field Day from EL87 in St. Petersburg. I'm hoping we get our bonus points and many more contacts on the linear birds. I might listen to AO-51 and AO-27 for kicks to listen to the zoo. :) We will be using W4TA. 73, Tom Schaefer, NY4I n...@arrl.net EL88pb Monitoring EchoLink node KJ4FEC-L 489389 DSTAR Capable APRS: NY4I-15 On Jun 23, 2011, at 1:01 AM, normn3...@stny.rr.com normn3...@stny.rr.com wrote: Too true. I have fun with the late night passes. They allow me to play without qrm'ing the folks during the day. if you feel adventurous, I'll be up on the late (2.30am east coast time) fo-29 pass. Might stick around for the 4.20 pass too Hey, maybe AO-51 is up??.. 73 de Norm n3ykf ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 performs well. Its a shame I often find myself the only one on during the pass
One thing I forgot regarding Internet discussions. What's holding you back from creating a Yahoo or Google group and promote it so that people can actually join and start the conversation? 73 Mike K5TRI On Jun 22, 2011, at 9:00 AM, Thomas Doyle wrote: One thing that would help the satellite hobby is a more modern use of the internet for discussions. I searched for an Amsat yahoo group and could not find anything. Some sort of threaded discussion system with actual search capability like the yahoo groups would be much more useful than the current 'old school' listserv. Unfortunately the few people who read this will think I am nuts and that the current system works great - for them. That is always the situation when something is in decline - the few remaining folks like things just fine the way they are. 73 tom W9KE P.S. the spell checker on my email system picked the word transverters as misspelled. It suggested transvestites as a possible correct spelling. I guess I am truly a dinosaur. ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 performs well. Its a shame I often find myself the only one on during the pass
That's actually a very good discussion. I too got back into ham radio after about 20 years of absence and of course bought a sat ready rig (FT-736R), built an antenna and off I went. I had my first QSO on AO-07 and was stoked because apparently the antenna I built out of PVC pipe and copper tubing (IOio) worked and I made a successful contact. After that I put up a basic rotor with two beams and was hoping to have more fun. Well .. I'm not sure if that stressful exchanging of grids on the FM sats can be classified as fun and I also found myself pretty lonely on the SSB sats which made me question if I really want to go the next step to get a AZ/EL rotor, pre-amps etc. and spend all that money just to have maybe a handful QSOs a month. So I'll be monitoring here for a bit more to see what the situation is like. In the meantime I sold the FT-736R to fund a newer HF radio and postponed more extensive station building. So what is the state of affairs really with SSB sats in the US? It seems that they're more active in Europe. 73 Mike K5TRI On Jun 22, 2011, at 9:00 AM, Thomas Doyle wrote: The following quote from John W9EN hit home with me. FO-29 performs well. Its a shame I often find myself the only one on during the pass I am an AMSAT old timer (Amsat LM-0875) who had been inactive in ham radio for a decade or two. Recently I got back on the air. The easiest way to get back on the air was 2M/70cm repeaters. The activity level on the repeaters here in Madison is at an very low level. In the old days you could always find someone on the repeaters. I was a bit surprised to say the least. Back in the day I worked WAS on Oscar using scratch built transverters. I thought I might give the current satellites a try. I thought my gear was not working but I guess it is the low level of activity on the sats. The same situation occurred about 65 million years ago when the few remaining dinosaurs stood around and asked themselves - where is everybody. Today everybody is playing Angry Birds on their iWhatever or tweeting the fact that they are up and going to have breakfast soon. One thing that would help the satellite hobby is a more modern use of the internet for discussions. I searched for an Amsat yahoo group and could not find anything. Some sort of threaded discussion system with actual search capability like the yahoo groups would be much more useful than the current 'old school' listserv. Unfortunately the few people who read this will think I am nuts and that the current system works great - for them. That is always the situation when something is in decline - the few remaining folks like things just fine the way they are. 73 tom W9KE P.S. the spell checker on my email system picked the word transverters as misspelled. It suggested transvestites as a possible correct spelling. I guess I am truly a dinosaur. ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 performs well. Its a shame I often find myself the only one on during the pass
Hi Mike! So what is the state of affairs really with SSB sats in the US? It seems that they're more active in Europe. There are fewer operators working SSB than FM via satellite, but there are some. FO-29 may not be the best example of SSB satellite activity - or lack thereof - due to its pass times. During the week, it passes by way too early in the morning and during the workday in the afternoon for me to get on. I will try to work FO-29 passes on some weekend afternoons, and whenever I am operating away from home. If you are looking for more activity, don't forget to try AO-7 and VO-52. When it isn't blazing hot here in the desert, I'll work them on weeknights. Most of my satellite time, FM or SSB, is confined to the weekends. I have not tried mode A on AO-7 due to not having an adequate portable 10m antenna, but have had lots of fun with mode B. VO-52 is where many start out on SSB satellite operating, with its strong downlink. I operate a portable all-mode satellite station in the absence of a home station, and have fun using all the FM and SSB satellites. I plan on being somewhere in Arizona this weekend for Field Day working satellites. Maybe even some HF and 6m, depending on time, and all at 5W (I have worked Field Days as a 1B/1-op/battery station since 2001, and on the satellites since 2006). As for W9KE's comment about a Yahoogroup (or, as others mentioned, a web-based forum) instead of this e-mail list, I know there are advantages for both. For me, I can use an e-mail client on a computer or mobile phone, or free e-mail services like Gmail, to track AMSAT-BB messages by discussion thread and post to the list. A browser isn't mandatory to participate on this list, which is helpful when away from home and my mobile phone may be my only Internet access. Google does a great job of searching AMSAT-BB messages, since the message archives are publicly available - a great way to combine the old school e-mail list with the modern ability to quickly search for messages posted to the list. 73! Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK http://www.wd9ewk.net/ ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO 29 help
Yes, Sure do miss AO-40 (10 13 too!) Dee, NB2F Accused of having my own agenda but I don't mind-seems to be the majority opinion anyway... -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of John Becker Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 6:42 PM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FO 29 help 2 real good points. I for one DON'T see what the big deal is about the FM birds other then being very easy. Every time I listen it's like a free for all. Sure do miss AO-40 John, W0JAB AMSAT life member At 04:44 PM 4/23/2011, you wrote: At 06:37 AM 4/24/2011, Kevin Deane wrote: Or he could just use FM since hardly anyone uses the SSB birds compared to the other sats. Although I am sure there are a million reasons not to use FM. even though it works just fine on the SSB birds. The feedback I got from the FO-29 Control Team was that SSB was pretty much the rule or band plan if you will. FM works, but it is STRONGLY discouraged for 2 reasons: 1. It uses more of the transponder's bandwidth (meaning less users on the bird) 2. It uses more transponder power, which is a serious consideration, given that many of our birds are getting old and the batteries are getting weak. 73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL http://vkradio.com ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO 29 help
It sounds like you when you are hearing your distorted voice it is some cross-mod from your own radio rather than a downlink signal from the bird. I assume you are using a diplexer to split the coax from the Elk to 2m and 70cm, and then running coax to each output on the TS-2000? The diplexer may not be providing adequate isolation. The center of the FO-29 passband is 435.85, not 435.8, so as the bird is approaching you most of the SSB signals will be at .85 and higher, you need to tune around. Signals from this bird are usually quite loud, so there must be a problem if you are not hearing anybody. This bird is under-utilized but there are usually at least a couple of people on. I am also using an Elk with fixed elevation (12 degrees) and it works great with my FT-847, can work FO-29 almost to the horizon. 73, Bill NZ5N Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 11:08:29 -0700 From: Ted k7trkra...@charter.net Subject: [amsat-bb] FO 29 help To: 'amsat-bb' amsat-bb@amsat.org Message-ID: 4EDCCDC24E15410BA806C31CEDA08866@HamComputer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Good morning, Since putting up the Elk on a rotor (fixed el +- 25 deg), I decided to try some linear birds. I have tried FO 29 about 3x but seem to have some issues. I am using TS-2000 in SAT mode with HRD Sat program. Up: 145.9 LSB Dn: 435.8 USB I am clearly able to track the bird with doppler as I can hear the CW beacon through the entire pass (switching back and forth). I can also TX into the bird and hear my signal coming back duplex. However, what is coming back is my voice signal but totally unintelligible. Also, I have heard no other stations on these passes. Am I doing something wrong? Tnx for any help ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO 29 help
Or he could just use FM since hardly anyone uses the SSB birds compared to the other sats. Although I am sure there are a million reasons not to use FM. even though it works just fine on the SSB birds. The feedback I got from the FO-29 Control Team was that SSB was pretty much the rule or band plan if you will. I may be wrong in my opinion, but I dont see why we cant use FM other than to keep usage down? I hope everyone dosent freak out, as this seems to be Taboo Kevin KF7MYK To: amsat-bb@amsat.org From: k...@aol.com Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 15:08:12 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FO 29 help Ted, It sounds like you are hearing a reflection of your signal, not the downlink from FO-29. This is a common malady associated with 3rd harmonic interference on mode J (V/U) satellites. Try this on a pass that will reach at least 30 degrees above the horizon: 1. Turn HRD control of your TS2K off 2. Set your uplink at 145.950 CW 3. At AOS you should hear the beacon about 8-10 kHz above the beacon freq of 435.895 (about 435.904 MHz) 4. Tune your receiver to 435.850 plus that same delta from beacon (about 435.859 USB). You should be able to tune your receive and hear your CW dits (clearly). 5. Zero beat the CW dits on the low side, switch to LSB and you should be exactly on frequency and can turn on TRACE and go anywhere in the passband. If you have auto-Doppler turned on in HRD, your program should do the same thing as this manual procedure. You should be able to hear yourself. If not, Google the diplexer fix for the harmonic problem. From the center of the passbands, whatever the UHF Doppler shift is, the VHF Doppler will be approximately 1/3 in the opposite direction. This is a helpful rule for finding your downlink manually. 73, Jerry, K5OE -- original message -- Good morning, Since putting up the Elk on a rotor (fixed el +- 25 deg), I decided to try some linear birds. I have tried FO 29 about 3x but seem to have some issues. I am using TS-2000 in SAT mode with HRD Sat program. Up: 145.9 LSB Dn: 435.8 USB I am clearly able to track the bird with doppler as I can hear the CW beacon through the entire pass (switching back and forth). I can also TX into the bird and hear my signal coming back duplex. However, what is coming back is my voice signal but totally unintelligible. Also, I have heard no other stations on these passes. Am I doing something wrong? Tnx for any help Ted, K7TRK ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO 29 help
I am clearly able to track the bird with doppler as I can hear the CW beacon through the entire pass (switching back and forth). I can also TX into the bird and hear my signal coming back duplex. However, what is coming back is my voice signal but totally unintelligible. Also, I have heard no other stations on these passes. Ted, what does it sound like on cw?? 73, Dave, WB6LLO dguim...@san.rr.com Disagree: I learn Pulling for P3E... ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO 29 help
That's a weird one...let us know when u find it!! Totally clear and full quiet no distortion -- From: Dave Guimont [mailto:dguim...@san.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 1:48 PM To: Ted Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] FO 29 help I am clearly able to track the bird with doppler as I can hear the CW beacon through the entire pass (switching back and forth). I can also TX into the bird and hear my signal coming back duplex. However, what is coming back is my voice signal but totally unintelligible. Also, I have heard no other stations on these passes. Ted, what does it sound like on cw?? 73, Dave, WB6LLO dguim...@san.rr.com Disagree: I learn Pulling for P3E... ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO 29 help
There are some very good reasons to NEVER use FM on a linear transponder, especially FO-29 and AO-7. Since FM is running a constant carrier, it sucks all the available power away from other users on the transponder, and makes the transponder run a full-carrier on the output. This is VERY hard on the power system of a satellite that was never designed for it, and particularly hard on the batteries of an older bird like FO-29. Since AO-7 is running entirely on its solar cells, forcing it to transmit a full carrier would drag the system voltage down to where it would probably reset the satellite, and possibly cause other damage. If you want to run FM, stay on the FM satellites and keep off the linear birds! Jim KQ6EA On 04/23/2011 08:37 PM, Kevin Deane wrote: Or he could just use FM since hardly anyone uses the SSB birds compared to the other sats. Although I am sure there are a million reasons not to use FM. even though it works just fine on the SSB birds. The feedback I got from the FO-29 Control Team was that SSB was pretty much the rule or band plan if you will. I may be wrong in my opinion, but I dont see why we cant use FM other than to keep usage down? I hope everyone dosent freak out, as this seems to be Taboo Kevin KF7MYK To: amsat-bb@amsat.org From: k...@aol.com Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 15:08:12 -0400 Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FO 29 help Ted, It sounds like you are hearing a reflection of your signal, not the downlink from FO-29. This is a common malady associated with 3rd harmonic interference on mode J (V/U) satellites. Try this on a pass that will reach at least 30 degrees above the horizon: 1. Turn HRD control of your TS2K off 2. Set your uplink at 145.950 CW 3. At AOS you should hear the beacon about 8-10 kHz above the beacon freq of 435.895 (about 435.904 MHz) 4. Tune your receiver to 435.850 plus that same delta from beacon (about 435.859 USB). You should be able to tune your receive and hear your CW dits (clearly). 5. Zero beat the CW dits on the low side, switch to LSB and you should be exactly on frequency and can turn on TRACE and go anywhere in the passband. If you have auto-Doppler turned on in HRD, your program should do the same thing as this manual procedure. You should be able to hear yourself. If not, Google the diplexer fix for the harmonic problem. From the center of the passbands, whatever the UHF Doppler shift is, the VHF Doppler will be approximately 1/3 in the opposite direction. This is a helpful rule for finding your downlink manually. 73, Jerry, K5OE -- original message -- Good morning, Since putting up the Elk on a rotor (fixed el +- 25 deg), I decided to try some linear birds. I have tried FO 29 about 3x but seem to have some issues. I am using TS-2000 in SAT mode with HRD Sat program. Up: 145.9 LSB Dn: 435.8 USB I am clearly able to track the bird with doppler as I can hear the CW beacon through the entire pass (switching back and forth). I can also TX into the bird and hear my signal coming back duplex. However, what is coming back is my voice signal but totally unintelligible. Also, I have heard no other stations on these passes. Am I doing something wrong? Tnx for any help Ted, K7TRK ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO 29 help
At 06:37 AM 4/24/2011, Kevin Deane wrote: Or he could just use FM since hardly anyone uses the SSB birds compared to the other sats. Although I am sure there are a million reasons not to use FM. even though it works just fine on the SSB birds. The feedback I got from the FO-29 Control Team was that SSB was pretty much the rule or band plan if you will. FM works, but it is STRONGLY discouraged for 2 reasons: 1. It uses more of the transponder's bandwidth (meaning less users on the bird) 2. It uses more transponder power, which is a serious consideration, given that many of our birds are getting old and the batteries are getting weak. 73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL http://vkradio.com ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO 29 help
Hi John, W0JAB I also missed AO40 in my opinion it was the best satellite ever made by AMSAT Pulling for P3E ! 73 de i8CVS Domenico - Original Message - From: John Becker w0...@big-river.net To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 12:41 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FO 29 help 2 real good points. I for one DON'T see what the big deal is about the FM birds other then being very easy. Every time I listen it's like a free for all. Sure do miss AO-40 John, W0JAB AMSAT life member At 04:44 PM 4/23/2011, you wrote: At 06:37 AM 4/24/2011, Kevin Deane wrote: Or he could just use FM since hardly anyone uses the SSB birds compared to the other sats. Although I am sure there are a million reasons not to use FM. even though it works just fine on the SSB birds. The feedback I got from the FO-29 Control Team was that SSB was pretty much the rule or band plan if you will. FM works, but it is STRONGLY discouraged for 2 reasons: 1. It uses more of the transponder's bandwidth (meaning less users on the bird) 2. It uses more transponder power, which is a serious consideration, given that many of our birds are getting old and the batteries are getting weak. 73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL http://vkradio.com ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: fo-29
Hi Kevin, I forgot to say that a transponder like that of FO-29 is made inverting in order to partially compensate and reduce the total doppler effect on the ground due for the uplink and the downlink frequencies because both dopplers subtracts each other into the transponder mixers during the up and down frequency conversion so that the resultant total doppler effect on the ground receiver is the difference between the uplink doppler and the downlink doppler. The reverse is through for a non inverting type transponder like for example the OSCAR-7 Mode-A transponder in wich you transmit USB in 2 meters and receive USB in 10 meters but the total doppler effect on the ground receiver is the sum of both dopplers. In the OSCAR-7 Mode-A the total doppler effect even if it is the sum of both dopplers is very low because the 2 meters uplink and 10 meters downlink frequencies are both relatively low so that the transponder can be made non inverting without considebable problems for the satellite user. 73 de i8CVS Domenico - Original Message - From: Kevin Deane To: domenico.i8...@tin.it Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 4:43 AM Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] fo-29 thanks!!! Kevin From: domenico.i8...@tin.it To: summit...@live.com; amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] fo-29 Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 03:33:04 +0100 Hi Kevin, The transponder of FO-29 is inverting and to receive correctly in USB on 70 cm you must transmit LSB in 2 meters. 73 de i8CVS Domenico - Original Message - From: Kevin Deane summit...@live.com To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 3:07 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] fo-29 so I know you all will laugh at me but what inverting means lsb down usb up is this correct ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: fo-29
so I know you all will laugh at me but what inverting means lsb down usb up is this correct It means that the signal sideband is inverting upside down in the satellite. It inverts USB to LSB and LSB to USB. It also change your frequency polarity. If you increase your frequency at the uplink, it will get downwards the same amount at the downlink. It is mirroring all signals. And converting them to an other band at the same time. :) -jari oh3uw ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: fo-29
On 28/02/2011 10:48, jari.koivuri...@aina.net wrote: so I know you all will laugh at me but what inverting means lsb down usb up is this correct It means that the signal sideband is inverting upside down in the satellite. It inverts USB to LSB and LSB to USB. It also change your frequency polarity. If you increase your frequency at the uplink, it will get downwards the same amount at the downlink. It is mirroring all signals. And converting them to an other band at the same time. :) For the birds (and I'm relatively new to this as well) I transmit LSB and receive USB - am I correct in thinking this is the accepted default or does it vary from satellite to satellite? Best, Dominic G6NQO ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: fo-29
At 10:18 PM 2/28/2011, Dominic Hawken wrote: For the birds (and I'm relatively new to this as well) I transmit LSB and receive USB - am I correct in thinking this is the accepted default or does it vary from satellite to satellite? It depends on the transponder. The actual convention is that your downlink is USB. If the transmpnder is inverting, then you need to uplink LSB, if the transponder is non inverting, you need to uplink USB. 73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL http://vkradio.com ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: fo-29
On 28/02/2011 18:03, Tony Langdon wrote: At 10:18 PM 2/28/2011, Dominic Hawken wrote: For the birds (and I'm relatively new to this as well) I transmit LSB and receive USB - am I correct in thinking this is the accepted default or does it vary from satellite to satellite? It depends on the transponder. The actual convention is that your downlink is USB. If the transmpnder is inverting, then you need to uplink LSB, if the transponder is non inverting, you need to uplink USB. Doh - of course - my bad. Receive on USB. Many thanks, Dominic G6NQO ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: fo-29
LSB up, USB down Dave - KB1PVH Sent from my Verizon Wireless DROID X On Feb 27, 2011 9:23 PM, Kevin Deane summit...@live.com wrote: so I know you all will laugh at me but what inverting means lsb down usb up is this correct ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: fo-29
Hi Kevin, The transponder of FO-29 is inverting and to receive correctly in USB on 70 cm you must transmit LSB in 2 meters. 73 de i8CVS Domenico - Original Message - From: Kevin Deane summit...@live.com To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 3:07 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] fo-29 so I know you all will laugh at me but what inverting means lsb down usb up is this correct ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: fo-29
Actually it's the other way around. You transmit on the uplink in LSB so you receive the downlink in USB. Jim KQ6EA On 02/28/2011 02:07 AM, Kevin Deane wrote: so I know you all will laugh at me but what inverting means lsb down usb up is this correct ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: fo-29
No, that's actually a good question. Usually, satellites follow the normal sideband plan for the downlink, and then you have to set your uplink depending on the satellite. So, with FO-29's downlink in the 70cm band, you'd be listening to the downlink on USB, and transmitting on the uplink on LSB. If you did transmit on USB, your signal would come back down in LSB. Nothing illegal about that, but by breaking with convention most aren't listening that way and it would slow down making a contact. Good luck, Greg KO6TH From: summit...@live.com To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 18:07:07 -0800 Subject: [amsat-bb] fo-29 so I know you all will laugh at me but what inverting means lsb down usb up is this correct ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 (USA Evening Passes)
I live on the USA west coast, and often work the evening passes (0200z - 0600z) of the FM and Linear sats. Sometimes it's just me on there, sometimes there are others, but it's definitely a lot quieter than the daytime passes! 73 de Dave KB5WIA / CM88 2xFT817ND I was wondering if anyone has been/going to be making any latenight contacts on the FO-29? ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 and AO-51 sharing footprint
That should be very interesting. Dave - KB1PVH Sent from my Verizon Wireless DROID X On Jan 16, 2011 2:59 PM, Mark L. Hammond marklhamm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Not sure around the world, but lately in the US FO-29 and AO-51 have been experiencing a mutual footprint from time to time. Since the AO-51 145.920 uplink is within the passband of FO-29's transponder, you can often hear AO-51 uplinks coming through FO-29 as an FM signal on the downlink... Anyhow, it's about to occur in about 30 mins, thought I'd mention it... 73, Mark L. Hammond [N8MH] ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 ON !!!
That is really great news! 73, Drew KO4MA Sent from my iPhone On Nov 16, 2010, at 6:53 AM, Mineo Wakita ei7m-...@asahi-net.or.jp wrote: FO-29 turned ON at 07:46UTC, 16 Nov 2010 by the effort of the control station. JE9PEL, Mineo Wakita ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 ON !!!
Hi All, Just read this, check the bird orbit, and swung the antennas. I caught Kerry, WC7V with a booming signal at 2 degrees. Nice to hear this bird again! Thanks to the control team, Rick WA4NVM FO-29 turned ON at 07:46UTC, 16 Nov 2010 by the effort of the control station. JE9PEL, Mineo Wakita ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 ON !!!
Hello, Wakita-san! Thank you for the great news about FO-29 earlier today. It sounded well this afternoon, with many stations working in SSB and CW on a pass around 2343 UTC. 73! Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK - back home in Phoenix AZ http://www.wd9ewk.net/ On 11/16/10, Mineo Wakita ei7m-...@asahi-net.or.jp wrote: FO-29 turned ON at 07:46UTC, 16 Nov 2010 by the effort of the control station. JE9PEL, Mineo Wakita ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 PDF file
Thank you very much. I posted a new article on my HP as follows. http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hamradio/je9pel/fo29esti.htm JE9PEL, Mineo Wakita ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 status?
Hi Drew JARL command team tried to activate the transponder on 10/29 20:20 (UTC) 10/30 07:33(UTC) 10/30 19:18(UTC). So far no reply from her. It is not good news. Hope she will back soon. 73 Yutaka Murata JA1COU (2010/10/31 23:38), Andrew Glasbrenner wrote: I'm really missing FO-29. Do any of our Japanese members have an update as to the situation? 73, Drew KO4MA ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 status now
On Sun, October 24, 2010 04:03, Mineo Wakita wrote: Hi Mineo, The strenuous repair work continues every day by a control station to return in FO-29 transponder. JARL grand station says that the command was not able to transmit even a pass of 18:46 UTC, 23 Oct, so we will try again the transmission of the command with the pass at 20:32 UTC, 23 Oct, and 07:45 UTC, 24 Oct. Thanks for the update, can other amateurs help or give information to the people from the command centre. Maybe telemetry information or signal strength? JE9PEL, Mineo Wakita 73 PE0SAT, Jan ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 Status
The AMSAT web page says that she is operational but I cannot find a schedule. She has been off for about a week, and I haven't seen a clear long term prognosis. I'll add something to the status page today. 73, Drew KO4MA ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29??
JARL says: It seems that the power budget of FO-29 is low. We turned off the analog transmitter(JTA) to confirm it on 8:19 UTC, 14 Oct 2010. We are going to perform the next use as follows. 16 Oct, 20:00 UTC ON, and 18 Oct, 19:55 UTC OFF It does not limit the use of the analog system transponder, but please do uplink with the reasonable power. We may cancel the use depending on the status of the examination use. Please use as low power as necessary on the uplink to complete your communications. JE9PEL, Mineo Wakita ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29??
JARL says: We failed to turn on a transmitter at 20:00 UTC, 16th Oct. We inform it of the future use after 0:30 UTC on 17th. JE9PEL, Mineo Wakita ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29??
Patrick, Just checked it here in Memphis at 2316Z and heard nothing. It doesn't look good for tomorrow morning. 73, Rick WA4NVM Hi! I was looking on http://oscar.dcarr.org/ and noticed that FO-29 has not been reported as active since early (UTC) Thursday. Did something happen to it? If FO-29 is not available tomorrow, that will only have an effect on one pass at the hamfest I'll attend in Tucson AZ. I was hoping to work one pass around 1300 UTC at the hamfest site, to see if a different antenna could overcome the military QRM I encountered trying to work FO-29 at that location a couple of years ago. Later in the day, AO-7 should be back in mode B - and its passes were coming by very close to the predicted times for FO-29. I still don't know exactly where I'll drive tomorrow after that hamfest, and may leave it to the APRS track to show where I'm at in southeastern Arizona (heading to DM51/DM52 if I'm south of I-10, DM52/DM53 if I am north of I-10, or the at Arizona/New Mexico state line in DM52 if I am parked along I-10) at http://aprs.fi/wd9ewk-7 73! Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK http://www.wd9ewk.net/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29?
- Original Message - From: Bob Cutter k...@yahoo.com To: amsat-bb amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 7:52 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] FO-29? Is it operational? 73, Bob KIØG Hi Bob, KI0G FO-29 is alive and well ! 73 de i8CVS Domenico ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29?
Worked it last night. Craig N6RSX -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org]on Behalf Of Bob Cutter Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 10:53 AM To: amsat-bb Subject: [amsat-bb] FO-29? Is it operational? 73, Bob KIØG ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb NOTICE: This communication may contain privileged or other confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this communication to the intended recipient, please advise the sender by reply email and immediately delete the message and any attachments without copying or disclosing the contents. Thank you. ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29? Look at the report page
I did, but the yellow sometimes arrows prompted my inquiry. Sorry. 73, Bob KIØG On May 5, 2010, at 2:58 PM, OZ1MY oz...@privat.dk wrote: Hi Bob, It is always a good idea to look at the report page: http://oscar.dcarr.org It is there to help us :-) 73 OZ1MY Ib - Original Message - From: Bob Cutter k...@yahoo.com To: amsat-bb amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 7:52 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] FO-29? Is it operational? 73, Bob KIØG ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29? Look at the report page
Hi Bob! I did, but the yellow sometimes arrows prompted my inquiry. Sorry. The yellow arrows are part of AMSAT's Satellite Status page: http://www.amsat.org/amsat-new/satellites/status.php The AMSAT page has information posted and updated by the site's webmaster. The OSCAR Satellite Status page by KD5QGR: http://oscar.dcarr.org/ does not use arrows. It uses boxes with numbers showing how many reports have been posted by satellite users for each satellite in a particular two-hour period, and the color in each box indicates what was observed. If you point on those digits in the grid, then you are able to see who posted the reports and details of each report. 73! Patrick WD9EWK/VA7EWK http://www.wd9ewk.net/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29?
I'm on it 2 or 3 times a day myself. Just have to deal with the fading at times on my end... John W6ZKH From: Bob Cutter k...@yahoo.com To: amsat-bb amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 10:52:34 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] FO-29? Is it operational? 73, Bob KIØG ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29?
In fact I think I had my first sat CW contact on it, with John W6ZKH (thanks John) Craig N6RSX -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org]on Behalf Of John Neeley Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 3:30 PM To: Bob Cutter; amsat-bb Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FO-29? I'm on it 2 or 3 times a day myself. Just have to deal with the fading at times on my end... John W6ZKH From: Bob Cutter k...@yahoo.com To: amsat-bb amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 10:52:34 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] FO-29? Is it operational? 73, Bob KIØG ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb NOTICE: This communication may contain privileged or other confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this communication to the intended recipient, please advise the sender by reply email and immediately delete the message and any attachments without copying or disclosing the contents. Thank you. ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29? Look at the report page
I just updated the FO-29 entry to current conditions. The http://oscar.dcarr.org/ page is more up to date most of the time. 73, Drew KO4MA I did, but the yellow sometimes arrows prompted my inquiry. Sorry. ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 Status
Hi .. I made 2 qso yesterday evening… good conditions with 10w Uplink and Yagi 9elm This evening heard CW beacon F0-29 100203-1913utc Europe HI HI 20 02 88 D5 00 84 00 00 09 60 01 01 6B 4A 8C 8A 97 64 94 92 93 94 92 HI HI 20 02 88 D5 00 84 00 00 09 60 01 01 6E 49 92 90 9D 74 95 93 94 94 93 Many Thank for this restarting FO-29 73's Jep. Yutaka Murata a écrit : JARL announced the status of FO-29 on Jan 29th at JARL WEB in Japanese. This is English translation. --- The present conditions (January 29, 2010) of FUJI3 (FO-29) FUJI3(FO-29) has been stopped the continuous operation and moved to planed schedule operation because it can not have enough battery charge current from beginning of November. The command of JTA (an analog transponder) ON has been sent for a confirmation examination from the control station at 11:33 on January 27th(UTC). JH1EKH/1, JR8LWY, VK5HI have reported to us that FO-29 still works . There is a possibility that FO-29 has been working consecutively after we sent transponder ON command on January 27. It is thought that the electricity income and expenditure is improved by the decrease of the shade rate, and the transponder is working continuously. If someone has information of telemetry or other working status related from January 27th 11:30(UTC) to 28th 19:20(UTC), Please send it to JARL technical section. In addition, when FO-29 battery power is lower than setting value, a transmitter becomes OFF automatically by UVC. If you find the transponder is getting off, please send the information of transponder off time and date to JARL technical section. Please use FO-29 without restriction but use proper uplink power. Thanks JARL command team. Yutaka Murata JA1COU n/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 Status
Hi All, I experience the same, great signal during the whole pass. One remark and I don't no if others experience the same. I use SatPC32 and during the begining of the pass I have to correct the uplink freq for about 300hz and at the end it is 0hz again. I am puzzled because FO-29 is the only one I experience this. Somebody any idea? 73 Jan - PE0SAT ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 transponder ON
Hi Mineo, It worked very well at pass with AOS here in Copenhagen 1725 UTC. Thanks to JARL 73 OZ1MY Ib - Original Message - From: Mineo Wakita ei7m-...@asahi-net.or.jp To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 4:52 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] FO-29 transponder ON JARL says: We turned on an analog transponder in 11:22 UTC on January 27. We want to confirm the battery budget by the decrease of the eclipse rate. JE9PEL, Mineo Wakita ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 transponder ON
Many Tks. Beacon OK and heard stn DL of the pass Europe 08:30 UTC On pass 17:30beacon and goods signals my return . Good Modulation. No QSO FT847 9elm - 19elm abt 20w S'73 Jep F6BYJ Mineo Wakita a écrit : JARL says: We turned on an analog transponder in 11:22 UTC on January 27. We want to confirm the battery budget by the decrease of the eclipse rate. JE9PEL, Mineo Wakita ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 transponder ON
Dear Mineo san, battery voltage dropped down from 13.7 to 10.9 volts during the pass. HI HI 20 02 88 D5 00 84 00 00 09 60 01 01 01 81 7F 82 8E 8C 96 99 97 92 97 HI HI 20 02 88 D5 00 84 00 00 09 60 01 01 01 81 7E 82 7D 45 97 99 97 93 97 HI HI 20 02 88 D5 00 84 00 00 09 60 01 01 01 80 7C 81 8C 44 97 99 97 93 97 HI HI 20 02 88 D5 00 84 00 00 09 60 01 01 01 80 7B 80 8B 7A 97 9A 98 93 97 HI HI 20 02 88 D5 00 84 00 00 09 60 01 01 01 7F 79 7F 8A 7B 97 9A 98 93 97 HI HI 20 02 88 D5 00 84 00 00 09 60 01 01 01 80 76 7E 89 86 97 9A 98 94 96 HI HI 20 02 88 D5 00 84 00 00 09 60 01 01 01 81 70 7A 85 83 97 9A 98 94 96 HI HI 20 02 88 D5 00 84 00 00 09 60 01 01 01 80 66 76 81 7A 98 9A 98 95 96 HI HI 20 02 88 D5 00 84 00 00 09 60 01 01 01 80 65 76 81 81 98 9A 98 95 96 73, Mike DK3WN -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] Im Auftrag von Mineo Wakita Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. Januar 2010 16:53 An: amsat-bb@amsat.org Betreff: [amsat-bb] FO-29 transponder ON JARL says: We turned on an analog transponder in 11:22 UTC on January 27. We want to confirm the battery budget by the decrease of the eclipse rate. JE9PEL, Mineo Wakita ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29
Pass over central US was still in operation with several SSB stations on. I was on CW but no contacts. Pass was a 19 deg pass for me, and the 0408 utc pass will be 40 degs so hopefully more West Coast will be on... John W6ZKH - Original Message - From: David - KG4ZLB kg4...@googlemail.com To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 4:53:51 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [amsat-bb] FO-29 So nice to hear FO-29 booming again on this last pass at 00:46, really strong and loud - congrats to the team on getting this one back in shape, very much appreciated! And hi to VE4EMU who obliged me with a contact although I lost you completely after the exchange! A couple of others on as well! -- David KG4ZLB www.kg4zlb.com ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 schedule Jan, Feb.
Hello Mineo Wakita, This evening 22-01-2010 22:56 UTC FO-29 was again loud and clear in JO21 AOS: 22:57 UTC LOS: 23:05 UTC If made a recording from the pass: 2 min beacon and one CQ on the transponder, there where no other amateurs active :( http://www.ham.vgnet.nl/downloads/FO-29-22012010-2256UTC.mp3 73 PE0SAT - Jan ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 schedule Jan, Feb.
- Original Message - From: PE0SAT pe0...@vgnet.nl To: Mineo Wakita ei7m-...@asahi-net.or.jp Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 12:16 AM Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 schedule Jan, Feb. Hello Mineo Wakita, This evening 22-01-2010 22:56 UTC FO-29 was again loud and clear in JO21 AOS: 22:57 UTC LOS: 23:05 UTC If made a recording from the pass: 2 min beacon and one CQ on the transponder, there where no other amateurs active :( http://www.ham.vgnet.nl/downloads/FO-29-22012010-2256UTC.mp3 73 PE0SAT - Jan Hi Jan, PE0SAT Probably there where no other amateurs active because VO-52 was in range at the same time and when I tryed at the end of his pass to switch from VO-52 into FO-29 it was about at LOS.too late for me ! By the way the beacon seems to be nominal particularly when you switched ON the narrow CW filter and also your SSB signal considering that only one user was in the passband was very good and readable. See you on FO-29 the next opportunity 73 de i8CVS Domenico ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 schedule Jan, Feb.
On Sat, January 16, 2010 12:41, Mineo Wakita wrote: Hello Mineo Wakita Thanks for all the information regarding FO-29 If the TX will be switched on at 2100 UTC on Jan 16, then it will be switched off by UVC at 21:24 UTC due entering the eclipse. It didn't switch off :) in JO21ho the pass began on 22:26 CEST (21:26 UTC) and the old lady was loud and clear during the entire pass. Here is a recording from that pass: http://www.ham.vgnet.nl/downloads/FO-29-16012010-2226CEST.mp3 The first 2 minutes there is Beacon CW information and after that a QSO I had with ON5NY. 73 Jan - PE0SAT ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 schedule Jan, Feb.
I think so Drew KO4MA says like that. And I think the transponder turn on for a while after having passed over Japan. But I don't understand till when the state continues. Please do the reasonable uplink power. JE9PEL Mineo Wakita ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 schedule Jan, Feb.
As I understand it from Mineo's postings, when the battery voltage on FO-29 hits a certain set point the satellite turns off. By design it should turn back on when the voltage recovers, but that part is malfunctioning. This makes it impossible to accurately determine how long the transponder will stay on, because it is dependent on use as well as other parameters. For those that remember FO-20's last months of operation, the transponder would often be on until someone used too much power on the uplink, or there were too many users and it would then shut off. Later as the voltage recovered it would turn back on. At the end it was only operational while illuminated. I think FO-29 is behaving the same way, except it requires command intervention to turn back on. Is this essentially correct Mineo? 73, Drew KO4MA ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 Schedule
FO-29 should come out of the eclipse soon. JARL still are making an effort hard the examination use. A operating schedule will be announced soon. JE9PEL, Mineo Wakita ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 Schedule
Mineo, is there any update on the status of FO-29? I think there was an expectation that FO-29 would emerge from eclipse induced coma sometime this month. Is there still reason to be hopeful? David K6CDW -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Mineo Wakita Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 4:33 PM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] FO-29 Schedule Examination use is performed late this week only over Japan. UTC 20 Nov. 22:23 - 22:30 Command test 21 Nov. 21:28 - 21:35 Command test 22 Nov. 22:17 - 22:27 Analog operation JE9PEL, Mineo Wakita ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Jerry Felts nr5aje...@gmail.com wrote: Is FO-29 active?? I can't tell from AMSAT'S webpage. To find out information like this, you're much better off consulting the chart at http://oscar.dcarr.org/ You should also feel free to upload information to that page, since we all benefit from its timeliness. 73, Bruce VE9QRP ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 Operation
This is probably the most important email about FO-29. I've high lighted and underlined the most important parts of the message. I looks like FO-29 will not be in full operation until the first part of 2010. At this moment it is only commanded on over Japan as noted in the schedule. With the issue of the batteries, it seems JAMSAT would consider similiar operations as it is now doing when FO-29 enters long periods of darkness in the future. This would possibly allow a longer life for this great bird. Thanks to JE9PEL for this important infornation. Mike (K9QHO) AMSAT 33589 --- On Wed, 9/9/09, WILLIAMS MICHAEL k9qho6...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: WILLIAMS MICHAEL k9qho6...@sbcglobal.net Subject: FO-29 Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 11:06 PM Start of FO-29 article:- FO-29 status in 2009 FO-29 launched in August 1996 and has been working 14 years. FO-29 is planning to operate the consecutive use with the analog transponder until the end of August 2009, but it was confirmed that a transponder stopped on August 25. In the later pass, the transponder operation is confirmed when we sent a command of transponder ON from the control station, but we stopped transponder temporarily now. We had the a similar symptom of stopping the transponder in the spring of 2007 . FO-29 is in the high shade rate period now. Both of the transponder stop in the spring of 2007 and this time are thought that by this high shade rate and by the rise of the internal resistance of the deterioration of the battery and by the influence of the temperature of the battery. The power control system FO-29 (PCU) watches a terminal voltage of the battery and turns off the power supply of the transmitter automatically if it becomes less than the setting voltage. In addition, When FO-29 enters the sunshine area and it recovers to the setting voltage by sun battery power, it is designed to turn on a transmitter automatically. However malfunction occurred for this function in 2007. Because of transmitter was not turned on automatically, We made an operation schedule plan from the summer of 2007 and managed 1-2 times on in a day. This management operation worked well. The electricity income and expenditure restored or it was cured spontaneously.The transponder has been worked without control command from control station from summer of 2008. The power supply circumstances of current FO-29 is almost same situation as stop period spring of 2007, scheduled operation period, the consecutively operative period from the summer of 2008 and it is in a high shade rate. This transponder off is supposed to be a similar situation as when transponder stopped in the spring of 2007. ***From this , We decided that we make the operation schedule plan, and manage the limit of the operative number of times in one day like last time to keep the electricity income and expenditure untill improve the shade rate which is in January, 2010. --- Thanks control team JA1COU Yutaka Murata Message: 7 Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 20:25:03 +0900 From: Mineo Wakita ei7m-...@asahi-net.or.jp Subject: [amsat-bb] FO-29 schedule Sep. and Oct. To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Message-ID: 10ca3077029eecei7m-...@asahi-net.or.jp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii FO-29 still has some trouble. Therefore it is examination use for a while only over Japan. We do not yet understand when it recover. There are the reception report from South America and Europe. You may listen to CW with luck over your area. Control station says that you may be listen in Australia, South America, North America, and Europe in particular. Control station says more as follows. The transmitter becomes OFF by UVC automatically in the eclipse. The station confirmed the moment when the transmitter became OFF please inform it of the date and time at the following address. lab (at) jarl.or.jp The below * is a predicted pass that command work take time. And please consent to be a possibility that we cannot turn ON the transponder by the state of the line. - September, UTC 11 21:37 12 12:21*, 22:26 13 11:30 14 22:23 15 None 16 12:15*, 22:20 17 None 18 12:03*, 22:15 19 11:15, 21:20 20 12:05* 21 12:55*, 22:58 22 10:10, 22:10 23 12:50 24 None 25 10:58, 22:50 26 11:50*, 21:55 27 12:36* 28 21:50 29 12:35*, 22:45 30 11:40*, 21:45 October, UTC 1 12:30*, 22:35 2 11:35, 21:45 3 12:25, 22:28 4 11:28 5 22:25 6 13:08, 21:33 7 12:10, 22:23 8 13:05, 21:35 9 None 10 11:12, 23:08 11 12:05*, 22:12 12 11:08 13 None - JE9PEL, Mineo Wakita -- ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 Operation
I don't see anything highlighted or underlined! WILLIAMS MICHAEL wrote: This is probably the most important email about FO-29. I've high lighted and underlined the most important parts of the message. I looks like FO-29 will not be in full operation until the first part of 2010. At this moment it is only commanded on over Japan as noted in the schedule. With the issue of the batteries, it seems JAMSAT would consider similiar operations as it is now doing when FO-29 enters long periods of darkness in the future. This would possibly allow a longer life for this great bird. Thanks to JE9PEL for this important infornation. Mike (K9QHO) AMSAT 33589 --- On Wed, 9/9/09, WILLIAMS MICHAEL k9qho6...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: WILLIAMS MICHAEL k9qho6...@sbcglobal.net Subject: FO-29 Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 11:06 PM Start of FO-29 article:- FO-29 status in 2009 FO-29 launched in August 1996 and has been working 14 years. FO-29 is planning to operate the consecutive use with the analog transponder until the end of August 2009, but it was confirmed that a transponder stopped on August 25. In the later pass, the transponder operation is confirmed when we sent a command of transponder ON from the control station, but we stopped transponder temporarily now. We had the a similar symptom of stopping the transponder in the spring of 2007 . FO-29 is in the high shade rate period now. Both of the transponder stop in the spring of 2007 and this time are thought that by this high shade rate and by the rise of the internal resistance of the deterioration of the battery and by the influence of the temperature of the battery. The power control system FO-29 (PCU) watches a terminal voltage of the battery and turns off the power supply of the transmitter automatically if it becomes less than the setting voltage. In addition, When FO-29 enters the sunshine area and it recovers to the setting voltage by sun battery power, it is designed to turn on a transmitter automatically. However malfunction occurred for this function in 2007. Because of transmitter was not turned on automatically, We made an operation schedule plan from the summer of 2007 and managed 1-2 times on in a day. This management operation worked well. The electricity income and expenditure restored or it was cured spontaneously.The transponder has been worked without control command from control station from summer of 2008. The power supply circumstances of current FO-29 is almost same situation as stop period spring of 2007, scheduled operation period, the consecutively operative period from the summer of 2008 and it is in a high shade rate. This transponder off is supposed to be a similar situation as when transponder stopped in the spring of 2007. ***From this , We decided that we make the operation schedule plan, and manage the limit of the operative number of times in one day like last time to keep the electricity income and expenditure untill improve the shade rate which is in January, 2010. --- Thanks control team JA1COU Yutaka Murata Message: 7 Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 20:25:03 +0900 From: Mineo Wakita ei7m-...@asahi-net.or.jp Subject: [amsat-bb] FO-29 schedule Sep. and Oct. To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Message-ID: 10ca3077029eecei7m-...@asahi-net.or.jp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii FO-29 still has some trouble. Therefore it is examination use for a while only over Japan. We do not yet understand when it recover. There are the reception report from South America and Europe. You may listen to CW with luck over your area. Control station says that you may be listen in Australia, South America, North America, and Europe in particular. Control station says more as follows. The transmitter becomes OFF by UVC automatically in the eclipse. The station confirmed the moment when the transmitter became OFF please inform it of the date and time at the following address. lab (at) jarl.or.jp The below * is a predicted pass that command work take time. And please consent to be a possibility that we cannot turn ON the transponder by the state of the line. - September, UTC 11 21:37 12 12:21*, 22:26 13 11:30 14 22:23 15 None 16 12:15*, 22:20 17 None 18 12:03*, 22:15 19 11:15, 21:20 20 12:05* 21 12:55*, 22:58 22 10:10, 22:10 23 12:50 24 None 25 10:58, 22:50 26 11:50*, 21:55 27 12:36* 28 21:50 29 12:35*, 22:45 30 11:40*, 21:45 October, UTC 1 12:30*, 22:35 2 11:35, 21:45 3 12:25, 22:28 4 11:28 5 22:25 6 13:08, 21:33 7 12:10, 22:23 8 13:05, 21:35 9 None 10 11:12, 23:08 11 12:05*, 22:12 12 11:08 13 None - JE9PEL, Mineo Wakita --
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29
I also would like to know. I have not heard it for a while... 73, ON4HF, Eric Knaps Waterstraat 30 B-3980 Tessenderlo Belgium Tel. +32472985876 (mobile) http://www.on4hf.be Vincenzo Mone schreef: Hello, I would like to know if the FO-29 is working or not. Thanks 73 de Enzo IK8OZV EasyLog 5 BetaTester EasyLog PDA BetaTester WinBollet BetaTester D.C.I. CheckPoint Regione Campania Skype: ik8ozv8520 *** *GSM +39 338 9749786 * *SMS +39 338 9749786 * *FAX +39 328 7244294 * ***2nd e-mail: vim...@tin.it*** *** ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29
On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Eric Knaps eric.kn...@telenet.be wrote: I also would like to know. I have not heard it for a while... 73, ON4HF, Eric Knaps Waterstraat 30 B-3980 Tessenderlo Belgium You'll find the site http://oscar.dcarr.org/ to be very helpful for these sorts of questions. It seems that the last reported signals heard were on the 25th. I guess that means they're still working on reconfiguring it. You can add your observations to David's website, too, just by filling in the form. 73, Bruce VE9QRP Tel. +32472985876 (mobile) http://www.on4hf.be Vincenzo Mone schreef: Hello, I would like to know if the FO-29 is working or not. Thanks 73 de Enzo IK8OZV EasyLog 5 BetaTester EasyLog PDA BetaTester WinBollet BetaTester D.C.I. CheckPoint Regione Campania Skype: ik8ozv8520 *** * GSM +39 338 9749786 * * SMS +39 338 9749786 * * FAX +39 328 7244294 * *** 2nd e-mail: vim...@tin.it *** *** ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 schedule
Hi Mineo, Why only over Japan ? 73 de i8CVS Domenico - Original Message - From: Mineo Wakita ei7m-...@asahi-net.or.jp To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 4:58 PM Subject: [amsat-bb] FO-29 schedule 4 Sep 22:45UTC 5 Sep 21:50UTC JE9PEL, Mineo Wakita ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 schedule
FO-29 still has some trouble. Therefore it is examination use for a while only over Japan. We do not yet understand when it restore. But there are the reception report from South America and Europe. You may listen to CW with luck over your area. JE9PEL, Mineo Wakita ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 Still Silent
On Thu, August 27, 2009 06:20, David Wing wrote: Hi David and others, Anyone have any word on what's up with FO-29 ? Nothing heard on the 27-Aug 21:00 UTC Europe pass No, nothing just like the signals from FO-29 :)) I have no idea if there is a groundstation for FO-29 and how to contact them? Would be nice if we can some how find out what the status is. 73's PE0SAT - Jan -- With regards PE0SAT Internet web-page http://www.VGNet.NL/ Internet e-mail address JanVG[at]VGNet.NL Niet Zwammen maar doen .. ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 examination operation
On Thu, August 27, 2009 09:41, Mineo Wakita wrote: Hi Mineo, FO-29 doubles with a receiver for communication without being equipped with the receiver for exclusive use of the command. When many stations do uplink during command work, please understand it because it takes many time when we turn on the transponder. Is there a place where amateurs can have a look at what the status is of the planned actions? And maybe offer there help, the last year this has been done a couple of times with for example COMPASS-1. JE9PEL, Mineo Wakita PE0SAT, Jan van Gils -- With regards PE0SAT Internet web-page http://www.ham.vgnet.nl/ ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 examination operation
Hi, you wrote: Is there a place where amateurs can have a look at what the status is of the planned actions? Sorry, this examination of FO-29 operate only over Japan. I will announce it again if this examination for restoration succeeds. JE9PEL, Mineo Wakita ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 Heard...sort of
Nevermind...when I rolled up power I was just blasting my front end. Did this test again while FO-29 was on the other side of the earth and got the same results so, like I said, nevermind ;( -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of David Wing Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 9:28 PM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] FO-29 Heard...sort of So, after dismal results on the FO-29 passes this morning and reading other reports of the bird not being heard, I jumped on the 0409 UTC North American pass this evening to try a few things. I found that I could hear my self whistling but it was very distorted and fairly low audio. I had to turn up to 50W to hear things although at apogee (41 degree) was able to just barely hear a distorted whistle when I was pushing 10W. At apogee and 50W I *might* have been hearing myself do a 1-2 count repeatedly but I'm not sure.whistling definitely was coming through but was distorted and raspy (like a torn speaker) Anyway, not sure if this info is helpful or not but wanted to report it. 73 David K6CDW ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 and VO-52
On 4 Aug 2009 at 16:14, John Papay wrote: Some General Guidelines to Working the Birds with Omni Antennas: (My opinion for what it's worth; others may disagree.) A lot of people are using omni antennas. Some use preamps and some do not. The important thing to remember when using omni antennas is that you will be getting into the bird much better than you can hear it, if you can hear it at all. A preamp will really help. With marginal receiving set up on SSB transponder sat there is a tendency to often use a lot of power to be able to hear their downlink signal. It's often the case on CW as it is a more effective mode it is not unusual to see the passband signals moving at the CW speed high power station. I try to answer back a station on FO-29 using about 5W (O power setting on the Yaesu 847) the station who was calling CQ in SSB never get back to me until i increased my TX power to 50W on a 14 element cross yagi and he gave me a 55 report with a weak signal comment... I was receiving his signal near S9 here... Another way to evaluate your receiving system is to be able to copy the satellite beacon. If you hear your downlink and not the beacon it is an indication that you could be using too much power on the uplink A transponder satellite is a kind of sharing system a lot stations can use it at the same time providing they all use the lowest power. It takes only one station to scap the whole passband signals. I personally contact the offending station to advised him about the facts some times it works but there is still some who seems to never cares as i always see them returning to their high power habits. On AO-40 LEILA was there to watch the offenders it was not perfect but it helps controlling the uplink powers. I try to find out my old recording of the LEILA siren but i only found the beacon signal if someone still has a recording on his web page just let us know it will at least makes us remember the HEO era. - Luc Leblanc VE2DWE Skype VE2DWE www.qsl.net/ve2dwe WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 and VO-52
Hi Luc and all, I often listen to RS-22 and RS-30, and I can copy them as high as 1 or 2 degres with my setup. Iwas amazed the first time that I can copy beacon at a lower elevation like this. I don't know much about RS-22 and RS-30 beacon, but I use it as my reference for receiving. I did my best that I can afford the moment in my setup. heliax 0.5, AR² preamps at the top... and only 2 FT-817 at the bottom. Be sure that I read all guidelines that people post. I know how important ham must follow good technique and habit for proper operation up there !! :-) I'm still experimenting SSB calibration when using 2 half duplex controled radio It is a little bit tricky, but I will survive !! :-) I'm using CW for testing and calibrating using my headphone with a VHF TX CW sidetone in one ear and my UHF RX CW sidetone is another hear... I'm trying to zero beat as close as possible to know how much I must compensate between the rig. CW is less harmfull when doing this experiment and at 5W MAX only. I'm already thinking for my next generation setup... when I will use beam and rotor... and a real full duplex satellite rig... ;-) 73 2009/8/5 Luc Leblanc luclebla...@videotron.ca: On 4 Aug 2009 at 16:14, John Papay wrote: Another way to evaluate your receiving system is to be able to copy the satellite beacon. If you hear your downlink and not the beacon it is an indication that you could be using too much power on the uplink -- Jean-François Ménard VA2SS =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= AMSAT www.amsat.org / Member #37102 ARRL www.arrl.org =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 and VO-52
Jean-Francois, You are not asking too much. I have operated on ALL of the CW/SSB satellites using two FT-817NDs and SatPC 32. However, I also use a directional -albeit small - antenna. Specifically, I use the Elk 2M/440L5 dual-band log periodic. But, I do not have the antenna mounted outside. My shack, such as it is, is on the second floor of my home. I routinely operate on all of the CW/SSB satellites by hand-holding the Elk inside my home and manually tracking the satellites. In your case, with the eggbeaters, I will suggest that you should expect consistent operations using two FT-817NDs only at higher (my rough guess is 20 degrees elevation or higher) of the two satellites. You likely will be more effecitve on VO-52 because it performs so well. One evening here, when I was troubleshooting an issue with my station, I was able to hear myself on the VO-52 downlink with a strong and clear signal - and I had mounted to Yaesu duck antenna to my FT-817ND transmit radio! VO-52 will prove to be fun for you, I believe. FO-29 also will be fun, but your station may not prove quite so effective on it. My best suggestion is to try! I believe you will be very pleasantly surprised. FYI - when it is in Mode B, you also should be able to work Grand Old AO-7. My experience with my handheld Elk antenna, operating totally indoors, is that I need roughly 20 degree of elevation with 5 watts out to hear myself on the AO-7 downlink. You may need slightly higher elevation. I hope this is helpful, and I hope to hear you on these satellite very soon! 73, Tim - N3TL Athens, Ga., USA - EM84ha -- Original message from Jean-François Ménard jf.va...@gmail.com: -- Hi, I would like to know if I'm dreaming, but will it be possible for me to use these two satellites with my pair of FT-817 running on SatPC32?? Am I asking too much for my 5W only radios ?? I'm using 2 Eggbeater antenna from M²... EB-144 and EB432 with AR² preamps on both antennas feed with heliax. 73 -- Jean-François Ménard VA2SS =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= AMSAT www.amsat.org / Member #37102 ARRL www.arrl.org =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 and VO-52
Hello Jean-Francois, I have worked VO-52 with omni antennas and an FT-817 on SSB with no problem at all. FO-29 should work too as long as there are no high-power stations pumping the satellite AGC. 73, Tony AA2TX --- - Original Message - From: Jean-François Ménard jf.va...@gmail.com To: AMSAT-BB@amsat.org Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 8:53:17 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [amsat-bb] FO-29 and VO-52 Hi, I would like to know if I'm dreaming, but will it be possible for me to use these two satellites with my pair of FT-817 running on SatPC32?? Am I asking too much for my 5W only radios ?? I'm using 2 Eggbeater antenna from M²... EB-144 and EB432 with AR² preamps on both antennas feed with heliax. 73 -- Jean-François Ménard VA2SS =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= AMSAT www.amsat.org / Member #37102 ARRL www.arrl.org =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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To add my comments, I also used the Eggbeaters for 2 years before upgrading to small beams on an azimuth only rotor. I did see some loss of signal mid-pass on FO-29, but otherwise anything over 10 degrees at my location was usable on the linear sats. While I have an IC-910, typically its running low power on SSB and CW. Given the lack of activity on the linears sats, you shouldn't have any trouble hitting them with your gear. Joe KC8RAN On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 8:53 AM , Jean-François Ménard wrote: Hi, I would like to know if I'm dreaming, but will it be possible for me to use these two satellites with my pair of FT-817 running on SatPC32?? Am I asking too much for my 5W only radios ?? I'm using 2 Eggbeater antenna from M²... EB-144 and EB432 with AR² preamps on both antennas feed with heliax. 73 -- Jean-François Ménard VA2SS =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= AMSAT www.amsat.org / Member #37102 ARRL www.arrl.org =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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Hi everybody, I finally did my first SSB bird this morning using VO-52. The winner is NL7VX Steven. The experience was incredible !! Using SSB sat is a little bit tricker for beginner. but FUN!! I will try as soon as a pass will be enough high for me And I will also keep learning how to tweak everything around me in my shack !! Best 73 !! J-FVA2SS P.S. VA2SS SS stands for SAT SAT!! Hi Hi !! 2009/8/4 Rocky Jones orbit...@hotmail.com: Jean. My experience is that you will do just fine. I have used a Lindenblad and crossed dipoles (see the QST stories) for quite a bit as secondary/field day antennas ...and now that we have a country place outside of Houston am setting them up here as first of antennas...they work great on most if not all of the low orbit satellites. I even do fairly well on AO 7. The M2 are good antennas so you shouldnt have any problems. I would be interested to hear about your results take care and good luck Robert WB5MZO Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 08:53:17 -0400 From: jf.va...@gmail.com To: AMSAT-BB@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] FO-29 and VO-52 Hi, I would like to know if I'm dreaming, but will it be possible for me to use these two satellites with my pair of FT-817 running on SatPC32?? Am I asking too much for my 5W only radios ?? I'm using 2 Eggbeater antenna from M²... EB-144 and EB432 with AR² preamps on both antennas feed with heliax. 73 -- Jean-François Ménard VA2SS =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= AMSAT www.amsat.org / Member #37102 ARRL www.arrl.org =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail®. Try it now. -- Jean-François Ménard VA2SS =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= AMSAT www.amsat.org / Member #37102 ARRL www.arrl.org =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 and VO-52
Some General Guidelines to Working the Birds with Omni Antennas: (My opinion for what it's worth; others may disagree.) A lot of people are using omni antennas. Some use preamps and some do not. The important thing to remember when using omni antennas is that you will be getting into the bird much better than you can hear it, if you can hear it at all. A preamp will really help. If you have a full duplex radio and can't hear yourself on the ssb downlink, there's a problem. If you can hear others, try calling them and see if you can make a contact. Don't call CQ if you can't hear yourself. You may be calling on top of a qso and if you are not doppler controlled, you will likely drift into a qso and cause interference. If you hear others on the bird, try to find yourself and determine your offset. Setting your uplink and downlink manually is challenging but not impossible. Use a program like SatPC32 to help you determine what tx frequency corresponds to the receive frequency. Ultimately, use the program to control your radio. Once you calibrate your uplink to your downlink, you will make more qso's. Make sure your computer clock is set to a few seconds of the correct time and your keps are current. If these are not set, you will not have the proper doppler control, especially when the bird is overhead and the frequency is changing rapidly. If you can only manage to change one of the frequencies, change the one that is higher (e.g. tx (UHF) on VO-52 and rx (UHF) on FO-29). The UHF frequency changes much faster than the VHF frequency. On the FM birds, don't announce yourself unless you are full duplex, can hear yourself and there is little or no activity on the bird. Wait until you can hear other stations and then call someone you can copy. They will likely come back to you. Once you make a qso, others will call you so pay attention. If you are in an inactive grid, expect a pileup. Use a recorder so you don't have to write anything down. Don't disappear after your initial qso. Stay with it as long as you can hear. You will make more qso's. There is always activity on any daylight pass of AO27 and AO51. If you don't hear anyone, you are likely not hearing the satellite. As the bird comes over the horizon, adjust your fm rx frequency 10 KHz higher than the published center frequency. As the bird moves toward you, lower the frequency in 5 KHz steps. The bird should be on the center frequency when overhead and then -5KHz as it moves away and then -10KHz as it gets closer to the horizon. No computer control is necessary on the FM birds. When the audio sounds a little distorted, it's time to change the frequency. Use your ears; a computer is not necessary. It is not necessary to change your uplink (145 MHz) tx frequency. Working the birds with omni antennas is challenging. As long as you know your limitations and operate accordingly, you will be fine. But don't expect to be able to hear very well. If omni antennas worked that well, everyone would be using them, and there would be a lot more than 21 stations that have 350 or more grids confirmed on satellite VUCC. John K8YSE -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 13:41:27 + (UTC) From: aa...@comcast.net Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 and VO-52 To: Jean-Fran?ois M?nard jf.va...@gmail.com Cc: AMSAT-BB@amsat.org Message-ID: 87800968.8532491249393287738.javamail.r...@sz0024a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hello Jean-Francois, I have worked VO-52 with omni antennas and an FT-817 on SSB with no problem at all. FO-29 should work?too as long as there are no high-power stations pumping the satellite AGC. 73, Tony AA2TX --- - Original Message - From: Jean-Fran?ois M?nard jf.va...@gmail.com To: AMSAT-BB@amsat.org Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 8:53:17 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [amsat-bb] ?FO-29 and VO-52 Hi, I would like to know if I'm dreaming, but will it be possible for me to use these two satellites with my pair of FT-817 running on SatPC32?? Am I asking too much for my 5W only radios ?? I'm using 2 Eggbeater antenna from M?... EB-144 and EB432 with AR? preamps on both antennas feed with heliax. 73 -- Jean-Fran?ois M?nard VA2SS =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= AMSAT www.amsat.org / Member #37102 ARRL ?www.arrl.org =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 and VO-52
Jan, I and a regular group of operators in the western US are regularly on V0-52, FO-29 and AO-7, down to very low elevations. But I would ask the same question as you. I have a fairly good signal into these sats and have never even heard any stations outside of Canada, US or Mexico. That is frustrating when you look at what the footprint of these sats can hit. 73s Craig N6RSX -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org]on Behalf Of PE0SAT Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 3:41 PM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] FO-29 and VO-52 Hi, Thanks for reading I have a burning Question? Why is there so little activity on VO-52 and FO-29? These are the birds that make it possible to make QSO's from Europe to the States and other continents. During the pass from July 27 2009 10:34 UTC, nothing not a single soul :( Yesterday around the same time, again nothing ... Is there no interrest in these birds, they're strong and have a proper footprint. 73's Jan - PE0SAT ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb NOTICE: This communication may contain privileged or other confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this communication to the intended recipient, please advise the sender by reply email and immediately delete the message and any attachments without copying or disclosing the contents. Thank you. ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
[amsat-bb] Re: FO-29 and VO-52
On Tue, July 28, 2009 18:53, D. Craig Fox wrote: Jan, Hi Craig, I was a lucky this morning 10:48 UTC I worked K9HF, it was short but it is in the Log :)) via AO-7 I and a regular group of operators in the western US are regularly on V0-52, FO-29 and AO-7, down to very low elevations. But I would ask the same question as you. I have a fairly good signal into these sats and have never even heard any stations outside of Canada, US or Mexico. That is frustrating when you look at what the footprint of these sats can hit. Perhaps it is an idea to make appointments with date and time. I've tried to use the dx-cluster, but that was also unsuccessful. Maybe the use of a website that will help the Sat operators in making apointments for QSO's with other continents. Combine SAT data with a Calendar function ? 73s Craig N6RSX 73's PE0SAT - Jan ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
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$$$ for most, well for me i have had 2 contacts on vo-52 it is the matter of cost for a second radio or some thing that will track up/dwn links auto, i run satpc32 but only with a ft-857d half duplex and manual rortor control, very soon i will get a different ssb radio for the down link and auto rotor control as i have figured out that is best for me, my $0.50 Rodney kc0zhf ___ Sent via amsat...@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
